From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 07:13:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64628 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2007 15:13:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2007 15:13:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.142) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2007 15:13:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2007 15:13:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2007 15:13:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2007 15:13:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:13:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sky's the limit at the Funderland rollercoaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Zqh5zxWJkqlb2zMTtyFkudz8uJZyCzKtkbmXfq4kAm-KBLk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 18 2007 The Independent Ireland http://www.independent.ie/national-news/skys-the-limit-at-the-funderland-ro= llercoaster-1249497.html By Colin Bartley DUBLIN, IRELAND -- The wheels are in motion for the launch of the country's biggest ever rollercoaster on St Stephen's Day. The 2,000ft ride is the centrepiece at this year's Funderland amusement park at Dublin's RDS. Passengers will rise to a maximum height of 85ft before plummeting back towards earth at 50mph. It contains a full 360 degree loop and has come all the way from Italy for its Irish outing. The coaster, designed by German rollercoaster engineer Anton Schwarzkopf, is being constructed on the site at present, as our picture by Steve Humphreys shows. John McGee of Funderland said: "It's a huge new rollercoaster and the biggest machine of its kind ever in . She's a looping rollercoaster, formidable!" ------------- =A9independent.ie From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Dec 27 07:14:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80416 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2007 15:14:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2007 15:14:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2007 15:14:13 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c24so2259464rvf.37 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.89.13 with SMTP id r13mr4093119rvl.177.1198768453505; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.88.17 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:14:13 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Big One rollercoaster set for makeover? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=W91mBpRvJbHdIf04Hov_nb3H61-9XbaYHROhObsjgblux2FJrVVuJE8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > And Blackpool > Pleasure Beach is ready get on board with plans to rebrand The Big One > in red, white and blue. Uh...isn't the Big One already red, white, and blue? :) -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Dec 27 07:17:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30007 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2007 15:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2007 15:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2007 15:17:03 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so2157835uge.39 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:17:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.239.2 with SMTP id m2mr6687206ugh.26.1198768622443; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:17:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.245.17 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:17:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0712270717r502fc26qa2eb3a1cd2ee1733@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:17:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Miniclip Game - Rollercoaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Kcik7sUnQyfP-LZRAy9TygfC43p4RjGFfHPu7esbfj445SA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I downloaded a game very similar to this to my cell phone, but instead of the animated backgrounds and full trains, it was just a single mine cart traveling along a single line. Most dissapointing game I've ever played. This version, with a full train, was much more fun. Thanks Mike On 12/27/07, Alan wrote: > > Okay, I've come across another little online rollercoaster game. > http://www.miniclip.com/games/rollercoaster/en/ > > It's very simple, but very fun - and for you game-phobic people, there > are only 2 buttons to control the game <- slower, and -> faster. > > -Alan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 07:17:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51815 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2007 15:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2007 15:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2007 15:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2007 15:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2007 15:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2007 15:17:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:17:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Big One rollercoaster set for makeover? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QOI5elDoBYVIajg4LZrQVzBYU6YykAjwvvLoy1evpL8-4zk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 No, it's Blue, Red & White ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > Uh...isn't the Big One already red, white, and blue? :) >=20 > -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 15:32:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64127 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2007 23:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2007 23:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2007 23:32:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29397 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2007 23:32:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0cCmN8cVM1lMtMW53OoyiSWnZ7fRrmpKp6Y_9CLDhyg.strwvP7txr1irowJpjTeGTUz_58_s23e5aA1iRNAGuN1ZkBY7OAaHYSTm7AXyOYmNFwjyA-- X-Received: from [71.127.3.107] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:32:11 PST Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:32:11 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1198743400.2787.54007.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <795268.29385.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: Design a Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=RfkouvNT9suRW-OXLRMRr1RNVDjhQBynuOafHChw_geWTdaiqiKR X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd seen the "Funderstanding" site before. It is fun. The other site is odd, though. I got this warning on the silly model I designed: "Your coaster will follow the curve of a projectile, leave the track and become airborne part way down" I guess the site's creators don't know much about real coasters. Or else I'm designing a side-friction looper.... Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 16:50:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60153 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 00:50:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 00:50:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 00:50:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 00:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 00:50:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:50:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Big One rollercoaster set for makeover? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=JQwz-ymxgzurD4VHOS8TUQrSj80SdwREnFEu06qcugdc1HlKVx4e X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 will form part of the resort's showcase extravaganza culminating in > the re-dedication of the refurbished Promenade cenotaph.=20 Many people have told me over the years that I sound like I have a=20=20 British accent. Since I've never been out of the USA except to Canada=20 as a 5-6 year old, my theory is that I picked up vocal inflections from=20 listening to(and "singing" along to) so much British music in the=20 80's..Joe Jackson, Police, Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks, etc....but all that=20 notwithstanding, I haven't a bloody notion of what the word "cenotaph"=20 means. I could look it up, but it would mean more if someone on this=20 forum could shed some light..whatever it is, it is in an amusement=20 park, after all.=20=20=20 Mike From paul.beesley@mac.com Fri Dec 28 00:13:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: paul.beesley@mac.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74785 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 08:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 08:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.66) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 08:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from webmail008 (webmail008-s [10.13.128.8]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout003/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id lBS8DWJF025883; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:13:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:13:32 -0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: in-reply-to: references: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received: from [unknown] from webmail.mac.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:13:32 -0800 X-Received: from [ 204.110.170.5] from webmail.mac.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:13:32 -0800 X-Originating-IP: 17.148.16.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Paul Beesley Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Big One rollercoaster set for makeover? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=329007503; y=kOw9KhV4bT9GpgDoisiVgtjT6uc46EVjT-9wgnn4qb8oItVVag X-Yahoo-Profile: ridemadcom Hi Mike, The Cenotaph is a war memorial on the promenade at Blackpool. Its about a mile from the pleasure beach. It's used to remember those who died in the various wars, each year people lay flowers and poppys on this to remember the dead. I found a picture on flickr of the Cenotaph. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14302637@N08/2135687482/ hope this help Paul On Friday, December 28, 2007, at 12:50AM, "Mike Gallagher" wrote: >will form part of the resort's showcase extravaganza culminating in >> the re-dedication of the refurbished Promenade cenotaph. > >Many people have told me over the years that I sound like I have a >British accent. Since I've never been out of the USA except to Canada >as a 5-6 year old, my theory is that I picked up vocal inflections from >listening to(and "singing" along to) so much British music in the >80's..Joe Jackson, Police, Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks, etc....but all that >notwithstanding, I haven't a bloody notion of what the word "cenotaph" >means. I could look it up, but it would mean more if someone on this >forum could shed some light..whatever it is, it is in an amusement >park, after all. > >Mike > > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 05:18:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77023 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 13:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 13:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 13:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 13:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 13:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 13:18:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:18:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Big One rollercoaster set for makeover? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=0hDehlgEmE_VDC1H-gDXbOA9Y3y5ZBPP5wRu7zUngohNz0qGe6tn X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Paul Beesley=20 wrote: > > Hi Mike, > The Cenotaph is a war memorial on the promenade at Blackpool. Its=20 about a mile from the pleasure beach. It's used to remember those who=20 died in the various wars, each year people lay flowers and poppys on=20 this to remember the dead. >=20 > I found a picture on flickr of the Cenotaph. >=20 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/14302637@N08/2135687482/ >=20 > hope this help > Paul=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Paul! From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Dec 28 06:25:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35629 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 14:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 14:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 14:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 14:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 14:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 14:25:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:25:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.119.231.37 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Ghost Town? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=s8Wr9CLsCBnRQNDretb2ArHmUfKTnz104P4g6-hpEjAEtY5TVBrotr4M5g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 hey, so we are up here in Maggie Valley, NC. as we are driving around i see=20 that unfortunately Ghost Town in the Sky is closed. I havent been=20 there since i was a little kid, and dont remember much. The sight of=20 the coaster on the side of the mountain is awesome though. Anyone=20 ever ridden it? How is it? from the ground it doesnt look like it does=20 much. id hesitate to call it a kiddie coaster given its location=20 though.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Dec 28 06:50:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50074 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 14:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 14:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.191) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 14:50:14 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so2604396rvb.53 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:50:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr4784233rvi.161.1198853414485; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:50:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.88.17 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:50:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:50:14 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Ghost Town? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KFKMQvIzFIw2Sz1Haqzx1owXGcZ5Qgbk8sTjN7wxoCsup3QFCnUE6Gg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > so we are up here in Maggie Valley, NC. as we are driving around i see > that unfortunately Ghost Town in the Sky is closed...The sight of > the coaster on the side of the mountain is awesome though. Anyone > ever ridden it? How is it? from the ground it doesnt look like it does > much. id hesitate to call it a kiddie coaster given its location > though. Plus I'm not aware of too many kiddie coasters that go upside-down. Maybe just the one at Dorney Park... ;) -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri Dec 28 06:54:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15222 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 14:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 14:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta18.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 14:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731B140CC6 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:53:59 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.476ab11c.419c91 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:53:58 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHdQ4GI1xaTAIAAAAB,871a2c5911df0f94716287d182c9edc3 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Ghost Town? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=EKXdo8CDS8XyDgK4e2pFRTmNPDilBGXoVLwQzofGHblYuiI8zvre6Jsk2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It hasn't reopened since the park reopened last spring as they needed to get all new trains made for it. It should be ready to roll this spring however. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Nelson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Ghost Town? hey, so we are up here in Maggie Valley, NC. as we are driving around i see that unfortunately Ghost Town in the Sky is closed. I havent been there since i was a little kid, and dont remember much. The sight of the coaster on the side of the mountain is awesome though. Anyone ever ridden it? How is it? from the ground it doesnt look like it does much. id hesitate to call it a kiddie coaster given its location though. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 07:12:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43845 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 15:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 15:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 15:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 15:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 15:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 15:12:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:12:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Big One rollercoaster set for makeover? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=kvTxxyuUvGmePuX1b2MxQAI0DTHkjFtxWNLc9LK31qsxGsU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mike, "A cenotaph is a tomb or a monument erected in honour of a person or group of persons whose remains are elsewhere." In this case it's the war veteran's memorial. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher" wrote: > > will form part of the resort's showcase extravaganza culminating in > > the re-dedication of the refurbished Promenade cenotaph.=20 >=20 > Many people have told me over the years that I sound like I have a=20=20 > British accent. Since I've never been out of the USA except to Canada=20 > as a 5-6 year old, my theory is that I picked up vocal inflections from=20 > listening to(and "singing" along to) so much British music in the=20 > 80's..Joe Jackson, Police, Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks, etc....but all that=20 > notwithstanding, I haven't a bloody notion of what the word "cenotaph"=20 > means. I could look it up, but it would mean more if someone on this=20 > forum could shed some light..whatever it is, it is in an amusement=20 > park, after all.=20=20=20 >=20 > Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 07:44:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33431 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 15:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 15:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 15:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 15:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 15:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 15:44:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:44:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Proposed_Bible_Park_could_raise_money_=97_and_concerns?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZD-EJG96qWViRqnCJjPA4dnMO_FMS39LSpHHhKYTXZKAX5E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/27/07 The Daily News Journal The Tennessean http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20071227/NEWS06/7122= 7028 By Turner Hutchens & Scott Broden BLACKMAN, TN -- Bible Park USA =97 one of Rutherford County's most talked about and controversial stories in 2007 =97 will stay top of mind in 2008. A spokesperson for developers of the proposed Bible-story theme park in the Blackman community said Monday that efforts to make the project a reality will continue, beginning with renewed public outreach. "The project is moving forward in the new year, and as the project moves forward, there will be multiple, large-scale public meetings," said Terri Sterling, spokeswoman for the developers. The meetings will be in the form of an open house, with the development team for the theme park setting up displays and giving presentations on plans for the park, Sterling said. "That way we can hear what people think and what their questions are, and they can hear what our plans are," she said. Opponents of the plan, though, aren't likely to be dissuaded easily. "I don't really expect anything different," said John L. Batey, an area farmer who helped organize a petition drive against the park last summer. "They've been trying to get everything together to present to the county, but it's nothing we haven't heard before." Batey said the fight will continue. Developers, Armon Bar-Tur, of the New York City area, and Ronen Paldi, of Portland, OR. =97 both of SafeHarbor Holding LLC =97 introduced the idea for Bible Park USA last April at Smyrna Town Centre before a room packed with many government and business leaders representing Rutherford County and its cities. The park is planned as a non-evangelical, non-denominational family-friendly theme park depicting Bible stories, according to a fact sheet on the project issued by developers. The "edutainment" experience, combining education and entertainment, will offer visualiztions of the history of the Bible, as well as the history and archaeology of the period. The park will not attempt to promote specific religious beliefs of any kind, the fact sheet states. The proposal calls for locating the $150-$200 million park on 200 acres west of I-24 in the Blackman community. Developers have identified using Manson Court off Manson Pike as the primary entrance and Florence Road as a secondary service entrance. The park, developers said, would hire 200-300 full-time employees and 500-1,200 seasonal workers. Business leaders involved with the Rutherford County Chamber of Commerce see the park as a way to bring many tourists here, benefiting the local economy. The land could otherwise be developed for new homes, which could put more demands on the county for new schools, roads and other services. Developers have said they will use landscaping buffers around the property to minimize any effects on neighbors. Many residents in the area have been adamant in their opposition to the theme park, leading to the formation of a grass-roots effort to kill the idea. Residents have garnered petitions against the park, posted "No Theme Park" signs in their yards, produced T-shirts proclaiming their stance, launched Web sites in opposition to the park and hounded county and state officials in efforts to prevent the park from progressing. From the outset, skepticism has persisted about the nature of the park, the location of the park and the means by which developers hope to pay for its construction. Residents contend the park will lead to increased traffic and a drop in property values. After 8 months, little has happened to dissuade those concerns, Batey said. "In 4 months, it'll be 12 months since this came up," said Batey. "I don't think people in the area have been sold on the idea since then and they are still opposed to it. "This is a residential community." He said he doesn't expect developers to have anything that will convince him otherwise. "We've listened to them before," he said. "There are still a lot of unanswered questions, a lot of gray areas." A time frame for holding the meetings hasn't been finalized, but the plan is to have 3 meetings =97 in Smyrna, La Vergne and Murfreesboro =97 so there will be multiple opportunities for people to attend, Sterling said. In addition to seeking land use plans, the developers hope the County Commission will approve the land as a tourism development zone. Such a zone would allow some of the taxes generated as a result of the theme park to be used to pay off debt accrued in building the proposed park. The ability to establish such tourism development zones was created by the state Legislature earlier this year. The land where developers are considering building Bible Park USA is currently zoned for single-family residential development =97 as is most of the county outside the municipalities. To locate a theme park on the property, rezoning would be required at the county level, though no application for such a rezoning had been made as of last week. Developers could either ask the county to rezone the land for commercial use and request a special use permit for an amusement park, or request the entire piece of land be zoned as a planned unit development, under which the developer would have to submit a comprehensive plan for the property and how it would be used, according to Rutherford County Planning Director Doug Demosi. Regardless of which track developers choose, they would first have to submit a request for rezoning to the planning department, he said. That request would go first to the Future Development Committee (FDC) and would have to be turned in by a due date, generally a few weeks before the FDC's meeting. The committee normally meets on the first Thursday of the month. After the FDC, the request would be passed to the Rutherford County Regional Planning Commission, and then to the Rutherford County Commission for final approval. The FDC and the Rutherford County Regional Planning Commission are recommending bodies only, meaning the final say rests with the full County Commission. The process usually takes about 3 months, when everything goes smoothly, Demosi said. ------------ Copyright =A9 2007, tennessean.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 08:01:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94860 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 16:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 16:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 16:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 16:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 16:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 16:01:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:01:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Vallejo theme park learned lesson from '98 tiger mauling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6POfQioFeQWPblNUypZ1AMBiCvgYECUpJlWNzykE55pl3DY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 12/27/2007 Contra Costa Times http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_7819909?source=3Drss&nclick_check=3D1 By Rich Freedman VALLEJO, CA -- In the summer of 1998, a 340-pound Bengal tiger at Marine World mauled a San Jose woman during a photo session. The 45-y.o. woman recovered, and the $250 chance to cozy up to a big cat was eliminated. No attacks on the public have occurred since at the Vallejo theme park, now called Six Flags Discovery Kingdom (6FDD). Nancy Chan, 6FDD's public relations director, said it does its best to keep it that way. "We follow strict protocols to ensure the safety of our guests, our staff and our animals," Chan, said a day after a teenager was killed and 2 others were seriously injured in a tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo. Chan, who came to 6FDD after a stint at the San Francisco Zoo, called the mauling "a sensitive issue." "We prefer not to have media make comparisons" between the parks, she said. "I can tell you, though, we have 9 tigers and that they are housed off-exhibit except for being rotated to public viewing where the cats can exercise." "Precautionary measures are always taken when working with the big cats," she said. Even though tigers at 6FDD are trained, "a tiger is a wild animal and (has) instincts that are consistent with being a large predator," Chan said. "You would never want to put your guard down even as a trainer who has hand-raised them from just a few weeks old." The 6FDD tiger public viewing area "was developed keeping in mind the safety of the guests, as there is not only a very high wall but a railing that separates the public," Chan said. "We also have safari guides on hand during operating hours at the exhibit." 6FDD's area that showcases the tigers is closed to the public and won't reopen until March 8. -------------- Copyright 2007 Contra Costa Times Newspapers From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 08:07:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16223 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 16:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 16:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.142) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 16:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 16:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 16:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 16:07:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:07:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Legoland makes bid for Lee's Summit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TMreMmkFtOdaUaX8nz5NK0RfTrAa4jUyJoCnQ0EjU2tzAM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 27, 2007 Lee's Summit Journal http://www.lsjournal.com/articles/2007/12/28/news/02lego.txt LEE'S SUMMIT, MO -- For the past year, the city has been buzzing with talks of a Legoland theme park coming to Lee's Summit. RED Development proposed the 100-acre theme park in January. The project was originally proposed to be built at I-470 and US-50. But after hearing several complaints from residents and councilmembers that the location was too close to the center of the city, RED began considering other locations, such as land at M-291 and US-50. To come to Lee's Summit, Legoland is asking for $172.5 million to be paid through tax increment financing, according to the April 16, 2007 city staff report. More funding was hoped to be granted at the state level; however, the Missouri General Assembly turned the request down, as did the Missouri Department of Economic Development. However, RED spokesperson Dave Claflin has maintained the position that these decisions at the state level are not the final determination and the company continues to look at other funding options. The Legoland theme park would include a 250-room hotel, a 25,000-sq-ft aquarium and up to 100,000 sq-ft of shops and restaurants in addition to the park's 50 rides, shows and other attractions. If Legoland is built in Lee's Summit, it would be the 2nd Legoland in the U.S. The first U.S. Legoland opened in San Diego in 1999. According to a constituent survey done by Rep. Jeff Grisamore, R-Lee's Summit, 62.5% of constituents who answered the survey strongly oppose the state of Missouri or the city of Lee's Summit approving tax increment financing for the construction of Legoland in Lee's Summit. Since MODESA denied RED's request to determine property at M-291 and US-50 "at or near" downtown, there has not been much action one way or the other on the proposed theme park's future in Lee's Summit. ------------ Copyright =A9 2007 =96 Lee's Summit Journal From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 14:21:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2602 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 22:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 22:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 22:21:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81874 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2007 22:21:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QaONLMoVM1lLTouoYKS11zK2m..s1Q7vjlb3BHUCbdeu6JCXA6XrmGFC2efLGzS9KK84DU.1b2vdONV0qoA57QcS.kIez.CyY8pZk0ezNEWGoGWp5L4dwuhFdC6hOyS65p44KfvK_qYlKg-- X-Received: from [72.70.241.148] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:21:43 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:21:43 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1198829846.1126.74101.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <898061.79686.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Sky's the limit at the Funderland rollercoaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=H3PxhLY1nN3vOlxNYTwXHOLh3601EicGEcIkiAP1tld2JtNeOY2X X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love the name of this park! > "It's a huge new rollercoaster and the biggest machine of its kind ever in. She's a looping rollercoaster, formidable!" < Ever in...what? In the park? The pic is nice. Which Schwartzkopf is this? Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Dec 29 06:34:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13384 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2007 14:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2007 14:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2007 14:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2007 14:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2007 14:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2007 14:34:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:34:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.119.231.37 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Santaland? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=7J96g3UStSbUO78hg9NxavwcTSNdi5knxMIqv-JWBD4vUP8AQMQa0tuFFw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 our adventures in the mountains of NC continue as last night we found=20 Santaland. again, the park was closed, but we saw the Rudolph the Red=20 Nosed Reindeer coaster. again, looked like it was a bigger kiddie=20 coaster. anyone ridden this one either? I havent seen this park=20 mentioned much either. of course its in the middle of nowhere, so no=20 surprise its not exactly a coaster enthusiast destination.=20 From GaMndbndr@mindspring.com Sun Dec 30 05:46:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: GaMndbndr@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1122 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2007 13:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2007 13:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2007 13:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 13:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 13:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 13:46:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:46:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.91.114.100 From: "Robert" Subject: Re: Santaland? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63385192; y=KFadBCe1RS8uTEsOzo4ETNOUWZjzJcL2gclHwifgHlJx8ruX X-Yahoo-Profile: gamndbndr --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > our adventures in the mountains of NC continue as last night we found=20 > Santaland. again, the park was closed, but we saw the Rudolph the Red=20 > Nosed Reindeer coaster. again, looked like it was a bigger kiddie=20 > coaster. anyone ridden this one either? I havent seen this park=20 > mentioned much either. of course its in the middle of nowhere, so no=20 > surprise its not exactly a coaster enthusiast destination. > It's a double helix Zamperla powered coaster, really nothing special other than the reindeer theming. With the re-emergence of Ghost Town in the Sky more people will drive by this park on their way to Harrahs/Cherokee/Pigeon Forge, but Santaland is mostly a kiddie park with a petting zoo and some small rides. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 06:02:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18806 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2007 14:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2007 14:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2007 14:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 14:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 14:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 14:02:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:02:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <898061.79686.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.1.202.170 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Sky's the limit at the Funderland rollercoaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Hwkz44IqlafsJdE5wnnmS2U8rbYqyHtwqjP4prr-X4EkbbL9yA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > >=20 > I love the name of this park! >=20 > > "It's a huge new rollercoaster and the biggest machine of its=20 kind ever in. She's a looping rollercoaster, formidable!" < >=20 > Ever in...what? In the park? >=20 > The pic is nice. Which Schwartzkopf is this? >=20 > Jay Although the stats in the story are a bit off, I'm guessing this is a=20 Looping Star. It fits the bill in many ways. Portable, single loop,=20 and here's the stats for comparison:=20 'Official' Story Length 1942 feet 2000 feet Height 80'5" 85 feet Speed 47.8 mph 50 mph (A Silver Arrow is actually even smaller than a Looping Star.) Chris From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 08:31:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20135 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2007 16:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2007 16:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2007 16:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 16:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 16:31:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:31:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Power cut strands six in rollercoaster thriller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=R4jhgkeGa-ddDkbtHAn-XGpAtcxxw8RIgD0ggfPpqOZjQT4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 29, 2007 The New Zealand Herald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=3D2&objectid=3D10484620 MELBOURNE, VICTORIS, AU -- 6 people were rescued from a 30-mtr-high thrill ride at Melbourne's Luna Park that stalled during a power blackout, while a nearby 4-storey building caught fire from a short circuit. Chaotic scenes developed at St Kilda's entertainment hub late last night as people were stuck on the Mad Mouse rollercoaster, while 4th-floor residents yelled for help from a dangerous inferno. Dozens of emergency services crews converged on the fun park to pluck the frightened revellers from the ride, with the last 2 stranded for about 2 hours, a Metropolitan Fire Brigade (MFB) spokesman said. An elevated platform was used to rescue the revellers, who were stuck on the ride when the blackout wiped out power from Malvern to St Kilda. "There was an overuse of air-conditioners which caused the blackout," Melbourne Fire Brigade (MFB) Commander Terry Kimpton said. As rescue crews freed the Mad Mouse riders, they noticed smoke from a neighbouring building - the local RSL in Ackland Street, Kimpton said. "The fire was coming from the pokies area, where there was an electrical short-circuit, caused by the power (after returning to normal)," he said. "A plastic sign had caught fire and it spread rapidly in the building." 2 RSL staff members fled the building, calling for help, Kimpton said. About 10 residents were stranded on the 4th floor as the flames licked closer to their units. "A man in his 70s was yelling and calling for help," Kimpton said. While a ladder was sent up to rescue the man, all the residents escaped down an internal staircase, Kimpton said. No one was hurt amid the chaos, but thick smoke engulfed the lively St Kilda area, packed with patrons and revellers. Kimpton said the Mad Mouse riders were calm as rescue crews told them how they would be saved. "The people who were rescued were pretty cool and collected during the rescue," he said. Police were called in to manage the traffic chaos. "There are traffic lights out all over the place," Metropolitan Ambulance Service (MAS) spokesman Ray Rowe said. "All the power has gone out ... there are about 8 people 30 meters up on the ride." In 2005, 5 children and an adult were stranded on the Mad Mouse for about 2 hours. Luna Park management did not take calls last night. CitiPower & Powercor Australia spokesman Hugo Armstrong said about 5,000 customers in the areas of St Kilda, St Kilda West, Balaclava and Melbourne's St Kilda Road lost supply about 10.15pm local time (00.15 NZDT) last night. Armstrong said safety protection equipment at CitiPower's St Kilda substation came into operation in response to an unknown fault. "Crews were immediately despatched and power was progressively restored from 11.10pm, with the last customers back on supply at about 11.30pm," he said. "The root cause of the fault has not yet been identified, but with power now entirely restored, a full investigation is under way." Armstrong said CitiPower apologised to customers for the inconvenience caused by the fault. ------------ Copyright =A92007, APN Holdings NZ Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 09:35:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2765 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2007 17:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2007 17:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2007 17:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 17:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 17:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 17:35:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:35:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QjjcfA3kMmLpY3PaTqgUo7XQnJP9QjckyujCZoKxuaQEU_M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 So, any big plans out there for New Years? I'm not talking about the for the entire year, just for the Holiday. A friend rented out the Albuquerque Square Dance Center for an evening of dancing: Square, Country & Line. Other than that, we'll be home early. -Alan From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 12:22:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92892 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2007 20:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2007 20:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2007 20:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 20:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 20:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2007 20:22:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:22:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=Ye6P9IggnYklDen8sQxL2own_DXpTKHk2-tFZfOoWmjVhStSXz_A X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Unless I get a better offer today or tomorrow, I'll be spending part of=20 New Years Eve(if I can stay awake) and part of New Years Day with four=20 of my oldest and dearest friends..people who always make me=20 laugh...Ralph, Alice, Ed,and Trixie. We'll mambo,we'll roller-skate, we'll brive dusses, we'll core apples,=20 we'll shoot pool..good times, man. Happy New Year, everyone! Mike=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Dec 30 12:44:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59252 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2007 20:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2007 20:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2007 20:44:13 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id h31so659873pyc.23 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:44:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.115.4 with SMTP id s4mr38088qbm.47.1199047452259; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:44:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.135.14 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:44:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0712301244i557941f3lb7862b0db1c50d59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:44:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=UvZ-3g6g6r453GYkaeqfRRuSITqdhS2vIu8d2lFIAEJMCZWpYw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm working all weekend 7PM - 7AM at the hospital, including New Year's Eve. I'm tired, I'm cranky and I'm run down because I'm going on day 3 of this mess, and then I go back to 2nd shift on Wednesday for the rest of the week. :) If you can't tell, I'm not very happy about this. :) Josh On Dec 30, 2007 3:22 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > Unless I get a better offer today or tomorrow, I'll be spending part of > New Years Eve(if I can stay awake) and part of New Years Day with four > of my oldest and dearest friends..people who always make me > laugh...Ralph, Alice, Ed,and Trixie. > > We'll mambo,we'll roller-skate, we'll brive dusses, we'll core apples, > we'll shoot pool..good times, man. > > Happy New Year, everyone! > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 18:40:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78624 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 02:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2007 02:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 02:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from [217.12.4.215] by n8.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2007 02:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by t2.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2007 02:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.165] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2007 02:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp500.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2007 02:40:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 451503.85040.bm@omp500.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12942 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2007 02:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [70.127.135.104] by web45108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:40:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:40:50 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <293784.88640.qm@web45108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=Cx7dCa_2Iaic3j60ANIy5gDXDitTTqcq56aYpyYwzmb2w5-X1Gx- X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm contemplating doing something or just staying in for the night. I just got back from visiting family and friends in Houston, and am feeling worn down. It depends on how I feel tomorrow night. Joe ----- Original Message ---- From: Josh W To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:44:12 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: New Years? I'm working all weekend 7PM - 7AM at the hospital, including New Year's Eve. I'm tired, I'm cranky and I'm run down because I'm going on day 3 of this mess, and then I go back to 2nd shift on Wednesday for the rest of the week. :) If you can't tell, I'm not very happy about this. :) Josh On Dec 30, 2007 3:22 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > Unless I get a better offer today or tomorrow, I'll be spending part of > New Years Eve(if I can stay awake) and part of New Years Day with four > of my oldest and dearest friends..people who always make me > laugh...Ralph, Alice, Ed,and Trixie. > > We'll mambo,we'll roller-skate, we'll brive dusses, we'll core apples, > we'll shoot pool..good times, man. > > Happy New Year, everyone! > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sun Dec 30 23:15:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34778 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 07:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2007 07:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 07:14:57 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so3174529rvf.10 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:14:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.20.7 with SMTP id x7mr6182737rvi.82.1199085296051; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:14:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.88.17 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:14:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:14:56 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <293784.88640.qm@web45108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <293784.88640.qm@web45108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ll_-gj69uzT5KWX0Ic0coyvItfzh1md_mb4LAqK-ObZSh5mLgminZgo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Partying until the wee hours of the morning in Chicago. Those of you who know me aren't surprised, I'm sure... :) -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Dec 31 06:18:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72736 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 14:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2007 14:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 14:18:11 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so2174046ugm.42 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.251.3 with SMTP id y3mr11715464ugh.88.1199110690463; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.245.17 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:18:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0712310618w99e8802s87431334fd3f912a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:18:10 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <293784.88640.qm@web45108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=TW5MiU_UkyAdgkM4_hVvbsLZLsUcD1NaAzIevIClTkscI6c X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I got reservations for my girlfriend and I at a really nice restaurant in Hartford, Peppercorn's Grille. And then after that I think we're just going back to my house and hopefully my dad will be out for the night. We'll probably play board games and drink wine all night. I just hope I'm getting out of work around 1 like the rumors floating around the office have been saying. -Mikeska From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 07:58:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33334 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 15:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2007 15:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 15:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2007 15:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2007 15:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2007 15:58:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:58:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.1.202.170 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=d6Mb9eO3ylRuG8eu-pfZs_issyoUWI0PJSfVW9AtoCuqckpNTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > Partying until the wee hours of the morning in Chicago. >=20 > Those of you who know me aren't surprised, I'm sure... :) >=20 > -Nate Chicago, What?=20 Why haven't we looked each other up yet? Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 14:41:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24025 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 22:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2007 22:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 22:40:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57598 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2007 22:40:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hR1bwIQVM1kjQSlQEiwT5m1ZQDjSGSlVdT5tW7ayOotpjf3kM8n6swmSoHaLZCjp_8nSMOfbyD98jkaI0kAyMwDtMQj.UtfelhHcKmNpIuPGCdGuCeQ- X-Received: from [72.70.241.148] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:40:57 PST Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:40:57 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1199088995.2182.9638.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <325754.57013.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=bN6kKM7QrdIFyKVA7T7MP71MrGvkisjq6wz7CkIMG02nhrXiaTuX X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was at the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round today for their annual First Night Junior celebration. There was a good crowd and lots to do, from magicians and balloon scuptures to musical performances for kids. BTW, one thing I'm looking forward to in 2008 is the return of our Artizan band organ, which is getting its first ground-up restoration in a quarter century. Amazingly, it was still playing fine (though occasionally missing notes). But it needed a bit of TLC. When we get it back, it will have a MIDI controller grafted onto it. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 06:58:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72479 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 14:58:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 14:58:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 14:58:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36545 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2008 14:58:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QOc4my8VM1nhKp_iNzRLff1fdK_vIxa1bVmujJM4_WBpgogbxw3vzXZqz0J3BuVPesGklDwJi9rLapDeeFcLqg.T6zFHTKpVd5DovV0EwciXzXpDOaDMiPbUI_3d1Q-- X-Received: from [72.70.241.148] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:58:56 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:58:56 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk , Dave Anderson , Rich Boehmer , gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <431018.34549.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: TECH: Coaster Automated Transport System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=V5RySbitLfrYDIPUmpTP8c52AZJf0_781nA0B2G8yAE4XhGxyp2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a novel way to provide mass transit. It's being tested out in Europe. I wouldn't mind getting to work this way: Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 02 07:05:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3449 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 15:05:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 15:05:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.185) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 15:05:56 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c24so4139598rvf.37 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:05:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.144.4 with SMTP id r4mr7406393rvd.15.1199286355509; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:05:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.88.17 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 07:05:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:05:55 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: New Years? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=vrgvJ8dUL0ZChstuYIqkQuuARz6m3TIO3QMu_AeCh1peddBC5UKfF7Y X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Partying until the wee hours of the morning in Chicago. > Chicago, What? > > Why haven't we looked each other up yet? I only got to Great America once this year, and didn't really do any other amusement park-related travel this year. I do plan to hit IB and Holliwood Nights next May though... -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 07:55:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84981 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 15:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 15:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.163) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 15:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 15:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 15:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 15:55:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:55:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland hits capacity and stops sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=fp-PVfwpfzMmAbUb9Zg8XGyYrMoSpwQmJ7N7GGrU8TY5ato X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 December 28th, 2007 The Orange County Register http://ocresort.freedomblogging.com/2007/12/28/disneyland-hits-capacity-and= -stops-sales/ By Sarah Tully ANAHEIM, CA -- The week between Christmas and New Year's Day traditionally is the busiest of the year for Disneyland. And this week is no different. At least 3 times this week, DL had to stop letting new visitors in because too many people were crowding the park. This afternoon, electronic readers on roads in the DL area warned visitors that tickets were sold out for the day. When that happens, DL has to turn people away, sending them to the sister park at Disney's California Adventure or elsewhere. "This is the time of year we are extra popular," said Rob Doughty, a DL spokesman. "We get to a point, to protect the guest experience, we will divert people to go to DCA." The park is expected to stay crowded through Tuesday. Doughty suggests that guests arrive early before noon so they can get in. Hours are 8a.m. to midnight Saturday, Sunday & Tuesday. Overnight on Monday - New Year's Eve - the park will stay open from 8a.m. to 2a.m. ------------- Copyright 2007 The Orange County Register From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 08:02:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59568 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 16:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 16:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 16:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 16:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 16:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 16:02:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:02:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Vietnamese theme park plans unveiled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=o8MLftJXJOx5nDmekecWamuiju3BZ5seYj4NRnM7gTed98U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 02/01/08 Amusement Trades Limited http://www.ateonline.co.uk/60/74/79/articles/13886.php VUNG TAU, VIETNAM -- The Vietnamese government has received plans for a new theme park project in Vung Tau Bau Trung, modelled on Disneyland. The 200-hectare development, launched by the Good Choice Imports-Exports & Investments, will cost over VND1.3 billion and will be partially operational by 2010 if plans are approved. A spokesperson for Good Choice said their ambition was to revitalise the tourism industry in Vung Tau. "It has many advantages in terms of location, scenery, beaches and environment but has been neglected by domestic and foreign tourists in recent years due to a lack of attractive tourist products and recreational facilities," he said. ------------- =A9 2007 Amusement Trades Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 08:08:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70496 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:08:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lQDYp2oXYUQO5ahkesXiSumDbNUmemuKWueR6ghfYCvWojA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 3rd, 2008 ThrillNetwork http://www.thrillnetwork.com/stories_view.php/2123/top_gun_borg_names_carow= inds.html CHARLOTTE, NC -- With the purchase of the former Paramount Parks by Cedar Fair, park patrons knew that some things would eventually get a makeover. Carowinds website has now revealed the new names for 2 of the most popular coasters at Carowinds, located in Charlotte, NC. Top Gun - The Jet Coaster will now be known as "Flight Deck" and Borg Assimilator will now be called "Nighthawk". The other coasters and rides at the park seem to be keeping their current names. For more information visit Carowinds http://www1.cedarfair.com/carowinds/ ----------- =A9 2001-2007 ThrillNetwork, LLC. Copyright 2008 Cedar Fair Entertainment Company From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 03 08:15:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8843 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 16:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 16:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.230) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 16:15:59 -0000 X-Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id j2so1125313nzf.12 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:15:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr4591677wfr.102.1199376958579; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:15:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.141.15 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:15:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:15:58 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=zItjdIpcTAsnZ-0bdQOsQtgySPX8p8pJoWupzG3z7jnsZA-eFNxfqvg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Top Gun - The Jet Coaster will now be known as "Flight Deck" and Borg > Assimilator will now be called "Nighthawk". Flight Deck? What a horrible, horrible name. Anyone know what they're doing with that big sphere outside Borg Assimilator? Staying or going? -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jan 03 08:51:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19560 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 16:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 16:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 16:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1321243704 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:51:19 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.476ab11c.773c0e for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:51:18 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHfRKG5Gk6CwIAAAAB,c001f18d7a1bc4efa387c991e0f4ec4c Message-ID: <80EDFAEBDDF14706AF9B34A525423E32@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:51:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=vHX-Kqf5P5uA3yNuvLMQgfrjaQgDjjbx55cMIuakz0gTCE6RiUSBDZrQEw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Flight Deck?! That's got to be the worst name of all time...=20 Flight Deck...=20 I just can't wrap my head around it. Keep in mind this change will also lik= ely take place to the Top Gun coasters at California's Great America, Kings= Island and Canada's Wonderland as well, even though they are all entirely = different rides. While we're at it can they please rename the nearby bathro= oms as the Poop Deck? Why not go with a faux Top Gun style theme with a better name like Fightert= own USA or something... another old nickname for the Top Gun school when it= was in Miramar, or go with an "Area 51" top secret airfield theme...=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan=20 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Caro= winds Jan. 3rd, 2008 ThrillNetwork http://www.thrillnetwork.com/stories_view.php/2123/top_gun_borg_names_car= owinds.html CHARLOTTE, NC -- With the purchase of the former Paramount Parks by Cedar Fair, park patrons knew that some things would eventually get a makeover. Carowinds website has now revealed the new names for 2 of the most popular coasters at Carowinds, located in Charlotte, NC. Top Gun - The Jet Coaster will now be known as "Flight Deck" and Borg Assimilator will now be called "Nighthawk". The other coasters and rides at the park seem to be keeping their current names. For more information visit Carowinds http://www1.cedarfair.com/carowinds/ ----------- =A9 2001-2007 ThrillNetwork, LLC. Copyright 2008 Cedar Fair Entertainment Company =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Jan 03 09:22:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69698 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 17:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 17:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.240.48) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 17:22:10 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080103172210.KFNH476.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:22:10 -0500 X-Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([68.229.223.145]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id YhMD1Y00P38qQsL0000000; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:21:14 -0500 To: References: <80EDFAEBDDF14706AF9B34A525423E32@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:22:08 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c84e2d$2b780580$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <80EDFAEBDDF14706AF9B34A525423E32@ScreamscapeHP> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchOKN8tg++F88KnSJqV+JLy0dsLOQAAY2cg X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=Ab8KSBpmJZjh1bMV3tZtVbhaaU3DMudYhanB0bfKQOGpUNYPWHntDw X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lance wrote X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71431 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 17:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 17:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.228) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 17:33:34 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s11so1521442wxc.17 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:33:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.109.16 with SMTP id h16mr4668430wfc.117.1199381613317; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:33:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.141.15 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:33:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:33:33 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c84e2d$2b780580$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <80EDFAEBDDF14706AF9B34A525423E32@ScreamscapeHP> <000f01c84e2d$2b780580$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=0IMVChs-z6igC6GSIr7VjEP3bFsd2rXqAvL9n6DNeI-qqT1nVhtvWHk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Six flags also > has questionable names such as Evil Kenievil their soon to be WOODEN coaster > at SFStL Evel Knievel was a daredevil who performed dangerous stunts. I think that name fits a roller coaster just fine. > and at SFFT there is Poltergeist (a German name) in the 50s section > of the park. A Poltergeist is a type of ghost, and the word is often used in the English language. To board the ride you wind through a dilapidated (and seemingly haunted) house. Again, the themeing fits. > In the same section of the park is Scream (an S&S freefall > ride). Correct me if I am wrong but weren't the scream movies from the 90s. The S&S tower is not named after or themed to the Scream movies. -Nate From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Jan 03 09:43:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44684 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 17:43:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 17:43:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao103.cox.net) (68.230.240.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 17:43:13 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080103174313.ESYC24467.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:43:13 -0500 X-Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([68.229.223.145]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id YhXB1Y00E38qQsL0000000; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:31:12 -0500 To: References: <80EDFAEBDDF14706AF9B34A525423E32@ScreamscapeHP> <000f01c84e2d$2b780580$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:43:11 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01c84e30$1c2c4840$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchOLsWOHrvpzJOSRVO3XuW0zkQpowAAIggg X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=xJLPGn02FGuMjqGpH_W3FjBzkrcxUyQ2WeU48ml2fh5Ls_f_8y9Zzw X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Evel Knievel was a daredevil who performed dangerous stunts. I think >that name fits a roller coaster just fine. I was referring to the fact that it is a wooden coaster they are using for the name. I think the name would be better suited for say a Vekoma motorbike coaster. >The S&S tower is not named after or themed to the Scream movies. Then what is it named after? Michael Lopez . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jan 03 10:03:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44238 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 18:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 18:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 18:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DE141D57 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:03:42 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.4774535f.387dd1 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:03:41 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHfSN9MCwhGwIAAAAB,8127925a9a8c1f46e0e0a6e46d939b8c Message-ID: <3CF632C2136B4D2C8C6C64A0BF89F2FE@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <80EDFAEBDDF14706AF9B34A525423E32@ScreamscapeHP> <000f01c84e2d$2b780580$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> <001a01c84e30$1c2c4840$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <001a01c84e30$1c2c4840$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:03:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=DMwdUsiUZAF5YSXA4XRBhXq9rGfD3YF_xE8njRchTEH37yR9vaenO0WtNg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>The S&S tower is not named after or themed to the Scream movies. > >Then what is it named after? I think it's just themed as a 50's Drive-In that shows horror films. I think a similar theme is used at SFNE's Scream towers as well. Though that doesn't explain a bit about why they called the Medusa clone at SFMM "Scream". From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 03 10:12:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35494 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 18:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 18:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 18:12:26 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c55so241114wra.0 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:12:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.88.20 with SMTP id l20mr4721149wfb.72.1199383942513; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:12:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.141.15 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:12:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:12:22 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3CF632C2136B4D2C8C6C64A0BF89F2FE@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <80EDFAEBDDF14706AF9B34A525423E32@ScreamscapeHP> <000f01c84e2d$2b780580$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> <001a01c84e30$1c2c4840$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> <3CF632C2136B4D2C8C6C64A0BF89F2FE@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=u4wYwBE5vTPD4hzYBU6SYF76DvPacwimR4rNXaxjgjjHGcyd_g9iwFk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >>Evel Knievel was a daredevil who performed dangerous stunts. I think >>that name fits a roller coaster just fine. > I was referring to the fact that it is a wooden coaster they are using for > the name. I think the name would be better suited for say a Vekoma motorbike > coaster. It probably would have, but since Six Flags isn't building a Vekoma motorbike, I don't think using the Evel Knievel name is problematic. > I think it's just themed as a 50's Drive-In that shows horror films. > I think a similar theme is used at SFNE's Scream towers as well. Exactly. > Though that doesn't explain a bit about why they called the Medusa clone at > SFMM "Scream". SFMM's Scream doesn't have a theme...it's just a name. http://www.rcdb.com/ig2169.htm?picture=23 > From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 11:46:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67284 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 19:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 19:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 19:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 19:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 19:46:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:46:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CF632C2136B4D2C8C6C64A0BF89F2FE@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 161.149.63.106 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=atETsBcsR8sQUotWDdFbXNNZAc-gL_wfzLx4o_XpOShsBYRquwDm X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > Though that doesn't explain a bit about why they called the Medusa=20 clone at=20 > SFMM "Scream". This seems kinda obvious to me, but the idea is that you will scream on=20 the coaster. The word "Scream" has been around for a lot longer than=20 the movies. Not sure what the confusion is there. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 17:13:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19917 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 01:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 01:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 01:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 01:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 01:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 01:13:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:13:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c84e2d$2b780580$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=20pexFAtcMMMd-k-ssVixgrZ62m3RWjo9w8Lva04YrZf0nitRgE3 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 name that fits the section of the park it is in like the Cuchacabra=20 (sp?). Chupacabra. > However I do agree that Flight Deck is a bad uncreative name for a=20 roller > coaster. "FLIGHT DECK" is the name of a comic strip I like. Top Gun:The Jet=20 Coaster is my favorite coaster of it's type. I still wouldn't put the=20 two together. I like mayonnaise and I like peanut butter, but I=20 wouldn't eat them on the same sandwich. Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 17:15:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17138 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 01:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 01:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 01:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 01:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 01:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 01:15:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:15:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <80EDFAEBDDF14706AF9B34A525423E32@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=ZufcCetw2oG4MaULxMfEe32y8tKWDaPhSboAQ77xhZQSTyZW5504 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 While we're at it can they please rename the nearby bathrooms as the=20 Poop Deck? >=20 Hee Hee... Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 07:24:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32204 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 15:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 15:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 15:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:24:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:24:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Roller coaster makes unscheduled New Year stop X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6aJ9my3vd9dunmvT0UQuAokaYvA9GcFT_H97sYjHYBY6Elc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 2, 2008 Reuters Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080102/od_nm/rollercoaster_dc_1 BEIJING, CHINA -- A roller coaster stalled at the top of a loop at China's biggest amusement park, leaving passengers stranded upside down, their legs pointed toward the sky. 18 passengers were left hanging for half an hour several meters above the park on New Year's Eve Monday in the eastern province of Anhui, the China Daily said. The passengers were riding the "Fireball" attraction at the Wuhu Fangte Amusement Park when the rollercoaster came to an abrupt halt. "Park officials and local authorities rescued the stranded passengers after about 30 minutes and 6 were rushed to hospital and treated for dizziness," Xinhua news agency said. Investigations revealed that strong headwind had triggered a mechanical fault, the agency said. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 Reuters Limited Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 07:30:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40423 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 15:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 15:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 15:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:30:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:30:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 13 injured in roller coaster mishap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z_hYEQp2yNMH_OhBKiASnySx6rTW_vfeXd0yPHMRECBxIYU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 2, 2008 The Japan Times http://search.japantimes.co.jp/rss/nn20080102a6.html KITAKYUSHU, FUKUOKA PREFECTURE, JP -- 13 visitors were injured Monday when the roller coaster they were riding at an amusement park in Kitakyushu, Fukuoka Prefecture, stopped abruptly, local police said. The 6-car Titan V roller coaster at the Space World amusement park stopped at around 1:40 p.m. as a safety system activated after a joint between the 3rd and 4th cars came off, investigators said. The injuries suffered by the visitors, who are mostly complaining of back pain or sickness, are not believed to be serious, they said. -------------- Copyrights 2008 The Japan Times Ltd. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 04 07:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42991 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 15:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 15:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 15:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-187.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.187] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JAoZ2-0002Cs-Ao for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <477E5170.3070401@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:32:00 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47850561ff51fa964bb05ab736f89188a6e26a6d2140cece9e9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=YrK5FhyBedkVCmOsZyWsq_Z55_wghzvh1ZhSYxk3FOZxvr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike Gallagher wrote: > > > However I do agree that Flight Deck is a bad uncreative name for a > roller > > coaster. > > "FLIGHT DECK" is the name of a comic strip I like. Top Gun:The Jet > Coaster is my favorite coaster of it's type. I still wouldn't put the > two together. I like mayonnaise and I like peanut butter, but I > wouldn't eat them on the same sandwich. I dunno, I don't mind Flight Deck. I'll agree that it's not the most creative name in the world, and I can think of others that, in my opinion, might have worked better. But what they're naming it does have relevance to what it was called before. Personally I might have liked something named after one of the planes from the movie- e.g. Tomcat, or something else that sounds a little more exciting. But it's far from the worst name I've ever heard (such as the discussed Scream, or X, etc.) keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 07:41:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92022 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 15:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 15:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 15:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 15:41:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:41:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Diving back in to some avoided attractions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=p1bWmbgJd0NdGgEGEEQvyCIfEStDsIFcErOW8N9_d13QMCA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 4, 2008 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-bevil0408jan04,0,7621802.c= olumn?track=3Drss By Dewayne Bevil ORLANDO, FL -- Familiarity breeds habit. If you frequent a theme park enough, trends emerge. Maybe you always walk around Epcot's World Showcase in a counterclockwise fashion, or have a stingray tradition at SeaWorld, or you can't leave Islands of Adventure without spinning through the Cat in the Hat ride. Conversely, sometimes you swear off attractions. Recently, I revisited 7 features that I have avoided for months for various reasons, ranging from potential stomach upset to residing in the wrong demographic. *Doctor Doom's Fearfall at IOA. I tried this thrill ride twice when the park first opened. It doesn't look that harrowing, but my internal organs disagree. As I stood in the single-rider line at the base of the twin towers this week I felt anxiety more intense than before any roller coaster. You're strapped into the contraption, which vaults you up, up, up, and I know it's going to stop, but not before a freak-out moment. "I hate this thing," I hollered during the 2nd ascent while the 3-some from Boston College next to me yelled for more. It is a short ride, and for that I am unusually thankful. I was able to calm down enough to admire IOAs spread before my kicking feet. And the ride has good marks in the plus column, including the doors' super-villainous design that glares at you while waiting to take flight. *Twister ... Ride It Out at Universal Studios. The last time I went through this show, I had a personal disaster -- "Attack of the Killer Contact Lens" -- so that wasn't a fair experience. Both parts of the pre-show with Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton remain overly earnest, but I enjoyed the windy effects this time, especially the soaring cow. For those into false peril, the back row really rocks. *"Believe" at SeaWorld Orlando. This Shamu show takes the New Age cake. I'm all for a good back story, but this one is too precious for me. Bring out the whale and call it a day. I prefer the occasional "Shamu Rocks" show. *Rafiki's Planet Watch at Disney's Animal Kingdom. My one previous foray to this area was time-consuming, rocky and boring. I recall the train ride being extra rough and for little payoff. My recent trip was better. On the way to the outpost between Africa and Asia, you are able to see "backstage" areas -- or are those just built to look that way? Planet Watch is good for nature walking and animal interaction. I was happy to see prominent hand-washing stations at the petting area. The ride back is less scenic -- it's more foliage-in-your-face. One bonus is that only foldable strollers are allowed on the train. Translation: no Disney double-wides. *"Voyage of the Little Mermaid" at Disney-MGM Studios. My previous regard for this show was OK, but I'm not really the target audience and the line frequently seemed packed. But the show -- a mix of puppetry, people and projections -- is better than I remembered. (Sitting near the back of the house helps the overall illusion, I think.) I like the misty atmosphere, the big, bad Ursula, and the sudden, startling, now-she-has-fins, now-she-doesn't moment, even for adults. *"Reflections of China" at Epcot. I'm a fool for Circle-Vision 360, but I've hit the wall at the recently revamped O, Canada. The China film is fine; starting off with a Great Wall shot is a winner and sets visitors spinning from the top. Also worth a peak is the pre-show exhibit of "tomb warriors," downright educational. Visually spectacular is the ceiling. Look up as you enter the Temple of Heaven. *The Hall of Presidents at Magic Kingdom. The hall is a forgotten Disney classic -- open since the park debuted in 1971 -- tucked away in Liberty Square. The pre-show displays presidential paraphernalia, including Bill Clinton's saxophone, Abraham Lincoln's mailbox, a love letter from Harry S Truman to his wife and Richard Nixon's 8th-grade homework (an "autobiography"). The film inside is a shout-out to the Declaration of Independence and rights, although if I were from South Carolina, I wouldn't be comfortable during the Civil War segment. The sight of the Audio-Animatronic lineup of presidents is stirring. I felt as if we should be standing during "Hail to the Chief." I like watching the figures fidget and react to others. Even as a kid, I appreciated the way the presidents moved their heads to face the man listed during the roll call. Memorable to many people is when Lincoln stands to speak, but I am drawn more to his dialogue in the film during the Lincoln-Douglas debates. The subject is "all men are equal." Lincoln: "If that declaration is not the truth, let us get the statute book, in which we find it and tear it out! Who is so bold as to do it? If it is not true let us tear it out! [Others yell "No!"] Let us stick to it then, let us stand firmly by it then." Makes you want to caucus, doesn't it? ------------- Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Jan 04 10:14:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85735 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 18:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 18:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 18:14:17 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v53so2578685pyh.33 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:14:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.214.2 with SMTP id r2mr35567708qbq.2.1199470456641; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:14:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.135.14 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:14:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801041014o19133b10ydea0132f13a18c52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:14:16 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <477E5170.3070401@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <477E5170.3070401@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=fimZusy-1PFWI5veMILtoFJ4lg4pDj2lKDHO3GW_-UL5BBWLKg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, CF already has rights to the name "Maverick" - if you reeeealllly want to stay movie related. ;) -Josh On Jan 4, 2008 10:32 AM, george burnash wrote: > Mike Gallagher wrote: > > > > > However I do agree that Flight Deck is a bad uncreative name for a > > roller > > > coaster. > > > > "FLIGHT DECK" is the name of a comic strip I like. Top Gun:The Jet > > Coaster is my favorite coaster of it's type. I still wouldn't put the > > two together. I like mayonnaise and I like peanut butter, but I > > wouldn't eat them on the same sandwich. > > I dunno, I don't mind Flight Deck. I'll agree that it's not the most > creative name in the world, and I can think of others that, in my > opinion, might have worked better. But what they're naming it does have > relevance to what it was called before. > > Personally I might have liked something named after one of the planes > from the movie- e.g. Tomcat, or something else that sounds a little more > exciting. But it's far from the worst name I've ever heard (such as the > discussed Scream, or X, etc.) > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jan 04 10:17:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68228 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6165 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 18:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2008 18:17:52 -0000 Message-ID: <477E784D.2070806@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:17:49 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <477E5170.3070401@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <477E5170.3070401@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=dpV70hE-Dac4UDU2M1mpknKI4MaK98nNZiD3WjL8JbEnbpjY X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > exciting. But it's far from the worst name I've ever heard (such as the > discussed Scream, or X, etc.) Ok .. I'll grant you that X is a pretty uninspired name, but "Scream"? I actually think it's quite cool for a device that is supposed to elicit screams! Cameron. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jan 04 11:48:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77610 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 19:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 19:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 19:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976E341495 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:48:38 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.4774535f.43f696 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:47:51 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHfo1nR5znDQIAAAAB,d76d5305c1a846468f9eecfd089b0b61 Message-ID: To: References: <477E5170.3070401@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0801041014o19133b10ydea0132f13a18c52@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0801041014o19133b10ydea0132f13a18c52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:48:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ZQjKkOTioZWTFGNoR3JoTw_BOPkG8_X7CsBBElQNNvGgLxdQDJOybzd-2w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True... though they may run into a copyright problem by trying to use the name Maverick in a ride with a Top Gun style setting, even without using the name. I believe the big issue with copyright infringement is if they believe the issue to be serious enough to cause confusion about if the product is really connected to the copyright. Maverick would cause some confusion if it were really Top Gun or not I suppose, especially since the ride was Top Gun... ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh W To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds Hey, CF already has rights to the name "Maverick" - if you reeeealllly want to stay movie related. ;) -Josh On Jan 4, 2008 10:32 AM, george burnash wrote: > Mike Gallagher wrote: > > > > > However I do agree that Flight Deck is a bad uncreative name for a > > roller > > > coaster. > > > > "FLIGHT DECK" is the name of a comic strip I like. Top Gun:The Jet > > Coaster is my favorite coaster of it's type. I still wouldn't put the > > two together. I like mayonnaise and I like peanut butter, but I > > wouldn't eat them on the same sandwich. > > I dunno, I don't mind Flight Deck. I'll agree that it's not the most > creative name in the world, and I can think of others that, in my > opinion, might have worked better. But what they're naming it does have > relevance to what it was called before. > > Personally I might have liked something named after one of the planes > from the movie- e.g. Tomcat, or something else that sounds a little more > exciting. But it's far from the worst name I've ever heard (such as the > discussed Scream, or X, etc.) > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 15:08:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60420 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 23:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 23:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.142) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 23:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 23:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 23:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 23:08:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:08:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=U6QIa222e2KOD2O53QI76ZdhQ7XujORUuOyuCY2xUfHrrpzDlnIH X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Who cares? Top Gun is an old, played out movie that no one even cares=20 about anymore. While Top Gun is a great name for a ride, Maverick is=20 not. Why? Even if you've never seen Top Gun, you still know what it=20 means. But you won't know who Maverick is unless you have seen it.=20=20 Big tall rollercoasters are aimed at teens. "The movie keeps getting=20 older, but they stay the saaaaame age."=20=20 As for the name "Flight deck," eh... I would prefer if they used the=20 original term, but it's not P.C. anymore. I won't repeat it here to=20 risk offending anyone, but it contains the words "pit" and "cock." Not=20 nessecarilly in that order. Quackin' Chicken, -Brian F. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 16:22:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18180 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 00:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 00:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 00:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n17.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 00:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 00:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 00:22:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:22:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=-6_22GTdPDmvvYNvLyXcoEaaqMcgcAMsFGx0w8XaUKW1xfTAQ32p X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > True... though they may run into a copyright problem by trying to use=20 the name Maverick in a ride with a Top Gun style setting, even without=20 using the name. I believe the big issue with copyright infringement is=20 if they believe the issue to be serious enough to cause confusion about=20 if the product is really connected to the copyright. >=20 > Maverick would cause some confusion if it were really Top Gun or not=20 I suppose, especially since the ride was Top Gun...=20 James Garner and Mel Gibson might get upset, too! Mike=20 From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 16:25:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36448 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 00:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 00:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.131) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 00:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n4.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 00:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 00:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 00:25:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:25:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=JLUKAm0LLDG1RncCbAbXzHOWhILEy-Cm2cJjIgQyQ3ySfh9yVuIf X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > As for the name "Flight deck," eh... I would prefer if they used the=20 > original term, but it's not P.C. anymore. I won't repeat it here to=20 > risk offending anyone, but it contains the words "pit" and "cock."=20=20 Not=20 > nessecarilly in that order. >=20 > Quackin' Chicken, > -Brian F. > I may be off on this, but I don't believe the flight deck and the=20 cockpit(P.C. I'm not) are the same thing. Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Jan 04 18:49:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25211 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 02:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 02:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 02:49:10 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so12287815pyb.5 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:49:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.150.18 with SMTP id x18mr36540177qbd.0.1199501349537; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:49:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.135.14 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:49:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801041849n466bce60p19b370ccdff340b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:49:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=J_mzbFlLIwhTeXVxrAW7_s2FELxWlSccboZzLkBRQzTF_BueMA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah... and if there's one thing Brian has never spent time in before, it's a cockpit of a plane. :-D -Josh On Jan 4, 2008 7:25 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > > As for the name "Flight deck," eh... I would prefer if they used the > > original term, but it's not P.C. anymore. I won't repeat it here to > > risk offending anyone, but it contains the words "pit" and "cock." > Not > > nessecarilly in that order. > > > > Quackin' Chicken, > > -Brian F. > > > I may be off on this, but I don't believe the flight deck and the > cockpit(P.C. I'm not) are the same thing. > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Jan 05 07:29:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24840 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 15:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 15:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 15:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 15:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 15:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 15:29:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:29:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Ride sales generate millions for park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7sOuREmm8HAXjiiC727BUO7Ii5h-3jYMUjMClhvLRAxE8Zg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 05, 2008 The Wichita Eagle http://www.kansas.com/101/story/272483.html By Bill Wilson PARK CITY, KS -- Bankrupt theme park Wild West World (WWW) ended November with about $3.2 million in the bank, according to operating reports filed this week with U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Wichita. Court documents show that much of that revenue -- in 6 court-authorized bank accounts operated by park owner Thomas Etheredge's bankruptcy attorney, Ed Nazar -- was generated from ride sales. It's money Etheredge won't see. It will go toward WWW's bankruptcy expenses and secured debt. WWW closed and filed for bankruptcy July 9, claiming insolvency 2 months after the $30 million theme park opened. 23 of the park's 24 rides have been sold, 2 of them on consignment by Chance Rides, Nazar said. The Fiesta Mexicana is the only one that remains, Nazar said. It isn't clear whether sale proceeds approach the appraised value of the rides, Nazar said. Sources close to the bankruptcy say there's been no significant interest in the land from potential park operators. Plans to sell WWW's metal buildings and offer the land to developers were delayed late last year when Realtors Grant and Bradley Tidemann of J.P. Weigand & Sons mounted an e-mail campaign to find a buyer. Bradley Tidemann said Friday that the campaign has yielded "a couple of prospects" with "mild to serious" interest. "I wouldn't say that anything definite has been set, but I think some folks would like to have this resolved by spring," he said. Park City Mayor Dee Stuart, whose city owns WWW's parking lot, bridge and man-made lake after joining Etheredge's elaborate financing package, said she was undaunted by the ongoing search. "There's still time," she said. "Theme park operators don't grow on trees, and if anyone can find a buyer for the whole thing it's the Tidemanns." If the land remains unsold this spring, Bradley Tidemann said it likely will be auctioned as development ground. Meanwhile, auctions of park contents will resume at 9:30 a.m. Tuesday. Items to be auctioned will include maintenance tractors, passenger trailers, mowers, a pickup and other related items. ----------- Copyright 2008 The Wichita Eagle From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Jan 05 07:38:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45697 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 15:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 15:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 15:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 15:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 15:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 15:38:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:38:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Florida Residents Save on Disney Park Visits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=kLmW6UJfQHJs6SQlmw7JPhsgo1d2mKWlXRDA_GcJKeyE-dw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 03, 2008 The Centre Daily Times http://www.centredaily.com/living/travel/story/308185.html LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -=97 Florida residents whose dream is to save money on Disney theme park visits can have it come true in early 2008. Walt Disney World Resort has kicked off the new year with a limited-time special offer that saves guests more than 20% off the price of a Florida Resident Disney Play 4 Days Pass (P4DP) -- a ticket that is a good deal even when normally priced. During January and February, Floridians can purchase a P4DP for $125 plus tax (the pass costs $105 +tax for children ages 3-9). Then, for 6 months from first use, they can visit a Disney theme park on any 4 days. On each day of use, the guest can choose to visit either Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Disney's Animal Kingdom or Disney's Hollywood Studios. "What better way to begin 2008 than to give FL residents a special ticket to come enjoy the kickoff of the 'Year of a Million Dreams' celebration," said Jim Alessandro, senior VP of marketing at WDW Resort. "And with new entertainment premiering throughout the spring and into the summer, this pass can become Floridians' ticket to be among the first to experience our new fun." The special price is available through Feb. 29. Thereafter, the FL Resident P4DP will be $159 -- still less than $40 a day to enjoy a Disney theme park experience. The Disney P4DP is available for purchase by calling 407/WDW-4DAYS (939-4329). FL Resident tickets are also available at WDW theme park ticket windows and Resort hotel locations, FL AAA offices and FL Disney Stores. Proof of FL residency is required. ----------- Copyright 2008 The Centre Daily Times From buzzgok@verizon.net Sat Jan 05 08:39:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: buzzgok@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69983 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 16:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 16:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84301.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.74.180) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 16:39:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15211 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2008 16:39:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5QZ3Sr8VM1m9dVh8nsnVP0ckw0Zgxa8IdZBFgHqt8Ad8hZvt39ZM5W4gIHtv3qy7tyKksduzy3RPGe79IvPDbzHfKeI.mab_9wSBjQBz55qgDEv.DQ-- X-Received: from [76.99.150.166] by web84301.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:39:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:39:25 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <909458.13152.qm@web84301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.74.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: SCOTT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=275879843; y=4GP7T0Gp9A9K9fXLiEL0CLbRObSi4X1PSX24vJTyqgUfdTD1O-juYpkL7oN5Dg X-Yahoo-Profile: westshore82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why the beef about the name Maverick? Cedar Point built a coaster last year and what did they name it? Maverick. TEC #3802 ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Gallagher To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 7:22:32 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, "Lance" wrote: > > True... though they may run into a copyright problem by trying to use the name Maverick in a ride with a Top Gun style setting, even without using the name. I believe the big issue with copyright infringement is if they believe the issue to be serious enough to cause confusion about if the product is really connected to the copyright. > > Maverick would cause some confusion if it were really Top Gun or not I suppose, especially since the ride was Top Gun... James Garner and Mel Gibson might get upset, too! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mindbenderzzz@comcast.net Sat Jan 05 14:20:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mindbenderzzz@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99479 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 22:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 22:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.48) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 22:20:55 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZVEN1Y00E16AWCU0A0J500; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:20:55 +0000 X-Received: from DDCGZ941 ([66.31.2.248]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZaLX1Y0055M3NQ28S00000; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:20:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=a2PGiEQu-YQA:10 a=lWk7mi2_AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=aWz3NaQfQtW-LVvEF0wA:9 a=v4j1B9WvFZlJ-_fg5dgA:7 a=RTARmuN_MXqB7LZqXo3IpPpT0UkA:4 a=Wrm7mFK44-cA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=IZhyctVdLesA:10 a=KPV7Ys48g1UA:10 a=8_FUVj4FAAAA:8 a=TdlxYXZ4AAAA:8 a=R7wXaFQ1AAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=F45K5uvYJW4uhDHcIR4A:9 a=BEKcv891jDAljIi18gEA:7 a=KKwFGsS0D5gLG6-rUcWHoEDoRu8A:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=NDnIziN1gFQA:10 a=WD2S8eiFAUIA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <000c01c84fe8$fee77dd0$0501a8c0@DDCGZ941> To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:19:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "mindbenderzzz" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Florida Residents Save on Disney Park Visits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160577448; y=InQ-DTLQ8c5ucb6Uz6GE8-S9uuUu6D0z3RTqfEKRTFPbY3YVpTic5fWd X-Yahoo-Profile: gdterrapinflyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can a florida resident buy tickets for non residents or are they only to be used by residents ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Florida Residents Save on Disney Park Visits Jan. 03, 2008 The Centre Daily Times http://www.centredaily.com/living/travel/story/308185.html LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Florida residents whose dream is to save money on Disney theme park visits can have it come true in early 2008. Walt Disney World Resort has kicked off the new year with a limited-time special offer that saves guests more than 20% off the price of a Florida Resident Disney Play 4 Days Pass (P4DP) -- a ticket that is a good deal even when normally priced. During January and February, Floridians can purchase a P4DP for $125 plus tax (the pass costs $105 +tax for children ages 3-9). Then, for 6 months from first use, they can visit a Disney theme park on any 4 days. On each day of use, the guest can choose to visit either Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Disney's Animal Kingdom or Disney's Hollywood Studios. "What better way to begin 2008 than to give FL residents a special ticket to come enjoy the kickoff of the 'Year of a Million Dreams' celebration," said Jim Alessandro, senior VP of marketing at WDW Resort. "And with new entertainment premiering throughout the spring and into the summer, this pass can become Floridians' ticket to be among the first to experience our new fun." The special price is available through Feb. 29. Thereafter, the FL Resident P4DP will be $159 -- still less than $40 a day to enjoy a Disney theme park experience. The Disney P4DP is available for purchase by calling 407/WDW-4DAYS (939-4329). FL Resident tickets are also available at WDW theme park ticket windows and Resort hotel locations, FL AAA offices and FL Disney Stores. Proof of FL residency is required. ----------- Copyright 2008 The Centre Daily Times [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Jan 05 15:23:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34853 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 23:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 23:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 23:23:38 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so12574362pyb.5 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:23:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.96.6 with SMTP id y6mr38513410qbl.24.1199575417121; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:23:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.191.10 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:23:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801051523n35562844se2356c2bc94e5f3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:23:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <909458.13152.qm@web84301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <909458.13152.qm@web84301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=7KGQArLqh4inOeJZ_ojrkzGPj8ajGwUcN2v0K_Df1F0anjk1mw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, that was the joke. On Jan 5, 2008 11:39 AM, SCOTT wrote: > Why the beef about the name Maverick? Cedar Point built a coaster last > year and what did they name it? Maverick. > > TEC > #3802 > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mike Gallagher > > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 7:22:32 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at > Carowinds > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, "Lance" wrote: > > > > True... though they may run into a copyright problem by trying to use > the name Maverick in a ride with a Top Gun style setting, even without > using the name. I believe the big issue with copyright infringement is > if they believe the issue to be serious enough to cause confusion about > if the product is really connected to the copyright. > > > > Maverick would cause some confusion if it were really Top Gun or not > I suppose, especially since the ride was Top Gun... > > James Garner and Mel Gibson might get upset, too! > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 05 18:30:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90498 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.241.148 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: The new Geocities site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=vSkBoyITdNEL4FDbwGELfI5uaK6i6Qia2ysAunGX_0HuBNWvLzPb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Hi folks. I've been tinkering with the old Geocities site for RollerCoasterTalk, trying to spruce it up a bit. It's got a ways to go yet, but you can check out the progress here: Jay From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Jan 06 08:10:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14109 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 16:10:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 16:10:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 16:10:42 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so1654825ana.82 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:10:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.57.6 with SMTP id f6mr27420442ana.113.1199635838580; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:10:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.102.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b18sm24884260ana.14.2008.01.06.08.10.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:10:37 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:10:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: AchQfq2vlvvddVNZRm+qoEHHF7T2Cg== Message-ID: <4780fd7d.1235640a.5823.ffff8ddf@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: MOA Webcam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=U1FkXonEX6ceCM-_uvWgsfxGzm7pK6vsp2qZ_ere1Lleq3w X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who have not seen it, MOA has a webcam up for the new Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter. You can see it at: http://info.theparkatmoa.com/Hours/RockPlunge.htm Right now the magnetic reducing brakes, storage track, station drives, and the base of the lift are all that can be seen. The stand-alone columns are for the track leading into the block brake. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 08:22:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89808 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 16:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 16:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 16:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:22:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:22:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Future of Conneaut Lake Park Unknown X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ack1vUcvy4Zpz7so9DmHbaHfu0ex6FHHGcvwbDUDw-7XjLo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 4, 2008 YourErie.com http://yourerie.com/content/fulltext/?cid=3D6185 by: Sarah Arbogast CONNEAUT LAKE, PA -- Conneaut Lake Park officials say they don't know whether or not the park will reopen this summer. The 116-y.o. amusement park still has a debt of nearly 3 million dollars. Officials say they're currently looking at their options.=20 Local business owners say if the park isn't up and running, the entire community will take a major hit. Stable Pit & Pub owner, Wanda Ramaley, says although she's hopeful the gates will be open, she doesn't think its likely. ------------ Copyright (c) 1998- 2007 Nexstar Broadcasting, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 08:30:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12941 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 16:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 16:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 16:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:30:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:30:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Six Flags alcohol license not amusing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pvC9ZINHJJCxp2xCkLrYPOw5_84ndKi24Xkk7kOreunzLG0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 4, 2008 The Frisco Enterprise Star http://www.friscoenterprise.com/articles/2008/01/06/frisco_enterprise/news/= a-newsfri76.txt By Rebecca Messmann ARLINGTON, TX -- Recently it came to everyone's attention that our favorite local amusement park, Six Flags Over Texas (6FOT), had applied for a liquor license in order to serve adult beverages at 6FOT and Hurricane Harbor. To be fair, I say "adult beverages" but they are reporting that while the license would allow them to serve any type of alcohol, their intentions are to only serve beer. I don't go to 6FOT as often as my husband does and I am not a big fan of roller coasters so he is the designated amusement park parent=1E but even so, it is a favorite place for my family and close enough to make a Saturday really fun and exciting without the hassle of a long drive added to the long lines. So, it is a place that I keep on my radar screen and when changes come along have to decide whether I like them or not and whether the latest change will keep my family away. This is one of those changes that could affect whether we keep going to 6FOT. Now I have to admit, there is nothing like a cold Coors in an ice cold bottle on a hot Texas day to bring a smile to my face. But, that's in my back yard n not in a public place that is frequented in the vast majority by children. And, I can handle 1 beer not 2-3. And, even after one I am not too sure that I could handle a roller coaster or that you would want to be sitting behind me through the first loop. See, it is more than someone getting a little drunk and causing a scene. It's the logistics of what happens if they lose it, both literally and figuratively. The 6FOT folks have held up examples such as Schlitterbahn, in New Braunfels, TX, and even Disney as good examples of parks that have served alcohol for a while now with no apparent problems. Well, that's all well and good. But, I won't jump off a bridge just because someone else does it. And, I don't in particularly like the idea of keeping up with the Joneses. So, that's not a really good argument in my book. Those places are not in my back yard and not a place that is most likely to be filled with my friends, family and neighbors who may pay the consequences if someone has a few too many to drink. But, again to be fair, other people's friends, family and neighbors are going to those places and everything seems to be OK. What is it about selling a little beer that has us all in an uproar? I am sure there will be a process through which adults will go through to purchase it and yes I am sure some teens will try and succeed in getting served, too. But is that any different than going to the Taste of Addison or most any 4th of July event? I am also sure that there will be security measures in place if someone has one too many. And, pretty sure you won't see folks wandering around with open beer bottles guzzling like there is no tomorrow. Still, I cringe at the thought. For some reason it just does not feel like the right thing to do. Why do you need alcohol at an amusement park? Shoot, doesn't riding one of those blasted roller coasters get your adrenaline going more than any beer ever could? Don't you get a sense of detachment when flung to the outer corners of the rail as if you might just be flung off into Never Never Land? And, I am sure, whether you admit it or not, sometimes when you get off one of those loop-de-loop thingamajigs you feel a little bit like you do the morning after a good binge. So, if you can get the same feeling by standing in line for a while to ride a coaster why do you need to buy a drink to do it? Nope, it just does not feel like the right thing to do. Unfortunately, my opinion as always counts only in this column which I control, and in this case yours probably does, too. While, we don't really get a vote on whether 6FOT will be granted the ability to serve alcohol, we can at least voice our opinion. You can check out the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission's Web site at www.tabc.state.tx to find out how. For once, I would just like the Dallas area to be a little different and not do something just because it could affect the bottom line, but because it is the right thing to do. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Star Community Newspapers From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 08:36:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37431 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 16:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 16:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 16:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:36:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:36:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:36:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:36:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point jobs open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TyxFBH8a3YjkJyDbiGb_7IDa--T3edp86CayPQm3_Vamb38 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 5, 2008 The Detroit News http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080105/BIZ/801050362 SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Point amusement park/resort, home of the world's largest collection of rides and roller coasters, is hiring for its 139th summer. More than 4,000 jobs are available at the Sandusky, OH, park voted the "Best Amusement Park in the World" for 10 consecutive years by the readers of the Amusement Today newspaper. For details, call (800) 668-JOBS or visit cedarpoint.com. ------------- =A9 Copyright 2008 The Detroit News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 08:43:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74609 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 16:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 16:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 16:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 16:43:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:43:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_APJfvXtI7Go_XZ5j-eriEF0b48AD-vXwnXYXn-DVlf2zeo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 4, 2008 The Associated Press KETK-NBC http://www.ketknbc.com/news/local/13067442.html ARLINGTON, TX -- After officials at Six Flags Over Texas (6FOT) revealed their intention to sell alcohol at the amusement park, about 60 people showed up at a meeting last night in Arlington to find out how to protest the decision. 6FOT and Six Flags Hurricane Harbor posted notification last month that the parks were applying for liquor licenses. Following that posting, the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission got more than 600 phone calls, so yesterday's information meeting was scheduled. The intent of the meeting was to tell the public how to formally protest the applications, but residents spent most of the time expressing displeasure that a mixed-beverage permit could be issued for the parks. That's according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. A TABC official says dozens of written protests have already been received and he expects there will be a public hearing on the 6FOT applications. 6FOT officials, who say that "moms and dads" are the ones who have asked 6FOT to offer beer, said that the company will have controls in place to sell beer responsibly. -------- Copyright =A9 2008 KETK-TV Copyright 2006 ComCorp of Tyler Inc. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 10:27:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61899 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 18:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 18:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 18:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 18:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 18:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 18:26:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:26:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=hIpjDB-sS0nCB-2JaKCqOF0uLFBlT40myzVbVQAJt4ptBiLFLiFZ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck =20 > 6FOT officials, who say that "moms and dads" are the ones who have > asked 6FOT to offer beer, said that the company will have controls in > place to sell beer responsibly. Yeah, the same controls they have in place now to make sure that lines=20 move smoothly, food is served fast and hot, and rides are operated=20 safely. Namely, the wonderful group of employees that 6F already has... yeah... I love beer and all, but I don't really think serving it at a theme=20 park is a good idea. That's all I need is some drunk asshole throwing=20 up on me and the 28 people behind him on Titan. Quackin chicken, -Brian F. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 10:36:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12164 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 18:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 18:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 18:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 18:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 18:36:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:36:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0801041849n466bce60p19b370ccdff340b1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=kBi6og_VGbVVOwkEMoNAH3hfDPLd9ABBD97FM3YQAK7TzRwXci2p X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > Yeah... and if there's one thing Brian has never spent time in=20 before, it's > a cockpit of a plane. :-D >=20=20 > -Josh > > I may be off on this, but I don't believe the flight deck and the > > cockpit(P.C. I'm not) are the same thing. > > > > Mike Shh... don't tell anyone... everyone here still thinks I'm a flight=20 attendant. (P.C. for "galley wench") At least according to that=20 little argument with that Eric Giesel guy. (Is that who that guy=20 was? I can't remember.) Quackin chicken, -Brian F. P.S. I'm only kidding about that galley wench thing... P.P.S. What's the difference between a flight attendant and a=20 washing machine? From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 12:17:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68990 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 20:17:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2008 20:17:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 20:17:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 20:17:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 20:17:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2008 20:17:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:17:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.241.148 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Another backyard coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=LzV6wiRBxNvgiLPuz-71CtoNhtAkMduMw6nSjt_cFZJEgOdhSQSK X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Not many hills on this one, and that car looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen. But it shows another resourceful coaster lover: Jay From lance@screamscape.com Sun Jan 06 17:25:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17787 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 01:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 01:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta16.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 01:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72613FD3A for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:25:23 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.4774535f.578369 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:25:23 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHgX+DA0hdHwIAAAAB,7e8d4a02fd3a20a8225ff4247711b9ff Message-ID: <8E6F2623A3C647C8BA70DE24D58F7876@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:25:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=LXhBaTEVFLEhRexhr2VvcsQo81l73qV8o7PLm-z7VKCFbKnQDk5ftJI1GQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> 6FOT officials, who say that "moms and dads" are the ones who have >> asked 6FOT to offer beer, said that the company will have controls in >> place to sell beer responsibly. > >I love beer and all, but I don't really think serving it at a theme >park is a good idea. That's all I need is some drunk asshole throwing >up on me and the 28 people behind him on Titan. Boy, and all this time I thought Texans knew how to handle their beer! :-) Who would have thought such a fight over the right to sell beer in a theme park would have come from Texas when the sale of beer is fairly common at a great number of theme parks across the country, including Disney. In fact, I believe the only Disney parks that do not sell alchohol at all are the origional Disneyland (unless you can get into Club 33...) and the Magic Kingdom in Florida, otherwise every other park and nearby Disney resort sells it. From coastermanokc@cox.net Sun Jan 06 18:04:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87273 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 02:04:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 02:04:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.240.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 02:04:09 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080107020409.EXPH476.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:04:09 -0500 X-Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([68.229.223.145]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id a23X1Y00438qQsL0000000; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:03:32 -0500 To: References: <8E6F2623A3C647C8BA70DE24D58F7876@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:04:02 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c850d1$93d8b920$91dfe544@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <8E6F2623A3C647C8BA70DE24D58F7876@ScreamscapeHP> Thread-index: AchQzDAQqmq4naSjTf6V/6y2zUYvGQABQQeg X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=ixq35bsu2vo0IaL5RttoDrShtYTTxfbWYeoYVJhfB7b-a0LZDOe7uQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And I think SFOT may be one of the only Six Flags parks NOT to sell alcohol. I wouldn't buy it because it would cost me a couple of arms and legs anyway. Michael Lopez _____ From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:26 PM To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales >> 6FOT officials, who say that "moms and dads" are the ones who have >> asked 6FOT to offer beer, said that the company will have controls in >> place to sell beer responsibly. > >I love beer and all, but I don't really think serving it at a theme >park is a good idea. That's all I need is some drunk asshole throwing >up on me and the 28 people behind him on Titan. Boy, and all this time I thought Texans knew how to handle their beer! :-) Who would have thought such a fight over the right to sell beer in a theme park would have come from Texas when the sale of beer is fairly common at a great number of theme parks across the country, including Disney. In fact, I believe the only Disney parks that do not sell alchohol at all are the origional Disneyland (unless you can get into Club 33...) and the Magic Kingdom in Florida, otherwise every other park and nearby Disney resort sells it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 04:09:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81015 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 12:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 12:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 12:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2008 12:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2008 12:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2008 12:09:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:09:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0801041849n466bce60p19b370ccdff340b1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Top Gun and Borg get new names at Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=qcKpuiXZRm6Ud-cP1HwdSCy56ut4N26JVKV-8K30aw0e9z5Xcg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I agree. The Flight Deck is the place on an aircraft carrier where=20 planes land and take off.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Yeah... and if there's one thing Brian has never spent time in=20 before, it's > a cockpit of a plane. :-D >=20 >=20 > -Josh >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jan 4, 2008 7:25 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: >=20 > > > As for the name "Flight deck," eh... I would prefer if they=20 used the > > > original term, but it's not P.C. anymore. I won't repeat it=20 here to > > > risk offending anyone, but it contains the words "pit"=20 and "cock." > > Not > > > nessecarilly in that order. > > > > > > Quackin' Chicken, > > > -Brian F. > > > > > I may be off on this, but I don't believe the flight deck and the > > cockpit(P.C. I'm not) are the same thing. > > > > Mike > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jan 07 05:28:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84116 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 13:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 13:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 13:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-187.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.187] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JBs2C-0008C6-NW for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <47822882.2080503@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:26:26 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <8E6F2623A3C647C8BA70DE24D58F7876@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <8E6F2623A3C647C8BA70DE24D58F7876@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47850561ff51fa964bb4c0ccecab69d1469d817c6d8370ce082350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=nopBjTMgw9FBpwvgFYqWXt8Q_qWVIDf1Sj1fINP3jOuCsew X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance wrote: > > > >> 6FOT officials, who say that "moms and dads" are the ones who have > >> asked 6FOT to offer beer, said that the company will have controls in > >> place to sell beer responsibly. > > > >I love beer and all, but I don't really think serving it at a theme > >park is a good idea. That's all I need is some drunk asshole throwing > >up on me and the 28 people behind him on Titan. > > Boy, and all this time I thought Texans knew how to handle their beer! :-) Actually, doesn't shock me at all that Texas would be the place to fight over it- especially in light of how much of Texas is still "dry". I want to guess that half of TX doesn't allow alcohol sales within their county, including the couple that we lived in during the 2 years we were there. Of course that just meant that people drove over to the next county to buy their booze, and bought more at once so they wouldn't have to go as often... > > Who would have thought such a fight over the right to sell beer in a theme > park would have come from Texas when the sale of beer is fairly common > at a great number of theme parks across the country, including Disney. > In fact, I believe the only Disney parks that do not sell alchohol at all > are > the origional Disneyland (unless you can get into Club 33...) and the Magic > Kingdom in Florida, otherwise every other park and nearby Disney resort > sells it. > I'm pretty sure you're right. And generally people aren't going to get drunk at the parks- at least not with the very high prices they charge for the drinks. Although it does happen. There were times that I had to deal with drunks when I was a driver on Rhino Rally- most of the time not bad but there were a couple of moments there. And of course there are those that think that "drinking around the world" at Epcot is great fun, though handling them at the end of the day isn't. But they're the rare exception. In my experience I found the worst drinkers and drunks over at Universal, especially during the beer festival (ughhh) But even then it wasn't that bad in the parks. keep on ridin George From lance@screamscape.com Mon Jan 07 06:10:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98663 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7747F427EA for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:10:27 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.4774535f.5d61e5 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:10:26 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHgjLSY8wl7wIAAAAB,54372e7c9891ce320f4549df08a208db Message-ID: To: References: <8E6F2623A3C647C8BA70DE24D58F7876@ScreamscapeHP> <47822882.2080503@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <47822882.2080503@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:10:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=0Mp62c5wYnIeQnOk7FUwx-moBQpN2yFZwLf1tX5BNnzid5gBoGp5Nuaobw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: george burnash Lance wrote: > Boy, and all this time I thought Texans knew how to handle their beer! :-) Actually, doesn't shock me at all that Texas would be the place to fight over it- especially in light of how much of Texas is still "dry". I want to guess that half of TX doesn't allow alcohol sales within their county, including the couple that we lived in during the 2 years we were there. ------ Wow... shows how much I know. I had no idea there were "dry" sections in Texas. To here the people I've known from San Antonio and Dallas talk, you can practicly buy beer through the drive-thrus. My bad... Of course, I'm semi-sheltered... I didn't know any "dry counties" still existed until I moved to North Carolina. As I recall growing up in SoCal, the only times you can't buy is between 2am and 6am and in Vegas it's legal 24 hours. Florida had some more restrictive timelines to buy beer... and I'm still not over the fact that you can't just buy your hard booze in the grocery stores or at Costcos in Florida or North Carolina. Of course, I guess that's why people often drive to South Carolina to pick up the cheaper booze from general liquor stores instead of these state controlled "ABC Stores" here in NC. We had one ABC Store in San Diego that I recall growing up, but it was just a nasty little beach area liquor store that got a rep for selling booze to underage kids. ;-) Okay... now I've gone way off topic. I'll stop... sorry. From srhnewburn@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 06:26:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: srhnewburn@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95811 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 14:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 14:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web58214.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 14:26:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40655 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2008 14:25:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IBF5eG0VM1loRgJdI2MU5vH.9gb4Q6PEMHGfnXkY9KCDXuPz8TzbbeqPSKvyllkoGOdBkY9CeK_.9R2tqq_5MOWis4oSjIpYpVOwqFlH1k7Vif3dgNc- X-Received: from [79.67.43.203] by web58214.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:25:58 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:25:58 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <512994.36934.qm@web58214.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.236.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: sarah newburn Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=305426101; y=7GK4DFPbfO-DjNOiaZ9Jq82-zfF7Jkufzzyw3ddUKcDFRvxyBw X-Yahoo-Profile: srhnewburn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Lance wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: george burnash Lance wrote: > Boy, and all this time I thought Texans knew how to handle their beer! :-) Actually, doesn't shock me at all that Texas would be the place to fight over it- especially in light of how much of Texas is still "dry". I want to guess that half of TX doesn't allow alcohol sales within their county, including the couple that we lived in during the 2 years we were there. ------ Wow... shows how much I know. I had no idea there were "dry" sections in Texas. To here the people I've known from San Antonio and Dallas talk, you can practicly buy beer through the drive-thrus. My bad... Of course, I'm semi-sheltered... I didn't know any "dry counties" still existed until I moved to North Carolina. As I recall growing up in SoCal, the only times you can't buy is between 2am and 6am and in Vegas it's legal 24 hours. Florida had some more restrictive timelines to buy beer... and I'm still not over the fact that you can't just buy your hard booze in the grocery stores or at Costcos in Florida or North Carolina. Of course, I guess that's why people often drive to South Carolina to pick up the cheaper booze from general liquor stores instead of these state controlled "ABC Stores" here in NC. We had one ABC Store in San Diego that I recall growing up, but it was just a nasty little beach area liquor store that got a rep for selling booze to underage kids. ;-) Okay... now I've gone way off topic. I'll stop... sorry. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sampathphd2007@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 08:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sampathphd2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74277 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 16:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 16:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 16:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2008 16:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2008 16:34:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:34:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 141.225.144.153 From: "sampathphd2007" Subject: Research on Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=332175590; y=sSl87zlRAwfR6Qxs2HQLubMVdoE0BOTeoDUApcROoQqUT4sNmr36_Tw X-Yahoo-Profile: sampathphd2007 Hi all, I am new to this group.I am posting this message with the permission=20 of the group owner. I am a doctoral student in marketing at University of Memphis,TN.I=20 am doing my doctoral research on customer loyalty towards amusement=20 parks. I thought that it might be a good idea to share relevant=20 details about it here. =20 Firms usually come up with strategies like frequent flier miles and=20 loyalty cards to build customer loyalty. While such strategies bring=20 in short term sales, they are not effective in winning customers'=20 minds.Many customers are loyal to such firms as long as the deal=20 isgood.So it is not surprising that defection rate in such companies'=20 is around 70-90%. =20 The idea of my dissertation is that you cannot but loyalty,but have=20 to earn it.Loyalty is not just behavior,but also has an emotional=20 dimension.Loyalty built on emotion endures longer than loyalty built=20 on loyalty cards.For example customer loyalty for firms like Disney=20 is based on emotions.So it will last longer than customer loyalty for=20 a firm like Macy's. =20 It is easy to hypothesize this, but proving it is an altogether=20 different task .To prove this I have to measure customer loyalty and=20 emotional bonds in Disney and Macy's and find out whether emotional=20 bonds and loyalty for disney is relatively higher than that of Macy's. =20 I have hosted my questionnaire on survey monkey, the research=20 website.If you want to have a look at my questionnaire on Disney and=20 how I measure loyalty,emotional bonds,service quality of Disney you=20 are more than welcome to do so. =20 Survey URl: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=3DLp8UyCKrrrdor9_2fszrOCrA_3d_3d =20 If you want to participate in this survey, you are most welcome to do=20 so.None of your personal details are collected(except age,=20 gender).Further from research funds,for every 75 respondents, one=20 lucky winner will get $50.If 75 respondents come from=20 RollerCoasterTalk group,I will run a seperate raffle for this group. (Maximum of 5 winners) =20 I would like to thank the moderators of RollerCoasterTalk group for=20 permiting me to post this message in the group.Your participation in=20 this survey will help this research to a great extent. =20 Regards Sampath Ranganathan Doctoral Student in Marketing A320 Fogelman College of Business and Economics University of Memphis TN-38152 USA Email: sampathphd2007@yahoo.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 13:14:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90414 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 21:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 21:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 21:14:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81172 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2008 21:14:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UmV3cdkVM1kFZCQsIXJ1QQ7gSJqIr4n0_koAlwPCtX5iQGm2wQFsCwr8eo0FaLE6oV_mvT8FaPRZFN0TQmGIMg4n2kIK5ng3hh8.f6EBPlaCE.QUXgs- X-Received: from [72.70.241.148] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:14:08 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:08 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <242806.5320.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Whalom in Nigeria X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=BifFYuQfEQTumFmd2gSOnPkGw28ToDT-1dUIdbde_2Tv4PQA89kb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like Scott Lanciani's e-mail address has been co-opted by a Nigerian spammer. So if any of you are with the New Whalom Park Ownership Program, beware. I wrote back to Scott about his "emergency" e-mail I received and got this as a reply: Hello, I want you to know that i really need your help and i want you to know that you are the person that can help me out of the situation and i want you to know that i have contact the Embassy and i was told that i will be given another Document with passport,So that i can come back to the country and i was told by them that i must pay the hotel fees myself and i want you to help me with $800,So that i can use it to pay the hotel fees and i want you to know that i promise you that when i get back to the country and i will pay you back the money immidately,I want you to know that you will have to sent the money to my name that i email to you via western union and get back to me immidately you sent the money,So that i can confirm it and pay the hotel fees.I want you to get back to me as soon as you sent the money today. Senders Name:::::::::: Recievers Name:::::::::Scott Lanciani Recievers Location::::::Lagos Nigeria Test Question:::: To Who Answer::::::::::: Scott Amount::::::::::::::::::$800 Mtcn Number::::::::::::: ? Thanks Scott Lanciani --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 13:24:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60676 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 21:24:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 21:24:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 21:24:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76654 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2008 21:24:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _dx8JMkVM1n9jTKa0p5KX8WE2dRgCqelm.4XcBhnsAkYwlsTqgXw2dyi41UhxIs9XrvUpoVa2o_2SLYjks3TUqp13a8M7ye0hGGSsIwxt__OYNQISypsEqVD8avbGGms_R1IiLWggyUXRbE- X-Received: from [72.70.241.148] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:24:32 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:24:32 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1199722703.132.43337.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <452951.76381.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags considers alcohol sales X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=_YP9YCR7C3q_hKrHY57gnC5MtruzOn3z0RTVEs_WxgdMA5hRuVh5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 6FOT officials, who say that "moms and dads" are the ones who have > asked 6FOT to offer beer, said that the company will have controls in > place to sell beer responsibly. < Whatever. I don't know what all the hoopla is about. Out of all the amusement parks I've been to, very few of them *didn't* sell beer. It's a good profit item for them. Yeah, there are always a few people who drink too much, but that's what park security is for. All parks are in a sense "family" parks. But there are lots of "family" restaurants that sell beer too. If the people of the great state of Texas are so against drinking, then let Six Flags sell beer. When the guests all turn out to be teetotalers then SIx Flags' experiment will go bust. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 17:03:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59287 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2008 01:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2008 01:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.167) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2008 01:03:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50216 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2008 01:03:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: av.AeqQVM1nqSGx304aLQRFWWyZkC3yc87Z1O9G1l.87A0Bdismv7RX8vhfzW9qFB9kPVfxsw_xzb9mpd.U1pfl3w9RHDDQRmvQLfmLJylPciEc- X-Received: from [138.89.128.156] by web35713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:03:16 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:03:16 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <148859.49568.qm@web35713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Research on Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=q7wLLcV2KMX8nq1tiyK14qZf7TzVx0k73ZOo9v-hEBGfYx9Tjv57 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I started to do this, but then I realized it was pointless and inane answering questions about my feelings toward Disneyland, a park I visited ONCE, 29 years ago. I've visited WDW more times, and much more recently, but I wasn't seeing any queries about that park. Maybe they were still to come. Also, typical marketing questions..same questions, different phrasing. Considering the number of typographical errors in your post, I'm glad your doctorate is not in English. Mike sampathphd2007 wrote: Hi all, I am new to this group.I am posting this message with the permission of the group owner. I am a doctoral student in marketing at University of Memphis,TN.I am doing my doctoral research on customer loyalty towards amusement parks. I thought that it might be a good idea to share relevant details about it here. Firms usually come up with strategies like frequent flier miles and loyalty cards to build customer loyalty. While such strategies bring in short term sales, they are not effective in winning customers' minds.Many customers are loyal to such firms as long as the deal isgood.So it is not surprising that defection rate in such companies' is around 70-90%. The idea of my dissertation is that you cannot but loyalty,but have to earn it.Loyalty is not just behavior,but also has an emotional dimension.Loyalty built on emotion endures longer than loyalty built on loyalty cards.For example customer loyalty for firms like Disney is based on emotions.So it will last longer than customer loyalty for a firm like Macy's. It is easy to hypothesize this, but proving it is an altogether different task .To prove this I have to measure customer loyalty and emotional bonds in Disney and Macy's and find out whether emotional bonds and loyalty for disney is relatively higher than that of Macy's. I have hosted my questionnaire on survey monkey, the research website.If you want to have a look at my questionnaire on Disney and how I measure loyalty,emotional bonds,service quality of Disney you are more than welcome to do so. Survey URl: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=Lp8UyCKrrrdor9_2fszrOCrA_3d_3d If you want to participate in this survey, you are most welcome to do so.None of your personal details are collected(except age, gender).Further from research funds,for every 75 respondents, one lucky winner will get $50.If 75 respondents come from RollerCoasterTalk group,I will run a seperate raffle for this group. (Maximum of 5 winners) I would like to thank the moderators of RollerCoasterTalk group for permiting me to post this message in the group.Your participation in this survey will help this research to a great extent. Regards Sampath Ranganathan Doctoral Student in Marketing A320 Fogelman College of Business and Economics University of Memphis TN-38152 USA Email: sampathphd2007@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jan 07 17:17:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45273 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2008 01:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2008 01:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2008 01:17:35 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so11186909pyb.6 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:17:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.149.15 with SMTP id w15mr43667951qbd.59.1199755050431; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:17:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.191.10 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:17:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801071717ge9a1e98v11e700b051cdad09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:17:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <148859.49568.qm@web35713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <148859.49568.qm@web35713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Research on Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=auz0MTHhatf51p8myZDTEadPuS98PoCy9RBjvPufUxCEQvp9uA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just completed it, and it felt like a lot of the same question over and over, with slightly different wording. IE. Disneyland is a good value, Disneyland offers a lot for the price, Disneyland is comparable in price to others around it, etc... Josh On Jan 7, 2008 8:03 PM, Michael Gallagher wrote: > I started to do this, but then I realized it was pointless and inane > answering questions about my feelings toward Disneyland, a park I visited > ONCE, 29 years ago. I've visited WDW more times, and much more recently, but > I wasn't seeing any queries about that park. Maybe they were still to come. > Also, typical marketing questions..same questions, different phrasing. > > Considering the number of typographical errors in your post, I'm glad your > doctorate is not in English. > > Mike > > sampathphd2007 > > wrote: > Hi all, > > I am new to this group.I am posting this message with the permission > of the group owner. > > I am a doctoral student in marketing at University of Memphis,TN.I > am doing my doctoral research on customer loyalty towards amusement > parks. I thought that it might be a good idea to share relevant > details about it here. > > Firms usually come up with strategies like frequent flier miles and > loyalty cards to build customer loyalty. While such strategies bring > in short term sales, they are not effective in winning customers' > minds.Many customers are loyal to such firms as long as the deal > isgood.So it is not surprising that defection rate in such companies' > is around 70-90%. > > The idea of my dissertation is that you cannot but loyalty,but have > to earn it.Loyalty is not just behavior,but also has an emotional > dimension.Loyalty built on emotion endures longer than loyalty built > on loyalty cards.For example customer loyalty for firms like Disney > is based on emotions.So it will last longer than customer loyalty for > a firm like Macy's. > > It is easy to hypothesize this, but proving it is an altogether > different task .To prove this I have to measure customer loyalty and > emotional bonds in Disney and Macy's and find out whether emotional > bonds and loyalty for disney is relatively higher than that of Macy's. > > I have hosted my questionnaire on survey monkey, the research > website.If you want to have a look at my questionnaire on Disney and > how I measure loyalty,emotional bonds,service quality of Disney you > are more than welcome to do so. > > Survey URl: > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=Lp8UyCKrrrdor9_2fszrOCrA_3d_3d > > If you want to participate in this survey, you are most welcome to do > so.None of your personal details are collected(except age, > gender).Further from research funds,for every 75 respondents, one > lucky winner will get $50.If 75 respondents come from > RollerCoasterTalk group,I will run a seperate raffle for this group. > (Maximum of 5 winners) > > I would like to thank the moderators of RollerCoasterTalk group for > permiting me to post this message in the group.Your participation in > this survey will help this research to a great extent. > > Regards > Sampath Ranganathan > Doctoral Student in Marketing > A320 Fogelman College of Business and Economics > University of Memphis > TN-38152 > USA > Email: sampathphd2007@yahoo.com > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 08 08:48:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37766 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2008 16:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2008 16:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2008 16:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 16:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 16:48:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:48:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Disney Announces Big Change at Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2fKYuj0JFkCHUC7drGKecXJqNbViQcpojIVAe0SbL3SdaxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 7, 2008 WESH-2 News Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/wesh/20080107/lo_wesh/14991059 LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Disney is making a major change to one of its Orlando theme parks. Beginning on Monday, Disney-MGM Studios will change its name to Disney's Hollywood Studios. Disney officials said the name change reflects the theme park's celebration of the golden age of movies, as well as the new entertainment that today's Hollywood offers in music, television, movies and theater. Some new attractions will open at the theme park in 2008, including a cutting-edge interactive attraction, a live-action stage show and a parade. Officials said the name change also puts an end to a legal dispute with the MGM film company. ---------- Copyright =A9 2008 WESH NewsChannel2000.com Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 08 08:54:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95615 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2008 16:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2008 16:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2008 16:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 16:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 16:54:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:54:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Area grows as hub for park operations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9xURDih-tBbkhVeYfTWP2F6R2ATwZKDiD8eOahUJ-8Zp_To X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 7, 2008 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/tourism/orl-parksrail0708jan= 07,0,6604539.story?track=3Drss By Scott Powers ORLANDO, FL -- Orlando gains more credence as the world's theme park center this summer when Busch Entertainment Corp. (BEC) transfers its headquarters and several dozen executive jobs from St. Louis. With that operational shift, plus the worldwide headquarters of Universal Parks & Resorts, many of the top executives for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, and 7 of the world's 17 busiest theme parks, Orlando is becoming a place where the industry's top managers are likely to bump into each other at the supermarket. That's one reason BEC is leaving St. Louis for Orlando, VP Joseph Couceiro said. "What it does is allow all our corporate staff to be immersed in this community and this industry. Having done it myself -- I've lived in St. Louis and Orlando -- it's not just about being able to walk into the parks, it's being able to ... go to Publix and run into somebody else in the industry," he said. "Let's face it, Orlando is already the hub of tourism in the US, and will become more so." The move by BEC -- a wholly owned subsidiary of Anheuser-Busch Cos., one of the world's largest beer makers -- should be competed by mid-summer, bringing as many as 55 executives and other staff. The move was preceded by the elevation of several SeaWorld executives to corporate positions, including Couceiro and former SeaWorld GM Jim Atchison, now BEC's president and COO. The company has 10 theme parks and water parks, 26,000 employees, and is expected to generate about $1.3 billion in revenue in the next fiscal year. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 08 09:01:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80736 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2008 17:01:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2008 17:01:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2008 17:01:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 17:01:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 17:01:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 17:01:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:01:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hundreds queue for 2,000 free tickets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=z9NAsipKQYibjBKIjVilzzX9stlbZJ8DiSxjqCu_44x9siY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2008/01/08 The New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/National/2126753/Article/ind= ex_html MALACCA, MALAYSIA -- The queue outside the New Straits Times office in Taman Melaka Raya stretched for as far as 50m as hundreds of Berita Harian readers lined up to redeem free tickets for the Genting Highlands outdoor theme park. http://www.genting.com.my/en/themepark/ All they had to do to be eligible for the free tickets was to collect 31 Berita Harian mastheads from Dec 1 to 31. Many of them had travelled great distances and waited in line for hours to get the tickets for the outdoor theme park treat. NSTP tele-add representative Alice Quake, who was in charge of the redemption counter yesterday, said all 2,000 tickets were given out within 2 hours. "The counter only opened at 10am, but the crowd had started to gather in front of the office as early as 8am," she said. She added that all the tickets were snapped up by noon. Aziz Abdul Rahman said he had travelled more than 50km from his home in Muar, Johor, and waited in line for more than 2 hours to collect 5 tickets. "My relatives helped me collect the mastheads," said the 43-y.o. Public Works Department technician. Mohd Noh Yaakop, 26, who works the night shift in a factory said he came straight from work to redeem 17 tickets. "I haven't slept a wink the whole night as I was eager to grab a few tickets ," he said. -------------- Copyright =A9 2007 NST Online From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 08 09:05:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93435 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney bans children from fanciest park restaurant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JQ1_8oHXM4f8wO-UfGtheHCmYoH9tWoiy7LMKuVIzovk6ts X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 6th January 2008 The West Australian http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=3D27&ContentID=3D53321 LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Walt Disney World has banned young children from its fanciest restaurant. Starting this week, children under 10 are no longer welcome at Victoria & Albert's in the Grand Floridian Resort & Spa at the Florida theme park. "We want to be the restaurant that's available for that adult experience," said GM Israel Perez. Disney is responding to guests' desires, Rosemary Rose, Disney's VP for food, beverage and merchandise operations, told the Orlando Sentinel newspaper. Rose said only about 3 families a month ever brought young children to Victoria & Albert's, where men are required to wear jackets, and women must wear dresses or pantsuits. Prices start at $US125. It is not the first time Disney has banned children from establishments. Disney has periodically barred children who are not with adults from its Pleasure Island entertainment district and from individual nightclubs. It also has an adults-only restaurant on its 2 cruise ships. -------------- Copyright 2008 West Australian Newspapers Limited From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Jan 08 17:39:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95147 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 01:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 01:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 01:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 01:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 01:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 01:39:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:39:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: UPDATE: Disney Announces Big Change at Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=Jg758c6rRUXSpOJcjUAbaNpfnp6e4UJ_akJtvKoDRdLGAJJdWtIV X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > Disney officials said the name change reflects the theme park's > celebration of the golden age of movies, as well as the new > entertainment that today's Hollywood offers in music, television, > movies and theater. That's a nice example of "corporate speak" for.....(see below) >=20 >=20 > Officials said the name change also puts an end to a legal dispute > with the MGM film company. That couldn't be the PRIMARY reason for the name change now, could it? Mike > ---------- > Copyright =A9 2008 WESH NewsChannel2000.com > Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 07:42:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40130 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 15:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 15:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 15:42:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96887 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2008 15:42:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .eQCfPkVM1mSdTFWJK6dzWqEFlMhXDPvWw9rNVflM8DndX7.TPEqey0i_T1cGcuE1Q-- X-Received: from [134.241.135.70] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:42:14 PST Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:42:14 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk , Dave Anderson , Rich Boehmer MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <694447.96296.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Ultimate Immelman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=BPMZ3n3234aO3CQrUeduoB2dusskeo9Lk-6Pzqey3vVhHN0aaJ6s X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the story of Steve, a journalist who wanted to ride with the Blue Angels. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jan 09 09:31:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60948 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 17:31:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 17:31:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 17:31:27 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C549F422BF for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:31:21 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.476ab11c.b8850b for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:31:10 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHhQTew72hUAIAAAAB,ba57529df04c14430b65f9e2a35fd7c5 Message-ID: <97E5EF7F37734D5480A70A46B47A1ECF@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <694447.96296.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <694447.96296.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:31:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Ultimate Immelman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=vGhDXcY4kFGpDJ9AfgZweAfqjAypmWtypkTTRCUFp167eVZGaxVnexVq4w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those videos are great! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk ; Dave Anderson ; Rich Boehmer Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Ultimate Immelman This is the story of Steve, a journalist who wanted to ride with the Blue Angels. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 10:03:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27431 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 18:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 18:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 18:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:03:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:03:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: On Stage now - Paradise Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ErRXJFoYnZhmvLNr_GiuXMW63e856Yf30Man36qXPXtPhBg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 "Paradise Park" BEGINS FEBRUARY 12! http://www.signaturetheatre.org/onstage.htm CAST: Vanessa Aspillaga, Satya Bhabha, Veanne Cox, Gian-Murray Gianino, William Jackson Harper, Christopher McCann, Paul Mullins, Alan Semok, Laurie Williams Welcome to Paradise Park, an amusement park that opens up into all of America and beyond. Meet the inhabitants of this bizarre carnival of life, including a ventriloquist, his dummy, and a teenage girl on the run. From Futureworld to Londonland, the Grand Canyon to Fred's Polynesian Dive Shop, step right up to this wild ride of fruit cake tosses, underwater ballets, square dances, and star gazing, too. Performance Schedule: February 12 - April 6, 2008 Tuesday at 7pm, Wednesday - Saturday at 8pm, Matinees Saturday & Sunday at 2pm No Performance February 24th in association with True Love Productions By Charles Mee Directed by Daniel Fish Choreography by Peter Pucci ------------- =A9 2006 - 2008 Signature Theatre Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 10:21:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20697 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 18:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 18:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 18:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:21:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:21:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Water park slated to make big splash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=a4LHGPuHyQLuTihPEOqUYrgtKq2Ix8Os8IKU3DRxUFOSbCs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 9, 2008 The Ottawa Sun http://ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndRegion/2008/01/09/4759729-sun.html By Terri Saunders OTTAWA, ONTERIO, CA -- The country's largest water park -- covering 460 acres along Hwy. 417 about 20 minutes east of Ottawa -- is slated to open in the summer of 2009. Sunnyland Amusement Resort is expected to boast more than 2-dozen water slides, a large wave pool and a 700-site campground. The project has been costed at $50 million and is expected to dump $75 million a year into the local economy. "I had the privilege of being one of the first people (the developers) approached when they were exploring different locations," said Jean-Marc Lalonde, MPP for Glengarry-Prescott-Russell. "I wasn't prepared to let them out of my sight once they described their plan." That plan calls for Le Groupe Village Vacances Valcartier to construct the massive complex just north of Hwy. 417, east of the Limoges Rd. exit in Nation Twp. The park is expected to draw 300,000 visitors in its first year and could peak at 12,000 per day when fully operational. -------------- Copyright =A9 2007, Canoe Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 10:25:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71580 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 18:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 18:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 18:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:25:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:25:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags 4Q Revenue Rises 7% X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hrzIeDNmAbXl_s--AKUrlj_koQudFq0n20lof__iUODRDg4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 8, 2008 The Associated Press Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080108/six_flags_revenue.html?.v=3D1 NEW YORK, NY -- Amusement-park operator Six Flags Inc. (6F) expects to slightly exceed its previous financial forecasts after reporting Tuesday that 4th-quarter revenue rose 7%, aided by a 4% increase in attendance. 6F said quarterly revenue climbed to about $111 million from $104 million last year, and attendance rose to 2.8 million from 2.7 million. Analysts expected revenue of $109 million, according to Thomson Financial. In November, 6F said it anticipates 2007 revenue between $965 million and $970 million. The company reported 2006 revenue of $945.7 million. 6F also said sales of season passes for 2008 through the end of December had "increased by a significant double-digit percentage." 6F shares rose 11 cents to $2.02 in premarket trading. ---------- Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 10:29:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20252 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 18:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 18:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 18:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 18:29:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:29:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Website Shows Pyramid Proposal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jNw0TRfN8KB7RJTU8xPFXmCwQR6wIx_U9xncb16S9EQGQN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08 Jan 2008 Fox 13 News http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3D5430510&ver= sion=3D1&locale=3DEN-US&layoutCode=3DTSTY&pageId=3D3.2.1 MEMPHIS, TN -- A new website shows off the plans for an amusement park at the Pyramid. http://pyramidharbor.com/index.htm It's a plan by a local group that wants a shot at redeveloping the Downtown landmark. The future of the Pyramid has been in limbo for a while now. The Greg Erikson Group wants to change that by developing the Pyramid Harbor. The online project features two major areas with themes called "Pyramid Resorts" and "Harbor Island." =20=20=20=20=20 The plan calls for a year-round theme park, upscale retail and dining locations. The website plans boasts of an outdoor amphitheater and 2 hotels. =20=20=20 Right now the city is waiting to see if Bass Pro Shops will ink a deal that will put them in the empty Tomb of Doom. ------------- TM and (c) 2007 Fox Television Stations, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 07:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77083 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 15:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 15:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 15:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2008 15:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2008 15:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2008 15:42:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:42:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tokyo Disneyland cancels parades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=illoF9oaidGtC7nlDT5_x6Gq52fgj59TZFzBhw0tVFvMFng X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 9, 2008 The Associated Press Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_re_as/disneyland_parade_canceled_= 1 By Hiroko Tabuchi URAYASU, CHIBA, JP -- Tokyo Disneyland (TDL) canceled its popular parades for the first time in its 25-year history Wednesday after a 660-pound steel pillar adorned with colorful planets tumbled from a Buzz Lightyear float. The pillar on the float, part of its popular Disney Dreams On Parade, crashed to the ground Tuesday afternoon =97 just yards away from children lined up to watch the twice-daily extravaganza at the theme park. There were screams but no injuries among visitors and the characters on the float, including Buzz, the hero from the 1995 Disney movie "Toy Story," according to the park's operator, Oriental Land Co. (OLC). But TDL is canceling its 2 daily parades while it carries out safety checks, the first time both events have been canceled since the park opened in 1983, according to OLc spokesman Tsutomu Kato. "We'd like to apologize for causing panic," Kato said. The accident came after visitors were evacuated after a small fire broke out on the roof of the Swiss Family Tree House attraction at TDL last week. Nobody was injured, and firefighters extinguished the flames an hour later. The park is investigating both accidents but doesn't yet know what caused them, according to Kato. TDL, the first Disney park to be built outside of the U.S., is one of 2 hugely popular theme parks OLC operates just outside of Tokyo. In 2007, 25.4 million people flocked to TDL and its sister attraction, Disneysea, both just outside the Japanese capital. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 19:01:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65893 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 03:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 03:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 03:01:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58467 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 03:01:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aVob6O0VM1nBTXgsIJHPZa5oz9bQds7HbMf6y3qi_6XImZS_Y3sPQzCOUUDV3X.OI9MmPSM2vJV29pN8KO96x5L.KaG1Uv0AbIqmW1yYQz1ifG.vCvIw9KX.6_DeT.Y9.IxzT6E6P7aXd40- X-Received: from [72.70.241.148] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:01:47 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:01:47 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1199979726.2320.61898.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <259650.56636.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4Q Revenue Rises 7% X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=5XTaaIsEXsrbrrwdTzIuWZBILSJ9N9xeK9ucQ3TGGAuOU7BtGU7x X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 6F said quarterly revenue climbed to about $111 million from $104 million last year, and attendance rose to 2.8 million from 2.7 million. < I'm confused -- is this for the quarter or the entire year? 2,8 million people for an entire year seems pathetic for the chain. The Magic Kingdom alone does about 14 million visitors a year. > 6F shares rose 11 cents to $2.02 in premarket trading. < Yeehaw! Cash in those stocks! Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Jan 10 19:32:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52713 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 03:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 03:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.181) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 03:32:01 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v33so1526910wah.2 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.176.1 with SMTP id y1mr3125698wae.86.1200022321105; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.205.10 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:32:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30801101932w5a5075bt3a7ce902f23dd5ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:32:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <259650.56636.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1199979726.2320.61898.m45@yahoogroups.com> <259650.56636.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4Q Revenue Rises 7% X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=11aWLOuLCu9JqzIUV2zEvACtyNKJUnMxqe67Ty3RvJamk2ar X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons It's for the quarter On Jan 10, 2008 10:01 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > 6F said quarterly revenue climbed to about $111 million from $104 > million last year, and attendance rose to 2.8 million from 2.7 million. < > > I'm confused -- is this for the quarter or the entire year? 2,8 million people for an entire year seems pathetic for the chain. The Magic Kingdom alone does about 14 million visitors a year. > > > 6F shares rose 11 cents to $2.02 in premarket trading. < > > Yeehaw! Cash in those stocks! > > Jay > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing! > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 17:18:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22631 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 01:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 01:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 01:18:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29784 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 01:18:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HjTuA5gVM1n1fpwoJf6HqwOVIHMqhvj4K9mIIraFQWMxyidU2NmVf3TS6qRUazLwIYZ2LGOZv5ZilDrbhDJe9aKQXUgBpbugRnV_m6q8qHS2i1vDzQ1MV8GIZXAlo2xr8R54kgRT6kKU7SU- X-Received: from [72.70.241.148] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:18:21 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:18:21 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1200066530.2345.98171.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <151585.28830.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags 4Q Revenue Rises 7% X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=R9VvJONf7yr3hE5iA0XK41N-sQHu0ZnPBkXEUhRs0z7dzlaQZ-r7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It's for the quarter < Yeah, I figured it had to be. But I wouldn't put anything past Six Flags. :-) The big question of course is whether they'll be able to finally eat away at their huge debt load. Maybe once they pull themselves out of that mess, they'll actually start making money. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. 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--YCalReminder=NzRLE3YSOj1CQQ1200120609-1-- From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 07:47:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85211 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 15:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 15:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 15:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 15:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 15:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 15:47:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:47:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.40.70.116 From: "Matt" Subject: Cedar Point plans Planet Snoopy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=b0k8KGO3xulC8kCiQY8iQtX6lggnQZEpthCU2bZVu8Wr_0djThXceRo X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Cedar Point plans Planet Snoopy SANDUSKY -Part of $5.2 million in improvements this year for Cedar=20 Point amusement park are a new children's area called Planet Snoopy=20 and an extreme sports show in the former dolphin tank site, the=20 company said yesterday. Cedar Fair LP is making $88 million in improvements this year in its=20 Lake Erie park and other amusement and water parks nationwide. Some=20 of the projects were announcement in November, with few details. Planet Snoopy will occupy the former Berenstain Bears Country site=20 and feature seven rides that were at the former Geauga Lake park=20 near Cleveland. The new children's area will have games, a family center with=20 changing areas, and private areas where new mothers can feed their=20 infants. A new Peanuts restaurant featuring a children's only menu=20 will be added. The All Wheels Extreme show in the former aquatic stadium will=20 feature stunt bikers, skateboarders, and inline skaters performing=20 flips and other stunts. Cedar Point also said its Sandcastle Suites hotel will undergo a $3=20 million renovation over the next two years. Toledo Blade From buzzgok@verizon.net Sat Jan 12 08:33:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: buzzgok@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77027 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 16:33:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 16:33:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84311.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.74.190) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 16:33:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33931 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 16:33:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8va6yXkVM1mr07w85SiMCj9VsL5ufBkAlFrBnhgXLyvxfX_uHzY7cDYs82v1tOzRQQ-- X-Received: from [76.99.150.166] by web84311.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:33:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:33:53 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <523692.30714.qm@web84311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.74.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: SCOTT Subject: DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=275879843; y=A3c9cdKjHJHOi3jgDMFjfhUOtTv7ZUg577mV9Rg_rHFHY20G0Hlh_K-IYBWp3A X-Yahoo-Profile: westshore82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just went past DorneyPark yesterday and saw pieces of a rollercoaster laying in the parking lot. I didn't hear any announcements from Dorney as to what new ride they are putting in this year. Has anyone else heard something that I might have missed? Also, being that I work in Hershey, I go past the park everyday. The first pieces of the new coaster, Farenheit arrived this week. TEC #3802 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Jan 12 08:36:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72028 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 16:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 16:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 16:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c66.26160f15 (41812) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:36:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:36:09 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=seHa_pUR1i3FfuZOTwSIiSeKbwP1nZtUQflzw_I5g2HcJCA-7g X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's Voodoo, the new Intamin Impulse coaster. It's the old Steel Venom from Geauga Lake. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 12:46:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14860 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 20:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 20:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 20:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 20:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 20:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 20:46:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:46:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <523692.30714.qm@web84311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=vzAQW4NiCJTQfEzM7AubMAHVXDLPeL7jOgVtVfJXw-3H2p3QTZGR X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Just to expand on Briguy's response..VOODOO will be located on the=20 midway between Laser and Monster, down by the kiddie rides. I already=20 have a VOODOO T-shirt! What color was the track? I wonder if it's been painted yet, or if the=20 color scheme will be the same as it was at Geauga...which I remember as=20 blah...I rode in '05, and I barely remember the color...I think black=20 and purple would be a nice combo.=20 Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Jan 12 14:41:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47873 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 22:41:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 22:41:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 22:41:41 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x19so1963470pyg.24 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:41:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.139.9 with SMTP id r9mr10660918qbn.32.1200177700801; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:41:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.191.10 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:41:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801121441x38d59c52iab09cd983464a1b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:41:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <523692.30714.qm@web84311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=KOPETkbDMbEG1k_cZvhFoEDt1ty10-DpqQyA2o5nVMNHRIsd5g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Painting has commenced. It is Wicked Twister colors, with pink/yellow trains. Based on what a couple of people have said, they are traditional Mardi Gras colors symbolizing voodoo or something of that nature, I'm not entirely family so don't hold me to it. -Josh http://www.dorneypark.com/public/inside_park/rides/thrill_rides/voodoo/gallery/index.cfm?gallery_directory=voodoo&startRow=1&maxRow=111 My apologies if that link breaks. On Jan 12, 2008 3:46 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > Just to expand on Briguy's response..VOODOO will be located on the > midway between Laser and Monster, down by the kiddie rides. I already > have a VOODOO T-shirt! > > What color was the track? I wonder if it's been painted yet, or if the > color scheme will be the same as it was at Geauga...which I remember as > blah...I rode in '05, and I barely remember the color...I think black > and purple would be a nice combo. > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 08:35:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61020 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 16:35:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 16:35:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 16:35:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:35:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:35:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:35:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0801121441x38d59c52iab09cd983464a1b9@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GJNcpkFsCZiyvIZ9OIfDJgR3AlMrqQxFva59oW0uleRHlaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Actually, Traditional Mardi Gras colors are Purple, Green & Gold. However, anything gaudi would probably work! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" wrote: > > Painting has commenced. It is Wicked Twister colors, with pink/yellow > trains. Based on what a couple of people have said, they are traditional > Mardi Gras colors symbolizing voodoo or something of that nature, I'm not > entirely family so don't hold me to it. >=20 > -Josh From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 08:42:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34466 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 16:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 16:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 16:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:42:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:42:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Hotel with integrated theme park planned for KK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dVEOtTyN02ppFqBf7ImQD4921kAaFmBIkvBfFMyVk82lY6o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 14th, 2008 The Borneo Post http://www.theborneopost.com/?p=3D29704 By Joseph Sipalan KOTA KINABALU, SABAH, MALAYSIA -- The company that established the newly-opened KK Box entertainment outlet at Karamunsing Complex here is planning to build a hotel with an integrated theme park here. Rashid Kayum Khan, group director of Kuala Lumpur-based Total Metro Group, said they were currently discussing with the Tourism, Culture and Environment Ministry to build the ambitious project. "We believe the tourism potential here is very great. We are still in discussion with the ministry. Once that is settled, I think together we will start building this hotel within one year," he said at a press conference after the official opening of KK Box by Tourism, Culture and Environment Minister Datuk Masidi Manjun. Rashid, however, declined to reveal the location or the projected budget for the project, citing "strategic" considerations. He noted that the Group was also planning to open up two new hotels in the city to cater to the growing number of tourist arrivals here. "We have great confidence in the tourism industry here because the ministry has shown that it is very keen (to develop the industry)," he said. Masidi said that there was a ready market in Kota Kinabalu to support more entertainment outlets, on top of the spending power of the growing number of foreign tourists. "We have a large number in Kota Kinabalu that can afford to patronise entertainment outlets. "More often then not, you have people going out to places like Kuala Lumpur to patronise entertainment outlets, but if we can provide these services in Kota Kinabalu I don't see why they have to go out of the city," he said. Rashid meanwhile said that the Group expected to be able to recover its RM3.8 million investment in the KK Box outlet within 6 months. "We initially set the target to recover our cost within 8 months, but from the looks of things we may be able to do that in just 6 months. "Prior to the official opening we had our soft opening and over the 3 weeks our earnings had been beyond our expectations, so we are quite confident," he said. Rashid said that their target demographic breakdown would include 40% foreign tourists and 60% local patrons. ----------- Copyright 2008 =A9 The Borneo Post Sdn Bhd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 08:50:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94231 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 16:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 16:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 16:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:50:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:50:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hong Kong wants Disney to bail out struggling park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1V0-scI2OdWBfT5gssKLDqzzrl2pXAOdToQIFT-wTCUVi6E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 14 Jan 2008 Earth Times http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/173228,hong-kong-wants-disney-to-ba= il-out-struggling-park.html By DPA HONG KONG, CHINA -- 70% of Hong Kong (HK) residents believe that the city's troubled Disneyland (HKDL) theme park should expand to draw more visitors, a survey found Monday. However, the same percentage believe that Disney and not the HK government should pay for the expansion of the park, which has had disappointing visitor numbers. The survey by the HK Polytechnic University comes after HKDL had only about 4 million visitors in its 2nd year, down from a below-target 5.2 million in its 1st year of operations. In December, a HK senior government official publicly criticized the 2-y.o. theme park, which cost 3.5 billion US dollars, saying its performance was "not satisfactory." Secretary for Commerce and Economic Development Frederick Ma told legislators the government wanted to see urgent improvements at the park, which was largely funded by public money. HKDL has refused to release attendance figures for the 120-hectare park, citing commercial secrecy, but has admitted to falling short of financing targets. HKDL, the first Disney theme park in China, has been criticized for being too expensive and for being short on attractions compared to sister parks in Paris, Tokyo and the United States. ----------- (c) 2008 Earthtimes.org From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 08:53:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12550 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 16:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 16:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 16:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 16:53:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:53:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Siam Park for sale at Bt5billion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OrANqH2BSKZaN1a2rYHK7OmJxDK67yvwvUAWwrVkRyIz04s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 14, 2008 The Nation http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=3D30062091 BANGKOK, THAILAND -- The owner of Siam Park offered to sell this 26-year-old theme park at Bt5billion. The offer came after the park's Super Spiral waterslide partially collapsed and injured dozens of children on the National Children's Day. A few months ago, a ride at the Siam Park also killed a woman and injured some other victims. The Siam Park spans over 300 rai of land with water park and many garden zones. The Bt5billion sale price include the whole park and all rides there. ---------- (c) 2007 www.nationmultimedia.com From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jan 14 09:13:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18066 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 17:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 17:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.239) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 17:13:19 -0000 X-Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1060869nzi.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.201.1 with SMTP id y1mr3932158rvf.246.1200330798543; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.191.10 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:13:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801140913h4c89915cn7758e690f76fa600@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:13:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0801121441x38d59c52iab09cd983464a1b9@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=HRv84cAEd2w1QPXU57SKomj7OHBFvXiG8ai9Y66SdrR6eO6_zA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, purple, teal and yellow, I guess, are pretty close to purple, teal and gold. :-D The trains are actually purple, with pink stripes at the top. -Josh On Jan 14, 2008 11:35 AM, Alan wrote: > Actually, > Traditional Mardi Gras colors are Purple, Green & Gold. However, > anything gaudi would probably work! > > -Alan > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Josh W" wrote: > > > > Painting has commenced. It is Wicked Twister colors, with pink/yellow > > trains. Based on what a couple of people have said, they are traditional > > Mardi Gras colors symbolizing voodoo or something of that nature, > I'm not > > entirely family so don't hold me to it. > > > > -Josh > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Jan 14 11:45:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15918 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 19:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 19:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 19:45:39 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so1185827ugf.13 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:45:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.248.5 with SMTP id v5mr4175203ugh.17.1200339938449; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:45:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.218.19 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:45:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0801141145h5fcff0acw5f1a90291a681a14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:45:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0801140913h4c89915cn7758e690f76fa600@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0801121441x38d59c52iab09cd983464a1b9@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0801140913h4c89915cn7758e690f76fa600@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=oIZuqSmeY6jZCOZ3jTrhlBEQUwXiy-sqxT-ByWAG6COyru8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Terrible color scheme for a ride named voodoo, I don't care what the reasoning behind it is. With a logo of that caliber I would expect slightly 'darker' colors. But hey, can't complain about a new ride! -mike From buzzgok@verizon.net Mon Jan 14 17:49:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: buzzgok@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94345 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 01:49:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 01:49:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84312.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.74.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 01:49:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55696 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2008 01:49:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 94zTG6sVM1kmggspS59Xod1NTfEbvzSqCk_EmCcX4qONl8inijnJit9ABtGzEA56Rg-- X-Received: from [76.99.150.166] by web84312.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:49:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:49:03 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <151733.54897.qm@web84312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.74.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: SCOTT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=275879843; y=yTiVgUVTz-01DVLv92OMBDlDQqNZzDUc_Rphy0OxN63iFoLJFpjtZNa14PxCmw X-Yahoo-Profile: westshore82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The track sections that I saw, looked yellow. TEC #3802 ----- Original Message ---- From: Josh W To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:13:18 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: DorneyPark Well, purple, teal and yellow, I guess, are pretty close to purple, teal and gold. :-D The trains are actually purple, with pink stripes at the top. -Josh On Jan 14, 2008 11:35 AM, Alan wrote: > Actually, > Traditional Mardi Gras colors are Purple, Green & Gold. However, > anything gaudi would probably work! > > -Alan > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, > "Josh W" wrote: > > > > Painting has commenced. It is Wicked Twister colors, with pink/yellow > > trains. Based on what a couple of people have said, they are traditional > > Mardi Gras colors symbolizing voodoo or something of that nature, > I'm not > > entirely family so don't hold me to it. > > > > -Josh > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jan 14 19:32:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18126 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 03:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 03:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 03:31:59 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so2659996pye.22 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.156.2 with SMTP id i2mr16186350qbo.60.1200367918729; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.191.10 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801141931n65bee89frba3a7d45873f98ac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:31:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <151733.54897.qm@web84312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <151733.54897.qm@web84312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: DorneyPark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=aT7MlAZ92I8CUxJt5IU12IqgncpcyVI18TeOTsZydhwi_XWFPA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Wicked Twister colors. The track is yellow, the supports are teal-green. The only thing that's very different is the train, and that is purple, yellow and pink. -Josh On Jan 14, 2008 8:49 PM, SCOTT wrote: > The track sections that I saw, looked yellow. > > TEC > #3802 > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Josh W > > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:13:18 PM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: DorneyPark > > Well, purple, teal and yellow, I guess, are pretty close to purple, teal > and > gold. :-D > > The trains are actually purple, with pink stripes at the top. > > -Josh > > On Jan 14, 2008 11:35 AM, Alan wrote: > > > Actually, > > Traditional Mardi Gras colors are Purple, Green & Gold. However, > > anything gaudi would probably work! > > > > -Alan > > > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com 40yahoogroups. com>, > > "Josh W" wrote: > > > > > > Painting has commenced. It is Wicked Twister colors, with pink/yellow > > > trains. Based on what a couple of people have said, they are > traditional > > > Mardi Gras colors symbolizing voodoo or something of that nature, > > I'm not > > > entirely family so don't hold me to it. > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keek16@hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 23:18:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keek16@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45803 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 07:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 07:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 07:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:18:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:18:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 58.64.89.100 From: "keekcontrast" Subject: Re: NEWS: Siam Park for sale at Bt5billion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161713400; y=bB3_jWnGx_rAvSdKU1xEfh88VYrUEFenhgkwOyzfo-N9rSmPLYQd X-Yahoo-Profile: keekcontrast --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > > January 14, 2008 > The Nation > http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php? newsid=3D30062091 >=20 >=20 > BANGKOK, THAILAND -- The owner of Siam Park offered to sell this > 26-year-old theme park at Bt5billion. The offer came after the park's > Super Spiral waterslide partially collapsed and injured dozens of > children on the National Children's Day. >=20 > A few months ago, a ride at the Siam Park also killed a woman and > injured some other victims. >=20 > The Siam Park spans over 300 rai of land with water park and many > garden zones. The Bt5billion sale price include the whole park and all > rides there. > ---------- > (c) 2007 www.nationmultimedia.com > here is web site of Siam park=20 http://www.siamparkcity.com Siam park city just operating VORTEX(Vekoma's SLC) for half year. i'm really pity that they sell. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 08:09:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38187 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:09:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:09:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Chaiwat has several options for Siam Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8zecpWEdvdDHDNhdyFqpcOCJTvTgEN-ZkP6ZZlVVTXkVQpE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 15, 2008 The Bangkok Post http://www.bangkokpost.com/Business/15Jan2008_biz30.php By Pittsinee Jitpleecheep and Woranuj Maneerungsee BANGKOK, THAILAND -- Chaiwat Luangamornlert, the founder of the country's pioneering amusement park Siam Park, has confirmed his intentions to exit the business following last Saturday's accident that injured 28 children. Chaiwat announced over the weekend that he would sell the amusement park after a water slide broke, sending many children to the ground below. "In the entire 28 years (of running the park), I have confronted many obstacles but I never gave up," Chaiwat, 70, said with a quivering voice. One family member said Chaiwat burst into tears when he said he would sell the business on which he had built his family fortune. Chaiwat's dream of bringing joy to children has turned into a nightmare over the past year. Just last October, the Indiana Log ride malfunctioned, killing 1 person and injuring 5. "My time is over," he said. "Perhaps I am too old to carry on. I was successful in building Siam Park as Asia's largest amusement park, but failed to make the visitors happy." Chaiwat said some investors had expressed interest in buying the park, but no one had approached him officially. If the company can sell the property, he said, it would use the proceeds to buy investment funds that would go to help underprivileged children. The price tag for Siam Park is believed to be about 5.5 billion baht. Last year, the company's revenue was 300 million baht with 10 million in net profit. The park drew about 1.5 million visitors last year and has 300 staff. Chaiwat said he hoped to sell everything on the 300-rai land plot. But if the company can only sell the attractions, it would turn the land into a property development. Chaiwat has been involved in property development since he was 26 y.o. Some of his developments include the Chor Amornphand and Thiensuan housing projects. The property business would be left for Chaiwat's 4 children, while he would focus only on setting up a foundation to help children. "It is unnecessary for my children to run a business under the family. Now, they are free to do anything they wish," he said. The family has developed several projects in Bangkok. It previously planned to build a luxury hotel and villa project on a 30-rai plot land in Rayong, but now it will only sell individual land plots and offer house construction services. The Bangkok Metropolitan Administration has closed the park's water slide for 15 days for a safety inspection. The rest of the theme park would remain open to the public as usual. After last year's accidents at Siam Park, the company closely inspected the attractions and increased manpower during the holiday season to restore the confidence of visitors. Siam Park had 3rd-party liability insurance with Bangkok Insurance for 500,000 baht per accident per person. The insurance covers loss of life and medical expenses, but excluded coverage for equipment wreckage. Amphol Suthiphein, assistant managing director of Amusement Creation Co, the operator of the Dream World theme park, admitted that Dream World's owner was entering into talks with Chaiwat for the park. Negotiations would take a while to finalise because the deal was quite big with many details to work out. Amphon said he believed that Siam Park was quite an interesting business since it was the only large water park in Thailand. The stagnant economy caused visitor numbers at Siam Park to drop last year, but it was in the process of investing in new attractions costing about 280 million baht, in the hope that visitor numbers would return to the same level as in 2006, at about 2-million. ------------ =A9 Copyright The Post Publishing Public Co., Ltd. 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 08:17:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77776 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 16:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 16:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 16:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:17:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:17:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Santa Clara council poised to OK talks on stadium X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tsStsYD74v9zAjAvklmpG_x4fmFcHYZWAXduuxjuKatGaQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 15, 2008 San Francisco Chronicle http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=3D/c/a/2008/01/15/BAR4UC5TC.DTL= &feed=3Drss.bayarea By John Cot=E9 SANTA CLARA, CA -- The Santa Clara City Council appears to be ready to approve formal negotiations with the San Francisco 49ers on building a stadium on city land now used as parking lots for the Great America (GA) amusement park. The vote, scheduled for Tuesday, would advance a $916 million stadium project that still faces significant hurdles. They include a $51 million gap between what the city says it can pay and what the 49ers would like it to contribute, and opposition from the company that owns GA. At least 2 City Council members are calling for the deal to go before voters, probably in June or November. City Manager Jennifer Sparacino has recommended moving forward with negotiations, while noting there are "many outstanding issues requiring resolution." At least 4 members of the 7-member council have indicated they will go ahead. "I think we need to take the next step," said Councilman Dominic Caserta, "which is looking at their proposal, getting a term sheet, putting things down in writing. ... The public can decide if this is a good move with public money. I think it is." City voters should have the final say, Caserta said. The City Council is scheduled to consider a possible initiative at its Jan. 22 meeting if members vote tonight to approve negotiations. "Whatever we decide to do, we need to take it to the voters," Caserta said. "This is a lot of public money." City officials put the total cost of the project at $916 million - $854 million to build a 68,000-seat stadium, plus $62 million to move an electricity substation at the site and build a garage for the stadium. The 49ers have asked the city to contribute $222 million. Of that, $160 million would go toward the stadium, and the rest would pay for the garage and for relocating the substation. A feasibility report on the project, drawn up by city staffers, says Santa Clara can come up with $136 million from money on hand and by taxing future development. An additional $35 million would be raised through a hotel tax, for a total of $171 million - or $51 million less than the team is asking. "That's it. That's all we can do," Deputy City Manager Carol McCarthy said. "Now we have to ask, can the 49ers do the project for less, or can they come up with alternate funding?" Peter Hillan, a 49ers spokesman, said it was premature to discuss those options before the City Council voted. "There is a gap there, but we think that it's close enough, given the scope of the project, that it's something we can work out in negotiations," Hillan said. "Presuming we get the approval." Councilwoman Jamie McCleod declined to say how she would vote. She said she is dissatisfied with the current proposal, including the expectation it would siphon $5 million from affordable housing funds and questioned whether it would produce quality jobs for Santa Clara residents. A city consultant predicts the project would create 515 jobs at the stadium and 710 more jobs in retail or entertainment at the site. "There are other projects that could have a much higher return on our investment and have much higher salaries," McCleod said. "These 515 jobs we're looking at creating pay an average of $33,000 a year, which is below the poverty line in our area. If we go forward creating those, we would be lacking foresight." City officials estimate the stadium would generate about $19 million for the city's general fund over the 30-year life of the stadium lease but would cost its redevelopment agency $90 million. "Is this the best investment?" McCleod said. "That argument hasn't been made to me at all." The proposed hotel tax increase would boost the levy for guests to 11.5% from the current 9.5%. So far, hotels have not objected. One neighbor, however, is not so keen on the stadium idea. Cedar Fair (CF), the company that owns GA, sent a letter to the City Council in December saying it opposed building a stadium on its main parking lot, which is on land leased from the city. That land is the 49ers' first choice for a stadium site. The team has said it would consider building the stadium on an adjacent parking lot that serves as GA's overflow lot. CF says if that happens, it wants unilateral control over stadium scheduling during GA's season. It also wants all parking revenue from the property, including that from stadium events. GA would also close on all 49ers home dates, and CF wants to be reimbursed for unearned revenue on those days. The cost estimates in Santa Clara's feasibility study don't appear to include the expense of meeting CF's demands, company spokesman David Hyams said. "We want to make sure the city is considering all the potential costs," he said. --------------- =A9 2008 Hearst Communications Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 08:30:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82808 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 16:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 16:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 16:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 16:30:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:30:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Clementon Park gets a facelift X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0th76_8fb_Ihj6puA0Y1QM6DpINk5Z66Ys6i1UXIG8NR_GA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 13, 2008 Gloucester County Times New Jersey On-Line http://www.nj.com/news/gloucester/local/index.ssf?/base/news-8/120021272027= 7150.xml&coll=3D8 By John Barna CLEMENTON, NJ -- 7 decades ago, the operators of Clementon Lake Amusement Park bragged in newsprint ads they were the "largest" such facility in South Jersey. Clementon, today, is still the largest amusement park in South Jersey. It is also the only one. Where Clementon had approximately 20 local competitors including Alcyon Lake Park in Pitman and Riverview Beach Park in Pennsville Township back when it ran a 1938 advertising campaign, today the closest merry-go-round and roller coaster are 60 miles away at Six Flags (6F) and several parks dotting the Jersey shore. Entering its 2d century of existence, the park is undergoing a makeover at the hands of new owners. Adrenaline Family Entertainment 3 principals are veterans of the 6F company has acquired the Camden County park and is promising a new look when it opens Memorial Day weekend. Customers will see a new appearance "the minute they show up on the parking lot," promised David Dorman, the GM. The parking lot itself is being repaved. There will be a new entrance and a Victorian-themed main street area. The menus will be updated. The picnic pavilions adjacent to the signature J2 roller coaster already sport a new look. "First impressions are very important," Dorman suggested. A new attraction Laguna Kaguna will be added to the Splash World part of what officially will be known as Clementon Park and Splash World. The 1-acre expansion will include 10 slides, 8 water play platforms and some 125 sprays, jets, bubbles, streams and waterfalls. Look at the top of the 50' platform, Dorman suggested. "There will be a 422-gallon tipping bucket" that will dump its contents on guests every "4-5 minutes." Exactly when will be part of the fun, Dorman said. 2 older rides the Falling Star and Chaos have been removed and the arcade building demolished to make room for the new water attraction. A park staple the Jack Rabbit coaster was ripped out 3 weeks ago. The coaster was taken out of service in 2002 after it failed a state inspection. However, the tracks remained. "We will use that space for future expansion," Dorman said. Adrenaline is projecting "350-400,000" guests this season, compared to an average attendance in recent years of 250,000 under the Baker family. Dorman noted the park will be open 115 days this year 34 more than a year ago. The park will operate on weekends into the fall, with a Halloween theme common at many amusement parks. For Adrenaline, Clementon is its first investment. "There is a strategy of acquiring 10-12 parks in the next 3-4 years," said Dorman. The idea is to acquire "smaller parks with large potential located in major metropolitan markets." Dorman has 21 years in the amusement park business, including 15 at 6F. CEO Hugh Eichelberger was an executive VP for 6F. CFO Russell Kutman was a 6F VP of corporate finance. "I'm joining trusted former colleagues," Dorman observed. The GM will live on site. The park includes the Gibbs Mansion, one of the first houses to be built in town. When Clementon opened in 1907, it was not uncommon for a house to be part of the grounds, Dorman noted. Clementon's origins date to 1906 when a hand-operated aerial wave ride debuted, according to the book "Early South Jersey Amusement Parks," on file in the Gloucester County Historical Society. The park went full time in 1907 the same year a trolley line was extended 6 miles from Haddon Heights into Clementon. That gave residents of Philadelphia and Camden access to the park. A 40' diving tower was added in 1915. The Jack Rabbit it cost $80,000 arrived in 1919. A Pretzel Ride a dark attraction with sudden turns and built in Bridgeton debuted during the Depression. The Gibbs family operated the park until 1915 when the sons of Theodore Gibbs formed the Clementon Park Association with several businessmen. The Baker family acquired the park in 1977 a season after the park was threatened with closure. Dorman suggested while Clementon should be a haven for local families hopefully convinced by the value of a $50 season pass it will market itself to those living within up to a day's travel. --------------- =A9 2008 Gloucester County Times =A9 2008 New Jersey On-Line LLC. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 17:52:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74288 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 01:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 01:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 01:52:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26565 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 01:52:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XBffDagVM1mgq5PE1HW5dTIkJeX6XkbgI8SrBeqYMmdrgMf4W4usqXhd7jt3Rr1ehw-- X-Received: from [72.70.241.148] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:52:49 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:52:49 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1200418941.2610.92386.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <133961.25283.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Clementon Park gets a facelift X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Eb8O2vVF_pvp6qtmTqbTeB3Q_B15YPrYjfgo5OW8B3swtTsNik1f X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A park staple the Jack Rabbit coaster was ripped out 3 weeks ago. The coaster was taken out of service in 2002 after it failed a state inspection.< I don't understand this. A coaster doesn't need to be torn down if it fails a state inspection. It was the oldest Miller coaster in the U.S. I wish it had gotten a Historic Landmark status. Jay, who never went to Clementon, always wanted to and now never will. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 18:05:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58581 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 02:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 02:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 02:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 02:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 02:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 02:05:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:05:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <133961.25283.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Clementon Park gets a facelift X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=EQbCoMq07xbhZMnktJt6lNyIn9rrqzClqdjeyrtKtCP4WgY9JGvW X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 -- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > A park staple the Jack Rabbit coaster was ripped out 3 weeks ago.=20 The coaster was taken out of service in 2002 after it failed a state > inspection.< >=20 > I don't understand this. A coaster doesn't need to be torn down if=20 it fails a state inspection. It was the oldest Miller coaster in the=20 U.S. I wish it had gotten a Historic Landmark status. >=20 > Jay, who never went to Clementon, always wanted to and now never=20 will. >=20 >I visited Clementon for the first and only time in '06. J2 was a=20 great ride, too short, but it was sad to wait on line for it and see=20 the sorry condition of the closed Jack Rabbit, overgrown with weeds,=20 boards loose, paint peeling. A ride op told me it might re-open, but=20 that never happened. I was surprised to read in this release that it=20 was out of service since '02, if I read it right. I didn't know it=20 was out of commission for 4 years at that point. I understand J2's=20 name will be changed to PUMA...definitely an animal everyone=20 associates with my home state(he said sarcastically.) I'm surprised=20 that fact wasn't mentioned in this release. I'd go back..it's a nice=20 atmosphere, a great flume ride, and the additions might enhance an=20 already better-than-average waterpark. Mike G.=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo!=20 Search. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Jan 16 12:30:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3145 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 20:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 20:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 20:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd9.27f2c155 (29672) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:30:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:30:26 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Clementon Park gets a facelift X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=XbMu0hEuK0mdsGeBvr04hG_TDEyE00orDErW0zmYOxFaDzTE5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/2008 9:05:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sonbeast1964@yahoo.com writes: A park staple the Jack Rabbit coaster was ripped out 3 weeks ago. The coaster was taken out of service in 2002 after it failed a state > inspection.< > > I don't understand this. A coaster doesn't need to be torn down if it fails a state inspection. It was the oldest Miller coaster in the U.S. I wish it had gotten a Historic Landmark status. > I was hoping Dick Knoebel would have bought this classic coaster and moved it, like he did The Rocket from San Antonio. It wouldn't have had that far to go, really, in comparison to how far The Rocket traveled to get there. The Rocket was closed for a lot longer time frame than Jack Rabbit. If that coaster was able to be resurrected, I don't know why that one couldn't be. It's really sad to see all these wonderful old classic coasters that are a part of true American history being wiped away from America's landscape, and out of your lives. But, they will always be in our hearts and memories. 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--YCalReminder=PjgZOSfPvDXUeGKTYtG0mF6gBDmJX1200552607-1-- From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 05:17:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73154 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 13:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 13:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 13:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-141-63.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.141.63] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JFUcj-0000W7-Jd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:17:37 -0500 Message-ID: <478F54DA.4020207@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:15:06 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1200552611.9.63780.m56@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1200552611.9.63780.m56@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782aa7e4ca26bfcccffccb98255e98484f2bd47b5706ebeb08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=yxWIFZWX8wgc5DAcaoPh8cQoSl5HaW9IjWuYJNhx__zoYF0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Title: Boardwalk and Baseball closed > > Date: Thursday January 17, 2008 > Time: All Day > Repeats: This event repeats every year. > Location: Haines City, Florida > Notes: On this date in 1990, Boardwalk and Baseball closed it's > doors for good, taking with it the Florida Hurricane and Zoomerang > roller coasters. Boardwalk and Baseball opened in 1974 as "Circus World > Showcase". In later years, it also took on the names "Ringling Brothers > Barnum & Bailey Circus World" and "Circus World". Just in case anyone is interested on this one, the site of the park is, literally, a mile and a half and just across the freeway from where I now live. The Target store there is set to open in March, with Best Buy, JC Penny's, Books a Million, and a bunch of other stores all following in the next couple of months after that. It's really sad to have lost the park, I would have liked to have seen it when it wasn't an abandoned dirt field (which it was when we arrived here), but as a local I can say that the shopping is desperately needed, as it's 20 miles to closest bookstore, and outside of a WalMart 10 miles away there's nothing else close to most of those in this area. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 05:21:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79288 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 13:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 13:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 13:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-141-63.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.141.63] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JFUg2-000817-TB for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: <478F55A7.1040307@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:18:31 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782aa7e4ca26bfcccfda0e6f34e1e689ff73f68fb83e2a8886350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Clementon Park gets a facelift X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Oc5i22Y8grCLvRE4LYmyTOnWUfkaMt6R0evQsG_WD8Tdmn4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > A park staple the Jack Rabbit coaster was ripped out 3 weeks ago. > The coaster was taken out of service in 2002 after it failed a state > > inspection.< > > > > I don't understand this. A coaster doesn't need to be torn down if > it fails a state inspection. It was the oldest Miller coaster in the > U.S. I wish it had gotten a Historic Landmark status. > > > > I was hoping Dick Knoebel would have bought this classic coaster and moved > it, like he > did The Rocket from San Antonio. I'm obviously not a local or an expert, but from what I've heard from a couple of locals who were a little familiar with it, or rather what I read online, there really wasn't much to save, relocate, etc. I read that the vast majority of the coaster was rotted, falling apart, and generally an unsafe eyesore. The real tragedy happened years ago when they didn't give it the basic maintenance that it needed to ensure it's safe operation and existence, and allowed it to get into such a sorry state that it couldn't be fixed up or saved. keep on ridin' George From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Jan 17 05:39:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52136 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 13:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 13:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 13:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bb8.1d6bb4d8 (37224) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:38:47 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA063-9168478f5a6623c; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:38:46 -0500 Message-ID: <478F5A66.1030600@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:38:46 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Clementon Park gets a facelift X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=n1BcjPUMey8FtxEeP5Qqov-WpG4iIPldX2JzT4Ra8dfveo5nlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/15/2008 9:05:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sonbeast1964@yahoo.com writes: > > A park staple the Jack Rabbit coaster was ripped out 3 weeks ago. > The coaster was taken out of service in 2002 after it failed a state > >> inspection.< >> >> I don't understand this. A coaster doesn't need to be torn down if >> > it fails a state inspection. It was the oldest Miller coaster in the > U.S. I wish it had gotten a Historic Landmark status. > > > > > I was hoping Dick Knoebel would have bought this classic coaster and moved > it, like he > did The Rocket from San Antonio. It wouldn't have had that far to go, > really, in comparison to > how far The Rocket traveled to get there. The Rocket was closed for a lot > longer time frame than > Jack Rabbit. If that coaster was able to be resurrected, I don't know why > that one couldn't be. It's > really sad to see all these wonderful old classic coasters that are a part > of true American history > being wiped away from America's landscape, and out of your lives. But, they > will always be in our > hearts and memories. > > Brian, who says, Long live The Big Dipper and Screechin Eagle! > Actually, Lenny Adams did an inspection of the coaster a few years ago, though there was never talk of Knoebels or anyone else buying it. Larry Baker had offered the coaster to ACE if they would pay to move it, but the coaster was just in too bad of condition. The uprights, which are the most valuable pieces of wood when a coaster is moved, were all rotted out, they had been put directly in the ground, which was the way coasters were built at the time. The entire thing was a mess and there really was no saving it. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Proud moral supporter of the Natty Bumppo Tahiti Letterboxing Project. McCarthy was RIGHT! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 07:54:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96314 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 15:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 15:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 15:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 15:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 15:53:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:53:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Cypress Gardens landscape manager is in her element X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nwezNUya-mUwRnXr43FIrMjuMjoUd6DBtU-8eK1TRDD_ffo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 14, 2008 News Chief Polk Online http://www.polkonline.com/stories/011408/communitynews_landscape.shtml By Kelly Mitchell and Joe Braddy WINTER HAVEN, FL -- Cypress Gardens Adventure Park (CG), Florida's historic attraction, appeals to many people on many different levels and for many different reasons. There are the world-famous ski shows, which have been thrilling audiences since World War II. There are the genteel and hoop-skirted Southern Belles, who greet guests with friendly smiles and don't mind at all when they're asked to be included in a photograph. There are the millions of dollars worth of rollercoasters and other rides, which help put the "adventure" in Adventure Park. And then there are the flowers - lots and lots of colorful and assorted flowers - joining other plants and topiaries and trees that delight visitors daily. After all, CG started out in 1936 as and continues to be, first and foremost, a great big garden. That's where Jackie Braymiller comes in. As landscape manager for CG, Braymiller is in charge of designing the flower beds, ordering supplies, running the landscaping crew, organizing tours, setting up classes and "everything" associated with the natural look of the park. Her bosses, new park owners Rob Harper & Brian Philpot, call her a "perfectionist" and say it with the utmost respect and admiration for her knowledge, skill and creativity. The News Chief caught up with Braymiller for a brief interview Thursday evening. The following is what she had to say about the Gardens, its future and the new management. News Chief: So you've been with CG for a year? Jackie: Um-hmm. Yep. News Chief: Tell us where it came from and where you've taken it? Jackie: OK. The first thing we did was, we rebuilt the water park (landscaping) and then we did sections of the park - redid it. They were having everything done (by an outside contractor), then we slowly, after I was working on those projects, in May they switched it over to in-house and then I took over with the crew I had built from the other projects, you know, while they were still here. So then we just tried to work our way around the park cleaning it, and trimming things back, and fertilizing it and just trying to get it back to the way it used to be. And more maintained and more groomed and more fertilizer. That's mostly what we were trying to do. News Chief: What was the shape of CG when you came in, in January (2007)? Jackie: It was just ... I think it the difference in a contractor doing it is, that maybe they can't put as much time into it as with if you do it in-house. News Chief: So, a contractor was doing it before? Jackie: A contractor was doing it before and where you can do more - even for the money, you can do more things, buy more product, if you aren't outsourcing it - if you're doing it in-house. So, we could buy more flowers and stuff like that. News Chief: When you came in, did you have a plan of what you wanted CG to look like? Jackie: Mostly to look at pictures and get it back to the way it used to be and then play off that. But just ... increase the flowers. Get the topiaries back out because there's only like half of them out here. And just to get more topiaries out, that was always the goal. And just to have it look maintained all the time to its utmost. That is probably the goal. News Chief: When you say getting it back to where it used to be, what kind of time frame are you looking at. What was "used to be"? When was "used to be"? Jackie: What was used to be was probably about 20 (years ago), well, when Anheuser Busch used to have it (ownership of the park). They just had their own greenhouses and they had just acres and acres of flowers. And I don't know if we can go to that many flowers, but we need to enlarge in the beds and get it bigger. And just have it when you come here for its gardens and you're going to say "Wow!" You know? You've got something to look at. There's more color and that's what they had back then. News Chief: With the new management (Orlando-based Baker Leisure Group), have you talked about where you want to take CG? Jackie: Again, it's probably back to the way it was when Busch had it. The way people remember the park being when they came here instead of being disappointed. A lot come here and they are disappointed. Where are all the flowers? So, they just want more attention to detail, bigger beds, more flowers, more containers. Also, more classes, more tours, educational programs. That's what we're trying to get. And to be the place people come to if people have questions on gardening. Where would they go? They would go to CG to find the answers. We have the knowledge here to answer any questions. And we want to take what people see commercially and show them how to do it, buy the product, and how they can do it at home. News Chief: When do you offer classes? Jackie: The first time we're going to be offering tours and classes a lot more will be January, no, Feb. 22 is our Festival of Flowers that we're having. It's going to run for about 5 weeks and we will have classes on pruning, classes on topiaries and how you can make them at home, butterfly gardening, annuals and perennials. And so we'll have classes every day on those subjects, with handouts and showing people how to do it, like a demonstration. And then we'll be also increasing our tours. Those will run 7 days a week. All those things will be going, the tours and everything, increasing them in the botanical gardens. News Chief: Are there any big changes with the new management? Anything that affects you personally or your staff? Jackie: Their big thing is to make sure we have the tools that we need to do the job, so they're asking us "What do you need?" And then they're giving us the funds to buy our tools and they're giving us the funds for our materials, our labor, just the tools we need to do our job, and it's not such a struggle. News Chief: Was it a struggle before? Jackie: A big struggle. Big struggle. There just wasn't ... I think it was maybe because they knew they were going to sell the park. They just stopped the spending, so the 4 months before the park was sold we couldn't work on our topiaries, just about everything. News Chief: Before that? Before that 4-month period? Jackie: They tried to give us the funds and everything. News Chief: But now? Jackie: It's like night and day. It's just like night and day. They're giving it their all. They're going to do everything they can to make this go. They're cleaning up behind the scenes. Nothing can be a mess. They've hired a crew just to go behind the scenes and we have to "weed-eat" and clean anything that doesn't look good ... everything has to be cleaned up. News Chief: So, personal theory on the new management? Jackie: If they can't do it, nobody can? That's my feelings. That's the first thing I can think of. If they can't do it, nobody can, because they're giving it everything they've got. And also asking about employees. Focusing on the employees is what is going to get the word out, so they're starting off with this party tonight, introducing themselves and having not just pizza but a lovely meal cooked by our chef and prizes for the guys, and then they're asking us managers how we can make our employees happier. They want happy, smiling employees for the guests. News Chief: How do you think you can make your employees happier? Jackie: I think they're happy. Just tools to do their job and knowing that everybody is trying to make the park be better so that's just something that gets you pumped up to do. News Chief: How many people are on your staff? Jackie: Twenty-seven. News Chief: Who do you report to? Jackie: ... They've added a lot more directors and managers, a corporate structure. And I don't know the names of everybody yet, but there is a corporate structure, so it's organized and there are procedures, which makes everything a lot easier. ... The Baker Group came in (Jan. 2), gave us a structure and immediately we knew who we reported to (in) their structure and they figured out, you know, 5 days, they had it. News Chief: So, do you like the structure? Jackie: Yes. Being organized is nice. Anything that makes it easier so you can go faster is nice. News Chief: You came to CG from where? Jackie: Six Flags (6F). I redid the 6F park in New Jersey, 6F Great Adventure in New Jersey. And redid the landscaping of the 6F park in Buffalo ... News Chief: Are you here to stay? Jackie: Yes ... The 6F parks are more for the rides and that kind of thing, that's not their focus (flowers and landscaping). But there's no place in the U.S., I don't think, that you can focus on just flowers. - that people come to see it and CG. There couldn't be a better job. -------------- =A9 2008 News Chief From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 08:00:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46894 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 16:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 16:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 16:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 16:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 16:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 16:00:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:00:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Job vacancy - Head Of Communications X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=I16SgPn6ZpiUY8cWbCfSTE2dfFFgQVIUYr9ORZPzjE4MTpY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 08, 2008 PublicTechnology.net http://www.publictechnology.net/article_avantgo.php?sid=3D13625 BLACKPOOL, LANCASHIRE, UK -- (Ref: TR286) From donkeys and rollercoasters to mirror balls, conferences and illuminations "Blackpool means different things to different people. 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Interview Date: 14th February 2008 --- For the detailed job vacancy description & application details see this link http://jobs.publictechnology.net/job/head-communications-tr286 ----------- Copyright =A9 2007 JGP Limited From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Jan 17 10:37:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18417 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 18:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 18:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 18:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 18:37:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 18:37:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 18:37:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:37:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Time wasting video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=CrfMRJnO-iRWacQDJX0kPCHBoG51JpHrEc1_GW3Q5nK0nbFuAg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 While searching for the patch needed to install Roller Coaster=20 Tycoon, I came across this funny video. Don't blame me if you feel=20 like "there's two minutes of my life I'll never get back." http://controllercode.com/2007/07/01/rollercoaster-tycoon-slaughter/ Jon Z The First From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 13:07:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64305 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 21:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 21:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 21:07:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8066 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 21:07:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vLkU9K0VM1kXSd8_wv5HUfX3z2XIPJUMSRWLoHlxU9xWSsWmAfEiuZ8u7wtBz6qcg39Lbozk8X07aOmylHkT4o97pclvOup7eF3OvP6m0v0sSwvfuG.xmvmfAu9A36_6JNsaEcCvWHHrD5o- X-Received: from [66.219.174.68] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:07:50 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:07:50 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <750562.8042.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Time wasting video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=FO3PaiXXUjISN_pmAjc29vf6hHcIlISSDYwzDV0Y_Gp91QYpfMP_N_hY8qL0kEuj X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That may be a waste of 2 minutes of my life, but with the kind of day i'm having that made me laugh so hard my ribs hurt. I've been playing that game for over a year now and never thought of that idea. zucker0615 wrote: While searching for the patch needed to install Roller Coaster Tycoon, I came across this funny video. Don't blame me if you feel like "there's two minutes of my life I'll never get back." http://controllercode.com/2007/07/01/rollercoaster-tycoon-slaughter/ Jon Z The First --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 17:07:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49146 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 01:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 01:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 01:07:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60520 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 01:07:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OusfInMVM1mbOQCWXPa3f9EtXNjeJ7SoMHvX8l8YSTvnA2pmDQQhNRcDZ2SjnQTW7php.Xejo6dfxLclhdJsSuzcDMG.mCWPXlsDKCxdoQRFv31BPmiWtmQKgag49A-- X-Received: from [72.70.245.48] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:07:17 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:07:17 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1200592996.4288.44812.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <288135.59660.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Clementon Park gets a facelift X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=jl-u2BbXPaQXKggpN4HZBQ7cx7qB45bzkLFXz7_1u0hX3JgHd0S6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The uprights, which are the most valuable pieces of wood when a coaster is moved, were all rotted out, they had been put directly in the ground, which was the way coasters were built at the time. < Interesting. I found out the same thing about Mountain Park's old Mountain Flyer. It too had the bents shoved directly into the dirt. But when the Collins family bought the park, Ed Leis and his crew jacked up every bent, poured a concrete footer underneath and then bolted the bent to it. So there was no reason Clementon couldn't have done the same thing if they wanted to keep the ride running. Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 17:37:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2748 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 01:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 01:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 01:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2008 01:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2008 01:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.167] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2008 01:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2008 01:37:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 62666.42244.bm@omp502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 61804 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 01:37:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hW9OtWQVM1lcsy7JYjXWlDSwDitSeETJnIbxbDEkHH5wIljv9vMCmmu6QT.2PVGs2g5_PXit.00bAys3S0SiiOAMpLe_ANivlVK44dbhyYXAs5YXJjY- X-Received: from [70.127.135.104] by web45113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:37:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.160 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:37:44 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <971244.51520.qm@web45113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Opinion: SFI Rant, Stock, and Shapiro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=G8JNYchdtWjLsgk4It5_BFM3ImLdb06q-xL6vYzsZ0lO1VV19Y1A X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SIX&t=5y I know it's the off-season for theme parks, but has anyone checked SFI lately? Someone please tell me why we should believe in Mark Shapiro's plans for the business? In my opinion, he has destroyed the company. Check out the stock before and after Shapiro. If this was any other company in the world, the stock holders would be calling for Shapiro's head right now. The reason the stock is tanking is because (eventhough he's cutting expenses for 2008) the stock holders are seeing assets be destroyed. How many more coasters have to be lost at SFMM or the other parks? It is proven that when you go after a certain demographic (ex: Thomas Town, Wiggles World) it's a disaster. Current management has no clue how to run SFI, except into the ground. Can anyone say bankruptcy in a year or two? Is anyone else distrubed that pre-Kieran Burke the stock was close to $7.00/share, and now look at the graph (post-Kieran Burke). Thanks for listening to my rant, and as always I welcome any other rants and comments. Joe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Jan 18 19:52:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60874 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 03:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 03:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-18.bluehost.com) (69.89.20.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 03:52:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26477 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jan 2008 03:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 03:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JG4lF-00043n-Rw for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:52:50 -0700 Message-Id: <5F70ED11-BB79-4A8F-81C4-CAED485ECCB2@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <971244.51520.qm@web45113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:52:48 -0500 References: <971244.51520.qm@web45113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 69.89.20.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: SFI Rant, Stock, and Shapiro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=oyysXAURLEHEDvmrpk-S3xphoLuImX4CYRRhfVkPtaxaZYxQ7mdN X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > I know it's the off-season for theme parks, but has anyone checked > SFI lately? Someone please tell me why we should believe in Mark > Shapiro's plans for the business? In my opinion, he has destroyed > the company. Check out the stock before and after Shapiro. If this > was any other company in the world, the stock holders would be > calling for Shapiro's head right now. The reason the stock is > tanking is because (eventhough he's cutting expenses for 2008) the > stock holders are seeing assets be destroyed. How many more > coasters have to be lost at SFMM or the other parks? It is proven > that when you go after a certain demographic (ex: Thomas Town, > Wiggles World) it's a disaster. Current management has no clue how > to run SFI, except into the ground. Cedar fair isn't doing much better, and they have a pretty different strategy: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SIX&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=fun Perhaps its an industry thing... and it certainly doesn't help that prices of everything are through the roof. When you have a 70$ amusement park ticket per person, competing with 30$ for a bluray disc, $1500 for a lcd tv, 400$ for a hddvd player, $15,000 to take 2 people to disney world for 3 days, 1200$ a year for unlimited text messaging, 40$ in gas and tolls to get to an amusement park, etc. etc., something has to give. I know I didn't go to any amusement parks this year (besides Hershey, of course), partly because its just too expensive. Mike From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jan 19 12:29:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30536 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 20:28:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 20:28:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 20:28:58 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so625451uge.22 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:28:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.243.4 with SMTP id q4mr2755323ugh.5.1200774537419; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:28:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.218.19 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:28:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0801191228x5f43111ndd58631ebd5c698a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:28:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5F70ED11-BB79-4A8F-81C4-CAED485ECCB2@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <971244.51520.qm@web45113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <5F70ED11-BB79-4A8F-81C4-CAED485ECCB2@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: SFI Rant, Stock, and Shapiro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=u2RxeaRpA7mlSixSm19SvFe9WsYK8T302_h8g2QhfwaA5Og X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska or perhaps it's because of the impending depression that's causing every American stock to nose dive. I don't see SFI or CF doing much worse than the rest of the market lately. -Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 16:32:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76726 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 00:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 00:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 00:32:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42945 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2008 00:32:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 67uMaJoVM1mj78Jyq2R5DcxnRI2SNl_wXb2a8mNUzjrsGa3jdNljaCmvr83ToKQW3YToj2ZOOacDId3XQVvYj97xFWTeAHSiO9g1c6ujB98I2Qw1fEu5yrp5SCaGow-- X-Received: from [72.70.245.48] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:32:23 PST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:32:23 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1200675027.2459.39839.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <559760.42082.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Time wasting video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=sUO0aS1ONTMvF1N2S3NgKI_tHM5_d0B7N4GjRpEiAJqfs9pEBf38 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terrific soundtrack, too! I wish that all the balloons had been released at the crash, sort of like fireworks. And I was surprised the coaster kept flying after leaving the track; in the old RCT, the train would just immediately explode. Oh well, I certainly wouldn't say it was two minutes wasted. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 16:50:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27683 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 00:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 00:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 00:50:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9388 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2008 00:50:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EUK_HcYVM1nGbqJhPaApPMPxbmhAjfAh.eiXQYoRjzyAnlMWWBPQYD0Ud9ddcOU23lKNYdY_pVTmW9ITau4tPaMqygw87Os2amiVyJh0tS1OoA0YmmM- X-Received: from [72.70.245.48] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:50:10 PST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:50:10 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <319275.8724.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Opinion: SFI Rant, Stock, and Shapiro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=AKwYj5a_5Zulaa09nl2Y7N0Z17Da9M4tbzgG3SsQ80z-vLYq7eqU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Cedar fair isn't doing much better, [snip] Perhaps its an industry thing... < Remember that CF and SF both have something in common now (besides the big Fs in their names): they're both $2 billion in debt. CF was doing okay before the Paramount Parks acquisition. IMO, the debt load is going to drag them down like a boat anchor. The current economy isn't helping out, either, as was mentioned. The only big parks doing well are those who have a different industry to fall back on: Busch, Disney, MGM. And some of the smaller parks that don't have to answer to shareholders seem to be doing okay (Canobie Lake, Holiday World, Waldameer). I hope Shapiro and Snyder can turn things around. But time is running out. I'm thinking about the famous quote (via Steve Jobs) of an earlier Apple CEO: "This ship has a hole in the middle, and my job is to point the ship in the right direction." Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 07:04:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42776 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 15:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 15:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 15:04:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33925 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2008 15:04:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .uaJGWkVM1lJtEQdjc0BHldNLtvSyMclp2oikrGppVm9_2jD8BCRSfmO8zSKCLTHRlsVLHAf5X5Vhd7kQPDZv82u5gN1tCCf3ydPzcnac2kZLgoXxJX0bgItsfmPT2j367X4cn2UP2cFZRo- X-Received: from [68.100.189.165] by web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:04:03 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:04:03 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5F70ED11-BB79-4A8F-81C4-CAED485ECCB2@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <572890.33613.qm@web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: SFI Rant, Stock, and Shapiro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=DYinX4xpPI8ArG6wRx7KYEdEWg9homYkDaTryAJBFoQjhk4O X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Mike Filippone wrote: > Perhaps its an industry thing... and it certainly > doesn't help that > prices of everything are through the roof. When you > have a 70$ > amusement park ticket per person, competing with 30$ > for a bluray > disc, $1500 for a lcd tv, 400$ for a hddvd player, > $15,000 to take 2 > people to disney world for 3 days, 1200$ a year for > unlimited text > messaging, 40$ in gas and tolls to get to an > amusement park, etc. > etc., something has to give. I know I didn't go to > any amusement > parks this year (besides Hershey, of course), partly > because its just > too expensive. I dont know if you were using hyperbole or what seeing as your lcd and bluray prices were spot on, but $15,000 to go to Disney? From where, Australia? It's not remotely that expensive. Methinks you lost a decimal point ;) (1500 is still a little high but in the ballpark). Anyway, think about what SFI's biggest asset is: the land the parks sit on! With the complete devaluation of real estate in the country, it doenst suprise me a bit that SFI stock would take a wallop. Not to mention, as I'm sure a certain Australian SFGAm/IB regular on here would attest ;), Wall Street is astonishingly impatient and want *instant* results. However, there is/was no 'magic pill' that would miraculously resurrect SFI. It's going to be a slow gring back to profitability with that huge milstone of a debt around the company's neck. I still am generally pleased with the direction Shapiro has sent for the chain. lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Jan 20 08:05:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78949 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 16:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 16:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-107.bluehost.com) (69.89.22.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 16:05:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7761 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 2008 16:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by xmail.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 16:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JGcfs-0006sD-SY for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:05:33 -0700 Message-Id: <94FF287F-51B9-47E9-A451-7AEB26B08301@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <572890.33613.qm@web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:05:30 -0500 References: <572890.33613.qm@web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 69.89.22.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: SFI Rant, Stock, and Shapiro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=wgBsw79JC5osKYv4Bm169H1Dkl9Ugo58Ptn1ex8uWuZE0j6erkkW X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Perhaps its an industry thing... and it certainly >> doesn't help that >> prices of everything are through the roof. When you >> have a 70$ >> amusement park ticket per person, competing with 30$ >> for a bluray >> disc, $1500 for a lcd tv, 400$ for a hddvd player, >> $15,000 to take 2 >> people to disney world for 3 days, 1200$ a year for >> unlimited text >> messaging, 40$ in gas and tolls to get to an >> amusement park, etc. >> etc., something has to give. I know I didn't go to >> any amusement >> parks this year (besides Hershey, of course), partly >> because its just >> too expensive. > > I dont know if you were using hyperbole or what seeing > as your lcd and bluray prices were spot on, but > $15,000 to go to Disney? From where, Australia? It's > not remotely that expensive. Methinks you lost a > decimal point ;) (1500 is still a little high but in > the ballpark). I was exaggerating a little, but not too much. I'll be down in the Cape Canaveral area for a day coming up, and I was thinking about staying an extra two days to hit up IOA/Universal and Sea World. Between hotels, park admission (70-80$ for admission when the park is open from 10-6? are they out of their mind?), food, parking at the parks, long term parking at the airport, rental cars, rescheduling my flight, it all adds up... seemed like it would be an extra 600$, easy, for two days. I mean I wasn't looking at the cheapest ways to do everything, but 600$ for one person to visit amusement parks for 2 days is not something I'm about to fork over -- I have more important things I need to buy. And I'm guessing Disney isn't going to be much better, especially if you have a couple kids. > I still am generally pleased with the direction > Shapiro has sent for the chain. I agree, but I'm starting to wonder how accurate Jay's comment is (pointing a sinking ship in the right direction). On the bright side, with the real estate market not doing that great, at least they got rid of SFAW when they did. Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 12:36:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76031 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 20:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 20:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 20:36:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64951 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 20:36:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cXBEyVQVM1ltEMS7PENoytqB8IrHQpKoYWrJWr25 X-Received: from [72.70.245.48] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:36:00 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:36:00 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1200846669.3163.36655.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <612117.63696.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Opinion: SFI Rant, Stock, and Shapiro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=1olzdjMMhbcwYZoPq7pvgshhXBeg0OeAfD4P0VGIQU3Fpk-cRLr2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On the bright side, with the real estate market not doing that great, at least they got rid of SFAW when they did. < True. But real estate is a cyclical thing. Land is a finite resource and with time always becomes more valuable (unless it's a Superfund site :-) So all that property is probably the chain's greatest asset. I'm curious if the recent buying sprees by overseas investors will spill over into the amusement business. (It already has with Kennywood.) With the current "bargain" prices in the U.S. and so much property, SF and CF both might be worthy prospects for foreign entrepreneurs. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Tue Jan 22 14:08:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83593 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2008 22:07:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:07:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.59.78.204 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: Time wasting video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=zP6K3t7Ia5p45MQbktKYr2E8ztyspGwFe3lzW5CbdU4R7IrloF9gkDzgzvAy X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back Just catching up on my e-mail and saw this message. 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Don't blame me if you feel=20 > like "there's two minutes of my life I'll never get back." >=20 > http://controllercode.com/2007/07/01/rollercoaster-tycoon-slaughter/ >=20 >=20 > Jon Z The First From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jan 22 22:50:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92769 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Jan 2008 06:50:14 -0000 Date: 23 Jan 2008 06:50:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1201071014.10.92766.m56@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: IAAPA Euro Attractions Show, 1/23/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=K3AYLStYHPCJTfLyQlVTeS1M5VU1201071010-1" --YCalReminder=K3AYLStYHPCJTfLyQlVTeS1M5VU1201071010-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=K3AYLStYHPCJTfLyQlVTeS1M5VU1201071010-1-- From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 16:22:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53527 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 00:22:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 00:22:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 00:22:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 00:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 00:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.157] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 00:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 00:22:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 462366.69143.bm@omp405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 37664 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2008 00:22:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DBknLakVM1nVfGxeZVP8iaUZljTJuq_OFy40QuJ0QUUyXrLukrNMOYPgwkfAfk7VKQ-- X-Received: from [70.127.135.104] by web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:22:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.160 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:22:37 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <334508.36858.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: NEWS: SF OVER GEORGIA TOLD NOT TO OPEN WATER RIDES IN 2008 !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=L5yPZi4a9aV2IqN3ViZEEr05LseWIy_TGAMrOKmq0JHZVAmvgb6G X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As if SFI wasn't getting clobbered enough, more bad news came this morning from an unexpected place... THE WEATHER CHANNEL. Long story short, I work from 600am-300pm, and while getting ready for work this morning a report about the water shortages that plague the southeast ran at about 445am. Due to the water shortages here in the southeast, SFOG was ordered not to open their water rides this year, including the roaring rapids ride, flumes, and Skull Mountain. They all waste a tremendous amount of water. I wonder how SFI's going to survive, if they can if they get more bad news. Now, this is beyond Shapiro's scope of control when the state dictates something like this, but how much more bloodshed will stockholders allow before they call for Snyder and Shapiro's head? I wonder what Bill Gates is thinking right now since he owns a good chunk of SFI. Not the return they expected when they decided to launch a hostile takeover of the company... right? They were tasked with trying to do better than previous management, but it has turned into a major disaster. SFI needs someone with deep pockets to come in, pay off the debt, and have a working plan to repair the parks while working within a set capitalized budget every year. What a concept... right? If there's someone out there, contact Mr. Snyder and Mr. Shapiro at SFI Headquarters in NYC right away. Joe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Jan 23 18:30:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78473 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 02:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 02:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 02:30:48 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so80877pyb.2 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.244.15 with SMTP id w15mr236388qbr.38.1201141847903; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:30:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.135.14 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:30:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801231830y59fb440cp523811fb02cebd2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:30:47 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <334508.36858.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <334508.36858.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SF OVER GEORGIA TOLD NOT TO OPEN WATER RIDES IN 2008 !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=3ki-vUkYFaRGVAHYhLpsf3M28bELawR4h1O0jMI0fsegmjjFaw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure how a topic about a water shortage turned into SFI bashing so quickly, but I find it hard to believe that not being able to run their water rides, when there's water shortage in the area, is going to have any outcome on their business. It's not like people are going to show up and say "OH MAN, what a bunch of crap! I can't ride this water ride! Stupid Six Flags!", especially given that they're not allowed to wash their cars, water their lawns, etc.. Now, due to the water shortage, and other circumstances, people might not show up at SFOG, but I highly doubt that it will be because they can't ride Skull Mountain. On Jan 23, 2008 7:22 PM, THUNDER wrote: > As if SFI wasn't getting clobbered enough, more bad news came this > morning from an unexpected place... THE WEATHER CHANNEL. > > Long story short, I work from 600am-300pm, and while getting ready for > work this morning a report about the water shortages that plague the > southeast ran at about 445am. Due to the water shortages here in the > southeast, SFOG was ordered not to open their water rides this year, > including the roaring rapids ride, flumes, and Skull Mountain. They all > waste a tremendous amount of water. > > I wonder how SFI's going to survive, if they can if they get more bad > news. > > Now, this is beyond Shapiro's scope of control when the state dictates > something like this, but how much more bloodshed will stockholders allow > before they call for Snyder and Shapiro's head? I wonder what Bill Gates is > thinking right now since he owns a good chunk of SFI. > > Not the return they expected when they decided to launch a hostile > takeover of the company... right? They were tasked with trying to do better > than previous management, but it has turned into a major disaster. > > SFI needs someone with deep pockets to come in, pay off the debt, and have > a working plan to repair the parks while working within a set capitalized > budget every year. > > What a concept... right? If there's someone out there, contact Mr. Snyder > and Mr. Shapiro at SFI Headquarters in NYC right away. > > Joe > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Jan 23 18:40:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50309 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 02:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 02:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 02:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d07.24523943 (41811) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:40:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:40:20 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SF OVER GEORGIA TOLD NOT TO OPEN WATER RIDES IN... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=or5GvUrY9TAHa_wl138p9i0roNG9P_GY62lj_ZUKUEE1WB22sw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this mean, Monster Plantation will also not run, since its a water ride? That would definitely be a shame. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jan 23 20:16:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11535 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 04:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 04:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta16.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 04:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752633FC32 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:16:15 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.4797abe0.3eb8f for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:16:09 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHmBEJ/kwkHAIAAAAB,2b9656c940c4093fe706629f9f4a9555 Message-ID: <5AF7A6DE5A9743ABA95B5BFC9B91DD96@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <334508.36858.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0801231830y59fb440cp523811fb02cebd2d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0801231830y59fb440cp523811fb02cebd2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:16:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SF OVER GEORGIA TOLD NOT TO OPEN WATER RIDES IN 2008 !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=XFLEbxTibuztMwtIo9hXYY8FdmAc3IgfeKOqp5y_yHH68RXbGwe4N-Xfpg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has this been confirmed with any news reports (online) as well? While SFOG will still be able to run... in the end this could be a cost saver for the park since they wont have to run these water rides. Many water rides have intense power requirements (water pumps take a lot of juice...), plus the water bill, and the destructive nature of water rides means they require more maintence than your average ride as well. However... what is this going to do to the nearby but off-site Six Flags owned waterpark? Will they be allowed to open at all or because "water" is their primary business, will they be allowed to continute to run? Before you say no, remember that other business that use a lot of water will also be in the same boat... laundrymats, car washes, etc... and while it would make great sense to just shut them down for several months, these are still busineses with bills and staff to pay. So what happens then? Do their bank loan get put on hold until the drought is over? I know Stone Mountain was planning on opening a waterpark of their own in 2008, plans that were put on hold until at least 2009 or later because they were afraid this was going to happen in 2008 and they didn't want to be stuck with a brand new waterpark trying to open in these drough conditions. They also had to cancel their Snow Mountain winter plans to create fake snow tubing runs... no word on if they'll try again in 2008 until we know how much rain falls this year I suppose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh W To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SF OVER GEORGIA TOLD NOT TO OPEN WATER RIDES IN 2008 !!! I'm not sure how a topic about a water shortage turned into SFI bashing so quickly, but I find it hard to believe that not being able to run their water rides, when there's water shortage in the area, is going to have any outcome on their business. It's not like people are going to show up and say "OH MAN, what a bunch of crap! I can't ride this water ride! Stupid Six Flags!", especially given that they're not allowed to wash their cars, water their lawns, etc.. Now, due to the water shortage, and other circumstances, people might not show up at SFOG, but I highly doubt that it will be because they can't ride Skull Mountain. On Jan 23, 2008 7:22 PM, THUNDER wrote: > As if SFI wasn't getting clobbered enough, more bad news came this > morning from an unexpected place... THE WEATHER CHANNEL. > > Long story short, I work from 600am-300pm, and while getting ready for > work this morning a report about the water shortages that plague the > southeast ran at about 445am. Due to the water shortages here in the > southeast, SFOG was ordered not to open their water rides this year, > including the roaring rapids ride, flumes, and Skull Mountain. They all > waste a tremendous amount of water. > > I wonder how SFI's going to survive, if they can if they get more bad > news. > > Now, this is beyond Shapiro's scope of control when the state dictates > something like this, but how much more bloodshed will stockholders allow > before they call for Snyder and Shapiro's head? I wonder what Bill Gates is > thinking right now since he owns a good chunk of SFI. > > Not the return they expected when they decided to launch a hostile > takeover of the company... right? They were tasked with trying to do better > than previous management, but it has turned into a major disaster. > > SFI needs someone with deep pockets to come in, pay off the debt, and have > a working plan to repair the parks while working within a set capitalized > budget every year. > > What a concept... right? If there's someone out there, contact Mr. Snyder > and Mr. Shapiro at SFI Headquarters in NYC right away. > > Joe > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. 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--YCalReminder=s3ABLStYHPKJTfLyQlVTeS1M5BD1201157406-1-- From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jan 24 04:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63296 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 12:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 12:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 12:32:19 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so52822and.125 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:32:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.251.5 with SMTP id y5mr1336336anh.12.1201177939096; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:32:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.102.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30sm927676elf.17.2008.01.24.04.32.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:32:16 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:32:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <5AF7A6DE5A9743ABA95B5BFC9B91DD96@ScreamscapeHP> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AcheP96QCs4RmmZ2QnG9g6pT19Y2FgARTlaw Message-ID: <4798854b.1ebd7e0a.0754.ffffa7d8@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: NEWS: SF OVER GEORGIA TOLD NOT TO OPEN WATER RIDES IN 2008 !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=l57hmyAhVm7Lr8cGIrK6Rdp8z7G3QW8cp5nHUyyP5oWUOuM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup. http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/01/24/sixflags0124.html Adam _____ From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:16 PM To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SF OVER GEORGIA TOLD NOT TO OPEN WATER RIDES IN 2008 !!! Has this been confirmed with any news reports (online) as well? While SFOG will still be able to run... in the end this could be a cost saver for the park since they wont have to run these water rides. Many water rides have intense power requirements (water pumps take a lot of juice...), plus the water bill, and the destructive nature of water rides means they require more maintence than your average ride as well. However... what is this going to do to the nearby but off-site Six Flags owned waterpark? Will they be allowed to open at all or because "water" is their primary business, will they be allowed to continute to run? Before you say no, remember that other business that use a lot of water will also be in the same boat... laundrymats, car washes, etc... and while it would make great sense to just shut them down for several months, these are still busineses with bills and staff to pay. So what happens then? Do their bank loan get put on hold until the drought is over? I know Stone Mountain was planning on opening a waterpark of their own in 2008, plans that were put on hold until at least 2009 or later because they were afraid this was going to happen in 2008 and they didn't want to be stuck with a brand new waterpark trying to open in these drough conditions. They also had to cancel their Snow Mountain winter plans to create fake snow tubing runs... no word on if they'll try again in 2008 until we know how much rain falls this year I suppose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh W To: RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SF OVER GEORGIA TOLD NOT TO OPEN WATER RIDES IN 2008 !!! I'm not sure how a topic about a water shortage turned into SFI bashing so quickly, but I find it hard to believe that not being able to run their water rides, when there's water shortage in the area, is going to have any outcome on their business. It's not like people are going to show up and say "OH MAN, what a bunch of crap! I can't ride this water ride! Stupid Six Flags!", especially given that they're not allowed to wash their cars, water their lawns, etc.. Now, due to the water shortage, and other circumstances, people might not show up at SFOG, but I highly doubt that it will be because they can't ride Skull Mountain. On Jan 23, 2008 7:22 PM, THUNDER yahoo.com> wrote: > As if SFI wasn't getting clobbered enough, more bad news came this > morning from an unexpected place... THE WEATHER CHANNEL. > > Long story short, I work from 600am-300pm, and while getting ready for > work this morning a report about the water shortages that plague the > southeast ran at about 445am. Due to the water shortages here in the > southeast, SFOG was ordered not to open their water rides this year, > including the roaring rapids ride, flumes, and Skull Mountain. They all > waste a tremendous amount of water. > > I wonder how SFI's going to survive, if they can if they get more bad > news. > > Now, this is beyond Shapiro's scope of control when the state dictates > something like this, but how much more bloodshed will stockholders allow > before they call for Snyder and Shapiro's head? I wonder what Bill Gates is > thinking right now since he owns a good chunk of SFI. > > Not the return they expected when they decided to launch a hostile > takeover of the company... right? They were tasked with trying to do better > than previous management, but it has turned into a major disaster. > > SFI needs someone with deep pockets to come in, pay off the debt, and have > a working plan to repair the parks while working within a set capitalized > budget every year. > > What a concept... right? If there's someone out there, contact Mr. Snyder > and Mr. Shapiro at SFI Headquarters in NYC right away. > > Joe > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo. com/r/hs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 07:11:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13889 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 15:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 15:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 15:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 15:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 15:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 15:11:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:11:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Hotel will rise on contested site near Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_S2P1oQ9W16B-_J7grndXi0x200R0sQKtW_d5pqZgQ7rDKE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 18, 2008 Associated Press North County Times http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/19/news/state/15_55_501_18_08.txt ANAHEIM, CA -- A developer plans to build a hotel-retail complex on a 26-acre site near Disneyland. Renaissance Development Co. Inc. says a deal has been reached to buy the site, now mostly mobile home parks, from property owner Frank Family Partnership. It's the same site where developer SunCal planned to build about 1,500 homes, a project contested by Disney. SunCal attorney Skip Miller says the family reneged on a purchase agreement, but the property owner says SunCal failed to pay to extend its contract and a deal was made with Fort Worth, Texas-based Renaissance. The sale is expected to be finalized by June and construction could start mid-2009. The project includes hotels, timeshares and shops. ---------- =A9 1997-2007 North County Times =96 Lee Enterprises From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 07:27:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36343 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 15:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 15:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 15:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 15:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 15:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 15:27:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:27:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Euro Disney Reports Revenues for the 1st Quarter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z3qXe6_YMEp_d6Jehdo-GLOePyvfG_FuNdtrcUT3ahq-yYY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 24, 2008 PRNewswire-FirstCall Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080124/ukth008.html?.v=3D101 MARNE-LA-VALLEE, FR -- Euro Disney S.C.A. Fiscal Year 2008 1st Quarter Announcement - 1st Quarter Revenues Increased 20% to EUR 341 Million - Resort Revenues Increased 14% to EUR 316 Million, Driven by Theme Parks Attendance, Guest Spending and Hotel Occupancy - Real Estate Development Revenues Increased EUR 18 Million Euro Disney S.C.A. (the "Company"), parent company of Euro Disney Associes S.C.A., operator of Disneyland=AE Resort Paris (DLP), reported today revenues for its consolidated group (the "Group") for the 1st quarter of fiscal year 2008 which ended December 31, 2007 (the "1st Quarter"). Revenues for the 1st Quarter increased 20% to EUR 340.5 million, reflecting increases in theme parks, hotels and real estate revenues. Theme parks revenues increased 14% to EUR 175.1 million, driven by growth in attendance and average spending per guest. Hotels and Disney=AE Village revenues increased 17% to EUR 126.7 million, reflecting increases in average spending per room and hotel occupancy. Real estate revenues increased EUR 18.4 million to EUR 24.4 million, primarily resulting from EUR 12.5 million of revenue related to the sale of a property in Val d'Europe which had been subject to a long-term ground lease. Commenting on the results, Karl L. Holz, Chairman and CEO of Euro Disney S.A.S., said: "We are pleased with our 1st quarter results, with the growth in revenues reflecting increases in all our key business drivers. These revenue results show that our strategies, coupled with our team's solid execution, are delivering and we remain focused on driving the business towards profitability. Our 15th anniversary celebration, marked by the opening of the Crush's Coaster and Cars Race Rally attractions as well as the new Disney's Once Upon a Dream Parade, has created another level of emotional connections with our guests. In fiscal year 2008, the Celebration Continues, Big Time with the April grand opening of The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror(TM)(i) in the Walt Disney Studios=AE Park. This iconic Disney attraction will add to the high-quality experiences we offer visitors to our Resort - the place where dreams come true." Revenues by Operating Segment Revenues of the Group are detailed as follows: Quarter Ended December 31, EUR in millions, unaudited) 2007 2006 Amount % Theme parks 175.1 153.6 21.5 14.0% Hotels and Disney=AE Village 126.7 108.7 18.0 16.6% Other 14.3 15.8 (1.5) (9.5)% Resort operating segment 316.1 278.1 38.0 13.7% Real estate development 24.4 6.0 18.4 306.7% operating segment Total revenues 340.5 284.1 56.4 19.9% Resort operating segment revenues increased 14% to EUR 316.1 million from EUR 278.1 million in the prior-year quarter. Theme parks revenues increased 14% to EUR 175.1 million from EUR 153.6 million in the prior-year quarter, reflecting a 10% increase in attendance and a 3% increase in average spending per guest. The increase in theme parks attendance primarily reflects growth in the Spanish, Dutch and British markets. The increase in average spending per guest primarily reflects growth from admissions and food and beverage. Hotels and Disney Village revenues increased 17% to EUR 126.7 million from EUR 108.7 million in the prior-year quarter, reflecting an 11% increase in average spending per room and a 6.8% increase in hotel occupancy. The increase in average spending per room reflects increases in daily room rates at certain of our hotels. The increase in hotel occupancy resulted from an incremental 36,000 room nights compared to the prior-year quarter, primarily driven by more guests visiting from Spain and the U.K. Other revenues, which primarily include participant sponsorships, transportation and other travel services sold to guests, decreased EUR 1.5 million to EUR 14.3 million. Real estate development operating segment revenues increased EUR 18.4 million from the prior-year quarter, primarily resulting from EUR 12.5 million of revenue related to the sale of a property in Val d'Europe which had been subject to a long-term ground lease. This sale therefore resulted in higher real estate costs. Update on Recent and Upcoming Events On April 1, 2007, the Group launched the celebration of the 15th anniversary of DLP. In June, the Group opened 2 new attractions at the Walt Disney Studios=AE Park, Crush's Coaster and Cars Race Rally, inspired by the Disney/Pixar hit animated films Finding Nemo and Cars, respectively. The celebration continues in fiscal year 2008 with the addition of The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror(TM)(i), which opens in April and has been very popular in the U.S. Disney parks and Stitch Live, a new interactive experience. These attractions are designed to add to the appeal and capacity of DLP, further enhancing the guest experience to drive revenue growth. On November 8, 2007, the Company announced the implementation of a 100 to 1 consolidation of shares, commonly referred to as a reverse stock split, as authorized by the Company's shareholders. Effective consolidation took place on December 3, 2007 and currently 96% of the Company's shares have been consolidated. Next Scheduled Release: Half-year report on the liquidity contract in April 2008 Additional Financial Information can be found on the internet at http://corporate.disneylandparis.com Consolidated shares Unconsolidated shares Code ISIN: FR0010540740 Code ISIN: FR0000125874 Code Reuters: EDL.PA Code Reuters: EDLNR.P Code Bloomberg: EDL FP Code Bloomberg: EDLNR FP The Group operates DLP which includes: Disneyland=AE Park, Walt Disney Studios=AE Park, 7 themed hotels with approximately 5,800 rooms (excluding approximately 2,400 additional 3rd-party rooms located on the site), 2 convention centers, Disney=AE Village, a dining, shopping and entertainment centre, and a 27-hole golf course. The Group's operating activities also include the development of the 2,000-hectare site, half of which is yet developed. Euro Disney S.C.A.'s shares are listed and traded on Euronext Paris. --------------------------------- (i) Inspired by The Twilight Zone=AE, a registered trademark of CBS, Inc. 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--YCalReminder=F3ADLStYHPBJTfLyQlVTeS1M5DW1201243810-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 07:41:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33082 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 15:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 15:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 15:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:40:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:40:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:40:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:40:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park adds new ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=go8qihKZGgnbd0WngC6SWMJQJPDuBQao49l8v3eYMbwG_QM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 23, 2008 The Coeur d'Alene Press http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2008/01/24/news/news02.txt By Lucy Dukes ATHOL, ID -- Silverwood Theme Park (SW) is adding the largest, most expensive roller coaster it has ever purchased: A 191' steel ride almost twice the height of the park's next highest roller coaster, Tremors. "It's going to make the Corkscrew look like a tinker toy," said Nancy DiGiammarco, marketing, sales and public relations director for SW. The ride -- to be named by the public through a contest -- will be assembled this spring. The park plans to open it in July, locating it behind Tremors. No exact date has been set for it to begin taking passengers. It will cost about $4 million, maybe more, including the price of installation. The giant, 2-towered inverted boomerang will pull riders up a 90-degree incline before dropping them 177' at speeds of more than 65 mph. Riders will experience the pull of 4.5 positive G forces, according to a press release. Riders will go through a cobra roll and loop at more than 100' in the air. Upon reaching the 2nd tower, the ride will hoist them again up a 90-degree incline to stare at the sky before they drop backward down the track. "It is not only going to turn your world upside down, but also turn you backward," DiGiammarco said Wednesday. 32 riders can go at once on the one and a half minute ride, which has a capacity of 750 people per hour. The ride is far more complex than anything SW has installed before, said SW founder Gary Norton. The roller coaster formerly resided at Six Flags Great America (6FGA) near Chicago, under the name Deja Vu. 4 of this kind of roller coaster were made by a Dutch company called Vekoma. Norton said SW found out about the opportunity to buy it in November. 6FGA is getting rid of it in the midst of financial trouble. "It just turned out we had the right spot," he said. The ride will fill 50 truckloads in the move to Idaho. DiGiammarco said that adding the roller coaster is "kind of the next leap" in SW's progression. The theme park has become a destination, she said, and the time is right to add the ride -- especially with exchange rates favorable to drawing Canadian tourists. "It will affect the whole tourist industry," she said. Coeur d'Alene Area Chamber of Commerce Executive Director Jonathan Coe said SW's announcement made at the Best Western Coeur d'Alene Inn was exciting. SW's continued investment is important to the area, he said. "The park just keeps getting better and better and better," Coe said. Competitive Edge Racing School owner Randy Koch was also enthusiastic. When dad comes to the area to learn race car driving, "this gives the whole family a reason to come," he said. "I think this is going to be a situation where our customers are going to spend more days." Sterling Bank employee and "roller coaster enthusiast" Mark Butera said the ride would "push the thrill ride envelope." He came to hear the announcement, he said, because Sterling would like to finance the ride. "A 200' roller coaster is a big deal," Butera said. It's difficult to say how many more people the ride will draw, Norton said. Last year the park had 550,000 visitors. A name for the new roller coaster will be chosen from entries by the public. 10 finalists will be chosen, and will be among the first to ride the roller coaster. The winner will get a 2008 gold season pass. More details will be released on SW's Web site, www.silverwoodthemepark.com. With the added attraction, the admission price for adults will go up to $36.99. Children and senior admission will remain $19.99. SW has more than 65 rides and attractions, and has maintained a continuous program of expansion and improvements. Its most recent project, at $5 million, doubled Boulder Beach last year. Other SW plans call for ongoing infrastructure improvements and beautification. Norton said his goal is to make SW approach the famed Butchart Gardens, on Canada's Vancouver Island. --------------- Copyright =A9 2008, The Coeur d'Alene Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 07:47:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40528 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 15:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 15:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 15:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:47:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:47:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:47:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: TDOT offers hope for Bible Park access road X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4bLjkvD8L40JSKnWMuTJ3iP8Bz5-D37AIpwrw3n-kpFW0v8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 25, 2008 The Tennessean http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080125/COUNTY07/80= 1250408 By Turner Hutchens MURFREESBORO, TN -=97 A concept for a new access road to a proposed Bible-based theme park has received tentative state approval, but developers say plans for the park still aren't ready. The Tennessee Department of Transportation has said it could permit the construction of a road for the proposed park, known at this stage as Bible Park USA, in the Blackman community on the northwest side of Murfreesboro. A Jan. 17 letter to Armon Bar-Tur, a partner in the project, states that a plan for the road as shown in a conceptual drawing could be permitted. The road would connect the new Beesley Rd just south of the SR-840 interchange, then cross SR-840 in the vicinity of Manson Pike, taking vehicles directly to the park, according to concept drawings submitted to TDOT. Bar-Tur said Wednesday that the design released by TDOT was only 1 of a few concepts being considered to allow access to the park. "We've been planning to minimize any impact to local traffic, and all of our plans that we've been working on do that," he said. TDOT spokeswoman B.J. Doughty said the process to approve an access road was just a beginning. No funds have been committed, and permitting for the road would require a detailed plan and consideration by TDOT's permitting department, she said. Park has drawn criticism Developers say the park would have nondenominational depictions of Bible stories. They introduced the idea for the park last April. Rutherford County business leaders see the park as a tourism boost. But many of its would-be neighbors strongly oppose it, saying the park would hurt property values and their community. Rafe Hyatt, who lives on Blackman Rd near the proposed park site, said he was concerned that the development may not be financially sound. "The developers should be required to present to the public =97 not just the commission =97 a business plan that says this thing will succeed," he said. He said any decisions on the park should be voted on in a countywide referendum. -------------- Copyright =A9 2008 The Tennessean From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 07:53:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52777 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 15:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 15:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 15:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 15:53:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:53:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Hard Rock Park months away from opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6wlFSKJBRsSCuazkXPA6KFfJpOhJvK3e2UyNQpXVmwxxhr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 24, 2008 WPDE - ABC 15 http://www.wpde.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=3D88516 By Amanda Kinseth MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- Anticipation continues to build with just 3 months left until the opening of the world's first rock-and-roll theme park located in Myrtle Beach. Construction crews have finished a major addition to Hard Rock Park (HRP): a giant guitar. HRP announced their partnership with Gibson Guitar Thursday, no doubt adding to the park's rock-n-roll image. The worlds largest Gibson Guitar is the centerpiece of the park at The Cinderella's Castle. "This is probably going to be the most photographed item in the park. As you come down the entry plaza you're going to see this guitar," Steven Goodwin, HRP CEO, said. You can't miss the 70' icon towering over the HRP lagoon. It represents the park's partnership with the worldwide instrument producer which, HRP's CEO says, will help with their worldwide reach. Goodwin said, "We think it just strengthens are ability to bring artists here and be relevant to the rock music industry as well as provide a great theme park experience." Officials say construction is on target. Crews continue to work on buildings, landscaping and rides. The front area is 99% complete and future park-goers can see the roller coaster- Led Zeppelin, the ride and now the Gibson guitar from the road. Which helps to building the anticipation. "Pretty excited. Should be real cool. The ride looks pretty amazing," said Ted Panaretos of Horry County. Felix Mussenden, HRP COO said, "I'm going to have one great evening when it comes down to finally seeing some smiling faces coming to the park and enjoying the rides and the entire facility." The guitar isn't just for looks. Park officials tell NewsChannel 15 it will actually be able to shoot fireworks and lasers. The grand opening is May 9th. We're still waiting to hear who will be the opening act. HRP says they'll announce that next month. -------------- Copyright 2008 Barrington Broadcasting Corporation From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 08:04:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71379 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 16:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 16:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 16:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:03:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:03:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: DreamWorks to build theme park in Dubai X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hJkhHtMyviB0i3JQyKU7kkep9fHNJLOJyl0ll9b6DCxduKw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 23/01/2008 The Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D/news/2008/01/22/wdubai122= .xml By Catherine Elsworth DUBAI, UAE -- The Hollywood studio DreamWorks (DW) is planning to build its first theme park in the booming Persian Gulf state of Dubai. The project, which will include themed restaurants, hotels and shops, is expected to cover 5-million sq-ft and feature rides incorporating characters from the studio's animated blockbusters such as Shrek and its forthcoming release Kung Fu Panda. DW, headed by Jeffrey Katzenberg, has teamed up with state-owned property firm Tatweer for the project, which marks the latest in a series of deals between Hollywood production companies and United Arab Emirates developers. "We are thrilled to bring the first DW Animation-dedicated theme park to Dubai," said Katzenberg. The park will be built at Dubailand, an entertainment megaplex being constructed by Tatweer that is billed as the world's largest tourism, leisure and entertainment complex. Katzenberg said the partnership would "create an exciting destination where families and tourists will enjoy the unique opportunity to interact with DW characters and brands". DW is among a host of Hollywood studios that view the wealthy Western-oriented emirate as fertile territory for promoting their brands. Seen as the playground of the oil-rich Gulf, Dubai attracts millions of visitors - including many Britons - with its tax-free shopping, extravagant shopping malls and winter sunshine. Its booming economy and tax haven status have also drawn huge numbers of foreign businesses and workers, prompting a property boom that features some of the world's most lavish and ambitious developments - projects currently under way include the world's tallest building and largest indoor ski slope. British tourists are increasingly buying properties in Dubai as holiday homes or investments. Celebrities such as David and Victoria Beckham, Rod Stewart, Michael Schumacher and Michael Owen are among those to invest there. Dubai has also recently taken off as a service centre for high-tech and financial businesses. The DW announcement follows a deal struck in September under which Warner Brothers will establish a theme park in the UAE capital, Abu Dhabi. The development will include a hotel and several multiplex cinemas. Marvel Entertainment has unveiled plans for a theme park in Dubai featuring Spiderman, the X-Men and the Incredible Hulk. Nickelodeon signed up to the same project allowing its famous characters - SpongeBob Squarepants and Dora the Explorer - to join the comic book stars. Meanwhile, Paramount has signed a licensing deal for a series of Dubai-based parks and rides inspired by blockbusters such as Mission Impossible, Top Gun and The Godfather. In May, Tatweer announced a $2 billion deal with Universal Parks and Resorts to build Universal City Dubailand. The large theme park will feature rides similar those at its Florida and California attractions based on film hits such as Revenge of the Mummy and Jurassic Park. -------------- =A9 Copyright of Telegraph Media Group Limited 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 08:10:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15826 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 16:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 16:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 16:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:10:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:10:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Theme park's lenders split over low offer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=syOpFZIVamBzO2MsgqgIWAiPcPF7Ph10w1sMkLfaeIUzgbo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 23, 2008 The Wichita Eagle http://www.kansas.com/101/story/289128.html By Bill Wilson VALLEY CANTER, KS -- Thomas Etheredge's lenders reportedly are split over a new, low offer to buy Wild West World. That split and the lenders' decision last summer to turn down an offer to acquire and operate the park has upset Park City officials. It's time to strike a deal with the newest bidder, Park City officials say. The bidder's identity is unknown, but sources close to the bankruptcy call it a "legitimate amusement park operator." "I think (Etheredge's) bankers are crazy," Park City Mayor Dee Stuart said. "They're trying to cover their butts, and it's a huge mistake. Everybody comes out better if we find a park operator." The offer reportedly grew out of the last-ditch sales campaign mounted by Grant and Bradley Tidemann of J.P. Weigand & Sons. "I understand that the banks are trying to get out of this as best they can," Park City Administrator Jack Whitson said. "But I feel like they better get used to this, because this is what's coming down the pike." Also driving that frustration is the lenders' decision late last summer to turn down a risk assumption offer from the owners of Magic Springs, a Hot Springs, AR, theme park. The offer reportedly was an agreement to cooperate with Etheredge's lenders, with an agreement to pay the banks about $13 million -- well under the $24 million in debt on the park -- from future profits. However, Stuart and Whitson said the Arkansas park committed to an immediate $5 million down payment, with $15 million in capital improvements over the first 5 years. Magic Springs president Dan Aylward was out of town Tuesday and couldn't be reached for comment. Magic Springs isn't involved in the current round of talks, according to sources close to the bankruptcy. But Park City officials wish they were. "Hey, when you lend that kind of money to someone like Etheredge, you're taking a risk," Stuart said. "But now that these banks have taken a risk with someone who clearly didn't know what he was doing, they won't take a risk with a company that's done this kind of revival twice before. Makes no sense." Rex Reynolds, president of First National Bank of Southwest Kansas in Mount Hope, the lead bank in Etheredge's consortium of lenders, did not return calls Tuesday. The bank's Wichita attorney, Bill Sorensen, declined to comment. Park City has a vested interest in the park's revival -- a $1 million interest in the parking lot and bridge leading to the park's entrance and the Johnny Western Theatre. Without a sale to an amusement park operator, the city will be forced to market its property to developers, likely at a big loss. "We're just waiting and hoping," Whitson said. "It's frustrating for us, but the banks are the key players in this. They just need to realize that they're not going to get a lot of money out of the park unless they do a deal like the Arkansas deal. "It's a risk, still a sort of investment, but we've all got a better chance of getting our money back." ------------- Copyright 2008 Kansas.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 08:18:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12824 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 16:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 16:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 16:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:17:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:17:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Disney May Raise Stake in Hong Kong X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=50kt6ABFNM6SCqxPL-m04CRwNZDnlEMvtRsXFbcerBzN7Xc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 21, 2008 Bloomberg http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=3D20601080&sid=3Da8QItkeRBqjs By Le-Min Lim LANTAU ISLAND, HONG KONG, CHINA -- Walt Disney Co., the 2nd-largest U.S. media company, may increase its stake in its struggling Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL) theme park as attendance figures falter. "We do anticipate an additional investment ourselves," said HKDL's managing director, Bill Ernest, in an interview in Hong Kong (HK) today. He didn't elaborate. Disney owns a 43% stake in HKDL with HK's government, which paid for land reclamation, roads and other supporting works, holding the balance. HKDL in November asked banks to allow it to delay debt repayments amid falling attendances, prompting some lawmakers to claim it wasn't designed to cater for local habits and culture. The Burbank, California-based company isn't in talks on opening a park in Shanghai, Ernest said today. "We are fully focused on our HK park," he said. HKDL attracted more than 4 million visitors in its 2nd year of operations, the city's Tourism Commission said in a paper to be discussed by lawmakers. In the 12 months after opening in September 2005, more than 5 million visitors arrived, which was less than forecast. "We expect to be busier this year than last year," Ernest said, declining to specify targets. HKDL agreed with lenders in November to remove debt covenants to help it focus on attracting more visitors. Disney will forgo royalties. ------------- Copyright 2008 Bloomburg L.P. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 08:30:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30851 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 16:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 16:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 16:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 16:29:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:29:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?RUMOR:_Yorkshire_mulls_=A3250m_theme_park_offer?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TtvQsrul-nIQvutIFGgTqylLY_zeRBFLn31h48EK2ju_Zo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 18/01/08 ATE on-line http://www.ateonline.co.uk/60/74/79/articles/14104.php DONCASTER, SOUTH YORKSHIRE, UK -- Officials in South Yorkshire are mulling an offer to build a =A3250 million theme park based on the work of author Hans Christian Andersen in the district. Doncaster mayor Martin Winter has reportedly received a letter from the Hans Christian Andersen Theme Park Centre UK PLC inquiring about potential sites for the park, which will include a 300,000 sq ft theme park, with a 750-seater theatre and a concert hall for 3,500 people. News reports suggest the firm is looking to build in Britain because it regards Denmark as too small to attract the visitor numbers which would be needed. --------------- =A9 2007 Amusement Trades Limited From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 16:39:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18628 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 00:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 00:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 00:39:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10279 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2008 00:39:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Xg_I0IwVM1k.0cEuIB3ucFLqpttPTDAUeRQokrotKsA8HvIQ24RP2bE5FJ7XoKVfyQaSHSlLeSZoMaf9zhjy4g_BuuS5S2mGSkdVr6Tp_8F0o0Rlrp6yOQIjuqNV6R4lKwM9_eA9s9GGSV_shCc4SD.f X-Received: from [72.70.245.48] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:39:54 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:39:54 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1201282438.3244.46504.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <421623.17232.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Theme park adds new ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=uWrCD14DRwXzD1SfmfSLdemwBVRedHYQX_1CvPJooH4xbD8v7_Oh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The ride is far more complex than anything SW has installed before < I hope the park realizes how true this is. If Six Flags couldn't make it work reliably with their budget, how can Silverwood? > A name for the new roller coaster will be chosen from entries by the public. < How about "Breakdown?" Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Sat Jan 26 03:56:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69846 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 11:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 11:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nsmaster.badgerinternet.com) (207.170.26.132) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 11:56:04 -0000 X-SpamCatcher-Score: 50 [XX] X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by nsmaster.badgerinternet.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with SMTP id 1212438 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:54:32 -0600 X-Received: (qmail 26400 invoked by uid 99); 26 Jan 2008 11:56:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20080126115603.26399.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 26 Jan 2008 05:56:03 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 75.42.232.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 207.170.26.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Theme park adds new ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=PZryo-nfYF4IJou9SiGttZHwlJWhAojl-OC_dtZqdoW3xv0g X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I hope Silverwood has better luck keeping it operating than SFGAm did. And I also hope that the park does not get disappointed by the low rider throughtput. Dave > > Jan 23, 2008 > The Coeur d'Alene Press > http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2008/01/24/news/news02.txt > By Lucy Dukes > > > ATHOL, ID -- Silverwood Theme Park (SW) is adding the largest, most > expensive roller coaster it has ever purchased: A 191' steel ride > almost twice the height of the park's next highest roller coaster, > Tremors. "It's going to make the Corkscrew look like a tinker toy," > said Nancy DiGiammarco, marketing, sales and public relations director > for SW. > ... > > The roller coaster formerly resided at Six Flags Great America (6FGA) > near Chicago, under the name Deja Vu. 4 of this kind of roller coaster > were made by a Dutch company called Vekoma. Norton said SW found out > about the opportunity to buy it in November. 6FGA is getting rid of it > in the midst of financial trouble. "It just turned out we had the > right spot," he said. > > The ride will fill 50 truckloads in the move to Idaho. > > Copyright © 2008, The Coeur d'Alene Press > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 06:09:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79607 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 14:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 14:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.134) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 14:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 14:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 14:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 14:09:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:09:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080126115603.26399.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Theme park adds new ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AWmVeb287dZoCHkyHspQV4DADYY5J64GRo2nM7d6SIHnndhELg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well, they did get the most reliable of the three in the US. Plus,=20 being a smaller park, with the smaller attendance, the throughput=20 should be less of a problem for them than it was at Great America.=20 I never had any lengthy downtimes when I was working at Deja Vu last=20 year that weren't weather related, or because the train hadn't come=20 out of rehab yet. (Granted, it wasn't my home unit, but I was there=20 at least a couple times each month.) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Rounds"=20 wrote: > > I hope Silverwood has better luck keeping it operating than SFGAm=20 did. > And I also hope that the park does not get disappointed by the low=20 > rider throughtput. > Dave >=20 > >=20 > > Jan 23, 2008 > > The Coeur d'Alene Press > > http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2008/01/24/news/news02.txt > > By Lucy Dukes > >=20 > >=20 > > ATHOL, ID -- Silverwood Theme Park (SW) is adding the largest,=20 most > > expensive roller coaster it has ever purchased: A 191' steel ride > > almost twice the height of the park's next highest roller coaster, > > Tremors. "It's going to make the Corkscrew look like a tinker=20 toy," > > said Nancy DiGiammarco, marketing, sales and public relations=20 > director > > for SW. > >=20 > ... > > > > The roller coaster formerly resided at Six Flags Great America=20 (6FGA) > > near Chicago, under the name Deja Vu. 4 of this kind of roller=20 > coaster > > were made by a Dutch company called Vekoma. Norton said SW found=20 out > > about the opportunity to buy it in November. 6FGA is getting rid=20 of=20 > it > > in the midst of financial trouble. "It just turned out we had the > > right spot," he said. > >=20 > > The ride will fill 50 truckloads in the move to Idaho. > >=20 > > Copyright =A9 2008, The Coeur d'Alene Press > >=20 > >=20 > > > From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 15:31:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62731 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 23:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 23:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 23:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 23:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 23:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 23:31:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:31:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.246.209.219 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Theme park adds new ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=sJocQZs0YRej8Bb0BlkNwqAwfpZA5KsQ3musVI_zlpGgzD4ZbARp X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Well, they did get the most reliable of the three in the US. Plus,=20 > being a smaller park, with the smaller attendance, the throughput=20 > should be less of a problem for them than it was at Great America.=20 I'd actually thougght a smaller park like Silverwood would be an ideal location for a Deja Vu for a while. In a big Six Flags, it's noteworthy only for being simple and lacking throughput, and is otherwise just redundant. For something like Silverwood, it'll be a star attraction. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 17:25:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19900 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 01:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 01:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 01:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 01:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 01:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 01:25:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 01:25:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.48 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Thrill of the Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=S7HWDqvKMUvLzQXsNhyWC8EmRs1Gmas1MtwecAavQvCJpBs050ah X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Karen and I received in the mail the other day a magazine from a realtor. The magazine is called American Lifestyle published by Digital Grapes. I guess it's a magazine designed to look as if it came directly from the realtor. I didn't pay much attention to it at first. It had a mish-mash of articles, from travel tips to recipes. But Karen started reading it and found an interesting and lengthy article called "For the Thrill of the Ride." It was written by Chris Gray of GCI, and details how he got into the coaster business. It also focuses on his work at Dollywood on Thunderhead. There are some great photos in it. I'm not sure where you could find a copy of this magazine (possibly by e-mailing Digital Grapes). So I've posted a a series of JPGs of the pages at our site: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/browse/6f0b Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 06:53:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65959 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 14:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 14:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 14:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 14:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 14:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 14:53:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:53:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Lo-Q profits to jump 46% X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nCw-VLDL9zewDzb7k8bMeM-RjYfUJ1Fq6Cs8_uIWD6EEU5Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 28, 2008 ShareCast Yahoo! Finance U.K. & Ireland http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/080128/214/hsbmm.html LONDON, UK -- Amusement park queuing systems supplier Lo-Q has forecast profits for 2007 will rise by at least 46%. Lo-Q anticipates a pre-tax profit for the year ended 31 December 2007 marginally in excess of =A3500,000, it said in a trading update. Cash balances at 31 December 07 are estimated at =A3620,000, it added. 3 theme parks installed the new VQ2020 guest queuing system during the spring of last year, including Dollywood, and the systems worked successfully during the whole season in their new operating environments, the statement said. An extension of its agreement with Six Flags provides for installation of the VQ2020 system into 4 more of the existing parks, as well as into a new park, Six Flags Fiesta Texas, for the 2008 operating season. The aim in 2008 is to win additional theme park operators as customers and expand the number of operators adopting the Text-Q system, Lo-Q added. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 ShareCast From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 06:58:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36486 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 14:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 14:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 14:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 14:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 14:58:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:58:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point to have new area of kids' rides in '08 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hmgGqdMsmUKtbnArCg8stMd14Yo7hD29kWcClzUDpyYRwC8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 28, 2008 The Associated Press Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08028/851201-37.stm?cmpid=3Dlifestyle.xml SANDUSKY, OH -- 7 kids' rides from the Geauga Lake amusement park in northeast Ohio are being given a new home on the other side of the state, at Cedar Point (CP). The park in Sandusky says the miniature train, mini-teacup-style ride and the others will be featured in a new children's area being assembled for the coming season. Planet Snoopy will replace the Peanuts Playground. CP's parent company also owned Geauga Lake but shut it down in September, citing low attendance. When CP opens for 2008 on May 10, other new attractions will include a restaurant with a kids' theme and an extreme sports show. -------------- Copyright 2007 Associated Press Copyright =A91997 - 2008 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 07:04:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79059 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 15:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 15:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 15:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:04:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:04:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Bank forecloses on PiB amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=oT0AD7KuqGxmUlgxbcSa3Y_LtUN1KoeOoBzOg6TCOfaokAs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 23, 2008 Port Clinton News-Herald http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080123/= UPDATES01/80123019 PORT CLINTON, OH -=97 Less than a year after an amusement park opened at Put-in-Bay, the bank that financed it is foreclosing on the property. But the owners of Tailfins Amusement Park said they are working with National Bank of Oak Harbor to pay back the $3.6 million they owe in loans, said co-owner Bill Neff of Put-in-Bay. He said he and his wife, fellow co-owner Lisa, are meeting with National Bank of Oak Harbor officials next week. "If everything works out, we should be open in the spring," he said. ------------ Copyright =A92008 News Herald From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 07:08:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4428 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 15:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 15:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 15:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:08:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:08:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Last stop for Celebration Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-sS8PCfLO0v8jsKsU8VG_cYfRYmR9lk9GXoUP6_hABymSF0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 27, 2008 KJRH-2 http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3D0cfb9a60-1864-481c-9= 37c-a9149efad92d&rss=3D701 by: Prashanthi Musapet TULSA, OK -- Going once, going twice, SOLD! Celebration Station officially closed it's doors in December but it gave patrons the opportunity to own anything on site of the amusement park. Super Auctions helped organize and host the auction Saturday morning, placing hundreds of items up for bid. The public sale offered potential customers everything from arcade games and pool tables to batting cages and mini-golf courses. Some of those who came, like little Sabrina Rainbolt, brought memories with them as well. "I had my 9th birthday here and my cousin had a lot of his birthdays here. I think it's sad and I'm gonna miss it."=20 The family-themed entertainment center, located at 4518 E. Skelly Drive, opened in 1993 and covered more than 7 acres of property. Celebration Station still continues to operate in 5 other locations across the country, including one in Oklahoma City. -------------- =A9 2008 The E.W. Scripps Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 07:15:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92508 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 15:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 15:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 15:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:15:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:15:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Council members hear pitch for Pyramid amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=M7VPAxJTbasIotWIJ-khE127Pj2Yz7o3eGySFFnMVtpD-x4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 22, 2008 WMC-TV 5 http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=3D7758349 by Kontji Anthony MEMPHIS, TN -- Investors pitched a plan to the Memphis City Council Tuesday that would place an amusement park in and around the Pyramid downtown. Memphian Greg Ericson introduced the council to his team, including Michael Burgess, a South African hotel financier, and Barry Funt, an attorney and commercial real estate financier. =20=20=20=20 Ericson pledged he wouldn't drop the ball and leave the city with the bill. "We'll put it right into the contract, steps that we'll take and benchmarks that we'll hit on the way of construction," he said. The entertainment marketing entrepreneur laid out a grand plan: to turn the Pyramid and Mud Island into 2 themed resorts: Pyramid Resorts and Harbor Island. In the plan, the Pyramid becomes an indoor amusement park with the fastest and tallest roller coaster in the world. Also included are a massive retail center and an enclosed path to the Cooke Convention Center. The unused portions of Mud Island would hold two 400-room hotels, with the historic Grand Carousel in one of them. Ericson said he planned to take on the historic Zippin' Pippin roller coaster, upgrade Mud Island Park and its monorail, add and renovate restaurants, and build a waterfront path to connect all the attractions. =20=20=20=20 Council members were hesitant to turn over prime real estate without assurance the Pyramid would come first. "Any deal is going to be contingent on solving the Pyramid problem," council member Shea Flinn said. "If it doesn't do that, it's not a deal I'm interested in." The team at Tuesday's presentation did not offer any documentation to prove they have the funding for the project. Afterwords, Burgess said initial funding was ready. "We're going to finance it initially with our own cash," he said. "The first 50%." Members of the group told council members said they would pay off the Pyramid's $12 million dollar debt, and the plan will not interfere with FedEx Forum's non-compete clause. Finally, they added, if Memphis does not move forward with the plan, someone near Tunica will. ------------ =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2008 WorldNow and WMCTV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 07:20:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50426 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 15:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 15:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 15:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:20:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:20:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Cedar Point 2008 live entertainment auditions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ML0u9kOX82lxwhJ2Fwoz2s5Qtk2UdoI1XB9Jhs0jbFxzPmA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 26, 2008 NBC-24 http://www.nbc24.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=3D89086 SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Point (CP), the amusement park voted the "Best Amusement Park in the World" for a record 10 years in a row, is searching for talented entertainers and technicians during its 40th annual recruitment tour. Representatives from CP in Sandusky, OH, will be holding open interviews and auditions to fill more than 100 jobs in the park's Live Entertainment Division for the 2008 season.=20 Interested candidates can apply and audition on these upcoming sessions at the Cedar Point Live Entertainment Office: * Friday, Feb. 1 from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. * Friday, March 7 from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. * Friday, April 4 from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. With thrilling rides, live entertainment, special attractions and resort accommodations, CP is one of the most popular amusement parks in the country. It is located on a Lake Erie peninsula, midway between Cleveland and Toledo. CP's Live Entertainment Division has received 18 BIG-E Awards, presented by the IAAPA, for excellence in live entertainment. Representatives from the Live Entertainment Division will be looking for: * Performers =96 singers, singer/dancers and singer/musicians * Musicians =96 electric/bass guitar, drum set, tenor saxophone, keyboard and fiddle * Technicians =96 stage managers, ushers, sound and light technicians, stage crew, costume shop personnel and dressers * PEANUTS=99 characters =96 costumed characters and escorts Applicants must be at least 18 years of age by May 2008 to audition.=20 Each audition piece must be limited to 16 bars. Applicants should select music that is upbeat and shows off their personality and ability to interact with audience members. A CD player and piano will be available, but other instruments and amplifiers will not be provided. Interested applicants should bring a 1-page resume with references to the audition. Those who cannot audition in person can send audio and/or videotape along with a resume to: Cedar Point Live Entertainment, One Cedar Point Drive, Sandusky, OH, 44870-5259.=20 Reporting dates run from late April to mid-June, with shows running continuously through late August or early September. For more information, please contact the Live Entertainment Division at 419.627.2388, by e-mail at liveshows@cedarpoint.com or online at cedarpoint.com. -------------------- Copyright 2008 Barrington Broadcasting Corporation From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 07:26:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84631 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 15:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 15:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 15:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:26:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:26:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Luna Park probes ride breakdown X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qF-EhHyDlP31JfokYHlxbwChTaGwD7kZyf2x8DlKccVD9wc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 24, 2008 Australian Broadcasting Corporation Yahoo!7 News http://au.news.yahoo.com/080124/21/15mic.html MELBOURNE, VICTORIA, AU -- St Kilda's Luna Park, in Melbourne's south, is investigating a mechanical failure that left 7 people trapped on an amusement ride today. The teenagers were stranded in 2 cars on the 'Mad Mouse' when operators used the emergency brakes to stop the ride. The group was stuck 10 metres above the ground for about 15 minutes before the fire brigade rescued them. Kate Humphreys was on the ride. "We thought it was the person making it more scary, but then we realised we were stuck up there we ... got a bit scared," she said. The CEO of Luna Park, Mary Stuart, says the ride was stopped as a precautionary measure. "We train our people to act for safety and for caution and that is what we did today," she said. The ride has been closed to the public for the time being. ----------- Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo!7 Pty Limited =A9 2008 ABC From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 07:39:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14074 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 15:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 15:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 15:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2008 15:39:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:39:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 134.241.135.70 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Coaster designer eschews loops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=AcENjIWWuxegHzrd1hriV0A-7mZFGIAU1cR2Axc0RqwI_vXJAhpp X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme From the Onion Radio Network: Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 07:49:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75402 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 15:49:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 15:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 15:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 15:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 15:49:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:49:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Frankly we'd rather go to Dollywood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7x0Hihq548zvdTYxgNYbwXY5N2S58uUaW1_5pV0IaDCt6Qo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 27 2008 The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2008/jan/27/usa.familyholidays?page=3Dall by Martin Love PIGEON FORGE, TN -- 'Go ahead,' says the grey-haired guide in a southern drawl so languorous it makes Deputy Dawg sound clipped. 'Ask hur anythung y'all waarnt...' I go blank, but fortunately my wife is less star-struck. 'Dolly,' she says, 'were you involved in the women's liberation movement?' 'Course I was,' comes the laughing reply. 'I remember when I burnt my bra - it took the firefighters 3 days to put out the blaze!' We are talking to Dolly Parton - not the real Dolly, you understand, but a computerised version of her that cleverly responds to all manner of questions with the appropriate pre-recorded soundbite. Actually, everyone we meet tells us that the tape is just like the real Dolly and that if we are lucky enough to meet her, she'll be just like our new best friend. 'She's just so natural,' says Jackie, who's showing us around. With Dolly's trademark white blonde wigs, painted face and astonishing 40" bust ('all bought and paid for'), 'natural' is not the first adjective you'd use to describe one of country music's most enduring and phenomenally popular stars. We are talking to 'Dolly' in the bowels of her Chasing Rainbows exhibition, just one of 7 theatres in Dolly's very own theme park, the brilliantly named Dollywood. It's not a private park, like Michael Jackson's Neverland; anyone can go - in fact more than 3-million thrill-seekers and music fans visit the 140-acre estate every year, many of them bringing their pets, who shack up at the nearby Doggywood kennels. What Dollywood is, though, is a monument to the diminutive singer's colourful life and her passion for all things connected with the nearby Great Smoky Mountains. And, like so many things in America, from drive-thru cashpoints to drop-in wedding chapels, the park confounds all your expectations. Gay men, embittered divorcees and hopeless romantics who are familiar with the Parton oeuvre, and fans of her outlandish, rhinestone-studded wardrobe, will probably think it would be illegal for a straight man and his family to visit Dollywood - unless we were kitted out in matching pink stetsons and knew the words to 'Jolene' by heart, but in fact (and this is truly something I never thought I'd write) her theme park isn't kitsch. In fact, it's rather tasteful. I realise that, to the legions of human magpies out there, this is sad news. But for anyone interested in genuine mountain music, authentic country cooking and the scariest wooden rollercoaster in America, it's a godsend. The park opened in 1961 as a small tourist attraction called Rebel Railroad. In 1986, against the express wishes of her business advisers, Dolly - who says she likes to 'do business like a man' - bought into the park, renamed it Dollywood, and jokingly admitted that she just needed somewhere where her extended family could be employed. Nestling in the foothills of the Smokies, it's one of the most unusual and attractive theme parks I've ever been to. Yes, it boasts extreme rides - the Mystery Mine drops you 85' down a disused shaft, while Thunderhead features 22 accelerated turns, 32 crossovers and plenty of 'hang time' - where your body defies gravity and your brain and stomach swap places. (Does Dolly herself ever ride, I asked an assistant? 'Er, no,' came the hesitant reply, 'due to certain, um, physical problems...') But in Dollywood you can also watch a fiddle being handcrafted, order an authentic wooden horse carriage, taste apple marmalade as it was made in the 1800s, sit in a 1-room schoolhouse or go to church. Then there are the 40 shops, the dozens of restaurants, the full-size steam engine... It's not your run-of-the-mill scare-you-and-fleece-you theme park. But what's really remarkable about Dollywood is the music. At a dozen theatres and locations across the park, there is a continuous programme of live music. From gospel to bluegrass and doo-wop to rock'n'roll, the place twangs with guitars and gravel-voiced singers. During the month before we visited, the National Gospel celebration was taking place, which featured more than 250 free concerts. We pick and choose our way from the glitzy Great American Country Show to the Smoky Mountain String Band and the Dreamland Drive-In. Our favourite is 'out on the back porch' with the Kinfolks, Dolly's own uncle and aunt. We cheer as the wizened but dapper Lewis Owens, who gave Dolly her first 'geetar', plays classics by Merle Haggard, George Jones, Willie Nelson and Elvis. 'Wasn't he the King of the Beatles?' whispers my 6-y.o. daughter. But for true Dolly fans, the only place to be is that Chasing Rainbows exhibition. Here you can try on the superstar's wigs, sing a duet with her on a TV screen and gawp at her cantilevered dresses. You can also hear about Dolly's extraordinary journey from rags to rhinestones. She was born to dirt-poor farmers, the 4th child of 12, and brought up in a dilapidated 2-room cabin on Locust Ridge in the Great Smoky Mountains, just a few miles from the park. Dolly still owns the shack and returns to it even now for inspiration. It has no electricity and no running water - 'unless you are prepared to run get some'. You can gain your own inspiration from the exact replica she's had built in Dollywood, complete with newspaper-covered walls, quilts made of off-cuts and the family-of-14's only bed. It was from Locust Ridge that the singer, aged just 18 and carrying 'nothing but her music and hairspray', chased her first rainbow to Nashville. Nashville is a 3-hour drive from Dollywood, so we didn't make it quite that far in our week in Tennessee. We did, however, manage to stumble out of the park gates and into the local town of Pigeon Forge. Anyone who has spent any time in a theme park knows that leaving is usually the best part of the day. But at Pigeon Forge, we found the stomach-churning ride was just beginning. While Dollywood presents a bucolic image of what America was like a century ago, Pigeon Forge presents a modern vision of the country that would give Hieronymus Bosch nightmares. The name Pigeon Forge comes from an iron forge built by Isaac Love (no relation) sometime around 1820 on the banks of the Little Pigeon River in an area that for centuries had been used by the Cherokee as a hunting ground. Today, the town unfurls itself for 6 gaudy miles on either side of a 6-lane road known, without apparent irony, as the Parkway. Along the Parkway there are at least a dozen crazy golf courses (we had plans to play a Pigeon Forge championship, but were defeated by the sheer number of courses). There are also at least a dozen multi-level go-kart tracks, plus ranks of malls, motels, pancake houses, donut drive-thrus and a 'Fudge, Knives, Swimwear & Leather' shop - just what every town needs. But even by Pigeon Forge's demanding standards, the winner of our 'Strangest Night of the Week' goes to the Dixie Stampede. Even if you were the adopted offspring of Louis Theroux and Borat, nothing would prepare you for the downright hooting'n'hollering weirdness of the stampede. It takes place in a vast barn right off the Parkway, and is what might be called, in another universe, a 'dinner and show'. About 1,500 people sit at long bench tables around an oval horsering. The show gets under way when 10 bison trot snorting into the ring, through clouds of smoke, to a thumping soundtrack. These are then chased off by yipping and yeehaa-ing women on horses, who do dangerous things while dressed in leather and spangly chaps. We then marvel as men dressed as Civil War soldiers perform headstands, dismounts, somersaults and swordfights - all at a gallop. Later, we pick our jaws off the floor as pigs race round the arena followed by running ostriches ridden by tight-trousered women, and finally a 40' screen appears showing Dolly singing her patriotic anthem 'Colour Me America' ('I see red when evil speaks/Spilling red blood on our streets...'). The good folk to our right all stand, their fists held to their hearts. While this has been happening, all 1,500 of us have been served dinner: corn, soup, potato and a chicken. That's right a whole chicken - each. Oh, and there's no cutlery. Or alcohol. But that's only because you can't really buy booze in Pigeon Forge; the town was completely dry until just 3 years ago. One night, my wife and I brave the taunts of our children ('you're alcoholics, you drink all the time') and drive 12 miles though the rain to buy a bottle of red in Gatlinburg, the next town. Just as you can leave a theme park, so you can leave Pigeon Forge, though 'escape' would be a better word. After 4 days of man-made thrills, we want to see what Mother Nature could offer. So we hire a car and, with the children looking longingly back at the bright lights and pancake parlours of their 'favourite ever town', we drive 10 miles to spend a few days in another park - the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. The park straddles the ridgeline of the Smokies, part of the Blue Ridge Mountains, which are the tail end of Appalachians. It was created in 1936, when the few European farmers who had put down roots were bought out. But their loss is our gain: the park encompasses 814 square miles of totally unspoilt deciduous forest. The Cherokee described these mountains as shaconage, which means 'blue, like smoke' and refers to the drifts of cloud that seem to linger in the vast creases of the steep-sided valleys. We hike to the 100'-high Alum Cave Bluffs, a source of saltpetre for Civil War gunpowder, and gaze, humbled, across miles and miles of soaring, tree-lined ridges. We keep an eye out for bears - the park has a thriving population of them. We heed signs that warn a 'fed bear is a dead bear' and take our picnic leavings home. We practise looking intimidating too - this is effective against an aggressive bear apparently, and a useful life skill for the school playground, I figure. Needless to say we don't see any bears, though when we take a horseback ride we do see wild geese and numerous deer. The following day, we head for Cades Cove, a stunningly picturesque valley first settled by Englishmen in the 1820s. It has been left exactly as it was when the park was formed in the 1930s. We peer into John Oliver's house, a 1-room log cabin, just like the one we are staying in - except that ours has a 48" plasma telly, a 6-person hot tub, underfloor heating and a full-size pool table, of course. We also sit for a moment in the area's Primitive Baptist church. While we pause, several groups of visiting Baptists get talking and decide on an impromptu hymn. The men sing out, the women weave their harmonies into every heartfelt line and the rough planks of the simple wooden room echo with their voices, just as they probably did each Sunday for John Oliver all those lifetimes ago. On our final day, we head back to Dollywood. The park is beginning to gear up for Christmas, and more than 3.5 million fairy lights are being readied. Rehearsals are also under way for this year's production of Dollywood's Babes in Toyland. Ah, a touch of kitsch at last... ------------ =A9 Guardian News and Media Limited 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 07:53:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86358 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 15:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 15:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 15:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 15:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 15:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 15:53:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:53:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: 2007 Internet Steel Tracked Roller Coaster Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Lz2wPuhpHqksTcmKpb9nLOmtxkvFBNsJct6mMslSPBxb5eI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 It's here, and it's ready for you! The deadline is February 20th - so hurry. http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 08:09:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14958 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 16:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 16:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 16:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:09:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:09:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags considers selling more parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rFXPgR02rpkUDOEzSVx8HaFWLpynY7fe088y3-cs4hxrVEk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 28, 2008 San Antonio Business Journal St. Louis Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/01/28/daily1.html?ana=3Dfro= m_rss by W. Scott Bailey NEW YORK, NY -- The financial roller coaster ride for Fiesta Texas' (6FFT) parent company Six Flags Inc. (6F) has taken another dramatic turn. Amid speculation from some industry observers that the deeply indebted 6F could be headed for bankruptcy, company executives have filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission a plan that calls for huge spending cuts and the possible sale of more parks. 6F operates an amusement park in Pacific, MO, along with 20 other parks around the nation. 6F CEO Mark Shapiro is leading the turnaround effort for the company, which owns 21 theme parks, including San Antonio's 6FFT. Some industry observers are skeptical, however, that Shapiro can overcome the hurdle of roughly $2 billion in debt inherited from previous 6F management. Dennis Speigel, president of Cincinnati-based International Theme Park Services Inc., says the debt load is a major issue. Last week he told the Business Journal: "You could bring back Walt Disney (to run 6F) and that company is still going to struggle." Shapiro, a former Disney executive who came to 6F from ESPN, remains undaunted. But he is preparing to make some more big changes. According to the company's SEC filing, 6F is prepared to slash media spending and trim personnel this year. The plan is to cut operating expenses by as much as $60 million in 2008. As much as half of that is expected to come from "marketing-related" cuts, SEC documents state. 6F officials, who want to cut loose one of the company's 3 advertising agencies, plan to reduce radio spending and concentrate more on Internet-driven opportunities that will attract more teens. Still more cuts are planned. 6F officials want to slash another $25 million to $30 million from operating costs by cutting personnel and getting rid of what they characterize as inefficient rides and attractions. The personnel move would result in a reduction of the company's "full-time (employee) headcount," primarily through an early retirement program, according to the SEC filing. An additional labor adjustment would come as a result of the implementation of what 6F officials refer to as a "real-time seasonal labor tracking system." The trimming may not end there. According to the SEC filing, 6F will consider selling off as many as 3 more theme parks if the price is right. Previous management shuttered 6F Astroworld. In June 2006, the Houston Business Journal reported that Angel/McIver Interests LP had finalized the purchase of the 104 acres where Astroworld was located. In 2007, 6F sold off 7 additional parks. The company still has not reopened its New Orleans theme park, which it claims suffered substantial damage caused by Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Scott Rothbort, a New Jersey-based investment adviser and professor of finance at Seton Hall University's Stillman School of Business, says 6F may indeed need to sell off some parks. "It's just a bad business model," Rothbort says, summing up 6F's ongoing struggles. "None of this surprises me," says Speigel about 6F's planned cuts. Nor would he be especially surprised if 6FFT or the real estate beneath it were eventually sold. Former 6FFT executive Paul Serff, now president and CEO of the Texas Travel Industry Association, says he has no idea what the future holds for 6F or its San Antonio theme park. "All I know is that 6FFT is a great park and an important asset to San Antonio," Serff says. Still optimistic, Shapiro took over as 6F CEO in January 2006. Early last year he announced plans to significantly increase ad spending and invest in new rides as part of an ongoing effort to try and steadily grow park attendance and revenues. In a March 27, 2007, presentation to Lehman Bros., Shapiro outlined an aggressive plan that included a hefty increase in marketing dollars -- from $59 million in 2006 to more than $84 million for 2007. That plan included a doubling of the amount of funds spent on domestic television and outdoor media. Despite Shapiro's spirited efforts and the increased ad spending, 6F experienced only a slight bump in attendance last year. The turnstile count was 24.8 million in 2006 and 24.9 million in 2007. For the 9 months ended Sept. 30, 2007, 6F reported a net loss of $142.7 million on revenues of $860.6 million. Full financial results for 2007 were not yet available at press time. What is clear at this time is that 6F stock price continues to fall. The 52-week high for 6F stock was $6.80 per share. At press time it had dropped to $1.55 per share -- in a market that has turned bear overall in recent weeks. Shapiro remains upbeat. He says 6F will continue to invest in its parks. And he notes that there were some 4h-quarter 2007 indicators -- modest gains in attendance and revenue and an increase in season pass sales versus the last quarter of 2006 -- that have helped create some reason for 6F management to remain optimistic. "We're looking forward to building on this momentum in 2008," Shapiro says. Says Speigel about 6F's future: "I don't know where this goes from here. But they've got to make some cuts and sell some properties." --------------- =A9 2008 American City Business Journals, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 08:15:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64782 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 16:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 16:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 16:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:15:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:15:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: World's longest inverted roller coaster to run in Guangzhou X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aUbksoXDgY4Ak3cUyEzjFSxXftkel2YDUfLHz5AWujV9Bm4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2008-01-23 Xinhuanet China Economic Net http://en.ce.cn/National/Local/200801/23/t20080123_14332553.shtml GUANGZHOU, GUANGZHOU PROVINCE, CHINA -- The world's longest inverted roller coaster will start running during China's upcoming Spring Festival in an amusement park in this capital city of south China's Guangdong Province, offering the thrilling fun of falling 80 meters, the park said Tuesday. Xiong Xiaojie, assistant to the president of the Chimelong Paradise, told Xinhua on Tuesday that the one-km-long roller coaster, designed by Switzerland-based Bolliger and Mabillard for the park, will be safety tested on Jan. 28, and has a planned debut in China's most important festival, the Spring Festival, which falls on Feb. 7 this year. -------------- Copyright =A9 2006 China Economic Net From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 08:17:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8628 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 16:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 16:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 16:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:17:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:17:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: World's longest inverted roller coaster to run in Guangzhou X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=msiMtynB3PM516MHzgkdkME2tzSuDVrPxlgOHe3RVX9zj_Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Actually, if you look at the photos, it's a Floorless Diving Coaster. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > 2008-01-23 > Xinhuanet > China Economic Net > http://en.ce.cn/National/Local/200801/23/t20080123_14332553.shtml >=20 >=20 > GUANGZHOU, GUANGZHOU PROVINCE, CHINA -- The world's longest inverted > roller coaster will start running during China's upcoming Spring > Festival in an amusement park in this capital city of south China's > Guangdong Province, offering the thrilling fun of falling 80 meters, > the park said Tuesday. >=20 > Xiong Xiaojie, assistant to the president of the Chimelong Paradise, > told Xinhua on Tuesday that the one-km-long roller coaster, designed > by Switzerland-based Bolliger and Mabillard for the park, will be > safety tested on Jan. 28, and has a planned debut in China's most > important festival, the Spring Festival, which falls on Feb. 7 this year. > -------------- > Copyright =A9 2006 China Economic Net From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 08:22:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25811 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 16:22:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:22:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Carowinds finds a new home for Geauga Lake Yo Yo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9p3H0r7ibI8fQAC91YWsCUx9lcJUQ1HTIMHAhkvommpU6yo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 29th, 2008 Thrill Network.com http://www.thrillnetwork.com/stories_view.php/2141/carowinds_finds_home_gea= uga_lake_yo_yo.html CHARLOTTE, NC -- When it was announced that Geauga Lake's ride side was gone for good and that some of the flat rides and roller coasters would find new homes at other Cedar Fair properties, many enthusiasts started making their wish lists. Dominator found a new home at Kings Dominion, Thunderhawk headed north, the park's top spin found a new home out west among many ride moves and just this week Carowinds revealed that it has found a new home for the park's Chance Yo Yo. The ride originally debuted at Geauga Lake in 1978 and thrilled families for years. Carowinds will run Yo Yo (they kept the same name) in the County Fair section of the park. Rumors place it in the spot once home to the park's first swing ride The Whirling Dervish (wave swinger). Hopefully Yo Yo will be setup the same way as The Whirling Dervish, allowing riders to swing out over Flight Deck (formerly Top Gun =96 The Jet Coaster). Carowinds plans to debut Yo Yo in March. -------------- =A9 2001-2007 ThrillNetwork, LLC. Copyright 2008 Cedar Fair Entertainment Company From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jan 29 11:01:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8457 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 19:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 19:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 19:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 19:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 19:01:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:01:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: World's longest inverted roller coaster to run in Guangzhou X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=EMcoiVHRJg98JwkSua4qa9s45BrQXWLgvgoOsI63O4yj9TbMblctcXewMA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 10-across seating at that!=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > > Actually, if you look at the photos, it's a Floorless Diving=20 Coaster. > -Alan >=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 2008-01-23 > > Xinhuanet > > China Economic Net > > http://en.ce.cn/National/Local/200801/23/t20080123_14332553.shtml > >=20 > >=20 > > GUANGZHOU, GUANGZHOU PROVINCE, CHINA -- The world's longest=20 inverted > > roller coaster will start running during China's upcoming Spring > > Festival in an amusement park in this capital city of south=20 China's > > Guangdong Province, offering the thrilling fun of falling 80=20 meters, > > the park said Tuesday. > >=20 > > Xiong Xiaojie, assistant to the president of the Chimelong=20 Paradise, > > told Xinhua on Tuesday that the one-km-long roller coaster,=20 designed > > by Switzerland-based Bolliger and Mabillard for the park, will be > > safety tested on Jan. 28, and has a planned debut in China's most > > important festival, the Spring Festival, which falls on Feb. 7=20 this > year. > > -------------- > > Copyright =A9 2006 China Economic Net > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jan 29 11:04:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85833 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 19:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 19:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 19:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 19:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 19:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 19:04:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:04:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Disney restaurants question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=zUpXze52oxEfna_75-UfNVioMsCoOKmd4YBnYID_9c0JM3dRzqzlEJ9BOg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 hey, this is to George or anyone else that knows Disney well.=20 we are going to Sea World with our 2 year old son on thursday, and we=20 were wondering if any of the restaurants on the Disney campuses you=20 could get to without having to pay to get into the actual parks. sort=20 of like the restaurants right outside Universal. specifically, one=20 that would be distracting and entertaining to a kid my son's age. any=20 suggestions would be great! From jason.asbury@gmail.com Tue Jan 29 11:05:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jason.asbury@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68067 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 19:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 19:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.170.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 19:05:31 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id e23so414786rng.17 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:05:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.160.1 with SMTP id m1mr3565038wfo.90.1201633530880; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:05:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.110.10 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:05:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e26cc900801291105o70564405w59cb718241991017@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:05:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jason Asbury" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney restaurants question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=251299370; y=RYDGbmRqp5SSQr6W6Z4O-M2ElUkQSvDVjCZCmnVBHQn9blqo618 X-Yahoo-Profile: foxtrot1219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, The Rainforest Cafe jumps immediately to mind. They have a location in Downtown Disney and also a location at Animal Kingdom. Jason On Jan 29, 2008 2:04 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: > hey, > > this is to George or anyone else that knows Disney well. > > we are going to Sea World with our 2 year old son on thursday, and we > were wondering if any of the restaurants on the Disney campuses you > could get to without having to pay to get into the actual parks. sort > of like the restaurants right outside Universal. specifically, one > that would be distracting and entertaining to a kid my son's age. any > suggestions would be great! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 12:10:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6584 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 20:10:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 20:10:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 20:10:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 20:10:54 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 20:10:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 20:10:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:10:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7e26cc900801291105o70564405w59cb718241991017@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Disney restaurants question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=L7IouLRSKSdsNd4FrNv5L5ZWaz9JA_K0nLit1i9eoSI5TmA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I also think there's a bunch of stuff in Downtown Disney. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Asbury" wrote: > > Doug, >=20 > The Rainforest Cafe jumps immediately to mind. They have a location in > Downtown Disney and also a location at Animal Kingdom. >=20 > Jason >=20 > On Jan 29, 2008 2:04 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: >=20 > > hey, > > > > this is to George or anyone else that knows Disney well. > > > > we are going to Sea World with our 2 year old son on thursday, and we > > were wondering if any of the restaurants on the Disney campuses you > > could get to without having to pay to get into the actual parks. sort > > of like the restaurants right outside Universal. specifically, one > > that would be distracting and entertaining to a kid my son's age. any > > suggestions would be great! > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 13:35:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35612 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 21:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 21:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 21:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-141-63.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.141.63] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JJy6s-0005lP-RB for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <479F9B77.4050809@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:32:39 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1589f7192fe2e2997f809760b0b2bb7ca0b2c0bc047c434350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney restaurants question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=EBuQ2YwP2kOTww_ryqENLBSLQu-K2Cb3B4a9gUDk5Zymweg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > > hey, > > this is to George or anyone else that knows Disney well. > > we are going to Sea World with our 2 year old son on thursday, and we > were wondering if any of the restaurants on the Disney campuses you > could get to without having to pay to get into the actual parks. sort > of like the restaurants right outside Universal. specifically, one > that would be distracting and entertaining to a kid my son's age. any > suggestions would be great! > You can't go to any of the restaurants in the parks themselves, obviously, but everything else is fair game. That includes anything at any of the resort hotels (e.g. Chef Mickey's at the Contemporary or ESPN Zone at the Boardwalk). All you have to do is tell te parking people you're going in for dinner. Also all of Downtown Disney is open, and has free parking and open access. Rainforest Cafe is there, along with Fultons, House of Blues, and many others. The one thing I would strongly suggest, regardless of where you go, is to make sure you have reservations ahead of time. Keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jan 29 14:16:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43797 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 22:16:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 22:16:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 22:16:30 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so2654655pyh.17 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:16:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.231.20 with SMTP id i20mr15537827qbr.35.1201644989182; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:16:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.135.14 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:16:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801291416uf043e89ybb5695a406f353c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:16:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <479F9B77.4050809@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <479F9B77.4050809@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney restaurants question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=TMHU9Int1Iy_qMt2isUSWPuKtbR07BXHV6chQUMs4eFk6ojB5g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not really making this as a kid-friendly suggestion so much as that you guys made me really hungry for the Earl of Sandwich. :) -Josh On Jan 29, 2008 4:32 PM, george burnash wrote: > > > Doug Nelson wrote: > > > > > > hey, > > > > this is to George or anyone else that knows Disney well. > > > > we are going to Sea World with our 2 year old son on thursday, and we > > were wondering if any of the restaurants on the Disney campuses you > > could get to without having to pay to get into the actual parks. sort > > of like the restaurants right outside Universal. specifically, one > > that would be distracting and entertaining to a kid my son's age. any > > suggestions would be great! > > > > You can't go to any of the restaurants in the parks themselves, > obviously, but everything else is fair game. > > That includes anything at any of the resort hotels (e.g. Chef Mickey's > at the Contemporary or ESPN Zone at the Boardwalk). All you have to do > is tell te parking people you're going in for dinner. > > Also all of Downtown Disney is open, and has free parking and open > access. Rainforest Cafe is there, along with Fultons, House of Blues, > and many others. > > The one thing I would strongly suggest, regardless of where you go, is > to make sure you have reservations ahead of time. > > Keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jan 29 15:15:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86591 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 23:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 23:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 23:15:38 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so9095pye.8 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:15:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.243.10 with SMTP id q10mr64252qbh.15.1201648537793; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:15:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.135.14 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:15:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0801291515s2b969327ha6f7e947ff101e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:15:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Carowinds finds a new home for Geauga Lake Yo Yo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=-E8ekH0NJ_q9LkVp09j51vyRldn8GlQ6CYFczVKcY1uc5sH_wA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now, this is a ride I remember riding as a little kid. It was always in the front area of the park (where the Starfish was in recent years, next to Steel Venom), and at night it was covered in bright yellow light bulbs. Man, the more I see about GL being closed, the more I miss the good ol' days. To be truthful, I wasn't too impressed with the place since the SFO days, it just lost a lot of the memories, anyway. Needless to say, I was no= t in the least bit surprised to see it closing down, and actually I kind of see it as being slightly overdue, given the state of the place in recent years. :( -Josh On Jan 29, 2008 11:22 AM, Alan wrote: > Jan. 29th, 2008 > Thrill Network.com > > http://www.thrillnetwork.com/stories_view.php/2141/carowinds_finds_home_g= eauga_lake_yo_yo.html > > CHARLOTTE, NC -- When it was announced that Geauga Lake's ride side > was gone for good and that some of the flat rides and roller coasters > would find new homes at other Cedar Fair properties, many enthusiasts > started making their wish lists. > > Dominator found a new home at Kings Dominion, Thunderhawk headed > north, the park's top spin found a new home out west among many ride > moves and just this week Carowinds revealed that it has found a new > home for the park's Chance Yo Yo. > > The ride originally debuted at Geauga Lake in 1978 and thrilled > families for years. > > Carowinds will run Yo Yo (they kept the same name) in the County Fair > section of the park. Rumors place it in the spot once home to the > park's first swing ride The Whirling Dervish (wave swinger). > > Hopefully Yo Yo will be setup the same way as The Whirling Dervish, > allowing riders to swing out over Flight Deck (formerly Top Gun =96 The > Jet Coaster). > > Carowinds plans to debut Yo Yo in March. > -------------- > (c) 2001-2007 ThrillNetwork, LLC. > Copyright 2008 Cedar Fair Entertainment Company > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 15:28:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16016 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2008 23:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2008 23:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2008 23:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 23:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 23:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2008 23:28:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:28:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.59.78.204 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: NEWS: World's longest inverted roller coaster to run in Guangzhou X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=-JbRVs4Uq5szUcqK9P6LAYnPqYq2IqD6vuXfByqTa_dP5BxjQl5JPKMW6fUy X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back Wow.. At first I didn't think the pictures were supposed to be of the new coaster, since it says underneath "Riders seek thrills on a roller coaster in Guangzhou, southern China's Guangdong province, on Monday, Jan. 21, 2008." That makes it seem like they're just showing pictures of Chimelong Paradise. However I'm totally confused. If this coaster is about to open, you'd think RCDB would know about it - but it has 2 new coasters for 2008, one a Mack SuperSplash and the other a Mack Water Coaster. Why a park would one both of those, I have no idea. But there's nothing about a new inverted coaster, only a dive machine that's already operating. So it IS a dive machine... But how did they get pictures of it operating IN the article, when the article said it hadn't done it's safety testing when it was written? What is up with this article?! Somebody is wrong here... --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > 10-across seating at that!=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 > wrote: > > > > Actually, if you look at the photos, it's a Floorless Diving=20 > Coaster. > > -Alan From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Jan 30 05:20:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38557 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 13:20:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 13:20:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.175) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 13:20:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 13:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 13:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 13:20:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:20:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: NEWS: Coaster designer eschews loops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=i7dp67xAwLKgvomn2nW5gm0YiHLZCdl4gWtnGRIliiEbKaiFmw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Oh sure, they're trying to be funny. But, except for the last joke=20 about the bumper cars, I could possibly take that seriously. For fans=20 of "traditional" woodie (or wood-like) out-and-backs, there's actually=20 no irony in this. =20 Jon Z (it's not even snowing) The First =20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > From the Onion Radio Network: >=20 > >=20 > Jay > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 09:12:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72543 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 17:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 17:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.128) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 17:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:12:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:12:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park rides to be demolished X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2ATIW3gXMNAeG9Mu2wgHuYKV6BphVN9UW7V4DoYD8zx3vKE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 30 January 2008 BBC News 24 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/7217279.stm ILKESTON, DERBYSHIRE, UK -- Bulldozers have moved in to demolish the remaining rides at a derelict Derbyshire theme park. The county council said some of the attractions such as the Runaway Mine Train at the American Adventure near Shipley posed a health and safety risk. The park closed due to falling attendance levels in 2007. Spokesman Harvey Pearson said the land, which is in a greenbelt area, had not yet been sold and the council has advertised for expressions of interest. He said ideal uses for the site would be as a nature reserve, another tourist attraction or low density business park. "We're leaving some of the structures because it might be part of the resale. "We will look very carefully as to how we sell it," he said. The demolition and clearing is expected to take 6-8 weeks. Expressions of interest are due to close on 21 March. ----------- Copyright BBC MMVIII From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 09:20:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62454 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 17:20:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 17:20:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 17:20:48 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:20:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:20:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Analyst sees Disney park pitfalls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KfhmoXdyVmoaKuWjy2lYQFonCFG0xUrK17iB72gvIWJccuA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 29, 2008 MarketWatch http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid=3D%7B96C0FFB4%2D36F8%= 2D4BB1%2DAC92%2D593A5E9D9F8D%7D&siteid=3Drss By Russ Britt ANAHEIM, CA -- Shares of Walt Disney Co. dropped Tuesday after it was downgraded by a Wall Street analyst over concerns about the company's theme park business, and that prompted a rare response from the entertainment giant. Citigroup's Jason Bazinet cut Disney to sell from hold and reduced his target price to $26 a share from $36, saying that weakness in the company's parks business could be on the horizon. Bazinet said in a note to clients that the probability of selling out rooms at Disney's East Coast properties slipped during the last 3 months of 2007 vs. the year before. He added spot pricing for hotel rooms was down, and that weakness was spilling over to forward pricing. Disney hotel rooms also were cheaper to book 1-week prior to travel than 3-months ahead from October to January, Bazinet noted. "This suggests the calendar [4th quarter] demand Disney anticipated did not materialize, prompting last-minute rate reductions to fill vacant rooms," Bazinet said. Disney CFO Thomas Staggs took the unusual step of responding to Bazinet's claims. Normally, Disney and other companies don't reply to analyst reports or ratings. "Thus far, we are pleased with the pace of business at our parks, especially given the fact that we had record attendance at our domestic parks last year," Staggs said in a prepared statement. "Currently, our room reservations at our domestic resorts for the remainder of our fiscal year are modestly ahead of where they were at this time last year," Staggs went on to say. "Thus far, pricing of rooms at our domestic resorts is tracking slightly above last year." Disney shares were down 2.3% in recent action to $28.70. Bazinet noted there has been no issue with strategy or execution by Disney management. Instead, his concerns stem from whether the company will be able to sustain robust results at the parks. He offered one caveat: that he had similar concerns in 2007 that never materialized. "But now, as we enter 2008, we are getting increasingly concerned that Disney's strategy and strong execution may simply get overshadowed by macroeconomic forces. That is, as energy costs remain stubbornly high, the housing market falters, and equity values pull back, we think it's only natural for consumer spending to slow," Bazinet wrote. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 MarketWatch, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 09:26:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30968 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 17:26:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 17:26:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.164) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 17:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:26:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:26:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock Park is seeking employees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_2cYWGQOkM5PkZ7wZrPVCQW1dxeMUsbD2TPN-owtYliPXD0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 29, 2008 WBTW News 13 SC Now http://www.scnow.com/midatlantic/scp/news.apx.-content-articles-BTW-2008-01= -29-0013.html MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- Hard Rock Park (HRP) is holding auditions and a job fair this weekend. Auditions will be on Saturday, Feb. 2 from 12p.m.-8p.m. and on Sunday, Feb. 3 from 10a.m.-4p.m. at Coastal Carolina University's Edwards Arts & Humanities Building. Park staff is looking for rock stars, actors, improv artists, singers, dancers, stunt performers, costumed characters and rock musicians. Attendees must bring a current headshot and resume. The HRP Job Fair will be held on Feb. 8 & 9 from 10a.m.=964p.m. at Mall #2 (Waccamaw Pottery). HRP is looking to fill positions in food & beverage, merchandise, operations, cash room staffing and stage crew for entertainment venues. HRP deems itself as the world's first rock n' roll theme park. It will be comprised of a 55-acre park on 140-acre development, containing more than 40 attractions, including roller coasters, shows, children's play areas, restaurants, cafes and retail stores, a multi-purpose live music amphitheatre, and ultra-modern sound system specifically developed for the project. ----------- =A9 2008 Media General, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 09:36:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3179 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 17:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 17:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 17:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:36:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:36:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: MOA's Nickelodeon park to open in March X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=w92gVyUUWtNxlG3jHnD3j4nqRwx7Y9WsX-Ujkh0zRXiYBf4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 29, 2008 Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2008/01/28/daily21.html?ana= =3Dfrom_rss by John Vomhof Jr. BLOOMINGTON, MN -- Nickelodeon Universe, the rebranded indoor amusement park at the Mall of America (MOA), will officially open March 15. Construction is underway on several new Nickelodeon-themed rides that will be added to the 7-acre theme park, formerly known as Camp Snoopy. New rides will include 2 roller coasters, the SpongeBob SquarePants Rock Bottom Plunge and Avatar Airbender. MOA will also feature a thrill ride called Splat-O-Sphere that launches riders almost 60' high before taking them back down. Nickelodeon also will open a 4,000-sq-ft retail store inside the theme park. The theme park was called Camp Snoopy from MOA's opening in August 1992 until January 2006, when the mall failed to reach a deal with United Media, one of the largest licensing agencies in the world, to continue using Peanuts characters and names. Since then, MOA has referred to the space as The Park at MOA. MOA reached a branding agreement with Nickelodeon last February. Nickelodeon =AD-- and all related titles, characters and logos -- are trademarks of New York-based Viacom Inc. ---------- =A9 2008 American City Business Journals, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 09:58:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64287 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 17:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 17:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.134) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 17:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:58:01 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:58:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 17:58:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:57:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Plan for theme park frozen solid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XMu5AGXTy5-1HhhH45OwPw84ZSYi3p5AkGUtAkmJziXgB9A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 30, 2008 The Herald-Star http://www.hsconnect.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=3D21553 By Casey Junkins WHEELING, HO -=97 Ohio County officials promised in July 2006 that local residents soon would be able to experience a "wild escape" at The Highlands. Now, 18 months later, the proposed Wild Escape (WE) theme park seems no closer to reality than it was that summer day when officials announced the project =97 and judging by the process to date, that may not change anytime soon. Add to that the possible $35,000 in fines the Ohio County Development Authority (OCDA) faces each day for improper work done across I-70 from The Highlands, where streams allegedly were filled in without valid permits, and it's easy to see county officials have a serious permit issue at the site. They have said the complications could threaten future development there. At the center of the WE holdup are Clean Water Act permits that have to be issued by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (Corps). Ohio County officials say they are waiting on approval from the Corps before they can move forward with the WE project, as they want to fill in several streams in an area known as Storch's Run. Filling in Storch's Run will require 13.7 million cubic yards of earth and cover up those streams. County Administrator Greg Stewart in December told the OCDA he expected a response from the Corps concerning the permits by the middle of this month. That didn't happen. Scott Hans, acting chief of the Regulatory Branch at the Corps' Pittsburgh office, said it is too early to say when, or if, permits will be issued for the planned theme park site, also known as Phase V of The Highlands development. =AF Planning for a WE Stewart said county officials originally applied to the Corps for the WE Clean Water Act permits in September 2006. "I am just really surprised at the amount of time it takes to get them (the Corps) to do these things," he said. Stewart still hopes the Corps will issue the permit that will allow the OCDA to create a level pad of about 125 acres to locate WE. "We have been waiting long enough as it is, so I don't even want to venture a guess as to how long it may take to get this permit. I really hope this theme park becomes a reality because it would be a great added draw to our site," Stewart said, noting that in addition to the roller coasters and water slides of WE, Phase V also could be home to hotels and additional retail centers. Hans said the Corps is reviewing county officials' responses to the series of public comments made in September regarding the proposed earthmoving work for Phase V. "We plan to get back in touch with them (county officials) to discuss this within the next few weeks," Hans said. He added there is no time-frame for making a decision on the status of the application. "Every developer wants us to give their application priority, but we have anywhere from 50-75 individual permit areas like this to work on each year," he said. Stewart said he believes the environment of the Phase V area is low quality. "If we were asking them for permission to fill in somebody's favorite fishing spot or something of that nature, I could see why it would be a problem, but that is not the case," he said. But Hans said Storch's Run flows into Wheeling Creek, which flows into the Ohio River. "You have to consider the entire area that you may be impacting with this type of earthwork," he said. Stewart also said the county needs to complete work on Phase V before beginning work on Phase VIII, which is located in the space between the Cabela's Distribution Center, Kohl's, Wal-Mart and the theme park site. "Because of the way we have to move the dirt to fill in the valley, we have to do Phase V before Phase VIII," he said. Stewart said Phase VIII is a proposed recreation area that may include construction of a baseball stadium. Meanwhile, WE President Steve Minard said he has been working on projects in Nebraska and Texas while waiting for the Ohio County development to move forward. "What I have always tried to remind people of is that WE is a very large earthmoving project. I believe we are getting very near the end of this permit process and should be able to get to work fairly soon," he said. =AF $35,000 in fines each day It was during a routine visit to The Highlands on Oct. 4 that federal inspectors discovered the waterways known as streams 34 & 35 had been filled. Hans said workers under control of the county development authority performed the action without permits being issued. Streams 34 & 35 are located on Lot 13C at The Highlands. Lot 13C is located on the south side of I-70 =97 the side opposite Cabela's and the planned WE site. The allegedly unauthorized action carries a penalty of up to $35,000 a day in fines. Hans noted the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency would have the authority to impose the fines on the county as it sees fit, but EPA spokeswoman Donna Heron said any potential fines would not be levied until the ongoing investigation is complete. Stewart said he gave the order to begin filling in the streams in question. "We believed we had the authority to do this work because it had been so long since we had heard anything from the Corps," he said. The county applied for the permit for the 25 acres of Lot 13C in January 2007, Stewart said. "Now, here we are a year later. I just don't know why the Corps takes so long to do these things," he said. Stewart refers to the areas where the county performed fills as "alleged streams." "With the little bit of water there, I just don't see why this is such a big deal" to the Corps, he said. Though he is not sure if the EPA will assess fines against the county, Stewart said any fines will not be paid with money from the county's general fund. "The OCDA will pay any fines," he said. Despite the problems with permits and fines, Stewart said the county is still optimistic about the future of The Highlands. "We think we have a pretty good thing going right now, and as long as we can get these permits, the site will get even better," he said. ---------- Copyright =A9 2006 - The Herald-Star From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 17:22:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12435 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 01:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 01:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 01:22:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71156 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2008 01:22:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aBiCXU4VM1mVpE3U0Y1XkzpX9gB2cTiwAjjguL54GAd2PFtwlzPzHrgxDjoaesmJOpCyStu_5Tmu8yexyp.SQMZn.tyrCSZRFOzmOm4OXn1m66aWlnZRoIfj X-Received: from [72.70.245.48] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:22:24 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:22:24 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1201710955.3888.4961.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <466730.67619.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Coaster designer eschews loops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9y1tNJ26hYztXKCVjp7WxJgZhq9WK5G2ycjqpySfxIo0ofznbMsi X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > except for the last joke about the bumper cars, I could possibly take that seriously. < Well, that's the nature of the Onion (and actually the world) in general; it's getting difficult to tell what's intended as satire and what's real. I thought it was funny though that the "post-modern" designer felt that loops were a gimmick on steel rides and wanted to create more simple pleasures. Who does he think he is? Dana Morgan? Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 18:31:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9019 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 02:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 02:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 02:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 02:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 02:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 02:31:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:31:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <466730.67619.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Coaster designer eschews loops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=LpgJ6T8Fv8dPajvPxkbuk71CgeU7LrghmvzJPR_p3IthaNlWwtd7 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 =20 > Well, that's the nature of the Onion (and actually the world) in=20 general; it's getting difficult to tell what's intended as satire and=20 what's real. I thought it was funny though that the "post-modern"=20 designer felt that loops were a gimmick on steel rides and wanted to=20 create more simple pleasures. Who does he think he is? Dana Morgan? >=20 > Jay >=20 > Some time ago, a friend sent me a link to the ONION'S pseudo-news=20 article about a U.S. Visit by the Pope to a Six Flags amusement park.=20 It detailed his every action at the park, right down to reuniting a=20 lost child with his parents. As a Catholic, even I found it absolutely,=20 gut-bustingly funny..but just as funny was the reaction of several=20 people I sent it to, who thought it was legit. The ONION's people are=20 good at what they do. The "article" also included a mock photo of Pope=20 Benedict on a roller coaster, which I had custom-made into a t-shirt=20 with the legend, "Coaster Riding Is A Religious Experience." I'd be=20 hesitant to post it here, but if anyone would like to read/see it, I'll=20 be glad to send it to your own e-mail. It really was one of the=20 funniest coaster related things I've ever seen. I think I'll read it=20 after I finish this...=20 Mike > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 07:12:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73945 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 15:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 15:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 15:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:12:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:12:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:12:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:12:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Filing tells of horror at amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=D8sXOoVH0t8EKmsuce5ChgmIifFPPaySBNon4-ipsWubLlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 31, 2008 The Associated Press Yahoo! News By Brett Barrouquere LOUISVILLE, KY -- A teenager whose feet were severed last summer in an amusement park ride accident said in a court filing she remembers cables whipping against her body, a burning odor, and a fear that she might not survive. Kaitlyn Lasitter, then 13, said she felt like her whole body was hot and on fire. "I remember smoke and the smell of burning," she said. "I felt like I was going to die." She didn't realize at first that her feet were severed when a cable snapped on the Superman Tower of Power ride at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (6FKK). Kaitlyn described intense pain and a "rank, horrible smell." "I don't think at the time that I knew it was from my skin," she said. "It's like something you will smell once, and if you think about it, you'll remember it for the rest of your life." Kaitlyn and her mother, Monique Lasitter, gave accounts of what happened on June 21 in court documents filed Wednesday in a lawsuit against 6FKK. Kaitlyn and her parents claim 6FKK failed to maintain the equipment and to ensure riders' safety. In court filings, 6FKK has denied liability. Carolyn McLean, a spokeswoman for 6FKK, declined to comment on the statements because the lawsuit is ongoing. "The case is still being actively investigated," McLean said. The ride was immediately shut down, and has since been dismantled. Kaitlyn, now 14, said her recovery has been slow and painful. Doctors were able to reattach her right foot, but not her left. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 07:16:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69182 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 15:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 15:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 15:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:16:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:16:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park worker arrested X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nJ6LYBCVgZzem0PthngmsufQzakXbOyIxThP7oMMVMocDYc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 31, 2008 The Enquirer http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080131/NEWS01/80131= 0378 BY Janice Morse FAIRFIELD, OH -- A Deerfield Township man worked at an indoor amusement park for children without incident for 5 years, and seemed to be a good employee, his boss says. But on Monday, police showed up with a search warrant and allegations that the man was involved in pornography-related crimes with juvenile employees. "We weren't aware of the situation," said Alfred Sims, GM of Wonderpark Family Entertainment Center at Cincinnati Mills Mall. Shift supervisor Armando Rivera, 34, remained in the Butler County Jail after being arrested at his home on a charge of compelling prostitution, a police report says. Rivera "was encouraging and soliciting other employees as well as other known associates" to provide him with videos of themselves engaging in sexual activity, the report says. He also paid them for still photos of themselves, the report says. In addition to the requests for images, "boys would come to his house and he would perform oral sex on them and then pay them," the report says. Police did not say whether Rivera met any of those boys through his work at Wonderpark. Police say Rivera had intended to set up a pornographic Internet site, but his plan "began spinning out of control." Sims said Rivera has not been fired. Instead, he has been suspended pending the outcome of the case. He did not say whether the suspension was with or without pay. No bond has been set for Rivera, who appeared in Fairfield Municipal Court on Tuesday. No further court dates had been set as of late Wednesday. Wonderpark, which offers games and indoor rides for children, has been in business at the mall since 2001. Sims pledged to "continue to provide a clean, safe environment" for families. ------------ Copyright =A9 2007 The Enquirer From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 07:21:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42655 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 15:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 15:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 15:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:21:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:21:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:21:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park veteran is thinking big on MetroZoo's behalf X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qr_7CR14x1TnlBGw3I9CzfboJaSYhVgw_W5MMt90SdVDYUg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 31, 2008 Miami Today http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/080131/story-profile.shtml by Risa Polansky MIAMI, FL -- After opening a Six Flags amusement park in Mexico and transforming the Columbus Zoo into an entertainment complex, Manny Gonzalez says he's ready to take his marketing expertise and boost Miami MetroZoo attendance and funding as the new head of the Zoological Society of Florida. He was tapped in December to replace longtime President and CEO Glenn Ekey. The zoo's 600,000-visitor annual attendance falls "in the middle" of zoos nationally, Gonzalez said, with the country's top 10 zoos seeing more than 1 million in attendance a year. But he aims to set MetroZoo apart as "the best zoo in the world" by increasing attendance, developing water and theme parks, hotels and family centers, and by "having the most innovative educational programs, the most impactful conservation programs and the best animal collection." To support the zoo, he aims to raise $25 million within 5-7 years and $100 million within 10 years. ------------- =A9 Copyright 2008 Miami Today From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 07:27:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24488 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 15:27:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 15:27:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2c.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.233) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 15:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n2.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:27:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:27:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Family Kingdom Launches New Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=H_1JnuA00hSEmf2ZBMmFC7H8vmsp8bNrkT2yGo-iPNb91ZE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 30, 2008 PR Web http://prweb.com/releases/2008/1/prweb661083.htm MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- Family Kingdom Amusement Park (FK) has launched its new Web site at www.family-kingdom.com. More colorful and user-friendly, the site has been updated with current information for the 2008 season. Visitors can view the park calendar, group sales information and receive exclusive reward coupons for signing up at the site. Located on Ocean Blvd. in the heart of Myrtle Beach, FK is the Grand Strand's only seaside amusement park. It offers a complete amusement park experience with over 30 rides and attractions, in addition to midway games, family entertainment and traditional park temptations such as funnel cakes, cotton candy and corndogs. Opened in 1966, it is home to the legendary Swamp Fox wooden roller coaster and the largest Ferris wheel in the state of South Carolina. "Our new Web site makes it easy for vacationers and group leaders to experience what FK has to offer," said Leigh Meese, president of FK. "The site is fun and exciting visually, reflecting the spirit of the parks and, at the same time, presents useful information, including an updated park calendar and group sales information. Photography of each of the attractions shows just how much there is to do at the amusement park and really highlights the water park's unmatched oceanfront location." The FK Water Park, located just across Ocean Blvd. from the amusement park, features 3 serpentine water flumes each with a drop of greater than a 100', two speed slides and 2 intermediate slides, all with a stunning view of the Atlantic Ocean. A Lazy River measuring more than 400' meanders around splash pools and beside a waterfall. Splash pools feature 2 rain trees, a multi-tiered waterfall and 8 kiddie slides. More information about FK, is available online at www.family-kingdom.com or by calling 843-626-3447. ---------- =A9 Copyright 1997-2008, Vocus PRW Holdings, LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 07:45:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49421 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 15:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 15:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 15:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 15:45:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:45:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: More redevelopment planned in Gatlinburg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lZjUBSnZ2ALYwp_WAtZ1FWU5VqzPEyC1eY2ZUS3tkXptOHA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan 29, 2008 WATE-6 http://www.wate.com/global/story.asp?s=3D7792406 By Kristyn Hentschel GATLINBURG, TN -- The Fun Mountain Amusement Park has been shut down since 2001. But on Saturday, it will be on the auction block as part of a city plan for an upscale development. And other new developments are also on the horizon. Christus Gardens, which closed earlier in January, will soon be the site of a $60 million condo project. Plus, a new mall is almost complete on Highway 321. And in 6 weeks, Ripley's is slated to build an $800,000 maze attraction. City officials met on Tuesday for a meeting called Priority Gatlinburg. The goal of the meeting was to help them plan for and deal with change. "We want to celebrate the accomplishments and to look at what we have not accomplished and to set about a specific path to reach those accomplishments," says city manager Cindy Ogle. Some of the accomplishments already made aren't in plain sight yet. "We've started undergrounding power lines in phases. We've got 4 phases done so far," George Hawkins says. City officials say currently, Gatlinburg is all about redevelopment and preparing for anything that may come its way. The Fun Mountain auction starts at 10:30 a.m. Saturday at traffic light #3. -------- =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2008 WorldNow and WATE From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 16:46:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28289 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 00:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 00:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 00:46:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21480 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 00:46:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BF4L21UVM1nkafFInpuxLGTcOKkBLsnnSq4hhuTZ6cE7izpCJkrOUdaYDrSdqtYgU0AvmuTBYUHAFOmG7nw0xYZN6nBF36SQ64ToXtVr0cpn5UMh4g-- X-Received: from [72.79.237.242] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:46:11 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:46:11 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1201799747.2404.18662.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <123965.20626.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Coaster designer eschews loops X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=KpALdsC-dHxIv2nWs6udHMlR7LJXM-GuCDUvL1-KZBX8hbO1oUtH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Some time ago, a friend sent me a link to the ONION'S pseudo-news article about a U.S. Visit by the Pope to a Six Flags amusement park. < I just tracked down the article. Thanks, Mike! That was indeed a good laugh. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 16:48:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61686 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 00:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 00:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 00:48:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50032 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 00:48:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ud6h9E4VM1mwvpYGyyPmyl_sHP7LifewsuSM6cUDwtj86cvsSMSoGhfseVXQt2VRWRhjJuXNv9FSMbbrITnj3pTVIYM7mJx2_dXbKTsjzdyWiFEvsyIMVwf6f.E9TwQO8X3yV7QbA64LDFA3CoyAtDg6 X-Received: from [72.79.237.242] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:48:58 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:48:58 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <449657.49970.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: MS to buy out Yahoo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=2fqoAwcGASi-ZK3nY4iphAPDfvaz4ddMrTpufzhVNcT4dl4xL3NP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many of you have probably heard this by now. Microsoft is (supposedly) buying Yahoo. I just hope that this doesn't adversely affect our mailing list. I assume things will be pretty much left the way they are. But who knows? Maybe one day we'll only be able to access YahooGroups with Vista. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. 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--YCalReminder=W987KsDKnH2TiFCXdPXwUnYE61m3OJ1201935010-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 06:53:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 637 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 14:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 14:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 14:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 14:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 14:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 14:53:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:53:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <449657.49970.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: MS to buy out Yahoo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iZQWzArMFa5YKuZPMc7N8TIpvHSUUGoYzTtirH2fmAyJC9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 (As I go screaming into the night) Fortunately for now, it's just an offer. But who knows? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Many of you have probably heard this by now. Microsoft is (supposedly) buying Yahoo. I just hope that this doesn't adversely affect our mailing list. I assume things will be pretty much left the way they are. But who knows? Maybe one day we'll only be able to access YahooGroups with Vista. >=20 > Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 07:01:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33252 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 15:01:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 15:01:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 15:01:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 15:01:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 15:01:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 15:01:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:01:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Crack blamed for Disneyland mishap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TCEo2FcZhNRJhQL-gPnV7d3i0m60n6pj82itZfe5WM9Flsw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 31, 2008 The Japan Times http://search.japantimes.co.jp/rss/nn20080131b2.html URAYASU, CHIBA, JP -- A fatigue crack in a steel support column was to blame for an accident in early January in which a 300-kg plastic model of the planets fell from a parade float at Tokyo Disneyland, the theme park operator said Wednesday. No one was injured in the Jan. 8 accident. The park's operator, Oriental Land Co., said it was likely that a 30-mm-long, 1-cm-deep crack formed in the column last September but escaped detection in during an October inspection, allowing it to widen and cause the accident. Oriental Land blamed the oversight on unqualified inspectors from the company it commissioned to build the float. ------------- (C) 2008 The Japan Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 07:09:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98334 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 15:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 15:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 15:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 15:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 15:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 15:09:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:09:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland unveils the Dream Suite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GRRFs0hCkvDsRBO9feBoY8t94ZDEzzxHgdhhiGNfP63hpL0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 29, 2008 KABC-7 http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=3Dnews/local&id=3D5922263 By Lisa Hernandez ANAHEIM, CA -- A magical experience has just been unveiled at Disneyland (DL). Starting Friday, lucky guests will have a chance to spend the night at the new DL Dream Suite. From the smallest detail to the most overtop display the Disney Suite is a one of a kind experience. The 2,600 sq-ft suite is located right above the Pirates of the Caribbean. It has been transformed into 2 master bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, a parlor and a balcony overlooking New Orleans Square. There is one catch to be able to stay in the plush Disney suite, you have to show up at the park and hope you get picked. "It is random. Anyone can win at the DL resort. Anyone who comes through the gates would be picked by a member of the Dream Squad. They will then be brought up to spend a magical evening here," said Greg Ashton, Walt Disney Imagineering. The park apartment was originally built for Walt Disney himself back in the 1960s. When he passed away before completion the finishing touches were put on hold. The suite has been decorated just for Disney fans with decor tailored to what Walt Disney would of wanted for himself. "Some of the renderings were created under Walt's personal direction. We dug back into the archives and pulled out those renderings and used those as the basis for the design of the DL Dream Suite you see today. One of the cool things is that they will do a little DL after dark tour. So you can see behind backstage DL and some things that most people do not get to see," said Ashton. One winner a day is selected at the park through an independent sweepstakes. The lucky guest can bring in as many as 5 friends to spend the night. The winner of the DL Dream Suite will also be celebrated as the Honorary Grand Marshal in that day's DL parade. As guests settle in for a stay in the DL Dream Suite, they'll discover special effects surprises in each room. It could be a special tune in a striking clock, a sunset or a starscape that appears when the lights go down, subtle audio enhancements, or something totally unexpected. Disney is the parent company of ABC7. ------------ Copyright =A92008 KABC-TV/DT Copyright =A92008 ABC Inc. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Feb 02 09:54:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14920 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 17:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 17:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 17:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-225-18.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.225.18] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JLMZr-0002js-Me for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:54:56 -0500 Message-ID: <47A4ADD0.3040900@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:52:16 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1589f7192fe2e2931e408b5f10f254c3a54d3bffe1c63d5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Conneaut Lake ballroom burns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=qXr0_XnPwDbt3_dn7qcRQX1bKkvgO5mQFqdO1NCoG8MMVOk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash very sad news to report- the historic ballroom has apparently burned to the ground. http://www.sharonherald.com/local/local_story_032213624.html Historic ballroom burns at Conneaut Lake Park Flames spread along midway By Jean Shanley and Jane Smith Meadville Tribune/CNHI Small groups of people stood in stunned silence at Conneaut Lake Park late Friday morning, watching smoke and smoldering embers from a fire that just hours before had destroyed the historic Dreamland Ballroom. The 116-year-old amusement park’s ballroom and some nearby midway buildings fell victim to the blaze that had begun in the middle of the night. George Glancy, a 16-year-employee of the park who lives in a home inside its boundaries, said he heard about the fire on an emergency radio scanner and immediately went the short distance to help. He said while he smelled the smoke and saw a small fire, the scene seemed quiet – but “all of sudden she (the fire) just took off.” The fire was discovered about 2:15 a.m. by two emergency medical technicians on their way home to Conneautville. Park Manager George Deshner was home when he received a pre-dawn call Friday, with the caller indicating Hotel Conneaut was on fire. Deshner called Crawford County’s 911 center to verify the information and was advised it was true. But while driving to the park from his Meadville home, Deshner received another call saying it was Dreamland Ballroom, not the hotel, that was on fire. He said when he drove through Conneaut Lake, 3 miles south of the park, he could see the flames shooting 50 to 60 feet high. Nobody knows for certain what started the fire. It is under investigation by state police Fire Marshal Dana Beckwith. Although he did preliminary inspections Friday, Beckwith’s probe was hampered by smoke and by some “hot spots,” said Deshner. Beckwith is to return to the scene Monday morning for further investigation before making a ruling on the cause. “At this point, it’s undetermined,” said Deshner. The fire spread through Dreamland Ballroom, into a maintenance building, and down one side of the amusement park’s midway game area, stopping at the Skee Ball stand before it was brought under control, said Deshner. The midway is a row of connected, more-than-century-old, wood-frame structures that house many of the park’s games and food stands. Behind the midway facades are storage areas for rides, as well as repair shops where amusement-ride cars are repaired, stored and receive maintenance. The Skee Ball building was destroyed, but the games inside were saved. Deshner said the fire department planned to knock down the Skee Ball stand Friday, but that was delayed until the fire marshal’s investigation is complete. Also destroyed were restrooms, a former jail area, and storage places with equipment for such things as pizza, taffy, cotton candy, soft pretzels and the funnel cake operations. About 16 fire companies responded. Gig King, chief of the Summit Township Volunteer Fire Department, said he expects the blaze to keep burning for three to four days. There was no fire insurance on the building, said Jack Moyers, chairman of the board of trustees overseeing park operations. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 13:08:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9358 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 21:08:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 21:08:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 21:08:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10530 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 21:08:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lz1QyWsVM1nXgxt7ih8ODmi1HCIHQ7LJd.kc3XybVrx4QJhYMcw3UNysd2VpGp3WM8F0cVzJDu8fwchjNEKcT74LVkYWI3CXRtUKiDxilE3JaWw- X-Received: from [138.89.128.156] by web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:08:22 PST Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:08:22 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47A4ADD0.3040900@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <23235.9493.qm@web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Conneaut Lake ballroom burns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=j7_RIpbSXhf5k9y7gsRsoihYRQwvpdMWuPjhG-D9av4U5K5hnIqc X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit george burnash wrote: a former jail area, Is that where they held people who cut the lines for rides? Maybe SF and CF shoild look into adding this helpful amenity. Mike --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 08:55:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34269 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2008 16:55:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2008 16:55:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2008 16:55:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 16:55:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 16:55:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:55:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Hopes high for park's new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9OtrYnhZ9JfPPXc5HZsJTb25MwboEddfSLFp1a9TY-lSTkc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 02, 2008 Michigan Live http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2008/02/industry_has_high_hopes_for= _pa.html By Dave Alexander MUSKEGON, MI -- Michigan's Adventure Amusement Park (MA) is advancing its reputation as a quality roller coaster attraction with the construction of Thunderhawk (TH) -- Michigan's 1st "suspended loop" roller coaster. West Michigan's leading summer tourist attraction may never become what its parent company has developed at Cedar Point (CP) in Sandusky, OH, known as one of the finest roller coaster parks in the world. But MA will provide visitors with a new type of coaster for 2008 -- a year that will test the strength of the amusement park and the entire Muskegon Country (MC) tourist industry. "This is going to be like Shivering Timbers in terms of a new ride and experience for our guests," said MA's GM Camille Jourden-Mark. Shivering Timbers (ST) is the park's signature ride, a nearly mile-long out-and-back classic wooden roller coaster that celebrates its 10th year this summer. The summer of 2008 will reveal how strong and resilient the MA-led local tourism industry has become. MC and the amusement park have had a string of years better than the last ever since 2002, defying both regional and state downward trends. The national economy, Michigan's struggles with the domestic auto industry depression, increasing regional unemployment and high gas prices will challenge Muskegon's tourist attractions. However, park officials and county tourism promoters say early signs point to another strong summer season. And MA will again be the critical player. TH represents the largest investment MA has every made in a single ride -- more than $10 million. Construction of the ride is under way after the structure was moved from a Cedar Fair LP park in Cleveland, OH, refurbished and set up for reconstruction in Muskegon. "I don't think people in this community fully understand the economic engine that MA is for the region and especially MC," said MC Convention & Visitors Bureau head Sam Wendling of a company that only employs 35 full-time staffers but will have 1,300 employees throughout the course of this summer. The 2,260'-long TH, in which 2, 20-seat cars hang from a tubular track and invert riders 5 times during the 2-minute experience, is slated to be open for the May 14 start of the 2008 MA season. "This is absolutely being marketed as a new ride," Jourden-Mark said of the coaster that was first constructed in 1998 and is the 2-seat version of the CP's 4-seat "Raptor." "A coaster is a different ride when it is in a different location." TH has captured the attention of coaster fans nationwide. The American Coaster Enthusiasts will begin their spring conference at MA May 14. At least 150 ACE members from Texas, Florida and Canada, among other areas of North America, will ride MA's coasters during that evening. Besides TH, ST is celebrating 10 years while the Wolverine Wildcat -- another wooden coaster -- has its 20th anniversary. The park's 1st coaster, Corkscrew, is 29 y.o. "Getting the ACE members here keeps the rankings high for our coasters," Jourden-Mark said. ST has remained in the national top 5 of wooden roller coasters worldwide since opening in 1998. TH was disassembled last fall in Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom near Cleveland; that park becomes exclusively a water park this year. Designer and manufacturer Vekoma International B.V. of The Netherlands is overseeing the refurbishing of the cars and tubular track. Construction began in early November after the Michigan Dept. of Environmental Quality allowed the park to fill in a small portion of "Adventure Lake," the drainage basin in the middle of the park. TH is going up on the northeast corner of the lake between the Grand Rapids water ride and Wolverine Wildcat. The steel tubular tracks will be anchored by 337 cement-filled pilings that were sunk 40-50' into the ground, according to Steve Mark, VP of construction and maintenance at MA. There are 152 "piling caps" that are used to secure the various parts of TH. Tridonn Construction Co. in Muskegon, Hardman Construction in Ludington and Accurate Excavators of Muskegon did the initial ground work. Edena Construction Corp. of Ohio has started to erect the ride parts and will continue through early April. Each steel part is being sandblasted and repainted, while a new electrical system and starting station is constructed on site. Other local subcontractors include Ottawa Electric, Erickson Electric Service Inc. and Quality Contractors and Painting. MA maintenance staff are refurbishing all of the cars, including new seats and restraint harnesses, Mark said. Testing of the ride will begin in April with hopes of it being ready for a "media day" unveiling May 14 before the ACE event. Jourden-Mark said the park anticipates joining forces with a local charity for a "first ride" auction fundraising promotion. The ride also should be available for students at the annual Physics Day for area high school students. The Rock the Coast Christian music festival is slated for that first weekend, May 15-16. MA begins its season with 7-day-a-week operations Friday, May 23. Armed Forces Day is Memorial Day May 26 and Scouting Days are June 7-8 to launch the summer season. The general admission cost for all rides, including the water park, is $25 -- which is up from $24 that had been charged the past 2 years. MA is offering a new 2-day ticket for $44 that can be used on any 2 days throughout the season. "The 2-day ticket is by customer demand," Jourden-Mark said. "If people are from out of town, they want 2 days in the park with a overnight in a local hotel." MA is already driving business to MC for the summer season, according to MC Tourism Marketing Manager Jill Foreman. She said local motels are reporting strong pre-season bookings based on MA ticket packages. "The word from the motels is that they have never had so many advanced bookings," Foreman said. "Some high demand dates were already gone even before February." MA continues to expand its regional draw on the travel market. Southeast Michigan and northern Indiana are 2 of the fastest growing markets for the Muskegon park, Jourden-Mark said. And continuing to have new attractions like TH not only draws new customers but keeps repeat customers coming back, she said. Muskegon tourism promoters hope that Cedar Fair continues investing in MA with hopes of a campground, motel and indoor water park in the future. "As long as we continue to get a return on investment, we will continue to invest," Jourden-Mark said. ------------- =A92008 Michigan Live LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 09:16:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16092 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2008 17:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2008 17:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2008 17:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 17:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 17:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 17:15:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:15:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 3rd-party bodies to check roller coaster, lift safety X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=r74sYB0DyZjtDZZNXGS-M9SF2PP2xiwGixJVqo-UWsHqSCw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 30, 2008 The Associated Press The Yomiuri Shimbun http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20080130TDY03106.htm JAPAN -- The installation of elevators in high-rise buildings and roller coasters at amusement parks will in future require safety approval from the Construction and Transport minister based on performance evaluations carried out by 3rd-party organizations, according to sources. A spate of serious accidents at amusement parks and high-rise buildings last year led the ministry to realize the need for new safety standards in addition to the current construction certificates required under the Buildings Standards Law. The ministry plans to revise the enforcement ordinance of the Buildings Standards Law, possibly this year, after examining the details of the current safety criteria. The new measures likely will target high-speed elevators used in skyscrapers 60 meters or taller, and "scream machine" roller coasters. After the planned revision of the law, it will then become necessary to obtain ministerial approval when installing new equipment or carrying out renovations. According to the Buildings Standards Law, it is obligatory to equip elevators and roller coasters with safety equipment. Such equipment includes emergency brakes and safety programs that will override normal operations when danger is detected. However, there is no provision stating in detail what the equipment should be or its specifications. Under the current system, local government officials check the safety of such equipment whenever it is installed or renovated. "However, practically speaking, the checking by officials is little more than a matter of routine," Construction and Transport Ministry official said. For this reason, the ministry will appoint a 3rd-party organization consisting of mechanical engineering and electrical engineering experts to evaluate performance. ------------ =A9 The Yomiuri Shimbun From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 09:22:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97773 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2008 17:22:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2008 17:22:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2008 17:22:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 17:22:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 17:22:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 17:22:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:22:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Fourth coaster for Thorpe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IUn1DBm3fq0iXrI3a-cBKHINK4hkhR09_mHXYyGfvcwDazg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 31st January 2008 InterGame http://www.intergameonline.com/interpark/news/780/fourth-coaster-for-thorpe= / By Simon Fowles CHERTSEY, SURREY, UK -- Thorpe Park (TP), UK, has been granted full planning consent for its 4th high-thrill roller coaster, with construction set to commence in May. The key element of the ride will be a 'beyond vertical' 97-degree drop from a height of 100', before running through a number of thrill elements specifically developed for the Chertsey-based park. With 4 loops, the new attraction will take TP up to number 3 in the world for total number of inversions, following on from Stealth, Nemesis Inferno and the 10-looping Colossus rides. "Building on the successful launch of the park's iconic ride Stealth in 2006, the new roller coaster will add an element of edge to an already adrenalin packed breadth of thrills on offer," said Peter Ronchetti, GM. "We are determined to establish TP as the UK's most thrilling attraction and adding this development to our current portfolio will certainly do that." Located in the Canada Creek section, the ride will feature 4 inversions along its 2,362' of track. Up to 8 cars, each for 8 passengers, will feature on the 100-second ride. ----------- =A9 2008 InterGame Ltd. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 12:33:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74561 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2008 20:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2008 20:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2008 20:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 20:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 20:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2008 20:33:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:33:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47A4ADD0.3040900@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.237.242 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Conneaut Lake ballroom burns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UnCvvCQmaAuP8YWuxT84e14VLsF8stzJzboO7B_7Wwz8QGEO_1JO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This is very sad. It's hard to believe that with all those old buildings and an idle park, that they didn't have fire insurance.=20 Perhaps that was a result of their cost-cutting measures. And who knows -- perhaps they will recover. After all, the midway and hotel are still intact. But it's just one more blow to the place. Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 18:30:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21968 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 02:30:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:30:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: C. Thomas Harvie joins CF Board of Directors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PX-95sIAs39JSWSuK8DYetCwC4bTWLB2eWpLO-EOR_6q4f4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 24, 2008 Cedar Fair http://www.cedarfair.com/ir/press_releases/index.cfm?current_root=3D15&mode= =3Dstory&story_id=3D150 SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Fair (CF), a leader in regional amusement parks, water parks and active entertainment, today announced that C. Thomas Harvie has been appointed as a Class I Director of its general partner, with a term ending 2010. Harvie replaces Thomas A. Tracy who retired from the board effective December 31, 2007. Harvie has been appointed to serve as a member of the board's Compensation Committee and the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committee. Dick Kinzel, chairman, president and CEO, stated, "I'd like to thank Tom Tracy for his years of dedicated service to our organization. At the same time, I'm excited to be working with Tom Harvie who I believe will provide valuable guidance and counsel for CF in this challenging business environment." Harvie is senior VP, general counsel and secretary of The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company, having joined Goodyear in 1995. Prior to joining The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company he was VP and associate general counsel at TRW Inc., where he had served since 1976.=20 "We look forward to gaining the benefits of his years of experience and are very fortunate to have him as a member of our board of directors," continued Kinzel. CF is a publicly traded partnership headquartered in Sandusky, OH, and one of the largest regional amusement-resort operators in the world. The company owns & operates 11 amusement parks, 6 outdoor water parks, 1 indoor water park and 5 hotels. Amusement parks in the company's northern region include 2 in Ohio: Cedar Point, consistently voted "Best Amusement Park in the World" in Amusement Today polls; and Kings Island; as well as Canada's Wonderland, near Toronto; Dorney Park, PA; Valleyfair, MN; and Michigan's Adventure, MI. In the southern region are Kings Dominion, VA; Carowinds, NC; and Worlds of Fun, MO. Western parks in California include: Knott's Berry Farm; Great America; and Gilroy Gardens, which is managed under contract. Also included in that region is Star Trek: The Experience, a Las Vegas-based interactive adventure. ------------- Copyright 2008 Cedar Fair LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 18:34:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9611 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 02:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 02:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 02:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 02:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 02:34:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:34:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: CF Declares 4th-Quarter Cash Distribution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tDicgarwOxm5i5fXDonwnYpSr2sOSwBcosYB1BXRxw-F5Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 January 22, 2008 Cedar Fair http://www.cedarfair.com/ir/press_releases/index.cfm SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Fair Entertainment Company (CF), a leader in regional amusement parks, water parks and active entertainment, today announced the declaration of a regular quarterly cash distribution of 47.5 cents per limited-partner unit, continuing the company's annualized distribution rate of $1.90 per unit. The distribution, which is payable February 15, 2008, to holders of record February 5, 2008, represents the company's 83rd consecutive quarterly cash distribution. The company plans to issue a news release announcing its 2007 4th quarter and full year earnings results before market hours on Thursday, February 7, 2008. The company will host a conference call with analysts that afternoon at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Time, which will be web cast live in "listen only" mode via the CF web site (www.cedarfair.com). It will also be available for replay starting at approximately 5:00 p.m. ET, Thursday, February 7, 2008, until 11:59 p.m. ET, Thursday, February 21, 2008. In order to access the replay of the earnings call, please dial 1-800-406-7325 followed by the access code 3831139. CF is a publicly traded partnership headquartered in Sandusky, OH, and one of the largest regional amusement-resort operators in the world. The company owns & operates 11 amusement parks, 6 outdoor water parks, 1 indoor water park and 5 hotels. Amusement parks in the company's northern region include two in Ohio: Cedar Point, consistently voted "Best Amusement Park in the World" in Amusement Today polls; and Kings Island; as well as Canada's Wonderland, near Toronto; Dorney Park, PA; Valleyfair, MN; and Michigan's Adventure, MI. In the southern region are Kings Dominion, VA; Carowinds, NC; and Worlds of Fun, MO. Western parks in California include: Knott's Berry Farm; Great America; and Gilroy Gardens, which is managed under contract. Also included in that region is Star Trek: The Experience, a Las Vegas-based interactive adventure. --------- Copyright 2008 Cedar Fair LLC. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 20:06:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70511 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 04:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 04:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 04:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 04:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 04:06:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:06:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Conneaut Lake ballroom burns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=2uAYLHjGLBIgwPSLXUynpPYEVcQxymzvfSNXdKIXVJRna9bIFg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Across the history of amusement parks, fires were often what led to the=20 final demise. This does not bode well. I'm sure the lack of fire=20 insurance was a result of being so deep in debt.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > This is very sad. It's hard to believe that with all those old > buildings and an idle park, that they didn't have fire insurance.=20 > Perhaps that was a result of their cost-cutting measures. And who > knows -- perhaps they will recover. After all, the midway and hotel > are still intact. But it's just one more blow to the place. >=20 > Jay > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 20:10:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80554 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 04:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 04:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 04:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 04:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 04:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 04:10:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:10:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: PR: CF Declares 4th-Quarter Cash Distribution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=b8wZNERTVqDMJziUGLp-z7qMiykU1KzATKyddTpVqPmnX4KkOw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > January 22, 2008 > Cedar Fair > http://www.cedarfair.com/ir/press_releases/index.cfm >=20 >=20 > SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Fair Entertainment Company (CF), a leader in > regional amusement parks, water parks and active entertainment,=20 today > announced the declaration of a regular quarterly cash distribution=20 of > 47.5 cents per limited-partner unit, continuing the company's > annualized distribution rate of $1.90 per unit. I'm finally reaching a point where dividend reinvestment is getting=20 close to by a new full share.=20 LOL.=20 I overheard that a certain competitor for CF may be filing for=20 bankruptcy protection at the end of this season. I can't say who, but=20 I think you can figure it out.=20 Chris From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Feb 03 20:39:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22695 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 04:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 04:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-26.bluehost.com) (69.89.17.191) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 04:39:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32223 invoked by uid 0); 4 Feb 2008 04:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 04:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JLt7X-0008DJ-T4 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:39:52 -0700 Message-Id: <4E6BBC68-F550-48A7-AD97-D2FC80F00FE2@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 23:39:50 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 69.89.17.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: CF Declares 4th-Quarter Cash Distribution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=nmCYv9uwL8Cqvthnyj47uMo2Btc5KCg2OXvrxoAevT97CdJl_mBW X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Fair Entertainment Company (CF), a leader in >> regional amusement parks, water parks and active entertainment, > today >> announced the declaration of a regular quarterly cash distribution > of >> 47.5 cents per limited-partner unit, continuing the company's >> annualized distribution rate of $1.90 per unit. > > I'm finally reaching a point where dividend reinvestment is getting > close to by a new full share. > > LOL. > > I overheard that a certain competitor for CF may be filing for > bankruptcy protection at the end of this season. I can't say who, but > I think you can figure it out. Airlines file for bankruptcy all the time, I wonder what will happen if the unnamed company does that... I don't know too much about businesses. On a side note, CP is adding a new kids area this year, or something like that. If the trend of copying continues, I wonder how long CF will go before they file as well. I'm guessing gas prices this year aren't going to help either company. On another side note, last week I flew down to Orlando, and the plane was full to capacity -- about half the plane was full of kids in mouse ears (shouldn't they be wearing those on the trip back?), and the other half was their parents. It made me wonder how many of those parents would be taking their kids to SF and other parks, if it wasn't for them spending a large chunk of money by following the increasingly prevalent idea that going to WDW is a right of passage for kids. Wouldn't it be ironic if the parks half responsible for revitalizing parks also helped contribute to their 'not-doing-so-great' era. Mike ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 09:27:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35748 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 17:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 17:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.135) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 17:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 17:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 17:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 17:27:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:27:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme parks in Cebu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9ND0pL0G5XeWFvKsZbNtFZBHFkVmjZGoLFhCcHQpK2W5zDE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 04, 2008 Sun-Star http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/02/04/bus/theme.parks.in.cebu.htm= l CEBU, PHILIPPINES -- Cebu can maximize its potential as a leisure destination in Asia if it has more entertainment facilities, such as theme parks, a tourism official said. Department of Tourism (DOT) 7 Director Patria Aurora Roa said the presence of family-oriented theme parks, like Hong Kong Disneyland, would entice the market for leisure-seeking tourists. "Hong Kong has Disneyland, Singapore has Sea World. These countries have their own good theme parks. In Cebu, we don't have one," Roa said in an interview. "A theme park can attract the whole family to come, whether from the Philippines or abroad" she added. Roa said that while the idea of a theme park is feasible, the availability of land for such investment remains to be a huge concern. She said the 290-hectare South Road Properties (SRP) would be a good site but investors would have to determine first the viability of establishing an entertainment center there, "similar to Disneyland or Sea World." "It should be a world-class theme park with a Filipino touch," she said. She added that this type of theme park should be "unique" yet at par with international standards. It should be more than carnival type development with only ferris wheels and carousels as amenities. Roa admitted, though, that having a world class theme park in Cebu "would not be happening soon" as such facility would involve a large investment from a private developer. It is the role of the local government units and the Cebu Investments and Promotions Center to invite potential investors for this project and provide certain incentives, she said. Roa echoed the statement made earlier by Shangri-la's Mactan Island Resort and Spa general manager Timothy Wright that there is a need for Cebu to develop more attractions, aside from the traditional tourism itineraries like cultural and heritage tours. Although Cebu - as a resort destination - is primarily known for white beaches, furniture products, rich cultural heritage and festivities, it has nothing more to offer to visiting tourists, Wright had said. Roa said the province "with its inviting tropical environment" could be a potential destination for a "smaller" Disneyland-type of theme park. Enchanted Kingdom Inc. earlier expressed interest to expand in Cebu and invest in a facility that will cater to the Visayas and Mindanao markets. However, Enchanted Kingdom Inc. president and chairman Mario Mamon said while the company considers Cebu as an attractive area for a theme park, it has to defer the plan as the project would not be "an easy investment." "But we will continue to study the market and see what happens," he said earlier. ------------ =A9 Copyright 2007 Sun.Star Publishing, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 09:38:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5795 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 17:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 17:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 17:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 17:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 17:38:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:38:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Splash Planet Success X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SfuIyzmk-yKhSPVygRhrKVmC4j71gDbNXAJXnV0_LOF6blQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 4 February 2008 Press Release: Splash Planet Scoop Independent News http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK0802/S00043.htm HASTINGS, NZ -- Long sunny days, a `locals' card offering half-price admission and a better understanding of all Splash Planet (SP) has to offer have meant the water theme park has experienced its best season yet. Tens of thousands of guests have visited SP since the season started on Monday 19 November. On its best day, Thursday 3 January, 2,700 visitors came through the gates. SP's Manager Vicki Munro said the atmosphere in the Park had been buzzing all season. "We have had a particularly good season. A big pull has been the locals' club card. The amount of positive feedback we've received from visitors is testament to how well the team has worked together this summer," said Munro. SP employed 64 seasonal staff. Vicki Munro also said awareness around SP's offering had grown. "We consistently get comments from guests who say they are truly amazed with the facility. There's a lot on offer here besides the pools and slides." The summer season concludes on Waitangi Day Wednesday 6 February but SP will be open every weekend until Easter and then throughout the Easter break (21-24 March). Operations Manager, Peran Hutchings, said it made financial sense to keep SP open during the weekends. "Most of our customers are kids and when they go back to school it isn't economically viable for us to be open during the week. It works well to close during the week, cut down our costs and push our resources into making the rest of the summer weekends really fantastic," said Hutchings. The weekday closure was trialled last season and proved to be successful with large numbers enjoying the last of the summer sunshine during the weekend. 69,081 customers visited the park during the season (up to 31 Jan 08), compared with 49,557 customers last year. 2948 Club cards were purchased to date, already up by 1778 on the previous season. 36,238 children came into the park along with 30,956 adults. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Feb 04 13:41:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57477 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 21:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 21:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 21:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 21:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2008 21:41:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:41:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E6BBC68-F550-48A7-AD97-D2FC80F00FE2@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: PR: CF Declares 4th-Quarter Cash Distribution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=kfOdJxysK6uhf65PFLCq0rYtxHll69TBYrQr7Dyb9e3oXpmhAbnL-u__oQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone=20 wrote: > On another side note, last week I flew down to Orlando, and the=20 plane=20=20 > was full to capacity -- about half the plane was full of kids in=20 mouse=20=20 > ears (shouldn't they be wearing those on the trip back?), and the=20=20 > other half was their parents. my sister-in-law just had the same experience this past weekend. and=20 she lives in a town with a puddle-jumper airport, so for the 3rd rate=20 airline she took to be full for orlando is quite a feat.=20 > It made me wonder how many of those=20=20 > parents would be taking their kids to SF and other parks, if it=20 wasn't=20=20 > for them spending a large chunk of money by following the=20 increasingly=20=20 > prevalent idea that going to WDW is a right of passage for kids.=20=20=20 > Wouldn't it be ironic if the parks half responsible for=20 revitalizing=20=20 > parks also helped contribute to their 'not-doing-so-great' era. but keep in mind, orlando isnt just WDW and its subsidiary parks. its=20 a lot cheaper and easier to go to one city and visit a bunch of parks=20 all nearby (Universal, Seaworld, etc) than drive from one town to=20 another that has only one park in it. if you have limited time and=20 funds, its better for a family to get in maximium enjoyment and=20 minimal travel time (and gas prices), which orlando provides. besides, id say most tourists this time of year are from europe. the=20 euro will get you a lot of US dollar value, so they might as well=20 milk it and vacation here.=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Feb 04 13:46:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98488 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 21:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2008 21:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 21:46:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17811 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 21:46:35 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Feb 2008 21:46:35 -0000 Message-ID: <47A787B3.4020403@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:46:27 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: CF Declares 4th-Quarter Cash Distribution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=TPs7ZWqaFD28QqwhHwzkUi6jNPn0VpjtWuTygyc-ofWLsoaL X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > another that has only one park in it. if you have limited time and > funds, its better for a family to get in maximium enjoyment and > minimal travel time (and gas prices), which orlando provides. I don't think anyone with limited funds can get anywhere near Disney (and let's be honest - Disney doesn't want them). I do agree with your comment for the most part, except for the "limited funds" bit. My upcoming weekend in LA will likely cost me more than the 5 day road trip I'm taking (with 2 more people) in June! I do like Disney, but the amount of money they suck out of people is pretty out of whack with what you get. Cameron. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 16:28:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99388 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 00:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 00:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 00:28:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54339 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2008 00:28:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bAVoYZoVM1klDub8ujYJhxnMxI4ltKI6wgBKkb7PH4PxyBq0WFkWNFKUPcOBTnvaj47mCNi7PadW_ME2WK6IbroV2VlMKVRYXQJhJUmoxeQ4Wbtfxdk- X-Received: from [72.79.237.242] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:28:07 PST Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:28:07 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1202160309.2269.36307.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <408517.53218.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: UPDATE: Hopes high for park's new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=sQ5Zmb1vhk2TJeGGj4JU-jsbzqBEZ0fPvppHxO40yjTrahzrC31W X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "A coaster is a different ride when it is in a different location." < Unless of course it's a Vekoma SLC... :-P >"This is absolutely being marketed as a new ride," Jourden-Mark said of the coaster that was first constructed in 1998 and is the 2-seat version of the CP's 4-seat "Raptor." < How else are they going to market it? "Used piece of junk?" I think they're laying on the hyperbole a little thick with the Raptor comparison, though. > Besides TH, ST is celebrating 10 years while the Wolverine Wildcat < Now *that's* a coaster worth talking about, probably the best design Curtis Summers ever came up with. Oh yeah, and ST is pretty good too. :-) > Construction began in early November after the Michigan Dept. of Environmental Quality allowed the park to fill in a small portion of "Adventure Lake," the drainage basin in the middle of the park. < LOL! I never knew they called that giant rectangular pool "Adventure Lake." I was always curious why they never utilized it more, had paddle boats there or something. > Jourden-Mark said the park anticipates joining forces with a local charity for a "first ride" auction fundraising promotion. < Preferable a charity that works on cures for serious head injuries.... Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Feb 05 05:52:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45564 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 13:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 13:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 13:52:33 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id t39so171882ugd.6 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:52:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.67.115.17 with SMTP id s17mr1279437ugm.56.1202219552975; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:52:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.67.102.5 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 05:52:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0802050552i10d17813vfe6c65a6da8a348a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:52:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <408517.53218.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1202160309.2269.36307.m45@yahoogroups.com> <408517.53218.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: UPDATE: Hopes high for park's new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=4DcynfEM5hm8rjZHuN8oIA66odNm_HHfncsg6bgV4U9I-YY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska > > > Construction began in early November after the Michigan Dept. of > Environmental Quality allowed the park to fill in a small portion of > "Adventure Lake," the drainage basin in the middle of the park. < > > LOL! I never knew they called that giant rectangular pool "Adventure Lake." > I was always curious why they never utilized it more, had paddle boats there > or something. > > Jay > Doesn't that lake have a problem with salmonella or something equally as bad? I thought I remember that from the news a few years ago. When I visited that park the lake in the middle looked absolutely disgusting. -Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 06:37:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21593 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 14:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 14:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 14:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 14:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 14:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 14:37:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:37:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Local amusement park ready for large applicant pool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TOSOtsB2rB1bMIcj9BtKfr0ZjDq5vviBR1GSKVI37ZjonSc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 4, 2008 WFIE News-14 http://www.14wfie.com/global/story.asp?s=3D7819363 By Louis La Plante SANTA CLAUSE, IN -- Officials from Holiday World & Splashin' Safari, an amusement park in nearby Santa Claus, Ind., expect a record number of job applications in February when they lead 4 job fairs to fill 1,700 seasonal positions. Held at Holiday World in Spencer County, park employers are looking for various positions including lifeguards, ride operators, sweepers, and merchants. Department representatives will conduct interviews at the fairs. The Job Fairs will be held Sat., Feb. 16 from 10 a.m.-1 p.m.; Sun., Feb. 17 from 10 a.m.-noon; Tues., Feb. 19 from 1-5 p.m.; and Sat., Feb. 23 from 9 a.m.-noon. Auditions for the amusement park's musical will be held on Feb. 15 at Towne Square Mall in Owensboro, Ky., from 5-9 p.m. Applications are available online at www.holidayworld.com/jobs. Holiday World opens on May 3, and Splashin' Safari, the water park, opens May 10. ---------- =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2008 WorldNow and WFIE From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 06:50:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45852 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 14:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 14:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 14:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 14:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 14:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 14:50:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:50:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Fire Marshall - No evidence of arson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=fMRzjrgJ2hFLC4W_UUqAH2cwzz45YaSH8bRmIfPSADbY6Fo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 05, 2008 The Meadville Tribune http://www.meadvilletribune.com/local/local_story_035205752.html By Jane Smith CONNEAUT LAKE, PA -=97 Even though "arson" is the word most often heard on the street, Friday's fire at Conneaut Lake Park (CLP) was so large, so hot and so destructive that even a point of origin for the blaze is impossible to detect. So, after a detailed investigation =97 and conceding that indeed it might have been the work of an arsonist =97 officials had to settle for "undetermined" as the cause on Monday morning. A Pennsylvania State Police fire marshal, along with Peter Albaugh, assistant chief of Summit Township Volunteer Fire Department who also serves as a local fire marshal, sifted through the ashes and debris of Dreamland Ballroom, attempting to determine what caused the catastrophic fire that claimed the historic building and a number of midway stands at the 116-y.o. amusement park. "The ruling is undetermined (cause)," said the state police fire marshal. "I can't rule out accidental and I can't rule out arson, but I can't rule it (in) either," he said. "It's a big structure and the fire was well advanced before it was discovered." Albaugh said although many people have told him "we think this is arson," he said no evidence was found to make that ruling. He asks anyone with information or evidence suggesting arson as the cause to provide it; "we will share it with the state and pursue it." The fire was discovered about 2 a.m. Friday by 2 members of Conneaut Lake Area Ambulance Service, who were on their way home from a medical call in Conneautville, said Albaugh. Albaugh, whose Summit company was first on the scene, said the "smoke was so thick on (Route) 618, it was like fog. The wind was coming from the southeast and blowing all the smoke right up Reed Avenue. (The ambulance crew) came into the park to determine what was producing all the smoke and saw the flames. They could not see them from the (main) road." "When the first engine arrived, the smoke was so thick they (firefighters) could barely see the end of the road," said Albaugh describing the conditions the morning of the fire. As soon as firefighters got around the north side of the building, the smoke "was all cleared up" (on that side)." Pointing to the remains of the building, he explained that the wind was the main reason one side of the buildings suffered more damage than the other. Noting the large open space inside the ballroom, Albaugh said gases and smoke collected in the rafters for some time. Firefighters were using thermal imaging equipment inside the building when temperatures reached "1,500-plus degrees," and "less than minutes later the building started to collapse," said Albaugh. The result of all this is that investigators "don't have a point of origin (of the fire)," he said, noting they have "to rely on eyewitnesses." "It's pretty upsetting," Albaugh said of the fire. "We have been watching it (the building) for a number of years," he said of its potential to burn, noting that 15 years ago there was a fire in a small restaurant behind the ballroom. "The building was so old," he said. It was built in 1909 and a lot of wiring and plumbing was added over the years to complicate the structure even further. Investigators said there was a single electrical wire running from a garage, which supplied electricity for a telephone system in the maintenance building under Dreamland Ballroom. "It was only a 110 (volt line)," said Albaugh of that line's low power. The fire marshal said there were no indications of problems with that, after inspecting the electric meter in the garage area where the line originated. In the meantime, a yellow "fire scene" tape still surrounds the structure as a warning for spectators not to cross. However, the fire marshal released the structure to CLP officials on Monday, noting that part of his investigation is complete and he doesn't need to preserve the scene any more. George Deshner, manager of the park, said the board of Trustees of CLP now will decide the next step. The board was to meet Monday afternoon. He said many of the regular volunteers were at the park over the weekend, offering their help to clean up, but Deshner & Jerry Smith, a furloughed CLP maintenance employee, agreed that the removal work is going to require more expertise than volunteers have. CLP employees volunteered Monday afternoon to help remove some of the dangling pieces of the burned roof and verandah as a safety precaution, said Deshner. In the meantime, the next step for the board is coming up with money to remove the remainder of the debris. Deshner said early estimates are that process could run as high as $100,000. One reason for that is the need for heavy construction equipment to dismantle the steel. Deshner said the board will have to decide what =97 if anything =97 is able to be salvaged and sold. Also lost in the fire were personal tools of at least 3 furloughed maintenance employees, Smith, Don Schanz and David Hoogstad. Smith estimated his loss at between $6,000-$7,000 and said he expects Hoogstad's would be about the same. "Don's would probably be double that," said Smith, noting Schanz's collection was much larger than the others. George Glancy, another CLP maintenance employee, said he didn't lose any tools, as he took his home when he was furloughed. Smith said Schanz believes his losses will be covered by his homeowner's insurance and said his and others may be as well. The trustees had no fire insurance on any of the buildings. ------------- =A9 2005, The Meadville Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 07:11:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31574 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 15:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 15:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 15:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:11:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:11:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: 6F & Tyson Foods Announce 2008 Sponsorship Alliance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=12TRaeq-M3Tokr8xzND-H4gPZWSsq0DpgVKuBQS3l7xrW44 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 17, 2008 Six Flags, Inc. PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 01-17-2008/0004738478&EDATE=3D NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. (6F) has reached a supply and sponsorship agreement with Tyson Foods, Inc., the 2 companies announced today. Under the agreement, Tyson will become a 6F Corporate Alliance partner and Tyson chicken will become the Official Chicken of 6F. In addition, the 2 companies will collaborate on a number of marketing and advertising initiatives. The agreement makes Tyson the exclusive chicken supplier for all U.S. 6F parks and includes exclusive product placement on menu boards wherever Tyson products are sold, in-park signage, billboards and additional high- impact messaging via the 6F Media Networks. "Moms trust Tyson products and they trust 6F," said Lou Koskovolis, 6F Executive VP of Corporate Alliances. "Millions of families come to our parks every summer expecting industry leading attractions and friendly guest service; now when they dine in our restaurants, they'll immediately identify the Tyson brand for its own superior qualities. We're delighted that Tyson recognizes the 6F platform as a unique opportunity to connect with their key consumers." "We want to be where families live, work and play," said Randy Smith, Tyson Senior VP of Food Service. "6F entertains millions of visitors every year and now those visitors can experience the same Tyson chicken they cook at home for their families at a 6F theme park. We're delighted to be partnering with a brand that resonates so strongly with Moms and kids." ------------ Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 07:15:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86098 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 15:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 15:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 15:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:15:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:15:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Fixes Record Date for PIERS Dividend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EGztPDuz3z-iYRLHhVHdQYN8M3KYpxBCwwheB4coWB8mx-Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 18, 2008 Six Flags, Inc. PR Newswire-FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 01-18-2008/0004739243&EDATE=3D NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. (6F) announced today it has fixed February 1, 2008 as the record date for payment of a dividend for the quarter ending February 15, 2008 to the holders of its Preferred Income Equity Redeemable Shares ("PIERS"), each such PIERS representing 1 one-hundredth of a share of the Company's 71/4 % Convertible Preferred Stock. Payment of the dividend, which will be paid 100 % in cash, will be made on February 15, 2008. The dividend will aggregate $.453125 per PIERS. About 6F: 6F is the world's largest regional theme park company with 21 parks across the U.S., Mexico and Canada. Since 1961, 6F has provided world-class thrilling entertainment for millions of families. 6F is a publicly-traded corporation (NYSE: SIX) headquartered in New York City. The information contained in this news release, other than historical information, consists of forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Exchange Act. These statements may involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in such statements. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors, including general economic conditions, consumer spending levels, adverse weather conditions, terrorist activities and other factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the Company's expectations. -------------- Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 07:19:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61233 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 15:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 15:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 15:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:19:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:18:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags, Inc. Clarifies News Story X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Zwozd4lCnvvOl_7gwcastrdUfNnBz-hY6wOniPfq0IkJdrU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jan. 25, 2008 Six Flags, Inc. PR Newswire-FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 01-25-2008/0004743204&EDATE=3D NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. issued a statement today to clarify that recent news reports of a foreclosure related to land underlying the site of the Six Flags Mall in Arlington, TX is completely unrelated to Six Flags Inc. and its affiliates. Six Flags believes that the Mall acquired common law rights to use the name based on an oral arrangement dating back many years ago. ----------- Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 07:27:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98109 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:27:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Six Flags Announces New In-Park Network X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8JcHo9TZ4XWebUNdJWPh97I3H3AbLx21YuygECxON5aRAL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 4, 2008 Six Flags, Inc. PR Newswire-FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 02-04-2008/0004748670&EDATE=3D NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. (6F) announced today the launch of its new comprehensive media solution, 6F Media Networks. Within this new platform, 6F will house all of its media touch points that go far and beyond that of traditional advertising. 6F Media Networks partner with local, regional and national advertising capabilities and includes: 6F Television, 6F Radio, 6F Print, 6F Outdoor, 6F Outdoor Spectacular, 6F Attraction Integration, 6F Experiential Marketing and 6F Online. 6F Television: Launching in March 2008, 6F Television will be the preeminent interactive outdoor television networks. As guests wait in queue lines, they will be presented with interactive entertainment and relevant content. Displayed on 45" plasma TVs, 6F Television allows guests to enjoy seamlessly integrated entertainment and promotions and will contain Bluetooth technology for instant downloads and exclusive music videos, text-n-win capabilities and ring tones. 6F Radio: 6F Radio is broadcasted throughout all 21 6F parks and will broadcast demographically and thematically-targeted content, commercials and announcements. 6F Print: Home to the Park Map & Guides and daily schedules, 6F Print will distribute over 9-million pieces between April and October. This entity is one of the most heavily distributed publications during this time period. 6F Outdoor: 6F Outdoor is the newest in outdoor advertising. This arm of 6F Media Networks will include rotational signage, Cool Media Interactive Signage with Bluetooth capabilities. These signs are dispersed throughout each of our parks and will have the capability to illuminate and mist to cool you off on those hot days. 6F Outdoor Spectacular: 6F Outdoor Spectacular allows advertisers to display marquee advertising throughout our parks. This includes parking, maingate, ride and venue entranceway signage as well as in-park promotional displays that give advertisers in-park real estate to display their products. 6F Attraction Integration: This arm of 6F Media Networks allows advertisers to display signage on roller coasters, queue lines and water rides. Partners are able to take advantage of our unique park attractions and integrate them into their key advertising strategies. 6F Experiential Marketing: This component provides advertisers the opportunity to engage in 1-on-1 interaction with guests. Examples of this form of marketing throughout its parks include the Wii Experience, a hand-on interactive gaming station for guest to enjoy their favorite Wii video games. 6F Online: SixFlags.com reaches more than 34 million unique users on an annual basis. As part of the 6F Media Networks, advertisers will now have access to exclusive online promotional offerings, sweepstakes, banner media and streaming video commercials. "6F Media Networks now opens the door for 6F-Inc. to provide our guests with an even bigger and better experience when they walk through our park gates," said Lou Koskovolis, Executive VP, Corporate Alliance and Sponsorship, "This interactive network also provides a stellar platform for advertisers to reach a captive audience and promote relevant products and gives us the opportunity to communicate, educate and entertain our guests." ---------- Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 14:22:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99360 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 22:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 22:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 22:22:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55447 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2008 22:22:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uaIvsWkVM1m6j_leqrKHmILxvZ_V0K04a.bq1TBLFmP2eFGdyDQeJh4fiskvhXU6vAti88_VUKXlYpuwwbmyOI1QBHoj.CKtWdY3f8pNsZJ9Ge7Ggph3wgt2KF6TAA-- X-Received: from [72.70.253.194] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:22:49 PST Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:22:49 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <33958.52574.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=mbP3GCf7_qTflvufIHl3BFhzYzFz_06RCQgLEeThOj89qNkkYOfH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit State Showcase Funpark has a map! A real live brand new map! Sure it looks like it was drawn by a two-year-old, but it's a MAP! Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 22:23:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13682 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 06:23:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 06:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.103) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 06:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:23:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:23:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: PR: 6F & Tyson Foods Announce 2008 Sponsorship Alliance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=5E2DO5-tASY8EzbFZv_1TmokGG_tFZ9C8hb3Ea-TZnD9sSV86g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Jan. 17, 2008 > Six Flags, Inc. > PR Newswire > http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl? ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/01-17-2008/0004738478&EDATE=3D >=20 >=20 > NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. (6F) has reached a supply and > sponsorship agreement with Tyson Foods, Inc., the 2 companies > announced today. Maybe there will finally be some decent chicken in the cafeteria.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 22:29:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30512 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 06:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 06:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 06:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:29:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:29:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: PR: Six Flags Announces New In-Park Network X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=eL3zPNjwpKjZX3PXPAy9ZfdeEHQAqanA-4Ic9V15wKpKNOV0mA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Feb. 4, 2008 > Six Flags, Inc. > PR Newswire-FirstCall > http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl? ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/02-04-2008/0004748670&EDATE=3D >=20 >=20 > NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. (6F) announced today the launch of=20 its > new comprehensive media solution, 6F Media Networks. Within this new > platform, 6F will house all of its media touch points that go far=20 and > beyond that of traditional advertising. 6F Media Networks partner=20 with > local, regional and national advertising capabilities and includes:=20 6F > Television, 6F Radio, 6F Print, 6F Outdoor, 6F Outdoor Spectacular,=20 6F > Attraction Integration, 6F Experiential Marketing and 6F Online. >=20 Most of this stuff was supposed to happen last year. Don't know why=20 it got delayed.=20 Anyone heard that the company has supposedly restructured, making=20 each individual park a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC)?=20 Chris From lance@screamscape.com Wed Feb 06 05:50:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43410 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 13:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 13:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta18.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 13:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F01F40D8A for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 05:20:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47a751b8.b7aba for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 05:20:51 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHqbQzpui+GQIAAAAB,fef2192d78f67d8bdc55eda6e300e7a1 Message-ID: <166D5C8D67E04659882ABC0E37418FEB@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:21:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Six Flags Announces New In-Park Network X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=OzRls5opFByaQbbkI09bujNW7B3lQzFyylBF6ZjHZd5Lbi4_B7jwHvjHfA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Six Flags Announces New In-Park Network Anyone heard that the company has supposedly restructured, making each individual park a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC)? ___ I don't think they just did this, often park in chains are usually run as their own sub companies anyway, they just recieve their big capital and budgets from the head-office. However there was something in the news that pretty much reflected that from now on Six Flags wanted each park to be responsible for carrying their own weight, meeting their budgets, making cuts when needed if business was soft in their area. Before this I guess Six Flags had been handling the parks like baseball teams. If Kentucky Kingdom is losing money and the rest of the parks are coming out positive, the profits from the rest would have to go to bailing Kentucky Kingdom out. As I understand it, this wont happen anymore. Sink or Swim time. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 08:40:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69289 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 16:40:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:40:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33958.52574.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9YifGhyEyjOkElxAiGtpBsSdl-GJ8FjdWNNjLdR1Nkl98bY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jay, I need more info. What is the "State Showcase Funpark"? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > State Showcase Funpark has a map! A real live brand new map! Sure it looks like it was drawn by a two-year-old, but it's a MAP! >=20 > >=20 > Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 08:59:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17412 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 16:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 16:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 16:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 16:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 16:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 16:59:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:59:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Disney Invites Families to Celebrate the 'Year of the Mouse' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PNl2XuKLeLnLlkIxzeFf-NEDUWOc2WL_m0x2VTFh6m_a17w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 6, 2008 PRNewswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 02-06-2008/0004750639&EDATE=3D ANAHEIM, CA -- It's a celebration that has Mickey Mouse's name written all over it ... well, half of his name, anyway. The most famous Mouse of all is inviting families to celebrate the Lunar New Year and Year of the Mouse at Disneyland (DL) Resort, the place "Where Dreams Come True." From February 5 to February 29 at DL Park, Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse will mark the Year of the Mouse by appearing in festive Asian attire to greet guests and pose for photos near Town Square on Main Street, U.S.A. Families can also celebrate with Mickey Mouse in Chinatown, Los Angeles, as Mickey serves as the Grand Marshal of the 109th Annual Golden Dragon Parade and Festival February 9. A limited number of magnetic photo frames and traditional red envelopes including 2fer ticket offer information will be given to festival-goers. The "2fer" tickets, valid through April 24, 2008, will make it easier than ever for Southern Californians to visit DL Resort and enjoy its exciting shows and attractions during the Year of the Mouse. This "2 parks for the price of 1" opportunity enables residents of Southern California (ZIP codes 90000-93599) and Northern Baja California (ZIP codes 21000-22999) to purchase up to 8 "2fer" tickets. For the price of a regular 1-day park ticket, "2fer" tickets provide admission to the 2 theme parks, DL and Disney's California Adventure (DCA), on 2 different days. "2fer" tickets are on sale at DL Resort Hotels, Vons Pavilions stores and Disneyland.com/SC2fer. Proof of residency is required for admission. Admission is valid for 1 day at DL Park and another day at DCA, but not for both parks on the same day. Tickets are valid 30 days from first use. First use must occur between 1/07/08 and 4/24/08. Each day of use constitutes 1 full day of use. Guests may purchase up to 8 tickets per person per day with valid ID. Tickets may not be sold or transferred for commercial use. This offer is subject to restrictions or change without notice. The Resort features 2 theme parks -- DL (the original Disney theme park) and DCA -- plus the Downtown Disney District comprised of unique dining, entertainment and shopping experiences. The Resort's 3 guest-welcoming hotels are the luxurious 745-room Disney's Grand Californian Hotel & Spa, the magical 988-room DL Hotel and the "day-at-the-beach" fun of the 489-room Disney's Paradise Pier Hotel. For more information about DL Resort, guests may visit http://www.disneyland.com, call (866) 60-DISNEY or visit local travel agents. ------------- Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 07:26:43 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=29869;u=;t=1202398016;m=1895995703;s=625122733; From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 07:38:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94296 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 15:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 15:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 15:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:38:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:38:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Magnetix iCoaster - Magnetic Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8FzVGfdhVzteqHeByoRbHBvVg-2pQpfnpi29vRbZ4-rd2x0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 4th, 2008 Product Reviews http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/02/04/magnetix-icoaster-magnetic-roller= -coaster/ by Kerry MONTREAL, QUEBEC, CA -- The Magnetix iCoaster takes construction toys to the next level by using the power of magnetism. It allows you to construct a magnetic roller coaster complete with drops, loops and jumps. You can construct the iCoaster in up to 10 different ways. Because it uses magnetism, the iCoaster is also capable of some jaw-dropping stunts. The iCoaster also comes with a Sound FX and Music Studio, which kids can use to put a soundtrack to their coaster. With this set you can also plug an MP3 player into the music studio and choose the perfect song for the coaster. So if you or your kids love building things then this is a must have that will be loved by all the family. ------------ =A9 2004 - 2008 Dansway Communications LTD From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 07:45:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60941 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 15:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 15:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 15:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:45:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:45:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Magic Mountain unveils Thomas Town plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rU3qSh80DH6ywFeq0tdVnPPSC7zUVHf_RC1yP9Yugjlmjr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 5, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1292 By Brady MacDonald VALENCIA, CA -- Site plans for the Thomas Town kiddie land at Six Flags Magic Mountain (6FMM) show a corkscrew-path train track, children's roller coaster and water play area. Train riders queue through Knapford Station and take a journey aboard the anthropomorphic Thomas the Tank Engine and passenger cars Annie and Clarabelle. The train circles Tidmouth Shed, which houses several of Thomas' engine friends. Riders exit via a retail store featuring souvenirs from the British children's television series. Thomas Town site plansThe Valencia, CA, amusement park will re-theme the Goliath Jr. mini-roller coaster as Percy the Small Engine to better fit into the new land, scheduled to open summer 2008. A Cranky the Crane water play area will feature a pop-jet fountain and an overhead sprinkler. Officials unveiled the Thomas Town plans during a recent Theme Park Review tour of the park. 6FMM put on hold previously announced plans for Harold the Helicopter and Bertie the Bus rides in Thomas Town, in part because the park's existing Bugs Bunny World kiddie land already has a Yosemite Sam's Flight School plane ride and a Daffy's Adventure Tours bus ride. The locations of the shelved rides will be reserved for future Thomas Town expansion. -------------- Copyright 2007 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 07:53:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6692 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 15:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 15:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2c.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.233) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 15:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n2.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 15:53:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:53:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Get Taken for a Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=B6eUX1cC4e2V7s6T5jcM4duRjrNdqvwgKqzqzZ3JGsRHtKM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 06 February 2008 Bathurst News http://bathurst.yourguide.com.au/news/local/general/get-taken-for-a-ride/11= 77288.html By Brian Wood BATHURST, NEW SOUTH WALES, AU -- Parents, breathe a sigh of relief. The fun of the fair in sideshow alley at this year's Bathurst Royal Show from February 29-March 2 will be more affordable than ever. For the first time amusements at the annual community event will be provided by an organisation other than the Showmen's Guild of Australasia. And in another first, the show will feature 2 rollercoasters, with the first now be erected at the showground. All this follows the decision by the local show society to put out to tender the right to provide attractions on the showground. It resulted in 3 organisations putting in bids to run the fairground with the nod going to the Newcastle-based OFA Showstar. Bathurst AH and P Association executive secretary John Ovenstone said yesterday the fact there are now more amusement providers other than the traditional Showmen's Guild gave them the chance to test the market. "We went with the Newcastle company which has a long tradition in the industry," he said. "Their package allows patrons to purchase a session ticket which allows unlimited rides during that time frame. "There's the 10am-5pm or 4pm-11pm option on Friday & Saturday or the 10am-5pm Sunday session. Pre-purchase a session ticket before the show for $35 or $40 at the show. "It makes the show more affordable than ever before. It's great value and means people get a lot more fun for their buck. We expect it to result in a huge turnout in sideshow alley this year." Ovenstone said the terms of the deal means OFA Showstar has to provide as many rides as in the past. "Bathurst will still see the latest and greatest amusements at its show," he said. "The features will be 2 different roller coasters. "They will set the benchmark and will be set up in an area we're calling Adrenalzone behind the main grandstand. You won't be able to miss them. "In fact the Splash Canyon coaster has already arrived in town so it can be set up and ready in time as well as providing plenty of hype in the lead up to the show." Ovenstone said another plus to emerge from the deal is the fact there will be no showmen accommodated on the showground. "It will free up a lot of space. It means we've been able to move about 60 caravans out of the venue," he said. "While it's been a big decision to make these changes by going away from our previous provider, we think it will be a winner. "No matter what happens, we will be going out to tender again next year to ensure we can get the best deal for local show goers." According to Britt Osborne from OFA Showstar, the Splash Canyon roller coaster arrived on 6 semi-trailers while the Wild Mouse roller coaster would be leaving Adelaide for Bathurst later in the week on 4 semis. "We do about 20 shows in NSW and Queensland and every one has asked us to come back," she said. "Bathurst is a huge coup for us. Coming here will enhance our reputation a great deal." ------------ Copyright =A9 2008. Fairfax Digital From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 08:13:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47872 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 16:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 16:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 16:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 16:12:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 16:12:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 16:12:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:12:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Florida State Fair runs Feb. 7-18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gt4bouHlTFgYKDCtvZvMBTXYtYD-uJHpOiJPrYCHtAXGe5g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 6, 2008 Tampa Bay Newspapers http://www.tbnweekly.com/editorial/local_entertainment/festivals/content_ar= ticles/020608_lefest-01.txt By Suzette Porter TAMPA, FL -=96 Bright lights, big tents, midway rides, animals, music, food and more highlight the 2008 Florida State Fair, Feb. 7-18, at the Fairgrounds in Tampa. Fair gate admission is $10 for adults, $5 for children ages 6-11; and free for children 5 and younger. No re-entry is permitted without an admission ticket. Gates open daily at 9 a.m. and parking is free. The Florida State Fairgrounds is located just 7 miles east of downtown Tampa, with easy access via I-75, I-4, US-301, Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd, and Orient Rd. For more information, call toll-free 800-345-FAIR or 813-621-7821, visit www.floridastatefair.com or myspace.com/floridastatefair. Highlights This year, organizers are bringing a piece of Vegas to the Sunshine State, complete with impersonators, showgirls and choreographed musical numbers. The Sweetbay Entertainment Hall will be transformed into a Las Vegas showroom, featuring GLITZ!, presented by Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, from Feb. 7-13. The family-friendly musical was custom-produced by Four Star Entertainment Inc (4SE). Each show is 45 minutes and will be fast-paced with upbeat singing and dancing. "Many of the impersonators in this show have performed at some of the biggest casinos in the country and in some of the biggest shows including the world-renowned Legends in Concert," said Bill Haggett, owner and CEO of 4SE. "I have been producing shows like this for over 20 years and these guys are some of the most talented I have ever worked with." The revue is included in the price of a Fair admission ticket. Show times are: - Thursday., Feb. 7, at 1 p.m. & 3 p.m. - Friday, Feb. 8 and Saturday, Feb. 9, at 3, 5 & 7 p.m. - Sunday, Feb. 10-Wednesday, Feb. 13, at 1, 3, & 5 p.m. Music Fairgoers will have plenty of musical entertainment from which to choose. 12 bands playing everything from the blues to reggae to classic rock will be playing at the outdoor domes =96 all part of the price of fair admission. The schedule is as follows. Friday, Feb. 8 Git R Dunz will be playing southern rock, pop, and blues in the Bud Light Latin Dome from 5-9p.m. For more information, visit www.thegitrdunz.com. Amberly Drive will be performing in the Budweiser Great American Lager Dome from 7-11p.m. For more information, visit www.myspace.com/amberlydrive. Saturday, Feb. 9 The Bud Light Latin Dome premiers the day's musical talent with the ear-catching sounds of Orlando's Dueling Pianos. The pianists will play 4 show times between noon and 4p.m. For more information, visit www.theduelingpianos.com. Burn also performs at the Bud Light Latin Dome from 6-10p.m. For more information, visit www.burnband.com. Traveling North concludes Saturday's music with a performance from 7-11p.m. in the Budweiser Great American Lager Dome. For more information, visit thetriplethreat.com. Sunday, Feb. 10 The Dueling Pianos will play between 1 & 5p.m. in Bud Light Latin Dome. Made of Hemp takes the stage at the Budweiser Great American Lager Dome from 3 to 7p.m. For more information, visit www.kulchashok.com. Friday, Feb. 15 The band, 60s Groove, will be playing some of the biggest hits in music history from 5-9p.m. in the Bud Light Latin Dome. For more information, visit www.60sgroove.com. Offshore Riot plays from 7-11p.m. in the Budweiser Great American Lager Dome. For more information on this band, visit www.offshoreriot.com. Saturday, Feb. 16 The Sauce Boss starts off the day in the Bud Light Latin Dome with 2 musical performances catered around cooking gumbo live on stage. This Tallahassee bluesman started a non-profit organization called PLANET GUMBO (planetgumbo.org) and donates a portion of profits (along with free gumbo) to Homeless Shelters all over the U.S. Jimmy Buffett even wrote a song about the talented musician in "I Will Play for Gumbo." or more information, visit www.sauceboss.com. Cope performs in the Bud Light Latin Dome from 6-10p.m. For more information, visit www.copemusic.net. Dos Locos plays from 6-10p.m. in the Budweiser Great American Lager Dome. For more information, visit www.doslocosband.com. Sunday, Feb. 17 The Sauce Boss will be serving a sampling of gumbo one last time in the Bud Light Latin Dome. Kool Vibes plays from 3-7p.m. in the Budweiser Great American Lager Dome. Band members are from the beautiful island of St. Lucia and have been performing together since 1999 and play a variety of steel drums music from smooth reggae to lively soca. Dancing to Be a Star The first-ever Swing and Salsa Dance Showdown, Dancing to be a Star, is just one of the highlights of festivities for the Florida State Fair's inaugural year of the new La Plaza Hispanic Village area. The "Swing" preliminary rounds are scheduled on Thursday, Feb. 7 at 8p.m. and the "Salsa" preliminary rounds are Sunday, Feb. 10, at 6p.m. Both events take place in the Bud Light Latin Dome at La Plaza Hispanic Village. Couples will compete in front of an audience with judges selecting the top contestants each night to come back on Sunday, Feb. 17 for the finals. A live audience will choose the winning couple of the Swing and Salsa Dance Showdown on Sunday, Feb. 17, at 5p.m. inside the Special Events Center building. For more information on the dance competition, call Luis Lopez at 813-417-4046 or the Al Frederick to 813-758-9149. Circus Hollywood For the 2nd year, Bradenton-based Circus Hollywood hailed as "America's most dazzling circus where dreams are made" returns to the fair with a world-class team of acrobats, daredevils, circus performers, aerialists and clowns guaranteed to entertain and thrill audiences of all ages. Circus Hollywood will perform 3 shows Monday-Thursday at 1:30, 3:30, & 5:30p.m. On Friday through Sunday; Circus Hollywood will have 4 shows at 1:30, 3:30, 5:30, & 7:30p.m. Look for the giant Circus Hollywood tent near gate 3 in between the Livestock Area and the Charles M. Davis Special Events Center. Roller coaster naming 5 roller coasters will provide plenty of thrills for fairgoers this year. 2 of the 5 are new, and one has not yet been named. The "You Name It" roller coaster will be the largest, portable non-looping roller coaster ever to debut at a state fair. Wade Shows Inc. purchased it from Morey's Pier, N.J. where it was previously located as a permanent ride. The ride will be located in the northeast corner of the Fair's Midway across from the Ford Amphitheatre. Ride enthusiasts are encouraged to enjoy the ride and then drop off their name entry at one of 6 guest relations booths located across the Fairgrounds. Visitors can enter as many names as they like but only one winning name-entry will be picked. Contest rules and regulations can be found online, posted at the Fair's guest relations booths and at the "You Name It" roller coaster. The contest begins on Thursday, Feb. 7, at 9a.m. and ends on Wednesday, Feb 13, at closing time. The winning entry selected will be contacted by Saturday, Feb. 16, to claim their prize. The winning contestant will receive a $500 cash prize and the ride's new name will be displayed on Sun., Feb. 17 at the roller coaster. History and tradition The 1st state fair was in 1904. It has always been in Tampa and always in February. As many fairs back in the day, agricultural exhibits were the highlight. Today's fair still features agricultural exhibits. Plus it gives a glimpse of what life was like in the past. A wide variety of early craft and trade demonstrators at Cracker Country provide authentic glimpses of Florida in the 1890s. This year, visitors will find several new craft and trade demonstrations plus a new attraction, the Hands-On Farm, where they can try their hand at how things were done more than 100 years ago. Enjoy bluegrass music by the Sweeney Family Band, the Pleasant Family Old Time String Band and Southern Star Bluegrass on both weekends. Check out some of the newest demonstrations including split rail fencing and log cabin building, beekeeping, swamp cabbage cooking, saddle making and more. Other attractions include demonstrations of flour making at an old-fashioned gristmill; sugar cane extraction; sewing on an antique treadle sewing machine; spinning and weaving; woodcarving; making baskets from pine needles; chair caning, decoy carving and more. Cracker Country opens daily at 9a.m. and closes at 6p.m. on Monday-Thursday, and closes at 7p.m. on Friday-Sunday. For more information, please contact Rip Stalvey, museum director, at 813-627-4225 or visit /www.crackercountry.org/. Agricultural events and livestock shows A variety of agricultural events and livestock-related activities are scheduled in and around the Charlie Lykes Arena, the Ag Hall of Fame building and the Ag Venture building. Ag Hall of Fame is open from 9a.m.-9p.m. and gives visitors a glimpse of the lives and achievements of former Ag Hall of Fame inductees with special video presentations about their contributions to Florida agriculture. Ag Venture is open from 9a.m.-6p.m. Activities include making butter, making a seed necklace, play the "Beefo" bingo game, taste oranges and learn about hydroponics. Cooking Demonstrations featuring Florida commodities are scheduled daily at 10a.m., Noon, and 2p.m. in the Ag Hall of Fame building. Various chefs will highlight a different commodity each day =96 including Florida citrus, strawberries, honey, poultry and beef =96 with cooking demonstrations and recipes. Hay Bale Decorating Contest takes place daily from 9a.m.-9p.m. Youth from 4-H and FFA transform simple bales of hay into inspired creations in this State Fair competition. Insect Safari (Daily 9a.m.-9p.m.) =96 Visitors will learn about the metamorphosis of insects with interesting names like Ant Lion and Zebra Swallowtail at the Insect Safari open daily from 9a.m.-9p.m. at the Ag Hall of Fame building located on the south side of the fairgrounds. Other activities include cow milking, photo design contest, purebred dog exhibition, Salute to Ag Tent, livestock judging and more. --------------- Copyright =A9 Tampa Bay Newspapers From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 10:46:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26267 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 18:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 18:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 18:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 18:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 18:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 18:46:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:46:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Florida State Fair runs Feb. 7-18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=v38-wHrwn1rvUV3Kj3_ozpwuJVw-98w5XSElxY5OSNNODtG9ewRWKso0zA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > The "You Name It" roller coaster will be the largest, portable > non-looping roller coaster ever to debut at a state fair. Wade Shows > Inc. purchased it from Morey's Pier, N.J. where it was previously > located as a permanent ride. hmm, well a 158 foot tall coaster put together by carnies. i can think=20 of a few names for it, none of which i think are appropriate to publish=20 here. :) that being said, i know i will HAVE to ride it when i see it. how could=20 i not? life is short...and if i ride it, mine will probably be=20 shortened considerably.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Thu Feb 07 12:41:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17567 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 20:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 20:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 20:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBF4428A5 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:41:54 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47a751b8.19c9c2 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:41:53 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHq20ReXL89AIAAAAB,41e1627590c90e777868192d49678aa9 Message-ID: <92D2AC8C9360498C841810849562A1E3@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:41:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Florida State Fair runs Feb. 7-18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=fv5KB8b7_mV8R0VuW18eAwdMMPyZavcygo9e6EZPwezuOsMUVSCbjeMiiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm guessing that this is the former RC-48, a Pinfari non-looping steel coaster. http://www.rcdb.com/ig689.htm Of course Pinfari's can often be found on the road and this doesn't really look any bigger than the various Pinfari Looping Stars I've seen at other fairs. One used to come on a regular basis to the Del Mar Fair (now San Diego Fair) for years... ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Nelson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Florida State Fair runs Feb. 7-18 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > The "You Name It" roller coaster will be the largest, portable > non-looping roller coaster ever to debut at a state fair. Wade Shows > Inc. purchased it from Morey's Pier, N.J. where it was previously > located as a permanent ride. hmm, well a 158 foot tall coaster put together by carnies. i can think of a few names for it, none of which i think are appropriate to publish here. :) that being said, i know i will HAVE to ride it when i see it. how could i not? life is short...and if i ride it, mine will probably be shortened considerably. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 15:51:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47960 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 23:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 23:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 23:51:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35492 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2008 23:51:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LWZEOmwVM1lvaX6fknmp0H8TSomAJqiFMU4r0IVHIcMDBWGl5Q5z44zp2LWqmMCE7ceL0moVJZsl5tbhJwIzOqgcB2BRO4StNSMMnkeajTcLRxbCfpf3jszsb_AA5w-- X-Received: from [72.70.255.124] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:51:12 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:51:12 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1202326383.2143.49466.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <401677.34308.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=XSO8V_fo9GLsV6HoxYWhiSXA-t18z5HXWy3nNLimjA7a3fg3jeWT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I need more info. What is the "State Showcase Funpark"? < Here's a sampling of the joy that awaits you: "Members Camp Childcare will have a series of learning modules that will makes learning fun for the child."Members one of those learning modules comprise of using exercise movements to music to teach the children what each letter in the alphabet will look like. The children having them either standing up, lying down, or on the knees with the addition of arm movement by the children like the desired letter. Members next with the learning in this manner then have the children imitate those movements to a chalk board. Music selection for this learning module is Y.M.C.A. by the Village People. "Members another learning module will be a five step process to say the alphabet whiles doing exercises at the same time. One exercise will be the stretching of neck and shoulders.Another exercise will be the stretching of their arms in a circular, up, then down motion.Next exercise is a punching routine by going slow at first then proceed to go faster.Fourth exercise with this combination of moves kick, skip on toe jab on each leg. Final exercise is an instep march on each leg. Members the music of choice in this exercise module is the theme of Rocky. Members children can learn more while at the same time being more healthy doing exercises than sit at ones desk." Ah, there is so much more to explore at State Showcase Funpark. Check out the Forum: Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. 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--YCalReminder=OjkEEesZpjmVNYKw834smKLpZxHj7OI1202453410-1-- From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Feb 08 07:18:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86961 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 15:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 15:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 15:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-225-18.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.225.18] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JNUzz-0001Un-1T for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <47AC722A.3070709@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:15:54 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784fa47ccf6d9520e42a140b14647b8d8668d6052272dc3810350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Florida State Fair runs Feb. 7-18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=PfHkv-pexANbxPDQRTTuhG9y7SHU0zHoxQfCaa0B9F4EEPA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: located as a permanent ride. > > hmm, well a 158 foot tall coaster put together by carnies. i can think > of a few names for it, none of which i think are appropriate to publish > here. :) > I've said it before, and I'll say it again- the vast majority of carnival rides are safer than what's at a permanent amusement park. You don't see the permanent rides getting anywhere near the inspections, safety checks, and careful examinations that a traveling ride does (they're inspected piece by piece when they come down, again when they're put back up again, and have to pass another safety inspection at each location by a state inspector (in many states, including FL) before being allowed to operate. Sure there are a couple of losers out there that give the industry a bad name, but in the vast majority of cases you're perfectly safe on those rides. > that being said, i know i will HAVE to ride it when i see it. how could > i not? life is short...and if i ride it, mine will probably be > shortened considerably. So now I just have to find the money and time to get over there. Wish I had known earlier as today probably would have been the day. Might have to go on the mess that'll be President's day instead. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 08:35:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2259 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 16:35:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:35:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <401677.34308.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UmcvBheTxwQxxaVIWQ5Jnsp_VPkkCoK_Ky0yWcWXibYfy-s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jay, I feel like I'm seriously missing something. What I'm trying to say is, "What/Where is it?". I've followed the link, but I can't make heads or tails of what it is, or what it's trying to be, or... I'm confused. -Alan (Sorry if I'm just being dense) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > I need more info. What is the "State Showcase Funpark"? < >=20 > Here's a sampling of the joy that awaits you: >=20 > "Members Camp Childcare will have a series of learning modules that will makes learning fun for the child."Members one of those learning modules comprise of using exercise movements to music to teach the children what each letter in the alphabet will look like. The children having them either standing up, lying down, or on the knees with the addition of arm movement by the children like the desired letter. Members next with the learning in this manner then have the children imitate those movements to a chalk board. Music selection for this learning module is Y.M.C.A. by the Village People. > "Members another learning module will be a five step process to say the alphabet whiles doing exercises at the same time. One exercise will be the stretching of neck and shoulders.Another exercise will be the stretching of their arms in a circular, up, then down motion.Next exercise is a punching routine by going slow at first then proceed to go faster.Fourth exercise with this combination of moves kick, skip on toe jab on each leg. Final exercise is an instep march on each leg. Members the music of choice in this exercise module is the theme of Rocky. Members children can learn more while at the same time being more healthy doing exercises than sit at ones desk." > Ah, there is so much more to explore at State Showcase Funpark.=20 Check out the Forum: >=20 > >=20 > Jay From pkflea2002@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 08:54:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pkflea2002@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7754 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 16:54:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 16:54:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.167) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 16:54:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36602 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 16:54:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ewFbKRsVM1k70p6vSe0fm2UwCHgSnGV5BFhGKWqpp6SVAniCpbEeDs0lNBCiGPbVcJx61qMyaL97a9oRRBWfSRKXUZ.HSFiKfRdg90lqfGiN7whNRSI- X-Received: from [65.97.171.34] by web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:54:47 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:54:47 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1202453417.10.82735.m52@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <465949.36438.qm@web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.178.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: felicia walker Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163688239; y=ch_ZDefVHqxWoS2bWb9Q7pb7JKMnHIMSVIw-OtNuYu-z3Wr3CQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pkflea2002 I was apart of the opening team for Disney's California Adventure and the Disney Grand Californian Hotel. It was such a blast. We had the Beach Boy's and John Stamos and a slew of other celebs there to join in the celebration. I had the pleasure of riding California Screamin before it opened to the public such great memories. --- RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal > > Disney's California Adventure opened > Friday February 8, 2008 > All Day > (This event repeats every year.) > Location: Anaheim, CA > > Notes: > On this date in 2001 Disney's California Adventure > park opened. > > > All Rights Reserved > Copyright © 2008 > Yahoo! Inc. > http://www.yahoo.com > > Privacy Policy: > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us > > Terms of Service: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Feb 08 09:39:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15903 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 17:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 17:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 17:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-225-18.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.225.18] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JNXCa-0006OQ-La for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:39:53 -0500 Message-ID: <47AC9341.8070900@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:37:05 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784fa47ccf6d9520e401cdb900ca746f4ace6d9ac564529b0f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=m8v0cSRUvBLzlGS0QV2ApCAGXqq9i8A8PNfEa7lftex-R-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > > > Jay, > I feel like I'm seriously missing something. > What I'm trying to say is, "What/Where is it?". > > I've followed the link, but I can't make heads or tails of what it is, > or what it's trying to be, or... > > I'm confused. > -Alan (Sorry if I'm just being dense) It's another one of those guys out there that is a fan of parks so has decided that he's building his own park somewhere. Does he have any land? no. Money? no. Resources or contacts? no. Clue about reality? Well, you can see his writings, and the quality of his map. But he's posted it on various sites and message boards out there and created his forums dedicated to his reality. Some see it as a good laugh, some shake their heads at it, some admire the kid for dreaming big. And I'll let you fill in the rest as you want. keep on ridin' George From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 13:12:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70105 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 21:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 21:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 21:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 21:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 21:12:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 21:11:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:11:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33958.52574.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 161.149.63.100 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=33o-Zt-VAkf7OXJSc90g4Swb-mw6SCy1CWyV36KpA0hN9Timi9Eg X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I'm reminded of this page on children's artwork: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=3Dirule It's a joke! It's a joke! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 16:39:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20584 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 00:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 00:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 00:38:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55236 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 00:38:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SN6FCOsVM1kgmCZHxNsSMAMbsTzqzPuB219oFR0YbuJnL3JF058thaXmUdtDKgTVhfv4p6bn9M6SZD7C28T8pY7rKQ-- X-Received: from [72.70.255.124] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:38:56 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:38:56 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1202491815.2246.63065.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <971442.54456.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Florida State Fair runs Feb. 7-18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=c-385Z58ORbi_H6LRfS468VJsY2FrJpoLfpHFgZZfRiFHT0SO9Jp X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm guessing that this is the former RC-48, a Pinfari non-looping steel coaster. < Wow. That has one of the most interesting profiles I've ever seen, sort of like a spider web blown by the wind. I wonder what the ride experience is like. There sure are a lot of fan turns. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 16:49:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65750 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 00:49:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 00:49:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 00:49:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9298 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 00:48:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jH7L2oEVM1mIY9ZY0SVlCFE7SGOe9AKMbZxPMELD5oELgZ54dg3N9jBLwGZ64757dvqP5yEtoMFdBU.YVyTmo0ZvJo3yhH2l0vEPVbrgmKYgwRK0HkIcICIyELXQJw-- X-Received: from [72.70.255.124] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:48:57 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:48:57 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1202491815.2246.63065.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <694671.5094.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=MrD__Z30XHcripFM--naFy3qbcntTPQwI_3WiFoenMP0440xAcp6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I feel like I'm seriously missing something. What I'm trying to say is, "What/Where is it?". < Don't feel bad, Alan. You aren't really missing anything. I think Absolutely Reliable had the best quote about State Showcase Funpark: "In a battle of idiots, everyone wins." The park doesn't exist. It's the brainchild of someone going by the name of jl57. I guess his real name is Jack. But I don't know Jack. He created the park in his imagination (drawing heavily on already existing parks) and posted his thoughts on that Delphi forum. His dream is to build it not too far from Cedar Point. He claimed at one point that it would be successful because there are over 17,000 hotels in the state of Ohio. What endeared the site to me was jl57's limited grasp of the english language. He struggled mightily to form a coherent sentence. Sadly, it looks like he's revised a good deal of the site recently and cleaned up a lot of his idiosyncrasies that made him so interesting. Over the past few months, he's had a battle of words with several detractors on the forum. I actually felt sorry for him. It's not a bad thing to have a dream, even if it's a poorly planned and articulated one. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 09:02:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64093 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 17:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 17:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 17:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:02:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:02:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <694671.5094.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dxL4nVfHLsN5W_cz1ddV8mHV4PAkHOWlOEGWab29vTj_ezs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 George & Jay, Thanks ever so much for the explanations. I really thought I was loosing it! ttfn...Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 09:14:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36317 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 17:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 17:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.128) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 17:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:14:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:13:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:13:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: HK Disneyland records double-digit growth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JldiBcgMqNvpQWPvPReJNPXq7Oa7RwUhXBFFpgUEHEa07Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 7, 2008 Xinhua News Agency China.org.cn http://www.china.org.cn/english/news/242332.htm LANTAU ISLAND, HONG KONG, CHINA -- Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL) recorded double-digit growth in attendance in the fiscal quarter ending late December, contributing part of the Walt Disney Company's quarterly earnings, the theme park's executive VP and managing director said Thursday. Inaugurating a traditional Chinese dragon dance featuring Disney classic Mickey Mouse in celebration of the beginning of the Lunar New Year, Bill Ernest said visitor flow had been steady throughout the quarter with prolonged festival celebrations such as Halloween and Christmas. Ernest declined to disclose expected attendance to HKDL but said he expected more visitors in the coming several days as it was only the first day of the Chinese New Year. "Kung Hei Fat Choy!" he said, citing a local Chinese phrase for best wishes. "The Year of the Mouse is a very special time for HKDL and Mickey Mouse and we have kicked off the festivities with a specially created dragon procession." The Chinese New Year 2008, or the Lunar New Year, was the year of Mouse,and its first day fell on Feb. 7, 2008 of the solar calendar. Ernest was dressed in the modernized version of a traditional Chinese short robe dotted with full circles and Mickey Mouse images that had been adapted to resemble the Chinese character Fu, or blessings. There were relatively long queues on Thursday at HKDL, the smallest one of the world's several Disneyland theme parks. The theme park, a joint venture between the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Government and the U.S. Walt Disney group, had recorded attendance figures that were lower than expected in the first 2 years since it was officially opened in September 2005. Officials at the HKDL had said that it was not putting attendance figures above everything else and that the theme park was expecting help from further expansions to attract visitors. Meanwhile the park also stepped up marketing by offering special events such as prolonged festivities around Halloween and Christmas. It had designed month-long Lunar New Year special offerings running from Jan. 22 through Feb. 24, with 7 special days in a row starting from the first day of the Chinese New Year, or Feb. 7. Many visitors from China's mainland said they liked the style of the HKDL that mixed eastern and western cultures. Ernest said HKDL would add the major feature of "It's a small world" in addition to at least 4 other projects. With growth in attendance for the quarter ending Dec. 29, the park contributed part of the sound quarterly corporate earnings announced by the United States-based Walt Disney Company on Tuesday, he said. The Disney group said its earnings per share for the fiscal quarter ended December 29 had increased 29% year on year, with improved performance at HKDL reflecting increased attendance. ------------- Copyright =A9 China.org.cn From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 09:19:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20766 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 17:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 17:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 17:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:19:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:19:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Anaheim seeks Disneyland monorail extension X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=At-gnZlRskt32KMHHebk4H4znWSCHI9eN1dEJ7R75k5l7qk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 3, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1270 ANAHEIM, CA -- Anaheim Mayor Curt Pringle has floated a $250-million plan to extend the Disneyland monorail to the proposed transportation hub at Angel Stadium in his recent state of the city speech. The proposal calls for Disney and other Anaheim businesses to foot the bulk of the bill for the public monorail system =97 that would serve 2.6 million passengers annually =97 while the city plans to seek additional transportation funding, reported the Orange County Register's Sarah Tully. While Disney officials called the proposal "very interesting" and "exciting," the theme park giant made no offer to pick up the tab. The Mouse would obviously be interested in any monorail that extended from Disneyland to an envisioned third theme park across Katella Avenue. (I'd settle for a monorail stop inside Disney's California Adventure.) Anaheim has a long history of dreamer fever, only to have its fantastic visions crushed on the rocks of reality. The proposed Sportstown entertainment complex at the stadium (complete with an indoor ski park) never got off the ground. The Tinseltown dinner theater (with a Hollywood awards ceremony theme) bowed shortly after its debut. And the city still holds out hope for a replacement NFL team, offering to build a football-only stadium. -------------- Copyright 2007 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 09:26:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73960 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:26:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:26:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney Presents Lifetime Passes to HKDL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5J3UFgSjllXYmqhr-DbWXjexwxPNBM9js8GmXgj5uWp4tnU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/8/2008 Mickey News http://www.mickeynews.com/News/DisplayPressRelease.asp_Q_id_E_288Pass LANTAU ISLAND, HONG KONG, CHINA -- To celebrate the auspicious Year of the Mouse, Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL) today announced it will present lifetime passes to Hong Kong's first newborn baby boy and baby girl in the Year of the Mouse. The passes entitle the children to free admission at Disney's theme parks in Hong Kong, the USA and Paris. The parents and siblings of the children will also receive a 10-year complimentary pass. "HKDL is the ideal place for children and their families to have fun and enjoy wholesome, magical entertainment," said Bill Ernest, Executive VP and Managing Director, HKDL Resort. "I'm delighted that HKDL will play a role in the growing up process of the first baby boy and girl born in the Year of the Mouse. They will not only enjoy the immersive experience at HKDL with their parents and siblings, but can also go beyond Hong Kong and experience first-hand the magic of Disney's other theme parks around the world." The complimentary pass is auspiciously called the "Red Pass" and will be presented to the first "Mouse" babies by HKDL Ambassador, Jasmine Law. This special "Red Pass" entitles the newborn to free admission at the HKDL Park; the 4 parks in Florida: Magic Kingdom Park, Epcot, Disney's Hollywood Studios, Disney's Animal Kingdom Park; those in California: Disneyland Park, Disney's California Adventure Park as well as the Disneyland Park and Walt Disney Studios Park in Paris. The parents and siblings of the first 'Mouse' babies will be able to enjoy the same worldwide privileges with their 10-year complimentary passes. ------------- =A9 2008 Mickey News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 09:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65291 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 17:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 17:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 17:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2008 17:35:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:35:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: The Walt Disney Company Reports 1st Quarter Earnings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yvgEa2NX5ZKDEp7P1WW34YvDtIyrxjOoPT1kKI9r91Af8As X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Since this article is SOOOO long, I'm just going to post bits & pieces. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Feb. 5 2008 BusinessWire Comtex Fox News http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/industries/media/article/walt-disney-com= pany-reports-quarter-earnings_466550_15.html BURBANK, CA -- The Walt Disney Company today reported earnings for its 1st fiscal quarter ended December 29, 2007. Diluted earnings per share for the quarter were $0.63. EPS in the prior-year quarter, which included gains on sales of our interests in E! Entertainment and Us Weekly, income from the discontinued operations of the ABC Radio business, and an equity-based compensation plan modification charge, were $0.79. Excluding these items, EPS increased 29% to $0.63 from $0.49 in the prior-year quarter. "We've started off 2008 with another outstanding quarter, marked by strong creative and operational performances," said Robert A. Iger, president and CEO. "These results once again highlight the quality of our content and our unique ability to leverage it across our many businesses and territories." --------------- =A9 2008 SmartMoney 2008 FOX News Network, LLC =A9 2004-2008 Comtex News Network, Inc. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 14:04:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65910 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 22:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 22:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 22:04:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37674 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 22:04:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9B0KzVcVM1kLnvJKyGOat.y.InCHhDFVFzrs9YNKtIqbBzq95z9j.kY7cnyJ_jfAD5bVeoTpMrvAhW2gnMmfa57aaqMAlJf2JaQrbz1Vb9ik6SlfoPPVbfIXD2c76f32Kef0_d2G4n6WpniMiBms9ORYYw-- X-Received: from [72.70.255.124] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:04:03 PST Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 14:04:03 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1202594524.5.11442.m48@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <902078.33815.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=BMv2l7T8ridZque3pgJ_LQlTvCRozyb17IlzhL5w_vyWutY1z9KS X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Some see it as a good laugh, some shake their heads at it, some admire the kid for dreaming big. < Ironically, George, the guy is 50 (according to his profile). That makes the whole thing even more interesting.... Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 14:05:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9504 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 22:05:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89437 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 22:05:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yrTg3_AVM1nTOBpNQsgzwuZklphmUvrzeBfMJ0qsTB5ywolhpnW1_cGxnbxYN.sWeSSO2vnxM54zrJU_BNR.xN0Nzdq0zz4Jp8XWhHbQkQ8Y7EfqHRFniszIr5e3r4w2iHZL9CT9f_9wNmU- X-Received: from [72.70.255.124] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:05:09 PST Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 14:05:09 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1202594599.5.46194.m50@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <138300.88176.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: The plan is revealed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=139DdI-tty5qmZEh2roaSBI57hzH_nmuv855zWwZTZCZW3zihdb_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm reminded of this page on children's artwork: < That is hysterical. Rude, but hysterical. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 10:50:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55482 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2008 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2008 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2008 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2008 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2008 18:50:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:50:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Worker dies at Rainbow's End X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=k4VYCKHItSTvdROQnOFKvOTPElR4mAKqIGkQ1aCQ6OPsNyw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 10, 2008 Television New Zealand http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/1576720 MANUKAU CITY, AUCKLAND, NZ -- Thrill seekers were turned away from one of New Zealand's most popular theme parks on Sunday following the death of a worker. The 21-y.o. died after becoming trapped in a gondola ride at Rainbow's End (RE) before the South Auckland amusement park opened for the day. Michael Stuart from Papakura died when he became trapped between a ferris wheel carriage and its frame. The gates to RE have been open for more than 2 decades but they will be closed for at least 2 days following Stuart's death. RE says it's shocked at the incident. "We regret to advise one of their valuable members and colleagues died in an accident at the park this morning," GM Chris Deere said. Deere says the ride was inspected by independent civil engineers in late January and had daily maintenance checks. He says it's too early to say how the incident happened. Stuart had worked at the park for 2 years and was carrying out routine maintenance when he was fatally caught. "We found a male had been trapped between a ferris wheel carriage and the frame, he was deceased on arrival," paramedic Paul Dillion said. Senior Sergeant Spencer Mathews says there was nothing suspicious in the death. He says police were alerted by a member of the public and the incident was witnessed by work colleagues. The union representing workers at the park says it has a good safety record. Stuart's family have visited the site and are being helped by Victim Support. "The staff member will be missed for his contribution to the success of RE and also for the friendships he formed with everyone else working there," Deere said. Police and Department of Labour inspectors are investigating. A post mortem examination will be carried out on Monday. ------------- Copyright 2008 Television New Zealand From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 11:31:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10439 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2008 19:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2008 19:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2008 19:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2008 19:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2008 19:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2008 19:31:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:31:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Will Disney Keep Us Amused? (Long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=J0ZzZJTrFh8fp2sdaZ-11NEkR_hA1U6jU8JH7S4BBplnTGY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 10, 2008 The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/business/media/10ride.html?hp By Brooks Barnes ANAHEIM, CA -=97 Visit Disney's California Adventure (DCA) =97 a 55-acre theme park next door to the fabled progenitor of the modern amusement Mecca, Disneyland (DL) =97 and you will find a noisy reminder of what happens when a company loses its focus and cuts corners. The Walt Disney Company built the park on the cheap in 2001, and many rides are copies of familiar carnival workhorses like the Ferris wheel. A lack of landscaping can leave guests sweltering. Outdoor shows were borrowed from other Disney properties. And the theme, built around tributes to California, is modest except for an occasionally unintentional ghost-town atmosphere: The park draws about 6 million visitors a year, a trickle compared with the 15 million who swarm DL. Now, Disney is embarking on a $1.1 billion, 5-year effort to get DCA on track. The blueprints call for ripping out ho-hum rides and adding elaborate new ones, rebuilding the park's entrance =97 a hodgepodge of turnstiles, a miniature Golden Gate Bridge and pastel tile murals =97 to shift the focus to Disney iconography. In June, Disney will unveil a glimpse of the shoot-for-the-moon bet it is making on DCA's makeover, with the introduction of a ride called Toy Story Mania (TSM). More than 3 years in the making, and estimated to cost about $80 million, TSM essentially puts guests inside a video game. Riders, wearing 3-D glasses, board vehicles that career through an old-fashioned carnival midway, operated by characters from the popular "Toy Story" film franchise. Vehicles stop at game booths =97 56 giant screens programmed with 3-D animation from Pixar =97 and riders play virtual-reality versions of classic carnival games. But much more is riding on TSM than a complex turnaround of just 1 theme park. TSM, which Disney is also installing in Florida, reflects the larger pressures and challenges facing the company's $10.6 billion parks and resorts business. To stay relevant to younger, digitally savvy visitors while also delivering growth to investors, Disney, the company that invented the modern theme park, knows that it has to devise a new era of spectacular attractions rooted in technology. One-upmanship increasingly drives this intensely competitive business, and Disney's rivals are also trying harder to gain market share. Universal Studios, part of NBC Universal, has more than quadrupled its spending on new rides, introducing attractions in California and Florida that are based on "The Simpsons." Universal is teaming up with Warner Brothers to bring a small Harry Potter-theme park to Florida in late 2009. Niche players like SeaWorld and Legoland are also muscling in on Disney's territory. At its core, however, TSM represents an effort to solve a puzzle that poses a much larger threat to Disney and the broader amusement park business. The quickening pace of daily living, advances in personal technology and the rapidly changing media landscape are combining to reshape what consumers expect out of a theme park, Disney executives say. TSM, which carries a modest price tag compared with some other Disney efforts, demonstrates one way that the company is fighting back, said Jay Rasulo, the chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. "Bigger and more expensive is not necessarily the answer," Rasulo said. "You want people leaving thinking, `Wow, only Disney could do that.'" Consumers' fixation on instant gratification and personalization has been reshaping the entertainment industry for some time, but it has finally caught up to the theme park business in visible ways. For instance, Disney has spent much more effort =97 and money =97 developing ways to entertain people as they stand in line for TSM. An animatronic figure with an estimated $1 million price tag will sing songs and interact with guests as they wait. Employees dressed as "Toy Story" characters will stroll among the crowds. "There's an erosion of patience," said Bruce Vaughn, the chief creative executive for Walt Disney Imagineering, the company's development group. "People's tolerance for lines is decreasing at a rapid rate." Rasulo said that younger visitors, in particular, expect customized entertainment. So TSM's computers will accommodate riders of various skill levels. "Guests are pretty much no longer interested in being passive viewers," Rasulo said. To address shifting tastes, the broader amusement park industry will have to rewrite its operating rules, said Jerry Aldrich, the founder of Amusement Industry Consulting. "Disney is already there, but a lot of parks are just waking up to this," he said. The health of the parks and resorts unit is crucial to Disney's overall performance. Its lucrative sports unit, ESPN, makes more money, and its movie studio basks in Hollywood glamour. But the parks, where people interact with Mickey and his pals, are the reason that the Disney brand is so powerful, analysts say. As the theme parks go, so goes Disney. Lately, Wall Street has been sounding alarm bells about the unit =97 and not just about DCA. While DL and the cluster of Florida parks that make up Disney World have been churning out record profits on strong increases in attendance, some investors worry that the troubled domestic economy will tear a hole in the business. In late January, a Citigroup analyst downgraded Disney's stock to a sell, citing concern about lower demand for hotel rooms at the resorts. Disney strongly rejects the skepticism, and some other analysts agree. Disney's CFO, Thomas O. Staggs, said the company saw no indication that consumers were cutting back. "We are pleased with the current pace of business at our parks, particularly given the record attendance we achieved last year," he told analysts on Tuesday during a conference call, held as the company released fiscal 1st-quarter earnings. Vacationers from Europe and Asia, benefiting from a weak dollar, could pick up some of the slack in the event of an economic downturn, but that could lead to cannibalization =97 Disney needs those same visitors to patronize theme parks in Paris, Hong Kong and Tokyo. Although its performance has drastically improved from its early days, DL Resort Paris is still struggling after 10 years of changes and heavy capital investment. The park in Japan is cruising right along, but attendance at nearby Hong Kong DL, the company's newest park, has fallen more than 25% since its 2005 opening. Disney told analysts on Tuesday that attendance in Hong Kong has recently "improved significantly" because of new promotions. To make certain that TSM is a hit =97 part of a strategic effort to keep mining revenue from the 13-y.o. "Toy Story" franchise =97 Disney is pulling every lever in its vast arsenal. Pixar, the Disney-owned studio working on "Toy Story 3" for a 2010 release, contributed animation and general creative advice. Disney VR Studios, the company's video game unit, customized software, while the parks and resorts unit handled the heavy lifting of design and construction. The media networks division, which includes ABC, will help publicize TSM once it opens =97 along with hundreds of other promotional partners. "We have an incredible number of engines at this company, and every one is firing around this franchise," Rasulo said. Work on TSM got under way on a stiflingly hot September day in 2005, when a team of Disney creative developers went to the LA County Fair. The goal was to research how carnival games operate. 2 developers, Kevin Rafferty and Robert Coltrin, had devised an idea for a new DCA ride that would juxtapose the old-fashioned romance of a carnival midway with high-tech video game elements. They had a hunch that "Toy Story" and "Toy Story 2," the Pixar films about toys coming to life, would provide a good theme. But they didn't know much about carnival games. "We looked at each other and said, `Are the games we remember from our childhoods even relevant anymore?'" Coltrin said. At the fair, the 2 were thrilled as they walked through rows of game booths =97 wooden structures that carnival operators call "stick joints" =97 to find crowds enjoying classic games like the ring toss and water guns. "We were like, `Score!' and gave each other a high-5," Coltrin recalled. Using digital cameras, members of the development team documented details, from the colors of the canvas covering each booth =97 red and yellow =97 to how far apart the games were spaced. They quickly ruled out some games as options TSM. "Toss a coin in a cup didn't really do it for us," said Chrissie Allen, a senior show producer. But other games, like one in which customers threw darts at balloons, piqued their interest. "We thought, `This just might work,'" Allen said. Reassembling at Disney's offices in Glendale, CA, the team worked on the concept that would become TSM. Because carnivals sell commotion, there would be lots of flashing lights, barkers trying to capture riders' attention, buzzers and bells. Rafferty & Coltrin dreamed up a fanciful story: The classic toys in "Toy Story" had come to life and staged a carnival under their owner's bed while he was away at dinner. Little Bo Peep would operate the balloon darts; Ham, the talking piggy bank, would cheer riders as they tossed virtual eggs at barn animals. The culmination would be "Woody's Rootin' Tootin' Gallery," a twist on old-fashioned shooting galleries. They would use full-scale 3-D animation, a first for a Disney ride. That, Vaughn said, would make riders feel as if they were inside a video game or a virtual world. "We look at it as gaming meets immersive storytelling," he said. While Vaughn and his colleagues were cogitating in the fall of 2005, Disney had its hands full. Robert A. Iger had just taken over the company after the exit of Michael D. Eisner and was working to extend Disney's partnership with Pixar, an effort that would result in a $7.4 billion acquisition. When Rasulo and his team presented Iger with plans for TSM, Iger was interested but cautious. Would TSM dovetail with much larger efforts to overhaul the entire park? TSM could handle up to 1,500 riders an hour. Was that enough? An improved relationship with Pixar looked promising, but what if a deal couldn't be reached? Would that hinder plans to build a lavish ride around Pixar's core creative property? But Iger liked a couple of the important parts of the proposal. Imagineers suggested building versions of TSM at the same time in California and Florida =97 a Disney first =97 to leverage the development costs. Another component involved the ease with which TSM could be rethemed every season. "The chance to take simple games that people have loved playing for generations and pairing them with cutting-edge technology just sounded exhilarating to everybody," Allen said. Building elaborate models is among the first formal steps in creating a Disney attraction. Engineers, paying attention to scale and sight lines, want to find out how a planned addition would affect the existing park. Models are built on large tables equipped with wheels. The company keeps room-size models of entire parks, and engineers will eventually wheel the new model into that area to see how it looks. To give birth to TSM, Rafferty & Coltrin went to work turning drawings of the ride into foam models, toiling in the same 1950s-era building in suburban LA where Walt Disney himself once tinkered. Tweaks started to happen. The team added turrets to the top of TSM for a more dramatic flair. They shifted the direction of the facade by a few degrees to make it more visible from the park entrance. "And we knew at this stage that we wanted a little piece of magic out in front as a tease to people as they waited in line," Coltrin said. Upstairs, designers entered blueprints for TSM into a computer program. This would allow them to start building and refining the entire project, which is made up of 150 computers, with 90 of them moving around on the ride vehicles and communicating with one another via a secured wireless network. With a click of a mouse, developers could jump to any spot inside in the vehicles for a virtual dip into how the experience might look to someone on the ride. "We don't want anybody to be able to see multiple versions of Woody at the same time, and seconds make a difference," said Mark Mine, the technical concept designer. "Every part of TSM has to be magical. It is much easier and less expensive to do this before the concrete has been poured," he added. "As rides become more complicated, your ability to tweak in the field gets harder and much more expensive." Across the street, in a cold, unmarked garage, Allen helped to conduct "play tests" on rudimentary versions of TSM. More than 400 people of all ages =97 all had signed strict nondisclosure agreements =97 sat on a plywood vehicle set up in front of a projection screen and played various versions of the games. Disney workers studied their reactions and interviewed them afterward. "We were looking to see if some effects were too scary," Allen said, "or if there wasn't enough laughing happening during certain sequences." Among the discoveries: People wanted to be able to compare scores after they were finished playing, while some children had a hard time reaching the cannonlike firing controller, christened by Disney as a "spring action shooter." Engineers added a computer screen to vehicles to display scores and installed the controls on movable lap bars. "We were trying to find out things we didn't even know to ask about," said Sue Bryan, a senior show producer. TSM's psychological components started to take shape during this phase. Disney decided that riders were happier when they got a bigger visual payoff. (One of Little Bo Peep's balloons now pops with greater force when hit with a virtual dart and a blast of air shoots into a rider's face.) A game involving shooting at a paper target was dropped. ("It was hard to make paper interesting," Bryan said.) And developers decided that the last game before the exit needed to be the easiest, so riders would feel that they were coming out as winners, even if they weren't very good. After Disney closed the Pixar deal, in January 2006, TSM became more elaborate. Iger wanted Pixar =97 and particularly one of its co-founders, John Lasseter, who had worked as a skipper on the Jungle Cruise ride at DL after college =97 to contribute to creative advances in the parks. Disney had incorporated Pixar movies into its theme parks before, but Pixar's involvement in those efforts was modest, Vaughn said. "The minute Pixar became 100% part of the family, it could go whole hog and dive in," he said. One of Lasseter's major concerns about TSM centered on the animation, various developers said. Disney had hired an outside contractor to handle it, but Lasseter insisted that Pixar staff members who were involved in creating the films should also work on the ride. The Disney team had also decided to leave out Buzz Lightyear, the modern spaceman toy in the films, because he was already showcased in an older ride called Astro Blasters. But Pixar felt that the character was essential to the "Toy Story" franchise. Buzz will now be a host of a game, and he shares top billing on the ride's marquee. Creating what Coltrin had called "a little piece of magic" was another area of special attention for Lasseter and his lieutenants. To entertain people as they waited in line, the developers decided to place one of Disney's signature animatronic figures outside. It would draw attention like a carnival barker, but also be sophisticated enough to interact one on one with guests, adding another element of customization. Only one "Toy Story" figure was considered for the role: Mr. Potato Head. Work on Mr. Potato Head started last year in a heavily guarded Disney research plant a few miles from the company's headquarters in Burbank, CA. Developers had to make a 5'-tall plastic potato sing, dance and seemingly hold conversations with people at random. The robot also had to be able to remove his ear and put it back on. "It's all in the math," said Jimmy A. Thomas, the lead mechanical designer. When Walt Disney introduced animatronics in the 1960s, coining the word in the process, his creations moved in simple ways through the use of pneumatic valves and hydraulic pumps. The children in the It's a Small World attraction wowed patrons simply by blinking their eyes and bowing. Modern visitors expect much more. Mr. Potato Head =97 with help from a dozen video cameras, several computers, an unseen ride operator and a $1 million budget =97 will be able to make his mouth form words, a first for Disney animatronics. The comedian Don Rickles, whose gravelly voice brought the character to life in the films, was hired to record 750 words and 4 songs. The hidden ride operator, armed with a computer and cameras that scan the crowd, will then choose phrases based on the actions and appearance of people standing in front of it. ("Hey, you in the red baseball hat.") The goal was to make the character so perfect that it looked as if it had just stepped out of the movies. Pixar executives tightly monitored every detail and helped direct Rickles. At a recent taping, the Pixar team put him through his paces. "Let's put a little more chuckle in that line," said Roger Gould, Pixar's creative director, sitting in a recording studio as 10 other executives and engineers took notes and adjusted instruments. Rickles complied, repeating a line that would play if the ride stopped unexpectedly. "Folks, we're having a little delay here," he said. "For your safety, please stay seated inside the game tram." Among Disneyphiles, at least, the wait for TSM to open is unbearable. Blogs like Blue Sky Disney and Mice Age, which are not affiliated with the company, have been chronicling minute details of the construction. ("The first ride vehicles have just arrived in California from their production facility in Osaka, Japan!") Al Lutz, the publisher of Mice Age and a critic of what he calls DCA's "cheap strip-mall stucco" aesthetic, says fans are keen to see TSM's over-the-top details. Disney is, after all, a company that studied how the sun struck the earth differently in various locations to determine the color of paint to use on the fairy-tale castle at the center of each resort. "Young people are going to be fighting to be first in line," he said. -------------- Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 14:56:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35424 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2008 22:56:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2008 22:56:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2008 22:56:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30164 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2008 22:56:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: laA3OV8VM1nwhVu_w58O_lHR38q_ff.hj.hdL22Zf0YDusBhjyoL.65eTboowUbVhg-- X-Received: from [72.70.255.124] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:56:17 PST Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:56:17 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1202666535.3166.24828.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <691699.28333.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: HK Disneyland records double-digit growth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=o7UlZdGY3fyWiNrIOreR_ElZ-ouQUhUBifLJHouzM9dS-MGMyJPA X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "The Year of the Mouse is a very special time for HKDL and Mickey Mouse and we have kicked off the festivities with a specially created dragon procession." < Well, technically it's the Year of the Rat, not the Mouse. Perhaps the park could rectify this by creating a new themed dark ride featuring Mickey crawling through a sewer. I'm glad to hear that HKDL has picked up a little steam. It's outlook seemed pretty bleak. But heck, since the owners of Taco Bell have had success marketing their own Chinese fast food restaurants in China, I guess anything's possible. Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 17:12:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51130 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 01:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 01:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 01:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 01:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 01:12:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:12:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <691699.28333.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.237.15.237 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: HK Disneyland records double-digit growth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=l6FpRb_ggnh8mRDpynkXlPNHe_x1TkMT_bIlyma4bCj4FObDAS4d X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > "The Year of the Mouse is a very special time for HKDL and Mickey=20 > Mouse and we have kicked off the festivities with a specially created > dragon procession." < >=20 > Well, technically it's the Year of the Rat, not the Mouse.=20 My wife (and Wikipedia) says that "Year of the Rat" and "Year of the Mouse" are equally valid, as the Chinese character for the year in the zodiac cycle is used for all sorts of different rodents. The zodiac just uses single characters, and to refer specifically to "rat" or "mouse" would require another character in front of the one for "rodent." Similarly, Year of the Rooster is just as validly Year of the Chicken, and Year of the Ox is just as validly Year of the Cow. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 06:58:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33084 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 14:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 14:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 14:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 14:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 14:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 14:58:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:58:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 'Friends of Conneaut Lake Park' rally to raise funds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=goZ6OqaIpEYaYqHZGd52JJBIAychJZiPaHubAvyTVYt9eds X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 10, 2008 Associated Press The Meadville Tribune http://www.meadvilletribune.com/local/local_story_041211944.html By Keith Gushard CONNEAUT LAKE, PA -- "The community needs the park to survive and the park needs the community," Wanda Ramaley told a crowd of about 75 people Sunday referring to the closed Conneaut Lake Park (CL) amusement park. Ramaley is one of the organizers of "The Friends of Conneaut Lake Park Fund" to raise money so that CL can pay its bills and reopen for the 2008 season. She hosted a meeting Sunday afternoon at her business the Stable Pit and Pub for those possibly interested in helping the park. CL didn't fully open in 2007 because of lack of funds. A campaign to raise $60,000 was successful, and the Beach Club did open in mid-August 2007 and was open until the end of October. However, the park suffered another setback this month when its Dreamland Ballroom and its maintenance shop were destroyed in a Feb. 1 fire. There was no fire insurance on any of the buildings. The Board of Trustees of CL, which oversees the park, had allowed the insurance to lapse because there was no money to pay it. Eileen Bertera, another of the proposed fund's organizers and owner of the Kaylee Belle tourism boat, put it bluntly. "They're broke," said Eileen Bertera, referring to the financially strapped amusement park. "The first goal is to get the fire insurance paid." The group wants to work with the park's board of trustees to raise money to help pay bills and get the park reopened for 2008, Bertera said. "If it doesn't open =97 we're all hurting," she said. With CL not open, Crawford County's economy loses as much as $16.5 million a year, according to estimates by the Crawford County Convention and Visitors Bureau. The new group is also trying to form committees such as research and development, legal team and fund-raiser to help the trustees. Contacted Sunday night by the Tribune, Jack Moyers, president of the Board of Trustees of CL, said the board would consider working with the new group. "If they present the board with their intentions, the boad would entertain working with them," Moyers said. A fund for donations has been set up with at First National Bank of Pennsylvania at Conneaut Lake, said Bertera. The Friends of Conneaut Lake Park will seek tax-exempt status so contributions can be tax-deductible, Bertera said. There is no set goal for the fund-raising efforts, both Bertera and Ramaley said. "I don't know if it will do any good, but at least we're going to try," Ramaley said of the fund-raising efforts. You can help Donations to aid CL may be made to: Friends of Conneaut Lake Park Fund, in care of First National Bank of Pennsylvania, P.O. Box 70, Conneaut Lake, Pa., 16316. You can go The Sociology Club of Edinboro University of Pennsylvania is holding a fund-raiser to help rebuild CL's historic Dreamland Ballroom that was destroyed in a fire Feb. 1. The club is holding a "Dreams Come True Dance" at the Stable Pit and Pub Restaurant, Conneaut Lake, Saturday from 8-11p.m. Tickets are $10 per person or $15 per couple and can be purchased at the door or in advance by calling 382-8777. Checks should be made out to Conneaut Lake Benevolent Association Auxiliary. ------------ =A9 2005, The Meadville Tribune Associated Press content =A9 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 07:02:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79830 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 15:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 15:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 15:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:02:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:02:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Developers of Bible park hope meetings ease concerns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=f6XiOffCUYbxkHV4QInufKscuJuOhndzMBDtHYT7-h5A1EQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 10, 2008 The Associated Press WMC-TV 5 http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=3D7850624 MURFREESBORO, TN -- Developers of a proposed Bible-themed amusement park hope public meetings about the project will ease concerns of Rutherford County residents. The developers have identified an area west of Murfreesboro near I-24 as the location to build the 200-acre Bible Park USA. The site is located about 35 miles southeast of Nashville. Last year, residents concerned about traffic and noise from the development launched a petition drive to stop the project. But developers are holding 3 information sessions in La Vergne, Smyrna and Murfreesboro to hopefully put residents' minds at ease by providing more details about the $175 million project. The first day of the sessions was today and the others will be on Tuesday. --------------- Copyright 2008 The Associated Press Copyright 2000 - 2008 WorldNow and WMCTV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 07:08:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74740 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 15:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 15:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 15:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:08:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:08:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Namco Bandai Cuts Forecast on Amusement Park Business X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=43shKkvuXnQCyHDKL0tghBJGOflIKw2zzoObB-9J3dhM0UI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 11, 2008 Bloomberg http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=3D20601101&sid=3DakZM7zdknlqA By Mari Murayama TOKYO, JP -- Namco Bandai Holdings Inc. (N-B), creator of "Pac-man," slashed its annual profit forecast on a slump in its leisure park business and will shut as many as 60 amusement centers. The company's shares fell by their daily limit. Tokyo-based N-B expects net income to total 16.5 billion yen ($155 million) in the year ending March 31, down 38% from its previous target of 26.5 billion yen. Profit fell 26% in the 9 months ended Dec. 31 to 14.7 billion yen. The stock closed 200 yen, or 13%, lower to 1,295 yen in Tokyo, the biggest 1-day drop since the company was created in September 2005 by the merger of Bandai Co. and Namco Ltd. 9-month profit from amusement facility operations fell 57% from a year earlier, the company said today in a statement distributed at the Tokyo Stock Exchange. The Tokyo-based company operated 1,792 amusement outlets in Japan and abroad as of Dec. 31. N-B's 3-year business plan targets 58 billion yen operating profit on sales of 550 billion yen for the 12 months ending March 2009. Operating profit is what remains after subtracting from sales the cost of goods sold and administrative expenses. "It will be difficult to achieve the 3-year target," Takeo Takasu, N-B's president, said at a news conference in Tokyo. He said the company may lower the target. ------------- Copyright 2008 Bloomberg L.P. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 07:16:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31054 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 15:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 15:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 15:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:16:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:16:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Crocodiles 'invade' Pasay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bm79T_qJN72CQUafuz5j_E1gSAHpbGATAKaOUr2ShjXLUy8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 02/11/2008 The Philippine Daily Inquirer http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/metro/view/20080211-118051/C= rocodiles-invade-Pasay By Frances Gumapac PASAY CITY, PHILIPPINES -- The carousels have long stopped spinning, the roller coasters pulled out and the circus tents dismantled. But an even more exotic act has replaced the old attractions in this amusement park by the bay known for its heart-stopping rides and entertaining sideshows. Metro Manilans can now experience a taste of the wild side with a show featuring 200 crocodiles, 4 belonging to the endangered Philippine freshwater crocodiles species, with marmots, alpacas and other animals on the side. They have been flown in from Mindanao for the Davao Crocodile Park Roadshow and Wildlife Encounter, now on exhibit at the 11-hectare Boomland (formerly Boom na Boom Complex) on Roxas Boulevard in Pasay City. The event, which will run until the end of the month, offers city folk a chance to sample, hands on, an encounter with wildlife as they touch and take photos of the animals, with the assistance of park attendants. The idea for the road show began with a person's unusual interest in these scaly reptiles. "My fascination with crocodiles began in the 1980s," said Sonny Dizon, owner of the Davao Crocodile Park in Davao City. On a business trip to New York, Dizon saw footwear made of crocodile skin in a shoe store selling the merchandise at $800 a pair. From there, a lucrative business plan was formulated, especially after Dizon learned that crocodiles are raised in the U.S. and Australia not just for public viewing but for the manufacture of shoes and bags as well. "It was then that I toyed with the idea of creating a crocodile farm in the Philippines," he said. In 1995, the government granted the Davao Crocodile Park Inc. (DCPI) accreditation and a permit to operate. But what started out as a business venture eventually led to a commitment to conserve these remarkable creatures. "Conserving and preserving our wildlife would help sustain jobs in the long run for our fellowmen," Dizon told the Inquirer. The DCPI is doing its fair share in educating people about endangered species by bringing the show to different places in the country, with Manila as one of its stops. As an added bonus, professional acrobats will perform a tightrope balancing act over a pond filled with 67 crocodiles. Apart from the crocodiles, also featured are 28 other exotic animals, including an orangutan, a civet, marmots, an alpaca, Palawan bear cats, wild boars, a tiger, raptors, Philippine deer and an albino python, among others. The DCPI is a privately owned rescue unit for wildlife. So far, it has released 43 Philippine freshwater crocodiles (Crocodylus mindorensis) to the Mandug Conservation area in Davao City, with the hope that this move will increase the hatching process and survival rate of the reptiles. The vicinity has a huge freshwater area reminiscent of the natural habitat of the endangered species. ----------- Copyright 2008 Philippine Daily Inquirer From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 07:28:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 522 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 15:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 15:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 15:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2008 15:28:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:27:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tax Relief For Trimper's, Other Parks Need Not Apply X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eYDD3-nECfNpkOuhEqRHDrJGTxVY7vbJxI8nBAqoDRe11YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 02/06/2008 WBOC-16 http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D7832326 by Weijia Jiang OCEAN CITY, MD.-- A tax break could be on the way for an Ocean City landmark, but good news for one amusement park is not so good for its major competitor. The Trimper family has been fighting a tax hike since the 2007 property assessments presented an increase of about $50 million in value, which translated to more than $300,000 of property taxes a year for 3 years. The family expressed concern about the figures, and publicly stated the Trimper's Rides and Amusement Park would most likely be shut down and sold if some sort of tax relief was not available. The site has been at the Ocean City inlet for 118 years. On Wednesday, Del. Jim Mathias introduced a bill to the Maryland House of Representatives that would enable both the Worcester County Commissioners and Ocean City Town Council to give Trimper's tax credits to a "historic" amusement park on three conditions: * The park must have been open for more than 100 years; * The same family has owned and operated it and,=20 * It must have been located in the same general place since it opened.=20 The only business in Ocean City that qualifies for that is Trimper's. The bill was presented only after both groups gave official support of the bill. Granville Trimper said, "We are very happy about this. We want to keep bringing happiness to Ocean City visitors. To be honest we would have to close up shop if we didn't get some help, so this is a big deal for us." If state leaders pass the bill, it will be up to Worcester County Commissioners and the Ocean City Town Council to determine how much tax relief to give the Trimper family. The family will also have to re-apply for a tax credit every year. In January, Jolly Rogers Amusements owner Buddy Jenkins asked Worcester County and Ocean City leaders to include his business in the tax relief bill, but Mathias says it is not that easy. "The time and effort that the Trimpers' put into this piece of legislation is obvious. It's taken months to prepare, and it's been under deliberation for years. For any other case we'll have to look at that respectfully, each case on its own merit," Mathias said. Mathias said he introduced the bill only after he received letters of support for Trimper's from Worcester County and Ocean City, but no such letters of support come for Jolly Rogers. WBOC tried to reach Jenkins several times, but he did not return any phone calls. ---------------- Copyright 2000 - 2008, WorldNow and WBOC From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Feb 11 18:38:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67389 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 02:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 02:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 02:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 02:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 02:38:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 02:38:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:38:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.92.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: disney rides of the past X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=4Cd0JiMpIGxTMJartxiegmL7Et8fiRf64liMtTKaS6IG1i_gJg4deTLRow X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 here is a fun little story i found on myspace; http://news.myspace.com/funny_misc/weird_wacky/item/14501906 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 07:28:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71770 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 15:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 15:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 15:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 15:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 15:28:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:28:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Bible Park May Be Delayed, Developers Miss Deadline X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vzRPUVRfSFPI8TzxZjwQXibkaYGHlIS_fhE23i6afYjgx6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 12, 2008 WKRN-2 http://www.wkrn.com/nashville/news/bible-park-may-be-delayed-developers-mis= s-deadline/136128.htm MURFREESBORO, TN -- Plans for a bible theme park in the Blackman community of Rutherford County may be delayed. The Daily News Journal is reporting that the bible park may be delayed until after April because developers missed a deadline for filing paperwork. Armon Bar-Tur is behind Bible Park USA, a $175 million project. Bar-Tur said the park is like an enhanced trip to vacation bible school, inspired by people who want to travel to the holy land, but don't have the time or money. Some people are concerned that the park would bring noise and traffic problems to the neighborhood. Developers are holding meetings Tuesday so residents of Rutherford County can hear more about plans for the park. The first meeting Tuesday will be from 11 a.m. until 1:30 p.m. in Smyrna at the Town Centre. Another meeting will be Tuesday from 4:30 p.m. until 7:30 p.m. at the Lane AgriPark in Murfreesboro. Developers said they hope to open the park by Easter 2010. ------------ Copyright 2008 by WKRN Nashville Tennessee From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 07:36:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23042 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 15:36:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 15:36:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 15:36:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 15:36:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 15:36:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:36:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney to open 'American Idol' theme park attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iHTmRBCHqEHEpODlFYyA4xQDg1_7IsfRS1vhCjI8HCoiVXc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 08, 2008 The Associated Press USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2008-02-07-disney-american-idol= _N.htm?csp=3D34 By Derrik J. Lang LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Walt Disney World is about to get a little pitchy, dawg. Walt Disney Parks and Resorts announced plans Thursday to create a live performance attraction based on "American Idol" at Disney's Hollywood Studios theme park =97 formerly called Disney-MGM Studios =97 in Lake Buena Vista, FL. "Our goal is to try to recreate the excitement of those 24 people who show up on that 'American Idol' stage," Disney Parks chairman Jay Rasulo told The Associated Press. "We believe many, many viewers want to know exactly how that feels, and we're going to try to reproduce that feeling for them." Much like the hugely popular Fox singing competition, the as-yet-unnamed attraction =97 scheduled to open in late 2008 =97 will allow theme park guests to audition then perform before a live studio audience inside the Hollywood Studios' theater space formerly occupied by the "Doug Live!" and "Superstar Television" attractions. Disney licensed the rights to create the attraction from "Idol" co-producers 19 Entertainment and FremantleMedia, despite the fact "American Idol" airs on Fox and Disney owns broadcast competitor ABC. "It is owned by us, so we can extend the brand in the off-air space in the ways that we want to," said Keith Hindle, FremantleMedia's licensing VP. "We don't see this in any way as a NewsCorp. vs. Disney debate. That's never been part of the discussion, and it's not something that's relevant to us. It's just part of 'American Idol."' The attraction's details are still being worked out, but it will probably operate something like this: Theme park guests ages 14 and up will be able to audition for a Disney casting producer. Those who pass the test will be selected to appear in one of the park's "Idol" stage shows. Rasulo anticipates 6-8 such shows a day. Backstage, the performers will receive hair and makeup touchups from a stylist and singing tips from a vocal coach. Then, the guests will perform on an "Idol"-like set in front of a live audience and 3 judges. No, not Randy Jackson, Paula Abdul and Simon Cowell. Instead, Rasulo says it's likely 3 audience members will be selected to evaluate the performers while a live host will keep the show moving. Top audience vote-getters will compete in a grand finale show at the end of each day. Overall daily champs will win a special front-of-the-line pass at a regional audition for the actual "American Idol" show. Hindle says Disney winners won't be given any special treatment during the real audition, just the ability to skip ahead. Because of eligibility differences =97 namely, the TV show's 16-28-y.o. age limit =97 winners may be offered the option of transferring their pass to a friend or family member, but they won't be allowed to sell it. Daily champs too young to audition for the real deal could save the pass until they're old enough to compete, according to Hindle. But will there be enough Fantasias and Sanyayas to keep theme park audiences captivated? "I know that there's enough talent on any given day in our theme parks to keep people entertained," said Rasulo. Beyond the attraction, Hindle says actual "Idol" stars may make appearances throughout the year and merchandise designed by both FremantleMedia and Disney's product divisions especially for the attraction would be available for sale. "It's a very collaborative process," Hindle said. "Disney knows more about live stage productions that we ever will. We know more about our TV show that Disney ever will. Exactly how this will manifest it is something that will be mutually approved by all parties. We're looking to Disney to see how their guests like to be entertained." ------------- Copyright 2008 The Associated Press Copyright 2008 USA TODAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 07:50:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47949 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 15:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 15:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 15:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 15:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2008 15:49:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:49:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Attraction designers are on a creative roll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lG8jyKPhItRGD-ySVur5ubYsBMmsVGWR_ErFepFoncUZI5s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 11, 2008 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-cover11x08feb11,0,486271.story?= track=3Drss By Scott Powers ORLANDO, FL -- Imagine the ride of the future, featuring the hottest theme-park trends and technologies: As a laser-guided, indoor-ride car moves forward, a robotic arm makes the seats rise and fall, swivel left and right, and spin, so that riders might feel as though they are flying with all the freedom of a butterfly. The space they fly through is mostly dark but aglow with digital video images that appear 3-dimensional and different to every rider, with high-definition theatrical sounds and other special effects making a storybook environment. The riders don't just fly through the story, they work devices that let them choose their experience, alter their movements, and interact with the images. For the next round of attractions coming to Orlando --SeaWorld's new water park, Aquatica, due this spring; Walt Disney World's next big ride, Toy Story Mania, due this summer; and Universal Orlando's new attractions area, The Wizarding World of Harry Potter, due next year -- theme park executives are not offering many details. But they are setting up high expectations."Aquatica is like no other water park in the world," said Joe Couceiro, marketing VP for Busch Entertainment Corp., parent company of SeaWorld and Aquatica. "Toy Story Mania is the next-generation interactive, ride-through experience," saidTom Fitzgerald, executive VP and senior creative executive of Walt Disney Imagineering. "Wizarding World is probably going to bring to life the most stunning technologies across the gamut of ride-show experiences," said Mark Woodbury, president of Universal Creative. The pressure is on to deliver on such boasts. Competition is heating up, with big, new tourist-destination parks springing up in the Middle East, China, Singapore and elsewhere. Even some smaller, regional parks are now trying to develop high-tech attractions such as Universal Orlando's The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man -- the kind of rides that previously helped set Orlando's big destination parks apart from the rest of the pack. "Spider-Man at Universal really opened a door. The Curse of DarKastle at Busch Gardens inVirginia is essentially the same ride -- and DarKastle reduced the costs," said Kenneth Eff, a partner in Orlando-based Attraction Design Services, which is developing rides for the new Hard Rock Park that opens in South Carolina this spring. "Since then, I think other parks are looking and saying, 'Well, we can get the same technologies as Disney and Universal, for a lot less money.' " Audiences, too, are raising the bar. Theme parks must out do the thrills, realism and control that people can now find at home in increasingly sophisticated video games and interactive Internet sites. Consequently, hybrids of existing thrill rides and technology-driven indoor, or "dark," rides are being developed, said Bill Coan, president of Orlando-based ITEC Entertainment Corp., whose clients include Universal. "You combine the best in theater effects with aggressive thrill rides, on top of which you're sitting on motion bases -- not only moving forward and backward, but rocking up and down and sideways," Coan said. "The dark-ride genre is still story-driven, but in large part it really needs good theatrical and cinematic effects to pull off the show because, doggone it, these kids growing up today are not going to want to see It's A Small World now." Like his counterparts, Universal Creative President Woodbury declines to offer many details about future rides, including The Simpsons attraction that opens this summer and the Wizarding World rides to come later. He did say that Universal is pursuing technologies that let riders customize their experience -- choosing from among planned encounters and adjusting the intensity. Robotics that can adjust a rider's position will play "a very big role, and are enabling things to happen that have never happened before," he said. Public records show that, in recent months, Universal has hired one of the world's top roller-coaster manufacturers and a large-structure construction company, as well as numerous show-technology and dark-ride specialists. But they would not talk about their projects, citing nondisclosure agreements. "We want deeper levels of immersion, by using ride systems that are integrated to show systems that work seamlessly together," Woodbury said. "The Wizarding World is going to take that to a whole new level beyond Spider-Man." Both Universal and Disney insist that the immersion of customers into a good story, not the latest technology, must remain the foundation of their attractions. "Immersion is our stock in trade," said Scott Trowbridge, VP for creative research and development at Walt Disney Imagineering. "For us, the technology is always in service of the story," he said. "Say Midway [Toy Story] Mania: one of the coolest pieces of technology in that attraction is a really, really fast track switch that allows us to send vehicles into different scenes in a way we wouldn't have been able to do before. ... We're all really excited about it. But we don't want our guests to think or care about it." For Busch, the latest innovations stress immersing visitors into real-life habitats, not stories, said Couceiro. The company renamed its parks group "Worlds of Discovery" to emphasize what he calls Busch's specialty: educational attractions. Visitors might not want to be lectured, but they want more than thrills, he said; they want to leave feeling fulfilled. "Jungala in Tampa is a great example of that," he said, referring to the new attractions area that opens this spring in Busch Gardens Tampa Bay. "It's the up-close encounters with the white tigers, or having an orangutan over your head, or doing a tug of war with a tiger with a rope pull. You have all kinds of different discovery caves that allow you to immerse yourself in this habitat," he said. "When you do that, you're being entertained, but you're also being educated whether you know it or not." ------------ Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 07:32:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29728 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 15:32:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 15:32:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 15:32:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2008 15:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2008 15:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2008 15:32:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:32:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland goes back to the future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OwhFdylnDe0Kq3U_6NEFeLt8nvGvfrd9MU-5Laz1rEY9Aow X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 13, 2008 The Associated Press CNN http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/13/disney.future.ap/index.html?section=3Dcn= n_latest ANAHEIM, CA -- Millions of Disneyland (DL) visitors lined up a half-century ago to catch a glimpse of the future: a home teeming with mind-blowing gadgets such as hands-free phones, wall-sized televisions, plastic chairs, and electric razors and toothbrushes. The "House of the Future," a pod-shaped, all-plastic dwelling that quickly seemed quaint closed its doors a decade later. Now Disney is set to open a new abode in Tomorrowland -- this time in partnership with 21st century technology giants. The 5,000-sq-ft home scheduled to open in May will look like a normal suburban home outside, but inside it will feature hardware, software and touch-screen systems that could simplify everyday living. Lights and thermostats will automatically adjust when people walk into a room. Closets will help pick out the right dress for a party. Countertops will be able to identify groceries set on them and make menu suggestions. The $15 million home is a collaboration of The Walt Disney Co., Microsoft Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co., software maker LifeWare and homebuilder Taylor Morrison. Visitors will experience the look of tomorrow by watching Disney actors playing a family of 4 preparing for a trip to China. "It's much different than a spiel that you would get at a trade show," said Dave Miller, director of alliance development for Walt Disney Parks & Resorts. "We won't get into the bits and the bytes. It will be about the digital lifestyle and how that lifestyle can help you." The actors will be in a flurry of cooking, packing and picture-taking designed to emphasize cutting-edge features in the home's 2 bedrooms, living room, kitchen, dining room, study and back yard. Much of the project will showcase a network that makes the house "smart" and follows family members from room to room -- even adjusting artwork -- to preset personal preferences. When a resident clicks a TV remote, for example, lights will dim, music will shut off and the shades will draw as the network realizes a movie is about to start. The system will allow residents to transfer digital photos, videos and music among televisions and computers in different rooms at the click of a button. Other applications still in development could include touch-screen technology built into appliances, furniture and countertops, said Joe Belfiore, Microsoft's VP for entertainment services. In the kitchen, for example, touch pad software on the countertop would be able to identify groceries and produce recipes and meal suggestions. Similar programs could turn a desktop into a computer screen, allowing residents to load photos, music or e-mail onto a cell phone by placing it on the desk. Mirrors and closets could identify clothes and suggest matching outfits, complementary colors or track what apparel is at the cleaners or in the wash. The home will also feature new uses for devices that many visitors may already own, as well as technologies that are still 5-10 years down the road, said Mike Seamons, VP of marketing at LifeWare, which makes home automation software. "If people walk through there and say, 'I don't have anything in this house at all,' then we've totally failed," Seamons said. "We're not waiting for robots to happen in order for it to be a reality." When it comes to aesthetics, designers decided to stray from the Jetsons-style House of the Future -- an all-plastic cross design with 4 wing-shaped bays that appeared to float. The house was so tough that wrecking balls bounced off it when Disney ripped it down in 1967. The new home will be made of wood and steel and finished in muted browns and beiges, said Sheryl Palmer, president and CEO of Taylor Morrison in North America. "The 1950s home didn't look like anything, anywhere. It was space-age and kind of cold," she said. "We didn't want the (new) home to intimidate the visitors. We want the house to be real accessible to our guests." --------------- Copyright 2008 The Associated Press =A9 2008 Cable News Network From russellcott@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 06:57:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: russellcott@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32187 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 14:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 14:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 14:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 14:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 14:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 14:57:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:57:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.65.32.83 From: "russellcott" Subject: Get herpes or HPV? 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Just in time for Valentine's day - thanks!! -Nate ;) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 07:32:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13413 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 15:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 15:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 15:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:32:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:32:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Get herpes or HPV? See who have STD in your area. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KKL6pzj3eF5m6Vo6EhvljM9aXBv05hvSq4__OOl3bFpUVFM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I'm glad you have a good humor about this. The "Member" has been put on report. I'll leave it to George to see if they get bounced or not. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > You can contact STD people, if you want to chat, share stories, make > > friends or find lifetime match. >=20 > Just in time for Valentine's day - thanks!! >=20 > -Nate >=20 > ;) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 07:52:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46646 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 15:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 15:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 15:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:52:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:52:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Day of Fun at Theme Park Turns Into a Tragedy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1sAx6TjKZdqfPrAmgfHOMu7rbeIMftxTCmDvYxN3tdrc6E0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 14 February 2008 (07 Safar 1429) Arab News http://www.arabnews.com/?page=3D1§ion=3D0&article=3D106744&d=3D14&m=3D2= &y=3D2008&pix=3Dkingdom.jpg&category=3DKingdom By Lulwa Shalhoub JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA -=97 A day of fun at a Jeddah theme park turned into a bloody scene when a 3-y.o. boy died after a train ran over him. The accident occurred at the Atallah Park Tuesday night between 9-10 p.m., witnesses said. "As my family and I entered the theme park, we went to buy tickets. The tickets counter was closed and they told me that there was an accident and a boy was seriously injured. I didn't know he actually died," said Haya Al-Ghamdi, a middle-aged mother of 3. The boy was riding the train at Atallah Park on Jeddah's Corniche when his seat belt came loose. He fell out and was run over by another train. Civil Defense rescuers took the boy to a nearby hospital where he died. The reason for the accident is unclear. A Civil Defense source, who didn't want to be named, said police are investigating the incident. He said amusement parks do not adequately screen kids to ensure they are old enough to get on the rides safely. "Parents have to be more cautious," he said. Atallah Park was closed indefinitely after the accident. Safety inspectors were at the park yesterday checking the rides. The results of the inspection weren't available yesterday. The Jeddah Police Department did not answer Arab News requests for comment. The Civil Defense has a special department that checks on safety measurements at amusement centers. Inspectors follow a schedule of weekly and monthly maintenance. Arab News covered an accident last summer at Al-Shallal Theme Park, also located on Jeddah's Corniche. 2 Civil Defense teams and an ambulance were called to that theme park to save 24 women and children who were stuck in the air in a ride that is called "The Fan". 3 years ago 10 people were injured in an accident at an amusement park in the Eastern Province. ------------ Copyright: Arab News =A9 2003 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 07:58:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61664 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 15:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 15:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 15:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:58:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:58:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Theme park supporters circulate petitions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=d-QrpyM-8rP-n5EyMysap5aDTjik_B3jZivIPBkcPTlXrqE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 13, 2008 The Associated Press Traverse City Record-Eagle http://www.record-eagle.com/local/local_story_044094636.html By Sheri McWhirter GRAYLING, MI -- Supporters of a proposed theme park in Crawford County are gathering signatures on informal community petitions to encourage state officials to sell 1,800 acres of public land for the development. The grassroots effort won't go unnoticed by state decision-makers, but it also won't change required proof of finances for the entire project before the land sale is finalized, officials said. Jean Weaver nearly collected 40 signatures at North Country Corner, a clothing shop she co-owns in Grayling. She wants to see the theme park plan realized, as do most people she knows, she said. "We want things done properly, but we'd like to see it happen," Weaver said. The petition's language includes the need for stringent environmental requirements and full financing before the land is sold. Nearly 800 pro-project signatures already arrived at the Crawford County Economic Development Partnership in Grayling, which organized the petition drive to last through Friday, said Gaila Gilliland, director. "These are man-on-the-street petitions," she said. "It can't help but show there's support." Not everyone signed when asked, though. "I didn't believe it from the day they announced it and I still don't believe it will ever happen," said Pete Kocefas of Frederic, who said he was approached at least three times about the theme park petition. Axiom Entertainment of Rochester wants to build a $161 million amusement park near I-75 in Grayling Township. Proponents say it would create thousands of jobs and spark a local economic boon, while others expressed environmental concerns for the Au Sable River watershed and the use of public dollars on the venture. The company's lead developer for the project is Patrick Crosson, who emerged from personal bankruptcy in 2006 and worked in the 1990s to build a theme park in Indiana, which eventually failed in bankruptcy. The Michigan Department of Natural Resources wants proof that developers have enough money before they sell the land, said David Freed, land and facilities chief. "We're still finalizing documents. We're finishing them up," said Susan Haddad, company spokeswoman. "The funds for the purchase of the land are there, but they wanted to see it for the entire theme park." In the meantime, the community petitions will be considered, Freed said. "It doesn't mean they might get the result they want, but we won't ignore it. It will be part of our record for this project," Freed said. -------------- =A9 2008, CNHI Associated Press content =A9 2007 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 08:07:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16757 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 16:07:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 16:07:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 16:07:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 16:07:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 16:07:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 16:07:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:07:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Board votes to pursue park study X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3_FfeHQY2XZgXjIw1v5tPKkYnXxqvhvBnvMRd87BKUnYWlY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 15. 2008 Times Daily http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20080215/NEWS/802150330/1011/news By Trevor Stokes Florence, AL -- A feasibility study to determine whether a proposed indoor water-theme park would be a success is now in position to move forward. The Shoals Chamber of Commerce board voted Thursday to pursue the study and will solicit proposals and evaluate consultants who want to conduct the study. Developer Roger Brown, a Shoals native and partner of Nashville-based Centrum Properties, has agreed to pay for the study, officials said. Brown owns Doublehead Resort near the Lawrence-Colbert County line. His company specializes in residential and commercials developments. Brown was unavailable for comment Thursday. If the proposal is viable and if it's approved, the park would be built in Florence's Veterans Park and would satisfy the area's commitment to a tourism project involving the Retirement Systems of Alabama. The project involves 2 Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail courses in Colbert County and a luxury hotel and convention center in Florence. In November, Brown, several local leaders and an RSA representative visited Wisconsin Dells, WI, where they toured an indoor water park. The park, which is between Chicago and Minneapolis, includes water slides, tubing and wading pools. The group included chamber President Steve Holt. They returned with interest in exploring a similar park for the Shoals. Although Brown will pay for the study, the chamber will ultimately select the consulting company. "The next logical step is to coordinate a feasibility study to determine whether the Shoals area could sustain this type of development," Holt said. "Our role would be to get the feasibility study done. We're not looking to find the lowest priced or the highest priced. We're trying not to let price be the issue but experience (of the consultant)" Holt said, based on similar projects, "the water park would highlight the natural resources provided by the Tennessee River." Holt said consultants will have to consider the potential radius from which tourists would be drawn to the area in order to determine the proper size of the proposed park. "We're told there's half a dozen consultants around the country that do those things," Holt said. "If there's 20 (consultant companies) out there, we would send all 20 requests for proposals." Any major development at Veterans Park will need financial backing from investors. The Public Park Authority of the Shoals, which includes local governments involved in the RSA project, has set aside $2 million for a Veterans Park project. That money, however, would be used to assist in resolving infrastructure needs at the park. The project will ultimately need to receive approval from the Tennessee Valley Authority, which owns the land. "It's something that will fit at Veterans and complement the hotel and the conference center as well as the golf course," said Dick Jordan, vice chairman of the Public Park Authority. Florence officials have received other ideas for possible developments at Veterans Park, including a whitewater rafting park (shoalswhitewater.com), which has received some preliminary work. None of the other projects has received financial backing for a feasibility study. "We just have not had the finances to fund a feasibility study on so many projects," said Florence Mayor Bobby Irons. "We have received numerous suggestions but the indoor park seems to be a workable solution to this challenge." --------------- =A9 Copyright 2008 TimesDaily From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 08:11:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89871 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 16:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 16:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 16:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 16:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 16:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 16:11:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:11:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park ready to reopen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gpHqPAgGGwxSlRAH5RV-RsdSMbaE2tgG7iOIrnKXT9SBOwM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 14, 2008 The Associated Press The Valdosta Daily Times http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/local/local_story_045224356.html VALDOSTA, GA -- Wild Adventures Theme Park in Valdosta is preparing to reopen after taking some time off for refurbishment. Click on the photos at left to see work on the park going on. ------------ Copyright =A9 2005 South Georgia Media Group Associated Press content =A9 2008 From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Feb 15 14:18:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74408 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 22:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 22:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 22:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-225-18.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.225.18] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JQ8t3-0003WQ-Dc for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: <47B60F0F.2000005@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:15:43 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fb5088d70c8a068c651d1c7bb4ad67cc7959c2e7345438cb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Get herpes or HPV? See who have STD in your area. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=eMlHAyUs2Jm_qh59l49S-lSDHwM7yTLGoRtrikJ7-8YAJCk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > > > I'm glad you have a good humor about this. > The "Member" has been put on report. I'll leave it to George to see if > they get bounced or not. > Oh yeah, you knew this turkey was getting reported to Yahoo and banned. Bye bye, enjoy your std and keep it to yourself. k'thanks bybynow. George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 22:55:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6058 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 06:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 06:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 06:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 06:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 06:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 06:54:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:54:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Day of Fun at Theme Park Turns Into a Tragedy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Xs-Udp7bozS2shWl7RQCzybbxZyTUdIa_zqMrTEI5iCyZfo5tg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Wait. He was riding a train that had seat belts, fell out, and was hit=20 by ANOTHER train?=20 I'm thinking there's a mistranslation and this isn't park trains, but=20 something else. Maybe a mouse, wildcat/galaxi or monorail type ride? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 14 February 2008 (07 Safar 1429) > Arab News > By Lulwa Shalhoub >=20 > JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA -=97 A day of fun at a Jeddah theme park turned > into a bloody scene when a 3-y.o. boy died after a train ran over him. >=20 > The boy was riding the train at Atallah Park on Jeddah's Corniche when > his seat belt came loose. He fell out and was run over by another > train. Civil Defense rescuers took the boy to a nearby hospital where > he died. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 07:24:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32842 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 15:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 15:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 15:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:24:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:24:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: RollerCoaster Tycoon Creator Settles Lawsuit With Atari X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=b3y5Pz8PztP5r8iP9oHcSmXnS53fxrzqhJX_R1_Y59Swz2U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 05, 2008 IGN Entertainment http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/36518/RollerCoaster-Tycoon-Creator-Settle= s-Lawsuit-With-Atari LONDON, UK -- Chris Sawyer was looking for royalties he claimed Atari owed him: An out of court settlement has brought to a close the legal battle Sawyer initiated in 2005 claiming that Atari had not paid some $4.8m in royalties. Previously, Sawyer alleged Atari had breached a licensing agreement by not allowing his auditors access to accounts from 1999 to 2001. Atari's revenue from Sawyer's games, including Transport Tycoon and 3 versions of RollerCoaster Tycoon, was at the time estimated at around $180 million of which Sawyer received about $30m - but he said the figure fell short of what was due. He said forensic accountants had discovered 13 instances of payments which were wrongly withheld. ------------- Copyright 1996-2007, IGN Entertainment, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 07:30:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18596 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 15:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 15:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 15:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:30:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:30:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Amusement park wins approval for indoor roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DVI1EKKan4yl1m1Z6Tya0_cahQJzSDtgzKp1_3s_OrJeg5s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 13, 2008 The Associated Press The Boston-Herald http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=3D1073= 228&srvc=3Dhome&position=3Drecent AGAWAM, MA -- Officials at Six Flags New England are hoping to open a new indoor roller coaster in time for the summer season. The Zoning Board of Appeals in Agawam has approved a height variance for the 70'-tall structure, which would exceed the city's 45' limit for business zones. The $7 million "Dark Knight Coaster" will have a Batman theme and operate almost entirely in the dark. A Six Flags spokeswoman says the park hopes to have it up and running by the Memorial Day weekend. ------------ =A9 Copyright 2008 Associated Press =A9 Copyright by the Boston Herald and Herald Media From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 07:33:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74707 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 15:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 15:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 15:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:33:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:33:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: SoCal roller coaster enthusiasts rev your engines X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JT64gihl7HOyW_8FuJBiQzEmWNxxsz1gnonAVUMrDG96MCo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 9, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1315 By Brady MacDonald BUENA VISTA, CA -- Knott's Berry Farm hosts the 9th annual Winter Coaster Solace on Saturday, March 8, while Six Flags Magic Mountain hosts the 5th annual West Coast Bash on Sunday, March 9. At Knott's in Buena Park, participants can ride on Silver Bullet, Sierra Sidewinder, GhostRider, Xcelerator, Supreme Scream and Montezooma's Revenge before the park opens. At Magic Mountain in Valencia, participants can ride Tatsu, Viper and Revolution before the park opens and Goliath, Scream and Colossus after the park closes. Both events include a behind-the-scenes tour of future attractions, lunch and a souvenir T-shirt. The Knott's event is limited to dues-paying members of American Coaster Enthusiasts (and other roller coaster clubs). Tickets are $25 for members who are also Knott's platinum annual passholders (non-passholders pay an additional $30 for park admission). Deadline to register: Feb. 15. The Magic Mountain event is limited to Theme Park Review members (and members of other roller coaster websites and clubs). Tickets are $20 for Magic Mountain annual passholders (non-passholders pay an additional $18.50 for park admission). Deadline to register: March 3. -------------- Copyright 2007 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 07:38:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9370 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 15:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 15:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 15:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 15:38:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:38:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland's Big Thunder Mountain goat missing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wMW1Zf6Rlwlf6GbdPCSlmiZgX9tj1_MMDpd3ANzmLyQJ0ug X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 14, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1338 By Brady MacDonald ANAHEIM, CA -- Missing since November, the beloved dynamite-chewing goat on the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad roller coaster is expected to wander back to his exposed butte in the next few weeks, according to Disneyland officials. The extended and unexplained disappearance fueled speculation on Internet chat rooms about the bleating goat's demise and led to more than a few instances of baa-baa-bad humor. Officially, the nameless, genderless goat is "on vacation." Unofficially, the audio-animatronic animal is getting a new fur coat in the Anaheim theme park's maintenance department after years of exposure to the wind, sun and rain. Disney fans fondly recall the legendary "goat trick" =97 where riders at the crest of the 2nd lift hill train their eyes on the goat throughout the subsequent sharp turn to greatly increase the sideways G-forces. My 7-y.o. daughter, Hannah, worries about the death-defying creature's fate as she waits impatiently for the "goat ride" (as she calls it) to return to its full and explosive glory. In the meantime, Hannah bides her time on the "a-bob-di-bull snowman" ride (a.k.a. Matterhorn Bobsleds roller coaster). -------------- Copyright 2007 Los Angeles Times From lance@screamscape.com Sat Feb 16 09:00:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24686 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 17:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 17:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta09.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 17:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta09.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D900408C4 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:00:24 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.47b39da6.16c276 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:00:24 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHtxao5KRjbgIAAAAB,fa1c06039a6d1c99dd7f73edd5e52879 Message-ID: <2A5DE5C77BAE4F229118C7BDBAFD3322@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:00:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SoCal roller coaster enthusiasts rev your engines X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=7xD6ETjD8tOOf8rV3lvuMFxXdW1EL_2RQuD6CAMXDJTeRMbAq6gDCxQFXA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>The Knott's event is limited to dues-paying members of American >>Coaster Enthusiasts (and other roller coaster clubs). I thought admission to the Winter Coaster Solace at Knott's was open to anyone now, but you only needed to have an ACE membership for whatever the "Exclusive in-park offers for ACE* member only" bit is. http://www.knotts.com/special_events/pdf/08WCS.pdf From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 18:15:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22076 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2008 02:15:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2008 02:15:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2008 02:15:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7653 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2008 02:15:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FyUXQ_AVM1lJ_KiF5F6yV67pWPLru6o_7ExZxX46Nl4XvAH_nft9FzaJaOMwO_Y1LVuVipK5pBd2.ZtCgF4pjOCjEj9sx_b3QYQ8meYlr_MM._x_ne7Lv8A7PMy1EqcprPxhe3cJb5lfmN30maZQrc4ouQ-- X-Received: from [72.70.239.123] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:15:03 PST Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:15:03 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1203179696.1435.44193.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <53215.4669.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: UPDATE: Amusement park wins approval for indoor roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=7mr9XryfeWwVla7gvN3batQ3eSobT5VnRbxrYfd1wyb28y3hmfIq X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But I wish it were a Ferris wheel or other family ride. Six Flags still hasn't shaken its big-ugly-metal-building phase yet, nor its teen-thrill-ride phase. :-( Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leekara26@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 07:24:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: leekara26@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71257 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:24:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 218.89.4.21 From: "leekara26" Subject: Get herpes or HPV? See who have STD in your area. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=333920777; y=BkoXHQxGuZ4MMrdjQQJfWeIwXAVXMj2qs24oPN8sWXpOf-5Y X-Yahoo-Profile: leekara26 You just need to create a free anonymous personal ad. Then you will be=20 able to search people who have STD from all over the world. =20 You can contact STD people, if you want to chat, share stories, make=20 friends or find lifetime match. =20 If you are interested, please click the following link to create ad: http://stdlove.zu5.net/ From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 08:03:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83095 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2008 16:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2008 16:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.132) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2008 16:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 16:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 16:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 16:03:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:03:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Get herpes or HPV? See who have STD in your area. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=HDnG_KDEmx2vFRO3YB69Uxk1pVnUNHnJQeZcJDdStvH5N0pIzA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Wow. An echo.=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "leekara26" =20 wrote: > > You just need to create a free anonymous personal ad. Then you will=20 be=20 > able to search people who have STD from all over the world. >=20=20 > You can contact STD people, if you want to chat, share stories, make=20 > friends or find lifetime match. >=20=20 > If you are interested, please click the following link to create ad: > http://stdlove.zu5.net/ > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 08:14:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55899 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2008 16:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2008 16:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2008 16:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 16:14:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 16:14:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:14:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Get herpes or HPV? See who have STD in your area. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2pbBGtsBsGi0xEKdUJzv2R_cqxzjjzUYBAzFuefekxaRAoM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 This seams to be a new tactic of "theirs". Join, wait a week, then hit us with crap. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Wow. An echo.=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "leekara26" =20 > wrote: > > > > You just need to create a free anonymous personal ad. Then you will=20 > be=20 > > able to search people who have STD from all over the world. > >=20=20 > > You can contact STD people, if you want to chat, share stories, make=20 > > friends or find lifetime match. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 08:22:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67165 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Appu Ghar closes down X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KopgYJRbKUvA8ESFDdRjDO5E1_k-6tnZszPXxXeN8SxOYFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 17 Feb 2008 The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Delhi/Appu_Ghar_the_family_entertainer_c= loses_down/articleshow/2789955.cms NEW DELHI, INDIA -- The next time you tell anyone about 'Appu Ghar', it will be in past tense. The popular amusement park in the Capital, which was the first of its kind in the country, closed down this evening after having entertained children and adults alike for 24 years. Curtains came down on the "family entertainer" as a large number of regulars came to Appu Ghar, drawn by nostalgia, to say their final goodbye. Some even hoped that a miracle would stop it from going away. The closure of the amusement park, the first 'Desi' version of Disneyland, was brought on by expiry of the land lease between the International Trade Promotion Organisation (ITPO) and the International Amusement Limited in 1999. The park area will now be used for extending the Supreme Court premises and some part of it has been allotted to Delhi Metro. There was a palpable sense of dejection among the visitors to the park. "I feel let down. I have been a regular in this place since childhood. As I have enjoyed coming to this place so much, I am sad that my future generations will not be able to enjoy the same," said Aparna Banerji, a media consultant. The closure of Appu Ghar held a different meaning for Sonia Sharma, a schoolteacher. "If my parents were happy with my performance in school, they would bring me here. All my childhood memories are attached with the place. I hope some miracle happens and it remains here," she said as she started off for her last ride on 'My Fair Lady'. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 Times Internet Limited From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Feb 17 11:26:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68626 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2008 19:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2008 19:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2008 19:26:11 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so2212203pye.12 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:26:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.182.11 with SMTP id j11mr3322252qbp.50.1203276369581; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:26:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.135.14 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:26:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0802171126k757f730ejf85628e8ffec050c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:26:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disneyland's Big Thunder Mountain goat missing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=UAw7bS4WOL7q-V9ktdFReC0SIaGLq864kcGRW2SWdG66VPRyDA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, that's not very "family friendly". :-D I kid, I kid... Josh On Feb 16, 2008 10:38 AM, Alan wrote: > expected > to wander back to his *exposed butte *in the next few weeks > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 17:18:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29275 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 01:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 01:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 01:18:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32049 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2008 01:18:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i15gLvQVM1lycjC3wbEGthHzj7KesRytKGcvz7KuUQbm4thVO6awRywlOnNNL1Kyj5xXxqIrYSQ.UgvBWUnw1TOpTJ8gbmIR.L4C_kjL.bQkMh4slWOq X-Received: from [72.70.239.123] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:18:55 PST Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:18:55 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <722518.31646.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Human nature X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-a0h9blfSZveQPH-3FWNFyXp-HsF-MpfNmeM-bya1hPVb_wBalRK X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "You don't really understand human nature unless you know why a child on a merry-go-round will wave at his parents every time around -- and why his parents will always wave back." --- William D. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 06:39:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84402 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 14:39:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 14:39:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 14:39:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:39:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:39:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:39:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:39:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Lotte World Hotel Gangnam opens Character Rooms X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FJ79bfOJxnP75is6Ma8U2pICYQ8kO_KvragtE-CEAGAJw-k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 18 February 2008 Asia Travel Tips http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news08/182-LotteHotel.shtml SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA -- WorldHotels Deluxe Collection member Lotte Hotel World Gangnam has launched fairytale rooms themed after characters at the neighboring Lotte World theme park (LW). In the newly renovated hotel, 30 new rooms incorporate designs featuring LW's most popular characters, Lotty and Lorry. The rooms occupying the 7th & 8th floors target families with children, and also include PlayStations, along with LW character cups, toothbrush and toothpaste sets. Rates are KRW 420,000 for Character Twin and Family Twin rooms, and KRW 550,000 for Character Suites. LW is one of the largest indoor amusement parks in the world, linked by monorail to Lotte Hotel World Gangnam, shopping malls, sports facilities, cinemas and a Korean folk museum. LW is newly revitalised following a KRW 65 billion renovation introducing "Lotte World Season 2" with new family-friendly attractions and entertainment including a musical, Finding the Golden Pyramid, The Galactic Odyssey laser-multimedia show, interactive shooting game and a 3D horror theater. Kim Seung-Hwan, Executive Director, who led the LW Renewal Task Force, said, "2 years before its 20th anniversary, LW has been reborn as a funnier and more pleasant theme park - a true place for family entertainment." In the heart of the city's newest commercial precinct "Gangnam-Songpa," Lotte Hotel World Gangnam is a state-of-the-art hotel that features comprehensive business, entertainment and shopping - all under one roof. It is one block from COEX and the indoor theme park. The hotel has a total of 469 guest rooms spread over 32 floors with 2 ballrooms and 7 meeting rooms. ------------ =A9 Copyright 1998 - 2008 - ASIA Travel Tips.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 06:49:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18796 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 14:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 14:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.146) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 14:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:49:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:49:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Teacher integrates amusement into math X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zq16nu0UcuX6VpaB6ZvMzTad-p8lH37twSqwWVfMViW0N00 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 17, 2008 The Meadville Tribune http://www.meadvilletribune.com/local/local_story_048180917.html By Penni Schaefer MEADVILLE, PA -- "One day it occurred to me just how appealing amusement parks are to kids," said Michael Cain, stirring sugar into his coffee mug. "And so I got the idea that maybe by incorporating that kind of atmosphere into a math book, it might be possible to break down the schism of math and give teachers fun, real-world applications to use in the classroom." Cain's 7th and most recent book, "Amusement Park Math," does exactly that. The book begins with a group of out-of-work carnival workers who begin their search for a new venue in which to perform. Their truck runs out of gas and they are met by a local farmer who offers them a place to stay in exchange for helping him on his farm. The cast of characters, which includes General Thumb and Zambul the Strongman, soon learns that the local amusement park is in dire financial straits. Through an interesting storyline, Cain, a math teacher at Meadville Area Senior High School, designed the book to build students' problem-solving skills and diminish their math fears. "The much-maligned `story problem' often causes students to become anxious," Cain said. "This book works to get rid of math's `bad rap' by engaging students from the very beginning and then continually builds on the success that they achieved throughout." In addition to writing "Amusement Park Math," Cain, an accomplished artist, illustrated it. His artwork loosely incorporates many of the amusement park rides and buildings of Conneaut Lake Park, all of which he recalls from his own childhood. "I grew up in Pittsburgh, but I remember coming to the park with my parents," he said. "So it was easy to merge the fun and familiar experiences that I had as a child with math." In addition to the physical aspects of the park, Cain decided to incorporate the recent financial plight of the park into the storyline. In the section that deals with addition, for example, Cain develops students' math skills by using commonly understood concepts such as income and expenses. "Through story problems, students calculate how much money a group of carnival workers earned in 1 week at Modest Lake Amusement Park by adding up their daily wages over a 7-day period," Cain said. The characters become interconnected throughout the book. Children solve a variety of math problems relative to bankers, farmers, clowns and even human cannonballs at Modest Lake. The book also reveals that, as in real life, characters sometimes have varied and even competing personal interests. And like Conneaut Lake, Cain's make-believe park faces many financial challenges, including a host of renovations needed before it can reopen. Students are asked to round costs and then list them from least to greatest. In Cain's book, published by Prufrock, the community of characters works together to find resolutions to the park's problems. This, unfortunately, may be what separates make-believe Modest Lake from the reality of Conneaut Lake Park. "My book about Modest Lake is based on a perfect world in which everyone works together to build something that honors the past and embraces the future," he said. "In doing so, it ends up being a win-win situation for all." ----------- =A9 2005, The Meadville Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 06:56:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88492 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 14:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 14:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 14:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 14:56:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:56:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Roller coaster coming to Kochville Township X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=89H2xqHCdQh-1zv6wIMXAznBvqjVBHHFeeS_7ZyLTd3P5s4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 18, 2008 The Saginaw News Michigan Live http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2008/02/roller_coaster_coming_to_ko= chv.html by Andy Hoag SAGINAW, MI -- The Serpent is coming to Saginaw County. Kokomo's Family Fun Center, 520 Kokomo off Tittabawassee in Kochville Township, is adding the 45'-high "Serpent" roller coaster. Its track will measure 1,919'-long. The coaster will cost the company about $250,000, said owner Hal Shilling, much of the expense coming from sandblasting and painting that Kokomos workers are performing. "Brand new, this would run for about $1 million, so we're getting a good deal," he said. Shilling estimated that workers have placed about 65 jack stands -- supports for the track -- in the ground thus far, and that the structure so far is 30'-high. It is west of Kokomos' golf dome and north of the batting cages. He is aiming for a May or June opening for the nearly 2-minute ride. The ride features 2 cars per train. Riders are arranged 2 across in 2 rows, for a total of 8 riders per train. The coaster is slightly shorter than and half the height of Cedar Point's Blue Streak. The Zyklon, at the Saginaw County Fairgrounds at 11350 Peet in Chesaning, stands 60'-tall. The Roller Coaster Database shows the Serpent opened in 1987 at a Paducah, KY, amusement park under the name "Galaxy" before owners at an Ohio park bought it and gave it its present moniker. The Ohio park, LeSourdsville Lake Amusement Park in the city of Middletown, closed 5 years ago, Shilling said. The Serpent sat idle there until October, when it took Kokomo's crews 2 weeks to tear it down and 7 tractor-trailer truckloads to bring it here. Shilling said he likely will charge customers $6 to ride. He plans to include the ride as part of the Kokomo's attraction wristband next year. ------------------ =A9 2008 Michigan Live LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 07:02:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80259 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 15:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 15:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 15:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:02:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:02:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Ripley's amusement park at Bangalore by April X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EfVuGsk27AMb5nnJBEwSXzQQHgSZ7cG3sU79rY19ScVGk4g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 17, 2008 Deccan Herald http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Feb172008/city2008021752813.asp?section= =3Dupdatenews BANGLORE, KARNATAKA, INDIA -- Ripley Entertainment Inc. along with Prasad Labs (PL) will set up an amusement park at Bangalore on a franchisee basis with an investment of USD 4 million. "We are setting up a joint venture with PL for an amusement park at Bangalore, which includes Ripley's Incredible Maze and Believe It or Not Museum, Luis Tussaud's Wax Works (similar to Madame Tussaud's museum) and Guinness World Record Museum," Chairman of Ripley Entertainment Inc, Bob Masterson, said here. The museum would be spread over 12,000 sq-ft near Bangalore and would open in April this year. "We have made an investment of over USD 1 million and our joint venture partner PL is pumping in USD 3 million to develop this park," Masterson added. The Rs 4,000 crore Indian amusement and leisure industry is expecting fresh investments of Rs 10,000 crore by FY'20 with 500 new amusement parks coming up during that period. "In India, major developments will be seen in next 5 years when many international parks will come via franchise or direct investment," Indian Association of Amusement Parks and Industries (IAAPI) President VGP Ravidas said. Disney is also evaluating India for its theme parks, Ravidas said adding "the investments would be high. To set one Universal Studio (similar to Orlando in USA), the investment required is around USD 1 billion, Ravidas said. The Amusement industry, is estimated to grow by 10-12% per annum till FY'10, Ravidas added. IAAPI has asked the government to reduce entertainment tax and confer industry status to the amusement industry, making it a part of the tourism department, Ravidas said. -------------- Copyright 2007, The Printers (Mysore) Private Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 07:10:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1989 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 15:10:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 15:10:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.103) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 15:10:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:10:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:10:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: HISTORY: Long Lost Portable Parker X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KU7YefKfuh8PppVe8D5JiYhLoXoAaXTZTWyq-H4pl1m2Fnk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 17 February 2008 The Carousel News & Trader http://carouselnews.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D275= &Itemid=3D66 By Leah Farnsworth TULSA, OK -- In March l983, the National Carousel Association published a 50-page census of the known carousels in the U.S. and Canada. Our members were asked to send photos and updates on the carousels that had been moved or broken up. I began an update on Wisconsin and Oklahoma. A friend in Oklahoma called me to ask if I knew about a large, beautiful carousel somewhere near Tulsa. When my husband Pete & I drove from Wisconsin to California for the fall 1984 convention, we made a side trip to Tulsa. We stopped at a gas station on the edge of town and received directions to Bell's Amusement Park. When we arrived, the park was closed for the season, but the rides had not been taken down. They allowed us a lot of time to meet with the carousel's owner, Jack Johnson, and to photograph his rare and beautiful carousel. Jack explained that this was the first portable carousel with 4 rows of jumping horses that was made by C.W. Parker. It was built in Leavenworth, KS, in l917. It was also the last known of this type to still be operating. Jack's father, the late James E. Johnson, had purchased this carousel in l940 for Playland Park in San Antonio, TX. After his death and the park closing in l980, Jack moved it to Tulsa in l981. Only the roller coaster remained at Playland. Jack just happend to be at the park because the carousel was going to be moved back to San Antonio when they finished taking it down. While photographing, we noticed that 2 of the outside row positions were filled with a fiberglass bull, and an English C.J. Spooner double-seater horse. The outside row of small stationary horses in front of the bench seat, (where parents can sit and watch their youngest riders), had been replaced with a small elephant which did not have a pole to hold on to. Many rows of horses carried a theme, from the largest to the smallest, and were all painted to match.=20 Other rows had the fancy outside row horse in the 2nd row. The outside row horses were the largest Parkers I had ever seen. Most of the 2nd row figures were more elaborate than the outer rows on other Parker carousels. The carousel was clean and the horses and trim were well painted. Several of these photos are in the Parker section, the time line, and the carousel directory sections of Painted Ponies by Bill Manns, Peggy Shank and Marianne Stevens. Since a new location to set up the carousel had not been found, it remained in storage until 1988. With carousel prices rising, and nowhere to operate, this beautiful merry-go-round was offered for sale at auction. On Feb. 13, 1988, in San Antonio, TX, the 52 horses, scenery, and mechanism were offered individually, then as a whole carousel. The carousel could not lure a bid to match the individual figures and the rare 4-row portable machine was broken up. Then 2 other groups of=20 Parkers were sold individually. 24 horses were from a 2-row carousel, which had operated at Joyland Amusement Park in Lubbock, TX. 28 horses came from the Wonderland Amusement Park in Amarillo, TX. Each of the parks had replaced their old horses with new fiberglass horses from Chance Manufacturing Company.=20=20 104 C.W. Parker horses went to new homes that day. ------------ =A9 2008 Carousel News and Trader Magazine From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 07:20:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61444 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 15:20:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 15:20:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 15:20:33 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:20:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:20:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:20:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: WB to Build $4 Bil. Theme Park in Korea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=phCa3L8N6oxeGK1FloUTDlpAulSEHvLAYfhDduNNRAgW1_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 15, 2008 The Chosun Ilbo http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200802/200802150008.html MISARI, HANAMSI, GYEONGGI-DO, SOUTH KOREA -- Warner Bros. (WB), a major American movie studio, has decided to invest US$4 billion to build a theme park in the Misari area of Hanam, Gyeonggi Province, a key member of the presidential Transition Committee said on Thursday. This committee member said that WB chairman Barry M. Meyer and executive VP John Schulman are expected to attend the inauguration ceremony of president-elect Lee Myung-bak on Feb. 25. The executives are visiting Seoul to sign a letter of intent to build the WB Theme Park on a 3.63 million sq.m lot in Misari, the committee member said. They are expected to sign the letter of intent for a $4 billion investment around Feb. 26 or 27 after consulting with the Gyeonggi provincial government, the Ministry of Construction and Transportation, and the Ministry of Culture and Tourism. WB joins several other developers with plans to build theme parks in locations around the Seoul metropolitan area over the next few years. Universal Studios, another major American movie company, signed a memorandum of understanding late last year to build a giant theme park in Hwaseong, Gyeonggi Province for W2.9 trillion (US$1=3DW945) by 2012. Paramount Pictures signed a contract to build a movie theme park in Songdo International City in Incheon with a view to opening in 2010. When president-elect Lee was mayor of Seoul, the Walt Disney Co. looked into building an amusement park on the site of Seoul Land or Seoul Grand Park in Gwacheon, Gyeonggi Province. That plan is still pending due to a legal battle over the land lease. ------------------ Copyright (c) 2007 The Chosun Ilbo & Digital Chosun Ilbo From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 07:26:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55871 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 15:26:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:26:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Ocean Park to invest Rs 25 crore in Vizag X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5LOyisczPcOg5WkpAKs3G_uSJa9sl0DcKh2wP38hYpwaOjU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 13, 2008 Business Standard http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?leftnm=3Dlmnu1&sub= Left=3D1&autono=3D313491&tab=3Dr VIASKHAPATNAM, ANDHRA PRADESH, INDIA -- Hyderabad-based the Ocean Park Group (OP) is investing Rs 25 crore in its projects coming up at Visakhapatnam. =20 The Rs 1,000-crore group is setting up a film studio on 63 acre and an amusement park, including sea sports, on 15 acres besides a 100-room hotel to accommodate film personalities at Jeerupalem, about 70 km from Visakhapatnam. "We have acquired 150 acres of land at Jeerupalem to set up a studio and an amusement park. The group is investing Rs 25 crore in these 2 projects excluding the land cost," Jupudi Lakshmi Narayana, executive director, OP Multitech Limited, told the media here on Tuesday. =20 The 2 projects would be ready in a year. This apart, OP is developing beach farm houses and farm plots on 73 acres. =20 In the 2nd phase, the group is planning to develop a golf city on 150 acre at the Denkada village near Bhogapuram, he said. ------------- Copyright 2008 Business Standard Ltd. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 09:42:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41347 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 17:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 17:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 17:42:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 17:42:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 17:42:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 17:42:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:42:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.239.123 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TECH: Well Rounded Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=0uxwg9VzW_NPDBM6f0VUjfDatLXz2peWi5PvdXavvtvGxutrQuxH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Popular Mechanics' current issue has an article about modern Ferris wheels, the largest of which is currently under construction in China. I've posted the article here: Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 11:13:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28221 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 19:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 19:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 19:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 19:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 19:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2008 19:13:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:13:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TECH: Well Rounded Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=tKs1hRKWtpZqsyY0xB9ivkwksOmYGoLTt8XQGxNKTRF_4afnvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > Popular Mechanics' current issue has an article about modern Ferris > wheels, the largest of which is currently under construction in China. > I've posted the article here: >=20 > >=20 > Jay > That was briefly a front page article on Yahoo! as well, Jay.=20 Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 12:56:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13545 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2008 20:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2008 20:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2008 20:56:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95906 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2008 20:56:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XbKAPiwVM1mE1jdsq7o46M7RpoqczAxpV1Fxw5kn2E2IkmJ830kOh8914woS.Ny_FLz0WnhWtSOq4QnITSd4bcrKIQanTBmZOCdYqwf4kEy.yDdt9QY- X-Received: from [72.70.239.123] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:56:18 PST Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:56:18 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <739357.74139.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Another carousel goes on the block X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=cX6HC-Bo0QzrjmusUDFDF6ln6dIJspRk60DsApsbhl_fsbA4_Rrp X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After 93 years of ownership, the Wintersteens (of Florida) are handing over their Looff/Mangels carousel to Norton. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 07:21:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44473 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2008 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2008 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:21:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:21:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sega, Emaar Malls sign theme park agreement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=o6xXtxlGVZ0xuqlWTb9VgD-_kz__VAiT6SRTeFSLg8VZb1k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 19th February 2008 InterGame http://www.intergameonline.com/intergame/news/870/sega-emaar-malls-sign-the= me-park-agreement/ By Helen Fletcher DUBAI, UAE -- Video game manufacturer Sega and properties firm Emaar Malls Group have started development plans to open a number of indoor theme park across the Middle East and North Africa. The venues will be branded up as Sega Joypolis and will include indoor roller coasters, mid-scale attractions and various amusement machines. The first venue will be located in the Dubai Mall and is on track to open at the end of the year. -------------- =A9 2008 InterGame Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 07:26:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61900 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 15:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2008 15:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2008 15:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:26:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:26:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Developer Awaiting Permits For Ohio County Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qxpCeUSZWmsMXNUBC1sUHn0bx9A55l60hXoxBDE3zSXmeqI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 18, 2008 WTOV-9 http://www.wtov9.com/news/15334896/detail.html By Renee Cardelli & Jasmine Lo TRIADELPHIA, WV -- Officials said permits for an Ohio County theme park could be here any day. Steve Minard, project developer for the Wild Escape Theme Park, said he is awaiting public comments that the Army Corps is currently gathering. The comment period ended on Feb. 1, but Minard said the corps is likely accepting responses sent in after that date. The corps will let the developer and the county know of any issues that agencies like the EPA and the Fish and Wildlife Service may have with the mitigation plans. The plans show how the developer will reduce the impact on the environment. Minard said they have also submitted detailed mitigation plans to the corps, which is separate from the plans about which the corps is currently collecting comments. He said completing those detailed plans is a good sign of the project's progress. "It's a much higher level of detail. It's almost like the architect's work for a building," he said. ------------ Copyright 2008 by wtov9 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 07:37:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2723 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 15:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2008 15:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2008 15:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:37:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:37:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: 3-Y.O.'s Fatal Death Train Ride Was 'Murder' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-5FQuFPuG3SQGS4qWf6tr2nr02t8QsYIIB_Zj_eG4jOgxsg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 17, 2008 Arab News http://www.arabnews.com/?page=3D1§ion=3D0&article=3D106908&d=3D18&m=3D2= &y=3D2008&pix=3Dkingdom.jpg&category=3DKingdom By Lulwa Shalhoub JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA -=97 For little Abdullah, a ride on the "Death Train" at the Atallah Theme Park on Tuesday proved to be just that. The 3-y.o. got electrocuted and died instantaneously when his seatbelt got inadvertently unbuckled and he fell off the train. A crowd of hundreds watched helplessly as the train chugged back to run over Abdullah, who was electrocuted as soon as he fell on the tracks. "It was nothing short of premeditated murder," alleged Faisal Al-Marwani, Abdullah's uncle. Among others, he claimed that the ride was not authorized by the Civil Defense Department, according to a report, he said, the theme park received from the department a day before the accident. Al-Marwani promised to produce a copy of the same to Arab News. But that's not all. Al-Marwani wondered why Abdullah, who was just 3, was allowed on the ride that clearly mentioned it was not suitable for children under 5. "No one asked his aunt or his mother, who were accompanying Abdullah, about the child's age," Al-Marwani said. "As long as the theme park's visitors pay for the rides, the officials are only too happy to let children play wherever they want =97 without checking safety procedures or ensuring that children are following recommended age and height limits. Are human lives that cheap for them?" Al-Marwani, who rushed to the site after the incident and accompanied Abdullah in the ambulance to the hospital, said he was also shocked by the theme park's apparent apathy to the incident. Forget any consolation, Al-Marwani said, theme park officials had not even bothered to apologize for the incident. According to Al-Marwani, the only call the family received after Abdullah's death was from a representative of the theme park, who blamed the child for unfastening his belt that led to his demise. Al-Marwani questioned how the official could say so with conviction considering he was not present on the spot as Tuesday is a women-only day. Apparently, those who visited the theme park the day subsequent to the accident said all rides were operating as usual except for the "Death Train". "This is very insensitive of the theme park. How could they welcome visitors, mostly children, before fully investigating the reason behind the accident?" asked Ola Walid, 24. "It is a shame that concerned authorities took the whole thing so lightly and did not respond to the accident in a proper way," added Samia Hassan, a 43-y.o. mother. Al-Marwani said that, after his nephew's death, he had now taken it upon himself to see that other children did not lose their lives due to the negligence of officials at theme parks. "We will not take this lightly," Al-Marwani said, adding that theme parks here should take a leaf out of their counterparts abroad, who are very strict when it comes to ensuring children's safety. "They are inflexible with the age limit of people who go on rides. Also, electronic belts cannot be unfastened except by the ride's supervisor." At the time of going to press, Arab News had not received any response from the Jeddah police stating how the investigation was progressing. ------------- Copyright: Arab News =A9 2003 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 07:46:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75908 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 15:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2008 15:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2008 15:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:46:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:46:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: NextSport to Partner with Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hB8l5CmBFeC5wJ-M9VmHz2gQypQUgkE2r67r0S6f08vzhbE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 17, 2008 Business Wire http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=3Dnews_v= iew&newsId=3D20080217005041&newsLang=3Den EMERYVILLE, CA -- NextSport (NS), the creator and manufacturer of the popular line of Fuzion performance scooters, announced today, that it has entered into a multi-year partnership with Six Flags Theme Parks (6F) to create in-park Fuzion Scooter Riding Zones with the first Fuzion Zone to be unveiled in Spring 2008 at 6F Discovery Kingdom in Vallejo, CAa. "As all things related to board sports continue to gain popularity, a partnership with 6F is a natural fit to create an engaging consumer experience with our young brand as we share the same consumer audience that seeks a safe, yet exhilarating experience," commented Ed Dua, President of NS. "The Fuzion Scooter Riding Zones will introduce a large audience of kids all over the country to the great new ride of the Fuzion performance scooter." The Fuzion Zones will provide 6F's park guests the exciting opportunity to ride a Fuzion scooter in a custom designed and fully supervised Fuzion skate park. The Fuzion skate park will feature basic riding zones and a variety of different ramp and jump configurations to accommodate all levels of riders. Park guests will be trained and supervised by Fuzion trained park staff and a team of Fuzion riders to help facilitate a safe and fun experience for everyone. Additionally, Fuzion Zone participants and observers alike will have the opportunity to watch members of the national Fuzion Pro Team demonstrate their skills during Fuzion exhibitions, followed by meet and greet sessions and autograph signings. And, eager and aspiring Fuzion Zone riders will be given the unique opportunity to win prizes and sign up to be a member of Team Fuzion. "The creation of the onsite Fuzion Zone is another example of the powerful experiential marketing offerings available in our parks," said David McKillips, VP of Corporate Alliances for 6F. "This partnership allows Fuzion to market its product directly to our guests and get invaluable 1-on-1 face time with their key customers." 6F will utilize their in-park signage programs, print and online promotions and radio and TV advertisements to showcase the park's Fuzion Zones. About NS Inc. Founded in 2004, NS designs, develops, and manufactures innovative action sports products. The company's flagship product line, the Fuzion performance scooter is sold in a wide range of sporting good, specialty and mass retailers. NS is a privately owned company based in Emeryville, CA. For more information about NS Inc. and Fuzion scooters please visit www.nextsport.com. -------------- =A92008 Business Wire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 07:54:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36719 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 15:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2008 15:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2008 15:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2008 15:54:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:54:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: $1.3 bln theme park for Vung Tau X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gatz0CuSY9kT885laLta1Rq7deHoM5ieHIeH-LtkdJ-eg9I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 16, 2008 Thanh Nien News http://www.thanhniennews.com/business/?catid=3D2&newsid=3D35773 by Duc Lien BA' RIA, VUNG TA'U PROVINCE, VIETNAM. -- The administration of Ba Ria, Vung Tau Province Friday granted an investment license to the Good Choice USA Vietnam Co. Ltd., for a US$1.3 billion-theme park - Vietnam's largest tourism and entertainment project. The Vung Tau Wonderful Theme Park will cover 155 hectares in Vung Tau Town. The park will include a 5-star hotel with 2,500 rooms, four luxury hotels, an international conference center, shopping malls, 3D cinemas and open-air stages. It is due for completion by 2010. On the same day, 7 local and foreign investors received licenses for projects worth $200 million. ------------ Copyright 2008 Thanh Nien Daily From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 15:30:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37799 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 23:30:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2008 23:30:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2008 23:30:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96499 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2008 23:30:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fjj82ukVM1mQ_HFleoB_Rrbqw.0VipFJsscEiI574FjTHP5J4f_j3RI4psgXBTT5bjgOZllBOPQjh2JDZV4QEavou5JC1A2cB.PzM8YVEmCZ_JOlbebDVaxh4icGLdilWIlyGRaDz48sBQ-- X-Received: from [72.70.239.123] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:30:02 PST Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1203460984.2324.21019.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <938332.96172.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: PR: NextSport to Partner with Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WLkepQkwmktc2cTNFP9pNGe8NYuQv1KIiDQXYLgY-kHMckN6e397 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Fuzion skate park will feature basic riding zones and a variety of different ramp and jump configurations < *sigh* Shapiro just doesn't get it, does he? I can't see families of all ages lining up to sample skate parks (and probably for an up-charge). > Additionally, Fuzion Zone participants and observers alike will have the opportunity to watch members of the national Fuzion Pro Team demonstrate their skills during Fuzion exhibitions, followed by meet and greet sessions and autograph signings. < Are there any Tony Hawks of Fuzion scooters? I hadn't heard of the company till now. Why would I want an autograph from someone so obscure? Is there really that much momentum for this thing? It looks like either a poor man's Trikke or a skateboard with training wheels. (I have a Trikke which I ride regularly, BTW, and -- shameless plug -- it's a blast!) Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Feb 19 16:51:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24986 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2008 00:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2008 00:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2008 00:51:46 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so755607wfc.30 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:51:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr5961465wfb.60.1203468706221; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:51:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.191.12 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:51:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30802191651w48bd4272w5f5500521c8d7786@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:51:46 -0500 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: news: Indiana Beach sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=YdE8Dw6Ebp_OQhUB1ax90gw0pwYbuB7bmcPcteI_SH0rwQ2e X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons http://www.thehj.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=32&ArticleID=22881 Group purchases Indiana Beach For additional information, see tomorrow's Herald Journal Trent Wright Editor QUEENSBURY, New York - Morgan RV Resorts today announced the acquisition of Indiana Beach Amusement Resort in Monticello. The purchase includes the northwest Indiana resort's entire operations including the Indiana Beach Boardwalk and Funway amusement park and water park, Indiana Beach Camp Resort, Yogi Bear's Jellystone Park Camp-Resort at Indiana Beach, The Beach House Inn hotel and motel, Lakeview Penthouse Suites, cottages at The Beach Club Resort and Hoosier Pointe, the Shafer Queen paddle wheel boat, The Fun Zone, a lakefront sandy beach, the Skyroom Restaurant and multiple dining and retail operations. The resort complex will open for the 2008 season on May 3. Numerous improvements are planned for Indiana Beach Amusement Resort including the addition of the amusement park's sixth roller coaster, Steel Hawg. The new steel roller coaster, Indiana's first custom steel coaster, features multiple flips and inversions as well as a 120-degree first drop. Steel Hawg will be in great company, joining five other roller coasters at the park including the "Grandfather" of Indiana roller coasters, The Hoosier Hurricane. Also new for 2008 will be an extended operating season providing guests with more opportunities to enjoy the park's exciting rides. Morgan RV Resorts is the country's largest private owner and operator of RV parks and resorts. The company's collection of regional destination resorts provides clean, fun, affordable family vacation getaways offering multiple accommodation options, activities and events for all ages, playgrounds, swimming pools and entertainment. "We are thrilled to be welcoming this historic Indiana family destination to the Morgan RV Resorts family," said Bob Moser, co-owner of Morgan RV Resorts. "Superb hospitality and exiting destinations are hallmarks of every Morgan resort. Guests of Indiana Beach will continue to take pleasure in the quality experience they have come to love over the past eight decades and enjoy an ongoing commitment to improving the destination year after year." "This is an exciting time for Indiana Beach," said Tom Spackman Jr., grandson of park found, Earl Spackman. "With the recent upgrades to many of our accommodations, the forthcoming arrival of Steel Hawg and now the purchase by family-owned Morgan RV Resorts the future is brighter than ever. In the years to come, Indiana Beach is certain to remain the home for all the fun things you love to do." Guests can learn more about Morgan RV Resorts by visiting www.morganrvresorts.com and stay up to date on the latest happenings at Indiana Beach Amusement Resort at www.indianabeach.com. For more on this story, read tomorrow's Herald Journal. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 07:07:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40908 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2008 15:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2008 15:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2008 15:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2008 15:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2008 15:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2008 15:07:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:07:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Disneyland Paris promotes new ride online X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sJaDiGd4L9aIKAYYh10UyX1-7lea_VEwdK9umPwrSvI-qow X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 18.02.08 New Media Age http://www.nma.co.uk/Articles/36908/Disneyland+Paris+promotes+new+ride+onli= ne.html MARNE LA VALLE'E, ILE-DE-FRANCE, FR -- Disneyland Resort Paris (DLP) has launched a campaign site to promote the launch of its new ride, The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. Part of a through-the-line campaign for the April launch of the ride, www.disneytowerofterror.com allows users to upload photos that can then be manipulated to make them look like the subject has travelled to the 4th dimension. The site is supported by DLP's first viral campaign, as well as an online ad campaign. Federico Gonzalez, senior VP of marketing for DLP, said, "We know from experience in the US that Twilight Zone Tower of Terror appeals to older children, so we've designed this campaign to engage with 13-15-y.o's through media platforms that they engage with." The campaign is part of the resort's 15th anniversary celebrations. ------------ Copyright Centaur Media plc From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 08:09:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5421 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 16:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 16:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 16:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:09:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:09:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: $750M theme-park bonding bill moves ahead X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4A-LVsFaglcKBqSvEEk3b48cz-SH1fODjhVT4YGoMeq6aps X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 20, 2008 The Arizona Republic http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0220biz-themepark0221-ON.html By Ronald J. Hansen ELOY, AZ -- Despite concerns about seemingly endless tax breaks for a proposed rock and roll theme park in Pinal County, legislation intended to help finance the project cleared its first hurdle Wednesday. A bill to create a special district in Eloy that would enable backers of the Decades Music Theme Park to access up to $750 million in revenue bonds passed 5-2 in the Senate Commerce and Economic Development Committee. The district would repay the bonds using extra tax charges collected from park patrons, but the park's backers must first secure $100million of their own funding. Sen. Ken Cheuvront, D-Phoenix, was especially troubled that the bill seems to permanently exempt the park's owners from paying income and property taxes. The author of the bill, Sen. Thayer Verschoor, R-Gilbert, said that was not his intent and that he would be willing to rework the bill to clarify it. Still, "I've seen these projects come and go," Cheuvront said. "The precedent we're setting here is amazing. ... If this was a viable plan, they could go into the private markets and get financing." Sen. Pamela Gorman, R-Anthem, also rejected the suggestion that the Legislature could eventually correct inequities in the district. "I don't see the political fortitude to scrap this thing once it goes forward," she said. Sen. Barbara Leff, R-Paradise Valley and chair of the committee, shared some of the concerns, but suggested the bill could be clarified as it proceeds in the House or before a vote in the full Senate. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008, azcentral.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 08:16:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28393 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 16:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 16:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 16:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:16:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:16:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Work on '7 Wonders' theme park halted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aLTojpjIEhInBpErT7NXe0yKu5-WLA3gW3sfVa_Djk2vq5Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 02/21/08 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution http://www.ajc.com/services/content/business/stories/2008/02/20/dekresort_0= 221.html?cxtype=3Drss&cxsvc=3D7&cxcat=3D6 By Paul Donsky LITHONIA, GA -- A proposed "Seven Wonders of the World" (7WW) theme park, conference center and resort in south DeKalb County remains in limbo as developers continue to seek funding for the project. Meanwhile, the contractor preparing the site for construction has stopped work, claiming an outstanding bill of more than $6 million. David Miller, an attorney representing the 7WW's developers, disputed that figure and said the project, which first surfaced more than 2 years ago, remains on track. Miller said his clients, Atlanta-based Top Flight Development Group, have told him they are close to securing the next round of funding from a private investment group that would allow construction to begin. "They've been working on this for at least 6 months and are in the final stages," said Miller, speaking for Top Flight officials. Miller acknowledged that the contractor, Atlanta-based RACT Inc., may be owed some money, though he suggested it is far less than $6 million. The 1st phase of the project, Grand Empire Palace and Resort, is estimated to cost $675 million. RACT Inc. was hired to do grading work, erosion control and sewer work on the property, just north of I-20 in Lithonia. The company stopped work in December. The company's lawyer, Maureen McLeod, said she may soon file a lawsuit to recoup her client's money. The project, previously known as Grand Empire at Fun World, has had a troubled history. The developers ran into trouble in 2006 when, while operating as a different entity, they defaulted on a $6.3 million loan to purchase the initial site. The developers created a new company and refinanced. Plans for Grand Empire call for a 250,000-sq-ft amusement park, an indoor water park, hotel conference center, family arcade center, restaurants and shops. Developers say the project will have a theme based on the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World. Color sketches of what the project might look like were laid out on tables during a community meeting last fall, showing the indoor water park shaped like the Great Pyramid of Egypt and a theme park entrance shaped like a temple. Last September, developers announced plans to expand the project by purchasing an adjacent 65-acre tract, which they said would house a 9-hole golf course, retail shops, housing and an indoor theme park. The plans would require a zoning change. But it's not clear whether they've sought a rezoning. Top Flight's rezoning attorney, Michele Battle, declined to comment. ----------- Copyright=A9 2008 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 08:25:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94270 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 16:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 16:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 16:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:25:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:25:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE Report casts doubt on Pyramid plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Lo94iHC8qYMnQryMecX6t062BLhFZrKJv_9gMQIYglV72jc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 21, 2008 Commercial Appeal http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/21/report-casts-doubt-on-eric= son/ By David Williams MEMPHIS, TN -- The County Commission's economic development and tourism committee was told Wednesday that Memphian Greg Ericson's Pyramid theme-park plan is dogged by doubts about everything from his group's financial wherewithal to the slumping state of the theme-park industry. But having heard that report from city arena reuse manager Robert Lipscomb, commissioners decided to see for themselves. The county will perform its own study of the Ericson and Bass Pro Shops Pyramid proposals, including the economic impacts they offer. Also, Ericson and Bass Pro Shops will each be given an hour at an upcoming meeting for a presentation to commissioners. Commissioner Steve Mulroy, who has pushed for full consideration of the Ericson plan, said he'll be "astonished" if Bass Pro Shops officials show up. Officials of the Missouri-based outdoors retailer announced their store plan in February 2006 but have given few specifics since and have yet to commit to the project. A development agreement -- which requires city and county approval -- calls for another year of study and planning by the company. "We'll study the Ericson proposal side by side with the Bass Pro proposal," Mulroy said. "I personally think, from what I've seen so far, if you do that kind of fair, balanced study, everything seems to weigh in favor of the Ericson proposal. But I'll keep an open mind." Lipscomb, however, strongly pushed Bass Pro as the most viable option, citing reports from a national consultant and the work of the local committee formed in 2004 to study arena reuse. Lipscomb said Bass Pro Shops is a proven commodity whose financial wherewithal has been established. He cited a line of credit the company has with Bank of America and said Morgan Keegan and First Tennessee have financed Bass Pro Shops projects. "At the end of the day, it's about financial capabilities," he said. About the Ericson group, Lipscomb said, "Over the last 6 months we have tried over and over and over again to verify and validate the financial capability of these folks." He said the efforts ranged from credit checks to Google searches, adding, "We've called a number of banks and said, 'Can you give us some information on these folks, to see if they have the financial wherewithal to do what they say they're going to do?'" Ericson counters that he and his partners presented financial information to city and county finance officials in an hour-long meeting Jan. 22. Based on that meeting, county chief administrative officer Jim Huntzicker has said the Ericson plan "wouldn't just be a pipe dream. ... This group has actually performed in the past." But Lipscomb told commissioners he's seen no such proof. Ericson sat just feet away as Lipscomb spoke -- and later was given 7 minutes to respond. He took particular exception to Lipscomb's assertion that the theme park industry is struggling. "Magic Kingdom, 3% up. Disneyland, 1.2% up. Epcot, 5.5% up," said Ericson, citing attendance increases from the 2006 TEA/ERA theme park attendance report. He said the report for 2007 isn't complete, but that it was a "record year" for attendance and revenue. "The theme park industry is very strong, and it's growing," he said. As Ericson began speaking to commissioners, Lipscomb left the room. Ericson plan change Since late last year, Memphian Greg Ericson has proposed redeveloping The Pyramid and Mud Island River Park, vowing $250 million in private funding for a plan that would include shopping and hotels. But amid City Council questions about whether Mud Island should be included and with the county having an ownership stake only in The Pyramid and not Mud Island, Ericson has changed plans. He now proposes to redevelop The Pyramid in a standalone project with $150 million in private funding. But, he seeks a written commitment that the city would issue a request for proposals for Mud Island and pick a developer in 6 months. He said his group would respond to the request. ----------- =A9 2008 The E.W. Scripps Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 08:35:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83438 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 16:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 16:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 16:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 16:35:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:35:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Towers Hoists Sail on Ship for Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8gQBiN0vQDT3OB4NClUUofQ1s2H0tWMvZjWMw_IhGTana2w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 21 February 2008 The Sentinel http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=3D158315&comman= d=3DdisplayContent&sourceNode=3D158315&contentPK=3D19941301&folderPk=3D8765= 4 By Nicola Irwin ALTON, STAFFORDSHIRE, UK -- Theme park staff have been mastering the art of being a pirate in readiness for the opening of a new attraction. Alton Towers (AT) will unveil its =A36 million Mutiny Bay, when the park opens for the 2008 season on March 15. Yesterday, staff were put through their paces as they picked up top tips on how to be bona-fide buccaneers. Suitably qualified Mad Cap N Tom, the head of the UK chapter of Talk Like A Pirate Day, and an authority on all things pirate, took them through an hour-long seminar. The captain, aka Thomas Scott, of York, started the eerie talk in thick fog, as he summed up the perfect pirate accent - "a little bit Bristol, a little bit West Country, a little bit something else". "I have really enjoyed it. It's been fun," he said. "They picked it up and I think they will make great pirates." The 20-strong group mastered traditional pirate phrases such as "Ahoy me hearties", so they can adapt theme park instructions such as "Please keep you arms and legs in the boat" into pirate speak. Mutiny Bay is a family-friendly area boasting 3 rides. The flagship attraction is an actual ship, combined as a water ride in Battle Galleons. There's also Marauder's Mayhem, and Heave Ho. Yesterday's new recruits were also taught how to swagger like a drunken pirate, and dress in a way to do Blackbeard himself proud. Sabina Isovic, aged 32, is preparing for her 2nd season at AT. Canadian-born Sabina, who will be in joint charge of Mutiny Bay when AT opens next month, yesterday donned her eye patch and pirate hat. She said: "It's been really fun and exciting. There's been lots of attempts of 'Ahoy me hearties'. I think the new rides will be really popular." Also finding his sea legs yesterday was Mutiny Bay co-captain Simon Ratcliffe, aged 21, who has been working at the park for 4 years. He said: "It's been really fun. For the guys working on the rides it will be great to encourage them and get everyone joining in. "I think it's a great family area. It's what the park has been needing." Mad Cap N Tom was helped by 3 of Alton Towers' own pirates, who have been entertaining children at the hotel and park during half-term. Darren Beard, a family ride experience coach, who has worked at the park since September 1991, said: "It's been great fun learning to be pirates. I have learned to go 'yarr' convincingly. The park workers have done very well. They have lots of energy and enthusiasm so they are ready for March 15." Ben Sweet, aged 30, who is the park coach, and has worked there for 5 years, said: "It's been great fun, a fantastic day. The pirates are ready for Mutiny Bay." Carla Ballone, aged 25, who is preparing for her 2nd season at AT, said: "The training was really fun and unusual. It will be good doing it for real. I can't wait for it to open." Amy Hodgkinson, aged 25, who has worked at AT for 4 years, said: "The best bit was making the pirate noises. I loved it. It was definitely something different and really fun."=20 ------------- =A9 Staffordshire Sentinel News and Media Ltd From guineapic@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 12:38:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: guineapic@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89972 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 20:38:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 20:38:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 20:38:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 20:38:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 20:38:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2008 20:38:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:38:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 141.154.255.227 From: "Toni Picariello" Subject: Six Flags ordered to stop work on new roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103160671; y=tfyTefqUZ66oInoW7SzBLdlITWWXBwzhSXyN-a4iKDoYA97s X-Yahoo-Profile: guineapic Six Flags ordered to stop work on new roller coaster By Associated Press | Thursday, February 21, 2008 |=20=20 http://www.bostonherald.com=20=20=20 =20 AGAWAM - Agawam's building inspector has ordered Six Flags New England=20 to stop work on its new $7 million indoor roller coaster. Town officials say the park started construction before getting a=20 building permit and before it received permission last week to exceed=20 the area's 45-foot height limit. The 70-foot building will house the "Dark Knight" coaster, which will=20 have a Batman theme and operate almost entirely in the dark. A Six Flags spokeswoman says they hope to have it running by Memorial=20 Day weekend. She said they are working closely with Agawam officials and will meet=20 March 5 with state public safety officials to review the project. Article URL: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg? articleid=3D1075063=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 13:46:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92103 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 21:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 21:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 21:45:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24966 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2008 21:45:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: toe6pIkVM1k8o.nTquVQtA5JwWHZMwZqjhoNZMHB9Ppfw0sGNSnaUjSKSZlHC99253Cjvh6vcQEOrqyD8fgKf_Ruiqk9SyE.6ENWeaM3bH1phBebuLQksaMSZYoP0ObWqoeqGJ4XnXqL49ZySJvSHjQD X-Received: from [72.70.239.123] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:45:59 PST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:45:59 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1203536390.2359.76411.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <396945.24915.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: news: Indiana Beach sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Mcx43UK7xWginmO87qYvbdODcc2f_9OFZLnTNzFX3VPSfwrdNKlh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is really sad news. My God -- to an RV company!? What the heck do they know about running an amusement park? This is one of the best parks in the midwest with some great rides. I shudder to imagine what will eventually become of the place. A giant RV sales lot? Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Feb 21 13:51:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44511 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 21:51:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 21:51:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 21:51:12 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd1.29555703 (65097) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:50:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:50:38 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: news: Indiana Beach sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=CaExjuJYiVNQIUo54M4PHw0ypg9BAlPeOzetQgb4KUzfdbAkVA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/2008 4:46:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jay_ducharme@yahoo.com writes: I shudder to imagine what will eventually become of the place. A giant RV sales lot? That's what actually happened to Lesourdsville Lake. It was bought by an RV Dealer, and it ran one season with him, and it became just an RV lot. The park is now gone with an SBNO defunct wooden coaster rotting away there! Lets hope Indiana Beach doesn't become like that! Brian **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. 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Six Flags forgot to get a building permit.... Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 21 14:10:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85460 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 22:10:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 22:10:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.232) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 22:10:38 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so293573wra.13 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:10:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.2.19 with SMTP id e19mr7077365rvi.221.1203631837689; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:10:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:10:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:10:37 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <134039.39374.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <134039.39374.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags coaster held up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fyUz6XinoPsPHrXQQmKF_acaQJ2bmTXz0WIMsYw-96UDoAKlHIMMk9w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Ooooops! Six Flags forgot to get a building permit.... If you read the article, it's not that they forgot...it's that they begin construction before they had secured the permit. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Feb 21 14:30:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79300 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 22:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 22:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 22:30:34 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so45915ana.111 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:30:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.163.8 with SMTP id l8mr21188120ane.78.1203633033520; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:30:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [69.140.249.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm540232agc.32.2008.02.21.14.30.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:30:31 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:30:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Ach01pkSaSSGZsXHRTm8IyGHCFDpSwAAqWEg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47bdfb87.22035a0a.2662.58ad@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: Six Flags coaster held up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=lnfRIckmTvvBH6jbnhD9uI1lP0XSsm2-b14536Zau2Ye4As X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "If you read the article, it's not that they forgot...it's that they begin construction before they had secured the permit." Which is actually not out of the ordinary in the industry. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu Feb 21 18:06:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3140 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 02:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2008 02:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta09.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 02:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta09.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B1640259 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:06:47 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47bdbd20.3176b for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:06:46 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHvi424zBQDgIAAAAB,f1137dd1b80e42ccdba2a2176d706e7c Message-ID: <9B22CB13EFCD4D269F152DF04E04B709@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <47bdfb87.22035a0a.2662.58ad@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <47bdfb87.22035a0a.2662.58ad@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:06:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Six Flags coaster held up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=0pL9LZT-s1ESva89UvoWMiRtV1snXGOBpGKirXYggDfFuG6Fk9d4O6e4HA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I never saw the site myself, I had heard that they did clear and prep the site before getting permission, but I'm not sure if that's illegal or not since they didn't start to "build" anything yet. And from my fuzzy memory, this isn't the first time they've had this issue at SFNE in the past either. I seem to recall pieces for more than one more ride showing up months in advance of the park ever getting permission to build it. Seems they're a little on the "Sloooooooooooooow" side in that area. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Sandy To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Six Flags coaster held up "If you read the article, it's not that they forgot...it's that they begin construction before they had secured the permit." Which is actually not out of the ordinary in the industry. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robbalvey@aol.com Fri Feb 22 00:06:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robbalvey@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9791 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 08:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2008 08:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 08:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 08:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 08:06:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:06:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.234.221.96 From: "Just some dude" Subject: Six Flags Mark Shapiro Interview & X2 Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1955480; y=sb9vgn_JoEFjnnu3_tC1xj2Uoq7QnmjHvgr-ow1w25oqCqFJ X-Yahoo-Profile: robbalvey Since this group seems to discuss a lot of industry related topics,=20 I thought you all might be interested in this -=20 Today Theme Park Review was invited to come have a chat with Six=20 Flags President and CEO Mark Shapiro as well as check out the first=20 completed X2 train.=20 A lot of questions were asked, and I think you'll be very pleased=20 with some of the answers! Be sure to listen to the interview. There=20 is a link to it at the bottom of the update. It's in MP3 format and=20 you can either stream it or download it once you click the link. As for some of the bullet points that were discussed outside of the=20 audio portion of the interview, here you go:=20 TPR: When asked about taking out older rides -=20 Mark Shaprio: "It's about taking out what's not working. The old=20 philosophy would just let rides sit there and rot. We are going to=20 go through our park and clean them out. We have a master plan. You=20 might not see an immediate exchange, but in time we will fill out=20 the park."=20 TPR: When asked about 2009 at Six Flags Magic Mountain -=20 Mark Shaprio: "We are looking into a new coaster for 2009. Can I say=20 anymore? No. We're also looking into Wiggle's World. "=20 TPR: What kinds of rides do you like?=20 Mark Shaprio: "I like big drops, but I'll be honest, I don't like to=20 go upside down. Goliath is my favorite ride at Six Flags Magic=20 Mountain."=20 TPR: Thomas Town looks like it will be well themed, you are adding=20 new theming to X2, can we expect this level of theming with up=20 coming attractions?=20 Mark Shaprio: "Everything we launch will come with a storyline, it=20 will come with a theme. That's a focus for Six Flags moving forward.=20 Historically it's been 'put down a ride where ever we have room', I=20 don't believe in that. We want to do something for both families and=20 the thrill seekers. Will Six Flags Magic Mountain gain back the=20 coaster capital status? In due time, absolutely."=20 TPR: When can we expect X2 and Thomas Town to open?=20 Mark Shaprio: "Memorial Day weekend, 2008."=20 I can also mention two things that have not been announced yet that=20 Shapiro talked about today. First off, in the location of Circus=20 Wheel will be a new high-energy, complex Midway game. It will be=20 a "3 point challenge Basketball Game" that promises will be full of=20 entertainment for the guests. Not only the ones playing, but for=20 spectators as well. So how can they replace a ride with a game you=20 ask? What about a new ride to replace it you might ask? Shapiro=20 tells us "be patient...we WILL fill out the park...in due time." Another new for 2008 announcement is that the Sky Tower will also be=20 turned into the Sky Tower Museum. You'll see exhibits from past=20 Magic Mountain rides on display and will give more reason to visit=20 Sky Tower.=20 Listen to the audio part of the interview and check out photos of X2=20 and other Magic Mountain updates:=20 http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D41974=20 --Robb Alvey=20 www.themeparkreview.com=20 From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Feb 22 04:52:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58720 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 12:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2008 12:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 12:52:33 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d11so86146and.28 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:52:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.122.12 with SMTP id u12mr22843925anc.46.1203684753318; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:52:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [69.140.249.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1193601agd.30.2008.02.22.04.52.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:52:32 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:52:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Ach00+IUhDTJOn2MQ+2XUyHg20CgLgAfPsRA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47bec58f.08045a0a.580f.ffffd43a@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: news: Indiana Beach sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=_qwKBwC68SECZ-IlK4hySVzhUS0fb9mQTkFDxpcTgskczuU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "That's what actually happened to Lesourdsville Lake. It was bought by an RV Dealer, and it ran one season with him, and it became just an RV lot. The park is now gone with an SBNO defunct wooden coaster rotting away there! Lets hope Indiana Beach doesn't become like that!" Indiana Beach is pretty much the most expensive piece of property in an economically distressed area. If they just wanted to do an RV lot or even campground there are a lot of cheaper options around there, even on the lake. I think it would be a pretty big loss to buy IB and then scrap it, especially since the assets would not be worth a whole lot when sold. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 06:48:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59356 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 14:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2008 14:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 14:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 14:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 14:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 14:48:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:48:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: HCM City kicks off construction of its first Metro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BS1c2Fk5hSnns35VAetSbc9ImPqTLgOIw41lKQQVA3qX0Ao X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 22, 2008 NhanDan Online http://www.nhandan.com.vn/english/business/220208/business_hcm.htm HO CHI MINH CITY, VIET NAM - Construction of the first Metro in Ho Chi Minh City was kicked off on February 21, starting from Ben Thanh market in downtown to Suoi Tien amusement park. The route is 19.7 kms long, including 2.6 kms stretch below ground and 17.1 kms above the ground, running on elevated track. Total investment for the project is put at VND 17.4 trillion. Of this, over VND 14.4 trillion comes from ODA loaned by the Japan Bank for International Co-operation (JBIC) and the remainder VND 3 trillion comes from the city budget. A trial run is expected in 2013 and the route is scheduled to be officially put into use in 2014. The project, once being completed will help ease traffic congestion and boost socio-economic development in HCM, the country's biggest city. ------------ Copyright 2008 NhanDan Online From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Feb 22 06:49:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42995 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 14:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2008 14:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 14:49:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3814 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 14:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 22 Feb 2008 14:49:58 -0000 Message-ID: <47BEE113.7040200@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:49:55 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <47bec58f.08045a0a.580f.ffffd43a@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <47bec58f.08045a0a.580f.ffffd43a@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: news: Indiana Beach sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=xRWSFpY93HZY4wMDqtNE14PH44rJNzsr7nxP6IpiWLCtDdPY X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Indiana Beach is pretty much the most expensive piece of property in an > economically distressed area. If they just wanted to do an RV lot or even > campground there are a lot of cheaper options around there, even on the > lake. I think it would be a pretty big loss to buy IB and then scrap it, > especially since the assets would not be worth a whole lot when sold. Plus - Indiana Beach is a huge draw to get the campers there in the first place. Cameron. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 06:51:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69022 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 14:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2008 14:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 14:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 14:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 14:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 14:51:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:50:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: HCM City kicks off construction of its first Metro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=K-TxE8Wstti8DbG03VyrOZx2PC8H76wDMuEnN04zryVF_oA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 FYI - I posted this News article because of the eventual Metro Link to Suoi Tien amusement park http://www.vietnamhost.com/suoitien_park/main.html -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > February 22, 2008 > NhanDan Online > http://www.nhandan.com.vn/english/business/220208/business_hcm.htm From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 07:08:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58064 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 15:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2008 15:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 15:08:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 15:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 15:08:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 15:08:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:08:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Anheuser-Busch Spends $3.4M on Lobbying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=n398e6boOnOOzUAUBppAeoKysmuTDnfbuLdQsdaQqxkw048 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 20, 2008 The Associated Press Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080220/anheuser_busch_lobbying.html?.v=3D1 WASHINGTON DC -- Anheuser-Busch Cos. (A-B) spent about $3.4 million in 2007 to lobby on legislation related to cutting taxes on beer, restrictions on alcohol advertising, amusement park regulations and other issues related to the malt beverage industry. A-B spent more than $1.8 million in the 2nd half of 2007 to lobby the federal government, according to a disclosure form posted online Thursday by the Senate's public records office. A-B lobbied to reduce the beer tax to its pre-1991 level and on legislation restoring the jurisdiction of the Consumer Product Safety Commission on amusement park rides, bottle recycling and advertising. A-B spent more than $1.6 million in the first 6 months of 2007 to lobby on many of the same issues. In addition to lobbying Congress, A-B also lobbied the FTC, Dept of Agriculture, Dept of the Treasury, EPA, Executive Office of the President, Dept of Commerce, Dept of the Interior, Dept of Health and Human Services, White House Office of Management and Budget and Dept of State. Lobbyists are required to disclose activities that could influence members of the executive and legislative branches, under a federal law enacted in 1995. ---------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 07:18:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23432 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 15:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2008 15:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 15:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 15:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 15:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2008 15:18:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:18:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: KY. AG Commissioner says State needs more ride inspectors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aKiKYm6EuxtfWJ7XX2spVXgbhnQWDi8rTNpHeC4DJgfuk2E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 20, 2008 The Associated Press Lexington Herald-Leader http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/323853.html By Joe Biesk FRANKFORT, KY -- Kentucky needs more inspectors to keep amusement ride patrons safe, state Agriculture Commissioner Richie Farmer said. While people have been injured, the state's been fortunate that no one's been killed on an amusement park ride in KY, Farmer said Wednesday. To keep things safe, the state Dept of Agriculture needs money to hire more ride inspectors, Farmer said. "We've been fortunate the good Lord has been watching over us," Farmer told The AP in an interview. "Because we've had a few injuries and we've had some things happen, but we've never had anybody die yet." Last summer, 13-y.o. Kaitlyn Lasitter's feet were severed after a cable snapped on the Superman Tower of Power ride at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (6FKK) in Louisville. The ride had received its annual inspection, an agency spokesman said. But the KY Dept of Agriculture is facing a 12% cut in Gov. Steve Beshear's proposed budget. Economic forecasters are estimating the state has an approximately $900 million budget shortfall over the next 2 fiscal years beginning July 1. To cope with the pending shortfall, Beshear has proposed an $18.5 million 2-year spending plan that calls for 12% cuts to public universities and most government agencies. Farmer, a 2nd-term Republican, said his agency's share of a 12% cut would amount to about $3.4 million. That's not enough for his agency to continue doing its job as it has been, Farmer told a legislative subcommittee. Agriculture officials handle a wide range of duties, including gasoline pump inspections and regulating various agricultural industries. Farmer said he was uncertain exactly how the agency would offset the proposed funding cuts. Nevertheless, Farmer said at least 5-8 more inspectors are needed to monitor amusement park rides. Currently, the agency has 8 full-time inspectors and others who monitor the less complicated carnival rides, Farmer said. "We've had a good track record," Farmer said. "We've never had anybody killed on an amusement ride here in KY, but I feel like it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when if something's not done to give us more people." In 1984, the agency had more than 20 amusement ride inspectors to cover the state, Farmer said. "There's going to come a point in time that, if nobody does anything, it's not our fault," Farmer said. "We're doing the best we can." Last year, KY had 32 amusement ride incidents reported to the state in which someone was hurt, agency spokesman Bill Clary said. Those incidents involved a wide range of problems, including reported bruises and back pain, Clary said. 8 incidents involved serious injuries that required medical attention at a hospital emergency room, Clary said. It was uncertain whether additional inspections at 6FKK could have caught the problem that led to Lasitter's injuries, Clary said. The ride, however, had received its inspection as required by law, Clary said. The agency is still investigating the cause of the incident, he said. Clary said the biggest challenge facing inspectors is traveling circuses. Inspectors do about 10,000 inspections per year, Clary said. "It's obvious that the 6FKK incident has thrown this into a lot higher awareness than it had been in times past. But the commissioner made the same argument to the legislature 2 years ago," Clary said. "The only thing that's changed is that people are paying a bit more attention to the issue this time around." --------------- Copyright 2008 The Associated Press Copyright 2008 Lexington Herald-Leader From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 17:04:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6227 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 01:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 01:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 01:04:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26615 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2008 01:04:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f9qGc.YVM1lCWqlz.7dLGAhOOjAQjIfnpguhvNfhxCRgP.KGNZbDDPte1bvTqfyoUDMnLAYkMdjAsg9sUxwqGjIUV6IfeSSvodsscSUVq6wQqt6nc.Y- X-Received: from [72.70.239.123] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:04:54 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:04:54 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1203707426.2296.46230.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <225034.26573.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: news: Indiana Beach sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ZTPMNUwBAHV7mn7sq-WBFHt27kdHwZBGV43YA6uw9vl0W4LMb4x4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think it would be a pretty big loss to buy IB and then scrap it, especially since the assets would not be worth a whole lot when sold. < So do I, Adam. I hope your assessment is correct. I would hate to see such a wonderful park disappear. Karen and I did stay at the campground while we were there, the tent section. It was pretty much a pit, unfortunately. So if the RV company can make improvements in the campgrounds, that would be welcome. The place sure was packed when we were there. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 17:08:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39341 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 01:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 01:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 01:08:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67348 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2008 01:08:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qqL6SB4VM1kcABHT486W08e.5rTr_c9U1DU6ww0TBi77FoSaXeGjlf_ZpVVmO2rVkG7IlMcdo.8gCkw7Q5kiq6hU8enNSR0wbGAA6mkstpDew357c8xYGbrscLZipmiXkVeAYTUqD18JqW.7eewy0WkC8Q-- X-Received: from [72.70.239.123] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:08:18 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:08:18 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1203707426.2296.46230.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <359607.67046.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Six Flags coaster held up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=QNKT2tt-q1AuPlbNbZ7ZsyeTgeqMy9wJ93jupT_JbkcuEUqR43pP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "If you read the article, it's not that they forgot...it's that they begin construction before they had secured the permit." < I was trying to be kind, rather than claim Six Flags violated local policy. :-) > Which is actually not out of the ordinary in the industry. < I agree. And it usually results in a little extra cash being quietly funneled to certain people. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 17:24:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18471 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 01:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 01:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 01:24:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77211 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2008 01:24:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BBoebhsVM1kdmPxaCg2UjN.2Ol40Jb9yJ4MO23GK83eatgMluvJ6BNFcJKk5RetDZl2pijtHRzyuEpwuX4rkRjmqGSSYswKPL1YrcmRwWathJmeKx8kDENjC0wLC5onH8oi9jW9Pl01r X-Received: from [72.70.239.123] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:24:20 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:24:20 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1203707426.2296.46230.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <47856.76551.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Six Flags Mark Shapiro Interview X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=aB5byjvWAQiQHUiqXqbmLIDKzofwvsudBHxiP_y6vddPY1fCWo1a X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terrific photos of X! Those new trains look mighty beefy. I imagine the new structure will take care of the formerly shaky seats. Shapiro's interview was interesting. His comment about "You have to have patience" is absolutely true. Unfortunately, the corporation has a time bomb ticking: their massive debt load. Collectors have only so much patience. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 19:38:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59190 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.42) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 11:30:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.182] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 827507.83440.bm@omp301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20205 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YBJF5vMVM1m4BDuaTGVyqwKA8SWGvPWijNQuNccAItPTJ_SeYCA8T3ChmsVpK4qRUopLNAG0D8pujbPZGMKY6PGEz4XQXK5P8kv2RnGMmtfDu_sJ58f76ciosBq6aQ-- X-Received: from [70.127.134.191] by web45107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:38:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:38:10 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <637907.19111.qm@web45107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Mark Shapiro Interview X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=4YaxG-439J3q9ioxAeY_pac3oLppPK8iAx6PFVzvOLVVx7VKG8SI X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:24:20 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Mark Shapiro Interview .. I found it interesting that he says SFMM will once regain the title as RollerCoaster Capital of the World. The "black sheep" of the chain seems to have found a place in Shapiro's heart. It appears he's coming around to understanding what SFMM really means to the world. The history is clear... a world class park with something for everyone while holding the title as a thrill seekers park. He clearly says 2009 has a coaster on deck, and possibly Wiggles World. He also says plans for 2010 and 2011 are already in the planning stages. He's right in saying previous management was just building coasters anywhere. We'll see how it plays out as Jay is right. The debt load is enormous. Joe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Feb 23 06:32:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53753 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 14:32:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 14:32:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 14:32:18 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JSvQH-0001dT-Qc for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:32:18 -0500 Message-ID: <47C02DC3.1090603@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:29:23 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <637907.19111.qm@web45107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <637907.19111.qm@web45107.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fb5088d70c8a068c3d2cdd4e1038bfc317f682d8ab707b86350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Mark Shapiro Interview X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=g8eDfJT11g9cgN99TN2hV8p52M543TOIHSif_zjjkPCBL4M X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash THUNDER wrote: > .. > I found it interesting that he says SFMM will once regain the title as > RollerCoaster Capital of the World. The "black sheep" of the chain seems > to have found a place in Shapiro's heart. It appears he's coming around > to understanding what SFMM really means to the world. The history is > clear... a world class park with something for everyone while holding > the title as a thrill seekers park. That was interesting, but I also found 2 other things even more intersting- First, in response to being asked about the removal of flats, he said, and emphasized, that they were going to fill out the park, which gives me some hope that they may actually restore the ride collection at the park, not just the coasters. The other is the amount of infrastructure work going on all over the park- much of which hasn't happened in years. Repainting coasters, resealing pavement, repaving areas, I've even heard that some of the bathrooms have received work. That's so different than what has been done in the past, and probably encourages me more than anything else. After seeing the work, and hearing the interview, it's the first time since Shapiro came in that I've had some hope and encouragement for the parks- and the first time I've really started to think that maybe my impressions of the new management team for the company might be a good thing, not a bad one. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 06:43:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11918 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 14:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 14:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 14:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 14:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 14:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 14:43:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:43:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <359607.67046.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Six Flags coaster held up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RdgEguK5HEEV0LF7ltYkyj-C6GZDWa1oLNbDO3FC5Wp6EKs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > I agree. And it usually results in a little extra cash being quietly funneled to certain people. >=20 > Jay You're not saying that anyone in a position of power could be BRIBED?! ;p -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 06:52:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31355 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 14:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 14:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 14:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 14:52:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 14:52:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:52:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park faces Charges over girl's death on water ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1mbdgsVRd17J3X643R8svjUH7vNQ2PZUqTpfSQV2eujI4D4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 23 2008 The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/23/wales By Helen Pidd NARBERTH, PEMBROKESHIRE, UK -- 4 years after a teenage girl died on a ride at a theme park in Wales, the owners have been summoned to court to answer charges of health and safety breaches. Hayley Williams, 16, from Pontypool, south Wales, was thrown out of her seat while on top of the Hydro water ride at Oakwood Theme Park (OW) in Pembrokeshire as it began an almost vertical 30-metre descent into a plunge pool. She died of internal injuries following the incident in April 2004. At an inquest in May 2006, the Pembrokeshire coroner, Michael Howells, ruled out unlawful killing when he concluded the evidence did not support a view that death had been as a result of gross negligence. The Crown Prosecution Service also ruled out criminal charges but the Health and Safety Executive served a summons on OW yesterday for an alleged breach of the Health and Safety at Work Act after its own investigation. The charge involves failing to ensure that Hayley Williams and Martin Rothwell, 10, who suffered minor injuries in the incident, were as safe as "reasonably practicable" at the time of the accident. The first court hearing has been scheduled for Haverfordwest magistrates court next month. The HSE said that if the case reaches the crown court, OW faces an unlimited fine if found guilty. If it is dealt with at magistrates court, the maximum fine would be =A320,000. Since the girl's death, safety precautions on the Hydro ride have been tightened, with over-the-shoulder restraints fitted instead of lap bars. A spokesman for OW declined to comment. ------------ =A9 Guardian News and Media Limited 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 07:04:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17965 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 15:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 15:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 15:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:04:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:04:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Disney park for Shanghai likely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=e0U8GxKbGvUEiUo1taVv5jFepuVtDH692lKEgTuyR6tkILE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 22, 2008 The Associated Press Reuters International Herald Tribune http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/22/business/AS-FIN-China-Shanghai-Di= sneyland.php SHANGHAI, CHINA -- A long-anticipated plan to build a Disney theme park in Shanghai is likely to move ahead soon, a state-run newspaper said Friday, though the company denied the report. The Shanghai Securities Journal, citing an unnamed official, said the park is due to be built in the southern outskirts of Shanghai's Pudong district and has already received needed government approvals. "In the past it was all speculation, this time it's for real!" the paper said. However, Walt Disney Co.'s spokeswoman in Asia, Alannah Hall-Smith denied the report. "There is no agreement and there is no deal," Hall-Smith said. She reiterated that Disney has been discussing various initiatives in China for years, including theme parks, community programs and business operations. "China is an important market for (Disney)," she said. The company, which has set up offices in a sleek new Shanghai commercial complex, has repeatedly emphasized that for now it is focusing on developing its Hong Kong theme park, which opened in 2005 but has not lived up to expectations. The report lifted shares in Shanghai-based property companies Friday, analysts said, despite the local market's overall weakness. --------------- Copyright =A9 2008 the International Herald Tribune Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press =A9 Reuters 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 07:11:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25582 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 15:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 15:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 15:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:11:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:11:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Eloy music theme park may include Fender X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=C-udKC7aNxAuR7oQxegU1Xr1GUuSpSsV-Of8hPY3moBSCcE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 23, 2008 The Arizona Republic http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0220biz-decades0= 220.html By Ronald J. Hansen ELOY, AZ -- Fender, the Scottsdale-based guitar maker, intends to be part of the effort to create a rock-and-roll theme park in Pinal County, although officials could not say Tuesday precisely what the company's role would be. "We are going to be involved, and in what capacity still needs to be resolved," said Clay Lyons, business-affairs manager for Fender. "We're still getting some details ironed out." Those familiar with the proposed Decades Music Theme Park project said Fender would come aboard as a partner and that Danny Zelisko, the longtime Valley concert promoter, is in negotiations to join as a partner as well. The state Senate Commerce and Economic Development Committee is scheduled to consider a bill today that would create a regional-attraction district that could issue up to $750 million in revenue bonds for the project if private contributors provide at least $100 million. Zelisko could not be reached for comment Tuesday, but is expected to be among those cited as supporting the legislation. Lyons said representatives of Fender would be on hand for the hearing. The Decades project seeks to build a 240-acre theme park in Eloy, halfway between Phoenix and Tucson. Supporters say the project could create about 3,000 jobs to build the park and about 5,000 jobs if it opens. Developers hope to open by July 2012. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008, azcentral.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 07:25:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21456 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 15:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 15:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 15:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:25:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:25:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hit Ent. to build Dubai theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Kk3qTzU8YbEJ1190GaldG7jfb_960C9uzOuJ0c-xZbbVkj0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 21, 2008 Variety http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117981241.html?categoryid=3D14&cs=3D1 By Ali Jaafar DUBAI, UAE -- British kidvid shingle Hit Entertainment (HE) has become the latest media company to grab a slice of the ever-growing Dubai real estate pie by inking a strategic alliance with Dubailand, the 3 billion sq-ft development designed to help make Dubai a global tourist destination. The deal will see HE execs develop a series of family-friendly projects, including the 25,000 sq-ft Little Big Club theme park designed around HE franchises such as "Barney," "Pingu" and "Bob the Builder." The 7-figure dollar deal will be set within the Global Village section of Dubailand, itself a member of U.A.E.-based real estate company Tatweer, and will also include live entertainment, themed restaurants and retail outlets. The Global Village is set to open by the end of the year. "The alliance with HE is a continuation of our strategy of bringing the world's most prestigious names in the leisure and entertainment industries to Dubailand," said Dubailand CEO Mohammad Al-Habbai. Deal follows on from Tatweer's billion-dollar-plus strategic alliance with DreamWorks Animation in January to develop a range of tourism and leisure projects, the highlight of which will be a theme park. The 5 million sq-ft DreamWorks Animation branded park will see rides incorporate characters from DreamWorks titles such as the "Shrek" franchise and upcoming "Kung Fu Panda." In May last year, Tatweer also announced a $2 billion deal with Universal Parks and Resorts to build Universal City Dubailand. The 505-acre development, which will include a 149-acre Universal theme park along with a range of hotels, restaurants and retail outlets, will open in 2010. Marvel Entertainment, Nickelodeon and Paramount have also inked their own licensing and multi-media deals with U.A.E.-based real estate companies in recent months. --------------- =A9 2008 Reed Business Information From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 07:41:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39265 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 15:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 15:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 15:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 15:41:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:41:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Park launches "Name the baby dolphin" contest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=kUt0B6lAxR1niVYMwCBmnXi0WGpEblJ6P1oie2715g2sT74 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 21 February 2008 Dominican Today The Dominican Republic News Source http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/this-and-that/2008/2/21/27107/Theme-park-l= aunches-Name-the-baby-dolphin-contest SANTO DOMINGO, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC -- Dolphin Island Park is holding the contest "Name the baby dolphin," to celebrate the birth of the first dolphin in its facilities on August 2007. The theme park, located in Dominican Republic's Bavaro-Punta Cana region, said the contest is an initiative which aims to get students to learn about and love those animals. Dolphin Island director Miguel Moreno said La Altagracia province public and private school students from 7-13 years of age can take part, and the winner gets a computer with its accessories, and a visit to the dolphin, whose parents are named Vicky and Ca=EDn. ---------- Copyright 2008 The Dominican Republic News Source in English From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 11:15:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41911 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 19:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2008 19:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n54.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.32) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 19:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n54.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 11:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.100] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 19:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2008 19:15:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 888463.43568.bm@omp201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 22228 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2008 19:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from [70.127.128.104] by web45109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:15:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:15:20 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <759057.20798.qm@web45109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Mark Shapiro Interview X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=jjBuUkk8rIKCeHbGLB4jvVxyz5yuKNLe5DaSfNkEZj0NqmeISzn1 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ---- From: george burnash To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:29:23 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags Mark Shapiro Interview THUNDER wrote: > .. > I found it interesting that he says SFMM will once regain the title as > RollerCoaster Capital of the World. The "black sheep" of the chain seems > to have found a place in Shapiro's heart. It appears he's coming around > to understanding what SFMM really means to the world. The history is > clear... a world class park with something for everyone while holding > the title as a thrill seekers park. GEORGE wrote: That was interesting, but I also found 2 other things even more intersting- First, in response to being asked about the removal of flats, he said, and emphasized, that they were going to fill out the park, which gives me some hope that they may actually restore the ride collection at the park, not just the coasters. The other is the amount of infrastructure work going on all over the park- much of which hasn't happened in years. Repainting coasters, resealing pavement, repaving areas, I've even heard that some of the bathrooms have received work. That's so different than what has been done in the past, and probably encourages me more than anything else. After seeing the work, and hearing the interview, it's the first time since Shapiro came in that I've had some hope and encouragement for the parks- and the first time I've really started to think that maybe my impressions of the new management team for the company might be a good thing, not a bad one. keep on ridin' George THUNDER writes: I will eat my bad words for now, as my impressions were bad also. Now, I am taking a neutral stance until I see what new management does in the next 5 years with the parks as Shapiro did say they are currently working on the 5 year plan for the parks. Joe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 10:43:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11107 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2008 18:43:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2008 18:43:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2008 18:43:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2008 18:43:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2008 18:43:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:43:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Interview at Cliff's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=AEzpeS6HR8fqhzn4sVdvkZck8IfYuVKM0yvySqkCa89S2ic X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Wish me luck y'all. I have an interview with Cliff's Amusement Park on Monday! -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 10:58:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24422 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2008 18:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2008 18:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2008 18:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2008 18:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2008 18:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2008 18:58:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:58:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Famous Dave's founder takes on Dells (long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9bAAa6aBmYJK6wBO-afoAuPjD9fzc9ciQ4rgNv9fLAhgA7U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 23, 2008 The Journal-Sentinel http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=3D721388 By Tom Daykin GURNEE, IL-- "Famous Dave" Anderson never thought much about water parks while running his chain of barbecue restaurants. So he was amazed several years ago when he stepped into the lobby of Great Wolf (GW) Lodge, near Wisconsin Dells. "There must have been 200 people, standing in line, all waiting to get in," Anderson said. Anderson hopes for similar crowds at his $135 million KeyLime Cove (KLC), a 400-room water park resort that opens Friday. KLC is just off I-94 in Gurnee, IL, about halfway between Milwaukee and Chicago, and will likely pull residents from both areas who would otherwise drive to the Dells. "I think the Wisconsin Dells will always be strong," said Anderson, who credits the Dells indoor water park operators for transforming their area into a year-round tourism draw. But KLC, he said, will offer a different product from GW, Kalahari resort and other major water park resorts in the Dells. "These guys fell into this, and they really don't know what they have," Anderson said. "We believe our vision is greater." "It's a lot easier to build a barbecue stand than an indoor water park," responded Todd Nelson, Kalahari's operator. He and other Dells water park owners expect KLC to have little impact on their business. Anderson's vision includes what he calls an "adult-forward strategy," with activities such as cooking classes and wine tastings for parents, and a high level of service, with special attention paid to the quality of food served at KLC's restaurants. The informal model is Las Vegas, with its artificial - yet attractive - environment. Think the Paris Hotel and Casino, or New York New York, minus the gambling. "There's a whole new world once you get inside the doors," Anderson said. Tropical world At KLC, that world is a tropical resort, awash in pastel colors, with umbrella drinks, floral scents and a layout of shops and restaurants designed to resemble a Key West street. The 65,000-sq-ft water park has huge tube and body slides, a lazy river, whirlpools and other features. Anderson also touts an attention to details. The bedsheets have a higher thread count than those found at other hotels, so they're more comfortable, he said. The rooms feature flat-screen TVs, high-end Keurig coffee makers and other amenities. Guests, including children, can use their wristbands - equipped with radio transmitters - to pay for meals, arcade game tokens and other items, allowing them to explore the resort without having to carry cash or credit cards. The restaurants include D.W. Anderson's Eatery and Ice Cream Parlor, which Anderson hopes to turn into a chain of free-standing, franchised locations. The menu features burgers and other comfort food. Years in service industry Although KLC is a new venture, Anderson is a service industry veteran. In 1994, he helped start the Rainforest Cafe, a chain of theme restaurants that includes a Gurnee location. That same year, Anderson, a Chicago native, opened a Famous Dave's barbecue restaurant in Hayward, in northern WI. It spawned additional restaurants, and Famous Dave's of America Inc. had its initial public offering 2 years later. Anderson today is the retired chairman of the company, based in Minnetonka, MN. It owns 44 Famous Dave's locations and has another 120 Famous Dave's restaurants under franchised operators. Anderson was exploring ways to draw more tourists to Hayward, where he operated a small resort near his restaurant, when someone suggested looking at the Dells water parks. That led Anderson to GW Lodge and the decision to develop a water park resort between Milwaukee and Chicago. KLC, which Anderson once considered building about 15 miles north, in Kenosha, will be the largest water park resort in the Chicago area. Anderson and his partners, including Minneapolis-based Morrissey Hospitality Cos., expect to expand the hotel to 600 rooms, and the indoor water park to 100,000 sq-ft, within the next 12 months. They also plan to boost meeting room space from 12,000 sq-ft to 80,000 sq-ft. Chicago has a huge meeting and convention market, and the additional meeting space will help KLC grab a larger share of the business. The development, which began construction in November 2006, has 450 employees. Anderson thinks he can duplicate KLC in other locations throughout the US. Some Dells water park resort operators have added other locations. The biggest is GW Resorts Inc., which operates 10 properties in WI, OH, MI, PA, Ontario, VI, TX and KS, and has 2 others under construction in NC and WA. The Madison-based company also has plans for resorts in MN, CT and GA. CEO John Emery doesn't expect KLC to have a major impact on GW. "The Dells is the best family vacation market in Midwest," Emery said. "I do not believe one asset is going to have a material impact on just the vast numbers of people who call the Dells the place to go." Mall, Six Flags touted Anderson says Gurnee Mills outlet mall offers better shopping than the Dells does. He also said the location of Six Flags Great America amusement park in Gurnee provides another major attraction during the summer tourism season. Nelson, however, says Gurnee provides little else for tourists. The Dells, he said, has a lot more attractions, and its water parks are "light years ahead of everybody in the industry." KLC will draw customers from a 200-mile radius, including families from Milwaukee and Chicago who would otherwise travel to the Dells, said Jeff Coy, an industry consultant. But KLC also might be too close to those cities for some families, said Coy, who operates JLC Hospitality Consulting of Cave Creek, AZ. Some water park fans don't feel as though they can truly "get away" without driving at least 50-100 miles, he said. KLC may be better suited for guests seeking a quick getaway instead of a longer stay, said Joe Eck, director of sales and marketing at Wilderness Hotel & Golf Resort, in Wisconsin Dells. Wilderness includes 3 separate indoor water parks, a golf course, cabins, condominiums, restaurants and a hotel. "We're still that true resort destination," said Eck, whose company is building a Wilderness resort in Tennessee. -------------- =A9 2005-2007, Journal Sentinel Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 11:08:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59787 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2008 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2008 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2008 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2008 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2008 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2008 19:08:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:08:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Historic amusement park to stay in town X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YQyzKYfUoLuedy25Q1Fl5pExeI7o13q2a3tI8q_2-MFXZKE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 22nd February 2008 The Kent Messenger http://www.kentonline.co.uk/news/default.asp?article_id=3D38691 MARGATE, KENT, UK -- A planning blueprint to bring a historic Kent amusement park into the future has been approved. Plans for the former site of Dreamland, in Margate have been given the green light by Thanet Council. The bleuprint includes some residential development, but the majority of the site, including the listed Dreamland building and Scenic Railway, will remain and be incorporated into new amusement facilities. Local people were asked for their views on the planning guidance and the majority agreed with its proposals, although there was a concern that as much of the site as possible should be retained for leisure to avoid more homes being built. The residential space will help to fund the provision and operation of a new high-quality amusement park in the future. The planning guidance for potential developers was developed by the council, liaising with a number of other organisations, including the Margate Renewal Partnership, SEEDA, Kent County Council, English Partnerships and the Save Dreamland Campaign. Cllr Roger Latchford, cabinet member for culture and economy, said: "This planning guidance clearly sets out to prospective developers exactly what the council - and the local community - are looking for on the site. "People have made it clear that they wish to keep an amusement park on the majority of the site and to avoid more house building, but we have to be realistic and accept that for the first to happen, it will probably need to be funded by an element of residential development. "Now that this guidance is in place, we look forward to working with developers and seeing their ideas." A second planning brief will now be prepared for the town's Arlington Square site. -------------- =A9 Kent Messenger Limited 1998 - 2008 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 08:08:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56470 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2008 16:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2008 16:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2008 16:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 16:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 16:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 16:08:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:08:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 161.149.63.100 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: Interview at Cliff's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ghBSdbiE3CpUehPtctMjQ3vFpxXdpQ5vCAgXM5__BRaoACST4riD X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Wish me luck y'all. > I have an interview with Cliff's Amusement Park on Monday! Good luck! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 14:30:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95287 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2008 22:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2008 22:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2008 22:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 22:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 22:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 22:30:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:30:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: The 1st IAAPA Middle East Safety Conference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WPg4m2u67Vf6oCozlXKPc1YUQyHGWJe9pLNKJQ0lOGkX_Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 IAAPA http://www.iaapa.org/expos/MESConference.asp DUBAI, EAU -- February 27 =96 28, 2008, IAAPA proudly announces the FIRST IAAPA MIDDLE EAST SAFETY CONFERENCE, exclusively designed for operators, developers, and government officials interested in achieving excellence in safety for the amusement and attractions industry in the Middle East region. The conference will provide a combination of lecture, roundtable, and networking opportunities that will allow delegates to learn best safety practices and share their own experiences and challenges. ---------- =A9 2008 International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 14:33:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59307 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2008 22:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2008 22:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2008 22:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 22:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 22:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 22:33:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:33:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: IAAPA 2008 Legislative Summit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dEnDB_iXz9FFeO5mSDkHF9xON8GkEWMmRQn7i7Jnmn-730w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 IAAPA http://www.iaapa.org/government/legislativesummit/ WASHINGTON, DC -- March 11 =96 12, 2008, Open to all IAAPA members in the U.S., the 2008 Legislative Summit is your opportunity to make sure your voice, and the voice of the industry is heard in Washington. You will learn how to effectively lobby your congressman and then will have the opportunity put your new skills to work when you meet with representatives and senators from your home state. Register before February 9, 2008 and save! ------------- =A9 2008 International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 14:47:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 235 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2008 22:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2008 22:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2008 22:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 22:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2008 22:47:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:47:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Water-savings will allow 6FOG to open water rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=U_lMZ5LVdZfggCCRNlcgMbObjQKSWOTRXoG5WbED-RURQ1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 FEB 22, 2008 Amusement Today http://www.amusementtoday.com/ AUSTEll, GA -- According to a recent story published in the The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the area's ongoing drought prompted an unusual deal this week between Six Flags Over Georgia (6FOG) and Cobb County. In exchange for installing low-flow toilets, urinals and faucets, 6FOG will be allowed to operate its water rides when it opens March 1. 6FOG spokeswoman Hela Sheth said more than half the park's water is used in the restrooms. Replacing 125 toilets installed before 1992 and updating other plumbing will save about 18% of all water used. "The upgrades will mean water conservation for years to come, even when the drought is over," Sheth said. "Closing the rides would only address short-term conservation." Closing the water rides, including Skull Island, Splashwater Falls, Thunder River and Log Jamboree, would shave only about 13% off the water used at the park. A waterless visit this spring and summer to 6FOG had been a real possibility as county officials try to meet the state mandate to reduce water use by 10%. They discussed shutting the rides at a meeting last month with 6FOG representatives. 6FOG is not in Cobb's top 150 water users year-round. "I think 6FOG is making the kind of strides we would hope that all water users would make, that is to evaluate where they can take measures to accomplish the water savings," said Glenn Page, GM of the Cobb County-Marietta Water Authority. 6FOG also plans to use well water to fill at least 2 of the rides and water the landscaping from spring-fed lakes and stormwater runoff. The company also plans to update the plumbing at White Water, its waterpark in Marietta. ---------- =A9 2008 Amusement Today From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 06:44:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66159 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 14:44:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 14:44:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:44:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Interview at Cliff's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=26fsCEoSte2t_VrcJPBEVvFc1txqPrRFynMdv9ub9PyxlwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Well, I got hired yesterday. Granted, like most Amusement Parks, they're only open for half of the year. What I thought was funny was, the "Kid" I interviewed with (I say Kid, because he's about, what ... 22?), has "Supervisor" embroidered on his shirt -- and here's the kicker -- this was his 2nd season! Apparently, promotion won't be a problem. Oh, and I be a ride operator -- in their Kiddyland. I don't mean to laugh, but after having worked in the "real world" for so long ... -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Wish me luck y'all. > > I have an interview with Cliff's Amusement Park on Monday! >=20 > Good luck! >=20 > Adam From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 06:45:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78213 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2008 14:45:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2008 14:45:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.249) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2008 14:45:45 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 23so2822887hsn.12 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:45:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.14.17 with SMTP id 17mr9818327ann.66.1204037144972; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:45:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.13.10 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:45:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0802260645v10a2ec9ax9deba38291eb3c94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:45:44 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Interview at Cliff's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=DCqVDTk7lmTn5RmvGRP0g7vFic-nTM4CY4bSIICOzjzLt0I X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska congratulations! On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Alan wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I got hired yesterday. > Granted, like most Amusement Parks, they're only open for half of the > year. > > What I thought was funny was, the "Kid" I interviewed with (I say Kid, > because he's about, what ... 22?), has "Supervisor" embroidered on his > shirt -- and here's the kicker -- this was his 2nd season! > > Apparently, promotion won't be a problem. > > Oh, and I be a ride operator -- in their Kiddyland. > > I don't mean to laugh, but after having worked in the "real world" for > so long ... > > -Alan > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" > > wrote: > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > > Wish me luck y'all. > > > I have an interview with Cliff's Amusement Park on Monday! > > > > Good luck! > > > > Adam > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 06:54:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66690 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2008 14:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2008 14:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2008 14:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 14:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 14:54:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:54:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: 300-mph train from Vegas to Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=J9F8WhNz_9Dm5-gnKVtmKPsRlqTLS_n6GeeJBSHzRphH-EM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 25, 2008 The Associated Press USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2008-02-25-vegas-disneyland-train_N.htm= ?csp=3D34 By Erica Werner and Kathleen Hennessey LAS VEGAS, NV -=97 It's been hailed as the future of mass transit and ridiculed as a big gamble on little more than an amusement park ride. Which is a pretty clever insult, considering the project in question is a magnetically levitating train that would speed tourists from Las Vegas (LV) to Disneyland (DL). Whether the idea ever gets off the drawing board depends on both Congress and the fate of a rival train project that appears to be picking up steam. "What all of this shows is that there's certainly a need for high-speed rail, an interest in high-speed rail. We're finally getting the attention," said Alan Wapner, a member of the Ontario, CA, City Council who also sits on the commission pushing for what would be the nation's first MagLev train. "It's time the US wake up and realize that we need to develop alternative technologies." The dueling plans are competing for a big piece of the tourism industry: 10-Million Southern Californians make the 250-plus-mile drive to LV each year. The vast majority take an increasingly clogged I-15 that can slow to a crawl and make the drive an ordeal of 5 hours or more. For nearly 2 decades, the main plan in the works was the futuristic MagLev train that would zip riders between Sin City and the Magic Kingdom in well under 2 hours, hurtling across the wide-open desert at up to 300 mph. But a delay in federal funds needed for planning the public-private venture has suddenly given traction to a cheaper diesel-electric alternative dubbed DesertXpress (DX). The privately funded DX would whisk riders to LV at 125 mph from the Mojave Desert town of Victorville, CA, some 1-1/2 hours northeast of LA. Total travel time, including the drive to Victorville: 3-4 hours. Backers of DX, among them NV GOP powerbroker Sig Rogich, are pouring millions into their project and courting NV lawmakers, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-NV, a longtime supporter of MagLev. The most recent delay to afflict the Anaheim-to-Vegas MagLev plan was a drafting error that blocked $45 million the project was supposed to get in Congress' 2005 highway bill. Legislation to correct the error cleared the House last year and is awaiting passage in the Senate, where it has been tied up by unrelated issues. If it gets the financial boost, the MagLev project plans to issue bonds and seek government loans. The holdup has given Rogich time to make his case. "I'm hoping that the Senate as a whole will look at what's been spent to date and ask specifically what is this $45 million for," Rogich said. MagLev has received more than $9 million in federal money over the years, spending most of it on design plans, ridership projections and other studies. The additional $45 million would pay principally for government-required environmental reviews. DX says its project would cost $3-$5 billion =97 compared with $12 billion or more for MagLev =97 and would be privately financed. MagLev's higher price tag comes from its technology: superswift, silent trains propelled over special tracks by electricity and magnetic forces. The technology is in commercial use only on 1 short route in China. Over the past several decades, a number of MagLev proposals in this country have never moved beyond the planning phase. That is just one reason many are skeptical either train will ever leave the station. Among other reasons: Neither proposal actually brings travelers to LA. DX says extending its tracks that far south is too expensive and unnecessary. Even a train that ran between LA and LV wouldn't guarantee financial success. Amtrak's Desert Wind between the 2 cities was canceled in 1997 because of low ridership. "I remain skeptical that there's sufficient demand to make it appear it could be a market success," said Martin Wachs at the Rand Corp. think tank. "And it would depend ultimately on the willingness of taxpayers to subsidize to some extent that service." ------------- Copyright 2008 The Associated Press Copyright 2008 USA TODAY From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 07:07:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37412 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2008 15:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2008 15:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2008 15:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 15:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 15:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 15:06:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:06:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Tokyo Disneyland plans Mickey Mouse for seniors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Lxk09niaZq3nPhaQzBdnhYbpBAw94CLMKvG2KGHtPJJ6P1o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 21, 2008 Agence France Presse Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080221/lf_afp/lifestylejapanentertainmentseni= ordisneyland_080221074646 URAYASU, CHIBA, JP -- As the Japanese have fewer and fewer children, Tokyo Disneyland (TDL) is setting its sights on the growing elderly population, launching a cut-rate annual pass for visitors aged 60 or older. It is believed to be the first time a special annual pass for seniors has been available at any of the world's Disneylands, which are icons of entertainment for children. Oriental Land Co., which operates TDL and adjacent DisneySea, will from March 1 offer a pass costing 35,000 yen (US$325) allowing seniors to visit one of the parks as many times as they wish in a year. The price is a 22% discount on a regular pass. If seniors want to go to both parks, the annual pass will cost 55,000 yen, a 27% cut. "As the country ages and people have fewer and fewer children, we need to take measures addressed to senior visitors," Oriental Land spokesman Hiroshi Suzuki said. "As we aim at family entertainment, elderly people aren't the sole focus of our business but certainly are a core target," he said. Oriental Land already gives seniors a discount on daily tickets. It also earlier sold a seniors' pass for Tokyo DisneySea for a fixed 1-year period to January 31. It decided to regularly offer an annual pass given its popularity. TDL marks its 25th anniversary this year, meaning many people who took their children to the sprawling park at the opening are now around 60. "We see an increasing number of middle-age and senior couples in the parks," Suzuki said. TDL, which attracts tens of thousands of visitors each day, opened in the suburbs of the Japanese capital in 1983 as Disney's first theme park outside the US. Visits to the park have nearly become a rite of passage for Japanese children. Tokyo DisneySea opened in 2001, embracing more adult visitors. Beer, wine and other alcoholic beverages are available at DisneySea, unlike in TDL. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Agence France Presse Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 07:14:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34575 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2008 15:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2008 15:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2008 15:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 15:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 15:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 15:14:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:14:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Disney considered plans for White Bay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qgkIcu3VunJz1awJ_kKW3v53BNRhg4dM412J7hl2-1ojTNs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 27, 2008 The Sydney Morning Herald http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/disney-eyes-white-bay/2008/02/26/120378= 8346568.html?s_cid=3Drss_news By Jano Gibson WHITE BAY, NEW SOUTH WALES, AU -- The Walt Disney Company has been eyeing off a prime piece of real estate on Sydney Harbour as it seeks to expand its global empire of theme parks and resorts. The State Government has confirmed Disney recently held unsolicited discussions with the Dept of State and Regional Development about the redevelopment of White Bay, a working port next to the Anzac Bridge. A spokesman for the Minister for State Development, Ian Macdonald, would not elaborate on what was proposed during the discussions, saying only that they took place in the past few months and had been discontinued. Disney, which has 11 theme parks, 8 resorts and a cruise line across 3 continents, was one of a number of unnamed companies that have approached the Government with unsolicited proposals for the site, the spokesman said. There were no "active concepts" at present, he said. A spokesman for Disney, John Nicoletti, said his company was constantly exploring opportunities to grow. "As part of that process, we have conversations with lots of entities," he said. "And, while Australia is an attractive market, at this time we have no plans for this region." He would not comment on what Disney had envisioned for the White Bay site, including whether it was for a Disneyland theme park, a Disney resort or some other venture. The Government has established the Bays Precinct Taskforce to formulate a development strategy for White Bay, Glebe Island, Blackwattle Bay and Rozelle Bay. Details are expected to be released when the sub-regional strategy for Sydney's inner west goes on display this year. The executive director of the Sydney Chamber of Commerce, Patricia Forsythe, said a Disneyland at White Bay would be a wonderful opportunity for Sydney. "It is a spectacular site worthy of an iconic development," she said. She said a world-class arts facility would also be suitable. The secretary of the White Bay Precinct Committee, Christina Ritchie, said locals must have a say on the site's development. She could not comment on the Disney discussion without more detail. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008. The Sydney Morning Herald From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 07:27:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10132 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2008 15:27:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:27:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney to sell time shares in Contemporary Resort X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cFF-WCpX3ZDFphvP56k1fnILMM3aXfpbqXOpOn6pIwYK3jo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 26, 2008 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-contemporary2608feb26,0,7478187= .story?track=3Drss By Jason Garcia and Scott Powers LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- The Walt Disney Co. has won approval to begin selling time shares in a 15-story tower the company is erecting next to its famed Contemporary Resort, a $110 million addition that Disney has named "The Kingdom Tower (KT)." Disney has for months refused to divulge its plans for the hard-to-miss, half-built tower that is rising just outside the gates of the Magic Kingdom -- despite rampant speculation among Disney fans that it is destined for time shares. A spokeswoman for Disney's time-share division, Disney Vacation Club (DVC), would not discuss the project in detail again Monday."We don't have anything to announce today," spokeswoman Diane Hancock said. But in new filings with the Florida Dept of Business and Professional Regulation, Disney formally states that the DVC will "add a 9th component site to be known as KT at Disney's Contemporary Resort." Disney says in the documents that it will sell the time shares in phases, beginning with an initial 75 units. The KT, which will connect to the existing Contemporary via a 5th-floor pedestrian bridge, will ultimately contain 281 units, according to the filings. A spokesman for the Dept of Business and Professional Regulation, which awarded a time-share license to the KT project earlier this month, said Disney has now been cleared to start selling units at any time. "They can begin," department spokesman Sam Farkas said. Disney appears in no rush. The company says in the documents it doesn't expect to finish the KT until the fall of 2009. Analysts say the company can afford to be patient. The KT, they say, is likely to prove a huge seller, given that it will be the closest time shares Disney has built to the Magic Kingdom -- the busiest theme park in the world -- and the first built directly alongside Disney's monorail. "I'd have to imagine that's going to be an extremely popular product," said Jeremy Glaser, a lodging-industry analyst with Morningstar. Some analysts think Disney is withholding a formal Contemporary announcement because it does not want to undermine time-share sales at Disney's Animal Kingdom Villas or Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort & Spa, both of which are still selling units. The company's 4 other time-share resorts at Walt Disney World -- as well as one each in Vero Beach and Hilton Head, S.C. -- are sold out. Glaser, however, said Disney's silence "could just be some trademark Disney secrecy." Disney's filings with the state also offer more detail about the KT's amenities. A new swimming pool, for instance, will be large enough for 180 people; go as deep as 4'-11"; and feature 2 hot tubs and a 104'-long water slide. There will be 2 tennis courts, 2 shuffleboard courts and 2 boccie ball courts. A barbecue pavilion will have about 490 sq-ft of covered area and a pair of picnic tables. Glaser predicted that Disney will choose to market the Contemporary time shares "as more of an upscale product." An early point-chart submitted by Disney to the state -- DVC owners buy points from the company, which they then redeem for rooms, though they must buy through a "home resort" -- shows guests will have to spend more points to rent 1- and 2-bedroom units at the KT than any of Disney's other existing time shares. In a further step toward cementing the new tower's status as a time-share resort, Disney has created a new condominium association that would manage the resort once units are sold off to individual owners. State records show that the "KT at Disney's Contemporary Resort Condominium Assoc." was formally incorporated Jan. 9. The KT continues a wave of construction for Disney's fast-growing DVC. The company is in the midst of building its first time shares at Disneyland in Anaheim, CA, and has announced plans to build an 800-room resort in Hawaii in which at least half of the units will be time shares. Disney also recently obtained approval to rebuild its little-known Treehouse Villas, a 60-unit community in a heavily forested area of WDW. The move has prompted speculation that those units, too, could be converted to time shares. The widespread building boom comes even as the U.S. economy teeters on the brink of a possible recession. But Tammie Kaufman, a professor at the University of Central Florida who teaches courses on time shares, said time shares could remain popular even during an economic slump because consumers will want to stretch their vacation money further. "People are looking for a bargain," Kaufman said. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 10:28:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48624 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2008 18:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2008 18:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.238) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2008 18:28:14 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c37so3198391wra.19 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:28:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.29.18 with SMTP id g18mr3572766rvj.298.1204050493639; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:28:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:28:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:28:13 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Water-savings will allow 6FOG to open water rides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=X7WzhRbXTKJMf6A-ymuFOpfbIWyFKy2rexyWgM8c5kzufildAanuLRs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's nice to know the whole chain won't go belly up now that SFoG can open its water rides. ;) -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 07:12:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17455 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2008 15:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2008 15:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2008 15:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:12:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:12:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Six Flags Flies Audiences to the Moon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8Tkk6nz173_J_l-0KYA4Dc1HouWtRo1n2TB9QGJ7bFehvqU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 26, 2008 Source: Six Flags, Inc. PRNewswire-FirstCall Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080226/nytu036.html?.v=3D101 NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. (6F) announced today a partnership with nWave Pictures that will bring the excitement of Apollo 11 and the first walk on the moon to millions of park guests this season. FLY ME TO THE MOON - 3D (FMTTM), a ride simulation based on the animated feature film releasing this summer, features the voices of Kelly Ripa, Christopher Lloyd and Nicolette Sheridan and will be the featured attraction at 3D theaters at 6FGA, in Jackson, NJ and 6FOT, in Arlington, TX. The fact based fictional film follows 3 teenaged flies on an incredible adventure as they become part of history - stowing away inside the space helmets of Commanders Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins on the Apollo 11 mission that marked America's first manned landing on the moon. FMTTM is the first-ever computer animated feature film designed, created and produced from the first frame, exclusively for the 3D experience. "This innovative film is a great example of the kind of unique, first-run entertainment that our guests have come to expect at the new 6F," said Dan Weinberg, 6F VP of Entertainment. "The collaboration with nWave allows us to continue the expansion and diversification of our in-park product." NWave Founder and Director Ben Stassen: "We applaud 6F for thinking outside the box and really seizing the opportunity to expose park visitors to this film. As a company that specializes in 3D production and distribution, we're excited about the new alliance with 6F. Their family of parks offer nWave the perfect platform to showcase the recreation of the Apollo 11 flight through the ride film experience that will entertain both adults and children." FLY ME TO THE MOON - 3D debuts Opening Day at each park - March 1 at 6FOT and April 5 at 6FGA. About Six Flags, Inc: 6F is the world's largest regional theme park company with 21 parks across the US, Mexico and Canada. Founded in 1961, 6F has provided world class entertainment for millions of families with cutting edge, record-shattering roller coasters and appointment programming with events like the popular Thursday and Sunday Night Concert Series. Now 47 years strong, 6F is recognized as the preeminent thrill innovator while reaching to all demographics - families, teens, tweens and thrill seekers alike - with themed attractions based on the Looney Tunes characters, the Justice League of America, skateboarding legend Tony Hawk, The Wiggles and Thomas the Tank Engine. 6F is a publicly-traded corporation headquartered in New York City. About nWave nWave Pictures is a multinational company specializing in 3D digital production and dedicated to special venue production and distribution. nWave Pictures is known for utilizing innovative technologies to maximize intellectual properties throughout multiple media platforms including 2D and 3D Giant Screen (Imax), Motion Simulation and Attraction Films in all film formats and electronic media. As the most prolific producers of 3D films in the world, nWave's titles have generated over $200 million in box office revenues in Imax theaters worldwide. This year marks the debut of nWave's first animated feature FMTTM. ------------ Source: Six Flags, Inc. Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. Copyright =A9 2008 PR Newswire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 07:17:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40869 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2008 15:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2008 15:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2008 15:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:17:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:17:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Doctors remove part of leg 8 months after accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mXWriZehNuYn64J3gI384COEWM5EXHAMjDGhOkIVj5d98ZE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 26, 2008 The Associated Press WHAS-11 http://www.whas11.com/news/local/stories/whas11_topstory_080226_sixflags.2e= 11e8e5.html?npc LOUISVILLE, KY -- Doctors removed 1-1/2" of bone from the end of the left leg of a 14-y.o. girl injured last summer when an amusement park ride malfunctioned and amputated her feet. Kaitlyn Lasitter will not walk again for at least 5 weeks after undergoing her 4th amputation surgery since the June 21 accident at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (6FKK) in Louisville, said her mother, Monique Lasitter. Surgeons at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, TN, performed the surgery over the weekend after the bone had grown through muscle tissue and began pushing on the skin, Monique Lasitter said. "She had been up and going," but now she is in "serious, intense pain," Monique Lasitter said. Kaitlyn and her parents have sued 6FKK, claiming the park failed to maintain the Superman Tower of Power ride and equipment and ensure riders' safety. In court filings, the amusement park has denied liability in the accident. Doctors reattached Kaitlyn's right foot, but she had to have some of her left leg amputated. The KY Dept of Agriculture, which inspects amusement park rides, is awaiting tests on a cable from the ride to determine what caused it to snap. Once the tests are complete, the Agriculture Department plans to release its findings about the accident. ------------- Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press =A9 2008 Belo Kentucky, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 07:24:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76750 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:24:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:24:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Six Flags sees 2-week delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Bk3uTkF2u4kyNWJCKDZlFd_Q6Inw9fDUCnvN7BORAQMDWkY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 23, 2008 The Republican http://www.masslive.com/news/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-13/12037549841= 14500.xml&coll=3D1 By Angela Carbone AGAWAM, MA -- Construction at Six Flags New England (6FNE) continues to be at a standstill, but a company official said the amusement park hopes to have all loose ends tied up within 2 weeks. In a special meeting, the city's Zoning Board of Appeals yesterday morning stated its support for the actions of Building Inspector Dominic Urbinati. Urbinati issued a stop-work order Wednesday on 6FNE's "Dark Knight" indoor roller coaster project. The problem, according to Zoning Board members, is that 6FNE has yet to fulfill the conditions that were placed on the special permit issued by the board for the project. Those conditions involved the state statutes relative to structural and safety conditions. One issue is getting engineer-certified plans that outline the fire suppression system to the state and city building officials. 6F President Larry D. Litton, who attended yesterday's meeting, said afterward that the company expects to have the plans by the end of next week and will be able to get them to the proper authorities within 2 weeks, which will allow them to proceed with the building. Litton said he does not think the acceptance of the plans will be a problem. "We're using the best engineers, the best builders in the country," he said. 6F is building the same sort of indoor coaster in Chicago and New Jersey, but no such problems have arisen there, Litton said. "The state of Massachusetts is being a little more proactive in trying to monitor the project," he said. Litton said 6F proceeded with construction at its own risk, believing that the certified plans would be finished and acceptable. 6F was not trying to carry out the work surreptitiously, he said. "You could see the cranes from Main Street," Litton said. If the conditions could not be met, the company would have had to tear down the building. "We had put together a tight timeline," he said. The project faced some unexpected delays, so the work began, he said. It's critical for the company to have the ride built and operating by Memorial Day, Litton said. "It's a huge investment for us," he said. He figures the project will cost between $7-$8 million. 6F officials were not surprised at the outcome of yesterday's meeting, Litton said. "We're disappointed," he said. But the delay won't be a huge problem, Litton said. "It's a bump in the road," he said. Zoning Board member Gary E. Suffriti said that the board and building inspector are not trying to tie up 6FNE since the amusement park has been a good neighbor to the city. Still, city officials need to follow the proper procedures, he said. "We've got to be fair to everybody in this town," he said. Zoning Board Chairwoman Doreen A. Prouty said the city's building inspector had done the right thing in issuing the stop-work order. "Nick Urbinati did a terrific job," she said. ------------- =A92008 MassLive LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 07:32:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20813 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2008 15:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2008 15:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2008 15:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2008 15:32:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Parking rules face fine-tuning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_SW3U4cCotdW5vPCMj4e5LIWFgDBVu2hnA4WRPpfglFJcKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 27, 2008 The Republican http://www.masslive.com/news/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-10/12041004071= 13010.xml&coll=3D1 By David Bergengren AGAWAM, MA -- 2 City Council subcommittees worked last night to fine-tune the city's zoning ordinance into a tool for regulating commercial parking, with members saying they hoped to have a proposal ready for the council by the time Six Flags New England (6FNE) opens in April. Members of the Zoning and Ordinance subcommittees agreed that a previous proposal made by Councilor Robert Rossi - to increase the fine for violators from $100 a day to $100 per car per day - was too severe and should be reduced, perhaps to $50 per car per day. The subcommittees are seeking a mechanism to regulate commercial parking in the wake of City Council's Nov. 19 repeal of a much-criticized parking ordinance. The ordinance - drafted to ensure public safety, officials said - required those who want to use their property for temporary parking to pay $250 for a 2-year permit from the Zoning Board of Appeals. Residents and business owners complained the ordinance unfairly restricted commercial parking, particularly near 6FNE and the Big E, which attract huge crowds. The Nov. 19 repeal left a void some officials have said could make the city liable in the event of a parking-related injury or death. Zoning Subcommittee Chairwoman Jill Messick said the idea is to strike a balance between protecting residents who have to deal with people parking near 6FNE or the Big E and not unduly inconveniencing others, or abridging the rights of parking lot owners to park cars for the 2 venues. "Obviously this is not an easy thing to do," said Messick, who met Monday with City Solicitor Christopher Johnson about the issue. Neighboring West Springfield has an "extremely simple" parking ordinance that seems to work well there, she said. Messick said Johnson outlined a simpler parking ordinance the city might consider taking a look at, but so far the 2 subcommittees are sticking with the approach they decided on earlier this month, to use and strengthen the city's current zoning ordinance rather than draft a new parking law. Parking complaints need to be handled on a case-by-case basis, said Ordinance Subcommittee Chairman Donald Rheault. "If there's no complaint, there's no case," said Rheault, who said sticking with the zoning ordinance to regulate parking would mean violations would be zoning, not parking, violations. ------------ =A92008 MassLive LLC. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 17:11:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82637 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2008 01:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2008 01:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2008 01:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 01:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 01:11:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:11:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: PR: Six Flags Flies Audiences to the Moon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=BSauDzMX8am-PsYkrA2YRnIGzKtFObKciN0jsg32-aCB8vg_LXAk X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- NO MORE SPONGEBOB?!?!?!?!..the very NERVE! I'll give the new one a shot though..once, anyway... Mike=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 06:33:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83344 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2008 14:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2008 14:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2008 14:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 14:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 14:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 14:33:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:33:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Six Flags recognized by iParenting Media X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bspU-qmyJDdPnUFxLJkU1FWm9EwVc_WAPMplliAegMTWkrc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 8, 2008 SixFlags.com http://www.sixflags.com/national/footerNav/news_iParent.aspx New York, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. (6F) today announced that its Holiday in the Park=99 event at 6F Over Texas in Arlington, TX, 6F Fiesta Texas in San Antonio, TX and 6F Discovery Kingdom in Vallejo, CA, along with the 6F Storytime Series, an original book series based on the California park's animal population, have been named Best Products of 2008 by iParenting Media. Holiday in the Park=99 is an end-of-year family event featuring themed shows, millions of twinkling lights, seasonal food and festive d=E9cor. First created at 6F Over Texas in 1985, the event was expanded to include Fiesta Texas and Discovery Kingdom in 2007. The offering at Discovery Kingdom featured the world's largest cut Christmas tree - a magnificent 125' tall Douglas fir. "Holiday in the Park is about creating a fantasyland, where candy canes, and giant-sized toys come to life," said Carol Silver, 6F Corporate Director of Entertainment and Marketing. "The holidays are such a magical time of year - the sights, the sounds, the nostalgia - and this event was created to enrich those warm feelings and wonderful memories for guests of all ages."=20 The 6F Storytime Series is an 8-book collection based on some of the land and sea animals that make their home at 6F Discovery Kingdom.=20 "The purpose of the series was 2-fold; to provide children with educational facts about animal life and to hopefully pass along a few life lessons," said Silver who also authored the series. "A follow-up Storytime Series will be released later this year featuring the animals from 6F Great Adventure Wild Safari in Jackson, NJ - the largest drive-through safari outside of Africa. Winners of the iParenting Media Awards Best Products of 2008 included items ranging from high-tech toys, safety gear and educational software to helpful books, audio CDs and Websites. Award-winning products were selected based on their fun value, product quality, ease of use, play duration, educational nature and uniqueness, among other criteria. Hundreds of products were submitted for judging in 20 categories. Added Silver: "We're extremely honored to be recognized by iParenting Media. These awards symbolize that our parks and our products are resonating with families. The 6F mission is to create memories and experiences that last a lifetime." -------------- Six Flags Theme Parks Inc. =AE, TM and =A9 2007 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 06:41:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28119 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2008 14:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2008 14:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2008 14:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 14:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 14:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 14:41:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:40:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Busch Special Anouncement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RSN9pP1XyYz1stpnd1QnSAb18UmN568JC_p9FrUqz2b5vrM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Busch Entertainment Corporation has a Pod-Cast set for this morning (February 28th) @ 11AM EST. http://www.videonewswire.com/event.asp?id=3D46345 -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 06:48:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27519 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2008 14:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2008 14:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2008 14:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 14:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 14:48:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:48:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Aquatica Opens March 1st X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YOHt_S_XryXrZucREi5MUhYAW63f4xuizmgOdnbqmPVU3Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Just in Case you anted to go for Opening day! -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Aquatica Location: Aquatica is located across the street from SeaWorld Orlando Physical Address 5800 water play Way Orlando, FL 32821 Admission: All children must be accompanied by an adult. * Adult - $38.95 plus tax * Children ages 3-9 - $32.95 plus tax * Children ages 2 and younger - Free Park Hours: Aquatica will open year round at 10a.m. daily; 9a.m. during peak seasons. Tollbooths open 1 hour prior to park open. Closing hours vary by season. Aquatica will be closed select Mondays and Tuesday in November and December. Park Hours for March 2008 * 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. March 1-14 * 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. March 15-31 Parking: * Car or camper $10 * RV $12 * Preferred $15 * Pass Member Preferred $7 Amenities: * Dining facilities throughout the park offer a variety of delights * Aquatica will have several different dining options including an all-you-can-eat restaurant and healthy alternatives. * Gift shops feature a wide selection of brand-name sportswear, beachwear and other "must-have" summer items * Beach and picnic areas * Lockers, showers and changing areas * Nursing mother's station * Cabanas available for rental Smoking Policy: For the comfort and safety of all of our guests, smoking is permitted in the park in designated smoking areas only. These designated areas are conveniently located throughout the park and are clearly marked on park maps. Water Safety: * More then 100 certified lifeguards supervise water attractions and activities * A first-aid station staffed by emergency medical technicians and a registered nurse Coolers: No coolers are permitted at Aquatica. Glass and alcoholic beverages are not permitted to enter the park. Guests with coolers may enjoy unlimited access to our picnic pavilion located outside the entrance. Handicap Accessibility: Aquatica is committed to providing a comfortable experience for all of our guests. The wave pool beaches are sand; however, the remainder of the park has paved pathways. All rivers and family attractions have beach entries (no steps). The park has 5 attractions designed with towers that do require stair climbing. The stairs are accessible by current ADA guidelines. Sand wheelchairs will be available for rental (first-come, first-served). Guests may reserve wheelchairs on-line prior to their visit. ------------ =A9 2008 Busch Entertainment Corporation From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 07:09:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20669 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2008 15:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2008 15:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2008 15:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 15:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 15:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2008 15:09:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:09:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Buy 1Day at Busch Gardens Europe get all Summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=HgIt6RzclWhdKlUZWXxa62ueDcBjTXDzJTSYGC2RR8SIZDg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/19/2008 Busch Gardens Europe http://www.buschgardens.com/bgw/ftp_press_releases_details.aspx?ID=3D301 WILLIAMSBURG, VA -- 17 nights of concerts, 2 full gardening weekends and 4 days with Busch Gardens' (BG) celebrity animal ambassadors are just a few of the can't-miss special events taking place at Busch Gardens Europe (BGE) this season. With so much going on, BGE offers something for everyone. And with the BG Fun Card, VA residents can pay for a day and experience it all this spring and summer. For the single-day admission price of $56.95, VA residents get unlimited visits to BGE through Sept. 1 and admission to exciting concerts, special animal encounters and gardening weekends. VA residents can purchase Fun Cards online at buschgardens.com/va or by calling (800) 343-7946. BGE's 2008 season begins March 21. BGE's exciting event series for the spring and summer include: =95Ready, Set, GROW! (April 19=9620, April 26=9627) These interactive gardening weekends feature workshops, demonstrations, tips & tricks from top area landscapers. Guests can be a part of the grand opening celebration of a new landscaping shop, The Garden Gate, in the England section of the park. "Ready, Set, GROW!" is sponsored by Sta-Green =A9. =95 Glory at the Gardens (May 4, 11 & 18) BGs' contemporary Christian concert series. 12 Christian artists, including Third Day, Mark Schultz and Natalie Grant, will perform over 3 consecutive Sundays in May. =95 Wild Days with Jack Hanna, Julie Scardina and Ginny Busch (May 31 =96 June 1, June 7=968) Interact with animals from BG and SeaWorld parks and meet popular animal experts. Learn simple but important ways to protect wild animals and their habitats. =95 Summer Nights Concert Series (July 19=9620, 26=9627, Aug. 2=963, 9=9610= , 16=96 17) This popular concert series is back and better than ever with an amazing lineup of musicians, including performances by Peter Frampton, The Charlie Daniels Band and Rick Springfield. =95 Sock Hop Nights (Aug. 23=9624, Aug. 30=9631) Guests can take a trip bac= k to the golden age of rock and roll and watch the King of Twist, Chubby Checker, perform at the Royal Palace Theatre. The following weekend, The Four Tops will sing their classic songs. With more than 1.4 million riders in just 6 months, Griffon has taken BGE by storm. Guests can experience the rush and adrenaline of riding the world's tallest and first floorless dive coaster when BG season begins March 21. -------------- =A9 2008 Busch Entertainment Corporation From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Feb 28 13:40:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70604 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2008 21:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2008 21:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2008 21:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JUqUR-0003DQ-K5 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:40:31 -0500 Message-ID: <47C7299C.1030905@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:37:32 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478360a6c8e3632eb6026c1153ded52aee6efd846ba56664870350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Aquatica Opens March 1st X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=USw1FxFIKbgh_9_baW6vEUzo1TvAGJmgdqC1CcdHVzvCUX0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Soon as we can get an operating vehicle again (which might take a while at this rate) and a bit of warm weather, we'll be over there. I'll be sure to get a TR done when we do. Would have gone this weekend, regardless, but both cars dying permanent deaths kind of put the kibosh on that. :( keep on ridin' George Alan wrote: > > > Just in Case you anted to go for Opening day! > -Alan > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Aquatica From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Feb 28 15:32:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97239 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2008 23:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2008 23:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.240.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2008 23:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080228233202.ODFN11832.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:32:02 -0500 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.81.42]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id vBT21Y00H0umvfo0000000; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:27:03 -0500 To: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:31:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ach6Yhy9aB3QEG71SkasIRwRhYtiVA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080228233202.ODFN11832.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Construction/ ride removal at Frontier City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=8Qs5BC04pru1Df1MLcSpkgo8r4_AqK4kPAL0Wt2QB-Rb9uPk_JkDnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frontier City in Oklahoma City, my home park, seems to be up to something for this season. They have removed the swing ride, called Swinging Six Guns, and are removing the platform where the Tomahawk (Vekoma air jumper if I remember correctly) was. Their billboard is saying "this summer the ground drops out". For those of you not familiar with Frontier City the Tomahawk was just north of the swings with a set of bathrooms (1 of only 3 in the park) separating them. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 18:30:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66537 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 02:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 02:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 02:30:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63131 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Feb 2008 02:30:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qjdAzHwVM1lp50eD5pDZCNUECdhCULyyDSB2jFEK7V_hKYhT4ppT.rSjafQITOx82_h8QoBBx.Z3Jlxn187cMgeJRnRXWVeKvtHR5Qaox.NDcjCPL_07.uJGww628AGufPKTX5JvGf3KZ7g- X-Received: from [72.70.239.213] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:30:19 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:30:19 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1204141373.2499.33737.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <632001.61712.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: PR: Six Flags Flies Audiences to the Moon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=zB_omWwmIM8wBj1tzZZQifQE4rbybwrk_Ya8JTNIVYB0nOY-SHU- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The fact based fictional film follows 3 teenaged flies on an incredible adventure as they become part of history - stowing away inside the space helmets of Commanders Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins on the Apollo 11 mission that marked America's first manned landing on the moon. < This sounds really really bizarre. But at least it's a family attraction! Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 18:34:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21040 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 02:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 02:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 02:34:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75291 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Feb 2008 02:34:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f1H_.i8VM1kRdOJy6nMuJHq4qMM5Jm3R3fbyy_I.XgvcGPrcjAmrrL44sCnplRbuJg-- X-Received: from [72.70.239.213] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:34:37 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:34:37 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1204141373.2499.33737.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <942752.74311.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Parking rules face fine-tuning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=X6bhp-1I30DAhEfQSy4d75zFiMFF151HxIikB6t96Q8HphUcu4b- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Members of the Zoning and Ordinance subcommittees agreed that a previous proposal made by Councilor Robert Rossi - to increase the fine for violators from $100 a day to $100 per car per day - was too severe and should be reduced, perhaps to $50 per car per day. < Interesting. After the complaints during the Eastern States Exposition, the council was planning to rescind their parking bans. Looks like they're a bit greedy. > The ordinance - drafted to ensure public safety, officials said - < Ummm, no. They were drafted to ensure higher profits for Six Flags. > The Nov. 19 repeal left a void some officials have said could make the city liable in the event of a parking-related injury or death. < Oh really? How? The parking would take place on private property, not city-owned property. What a bunch of hoowee. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 18:44:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78327 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 02:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 02:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 02:44:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51243 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Feb 2008 02:44:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YANJozIVM1mU6VL.Uf.twXwEbGYGCjXsPq1ZCnV1W8Y1fgqlbR_s_GLBw8ckDI_r3A-- X-Received: from [72.70.239.213] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:44:37 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:44:37 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1204221889.2506.28083.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=RZwKAjDY0QSgFFYoesl6eTFP5F-FkXEFjz2_GXTXE5B6NJmyDRwT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well by now most of you probably heard that Busch is building four parks in Dubai. It seems like more and more companies -- especially amusement companies -- are partnering with the United Arab Emirates. What are some reactions you have? Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 18:45:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84188 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 02:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 02:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 02:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 02:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 02:45:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:45:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <632001.61712.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: PR: Six Flags Flies Audiences to the Moon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=bh2vMXMCRcE6jlhKwkSPbUt_KlgrDWVY4WWMrbDekahcoavxe6wP X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > The fact based fictional film follows 3 teenaged flies on an > incredible adventure as they become part of history - stowing away > inside the space helmets of Commanders Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins > on the Apollo 11 mission that marked America's first manned landing=20 on > the moon. < >=20 > This sounds really really bizarre. But at least it's a family=20 attraction! >=20 > Jay My favorite part is that it's "fact based!" What'd the film makers=20 do...interview the flies? Mike >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu Feb 28 21:32:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66080 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 05:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 05:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-101.bluehost.com) (69.89.22.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 05:32:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17874 invoked by uid 0); 29 Feb 2008 05:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by outboundmail3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 05:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JUxqh-0004ZZ-7d for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:31:59 -0700 Message-Id: <32B16DA1-4E1F-40F3-A8EF-8C2661BE99B0@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:31:58 -0500 References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:popbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 69.89.22.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=iYXku8QhAG-TIp-mZtkEDy1Po4-8-zNa8Nirv8udbwWe2OHBFDyO X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Well by now most of you probably heard that Busch is building four > parks in Dubai. It seems like more and more companies -- especially > amusement companies -- are partnering with the United Arab > Emirates. What are some reactions you have? I think its a terrible investment... Dubai seems like its trying too hard to be New York City/Orlando 2.0, which would be hilarious if I wasn't so perplexed by the amount of money being invested into it. I think by the time everything is built, the little market that was there to begin with will have completely dried up. Mike From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 21:38:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11761 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 05:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 05:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 05:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 05:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 05:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 05:38:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:38:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32B16DA1-4E1F-40F3-A8EF-8C2661BE99B0@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=s1zmy_SFhzdaJlvaK_e6tR0v8KUvsJy43VLM_rl0YkxQoaAKeA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone=20 wrote: > > > Well by now most of you probably heard that Busch is building four=20=20 > > parks in Dubai. It seems like more and more companies --=20 especially=20=20 > > amusement companies -- are partnering with the United Arab=20=20 > > Emirates. What are some reactions you have? >=20 > I think its a terrible investment... Dubai seems like its trying too=20=20 > hard to be New York City/Orlando 2.0, which would be hilarious if I=20=20 > wasn't so perplexed by the amount of money being invested into it.=20=20 I=20=20 > think by the time everything is built, the little market that was=20=20 > there to begin with will have completely dried up. >=20 > Mike Um, I've been there, Mike. It was a huge city the first time I went=20 nearly 14 years ago. It's only gotten bigger and bigger each time I've=20 been back. Even after I get out of the Navy in a few years, I would=20 like to see it again.=20 I suspect that BEC actually has very little to lose from this venture,=20 and a whole lot to gain. Most of the cash is likely being fronted by=20 the partner, not Busch.=20 Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Feb 29 04:45:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96436 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 12:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 12:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 12:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JV4c1-000831-G6 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:45:17 -0500 Message-ID: <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:42:19 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478360a6c8e3632eb60bc3fc77f118dbac19c3ce4b2acdb45fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=_1Y12jJHD2YGdbRnuPempy2kpx2yTyk_0mgPeHhv9NDpqks X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > Well by now most of you probably heard that Busch is building four parks > in Dubai. It seems like more and more companies -- especially amusement > companies -- are partnering with the United Arab Emirates. What are some > reactions you have? > > Jay Somebody really wants to compete with Orlando! :) They've now got commitments to build the equivalent of both Universal parks, as well as the 4 Busch Florida parks, in place now, plus Dubai world, which is, as I recall, another huge theme park development. I guess I'm just curious as to how it's all going to work out with all of the Islamic cultural restrictions that seem to happen. Are they going to have enforced women and children only days like some Arabic parks, or will it be more typical of the rest of the world in that regard? I'm wondering what kind of dress codes they'll have. That will be fascinating to me. The one things that concerns me a bit, though, is the amount of land reshaping they're going to be doing. If you've seen the pictures of the Busch development, they're going to be building a huge man-made landmass that is going to stick out from the coaster that's going to look like a giant flower, enclosed by 4 other islands forming a circles, and finally the whale-shaped island that the four parks will be on that by itself will be several hundred acres. That can't be good for the coastline, environment, and all that. Y'all know that I'm not a major environmental activist, but this seems like a major change to a large area that really has me wondering if they're looking at the long term effects of it on the area. But then at the same time I'm also caught with the kid in me saying that it looks really cool and I want to go. It'll certainly be interesting to see how it all develops and works out. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Feb 29 04:52:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46712 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 12:52:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 12:52:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 12:52:17 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JV4ik-0000k1-3h for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:52:14 -0500 Message-ID: <47C7FF4A.2050005@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:49:14 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478360a6c8e3632eb60b920d5ca7d48e7bc747ea7a411f36edc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Six Flags Flies Audiences to the Moon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=02HflnM2sAAt4ikqbMylF_mMWu207byj144eAmJ8K8Rg150 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike Gallagher wrote: > > > The fact based fictional film follows 3 teenaged flies on an > > incredible adventure as they become part of history - stowing away > > inside the space helmets of Commanders Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins > > on the Apollo 11 mission that marked America's first manned landing > on > > the moon. < > > My favorite part is that it's "fact based!" What'd the film makers > do...interview the flies? > I think they're saying that just because, while the flies are fictional, the Apollo mission to the moon is a real event that they're using as the background. Rather than "fact based fiction" I think most of us would call it historical fiction- a fictional story placed in a historical, fact based time or event that really happened. Yeah, the way they put it is funny. keep on ridin' George From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Feb 29 05:48:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68705 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 13:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 13:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-105.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 13:48:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25429 invoked by uid 0); 29 Feb 2008 13:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by outboundmail3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 13:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JV5bI-0001nm-H0 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:48:37 -0700 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:48:31 -0500 References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:popbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 69.89.18.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=97ix5gblCIJNYWxb4EahrOO-HjdhnxXtUIJCIwlSm81flyJj8zHJ X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> I think its a terrible investment... Dubai seems like its trying too >> hard to be New York City/Orlando 2.0, which would be hilarious if I >> wasn't so perplexed by the amount of money being invested into it. > I >> think by the time everything is built, the little market that was >> there to begin with will have completely dried up. >> >> Mike > > Um, I've been there, Mike. It was a huge city the first time I went > nearly 14 years ago. It's only gotten bigger and bigger each time I've > been back. Even after I get out of the Navy in a few years, I would > like to see it again. That's exactly my point... I don't think the kind of growth they're doing over there is sustainable. Not sure if it's companies or the government over there, but someone is pumping a lot of money into the area. Once that flow starts stops, will the area be able to support itself? I don't think it will be, certainly not the amusement parks. I'm not really sure what audience they're trying to appeal to. Is there a big audience in that region for amusement parks? I'd be interested to see figures for WDW in terms of international visitors -- I bet 80-90%+ are from the U.S... and in the U.S., you can get tickets up and down most of the east coast to Orlando for like 80$ on JetBlue or other low cost carriers. Then the parks make a ton of money off of you. If Dubai is going for the U.S. audience, people will need to fly on a really long, probably expensive flight, to another country, on huge planes filled with kids. I don't see many people doing that, and the ones who do will probably be half broke by the time they fly a family of four out there. I think over the next decade or so, there's going to be a little more focus on staying close to home anyways because of costs and other things. To me, Dubai seems like the new person that comes to your town with lots of money, with plans to build this amazing new breakfast restaurant and make lots of money. Then they build it, and 3 people show up... so it's forced to close down after 10 months. > I suspect that BEC actually has very little to lose from this venture, > and a whole lot to gain. Most of the cash is likely being fronted by > the partner, not Busch. Thats what one of the articles I read said.. Busch is just licensing stuff. > The one things that concerns me a bit, though, is the amount of land > reshaping they're going to be doing. If you've seen the pictures of > the > Busch development, they're going to be building a huge man-made > landmass > that is going to stick out from the coaster that's going to look > like a > giant flower, enclosed by 4 other islands forming a circles, and > finally > the whale-shaped island that the four parks will be on that by itself > will be several hundred acres. That can't be good for the coastline, > environment, and all that. I never really thought about that. But I think relative to the amount of damage we're doing to the environment in other areas, it's not even noticeable. Mike ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 06:03:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29989 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 14:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 14:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.251) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 14:03:07 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so829493anc.78 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:03:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.58.2 with SMTP id g2mr19392960ana.29.1204293787067; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:03:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.13.10 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:03:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0802290603r444dda3dya11211dc79a7a69e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:03:07 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Zc_If_mHgKR2OPxhTuNfRFlotQXPxXn2Fd0Wfe8UtWVrYMI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska > That's exactly my point... I don't think the kind of growth they're > doing over there is sustainable. Not sure if it's companies or the > government over there, but someone is pumping a lot of money into the > area. Once that flow starts stops, will the area be able to support > itself? I don't think it will be, certainly not the amusement parks. > It's my understanding that Dubai is an extremely wealthy country, but that wealth comes from a quickly drying up oil deposit. The prince of Dubai decided to spend billions and billions of dollars transforming from an oil economy into an entertainment and tourism driven country. If you look into the other things aside from amusement parks that are being built there (including the worlds tallest sky scraper, which while still 100 or so floors from completion is a very dominating structure, and the worlds only 6 star hotel). I think this is actually a very smart economic move by dubai, especially with how well the EU has been doing financially. The main problem with Dubai is the general anxiety that people have over traveling into the middle east. I hope this place finds a way to make people feel really secure while there, because if not this project will be a huge failure. -Mike From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 06:08:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26574 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 14:08:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 14:08:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 14:08:23 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so5385246wah.4 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:08:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.254.1 with SMTP id b1mr11428917wai.140.1204294102790; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:08:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.240.7 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:08:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <165816ef0802290608h44a1740cpae22d2510e5b5c77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:08:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=hFdIzVKJJ0WFAcq0rUyTwHHJ_ZSnA-mvfKvoXmG7dWyXu0g X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Responding to two points here: "They've now got commitments to build the equivalent of both Universal parks, as well as the 4 Busch Florida parks, in place now, plus Dubai world, which is, as I recall, another huge theme park development. I guess I'm just curious as to how it's all going to work out with all of the Islamic cultural restrictions that seem to happen. Are they going to have enforced women and children only days like some Arabic parks, or will it be more typical of the rest of the world in that regard? I'm wondering what kind of dress codes they'll have. That will be fascinating to me." My guess is that there will be little-to-no splitting of genders and clothing restrictions. During my visit there last summer I saw people in traditional clothing walking down the street next to people in Western wear. In fact, the only restrictions I saw in my (admittedly short) visit was the bars. My hotel bar was split in two, with one half being for alcohol, pork, and smoking while the other half had none of it. I think the interesting thing will be what happens in the waterparks. "If Dubai is going for the U.S. audience, people will need to fly on a really long, probably expensive flight, to another country, on huge planes filled with kids. I don't see many people doing that, and the ones who do will probably be half broke by the time they fly a family of four out there. I think over the next decade or so, there's going to be a little more focus on staying close to home anyways because of costs and other things." Dubai really doesn't need a US audience at all. Their primary target is Europeans. They generally have a lot more dedicated vacation time that they taken than the average American does. Plus, with the dollar sucking gigantically, the Euro is a very powerful currency right now. From Europe it is generally a 6-8 hour flight, which is what Europeans are used to flying to come to the US. The U.A.E. also has a secondary market of Japan, which still gets a good exchange (but has less vacation) and a select few new money people from China. The general concept is not to bring people to the country or city, but to bring them to a complex, really a lot like Disney. For people interested F1 Racing they will go to the F1 race track, possibly see a race, go shopping, pay to drive race cars and go to the amusement park. The bulk of the other attractions, especially in Dubailand, are built like this. LOS (length of stay) on a single property or a few shared ones is the driving force behind their model. Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 07:18:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13217 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 15:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 15:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 15:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:18:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:18:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0802290603r444dda3dya11211dc79a7a69e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=E3ezyFu0HdEsKmYiYf0w1AU4eFfi8jV-flLZTSf9gBO6sNg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Thank-you Mike. At least I'm not the only person who has been following Middle-Eastern Politics. I've been watching Dubai for many years now. They are very rich country -- at the moment. Fortunately for them, someone has seen into the future, when their oil reserves run dry, and asked the question, "Now what?". And now we all know what. Don't forget about the commitments from DreamWorks, Universal, Marvel Entertainment, Nickelodeon, Paramount, and Sega. Not to mention (but I will anyway!) that the IAAPA is having their First Middle-East Conference. Obviously somebody(s) is taking them seriously. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" wrote: > It's my understanding that Dubai is an extremely wealthy country, but > that wealth comes from a quickly drying up oil deposit. The prince of > Dubai decided to spend billions and billions of dollars transforming > from an oil economy into an entertainment and tourism driven country. > If you look into the other things aside from amusement parks that are > being built there (including the worlds tallest sky scraper, which > while still 100 or so floors from completion is a very dominating > structure, and the worlds only 6 star hotel). I think this is > actually a very smart economic move by dubai, especially with how well > the EU has been doing financially. The main problem with Dubai is the > general anxiety that people have over traveling into the middle east. > I hope this place finds a way to make people feel really secure while > there, because if not this project will be a huge failure. >=20 > -Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 07:36:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21797 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 15:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 15:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 15:36:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:36:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:36:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:36:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:36:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 'The Rocket' rides again in Ocean View X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z5Kd1QAdNuNKDOQEWmsoMe0dG1a62tAcP29xOuXK8mzTW-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 28, 2008 The Virginian-Pilot http://hamptonroads.com/node/455817 By Diane Tennant NORFOLK, VA -- The Bage boys had their hands in their pockets as they stood by the roller-coaster car in the salvage yard, waiting for the trash hauler to arrive. "I painted the name on the front," said Larry Bage, who is really a sculptor. "I used to paint signs." White letters rimmed with black, surrounded by a flourish, read, "The Rocket." "I got one of the last rides," said Larry's nephew, Michael. "I was in the front, standing up. Daredevil!" That was a little before the Ocean View Amusement Park (OV) roller coaster was scheduled to blow up on cue for the ABC Movie of the Week, "The Death of Ocean View Park," but it had actually died several months earlier, in September 1978, when the park closed. 4 of the auctioned cars ended up at Imperial Construction Co., beside the railroad tracks off 21st Street, rusting and rotting and ruined. The Bage boys stood, hunched up against the cold wind, and looked at the car. "The sun shining off it, it's radiant," Larry said. "It's beautiful," Michael said. The K & N Hauling & Son truck pulled up outside the chain-link fence. "Trash Removal" was painted on the cab. A roll-on container was winched to the ground. Carefully, Michael maneuvered a fork-lift under the coaster and carried it to the street. "How heavy is it?" Ken Strother asked. "About 1,500 pounds," Michael said. "I like moving a little piece of history," Strother said. "I was thinking it would be cool to whip over to the side of the road where the park was and put it back where it used to be, for just a second." The wood ramp into the container bowed as the coaster was pushed aboard. "Better chock it," Michael advised. Strother and his crew nailed boards before and behind the coaster's wheels, then tied it down. They closed the tailgate and winched the container back on the truck. Michael pushed against the coaster's back end as though he could keep it from stubbing against the tailgate as the container tipped up. Strother eased the truck around the corner of 21st onto Colley Avenue and gained a little speed down the incline of the railroad underpass. The truck rolled up the other side, pushed by inertia, the way the coaster cars used to run when the ride was called Sky Rocket and stood 90'-tall, back when it was new, in 1928. Strother cornered right onto 26th, then left onto Monticello, gaining speed but never reaching the 50 mph the coaster once achieved. He passed DePaul Medical Center, where injuries are healed. He passed rows of blue recycling bins in Northside, where garbage gets a second chance. He pulled into the parking lot in front of the Pretlow Branch Library in Ocean View and parked the truck. A small crowd was waiting, snapping pictures and reminiscing about riding The Rocket. The coaster rolled easily down the ramp, through the double doors and into the new Ocean View Station Museum. "Looks good, don't it?" Larry said, modestly proud of the restoration work that he and his brother and his nephew had done, sandblasting decades of rust off the metal carriage, replacing the wooden sides and the padded seats and the nuts and bolts and paint. People climbed in to have their pictures taken, museum supporters and city councilmen and Rose Brothers Williams and her husband, Don, who paid for the restoration. The roller coaster once had a sign that warned "Do Not Stand Up!" That will go in the museum, too. The car posed for pictures as the exhibit centerpiece, surrounded by memorabilia from the park. Larry took his hands out of his pockets. With the rescued car at last safe and sound, he raised both hands above his head - Do not stand up! Daredevil! - and laughed. ------------ =A9 1993-2008, HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com | HamptonRoads.tv From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 07:41:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85547 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 15:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 15:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.184) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 15:41:56 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so2463942rvb.51 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:41:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.34.12 with SMTP id m12mr6460908rvj.26.1204299715875; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:41:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:41:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:41:55 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=bZuAnWw6XsfcFJwxiROG6xdd0KeKgYyUp6eC8OJz9ERIJiR49M2ztsM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I'm not really sure what audience they're trying to appeal to. Is > there a big audience in that region for amusement parks? I'd be > interested to see figures for WDW in terms of international visitors > -- I bet 80-90%+ are from the U.S... I *highly* doubt that. Anyone who has ever visited WDW and paid attention would know that a lot more than 10% of the crowd is made up of international visitors. And Orlando isn't the world's top travel destination, you know. I think Adam hit the nail on the head here. Dubai isn't catering to US visitors, it's aiming for Europeans have more vacation time, are more apt to use it, and are frankly more likely to visit that a US citizen. It'll be interesting to see how many of these parks actually get built. How many have been announced now? Ten? More? Though I'm sure Dubai will be able to pull some of this off, I'm a little skeptical that the area will be able to support 10+ major amusement parks. I guess we'll see. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 07:42:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8320 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 15:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 15:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 15:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:42:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:42:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: PA Agriculture Dept Hosts Ride Safety Seminar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Wc9p_4buxLnHSUdzh4UrkZ5wKKVnga04kR7CYK0ITkiMKTs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2/27/2008 Safety Online http://www.safetyonline.com/content/news/article.asp?docid=3D38a9c6c2-7dce-= 47f8-8df9-01a06bec5324&atc~c=3D771+s=3D773+r=3D001+l=3Da&VNETCOOKIE=3DNO HARRISBURG, PA -- To ensure roller coaster thrills and haunted house chills remain fun, the PA Dept of Agriculture (DoA) is helping train more than 300 ride inspectors from across the country. The 4-day safety training course, Feb. 26-29, will be held in the Harrisburg area, said Agriculture Secretary Dennis Wolff. The course will feature workshops about all types of amusement rides, including water rides, go karts, climbing walls and roller coasters. Inspectors will also learn proper sanitation procedures, effective communication with guests and how to handle accidents. The department uses the sessions to train and license nearly 1,400 private industry inspectors. "PA is a leader in ride safety and training," said Wolff. "Interactive seminars help keep our inspectors up-to-date on the latest safety techniques, keeping ride operators and patrons safe throughout the ride season. Last year was one of the safest years on record, and we look forward to an equally safe season in 2008." Professional Amusement Ride Training Series, or PARTS, organized the seminar with the help of PA's amusement ride safety program. The program, overseen by the DoA's Bureau of Ride and Measurement Standards, inspects and registers more than 7,400 rides and attractions at the state's community fairs, carnivals and amusement parks, more than any other state or foreign country. "For the first time, this year's seminar includes an inflatable ride inspector program," said Wolff. "With the increasing popularity of inflatable rides, it is essential our inspectors are provided with current information on safety concerns and procedures that make inflatables unique from traditional amusement rides. The program is just one aspect of the ride safety program that makes PA a national example." During the inflatable ride program, more than 200 participants will have an opportunity to learn inspection techniques and regulations, including documentation, proper signage and electricity requirements. At the conclusion of the hands-on workshop, attendees will have the opportunity to practice inspecting rides and take an exam to become certified in inflatable ride inspection. This year's seminar will also highlight fire safety. Participants in the workshop, which is sponsored by the DoA, Harrisburg Area Community College and the PA Fire Academy, will have the opportunity to learn about potential fire hazards in haunted houses and other indoor attractions. The 2-day training will feature information on fire suppression systems, flame retardant methods and fire resistant materials, as well as a hands-on emergency evacuation drill at HACC. The DoA has inspected and registered amusement rides under the Amusement Ride Safety Act since 1984, and it regularly participates in education and outreach seminars that include classes and hands-on demonstrations. For more information about ride safety or the Bureau of Ride and Measurement Standards, or for a full schedule of the amusement ride safety seminar, call 717-787-6772 or visit http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us and click on "Bureaus." ------------ SOURCE: Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture Copyright =A9 1996-2008, VertMarkets, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 07:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79317 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 15:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 15:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 15:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 15:46:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:46:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man in hospital after falling from ride at Date Festival X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jogH5WX4cXvPZtqYK3Wb6p5LSlTiPfu0OEflNTP_WiHgFEE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 26, 2008 The Desert Sun http://www.mydesert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080226/EVENTS06/8022= 60312 By Angela Franzer INDIO, CA -- An Indio man remained in the hospital Monday with injuries he suffered from falling off a roller coaster track at the Riverside County Fair and National Date Festival on Friday. The man, whose identity could not be confirmed Monday, broke his leg when he allegedly fell 15' from the ride, according to Lance Moyer, manager of Butler Amusements. Moyer said the man was a temporary employee and was trained in operation and safety procedures. "He was instructed not to climb the track, and they yelled at him to get down," Moyer said. He also said the man was wearing a safety harness, but the device was unhooked. Desert Regional Medical Center officials verified that the worker was still in the facility Monday afternoon, recovering from a right femur fracture. Attempts to contact the injured man were unsuccessful. Moyer called the accident "unfortunate" and stressed nothing similar had happened in the past. "We take care of all the medical bills and worker's compensation. We will keep in contact with him and do whatever we can," Moyer said. Festival officials maintain rides at the fair are safe, citing the incident occurred because of human error, not a malfunction of the ride. Moyer said the accident was reported to the California Division of Occupational Safety and Health. Phone calls to that agency on Monday were not immediately returned. ----------- Copyright =A92007 MyDesert.com From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 08:50:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64321 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 16:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 16:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 16:50:33 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id m63so490972hsc.2 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:50:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.124.6 with SMTP id w6mr19681447anc.94.1204303832689; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:50:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.13.10 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:50:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0802290850q778656e7u90092beb7faf1750@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:50:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=yzhDlDHi8NTHvFbcdxnxWkUaWxkYVHpIgKvAHmebrcXr2og X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Keep in mind that Dubailand (the overall complex) is about equal to the size of Dubai itself. This place is going to be gigantic when it's complete, unlike anything the world has ever seen. > > It'll be interesting to see how many of these parks actually get > built. How many have been announced now? Ten? More? Though I'm > sure Dubai will be able to pull some of this off, I'm a little > skeptical that the area will be able to support 10+ major amusement > parks. I guess we'll see. > > -Nate > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 09:23:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85208 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 17:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 17:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.226) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 17:23:45 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c38so6234805wra.16 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:23:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.193.16 with SMTP id q16mr5851606rvf.109.1204305824400; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:23:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:23:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:23:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0802290850q778656e7u90092beb7faf1750@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0802290850q778656e7u90092beb7faf1750@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=9DikN2oYLZgRs1iwh_ploTwYF2yZBXB1mHO8enDsEzkn1EnEntGKXeg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Keep in mind that Dubailand (the overall complex) is about equal to > the size of Dubai itself. This place is going to be gigantic when > it's complete, unlike anything the world has ever seen. Oh, I certainly understand the infrastructure of this place is huge. When I questioned whether Dubai could support so many parks, I was referring to its ability to attract enough people to keep all those places in business, not its ability to physically handle those parks. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri Feb 29 10:04:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26006 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 18:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 18:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta06.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 18:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F6C1C8D0 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:52:30 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47c7cfa9.39ad1 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:52:29 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHyEZd/DnSeAIAAAAB,ba5ed0e045a9b2787a9bb1846002bc6c Message-ID: <8CDC97A5D4D84D609F9CF7D206FCA0AB@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0802290850q778656e7u90092beb7faf1750@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=LJFqZRPIEK1nygPYXxQhWK25Xst9lH5oS2mjO6htwYn06y8OEdRBrHOgKA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Oh, I certainly understand the infrastructure of this place is huge. When I questioned whether Dubai could support so many parks, I was referring to its ability to attract enough people to keep all those places in business, not its ability to physically handle those parks.<< Actually, I'm kind of interested in finding out just how they are going to STAFF all these parks and attractions. It's one thing to staff stores, hotels and restaurants, but the number of people you need to staff year-round theme park operations can be anywhere from 2,000 to 6,000 depending on the size of the park and when we're talking about the sheer number of parks that will be openening over the next 2-5 years in Dubai... just where are they going to get all that staffing from? I noticed that at the Busch announcement the head of Nakheel mentioned they were already willing to accept transfer requests from Busch employees in the US, which is kind of funny considering how many US based parks are already forced to fill their labor pools with international worker programs. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 10:30:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63512 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 18:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 18:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.225) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 18:30:16 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so6428684wra.23 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:30:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.88.3 with SMTP id q3mr6613548rvl.94.1204309816231; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:30:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:30:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:30:16 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CDC97A5D4D84D609F9CF7D206FCA0AB@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0802290850q778656e7u90092beb7faf1750@mail.gmail.com> <8CDC97A5D4D84D609F9CF7D206FCA0AB@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=PobglgPuL9pf07S8fESnprkTqlE-lTt4kV4Jd68P6Yb0B5ezvT-Q0VM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I noticed that at the Busch announcement the head of Nakheel mentioned they > were already willing to accept transfer requests from Busch employees in the > US, which is kind of funny considering how many US based parks are already > forced to fill their labor pools with international worker programs. I highly doubt they were referring to seasonal employees when they were offering to grant transfer requests. That would more likely apply to full-time employees (managers, supervisors, etc). I'm sure they'll staff these Dubai parks the same way other parks all over the world are staffed - international workers. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Feb 29 10:34:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89275 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 18:34:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 18:34:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ag-out-0708.google.com) (72.14.246.240) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 18:34:09 -0000 X-Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 35so10436111aga.10 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:34:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr11965078wai.33.1204310048413; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:34:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.240.7 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:34:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <165816ef0802291034p62ed81c7hc5c19e4ecd141e32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:34:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0802290850q778656e7u90092beb7faf1750@mail.gmail.com> <8CDC97A5D4D84D609F9CF7D206FCA0AB@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.246.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=BlmRnVZQ1_tZj98VOozIvbwj_LcomMTyKICWe3DyuubaOek X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I'm sure they'll staff these Dubai parks the same way other parks all > over the world are staffed - international workers. Yeah, I believe that most of the people building the parks (and everything else there) are Pakistani and Indian, so from what little I have been told a lot of similar workers will be staffing the rides once the parks open. Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 10:37:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46404 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 18:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 18:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 18:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 18:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 18:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 18:37:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:37:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0802290603r444dda3dya11211dc79a7a69e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=rquhSZnJe6jFzCmeh3UCH9Xx8XsuonfOUlG2YoGQSriAHuVMCA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan"=20 wrote: > > > That's exactly my point... I don't think the kind of growth=20 they're > > doing over there is sustainable. Not sure if it's companies or=20 the > > government over there, but someone is pumping a lot of money=20 into the > > area. Once that flow starts stops, will the area be able to=20 support > > itself? I don't think it will be, certainly not the amusement=20 parks. > > >=20 > It's my understanding that Dubai is an extremely wealthy country,=20 but > that wealth comes from a quickly drying up oil deposit. The prince=20 of > Dubai decided to spend billions and billions of dollars transforming > from an oil economy into an entertainment and tourism driven=20 country. > If you look into the other things aside from amusement parks that=20 are > being built there (including the worlds tallest sky scraper, which > while still 100 or so floors from completion is a very dominating > structure, and the worlds only 6 star hotel). I think this is > actually a very smart economic move by dubai, especially with how=20 well > the EU has been doing financially. The main problem with Dubai is=20 the > general anxiety that people have over traveling into the middle=20 east. > I hope this place finds a way to make people feel really secure=20 while > there, because if not this project will be a huge failure. >=20 > -Mike > What UAE is doing now is very similar to what Bahrain did before=20 their oil reserves dried up: They changed the foundation of the=20 economy of the country. The difference is, they chose to become a=20 banking/financial powerhouse. It actually worked very well, as even=20 though the oils is all gone now, and their natural gas is set to run=20 out in the next few years, the economy is still stable and growing.=20 Dubai actually has a very large industrial base, they added the=20 world's largest man-made harbor to increase the viability as a=20 commercial hub, and now, they are indeed trying to become the new=20 Orlando. I think the market they are after is predominantly from the=20 Middle East, but plenty of Europeans vacation in that part of the=20 world as well.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 10:56:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78057 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 18:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 18:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 18:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 18:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 18:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 18:56:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:56:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=65Vtvk_l_ZRjSWNcZax9rHx_0Gt1FrfMMbaAbDiPRnI_E1IjCA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > I'm not really sure what audience they're trying to appeal to. Is > > there a big audience in that region for amusement parks? I'd be > > interested to see figures for WDW in terms of international=20 visitors > > -- I bet 80-90%+ are from the U.S... >=20 > I *highly* doubt that. Anyone who has ever visited WDW and paid > attention would know that a lot more than 10% of the crowd is made=20 up > of international visitors. And Orlando isn't the world's top travel > destination, you know. >=20 > I think Adam hit the nail on the head here. Dubai isn't catering to > US visitors, it's aiming for Europeans have more vacation time, are > more apt to use it, and are frankly more likely to visit that a US > citizen. >=20 > It'll be interesting to see how many of these parks actually get > built. How many have been announced now? Ten? More? Though I'm > sure Dubai will be able to pull some of this off, I'm a little > skeptical that the area will be able to support 10+ major amusement > parks. I guess we'll see. >=20 > -Nate I definitely agree that the non-US percentage has to be higher than=20 10 or even 20%. Just the number of direct flights from Tokyo to=20 Orlando is amazing by itself.=20 As for the area being able to support all these parks?=20 This sounds like the same sort of skepticism that you read about in=20 the histories of Disneyland and Disney World.=20 Instead of orange groves or swampland, this time it's a desert.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 11:06:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28172 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 19:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 19:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 19:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 19:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 19:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2008 19:05:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:05:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CDC97A5D4D84D609F9CF7D206FCA0AB@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=16Mj-qI3ayGVuFyULiTfmKKxyNOk1C-gR71OQreZP1Rik-0_HQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > Actually, I'm kind of interested in finding out just how they are=20 going to=20 > STAFF all these parks and attractions. > It's one thing to staff stores, hotels and restaurants, but the=20 number of=20 > people you need to staff year-round theme park operations can be=20 anywhere=20 > from 2,000 to 6,000 depending on the size of the park and when=20 we're talking=20 > about the sheer number of parks that will be openening over the=20 next 2-5=20 > years in Dubai... just where are they going to get all that=20 staffing from? Lance, they'll come from the same place as all the workers who are=20 building all this stuff:=20 India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, The Phillippines, Afghanistan, Ethiopia,=20 etc.=20 Pretty much 100% of all labor in these (Middle Eastern) countries is=20 done by virtual wage-slaves from impoverished nations. They get=20 recruited and shipped in, paid a few dollars each month, and they=20 send most of it home to support their families.=20 It's actually kind of sad. There was a really good article about it=20 in National Geographic. Here's a link: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0701/feature3/ (I think you have to subscribe to get the whole article.) Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Feb 29 12:20:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37249 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 20:20:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 20:20:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 20:20:42 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JVBik-0006wp-1y for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:20:42 -0500 Message-ID: <47C86866.4020409@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:17:42 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478360a6c8e3632eb606d895fc444aae8d97a54c5dc026d88d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=C7GXp_abD61h_P_v_RrkAMLu6lETFS9x_vKmITHhTMZ4Kng X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > I'm not really sure what audience they're trying to appeal to. Is > > there a big audience in that region for amusement parks? I'd be > > interested to see figures for WDW in terms of international visitors > > -- I bet 80-90%+ are from the U.S... > > I *highly* doubt that. Anyone who has ever visited WDW and paid > attention would know that a lot more than 10% of the crowd is made up > of international visitors. And Orlando isn't the world's top travel > destination, you know. > Having worked at the parks, I'd put a very rough guestimate based on observation that 30-40% of the guests, at the least, are from outside of the US. It might even be as high as approaching 50%, though I don't think it's quite that many. But it's much, much more than 10% Heck, I think even Disneyland, which really has a local base, has more than 10% of their guests from international locations. keep on ridin' George From lance@screamscape.com Fri Feb 29 13:37:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64093 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 21:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 21:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sj1-omta01.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 21:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by sj1-omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8E6381340 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:36:59 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47c84e56.192aa for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:36:59 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHyHr7LGYHiwIAAAAB,60314d82965237197b2ccc8acc0c8819 Message-ID: To: References: <26562.51102.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47C7FDAB.5060902@earthlink.net> <47C86866.4020409@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <47C86866.4020409@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:37:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Dubai Dubai Doo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=RloIMDLlzdHvy6M-GvRXBhg9_O1WahYSoso3xWGUjfSk8-VNt7uNGRgovg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Having worked at the parks, I'd put a very rough guestimate based on observation that 30-40% of the guests, at the least, are from outside of the US. It might even be as high as approaching 50%, though I don't think it's quite that many. But it's much, much more than 10%<< I doubt the ratio anywhere near 50%, but I'd say that 25-35% is a good estimate for the big Orlando parks. Sometimes it's a bit hard to tell the difference between the Spanish speaking locals and true international tourists. ;-) Plus there are a number of Europeans who have moved to the Orlando area as well and become locals. I think the ratio drops quickly if you move an hour West to Busch Gardens and away from Orlando. Maybe more in the 15-20% range. As I recall from living in California, the ratio of international tourists is much smaller. You'll still get a large number at Disneyland and Universal (25%?) but I think Universal Hollywood has the higher numbers. From what I remember... there were always a larger than normal number of Asian and Mexican tourists there drawn to the idea that it's a real functioning Studio. Move out to Knotts, Six Flags, Legoland or SeaWorld and the ratio of international vs local guests drops down to only 10% or less. (less at Six Flags... more at SeaWorld and the San Diego Zoo) From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 18:23:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94243 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 02:23:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 02:23:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 02:23:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 02:23:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 02:23:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 02:23:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:23:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47C7FF4A.2050005@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: PR: Six Flags Flies Audiences to the Moon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=AXwOgcIPF8E-gFpPNwGY4kdwQo-ldrquvI5UoQUgTZzcInoSqrsy X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > >=20 >=20 > I think they're saying that just because, while the flies are=20 fictional,=20 > the Apollo mission to the moon is a real event that they're using as=20 the=20 > background. Rather than "fact based fiction" I think most of us=20 would=20 > call it historical fiction- a fictional story placed in a historical,=20 > fact based time or event that really happened. >=20 > Yeah, the way they put it is funny. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > I think I understand! The flies are Forrest Gump! Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 07:20:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64604 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 15:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 15:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 15:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:20:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:20:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Nakheel Signs Deal with Busch Entertainment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TWAscQ3kWd_jpqmy-EB2AQwJdn1mwASkoOIbtlcpZXT_EaU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 28, 2008 Dow Jones Newswire CNN http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200802281146DOWJONESDJO= NLINE000961_FORTUNE5.htm By Stefania Bianchi DUBAI, UAE -- Dubai-based property developer Nakheel said Thursday it signed an agreement with Orlando's Busch Entertainment Corp., the family entertainment division of Anheuser-Busch Cos., to develop the Worlds of Discovery theme park on Palm Jebel Ali, currently being constructed off the emirate's coast. The park will include SeaWorld, Aquatica, Busch Gardens and Discovery Cove which already exist in the southern U.S. state. The Dubai Worlds of Discovery theme park, the first outside of the U.S., will be phased with the first phase due to open in 2012. Nakheel is developing 3 palm-shaped projects off Dubai and last month launched The Universe project, also off the coast. The multibillion dollar real estate project will create a cluster of large islands in the shape of planets and the Milky Way. --------------- Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 07:33:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43818 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 15:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 15:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 15:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:33:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:33:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Harley bike rally moves to theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=i_SaBRqKc8yojsvU-P90ZdrJuUexXCf3GEOEzhNM372Aq-M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar. 01, 2008 The Sun News http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/story/367972.html By Lisa Fleisher MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- Hard Rock Park (HR) will roar into its first Myrtle Beach (MB) bike week. Harley-Davidson (H-D) will hold its events during this year's spring bike rally in the HR parking lot - instead of the MB Convention Center. The city is working on replacing the popular bike event with other motorcycle-related vendors. H-D and county officials say they have only briefly - if at all - discussed the event's potential effect on traffic on US-501, a main road to the beach that is usually already congested by late spring traffic. The Carolina H-D Dealers Assoc. MB rally will run from May 9 - May 18. HR, a $400 million investment off of US-501 scheduled to open in April, will also host a country and Southern rock concert on May 16 featuring The Charlie Daniels Band. H-D has been expanding its corporate shows at rallies across America, and it has outgrown the space at the city-owned convention center, said Mike Shank, spokesman for MB H-D. "It has more to do with the space than it has to do with HR or anything else," he said. The convention center was one of a half-dozen places on the Grand Strand for bikers to convene, eat, drink and shop from vendors who travel from rally to rally across the country. About 7,500 people a day flocked to the convention center for H-D events in previous years, city spokesman Mark Kruea said. Police helped direct traffic during the morning and evenings, he said. Those bikers are now expected to head to HR's parking lot for the free event. Horry County has not yet discussed how to handle traffic, county spokeswoman Lisa Bourcier said. Rally organizers have spoken with the S.C. Highway Patrol, but no new traffic patterns have been set, Shank said. "Some of that stuff they play by ear," he said. Instead of paying rent for use of the parking lot, H-D will pay the park in motorcycles and merchandise. HR will get H-D merchandise and 5 motorcycles for its Malibu Beach Party show, Shank said. While the city tries to line up other vendors for the convention center, H-D is still on the hook for the contract. "It's a little unfortunate that it happened but we all got to get on with business here," said Paul Edwards, GM of the convention center. Edwards said he has a verbal agreement with another event producer, Road Shows of Reno, NV, to hold events at the convention center. He said he expects to have a signed contract next week. But not everyone is happy the convention center is continuing to go after motorcycle-related events. For years, some residents have fought to drive the 2 May motorcycle rallies out of MB, saying they drive away family business, create havoc on the roads and drown the night in revving engine noise. "You know, the people of MB own the convention center, and why should we be using what we own to hold events that drive us all crazy?" said Cynthia Powell, who ran unsuccessfully for City Council on a platform that the motorcycle rallies should be banned or moved to the offseason. "We can get other people who don't make noise and don't ride up and down the streets all nights and so forth in May." H-D gave the city short notice of the move, Kruea said. "It may not be possible to fill that space this time this year and that may not be a bad thing," he said. "The convention center is there to bring people into town. We'd rather be busy than empty. But there certainly is the school of thought that a non-motorcycle event would help diversify that weekend." H-D had 3 years left on its contract with the convention center, and it will be easier to replace the business for the final 2 years, Kruea said. ----------- Copyright 2008 MyrtleBeachOnline.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 07:42:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4372 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 15:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 15:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 15:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:42:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:42:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Theme park district bill passes first hurdle in Senate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-gLTqwEIdWMMO_cu8LXfutB8PiR4gwFdDFsaRurEAeQC_Rk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 28, 2008 The Associated Press Z-Wire Tri-Valley Central http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3D19343156&BRD=3D1817&PAG=3D461&d= ept_id=3D222077&rfi=3D6 PHOENIX, AZ -- A state Senate committee has given an initial thumbs-up to a public bond financing plan for a proposed rock 'n' roll theme park in the Pinal County town of Eloy. The bill creating a special district enabling backers of the Decades Music Theme Park (DM) to access up to $750 million in revenue bonds passed 5-2 in the Senate Commerce and Economic Development Committee. Backers of the $800 million park hope to build roller coasters and other rock-themed rides divided into sections associated with music through the decades starting in the 1950s. The 240-acre park also would include several luxury hotels and a 22-acre retail district. The proposed district would repay the bonds using extra tax charges collected from park patrons. The Phoenix-based investors group behind the project would first have to come up with $100 million of their own funding. The bill passed the Senate committee by a 5-2 vote, but not without serious pushback from some members. Sen. Ken Cheuvront, D-Phoenix, was skeptical of a private sector project needing a government monetary assistance handout rather than garnering the funds from investors. "I've seen these projects come and go," Cheuvront said during the hearing last Wednesday, Feb. 20. "The precedent we're setting here is amazing ... If this was a viable plan, they could go into the private markets and get financing." Cheuvront was especially troubled that the bill seems to permanently exempt the park's owners from paying income and property taxes. The author of the bill, Sen. Thayer Verschoor, R-Gilbert, said that wasn't his intent and he would be willing to rework the bill. Sen. Pamela Gorman, R-Anthem who also voted against the bill, rejected the suggestion that the Legislature could eventually correct inequities in the district. "I don't see the political fortitude to scrap this thing once it goes forward," she said. Committee chair Sen. Barbara Leff, R-Paradise Valley, shared some of the concerns, but suggested the bill could be clarified as it proceeds. The next stop for HR Bill 1450 is the 30-member full state senate in the next few weeks. Assuming it is approved, it would then be headed for the 60-member House of Representatives in March. It would require approval from both a House committee and full House of Representatives before finding its way to Governor Janet Napolitano's desk in April or May. The DM team is optimistic that the bill will jump each hurdle, with all of the sponsored support it is getting from State Senator Rebecca Rios (Dem. Whip), Speaker of the House Jim Weiers (R-Phoenix), Senate President Tim Bee (R-Tucson), and Senate Majority Leader Thayer Verschoor. "There's been a lot of questions about this project," Jason Rose says, the president of Rose & Allyn Public Relations lobbying for DM. "Is it real? Can, or will, this happen? But having the Senate Commerce Committee say, 'this looks good to us,' and having legislative leadership say this looks good to us, it is just an enormously important milestone in this project." The advancement has also been making believers out of a lot of others both inside and outside of Arizona as well. The DM team has been receiving letters of support from classic rock radio stations out of Phoenix and Tucson, the Arizona Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the songwriters group, and best of all, the Fender Guitar company. Referred to as a "musical heavyweight" by DM's Kevin DeMenna, President of DeMenna and Associates political consulting firm, Fender Musical Instrument Corporation had agreed to be a partner in the Decades project last week. "75% of the musical acts on the road use Fender equipment - including the world-famous Stratocaster," DeMenna had informed the Senate committee last week. "Fender guitars were played by everyone from Jimmie Hendrix to Eric Clapton, and is a real testament to how the private sector and the music world is beginning to respond to our theme park concept," Rose adds. Rose also expressed a deep appreciation for all of the support and assistance they've received already from people writing letters to the editor (a function made available on their website at www.decadesusa.com), and to government officials. "People are really making a difference," he says. Members of the DM team encourage all supporters of the park to contact not only Arizona Senator Rios, but all legislators in the state senate to urge passage of the bill in the next few months. A roster of Senate legislators can be found online at www.azleg.gov/MemberRoster.asp. ------------- =A9Casa Grande Valley Newspapers Inc. 2008 Copyright =A9 1995 - 2008 Townnews.com From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 07:48:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40518 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 15:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 15:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 15:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:48:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:48:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Harley bike rally moves to theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=y7_-eorM0PTnegVhZQE-NPfH-r5Uvg6m5O1u8v6jXafS4Y45Edq2 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Thanks, Alan. You really made my day! Yeah, there's more than a bit of=20 sarcasm there. I'd never shoot the messenger, though. Those dates,=20 naturally, coincide with the dates I'll be taking my trip. I already=20 knew HRP was gonna be an absolute mob scene, having opened around 1=20 1/2 - 2 weeks prior to my projected arrival. Now this. I can't really=20 re-arrange my vacation days, and even if I tweak my itinerary, I'm=20 still at HRP while the bike rally is on. I'm gonna log off now and see=20 if I can work on some things to make the pain go away...=20 Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 07:55:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33938 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 15:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 15:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 15:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 15:55:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:55:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Wicksteed Park unveils future plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cDF3JiG7dXAOCv4LhGBZHtWfcffK7hmXJn5T0wCy83FLKns X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 01 March 2008 Evening Telegraph http://www.northantset.co.uk/news/Wicksteed-Park-unveils-future-plans.38335= 08.jp By Joni Ager KETTERING, NORTHAMPTONSHIRE, UK -- Wicksteed Park (WP) has always prided itself on offering fun for all the family, with its free playground, traditional rides and acres of open space. But this summer will bring some big changes for the park. Alongside the well-loved waterchute and bumper cars, a =A3500,000 log flume ride will be added to its range of attractions. Rocky River Falls will open in May and will feature a 35'-drop and a ravine of cascading water. The ride will be relatively small-scale compared to the likes of Alton Towers but it is one of the biggest rides the park has introduced for years. Also this summer 30 holiday lodges will be built in the park for people to buy and use as holiday homes. It seems a marked change of direction for WP =96 so is this the start of its transformation into a national theme park and holiday destination? Managing director John Roberts says while these are crucial developments for WP, the idea is not to rival the theme parks like Alton Towers and Thorpe Park. He said: "I don't think we will ever see multi-million pound, white-knuckle rides like Alton Towers because that is not what we are about. "We are a park for local people and we like things that are a bit different and quirky. The Nautic Jets, for example, I've never seen anywhere else. "People wrongly compare us to the big theme parks but we are so many different things. With the lodges, we see them as a place where people can come to the area and use them as a weekend retreat. "Surprisingly the majority of people who have shown an interest in the lodges have been local people, not necessarily from Kettering but people who like the idea of having somewhere their families can come and use based in the park. "It isn't much different to owning a lodge at the seaside, there is still plenty to do. We liken WP to a seaside resort because we have the wooden pavilion and the seaside-type shows. "This is totally new for WP and I think it has been a missed opportunity for us. Ever since I have been here people have been asking 'is there any accommodation here?'" As well as the holiday lodges, due to open in June, WP has submitted a planning application to use a field near the boating lake for camping and caravanning. It wants to create plots for 25 static caravans, 100 touring caravan sites and 50 tent pitches, including power points and shower blocks. Roberts said: "We have been doing touring caravans for a few years and last year it generated =A315,000 and that is with just a field. "We are so affected by the weather with our rides and attractions so any income we can generate from accommodation will help." This is just the start of his plans for the park. Roberts says there is huge potential for WP in light of the development plans for the county and the park could be a selling point for the area =96 but it needs investment to bring the park into the 21st century. He said: "One of our objectives is to get WP better recognised for what it is, which is Northamptonshire's leading visitor attraction. "It frustrates me that you see all these strategic plans and WP seems to be forgotten. We need to be able to accommodate tens of thousands of new people and we are going to need some investment. We have a programme of trying to improve and bring our rides up to date. We do have some old rides that need updating and we need a new roller coaster, which hopefully we can do in a few years. "In the future I want to have some niche shops and improve our retail area. "But the big thing I think we need here is some sort of entertainment building, including some conference facilities and an indoor play area which will serve as an all-weather family entertainment area. "The pavilion is beautiful but it gets very heavily booked up and we often have to turn away events. We feel if we had another venue, maybe a theatre, we have the space and the staff expertise to accommodate it." But while plans for WP's future are taking shape, the history of the park remains as important as ever. It is the creation of local businessman Charles Wicksteed, who wanted to create a safe parkland for families in the town. The signs of its history are evident throughout the park, from the original waterchute =96 first opened in 1926 and still going today =96 to the statue of Mr Wicksteed's beloved dog Gerry which stands in the Memorial Garden. Now the park wants to create a museum to showcase WP's history, featuring old photographs and cinefilm dating back to the early days. It is currently working on a Heritage Lottery Grant bid to fund the museum project but in the short term it will be opening a small museum featuring a selection of memorabilia. -------------- =A92008 Johnston Press Digital Publishing=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 08:05:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65071 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 16:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 16:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 16:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 16:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 16:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 16:04:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:04:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Clear-cutting the Fun Forest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NgwHIJAo2HHVVmQPyNu9JwbwGTYjWKdwC6MAjt14vE3O4eo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 1, 2008 Crosscut.com http://www.crosscut.com/mossback/12078/Clear-cutting+the+Fun+Forest/ By Knute Berger SEATTLE, WA -- Seattle's Fun Forest (FF), a fixture at Seattle Center (SC) since the 1962 world's fair, appears to be doomed. The amusement park =97 in more innocent times called the Gayway =97 was an effort to inject some fun into a high-minded international science exposition. After the fair closed, the SC emerged as a major regional arts hub, featuring a performing arts district for theater groups, opera and the ballet along Mercer Street. But the fair's thrill rides lived on, a permanent reminder not to take ourselves too seriously. Middlebrow and upwardly aspirant Seattle, a Scandinavian/Asian city built by civil engineers and populated by Boeing and software engineers, has often needed to be told that it's okay to have fun once in a while. When Bill Gates was asked by his biographers for his memories of the world's fair =97 where he was likely first introduced to computers =97 his main memory was of riding the Wild Mouse, a snappy little roller coaster. Even boy geniuses need to unwind. But the FF, privately and locally owned, is living on borrowed time. Revenues are down, the company is behind in its rent, and it doesn't have the capital to invest in major upgrades. Meanwhile, the neighborhood is changing. As the city has undertaken a "re-visioning" of SC, 2 priorities have emerged. One is to make SC greener. The other is to add amenities that will make it attractive to the condo communities that are moving into Lower Queen Anne and South Lake Union. Wouldn't upscaling SC's restaurants and evolving it into a kind of New York=96style Central Park be more in keeping with its new urban context? Various draft plans call for clear-cutting the FF for open space. Open space has its appeal, but there's not much "fun" in it. Not compared to wild rides, junk food and carny attractions where you can win your girlfriend a plush toy. No fun like bumper car fun. I have argued that while a Central Park is nice, Seattle also needs a Coney Island. That brings us to larger trends that extend beyond Seattle. Coney Island? It's endangered too. Condos are moving in, and the last amusement park there is living on borrowed time, its future beyond 2008 iffy. Same with the FF, which looks to close before the end of the year. Then, says SC's director, Robert Nellams, the Center will be able to move on. "We can't stay in nostalgia," he says. But is trashy fun merely nostalgia these days? Without it, won't Seattle risk choking on its own self-importance? Can man live by artisanal bread alone, or is there something important about being able to run with the carnies once in a while? One positive sign is the amount of effort that has gone into finding a new home at SC for the skateboard park, which was displaced by the Gates Foundation headquarters being built nearby on former SC property. Score one for fun. But national trends also suggest that the FF is a victim of scale. Like the family farm, struggling to survive against corporate megafarms, small, privately owned amusement parks are giving way to thriving corporate theme parks. It's a world dominated by Disney- and Six Flags=96scale attractions. And fueled by expanding markets, amusement parks =97 small and large =97 are a big industry. According to the IAAPA, they attracted 335 million attendees and had $11.5 billion in revenues in 2006. In short, thrill rides are still hot. But in this Nintendoized, Xboxed society, it takes more than a village to scare the pants off a park patron. Technology is allowing new generations of rides that are faster and wilder than ever before, like roller coasters with cars that spin in circles =97 think extreme skateboarding on steroids. Also popular are high-tech rides with story lines. Much anticipated is the new Toy Story Mania ride at Disney, where riders will spin their way in 3-D glasses through a virtual board game. Customers now expect maximum thrills =97 and a complete vacation experience, something the little guys like the FF just can't match. While we locals all have fond memories of the old FF, public tastes have outgrown what it can offer, especially in the era of cheap airfares and high expectations. That suggests that if we want to keep the fun going =97 and if Seattle wants to be truly world-class, like London, Copenhagen, LA, Tokyo, Madrid and Montreal =97 we should consider scaling up its thrills rather than be content to let the genre go extinct. ----------- Copyright =A9 2008 by Crosscut LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 08:06:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7510 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 16:06:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 16:06:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 16:06:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 16:06:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 16:06:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 16:06:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:06:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Harley bike rally moves to theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mnVfI9JHs3ZjdcJeulmWA6QzkhIw8jQWTorcuLktgHkbsU4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I guess you better wear your leathers! Just don't show-up in a Prius ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher" wrote: > > Thanks, Alan. You really made my day! Yeah, there's more than a bit of=20 > sarcasm there. I'd never shoot the messenger, though. Those dates,=20 > naturally, coincide with the dates I'll be taking my trip. I already=20 > knew HRP was gonna be an absolute mob scene, having opened around 1=20 > 1/2 - 2 weeks prior to my projected arrival. Now this. I can't really=20 > re-arrange my vacation days, and even if I tweak my itinerary, I'm=20 > still at HRP while the bike rally is on. I'm gonna log off now and see=20 > if I can work on some things to make the pain go away...=20 >=20 > Mike From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 11:31:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33600 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 19:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 19:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 19:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 19:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 19:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 19:31:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:31:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Harley bike rally moves to theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=G5iXC09-36X-PsHjNBRGB5nsJEZjrFpfIb0fhwFSY-D4fqxWE-fv X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck What's the difference between a Harley Davidson and a Hoover vacuum=20 cleaner? -Brian F. P.S. I wouldn't show up anywhere in a Prius. Hybrids suck! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Mar 02 09:01:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61078 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 17:01:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 17:01:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 17:01:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:01:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:01:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:01:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:01:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: TivoliToo tapped as sculptors for MOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GxfjdpUqZWJmN5sp9MBUlhxX7GhFkG1m3R6VC_IqPVSSnMI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 February 29, 2008 Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2008/03/03/story10.html?b=3D1= 204520400%5E1598522 by John Vomhof Jr. MENDOTA HEIGHTS, MN -- A Mendota Heights firm is playing a prominent role in the rebranding of Mall of America's (MOA) indoor amusement park. TivoliToo Inc. produced a 30'-tall, 3-dimensional SpongeBob SquarePants figure for a new roller coaster at Nickelodeon Universe. The company also painted the ride's cars and is making various other character pieces and signs for the theme park, formerly known as Knott's Camp Snoopy. "We're doing a lot to Nickelodeonize it, jazz it up and make it more fun," said TivoliToo VP Hart Johnson. The company has done other work at the MOA before, including projects for Underwater Adventures, Rainforest Cafe and Bow Wow Meow, but this is the company's largest and most high-profile job there. "It's just really nice to do something like this 5 minutes away from our office," Johnson said. "When clients come to town, it will be great to be able to take them over there and show them that we did this and this and this. It will be a great showcase of what we've done." TivoliToo installed the 30' SpongeBob character, which serves as the entrance to the new SpongeBob SquarePants Rock Bottom Plunge roller coaster, earlier this week. The remainder of the work will be completed in the coming weeks as MOA ramps up for the official opening of Nickelodeon Universe on March 15. TivoliToo started as a small jewelery store in 1980, steadily growing and evolving over the years. The company, which now has 35 full-time employees, broke into large-scale theming work in the mid-1990s, making restaurant signs and large, lifelike animal models for Rainforest Cafe. Its largest clients now include Vail Mountain Ski Resort, Great Wolf Lodge, Disney and Warner Brothers. TivoliToo gained local notoriety in the late-1990s and early-2000s when it produced hundreds of Peanuts figures that local artists decorated throughout St. Paul. The company's portfolio also includes work at the Minneapolis-St. Paul Int. Airport and The Depot WaterPark as well as projects for various local firms, including 3M, Best Buy, Carlson Cos. Inc., General Mills and Target. ------------- =A9 2008 American City Business Journals, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Mar 02 09:09:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56818 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:09:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:09:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Wild West World may sell for just $2 million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=E_CreznlNfVRpPqkOfCuuVCFD8tisiLp_brRgpyPgbI5Bjg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar. 02, 2008 The Wichita Eagle http://www.kansas.com/news/story/328688.html By Bill Wilson PARK CITY, KS -- A Tulsa carnival company has signed a letter of intent to buy Wild West World (WWW) for $2 million. Spectacular Attractions (SA), doing business as Murphy Brothers Exposition (MBE) in Tulsa, also plans to spend $4.2 million to reopen the bankrupt park with about 35 mobile and permanent rides. The entire $6.2 million deal -- which would include the park's 98 acres and existing buildings -- would be financed by industrial revenue bonds issued by the city of Park City. The park is north of Wichita along I-135. A sale contract -- pending for 6 weeks -- remains unsigned as negotiations between SA and lenders in the bankruptcy case continue, according to sources close to the park's bankruptcy. Thomas Etheredge opened WWW, a $30 million western-themed amusement park, on May 5. He closed it and declared bankruptcy on July 9, leaving behind $24 million in debt. Most of the park's rides have been removed and a series of auctions disposed of the remaining items. The business plan The prospective group is headed by Jerry Murphy, who runs MBE, and former Wichitan Michael Chesser, a CPA and mortgage broker who is president and founder of Apartment Income Investors and the Chesser Mortgage Group. Murphy said he's excited about the possibilities at WWW. "Would we like to do a deal there? You bet," he said. "Have we? Not yet. "But if we do a deal there, I'm extremely confident we can create a big facility that will be well accepted by the public." A business plan obtained by The Eagle estimates $2.2 million in 1st-year profits, based on 150,000 season attendance, a $15 admission charge and average per-visitor expenditures of $25-$32 daily. It's a plan closer to what industry analyst Gary Slade, publisher of the trade publication Amusement Today, has insisted would work at the park. "My years in this business tell me clearly that your property will not work as a theme park open from 10a.m.-10p.m. every day," he said, as WWW was. "It will work if it's run like Joyland, like a true amusement park open 6-11 every evening and maybe 2-10:30 on the weekends." What the business plan doesn't include is something that Slade considers essential for the park's survival: some form of water entertainment. The plan also would have the company operate the Johnny Western Theatre as a separate division, using it as a dinner theater and as a venue for performances by name entertainers. It would be part of the group's off-season park plan, with in-season concerts and themed seasonal activities at Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas. The business plan also includes concessions to WWW's season ticket buyers, who likely won't recover their losses in the park's bankruptcy proceedings. Those ticket holders will get free or discounted visits or a season-pass discount. The plan includes, Murphy said, an aggressive, professional marketing campaign, one of the major failures by Etheredge. "There's been so much bad publicity about the park, and rightly so," Murphy said. "You can be sure that if we can get this done, the people of Wichita are going to know exactly who we are and what we're going to do." Tentative agreement with Park City Murphy has met with Park City Mayor Dee Stuart and city administrator Jack Whitson. The city has tentatively agreed to issue industrial revenue bonds to pay for the real estate and amusement rides, Whitson said, although the council hasn't voted on the issue. The city also has tentatively agreed to abate taxes for 10 years on the real estate and improvements, and will allow Murphy to take over the 10-year, $100,000 payments on the parking lot lease. "At this point, I think you can safely assume that if anyone comes forward who wants to turn that park around, the city's going to work with them," Whitson said. Murphy is well known in the industry as a mobile carnival provider, working state fairs across the country. He provides rides, games, food and major events at the Tulsa State Fair and fairs in New Mexico, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Missouri, Iowa, Nebraska and Tennessee. Murphy's parents, John and Gladys, formed the company in 1957, merging in 1971 with T. Collins Shows. -------------- Copyright 2008 Kansas.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Mar 02 09:16:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53739 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 17:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 17:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 17:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:16:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:16:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:16:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:16:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Gilroy Gardens Blossoms into the 2008 Season with Spring Fling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6PpVONUgUO4PGDdE8K4UOzKXQDwJm8OULUs53Prgcc3g0Pc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 25 2008 PRNewswire Comtex Fox Business http://www.foxbusiness.com/article/gilroy-gardens-family-theme-park-blossom= s-2008-season-spring-fling_493884_1.html GILROY, CA -- Guests who visit the park from March 21-April 27 will enjoy SPRING FLING (SF) from 10am-6pm, Saturdays & Sundays, and from 11am-5pm Monday-Friday. SF is FREE with the price of admission and guests are treated to a spectacular display of spring flowers throughout the entry, a children's scavenger hunt, and an opportunity to meet "Gil" the garlic guy. Gil can be seen throughout the day in Sugar Plum Plaza and will be available for family photos to create a great Gilroy Gardens (GG) memory. The SF Scavenger Hunt begins each day at Sugar Plum Plaza where children 12 & under will receive a map to uncover locations throughout the park where they can collect cool "surprise" springtime gifts. GG will be adding spring flowers throughout Dixie Cup Plaza and Sugar Plum Plaza. In addition, hanging floral baskets will be displayed along Sycamore Bridge. Event banners will be in place on light poles from the front gate to Sugar Plum Plaza, and guests will be invited to enjoy the SF Garden Sale. Hales Mercantile will be the site of a "sidewalk sale". On sale will be a variety of garden accents, supplies, and flowers. Pay Once and get the Season for FREE! Front Gate Admission Tickets are just $41.99 and for an even greater value, turn your Front Gate Admission Ticket into a LOTSA CARD! Purchase a full-priced Front Gate Admission Ticket, take your ID photo on your first visit and enjoy the rest of the 2008 Season on any Public Operating Day for FREE! The LOTSA CARD! is only $39.99 for children and seniors (ages 3-6 or 65 and older). Guests can also upgrade to a premium pass to get free parking and special discounts. For park information, visit http://www.gilroygardens.org or call 408-840-7100. ---------------- SOURCE Gilroy Gardens Family Theme Park Copyright =A9 2008 PR Newswire Copyright 2008 FOX News Network, LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Mar 02 09:28:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46321 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 17:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 17:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 17:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2008 17:28:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:28:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: On A Rollercoaster Ride (Long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nUDEdM-Vjdhpz8r3jCIk6AWkdXac656Ps12NNToKqYdsNQM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 02, 2008 The Financial Express http://www.financialexpress.com/news/On-A-Rollercoaster-Ride/279118/0 By Mona Mehta INDIA -- They aim to thrill. But in India, the number of amusement parks are far too few. Not only are they few, they are also way behind in terms of what they have to offer when you compare them with what is on the menu in certain other countries. Way back in 1984 India got its first amusement park in the form of Appu Ghar in Delhi. But after that there hasn't been much of a spike in their numbers. The business of amusement parks is still at a nascent stage. And now, even that very first centre of fun, Appu Ghar, has closed down. But don't lose heart. Real estate developers across the country are dreaming up new ways of keeping families entertained and the cash registers ringing a la theme parks, giant wheels, water parks, food courts and more. What balances the equation of fun and funds is what needs to be looked at. Says Anand Lamdhade, assistant GMG, Essel Infraprojects Ltd: "An amusement and/or water park is a comprehensive facility. It involves the planning and provision to the extent of almost a township." So right from basic amenities, functional requirements, maintenance back-up, workshops, service provisions, to core rides taking care of all age groups and tastes need to be looked at. Theming is an additional aspect of enjoyment. To top it, environmental and societal concerns must also be taken care of. Safety and maintenance are pillars of this very interactive entertainment business. And then the people... As Lamdhade adds: "Every guest has his special needs and hence the ingredients for the desired `experience' are unique." Then there is the bigger picture. Shubhranshu Pani, president =96 retail services, Jones Lang LaSalle Meghraj, which has been mapping the growth of this industry observes: "An amusement park of international standards must offer high class entertainment facilities, self-contained infrastructure and must have a significant regional impact on tourism as well as social benefits. It must be operated and maintained on sound commercial principles and there should be ease of operation for investors and employees." Extolling the virtues of Appu Ghar and why it worked, Pawan Malhotra of Mahindra Lifespaces says it was a classic example of an amusement park with easy access destination, ample parking space and lots of rides that children could enjoy. He adds: "For amusement parks to be a success, they should be integrated into the city projects where there is a large population with infrastructure available as a key to enable visitors to reach there in a short duration. In order to make amusement parks a success business model, there has to be a cost-benefit analysis too." Bharat Ludhani, director of Mumbai-based Evershine Builders who started running the Evershine Dream Park at Thakur Village, Kandivali, Mumbai around 3 years ago says, "In order to set up an amusement park, it is imperative to have large land tracts reserved for the garden so that space for appropriate amenities can be provided and customers can benefit in turn." Pani explains: "Amusement parks must have sufficient area to incorporate all facilities and must include a retail environment and even hospitality amenities, theme-water park rides, and advanced security measures. It must also afford easy inter-hub transportation for visitors and for supplies." As for the ticket prices, Lamdhade believes they generally depend on the scale, quality, place of business, the fillers and of course the tax structure applicable. It should be more value than money spent. Many a times this value is infused by packing in much more experience in softer tones like live events (entertainment/thrill/stunt shows), interaction with mascots, etc. Ludhani adds that the company is shortly going to develop similar large-size amusement parks in townships in Vasai, Virar, Mira Road in Mumbai, apart from Nasik and Pune. "By running amusement parks, we are fulfilling a social need as customers from surrounding residential buildings visit our amusement parks at an entry fee of just Rs 5 per person. Hence, we do not see this as a profit-generating business." There are other factors too. For instance, due to the Evershine Dream Park at Kandivali, property prices of the surrounded residential buildings has already shot up by almost 30%, and is expected to shoot up further in the near future. Hence, residential buildings surrounding amusement parks are at an advantage as the home occupiers see a good return on investment (ROI) on their flats in the short-term itself. Earlier, the concept of amusement parks in the vicinity was a novelty for most people. Hence experimenters as well as opportunists made up the segment. Then followed the wave of the entertainment Economy, with several takers lining up. The growing Indian Economy, nuclear family structures, husband and wife as earners leading to increasing disposable income, changing lifestyles and exposure to foreign parks, coupled with increasing demand of outdoor interactive entertainment led to the demand pull. Special attractions at amusement parks today are geared towards giving a high to both adults and children. People are also demanding more daredevilish rides that are a cut above what you would get at your local mela. As an industry, amusment parks are growing at a pace of 20-30%. The footfalls have typically been building up, but are also getting localised. To match this growing demand, many small versions of such parks are coming up. However, standard-wise they are quite inadequately planned, unorganised, under-developed and not professionally managed. People still look at old trusted brands as true-blue amusement parks. Disneyland still continues to be the role model for the amusement industry. A step up in scale, composition, quality and service is the order of the day in most Indian parks. Yet, Esselworld, Water Kingdom, MGM, VGP, Veegaland, Fun-n-food Village, Kishkinta, Wonderland are some of the aspiring and comparable examples. Also, the fact that many of these parks are opening in different parts of the country, obviously means it makes good business sense to run them. The ideal amusement park today incorporates entertainment facilities designed for target audiences consisting of tech-savvy teens, young adults and families. It will have a children's zone, a teen zone and a family zone to attract the widest possible clientele.Also, international-grade amusement parks are also good ways of opening up remote places for retail and hospitality. The fact that huge investments are required in setting up these parks is understood. But when does the money come in? Is there any average time line that one can look at when it comes to making money out of these ventures? Points out Parashar: "Typically this industry has a long gestation period of about 5-7 years and it also requires frequent (every 3-4 years) capital investment for upgrading and adding new rides." Then there is localisation. With increasing travelling costs, decrease in personal time, difficulties in metro cities leading to discomfort, narrowing gap in expectations at metro cities and Tier II cities =97 all of these are leading to localisation of such parks, and hence localisation of the clientele also. Almost every Tier II city and even growing Tier III cities =97 are having at least one such park. The potential in the industry is huge. Adds Parashar: "Profits depend on how well-researched the location and catchment is. If both are scientifically chosen, profits can accrue from the 2nd year of successful operation." According to industry experts, after having completed 2 decades, this industry has reached scattered investments of only Rs 4,000 crore. The expansion is also taking a hit due to various competitive factors in entertainment and allied activities. Further, profit margins are limited to only 10-15% per individual. This industry is also highly impacted by climatic changes and academic schedules. Typically, the monsoon, extreme summer and severe winter affect business. Exam times also add to a depletion in the number of visitors. To counter this, various publicity campaigns and incentives are offeredto lure the visitor during the lean season. Says Lamdhade: "A lot of above-the-line and below-the-line activites are undertaken by us apart from personal experience, wherein people also get to evaluate the place for themselves on quality, safety etc. Different forms of promotional schemes =97 discount schemes, extra benefit schemes, event linked schemes, festival-based schemes, etc are regularly offered by us." However, Lamdhade feels that this industry is not getting the desired support from the government in terms of taxation, seed capital incentive and other related incentives. "It's unfair to compare the industry with well established quick return tourism and entertainment businesses like hotels, cinema, multiplexes, etc," he says. Here are some numbers: As of now, the entertainment duty taxation varies from about 10-25% depending on state level policies, customs duty for equipment and rides stands at 45%, and in some categories up to even 100%. So when people say `Let's give clean fun of this kind a break' most would agree. Wouldn't they? -------------- =A9 2008: Indian Express Newspapers (Mumbai) Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Mar 03 08:41:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55667 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 16:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 16:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 16:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 16:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 16:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 16:41:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:41:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Rollercoaster ride to wedding day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=v3dKcM0X9SdsHuOKZcUi9_WmPuAyN1mAggYH-3l78Dnce0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 29 February 2008 BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7271818.stm CHERTSEY, SURREY, UK -- A woman took advantage of leap year to propose to her boyfriend at the top of his favourite rollercoaster. Jenny Harrold, 28, from Folkestone, Kent, and rollercoaster fanatic Patrick Hyde, 26, from Cambridge, have been together for just over a year. "I probably wouldn't have asked if I thought he wasn't going to say yes but even so at the bottom of the ride I started to get nervous," she said. Thorpe Park in Surrey opened especially for the proposal on its Stealth ride. The theme park is usually closed on winter weekdays, but fell in love with the idea when Miss Harrold sent an email requesting the 29 February chance to propose. Engagement ring "I hadn't told him anything about coming to Thorpe Park," she said. "I just told him we were going out for a treat for his birthday, which was a month ago. "We were at the very top, where it slows down for a second or two before the descent. "He just screamed yes before we plunged back down." Miss Harrold had an engagement ring ready for her fiance, who said he did not suspect a thing. "I'm very, very shell-shocked," he said. "I really didn't suspect a thing, I really thought it was a birthday treat." -------------- Copyright BBC MMVIII From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Mar 03 08:46:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88943 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 16:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 16:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 16:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 16:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 16:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 16:46:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:46:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Jacko To Lose Neverland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=M2caF6zblsaj2Nxzgi_rrEFwm9gsK-nQclMv-8jMTUWxMU4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 27, 2008 MTV-UK http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/mtvuk/news/27022008/405295/michael_jackson_to_= lose_neverland LOS OLIVOS, CA -- Michael Jackson could lose his massive Neverland estate on March 19 unless he pays out =A312.3 Million to save it. If he's kicked out the animals will have no King of Pop to play with and the rollercoaster will go unused. The crazy Thriller legend owes 3 months arrears on the property (which is 2,800 acres big) and if he doesn't stump up the cash Neverland will be auctioned off. Wacko Jacko bought the land and house near Santa Barbara in 1987 as a fantasy land for kids. Since then he's been dogged by child abuse allegations. Officials say the proposed auction would also sell off "all ferris wheels, carousels, merry-go-round type devices... and all amusement ride equipment and facilities of every kind or nature". ------------ Copyright 2008 MTV Network Europe From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Mar 03 09:02:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53301 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 17:01:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 17:01:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 17:01:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 17:01:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 17:01:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:01:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: 'Dark Knight' set to open in April X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9eSBCfymBzuxMhXr8Ovk2H_HFFmjVerh4l_ch7p8frJoN_s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 3/1/2008 The Daily Herald http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=3D145642&src=3D3 By Lee Filas GURNEE, IL -- Though construction has been delayed by the weather, Six Flags Great America (6FGA) officials say the "Dark Knight" roller coaster is still on track to open in April. Brooke Gabbert, 6FGA public relations manager, said the company is pushing to make up for about 2 weeks lost because of bad weather so the newest attraction will be ready when Gurnee opens April 26. "That is still our goal," she said. "Thankfully, we do have indoor areas so complete construction days have not been completely lost." The $7.5 million coaster will be housed in a 7-story building next to "Superman: Ultimate Flight." It's based on the movie "The Dark Knight," scheduled to be released in theaters in July. Gabbert said Christopher Nolan, the director and writer of the movie, has been a major part of creating the coaster to make sure it "maintains the integrity of the movie." Riders will start in an indoor waiting area - built in the renovated Theatre Royale - that can hold up to 600 people. While in line, they'll attend a "press conference" where the story line will be explained, Gabbert said. Then, they'll board a Gotham City subway train that is under attack. "Chaos is happening all around them," Gabbert said. "And this subway ride may or may not be the safest way out of the city." She said the coaster is similar to what's known as a "wild mouse" coaster, which features numerous twists and turns to spin people around. But, she added, the theme and art located on the walls and on the sides of the track the highlights of the journey. "People will be amazed at the theming we have in place for the coaster," she said. "It really takes on a role in itself." Gabbert said the indoor roller coaster is the first of its kind the company is building. 2 other indoor coasters are being built by 6F in New England and New Jersey. The only construction that has been done on the coaster so far has been the waiting area, she said. Gary Pohlman, the director of maintenance and construction, said crews are doing everything they can to ensure the ride will open on time. "We have been able to work on the waiting area, so we are ahead on that," he said. "But, the weather needs to break so we can get to work." He said the building will go up prior to the coaster going in. A crane will be built inside the structure to help assemble the coaster, and disassembled before the coaster opens. Pohlman said the need to erect the building first is to help set up the artistic content for the coaster, such as specialized lighting, cat walks and artistic themes. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 Daily Herald Inc. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 03 11:04:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14844 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 19:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 19:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 19:04:32 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so409697wra.22 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:04:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.88.11 with SMTP id l11mr296705rvb.237.1204571071704; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:04:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:04:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:04:31 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47C7299C.1030905@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47C7299C.1030905@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Aquatica Opens March 1st X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=JjzV6nL7XiBnS0143ewQgNYY2JXbohiuk85__IloznJkQ0NWYUoX5UU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Soon as we can get an operating vehicle again (which might take a while > at this rate) and a bit of warm weather, we'll be over there. Poor George. It seems like you guys are always having car trouble. This time there isn't even a hill in the way! -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 03 11:08:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3568 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 19:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 19:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.187) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 19:08:26 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so131080rvb.49 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:08:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.44.13 with SMTP id w13mr343070rvj.13.1204571304973; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:08:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:08:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:08:24 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Wild West World may sell for just $2 million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=W_Vy0HEpoFqv5S9pbWDm8KLYDgNa0G7PcL06oJ9kpQ7D0wC9YjhGYV8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > PARK CITY, KS -- A Tulsa carnival company has signed a letter of > intent to buy Wild West World (WWW) for $2 million. > > Spectacular Attractions (SA), doing business as Murphy Brothers > Exposition (MBE) in Tulsa, also plans to spend $4.2 million to reopen > the bankrupt park with about 35 mobile and permanent rides. Perhaps they should have tried purchasing the park while there were still rides there. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Mon Mar 03 11:44:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76140 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 19:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 19:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sj1-omta01.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 19:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by sj1-omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96866382C2F for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:44:26 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.47ca5ef7.c3300 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:44:23 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlHzFUXSKoM3AIAAAAB,942596eb4a7c21cc16081cafd34abb10 Message-ID: <0F304CB3586748F78A6F129D1AB2FB87@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:44:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Wild West World may sell for just $2 million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=eBM4ngIuOBDAPiRs_unNwIUfdNeoStnhCa-yg_qhX3ufVcV5Vho5i0JVCg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nate Kohlrusch >> PARK CITY, KS -- A Tulsa carnival company has signed a letter of >> intent to buy Wild West World (WWW) for $2 million. >> Spectacular Attractions (SA), doing business as Murphy Brothers >> Exposition (MBE) in Tulsa, also plans to spend $4.2 million to reopen >> the bankrupt park with about 35 mobile and permanent rides. > >Perhaps they should have tried purchasing the park while there were >still rides there. They wouldn't have stood a chance of buying what's left of the park site and infrastrucure for $2 million if they had tryed to buy it then. This way they have a nice empty but functional park site to work with, though unforutnatly it sounds like they'll be dropping in a bunch of their portable carnival rides instead of all perminante rides. Sounds like they're questioning the longevity of the site as well or perhaps just finding a new use for their old rides. www.spectacularattractions.com If I remember correctly, I believe Bells had some unverified claims that it was the Murphy Bros working with the Expo Center that got their park evicted from it's own. I believe they thought that it was the during the Tulsa Fair when the Murphys would set up their rides to go against the rides at Bells park that the Murphys didn't want to share the businesss opportunity anymore and helped put pressure on to get them ousted. I don't think anyone ever proved anything though, so it just could have been bad blood between the two. I believe the Murphys also run the waterpark at the Tulsa Expo Center too, so they're fairly dug in to that site as well. Speaking of Bells... I haven't heard of any developmnets of them being able to find a new home yet. Anyone else heard more? From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Mar 03 11:50:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41269 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 19:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 19:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.181) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 19:50:19 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so696799wag.9 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:50:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr605864wae.76.1204573817426; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.240.7 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:50:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <165816ef0803031150r6c6653a7l8fae018f6f2dcd41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:50:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0F304CB3586748F78A6F129D1AB2FB87@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0F304CB3586748F78A6F129D1AB2FB87@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Wild West World may sell for just $2 million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Wen0I9FVeKAo2kBJtm5lDMI23nXwcEvI9JPyVma96V4tbWA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > If I remember correctly, I believe Bells had some unverified claims that it > was > the Murphy Bros working with the Expo Center that got their park evicted > from > it's own. I believe they thought that it was the during the Tulsa Fair when > the Murphys > would set up their rides to go against the rides at Bells park that the > Murphys didn't > want to share the businesss opportunity anymore and helped put pressure on > to get > them ousted. I don't think anyone ever proved anything though, so it just > could have > been bad blood between the two. I believe the Murphys also run the > waterpark > at > the Tulsa Expo Center too, so they're fairly dug in to that site as well. The park basically went from being owned by a crook who hid behind a Christian facade to someone who has no problem admitting he's a crook. Adam From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 03 12:30:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53271 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 20:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 20:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.187) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 20:30:01 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g11so170830rvb.56 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:30:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.116.16 with SMTP id t16mr415549rvm.60.1204576200854; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:30:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:30:00 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0F304CB3586748F78A6F129D1AB2FB87@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0F304CB3586748F78A6F129D1AB2FB87@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Wild West World may sell for just $2 million X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=_NkpQ1Ucs-cVMsl09zaZLjEIUSgQ0mUPIW3pj7PJbvQhGOYz5Qxq1mc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >Perhaps they should have tried purchasing the park while there were > >still rides there. > They wouldn't have stood a chance of buying what's left of the park site > and infrastrucure for $2 million if they had tryed to buy it then. Of course not. But they still could have gotten the site (with rides included) for a pretty good deal and not had to worry about supplying their own rides. Unless they're really looking to get rid of the rides they currently have (or at least put them to permenant use), it seems like an odd move to me. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 04 07:21:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61779 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 15:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2008 15:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 15:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:21:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:20:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Construction begins on IB's Steel Hawg coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=puJYKgFWO1IWZ3_mujB1jb6Y6Qnjzol3CnrvYwnGTXrYN1s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 03-03-2008 Noblesville Daily Times http://www.county29.net/cms2/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id= =3D11208&Itemid=3D99999999 MONTICELLO, IN -=96 As the city of Monticello puts away its snow shovels, the crew at Indiana Beach (IB) brought out their backhoes and began digging the footers for IB's 6th roller coaster the Steel Hawg. Pieces of the custom steel inverting coaster began arriving at the 83 y.0. amusement park last week. The ride is being manufactured by S&S Worldwide, Inc., and ride sections are scheduled to continue to arrive over the next several weeks. The Steel Hawg, the state's first custom steel inverting coaster, is 96'-tall and will feature a distinctive 120-degree first drop along with multiple inversions. The Steel Hawg will be an entirely unique ride and IB's 6th roller coaster. Anticipation and excitement is building in the air at IB with the arrival of the new coaster as well as with the arrival of the park's new owners, Morgan RV Resorts, which purchased the park from the Spackman family in February. "There is nothing like the feeling that comes with building a new coaster. Employees are excited to come to work each morning to watch the ride's progress," offered John Collins, GM of IB. "This is going to be an outstanding ride, and something that can only be found at IB." "By adding a 6th coaster to IB's collection of thrill rides, we hope to attract even more families to Monticello when the park opens for the season on May 3," added Collins. IB is Indiana's largest amusement resort and dedicated to wholesome family fun. Located in northwest Indiana on beautiful Lake Shafer in Monticello, IN, 95 miles north of Indianapolis or 110 miles south of Chicago, IB is home to 6 roller coasters, an exciting water park, sandy beach, 2 campgrounds, shopping, dining, dancing and more. IB is owned and operated by Morgan the country's largest private owner and operator of RV parks and resorts. Morgan's collection of regional destination resorts provides clean, fun, affordable family vacation getaways offering multiple accommodation options, activities and events for all ages, playgrounds, swimming pools and entertainment. ----------------- =A9 2007-2008 - visualclinic.fr =A92003-2008 Schurz Communications From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 04 07:27:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65952 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 15:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2008 15:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 15:27:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:27:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:27:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:27:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:27:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Coaster contractor gets sentence for killing student X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WG1ijKKQHGCRxfFsrSvS3LVKk3lMB7wXK-xL_SXohkMcp-w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2008-02-25 Xinhua News Agency China View http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/25/content_7668956.htm HEFEI, ANHUI, CHINA -- A roller-coaster contractor has been jailed for 3 months for an accident that killed a student in east China last June, a local court ruled on Monday. He Ping, contractor of amusement facilities at the Xiaoyaojin Amusement Park, was found guilty at the Luyang district court in Hefei, capital of Anhui province, of dereliction of her safety duties. Her sentence was suspended for 6 months. On June 30 last year, a middle school student was crushed to death when the carriage she was riding in suddenly reversed, derailed and fell more than 10 meters to the ground. Another student in the same carriage suffered slight injuries. The General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine found after an investigation that the machinery was poorly maintained and the operators were not licensed to run the facility. --------- Copyright =A92003 Xinhua News Agency From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 04 07:38:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23899 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 15:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2008 15:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 15:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 15:38:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:38:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Magic Mountain adding family coaster in 2009 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zMkYILNiBFG6rvqsFqjshMlT_OW_gzwlxsLRGusvAnEHXfo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb 27, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1403 VALENCIA, CA -- Six Flags (6F) Magic Mountain (MM) officials said a family coaster with no inversions and a 48"-height requirement is "on track" for spring 2009. Despite rampant speculation, the themed coaster will not be a rotating Tony Hawk's Big Spin or an indoor Dark Knight, according to officials at the Valencia amusement park. 6F will debut the $7.5-million Batman-themed Dark Knight coasters this spring at 3 U.S. locations: Great Adventure (NJ), Great America (IL) and New England (MA). 6F unveiled the $6.5-million skateboard-themed Tony Hawk coaster last year at 2 locations =97 St. Louis (MO) and Fiesta Texas (San Antonio) =97 and will add the ride this summer at Discovery Kingdom (Vallejo, CA) and Over Texas (Arlington). MM has not added a new roller coaster since the flying Tatsu in 2006, opting for a $10-million upgrade to the troubled X coaster this year. Since 2006, the "extreme park" has removed the wooden Psyclone coaster, steel Flashback coaster and Freefall thrill ride. In a bid to attract deep-pocketed families, MM plans to add a Thomas Town kiddie land in 2008. An additional kiddie land, Wiggles World, won't come to fruition before 2010, officials said. A location for the new MM coaster has been selected but not made public. (Hat tips to the almighty Roller Coaster Database and the omnipresent Theme Park Review.) ------------ Copyright 2007 Los Angeles Times From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Mar 04 15:07:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12901 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 23:07:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2008 23:07:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 23:07:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35247 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2008 23:07:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cntXAO0VM1mekbaVbnQ7CONH1E7PAGbJqsROV4tk X-Received: from [72.79.233.251] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:07:28 PST Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:07:28 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1204586434.2097.67159.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <574180.34226.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: UPDATE: 'Dark Knight' set to open in April X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=180dDZGztsC-MKx2ymwmAVSEkhQb2Y0gPXI39jFYFB3rwEAFA3DY X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Brooke Gabbert, 6FGA public relations manager, said the company is pushing to make up for about 2 weeks lost because of bad weather < Hmmm...it seems like they're trying to make up for lost time at SFNE too. Only the queue line built so far? I'd say that's more than a little behind. But oh wait -- it's a wild mouse inside a Butler building.... > The $7.5 million coaster will be housed in a 7-story building next to "Superman: Ultimate Flight." < Well, there's another nail in the coffin for the New Orleans theming. Maybe they should just create a "Six Flags DC Comics" park and be done with it. > "People will be amazed at the theming we have in place for the coaster," she said. "It really takes on a role in itself." < It better, since the ride is nothing much. > Pohlman said the need to erect the building first is to help set up the artistic content for the coaster, such as specialized lighting, cat walks and artistic themes. < I like the euphemism of "artistic content" instead of lights, rigging and painting. Jay, who with each passing day seems more and more like a curmudgeon --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Mar 04 15:14:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84512 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 23:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2008 23:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 23:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 23:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 23:14:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:14:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.233.251 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Rock Bottom test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ZCUBLX9B-m3-nxLzWG5HN08QOFUpM16s3p9gQriU4nj7YGQJGyU_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The Mall of America's new Gerstlauer coaster was caught by the mall's webcam during a test run. It's a pretty amazing and serendipitous photo. Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 05 09:56:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22818 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 17:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 17:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 17:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 17:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 17:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 17:56:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:56:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney Adjusting Animal Kingdom Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BVNfZWBRO79nUFdXwl03QItrAcEsf1l0X_TKEOIZlZF-jFw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 5, 2008 The Associated Press The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/05/AR200803050= 1389.html LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Walt Disney World (WDW) plans to make safety changes to an Animal Kingdom roller coaster in response to the death last year of an employee after she was struck by one of the ride's cars. Disney is changing the entry and exit areas of Primeval Whirl by installing sensor mats in restricted-access areas. In addition, the ride platform will be extended and bold stripes will be added to the load and unload zones, WDW spokeswoman Kim Prunty said Wednesday. The sensor mats will shut down the ride if a person sets foot there, she said. Ride attendant Karen Price was hit by a ride car and fell from a platform on Nov. 24. She died a few days later. The U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration is still investigating the death. The safety work is being done after hours and will take a few weeks. It shouldn't disrupt operation of the ride, Prunty said. ----------- =A9 Copyright 1996-2008 The Washington Post Company =A9 2008 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 05 10:18:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4953 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 18:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 18:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 18:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 18:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 18:18:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:18:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney debuts Pixar Play Parade on March 14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OVuPBLF5_4PsQCuMIfa88Fc2CvfdurYXH8BY334MTqfG9t8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 3, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1434 By Brady MacDonald ANAHEIM, CA -- Concept art of the Pixar Play Parade debuting at Disney's California Adventure on March 14 shows a series of floats and performers that squirt water and blow bubbles into the audience. The new parade, replacing the underwhelming Block Party Bash, stars Pixar movie characters from "Toy Story," "The Incredibles," "Monsters Inc.," "A Bug's Life," "Finding Nemo," "Cars" and "Ratatouille." An "Incredibles" float features an Omnidroid robot with villain Syndrome at the helm and a flaming baby Jack-Jack atop the ominous automaton. Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone fly personal hovercrafts alongside the floats. Pixar Play ParadeWet zones along the parade route promise "interactive surprises." Buzz Lightyear flies a rocket ship with a water laser in the front and water vapor exhaust in the back. Mr. Potatohead's flower lapel squirts unsuspecting parade watchers. And Nemo and Dory puppets blow bubbles as if they're under water. Check out MiceAge's Dateline Disney column for a promotional video on the parade and Blue Sky Disney for additional concept art. ----------- Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Mar 05 10:25:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46940 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 18:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 18:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.185) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 18:25:00 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so983488rvb.1 for ; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.43.5 with SMTP id v5mr1626132rvj.49.1204741498261; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:24:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:24:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:24:58 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney Adjusting Animal Kingdom Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=M5lfA5IuzmFyuJn6r9mua7-8-vPnxRd3gkzT5Ga0q3bZmI4X28gII68 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Walt Disney World (WDW) plans to make safety > changes to an Animal Kingdom roller coaster in response to the death > last year of an employee after she was struck by one of the ride's cars. Why are employees always being hit by these rides? Is there something about their operation I'm not aware of that necessitates entering the ride area?? -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Mar 05 12:50:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69781 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 20:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 20:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 20:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JX0Z5-0005Js-9W for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: <47CF06D2.2030501@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:47:14 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478360a6c8e3632eb602b5e6fdc1b5753b4a15aa4a35b3bf09c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney Adjusting Animal Kingdom Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=KK3uqsqgu5YG5bppNG7gS_qzkZgpdjMVJRQ-pG5baDBwEwU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Walt Disney World (WDW) plans to make safety > > changes to an Animal Kingdom roller coaster in response to the death > > last year of an employee after she was struck by one of the ride's cars. > > Why are employees always being hit by these rides? Is there something > about their operation I'm not aware of that necessitates entering the > ride area?? > This isn't from a new accident. It's from the one several months back. As far as I know it's the only one that's happened like it on the ride, and I still haven't been able to figure out why she was in that area, nor am I sure that anyone has. I haven't heard of any other incidents like it though. keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Mar 05 13:19:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68207 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 21:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 21:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.190) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 21:19:23 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so1155423rvb.2 for ; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:19:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.187.10 with SMTP id k10mr1800055rvf.86.1204751961780; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:19:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:19:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:19:21 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47CF06D2.2030501@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47CF06D2.2030501@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney Adjusting Animal Kingdom Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=uHPQWEJ-HCi7MCsk-GVyQRYTwXNCARFbXBfHWtcPP9RZGokcBtaPaXo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This isn't from a new accident. It's from the one several months back. > As far as I know it's the only one that's happened like it on the > ride, and I still haven't been able to figure out why she was in that > area, nor am I sure that anyone has. I haven't heard of any other > incidents like it though. A similar incident occurred at SFGAm in 2004: http://www.rideaccidents.com/2004.html#jun15 I *believe* (though am not certain) there may have been a third overseas. Even so, two people (workers no less) have been killed in very similar accidents on identical rides. So I ask again, what's the deal with these rides? -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Mar 05 14:28:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60255 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 22:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 22:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 22:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 22:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 22:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 22:28:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:28:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.233.251 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Surrender X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Mt6twhoqTzNSs9rmgHWUx7vgJkX2r9v6dHkq7wWJKCoe3IvZq_kX X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Frank and Ernest on the key to enjoying roller coasters: Jay From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Wed Mar 05 15:08:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24132 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 23:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 23:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4d.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com) (203.188.202.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 23:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from [202.43.196.224] by n4.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 23:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by t1.bullet.tpe.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 23:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 23:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.166] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 23:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2008 23:08:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 226248.62892.bm@omp501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74912 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2008 23:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [70.127.133.62] by web45104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:08:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:08:30 -0800 (PST) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <76373.74147.qm@web45104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 203.188.202.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: News: CP's Sky Ride Loses Cable (Atleast That's What It Looks Like) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=lxwgGmlXATVAn17c93iH9keuwG3wB0ve-LwtRJM0R9rR8WXTcITI X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those longing for some CP News during these cold weather months in Ohio. Now, I know this is to be expected, but take a look at all 3 webcams. Two of which appear out of commish for now. I noticed this last night. I primarily go to their site for a good idea what the weather in Northern Ohio is doing. http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/fun/webcams/index.cfm Glad I'm down here in FL as this gave me chills, Joe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Mar 05 15:37:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77761 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 23:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 23:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 23:37:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4230 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 23:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Mar 2008 23:37:18 -0000 Message-ID: <47CF2EA8.90405@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:37:12 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76373.74147.qm@web45104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <76373.74147.qm@web45104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: CP's Sky Ride Loses Cable (Atleast That's What It Looks Like) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fa9ZG9NS6wAD_2na4IaEgZZWCGFuThBshs3mhVOawGdDRL-U X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I don't know, the quality of those cameras seem to be pretty in-line with the quality of the rest of the Cedar Fair equipment! :) And as for the skyride, looks like it's just the communication cable rather than the actual line. Cameron. PS: As for getting the chills, I'm actually sad this winter is ending - it's been way too much fun :( THUNDER wrote: > For those longing for some CP News during these cold weather months in Ohio. Now, I know this is to be expected, but take > a look at all 3 webcams. Two of which appear out of commish for now. I noticed this last night. I primarily go to their site for a good > idea what the weather in Northern Ohio is doing. > > http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/fun/webcams/index.cfm > > Glad I'm down here in FL as this gave me chills, > Joe > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing! > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From zelda99@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 05 18:20:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zelda99@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60956 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 02:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 02:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 02:20:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74394 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 02:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO denalid9f50dc9) (zelda99@sbcglobal.net@69.152.204.121 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 02:20:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U1_L8qQVM1l4sy078AWo3pPdmRvi22ndBp5JY5ZeM5vC.zyM2AMUwjt8ukb9WNDWwkrzTwF0Zw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8B9A748924564573BCA609959B6B4D36@denalid9f50dc9> To: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:29:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.3959 Disposition-Notification-To: "KOSTA" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KOSTA" Subject: Re: UPDATE: 'Dark Knight' set to open in April X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259042391; y=EkUfVO4hz-f1rfPzNT90s_A_23W9qoJNuubIltbXOMtuokrGsH1mVP1Uf4_Luhow X-Yahoo-Profile: k2000zelda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FOLKS: Jay et al... I think we need a coaster about a mile long and totally UNDERGROUND! No scenery, just a black hole............... UNTIL! It comes out the side of a 500ft cliff and scares the be-Jesus out of everyone. We can call it Heart Attack! Kosta [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Mar 06 00:41:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62514 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:41:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8B9A748924564573BCA609959B6B4D36@denalid9f50dc9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: UPDATE: 'Dark Knight' set to open in April X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=gPmegudFCiyiyXNbuA61uZpnBwZ8eSPYIfnyduvRdLjC-LRsQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I used to do almost exactly that in RCT! Oh, and track is on site for the Gurnee Dark Knight.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "KOSTA" wrote: > > FOLKS: Jay et al... >=20 > I think we need a coaster about a mile long and totally UNDERGROUND! >=20 > No scenery, just a black hole............... >=20 > UNTIL! >=20 > It comes out the side of a 500ft cliff and scares the be-Jesus out=20 of everyone. >=20 > We can call it Heart Attack! >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Kosta >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 06 08:22:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95903 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 16:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 16:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 16:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 16:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 16:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 16:22:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:22:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags to open Dubai theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZSi6AMS0kbi8Ry86Nle6god-WLW5PfEu_jpAh_2hgx8Hjhk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March. 5, 2008 The Associated Press MS-NBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23481801/ NEW YORK, NY -- Theme park developer Six Flags Inc. (6F) said Tuesday it will partner with Dubai-based developer Tatweer to build theme parks across the Arab world. The financial terms of the deal were not disclosed. 6F said it will work with Tatweer to create a number of new concepts in the region, including 6F theme and water parks, branded restaurants, hotels and retail outlets. 6F said the highlight of the alliance will be a new 6F Dubailand, a 5-million sq-ft theme park in Dubai. The theme park will be the first one 6F has developed outside of North America, the company said. The company said the park will feature entertainment like musical group Wiggles and professional skateboarder Tony Hawk as well as thrill and adventure-themed rides. 6F said the Dubailand park will break ground in 2009. The theme park will be a part of the overall Dubailand project, a 3 billion sq-ft development. The project includes tourist attractions, shopping malls, restaurants and residential units. 6F is the latest company interested in developing theme parks in Dubai, which is becoming an international tourist destination. Last week, the entertainment division of brewer Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc. said it will open 4 theme parks in Dubai. Busch Entertainment Corp. will partner with Dubai developer Nakheel to create the Worlds of Discovery =97 a complex that will include SeaWorld, Aquatica, Busch Gardens and Discovery Cove. -------- Copyright 2008 The Associated Press =A9 2008 Microsoft From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 06 08:28:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84925 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 16:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 16:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 16:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 16:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 16:28:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:28:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Village focuses on theme park expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=j_-7ED57mIwSC7iai3Q_rP46YSFDoy0R3rg38Lj5NEGRqgo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 05, 2008 Herald Sun http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23324156-664,00.html?from=3D= public_rss OXENFORD, QUEENSLAND, AU -- Village Roadshow (VR) says its purchase of a water park in Hawaii is just the tip of the iceberg as it seeks to shift its focus away from cinemas to theme parks. VR also confirmed today that its offer to acquire some assets of MFS Living and Leisure Group was rejected and that it has now ceased discussions with the company. Melbourne-based VR, which recently acquired Sydney Attractions Group, paid $US27 million for the Hawaiian Waters Adventure Park on the big island of Hawaii. "This is a major pointer to the new direction of VR into theme parks," managing director Graham Burke said. "This also is indicative of a lot more going on beneath the water." Burke said VR, which owns theme parks such as Sea World and Wet `n' Wild, will make a significant announcement in the next 3 weeks about another US-based theme park acquisition. Burke said the 12 hectare Hawaiian Waters acquisition, which is due to be completed in May, is expected to be earnings per share accretive in the first year. He said the park will provide the infrastructure to which VR can apply its "highly successful Gold Coast formula". "We're going to take what we've successfully done on the Gold Coast and reprise it in Hawaii. "We will put this park on the map by making it a category killer." Burke said Hawaii attracts a large tourist base, around 7.5 million a year and has a significant local population with not a lot to do. Back in Australia, Burke said the company, which is the nation's largest theme park operator, is not seeing any signs of a slowdown in consumer spending due to rate rises. "We've been operating on the Gold Coast for 16 years and we've never had a bad year. "We've had some bad weather in the last month or two, but excepting for the weather we're trading very powerfully." VR currently holds 98.5% of Sydney Attractions and is in the process of compulsorily acquiring all outstanding shares in the company. The tourism company will be delisted when this has been completed. VR said that the CEO of Sydney Attractions, Kevin Bush, will remain in his role along with other senior appointments, other than the company secretary and chief financial officer who resigned and will not be replaced. ------------- =A9 Herald and Weekly Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 06 08:51:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4114 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 16:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 16:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 16:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 16:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 16:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 16:51:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:51:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Pastors debate park's message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ee8dGUOv-R8AJhVHw7i7Ywnvjnm0AqgR0G6NcgaZmFD5_DA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 05, 2008 The Daily News Journal http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080305/NEWS01/803050325 By Turner Hutchens BLACKMAN, TN -- Education and entertainment or exploitation and excess? Rutherford County's clergy don't all agree on the merits of a proposed Bible theme park in the Blackman community, with some expressing support, others opposition and still others uncertainty. A lunch meeting Tuesday with about 7 area pastors was part of an ongoing effort by the developers of the proposed Bible Park USA (BP) to share information on the project and take feedback, according to Terri Sterling, a spokeswoman for the developers, SafeHarbor Holdings LLC. Tuesday's meeting at the Stones River Country Club, which was closed to media, went very well, said Sterling, who would not say which ministers attended. Another such luncheon is set for 11:30 a.m. March 13 at the club. Sterling said the developers are happy to meet with any ministers interested in discussing the park. Since last July developers have met with representatives of dozens of churches to discuss plans for the Bible-story themed park, she said. "The ministers that we've met with have all been very interested in the park," Sterling said. "They have been interested in receiving information about the park, and they've been very helpful to us in providing suggestions." Though not allowed to attend Tuesday's meeting, The Daily News Journal spoke with other local pastors about their thoughts on the proposed theme park. Associate Pastor Mike Dugan of Calvary Baptist Church, who met with the developers previously, said the plans for the park seem well thought out and well-constructed. "I think it would be good for the economy," he said. "I think it would be good for the churches around it. I just can't see a down side to it." He said the development team seemed to have addressed any potential problems with the park, such as traffic and sound, and seemed open to the ideas of others. Faith in the park? Not everyone shares Dugan's view. The Rev. Bryan Brooks, of Blackman United Methodist Church, said that while he's not dead set against the park, there are some things that worry him. "I've had concerns from the very beginning that have to do with the danger of trivializing something as important as faith and religious commitment," Brooks said. He said he was also concerned that the developers have said the park is a non-interpretive version of the Bible's stories, not meant to reflect any particular view. "That's just not possible," he said. The Rev. Graham Matthews of Key United Methodist Church is more adamant, saying he's entirely against the development of the $175 million park. He said he doesn't like the idea of a commercial development benefiting from the Scripture. "There seems to be nothing sacred or off limits where capitalism is concerned," Matthews said. He said he also opposes non-Christians making money off the Christian faith. "It's a sad commentary on the Christian faith when Jewish businessmen make money on the religious heritage of our faith," Matthews said. "The question is, would the same theme park be acceptable in Israel, and the answer is no." The principals in the development, Armon Bar-Tur, co-founder and managing director of SafeHarbor Holdings LLC, and Ronen Paldi, CEO of Bible Park USA, are both Jewish, Sterling said. Bible Park CEO Ronen Paldi, owns a tourism business in Oregon that specializes in "pilgrimages" from the US to biblical-era countries, said previously the idea was to make that experience available to anyone. "I realized that not everyone has the time or means to travel," he said during a community open house in La Vergne last month. "First, we visualize stories and images from the Bible. We do not teach, preach, convert or explain any of the stories of the Bible. "This is a family-friendly place," he said. "The park is open for anyone who wants to come, including those who do not believe in the Bible. No one will be made to feel unpleasant because they have a different belief system." Matthews said he was also concerned that the park might portray the historical figures of the Bible with inaccurate ethnic characteristics. "Will the characters look like Europeans or the dark people of ancient Egypt and Palestine?" he said. The developers have maintained that the non-denominational park would simply portray the stories of the Bible, without putting any particular interpretation on the stories =97 instead leaving that up to the park's visitors. Getting the word out Morris Proctor, a non-denominational preacher and teacher of pastors, said that anything that can be done to spread the word of God is a good thing. "On the surface it seems like a great idea," he said. "Anything we can do to get the message of the Bible out, I'm all for that." Proctor said he would want to make sure the park used historically and biblically accurate representations. "If it's an accurate portrayal of the contents and theme of the Bible, then I'm all for it," he said. He added there was a danger of distorting the biblical stories if they are portrayed incorrectly. Proctor said it seems like the developers have done the necessary research and intend to be historically and biblically accurate. Megan Ritchie, pastor of First Presbyterian Church in Smyrna, said she plans to attend next week's meeting with developers. She said there needs to be better information on the park put out, and trust with the community has to be built. "I'm just not sure we've been told the whole story," she said. "I'd like for all the people, especially those in the Blackman community, to have all the facts." Plans to rezone 282 acres to allow the park were submitted last month, and the first of several meetings before county planning officials will be held sometime in April. The Rutherford County Commission will ultimately have the final approval on the rezoning of the planned unit development. ------------ Copyright =A92008 The Daily News Journal From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 06 09:01:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10152 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 17:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 17:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 17:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 17:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 17:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 17:01:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:01:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sea World penguins get new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=CBnvH9gUZ_IY_hxUvOV3rX3pU26AOU0fzXhWwv8aWqqxYzw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 07, 2008 Herald Sun http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23333995-5005961,00.html?fro= m=3Dpublic_rss GOLD COAST, QUEENSLAND, AU -- Sea World will today open a new state-of-the-art fairy penguin exhibit, a year after 26 of the birds mysteriously died at the Gold Coast theme park. Penguin Point will initially be home to 11 fairy penguins from Sea World and Perth Zoo. Sea World marine sciences director Trevor Long said Penguin Point had a "natural feel" to it. It is much larger than the previous exhibit - with a capacity of up to 60 birds - and contains 100,000 litres of filtered water in a large pool system for the penguins. There are also 30 specially designed burrows. Long said Sea World hoped to see the penguin population breeding in the near future. More penguins from Coffs Harbour, in NSW, and South Australia were expected soon, he said. Last year an unidentified toxin attacked the brain, kidney and liver of most of Sea World's penguins, killing 26 within days. ----------- =A9 Herald and Weekly Times From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Mar 06 11:00:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41111 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 19:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 19:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 19:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 19:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 19:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 19:00:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:00:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8B9A748924564573BCA609959B6B4D36@denalid9f50dc9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: UPDATE: 'Dark Knight' set to open in April X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=6OmJqO2VSlExl1lb_d__40nbFA1-uLT-wB9vMDYyJsRSTGA8Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Reminds me of the Cannonball water ride at the now-gone Action Park=20 (NJ): You drop yourself into a narrow waterslide tube sticking almost=20 straight up out of the ground (on a hillside). After a short vertical drop, you level out, fly through a full 360+=20 degree circle on your back in complete darkness, then suddenly shoot=20 out the end of the tube... ...into midair, about 10 feet above a river. Ah, good times. Jon Z (never had the nerve to do it a second time) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "KOSTA" wrote: > I think we need a coaster about a mile long and totally UNDERGROUND! >=20 > No scenery, just a black hole............... >=20 > UNTIL! >=20 > It comes out the side of a 500ft cliff and scares the be-Jesus out=20 of everyone. > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 06 14:07:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33219 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 22:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 22:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 22:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 22:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 22:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 22:07:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:07:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.233.251 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags to open Dubai theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=mfFZ7kagECNmU3ZFwBwE00vV2-blZR3_93W26yV0jDlwNCNMS2rL X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme What is it with Dubai all of a sudden? *Everyone* is building there! It's going to be the world's biggest Coney Island. I guess the euro must be doing pretty well. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Mar 06 14:09:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61032 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 22:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 22:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 22:09:48 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so97493wff.24 for ; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:09:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.141.21 with SMTP id o21mr376731wfd.84.1204841387993; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.81.5 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803061409j79abfa98gd9fa9e1810fb3a69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:09:47 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags to open Dubai theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=NfXn15Yn8GsbacH6s1pyINk2NgXTX1FbyIZ_QQqGR2B0F4TpRw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Better than our Dollar right now. Then again, I could barter with beans, chickens and cows - and still have more buying power than I do with a dollar. :) On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM, jay_ducharme wrote: > What is it with Dubai all of a sudden? *Everyone* is building there! > It's going to be the world's biggest Coney Island. I guess the euro > must be doing pretty well. > > Jay > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 06 14:21:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53742 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 22:21:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 22:21:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 22:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 22:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 22:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2008 22:21:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:21:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.233.251 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: UPDATE: Pastors debate park's message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=r-2aRlAzUlgWA2htbJkJUNWPqw7I5-ed3P86bPillJVA1haiw_S5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This park would be a terrific place to bring back the Noah's Ark fun house, like the one at Kennywood. >He said he also opposes non-Christians making money off the Christian faith. "It's a sad commentary on the Christian faith when Jewish businessmen make money on the religious heritage of our faith," Matthews said. "The question is, would the same theme park be acceptable in Israel, and the answer is no."< Well, this issue could open up a whole Pandora's Box and stall the project until the Second Coming. All we need is to get the various religious factions fighting with each other, and there goes family fun out the window. "What would Jesus do?" > He added there was a danger of distorting the biblical stories if they are portrayed incorrectly. < Ummmm...I don't think there were roller coasters in ancient Jerusalem. Nor were there Scramblers, Bumper Cars or any of the rides we take for granted now. Obviously, there will have to be some artistic license much as Disney took with the Hall of the Presidents or Everest. The idea is to convey the *essence* of the story for entertainment purposes. If you want accurate biblical interpretations, build a school. An amusement park's primary function is to entertain guests. If it's well-designed, it might give them an opportunity to possibly become interested in the Bible. But if the park becomes too preachy, it will find a very narrow market. Perhaps the people involved could learn something from this: Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Mar 06 16:20:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2011 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2008 00:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2008 00:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2008 00:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JXQKS-0005JK-KP for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:20:52 -0500 Message-ID: <47D089AD.5010108@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:17:49 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478360a6c8e3632eb604a70b82b93ef07978dfac2e665d9c70b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags to open Dubai theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=QvPhUNAGY4pevAUipQRw8fl2F-EVPGgXQ5rIKiDh8E6d-uo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash jay_ducharme wrote: > > > What is it with Dubai all of a sudden? *Everyone* is building there! > It's going to be the world's biggest Coney Island. I guess the euro > must be doing pretty well. > A lot of it, as I understand it, is that Dubai is basically run by a few (or maybe one) very rich sheik who has made a ton of money off of oil. But their oil deposits are quickly starting to dry up, as well as the natural gas deposits there, so they're taking steps now to build up other industries, most noticeably the theme parks but also several others, to help provide an ongoing economy for the little country once there is no more oil money. keep on ridin' George From dreamwave42@yahoo.com Thu Mar 06 16:25:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave42@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83001 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2008 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2008 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.112) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2008 00:25:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55960 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2008 00:25:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9W56JdsVM1nYsBRsK6d1_x5Jb90wUI19AoMBI8_CaK7FGbafkFnI6pwUXzS91GNnYiVfsNw4ctLwrI11DT_JGKF8ROqWu1aBo4uFC7ahHIdT9190YMA- X-Received: from [68.142.241.236] by web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:25:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:25:27 -0800 (PST) To: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <424943.55308.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: dreamwave42 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags to open Dubai theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64423743; y=EseWLCR949QECu2T9ol3NEoV9AYMg3rHgtAx5XpsiJWiYszfUg X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is exactly correct George. I just got back from Dubai. The amount of development going on there is insane! Andrew On Mar 6, 2008, at 4:17 PM, george burnash wrote: jay_ducharme wrote: > > > What is it with Dubai all of a sudden? *Everyone* is building there! > It's going to be the world's biggest Coney Island. I guess the euro > must be doing pretty well. > A lot of it, as I understand it, is that Dubai is basically run by a few (or maybe one) very rich sheik who has made a ton of money off of oil. But their oil deposits are quickly starting to dry up, as well as the natural gas deposits there, so they're taking steps now to build up other industries, most noticeably the theme parks but also several others, to help provide an ongoing economy for the little country once there is no more oil money. keep on ridin' George ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Mar 07 03:51:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35899 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2008 11:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2008 11:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2008 11:51:48 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so5590223ugc.44 for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:51:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.78.172.20 with SMTP id u20mr3457652hue.12.1204890707162; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:51:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n10sm5072140mue.18.2008.03.07.03.51.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:51:46 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 06:51:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: Ach/1s0N7aHxed+wTzWKGo+4pTVwbQAcrAMg In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0803061409j79abfa98gd9fa9e1810fb3a69@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <47d12c52.0aa5660a.1925.76ef@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags to open Dubai theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=BKD3bOje4_61GF1Piaxbi4xkh3iJvQEdQN7Y-uOnwuEtZ0k X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Better than our Dollar right now. Then again, I could barter with beans, chickens and cows - and still have more buying power than I do with a dollar. :)" True. For those of us selling things with the Euro, either in the US or internationally, it is not easy. Adam ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 08 06:57:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5866 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2008 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.142) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 14:57:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:57:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement-park safety bill goes to Senate floor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rgyQrDaDxytt3XMaPGQxIj2DmEsLuKiDgXljhA63jrjFvEc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 7, 2008 The Courier-Journal http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080307/NEWS01= 01/803070432 By Tom Loftusand & Charlie White FRANKFORT, KY -- A Senate committee gave unanimous approval yesterday to a bill aimed at improving the safety of amusement park rides -- a response to an accident last year in which a Louisville girl's feet were severed. Senate Bill 203 increases fines for safety violations, requires rides to be tested daily and "strengthens quite a bit" the state's scrutiny of operators, said Mark Farrow, chief of staff in the Department of Agriculture (DOA). "It's something we've been looking at doing for several years now," he told the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee. "But obviously the impetus is the horrible incident ...in Louisville." Senate Majority Leader Dan Kelly, R-Springfield, said he expects the bill to pass the full Senate, perhaps early next week. He called the bill a "measured response" to the need for "more rigorous supervision." Last June's accident, at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (6FKK), injured Kaitlyn Lasitter, who is now 14, while she was on the Superman Tower of Power ride. A cable that snapped severed both of her feet; doctors have since reattached one of them, though it may yet have to be amputated if her body rejects it. Randy Lasitter, Kaitlyn's father, said in an interview last night that his family is pleased with the bill. He said it was progress toward making sure that ride operators conduct their businesses with public safety in mind. "This is a long time coming," he said. "Unfortunately, my daughter had to get injured to get this done." Carolyn McLean, a spokeswoman for 6FKK, said the park "has always complied with regulations as outlined by the state and will continue to do so." The bill would give the DOA authority to subpoena business records as part of its investigations and would increase to $10,000, from $1,000, the maximum fine the department can impose for serious violations of safety laws. The bill also requires that: Owners or operators inspect and test each ride each day before opening it to the public. The operators of a ride be at least 18. Currently there is no minimum age requirement. Replacement parts for any ride be approved by the manufacturer. Major accidents be reported to the DOA within 12 hours. Currently such accidents must be reported within 24 hours. McLean said 6FKK, the largest employer of teenagers in the state, opposes the provision that would impose age restrictions on ride operators. "The ability to operate a ride efficiently and safely is not about age, it's about the training process," she said. "Our employees undergo extensive training before they are ever permitted to staff a ride." Lasitter said he believes it is "too much responsibility" for someone under age 18 to operate complex rides like the Tower of Power because "the maturity level is just not there" to make split-second decisions. "They can barely drive a car at that age," he said. The bill's sponsor, Sen. Tom Jensen, R-London, credited Agriculture Commissioner Richie Farmer and his staff for the bill. "You've done a good job on this, and I think we'll all be better off for it," Jensen said. Underlying yesterday's discussion of the bill was the issue of whether the DOA has the manpower to adequately conduct required inspections. "Hopefully you'll have enough people to investigate every incident that does come up," Jensen told Farrow. The DOA as a whole is facing a 12% cut under Gov. Steve Beshear's budget proposal. It would get $22.18 million for fiscal 2008, less than the $23 million it received a decade ago, in 1999. The DOA has 8 full-time inspectors to examine amusement rides. Including the accident at 6FKK, which injured Kaitlyn and 2 friends in the ride car with her, the department investigated 8 accidents last year. Farmer and Farrow have requested funding in the next budget for 5-8 additional full-time inspectors. Farrow acknowledged, however, that those additional positions are unlikely to be funded given the grim state revenue outlook. Chad Halsey, DOA's chief inspector of amusement rides, said after the meeting, "Right now we're doing the bare minimum. ...We're getting by, but we're not doing enough re-inspections, in my opinion, to make sure that all are operating on a safe level." Farrow, however, said that even without additional inspectors the job will be done and that Kentuckians can safely enjoy amusement rides. "Because of the dedication of our staff ... I would say that they're very safe," he said. In its investigation into the 6FKK accident, the DOA is awaiting final test results on the broken cable. The DOA says it should issue the findings of its investigation into the accident within a month or two. ------------ Copyright 2005 The Courier-Journal From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 08 07:12:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81689 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 15:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2008 15:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.164) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 15:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 15:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 15:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 15:12:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:12:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Joyland Opens Saturday, New Ride for 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=J4myFHeojsNY7MO4uZe55wpf41O5zAtlqtgFEkNvAf4-Wss X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 3/7/08 KCBD News Channel 11 http://www.kcbd.com/global/story.asp?s=3D7982159 LUBBOCK, TX -- This weekend, Joyland Amusement Park opens for the 2008 season, and announces a big surprise for the South Plains. Joyland is very excited to announce they will begin construction of a brand new Super Shot Tower Drop ride that will tower over the park at a height of 140'. Riders will accelerate from the 140' height towards the ground at speeds of 50 mph, insuring a thrilling experience for all.=20 Opening weekend also marks the beginning of the naming contest for this new tower drop ride. To enter the contest, anyone can log on to Joyland's website (http://www.joylandpark.com/), and get all the details. The park will open Saturday at 2:00 p.m. ----------- =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2008 WorldNow and KCBD From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 08 07:23:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58504 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 15:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2008 15:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 15:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 15:23:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 15:23:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 15:23:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:23:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park ready for the worst X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=TBoVKrjT1uJCdZtPGGtOj74drfCK-IuW_EovFDuf8gtaq30 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 07, 2008 Lebanon Daily News http://www.ldnews.com/ci_8490597?source=3Drss By Chris Sholly HERSHEY, PA -=97 While most visitors are having fun at Hersheypark (HP), Jay Robertson keeps an eye on the skies, looking for signs of severe weather that could put a damper on the good times. With more than a million visitors each year =97 HP set an attendance record in 2007 with 2.7 million guests =97 the park has to be prepared for severe weather, said Robertson, managing director of safety and security for the Hershey Entertainment Complex, which includes the amusement park, ZooAmerica, HP Stadium and Star Pavilion, HP Arena and Giant Center. For years, the park has had a severe-weather plan in place, and recently it received special recognition for those efforts: Storm Ready Certification from the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration's National Weather Service (NWS). NWS officials presented a plaque to HP officials at a special ceremony this week at the park. "The criteria to meet the certification is pretty involved," said Robertson, adding that it took about 18 months to get the certification. HP became the 1st amusement park and the 2nd private business in PA to receive such certification. "We are trained to a level equal to a lot of the municipalities in PA for response," Robertson said. "And we're proactive. We take measures ahead of time to minimize the risk to our guests. This certification recognizes the systems we already have in place." Robertson and Jason White, HP Entertainment Complex manager for safety and security, oversee a staff of 8 full-time and 250 part-time employees, who are all trained to handle emergencies on any of the properties in the complex. "When the park is full and we have a concert, we're the 3rd-largest city in the state," said Kathy Burrows, HP spokeswoman. On any given day during HP's regular season, which runs May through September, Herco may have as many as 30,000-40,000 people on its properties, many of them at HP or the Giant Center or HP Arena, Robertson said. "The guests are outside their normal element, so they're looking for more direction. They're looking to our staff for directions," he said. The heart of the storm-ready operation is a command center located in HP Arena. Weather broadcasts are monitored on TVs and the Internet, and closed-circuit cameras monitor activity within the complex. An electronic weather station on top of the stadium feeds information like wind speed, direction, temperature, humidity and rainfall into an electronic box inside the command center. The center also has a NOAA weather radio, as well as hand-held radios, a hand-held wind gauge and a lightning-detector gauge. 2 members of the staff oversee the command center when the park is open. "We have daily communication with all (local) EMA agencies, police department, fire department, and the NWS on computer, the weather center on computer and television," Robertson said. When the lightning detector shows there is an imminent danger of lightning in the area, security officials will shut down rides accordingly. Robertson said several staff members received storm-spotter training in Lebanon last year. A weather spotter is trained to look at cloud formations and predict what kind of weather is approaching, explained Matthew Bennett, security supervisor for the HP Entertainment Complex. "Having them out there gives us better predictability for our inside core zone," Bennett said. "We'll take our (weather) spotters and our patrols out a mile in each direction, which gains time for us," Robertson said. If a spotter sees a storm coming, he communicates that information to the command center. "We work with all the other departments in the park to inform our guests if there's an adverse event," Robertson said. In the case of a severe summer storm, guests are directed to HP Arena or other nearby buildings and shelters, he said. In addition to getting people to safety, park officials inspect the park after a storm for damages, including the rides, he said. When the remnants of Hurricane Ivan hit the area in September 2004, it dumped lots of water in the park, he said. "We had 12' of water in some areas of the park," Robertson said, then noted, "We were open the next day. That's a credit to our maintenance staff." ---------- Copyright 2008 Lebanon Daily News & the Media News Group From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Mar 08 15:22:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17452 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 23:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2008 23:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 23:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2008 23:22:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:22:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park ready for the worst X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=w_9TcOopmscynqY5M332-xyzvFh8TEc5-8TA9YTRXFLEKEPW09WD X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 They very well SHOULD be experts on weather..STORM Runner, LIGHTNING=20 Racer...and FARENHEIT on the way! Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 08 15:32:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85056 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 23:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2008 23:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 23:32:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4132 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2008 23:32:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TBReYEwVM1nOVpESiwZYxK8p1WDesqMJlfQ_KIYQeDla3jfJ7tOvenVD3TaW68M3.6cO38y0eGKqe7Z4ZBZN21bX2JOchwvFO6ws4TaD8EDO66VZeWG0mh5FESLeyO1uHozUHiYER35Wnsk- X-Received: from [72.79.192.223] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:32:08 PST Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:32:08 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1204993836.2394.27107.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <663230.4099.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement-park safety bill goes to Senate floor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=_8HUHR-YbitK-236fn777sA2niCj6OIiBl-OKAXyCmuP0IThNds8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While initially I thought this would be a really bad idea, the measure that have been approved seem reasonable, more so than the troublesome new regulations MA put into place. > "It's something we've been looking at doing for several years now," he told the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee. "But obviously the impetus is the horrible incident ...in Louisville." < This is what bothers me, using a single incident to form national policy. When you look at the amusement industry as a whole, there really are very few accidents. The industry should be commended for their safety record, especially given the amount of complex heavy machinery that runs day in and day out. But the only recognition they seem to get is when the press slams them for the infrequent accidents. Much of the legislation seems like common sense to me (making sure ride ops are over 18). I'm not sure "more rigorous supervision" will help. I mean, our state inspector for the Merry-Go-Round told us to put up a mirror in a location that makes little sense. But we complied. Now we have a mirror high on a wall, and it doesn't help with sightlines at all. What's *not* needed are swarms of ill-trained inspectors descending on parks and making pointless recommendations. And then of course, there's going to be all the new paperwork.... Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Mar 09 04:29:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69888 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2008 11:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2008 11:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2008 11:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2008 11:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2008 11:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2008 11:29:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:29:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <663230.4099.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.128.63 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement-park safety bill goes to Senate floor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=_OQEm4LiKhAe4aUO9I3o-Szt7fnB9igkQMRQvq9uMy0pYTiJvrYF X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > This is what bothers me, using a single incident to form national=20 > policy. The article was talking about the Kentucky Senate, not the U.S. Senate, although it wasn't entirely clear at first glance. Still, the point of one bad incident forming state policy isn't really the ideal way to form state policy, either. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Mar 10 05:36:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62393 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2008 12:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2008 12:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2008 12:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2008 12:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2008 12:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2008 12:36:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:36:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Videos uploaded X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=kplSUxNIiaNTTAqcZTbeyJf-OElDSgju5QdDZdeBNOsssrs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I uploaded my videos to Youtube. The main site for them is: http://youtube.com/user/CoasterToolProd . The older ones are admittedly pretty rough, but by the Canada's wonderland video they are watchable. Personally, my two favorites are: European tour (including Oktoberfest): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPWA7MGOb2Os and Coney Island: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DFw0a0szcqqY Enjoy, Adam From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 18:16:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42990 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2008 01:16:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85794 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2008 01:16:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bgfPorUVM1lYXhxrWomZBdSN9lK2MPHxZC13NdHiCapyzzTNm08n8UAxGppx.RCOzK7C4dpGR4riJlfKfDdU7yZ1yp.yWqnLhgQbNrWhy0FAcAjr070- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:16:46 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1205166785.2293.74249.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <198273.84995.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Videos uploaded X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VLHHQ7RhjKRbg6z9fFJLlKWhMrPS276UH5UCR4drD---cVECu7P3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That Coney Island video is terrific, Adam! Thanks for sharing. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 11:14:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33806 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2008 18:13:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:13:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: The Devil Is in Six's Details X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=N75VCIgSTDtpiGU6FjTSL7LL0jZn-_LmtnxkOEEzuqBRbts X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 10, 2008 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008/03/10/the-devil-is-in-sixs-detai= ls.aspx By Rick Aristotle Munarriz NEW YORK, NY -- Even if the economy throws more curves than its signature coasters, Six Flags (6F) is positioning itself to weather the storm this year. This morning's quarterly report out of the regional amusement park operator is encouraging, with momentum carrying over after a robust finish to 2007, and a 42% surge in EBITDA (adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) projected for 2008. Investors normally should not read too much into the final quarter of a company that relies on the summer season to drive the bulk of its performance, but the abridged results bear pointing out.=20=20 Thanks to a healthy December, 6F's revenue climbed 7% to $112.1 million. With a 4% spike in per-capita spending, stacked on top of a 4% increase in turnstile clicks, 6F's top-line results topped Wall Street's expectations. It missed on the bottom line, though. The net loss from continuing operations widened -- from $1.12 a share to $1.43 a share -- but the deficit is padded by non-cash charges like accounting for the removal of poorly performing rides as well as additional stock-based compensation. Perhaps the biggest news out of this morning's conference call is the upbeat outlook and improved recent performance. A strong December has carried over into year-over-year improvement so far during the first quarter. Sure, most of the parks are still closed, but it's encouraging to see 6F improving despite higher gasoline prices and an iffy economy. Those factors may actually be helping the company as locals spring for attractively priced season passes as a substitute for costlier getaways further away. 6F's guidance calls for $270 million in adjusted EBITDA this year, well ahead of the $189.5 million it generated last year. That is based on flat attendance and a modest 1% rise in guest spending. If admissions climb by 3% during the year instead, 6F would post its first year of positive free cash flow in recent history. The cheery outlook was enough to send battered shares of the company soaring 12% at the open, but that's what the market gets for assuming that 6F was just going to keel over and file for bankruptcy. 6F is a speculative enigma. Despite the puny market cap, its enterprise value is padded by a whopping $2.2 billion in long-term debt. That is the kind of leverage that will kill you in bad times but pay off handsomely on the other end of a turnaround. The jury is still out as to how 2008 will play itself out for the amusement park industry. High-end players like Disney and Great Wolf Resorts are seeing patrons willing to spend more than they did a year ago. It's now a mixed bag with the regional operators like 6F and Cedar Fair. Last month found Cedar Fair projecting just a 0-4% improvement in adjusted EBITDA for 2008. 6F is obviously expecting more. Granted, there are some company-specific factors weighing in the improvement at 6F. Despite losing Home Depot as a corporate partner, new partnerships and initial contributions from the company's licensing deal in Dubai, along with lower debt payments and operating improvements, give 6F more ground to make up this year. With so much at stake, especially if 6F is able to turn it up a notch to quiet the critics by generating positive free cash flow, this ride may be as surprising as some of the chain's new enclosed coasters. ----------- =A9 1995 - 2008 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 07:26:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90527 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 14:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 14:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.79) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 14:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:26:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:26:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Six Flags Provides Outlook for 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Mfdw8IlrCk812kOMiSocfWJROVsXvisH-GJMLdrG2bgsDXE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 10, 2008 Six Flags, Inc. PRNewswire-FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 03-10-2008/0004770641&EDATE=3D NEW YORK, NY -- Following this morning's release of results for the quarter and year ended December 31, 2007, Mark Shapiro, President and CEO of Six Flags, Inc. (6F) and Jeffrey R. Speed, Executive VP and CFO, hosted a webcast conference call to discuss the Company's results and provide an updated operational outlook for 2008. "The 6F product and brand are re-emerging," Shapiro stated. "The season is underway and despite a tightening economy, we remain cautiously optimistic -- first quarter attendance has good momentum; season pass sales are up strong double digits; our corporate sponsorship business continues to gain traction; and our strategic expansion into Dubai provides for yet another promising revenue stream." Shapiro expanded on the Company's initiatives for 2008: -- 6F is coming off a year of record per capita guest spending and guest satisfaction, driven by the implementation of 6F's new in-park strategy, which began in 2006, focusing on improving and diversifying the in-park entertainment experience. -- The new attraction program for 2008 continues the strategy of diversifying and improving the product offering with 8 coasters in 8 parks and continued expansion of the Wiggles World and Thomas the Tank Engine franchises. -- Additional guest spending growth is targeted for 2008; driven by upgrades of the in-park product offering and the continued roll-out of additional units of Papa John's, Johnny Rockets, and Cold Stone Creamery, as well as growth related to the Company's photography business operated by Kodak. -- 6F's corporate sponsorship business combined with new international licensing opportunities is expected to provide excellent growth, with approximately $51 million of revenue targeted for 2008. -- To facilitate sponsorship growth, 6F has been rapidly expanding its in-park signage, television and radio broadcasting to provide sponsors with a wide range of alternatives to reach potential customers. -- International expansion will be driven by annual fees, beginning this year, from 3rd-party developers for brand exclusivity, design and development services, and, upon park opening, licensing royalties. -- 6F will continue to leverage its dynamic new venues for growth. In 2007, the Company acquired 40% of Dick Clark Productions, Inc., ("DCP"), the producer of TV event programming such as the Golden Globe Awards, the American Music Awards and the Academy of Country Music Awards. Recently, 6F announced it would assume management oversight of DCP, exploiting logical synergies within its stable of parks to create a fully integrated entertainment and sponsorship platform. 6F expects that DCP will experience strong earnings growth over the next several years, while paying 6F an annual management fee. -- Cash operating expenses are expected to decline by $55-million, reflecting reduced marketing and full-time labor costs, seasonal labor efficiencies from an automated labor scheduling system that the Company will expand throughout its parks, and the removal of inefficient rides and attractions. -- Marketing efforts for 2008 will be more targeted and efficient through the use of increased online channels and less radio advertising, while concentrating media on the front end of the season. Additionally, 6F intends to capitalize on its ever-increasing database of customers, established in 2006. -- The risk to 6F from an economic slowdown is difficult to determine, but certain factors give rise to cautious optimism. 1st, historically 6F's business has been relatively stable during recessionary periods. 2nd, as a result of the increased appeal of its parks, 6F is poised to benefit from families who will likely stay closer to home and seek affordable entertainment options. Finally, the income tax rebates due to arrive in May should provide an economic stimulus that directly benefits 6F's business. In his discussion, Speed spoke to the prospects for 6F to achieve positive free cash flow. For 2008, with attendance flat at 24.9 million, the Company would generate Adjusted EBITDA of approximately $270 million and be within $25 million of achieving positive free cash flow, assuming the following: -- Increased per capita guest spending of $10-million; -- Sponsorship and international licensing growth of $13-million; -- Full-year benefit of DCP and Discovery Kingdom investments of $7-million; -- Cash operating expense savings of $50-million; -- Reduced capital expenses to $100-million; and -- Cash interest, dividends and taxes of $195-million With regard to 6F's ability to achieve positive free cash flow in 2008, Speed stated: "Through increased guest spending and new high margin revenue streams, combined with meaningful cost and capital expense efficiencies, we have positioned 6F to generate positive free cash flow for the first time in its history." --------------- SOURCE Six Flags, Inc. Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 07:46:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15849 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 14:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 14:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 14:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:46:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:46:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Six Flags to Develop Theme Parks in the Arab World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NeL_hBbwb2_hj9YY-yoW8J6YXn1gNzf9WlppeXDG2wxzqQI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 4 Six Flags, Inc. PRNewswire-FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 03-04-2008/0004767504&EDATE=3D DUBAI, UAE -- Tatweer, a member of Dubai Holding, announced today a strategic alliance with US-based Six Flags, Inc. (6F), the world's largest theme park company, to develop thrill-driven theme parks across the Arab world. The highlight of the strategic alliance will be the development of 6F DUBAILAND(6FDL), a 5-million sq-ft multi-billion dirham theme park within the world's largest tourism, leisure and entertainment destination. The first 6F project to be developed outside of North America, the theme park comes as part of Tatweer's tactical contribution to Dubai Strategic Plan 2015, which aims to develop the emirate into a leading global hub for tourism and leisure. Featuring its signature line-up of thrill and themed adventure rides and attractions, 6FDL will boast world renowned entertainment franchises such as the children's musical group Wiggles and professional skateboarder Tony Hawk. 6FDL's unique components will complement 6F's award-winning productions and original programming, such as Operation Spygirl, the 'Big E' Entertainment Award recipient at the 2007 IAPAA Trade Show and Convention. Tatweer and 6FDL also will work together to integrate their expertise to create new concepts across the region, such as 6F theme and water parks, branded restaurants, hotels and retail outlets that will holistically offer unique travel and vacation opportunities for tourists, families and visitors worldwide. For the theme park project, 6F will conceptualize and oversee the master plan based on its history in that arena, which includes the development, ownership and management of 21 parks across North America. Groundbreaking is expected in 2009. Additionally, the 6F Corporate Alliance division will represent DUBAILAND(R) for international corporate sponsorship opportunities. Saeed Al Muntafiq, Executive Chairman of Tatweer, said: "The addition of 6F, one of the world's most reputed leisure and entertainment companies, to our burgeoning portfolio complements DUBAILAND's(R) value proposition as an unrivalled tourism destination. It is a privilege for Tatweer to be selected by 6F as its regional partner and DUBAILAND(R) as the destination to host the first 6F theme park outside of North America." 6FDL will join the elite repertoire of Tatweer owned world class projects at DUBAILAND(R) destination such as BAWADI(R), The Tiger Woods Dubai, Universal Studios DUBAILAND(R), DreamWorks Animation Park, Hit Entertainment and Global Village. Al Muntafiq added: "The new alliance with yet another global leisure and entertainment leader such as 6F consolidates Tatweer's commitment to becoming a leading global tourism, leisure and entertainment investor, and a key contributor to the tourism objectives of Dubai Strategic Plan 2015." Mark Shapiro, President and CEO of 6F, said: "This is a historic day for our company. Expanding 6F beyond our current North American borders validates the growing strength and momentum of our brand. Through this partnership with Tatweer, we now have the opportunity to create a world-class theme park destination that will allow guests from around the globe to experience 6F's unique combination of thrills and entertainment." The 3-Billion sq-ft DUBAILAND(R), a member of Tatweer, comprises projects that include DreamWorks Animation Park, Universal Studios DUBAILAND(R), BAWADI(R), Global Village, and projects that are under advanced stages of development including Dubai Sports City, Motor City, Falcon City, Dubai Heritage Vision, and Al Barari. The Polo and Equestrian Club and City of Arabia are currently in the initial stages of infrastructure work. ------------- SOURCE Six Flags, Inc. Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 07:49:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65717 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 14:49:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 14:49:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 14:49:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:49:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:49:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:49:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:49:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: The Dark Knight Coaster video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FzRNEXnN-00nbLsgFYj7PuF3t4Wb-kEGGxkbHXu7Gn_R_zk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 If you haven't seen the new promo video for the "The Dark Knight Coaster" yet on the Six Flags website, here's the link: http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/sixflags/32174/ Unfortunately (to me) it looks rather cheesy. -Alan From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 07:55:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7246 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 14:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 14:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.185) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 14:55:17 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so3185063rvb.18 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:55:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.18.14 with SMTP id v14mr5175973rvi.125.1205333716026; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:55:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:55:15 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The Dark Knight Coaster video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=q6O9Ein3cHh22liLN37sK30NHnYjChDL0d-nx08W67l1EHMqsemhT9g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Unfortunately (to me) it looks rather cheesy. Curious what looks cheesy about it...and what else you were expecting. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 07:58:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28293 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 14:58:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 14:58:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 14:58:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:58:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:58:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 14:58:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:58:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: 6F Releases Elements of 'The Dark Knight' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=i_UKnyJY-G_9qPzxKgRdQiyavLCgu59q0q7mY2eqGMLN_q4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 3, 2008 Six Flags, Inc. PRNewswire http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/sixflags/32174/ NEW YORK, NY -=97 Six Flags, Inc. (6F) released today key thematic elements of the highly anticipated "The Dark Knight Coaster," (TDKC)an indoor roller coaster based on Warner Bros. (WB) Pictures' upcoming movie The Dark Knight (TDK). Featuring DC Comics' characters Batman and The Joker, the $7.5 million ride will open at 3 parks this spring - 6F Great Adventure in Jackson, NJ; 6F Great America in Gurnee, IL; and 6F New England in Agawam, MA. "The design and construction of this ride will combine the excitement of TDK movie with the thrill of a roller coaster - merging the 2 worlds into one unforgettable experience for our guests," said Mike Antinoro, 6F Executive VP of Entertainment and Marketing. "TDK film is a powerful follow-up to Batman Begins and we expect TDKC to be a can't miss event for all audiences this summer as well." "We're excited to partner with 6F to deliver an experience for Batman fans like never before," said Karen McTier, Executive VP of Domestic Licensing and Worldwide Marketing, WB Consumer Products. "TDKC will give fans a firsthand experience, immersing them with the sights, sounds and thrills of crime fighting in Gotham City." "TDKC will offer both fans of the film and of Batman a thrilling new way to experience the characters and their world," says Cheryl Rubin, SVP Brand Management, DC Comics. More than just a ride, TDKC is an adventure that utilizes storytelling, physical movement, video, sound and special effects to bring guests a one-of-a-kind dark ride thrill. As part of the experience, park guests will see, hear and feel the action of the movie the moment they enter the ride queue line, as they are transformed into citizens of Gotham City - caught in the middle of a city under siege and torn apart by The Joker. Guests will then board a Gotham City rail car and careen through demented hallways of twists, turns, unseen hills and chaotic images, and continue to be tormented by The Joker as they are thrust onto the battlefield of good vs. evil. Will The Dark Knight save them in time? TDKC will introduce new, customized footage featuring District Attorney Harvey Dent (as portrayed by Aaron Eckhart), produced and shot specifically for TDKC. The ride will also incorporate audio and visual elements from the film. The opening of TDKC will be perfectly timed to coincide with the debut of TDK which opens July 18th. ------------ SOURCE Six Flags, Inc. Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. Copyright =A9 2008 DC Comics, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 08:03:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94156 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 15:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 15:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 15:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 15:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 15:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 15:03:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:03:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: The Dark Knight Coaster video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Qkoj9bL1AcrCpnliWxo0BEqU7-c-1Hmf7HRIiplOEjdYJn4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I guess you're right. It just kind of looks like a cross between Skull Mountain, and DCA's Mulholland Madness. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Unfortunately (to me) it looks rather cheesy. >=20 >=20 > Curious what looks cheesy about it...and what else you were expecting. >=20 > -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Wed Mar 12 08:05:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96547 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 15:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 15:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta18.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 15:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EAB40DF9 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47d73fe2.4dd3f for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:05:54 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH1/FSX2VUPAIAAAAB,871dd205875da7f9ba2b9a7803c57669 Message-ID: <0ADBF00D1CFF46A0BD02AABA5A86E5A0@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:06:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The Dark Knight Coaster video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=UOcjpb_SwvIbD6uGWAB_aY7J_CECwll5zz4kWs5qEuOHtgt2lpZxH6Nzbg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan If you haven't seen the new promo video for the "The Dark Knight Coaster" yet on the Six Flags website, here's the link: http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/sixflags/32174/ Unfortunately (to me) it looks rather cheesy. ----- I've got to agree, though it's hard to tell what the final product will look like for sure based on this poorly edited trailer, but I was disapointed to see that everything looks like a bunch of 2D cutouts instead of full 3D rendered props. Hopefully the final product will not be that way, but hey... even Disney went the cheesy 2D cutout route with Rock 'n Roller Coaster which was also a disapointment for me. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 08:06:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90894 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 15:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 15:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.230) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 15:06:23 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c55so2207768wra.11 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:06:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr5184333rvi.67.1205334382583; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:06:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:06:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: The Dark Knight Coaster video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=PRsNBxAsGkcW47p1odX8nMBigFfqA2Ye-Jc5ZzWHWwMtLooarnpS9fA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I guess you're right. > It just kind of looks like a cross between Skull Mountain, and DCA's > Mulholland Madness. In other words, just like any other non-Universal indoor coaster? :) -Nate From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 10:49:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9524 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 17:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 17:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 17:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 17:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2008 17:49:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:49:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.138.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: The Dark Knight Coaster video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=k_4PePgF64n1nYJx-iZoBwkzVybBRtbwCHJZ8aZe-p0gVPQKXrm0 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > If you haven't seen the new promo video for the "The Dark Knight > Coaster" yet on the Six Flags website, here's the link: > http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/sixflags/32174/ >=20 > Unfortunately (to me) it looks rather cheesy. >=20 > -Alan > Mozzarella, Romano, and Cheddar rolled into one! I'll still ride it=20 though...I LOVE cheese! Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 13:23:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96710 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 20:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2008 20:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 20:23:44 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a46so2169350rne.9 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr3942712wfb.37.1205353423348; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.81.5 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803121323se819048h5b8863b4be23bf0a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:23:43 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: The Dark Knight Coaster video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=iexr-cCf3rgA_hqegJEBnFOLBP_N1ILZffUYSKqundYbQTCGmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't see the "cheese" factor, either. IMO, the trailer wasn't bad. Looks like a batman-themed "Exterminator" - minus the spinning, but you get the idea... Josh On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Alan" wrote: > > > > If you haven't seen the new promo video for the "The Dark Knight > > Coaster" yet on the Six Flags website, here's the link: > > http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/sixflags/32174/ > > > > Unfortunately (to me) it looks rather cheesy. > > > > -Alan > > > Mozzarella, Romano, and Cheddar rolled into one! I'll still ride it > though...I LOVE cheese! > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 18:01:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78272 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 01:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 01:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 01:01:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1992 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2008 01:01:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4cnD8_UVM1nv7USOH5nltZWLlgvCsjhW79_eE0bwKqCa.ys_hH_nsQl1VCPdQOrYYYQ9v5cYFzbk7UF7kz5Q42ijwM37U9s9tNnVp9RW4tO90SwhmSI- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:01:08 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:01:08 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <866400.99626.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=qhmOentA16rt1Y7oeNL8b1hs0bUpoj4xTs-sNBmWtd_lTQNv_y9v X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's slow going in Agawam, with a little over a month left till the park opens: Jay (And I agree, the DK video doesn't look great. And it especially doesn't look like a "family" ride.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 18:31:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59649 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 01:31:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 01:31:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 01:31:30 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so2587848rvb.30 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.136.19 with SMTP id o19mr5515065rvn.250.1205371890690; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:31:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <866400.99626.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <866400.99626.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=cRWeFFdEqBYZNumo05RiCNtS2b-GS0ucCADssVX-EDewgbYpGt1h_Sw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > (And I agree, the DK video doesn't look great. And it especially doesn't look like a "family" ride.) Guess that depends on whose family you're talking about. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 05:06:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75199 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 12:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 12:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 12:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JZmC2-0006Vr-My for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:05:54 -0400 Message-ID: <47D917E5.8070402@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:02:45 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <866400.99626.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f33d9320559beb67b6a4b59cc8acc82a3be7852a4073772c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ntFuGsnIjdmwTP4qE-ro6qmU8VrsKCDpet0P67nQUSzNXBw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > (And I agree, the DK video doesn't look great. And it especially > doesn't look like a "family" ride.) > > Guess that depends on whose family you're talking about. > Finally got a chance to look at it myself, seems like a fine ride for those that are going to meet the height requirement. Standard height on a mouse is 48", right? That means that the kids going on it will be at least 6 years old, with a few exceptions. That should be plenty old enough. It actually looks like it might even be a little more themed than I expected. I like the tunnel look. But I'm not sure what more you could do with a mouse. It's already stuck in a box, then combined with some light up signage... That's what they do on the Mummy coasters, on Rock and Roller Coaster, and on the couple of other themed mice that Disney has. Looks like it's about par for the course there- about as much as could be expected. Looks decent enough to me- I know that all of us would ride it if we were in the park. keep on ridin' George From lance@screamscape.com Thu Mar 13 06:03:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73603 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 13:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 13:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 13:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BF142CD3 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:02:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47d73fe2.e2f27 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:02:33 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH2SXpgYKL2AIAAAAB,5742f582f022b7cb4a62daf842b1d23e Message-ID: <9914DB6993CB4C71BCEFE53AB0F33FBA@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <866400.99626.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D917E5.8070402@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <47D917E5.8070402@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:02:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=xHa_V4CAjf2Kt3N4zKF3wskZUsSbV2-5NhE4UKRu-cGaXTeVVnU4Dsa9uQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>It actually looks like it might even be a little more themed than I expected. I like the tunnel look. But I'm not sure what more you could do with a mouse. It's already stuck in a box, then combined with some light up signage... That's what they do on the Mummy coasters, on Rock and Roller Coaster, and on the couple of other themed mice that Disney has. << I think there is a lot more you could do with a mouse myself... I rememebr being so disapointed in the tame themeing on Rock 'n Roller coaster and especially Primeeval Whirl after seeing what a small park like Kennywood could do with Exterminator, the exact same coaster. The problem here, which is something the general public will have no clue about however, is that they picked the world's most common mouse coaster to do this with.. the standard Mack Rides Wild Mouse. I was so hoping they would move on to another design or at least use the Mack spinning coaster system Knott's put in last year because it's fantastic and new. As for what else you can do with a mouse... while I haven't riden myself, I think Disney did a great job themeing the standard Maurer Sohne spinning coaster design used on Crush's Coaster in Paris, a design we may be copied in the US before too long. They just added a little extra track at the start and finish to allow for a different station and some extra themeing apparently. Oh... and while The Mummy does use 2D cutouts... they only use them in the fast/dark section of the ride. The rest of The Mummy is heavily themed with 3D sets, so I'm kind of hoping we can see something more like than on The Dark Knight Coaster instead of it looking like cheap 2D sets everywhere. 2D is fine on fast moving dark sections I suppose where you only are supposed to get a quick flash of what's going on, but if your trying to tell a story with your sets, the more detailed they are, the better. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Mar 13 07:24:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70100 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 14:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 14:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 14:21:53 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so1936067rvb.0 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.132.8 with SMTP id j8mr5779971rvn.167.1205418113551; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:21:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9914DB6993CB4C71BCEFE53AB0F33FBA@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <866400.99626.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D917E5.8070402@earthlink.net> <9914DB6993CB4C71BCEFE53AB0F33FBA@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=XFpy9VNfOBZ03f_JUTxF_9K2FlWW1qEj_3NtrZn66YUeJWyA1HIYLnY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Finally got a chance to look at it myself, seems like a fine ride for > those that are going to meet the height requirement. Standard height on > a mouse is 48", right? That means that the kids going on it will be at > least 6 years old, with a few exceptions. That should be plenty old enough. Exactly my point. Since when does "family" mean that toddlers have to be able to ride? How many rides can you list at regional theme parks that actually entertain everyone, from toddler to grandparent? These coasters will be exciting and perfectly acceptable for a huge number of families. Kids six years old are going to eat it up, teens are going to like the thrills, and even adults will probably enjoy it. So what's the problem? > I think there is a lot more you could do with a mouse myself... > I rememebr being so disapointed in the tame themeing on Rock 'n Roller > coaster and especially Primeeval Whirl after seeing what a small park like > Kennywood could do with Exterminator, the exact same coaster. Exterminator is a fantastic ride, but I don't think they did anything with that ride that's any more mind-blowing than Rock 'n Roller Coaster or this Dark Knight coaster. Exterminator has one or two animatronics on the lift and a large set piece (the furnace) set in the middle of the ride. There's no story, and no major 3-D effects that I can think of. I think Kennywoood did an excellent job, but let's not pretend it's the second coming of themed roller coasters. >I was so hoping they > would move on to another design or at least use the Mack spinning coaster > system Knott's put in last year because it's fantastic and new. It's a little hard to tell a story or construct any elaborate special effects when you don't know which direction your audience will be facing (see Exterminator). > Oh... and while The Mummy does use 2D cutouts... they only use them in the > fast/dark section of the ride. The rest of The Mummy is heavily themed with > 3D sets, so I'm kind of hoping we can see something more like than on The > Dark Knight Coaster instead of it looking like cheap 2D sets everywhere. Where is the Dark Knight going to have slow sections (besides the lift)? :) -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 09:43:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50228 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 16:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 16:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 16:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2008 16:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2008 16:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2008 16:43:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:42:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Skyscraper To Spin at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=a5dAQif1jjm3NosX4o1LgiiJzMY7ZwwAq156T_R79SGmWDo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Feb. 12, 2008 PRNewswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 02-12-2008/0004754414&EDATE=3D SANDUSKY, OH -- Just when you thought that they couldn't possibly add any more thrills and wild rides to the shores of Lake Erie, Cedar Point (CP) amusement park/resort has announced that Skyscraper, a towering thrill ride, will debut this summer in the Challenge Park activity complex. Skyscraper will be unlike any ride you have ever experienced on the CP Peninsula. Featuring a giant propeller consisting of 2 arms that will spin guests in a full circle, Skyscraper is one of the most thrilling rides in the amusement industry. 4 riders, 2 on each arm, will sit in open cars with their feet dangling, on opposite ends of the propeller. The arms of the propeller quickly rotate in a clockwise or counterclockwise direction, spinning riders 16 stories into the air at speeds of up to 55 mph. At its highest point, riders will be upside down 160' above the ground! The hair-raising ride lasts approximately 2 minutes. Onlookers can take part in the fun by watching a live streaming video of the passengers screaming in delight as they soar through the air. Riders aboard Skyscraper will have the opportunity to purchase this memorable video after completing their thrilling ride. Manufactured by Gravity Works, Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, Skyscraper will welcome its first passengers when it opens to the public in May. Skyscraper will have an individual ride fee, and admission to CP will not be required. "We are very excited about introducing a ride of this caliber to Challenge Park," said Bill Spehn, VP of park operations for CP. "Skyscraper will be a great addition to the thrilling rides and experiences that we offer our guests this summer." Located between CP and Soak City, Challenge Park also features the RipCord Skycoaster, 2 high-speed go-kart tracks and 2 challenging 18- hole miniature golf courses. Challenge Park is open to the public, and admission to CP or Soak City is not required. Each attraction requires a separate fee. Special combo packages that include discounted tickets for the attractions at Challenge Park will be available this summer. --------- SOURCE Cedar Point Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 09:48:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16975 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 16:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 16:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 16:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2008 16:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2008 16:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2008 16:48:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:48:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: The Cure for Cabin Fever X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZOyZTSnpzlvRKErDKav42E2VnnJ6uiijO1m5Oozjn2_bsBc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 11, 2008 PRNewswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 03-11-2008/0004771971&EDATE=3D SANDUSKY, OH -- Many people in Ohio spent the weekend shoveling snow in temperatures well below freezing. However, for some people in Sandusky, OH, the weekend was packed with fun activities in 80-degree temperatures! Providing this relief from the weather was Castaway Bay (CB) -- Cedar Point's year-round indoor waterpark resort. From the wet and wild fun of its indoor waterpark, to all of the "dry" kid-friendly activities, CB is the perfect destination for families with young children who are looking for a break from all of the snow and cold temperatures. Highlighting the fun at CB is the indoor waterpark. While moms and dads relax on lounge chairs or in the whirlpool spa, kids enjoy the activity pools, an indoor wave pool, water slides, a water roller coaster and much more. Little ones even get into the watery fun in the toddler's Tide Pool, complete with water slides, geysers and other special attractions designed just for them. The family fun doesn't end in the waterpark. At Camp Castaway, children enjoy making their own crafts or designing their own souvenir T-shirts, while at Club Castaway, kids can sing and dance with the PEANUTS characters and enjoy a movie and story time with Snoopy! "CB is just the right size for families with young children," stated Susan Shick, Fairview Park, OH, who was vacationing with her family and granddaughter at CB. "The waterpark was so much fun and our granddaughter loved seeing the PEANUTS characters. She had her picture taken with Snoopy and enjoyed story time on Saturday evening in her pajamas!" Recently, CB was named as one of "The Top 10 Best Indoor Waterpark Resorts" in North America by About.com. CB offers a variety of money-saving packages, including a family fun package that includes overnight accommodations, waterpark admission, a family pizza meal, in-room movie, color your own T-shirts or backpacks and a family photo with a PEANUTS character all for one low price. Special packages for birthday parties and groups are also available. To book a tropical getaway and escape the winter blues, log on to castawaybay.com or call 419.627.2106. ------------ SOURCE Cedar Point's Castaway Bay Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 15:31:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39423 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 22:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 22:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 22:31:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44775 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2008 22:31:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m7HKSZkVM1l_U9fJ9O9ZfdoxnTUhVkJxzV0hOH1wpzmiJpxPThq4HfRhhuax1lcFEHcLHRezdSFezJ4bfXBfT6Jf8VmJtiQZ5ztD7mtULLjByXL5kH9XBEZlPIifPNlRXfsjK9asnXkQW_Q- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:31:16 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1205426850.1344.89893.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <346975.42626.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ihg5i1jntjbj0JsprGKjQzy0H23gJqlq0aXtCnWs7J8bl4gZIY_O X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Guess that depends on whose family you're talking about. < I'm talking about mine, Nate. :-) It's not "toddlers" who I think should be catered to. They already have the Tank Engine and Wiggles. What about older adults (like Karen and me) who enjoy antique cars, ferris wheels, trains, swan boats, etc.... I consider those "family" rides, because the whole family -- from diapers to Depends -- can ride together. Grandpa probably isn't going to try Dark Knight. Neither is an older mom. But the teens will love it. That's why IMO Six Flags is once again missing the "family" market. They put in toddler or teen rides, but nothing that's truly for everyone. As much as Shapiro would like to think otherwise, SFNE is still a thrill park. And that's why families are still flocking to Lake Compounce and Canobie Lake. Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu Mar 13 15:38:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81626 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 22:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 22:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 22:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37C4412B1 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47d950cc.38684 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:37:58 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH2azGq7/uhwIAAAAB,261cc09cbb1764c070de0aa6f68170da Message-ID: <8285EE2D424D42E38B34EFE09EE47609@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <866400.99626.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D917E5.8070402@earthlink.net> <9914DB6993CB4C71BCEFE53AB0F33FBA@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:38:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=IdYnes4EfzbI3qFJ3Q9CP-kDOpFWlb1j9eDAQA-Nq0IJHOvW-xp9nhHsYg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Exterminator is a fantastic ride, but I don't think they did anything with that ride that's any more mind-blowing than Rock 'n Roller Coaster or this Dark Knight coaster. Well there's nothing really mind blowing about Rock 'n Roller Coaster. But for a small park with next to no budget compared the the huge budgets Disney puts on things, I think Kennywood did it right on Exterminator. There is story as I recall... not really one during the ride, just the pre-ride story about Exterminators going into the old building that is full of giant rats. ;-) Still... the comparisons to Exterminator was really meant to be a direct comparison to what Disney did a couple of years later with the exact same coaster... spent the money to buy two of them side by side and did a half-assed themeing job that looks goofy and lame. Of course then they did it all over again at DCA with Mullholand Madness, the same coaster that Dark Knight will be. So on that front, it's nice to see Six Flags put the same ride system to better use than Disney. >>It's a little hard to tell a story or construct any elaborate special effects when you don't know which direction your audience will be facing (see Exterminator).<< True... to a point. But Popeye at IOA has pretty much the same problem and if you build your sets right along with the right audio queues to go with the story, it can be done. >>Where is the Dark Knight going to have slow sections (besides the lift)? >>:) If they apply heavy braking like so many other parks do... the entire top section of switchbacks could be on the slow slide. From lance@screamscape.com Thu Mar 13 15:48:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84292 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 22:48:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 22:48:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 22:48:46 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D529C4304E for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:48:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47d95183.2d36a for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:48:45 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH2a9NklnFHAIAAAAB,71f3daa940fe5dfda187fe63aa14e562 Message-ID: <8BF154112AE440E99C0D87AC67895819@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <346975.42626.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <346975.42626.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:48:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=nDPi4iiKQDt06E4K62iluAcQuMcb4AsGobISwJJkbPQaDyhs42FmNx0jQg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>What about older adults (like Karen and me) who enjoy antique cars, ferris >>wheels, trains, swan boats, etc.... I consider those "family" rides, >>because the whole family -- from diapers to Depends -- can ride together. >>Grandpa probably isn't going to try Dark Knight. Neither is an older mom. >>But the teens will love it. That's why IMO Six Flags is once again missing the "family" market.<< It's hard to find rides for 'everyone' that you can still market to the point that people will come to your park. The point of adding a new ride is to increase your attendance, not have it stay flat. So a mellow ride may not do it. Though I don't think Dark Knight is going to be too crazy, but you got me thinking. Why is it that "Grandpa" probably wont ride Dark Knight but "Grandpa" is more likely to ride Space Mountain at Disney? (Assuming Grandpa event went to Six Flags... if you got him to pay for a ticket, chances are he knew what he was getting into...) What is it about the Disney coasters that make them more acceptable? Is it the theming hiding their true nature? The fact that they may be in the dark? Why would a grandparent be willing to ride Big Thunder, Space Mountain or even something with more of a kick like Twilight Zone: Tower of Terror... when they wouldn't consider riding on any coaster at Six Flags? Perhaps Six Flags could have skipped the whole Batman thing and may have been better off building their own versions of custom rides like Space Mountain and Big Thunder Mountain throughout the chain. From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Mar 13 19:35:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47505 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2008 02:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2008 02:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao101.cox.net) (68.230.240.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2008 02:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080314023459.KVEI880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:34:59 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.229.216.91]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0qaV1Z00U1ytzC402qaVr3; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:34:30 -0400 To: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:34:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AciFe/zea+QAoOM6QgiMzIKUIJtibQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080314023459.KVEI880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: OT:MISC: Yahoo Tournament Pick'em X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=vkQ3SVIjFs4bcLrvIMk4_0z6ArZbDiivhPD_1dB6rXitSJYyjx6r3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would there be any interest in creating a coaster talk group for the Yahoo Tournament Pick'em? If you let me know I can create a group and send an e-mail with what is needed to join the group. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 19:45:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63638 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2008 02:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2008 02:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2008 02:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2008 02:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2008 02:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2008 02:45:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:45:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080314023459.KVEI880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: OT:MISC: Yahoo Tournament Pick'em X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=TW4IUIOA5f6L8k4M5CK0qg-qKvwX49RrsnT3lYscGKPS39ZO6unx X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 To borrow a line from GREASE..Tell me more, tell me more. What's it all about? I dunno how to find stuff like this.... Mike -- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lopez"=20 wrote: > > Would there be any interest in creating a coaster talk group for=20 the Yahoo > Tournament Pick'em? If you let me know I can create a group and=20 send an > e-mail with what is needed to join the group. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Michael Lopez >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Mar 13 21:00:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11062 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2008 04:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2008 04:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2008 04:00:29 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so890755ana.3 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:00:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.171.10 with SMTP id t10mr21548689ane.100.1205467229281; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:00:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.13.10 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0803132100o5d86cb16o6b08b707012a86ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:00:29 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8BF154112AE440E99C0D87AC67895819@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <346975.42626.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8BF154112AE440E99C0D87AC67895819@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=_8h4gCfs9JL967WgsSljjW2SAFSRICJoB1St0R2_Ow5-3MA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Lance wrote: > > > What is it about the Disney coasters that make them more acceptable? > Is it the theming hiding their true nature? The fact that they may be in > the > dark? > Why would a grandparent be willing to ride Big Thunder, Space Mountain or > even something with more of a kick like Twilight Zone: Tower of Terror... > when they wouldn't consider riding on any coaster at Six Flags? > > Perhaps Six Flags could have skipped the whole Batman thing and may have > been better off building their own versions of custom rides like Space > Mountain and Big Thunder Mountain throughout the chain. > I think it has a lot less to do with the ride then you're thinking. Disney parks and Disney rides, especially space mountain and big thunder mountain, have become rights of passage for america's youth. Going to disney and being able to conquer the rides plays a huge role in the American middle class suburban family. I remember when my friends went when they were young and described the experience as such, but when I went for the first time I was an angst ridden 13 year old; about 2 years too old and 4 too young for my first Disney trip. The mindset that people have about Six Flags is more around cheap thrills and price gouging without the quality behind it. Going to six flags new england won't be a right of passage for most families, so grandpa wouldn't have the same obligation to ride the coaster with the new generation. Or maybe I'm getting too analytical. 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--YCalReminder=g1JZMsyQlrtBwejK1JX1205473810-1-- From coastermanokc@cox.net Fri Mar 14 07:30:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49353 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2008 14:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2008 14:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.240.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2008 14:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080314143045.YWFP7068.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:30:45 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.229.216.91]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 12WM1Z00G1ytzC40000000; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:30:22 -0400 To: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:30:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AciFfXPIxPIDpFkoSwOIEIdGL958vAAYd64g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080314143045.YWFP7068.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.59 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:MISC: Yahoo Tournament Pick'em X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=McvogG2El0UlZxFfiQrqwm9_YIMKseP3Q44i6coKQRPgfpymW6SHjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Gallegher wrote. >What's it all about? The Yahoo Tournament Pick'em is a free yahoo contest for the men's NCAA basketball tournament. Just go to Yahoo Sports and click the Pick'em link to find out more. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 08:24:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7730 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2008 15:24:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2008 15:24:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2008 15:24:11 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JaBlS-0003gL-T0 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:24:11 -0400 Message-ID: <47DA97DD.10700@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:21:01 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20080314023459.KVEI880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20080314023459.KVEI880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f33d9320559beb67994ec09bacab84ed8b526bb3715586e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:MISC: Yahoo Tournament Pick'em X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=-NDvrs_GIPWZqWaGuGX-yOY2u_E9dTrkNLpHUn1eJ6VZJJo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Lopez wrote: > > > Would there be any interest in creating a coaster talk group for the Yahoo > Tournament Pick'em? If you let me know I can create a group and send an > e-mail with what is needed to join the group. Feel free to get one started if you'd like, and post up the sign up information here. I tried to get us started on a fantasy football league a couple of years ago, but didn't have a whole lot of interest. Might try it again this upcoming year. Are others interested in these types of events? I'd like to know. Would be kind of neat to see some others get going if people would like them. But maybe to help limit the OT emails we should ask that some of the email responses to go the person setting up the league/ comishing the league instead of going to the list. But I also wouldn't mind seeing some updates on how it's going occaisionally. Input? Other opinions? keep on ridin' George From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Mar 14 14:25:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89353 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94514 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PEdeQncVM1lHn.vwBkj90C4etA9AGBjutRVj.4MVLqpBpuoeAxSBvnK3LbwPBEReeK7FYiIC52HnndJ9MyrvxeTluFND22b4at9_2i3HjvDfqvzOfapPKgxYSFCQSg-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:25:26 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:25:26 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1205512403.2471.49294.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <285709.92863.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=NWa2Mf2sEFuXfyX0wkjulNXS5tLMsqo254nplKKagKb4rYeuc0Xr X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It's hard to find rides for 'everyone' that you can still market to the point that people will come to your park. < The "family" rides don't need marketing. Let them market the big thrill rides that get all the press. But what I want is something else to do besides big thrill rides (and the resultant long lines in the hot sun). Antique cars don't need to be marketed; they're simply a ride for another segment of the guests that Six Flags currently seems to ignore. It gives the non-thrill crowd something to do in the park besides standing around watching everybody else. > Why is it that "Grandpa" probably wont ride Dark Knight but "Grandpa" is more likely to ride Space Mountain at Disney? < Is he, Lance? When my family went to Disney many years ago, both my sisters (who were in their 40s) hated Space Mountain. My brother (who was in his 50s), mother and father refused to ride it. But they all loved Small World. That's what I mean by a segment of the population that's ignored by Six Flags. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robbalvey@aol.com Fri Mar 14 20:20:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robbalvey@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28179 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 03:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 03:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 03:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 03:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 03:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 03:20:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:20:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.154.129.75 From: "Just some dude" Subject: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1955480; y=iCS8WSlJFMCeOiGcumbAnp_iNYWSsmjslMpRmWbzwnPpQdNN X-Yahoo-Profile: robbalvey Hey everyone, We have just posted a huge photo Trip Report from this=20 past weekend's West Coast Bash at Six Flags Magic Mountain here:=20 http://www.themeparkreview.com/wcb2008/wcb2008_1.htm First off, a big *THANK YOU* to Six Flags Magic Mountain=20 for such an awesome event!=20 And of course the biggest thanks goes out to the more than=20 300 members from Rideworld and Theme Park Review who attended the event! The photo update includes X2 cycling the new trains, a preview of the "Magic of the Mountain Sky Tower Museum",=20 Thomas Town construction photos, and a night ERT that included *ALL* operating coasters - a total of 13 rides open for ERT! I think that may be a park enthusiast event first! We hope you enjoy the update. And remember to mark your calendar's for Monday, August 4th for Behemoth Bash at Canada's Wonderland.=20 Details will be posted soon on our events page:=20 http://www.themeparkreview.com/events/=20 --Robb Alvey http://www.themeparkreview.com=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Mar 14 22:50:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44636 invoked by uid 7800); 15 Mar 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Date: 15 Mar 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Message-ID: <1205560215.13.44631.m54@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=gbsh5v5MIULorkUO4ztV7Jt8PB1205560210-1" --YCalReminder=gbsh5v5MIULorkUO4ztV7Jt8PB1205560210-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=gbsh5v5MIULorkUO4ztV7Jt8PB1205560210-1-- From lance@screamscape.com Sat Mar 15 05:19:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47912 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 12:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 12:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta16.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 12:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9834097A for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:19:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.47db0926.45dba for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:19:05 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH2765bQ09ZwIAAAAB,7b6e6d73fbfd5babdbf49edf22fb6b42 Message-ID: <01C1D53915B24ED685A42074D164A9EE@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <285709.92863.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <285709.92863.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:19:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=mMwtnYrJXIlk70-feIH1q8JJxp9xkb6OhFIUFaqjZV2_pzOPQIfvNsf9Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>The "family" rides don't need marketing. Let them market the big thrill >>rides that get all the press. But what I want is something else to do >>besides big thrill rides (and the resultant long lines in the hot sun). >>Antique cars don't need to be marketed; they're simply a ride for another >>segment of the guests that Six Flags currently seems to ignore. << Ever new attraction needs to be marketed these days... and justified by it's resulting Return on Investment level. These days if a park, any park and not just Six Flags, feels they can't market something, they wont add it. It's the nature of the beast. As for your typical car ride... when was the last time you heard of any park actually adding one of these? I know a few have gone in here or there at smaller parks, but not often and never at any of the big chains. The big chains are doing the reverse and actually getting rid of those car rides and not replacing them. BGW just got rid of their popular LeMans to make room for Griffin, Kings Island got rid of their antique cars to make way for Italian Job a couple of years before that. This is unfortunate though, since this is a ride everyone can enjoy together, but it's a industry wide trend and not just Six Flags. > Why is it that "Grandpa" probably wont ride Dark Knight but "Grandpa" is > more likely to ride Space Mountain at Disney? < >Is he, Lance? When my family went to Disney many years ago, both my sisters >(who were in their 40s) hated Space Mountain. My brother (who was in his >50s), mother and father refused to ride it. But they all loved Small World. >That's what I mean by a segment of the population that's ignored by Six >Flags.< Your family is different than mine I guess. Between 2000 and 2006 I lived in Orlando with my wife and had two kids... so all of our various relatives came out between in that time period and I don't think any one of them refused to ride Big Thunder or Space Mountain. Splash Mountain... yeah, some passed on it mainly because they didn't want to get wet and I didn't expect them to go on Rock 'n Roller or Twilight Zone, but in general they did go on the mild coasters. Every family is different of course... From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 15 17:57:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98595 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 00:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2008 00:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2008 00:57:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48338 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2008 00:57:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mLu3b1gVM1n.JJbSqFtaeFVFVDwldpU28CxqDa27PjueWqiN9KHNH46rQdqplZIkAVQ3X.fk3ohAbbqsej9q_RIB1jWdrz8Dkgsbt_u6E5MhOey49xioLopaYmvvFW4tYhMWPZy7PDRg.XF8p.OxUa0SpA-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:57:34 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:57:34 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1205601892.2441.89151.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <542750.45522.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=U0imsuyiK7peEEKYrJ2eSGtebE85HHWO7PgmWW9BhVa9pUAOdo_y X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >when was the last time you heard of any park actually adding one of these? Actually, last year at Lake Compounce. That's why Karen and I got a season pass for that park instead of Six Flags. We love Boulder Dash but can only ride it so many times in a row. So there's also the incredible Thunder Canyon, the train, Paddlewheeler, Sky Ride, Cadillac Cars, Ghost Hunt, Poland Springs Plunge and lots of shade and benches. For our money, we do a lot more and have a lot more fun at a smaller park. Perhaps we're in the minority, but I have a hunch that soon we'll be in the majority. > This is unfortunate though, since this is a ride everyone can enjoy together, but it's a industry wide trend and not just Six Flags. < Then if the industry refuses to recognize that the trend is misguided (and I'm not sure the "industry" as a whole thinks that way; just some chains), its business will gradually weaken. > Your family is different than mine I guess.< Yup. Even when our own kids were younger, we left most of the thrill rides to them. Karen and I would stick with tamer amusements (except for coasters). As we age, there are fewer and fewer "thrill" rides that appeal to us. As many of you know, ambiance appeals to us more. We can walk around Busch Gardens or Knoebels all day and have a good time without going ride-crazy. But if that ambiance isn't there, we'd just as soon not go to the park at all. For us, it's not just the rides but the whole package. Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Mar 15 20:14:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43981 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 03:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2008 03:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.168) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2008 03:14:31 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so5695502wfc.3 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr5572541wfg.189.1205637271118; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.81.5 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803152014w6b0f0051naa0762b6d622323c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:14:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <542750.45522.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1205601892.2441.89151.m45@yahoogroups.com> <542750.45522.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SIx Flags coaster under review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=RM_imECnZfrYPdtahKwm8ZX2-94CjrC6_VXrWnMrpMYmjGpC7g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It may be the case for you, but I'm 100% certain that, in today's world where people can't even drive to the supermarket across town without putting the DVD player on in the minivan for the kids - The "attention span" wouldn't last through a ferris wheel, carousel or an "antique" car ride. It's a different generation, and that's who pays the bills. -Josh On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > >when was the last time you heard of any park actually adding one of > these? > > Actually, last year at Lake Compounce. That's why Karen and I got a season > pass for that park instead of Six Flags. We love Boulder Dash but can only > ride it so many times in a row. So there's also the incredible Thunder > Canyon, the train, Paddlewheeler, Sky Ride, Cadillac Cars, Ghost Hunt, > Poland Springs Plunge and lots of shade and benches. For our money, we do a > lot more and have a lot more fun at a smaller park. Perhaps we're in the > minority, but I have a hunch that soon we'll be in the majority. > > This is unfortunate though, since this is a ride everyone can enjoy > together, but it's a industry wide trend and not just Six Flags. < > > Then if the industry refuses to recognize that the trend is misguided (and > I'm not sure the "industry" as a whole thinks that way; just some chains), > its business will gradually weaken. > > > Your family is different than mine I guess.< > > Yup. Even when our own kids were younger, we left most of the thrill rides > to them. Karen and I would stick with tamer amusements (except for > coasters). As we age, there are fewer and fewer "thrill" rides that appeal > to us. As many of you know, ambiance appeals to us more. We can walk around > Busch Gardens or Knoebels all day and have a good time without going > ride-crazy. But if that ambiance isn't there, we'd just as soon not go to > the park at all. For us, it's not just the rides but the whole package. > > Jay > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Mar 15 22:50:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6362 invoked by uid 7800); 16 Mar 2008 05:50:12 -0000 Date: 16 Mar 2008 05:50:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1205646612.16.6351.m36@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=LtMdDCENd3ArWoz2jHEUlV2frl4ooJP1205646610-1" --YCalReminder=LtMdDCENd3ArWoz2jHEUlV2frl4ooJP1205646610-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Walt Disney Studios Park (Paris) opened Sunday March 16, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=LtMdDCENd3ArWoz2jHEUlV2frl4ooJP1205646610-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 10:28:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67637 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 17:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2008 17:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2008 17:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 17:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 17:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 17:28:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:28:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: TR: Camp Snoo... Um, The Park at... Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=LHhLJ7k1B3HiUFW3eCXccUXxKPhwD6caBiVMyLNObBvC9ZmUgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Who: Duane, Zach, Ben and me What: Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening When: 15 March 2008=20 Where: Bloomington, MN Why: I'd never been to the opening of a ride, and to get my 700th=20 coaster.=20 So, yesterday I woke up at the ungodly hour of 2 AM, picked up Zach=20 on the way to the highway and drove up to Milwaukee to meet up with=20 Duane and Ben. We left Duane's house about 4AM for the long drive up=20 to Minnesota after a brief tour of the RCDB 'facilities'.=20=20 We arrived at the East Rotunda just in time to snap a couple pictures=20 of the festivities from above and just as we arrived at the ground=20 floor, the ribbon was cut. (Bright orange, of course.)=20 We walked in and looked around a bit. We found one of the new self- help ticket kiosks, printed out our wristbands and headed over to... Avatar Airbender which was already loading passengers. We got on=20 about the 4th surfboard of the day after a brief wait. The PLC for=20 this ride actually says Surf Rider on it, so it seems that this is an=20 exact copy of the one in Australia. It only seats 12 people at a=20 time, but gave a fun ride with decent spinning and some nice airtime,=20 even if it does feel a little like riding a Frisbee.=20 Zach 'needed' the Lil' Sha...er Back At The Barnyard Hayride credit,=20 so we pointed and laughed as he went around and around and around.=20 This was probably the lamest attempt at a retheme, with the only=20 significant change being a farm tractor front having been bolted to=20 the front of the original Zamperla train.=20 Next we headed to SpongeBob Squarepants Rock Bottom Plunge which was=20 just giving some Nickelodeon celebs the ceremonial first ride. We=20 hopped in line, and surprisingly, not all of the switchbacks were=20 full. After about 20 minutes, we boarded the front row of the 8- passenger vehicle, and set out. The first drop, although definitely=20 more than vertical, doesn't feel as pronounced as the ones on Speed,=20 Typhoon or even Mystery Mine. The loop is taken at a speed to give a=20 little hang time. The obligatory on-ride photo camera catches you in=20 the pull out from the loop and then you feel some low-g's as you hop=20 over one of the park's emergency exits. The overbanked turn is very=20 nearly in inversion, but not quite. It's taken quickly, and then you=20 rise up into the corkscrew. This has some more pleasant, twisting=20 hangtime and you roll out of that and curve into the midcourse. This=20 was nearly wide open, the magnetic brake only applying a small speed=20 check to our car before curving and diving off the run. In 4-car=20 operation, this would be a block, but if they were only running 3=20 cars for the grand opening I doubt they'll ever run 4. Next is a high=20 banked curve that sends you into the final element, which is a rising=20 helix of about 405 degrees. The final brakes are magnetic as well and=20 quite gentle. In all, Spongebob is fun, but I'm not sure if it hits=20 the target market of the kids who watch NickToons these days.=20 Next, we walked around the ground level a bit, takiing pictures of=20 all the rethemes around the park. Some are quite decent, if a little=20 superficial, such as Jimmy Neutron's Atomic Collider (Treetop=20 Tumbler), Danny Phantom's Ghost Zone (Screaming Yellow Eagle) and Tak=20 Attack (Mighty Axe) which essentially recieved new paint schemes and=20 new lighting. Others got new ride vehicles, such as the bumper cars=20 and Orange Streak.=20 I have to say that there is one retheme that I absolutely hated. What=20 was once my favorite themed ride, the Kite Eating Tree, is now a=20 hideous rainbow-painted affair called Back Yardigans Swing Around.=20=20 Next, we took a second ride on Avatar, and with the queue mostly=20 full, it was still only about a 20 minute wait.=20 After this, we broke for an early lunch. Zach and Ben 'left' the park=20 for Taco Bell, while Duane and I tried out the new in-park food=20 establishment Eats. There is a wide selection of new foods and all of=20 it looked quite good. Each of the old food windows has 4 or 5 adult=20 items and one kid selection. The menu doesn't really strike me as=20 completely kid-friendly, but mini-burgers and dogs were available.=20 (Example: there is no cheese or pepperoni pizza at the pizza window.=20 The kid selection there was cheese filled dough logs.) The food is a=20 little expensive, but not outrageously so.=20 After eating Duane and I walked around the upper levels of the mall=20 to get pictures from above the crowds, including a ride on the Ferris=20 wheel, now themed on Dora the Explorer as "el Circulo del Cielo".=20 Soon, Ben and Zach rejoined us and we headed back down into the fray.=20 At this point, the Live preformances had started, keeping a lot of=20 the people pressure down in the ride queues.=20 We grabbed a lap on Orange Streak with only a 10 minute wait and the=20 Splat-O-Sphere which was about a 5 cycle wait. Ben was too tall for=20 Splat, Zach said it was mediocre at best, but I liked the lengthy=20 program they were running, even if it wasn't full-on negative G's...=20 Well, more like -0.5g.=20 The Ashlee Simpson autograph session and Naked Brothers (Who are=20 these 'celebrities'?) concerts were over at this point and the crowd=20 pressure was increasing, so we made our way over to the Fairly Odd=20 Coaster. At about an hour, that was by far the longest wait of the=20 day. As we walked away, Ben realized that it had been his 100th=20 coaster.=20 We made our way over to SpongeBob again for a final ride before=20 leaving. With the queue now nearly full, the wait was about 45=20 minutes, with two brief down times. This was also the site of the=20 only ugly moment of the day when a family of 5 plus one all line=20 jumped to where one of their daughters was 'holding their place in=20 line'. I asked one of the adults why they thought it was OK to teach=20 their kids this kind of behavior, and she snapped and was cursing me=20 out in front of her kids. when she moved away, I got the attention of=20 a manager in the station, and he called the mall police. They kicked=20 the adults out of the line, and let the remaining kids ride. Nicely=20 done, I say.=20 So, it was only a little bit more crowded than a normal Saturday at=20 the MoA, until about an hour before we left (5:30pm) as all the=20 concerts, autograph sessions and meet and greets ended about then.=20 In all, it really was only a little more crowded than a typical=20 Saturday at the Mall of America, and pretty much everything went=20 smoothly for them on their special day. There are a few places that=20 need a little polish and touch-ups, and they didn't even start the re- theme of the log flume or a couple of the flats, but those should be=20 taken care of shortly.=20 Chris B From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Mar 16 18:40:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23184 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 01:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 01:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 01:40:02 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so2903039ele.22 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.140.6 with SMTP id n6mr7424274ybd.42.1205718001948; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:40:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.143.7 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0803161840udd5db50v884d070ad3b17a83@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:40:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Camp Snoo... Um, The Park at... Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=A9egVlTPSsL2v3WdDa9F7vaFacNVWxMI7G_sxEH-t7PAlrg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Glad you had a good time. The only note I had was that the mall has 4 vehicles for Sponge Bob, it is only built to run 3. It was really packed yesterday. Although I am not a local, I have never seen the mall or the park that full. Overall I was very impressed with the theme job. Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Mar 16 18:46:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90294 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 01:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 01:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 01:46:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8590 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 01:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.103]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 17 Mar 2008 01:45:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F769281-E89B-498C-A55C-7F5ABFA2D2B8@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Camp Snoo... Um, The Park at... Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=3vnX9IoROmefzglD-DGzZ2jOsgJzttokeoSWbbxxmkASJWSJ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Great report, Chris. Do you have the pictures online anywhere? Cameron. On Mar 16, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Chris wrote: > Who: Duane, Zach, Ben and me > What: Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening > When: 15 March 2008 > Where: Bloomington, MN > Why: I'd never been to the opening of a ride, and to get my 700th > coaster. > > So, yesterday I woke up at the ungodly hour of 2 AM, picked up Zach > on the way to the highway and drove up to Milwaukee to meet up with > Duane and Ben. We left Duane's house about 4AM for the long drive up > to Minnesota after a brief tour of the RCDB 'facilities'. > > We arrived at the East Rotunda just in time to snap a couple pictures > of the festivities from above and just as we arrived at the ground > floor, the ribbon was cut. (Bright orange, of course.) > > We walked in and looked around a bit. We found one of the new self- > help ticket kiosks, printed out our wristbands and headed over to... > > Avatar Airbender which was already loading passengers. We got on > about the 4th surfboard of the day after a brief wait. The PLC for > this ride actually says Surf Rider on it, so it seems that this is an > exact copy of the one in Australia. It only seats 12 people at a > time, but gave a fun ride with decent spinning and some nice airtime, > even if it does feel a little like riding a Frisbee. > > Zach 'needed' the Lil' Sha...er Back At The Barnyard Hayride credit, > so we pointed and laughed as he went around and around and around. > This was probably the lamest attempt at a retheme, with the only > significant change being a farm tractor front having been bolted to > the front of the original Zamperla train. > > Next we headed to SpongeBob Squarepants Rock Bottom Plunge which was > just giving some Nickelodeon celebs the ceremonial first ride. We > hopped in line, and surprisingly, not all of the switchbacks were > full. After about 20 minutes, we boarded the front row of the 8- > passenger vehicle, and set out. The first drop, although definitely > more than vertical, doesn't feel as pronounced as the ones on Speed, > Typhoon or even Mystery Mine. The loop is taken at a speed to give a > little hang time. The obligatory on-ride photo camera catches you in > the pull out from the loop and then you feel some low-g's as you hop > over one of the park's emergency exits. The overbanked turn is very > nearly in inversion, but not quite. It's taken quickly, and then you > rise up into the corkscrew. This has some more pleasant, twisting > hangtime and you roll out of that and curve into the midcourse. This > was nearly wide open, the magnetic brake only applying a small speed > check to our car before curving and diving off the run. In 4-car > operation, this would be a block, but if they were only running 3 > cars for the grand opening I doubt they'll ever run 4. Next is a high > banked curve that sends you into the final element, which is a rising > helix of about 405 degrees. The final brakes are magnetic as well and > quite gentle. In all, Spongebob is fun, but I'm not sure if it hits > the target market of the kids who watch NickToons these days. > > Next, we walked around the ground level a bit, takiing pictures of > all the rethemes around the park. Some are quite decent, if a little > superficial, such as Jimmy Neutron's Atomic Collider (Treetop > Tumbler), Danny Phantom's Ghost Zone (Screaming Yellow Eagle) and Tak > Attack (Mighty Axe) which essentially recieved new paint schemes and > new lighting. Others got new ride vehicles, such as the bumper cars > and Orange Streak. > > I have to say that there is one retheme that I absolutely hated. What > was once my favorite themed ride, the Kite Eating Tree, is now a > hideous rainbow-painted affair called Back Yardigans Swing Around. > > Next, we took a second ride on Avatar, and with the queue mostly > full, it was still only about a 20 minute wait. > > After this, we broke for an early lunch. Zach and Ben 'left' the park > for Taco Bell, while Duane and I tried out the new in-park food > establishment Eats. There is a wide selection of new foods and all of > it looked quite good. Each of the old food windows has 4 or 5 adult > items and one kid selection. The menu doesn't really strike me as > completely kid-friendly, but mini-burgers and dogs were available. > (Example: there is no cheese or pepperoni pizza at the pizza window. > The kid selection there was cheese filled dough logs.) The food is a > little expensive, but not outrageously so. > > After eating Duane and I walked around the upper levels of the mall > to get pictures from above the crowds, including a ride on the Ferris > wheel, now themed on Dora the Explorer as "el Circulo del Cielo". > Soon, Ben and Zach rejoined us and we headed back down into the fray. > At this point, the Live preformances had started, keeping a lot of > the people pressure down in the ride queues. > > We grabbed a lap on Orange Streak with only a 10 minute wait and the > Splat-O-Sphere which was about a 5 cycle wait. Ben was too tall for > Splat, Zach said it was mediocre at best, but I liked the lengthy > program they were running, even if it wasn't full-on negative G's... > Well, more like -0.5g. > > The Ashlee Simpson autograph session and Naked Brothers (Who are > these 'celebrities'?) concerts were over at this point and the crowd > pressure was increasing, so we made our way over to the Fairly Odd > Coaster. At about an hour, that was by far the longest wait of the > day. As we walked away, Ben realized that it had been his 100th > coaster. > > We made our way over to SpongeBob again for a final ride before > leaving. With the queue now nearly full, the wait was about 45 > minutes, with two brief down times. This was also the site of the > only ugly moment of the day when a family of 5 plus one all line > jumped to where one of their daughters was 'holding their place in > line'. I asked one of the adults why they thought it was OK to teach > their kids this kind of behavior, and she snapped and was cursing me > out in front of her kids. when she moved away, I got the attention of > a manager in the station, and he called the mall police. They kicked > the adults out of the line, and let the remaining kids ride. Nicely > done, I say. > > So, it was only a little bit more crowded than a normal Saturday at > the MoA, until about an hour before we left (5:30pm) as all the > concerts, autograph sessions and meet and greets ended about then. > > In all, it really was only a little more crowded than a typical > Saturday at the Mall of America, and pretty much everything went > smoothly for them on their special day. There are a few places that > need a little polish and touch-ups, and they didn't even start the re- > theme of the log flume or a couple of the flats, but those should be > taken care of shortly. > > Chris B > > > ====================================================================== > == > Groups related to RollerCoasterTalk > ====================================================================== > == > > TheMouseForLess (12 common members) > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheMouseForLess? > v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg > Amusement and Theme Parks/Disney Parks: TheMouseForLess makes > vacation planning easy and a... > > historyofkingsisland (10 common members) > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/historyofkingsisland? > v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg > Amusement and Theme Parks/Kings Island: This is a Group that looks > back at old rides and f... > > universalorlando (9 common members) > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalorlando? > v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg > Amusement and Theme Parks/Universal Studios: Welcome to the > Universal Orlando Yahoo Group, dedi... > > DizNews (8 common members) > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DizNews? > v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg > Amusement and Theme Parks/Disney Parks: This newsletter features > the "Daily Dose of Disney... > > Disneyland_Park_and_Attractions (8 common members) > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Disneyland_Park_and_Attractions? > v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg > Disney Parks/Disneyland: "To all who come to this happy place; > Welcome. 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Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Ticket Tac Toe * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Get three in a row! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 19:03:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81141 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 02:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 02:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 02:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 02:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 02:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 02:03:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:03:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-3qMG_oiRJ0zLGsqbvpQ9D2ZKpo2M1UPgtZv-8BchOrF_7IAQA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Just some dude"=20 wrote: > > Hey everyone, >=20 > We have just posted a huge photo Trip Report from this=20 > past weekend's West Coast Bash at Six Flags Magic Mountain here:=20 Just one question for George:=20 Don't we usually delete posts that are from spammers? Robb finally=20 admitted that TPR is a profitable business, and that he is making his=20 livelyhood from it. He doesn't actually contribute anything directly=20 worthwhile to this group, so why accept what's essentially a commercial=20 for his site? Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 19:10:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78200 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 02:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 02:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 02:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 02:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 02:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 02:10:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:10:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0803161840udd5db50v884d070ad3b17a83@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Camp Snoo... Um, The Park at... Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=I-2GMYxX1cyqzBAPVkxIH2ch-v2UOx1Z3DsEZeySvD68i-HJYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy"=20 wrote: > > Glad you had a good time. The only note I had was that the mall has 4 > vehicles for Sponge Bob, it is only built to run 3. It was really > packed yesterday. Although I am not a local, I have never seen the > mall or the park that full. Overall I was very impressed with the > theme job. >=20 > Adam Thanks, Adam, I thought that there were enough blocks to run all 4, but=20 I will bow to your expertise on the matter! (Lift, Drop to MCBR, MCBR=20 to brakes, two blocks after the brakes and the station block... Is the=20 lift not a separate block?) I wish I knew you were going to be there! Duane and I were looking for=20 Franz all day, and kept just missing him. Were you with the Gertslauer=20 group? It would have been nice to FINALLY meet someone from this group=20 after all these years! (OK, I've met Cameron...) Cameron, I took well over 100 pictures, and I need to resize them down=20 from full 7meg resolution before I can do anything with them. I think=20 you know where they won't be showing up once they are ready!=20 ;) Chris From lance@screamscape.com Sun Mar 16 19:27:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67571 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 02:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 02:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta16.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 02:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2C63FC5E for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:27:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47db0ad0.113982 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:27:07 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH3db7sbr1kgIAAAAB,776d0a0b6ef55d4769ef4c9794ca7b19 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:27:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=H1Oi9yyec5Q1SpoADi0bp4ZpxNAqQ62ySXVu-w1DnbI7jhv4zzaVIfpVww X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Just some dude" wrote: > > Hey everyone, > We have just posted a huge photo Trip Report from this > past weekend's West Coast Bash at Six Flags Magic Mountain here: Just one question for George: Don't we usually delete posts that are from spammers? Robb finally admitted that TPR is a profitable business, and that he is making his livelyhood from it. He doesn't actually contribute anything directly worthwhile to this group, so why accept what's essentially a commercial for his site? ------- I wouldn't call that spam... it's completely on topic and relavent to the group here. It's really no different than when I notified the group last month that I had posted about a hundred pictures from my preview tour of Hard Rock Park on Screamscape. The only difference being that I've been a member of this group for some time now and Robb isn't. Lance From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 22:37:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7364 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 05:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 05:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 05:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 05:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 05:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 05:37:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:37:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Mfq7TKFoi2vt9piElgHXJoYEpe3rg4P11kDyTYRncRUuPBsMbw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Chris > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Just some dude" > wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > We have just posted a huge photo Trip Report from this > > past weekend's West Coast Bash at Six Flags Magic Mountain here: >=20 > Just one question for George: > Don't we usually delete posts that are from spammers? Robb finally > admitted that TPR is a profitable business, and that he is making=20 his > livelyhood from it. He doesn't actually contribute anything directly > worthwhile to this group, so why accept what's essentially a=20 commercial > for his site? > ------- >=20 > I wouldn't call that spam... it's completely on topic and relavent=20 to the=20 > group here. > It's really no different than when I notified the group last month=20 that I=20 > had posted > about a hundred pictures from my preview tour of Hard Rock Park on=20 > Screamscape. >=20 > The only difference being that I've been a member of this group for=20 some=20 > time now > and Robb isn't. >=20 > Lance Exactly my point Lance. At TPR, if you come in hawking your site,=20 your posts get deleted until you've contributed substantively for a=20 while. You on the other hand, have actually contribute to the=20 conversation here a lot more than twice monthly announcements of=20 what's new at Screamscape.=20 I recieve his spam in my inbox directly from his site, no matter how=20 I try to tell him I don't want it. I honestly don't need it in the=20 groups I visit, too.=20 Chris From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Mar 17 03:31:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80306 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 10:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 10:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 10:31:17 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so5622570wfc.22 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.213.9 with SMTP id l9mr5750602wfg.71.1205749877357; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.81.5 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803170331k13510b6am1a66dabed3386846@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:31:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=OHNkCB2gjSeADfu9XAh6KkIbtHva5c8XVJUqLA6rHSloTE-_gg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know, I really don't want to sound like a prick here, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to no matter how I say it. In all honesty, the only thing I hate more than so-called "spam" in my inbox, is people who bitch about said emails. If you think something doesn't belong on the list, shoot a private email over to George about it or something. -Josh On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Lance" wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris > > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Just some dude" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey everyone, > > > We have just posted a huge photo Trip Report from this > > > past weekend's West Coast Bash at Six Flags Magic Mountain here: > > > > Just one question for George: > > Don't we usually delete posts that are from spammers? Robb finally > > admitted that TPR is a profitable business, and that he is making > his > > livelyhood from it. He doesn't actually contribute anything directly > > worthwhile to this group, so why accept what's essentially a > commercial > > for his site? > > ------- > > > > I wouldn't call that spam... it's completely on topic and relavent > to the > > group here. > > It's really no different than when I notified the group last month > that I > > had posted > > about a hundred pictures from my preview tour of Hard Rock Park on > > Screamscape. > > > > The only difference being that I've been a member of this group for > some > > time now > > and Robb isn't. > > > > Lance > > Exactly my point Lance. At TPR, if you come in hawking your site, > your posts get deleted until you've contributed substantively for a > while. You on the other hand, have actually contribute to the > conversation here a lot more than twice monthly announcements of > what's new at Screamscape. > > I recieve his spam in my inbox directly from his site, no matter how > I try to tell him I don't want it. I honestly don't need it in the > groups I visit, too. > > Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 17 04:40:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70776 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 11:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 11:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 11:40:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 148 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 11:40:06 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.116]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 17 Mar 2008 11:40:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:40:04 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=sd1Bcldyc6ftRUA08ySPIVZ-gv-Y5dUcJfzQIMn5ODXKibIV X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> We have just posted a huge photo Trip Report from this >> past weekend's West Coast Bash at Six Flags Magic Mountain here: > > Just one question for George: > Don't we usually delete posts that are from spammers? Robb finally > admitted that TPR is a profitable business, and that he is making his > livelyhood from it. He doesn't actually contribute anything directly > worthwhile to this group, so why accept what's essentially a > commercial > for his site? Robb was promoting and industry event, not his site. Besides, his actions are far more appropriate than you airing your dirty laundry on here. If you have a problem with Robb then please take it up with him off-line, no-one wants to hear about your petty jealousy. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 06:04:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96814 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 13:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 13:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 13:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JbF0t-0002IK-KZ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <47DE6B9F.40604@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:01:19 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f33d9320559beb67d91a464a84a1bbc80d356ffc9a219f98350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=-nkQi7jS-pRUKEwzzXKqOgXiZE_Y5hR3M5PZ0ssgdKoJ5ik X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ok, time to chime in. :P > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: West Coast Bash - Photo Trip Report > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , "Just some dude" > wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > We have just posted a huge photo Trip Report from this > > past weekend's West Coast Bash at Six Flags Magic Mountain here: > > Just one question for George: > Don't we usually delete posts that are from spammers? Robb finally > admitted that TPR is a profitable business, and that he is making his > livelyhood from it. He doesn't actually contribute anything directly > worthwhile to this group, so why accept what's essentially a commercial > for his site? > ------- > > I wouldn't call that spam... it's completely on topic and relavent to the > group here. > It's really no different than when I notified the group last month that I > had posted > about a hundred pictures from my preview tour of Hard Rock Park on > Screamscape. > > The only difference being that I've been a member of this group for some > time now > and Robb isn't. > As Lance said, the reports are on topic and completely relevant to the group. There are people out there that do appreciate getting updates like this, especially when they are about a park event or have pictures that show what is happening at a park. We have had other people on the list in the past post up similar reports and link in them to someplace else where the pictures and other parts are posted on a website. That's really no different. I realize that Robb is a controversial figure. For those that don't know my own personal history with Robb let me keep it short enough to say that I'm NOT a friend of his and have a number of disagreements with him and I'll keep it at that. That said, I also realize that there are a lot of people who feel differently than I do about him and his site, and there is no denying that his group has access to parks and does trips that most of us can only dream about, and as such many will want to see those. Would it be right, or mature, or me to deny others what they might like to see because of my personal issues with him? Would it be ok to say that there will be no discussion of anything posted on CoasterBuzz because I can't stand Jeff Putz? What about, sorry, no discussion of ACE because some feel that many of their board are leeches taking from the regular members? Or Screamscape because of what it is? etc, etc, and so forth. While we may not discuss other sites often, if it's something noteworthy there's no real reason it can't be mentioned here. This is a hobby. Something that most of us do for fun, and that some love to be able to read, see, and do anything they can as part of it. The vast majority already know about Robb and ThemeParkReview, and us trying to ignore it doesn't make it go away. And frankly letting Robb here doesn't help it, nor would blocking him hurt it any. That's just reality. I knew that when I allowed him on the list a long time ago that the list would get posts like this from him, talking about updates and hawking dvds sometimes. But I also know, personal feelings aside, that some appreciate getting those kinds of emails- especially if they can come from a list where he won't have their personal email address that way. If you don't want to receive Robb's emails, then he's easy enough to filter out. I'm not sure that Yahoo has a block person option (haven't been able to find it) but you can always set one up in whatever email program that you use to block them. I've done that with a few people both with Thunderbird (my main email program) and Yahoo Mail. I'm sure that those stuck with Outlook (I'm sorry) can also do so. Long essay in short form- I'm sorry if Robb bugs you, I know from a personal basis. But as there are a number of people who enjoy knowing when some websites update I'll let them remain. But if you have concerns about it, please address them to me. Privately would be good also so they don't turn into arguments and flamefests like so many discussions about the Alvey's seem to. Discussions on the photos and updates are fine, but please don't make it personal. Hope that helps cover everything. If it doesn't, feel free to shoot me a note. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 06:09:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34584 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 13:09:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 13:09:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 13:09:01 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JbF5I-00047z-Mk for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: <47DE6CB0.5050001@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:05:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f33d9320559beb67c2412cc308a9028a46c76412771d48ac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Camp Snoo... Um, The Park at... Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FrQR6_vlAxOcQc083oWBJDe-Uf5lLCH8N4e1Pfswiq0cCM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > Cameron, I took well over 100 pictures, and I need to resize them down > from full 7meg resolution before I can do anything with them. I think > you know where they won't be showing up once they are ready! This is why you need to get hooked up with a good photo site! Those of us on Smugmug (shameless plug) don't have to resize any of our pictures, and don't have to worry about any sort of size/ storage limits. Plus you get the ability to put them up on forums with a simple link autosized to fit that forum. I know that other photo sharing sites have the same abilities. If you're having to resize your photos to put them up, then you're just putting them up in the wrong place. :) keep on ridin' George From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Mar 17 06:43:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45591 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 13:42:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 13:42:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 13:42:53 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a1so1593779tib.12 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:42:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.78.15 with SMTP id f15mr125021ybl.187.1205761371573; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:42:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.143.7 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0803170642u4fe3c839h44722a34d5c4c4f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:42:51 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <165816ef0803161840udd5db50v884d070ad3b17a83@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Camp Snoo... Um, The Park at... Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=1BsEndhoBNguE8-JyrhAcCBP4U5GRo_ZwFHZpTytckh8YFg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Thanks, Adam, I thought that there were enough blocks to run all 4, but > I will bow to your expertise on the matter! (Lift, Drop to MCBR, MCBR > to brakes, two blocks after the brakes and the station block... Is the > lift not a separate block?) It isn't so much blocking as much as parking positions. It was designed to park vehicles in the hold position before the lift, the load/unload position in the station and I believe the transfer table, which is also a hold position. Adam > I wish I knew you were going to be there! Duane and I were looking for > Franz all day, and kept just missing him. Were you with the Gertslauer > group? It would have been nice to FINALLY meet someone from this group > after all these years! (OK, I've met Cameron...) Yup, there for work, but now glad to be home. Adam From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Mar 17 10:08:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48992 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 17:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 17:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 17:08:49 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1400952ugc.47 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.114.15 with SMTP id m15mr391623wfc.235.1205773694966; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:08:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.81.5 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803171008t44386684pfe45b28e993779fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:08:14 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47DE6CB0.5050001@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47DE6CB0.5050001@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Camp Snoo... Um, The Park at... Nickelodeon Universe Grand Re-Re-Opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=86bRaFhnVVBliwYEbI5t72J-mZrDq7mOzpquiTYkCBNGshEuoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless you're like me, and do all of your shooting in RAW format. :) Pictures are well over 10MB at that point, and most definitely need to be converted to jpeg before they'll even be recognized to upload. I'm going to have to check out smugsmug so I can upload all of my Disney pictures, either while I'm there of when I get back home. -Josh On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:05 AM, george burnash wrote: > Chris wrote: > > > > > Cameron, I took well over 100 pictures, and I need to resize them down > > from full 7meg resolution before I can do anything with them. I think > > you know where they won't be showing up once they are ready! > > This is why you need to get hooked up with a good photo site! Those of > us on Smugmug (shameless plug) don't have to resize any of our pictures, > and don't have to worry about any sort of size/ storage limits. Plus > you get the ability to put them up on forums with a simple link > autosized to fit that forum. I know that other photo sharing sites have > the same abilities. > > If you're having to resize your photos to put them up, then you're just > putting them up in the wrong place. :) > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 10:37:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48978 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 17:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 17:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 17:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-139-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.139.70] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JbJHO-0001zJ-Vd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: <47DEABAD.3040802@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:34:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <47DE6CB0.5050001@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0803171008t44386684pfe45b28e993779fd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0803171008t44386684pfe45b28e993779fd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f33d9320559beb674ca36e3f05d1974902b550b3bec4bef8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=9QYm3b1z7h_NVFM4vwGUBW_fi4ogN11XaXysRaASfb3eYo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > Unless you're like me, and do all of your shooting in RAW format. :) I did that for a while when I upgraded to my Nikon dslr, but what I found was that I really didn't like have to rework and resave every single picture I took so that it could be seen, saved, printed, etc. As many pictures as I take it wasn't worth the hassle on the off chance that one single picture might be slightly off on white balance. I get the exposure right almost all the time, so shooting at highest jpg is fine for me (which are still between 7-11MB files on my camera anyways) > > Pictures are well over 10MB at that point, and most definitely need to be > converted to jpeg before they'll even be recognized to upload. Smugmug will do up to 12MB files for the pictures with no problems except your upload speed. One of the things that I like- as cameras grow more powerful, so does Smugmug. > > I'm going to have to check out smugsmug so I can upload all of my Disney > pictures, either while I'm there of when I get back home. > I think you'll really like it. If you decide to sign up, don't forget to get a referal from me, Beth, or one of the others on here that are already on as it'll save you $5/ year. And the $35/ year or so it costs is well worth the storage space, flexibility, ease of use, etc. It's still the best one I've seen out there- much better imo than Flicker, which seems to be the most popular one. keep on ridin' George From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 14:45:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88766 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n72.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.34) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n72.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.123] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 489448.40178.bm@omp209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 65855 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7J3Y8BEVM1lmJy0XREJ4lqgnyIvoRUDn2ZHMA12EbPbY08cBhioVYmPeAO2.0nPGJ1E8IJJiw3iUMjeB2bXo6eridKalqXXXKiGcJc6lETk4JrRSwI4- X-Received: from [70.127.133.62] by web45104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:45:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.38 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:45:18 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <296445.63123.qm@web45104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Misc: SFI Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=0IU0R8Ocm3UyR8OsIgZpzVD-R3QCxIsntB5Kd2DflXVSQ3hZ_NhH X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008/03/10/the-devil-is-in-sixs-details.aspx Never, Ever Lose Sight of the Thrill... 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The 5,000-sq-ft house, to be built in Tomorrowland, will showcase current and future technological advances in home building, featuring actors playing the fictional Elias family as they move from room to room preparing for a trip to China. It is scheduled to open in late May. "We're excited to partner in this venture with DL," said Sheryl Palmer, TM's president and CEO. "I'm sure many of us remember the wonder and excitement of visiting Tomorrowland for the first time as children." TM will work with Microsoft Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co. and software maker LifeWare on the attraction. The home will replace the park's "House of the Future" attraction, originally built in 1957 and demolished 10 years later. ---------- =A9 Sarasota Herald-Tribune From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 16:47:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18072 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 23:47:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2008 23:47:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2008 23:47:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94117 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2008 23:47:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 44AgykMVM1l0A82lwBryGwAprQSyNunYwM22VWa2dT4v_QKE2X7a.rir7XR5w5gnh0DRhzx9sxdCLbNFW3PZvd10qquU38.283uwDe2Lsq4qttXYxfWruw-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:47:09 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:47:09 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1206031336.2798.80443.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <792636.93384.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Taylor Morrison to build dream home in Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=nykEi-EPbaa5w-wd1HKvmRIGorRI85rC8NENISNObb1-u6qSGapW X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > TM will work with Microsoft Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co. and software maker LifeWare on the attraction. < I find this interesting, seeing as Steve Jobs is Disney's largest shareholder. Perhaps the notoriously secretive Jobs didn't want to give away any secrets in Apple's future. I wonder if Microsoft will have one of their Surfaces on display. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 07:09:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88724 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2008 14:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2008 14:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2008 14:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:09:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:09:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Senate OKs financing bill for Eloy rock 'n roll theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4isXLrItq-WyFS1WYn22my5rz6lSSrYGyY5SDTyWZmKatFk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 03.21.2008 The Associated Press Tucson Citizen http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/local/80319.php PHOENIX, AZ -=97 Legislation to have the state help arrange financing for a proposed rock 'n' theme park in Eloy in Pinal County is halfway through the Legislature. The Senate voted 17-11 Thursday for the bill allowing public bond financing for the project. It now goes to the House. The bill creates a special district to issue up to $750 million of revenue bonds that would be repaid from taxes collected from park patrons. The $800 million project would have rock-themed rides, a luxury hotel and retail space. Supporters say the legislation has protections for the public and that the project could be an economic boon for the state. Opponents say the legislation sets a bad precedent that will encourage other companies to seek cheap state financing. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press Copyright =A9 2008 Tucson Citizen From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 07:17:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52269 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2008 14:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2008 14:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2008 14:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:17:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:17:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Fans to play 'CSI' in theme park show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=STlL_9to1e_EFsAD3ZJbR3wF8OKo2ldhOyoL9lCiQp9fq5I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 20 2008 Digital Spy http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/a92036/fans-to-play-csi-in-theme-park-show= .html?rss By Dave West VALENCIA, CA -- Fans will be able to solve crimes CSI-style in an interactive theme park show. CBS has agreed a deal with Mad Science Productions to run the "CSI: Live!" attraction at Six Flags Magic Mountain in Los Angeles. A half-hour show will begin with a crime which audience members then help to solve using scientific methods, as seen in CSI. They will be involved as suspects, witnesses and investigators. Liz Kalodner, general manager at CBS consumer products, said: "A lot of fans tune in because they love solving a mystery, and we saw this as an opportunity to let them really be involved in a case. The crime will not be a murder. It will be a family-friendly show." CSI creator Anthony Zuiker is said to have been consulted on the show but has had no direct involvement. ----------- Copyright =A9 1999-2008 Digital Spy Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 07:27:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6093 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2008 14:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2008 14:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2008 14:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:27:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:27:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Australian theme park operator buys Hawaii attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=r-F31o9ojQ0JIVOt64A4NoYbIvWvsoXLVmrmJjT41uyNPUc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 20, 2008 The Associated Press Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08080/864532-37.stm?cmpid=3Dlifestyle.xml KAPOLEI, HI -- Australia's biggest theme park owner-operator is taking over the closest thing Hawaii has to an amusement park for residents and tourists. Village Roadshow Limited signed an agreement to pay $27 million for the assets of Hawaiian Waters Adventure Park, including its 29 acres of water rides and attractions in Kapolei, park officials announced. The water park is also in a major growth area of Oahu. Target and Costco big box stores are being developed nearby, with new roads, office buildings and a shopping complex planned for Kapolei, which is being developed as Oahu's "second city," roughly 20 miles southwest of Honolulu's main business and hotel districts. Hawaiian Waters Adventure Park is Hawaii's only water theme amusement park, with a variety of water rides and other attractions that attract about 348,000 visitors a year. Some of its latest additions are an 18-hole, high-end miniature golf course and an attraction that features artificial surf just a few miles from the real Pacific Ocean surf that is a major island lure. With 1.2 million residents and 7 million tourists a year, Hawaii has a variety of man-made attractions, including the popular Polynesian Cultural Center with villages representing several Pacific cultures, but there currently is no permanent amusement park in the islands. Among VRL's attractions in Australia are Warner Bros. Movie World, Sea World, the Australian Outback Spectacular, and Wet 'n' Wild Water World, which it describes as one of the world's largest and most successful water parks. The company also has been in the movie business since the 1960s. Village Roadshow Pictures, which VRL owns with other investors, is described as the leading independent Hollywood movie producer, with such films as "Happy Feet," "Training Day" and "Mystic River." ------------ Copyright 2008 Associated Press Copyright =A91997 - 2008 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 07:35:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1521 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2008 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2008 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2008 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2008 14:35:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:35:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Myrtle Beach theme park readies for opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RDpfy_fr_XQXavQuHfR3eNZcDDBl52eRNtp-rjtgAJVWWAU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 18, 2008 The Associated Press Go Upstate http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080318/NEWS/334702583/1051/NEWS01 MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- Amusement parkgoers can soon experience the thrill of "Life in the Fast Lane" on a new roller coaster named after the Eagles' 1976 hit. Hard Rock theme park officials on Monday unveiled its longest roller coaster, a 2-minute ride that opens to the public next month. The $400 million theme park in Myrtle Beach becomes fully operational May 9. The Eagles will hold a concert during the grand opening in June. The park's GM, Dale Kaetzel, is excited the Eagles are involved in what he called the world's first rock 'n' roll theme park. The Sun News of Myrtle Beach reports that construction workers are continuing to get the 55-acre theme park ready. -------------- =A9Spartanburg Herald-Journal and GoUpstate.com Copyright 2008 The Associated Press From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 18:39:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82411 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2008 01:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2008 01:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2008 01:39:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59173 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2008 01:39:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A2Qc6k4VM1nu3_0iK_lyy37ds1Dd4sURDHTeJQKkfInw7nOahfx_iMAoO_ApGDSu2CJjOiVrWt3F8yKIXu_cpCuNAKP4c8ExeB8FY7de7L_BPyLwBW_tS7x2yF2tov0e7vGPqZA62QWLodA- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:39:53 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:39:53 -0700 (PDT) To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <571992.56253.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: SFNE plans advance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=nNjtSQyV06_tRNO90OFHx1dVvV-w4tXeq-WI0qVMShI6xQw_-yaO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The town of Agawam is happy. Six Flags is satisfied. Now they have two months to get the coaster up and running. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From guineapic@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 08:44:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: guineapic@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15849 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2008 15:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2008 15:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2008 15:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2008 15:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2008 15:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2008 15:44:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:44:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.119.145.127 From: "Toni Picariello" Subject: Wood Coaster Grips Riders in Real Horror X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103160671; y=sPI8IgD1n2f8_uaJJ6f3dO9mYyDMIOtk3b-WcWTflVzxIpG9 X-Yahoo-Profile: guineapic Don't know if this has already been a topic!! http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/03/113_21181.html=20 From lance@screamscape.com Sun Mar 23 09:23:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31354 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2008 16:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2008 16:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta09.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2008 16:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta09.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE953FDD8 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:23:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47e1b756.28a744 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:23:44 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH5oQQvgudcgIAAAAB,a8b50a1ff6ec93898a3d36d9fa59a568 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:23:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wood Coaster Grips Riders in Real Horror X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=EOMwjCJK1m740kmspIpfAkGsx7lCDuoqAwg5uzNClNDRh8SraFNNuvctlA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They really blew that incident out of porportion. A coaster probably comes to a stop on a lift hill in the US at least once or twice every week in the summer, so it's not really a big deal at all since that is one of the main reasons all the lift hills have staircases for the riders to come back down on. ----- Original Message ----- From: Toni Picariello To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wood Coaster Grips Riders in Real Horror Don't know if this has already been a topic!! http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/03/113_21181.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 17:11:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36166 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 00:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 00:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 00:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 00:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 00:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 00:11:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:11:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Wood Coaster Grips Riders in Real Horror X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=V4ODANOTzYm2cw0sS1Dxb0jh9B5rt1Bt4ue1efGo6WfK2gN3mQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > They really blew that incident out of porportion. A coaster probably=20 comes to a stop on a lift hill in the US at least once or twice every=20 week in the summer, so it's not really a big deal at all since that is=20 one of the main reasons all the lift hills have staircases for the=20 riders to come back down on. The issue is probably that they had to do an evac 9 days into the=20 ride's operation. I agree that they blew it out of proportion, but at a=20 park that had an on-ride fatality last year, it's not the kind of=20 publicity they were hoping from their newest ride! Chris From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Mar 23 19:13:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4736 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 02:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 02:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 02:13:53 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c35so555615anc.19 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:13:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.33.9 with SMTP id g9mr16186702ang.105.1206324832995; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm8361078aga.20.2008.03.23.19.13.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:13:52 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:13:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AciNVLRHDPmLX8fGSnKWSXYyKLNdjQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <47e70e60.20015a0a.1f0d.71af@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: Sponge Bob vid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=jY1cySu85G0EpeA8hZE1bzG7sMlaBjPhfquesLBFqwEmQR8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I uploaded my Sponge Bob EF vid to: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wmFD98fyfdE Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sun Mar 23 20:43:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84621 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 03:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 03:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 03:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E93418E8 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:42:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.47e1b64e.22939c for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:42:49 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH5yM5ykl0XgIAAAAB,12c0cf5454a87664345ff4f1f3a1d101 Message-ID: <2971A6D9DB5E400C98460F0D629A10FA@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <571992.56253.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <571992.56253.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:43:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFNE plans advance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=7bCmWi2H_v_J17NbFj8bzx837Q1IgeXExS2BfGJqYcX3ej9eaZ15lFEGAA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wont happen... 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--YCalReminder=Ucz0rJX5IdLRSmIatJGFE1206337809-1-- From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Mar 24 00:49:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77038 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 07:49:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 07:49:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nsmaster.badgerinternet.com) (207.170.26.132) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 07:49:50 -0000 X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] (100%) URL: contains 2 subdomains X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by nsmaster.badgerinternet.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with SMTP id 1560433 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:47:38 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 6219 invoked by uid 99); 24 Mar 2008 07:49:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20080324074917.6218.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 24 Mar 2008 02:49:17 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 99.153.134.47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 207.170.26.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFNE plans advance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=vy6x7_jWkJ0P_gnfiWyPYSo97SKMMF3jyGI8VjFy6GRju_0t X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I have to agree with Lance, especially since they don't have the building permit yet, and two more meetings before it can be issued. Dave > > Wont happen... I've heard it will late June at the earliest now... more likely July, before it opens. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Ducharme > To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:39 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFNE plans advance > > > The town of Agawam is happy. Six Flags is satisfied. > Now they have two months to get the coaster up and > running. > > > > Jay > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 06:48:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46844 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 13:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 13:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 13:46:33 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so652340ana.3 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.41.9 with SMTP id o9mr18254709ano.84.1206366392797; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:46:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=aSb1V2dfdogvAJpw9YwLJAATuF3bmQB5xUsObiXiPJbL4KU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Hey all. This has nothing to do with coasters, but seeing as how I've been on this list since 99 or 2000, I thought there may be some people who would be interested to hear that my girlfriend and I got engaged on Friday! I proposed in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge, with a beautiful view of the skyline and the statue of liberty. Sorry to interrupt the coaster discussion, but I'm really excited and wanted to share my good news. -mikeSKA From lance@screamscape.com Mon Mar 24 07:37:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81637 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 14:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 14:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta16.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 14:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CD2427E1 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:34:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47e1b756.32eacf for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:34:32 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH57v4Fh2FqgIAAAAB,65c195ca86b1829a1ef98a31c15f83de Message-ID: <67194C0FC57342FB80A231878D74748D@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:34:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=TYwwDCVrNjvup6RgZ2HYB70SR8N-c5nu5L0rt3Pj3FbbnJqNb28MdkdcMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats!! No more single rider line for you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cowan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: I'm Engaged! Hey all. This has nothing to do with coasters, but seeing as how I've been on this list since 99 or 2000, I thought there may be some people who would be interested to hear that my girlfriend and I got engaged on Friday! I proposed in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge, with a beautiful view of the skyline and the statue of liberty. Sorry to interrupt the coaster discussion, but I'm really excited and wanted to share my good news. -mikeSKA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 08:27:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34712 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 15:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 15:25:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 15:25:58 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n40so472569gve.38 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.105.13 with SMTP id h13mr3204653ybm.180.1206371941379; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30803240819x616a5f52h494d07a80d92fb59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:19:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=gQs-LNTX-09QD3IPnq6T2E24QirSU-AqmjRaG7qm52VReX3F X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Congrats Mike :) On 3/24/08, Michael Cowan wrote: > Hey all. > > This has nothing to do with coasters, but seeing as how I've been on > this list since 99 or 2000, I thought there may be some people who > would be interested to hear that my girlfriend and I got engaged on > Friday! I proposed in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge, with a > beautiful view of the skyline and the statue of liberty. > > Sorry to interrupt the coaster discussion, but I'm really excited and > wanted to share my good news. > > -mikeSKA > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 11:22:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 877 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 18:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 18:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 18:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 18:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 18:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 18:20:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:20:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Opponents to hold rally against proposed Bible park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tGfVG0Cc0gbAgjqJSl7R5tIX7CeX4zqcB3Ksg30_d2mKN0o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 23, 2008 The Tennessean http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080323/COUNTY07/80= 3230404 MURFREESBORO, TN -=97 Opponents of a proposed Bible-based theme park in Rutherford County are gearing up for a show of force at public meetings on the development. An anti-Bible park rally is planned for 10 a.m. Saturday at the Blackman Community Center. The $175 million Bible Park USA is being planned on 282 acres in the Blackman community. Developers hope to open the park by 2010. John Batey, who lives near the site, said the rally is largely to invigorate opponents before upcoming public meetings. The developers' zoning request will go before the Rutherford County Future Development Committee on April 3 and the Rutherford County Regional Planning Commission on April 14. The financing proposal will be considered at a Rutherford County Industrial Development Board meeting on April 2. Blackman resident Rafe Hyatt said opponents are preparing information to counter every point the park's developer, Armon Bar-Tur, is making in support of the development. "If we're given a chance to force a public referendum on this, I think we will be able to send this guy packing," Hyatt said. Terri Sterling, a spokeswoman for the park's developers, SafeHarbor Holdings LLC, has said the development will stand up to any level of scrutiny. Park developers maintain that within five years, the park would pump $127 million annually into the county's economy, creating 250 full-time jobs and as many as 1,200 seasonal or part-time jobs. Opponents have raised concerns about the traffic and noise that the park could bring into residential areas. ----------- Copyright =A9 2008 The Tennessean From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 11:27:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43968 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 18:26:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 18:26:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 18:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 18:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 18:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 18:25:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:25:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Orlando man Charged in Theme Park Scheme X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=LW8ypBU-bY2JP6NzVf76rYlWlRReuHa9kQ5fXh_LFccQlHI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 21 Mar 2008 WOFL FOX-35 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3D6098156&ver= sion=3D7&locale=3DEN-US&layoutCode=3DTSTY&pageId=3D3.2.1 SEMINOLE COUNTY, FL -- A central Florida man has been charged in a credit card scheme involving various Orlando theme parks and tourist attractions. On Friday Orange County sheriff's office announced the arrest of Jason MaClaren, 23, following a 6 month investigation. Detectives say MaClaren would call hotel guests in their rooms and offer them discount tickets on dinner deals and park tickets. He would take their credit card information over the phone and tell them to pick up their tickets at a certain time and location. When the victims showed up to pick up their tickets, MaClaren wasn't there and they realized they were scammed. MaClaren then used the credit cards to order theme park tickets over the phone and pick them up right away before the credit card was canceled. He would then sell the tickets to people at numerous theme park locations. Investigators estimate the value of the tickets at $30,000.00. They have identified 45 cases and contacted 33 victims of the scam. MaClaren has been charged with identify theft, grand theft, and fraudulent use of a credit card. He is currently being held in the Brevard County jail on a traffic charge. In 2006 he was arrested for calling guests at the Grand Floridian for a similar scam. He failed to appear in court on those charges. --------- TM and (c) 2008 Fox Television Stations, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 11:36:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80324 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 18:35:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 18:35:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 18:35:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 18:35:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2008 18:35:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:35:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hong Kong Disneyland targets Chinese yuppies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VsqjrTYhTmD_Pz2MITCJFw20VNGBZrYmKX3xJMQknWkejko X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 21, 2008 The Associated Press Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08081/864534-37.stm?cmpid=3Dlifestyle.xml LANTAU ISLAND, HONG KONG, CHINA -- Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL) hopes to reverse the fortunes of Disney's first theme park in China with a marketing campaign geared toward young, well-to-do Chinese adults. Mainland professionals in their 20s and 30s may have an affinity for Disney not seen in the larger population, and park officials say the solution to its poor performance is a targeted marketing campaign aimed at this segment of Chinese consumers. Those children who were first exposed to Disney as they were growing up in the 1990s -- now young adults -- are prime potential visitors to HKDL, Maple Lee, HKDL VP for marketing, told The Associated Press in a recent interview. And advertising will be shifted away from billboards to these younger consumers' medium of choice -- the Internet, Lee said. HKDL was supposed to be a triumphant showcase of the Disney brand at the doorstep of mainland China when it opened in September 2005. But its first year it drew just 5.2 million guests -- 400,000 fewer than projected -- and attendance tumbled to about 4 million the second. Although Chinese tourists did outnumber Hong Kong and foreign visitors that 2nd year, according to data from the Hong Kong government, they still haven't arrived in the volumes that investors had hoped for. The younger, urban workers being targeted are relatively high earners who can afford the pricey trip to Hong Kong -- usually an hours-long plane ride -- and the $38 per person adult admission. That's too much for the average Chinese worker, who makes $70 to $110 per month. But park officials still face an obstacle in Disney's young history in China. Mickey Mouse animation first appeared in China in 1986 and Disney only started expanding in earnest in the country in 1993 and 1994, according to Lee. "Dragon Club," a Chinese TV show that features Disney animation, has been on the air for 12 years, the same length of time that genuine Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck stuffed animals have occupied store shelves in China. In contrast, the first Disneyland opened in Anaheim, CA, in the U.S. in 1955, and the brand appeals across generations. "Take an 8-y.o. child in the U.S. in 2008 for example, his or her parents and grandparents already had ties to Disney," Lee said. -------------- Copyright 2008 Associated Press Copyright =A91997 - 2008 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 16:22:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97117 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 23:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 23:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 23:22:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85756 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2008 23:22:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: e34z1isVM1m83OaZBlot9.rUwWBTecp562WQtDXeaUf5sHBXBNt7_2qla5GKJ6IArktyyOHkTUB6j.JCvPQopKbINhbCF_XUdf5LmRxKbEDjXrUH0kl_YZxA2Q4mE4Fv5qksrKyVxm_y.Q-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:22:20 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:22:20 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1206289871.164.61783.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <760132.84870.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Wood Coaster Grips Riders in Real Horror X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VlHyrR2GPDi7dAb3JPt_Pf4LZ5XFfaUmOlN0iQ4q7a8gZqrLtqSl X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I agree, this was blown out of proportion. Must have been a slow news day there. > While the ``T Express'' was climbing the track, the machine came to a sudden stop and 36 riders had to cling on to their carriages, 50-meters above ground, for 10 minutes. < "Cling to their carriages?" They weren't in an inversion! They were just sitting there at a shallow angle -- for all of ten minutes! The only thing a report like this accomplishes is to create needless fear about park safety. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 24 16:26:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62187 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 23:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 23:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 23:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jdw3K-0001cO-Sg for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:26:07 -0400 Message-ID: <47E837C9.7020804@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:22:49 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9dabdbb49094eac2237941f6dc63039cfefb050a69a1c42350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=kL0VexG3PqErBc4HOhCZyrEEZ9euzzSl_iEVI3KpTxd5Vd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > > > Hey all. > > This has nothing to do with coasters, but seeing as how I've been on > this list since 99 or 2000, I thought there may be some people who > would be interested to hear that my girlfriend and I got engaged on > Friday! I proposed in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge, with a > beautiful view of the skyline and the statue of liberty. > > Sorry to interrupt the coaster discussion, but I'm really excited and > wanted to share my good news. > A huge congrats to you Mike!! I'm happy for you. So tell us about who's going to have to put up with you for the rest of your life! And any ideas yet on dates or wedding locations? keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 16:35:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68958 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 23:35:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 23:35:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.235) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 23:35:18 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so3800539wxc.23 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:35:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.33.21 with SMTP id l21mr2720567rvj.251.1206401714591; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:35:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:35:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47E837C9.7020804@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> <47E837C9.7020804@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=dxhGzyCz1Yjr3SurYLIme1mcrjQOXCUiXQE_jpLDiG_gvSHUkZsnJ7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > This has nothing to do with coasters, but seeing as how I've been on > > this list since 99 or 2000, I thought there may be some people who > > would be interested to hear that my girlfriend and I got engaged on > > Friday! So is now the time that we roll out Mike's classic drunken "up and down" post? :) Congrats! -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 24 16:50:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47887 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 23:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 23:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 23:50:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31163 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 23:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 24 Mar 2008 23:50:50 -0000 Message-ID: <47E83E52.4040505@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:50:42 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=szAkXahhn7u3ccPVQikG8HiKI1M1HgkdisMjRbJ07tRjVuS1 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Congratulations, Mike! I also give you many cool-points for location, the Brooklyn Bridge is fantastic. Cameron. Michael Cowan wrote: > Hey all. > > This has nothing to do with coasters, but seeing as how I've been on > this list since 99 or 2000, I thought there may be some people who > would be interested to hear that my girlfriend and I got engaged on > Friday! I proposed in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge, with a > beautiful view of the skyline and the statue of liberty. > > Sorry to interrupt the coaster discussion, but I'm really excited and > wanted to share my good news. > > -mikeSKA > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 16:59:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19851 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2008 23:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2008 23:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2008 23:59:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74566 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2008 23:59:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y3Gx52wVM1l4GE.5MN4r8gkDzxYCWyZ67timrYpFiOG.W0ERIL5NPg0sc3Iwtnpr8DbYrVSeU9w02FICgerE67G0bwcs_KeRrLrFHX_b66vvDSwtm.8NnBP33y0SlA-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:59:57 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:59:57 -0700 (PDT) To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <745325.73642.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: Sponge Bob vid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=nz7amJnDjqaIZCp91081BVdYyWK_gXYE8UHJsvLCKkf8aZOxmw6u X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Another great job, Adam! You captured some nice footage of the flats there too! You could make a second career out of being a park videographer. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 17:01:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19337 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 00:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 00:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 00:01:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11631 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2008 00:01:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HxnmohkVM1kWf78e25aZG5etkQlB76mx8ClHD59X9mbEGeTGt.MIKKUQVG60KNkb9g_JFpP1KhGUvJIvnYIU.AVux50q78o93iZw3R1hzDgk5x9vCEU- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:01:55 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:01:55 -0700 (PDT) To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <115804.8330.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Hypersonic Anniversary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=JCjT9rCOBkm3EZ9q3cHflQrZ0SZm8F9FZ6i6eTm6QNqYqmm3761R X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > his was the first Compressed Air Launch of its kind installed into an Amusement Park. < ...and one of the most painful rides ever created. Who would have ever though that rubber tires could be manufactured in a square shape? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 17:17:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69427 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 00:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 00:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 00:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 00:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 00:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 00:17:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:17:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <115804.8330.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Hypersonic Anniversary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=iyZdrrU330Yu-p0rfLGRQdBlFKuUR-yMo8WE0k9XImtxpG24Qu7D X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 >=20 > ...and one of the most painful rides ever created.=20 > Who would have ever though that rubber tires could be > manufactured in a square shape? >=20 > Jay >=20 I rode HS about 6 or 7 times in it's all-too-short lifetime. I've=20 seen other comments about painful rides, but my experience was of one=20 of the smoothest rides I've ever been on. And that's over the space=20 of three separate visits. Not even CLOSE to painful or uncomfortable=20 for THIS rider. Mike=20=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 18:11:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41992 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 01:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 01:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 01:11:19 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so784534ana.9 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.70.5 with SMTP id x5mr16792423ank.93.1206407474802; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0803241811y717a8dfhf0df9862e767846f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:11:14 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47E837C9.7020804@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0803240646u4fec1408ve75203b2cd48a370@mail.gmail.com> <47E837C9.7020804@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=ZJNzgGpREv0CWgYynhxrvdtne4b3A1cIvucaTOGTm0DJTL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Her name is Erin, and she actually came with me to holiwood nights last spring, and PPP the fall before that, so she puts up with the ridiculous roller coaster trips. Right now we're thinking april of 2010, to give us a few years to save. We'll probably have the wedding somewhere in CT, since that's where we both live. -Mike > A huge congrats to you Mike!! I'm happy for you. > > So tell us about who's going to have to put up with you for the rest of > your life! And any ideas yet on dates or wedding locations? > > keep on ridin' > George From lance@screamscape.com Mon Mar 24 19:18:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15117 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 02:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 02:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta16.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 02:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3BD40A98 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:18:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47e1b7f9.29839e for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:18:21 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH6GDtF9V0DgIAAAAB,c5688fe1b57bf5e2a67c379be6a8ab69 Message-ID: <62E9E0177A364FB4901020F20BC927E2@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <115804.8330.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <115804.8330.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:18:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hypersonic Anniversary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=KXsmez0DWOlHN-Wj52guDMztLJQ4aK6dredAiWk5YVPXsIXQsEt7ud7AWg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Ducharme To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hypersonic Anniversary > his was the first Compressed Air Launch of its kind installed into an Amusement Park. < ...and one of the most painful rides ever created. Who would have ever though that rubber tires could be manufactured in a square shape? Jay --------- The air tired seemed to work fine when I rode and this was far from being a painful ride. It seemed to be a little jarring and disturbing to some of the general public I watched come off it, but that all seemed to do with just how forceful it was during the launch and hill. The only "bad" spot in the entire ride when I rode was the s-turn near the very end, which was only there because of the last second forced engineering to make the ride fit into the location at PKD. When Paramount bought the used prototype of the Thrust Air from S&S they wanted it for Great America in California and even began to clear the site and put up construction walls with teaser hints. Then they suddenly moved the project to PKD... into a site far smaller than the PGA location which forced a lot of last second changes to happen very quickly to get the ride open on time. So any problems with the right were kind of brought on Paramount by their own actions. I thought it was a blast myself, with my only complaint being that the trains only held 8 riders so capacity was a nightmare. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 19:28:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50428 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 02:28:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 02:28:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.249) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 02:28:01 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so2289588and.125 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.164.10 with SMTP id m10mr19579456ane.14.1206412080542; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm10647490agd.25.2008.03.24.19.27.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:28:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:27:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AciOFSQHfVPlNa65RQmFRzIhPwfQpQABQbBQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0803241811y717a8dfhf0df9862e767846f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.249 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=sKPzrJmr4ADRMBxgSsZmUCS1eO9FhtO0RsRDr2yNH_9_Qck X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually got engaged on Friday, too- no place as cool as NYC, though. Definitely makes me feel old, I think I have been posting here since the fall of '97 or the spring of '98 when I was freshman in college. Scary. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 19:28:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58032 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 02:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 02:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 02:28:47 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o28so1583262ele.3 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:28:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.57.5 with SMTP id f5mr3659612yba.71.1206412126674; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:28:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30803241928s2db66f58s7cc99ebb46cfad9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:28:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0803241811y717a8dfhf0df9862e767846f@mail.gmail.com> <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=s_Fxmt1cjo2MrJvjdt7zSbrnk8Tkf0BGENXUMTtWZsEQgDZe X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Congrats to you too, Adam :) On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Adam Sandy wrote: > I actually got engaged on Friday, too- no place as cool as NYC, though. > Definitely makes me feel old, I think I have been posting here since the > fall of '97 or the spring of '98 when I was freshman in college. Scary. > > > > Adam > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 20:12:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41720 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 03:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 03:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 03:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 03:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 03:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 03:12:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:12:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=i5tEn13ZMLtLjEZ1JnJ0B4xHd3JMZ5CP0N82Qbrx_Q5Lud4khQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Congrats, Gentlemen!=20 It's about time y'all joined the ranks of the respectable.=20 (Or a reasonable facsimile thereof.) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy"=20 wrote: > > I actually got engaged on Friday, too- no place as cool as NYC,=20 though. > Definitely makes me feel old, I think I have been posting here=20 since the > fall of '97 or the spring of '98 when I was freshman in college.=20=20 Scary. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Adam >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 20:30:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76467 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 03:30:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 03:30:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 03:30:03 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c30so2153360wra.14 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.149.2 with SMTP id w2mr13273560wad.29.1206415802399; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.199.13 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:30:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=BepU7uQUOIXK1W3mWwWmnU1A7tQUxO1Jrmi1bP0j66zfoCtN732kiWU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Wow, TWO engagements on the list! No on-ride weddings, I hope. Congrats Mike & Horseypole! -Nate (not getting married :) ) From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 06:08:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1494 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 13:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 13:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.242) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 13:07:44 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 23so3097843hsn.12 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.205.9 with SMTP id c9mr21574536ang.85.1206450463498; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0803250607k2b9d6a59ic990e0093838747a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:07:43 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <62E9E0177A364FB4901020F20BC927E2@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <115804.8330.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <62E9E0177A364FB4901020F20BC927E2@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hypersonic Anniversary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=RumIikwbWjONfhKEvh1NvJFsMi3CAEBwk2M_azzAvn0czNA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I went to Kings Dominion last summer for the first time, and almost every ride was a walk on, with the more popular rides having 10-15 minute waits (volcano, IJ, FoF) but we went into the H:XLC line and in the first 20 min we moved a few feet and said screw it. I would have liked to experience the launch, but the ride did not seem worth the apparently 2 hour wait. And now that the ride is gone, I do not regret that decision. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Lance wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Ducharme > To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:01 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hypersonic Anniversary > > > his was the first Compressed Air Launch of its kind > installed into an Amusement Park. < > > ...and one of the most painful rides ever created. > Who would have ever though that rubber tires could be > manufactured in a square shape? > > Jay > --------- > > The air tired seemed to work fine when I rode and this was far from being a > painful ride. > It seemed to be a little jarring and disturbing to some of the general > public I watched come > off it, but that all seemed to do with just how forceful it was during the > launch and hill. > The only "bad" spot in the entire ride when I rode was the s-turn near the > very end, which > was only there because of the last second forced engineering to make the > ride fit into the > location at PKD. When Paramount bought the used prototype of the Thrust Air > from S&S > they wanted it for Great America in California and even began to clear the > site and put up > construction walls with teaser hints. Then they suddenly moved the project > to PKD... into a > site far smaller than the PGA location which forced a lot of last second > changes to happen > very quickly to get the ride open on time. So any problems with the right > were kind of > brought on Paramount by their own actions. > > I thought it was a blast myself, with my only complaint being that the > trains only held 8 riders so capacity was a nightmare. > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 06:22:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17914 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 13:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 13:20:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.189) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 13:19:59 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l14so556363gvf.12 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.110.14 with SMTP id n14mr3979296ybm.188.1206451198141; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.143.7 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0803250619r4c2cba2am988711b6c505d54c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:19:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=LbGfyzhNHoldlMVHBVpfXiiJUGguNMeSaxPWuHAYkc7FlXM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Wow, TWO engagements on the list! No on-ride weddings, I hope. > Congrats Mike & Horseypole! No. However, I am wearing my patch vest on the big day my bride will sport a Conneaut Lake tank top while walking down the aisle. It will be hot and sexy like an ACE buffet. Adam From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 06:27:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54002 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 13:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 13:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 13:27:23 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c10so906220ana.18 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.172.16 with SMTP id u16mr21698579ane.89.1206451643291; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0803250627t7fbe558bgfa79e7ac9e2601d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:27:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0803250619r4c2cba2am988711b6c505d54c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> <165816ef0803250619r4c2cba2am988711b6c505d54c@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=cmxFWyPAXFMpX1P8IxEpredpCJ4J8THbi2C5JZE1g-KH1lM X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Congrats Adam. You actually got to meet my lucky lady at 2006 PPP when we were sitting around the fire with Brian and J. -Mikeska On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Adam Sandy wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, TWO engagements on the list! No on-ride weddings, I hope. > > Congrats Mike & Horseypole! > > No. However, I am wearing my patch vest on the big day my bride will > sport a Conneaut Lake tank top while walking down the aisle. It will > be hot and sexy like an ACE buffet. > > Adam > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 07:29:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8730 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 14:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 14:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 14:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:29:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:29:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pzIGQpBA9-_rUEeiwKaPdLRMWwt8-9XRqL1c_rTmztCtoY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Can you tell that Spring is in the air? ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wrote: > > I actually got engaged on Friday, too- no place as cool as NYC, though. > Definitely makes me feel old, I think I have been posting here since the > fall of '97 or the spring of '98 when I was freshman in college. Scary. >=20 > Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 07:39:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39596 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 14:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 14:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 14:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:38:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:38:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Maitama Amusement Park Excites Abuja Residents X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZfUIWnGbSfB2R3u6TzNWuzBSEG-NzCtpCT9BU-yFaiNMiog X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 24 March 2008 All Africa Global Media http://allafrica.com/stories/200803240245.html By Isaac Aimurie MAITAMA, ABUJA, NIGERIA -- The Federal Capital Territory Abuja came alive yesterday as excited residents of the city, in their hundreds, were shown round world-class recreational facilities in the Maitama Amusement Park (MAP), the city's latest addition to the leisure and entertainment industry. The occasion marked the official commissioning of the N5 billion recreational and entertainment facility, which was conceptualised and developed by SUBOTECH Nigeria Limited (SNL). It is Nigeria's largest park covering 18 hectares of land in the highbrow area of Maitama, Abuja, with different rides, games and activities. The CEO and managing director of SNL, owners of the park, Ambassador Saidu Pindar, said the park was a product of his several trips to other countries of the world in the course of his public service career spanning over 35 years. "I have had the privilege of traversing the world as part of a tour of duty in the service of our nation. I have witnessed and experienced how recreational facilities, leisure and associated services have been used to turn cities into tourist havens and ultimate contributor to national wealth," said Pindar. This realisation, he maintained, planted the initial seeds that encouraged his team to complement Nigeria's rising profile as a tourist destination of choice and, more importantly, to inculcate the culture of relaxation and leisure into the lives of Nigerians. The SNL boss continued: "Over the 10-year period it has taken to conceptualise and develop this dream, I must say that by far the greatest catalyst for this project is the federal government's liberalisation of the tourism sector and the restoration of the Abuja master plan. This latter policy entailed, amongst others, the concessioning of green areas within the FCT for development into parks and recreational areas. We thus got the FCT administration's approval to build and operate an amusement and recreational facility on this 18-hectare land for an initial concessionary period of 50 years. "The capital-intensive nature of this project, coupled with the very challenging topography of this site, made development a very uphill venture. We would not have been able to surmount the drainage and flood problems within the park without the assistance of the FCDA and AMMA (DPR). I am also glad to inform that several foresighted individuals saw the very high potentials herein involved and, coupled with our personal commitment, agreed to share in our dream for this venture. Thus far, we have invested about N670m to enable the commissioning of only the first phase, and have provided employment to over 100 Nigerians. "We have an unparalleled advantage in this service, in that we are a wholly Nigerian concern, developed as a result of our desire to give back to Nigeria from the opportunities we have had and in response to the federal government's call for a private-public partnership as the most effective panacea to our national economic reengineering. We have 14 different rides, games and activities some of which are unique to us only, and we have a crop of dedicated staff that are enthusiastic and passionate about their job. We have a select group of private investors who are discerning enough to identify the huge potentials in this business and who, like me, share in the federal government's desire to turn Abuja into a tourist destination of first choice. In addition, we have partnered with 7-Up Bottling Company and Sambest Bottling Company as our major suppliers of drinks while eateries like Bon Cafe, Indomie, UAC restaurants, Chicken Republic and Drumstix have all signed up to operate within the park. We also have about 10 other partners offering various complementary services. "The 2nd phase of the development of the MAP will commence and continue concurrently even as we open the Phase-I for public use. Our future plans include modern food court, cinema theatre, roller coaster and 20m Ferris wheel. "An extensive water game, which includes rides and slides, and a wave pool, is currently being designed to take advantage of the stream running through the park. A mini zoo is already being constructed while a Jurastic park with animatronics and dinosaurs is also planned. We anticipate that the FCT authorities will allow us build a modest tourist hotel to fully complement services being offered. All these will be available in the 2nd phase. We envisage investing an estimated N5 billion on this 18-hectare land to achieve the comprehensive plan and provide employment to some 500 Nigerians." Commissioning the facility, President Umaru Musa Yar'Adua, represented by the minister of tourism, culture and national orientation, Adetokunbo Kayode, said the project was a demonstration of the creative spirit of Nigerians. The whole essence of his administration's 7-point agenda, Yar'Adua maintained, "is to bring the spirit of empowerment and creativity; if a project like this can be established in every city, we would be looking at about N10 billion in the next 10 years and, by that time, 1 out of every 10 Nigerians would be lucratively engaged in the tourism sector." He tasked state governments to partner with the private sector in the project that could create jobs for thousands of Nigerians and raise their standard of living. Yar'Adua stressed that his administration was reviewing the nation's fiscal policy and tax system to engender a safe and secured business environment for investors. In his remark, the minister of the Federal Capital Territory, Dr Aliyu Modibbo Umar, said the FCT administration places high premium on achieving a unique character for the city, which informed his decision to designate 135 hectares of land by the children's zoo as Abuja Central Park, adding that the FCT was working on a N50 billion boulevard through public-private partnership. Modibbo further said that his administration was going to review the whole idea of concessioning land. "I think entrepreneurs should not be tied down to concessioning, so I have been reviewing that process and I think I ought to give you your certificate of occupancy. I really do believe that the concessioning of FCT needs to be reviewed," he stressed. Concessioning, he said, creates room for corruption, as the business of the FCT is to collect levies and provide services, and advised the park's management to ensure traffic is controlled at all times. ----------- =A9 2008 Leadership From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 07:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53456 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 14:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 14:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 14:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:44:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:44:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement Park Admission Costs Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=7LDvnggGFRoVs64qyAL3o3t--2wn8O6eFiMZZMquy4lCb5s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 22, 2008 KFDA-TV NewsChannel 10 http://www.newschannel10.com/global/story.asp?s=3D8056381 AMARILLO, TX -- Be prepared to open your wallet a little wider this summer because local entertainment businesses are passing the buck onto you. Newschannel 10 went to opening day at Wonderland Amusement Park to find out why the owners say admission prices are going up. Wonderland owner Paul Borchardt says the cost of everything is going up and as a result he has no choice but to make financial adjustments. For Norma Ortega money is tight and she says she's worried she will not be able to make as many trips to the park with her children this year. "We usually go about 4-5 times a year probably we're not going to be able to do it that much we'll probably go once or twice if possible." But she says wonderland park is a cheaper alternative to driving south to the bigger amusement parks. "We're not going to be able to and that's bad on the kids too you know, we wanted to take them to San Antonio, Fiesta Texas and with the prices it makes it harder on the parents." Borchardt tells me he wishes he did not have to change anything. He says, "It makes you feel sick. You don't have any choice if you're going to stay in business you have to raise prices to stay with it." Borchardt says the most dramatic cost increase is labor with a 40% jump in minimum wage from last year. We called around to local businesses and Sports World tells us the price for a single go kart ride is increasing by 50 cents this year. -------------- =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2008 WorldNow and KFDA From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 07:49:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89446 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 14:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 14:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 14:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 14:49:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:49:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Suan Siam negotiates over woman's death X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GlIAozR1Q4vqepgjvho6eYnpqU_I_TtUwEuDeleHbsmyrw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 24, 2008 The Nation http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=3D30069034 BANGKOK, THAILAND -- The Suan Siam amusement park Monday asked Bangkok's Min Buri Court to allow negotiations over a lawsuit filed by the family of a Thai woman killed on the "Indiana Log" ride accident last October. The family asked for Bt3 million in compensation for the death of Pachadaporn Khongkrarian - who died when the water sluice passenger boat fell from the ride's artificial hill into water 20 metres below. The park's lawyer, Anek Khamchum, told the court that the defendants wished to negotiate to pay the family about Bt700,000 in compensation with an offer to send the victim's 2 daughters to school until they complete a university degree. The plaintiff's lawyer responded that the plaintiff found the offer acceptable and would drop the lawsuit if such a compensation package was agreed upon. -------------- (c) 2007 NMG News Co., Ltd. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 08:41:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42242 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 15:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 15:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 15:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 15:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 15:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 15:40:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:40:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.41.245 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=tYjks32l_-nR5qfUEd1UioZuOCiBgOoCtextltjVtBaum8_SUC9t X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Mike, I know you already called me, but congrats again. I'll bet you can't wait for your wedding night. You'll finally get what you've been wanting all this time, bouncing up and down on your lap. I'm talking full on penetra... Oh wait, I've done this joke before. Too bad it never gets old... for me! And too bad George is the only other person on here who's gonna get it. -Brian F. From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 09:04:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12429 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 16:04:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 16:04:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 16:04:07 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o2so717491gve.1 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:04:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.136.6 with SMTP id j6mr4118885ybd.117.1206460671084; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:57:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30803250857j5b99dd9arbf94bc9baaa26b24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:57:51 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=lRI77auIqMhHkoRkTz8kqg_JPixHoDOLb2uQ4SjEEc_8Xqzi X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons You misjudge the memories of several of us around here, Brian. I mean, Nate even beat you to the joke :P On 3/25/08, tommytheduck wrote: > Mike, I know you already called me, but congrats again. I'll bet you > can't wait for your wedding night. You'll finally get what you've > been wanting all this time, bouncing up and down on your lap. I'm > talking full on penetra... Oh wait, I've done this joke before. Too > bad it never gets old... for me! And too bad George is the only other > person on here who's gonna get it. > > -Brian F. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 09:09:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65630 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 16:08:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 16:08:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 16:08:01 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so903265anc.12 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.214.3 with SMTP id m3mr22065182ang.114.1206461277736; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0803250907m40fc334bk2007c0ddda006c8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:07:57 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30803250857j5b99dd9arbf94bc9baaa26b24@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30803250857j5b99dd9arbf94bc9baaa26b24@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=R7TNW2zX9utP6lgXoYI3dB4vXb8UToyhalP3BsgOx-51KGY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I don't think I'll ever live that one down :) On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Beth Aslakson wrote: > > > > > > > You misjudge the memories of several of us around here, Brian. I mean, > Nate even beat you to the joke :P > > > On 3/25/08, tommytheduck wrote: > > Mike, I know you already called me, but congrats again. I'll bet you > > can't wait for your wedding night. You'll finally get what you've > > been wanting all this time, bouncing up and down on your lap. I'm > > talking full on penetra... Oh wait, I've done this joke before. Too > > bad it never gets old... for me! And too bad George is the only other > > person on here who's gonna get it. > > > > -Brian F. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word > about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 09:21:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92956 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 16:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 16:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 16:21:35 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r23so1750506elf.21 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.67.21 with SMTP id u21mr3478793rvk.222.1206462093962; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:21:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.199.13 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:21:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30803250857j5b99dd9arbf94bc9baaa26b24@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30803250857j5b99dd9arbf94bc9baaa26b24@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=SmCIHJ_etMLJPs-WpMa4srHnJqigzWwP_o_6YQrSKdiUqtRVbTF44i4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > You misjudge the memories of several of us around here, Brian. I mean, > Nate even beat you to the joke :P I think there are probably several of us who remember it (and thought of the same thing with Mike's engagement announcement). One of my top five favorite posts for sure. -Nate From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 09:57:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35854 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 16:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 16:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 16:57:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20172 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2008 16:57:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Mmjw_M0VM1lxY7eDDtgQ8ZUuASC_YplOjArMWIrhhBgG6tfXl_Igg3O1sa7J59e.n_IKcf86HllYovyi_wJxtIyO7k150V9pUYVxprSHYX4de0eToGAkhzt4BDtldI6ZQAwmM.cSMbLdWQ-- X-Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:57:29 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:57:29 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <268752.19755.qm@web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=6n7PVA-ZfcP7IeAfM2k3y-62sisMn-8Cmt6qS2qKizxkHrdr X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Adam Sandy wrote: > I actually got engaged on Friday, too- no place as > cool as NYC, though. > Definitely makes me feel old, I think I have been > posting here since the > fall of '97 or the spring of '98 when I was freshman > in college. Scary. Well congrats to you both! Always remember, marriage is a great institution....for those that want to be institutionalized! Welcome to the club. lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Mar 25 11:54:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14339 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 18:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 18:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 18:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d0b.1d46013e (37085) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:50:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB067-90dd47e9496ac9; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:50:18 -0400 Message-ID: <47E94969.50102@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:50:17 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=ymbz6fUulbpMwdCJ9T4wbgh6l5WsWXgYUeY5nbXNhH75qA4QFA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Wow, TWO engagements on the list! No on-ride weddings, I hope. > > Congrats Mike & Horseypole! > > -Nate (not getting married :) ) > You can make that three, actually. I popped the question a little more then a month ago (yeah, she actually said yes too). Many congrats to both Mike and Adam. It certainly changes your perspective on life. Oh, and yeah, she likes coasters too! -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Friends don't let friends drink Starbucks! McCarthy was RIGHT! From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:09:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59330 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 19:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 19:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.186) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 19:08:34 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 24so1071195tim.21 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.78.15 with SMTP id f15mr4249387ybl.187.1206472111505; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30803251208j529ef043g8f0dae00b68ef365@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:08:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47E94969.50102@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> <47E94969.50102@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=ZrE0mtrb4A6hAQd3OnaII4x6ii9FQ-3knTsmUbq7uXSYkV2X X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Sheesh, it's like a disease or something. Congrats Nathan. :) On 3/25/08, Nathan Brown wrote: > Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Wow, TWO engagements on the list! No on-ride weddings, I hope. > > > > Congrats Mike & Horseypole! > > > > -Nate (not getting married :) ) > > > > > You can make that three, actually. I popped the question a little more > then a month ago (yeah, she actually said yes too). > > Many congrats to both Mike and Adam. It certainly changes your > perspective on life. > > Oh, and yeah, she likes coasters too! > > -- > Nathan Brown > > AKA Cyclonic > Penncoasters.com > > The Insensitivity rolls on... > > Friends don't let friends drink Starbucks! > > McCarthy was RIGHT! > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 12:34:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19077 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 19:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 19:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 19:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JeEtg-0004xr-Hx for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:33:24 -0400 Message-ID: <47E952BD.1060401@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:30:05 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9dabdbb49094eacdb285f022deacf69f99a3a50c34d647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=W_AYZQoGVlwzmEa839KFd6Z-Xzr01c-O9Rg837wnt7DpNKc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash tommytheduck wrote: > > > Mike, I know you already called me, but congrats again. I'll bet you > can't wait for your wedding night. You'll finally get what you've > been wanting all this time, bouncing up and down on your lap. I'm > talking full on penetra... Oh wait, I've done this joke before. Too > bad it never gets old... for me! And too bad George is the only other > person on here who's gonna get it. **Shakes head in disgust and amusement at Brian** Am I the only other one? Thought there were a couple of others here... Anyways..... Congrats to Adam also. Now, y'all know that if you need a minister, I happen to know one pretty well who might be available for the price of a plane ticket, even if it's on discount standby... Oh, wait, already did that one also. hehe Y'know, they say that things happen in threes, so who's our third one here? keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 12:34:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22316 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 19:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 19:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 19:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JeEui-00068b-Es for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:34:28 -0400 Message-ID: <47E952FF.6030106@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:31:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <74b0c9f30803250857j5b99dd9arbf94bc9baaa26b24@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0803250907m40fc334bk2007c0ddda006c8d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0803250907m40fc334bk2007c0ddda006c8d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9dabdbb49094eacaf94363d97eef5511b8a4c59ecf317a8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=x3H-SVn4PKvaCa0Gywqhl4bxaWPhDir9tBrUKzTPzzJFB5A X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Beth Aslakson > wrote: > > You misjudge the memories of several of us around here, Brian. I mean, > > Nate even beat you to the joke :P > > > I don't think I'll ever live that one down :) > No, no you won't. And we'll be sure of that! :P keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 12:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76693 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 19:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 19:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 19:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JeEx4-0005qg-JK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: <47E95391.30400@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:33:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> <47E94969.50102@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <47E94969.50102@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9dabdbb49094eac88dbb409d9ab768e887efcc1850ab14a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=uEHkhnHQeQQJwuuyLS_EpmNKgSLKkhezI07B88PFXRTNm4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nathan Brown wrote: > You can make that three, actually. I popped the question a little more > then a month ago (yeah, she actually said yes too). > Guess I should have finished reading through the posts from today before I made my first reply! Sure enough, there's the third one. LOL. So once again, congrats all. And I better settle down and behave before I say something that'll get me in trouble. My kids are watching. Oh, yeah, just wait til that part of life comes along!! :P keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:46:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70565 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 19:46:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 19:46:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.226) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 19:46:50 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c53so2275621wra.20 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:46:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.226.14 with SMTP id y14mr3701041rvg.24.1206474409263; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:46:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.154.1 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803251246i4fd808f9h76c18fbcd90cb5f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:46:49 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47E95391.30400@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47e86330.07045a0a.4cae.69b1@mx.google.com> <47E94969.50102@aol.com> <47E95391.30400@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=XDfMK2bU9Hg6rMf0hXqT0VZuJGNev5s40w1WtGHpT-VVkBYDhA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Grats, Mike. I got your call, but I was sleeping cause I was on crap shift all weekend. I will get back to you once I'm not stuck at the hospital. Everyone already knows I've been engaged for over a year. Our wedding's in November. :) -Josh On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:33 PM, george burnash wrote: > Nathan Brown wrote: > > > You can make that three, actually. I popped the question a little more > > then a month ago (yeah, she actually said yes too). > > > > Guess I should have finished reading through the posts from today before > I made my first reply! Sure enough, there's the third one. LOL. > > So once again, congrats all. And I better settle down and behave before > I say something that'll get me in trouble. My kids are watching. > > Oh, yeah, just wait til that part of life comes along!! :P > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:49:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74067 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 19:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 19:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.231) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 19:48:59 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so2517485wra.13 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.86.14 with SMTP id o14mr3692806rvl.278.1206474538658; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.154.1 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803251248u31a17b25i1a2a0b4b5781a2fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:48:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47E952FF.6030106@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <74b0c9f30803250857j5b99dd9arbf94bc9baaa26b24@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0803250907m40fc334bk2007c0ddda006c8d@mail.gmail.com> <47E952FF.6030106@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=adTM29WCDHml8hN9uLbcMaZCpk_6IMwsVUEyhJFI4DwgBDRqEA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh man, 2 more - Congrats everyone who is now engaged. -Josh On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM, george burnash wrote: > Michael Cowan wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Beth Aslakson > > > wrote: > > > > You misjudge the memories of several of us around here, Brian. I mean, > > > Nate even beat you to the joke :P > > > > > > I don't think I'll ever live that one down :) > > > No, no you won't. And we'll be sure of that! :P > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 13:33:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 452 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 20:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 20:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 20:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 20:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 20:33:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:33:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47E952BD.1060401@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=5v7Bpav2cxjuK53wAdpyv6CsRe9Ob_QwXCvfBVbaSzrZWtFpx5Fn X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 ->=20 > >=20 > > Mike, I know you already called me, but congrats again. I'll bet you > > can't wait for your wedding night. You'll finally get what you've > > been wanting all this time, bouncing up and down on your lap. I'm > > talking full on penetra... Oh wait, I've done this joke before. Too > > bad it never gets old... for me! And too bad George is the only=20 other > > person on here who's gonna get it. >=20 > OK, I may not know people on this board very well, partly because I=20 don't post much...but: A...I'm starting to feel left out! B...The joke referenced above must be before my time here! C...HORSEYPOLE!? Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 13:39:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10850 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 20:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 20:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 20:38:52 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so1865213rvb.1 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:38:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.165.21 with SMTP id n21mr3749918rve.45.1206477531949; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.154.1 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803251338g511cb638i3d35806addd9a732@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:38:51 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47E952BD.1060401@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=wiH5Q7gvOlmwpcFTpZYndnVH96nWT9sBWTggZGrZkKbVYuFD9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Horsey-Pole. A joke in reference to carousels that should not have been said out loud, though it was a younger, dumber, and possibly more intoxicated time. :-D Josh On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > -> > > > > > > Mike, I know you already called me, but congrats again. I'll bet you > > > can't wait for your wedding night. You'll finally get what you've > > > been wanting all this time, bouncing up and down on your lap. I'm > > > talking full on penetra... Oh wait, I've done this joke before. Too > > > bad it never gets old... for me! And too bad George is the only > other > > > person on here who's gonna get it. > > > > > OK, I may not know people on this board very well, partly because I > don't post much...but: > > A...I'm starting to feel left out! > B...The joke referenced above must be before my time here! > C...HORSEYPOLE!? > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 14:00:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6708 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 21:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 21:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 21:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JeGFV-0005Ao-BA for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:00:01 -0400 Message-ID: <47E9670B.3020605@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:56:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <47E952BD.1060401@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0803251338g511cb638i3d35806addd9a732@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0803251338g511cb638i3d35806addd9a732@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9dabdbb49094eacb263b5660069990c20bd269995e7f91c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=qijkWKJXcJ4P-JPX1JH9I5XUJC4v3pq_64mRxxIYxVdqK_Y X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > Yes, Horsey-Pole. A joke in reference to carousels that should not have been > said out loud, though it was a younger, dumber, and possibly more > intoxicated time. > well, yes. The nice version is that Adam is sort of our resident carousel expert/ historian, along with Jay. Whenever questions about carousels came up, Adam was the one with the answers. And several of his TR's centered around the carousels in the parks. What's on most carousels? A horse on a pole. And lets just say that it went on from there... :) keep on ridin' George From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 14:02:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33324 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 21:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 21:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 21:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 21:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 21:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 21:02:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:02:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0803251338g511cb638i3d35806addd9a732@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=bF-YhEDwBeW41EF3eyjkD2Tf3cWselXSHZr8StBwPfrhjz4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Yes, Horsey-Pole. A joke in reference to carousels that should not have been > said out loud, though it was a younger, dumber, and possibly more > intoxicated time. What can I say? Ladies love the horsey-pole. Sometimes it is more of a blessing than a curse (and what George said). Adam From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 14:16:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42519 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 21:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 21:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 21:16:33 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so4411919wxc.23 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.67.21 with SMTP id u21mr3785003rvk.222.1206479792992; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.154.1 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803251416l30270c1vc8f680764fa58c49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:16:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0803251338g511cb638i3d35806addd9a732@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=w1sako0XRBN5rVlV6i3Fwp1JuvZ_AFFZzf9FbnCAs64Jqpoo9A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine doesn't like to go around in circles very much, though I'm sure she'd appreciate grabbing for a brass ring every now and again. I'm making her go on every circular ride at WDW though, I don't care what she says. :) Josh On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Adam Sandy wrote: > What can I say? Ladies love the horsey-pole. Sometimes it is more of > a blessing than a curse (and what George said). > > Adam > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 15:35:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91304 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2008 22:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2008 22:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2008 22:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 22:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 22:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2008 22:35:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:35:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47E9670B.3020605@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=LSIsJe1jI5MKGnW_9zrCPG3ozxatF8rkAe6Q3JIGLtLGwCFsiWMM X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > >=20 > > Yes, Horsey-Pole. A joke in reference to carousels that should=20 not have been > > said out loud, though it was a younger, dumber, and possibly more > > intoxicated time. > >=20 >=20 > well, yes. The nice version is that Adam is sort of our resident=20 > carousel expert/ historian, along with Jay. Whenever questions=20 about=20 > carousels came up, Adam was the one with the answers. And several=20 of=20 > his TR's centered around the carousels in the parks. What's on=20 most=20 > carousels? A horse on a pole. >=20 > And lets just say that it went on from there... :) >=20 > keep on ridin' > George I'll use my imagination from here on out.... Mike > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Mar 25 17:24:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96707 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 00:24:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 00:24:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-17.bluehost.com) (69.89.20.232) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 00:24:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26649 invoked by uid 0); 26 Mar 2008 00:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 00:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JeJQp-0006Pg-Gc for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:23:55 -0600 Message-Id: <00D84452-2038-4735-8559-44E382770DFB@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:23:56 -0400 References: <74b0c9f30803250857j5b99dd9arbf94bc9baaa26b24@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 69.89.20.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I'm engaged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=OmSt98GRXwvkSvcqm0L2M6nqNCkzb3rSBvZlKobFhcJQny4JbVsa X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> You misjudge the memories of several of us around here, Brian. I >> mean, >> Nate even beat you to the joke :P > > I think there are probably several of us who remember it (and thought > of the same thing with Mike's engagement announcement). One of my top > five favorite posts for sure. Hahaha I remember that also. In fact, I even wrote that line into the script for my advanced video short film in college (just realized I never gave anyone credit for it, I suck). Though strangely enough it was one of the less vulgar jokes in the video haha. Anyways, congrats to everyone! Mike IOASpiderman@donkeyentertainment.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 17:38:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43575 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 00:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 00:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 00:38:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73616 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2008 00:38:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _1kZ_qMVM1nI2ze1yk2OWI758S3REt7uqoOEF6q164uTgZWYKH3f5k_NVjHNA1Ce7trZ1r574a.TpBXMNtvQG4rxm26zInfU55WJ6WDCz2uL_6nf4YW0VGsjZ.0eGakBWwcF5KlwIOHodA-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:38:32 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:38:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1206461071.3490.16347.m57@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <649290.71788.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=zq3q0k9rR-o7opFwDJ50jgue-YJJm3St3ep4mbe8NQEHetpiEHwh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It will be hot and sexy like an ACE buffet. < LOL! Maybe you can honeymoon at State Showcase Fun Park. Congrats to both of you guys and your brides to be! Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 17:43:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8819 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 00:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 00:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 00:43:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 339 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2008 00:43:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5DVwO7YVM1n5Hi6Z9VR89kuDoAv3LewY5P.Xwid2 X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:43:50 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:43:50 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1206461071.3490.16347.m57@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <248783.295.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Hypersonic Anniversary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=oc8dnPxdAe7EyBLOACMOSf2NE7WsTn0lO65N7n2PTkfmWZVv8A6A X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > The air tired seemed to work fine when I rode and this was far from being a painful ride. < When I rode it (in its second season) the train shook like it was about to come apart. The launch was okay, sort of like being kicked in the gut. But for the rest of the brief ride it seemed like the train just couldn't find the track, hunting left and right and vibrating up and down. Perhaps the tires have a tight inflation tolerance and were slightly under-inflated. I don't know what was wrong, but I took two rides on it (wondering if the first was just an anomaly) and both were painful. I didn't even realize it was removed. No loss there. And I wasn't aware it was hastily thrown into a smaller site. That certainly might explain some of its quirks. Jay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 07:02:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67995 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 13:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 13:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 13:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 13:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 13:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 13:58:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:58:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland to add 'Alice' to Small World ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8SI6GrN-rBnM0rGpsC3tTTSnkd0AcVW8bKltKTg3A-O3fK0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 25, 2008 Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1552 ANAHEIM, CA -- Disneyland plans to incorporate stylized Disney characters into It's a Small World in keeping with attraction creator Mary Blair's original designs and color palette, Walt Disney Imagineering officials confirmed. Cast your vote: Should Disneyland change It's a Small World or keep it the same? An "Alice in Wonderland" doll wearing a blue dress and a white rabbit in a playing card tunic based on illustrations created by Blair while working on the 1951 animated movie will be added to the England segment of the classic boat ride, officials said. The Alice and rabbit characters will be added near a chessboard and red rose tree already existing in the Small World attraction. Officials confirmed that Alice is one of several Disney characters that will be added to Disneyland's Small World in a controversial plan that has infuriated some purists. Officials have insisted that Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse will not appear in the Anaheim attraction. The major rehab, which has been in the works for 8 years, will "respect and honor the original creative intent" of Blair's iconic work while adding "new richness, excitement and relevance," according to an Imagineering official. The renovated ride will not be a "carbon copy" of the new Small World attraction at Hong Kong Disneyland, officials said. ----------- Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 07:26:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87703 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 14:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 14:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 14:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 14:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 14:23:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:23:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland's Monorail Red puts rumors to rest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zkeJWV_zDYJOPzIBMW2GdJFEoiRCfupzJsfYEemLc-6_ies X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 24, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1547 By Brady MacDonald ANAHEIM, CA -- Disneyland has been conducting regular after-hours tests of Monorail Red, putting to rest persistent Internet chat room rumors that the new Mark VII would have to be sent back to the assembly plant for major modifications. Disney officials said that the new monorail has been cycling around the beamway under its own power and that sending the futuristic bullet-nosed train back to the Vancouver, Canada, assembly plant was "never considered." After the test-and-adjust phase, Monorail Red will undergo state inspections, and Disney employees will be trained in the operation of the 5-car burgundy train before visitors get their first ride. Monorail Blue, still under construction in Canada, is scheduled to arrive at Disneyland between mid-April and early May. The monorail's sleek iconic exterior features color-shifting paint with gray pinstriping that evokes the stainless-steel side panels of the 1959 original designed by Disney Imagineer Bob Gurr. --------- Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 07:49:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12932 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 14:43:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 14:43:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52809.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.252) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 14:43:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63310 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2008 14:43:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Xg_wnkQVM1llP9rSuUPZxeoCZYHLXsCYHaXSasaoke8LfohlRLw6ShMJbfNiiKovh0CHGc5qsisA8LqfAP7wB7PDy2Q1SSm1JgXz3_7ocxd4wDNxoYp4KZyfMZpSTCYKSzyYZyfSvsBfwkOgFusFn5DuMQ-- X-Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web52809.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:43:38 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:43:38 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47E95391.30400@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <34240.62779.qm@web52809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=IGtSWZiZPIDLAvfukYUz3a6TtxCJ0citbex8cI8geUIoSW-M X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- george burnash wrote: > So once again, congrats all. And I better settle > down and behave before > I say something that'll get me in trouble. My kids > are watching. > > Oh, yeah, just wait til that part of life comes > along!! :P Speaking of that, Lady T and I will be receiving a special "Treat" for Halloween this year.... lata, jeremy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 15:13:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96164 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 22:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 22:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 22:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 22:13:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 22:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.167] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 22:13:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 22:13:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 723534.57986.bm@omp502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 90114 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2008 22:13:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CZpbyzwVM1m4w7.appL3eW4WpoxiOvyUNRouDFyxpxiv3DKLKZiHZTDVrR3e610mwZ2acosaFW1ObzRl5YgMYoe1.ixfjNzFiMWz1HFOToS4QhOvit4- X-Received: from [70.126.127.102] by web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:13:46 CDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:13:46 -0500 (CDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <485775.86564.qm@web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: News: About 400 Sick After Water Park Visit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=-BrBWtEHchY_dTwwXJvQtbcj9vf9oOWcvnLGZrHuMGWpiiC0gfTR X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/_a/about-400-sick-after-water-park-visit/20080326091909990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Joe Tampa Bay, FL ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 16:19:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81406 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 23:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 23:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 23:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 23:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 23:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 23:19:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:19:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <485775.86564.qm@web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: News: About 400 Sick After Water Park Visit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=JE1kWaRF5DGqz8fFUabPIvCkiQI9_qcXWA338GwpCm8uvn-LKA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, THUNDER =20 wrote: > > http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/_a/about-400-sick-after-water- park-visit/20080326091909990001?ncid=3DNWS00010000000001 >=20 >=20 > Joe > Tampa Bay, FL Lance has been covering this at Screamscape for a few days now. Every=20 time I see an update there's more and more sick.=20 Who'd have thought that the next Plague would start at a Six Flags? ;) Chris From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Mar 26 16:55:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11397 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 23:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 23:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-147.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 23:55:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21045 invoked by uid 0); 26 Mar 2008 23:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 23:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JefSR-0001Pg-52 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:55:03 -0600 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:55:02 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: About 400 Sick After Water Park Visit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=uLch1cbPDsO1XHH4hcv67PpqJjkTbmH7i-c0quKZfSTVcUZQkARw X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, THUNDER > wrote: >> >> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/_a/about-400-sick-after-water- > park-visit/20080326091909990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 >> >> >> Joe >> Tampa Bay, FL > > Lance has been covering this at Screamscape for a few days now. Every > time I see an update there's more and more sick. > > Who'd have thought that the next Plague would start at a Six Flags? > ;) Hm, thats actually the second time in a couple days I've seen something like this... not at an amusement park, but: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15699282/detail.html Mike IOASpiderman@donkeyentertainment.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 07:40:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53431 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2008 14:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2008 14:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2008 14:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 14:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 14:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 14:40:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:40:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Turner to launch Pogo theme park in India X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=M15h8j4KQwKSuAocSRgjkEX3VXDlVH_nz937iceBS0ASzY0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 03.26.08 Thomson Financial Forbes http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2008/03/26/afx4815002.html MUMBAI, INDIA -- Turner International India Pvt Ltd (TII), an AOL Time Warner company, said it will launch its first theme park in the country before the end of 2008. Monica Tata, TII vice president, advertising sales and network, said the theme park titled 'Pogo Planet' would be an extension of its kids channel brand 'Pogo'. Tata refused to provide financial details. Sources close to the development said Indian construction company Unitech Ltd will design and construct the theme park near New Delhi. ----------- Copyright Thomson Financial News Limited 2008 =A9 2008 Forbes.com LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 07:56:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18576 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2008 14:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2008 14:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2008 14:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 14:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 14:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 14:56:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:56:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Floridaland was the Florida theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=i0Na87kQ3cfUHtqQiv80VB9h0u34isrcSloosXCyd2CHd3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 03/26/08 Sun-Herald http://www.sun-herald.com/Newsstory.cfm?pubdate=3D032608&story=3Dtp9ew16.ht= m&folder=3DNewsArchive2 By Kim Cool OSPREY, FL -- Florida's largest theme park in the 1960s was between Venice and Osprey. Known as Floridaland Park (FLP), the 50-acre park was slightly more than half the size of California's Disneyland (DL), which Walt Disney built on 84 acres of land just 10 years earlier. The theme park was part of a larger 195-acre complex planned by developer Philip C. Smashy of Osprey. Don Jacobs and Jim E. Myers, who had built attractions in Mississippi, helped oversee the 30 construction workers hired to create the park. The full complex would include a hotel, residential area and business center. In those days, admission to DL allowed guests a ticket book, with A-tickets for such minor rides as the Main Street Trolley and E-tickets for the big rides such as the Matterhorn coaster. There were no E-tickets at FLP. Adult admission was $2.50 and it was $1.50 per child. For that price, one got 10 attractions including a Western Ghost Town, complete with saloon; a deer park; Porpoise Pool; Billy Goat Mountain; an Indian village; a Western Ghost Town; botanical garden; Lover's Lane; Dolphin Show; a sternwheeler riverboat; and a train ride that was actually a tram. Adding atmosphere to the site were a Whiskey Still (a non-producing still); Sea Shell Gardens; Boot Hill; and a covered wagon. Several times a day, there would be a gun fight between some bank robbers and the law, and men would fall from the rooftops and die in the street. Digger Young, the local undertaker, would collect the bodies for burial in Boot Hill. Over in the Golden Nugget Saloon, managed by Paul Cockrill, Waldo Emerson, a retired chemist from the Cleveland Twist Drill Company, played the piano as a background for Miss Kitty, the saloon singer, and the saloon's can-can girls. There was no alcohol served in the saloon, nor was there any gambling. There also were a cafe, camera shop, print shop, general store, bank, barber shop and stable, according to an article in the Venice Gondolier Sun published the month before FLP opened. Although Seminoles did not come to the area until the 19th century, the Indian village at FLP featured Seminole history rather than history of the Calusas, who were native to the area. Mabel Emerson worked in the gift shop whenever her husband was working in the saloon. That, too, was what FLP was about. It offered entertainment but it also offered jobs to people in the area. More than 80 people were employed at FLP in its heyday. Retired from Cleveland to Venice Gardens, the Emersons enjoyed their time at the park, meeting people and mingling with visitors. Near the Porpoise Pool was the Sea Lion Pool, where guests could lean over a low stone wall and give fish to the sea lions, which would then clap their flippers in appreciation. The only thing missing at this early theme park was a clear-cut theme. Orlando was still surrounded by the acres of orange groves that provided the name for its surrounding county. FLP, on the other hand, was half-way between Sarasota and Venice, just north of where the Tamiami Trail connecting Tampa and Miami was joined back in 1928. The location was about as good as it could be. The entrance featured colorful tropical birds although there was no actual bird show. Inside the gates there was a western town, not an old Florida town. In the bay, there was a sternwheeler called the Harbour Queen, which hinted at Mark Twain and days on the Mississippi. Opening day was Christmas Day, 1964. In 1967, a 100-room Holiday Inn opened on the property, and things were looking good. During a red tide outbreak in the Gulf of Mexico, FLP's dolphin trainer, Robert Corbin, moved his charges from their tank to the relative safety of the Holiday Inn's swimming pool. Unknown to but a handful of people was a large land deal happening over in the middle of the state. Using multiple companies and many fictitious names to keep the deal a secret, Walt Disney was acquiring some 28,000 acres for what would become the world's largest theme park resort, Walt Disney World (WDW). Coupled with the creation of a Central Florida highway system, the death knell was about to sound for FLP even as the hotel opened its doors. The park also was plagued with problems over the care and treatment of its porpoises and dolphins, which performed daily shows in a small tank surrounded by simple bleacher seats. In addition to jumping high in the air for a fish, one of the porpoises would pull a boat containing a young child around the perimeter of the tank. Star of the show was Moby, a bottle-nosed dolphin that worked with trainer Joyce Simpson. Simpson, who now lives in Georgia, has written two children's books about the marine mammals. On her Web site she said she hopes to one day meet up again with Moby. Because dolphins in the wild leap out of the water as they do in shows, there long have been rumors of FLP dolphins having been let loose in the gulf. That is not the case, but one, Moby, did get out into the Gulf while Simpson was in the hospital. Mote Marine Laboratory experts, who since 1970, have studied some 145 dolphins that seem to reside off Sarasota and Manatee counties, reported the oldest male in the study is now 49 and the oldest female is said to be 58. As Moby went out on its own sometime before the park closed 39 years ago, perhaps Simpson's favorite dolphin is still in the area. The theme park with the ghost town finally gave up the ghost in 1971. At its peak, FLP is said to have drawn as many as 5,000 visitors per day, but urban sprawl, Disney and budgetary problems led to its demise. Possibly the last major influx of money to the ailing park came from the producers of a movie shot there in 1970, featuring the Playboy Magazine's Playmate of the Year for 1970, Claudia Jennings. As FLP closed its doors north of Venice, WDW held its first parade along Main Street in the Magic Kingdom. Thousands of parades later, the WDW Resort has grown exponentially and little but memories remain of FLP. Its site today is known as the community of Southbay. 2 dolphins, Brandy and Lucky, were sent to New Jersey, to star in an attraction at Atlantic City. The disposition of the remaining 9 dolphins is unknown, although it is likely they, too, as well as Floridaland's other animals were sent to other attractions. The Holiday Inn is today known as the Osprey Inn. ------------ =A9 2008 All rights reserved From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 08:04:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84373 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2008 15:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2008 15:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2008 15:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 15:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 15:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 15:02:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:02:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme park set to expand X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pJzDUuIs8PT40c15Z0NhV7Wd0LBVBt6T4GkygHj7HW4giOA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 25, 2008 Express and Star http://www.expressandstar.com/2008/03/25/theme-park-set-to-expand/ DRAYTON BASSETT, STAFFORDSHIRE, UK -- Staffordshire's Drayton Manor Park (DM) is in line for a huge expansion which could include a water theme park and a hotel, it has been revealed. Exciting plans for the future of DM could also see it open all year round. It currently operates between March and November, but tourism bosses aim to make it as economically viable as its rival Alton Towers in North Staffordshire. The vision for the future of DM, which is based near Tamworth, was unveiled by chiefs at nearby Lichfield District Council, who are looking at ways of increasing tourism in the south of the county. More than 60% of people in a public consultation backed the idea for the expansion. But 21% were against the proposals, fearing its transformation could cause major traffic problems around the M42 and surrounding roads. They also said the public transport to the park was insufficient to deal with thousands more visitors. The move would see the park follow in the footsteps of Alton Towers, which opened its Cariba Creek water park in 2005. It is also open all year round and features a heated lagoon, rides, water cannons and a water rollercoaster. Today bosses at DM said they were drawing up plans for the expansion. Spokesman Sundeep Sehijpal said: "DM is working with Lichfield District Council to bring forward the exciting development of a hotel. "It's hoped that the development would begin sometime in 2009. The creation of a water park would follow on from the hotel." Lichfield Council carried out the consultation as part of ongoing work towards creating a Local Development Framework Core Strategy for the district. Earlier this month the park's owners the Bryan family declared a new era for DM when they unveiled its new =A35.5 million Thomas Land =96 the first of its kind in Europe. The attraction boasts 12 rides based on the characters from the much-loved Thomas and Friends series and books. ----------- =A9 2008 Express and Star From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Mar 27 10:21:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5174 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2008 17:21:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2008 17:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2008 17:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 17:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2008 17:21:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:21:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30803251208j529ef043g8f0dae00b68ef365@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: OT: I'm Engaged! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=yQqwN9ZshA_SxApx6IRl7XWeZZZLU-6Bs6Bd_NdsFM3gg9doQg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Let me add my "congratulations" to Mike, Adam, and Nathan! Jon Z (go back, it's a trap!) The First From dowscoggins@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 05:43:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dowscoggins@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67553 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2008 12:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2008 12:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2008 12:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2008 12:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2008 12:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2008 12:43:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:43:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.81.145.214 From: "DowScoggins" Subject: Top Ten Amusements Parks in the World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67176906; y=pfXbl3v0hqbkp0ycKSpSRr59KHV0CNSEyWvt-zHZ2obc7zI7lqs X-Yahoo-Profile: DowScoggins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Disneyland is number 1 in attendence, and according to the Golden Ticket Awards, Cedar Point in Ohio is the beat. Top Ten Amusements Parks in the World Cheers, Dow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From guineapic@yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 08:19:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: guineapic@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61317 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2008 15:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2008 15:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2008 15:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2008 15:15:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2008 15:15:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:15:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.119.145.127 From: "Toni Picariello" Subject: Red Neck Rollercoaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103160671; y=ZhvwGb1Ld2XqQphV1erbK1VM8-DlflHhImoxSE5vs0rESepA X-Yahoo-Profile: guineapic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is funny, but it does look like fun!!! http://www.youtube.com/v/RRuskNIgBoA&hl=en [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nwomills4life@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 06:45:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: nwomills4life@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66084 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 13:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 13:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.185) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 13:45:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95380 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2008 13:45:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NcSKsz4VM1kV6STTviVTi3JgktkIe.v6FF5qnDeQNa5TN.KQs6WtXrxEUEOrV_GtepBVRBaCAg-- X-Received: from [192.245.88.197] by web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:45:13 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:45:13 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <612117.63696.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <169508.95289.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bob Milford Subject: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129760676; y=rta1KexBLr_2mSAIulv8Yj3VUrjCH7lnIGfsg2WP13Z97Yzr4LMDCA X-Yahoo-Profile: nwomills4life Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering what people keep in their fanny pack or backpack at a amusement park? Here is a list of what I keeep in it.... 1. eyeglass restraints 2. sunglasses 3. eyeglass case 4. pack of gum 5. pack of mints 6. park map 7. show listings 8. cell phone 9. Family Radio Serivce Radio 10. credit card/debit card 11. cold hard cash 12. I-Pod (when you go to a park alone just to ride the coasters) 13. Digital Camera 14. Digital Video Recorder 15. flash card for digital camera 16. batteries [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 07:17:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96711 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 14:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 14:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 14:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:17:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:17:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <169508.95289.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=qQf0r9QlWSQNAeZ0-mVzqMl2REnf5dFooKfPE8n34wUTPFxNlnCC X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Too much. For me? Ixnay on the backpack and fanny pack. I have a zippered pouch around my neck and tucked into my t-shirt. It=20 comfortably holds all I need: Car key(off the ring) money Driver's Licence for ID Season Pass (if applicable) It even held my cell phone when I had one. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 07:18:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41439 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 14:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 14:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.146) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 14:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:18:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:18:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <169508.95289.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=D9ZTrVBB2NTzq7LEbReDO351HT3daWsfGkiyR5_Aaai-9pY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I carry a fanny-pack at the Park (I call it my Man Purse - well? What else is it really?). Money Clip (with money -- whenever possible!), change, Chapstick (kiss me once and kiss me twice and kiss me once again...), allergy eye drops, phone, camera, extra batteries, extra flash card, gum, keys (car or hotel), and a wallet (mostly ID & credit cards). -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bob Milford wrote: > > I was wondering what people keep in their fanny pack or backpack at a amusement park? Here is a list of what I keeep in it.... >=20=20=20=20 > 1. eyeglass restraints > 2. sunglasses > 3. eyeglass case > 4. pack of gum > 5. pack of mints > 6. park map > 7. show listings > 8. cell phone > 9. Family Radio Serivce Radio > 10. credit card/debit card > 11. cold hard cash > 12. I-Pod (when you go to a park alone just to ride the coasters) > 13. Digital Camera > 14. Digital Video Recorder > 15. flash card for digital camera > 16. batteries From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 07:24:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18012 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 14:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 14:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 14:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:24:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:24:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Thrilleaders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=MaxR6Gzm2yrVR8Rs0C354albvr3is15W-n4LTn1d2yHbb8c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 28, 2008 Six Flags http://www.sixflags.com/national/footernav/thrilleaders.aspx NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags (6F) is looking for outgoing, talented, dynamic young ladies and young men (18 and older) to be a part of our 2008 6F Thrilleaders professional cheerleading squad, performing at 6F park events, appearances and attractions throughout the 2008 operating season. This is the first time a theme park has ever had a national professional cheerleading squad. 6F is THE first! AUDITIONS: Date: Saturday, April 19, 10 a.m. - 4 p.m. (registration begins promptly at 9 a.m.) Location: Doubletree Hotel in the heart of Times Square You must bring a photo ID, $20 registration fee, resume, headshot and completed application to participate. Please see AUDITION DETAILS http://www.sixflags.com/national/footerNav/thrilleaderauditiondetails.aspx for complete audition information and application materials. For additional information, check our FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: http://www.sixflags.com/national/footerNav/thrilleadersFAQ.aspx -------------- Copyright 2008 Six Flags Theme Parks Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 07:29:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68506 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 14:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 14:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 14:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:29:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:29:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Power surge closes rides at Epcot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ps3BkfgbRlpnk998GiMAYrRR4JUhOxgf66cqoDgfZCEy3Yc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 29, 2008 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-epcot2908mar29,0,185093.story?t= rack=3Drss By Jason Garcia and Sara K. Clarke LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- A circuit breaker tripped at Walt Disney World's Epcot theme park Friday morning, causing parts of the park to lose power and some of the rides to close down temporarily. The entire park experienced a sudden change in voltage -- much like when lights flicker during a thunderstorm -- after the breaker tripped about 11:30 a.m., Disney spokeswoman Kim Prunty said. Power was lost in parts of Future World and at the main gate, though it was restored within the hour. The outage was limited in scope, but the effect was widespread. Many rides stopped because of the surge and had to go through a restarting process. At 1 p.m., attractions such as Spaceship Earth, Journey Into Imagination, Test Track and Mission Space were still listed as "down" on a display board that updates visitors on the status of the park's rides. "Most attractions are back up and running at this time [about 2 p.m.]," Prunty said. Disney did not know what caused the breaker to trip. Tom Connelly, a visitor from New York, said he was waiting for the Living with the Land ride with his family of five when the line stopped moving. They eventually got out of line and went looking for another attraction. "We were walking around from ride to ride," he said. "Everything was closed." Bobbi Baessler, from Chicago, was among the visitors who lined up at guest services to request refunds or tickets allowing them to switch to a different Disney park. "We saw the monorail, and it was stopped," Baessler said. "We were waving to all the people. At least we weren't stuck up there." Baessler said it was her family's last day in Orlando. "So it's not like we can come back tomorrow." Prunty said the park dealt with customers on an individual basis, "working out ways to make sure they have a positive experience." ----------- Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel From lance@screamscape.com Sat Mar 29 07:34:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97949 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 14:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 14:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta18.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 14:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1E340A7D for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.47ec1cec.efd04 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:33:59 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH7lNXXlKMvAIAAAAB,105fbd669a5c1ae8b11c47138d9064eb Message-ID: <1C7480D33A0B40939D9DA48133B3F4AF@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <169508.95289.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <169508.95289.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:34:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=udQeGg2Rdh71FsaYi6Q5F9oEUlMybPtgkQMhxgLz3CrB6s0YVBAPCtTkcg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>I was wondering what people keep in their fanny pack or backpack at a >>amusement park? Wow... that's way too much for me I suppose. I prefer to keep things light I guess. I've pretty much got two or three modes. 1) Ride Mode No pack of any kind... just a good pair of shorts that has nice deep pockes or cargo shorts with extra sealable pockects. Wallet in one front pocket, keys in the other front pocked and cell phone in one of the sealable cargo shorts pockets. Ride away... 1a) Water Ride Mode Same as above, except I'll bring a large ziplock bag and opt to leave the cell phone in the car. Back the wallet and keys tightly and shove into a pocked for the day. Ride away... Finally 2) Photo Mode... Similar to Ride Mode, but I'll take a small camera bag for my: camera, spare memory card and spare battery set, plus there is extra space to put my keys and cell phone there as well, but keep the wallet in the pocket. And that's it... I never take more than that if I can help it. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 07:36:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87141 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 14:36:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 14:36:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 14:36:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:36:18 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:36:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:36:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:36:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: $27.9 million in property taxes would go to Bible Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DSXmZo-GozVbmbmaF_tE5kV1FY3XDN8ieo0AAz0PgMNSG5M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 28, 2008 The Daily News Journal http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080328/NEWS01/80328031 MURFREESBORO, TN -- An independent analysis of the economic impact of the Bible Park USA (BP) shows that $27.9 million in incremental property taxes to be forgone to pay for the park over the course of 22 years. The analysis, completed by Younger Associates for the Rutherford County Industrial Development Board and released today, says the county would receive $122 million in tax revenue during that 22 year agreement. =09 The tax incremental financing (TIF) money would go to pay down a $18 million bond plus interest and insurance. Under a TIF, the local government would authorize the sale of bonds to help pay for a project, and the tax revenues generated as a result of BP would go to pay off the debt. Plans for BP have drawn strong opposition from some neighbors. Developers have said it will be a boon to the local economy. The Rutherford County Industrial Development Board will hold a public hearing and meeting Tuesday on a plan to use TIF to help fund BP. Representatives of Somner Boldin, attorney for the IDB board said they still have not received the BP's economic impact statement, which would include the specifics on what kind of TIF's the park's developers are requesting. Developers are also planning to apply a separate bond to be paid down using a TIF that captures a new privilege tax on ticket sales and possibly from sales tax from an area directly surrounding BP, according to James Weaver, an attorney for the developers. He said the vast majority of that funding will come from the ticket sales tax. ------------------ Copyright =A92008 The Daily News Journal From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 07:43:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71735 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 14:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 14:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 14:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:43:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 14:43:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:43:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Alton Towers New Pirate Hotel Room X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zWN5hXESYAvsfEMBVL78OW2S2cuNtL1zWxL3QUeXBZqlBuA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 29, 2008 The Times http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/travel/where_to_stay/art= icle3634167.ece By Gill Morgan ALTON, STAFFORDSHIRE, UK -- "AHA! Come on in and join the piratical adventures!" The moment our hotel door started talking to us was the moment we knew we'd been well and truly themed. But if you will come to a theme park, there's no point getting sniffy about it. Adventures is probably overstating it, but the new Pirate Room in Splash Landings Hotel at Alton Towers is a brave attempt to capture the imagination of young rollercoaster-loving landlubbers. Clad to every inch of its life in sturdy ship's cabin-style planks, the room is a mixture of Disney roomset and Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen makeover. There is admirable attention to detail: all is heavy draping, dark wood, barrels and treasure troves. When we arrive, after a horrifically gridlocked 6-1/2-hour drive from London, we are not in the best of spirits. But the salty seadog welcome as we open the door makes everyone smile and the children - twins Joe and Flora, in their last few days of being 12 and Molly, 8 - quickly set about discovering the room's other tricks. They get the cut of the pirate room's jib pretty quickly: snug sailor-style bunkbeds (instantly provoking a row as to who is jettisoned to the sofabed), below-deck ships' games of Solitaire, Fox and Goose and Twister in the form of pebbles and painted boards, a riddle hand-painted onto the walls, inviting a treasure hunt around the room, and a mirror that transforms from looking glass to goulish painting. And then there's the loo: we were staying only one night, but possibly the charm would pall of one's every bodily function being greeted by "Weigh anchors! Get your carcases in your seats!" (Our tip for more discreet middle-of-the-night trips: sling a towel over the top of the door to prevent it closing enough to activate the voice.) Still, we were staying only 1 night, so we got ship shape straight away. The kids started work on the riddles for the treasure hunt and within minutes had cracked open the chest and were gorging themselves on the stash of chocolate coins and pirate clobber (thrillingly, you get to take all this home, and the singing sword is rather good). Our son discovered the PlayStation 3 and we resigned ourselves to a night in the rather too-tight bosom of our family. Because this is my only real beef with the pirate room: for something that is meant to be a "special experience", with a premium price over the standard room rate, the space in this family room is just too small. Once the sofabed is up, and the PS3 is in action, it feels pretty claustrophobic. Still, the point of Alton Towers is what you do the next day, and both the waterpark and the rides are brilliant. Staying in the hotel guarantees you an early start without the crowds and the rather more dubious bonus of the evening's entertainment. Some things we loved (the Hawaii 5-O music in the lifts); some things we hated (no proper coffee, anywhere, in the hotel; how is this legal?) In truth, our twins were probably a bit too old for the Pirate Room; at 8, Molly was more its target age group, and she thoroughly enjoyed it. I can't say that any of them found it truly magical or transporting. But it was fun, and when you've opted for a life on the ocean wave, sometimes you just have to go with the flow. NEED TO KNOW A night for 5 in a Pirate Room (sleeping 6) at Splash Landings Hotel in Alton Towers (0871 222 9850, www.altontowers.com) costs from =A3421.50 including breakfast and 2 full days' access to the main theme park and the waterpark. The cost for a family of 4 in a standard room is from =A3247. -------------- =A9 Copyright 2008 Times Newspapers Ltd. From bethtoons@gmail.com Sat Mar 29 07:48:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88243 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 14:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 14:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.226) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 14:48:54 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so466343wra.16 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.99.3 with SMTP id b3mr2338900ybm.179.1206802133702; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30803290748h48cd65b7l8545e1c15193c4fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:48:53 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1C7480D33A0B40939D9DA48133B3F4AF@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <169508.95289.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1C7480D33A0B40939D9DA48133B3F4AF@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=hLiR23cN3yQYQqsMcKD4kt4lrZhUwF9_YCNvmGKUfV9O0A5O X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I go light too.... Super light - cash, CC, season pass/ticket and driver's license in a back pocket. Sunglasses on face, glass strap in a pocket (depending on the park), sunscreen wipes (small, flat, individual use wet-nap type sunscreen, much easier to carry), car key (in pocket or attached to my shoe) and maybe a cell phone. No bags, no truly "loose" articles. When I want to photograph, I add - Small camera bag with camera, spare battery, spare memory card and mini tripod, extra sunscreen wipes. When I know I'll be in line and/or sitting out waiting more often AND I know there are station bins - add a go-knit pouch with yarn and sock in progress. Beth From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Mar 29 10:23:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32898 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 17:23:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 17:23:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 17:23:05 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so757221wfc.19 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.171.6 with SMTP id t6mr2694360wfe.173.1206811385610; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.81.5 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803291023q26bf5308wbbf377a28f3df4a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:23:05 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30803290748h48cd65b7l8545e1c15193c4fe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <169508.95289.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1C7480D33A0B40939D9DA48133B3F4AF@ScreamscapeHP> <74b0c9f30803290748h48cd65b7l8545e1c15193c4fe@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=a41cpvLfgD-mNt3IHev5Zgf3zMFHg37_yfDokjoqpLfu7kpmVA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I bring a bag in it's got: Camera + Battery Grip 4 Batteries 17-35mm f/2.8 Lense 28-70mm f/2.8 Lense 70-300mm f/2.8 Lense External flash for tricky shots. 2 x 2GB CF cards My camera wouldn't stay up on a mini tripod, so I either have to lug my big one around, or hand-hold night shots. :) -Josh On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Beth Aslakson wrote: > I go light too.... > > Super light - cash, CC, season pass/ticket and driver's license in a > back pocket. Sunglasses on face, glass strap in a pocket (depending on > the park), sunscreen wipes (small, flat, individual use wet-nap type > sunscreen, much easier to carry), car key (in pocket or attached to my > shoe) and maybe a cell phone. No bags, no truly "loose" articles. > > When I want to photograph, I add - Small camera bag with camera, spare > battery, spare memory card and mini tripod, extra sunscreen wipes. > > When I know I'll be in line and/or sitting out waiting more often AND > I know there are station bins - add a go-knit pouch with yarn and sock > in progress. > > Beth > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 17:58:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80469 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 00:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 00:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 00:58:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66693 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 00:58:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bWj1cX8VM1k3eM_IuiqSor7D3WHWj.D7EhQT94gBpWSWyCuAQp.Mv0dUskfZXUDLlw-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:58:02 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:58:02 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1206751629.2910.68628.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <148942.64094.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Top Ten Amusements Parks in the World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-JnC8HREwezefO7hGyYasembe_OT7Ee-knAVLYVUieurhF33nSJy X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an odd article. It's basically repeating the Golden Ticket awards (and it's nice to see Knoebel's at number two), but why then do they proceed to list details about the parks with top attendance, which doesn't follow the list of "best parks" they just gave? Jay --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 18:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72038 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 01:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 01:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 01:03:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75686 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 01:03:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GjY1xa0VM1ltI72_8jtt5DaAtG0QkAn_9r0x2XTb8xtFbwGAzTSF0W8fPdcM2MDMEEWcaMS3yTRGgLQ_HR7EEjrjOc9JhPS6GJU- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:03:08 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:03:08 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1206812138.1398.83728.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <456697.73341.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=QgjuZ-ZQVoZQsZacWiT_tXaM3T6IQf-sdunxNW4OjRCCfyg185SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too travel light. I have a small fanny pack. I used to keep my video camera in it. But now I just carry my tiny Nikon digital still camera that has a decent video mode if I really need it. I also carry my keys and wallet, and that's it. I usually save shopping till when we're ready to leave the park. Jay --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Mar 29 18:23:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12901 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 01:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 01:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.175) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 01:23:17 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so955648wfd.2 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr643202wfr.142.1206840197575; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0803291823o30893a50g974f73438998b425@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:23:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <148942.64094.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1206751629.2910.68628.m45@yahoogroups.com> <148942.64094.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Top Ten Amusements Parks in the World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=CEG6NNPgylJjE5rfBoRxodzNAeC0whWZNHBU0k6OAm3zbn49Rg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because, there's a difference between "top rated" and "most attended". Sometimes it's nice to compare. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > This is an odd article. It's basically repeating the Golden Ticket > awards (and it's nice to see Knoebel's at number two), but why then do they > proceed to list details about the parks with top attendance, which doesn't > follow the list of "best parks" they just gave? > > Jay > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gredingfamily@gmail.com Sun Mar 30 02:12:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gredingfamily@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52189 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 09:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 09:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 09:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 09:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 09:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 09:12:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:12:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <169508.95289.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 210.21.232.237 From: "Tom G." Subject: Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=290477880; y=132L7p0dk90BdqHWdj1g-iLkjrmWX1OESQHZUlGLXIBqsw X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bob Milford=20 wrote: > > I was wondering what people keep in their fanny pack or backpack at=20 a amusement park? Here is a list of what I keeep in it.... >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20 I believe my trips to the amusement park are to the other extreme...=20=20 Double baby stroller for the 3 year-old twins, baby backpack for the=20 baby, backpack cooler full of sippy cups, extra bottles of milk,=20 yogurt, granola bars, fruit snacks, etc. Extra clothes for the=20 little ones (prone to vomiting on long car rides to the park), and=20 for the older ones (prone to playing in water fountains and getting=20 wet). Diaper bag full of diapers, wipes, burp rags, toys, extra=20 clothes (for poopy blow-outs), etc. Food for everyone. Umbrellas if=20 the weather calls for it. Large camera case for my wife's large=20 camera. Sunscreen. Hats. Sunglasses, wallet and purse. Sometimes=20 it feels like I need pack mule to haul it all around. Just wait=20 until you guys have kids... Still worth it though, even if you do=20 need a moving van to get to the park! -tom. From paul.beesley@mac.com Sun Mar 30 02:40:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: paul.beesley@mac.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58188 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 09:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 09:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.77) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 09:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp010-s [10.150.69.73]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout014/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m2U9e2fS021488 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.100] (cpc2-runc3-0-0-cust721.bagu.cable.ntl.com [86.4.90.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp010/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m2U9dwaA018299 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <7D73FE0C-22D5-4970-A514-8DB0FACD9906@mac.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:40:15 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 17.148.16.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Paul Beesley Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=329007503; y=cMEBeIGIwlA4FHP07rp5_DILGB2pyVtRS6JJiXQwT6StI2XXCg X-Yahoo-Profile: ridemadcom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great post Tom ;-), i remember it well. luckily my kids are past that age now 7 and 11. One thing we do need when visiting UK parks is a rain jacket. Forget cameras, phones, spare memory as long as you have a rain jacket you will be ok. Cheers Paul For me its normally Camera bag and lens, mobile phonej On 30 Mar 2008, at 10:12, Tom G. wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bob Milford > wrote: > > > > I was wondering what people keep in their fanny pack or backpack at > a amusement park? Here is a list of what I keeep in it.... > > > > > > I believe my trips to the amusement park are to the other extreme... > Double baby stroller for the 3 year-old twins, baby backpack for the > baby, backpack cooler full of sippy cups, extra bottles of milk, > yogurt, granola bars, fruit snacks, etc. Extra clothes for the > little ones (prone to vomiting on long car rides to the park), and > for the older ones (prone to playing in water fountains and getting > wet). Diaper bag full of diapers, wipes, burp rags, toys, extra > clothes (for poopy blow-outs), etc. Food for everyone. Umbrellas if > the weather calls for it. Large camera case for my wife's large > camera. Sunscreen. Hats. Sunglasses, wallet and purse. Sometimes > it feels like I need pack mule to haul it all around. Just wait > until you guys have kids... Still worth it though, even if you do > need a moving van to get to the park! > > -tom. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 08:17:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65797 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 15:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 15:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.164) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 15:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:17:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:17:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MICS: Working at Cliff's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5ksOR-WRzYq9GfriH4ooidXuN6lA1TstcyeUQWU7UNWvi9I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Well, I thought I should update everyone regarding my first job at an Amusement Park. BACK GROUND INFO: For those of you who don't know me I'm 44, semi-retired living in Albuquerque, NM. I've been a CAD Drafter for 25 years. So, for me this is a great departure in employment. HIRING: As soon as I saw the "Big" Parks putting out notices about hiring, I put in my application. I received a call and went in for an "interview" on February 25th. I interviewed with Toby. On his shirt it said "supervisor". I get a kick out of this because he's maybe all of 22 y.o. AND, this is only his second season. So, I think advancement within the company is probably rather easy. The Interview lasted about 15 minutes, and I got the Job -- as a Ride Operator ... in ... Kiddieland! I'll talk about "Orientation" tomorrow. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 08:24:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45457 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 15:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 15:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 15:24:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:24:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:24:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YDziwi0ofM8Qj3IrFt1EG_1qASG8JuxvjfjJkuKaeByRToY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 29, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-smallworld29mar29,0,1799477.story By Kimi Yoshino ANAHEIM, CA -- Disneyland's "Small World" will soon be getting a little more crowded. The Anaheim amusement park is planning to add iconic Disney characters to the anonymous international cast of the beloved 'round-the-globe boat ride. The idea has sparked outrage among the family of the attraction's original designer and prompted a preservation campaign for the ride, which opened in 1966 and closed for renovations in January. =20 Walt Disney Co. isn't saying how many familiar characters will appear in the revamped ride or how prominent they will be. But relatives of artist and ride designer Mary Blair sent a blistering letter to Disney executives last week, berating what they called an "idiotic plan" that "represents a gross desecration of the ride's original theme." "The ride itself is a classic ride," said Kevin Blair, the designer's son. "They should leave the ride the way it was with the children of the world and leave all the Disney characters out. It just bastardizes the whole ride." Walt Disney Imagineering spokeswoman Marilyn Waters said a number of familiar characters would appear in "stylized" form in the overhauled ride and placed into appropriate countries. Mickey and Minnie Mouse are not part of the plan, she said. The changes carry on Disney's tradition of "plussing" attractions, Waters said, and help enrich the storytelling and keep the experience relevant for future generations. "No one approaches our classic attractions with more reverence than Disney Imagineers, who take great care when refreshing beloved attractions," Waters said, adding that the original intent and celebration of children will be "retained and strengthened." Some fans of the original ride, however, fear the changes are a crass attempt by Disney to make the attraction more commercial and sell more plush toys, dolls and other products. Many are posting plots and pleas on savethe smallworld.com and other Disney-related sites. "I'll sign any petition, wear any T-shirt or handcuff myself in a human chain to 'It's a Small World' in protest," wrote one fan. Another penned new lyrics to the ride's iconic song: It's a world of franchise, it's a world of fun Piles of plush mean profit for everyone Wonder, Magic of Dream, in our marketing scheme, it's a mall world after all. The criticism comes as Disney prepares to open its newest version of "It's a Small World" at Hong Kong Disneyland. 38 recognizable characters, old and new, will appear in the attraction: Aladdin and Jasmine, from the movie "Aladdin," will be in the Middle East; Woody and Jessie from "Toy Story" can be spotted in an expanded America section with the Golden Gate Bridge and Empire State Building. The song has also been modified, adding "familiar Disney melodies," Waters said. The changes that will be made to the Anaheim ride won't mirror those in the one in Hong Kong, Waters said. Ken Bruce, a former employee of Pixar Animation Studios, which Disney now owns, maintains a blog "for Imagineering and animation professionals to critique the current state of Disney theme parks." He said the "It's a Small World" overhaul has sparked fierce debate about change and creativity. Most of the people contributing to his site want "Small World" kept in its original form. "It's job No.1 right now as far as we're concerned," Bruce said. "It's a Small World" is a "very cogent, carefully thought-out piece of thematic storytelling," Bruce added. "To think that Disney characters are going to invade the place and take away from the rightful stars -- the children of the world -- is really scary for us. It's Disney turning their backs on one of the classics and turning it into another marketing scheme." Still, for all the outcry, Disney has successfully refurbished other attractions, including "Pirates of the Caribbean." Last summer, the Anaheim park added several lifelike animatronic Capt. Jack Sparrows -- played by Johnny Depp in the movies -- prompting complaints from purists. But after the updated attraction opened, many fans grudgingly acknowledged that the lovable troublemaker had been seamlessly introduced and that the additions may make the ride more appealing to young park-goers who had seen the movies. Of course, some park-goers who find "It's a Small World" dull and its song saccharinely repetitive and cloying say Disney can't do enough to change the attraction, which will reopen in November. "What is the big deal?" one Disneyland fan wrote on Bruce's website. "The ride is old, sad and boring. "Disney: Tear the thing down and put in something more interesting please!" ------------ Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 08:42:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49833 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 15:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 15:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 15:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 15:42:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:42:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Toy Story Mania! is addictive fun for everyone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=M6XIUrutjb3rQ01imqpGwkzUT9fd89ngvb-O9kBPR4V2JXw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 30, 2008 The Morning Call http://www.mcall.com/travel/all-f5_kids.6327417mar30,0,7390425.story By Eileen Ogintz GLANDALE, CA -- The next time the kids balk at doing their math or science homework, tell them about Chrissie, Kevin, Marc, Dustin and Steph. They are Imagineers. That means they spend their workdays (and probably a lot of work nights) dreaming up and ultimately implementing new attractions for Disney parks and resorts around the world. There are about 1,000 Imagineers, 750 of whom work in Glendale, CA, in an office building (once a cosmetics factory) that has tighter security than many government buildings. They are computer scientists and engineers, architects and graphic designers, programmers, special-effects designers and more -- representing 140 disciplines. Those who work in the Blue Sky Studio are charged with coming up with Disney magic we might not see for 10 years. I got a rare behind-the-scenes look at Walt Disney Imagineering recently when I met Imagineers Chrissie Allen, Kevin Rafferty, Marc Mine, Dustin Barnard and Estafania Pickens who are working on Disney's latest 4-D attraction, Toy Story Mania! (TSM!), which they're convinced will raise the bar for interactive ride-game attractions. Set to debut in May at Hollywood Studios (recently renamed from MGM at Walt Disney World [WDW]) and a few weeks later at California Adventure (DCA)in California, TSM! will be the first new attraction in Disney history to open the same time on both coasts. Everyone should love their jobs as much as Imagineers working on TSM! seem to. "We have a lot of fun," acknowledges Pickens, just a couple of years out of graduate school. "I'm lucky." Clearly. Part of Pickens' job has been to "play test" this latest attraction on area families in the bare bones test lab across the street from Imagineering headquarters, and to play the game herself over and over again, as the team works the kinks out. That's no easy task considering all the computers -- they take up nearly an entire room -- the attraction requires. But no matter how high-tech the result, "It all starts with an idea," explains Rafferty, who has been an Imagineer for decades. He and colleague Robert Coltrin came up with the TSM! concept while strolling the Paradise Pier Midway area of DCA, which is about 35 miles from their Glendale offices. The backstory: Andy (the character from "Toy Story" whose toys come to life) gets a carnival playset for his birthday. While he's out to dinner, his toys -- familiar to kids from the "Toy Story" movies -- come to life and set up the midway. (A 5'-tall Audio-Animatronics Mr. Potato Head is the carnival barker encouraging us to come play the games. The kids will love that he tells jokes and can interact with them. It really is pretty amazing.) Donning 3-D glasses and taking our seats in the carnival tram, we are "shrunk" to the size of a toy, as the vehicle begins to spin us around as we play the games, aiming for the 3-D animated targets using "spring-action" shooters. We hit water balloons and plates, put rings around aliens, toss pies and get hit by water. Even a 2-y.o. can play. (There is no height requirement and this attraction shouldn't scare anyone. It's too much fun!) Each time you play, the experience is different. There are "surprises" in each of the scenes. The idea was such a winner, Rafferty said, that it was green-lighted in record time, about 6 weeks. That was more than 3 years ago. Some projects take a lot longer. Remind the kids next time someone knocks down one of their ideas that the Imagineers come up with thousands of ideas for every 1 that works. The first Imagineers were chosen from Disney Studios to bring Disneyland to reality in the early '50s and they've been at it ever since, pushing the creative and technological envelope. Imagineers figured out how to get Crush, the popular turtle from "Finding Nemo," to interact with audiences and conceived the 20'-tall Audio-Animatronics Himalayan Yeti for Expedition Everest at WDW (They even went to Nepal to soak up the atmosphere.) They've developed everything from the first computer-controlled thrill ride (Space Mountain in 1975) to the newest TSM! In the process, they hold more than 100 patents for special effects, interactive technology, fiber optics and more. At the same time TSM! is being readied to open, characters from "Toy Story" and 11 other Pixar movies such as "Finding Nemo," "Cars," "Ratatouille" and "A Bug's Life" are the stars of a new interactive parade at DCA with floats up to 2 stories high. (The "Bug's Life" float is 45'-long!) The kids watching it the day it premiered in mid-March were clearly enthralled, especially by the water effects, the acrobats and the giant "chefs" on stilts. (Those 1,000 hours of rehearsal clearly paid off.) Watching their excitement, I wondered if this generation identifies more with Nemo the clown fish, Woody the toy cowboy, Remy the rat who wants to be a chef and the other Pixar characters than they do with Mickey, Minnie and Goofy. Anticipating audience appeal -- often years ahead of time -- is an Imagineer's job. If you've got any budding Imagineers in your house, consider bringing them to New York for the first World Science Festival (www.worldsciencefest.org) May 28 through June 1. The idea is to bring together world-class scientists, creative artists, filmmakers and performers whose work is inspired by scientific discovery. Several NY City museums and universities, including Columbia and the City University of NY, are among the sponsors, as is Walt Disney Imagineering, which will present a special "Science of Imagination" program for kids during which Disney scientists and engineers will demonstrate how science and engineering are integral to "the magic" we see at Disney theme parks. The kids will never look at a roller coaster or a 3-D movie the same way again. One warning about TSM! This attraction can be addictive -- even for grown-ups. See you on the Magical Midway! ---------- Copyright =A9 2008, The Morning Call From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 13:45:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66440 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 20:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 20:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71918 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s1KBBz8VM1lu2MMrwHAJDTJooiVkZ.YbK9p1HMmoIsjfuh._Uv2loZ_1Pn6ksuMskMT0pC3YhgFNUV2aWHvoYStzAC8_EClp77.30wZLeSnpRA_LBUM- X-Received: from [172.139.103.43] by web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:45:48 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:45:48 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <289104.70575.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=si2ticC2xCseAHSqqgAzIzEMMiQGxQZemyQKukoBAQq10xmhX1s X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a comment. I can understand why the designer of the ride might be upset by it being rethemed. But, I have been on the small world ride, and, I don't see what the big deal is. After all, it is just a very boring ride, with a bunch of dolls dancing and singing to the same song over and over again. What is so wrong about having a few cartoon charactors mixed in with them. The dolls are not real people, and in todays world, do not truly represent the cultures of the world they are trying to portray. If anything adding the charactors to the ride, will further draw kids attention to what is going on with the ride. And allow parents to explain the different cultures if kids ask. And, I think it will spark an interest in those cultures more than what it did before. Tell the truth, did anyone think about or care about this ride before the changes were announced? No. It would still be the same boring ride it has been for the last however many years, and nobody would give a flying leap about it. At least not the general public. I think disney is genious, for trying to add new life to what would probably be torn down. I think the general public will love the new change, and I know that millions of kids will enjoy it as well. So what's the big deal. Now, if they were to tear down cinderellas castle to put in an ultramodern starbucks. That I would have a problem with. People have to remember that it's just a theme park, not a historical monument. Disney should be able to do what they want with it. It could be worse. Disneyland could be torn down and turned into another megamall. Alan wrote: March 29, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-smallworld29mar29,0,1799477.story By Kimi Yoshino ANAHEIM, CA -- Disneyland's "Small World" will soon be getting a little more crowded. The Anaheim amusement park is planning to add iconic Disney characters to the anonymous international cast of the beloved 'round-the-globe boat ride. The idea has sparked outrage among the family of the attraction's original designer and prompted a preservation campaign for the ride, which opened in 1966 and closed for renovations in January. Walt Disney Co. isn't saying how many familiar characters will appear in the revamped ride or how prominent they will be. But relatives of artist and ride designer Mary Blair sent a blistering letter to Disney executives last week, berating what they called an "idiotic plan" that "represents a gross desecration of the ride's original theme." "The ride itself is a classic ride," said Kevin Blair, the designer's son. "They should leave the ride the way it was with the children of the world and leave all the Disney characters out. It just bastardizes the whole ride." Walt Disney Imagineering spokeswoman Marilyn Waters said a number of familiar characters would appear in "stylized" form in the overhauled ride and placed into appropriate countries. Mickey and Minnie Mouse are not part of the plan, she said. The changes carry on Disney's tradition of "plussing" attractions, Waters said, and help enrich the storytelling and keep the experience relevant for future generations. "No one approaches our classic attractions with more reverence than Disney Imagineers, who take great care when refreshing beloved attractions," Waters said, adding that the original intent and celebration of children will be "retained and strengthened." Some fans of the original ride, however, fear the changes are a crass attempt by Disney to make the attraction more commercial and sell more plush toys, dolls and other products. Many are posting plots and pleas on savethe smallworld.com and other Disney-related sites. "I'll sign any petition, wear any T-shirt or handcuff myself in a human chain to 'It's a Small World' in protest," wrote one fan. Another penned new lyrics to the ride's iconic song: It's a world of franchise, it's a world of fun Piles of plush mean profit for everyone Wonder, Magic of Dream, in our marketing scheme, it's a mall world after all. The criticism comes as Disney prepares to open its newest version of "It's a Small World" at Hong Kong Disneyland. 38 recognizable characters, old and new, will appear in the attraction: Aladdin and Jasmine, from the movie "Aladdin," will be in the Middle East; Woody and Jessie from "Toy Story" can be spotted in an expanded America section with the Golden Gate Bridge and Empire State Building. The song has also been modified, adding "familiar Disney melodies," Waters said. The changes that will be made to the Anaheim ride won't mirror those in the one in Hong Kong, Waters said. Ken Bruce, a former employee of Pixar Animation Studios, which Disney now owns, maintains a blog "for Imagineering and animation professionals to critique the current state of Disney theme parks." He said the "It's a Small World" overhaul has sparked fierce debate about change and creativity. Most of the people contributing to his site want "Small World" kept in its original form. "It's job No.1 right now as far as we're concerned," Bruce said. "It's a Small World" is a "very cogent, carefully thought-out piece of thematic storytelling," Bruce added. "To think that Disney characters are going to invade the place and take away from the rightful stars -- the children of the world -- is really scary for us. It's Disney turning their backs on one of the classics and turning it into another marketing scheme." Still, for all the outcry, Disney has successfully refurbished other attractions, including "Pirates of the Caribbean." Last summer, the Anaheim park added several lifelike animatronic Capt. Jack Sparrows -- played by Johnny Depp in the movies -- prompting complaints from purists. But after the updated attraction opened, many fans grudgingly acknowledged that the lovable troublemaker had been seamlessly introduced and that the additions may make the ride more appealing to young park-goers who had seen the movies. Of course, some park-goers who find "It's a Small World" dull and its song saccharinely repetitive and cloying say Disney can't do enough to change the attraction, which will reopen in November. "What is the big deal?" one Disneyland fan wrote on Bruce's website. "The ride is old, sad and boring. "Disney: Tear the thing down and put in something more interesting please!" ------------ Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From buzzgok@verizon.net Sun Mar 30 16:13:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: buzzgok@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90158 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 23:13:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 23:13:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84313.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.74.192) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 23:13:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42124 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 23:13:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7WUG6kYVM1npExgs2qGvYpPNCIYpakswD6C5xIvBMSUP4sdMeuPFjcMfsgZ64oWJdCtw.S6YEQry18LVwSS3FFLX9et7Tm8SkrDp2kBoUuJe_fIvfLr5kD2OYs6ETsEvvsF2IvNc57m3eTo- X-Received: from [76.98.49.220] by web84313.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:13:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:13:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <237307.41973.qm@web84313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.74.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: SCOTT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MICS: Working at Cliff's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=275879843; y=nV-gWwUc5XaNE5Q8-_Mvf1WoiaHY3DhBNXwQhyAIwyGjyP1qykA10bQddQ8mTg X-Yahoo-Profile: westshore82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, When I did rides in a local amusement park, the kids were not so bad, it was the parents you had to watch out for. TEC #3802 ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:17:20 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MICS: Working at Cliff's Well, I thought I should update everyone regarding my first job at an Amusement Park. BACK GROUND INFO: For those of you who don't know me I'm 44, semi-retired living in Albuquerque, NM. I've been a CAD Drafter for 25 years. So, for me this is a great departure in employment. HIRING: As soon as I saw the "Big" Parks putting out notices about hiring, I put in my application. I received a call and went in for an "interview" on February 25th. I interviewed with Toby. On his shirt it said "supervisor" . I get a kick out of this because he's maybe all of 22 y.o. AND, this is only his second season. So, I think advancement within the company is probably rather easy. The Interview lasted about 15 minutes, and I got the Job -- as a Ride Operator ... in ... Kiddieland! I'll talk about "Orientation" tomorrow. -Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 16:18:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15036 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 23:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 23:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 23:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n10.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 23:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 23:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 23:18:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:18:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=UWY6xCe8ILALV4eFyVebHMphaS6k0CusmdU8GuDMmMtk_vnGJg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bob Milford=20 > wrote: > > > > I was wondering what people keep in their fanny pack or backpack at=20 > a amusement park? Here is a list of what I keeep in it.... I'm ultra-light. No backpack or fannypack, excepting when travelling in=20 other countries by train. Then the backpack goes into the first locker=20 I find.=20 Otherwise, my camera is small enough to fit in a pocket of my cargo=20 shorts. (Or even jeans, actually.) I have my wallet, cash and keys in=20 pockets that can be secured. And that's it.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 16:27:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89195 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 23:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:27:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MICS: Working at Cliff's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=8Q2kexdt7DuXcrykASGCaWSe2s13jHkM6kT8DLetTbuqyDPUgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Well, I thought I should update everyone regarding my first job at=20 an > Amusement Park. >=20 > BACK GROUND INFO: For those of you who don't know me I'm 44, > semi-retired living in Albuquerque, NM. I've been a CAD Drafter for=20 25 > years. So, for me this is a great departure in employment. >=20 > HIRING: As soon as I saw the "Big" Parks putting out notices about > hiring, I put in my application. I received a call and went in for=20 an > "interview" on February 25th. >=20 > I interviewed with Toby. On his shirt it said "supervisor". I get a > kick out of this because he's maybe all of 22 y.o. AND, this is only > his second season. So, I think advancement within the company is > probably rather easy. >=20 > The Interview lasted about 15 minutes, and I got the Job -- as a=20 Ride > Operator ... in ... Kiddieland! >=20 > I'll talk about "Orientation" tomorrow. >=20 > -Alan Funny, my interview at 6F was with someone at least 10 years younger=20 than me, too. (I'm 35) Enjoy! Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 16:27:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30961 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 23:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2008 23:27:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:27:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MICS: Working at Cliff's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=XvSQWgGx0zmZb8-DsISLjLNkVxFUi-1TqTgCe22ploT3JNNDcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Well, I thought I should update everyone regarding my first job at=20 an > Amusement Park. >=20 > BACK GROUND INFO: For those of you who don't know me I'm 44, > semi-retired living in Albuquerque, NM. I've been a CAD Drafter for=20 25 > years. So, for me this is a great departure in employment. >=20 > HIRING: As soon as I saw the "Big" Parks putting out notices about > hiring, I put in my application. I received a call and went in for=20 an > "interview" on February 25th. >=20 > I interviewed with Toby. On his shirt it said "supervisor". I get a > kick out of this because he's maybe all of 22 y.o. AND, this is only > his second season. So, I think advancement within the company is > probably rather easy. >=20 > The Interview lasted about 15 minutes, and I got the Job -- as a=20 Ride > Operator ... in ... Kiddieland! >=20 > I'll talk about "Orientation" tomorrow. >=20 > -Alan Funny, my interview at 6F was with someone at least 10 years younger=20 than me, too. (I'm 35) Enjoy! Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 16:53:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67469 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 23:53:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 23:53:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 23:53:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22667 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 23:53:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xlUwX9oVM1lqlvX34SeRLEonQdQkbuLZIw1akeS7aaiBGPVOUuZYc5O5HJ29r3w9Mu3qZvSsYYmDhZSv0SEE3Jj9yUe2LeKWUg2ps11OIDs.VUtAXsV8oMPAg1vqLg-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:53:10 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1206900662.3290.17466.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <170261.17861.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VRzsGAa3DLCE-ijSaTbHqN_v2ya-flgY7-W9K8hPjejPdr2Hqul_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Wonder, Magic of Dream, in our marketing scheme, it's a mall world after all. < LOL! > Still, for all the outcry, Disney has successfully refurbished other attractions, including "Pirates of the Caribbean." < Yes, but that's a completely different beast. PotC was designed as a silly, cartoonish pirate tale. IaSW was designed to increase global awareness and diversity. It had a more humanitarian goal. Now its meaning is being cheapened. There used to be a sort of ethic in business, a view that something should be done for the public good every now and then, whether it was placing sculptures in buildings or creating public parks. Small World (originally designed for the World's Fair) not only showcased Disney's technical skill at the time but also attempted to bring a hopeful message to people (much like many of his original movies did). It wasn't always about selling product. Jay --------------------------------- No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 16:55:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26736 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 23:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 23:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 23:55:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58029 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 23:55:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .HJLL6kVM1mUp9BgQL_lp3eD6d9S_EdmzAcmcjHF_jWKDwZSAsnL90Z4ZrDSjtqTQY2GK37eVqbMks8sNuEshxkAN2oIAIcy4aA4XHXYj0xXIzf_McSQQRgdqbMCBg-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:55:28 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:55:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <264552.57507.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Six Flags New England inches forward X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=hDmNI0Q4yT8ItGNEzNO1Zb7CuPEVeI0skBE99iWE7tsJto9hHprQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The bickering has briefly ceased and the paperwork continues: Jay --------------------------------- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sun Mar 30 18:16:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11920 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 01:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 01:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta13.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 01:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta13.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8043641547 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47ec1d96.144bed for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:16:43 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH8Dt7698m5gIAAAAB,928010a6cc6fd46bd5aa04ba8597542c Message-ID: <3EC5C59E86E448A3A12E10C630D6C5EC@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <170261.17861.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <170261.17861.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:16:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=WGr7jkUb0KQ4rBf8BT3cGBW90QP6qD5M2SqEi21SqjpP6us8fJHL_6wSnw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Still, for all the outcry, Disney has successfully refurbished other attractions, including "Pirates of the Caribbean." < Yes, but that's a completely different beast. PotC was designed as a silly, cartoonish pirate tale. IaSW was designed to increase global awareness and diversity. It had a more humanitarian goal. Now its meaning is being cheapened. I think your reading too much into it all. Pirates is far more 'serious' to me than a silly cartoonish pirate tale... though it does have plenty of silly momnets. Meanwhile Small World is far more cartoony and silly with a kind of minimalist look to the doll figures in each country that is lacking in detail department. While there may have been a goal behind the ride's design when it was created for the worlds fair, I don't think adding a few Disney characters to the mix is cheapening the message in any way, especially since they seem to only want to add characters into the scenes and countries of their origin, where it would make sense to place them. http://www.screamscape.com/html/hkdl_-_small_world_3.htm Also... if you take a look at the photo I posted to Screamscape showing off just how they've added Lilo & Stitch to the South Pacific / Hawaii scene in the Hong Kong version, you'll see that they aren't just adding in the characers with their origional animated style, but rather redesigning their look to have the same "Blair" style as the rest of the characters in Small World. Done this way for everyone who has already experienced Small World more times than they care to count, this would made the ride very popular once again (much like the Holiday makeover) and create a new little game as guests can try to spot the new characters. So far Disney has done a great job adding new characters and making seasonal theme changes to older attractions, even if just seasonally, to make them popular again. Small World Holiday, the new version of Pirates, Haunted Mansion Holiday and even the Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management in WDW all are great updates. With something as simple as Small World to work with... an attraction that is often viewed as boring by the general public, where half of them ride it just to be able to sit down and rest for 15-18 minutes in the AC... I'm amazed at the fuss. From guineapic@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 19:24:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: guineapic@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55262 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 02:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 02:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 02:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 02:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 02:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 02:23:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:23:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.119.145.127 From: "Toni Picariello" Subject: Want A Roller Coaster? Here's How (from WHIO News Talk Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103160671; y=oVIw9GAPjury4zAsZEk0DAXCIAabOVcw2woeeXoLP1QnAFwj X-Yahoo-Profile: guineapic Want A Roller Coaster? Here's How=20 03/26/2008 07:08:15 AURORA, Ohio (AP) -- If someone doesn't step in and buy three wooden=20 roller coasters, their owner says they'll be heading to the auction=20 lot. Cedar Fair officials say three main coasters from the Geauga Lake=20 park haven't yet found buyers. The Big Dipper, Villain and Raging=20 Wolf Bobs are bound for a Michigan auction house on June 17th and=20 18th if no one steps forward. Cedar Fair officials say three main coasters from the Geauga Lake=20 park haven't yet found buyers. The Big Dipper, Villain and Raging=20 Wolf Bobs are bound for a Michigan auction house on June 17th and=20 18th if no one steps forward. Orlando, Fla.-based vendor Martin and Vleminckx Rides has been trying=20 to sell the coasters since November. Partner Chuck Bingham says it's=20 tough to find a buyer who has the money, the land and the need for=20 the wooden coasters. Cedar Fair is using Geauga Lake only for its water park starting this=20 year. Officials have moved many of the other rides to its other=20 parks, including flagship Cedar Point. (Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) APTV-03-26-08 0131EDT http://1290whio.com/includes/news/indepth/5279860_Want_a_Roller_Coaste r_-_Here_s_How_070816.html=20 From guineapic@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 19:27:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: guineapic@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44500 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 02:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 02:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 02:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 02:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 02:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 02:27:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:27:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.119.145.127 From: "Toni Picariello" Subject: Dispute delays opening of Six Flags ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103160671; y=SgpImqtvoVePMZ6kfajqxcpRArT14m2ygUAUUtbbYGKFcNUM X-Yahoo-Profile: guineapic Dispute delays opening of Six Flags ride by The Republican Newsroom=20 Saturday March 29, 2008, 4:00 PM By DAVID BERGENGREN=20 dbergengren@repub.com=20 AGAWAM - Tensions between city permitting officials and Six Flags New=20 England - punctuated by a stop-work order issued on the amusement=20 park's $7.5 million indoor roller coaster project last month - appear=20 to have eased in recent weeks.=20 Three weeks ago, park president Larry D. Litton, faced with having to=20 seek a new set of permits after several changes were made to the=20 plans previously approved by city boards, said, "We're still hoping=20 to open by Memorial Day weekend, but the town of Agawam is sure=20 making it difficult to do that."=20 Now, Litton says, a Memorial Day weekend opening is no longer=20 realistic.=20 "The best-case scenario, we're hoping that we're building again by=20 the 10th or 11th of April," said Litton, "We're going to get it open=20 as early as we possibly can."=20 The amusement park is scheduled to open for the season April 12.=20 Faced with time constraints that include a tie-in with this summer's=20 opening of the Batman movie "The Dark Knight," Six Flags may have=20 jumped the gun a bit on building its "Dark Knight Coaster" ride,=20 Litton conceded.=20 "We did start construction before we had all the construction=20 permits," he said. "We did not expect the uproar this has caused."=20 Building Inspector Dominic Urbinati issued a stop-work order on Feb.=20 20, saying Six Flags had begun significant construction without a=20 building permit.=20 Without the proper construction documents, Urbinati said, there was=20 no way he could ensure the project met state building and safety=20 codes.=20 Three weeks ago, Litton said of Six Flags and the City of=20 Agawam, "It's not an ideal working relationship right now," but last=20 week he amended that, saying, "I'm feeling a lot better about it."=20 "A lot of it was misinformation and miscommunication," he said. "I=20 think it just took getting people to the table, and explaining what=20 we did and why we did it (and) why we were not happy with the way=20 things were originally handled."=20 Litton credited Mayor Susan R. Dawson, state Rep. Rosemary Sandlin, D- Agawam, state Sen. Stephen J. Buoniconti, D-West Springfield, and the=20 City Council, among others, for helping turn the situation around.=20 Of Dawson, he said, "She has done all she can do to expedite the=20 process."=20 Dawson complimented Litton in return and said, "They're in a tough=20 spot right now," a nod to the pressure Six Flags is under to get the=20 state's first indoor roller coaster up and running.=20 "Everybody is trying to do what they can (to help), but we're still=20 faced with guidelines that we just can't get around," Dawson said.=20 "If they had gotten the permits at the beginning," she said, "we=20 would have had more latitude to help get this through at the=20 beginning, but the communication just wasn't there."=20 The new plans - primarily a 10-foot shift in the building's footprint=20 to meet state fire safety codes - passed muster with the Planning=20 Board on March 20 and with the Conservation Commission last Thursday.=20 On Friday, at 11 a.m. at the Agawam Department of Public Works=20 building at 1000 Suffield St., the Zoning Board of Appeals will=20 review the new plans.=20 If the Zoning Board - which granted a special permit for a height=20 variance Feb. 11 on the original plans - approves the new plans, that=20 should pave the way for Urbinati to issue a building permit for the=20 project, officials have said.=20 Safety remains the company's primary concern, Litton said. "We do not=20 open the ride until every inch has been inspected," he said. "Safety=20 is always our number-one concern."=20 Permitting board members have been sympathetic to Six Flags - which=20 pays more than $2 million to the city in taxes each year - but have=20 also been critical of park officials for starting construction=20 without all the required permits in place.=20 Every member interviewed said their board had treated Six Flags=20 fairly.=20 "We treat everybody equally," said Planning Board Acting Chairman=20 Travis P. Ward. "We appreciate Six Flags as a good neighbor, but this=20 was an issue of the town becoming aware that something wasn't quite=20 right. This has to do with following the letter of the law, and=20 protecting public safety."=20 "You go by the state regulations," Conservation Commission Chairman=20 Henry Kozloski said. 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--YCalReminder=ioB1uhZyu7Uf8vVM1206942620-1-- From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 04:36:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27427 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 11:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 11:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 11:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 11:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 11:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2008 11:35:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:35:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Want A Roller Coaster? Here's How (from WHIO News Talk Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=uUJZ09bmbr6yHFG469aVm-g5O0Y2wikX8v1lYPuyN0D-FZDNNxgf X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > year. Officials have moved many of the other rides to its other=20 > parks, including flagship Cedar Point. >=20 > I know about Dominator(KD); X-Flight(KI); Thunderhawk(MA);and Steel=20 Venom(DP.) But I've seen no news of anything going to the mothership,=20 CP, as stated above. Anyone know something I don't? Mike From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 04:44:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76927 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 11:44:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 11:44:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 11:44:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16465 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 11:44:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1Z.xr9IVM1loYcybUedrpK7Fg51QLTzSgdKNqO4_ X-Received: from [138.89.128.156] by web35703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:44:30 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:44:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1206942624.14.13090.m52@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <970849.14723.qm@web35703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=YAJQbNP9x4LVfn_dV1FsMxXPCriKS_02ag8DOlGXr5o94alfpBls X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's funny..when I was a kid, before I was ever really interested in parks = and rides..my mom had a cousin in SC. She sent me a brochure for Carowinds = once, and it was probably one of the first realizations I ever had back in = those mid-70's, that there even WERE amusement parks besides Great Adventur= e here in Jersey, which opened in '74................ 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 04:56:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23496 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 11:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 11:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 11:55:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61992 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 11:55:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 36xCnAMVM1kirOgpZO6uJpFIF8dujQqBIHuE0Ao6dC6CI74H6mV6Z6kufQjOKqJuFV5xxpX5AFrtUZPZyuvJ9QVHxAXwpT5c5xse7q8eCmHSU4tbQLRwuU2MqBJfIBX9nIWlvbXOngBIO4dXpA966kDhc5lJIE1WfQ-- X-Received: from [24.140.11.171] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:55:42 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:55:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <493179.61068.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Want A Roller Coaster? Here's How (from WHIO News Talk Radio) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=RuHvuSVfS1SGrw_DaPrKs-lq2D3GfQ8d6unW2dldixAj8I1Jjk2bz5f6I2p4oxKW X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A lot of the kiddie rides went to CP for the new Planet Snoppy area. Mike Gallagher wrote: > year. Officials have moved many of the other rides to its other > parks, including flagship Cedar Point. > > I know about Dominator(KD); X-Flight(KI); Thunderhawk(MA);and Steel Venom(DP.) But I've seen no news of anything going to the mothership, CP, as stated above. Anyone know something I don't? Mike --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 31 07:28:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96976 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 14:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 14:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.168) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 14:25:16 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1651275wfc.14 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.99.21 with SMTP id w21mr3753768wfb.108.1206973515436; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.185.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:25:15 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=A0yfYf-TEZ9h5ayjIHgz20jg2mNdCs3gDv7lyJI46Mj6JMeTGou4p6g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I carry my keys, wallet, and cell phone in my pockets. That's it. I wouldn't be caught dead with a fanny pack. :) -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Mar 31 07:33:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26154 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 14:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 14:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 14:31:42 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c6so141506gvd.11 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.84.12 with SMTP id m12mr3371197ybl.169.1206973900277; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.143.7 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0803310731h51969a53idb777f283b2ef4d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:31:40 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=NDsuU_bqCz_tcgBJ7Rp49jzMgDEj4CukxvGYzaeEaRKPV4w X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I carry my keys, wallet, and cell phone in my pockets. That's it. > I wouldn't be caught dead with a fanny pack. :) I heard the embroidered ACE fanny pack is an aphrodisiac at EastCoaster: http://www.costore.com/productimages/322004E.jpg Adam From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Mar 31 07:43:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50650 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 14:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 14:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 14:36:46 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1793557wfg.13 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.185.13 with SMTP id i13mr1538263wff.213.1206974206742; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.185.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:36:46 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0803310731h51969a53idb777f283b2ef4d5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <165816ef0803310731h51969a53idb777f283b2ef4d5@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=wBaBbOAyksNKqX-x3ko3Zp_EwMW3iOi1Gf3ORxXsS4EVo7S5zb4gTo0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > I carry my keys, wallet, and cell phone in my pockets. That's it. > > I wouldn't be caught dead with a fanny pack. :) > > I heard the embroidered ACE fanny pack is an aphrodisiac at EastCoaster: I know it gets me hot! -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 31 07:59:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76457 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 14:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 14:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 14:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JgLQc-0005uO-I6 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <47F0FABD.80604@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:52:45 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <165816ef0803310731h51969a53idb777f283b2ef4d5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0803310731h51969a53idb777f283b2ef4d5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9dabdbb49094eac5b0af4c59f7e7a60dd4627fac795f0c8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=wy8iGudBz88xvyS1i1Brcwsw5V0pWF7XSyI55v5od8-xSIg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I can't say I never carried one, as I would certainly hear some of you scream at me. hehe. But when I've had one, the main purpose of it has been to carry my camera and other odds and ends for it. It was easier find, buy, and wear one of those than to find a good camera pouch that would actually stay attached to a belt. That's since changed and you won't see me with one now. If I'm carrying a camera with me, it's either in a pouch on my belt if I've got the compact, or in a small bag over my shoulder if I've got the d40x. Other things I need I keep in my pockets, and make sure that I wear pants with either big pockets or cargo pockets on the sides. Wallet, keys, pocket change, a packet or two of ibuprofin and a few band-aids if the kids are with me, my Disney ID/ lanyard, and that's about it. Early part of the year I'll take some sunscreen as the sun here is really bad sometimes. But after I've tanned up and the Cherokee blood has kicked in that also gets left out. The maps and show schedule go in my back pocket, and if I want to keep copies I'll grab another one on the way out. Cell phone is in it's own pouch on my belt, or shoved down deep in a pocket while on a ride. Haven't ever lost one on a ride yet. Sunglasses, on those few times I wear them, are on my head, so no reason to stick them in a pocket. I've found over the last few years it's much easier to travel light and not carry a lot of the stuff I used to. Things I thought I would need I've found I rarely, if ever, actually did, so don't bother with them anymore. keep on ridin' George From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 08:21:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54300 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 15:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 15:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 15:18:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62499 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 15:18:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5wnhtZUVM1kVVVaypQDArWwhl8JrcgayxkUg_pMrV1ZexwLHPtsMyjx8acBx92Fwew-- X-Received: from [24.140.11.171] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:18:34 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:18:34 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <372503.61627.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Things you keep in your backpack or fanny pack at a amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=_51diN4_jAKpAm4RtesZBkg4j9q4BP3ef1iN7uI3HJvVuYL0vAL5oKqCxO1Pa-PG X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Especially if it is on a FAT ACER wearing nothing else, RIGHT! Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > I carry my keys, wallet, and cell phone in my pockets. That's it. > > I wouldn't be caught dead with a fanny pack. :) > > I heard the embroidered ACE fanny pack is an aphrodisiac at EastCoaster: I know it gets me hot! -Nate --------------------------------- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Mar 31 12:50:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78677 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 19:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 19:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 19:50:42 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JgQ1i-0006Bp-03 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:50:42 -0400 Message-ID: <47F13FC8.5080308@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:47:20 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <289104.70575.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <289104.70575.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9dabdbb49094eac17bcba61903bc880b19b06f88c7d3a24350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=0iVfsXgkaIG-fXO_r_KcjUZR0WtNjp8WJF6PLn73A3mjfWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Brian McFeely wrote: > > > Just a comment. I can understand why the designer of the ride might be > upset by it being rethemed. But, I have been on the small world ride, > and, I don't see what the big deal is. > After all, it is just a very boring ride, with a bunch of dolls dancing > and singing to the same song over and over again. What is so wrong about > having a few cartoon charactors mixed in with them. The dolls are not > real people, and in todays world, do not truly represent the cultures of > the world they are trying to portray. I've found that there seems to almost be two universal reactions to Small World- people either love it as it is, or people hate it. It's one of those that seems to have very new that don't have some sort of strong feelings about it. > Tell the truth, did anyone think about or care about this ride before > the changes were announced? No. It would still be the same boring ride > it has been for the last however many years, and nobody would give a > flying leap about it. At least not the general public. Here's one thing that I don't think you realize- people either love or hate the ride. Few find it boring. Annoying? Certainly. Pointless? Maybe. But the fact is there are a heck of a lot of people that love the ride to death- even if a few don't. It is easily one of the most treasured rides out there, which is why there are versions of it at the other magic kingdom parks as well. I think you would find yourself in a very small minority if you're looking for people who don't care about teh ride. > > I think disney is genious, for trying to add new life to what would > probably be torn down. > I think the general public will love the new change, and I know that > millions of kids will enjoy it as well. So what's the big deal. > Because there are a lot of people that don't want to see what has become "classic" in their mind changed, altered, or lost. I don't think that a lot of people realize that these additions are very minor and keeping in with the ride as a whole, and not wholesale removals and major changes. If you don't love Disney, you're not going to understand how much people love things the way they are and are very resistant to change in Disney parks- especially if it's potential removal or loss of something they love. > Now, if they were to tear down cinderellas castle to put in an > ultramodern starbucks. That I would have a problem with. People have to > remember that it's just a theme park, not a historical monument. Disney > should be able to do what they want with it. You'd find a lot that would argue with you that if they make major changes it's not much different than tearing down the castle. Yeah, I know that it's an extreme view, but it's not that uncommon. And there are a lot of people out there who feel that in many ways Disneyland is a historical monument. Check out some of the Disney fan sites and see what happens to those that say it's no big deal there. It's not pretty. > > It could be worse. Disneyland could be torn down and turned into another > megamall. I thought that's what Downtown Disney and the new construction around the corner were supposed to accomplish? Put the mall around the park. :) keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 09:54:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47471 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 16:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 16:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 16:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 16:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 16:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 16:53:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:53:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Working at Cliff's - Orientation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Vy5PBqF_4SRa-jjQH6-sy_2NH26C5CiQtIYH6IshFbS9WJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sorry for the delay, I've been fooling with Thunderbird & Lightning (a little time consuming getting "new" things configured and running sometimes). Orientation: aka Filling out forms. I don't know when the last hiring experience was for the rest of you, but the I-9 is new to me. So I filled out my W-2, read all of their paper work (fire safety, dress, behavior, drug testing waver, etc.). We also got our uniforms. It cost $45 for: name badge, swipe-card (time card swipe), 1 pair of black Dickies shorts, and since I was working in kiddieland I got to choose the color of my Cliff's logo'd Polo(from a limited selection mind you) of light sage green (it goes well with my skin tone -- of course!). Now all of this took about 2 hours. We were outside, under the roof of the picnic grounds (a large, open-air shed-like structure), and if you're familiar with Albuquerque in the spring it's very windy! So, here we are trying to fill-out paperwork in the wind (or Wind tunnel as the case maybe) -- fun! Tomorrow - Training Session #1 -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 10:01:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29918 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 17:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:00:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:00:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47F13FC8.5080308@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PKAIZ5eKdPh3sGXbbRLmp6uac6tfAINmESSHi5RVd82uWaM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 My 2-cents worth: Since I'm a regular contributor on Yahoo! Answers, there have been a few people adding questions like "Did you hear about what these people are doing to small world?". And these people go on to expound about "commercialism", "Classics", etc. Here's has been my pat answer: "I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but the Disney Parks have ALWAYS been about a saleable commercial product. Granted in a fun and family-friendly way. When Walt built Disneyland, almost everything in the Park was either from an old movie, current movie or TV show, or as an advertisement for a future movie or TV show. Fortunately, Disney has almost always done this style of advertisement in a non-crass way. So, technically speaking, adding Disney characters to the Small World ride is really in keeping with a 50+ year tradition." Now, just to clarify, I am a Disney geek; I just also happen to be a reasonable person not blinded by the Disney mystique. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 10:09:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49852 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 17:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.167) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:05:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:05:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zEVqdFZN3bYi46VI5oz-MLZy7wVu77xTm-bnBXX8EzBq4QY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oh, one more thing: I put this same news article on a Disneyland Fan Group that I also belong to, and guess what? Nothing -- not a peep! As Patrick Warburton's character "Kronk" from "The Emperors New Groove" would say, "Weird". -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 10:24:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55936 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:20:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 17:20:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:20:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:20:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:20:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:20:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:20:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ual9kNTpeQcQF8D7MoO1yftqYkdda8m4OFNWVjnxEbhKejw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 1, 2008 PR Web http://www.prweb.com/releases/hardrockpark/ledzeppelin/prweb820344.htm MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- Auctionwire, in conjunction with Rock My World Children's Village (RMWCV) and Hard Rock Park (HRP) announced today the launch of an experience aimed at roller coaster enthusiasts, fans of classic rock's biggest band and anyone who just wants to make history. Beginning on March 31 at 9:00p.m. ET and ending on April 7 at 9:00p.m. ET, HRP will be auctioning off 15 individual tickets for the inaugural ride of the Led Zeppelin - The Ride (LZ-TR)roller coaster. A joint creative connection between HRP and legendary guitarist Jimmy Page, LZ-TR was conceived to give Led Zeppelin fans the ultimate amusement park experience. The highest winning bidder from Row 1, Seat 1 will have the opportunity to sit next to Steven Goodwin, HRP CEO who will also make a personal contribution to add to the final bid price to support the charity. Each prize pack to be bid on in this one-of-a-kind charity auction will include a seat on LZ-TR's very first official ride, a signed Led Zeppelin poster and commemorative certificate declaring the rider's place in history. The rider will also have his or her ride forever commemorated with a photo taken of the event. The media will be on hand for this landmark event, providing a potential interview opportunity to chronicle the rider's breathless adventure. Only 15 individual seats will be available for auction in this highly anticipated maiden voyage of the bands flagship roller coaster. The auction, which will take place on eBay, is being held exclusively by Auctionwire. Bidders may visit www.auctionwire.com/hardrockpark to bid. The auction begins March 31, 2008 and ends on April 7,2008 LZ-TR, named by Jimmy Page, will also feature the Zeppelin smash-hit "Whole Lotta Love" which was selected for the ride by Jimmy himself. The bands hit will be pumped out on the coasters powerful 64 speakers, generating 1200 watts of music as the coaster hurtles the screaming rider down its 3/4 mile long track at speeds hitting 65 mph. The ride itself will feature 6 inversions and reach an apex of a 155'-drop before riders plunge through a 120'-tall loop, a 95'-tall cobra roll, and even experience weightlessness in a 75' zero G roll. The ride will traverse a large part of HRP, in places taking riders racing over the water. The designers also pushed the envelope by making the coaster as tall as the Federal Aviation Administration will allow in the country. This unique experience, slated for April, will also allow riders to get a sneak-peek into what the HRP will offer visitors, ahead of its June grand opening. The 50-acre rock 'n' roll theme park will feature individually themed music environments to cater to music fan's diverse tastes. All flavours of rock will be represented, from American to British, through the 70's to present day. Along with LZ-TR, HRP will also boast 4 other roller coasters amidst a wide variety of other ride experiences, ranging from a full water park, bumper cars and racing games and many areas for the kids. A rock and roll park would not be complete without music, with HRP featuring exactly that: a 10,000 seat amphitheatre which will showcase live daily shows and special concerts. About RMWCV: Working with hundreds of established charities from across America - RMWCV will provide a once-in-a-lifetime cost-free experience for young people to visit "The World's First Rock 'n' Roll Theme Park" at the heart of "America's Beach Playground" where they can live, learn, play and grow within the RMWCV. Designed to accommodate kids of all ages and backgrounds, RMWCV will have facilities designed to cater to the needs of children with life-threatening illnesses, programs to help troubled kids who have lost their way or simply kids who have lost their loved ones. The Village will give them a helping hand towards a more fulfilling life by introducing them to the empowering energy of rock music and the rejuvenating pastimes of the surf, sun and sand. Charity link: http://www.saragoodwin.org/rockmyworld.php About Hard Rock Park: HRP Myrtle Beach Operations, LLC, is designing, developing, and constructing; and will own and operate HRP, an approximately 140-acre rock n' roll theme park in Myrtle Beach, SC under a long term license agreement with Hard Rock International. HRP Myrtle Beach Operations LLC is a Partnership between the executive management team of Steven Goodwin, Felix Mussenden and Jon Binkowski, who designed and developed the park's concepts and will be responsible for building and operating the Park; FHTP, LLC, a group of prominent local investors and community leaders and a joint venture led by real estate developer Ziel Feldman and Amnon Bar-Tur, Managing Member of SafeHarbor Holding, LLC; from New York and Africa Israel Investment and Polar International Real Estate from Israel. For more information on HRP, visit www.hardrockpark.com. About Auctionwire: As the leading auction production agency, Auctionwire works with the world's largest corporations, foundations, ad agencies and non-profit organizations to create successful auctions that raise money, increase brand awareness and generate positive publicity. Auctionwire recently conducted the highly publicized Singapore Airlines A380 charity auction (jumbo jet maiden voyage), raising over $1.2 million for charity. For more information visit: www.auctionwire.com The LZ-TR experience auction will be held online through Auctionwire and eBay. The auction will run from March 31st and conclude April 7th, with the winner to be announced April 8th. International bidders are welcome. To find out more, please visit bid now. Contact: Auctionwire Inc Amanda LeBlanc Amanda @ auctionwire.com 416.636.8678 www.auctionwire.com --------------- =A9 Copyright 1997-2008, Vocus PRW Holdings, LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 10:24:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3406 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:23:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 17:23:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 17:23:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:23:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Carowinds Drops Price of Season Pass X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qpDs2aDhYxL89ZX4xQtekGjqgbyPrQZOvWfYE1fJvkZD02Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 31 Mar 2008 WGHP-Fox http://www.myfoxwghp.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3D6180651&versio= n=3D1&locale=3DEN-US&layoutCode=3DTSTY&pageId=3D3.2.1 CHARLOTTE, NC -- Officials at Carowinds amusement park hope dropping the price of season passes will lure more people into the park this summer. Between now and May 18, a season pass can be purchased for $69.95, which is $20 less than the standard rate. Season passes also include extra incentives like free parking and free admission to Scarowinds, the park's Halloween exhibit. Officials said a weaker economy usually drives people to local attractions, and an expansion of the Carowinds water park is also expected to draw more people. ------------ (c) 2008 Fox Television Stations, Inc. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Apr 01 10:30:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64963 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 17:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:30:08 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so2687212rvb.32 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.76.21 with SMTP id d21mr4486616rvl.270.1207071008085; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:30:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=mn86FvT54vs8nRaL_Exi4cDmOlsP--O3UAOTxPM5kWPONIVwxHvGt38 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Beginning on March 31 at 9:00p.m. ET and ending on April 7 at 9:00p.m. > ET, HRP will be auctioning off 15 individual tickets for the inaugural > ride of the Led Zeppelin - The Ride (LZ-TR)roller coaster. You know, I really like B&M rides, but this has got to be the least exciting-looking coaster they've built in recent memory. Or maybe it's just me. Are there people out there who are really pumped up about this ride? -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Apr 01 10:50:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74495 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:47:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 17:47:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:47:59 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id r4so411749gve.23 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:47:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.72.21 with SMTP id u21mr5124355wfa.65.1207072077786; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804011047k19128ff9mea9683bc173fac91@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:47:57 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=sNHYTnebniI2rVILKa8K2I2fKI4Ea4ZkWhU6z-m6AFKyYFkKQA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, Nate - I'm right there with you. Though it looks like a "cookie cutter" ride, that's not what makes it look boring. Something about it just looks -I can't even find the right wording- lackluster. I can't put my finger on it, but I agree. Josh On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Beginning on March 31 at 9:00p.m. ET and ending on April 7 at 9:00p.m. > > ET, HRP will be auctioning off 15 individual tickets for the inaugural > > ride of the Led Zeppelin - The Ride (LZ-TR)roller coaster. > > You know, I really like B&M rides, but this has got to be the least > exciting-looking coaster they've built in recent memory. Or maybe > it's just me. Are there people out there who are really pumped up > about this ride? > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Apr 01 10:50:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12070 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 17:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta12.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta12.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F89E407B4 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:50:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47ec1d96.1d0d75 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:50:36 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH8nXskPe7QAIAAAAB,497b739b39a3033b37767fd34cffa4a2 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:50:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=llI8ycnAWwrlKyeGDHMu8M3Ub4YfmfVBijtqKYQXlAW93G-OlKkI5QDysQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your absolutely right of course... Not only was Disney all about building attractions themed to the various Disney programs (both live and animated) he was also all about getting that sponsorship money and putting company names on everything. From the Carnation sponsored restaurants to the Monsanto House of the Future. The castle at Disneyland was themed to Sleeping Beauty when the park opened in 1955... and yet the animated film wouldn't open in theaters until 1959... so he was really thinking ahead. Since almost every Disney attraction had some theme or sponsorship behind it, really the only reason we never saw a ton of commercialism out of It's A Small World was because the ride was made for the 1964/65 New York World Fair along with three other Disney created attractions also at the Fair... the Primeval World diorama, Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln and the Carousel of Progress. Since all of these attractions were previously Sponsor driven and created for the fair, there was no need for them to have a Disney character tie-in. But had Small World been created as a Disneyland only attraction from the start... I've got a feeling we would have seen a few Disney characters thrown into the mix in the proper settings. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: UPDATE: Disneyland is jeered over ride restyling My 2-cents worth: Since I'm a regular contributor on Yahoo! Answers, there have been a few people adding questions like "Did you hear about what these people are doing to small world?". And these people go on to expound about "commercialism", "Classics", etc. Here's has been my pat answer: "I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but the Disney Parks have ALWAYS been about a saleable commercial product. Granted in a fun and family-friendly way. When Walt built Disneyland, almost everything in the Park was either from an old movie, current movie or TV show, or as an advertisement for a future movie or TV show. Fortunately, Disney has almost always done this style of advertisement in a non-crass way. So, technically speaking, adding Disney characters to the Small World ride is really in keeping with a 50+ year tradition." Now, just to clarify, I am a Disney geek; I just also happen to be a reasonable person not blinded by the Disney mystique. -Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Apr 01 10:58:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33733 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta10.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta10.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E99A403BB for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.47f17dd5.3f484 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:56:03 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH8nczoJU3sQIAAAAB,6fb2a786e84b71ea2d556f96771036f2 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=cl7qWrTq5UMnIDwiP1WHBcHCStz1P_sm_7suog5Cc9M_NdxuCohBy61HKw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Nate Kohlrusch You know, I really like B&M rides, but this has got to be the least exciting-looking coaster they've built in recent memory. Or maybe it's just me. Are there people out there who are really pumped up about this ride? ------ I'm interested, but I think I'm more interested in seeing how they work the soundtrack into the mix more than the coaster's layout. The first half of the ride looks great... it's like they took the layout and first four inversions from The Incredible Hulk and reversed it... but the second half looks to be on the tame side and I wish that maybe they either tried something a little different to make it stand-out. Plus the mid-course brake run placed just before the sixth and final inversion seems a little unnecessary and disapointing since you know it will kill any speed you had for the helix. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 17:44:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19330 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 23:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 23:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 23:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 23:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 23:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 23:26:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:26:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=XgVWpj7Bg_mbbL4bAo6oca_vRiidf3jMM5HeQnMdWk5NP6Ij1816 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 I'll be making my first visit to HRP in mid-May. I'm honestly not=20 thrilled with what I see of the coaster line-up, but the theming of the=20 park appeals to me. I'm especially looking forward to the Pinball=20 Wizard Arcade and gettin' me some fish and chips at the Codpiece=20 Restaurant. Also, a comment on the title of this discussion topic: I'm pretty sure a bunch of female groupies in the late 60's were=20 the "First In History to Ride Led Zeppelin!" 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--YCalReminder=Ohv3N3Na4sBfv37VcsVGvUJ6mA7WOH1207115410-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Apr 01 23:18:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35604 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 06:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 06:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2c.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.233) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 06:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n2.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 06:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 06:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 06:18:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:18:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0804011047k19128ff9mea9683bc173fac91@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.4 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=aYoNl_5Pxgf6jT4CTtv8rB1V4MUIfde0yo1c7GDv_8uCkbDePg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 While the station is 'neat' the colors are awfully bland. The layout=20 looks decent, but it doesn't POP like Kumba or Goliath... Does that=20 make sense? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Nope, Nate - I'm right there with you. Though it looks like=20 a "cookie > cutter" ride, that's not what makes it look boring. Something about=20 it just > looks -I can't even find the right wording- lackluster. I can't=20 put my > finger on it, but I agree. >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Nate Kohlrusch > wrote: >=20 > > > Beginning on March 31 at 9:00p.m. ET and ending on April 7 at=20 9:00p.m. > > > ET, HRP will be auctioning off 15 individual tickets for the=20 inaugural > > > ride of the Led Zeppelin - The Ride (LZ-TR)roller coaster. > > > > You know, I really like B&M rides, but this has got to be the=20 least > > exciting-looking coaster they've built in recent memory. Or maybe > > it's just me. Are there people out there who are really pumped up > > about this ride? > > > > -Nate > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 05:34:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10796 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 12:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 12:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 12:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 12:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 12:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 12:34:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:33:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Working at Cliff's - Training Day 1 & 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2Tau0pjJJVC4pvEk3-Z5-QqTHWh9d-XqfZIPZj9pq0FAipk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 TRAINING DAY 1 So, my first day of training was a big one. We went over 5 rides that day. The Big Flush: a 2 tube water dinghy slide Carousel Dune Adventure: One of the "4x4" cars on a powered track kind thing Kiddie Bumper Cars L'il Yo-Yo: a kiddie sized Yo-Yo Their's the whole start-up procedure: clean the ride, check the "Blue Box" (which is not always blue) for the mechanics sign-off sheet and make certain that it has been inspected for that day, sign the sheet as an operator, do a test run. Then come the people. The rides have a minimum height restriction. The mini bumper cars also have a maximum height restriction. The Mini Yo-Yo has a maximum SIZE limit (tiny little seats!). The Big Flush has minimum & maximum WEIGHT limit (too light you'll flip, to heavy ... well, I'll just leave it at that). After they're on we do the restraint check, then we say, "Are you ready?!" with enthusiasm. Then we start the ride. Fortunately, most of the rides have ride-timers on them, and stop automatically. TRAINING DAY 2 This day was rather easy, almost boring. It was the Train. I don't know who the manufacturer is, but the crossing signals are by Chance. It's a diesel engine that looks like a steam engine. It pulls 4 cars, totaling about 40 people max. This is a 2 person crew: 1 to run the train, the other is a Train Spotter (my term, not theirs). Since the train crosses over 4 uncontrolled walkways, the Spotter is the person making certain that people don't run out in front of the train as it crosses these walkways. So, basically, the Spotter better have good walking shoes! The reason I say "almost boring" is because there were 8 people to train that day, and each 2 person crew had to work both running the train and Spotting. Each circuit (complete with loading and unloading of passengers) takes about 15 minutes. Since we didn't to load and unload, we could effectively cover about 3 crew training an hour. The rest of us who weren't being trained at that time, were riding the train -- over and over again for about 2 hours. Weee! Anyway! Thursday is my last training day, and then we Open on Saturday. I'll cover Thursday's training on Friday. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 06:00:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69072 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 13:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 13:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 13:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:00:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:00:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Plans announced for Chinese theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JSth5K0pc8s1OVX4f41FCwraWeLY_1E6uY6koS9KE-UO6fo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 02 Apr 2008 World Leisure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D59733 SHESHAN, SHANGHAI, CHINA -- Proposals to open a new 87-hectare theme park in Shanghai in 2010 have been put forward to local planning officials. Called Joy Valley Theme Park, the park is to be built within the existing Sheshan resort area in northwestern Shanghai. If granted planning permission, the US$572 m (=A3290, 367 euro) park would dwarf other amusements parks in the region. Plans for the park include a hotel, a conference centre and a 5,000-capacity theatre. ------------ =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 06:11:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69844 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 13:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 13:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 13:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:09:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:09:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Ben & Jerry's theme park appears to be on ice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pNaZOqOwCiPaF0XboTENVl2KKWL2kPf5KVsGQOEQcVKNMSg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 1, 2008 Times Argus http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/RH/20080401/NEWS03/8= 04010371/1004/SPORTS By Peter Hirschfeld WATERBURY, VT -=97 In November of 2005, Ben & Jerry's (B&J) officials unveiled plans to transform their Waterbury ice cream factory into a spectacular ice-cream theme park. The conceptual plan, presented by enthusiastic executives to the Waterbury Planning Commission, included a 2,800-sq-ft addition, outdoor mini-golf course and special events area. The upgraded facility, executives said, would draw as many as 1.5 million people annually to the SR-100 landmark =97 a 5-fold increase over yearly attendance numbers now. B&J, though, has apparently abandoned the proposal. The company =97 a subsidiary of Unilever =97 sought permission from the Planning Commission last Thursday evening to expand its parking facilities and construct an 850-sq-ft restroom area. But Matt Willis, engineering services manager for B&J, says the plan is not part of a larger expansion effort. And, as far as he knows, plans for a Hershey, PA-style tourist attraction are off the table. "What I know, and I think I know as much as anyone at the plant, is that we have no plans to move in that direction that was proposed earlier," Willis says. "This project is an attempt to properly accommodate the people who are already coming here." During peak days, B&J hosts about 2,400 tour-takers daily at its Waterbury factory. Willis says the proposed parking layout will separate employee and visitor traffic, and add about 50 new parking spaces to avoid the overflow the company experiences on its busier days. "This is to address an issue we have with guest safety," Willis told members of the planning commission. "It's a very dangerous area for pedestrians," he said of one spot in particular. The plan also moves the factory's SR-100 entrance slightly north, toward Stowe. The new egress, company consultants said, would improve tractor-trailer circulation and mitigate some of the congestion that occurs especially during high summer and foliage seasons. But Peter Miller, a Waterbury resident whose home abuts B&J property, is skeptical. He questioned whether the proposal was being proposed in a vacuum, or if in fact the improvements were an early phase of the ambitious expansion pitched by B&J little more than 2 years ago. "They have 42 acres there, and at one time there was mention, at a meeting here, of a theme park," Miller said. "I look at that land up there and I look at what they said about the theme park, and I ask, 'Is that in the future?'" Willis said he had only recently joined the company when the earlier plans were first trotted out, and referred media inquiries about the theme-park proposal to a company spokesperson. Rob Michalak, the company spokesman, said he was unable Friday to contact people with knowledge of the earlier plan. He was unable to say why or when the company abandoned its previous proposal. "There's been a variety of plans over the years since we've been there that have come and gone," Michalak said Friday. Rick Weston, chairman of the Waterbury Planning Commission, said in an interview Friday that his board will ask B&J representatives, who testify under oath at commission meetings, the status of the earlier proposal. "Certainly the planning commission is interested in the long-term plans that B&J has for its property in Waterbury," Weston said. "... We will be asking B&J whether the conceptual plan they presented to us (in late 2005) is still in the works." B&J may still have some hurdles to negotiate with its new parking lot proposal. Barbara Parker owns Early Vermont Antiques, on the other side of SR-100 from the B&J property. She said in a letter to the planning commission that the company's proposal to re-locate its entrance, and add extra lanes to SR-100 to accommodate heavy traffic flows, will drastically impact her business. "Their main entrance is scheduled to be placed directly across the road from the entrance to my business ... making this a 3-lane road right at the entrance to my shop," Parker wrote. "I am also very concerned about the fact that my customers will have to cross 2 lanes of traffic to access my business when turning left ... This is a very confusing situation and one that I see to be very hazardous." The Waterbury Planning Commission will conduct a site walk Monday evening to review the proposed changes before meeting again at the Waterbury Village offices next Thursday to continue hearings in the permit request process. ------------ =A9 2008 Times Argus From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 06:17:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81946 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 13:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 13:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 13:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:15:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:15:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Regulations for theme park rides tightened X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jRJijxgY8U2sg48Nr4ZetwxIf8WMTAZvUyIp1oJB1YALM_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 2, 2008 Courier-Journal http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080402/NEWS01= 01/804020918 By Stephenie Steitzer FRANKFORT, KY -- A bill that would tighten the state's regulation of amusement park rides is headed to the governor's desk. The Senate voted unanimously yesterday to agree with changes made in the House to Senate Bill 203, which would raise the maximum fine the state Department of Agriculture (DOA) could levy on a park to $10,000 from $1,000. The agency oversees ride safety in Kentucky. Sen. Tom Jensen, R-London, sponsored the bill. The measure was drafted in the wake of an accident at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (6FKK) in Louisville last summer that severed a girl's feet. Kaitlyn Lasitter, now 14, was riding the Superman Tower of Power on June 21 when a cable broke. Lawmakers who finished negotiating a 2-year state spending plan yesterday also included $500,000 in the budget for the DOA to hire additional ride inspectors. SB-203 also lets the DOA establish a set of administrative violations and procedures for revoking licenses or other certificates issued by the department to ride operators. The bill also requires that all operators of amusement rides be at least 18, and that theme parks get the ride manufacturer's approval before installing replacement parts. 6FKK officials have said they strongly oppose the age requirement, contending the ability to operate a ride lies in training, not age. Jensen said he isn't sure the accident would have been prevented had the provisions in the bill been in place, but he said the legislation is "long overdue." ---------------- Copyright =A92007 Courier-Journal From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 06:20:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46971 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 13:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 13:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 13:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 13:19:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:19:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Coyote Canyon Theme Park to Roll into Florence X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GJhXyF9MTnwH0laCO8mTIdzl7VpatKwR0OpM0wzhj5yohZs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 March 31st, 2008 KTAR http://news.ktar.com/?nid=3D6&sid=3D791337 by Jayme West FLORANCE, AZ -- Another theme park is in the works southeast of the Valley. It's called Coyote Canyon and it offers plenty of thrills with a western theme. "We're in the planning stages and we have a lot of effort going on right looking for construction partners and getting the rest of our sponsorship money in place," says John Yurcaba with One Dream, One Team. He says the 1,200-acre park has already been approved by the City of Florence where it'll be located and he says it has the governor's blessing as well. "We're looking at 3 different pieces to our pie. The 1st one being the theme park. The 2nd one being what we call the CityWalk. The CityWalk will encompass numerous retail opportunities, restaurants, more sit down type." Then there'll be an area with movies, a bowling alley and maybe even a 9-hole golf course. At the theme park, you can expect some breathtaking rides. "A roller coaster that is going to be approximately a 300'-drop down into a canyon. That I'm looking forward to," says CEO Kim Tucci. She says there's also a coaster planned called the Thunderbird. "That one has a 250' vertical drop straight down." The company hopes to break ground on the $600 million project this fall with the grand opening no later than spring of 2010. "We're very excited. We found some great individuals already who have shown a great interest in this project. They're excited about it happening in the state," says Yarcuba. But what about Decades, the rock-n-roll theme park planned for Eloy? "I think we both surprised each other," he says. Online: www.coyotecanyonthemepark.com But Yurcaba says they'll be good for each other when it comes to making the area a worldwide destination. ------------- Copyright 2008 Bonneville International From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 02 06:54:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94550 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 13:52:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 13:52:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.186) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 13:52:05 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so1554261rvb.5 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr4959995rvh.103.1207144324825; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:52:04 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Working at Cliff's - Training Day 1 & X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ZsverTC23B_Hm-ivg1AZNoKUj7ObjupoOvDTgWmPs_aKq0s7Bqs17dU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > TRAINING DAY 2 > This day was rather easy, almost boring. It was the Train. I don't > know who the manufacturer is, but the crossing signals are by Chance. Looks like a Chance CP Huntington train to me. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 02 07:02:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18046 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 14:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 14:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 14:01:29 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1238212ele.17 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.23.7 with SMTP id a7mr4983795rvj.58.1207144888010; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:01:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: Coyote Canyon Theme Park to Roll into Florence X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Ez5bLsd_ERoJuc6K40neLqhHzBb7b1LrmxlksMguNlNxG88I0-pfHo0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > He says the 1,200-acre park has already been approved by the City of > Florence where it'll be located and he says it has the governor's > blessing as well. "We're looking at 3 different pieces to our pie. The > 1st one being the theme park. The 2nd one being what we call the > CityWalk. The CityWalk will encompass numerous retail opportunities, > restaurants, more sit down type." They should probably begin considering an alternate name, since Citywalk is a registered trademark of Universal's. > At the theme park, you can expect some breathtaking rides. "A roller > coaster that is going to be approximately a 300'-drop down into a > canyon. That I'm looking forward to," says CEO Kim Tucci. Uh huh. > She says there's also a coaster planned called the Thunderbird. "That > one has a 250' vertical drop straight down." Uh huh. > The company hopes to break ground on the $600 million project this > fall with the grand opening no later than spring of 2010. Ha! > Online: www.coyotecanyonthemepark.com Very professional site. You've gotta' really admire a company that uses a picture of Six Flags' American Eagle to promote their property. Anyone want to place bets that this place is never gonna' happen? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 02 09:33:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32684 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 16:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 16:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 16:33:06 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1205161ele.13 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.136.19 with SMTP id o19mr5081759rvn.250.1207153985678; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:33:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0804011047k19128ff9mea9683bc173fac91@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Ew5ThV10gHy4A3l1AekuRaKDjl50d70Iwy3kfmjr_fp6uS9-F3RebKw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > While the station is 'neat' the colors are awfully bland. The layout > looks decent, but it doesn't POP like Kumba or Goliath... Does that > make sense? Yes, and I think that's exactly how I feel. I don't expect avery ride to have some never-before-seen inversion or element, but Led Zepelin just looks bland. Same old typical B&M layout, nothing special or interesting between inversions, and a lackluster ending. I'm sure the park will be great, but I can't say I'm super thrilled about their coaster lineup. -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Apr 02 11:12:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57732 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 18:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 18:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-129.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.29) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 18:12:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7698 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 2008 18:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 18:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh7Rb-0000Jn-9s for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:12:19 -0600 Message-Id: <8FF71F15-5ADB-45BB-9510-B9199B53A077@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:12:19 -0400 References: <76e1ec0a0804011047k19128ff9mea9683bc173fac91@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:popbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=sUGcsTxiTSyGoUU46lKfTpvF4Va9Kr-R_JqAnZZTIP81-AYb743a X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> While the station is 'neat' the colors are awfully bland. The layout >> looks decent, but it doesn't POP like Kumba or Goliath... Does that >> make sense? > > Yes, and I think that's exactly how I feel. I don't expect avery ride > to have some never-before-seen inversion or element, but Led Zepelin > just looks bland. Same old typical B&M layout, nothing special or > interesting between inversions, and a lackluster ending. I wouldn't say its the typical B&M layout... I think Medusa at SFGAd is more a typical B&M... this one is a lot blander. And I think the reason is mostly because there really aren't any turns or changes in direction. It's like the exact opposite of a GCI layout -- a perfectly straight drop, loop, cobra roll, zero-g roll, helix, etc, all with no changes of direction between the elements. It's almost like someone designed it in Roller Coaster Tycoon. On the other hand, Medusa has the curved first drop, the turn up into the dive roll, small change of direction after the dive roll, turn up onto the brake run, twist into the barrel rolls, small turns and a hill after the barrel rolls. All really small, but they add a ton to the ride. Same thing with Nitro and Goliath and their other rides... a lot of it is straight track, but there are a lot of really minor changes in direction between elements that help keep the ride moving. Mike From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 02 11:46:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16147 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2008 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.190) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1598202rvf.9 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:46:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr5184453rvi.277.1207161996786; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:46:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:46:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8FF71F15-5ADB-45BB-9510-B9199B53A077@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0804011047k19128ff9mea9683bc173fac91@mail.gmail.com> <8FF71F15-5ADB-45BB-9510-B9199B53A077@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PR: Be the First in History to Ride Led Zeppelin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=AsOhhOJfI4NKPSjUWk2y9vexFmz3w6vS0TGSCzLELnKAAWk9vr43N_M X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I wouldn't say its the typical B&M layout... I think Medusa at SFGAd > is more a typical B&M... this one is a lot blander. Yeah, that's what I meant. "Typical B&M layout" as in the usual inversions in the same old order with nothing special inbetween to set it apart. It really is cookie-cutterish, and the two helices really don't do anything to set the ride apart. Why not a couple tunnels or underground dives? Why not a dive loop instead of a second vertical loop? It looks like a yawner to me. But then again, it's really hard to identify the last time B&M created something that looked especially interesting. I think this ride is a bigger offender than most though. :) -Nate From coastermanokc@cox.net Wed Apr 02 17:11:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96453 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 00:01:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 00:01:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao104.cox.net) (68.230.240.46) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 00:01:32 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080403000131.YHTX27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:01:31 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.87.86]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 8o1W1Z0011rmKl802o1Wee; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:01:31 -0400 To: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:01:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AciUw+h7nberoyJ0RMejPH3Z8vwsVgAWVmgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080403000131.YHTX27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.46 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Regulations for theme park rides tightened X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=GTmfZALN_0ZmfHE-STKx9pJWsIr9_WdVM3Pf7OuVypRDqdG_wWshHg X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why is the Department of Agriculture responsible for theme park safety in several of the states anyway? If anyone knows why this is could you please explain? Are there any other opinions on this issue? Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Apr 02 18:04:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13390 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 01:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 01:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 01:04:22 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2962300wfa.7 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:04:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.191.2 with SMTP id o2mr6588739wff.132.1207184662615; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:04:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804021804k54c97018tc3a734faefe2c7f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:04:22 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080403000131.YHTX27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080403000131.YHTX27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Regulations for theme park rides tightened X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=xXGLH3urNOaNegJZwQRYSUDXoWhiDwQJwQzXd5B6Iz3j_kkJYw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Better them than the DOT. You think coaster construction takes too long /now?/ :) On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Michael Lopez wrote: > > > Why is the Department of Agriculture responsible for theme park safety in > several of the states anyway? If anyone knows why this is could you please > explain? Are there any other opinions on this issue? > > Michael Lopez > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 18:26:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38935 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 01:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 01:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 01:26:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30606 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2008 01:26:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9OCrCtUVM1mPszmx0WIMnGyMJGf5Vr0Bqz0_jZWef4wdfp44Z4lB7sPg_BJGBgokVkixNgqyeoDMztTf8H66uKrP97V4xQk6FdgO4DfxAbDAl7BwquC3uqUq.DpBOg-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:26:02 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:26:02 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1207005754.2430.89853.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <862370.24014.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Want A Roller Coaster? Here's How X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=tnl6CaK7sRpXCTa3bDSILOkz_om_42yXOBxd6Q2nzx2VnZL4AaLX X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't understand why Cedar Fair doesn't move them into their own parks. The Big Dipper would be a great fit for Cedar Point, which is a bit heavy on the steel rides. Sure, it's similar to Blue Streak. But Magnum is similar to MF. Big Dipper is a classic that gives consistent family fun and would work well in that park. CF wouldn't have to spend a ton of money moving it. And coaster fans would own them a debt of gratitude. Jay --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Apr 02 18:54:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66505 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 01:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 01:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 01:53:59 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2759400wff.28 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:53:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.29.17 with SMTP id g17mr6572602wfj.239.1207187638951; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804021853s5daf9435he2f8edde25a60b5e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:53:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <862370.24014.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1207005754.2430.89853.m45@yahoogroups.com> <862370.24014.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Want A Roller Coaster? Here's How X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=5CSCof_z7vWPIo9fu2e5TSrI6JXvj2YXklyfumwAOU6ZXWzR3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That just makes absolutely no sense. It's been beaten to death on some of the other boards, but it's so similar to Blue Streak, it's not even worth the time. Really, what makes MF and Magnum so similar? MF is 110 feet taller, has a lot of ground hugging turns, and only 3 bunny hills. Magnum is a whole lot of bunny hops and a turnaround. Sure, the turnaround on the island of MF could be considered a "pretzel" just like Magnum's, but they are vastly different rides, and I'm sure anyone you ask would agree that MF is much smoother than Magnum. As for BD and BS - they're both close in height, and both are classic out-and-back with a turnaround at one end. Throw some new PTCs or Gerstlauers on there, and you won't even know the difference. -Josh On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > I can't understand why Cedar Fair doesn't move them into their own > parks. The Big Dipper would be a great fit for Cedar Point, which is a bit > heavy on the steel rides. Sure, it's similar to Blue Streak. But Magnum is > similar to MF. Big Dipper is a classic that gives consistent family fun and > would work well in that park. CF wouldn't have to spend a ton of money > moving it. And coaster fans would own them a debt of gratitude. > > Jay > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 02 18:59:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65273 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 01:59:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 01:59:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.186) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 01:59:31 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so1581227rvb.48 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr4288538rvl.29.1207187971669; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:59:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <862370.24014.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207005754.2430.89853.m45@yahoogroups.com> <862370.24014.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Want A Roller Coaster? Here's How X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=reCpm5lyv99soMfbxv8RSu0l_wc42DnZz6-jA4SdwyhYChNaEv0WzZs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Off the top of my head, I can think of the following reasons why Cedar Fair isn't moving Big Dipper to Cedar Point: 1) It's darn near *exactly* like Blue Streak. Comparing Magnum to Millennium Force isn't even close compared to this. It would have been like moving Steel Venom to CP, only probably even sillier. 2) Cost. It's costly to move a wooden coaster...much more so than a steel coaster. 3) Cost. It's costly to maintain a wooden coaster...much moreso than a steel coaster. 4) Zero marketing potential. "Hey, come ride that coaster that used to be just down the street! You know, that little one that was built a bazillion years ago!" 5) Space. I'm not one to jump on the "Cedar Point has a space problem" bandwagon, but I can't easily think of a place to dump Blue Streak without a lot more of that cost thing. 6) ROI. Is this going to attract any new people to Cedar Point? Answer: No. Here's the reason I can think of that Cedar Fair may benefit from moving BS to CP: 1) Um...well...I guess it ups overall park capacity. Seriously, what's the point? -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Apr 02 20:07:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11814 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 03:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 03:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 03:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 03:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 03:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 03:07:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:07:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.91.77 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: UPDATE: Working at Cliff's - Training Day 1 & 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Zv1JzcLdPRk1qA4H9lv--T5l2AEIggLxEmtp26_d_XgwQhNb-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > TRAINING DAY 2 > This day was rather easy, almost boring. It was the Train.=20 > -Alan > That's exactly how I felt driving our trains at 6FGAm last summer! For=20 us, there's 4 positions, though. Two are 'Station Masters' for the 2=20 stations, the 'conductor' rides on the back and runs the spiels, and=20 the engineer drives. We rotate every time we get to a station.=20 Our train is just a tad bit bigger, though.=20 :) Chris From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Apr 03 03:06:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95235 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 10:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 10:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.32) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 10:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8y0F1Z00316AWCUA300M00; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:04:17 +0000 X-Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([76.118.150.174]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8y6S1Z0033m0dr88S00000; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:06:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hqjVUXibmAVhD4TPu94A:9 a=m85g9nTq9QqlWGfUnRnU-mBvKvQA:4 a=0dRpvnS4h04A:10 Message-Id: <61CBD477-35F6-4B60-B807-434FEB4B4E2B@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1207197442.2827.64335.m45@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 06:06:25 -0400 References: <1207197442.2827.64335.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Parks & Agri X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=4VH2GNZJdbw8FbqtMKoDMEwa3v_4L1V7UGi32QmZU555h2Lr83y1pg X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Michael Lopez asked: >> >> Why is the Department of Agriculture responsible for theme park >> safety in >> several of the states anyway? If anyone knows why this is could you >> please >> explain? Are there any other opinions on this issue? >> Historically, many fairs were based around promoting the agricultural industry, and that's where the first midways tended to be. So the Departments of Agriculture got the oversight and it's stuck with them. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Apr 03 07:06:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66025 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 14:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 14:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 14:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JhQ5D-0001Ag-37 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:06:27 -0400 Message-ID: <47F4E39A.9040601@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:03:06 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47887a5dba1e6b14d0a5c9745a77d97324ead17c140d6e4c2e4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=jauEhe4-qlk2l70SxwLM-idsZvTbgMYj8_Zecv3TRqdz2Lc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/tourism/orl-seaworld0308apr03,0,978778.story Supposedly a mix of coaster and animal interaction, they were very hazy on details. It's going to be the biggest investment they've made at any of the Sea World parks, and should open sometime in 2009. It will include coaster elements, but they don't like the words "roller coaster" for it. Sounds like it could be really interesting to see how it turns out. BTW, got a car again yesterday (finally!) so now it's working out a day to go visit Aquatica. yay! keep on ridin' George From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Apr 03 08:27:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30018 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 15:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 15:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 15:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bfa.fadbd28 (65098) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:25:51 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Want A Roller Coaster? Here's How X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=S8JdZV35LPOLhS2Egpen2zLQrB9wXILB7Cxj79tAEId0ESuxQA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I personally would like to see Coney Island of Cincinnati buy the Big Dipper. It's an old classic amusement park, that is void of a wood coaster at the moment. There is one right there that they could get right away. The only problem is the floods. They have had some disastrous floods there in the past, and also this year, they've had to move around the park in boats at times. Also, if Big Dipper is not flood proof, and they wouldn't want to chance it, I think the Villain might be another good fit for them. It would probably stand a better chance of survival in the floods. Either one, though, I think would be a good fit for that park, and spur the nostalgic feel of that park. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 03 14:23:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71049 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 21:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 21:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.189) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 21:23:26 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1931748rvf.35 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.164.13 with SMTP id r13mr278678rvo.65.1207257806891; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:23:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47F4E39A.9040601@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47F4E39A.9040601@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=HWlYFsZEC4JQo_HFz8mdRfGN92AuopY9cgsXuQ0BcNqQV05KOAiQcQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Supposedly a mix of coaster and animal interaction, they were very hazy > on details. It's going to be the biggest investment they've made at any > of the Sea World parks, and should open sometime in 2009. It will > include coaster elements, but they don't like the words "roller coaster" > for it. Most rumors point toward this being a B&M flying coaster with sting ray exhibits. Sounds like Orlando is the place to be in 2009! -Nate From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Apr 03 14:32:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43415 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 21:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 21:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 21:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 21:32:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 21:32:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:32:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080403000131.YHTX27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: NEWS: Regulations for theme park rides tightened X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=40PoD6AL_k6sW_UGuXnKxciwi5qQtcG5UQZVfg4j-F1pmkRxyA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 I'm guessing it grew out of the need for some oversight of rides at=20 fairs (like State Fairs) that, because they initially were seriously=20 farm-related, then once carnivals and parks became more permanent,=20 the DoA already had some experience regulating and inspecting rides,=20 so it became their jurisdiction. Just a guess. Jon Z --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lopez"=20 wrote: > >=20=20 >=20 > Why is the Department of Agriculture responsible for theme park=20 safety in > several of the states anyway? If anyone knows why this is could you=20 please > explain? Are there any other opinions on this issue? >=20 From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Apr 03 14:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36739 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 21:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 21:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 21:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 21:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 21:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 21:34:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:34:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: RUMOR: Coyote Canyon Theme Park to Roll into Florence X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=xfo8lrk8PcnK9Sb0CGL9Y-012gETShQNt8Pk7CaAUDfOktVxRg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > Anyone want to place bets that this place is never gonna' happen? Sorry, all my gambling money is tied up on that Utopia park near New=20 London, CT. jon Z From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 03 22:50:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25415 invoked by uid 7800); 4 Apr 2008 05:50:11 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2008 05:50:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1207288211.17.25412.m43@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=cl5qFPzfEDZIuOREL1207288206-1" --YCalReminder=cl5qFPzfEDZIuOREL1207288206-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Veega Land opened Friday April 4, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=cl5qFPzfEDZIuOREL1207288206-1-- From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 05:52:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49585 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 12:52:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 12:52:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 12:52:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 12:52:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 12:52:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 12:52:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:52:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47F4E39A.9040601@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.92.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=qFOgHl1K2OF-vd0kTpZ9gTthkxNnKTWTuCBbkksmzWjK3tdmkh3I8XHnXw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > BTW, got a car again yesterday (finally!) so now it's working out a=20 day=20 > to go visit Aquatica. yay! we expect a full TR if you go! weve been debating driving down one day=20 to go, but we cant coordinate which schools are on swing break when, so=20 we dont know the best time to go as far as crowds go. i think though we are going to go see what Jungala is like at busch=20 gardens sunday, since it just opened.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 05:55:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18128 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:55:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.92.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=OvEiOYcEw_AgnaN7y-9A4h2AomBWLyS01Cdf4xu38v6CzNgTmIzdXeRdxg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > Supposedly a mix of coaster and animal interaction, they were very=20 hazy > > on details. It's going to be the biggest investment they've made at=20 any > > of the Sea World parks, and should open sometime in 2009. It will > > include coaster elements, but they don't like the words "roller=20 coaster" > > for it. >=20 > Most rumors point toward this being a B&M flying coaster with sting > ray exhibits. >=20 really?!? wow, that would be something. ive wondered why more flyers=20 havent been built. im assuming its because of the loading issues.=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Apr 04 06:32:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37077 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 13:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 13:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 13:30:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26677 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 13:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from c-98-193-62-24.hsd1.il.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[98.193.62.24]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Apr 2008 13:30:07 -0000 Message-ID: <47F62D45.3070002@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:29:41 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=XhDs2wb4POFxYa9WCMDHdL17qBnjnD0tiLETPg_x-b-_Jlkt X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > really?!? wow, that would be something. ive wondered why more flyers > havent been built. im assuming its because of the loading issues. It's because riding them is like having a bear-trap snap shut on your "goodies".. Cameron. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 06:39:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75712 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 13:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 13:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.232) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 13:35:40 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c53so44521wra.20 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.76.21 with SMTP id d21mr445390rvl.270.1207316139702; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:35:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1207288211.17.25412.m43@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207288211.17.25412.m43@yahoogroups.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=lZt3qO25lBDVUnBaqWYmnZO-Y51hxW9CGeY5x7YPZtrRfCCCzLbQa_k X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > Title: Veega Land opened I don't mean to complain, but what the heck is with all of these anniversary notices? I can see sending notices for some of the more important dates (like the opening of Disneyland, for instance) but individual rides? And "Veega Land" of all places?! I've never even heard of Veega Land! (And, to be honest, I couldn't really care less about Veega Land). Anyone else have thoughts on this? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 06:46:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53536 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 13:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 13:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 13:44:14 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so45410ele.13 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.68.5 with SMTP id v5mr468460rvk.179.1207316242135; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:37:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47F62D45.3070002@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47F62D45.3070002@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=5ECYAEyE03mOGFk8t0Qoh8YLej_9KZQ3bwX6Y8rh3gSSnV2Y6waplQ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > really?!? wow, that would be something. ive wondered why more flyers > > havent been built. im assuming its because of the loading issues. > It's because riding them is like having a bear-trap snap shut on your > "goodies".. I highly doubt that's the issue. I've never had a problem with a B&M flyer. I'm guessing more haven't been built because there are just better (read: more appealing to a mass audience) options out there. With Central Florida featuring just about every style of B&M coaster, though, a flyer should work well there I think. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 04 07:25:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87468 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 14:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 14:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 14:24:18 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jhmq1-000375-CE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: <47F6393F.6020703@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:20:47 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47887a5dba1e6b14d0a1d885b7bd09a0e558b026f3dbe3c6603350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=wpUR-s0hdF6pXd55SOpWsOnujTWh6VOYNLNQOt-FqHqtY6E X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , george burnash > wrote: > > > BTW, got a car again yesterday (finally!) so now it's working out a > day > > to go visit Aquatica. yay! > > we expect a full TR if you go! weve been debating driving down one day > to go, but we cant coordinate which schools are on swing break when, so > we dont know the best time to go as far as crowds go. > Don't worry, I'll do one when we go. We spent a couple of hours at Sea World yesterda, and looked over from the skytower only to see Aquatica's parking lot totally and completely full. And with the grand opening today, we'll wait a few days to hopefully let the crowd settle down just a bit. Can't wait to long though as then the summer crowds will be here. :) keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 10:12:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39543 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 17:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 17:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 17:10:33 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so77328gve.40 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.237.20 with SMTP id k20mr1123342wfh.228.1207329032018; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804041010maba1b58xe3fcbc9ea06093f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:10:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1207288211.17.25412.m43@yahoogroups.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=mpj-1OSCjMk7z72kGvbwcuPzWLnnsDt4HNDzvBc48kFvQyyGFg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought the exact same thing when I read that. I really don't care to know stuff like this. -Josh On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > > > Title: Veega Land opened > > I don't mean to complain, but what the heck is with all of these > anniversary notices? I can see sending notices for some of the more > important dates (like the opening of Disneyland, for instance) but > individual rides? And "Veega Land" of all places?! I've never even > heard of Veega Land! (And, to be honest, I couldn't really care less > about Veega Land). > > Anyone else have thoughts on this? > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 10:26:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1886 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 17:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 17:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.247) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 17:26:46 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k27so116556hsc.2 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:26:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.110.16 with SMTP id i16mr3498491anc.40.1207330005180; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:26:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0804041026u2a145916tc595fd557e7b5645@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:26:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0804041010maba1b58xe3fcbc9ea06093f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207288211.17.25412.m43@yahoogroups.com> <76e1ec0a0804041010maba1b58xe3fcbc9ea06093f@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=ExUhPRiBqc2ESJDPAyT-5Il5VoTos5GDuChHF8XtK5IBeII X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I agree that some of these anniversary reminders are unnecessary, but at the same time we've seen a few of them spark discussions that most likely would not have happened without these reminders. It's impossible to determine which anniversary reminders will spark these discussions, so by getting rid of any of them we may miss out on conversations that would be unlikely to take place. most of the time I just delete the reminders without reading them (and the same thing with a lot of the news articles that Alan posts), but as soon as there are replies I check them out and see if I can add to the discussion. Are the anniversary reminders that much of a nuisance that we, as a group, would like to sacrifice the potential discussions that they may spark? I would not be sad if the anniversary reminders were taken out, but I wanted to show that there are times when they do spark discussions. And in terms of this one, I've never heard of Veega land, and RCDB does not have much information about the park. Mike -avoiding my paperwork From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 11:19:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38752 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 18:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 18:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.235) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 18:19:53 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so181664wxd.20 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.82.40 with SMTP id f40mr770809rvb.0.1207333193019; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:19:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0804041026u2a145916tc595fd557e7b5645@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207288211.17.25412.m43@yahoogroups.com> <76e1ec0a0804041010maba1b58xe3fcbc9ea06093f@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0804041026u2a145916tc595fd557e7b5645@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fE3MQuKaSkYsIWBjAwIxDDhWb5puKbZ3RrdYMNMLHkmuEesIweKbH0w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Are the anniversary reminders that much of a nuisance that we, as a > group, would like to sacrifice the potential discussions that they may > spark? Have these anniversay reminders ever resulted in any major discussions? I'm not denying they have, but I certainly don't remember that ever happening. How many conversations can "On this day 50 years ago, park A opened" really spark? I don't know where these reminders came from, but the reminders that were chosen really boggles the mind. Not nearly all of the major parks in the United States have reminders, yet obscure FEC's in far away countries get a mention. I don't get it. -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 12:56:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63134 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 19:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 19:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 19:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 19:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 19:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 19:56:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:56:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47F62D45.3070002@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.55.176 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ReNRn4OC3r1ZsWAAkW40bNB7qLDL6KaLfYdLdTElOUti1yfozA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > > really?!? wow, that would be something. ive wondered why more=20 flyers=20 > > havent been built. im assuming its because of the loading issues.=20 >=20 > It's because riding them is like having a bear-trap snap shut on your=20 > "goodies".. >=20 > Cameron. I still like Air. Supes? Not so much. Probably because 6F tends to=20 stack the trains so much and I don't like hanging there.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 12:56:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20054 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 19:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 19:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 19:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 19:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 19:56:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:56:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47F62D45.3070002@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.55.176 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=YrBsEgrjjr0tEUjg4pk0hRHmnxxGZoXdVxxdc5urkwlhbiYANg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > > really?!? wow, that would be something. ive wondered why more=20 flyers=20 > > havent been built. im assuming its because of the loading issues.=20 >=20 > It's because riding them is like having a bear-trap snap shut on your=20 > "goodies".. >=20 > Cameron. I still like Air. Supes? Not so much. Probably because 6F tends to=20 stack the trains so much and I don't like hanging there.=20 Chris From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 13:36:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9328 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 20:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 20:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 20:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 20:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 20:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 20:36:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:36:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.92.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=BaGhMbLp9ZCzhrEZytYrba4Jx3KvKmGixTsPvMrJJ8TAobJ0qChaoSuVFA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > > really?!? wow, that would be something. ive wondered why more=20 flyers > > > havent been built. im assuming its because of the loading=20 issues. >=20 > > It's because riding them is like having a bear-trap snap shut on=20 your > > "goodies".. >=20 > I highly doubt that's the issue. I've never had a problem with a=20 B&M flyer. >=20 > I'm guessing more haven't been built because there are just better > (read: more appealing to a mass audience) options out there. With > Central Florida featuring just about every style of B&M coaster, > though, a flyer should work well there I think. >=20 > -Nate > after their suspendeds, the flyers are my favorite, even if i did get=20 stuck hanging upside down after the final break run on Superman at=20 SFOG once for about 15 minutes. it does sort of turn into a torture=20 experiment after a while.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 13:40:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71248 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 20:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 20:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 20:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 20:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 20:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 20:40:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:40:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.92.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: speaing of Jungala X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=443nw8X6FqBHTyLV2rs-cEJW9yDcctiKMWbM8021NGEDwykK75rkk5oszg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 this was in today's Tampa Bay Times; Busch Gardens' Jungala meets your wildest dreams=20 By Jeff Klinkenberg, Times Staff Writer=20 Published Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:17 PM TAMPA =97 I have lived most all my life in Florida. The glorious=20 results of a misspent youth include getting uncomfortably close to=20 panthers and bobcats, black widow spiders and rattlesnakes, bears and=20 crocodiles. One time I grabbed an alligator by the tail just to see=20 how it would react. I may have been a stupid teenager, but I still=20 have all my limbs.=20 But at the age of 58 =97 gray hair and achy joints still take me by=20 surprise =97 I never expected to be stalked by a tiger.=20 It happened days ago when I sneaked a peek at Jungala, the new Busch=20 Gardens attraction opening Saturday.=20 My cocky self was standing behind thick glass when the tiger, about=20 100 feet away, noticed. It immediately crouched, shoulders hunched,=20 ears pinned back =97 the classic "I'm about to attack" cat behavior.=20 In my mind, I knew I was safe. In my heart, I felt like food.=20 The tiger's rear legs inched slowly into "spring" position, the way=20 I've seen a domestic cat prepare to pounce on a toy.=20 Then it came at me.=20 =95 =95 =95=20 I love Florida tourist attractions, mostly the old ones such as=20 Gatorland, near Orlando, and the St. Augustine Alligator Farm. Both=20 are still wonderful and going strong. My favorite old-timers =97 the=20 Miami Serpentarium, the Cypress Knee Museum and Ross Allen's Reptile=20 Institute =97 have vanished. I am pleased that Coral Castle in Miami,=20 and Cypress Gardens in Winter Haven, while long in the tooth, at=20 least hang on.=20 Busch Gardens, an African-themed amusement park, opened in 1959. The=20 following year my family visited from Miami. My parents headed for=20 the beer garden while my brother and I amused ourselves by riding up=20 what had to be the world's tallest escalator while stabbing each=20 other with rubber spears.=20 I am hardly a corporate theme park kind of guy, but I reserve a place=20 of honor for Busch Gardens in my heart. I have always appreciated the=20 diversity of experience on tap there, from the free beer to the=20 African savannahs and accompanying animals =97 not to mention those=20 spectacular rides. One day I'm going to treat myself to a trip on the=20 terrifying SheiKra. The hair-raising, 3-minute upside down journey on=20 the newest roller coaster will be worth the three hours of violent=20 nausea that surely will follow.=20 =95 =95 =95=20 Jungala is a theme park within a theme park, a generic jungle with=20 all the trappings. Adults will enjoy it, but I can't wait to return=20 with grandchildren who will love it, mostly for what may be the=20 world's largest jungle gym, the multistory rope tubes in which=20 scrappy kids (and ambitious adults) can climb until their fingertips=20 surrender.=20 But wasn't I telling you about a tiger?=20 Jungala features the best display of tigers I have ever seen. A dozen=20 fierce cats wander three large areas that include waterfalls, ponds=20 and cliffs.=20 I promise you =97 fragile visitor =97 that you will gulp at the approach=20 of the first tiger.=20 Park planners tell me that what happened last December in San=20 Francisco, where a tiger escaped its pen and killed a zoo visitor,=20 cannot happen in Tampa. The walls are high and thick. Escape-proof.=20 Yet, for moments here and there, you may experience doubt. For me, a=20 Florida boy who values the wild and the untamed, doubt happens to be=20 a plus.=20 The tiger, a 350-pound male, charged right up to the 1-inch-thick=20 glass and gave me the once over. Its head was enormous, its paws as=20 wide across as a dinner plate. Its spine must have been 40 inches or=20 more above the ground. It was magnificent yet monstrous.=20 I instinctively giggled and stepped back.=20 I wondered at that moment, and I wonder still, about which might be=20 the superior being on this planet.=20 The tiger, held in bondage for the amusement of humanity, seemed=20 absolutely unimpressed with me, a reasonably evolved (but don't ask=20 my wife) member of Homo sapiens.=20 In another time, in a place favorable to tigers, everything might be=20 different. The tiger might ambush Mister Smarty Pants, bite him=20 fatally on the neck and drag him into the brush for a bloody feast.=20 The tiger would waste not an instant on regret.=20 Few of us visit amusement parks to experience existential humility.=20 I will take my lessons where I can get them. A tiger makes a=20 wonderful instructor.=20 By the numbers:=20 4 Acres, size of the new area=20 3 New animal habitats (Bengal tigers, orangutans and "Kulu Canopy''=20 for northern white-cheeked crested gibbons, flying foxes and=20 gharials)=20 14 Passengers who can ride at one time on Wild Surge, a pneumatic=20 ride that launches riders out of a mountain crater=20 42 Inches of height required for solo riders on Wild Surge=20 50 Feet above the park that kids age 6 to 13 will ride on Jungle=20 Flyers, a zip line=20 220 Pounds allowed per person on Jungle Flyers=20 3 Stories in Tree Top Trails, a family play area with climbing nets,=20 bridges, crawl tubes, a multilevel maze and a water play area=20 2 New restaurants=20 at Jungala=20 From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 17:42:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15012 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 00:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 00:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 00:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 00:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 00:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 00:42:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:42:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.59.74.218 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=cFBMyT66pRjhrCwASYZPRJNjdGnqFPBC-zWWr36R5TNmUxuIH8eL8juyerYj X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back Although I'm pretty much a lurker here, I really like the anniversary reminders. My website (pastrides.webs.com) has a widget-y thing from CoasterBuzz about things in amusement park history on this day, but then this group gives other things that weren't on there. I love amusement park history-type stuff, and I like all of the reminders from RCT(alk, not Tycoon!) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Are the anniversary reminders that much of a nuisance that we, as a > > group, would like to sacrifice the potential discussions that they may > > spark? >=20 > Have these anniversay reminders ever resulted in any major > discussions? I'm not denying they have, but I certainly don't > remember that ever happening. How many conversations can "On this day > 50 years ago, park A opened" really spark? >=20 > I don't know where these reminders came from, but the reminders that > were chosen really boggles the mind. Not nearly all of the major > parks in the United States have reminders, yet obscure FEC's in far > away countries get a mention. I don't get it. >=20 > -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 04 19:13:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35965 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 02:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 02:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.230) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 02:13:15 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so335466wra.1 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.172.6 with SMTP id z6mr939310rvo.54.1207361594435; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 19:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 21:13:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=GBDU6hJl2IizoxEklVYFhYVF865DurHGqluj8SHgqUvG5V4JU-x-_vk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Although I'm pretty much a lurker here, I really like the anniversary > reminders. My website (pastrides.webs.com) has a widget-y thing from > CoasterBuzz about things in amusement park history on this day, but > then this group gives other things that weren't on there. I love > amusement park history-type stuff, and I like all of the reminders > from RCT(alk, not Tycoon!) Okay, but my point still stands...does ANYONE care about Veejay land? :) -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 04 19:35:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83286 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 02:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 02:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 02:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JhyFZ-00060Q-5J for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:35:25 -0400 Message-ID: <47F6E49F.30208@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:31:59 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1207288211.17.25412.m43@yahoogroups.com> <76e1ec0a0804041010maba1b58xe3fcbc9ea06093f@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0804041026u2a145916tc595fd557e7b5645@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47887a5dba1e6b14d0a596d7c242c62527780e7c9e016ab1175350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FsxMkSxVNei2wRQ4f_Rn0i2MRTlLIOVw0auDfZ_5Rvm3w80 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > Are the anniversary reminders that much of a nuisance that we, as a > > group, would like to sacrifice the potential discussions that they may > > spark? > > Have these anniversay reminders ever resulted in any major > discussions? I'm not denying they have, but I certainly don't > remember that ever happening. How many conversations can "On this day > 50 years ago, park A opened" really spark? There have certainly been a couple of good discussions that have started because of the reminders, but not all reminders lead to one. It's been interesting seeing this discussion also. I'd love to have more input from more people. Please, don't hesitate to speak up. > > I don't know where these reminders came from, but the reminders that > were chosen really boggles the mind. Not nearly all of the major > parks in the United States have reminders, yet obscure FEC's in far > away countries get a mention. I don't get it. The reminders are sent out based on the dates that are input into the group calendar. If you want to see date reminders sent out for something, then by all means please add them into the calendar. Heck, the same thing could be used for, say, a 2 weeks until HoliWood Nights, or other events as well. But it's very much dependant on others putting the dates in. If there's one that seems a bit silly, like this one, they can always be edited. You can also see a list of other things that happened on this date (e.g. for today, Riddler's Revenge opened, Change opened, Drachen Fire opened, and Wildfire opened) I'll have to check adn see if there isn't a way to put all of the "anniversaries" into one "on this day" email. Not sure if it'll do that or not. Other input? Suggestions? Likes? dislikes? The more we hear from, the better it will be for everyone. So please, don't hesitate to speak up, even if you're usually a quiet one. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 08:37:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45912 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 15:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 15:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 15:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 15:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 15:37:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:37:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=o7iKKUcU8TMHGt70ERJIGMroJdopZM-C0EoTfZHVfgfSDJg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 To clarify: 1) I'm the one who has put the Anniversary Notices on the site. It is a function of the Calendar (at which basically no one looks). 2) There ARE "more important dates" listed like Disneyland's opening. However, since they only happen once a year, they may not be that noticeable. 3) Since many of us are concerned about the entire Amusement industry, and not just the Big 4, I'm taking the non-discriminating approach and including everyone. 4) There are MANY dates not listed, because there is no "official" opening dates for many Parks. I've also included Park Closings where "official" dates can be found. 5) I did consider doing the same for individual Roller Coasters, but there are just too many, and again, there are many with no "official" opening or closing dates. However, I have included (some) significant Coaster openings & closing IF they are considered to a "first" of some kind. I hope this helps to explain my actions. Sorry, if anyone is feeling put upon (sarcasm intended). -End of rant. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > > > Title: Veega Land opened >=20 > I don't mean to complain, but what the heck is with all of these > anniversary notices? I can see sending notices for some of the more > important dates (like the opening of Disneyland, for instance) but > individual rides? And "Veega Land" of all places?! I've never even > heard of Veega Land! (And, to be honest, I couldn't really care less > about Veega Land). >=20 > Anyone else have thoughts on this? >=20 > -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 15:57:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99243 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 22:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 22:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 22:57:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54397 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2008 22:57:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h3g5gWoVM1kQAuY4o5NfRzBYTH2gzgDOim7AHuNBmV6dhmHTEG.LAIzbAnBIcIW2ag-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:57:23 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:57:23 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=8UcL7PFYG7VDLZTtmTBNoaC--h37vHTL18JwCyc2atada0WJ8VS0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >does ANYONE care about Veejay land? :) < Perhaps the folks at MTV do. :-) Actually, I don't mind these notices at all. If I find one I'm not interested in, I just skip over it. No big deal. I'd rather have the notices appear and perhaps spark a discussion (like this) than not have any at all. Jay --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 16:06:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42718 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.8.142 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: SFNE keeps jumping X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9G9Ws4DpI4buEhY-TSZSesw0x9gooGO4qL_iE_h73aAZEi1BaXty X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme More hurdles are "cleared," but who knows how many more will pop up? There's one comment in particular that caught my attention. A guy on the Appeals Board said, "It's a unique ride, the only ride in Massachusetts that has the ride on the inside (of a building). It changes the whole complex." What about dark rides? Those are rides inside a building, and they've been around a long time. (Pirate's Park still has one, and plenty of carnivals do as well.) For that matter, a carousel is a ride inside a building. He probably specifically meant "coaster," but even then an indoor coaster isn't that unusual -- maybe just for the Appeals Board. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 16:47:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91158 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 23:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 23:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 23:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 23:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 23:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 23:47:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:47:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.55.176 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: SFNE keeps jumping X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=h-LyIQUC7YRPIa6Q9E3Ar819AED0eZVOhXMHEP63MOTHX2IrIw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > More hurdles are "cleared," but who knows how many more will pop up? >=20 >=20 >=20 > There's one comment in particular that caught my attention. A guy=20 on > the Appeals Board said, "It's a unique ride, the only ride in > Massachusetts that has the ride on the inside (of a building). It > changes the whole complex." >=20 > What about dark rides? Those are rides inside a building, and=20 they've > been around a long time. (Pirate's Park still has one, and plenty=20 of > carnivals do as well.) For that matter, a carousel is a ride=20 inside a > building. He probably specifically meant "coaster," but even then=20 an > indoor coaster isn't that unusual -- maybe just for the Appeals=20 Board. >=20 > Jay > 1. I know it's gone now, but there was a Jeeper's in Methuen, MA, so=20 this isn't the first time there's been an indoor coaster in MA.=20 2. I thought Pirate's Park was completely gone? It was only a few=20 miles from my hometown, and although it's been a few years since I=20 drove up to Salisbury Beach, I could swear that I've been told by a=20 few people that it's been closed for a while now.=20 Chris From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Apr 05 22:50:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21047 invoked by uid 7800); 6 Apr 2008 05:50:18 -0000 Date: 6 Apr 2008 05:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1207461018.10.21046.m56@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=DycWQw27hUASF1207461013-1" --YCalReminder=DycWQw27hUASF1207461013-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=DSxF4TwHcSDuvZUxDyhJ1VRUYWL1207461013-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Apr 06 15:35:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14736 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 22:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 22:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 22:35:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63120 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2008 22:35:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: O3OkNlkVM1lsijlbczv4W.hoVz81N.yNijKUlQ9j0IOWJ_6CTa.acWXvu1S3TePA9uxc_6MAMUZIvRSDQJ.eOlHVFvui18mk_Jz0DJdTqcw8F.FM9lnlml16lbUrCu_Htsc568MRI6uQp1ca5cLLO801HQ-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:35:13 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:35:13 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1207514625.3773.65832.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <200629.62610.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: SFNE keeps jumping X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=cz9bl2ciZBEFqHmrVrY04GF1v12BHFrqO97SOCH78aJVdOLVq8a5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 2. I thought Pirate's Park was completely gone? It was only a few miles from my hometown, and although it's been a few years since I drove up to Salisbury Beach, I could swear that I've been told by a few people that it's been closed for a while now. < I thought it was still open, but their website is gone. They seemed to be doing okay, and they still had the original Dodgem car ride. It would be a shame if they closed down. Does anyone remember the big wood coaster that used to be at Salisbury Beach (where Pirate's Fun Park eventually went)? I was too young (and scared) to ride it at the time. But it looked really impressive. Jay --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Apr 06 16:39:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99694 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 23:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 23:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.139) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 23:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 23:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 23:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 23:39:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:39:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200629.62610.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.55.176 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: SFNE keeps jumping X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=QwmqZ60tuzcwGZ1uF4bXbXSnMcPS_lhog9zDtTCtZEmz6f091w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > 2. I thought Pirate's Park was completely gone? It was only a few=20 > miles from my hometown, and although it's been a few years since I=20 > drove up to Salisbury Beach, I could swear that I've been told by a=20 > few people that it's been closed for a while now. < >=20 > I thought it was still open, but their website is gone. They=20 seemed to be doing okay, and they still had the original Dodgem car=20 ride. It would be a shame if they closed down. >=20 > Does anyone remember the big wood coaster that used to be at=20 Salisbury Beach (where Pirate's Fun Park eventually went)? I was too=20 young (and scared) to ride it at the time. But it looked really=20 impressive. >=20 > Jay RCDB has Pirate's Fun Park as closed since 2004. James 'CanobieFan'=20 Nocito is the person who'd told me it closed a few years back...=20 Salisbury Beach's woodie was a Herbert Schmeck designed PTC Wildcat.=20 That's from the ACE Forgotten Legacy book, at least. It was=20 demolished when I was four, and I never knew of it's existence until=20 I got that book at last year's No Coaster.=20 Sadly, it's just another sad chapter in the legacy of lost=20 Massachusetts parks and coasters.=20 Chris From the Schmeck Book: (1927) Schmeck trekked up the coast to Salisbury Beach to stake out=20 the property for another Wildcat. This coaster was built for the=20 Dodgem company that began in 1920 in Salisbury Beach.=20=20 (1941) Schmeck broke out the blueprints for the Wildcat. The ride was=20 in need of repair, and the Dodgem Company wanted to preserve it.=20 Several changes were made: He changed the double out and back=20 profile, redesigning the speed hops and turns, which took out the=20 majority of the wildness. The rehabilitated coaster reopened in 1941=20 under the new name Comet, only to be damaged by a major fire that=20 destroyed the adjacent Dodgem ride in 1948. The Dodgem Company built=20 a new Dodgem and repaired the coaster. The coaster and the Dodgem=20 remained in operation until 1973 and the Comet was razed in 1976.=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Apr 06 17:17:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84413 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 00:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 00:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 00:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 00:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 00:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 00:17:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:17:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.55.176 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: UPDATE: Working at Cliff's - Training Day 1 & 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Q97Du878uLgv6rRvBbOviU3G4vzFDYD8Atd7BT8RH3BV6qVVrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > TRAINING DAY 1 > So, my first day of training was a big one. We went over 5 rides=20 that day. > -Alan Sounds like my weekend, Alan. Yesterday, I recertified to operate=20 general kiddies, (about 1/2 the kiddy rides fall into that category)=20 certified to operate Ricochet (Huss Swingaround) and River Rocker=20 (Zamperla Galleon).=20 Today was Triple Play (Huss Troika) and Giant Drop. My home unit is=20 actually Raging Bull this year, but it's getting a complete repaint=20 this year and isn't ready for us to cycle it yet.=20=20 Around the park, I've seen some minor retracking on both woodies,=20 refurbs of both gift shops at the front of the park, and of course=20 construction of the Dark Knight's building.=20 Chris From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 07:11:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16008 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 14:02:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 14:02:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.176) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 14:02:19 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j27so1178693elf.11 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:02:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.29.21 with SMTP id g21mr1440365rvj.225.1207576938057; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:02:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=qE6hMngyUEipBTIjLHtrxCJqnInFbhYDDvU-DjMXk7knwUFJudsbYhk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I'd rather have the notices appear and perhaps spark a discussion (like this) than > not have any at all. To be fair, this isn't exactly an on-topic discussion. I see that you can pull up the group site and view the calendar quite easily, which gives you a full list of "events" for the day. Two questions: 1) Some have "reminders" set to send out annual emails announcing the event. What criteria is used to determine which events deserve reminders and which don't? 2) If one can easily view the calendar on the group site and see ALL of the day's events, what's the point of having them sent out via email to those who don't really care? Is that really necessary? -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 08:14:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22580 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 15:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 15:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 15:01:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 15:01:29 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 15:01:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 15:01:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:01:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rHswCA9daRGJl6lry6nfugwZpqLx_QRuKguP_kXfwUXtCZw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Nate, Like I ALREADY SAID in my post of April 5th: "4) There are MANY dates not listed, because there is no "official" opening dates for many Parks. I've also included Park Closings where "official" dates can be found. 5) I did consider doing the same for individual Roller Coasters, but there are just too many, and again, there are many with no "official" opening or closing dates. However, I have included (some) significant Coaster openings & closing IF they are considered to [be] a "first" of some kind." THAT is the "criteria" I'm using. As far as the Calendar goes, I took it upon MYSELF to do this as a (perceived) benefit to this community. And with the discussion regarding this thread, there are those who do like it! If YOU don't like them, DON'T READ THEM, DELETE THEM, or take it upon yourself to change ALL of the calender setting YOURSELF! If it sounds like I'm pissed, your right! I've done this out of the goodness of my heart (and with several days worth of work). I'm also under just a little bit of stress right now, and I don't need your crap! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > I'd rather have the notices appear and perhaps spark a discussion (like this) than > not have any at all. >=20 > To be fair, this isn't exactly an on-topic discussion. I see that you > can pull up the group site and view the calendar quite easily, which > gives you a full list of "events" for the day. Two questions: >=20 > 1) Some have "reminders" set to send out annual emails announcing the > event. What criteria is used to determine which events deserve > reminders and which don't? >=20 > 2) If one can easily view the calendar on the group site and see ALL > of the day's events, what's the point of having them sent out via > email to those who don't really care? Is that really necessary? >=20 > -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 08:36:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71285 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 15:26:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 15:26:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.175) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 15:26:28 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so1457623wfa.7 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:26:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.166.1 with SMTP id o1mr1109970wfe.247.1207581987690; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.185.6 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:26:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=M-uwACg2YSVsx9jeSU6GvhNRM07KFltoeIYPHymcBnUOSeBGtwGbPgg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Nate, > Like I ALREADY SAID in my post of April 5th: me-OW! Seriously, Alan, there's no need to get so defensive... > "4) There are MANY dates not listed, because there is no "official" > opening dates for many Parks. I've also included Park Closings where > "official" dates can be found. Yes, I read that in your original post. I didn't ask anything about this. > 5) I did consider doing the same for individual Roller Coasters, but > there are just too many, and again, there are many with no "official" > opening or closing dates. However, I have included (some) significant > Coaster openings & closing IF they are considered to [be] a "first" of > some kind." Again, I think you need to re-read my post, because you're answers don't address either of the questions I asked. > If YOU don't like them, DON'T READ THEM, DELETE THEM, or take it upon > yourself to change ALL of the calender setting YOURSELF! Conversely, if there are those who are that interested in the calendar and events, why not let those people visit the calendar section (where they can view ALL of the day's events) and leave those who aren't interested alone by not sending out daily reminders? > If it sounds like I'm pissed, your right! I've done this out of the > goodness of my heart (and with several days worth of work). I'm also > under just a little bit of stress right now, and I don't need your crap! Dude, cool it. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Apr 07 11:54:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88602 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 18:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 18:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 18:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JiwD1-0001lU-Ta for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:36:48 -0400 Message-ID: <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:33:20 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47887a5dba1e6b14d0a2b28d86c55495e2620dc23739b1d89a5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=aLZGfv70c9QPg4piWpDlswx_T8gPnbmZStNm94Z1cYfQe04 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ok, now, both of you. Deep breath... :) Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > I'd rather have the notices appear and perhaps spark a discussion > (like this) than > not have any at all. > > To be fair, this isn't exactly an on-topic discussion. I see that you > can pull up the group site and view the calendar quite easily, which > gives you a full list of "events" for the day. Two questions: Going to the group site is one option to see the dates, just as it is to also read and reply to the posts, post pictures, etc. > > 1) Some have "reminders" set to send out annual emails announcing the > event. What criteria is used to determine which events deserve > reminders and which don't? The wierd thing is, as I've been going through, I'm not seeing many of the ones that we've received set to send out reminders. I've only found a couple and those were for "major" parks opening or closing. I'm honestly a bit baffled as to why a few have been sent out, such as the most recent one, when they weren't set to send out a reminder. At least not as I could tell. I'm thinking that it's one of those weird Yahoo things that crops up sometimes. > > 2) If one can easily view the calendar on the group site and see ALL > of the day's events, what's the point of having them sent out via > email to those who don't really care? Is that really necessary? > There are a number of people that can not access the site from where they read the emails. We have people that have signed up via email and never gone to the site at all. For people like me, I like receiving them in my email. I have also received a couple of notes from others that have said the same. If I have a choice of reading email or visitng the site to see what's on it, I tend to settle for just the email, and I know I'm not the only one. I would miss a lot of interesting tidbits if it was only available on the site. But again, that's why I want to hear from as many as possible as to what they like. So far I've heard from exactly 10 people out of over 300 on the list. That's not enough to make any decisions one way or the other. As my count now sits, I've got 4 against emails (and yes Nate, that includes you. and 6 for them. Keep in mind that if we end up getting more responses to not send out the reminders that it's going to take a lot of work to go through and make sure that all of them are set correctly, and there's a lot there. But, as Alan said, if you're not interested you're always welcome to delete them or set a filter in your email program to shuffle anything with the words "Anniversary Reminder" into your junk mail folder. :) But please, where are the rest of you? I want to hear your opinions also. keep on ridin' George From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 12:36:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49180 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 19:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 19:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 19:24:56 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 11so605803tim.7 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:24:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.155.13 with SMTP id c13mr2877081ybe.219.1207596294843; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30804071224q2dfb7a9cme5c6e3f297b00db8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:24:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=mJF40Ls397w52t3aFXk4A0YlgGQqf-Zkgvl7rLM5nK5MkxvL X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 4/7/08, george burnash wrote: > > But please, where are the rest of you? I want to hear your opinions also. > > keep on ridin' > George Don't care. I know where my delete button is and use it liberally. Beth From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 13:05:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90350 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 19:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 19:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 19:51:40 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e21so2049112rng.6 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.141.3 with SMTP id t3mr1761646rvn.226.1207597899353; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:51:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=8L0kmAd-EcWCr5dSUZ-52IoJeubgoUSm5x1XoqgrEx1eisOxLIzmkIM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The wierd thing is, as I've been going through, I'm not seeing many of > the ones that we've received set to send out reminders. I've only found > a couple and those were for "major" parks opening or closing. I'm > honestly a bit baffled as to why a few have been sent out, such as the > most recent one, when they weren't set to send out a reminder. Which are you referring to? Unless I'm missing some, we've gotten the following notices since April 1: -Medusa opening (4/2) -Veega Land opening (4/4) -Galixi opening (4/6) -Presque Warner Madrid opening (4/6) All of those were set to have reminders sent out on the group site. Here's my point clarified (and please understand I mean no offense...): If you really want to know what happened on this day in history, it's pretty easy to navigate to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk. By doing that, you'll get to see ALL of the day's anniversaries and not just the random ones that (by some arbitrary or yet-unexplained criteria) have been set to be e-mailed annually. I do not understand why some anniversarys are set to be e-mailed and some are not. There are a whopping EIGHT anniversaries for today. Why two were sent as notices and six were not remains unexplained. The criteria seems either baffling or arbitrary. Why the opening of a Galaxi and not the opening of the first state-side B&M flyer? Why Veega land of all places? Again, I can understand reminders being sent out for the most major events (ie Disneyland). But I simply don't care about a Galaxi or Veega Land or any number of others. I highly doubt I'm alone on that. If there was an opt-out, that'd be nice. Unfortunately there isn't. No, it's not difficult to delete an unwanted message. It's also not difficult to navigate to the group site to see them (especially if it's bookmarked). I also think the last thing anyone wants is more unwanted e-mail in their inbox every day. This kind of thing works on Coasterbuzz or whatever where it's displayed at the bottom of the page everyone wants to visit. I do not think it works for an e-mail-based group. And if nearly half of the people find it bothersome... -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 13:31:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65216 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 20:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 20:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 20:16:24 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y18so384245gvf.17 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.143.3 with SMTP id v3mr2916328ybn.176.1207599382427; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.143.7 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0804071316x3fd2f099rb696702fe91dd26c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:16:22 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=kRkoA9JAWN1MHYzfxHcXakvUAANFK9iGaalZfwHeWV2votY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I'm with Nate here. Although, I will say that Veega Land (http://tinyurl.com/5kk8sf) was a definitely a watershed in amusement park conceptualization... Adam From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 14:16:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77471 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 20:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 20:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 20:54:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31051 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2008 20:54:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fuPcx5EVM1ncJM4_x5CrrqgpNRNOsMX9mKQIyF2pa4vBtW1JWnTiqv78AO9CRWKjUd_HEq3gbCppJiapMK370MgWSkOdkCJUhuQ88pJoFO50UK6VUq.wfVcrprhozA-- X-Received: from [24.140.11.171] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:54:13 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:54:13 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0804071316x3fd2f099rb696702fe91dd26c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <641077.30273.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=hXmMbmvTRE4VFhPD0WxrOhTanYVxEyNn81VjtnApZs_xY6WpQ6wPiqlljbZKFpX2 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I can simply delete the Reminders if I don't have time to look at them. Some of them are quite interesting though. The thing I find amusing is that the Anniversary Reminders have started a discussion that has now gone on for days, where as some discussions don't last longer than 1 or two hours. I guess the thought that the reminders could start discussions is proven by what this has turned into. Keep on talking. Wiley There is no better sound than that of a wooden rollercoaster climbing the first hill. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Apr 07 16:44:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73118 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 23:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 23:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 23:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jj10g-0003G4-M9 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:44:23 -0400 Message-ID: <47FAB107.1030701@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47887a5dba1e6b14d0a3524f6568f9e541ef64d8163e100aab2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=8V2DvTgPSjSZJv6cUSW60_tCfNsAjpjo86gfip-WULQhJXo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > If you really want to know what happened on this day in history, it's > pretty easy to navigate to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk. > By doing that, > you'll get to see ALL of the day's anniversaries and not just the > random ones that (by some arbitrary or yet-unexplained criteria) have > been set to be e-mailed annually. Yes, assuming that you are at a place that will allow you to surf the web as opposed to just receive email. Believe it or not there are people on the list who receive it at work or other places that, while email is accessible, the internet is not. And some of us are lazy and prefer it in an inbox rather than checking the site every other day. But then that's already been covered. :) > > I do not understand why some anniversarys are set to be e-mailed and > some are not. There are a whopping EIGHT anniversaries for today. > Why two were sent as notices and six were not remains unexplained. > The criteria seems either baffling or arbitrary. Why the opening of a > Galaxi and not the opening of the first state-side B&M flyer? Why > Veega land of all places? And this is what I was trying to explain earlier. Yes, Yahoo sent out notices on those. However the settings, as I have checked them on both my admin account and my "normal member" account were NOT set to send out reminders. Veega land was not supposed to send out a reminder, and it's a complete mystery to me why it ever did. There isn't any "criteria"- none of them are supposed to be sending out reminders at this point, at least as far as I can tell. And I don't know why some are and some aren't. I've gone through over 100 different events on the calendar now- both past and present, and I haven't found one yet that was supposed to have gone out. I'm working now on sending out some notes to the moderator group and tech groups to see if I can get some answers on that. You want an explanation? So would I. Right now there isn't one. Sorry. One thing I had heard, but can't find in any form, was that there was some way to send out all of the "reminders" or "events" for the day in one email, so you would receive all 8 of those previously mentioned items, but you would receive them as one email instead of 8. Or two. Or whatever. But apparently that's not available right now or I'm missing the fix for it. Still looking when I have time though. I also understand why Alan is upset as he took a lot of time and effort to get all of those entered into the calendar. If you take a look at it, there's a heck of a lot of dates and info there, and I'm very appreciative of his work there. Just want to make sure Alan knows that. And I"m sure you remember Nate how thankless a job things like that are. :) I'll keep looking, checking, and asking and see what I can find out. IN the meantime I'm still enjoying the notes I'm getting. My tallies now are: Don't like it: 5 Like it: 6 Don't care either way: 2 We're up to 13 out of 350. Keep them coming. :) keep on ridin' George From coastermanokc@cox.net Mon Apr 07 18:16:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77734 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 01:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 01:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao101.cox.net) (68.230.240.7) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 01:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080408011643.WYII880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:16:43 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.95.62]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id ApGh1Z00U1LkdGs02pGh9J; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:16:42 -0400 To: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:16:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: AciZFi/CmWNVZWyrTbaTgPmPJ/KPaw== Message-Id: <20080408011643.WYII880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: [Roller Coaster Talk]NEWS: New Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=WQZBHc5h3fSJcWCXscnKqV_3uFESXtmjTxZxTWb0U3zRYuggewRdQA X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is sort of old news but Frontier City (my home park) announced that this year they will get a new roller coaster. It is going to be a Vekoma Jr. Inverted coaster (apparently with the same layout as Jimmy Neutron at Movie World in Germany (this part is according to the roller coaster database (rcdb.com))). It will also feature Vekoma's new restraints. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 18:53:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20635 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 01:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 01:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.239) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 01:50:55 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so1754757wri.12 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:50:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.180.11 with SMTP id c11mr19830rvf.166.1207619454943; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:50:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47FAB107.1030701@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> <47FAB107.1030701@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=GqUosPf3XmIuUru1hc3gfGIJdGSRPnPbwmnNK8wUP55ZGisrMrbburw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > And this is what I was trying to explain earlier. Yes, Yahoo sent out > notices on those. However the settings, as I have checked them on both > my admin account and my "normal member" account were NOT set to send out > reminders. Veega land was not supposed to send out a reminder, and it's > a complete mystery to me why it ever did. I think you're looking at it incorrectly. The "bell"/alarm symbol next to the Veega Land event (and others) means an annual announcement will be sent out. When you hover over it with your mouse, it displays "Reminder". So my question was why some were given reminders and some weren't? (I'd rather have them all without reminders, but I think we've sufficiently covered that :-p ). -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 18:54:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8944 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 01:54:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 01:54:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.238) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 01:54:53 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so1620619wxd.15 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.201.1 with SMTP id y1mr1882569rvf.200.1207619692979; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:54:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080408011643.WYII880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080408011643.WYII880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] [Roller Coaster Talk]NEWS: New Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Y0FmQI7v1SYa-NRuDdnC3YYFsqbDosgZHv2t83BavrPBJ8hM7GxPuig X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This is sort of old news but Frontier City (my home park) announced that > this year they will get a new roller coaster. It is going to be a Vekoma Jr. > Inverted coaster When was that announced? This is the first I've heard of it! This seems like it could be a good fit for that park, but what a *tiny* coaster compared to the other Vekoma family inverted coasters. The stats don't seem that much smaller than the others (IE Rugrats Runaway Reptar), but it sure looks smaller. And significantly less exciting. :) -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 20:38:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2983 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 03:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 03:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 03:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 03:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 03:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 03:38:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:38:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47FAB107.1030701@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.14.79.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=R5Vc9t2K1hzQfxP3drF4osx_oEHktDMBLZXjExABGJ7k-cjMjw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > I'll keep looking, checking, and asking and see what I can find out.=20=20 IN=20 > the meantime I'm still enjoying the notes I'm getting. My tallies=20 now are: > Don't like it: 5 > Like it: 6 > Don't care either way: 2 >=20 > We're up to 13 out of 350. Keep them coming. :) >=20 > keep on ridin' > George I still check all the messages at the group site, (I swear, I must be=20 the only person who does!) and although I find that a couple of the=20 anniversary reminders have been pretty lame, most are at least vaguely=20 interesting. (I liked the Galaxi one, although my first thought was=20 that it should have included a caveat: the coaster is obviously a=20 ripoff of Schwarzkopf's Wildcat models.) Either way, I agree that it's=20 so easy to click that calendar button on the left side of my screen if=20 I want to know what happened today in the amusement industry, that if=20 these were showing up in my e-mail, I'd be pissed, too.=20 George is reminding me of that one poll I did. I pimped that poll for=20 weeks, and only got like 25 responses! :D Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 20:44:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19525 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 03:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 03:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 03:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 03:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 03:44:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:44:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.14.79.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: [Roller Coaster Talk]NEWS: New Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=tdGmtYpcSx2DU5Gvns6RcQpXLVd0MNb-dRaaBYlVBcE32zYfKg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > This is sort of old news but Frontier City (my home park)=20 announced that > > this year they will get a new roller coaster. It is going to be a=20 Vekoma Jr. > > Inverted coaster >=20 > When was that announced? This is the first I've heard of it! >=20 > This seems like it could be a good fit for that park, but what a > *tiny* coaster compared to the other Vekoma family inverted=20 coasters. > The stats don't seem that much smaller than the others (IE Rugrats > Runaway Reptar), but it sure looks smaller. And significantly less > exciting. :) >=20 > -Nate > I think the press release went out Tuesday? The funniest bit is that=20 this is apparently the first ride ever installed at FC that wasn't a=20 previously used ride! Chris=20 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 07:11:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79159 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 14:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 14:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 14:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:11:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:11:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0804071316x3fd2f099rb696702fe91dd26c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.230.110.207 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=As9DQkPGWH7590b27jynsvj8n_iTX5CbKPYnQEehOs6Nq-HQsUXs X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wrote: > > I'm with Nate here. Although, I will say that Veega Land > (http://tinyurl.com/5kk8sf) was a definitely a watershed in amusement > park conceptualization... While I don't have the vehemence of Nate, by and large I'm in the "anti" crowd. I might be more interested if it were only big anniversaries of rides or coasters. I might be interested in finding out the anniversary of the first Galaxi once, but I wouldn't need to be reminded every year. I think the year is more interesting than the date --- let's face it, most openings are in Spring, and most closings are at the end of Summer. Whether it's April 8th or April 15th or whatever doesn't interest me; the fact that it was 1968 does.=20 All the same, this is more like a reference thing than something I need to be reminded of in a message. I did not realize the list was available to peruse at my own leisure. Maybe better than sending out emails for the individual events might be a periodic mailing (like once a month) from the administrator highlighting the features that can be found in the group's archives. That way I might be reminded that the events list exists and take a look at it myself. As it is, most of the anniversaries just make me shrug and hit the "next" button (I use the yahoogroups interface). Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From lance@screamscape.com Tue Apr 08 07:15:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14402 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 14:15:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 14:15:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 14:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2B66BB8B5 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 07:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47f36ff5.1f7adb for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 07:15:00 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH+33kkh8m3AIAAAAB,d31d2ed388a1d54afca06986fea8567a Message-ID: <6340DAD2E32A4E4E8839529D5989DCDA@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <1207432599.2957.68105.m45@yahoogroups.com> <539127.52378.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <47FA68F0.6050009@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:15:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=LofdUgQDUWqXVLAJPcjWao63MczIp-x19iSf2fVG5ZjO-QCtlhPsqiM_Xg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>But please, where are the rest of you? I want to hear your opinions also. Honestly I don't mind them... I never look at the web based version of the site and the occasional "reminder" email is an easy thing to glance at and delete if I'm not interested in that particular topic, so I'm inclined to keep them. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Apr 08 11:00:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12590 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 17:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 17:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta10.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 17:48:27 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta10.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01423FDEB for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.47f36e5a.20a0bf for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:48:27 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH+6/r3lMqTAIAAAAB,8b4b22a1994d3384c07f4644cbb6767a Message-ID: <5ACF7003F5CC49F9932AC26096DCF47A@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:48:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=QuSo_IsgTyv4bv0ZmcDkz14EyoFw3Pb7khVc5yV6qfMa2gpCeg2OY3BlNA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone interested I've posted photos and trip reports from Aquatica and Jungala on Screamscape.com Aquatica is very nice looking, but boy... was it crowded. way too crowded... so much so that by the time the media cerimony was over and I had finished walking around the park taking pictures, there were probably 1-2 hour waits for every slide, so I didn't even get to try anything out. I took my son with me and he was sick as a dog, so I just couldn't wait and we had to leave. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Nelson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Sea World announces new coaster-type attraction --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > BTW, got a car again yesterday (finally!) so now it's working out a day > to go visit Aquatica. yay! we expect a full TR if you go! weve been debating driving down one day to go, but we cant coordinate which schools are on swing break when, so we dont know the best time to go as far as crowds go. i think though we are going to go see what Jungala is like at busch gardens sunday, since it just opened. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Apr 08 11:40:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57446 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 18:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 18:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta10.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 18:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta10.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063F740D1A for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.47f36e5a.20dbcb for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:40:01 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH+7wBzOg4ewIAAAAB,f7559d93541029a6646cad107d224b3c Message-ID: <50CB5C8112674D16BC06B6147571C7C4@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <20080408011643.WYII880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20080408011643.WYII880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:40:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Disney's Dream Prizes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=QFS7ViRD30KafP-HgZ-S83-v4vQ68an05xMFbFL7KYcVCxxZd_zry-YQPg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quick question for anyone who's had any experience with the Disney Year of a Million Dreams prizes... Not to sound petty, but I had a sour experience with them on my quick trip to Orlando this past week and was wondering if anyone had insight or opinions. I know this isn't entirely on-topic for RollerCoaster Talk so forgive me since I'd rather talk about it here than at one of the Disney forums. ;-) The funny thing is I wasn't expecting anything since we were at Downtown Disney standing at the fountain in front of the AMC Theaters. My two kids were kind of fighting with each other over an umbrella at the time when we spotted a small group of prize people heading our way. I can only assume they were directed to give "X" prize away at "Y" time to anyone standing near the fountain, but in the end they walked past my little family and gave away 33 exclusive sets of mouse ears to all the other people who happened to be walking by or through the fountain area. In the end everyone in the area had free hads except my family who were the only ones there in the first place... and when my son ran up to one of them to ask for a hat too they just said they were all out and walked off. Now I know it's free...and I really don't care myself about the hats and would have been more than willing to give mine away to someone else, as a parent I just felt kind of jipped here since out of the 33 hats they did give away, I'd say that only 3 or 4 of them actually went to children. Of course this was just another annoying thing that happened during the trip which ended up being a rather sour experience all around due to family members becoming sick, extremely nasty weather, and some bad timing for the media event at Aquatica that made it impossible to actually experience the park's attraction due to the fact that the park was said to be at capacity by the time we had arrived. Maybe next time I guess... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Apr 08 11:52:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3588 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 18:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 18:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 18:52:41 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2244171wfa.25 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.128.6 with SMTP id a6mr3208150wfd.138.1207680760933; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:52:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804081152x770be13dw6c831b12e07a4939@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:52:40 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <50CB5C8112674D16BC06B6147571C7C4@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080408011643.WYII880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <50CB5C8112674D16BC06B6147571C7C4@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney's Dream Prizes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=_potaMt5VMdaHi7NsCCYELHxw5zKCACijTlP-GfIdOxSlTH41A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lance, While I understand where you are coming from as far as the prizes not going to children, but coming from the other end of the spectrum, as an almost-married couple with no kids - I would enjoy/feel a little special if I was given a prize, probably as much as some kids. When I'm at Disney, I feel like I'm 8 years old again, which - in the way I look at Disney Parks - is the point of me going. It seems that they have been playing the whole parents/adults turn into kids angle for Orlando these days. I don't know how old your kids are, but if I was a "prize patrol", I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be giving prizes to very young kids, who will most likely never remember their experience, rather I would make sure to go out of my way to give someone a memorable experience that will truly become a memory. (does that make sense?) - If your kids are old enough to be fighting over an umbrella, then most likely they are old enough to remember seeing Mickey, etc.. so that is most likely not it. As far as them walking by your family, that does pretty much suck, but I can only hope that maybe they were just so focused on the area they were headed to, that they didn't even process that you were there. Don't know if that's the case or not, but who knows. -Josh On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Lance wrote: > Quick question for anyone who's had any experience with the Disney Year > of a Million Dreams prizes... > > Not to sound petty, but I had a sour experience with them on my quick trip > to Orlando this past week and was wondering if anyone had insight or > opinions. I know this isn't entirely on-topic for RollerCoaster Talk so > forgive me since I'd rather talk about it here than at one of the Disney > forums. ;-) > > The funny thing is I wasn't expecting anything since we were at Downtown > Disney standing at the fountain in front of the AMC Theaters. My two kids > were kind of fighting with each other over an umbrella at the time when we > spotted a small group of prize people heading our way. I can only assume > they were directed to give "X" prize away at "Y" time to anyone standing > near the fountain, but in the end they walked past my little family and gave > away 33 exclusive sets of mouse ears to all the other people who happened to > be walking by or through the fountain area. In the end everyone in the area > had free hads except my family who were the only ones there in the first > place... and when my son ran up to one of them to ask for a hat too they > just said they were all out and walked off. > > Now I know it's free...and I really don't care myself about the hats and > would have been more than willing to give mine away to someone else, as a > parent I just felt kind of jipped here since out of the 33 hats they did > give away, I'd say that only 3 or 4 of them actually went to children. Of > course this was just another annoying thing that happened during the trip > which ended up being a rather sour experience all around due to family > members becoming sick, extremely nasty weather, and some bad timing for the > media event at Aquatica that made it impossible to actually experience the > park's attraction due to the fact that the park was said to be at capacity > by the time we had arrived. > > Maybe next time I guess... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Apr 08 14:32:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62496 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 21:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 21:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta16.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 21:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D4044EB3 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47f36ff5.21f774 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:29:20 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH++OwB1tPRwIAAAAB,9bfb31aaa6c294f27cb53dff8b701627 Message-ID: <189B3C23025A4439AE8AE277F5EED305@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <20080408011643.WYII880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <50CB5C8112674D16BC06B6147571C7C4@ScreamscapeHP> <76e1ec0a0804081152x770be13dw6c831b12e07a4939@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0804081152x770be13dw6c831b12e07a4939@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:29:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney's Dream Prizes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=xUW1uIoUoGjmbuacDecynj5sTgOO9_USM1Gf8iHZUuFC2muD3fyRuJpemg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>I don't know how old your kids are, but if I was a "prize patrol", I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be giving prizes to very young kids, who will most likely never remember their experience, rather I would make sure to go out of my way to give someone a memorable experience that will truly become a memory. (does that make sense?) - No, they're old enough. Oldest is 6 and youngest will be turning 4 in a couple of months. >>As far as them walking by your family, that does pretty much suck, but I >>can only hope that maybe they were just so focused on the area they were headed to, that they didn't even process that you were there. Don't know if that's the case or not, but who knows. Problem is I wasn't standing "next" to them, but rather back a bit with the camera... filming blackmail footage of them fighting with each other and being silly that I can pull out when they're older and bring girlfriends over. ;-) My wife was with them and spotted the prize people mainly because she noticed they were pointing at her and the kids and started to walk over... but I guess it wasn't meant to be. Me... I had no idea the prize people were even out at Downtown Disney, for some reason I thought they were only in the parks, so I was kind of surprised. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:17:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33272 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:17:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61489 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 00:17:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gUposkgVM1l2GgBEVMVNGGIAbFRIVjn5sc3sd41lUi1695DL1eC4Q00JkYbQ_9pCcPXJHCFiNHfgAJQu.uD1JnFbcdlyDohzBIk77G7t_CdrbOzn5IGedexCAqL9Fw-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:17:49 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:17:49 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <334752.61418.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Anniversary reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=j6uh49_2ix9RpWDqIu6SY-sxDcDGLiIHZtjTvj9645IBwg8bq6IE X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I might be more interested if it were only big anniversaries of rides or coasters. < I'm the opposite. I already know most of the big anniversaries. I like discovering tidbits about little out-of-the-way places like VeegaLand. Besides, anniversaries come around every year. How many times do we need to be reminded on what day Disneyland opened? I'd rather have an interesting variety of amusement business related events, even anniversaries of people connected with the industry. Jay --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Apr 08 20:04:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95066 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 03:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 03:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 03:04:03 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2389112wfa.17 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.105.13 with SMTP id d13mr1911545wfc.311.1207710243323; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804082004s9e0c21k52cb8a16c280811@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:04:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <334752.61418.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <334752.61418.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=4F-OZhCmtQ7WZsK-75YjxQlI6L51n6B0hcwMh3QkV6BpUVIzFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which is also exactly our point. We don't need to be reminded when DL opened, nor is it necessary to receive, in one's inbox, a reminder of everything else that's ever opened, either. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > > Besides, anniversaries come around every year. How many times do we need > to be reminded on what day Disneyland opened? I'd rather have an interesting > variety of amusement business related events, even anniversaries of people > connected with the industry. > > Jay > > --------------- > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Apr 08 20:11:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94152 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 03:11:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 03:11:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.235) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 03:11:45 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so2024600wri.6 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.50.17 with SMTP id c17mr542768rvk.271.1207710703785; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:11:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:11:43 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0804082004s9e0c21k52cb8a16c280811@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <334752.61418.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0804082004s9e0c21k52cb8a16c280811@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ljgWtl0By4yFKfF1u45uD_ng3JPGWWo3viOfo2RMutznP0erU_s_i_s X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Which is also exactly our point. We don't need to be reminded when DL > opened, nor is it necessary to receive, in one's inbox, a reminder of > everything else that's ever opened, either. And for those who DO want to know, you can easily point your browser to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal, where there are even more of them listed for each day. ;) -Nate From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 13:16:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52797 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:16:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:16:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.59.74.218 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=_DZ8y7jICgLbp8jf0VlOJrG2DrlusOiya56-v3CW9zT_yHPNUesZAukmVumU X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" > wrote: > Maybe better than sending out > emails for the individual events might be a periodic mailing (like > once a month) from the administrator highlighting the features that > can be found in the group's archives. That way I might be reminded > that the events list exists and take a look at it myself. That gave me an idea, what if somebody made a list of all the anniversaries for the month and send it out at the end of that month (or every 2 weeks or something)? It wouldn't necessarily have to be a mod/admin since I'm sure they're already busy doing other stuff with the group but a volunteer member. I could probably do it if other people didn't want to. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 09 13:28:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88323 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:28:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:28:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.231) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:28:51 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c53so2334378wra.20 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.132.8 with SMTP id f8mr327924rvd.122.1207772930694; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:28:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=rslkIP1he2okGs5E5gujEf9k_sWYSJKupBa2Eeypu1CVOUqbvp4mrmM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > That gave me an idea, what if somebody made a list of all the > anniversaries for the month and send it out at the end of that month > (or every 2 weeks or something)? It wouldn't necessarily have to be a > mod/admin since I'm sure they're already busy doing other stuff with > the group but a volunteer member. I could probably do it if other > people didn't want to. Another option would be to create a new group (Roller Coaster Talk History, for example) specifically designed for sending out the daily anniversay reminders...sort of a "sign up to receive daily amusement park history in your inbox." Like the above suggestion it's a fair amount of work, but it's an option. It's really just too bad Yahoo doesn't have an opt out for such a thing. -Nate From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Apr 09 13:47:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86734 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:47:51 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1076458ywk.30 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.109.11 with SMTP id l11mr923355ybm.171.1207774070210; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30804091347r4632706bgbc6b68d2ed29213@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:47:50 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=pABq-D-EoAHvj5SFHMLFfwfm_2vYk9_nAvx1RgeXAEj4ivDo X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 4/9/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Another option would be to create a new group (Roller Coaster Talk > History, for example) specifically designed for sending out the daily > anniversay reminders...sort of a "sign up to receive daily amusement > park history in your inbox." Like the above suggestion it's a fair > amount of work, but it's an option. It's really just too bad Yahoo > doesn't have an opt out for such a thing. > > -Nate Email filters are your friend. Because the Anniversary reminders subject line and sender are consistent, you can set up a filter to dump them straight into your trash or some other dark recess of your email setup if you so choose. If you filter on both the sender and the subject and not just the subject, the filter won't lose any conversation that may result from the reminder, nor will you lose any "official" announcements (although I can't think of anything else that specifically comes from that address off the top of my head), but you won't have to read the reminder too. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 09 14:29:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90749 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 21:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 21:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.230) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 21:29:13 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so2640551wxd.31 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.172.6 with SMTP id z6mr354551rvo.136.1207776552737; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:29:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30804091347r4632706bgbc6b68d2ed29213@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30804091347r4632706bgbc6b68d2ed29213@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=bw08TQqtGGTT4X4qdY_-lcy3HcKphnI8pNZYt8iHaOoX3czXjJcgXBA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Email filters are your friend. I didn't even think of that, probably because I've never had to use an email filter in my life. I'll be setting one up now though. Thanks Beth. :) -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 17:43:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20345 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 00:43:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 00:43:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.86) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 00:43:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78908 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 00:43:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MT20c0oVM1lMwU.ZqUP9EpE6ky1mwRm2850ye3is5LDpx4shXLPapjpGuUms7UeeNTAKvQFsP8irObI4Tr7JltJ9W3_wyzihhA8CysJq3KG.iulFt.dJabbK6g-- X-Received: from [64.233.202.90] by web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:43:45 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:43:45 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <677201.78170.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Re: Anniversary reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=lO1SLbRmjdzzLTrflogQroZW2GCPyNcWSuHR2hwTkDPvJ_E0RhFE X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Come on guys, seriously... I'm not a big fan of the reminders either, or all of the news stories about a new hotel opening in Dubai that a waterslide, but really, if it weren't for these, there would be nothing posted to this list at all. Nate, and everyone else- Get RCT in digest form. It will come once a day and you can just scroll right past the offending topics. And have you noticed, digest form now separates all of the posts into topic columns, so you breeze by all related posts and on to the next topic. It's pretty sad that this is the largest discussion we've had on here in a very long time, and coaster season is just around the corner, so it's not like we even have an excuse. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 17:55:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47610 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 00:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 00:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.83) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 00:55:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22718 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 00:55:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L4f8ZBoVM1nG_ODnzHRgWzbBmlwwMWf.0muJaHdZsqy5PtPgICoBSXy8D.mwQs0yVwFnRt7Gzn2B.Gx3EKm_dkhwxZ8b86630CigGOmjLc4SERCEWviBRGIHHQ-- X-Received: from [64.233.202.90] by web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:55:42 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:55:42 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <612211.22165.qm@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: On a completely unrelated note... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=3EzUivyX1FT12cDIZEJk9CJV9mamc0CEU_8q7D7GBt1y4Pj39EwD X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck On a completely unrelated note... I visited Mall of America last week. I like what they've done with the park. ALthough Nickelodeon theming does tend to make it seem geared towards a slightly younger audience, it works well. If anything, it's Nick overload. But since I have a kid (but was there without him) I don't mind. First and foremost, the ride I was anticipating for 4 days (that's how far in advance I traded for the trip with a MSP overnight) was closed. Yup, no Spongebob for me. I gotta say though, the ride looked even cooler in person than the pictures on RCDB make it look. I didn't even know it has a mini-tophat, and a little bump before that. Avatar Airbender was the only other new-to-me ride. And also the first we rode. The 2 pods of seats are designed to spin freely as the ride moves. At first, they didn't move at all and I was trying to reach down with my foot and try to make it spin. Couldn't reach. Then we started spinning. Makes the ride a lot more fun, but some of you know that me and spinning rides do not mix well. I got off the ride rather queasy. We also rode Ghostblasters (meh... very basic dark ride shooter.) Also Pepsimax Big One... wait... is that right? I mean Pepsi Orange Streak. This is always a favorite of mine. Just a nice, fun, long, and scenic ride. Then rode the Fairly Odd Coaster (former Timbaland Twista) And guess what... That ride put me over the edge and I was done for the evening. No, I didn't puke, but I certainly could have if I put my mind to it. I was very tired though. I had woke up very early that day, like before 5am, worked all day, and was riding at 7 in the evening. But whatever, we all know I'm a big Puss when it comes to spinning rides. Razzle Dazzle, (yeah, I'm bringing it back) -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 20:29:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42829 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 03:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 03:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 03:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 03:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 03:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 03:29:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:29:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <677201.78170.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.14.79.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Anniversary reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=lu10PoeJk3cTcff7OO1xnay_8O85Db3IT57EuQhrUhrB5CFzcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, brian farral=20 wrote: > > Come on guys, seriously... I'm not a big fan of the > reminders either, or all of the news stories about a > new hotel opening in Dubai that a waterslide, but > really, if it weren't for these, there would be > nothing posted to this list at all.=20=20 >=20 > Nate, and everyone else- Get RCT in digest form. It > will come once a day and you can just scroll right > past the offending topics. And have you noticed, > digest form now separates all of the posts into topic > columns, so you breeze by all related posts and on to > the next topic.=20=20 >=20 > It's pretty sad that this is the largest discussion > we've had on here in a very long time, and coaster > season is just around the corner, so it's not like we > even have an excuse.=20=20 Amen, to that, Brian!=20 So...=20 What's everybody's plan for this year? Any coaster under construction=20 really piqued your interest? Anybody hit any milestone coasters=20 lately? Chris (And Brian, did you recently sign up for the GAP? I saw your Tommy=20 The Duck screen name pop up there...) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 20:33:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78894 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 03:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 03:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 03:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 03:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 03:32:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:32:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <612211.22165.qm@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.14.79.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: On a completely unrelated note... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0FmYC1qxHM85QZVYmxwOQoO-09QoD7qLcllBg5_trczZJ09xgg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, brian farral=20 wrote: > > On a completely unrelated note... I visited Mall of > America last week. I like what they've done with the > park. ALthough Nickelodeon theming does tend to make > it seem geared towards a slightly younger audience, it > works well. If anything, it's Nick overload. But > since I have a kid (but was there without him) I don't > mind. >=20 > Razzle Dazzle, (yeah, I'm bringing it back) >=20 > -Brian F. I was there on 're-opening' day, I really was pleasantly surprised at=20 what they've done with the place. I was worried that all the charm=20 lost with the Snoopy license was going to be nothing compared to this=20 retheme, but I think it worked out well.=20 I think I typed up a TR, did I post it here?=20 Chris From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 11:16:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82667 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 18:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 18:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 18:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 18:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 18:16:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:16:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47F6E49F.30208@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=iMkj_YlAZKQdxY295XPe8euy0pWA9aELeMLwoTtgjC6EBs6pAL0B X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 So please, don't hesitate to speak=20 > up, even if you're usually a quiet one. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > Alright, here's my 2 cents. I just got out of the hospital yesterday,=20 so I'm slogging my way through a boatload of spam, personal e-mail,=20 and other stuff. I found this discussion interesting, although I=20 haven't looked at every aspect and entry yet..so if what I say is=20 redundant and mentioned elsewhere, forgive me.=20 The problem I see with the anniversary reminders is not so much that=20 they exist, it's something else. Someone referenced Alan's very=20 frequent posts, which are often news articles I have little interest=20 in reading about places I'll likely never get to in my lifetime. Some=20 of them also have but a tenuous connection to the amusement park=20 industry. The good thing about many (although far from all) of his=20 posts is that the subject line often tells me if I want to read it.=20 OK, "Theme Park May Close" would be vague and make me open it. If=20 that park happens to be in Mombassa, I couldn't care less. But that=20 has nothing to do with Alan or his post. It's on me for opening it.=20 Alan posts a lot of things that are very entertaining..but hey, it's=20 like mining for gold you have to do a lotta sifting and digging to=20 get to the good stuff. So, Alan, continue what you do. Forgive my digression. Back to point. The Anniversary reminders are a=20 different animal. The subject line is no help. Even when you do open=20 it, ya gotta scroll down a little to see what it is. I almost always=20 open 'em in hope of finding a nice bit o' trivia to share with co- workers and friends...and most often, I come away empty handed(or=20 should that be empty "minded??") Mike=20=20=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 12:00:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64108 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 19:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 19:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.232) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 19:00:35 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so171587wri.3 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:00:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr1003603rvo.85.1207854034888; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:00:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:00:34 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=F1soa8xw6JqnPP_u41KA4AY6uDpRq4tKJpW6td361bBLUxg9k-S4Av4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > It's pretty sad that this is the largest discussion > > we've had on here in a very long time, and coaster > > season is just around the corner, so it's not like we > > even have an excuse. Well, you can't force people to post. It's always the same 5-10 people posting here, and this discussion is really no different. I can think of a number of reasons why discussion may have steadily declined in this group, but I think we've probably been down that road before. > What's everybody's plan for this year? Any coaster under construction > really piqued your interest? Anybody hit any milestone coasters > lately? That's a good idea for sparking some conversation. Maybe it's time for one of those pre-season surveys to liven things up around here. I'll submit my own responses in a subsequent post. Please respond (the more the better), and let's try get some actual conversation started! 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. 6. Favorite park you visited last year. 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 12:19:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75632 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 19:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 19:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 19:19:27 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so127562pye.14 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:19:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.23.7 with SMTP id a7mr1029232rvj.5.1207855163365; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:19:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:19:23 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=zJHsjV34GwjvZvGfMKSuHMX7sHOLzzfJ6AQ5z1sI6Vt_2xFecX1zXcc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. I've been wanting to hit the Virginia parks for about ten years now and it still hasn't happened. On the off chance that I do get to Virginia this year, I'll say Busch Gardens Williamsburg. Six Flags over Georga is also high on my must-visit list. And I'm itching to get back to Great Adventure and Dollywoodl 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Ravine Flyer II 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Fahrenheit 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. I'm interested in seeing how the dark ride at Hard Rock Park turns out. 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Superman: Krypton Coaster was the best new-to-me ride. Otherwise Deja Vu and Avalanche were the returning favorites. 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Six Flags Fiesta Texas. 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. I have zero plans to attend any parks at this point. I'm sure we'll make a trip to SFGAm to check out the new Dark Knight coaster. Otherwise we'll have to see. 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? I'd like to be able to attend Holliwood Nights, but there may be a work conflict. 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). El Toro (wood) and Expedition GeForce (steel) 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). I really hope to visit Alton Towers some day, and I think Tokyo DisneySea looks fantastic. But if given the offer to visit any park right now, I just might choose SFGAdv...it's been too long -Nate From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 12:30:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42637 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 19:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 19:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ik-out-1112.google.com) (66.249.90.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 19:30:17 -0000 X-Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b32so152542ika.1 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:30:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.225.14 with SMTP id x14mr2197446ybg.153.1207855814562; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30804101230k1be41e46ra100f1a07311@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:30:14 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.90.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=-4hacpW8yKZ35ciHxjmqC0ieAWgXVuXsTZ2Ynuafsfly5Pwt X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Color me participated ;) > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Anything that will get me away from work > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Flying Turns > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Steel Hawg > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Can't think of any off the top of my head > 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. El Toro > 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Knoebels > 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. Far fewer than usual... (see work comment above)... probably somewhere in the 15-20 park range at best guess. > 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? HWN, Spring Con, Coaster Mania, IB's event in August, and PPP > 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). *shrug* > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Blackpool From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 13:26:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37196 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 20:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 20:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.226) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 20:25:57 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so171313wri.5 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr1046954rvl.182.1207859157322; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:25:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30804101230k1be41e46ra100f1a07311@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30804101230k1be41e46ra100f1a07311@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=F98o7YNem7nur3SwuQ6E_xDctwlJyeeAGmYVIeAQINyCgLJDN4kGsOY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. > > Flying Turns Are we counting this as a 2008 coaster, or has it been moved to 2009 by now? :) > > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. > > Steel Hawg I look forward to riding this one too, as well as finally getting back to IB (I think it's been about five years!). I worry about the pain factor of this attraction though. Perhaps it's a bit early to judge, but I can't say the drawings have looked particularly comfortable. -Nate From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 13:53:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58163 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 20:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 20:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ik-out-1112.google.com) (66.249.90.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 20:53:13 -0000 X-Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so170716ika.4 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.108.10 with SMTP id k10mr2327720ybm.123.1207860791374; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30804101353r7340f35bub0d600f6f84472ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:53:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30804101230k1be41e46ra100f1a07311@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.90.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=PokssPbTxrYaDfAnsDtBsKzvOWVi8v4PI26wCu8gGac7Y1W1 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 4/10/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. > > > > Flying Turns > > Are we counting this as a 2008 coaster, or has it been moved to 2009 by now? :) > It's still early enough in the year to give it the benefit of the doubt. > > > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. > > > > Steel Hawg > > I look forward to riding this one too, as well as finally getting back > to IB (I think it's been about five years!). I worry about the pain > factor of this attraction though. Perhaps it's a bit early to judge, > but I can't say the drawings have looked particularly comfortable. Yeah, I just couldn't think of any other new steels this year that I'll likely get a chance to ride... work is going nuts this year, so my ability to take vacation and travel anywhere is pretty restricted this year. From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 14:03:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94259 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 21:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 21:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 21:03:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17864 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 21:03:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q7jpeJ0VM1nfRACkdKMK0w9UB8ozm5TmuZu0NoTC1_xsNEwCsY3cy.RK44I2HAJUxIM4KjeeOB8gvs17YFJIu5RTBHDLi0NzuUE2waF2K.9ZpRnYwUwJtKp_OrxJQA-- X-Received: from [24.140.11.171] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:03:18 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:03:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <133169.17646.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=suXiQ4c6DK8RmmIymfrP6WxsdBsfei4y092sAWJ-VmKQet6ORo97_TadiId4JYhA X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nate Kohlrusch wrote: 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Hershey Park - I've never been there. 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Ravine Flyer II - This could be a very interesting ride by the looks of it. 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Behemoth - Canada's Wonderland 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Planet Snoopy - Cedar Point 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Didn't get to go last year for health reasons 6. Favorite park you visited last year. See Above 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. Hopefully around 6 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? Not Sure 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). Nemesis 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Alton Towers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Apr 10 14:33:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34568 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 21:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 21:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 21:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.be2.28e6728f (48576) for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:34:04 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=2mHU7XgC3ANHyVkocsPQ36fpmqjv0Vu6Lb_MHDEgYOmX4o2xZg X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/10/2008 3:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, natekohlrusch@gmail.com writes: 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Indiana Beach 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Ravine Flyer II 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Steel Hawg 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Toy Story 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Maverick 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Disney's Hollywood Studios 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. 10 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? Yes 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). The Grand National 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Black Pool Beach **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 14:48:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47039 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 21:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 21:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 21:48:48 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so203310wfc.3 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr578648wfe.293.1207864127871; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804101448u71863a5fif75cc95d49afb3a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:48:47 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=OV9a0Ax5D04JOtjX9CFO1KuKY4flevtwL8fcUhuU6V--vKsYdg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. WDW - only a few more weeks till I'm there again. 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Ravine Flyer II - gonna be there ASAP 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Fahrenheit 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Planet Snoopy, I love Snoopy 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Maverick 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Didn't visit any place new 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. Who knows 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? Maybe CoasterMania 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). Expedition Ge-Force 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Tokyo DisneySea [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 14:53:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78303 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 21:53:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 21:53:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 21:53:51 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so262098wra.23 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:53:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.211.13 with SMTP id n13mr1100798rvq.12.1207864429058; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:53:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:53:49 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30804101353r7340f35bub0d600f6f84472ed@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30804101230k1be41e46ra100f1a07311@mail.gmail.com> <74b0c9f30804101353r7340f35bub0d600f6f84472ed@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=PBq_qqfVpFpkwsJ0MLILyWFqtNkSF0kqBzFk5hXecWu0qAM3K5QVcdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > > Flying Turns > It's still early enough in the year to give it the benefit of the doubt. I've heard it's been delayed again (some problem with the trains). Still, I suppose it's a bit early to declare it won't open yet this year. :) There's a POV of it online somewhere, and I can't say it looked very interesting to me. Seems like a lot of money and a lot of time were spent on this attraction, and I'm not sure it's going to live up to all that. > Yeah, I just couldn't think of any other new steels this year that > I'll likely get a chance to ride... work is going nuts this year, so > my ability to take vacation and travel anywhere is pretty restricted > this year. There aren't a lot of major additions this year. Most are relocations (Goliath, Dominator, Voodoo) or smaller coasters (Dark Knight coasters). I sense next year may be a bit more exciting. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Apr 10 14:58:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9425 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 21:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 21:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 21:58:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3379 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 21:58:38 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 10 Apr 2008 21:58:37 -0000 Message-ID: <47FE8D8A.6050904@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:58:34 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=kO718OFQHgO2mlkFjvI8ZyMCm0L6VMStO_wN9emVgsx1BVYc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Six Flags Discovery Kingdom - although it's not sure whether or not I'll be able to go. > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. The GCI at SFStl. > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Hmm .. I don't have one. > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Again - I have none. > 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Ozark Wildcat > 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Silver Dollar City + Celebration City > 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. New parks? I have already visited SFMM, but I hope to get to SFDK and maybe even SFGAdv too. Repeat parks are the usual suspects: SFGAm, Indiana Beach, etc.. > 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? Behemoth Bash, and the Indiana Beach weekend. > 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). Goliath at Walibi World and Expedition GeForce (steel) > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Knoebels. Cameron. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 15:07:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68912 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 22:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 22:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.78) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 22:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 22:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 22:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 22:07:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:07:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=MJZfqL_tsqG4yFfxNsfZMQXVnfPiEO4tr-QqZzkD1711mSNP4IKy X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Tough choice between three new-to-me parks, but I'll go with Hard Rock >=20 > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Ravine Flyer II, although I have no thoughts of going. >=20 > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Fahrenheit, although I don't expect to visit HP >=20 > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Simpsons at Universal >=20 > 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Of ones that were new to me? Voyage. Answer to question? El Toro. >=20 > 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Although Cedar Point remains my favorite park, my experience there=20 last year paled in comparison to the fun I had at Holiday World on my=20 first ever visit..so I go with HW. >=20 > 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. 8-10 >=20 > 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? I'll be enthusiastic, but....no >=20 > 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). X >=20 > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Blackpool Pleasure Beach. That was fun, Nate! Mike > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 15:10:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73987 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 22:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 22:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 22:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 22:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 22:10:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:10:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=RzRkLTUYfopEDy4Bc0EGekGub5K3holVpVJi1qd3LQAzubP3CEqs X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 But if given the offer to visit any park > right now, I just might choose SFGAdv...it's been too long >=20 > -Nate > Hope you get the chance, Nate. Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 16:33:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50947 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 23:33:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 23:33:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 23:33:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28023 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 23:33:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m5gVt1sVM1nzJJY4.BU.bCChBj6SGH_rk2FhY4MxgckkVV2Yv42zNq.pCfjlI4RmAKzPvBrPU35ePMmG9..7PxqYCYN__GkvIbYXy.NZxijwU1WDIC.093yL3LbdlA-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:33:17 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:33:17 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1207860455.2644.28895.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <103125.27519.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=3wCOvpNEKwAnxGikjHKDWSl7vB5_oY3wZbbE_6XRaLws_Kg-f8Lo X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Idlewild. I haven't been there in nearly a decade and I have lots of fond memories. 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Ravine Flyer II; it looks amazing (and Karen and I will be among the first to ride it!) 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. None. But I can't wait to get back on the Vekoma Wild Mouse at Idlewild. 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Kennywood's new dark ride 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. El Toro 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Six Flags Great Adventure 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. Probably eight or so. 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? Coasterfest in May and OcBoulderFest in September 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). Hochschaubahn at Vienna's Prater Park 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Blackpool Pleasure Beach Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 16:55:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91614 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 23:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 23:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 23:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 23:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 23:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 23:55:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:55:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103125.27519.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=xqJx2b1QAgezvhWhdMHL9WOfKnWNaTRFhsviYtyYQt7FqBr6mO4r X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). >=20 > Blackpool Pleasure Beach >=20 > Jay Considering the number of respondents, present company included, who=20 have answered #10 with Blackpool..hell, maybe we need to get a group=20 together and arrange a trip there! Mike=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 16:57:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31742 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 23:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 23:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 23:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 23:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 23:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 23:57:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:57:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.14.79.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=8AyN_Gbm46_vsvzNvKl2Z4tBiRh5UcLR6RH9XtYYiC_mfL-0mg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 wrote: > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Probably LaRonde. There are rides I'm looking forwards to more, but I=20 should be hitting #800 about that point. =20 > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Flying Turns. I'm hoping that I get to ride it when I pass through PA=20 in June, but I'm not holding my breath. =20 > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Behemoth, but kind of for the wrong reasons: I'm hoping that the=20 train redesign doesn't completely screw it up for ole Walter &=20 Claude.=20 =20 > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Wait. Parks add stuff that isn't coasters? J/K I'll say one thing: It sure isn't Toy Story Mania. I've never seen so=20 many pointless construction updates for something that I could care=20 less about. Well, the Contemporary Hotel construction updates from=20 WDW are a very close second.=20 Yes, Lance, I am talking to you.=20 :P =20 > 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Wood: Raven I can't believe I finally made it to Holiday World after=20 all these years! Steel: Raging Bull was the only 'top 40' coaster steel I rode last=20 year. Mystery Mine and Deja Vu were the best 'new for me' coasters=20 but they came in #50 and #51 on my list.=20 > 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Indiana Beach. Nope, I wasn't all that impressed with HW, despite=20 their woodie collection.=20 > 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. A metric buttload.=20 Seriously, my plans have 47 parks for the year, but many of those=20 are 'quick stops' such as Sesame Place or Fun Fore All. Many are also=20 places I've been recently, but have added a new coaster or two since=20 my last visit. 'Only' 13 of the parks are new for me and have more=20 than 1 coaster.=20 (Dang, I really sound like a credit whore, don't I?) > 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? I attended No Coaster Con in January, and I may attend a late season=20 even at Dollywood in December.=20 > 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). Atlantis Adventure. Because I've been to Lotte World twice, and not=20 been able to ride.=20 And while I'm there in Seoul, I can nip over to Everland for a bit... > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Which ever I end up riding my 1000th coaster at.=20 ;) Only 300 more to go! Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 17:00:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24683 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 00:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 00:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 00:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2008 00:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2008 00:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2008 00:00:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:00:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.14.79.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=mcSkogwIf95YEzJAI4uGEDizzdRf0dxFxjeyCiGtP_30Kqkqqw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher"=20 wrote: > > > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). > >=20 > > Blackpool Pleasure Beach > >=20 > > Jay >=20 > Considering the number of respondents, present company included,=20 who=20 > have answered #10 with Blackpool..hell, maybe we need to get a=20 group=20 > together and arrange a trip there! >=20 > Mike=20 Blackpool is indeed a fantastic park, and everyone needs to get there=20 before the owner passes away. His daughter is going to flat out=20 destroy the place once she has complete control.=20 It's going to make Pleasureland Southport's demise look gentle in=20 comparison.=20 :( Chris From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 18:11:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35075 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 01:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 01:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 01:11:11 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so313049pyi.13 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.64.27.13 with SMTP id a13mr4016592qba.78.1207876271237; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.43.14 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:11:11 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=fEtg92PxcedLezdNYIozBRdff4Mekpg0BaNLsYcnYXg01iQ1W0Bd9jY X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. I kind of doubt I'll be visiting anywhere new, since I'll be finishing school this summer and hopefully starting work soon after. So I'll probably be sticking local, maybe visiting Disneyland for the first time in a few years. > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. No wonder nothing comes to mind; according to rcdb hardly anything is being built. I guess I'll go with Flying Turns since that concept has interested me for a while. > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. I'm curious to see how Steel Hawg turns out. It honestly looks painful, but I've got an open mind. > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Hard Rock Park. The coaster selection seems weak (except maybe Maximum RPM; that lift is neat. I think I just figured out the station too - nice) but the rest of the park looks pretty cool. I wish they had a budget large enough to do something more on the scale of IOA, but I still can appreciate what they've got. > 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Hades, definitely. > 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Probably Mount Olympus. The wooden coaster collection was very nice (even more so if you include the nearby Avalanche), the lines were short, and I had fun on the go-carts. > 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. At the moment it looks like I'll be sticking local until 2009, at which point I hope to branch out substantially with my (currently theoretical) financial improvements. So, maybe 5, assuming I don't go on a road trip or something. > 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? Probably not, since I already went to West Coast Bash. > 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). There are a ton, but probably Voyage. > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Guess I'll also go with Blackpool, especially if it's demise is on the horizon. DisneySea, BGW, and CP are all close though. And I'd love to go back to Europa Park someday. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Apr 10 18:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20705 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 01:34:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 01:34:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 01:34:30 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a77so288151pyh.35 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr4088140qbi.45.1207877669461; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.43.14 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:34:29 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47F6E49F.30208@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=KIn_Ny97rCUPs4ccAtxY7W4JB9iEhPH8qjXFodEUEbZdsvdZ4Q7kdsk X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > So please, don't hesitate to speak > > up, even if you're usually a quiet one. > > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > Usually I'll check them, but if my inbox is getting busy I just "mark as read." I'd say to keep them. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 19:05:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28879 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 02:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 02:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 02:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2008 02:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2008 02:04:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:04:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.59.74.218 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=fOucCw20JfVLm4p2QWNFV3maIUmbEjKkWfRL_R4_QkO09NI5-IygWYlAXZ4U X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Cedar Point! 1st time, May 17, marching/jazz band trip! 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Flying Turns if it opens, pretty much my home park so hopefully it does! 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Fahrenheit, my 'real' home park (but I don't like it/go there as much as Knoebels) 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. hmmm... I guess Ghostwood Estate, my other "big 3" park 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Great White (Morey's) 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Morey's I guess 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. about 4-7, probably 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? ehh, probably not, I've never been to one though. 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). Balder 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). uh yeah, I don't get out much, probably Busch Gardens Williamsburg. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 03:55:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57464 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 10:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 10:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 10:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JkGup-00072P-Fd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:55:31 -0400 Message-ID: <47FF42D2.1010506@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:52:02 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47887a5dba1e6b14d0ac3ee315a64b6bb02998526726396a739350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=zrmCKjiM-DrhMOmoPlH6iegJR7ZG7KtskKwhLP-755CCQAk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ok, I'm in! :) > > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. One I will definitly visit, or one I hope to visit? Hoping to work out VA or SFoG, but I've been trying to work that since I got down here in FL and hasn't happened yet. Doubt it will this year. But then I'm not suffering with the Disney and Busch Parks. And we're determined to go to Cypress Gardens with a portion of the tax money we get. > > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. It's last year, but I'm really looking forward to Starliner. > > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. This will sound funny, but I've been keeping a close eye on Pony Express at Knott's. It just looks like it's going to be a really cool little coaster. 2009 is really looking like the year for new coasters though- both here in Orlando and out if we can get some money put aside. > > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Toy Story Mania is one I'm really looking forward to. Still have to visit Aquatica also, which should be a lot of fun. > > 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Possibly Expedition Everest, but it can be hard to choose with all the great B&M's down here. Favorite ride of the year though is Tower of Tower. That ride just rocks! > > 6. Favorite park you visited last year. It would actually be one of the two that I worked in- Epcot or Magic Kingdom. Just love the parks and watching the people in them. Especially the kids. > > 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. Let's see- the 4 Disney main parks, BGA, SWO, Aquatica, Maybe Adventure Island, Cypress Gardens... Outside of a couple of the amusement centers (e.g. Fun Spot, Old Town, etc.) that'll probably be it. > > 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? Might be able to make a couple of FLCC get togethers, but after a year of barely or not working it's not happening. Hoping the health is finally coming back to let us simply get back on our feet and get the creditors to stop calling at this point. > > 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). Probably Voyage. That's the first one that comes to mind. The Superman Hypers are right up there also. > > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). That's a tough question when there are so many I haven't been to. Tivoli has always interested me, as has so many of the parks in Japan. I'd love to go to Silverwood, and there's almost all of New England. It's hard to pick. > keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 04:07:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56388 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 11:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 11:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 11:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JkH6K-00020q-Ki for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: <47FF459B.9000002@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:03:55 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76e1ec0a0804101448u71863a5fif75cc95d49afb3a9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0804101448u71863a5fif75cc95d49afb3a9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47887a5dba1e6b14d0a5dde51aedeab6a35d10950c3109da81a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=qTIXqcNZpEzOZte5A7UZKy7h-MvYe_WNz9DGA-NfjAT1HrA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. > WDW - only a few more weeks till I'm there again. > Ok, time to start packing now... :P No, seriously, can't wait to see you guys when you get down here. As I told you off list, it's been way to long. Still have to laugh though when I remember a few years ago, before you'd been to any of the Disney parks, how you were worried that you wouldn't like them. To childish and boring as I recall you being worried about, and had a hard time believing the old man who told you to call your parents. :P See, some of us "older" guys do occasionally know what we're talking about. keep on ridin' George From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 11 04:21:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11657 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 11:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 11:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 11:20:59 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so118801and.79 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:20:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.214.19 with SMTP id m19mr5207522ang.1.1207912858327; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c2sm4318432ana.4.2008.04.11.04.20.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:20:57 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:20:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AcibZ0FT8RCtXY6FTUy+S6DGBulzwQAXlRAg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <47ff4999.0236640a.15b0.ffff956f@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=0vpunwGhP_EBA3lNZvlhYjoKoj4oGx1ppMFTTKdBKwT9J0M X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Blackpool is indeed a fantastic park, and everyone needs to get there before the owner passes away. His daughter is going to flat out destroy the place once she has complete control." Geoffrey Thompson, who was really more the patriarch, passed away in 2004 and his daughter Amanda is currently managing director. I am not sure how the ownership is structured, but my guess would be a family board, much like Kennywood's was. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 11 04:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4138 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 11:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 11:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.242) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 11:34:28 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so108253anc.17 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.57.6 with SMTP id f6mr5167731ana.99.1207913665168; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm4307553and.17.2008.04.11.04.34.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:34:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:34:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AcibcPPcEyyE1IJQS+CJURpPlnAsAAAVS/4g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <47ff4cc0.261e640a.3e13.ffff9ca1@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.242 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=tA8A-YJJaNZ-qB-gV9OGQ6EenPl_TGnJIgT-dRN3eHLNUzI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. If things work out, Oktoberfest, still my favorite. 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Mammut at Tripsdrill. 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. The mini-hyper at Djurs Sommerland looks interesting. 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. CircuMotion Theater that is opening at one of the OCT-owned parks, I think the Eco Park, in China. 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. I enjoyed El Toro. 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Efteling 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. A handful. 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? PPP if the mood strikes me. 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). I really wanted to do Thriller (even after being altered), but since it is in ol' Mexico (and it sounded like it was taken apart uncaringly) I would have to say Nemesis at Alton. 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). I want to get back to Williamsburg as I really like that park, other than that I have only heard good things about the Disney complex in Japan. We might go there for our honeymoon, but I don't know if I want to spend said honeymoon in parks, especially ones known for massive lines. Adam ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 05:56:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96628 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 12:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 12:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 12:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2008 12:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2008 12:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2008 12:56:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:56:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47ff4cc0.261e640a.3e13.ffff9ca1@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=rQ6NrBOTZ-0GuFx1V05b0ys7QZVqaFhKj2GKPtIZqRVoXEKI3A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy"=20 wrote: > > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). >=20 > I want to get back to Williamsburg as I really like that park,=20 other than > that I have only heard good things about the Disney complex in=20 Japan. We > might go there for our honeymoon, but I don't know if I want to=20 spend said > honeymoon in parks, especially ones known for massive lines. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Adam If you go on weekdays, the TDR parks aren't that bad. I met up with=20 Greg L and Tim M one night at TDL, and even though I didn't get there=20 until 6PM, we rode Splash, BTMRR, SM, Pooh, IASW, had dinner, watched=20 the parade, did the castle walk-through, Buzz Lightyear, and a few=20 other rides in just a couple hours.=20 Chris From lance@screamscape.com Fri Apr 11 06:38:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24018 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 13:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 13:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta16.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 13:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B88C432A4 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47f36ff5.2f6622 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:38:17 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH/2nJ/ZDTTAIAAAAB,9d155e6969108459664aa613c909116e Message-ID: To: References: <76e1ec0a0804101448u71863a5fif75cc95d49afb3a9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0804101448u71863a5fif75cc95d49afb3a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:38:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=y4KvWo6mmN9jyjjncr3YefExWcBTknmteBlgp3EJgovfAp519yjKZ94p7A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Hard Rock Park - Since it will likely be the only "new" park I visit this year. 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Mammut at Tripsdrill 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Behemoth at Canada's Wonderland 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Tie... Toy Story Mania and The Simpsons Ride 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Apollo's Chariot 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Busch Gardens Europe 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. Not as many as I would like... 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? Not really. 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). The Voyage 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). Tokyo DisneySea From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 11 07:14:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49969 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 14:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 14:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 14:14:11 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id s28so424374rnb.19 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.20.7 with SMTP id x7mr1514531rvi.207.1207923249831; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:14:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:14:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47ff4cc0.261e640a.3e13.ffff9ca1@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47ff4cc0.261e640a.3e13.ffff9ca1@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=sQY_QnOPlhEC898ciGVNlIZkiERnUqW9BmghY8guL2C3hSuyFC5KKlg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. > If things work out, Oktoberfest, still my favorite. I'm jealous...though I don't know if my stomach could handle all the beer combined with insane ride programs. I'm getting old. :) > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. > Mammut at Tripsdrill. It should definitely be interesting to see how this one turns out. It seems like quite a collaboration. > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. > The mini-hyper at Djurs Sommerland looks interesting. Agreed. Actually, both mini-hypers (the other being at Tobu Zoo) look intriguing. > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. > > CircuMotion Theater that is opening at one of the OCT-owned parks, I think > the Eco Park, in China. I don't think I've heard anything about this, and I don't believe it's on Screamscape. What's the deal with this one? -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri Apr 11 08:33:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30527 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 15:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 15:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta12.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 15:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta12.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2B340459 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:33:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.47f36ff5.30e519 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:33:23 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlH/4TDbz8LNgIAAAAB,5365a7fee6d70a4ee7541787b276e580 Message-ID: <7AC6F3541CCF41C8BA39235CCAE28575@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <47ff4cc0.261e640a.3e13.ffff9ca1@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:33:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=bjShLh9lloU2u4fU80NjjuREXk2uMsnmp5q35gn1vXRMzkW5zEeT3a0i-A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Nate Kohlrusch To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. > > CircuMotion Theater that is opening at one of the OCT-owned parks, I think > the Eco Park, in China. I don't think I've heard anything about this, and I don't believe it's on Screamscape. What's the deal with this one? ---- I'm not sure either... though it can be so hard to get good info about new attractions in China. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Apr 11 11:03:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64755 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 18:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 18:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 18:03:07 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so265817ywh.59 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:03:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.237.20 with SMTP id k20mr930521wfh.228.1207936986451; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:03:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804111103h5a126476u5126bcb6e16e6447@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:03:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47FF459B.9000002@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0804101448u71863a5fif75cc95d49afb3a9@mail.gmail.com> <47FF459B.9000002@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=pbVXePv4DyQRnHB83Zr9yXjBg5zjR-orwjwS9E-CjtHbIuH1iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't believe I ever said that... :( I don't even remember how long ago that was, but since then, I have been out to DLR and down to WDW at least 4 times each. Oh well, now that I'm old - I know what you mean. :-D -Josh On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:03 AM, george burnash wrote: > Josh W wrote: > > > > > > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. > > WDW - only a few more weeks till I'm there again. > > > Ok, time to start packing now... :P No, seriously, can't wait to see > you guys when you get down here. As I told you off list, it's been way > to long. > > Still have to laugh though when I remember a few years ago, before you'd > been to any of the Disney parks, how you were worried that you wouldn't > like them. To childish and boring as I recall you being worried about, > and had a hard time believing the old man who told you to call your > parents. :P > > See, some of us "older" guys do occasionally know what we're talking > about. > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 11 11:29:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1147 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 18:29:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 18:29:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 18:29:54 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so653546pyi.7 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.132.8 with SMTP id f8mr1703999rvd.198.1207938594054; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:29:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0804111103h5a126476u5126bcb6e16e6447@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0804101448u71863a5fif75cc95d49afb3a9@mail.gmail.com> <47FF459B.9000002@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0804111103h5a126476u5126bcb6e16e6447@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=c0WF-mBsKAS4i1Itq55hjsochKSZfv7nJUaFq3kFxwi6RWShK_wn4cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I don't even remember how long ago that was, but since then, I have been out > to DLR and down to WDW at least 4 times each. > > Oh well, now that I'm old - I know what you mean. :-D Now call your parents. -Nate From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 13:54:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40014 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2008 20:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2008 20:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2008 20:54:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72110 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2008 20:54:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E6VhzWEVM1nQH0jeVl4OIfu_9c8DiRQOa_RSChvocezg3Okv10lEk7h3IedDbA0zNTI5RPAFYIHrSdyhTCjdmU_5NgNv9YEoEuA1CptQoZme7nSiBY4H6xQoNA-- X-Received: from [138.89.128.156] by web35707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:54:35 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <677186.71544.qm@web35707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Gallagher Subject: MISC..My May Trip Itinerary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=FvLDSDwEv_BA0Z18NFeIgDsV2JQDXSX9t5X4YcBa5pFWQ7lNmNjT X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to MIKE'S MAGICAL MYSTERY (MINE) TOUR. This is my itinerary for my May trip, my only real jaunt planned for the year. Yes, I will expose it to CoasterTalk scrutiny and/or ridicule, but here it is. A few advice questions follow. Of course, hopefully no health issues will put on the brakes before I leave the station... Wed May 7...leave Jersey bright(?) and early for Pigeon Forge, TN...Motel 6 overnight Thur May 8 at Dollywood all day..First visit..Motel 6 overnight Fri May 9..Drive to GA..Motel 6 Lithia Springs overnight Sat May 10..At SFOG all day..first visit..Motel 6 overnight Sun May 11..Drive to Wild Adventures...first visit..most of day at park..Motel 6 overnight Valdosta Mon May 12..Drive to Clearwater FL...staying(unexpectedly) at my cousin's best friend's condo there. Tuesday May 13..at BGA all day..first visit..overnight at condo. Wed May 14...Drive to Little River, SC...overnight Lake Shore Motel, reasonably priced, about 18 miles from Myrtle Beach. Thur May 15...at Hard Rock Park all day...first visit(well, DUH!)..overnight at Lake Shore Fri May 16..partial day at Hard Rock. Leave in late afternoon and find a cheapo Bates Motel heading north. Sat May 17...Drive to VA and get a room at Motel 6 for the night near Kings Dominion (Ashland) Sun May 18th..Meet a friend, her husband and son for a day at KD. This is more social than anything. I haven't seen her in 10 years. The "parental units" don't do rides, so I'll take Zach on some stuff. No Hypersonic, no Dominator, and I've been there as recently as Oct. '06. But I'm still looking forward to it. Overnight at Motel 6. Mon May 19..Drive home. Tues May 20..recuperate Wed May 21..back to work. Sooooo...You'll notice I'm only allotting one day for all except HRP..I think that'll be sufficient, based on what I know about the parks. HRP? Well, in the astute lyrics of Weird Al Yankovic.."I haven't been in a crowd like this since I went to see the WHO!" That's why I'm giving myself the extra day. Enough time in all cases? Any discounts available for Dollywood(maybe,) WA(maybe,) or HRP(YEAH, RIGHT!)..I have a small discount for $5 off BGA..can I find anything better? I haven't done my directions yet..is WA easy to hit without really messing with the SFOG-BGA route? SFOG and WA are weekend days..will that ramp the crowds up significantly? Any other comments, recommendations, advice is appreciated..I know I can count on the CoasterTalk gang. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=NUM1EKPDofpzvygLmWt0ZC1207979413-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Apr 11 22:56:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55748 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 05:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 05:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 05:56:39 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so820481wfd.10 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.54.12 with SMTP id c12mr185222wfa.329.1207979798706; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804112256uc158febib80d10279456eac0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:56:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <677186.71544.qm@web35707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC..My May Trip Itinerary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=xOtBY66VNT0mLupemEjUBGdFnxWQ5Zv-0qthPvZ36CSU3mB_9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ready for my craziest itinerary ever? I'm hopping on a plane, spending 6 days at WDW resort, with dining plan. I have reservations at a bunch of different restaurants, and I'm introducing Jen to her first time at Disney. Lots of relaxation, good food and sunshine. I don't know if I can handle it all. Oh man. Phew... :-D Josh On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > Michael Gallagher > wrote: > > > > Welcome to MIKE'S MAGICAL MYSTERY (MINE) TOUR. This is my itinerary > for my May trip. Yes, I will expose it to CoasterTalk scrutiny and/or > ridicule, but here it is. > > > Any other comments, recommendations, advice is appreciated..I > know I can count on the CoasterTalk gang. > > > > Mike > > Yeah, I don't think I'll be telling people my crazy plans until I'm > successful, or I've failed. > > And of course, if I fail, I'll just TR it out as if it was my > original plan all along! > > ;) > > Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Apr 11 23:19:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72679 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 06:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 06:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 06:19:08 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so354095ywe.3 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.158.8 with SMTP id g8mr4190364ybe.25.1207981147861; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30804112319i4c01b699q864fe61dc06d6a21@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:19:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <677186.71544.qm@web35707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <677186.71544.qm@web35707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC..My May Trip Itinerary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=JiicGV-HVKAuFMJcvaMb-cQb_v6m6rk9aBtzv_4JT4Og95N0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Michael Gallagher wrote: > > Sooooo...You'll notice I'm only allotting one day for all except HRP..I think that'll be sufficient, based on what I know about the parks. HRP? Well, in the astute lyrics of Weird Al Yankovic.."I haven't been in a crowd like this since I went to see the WHO!" That's why I'm giving myself the extra day. Enough time in all cases? > > Any discounts available for Dollywood(maybe,) WA(maybe,) or HRP(YEAH, RIGHT!)..I have a small discount for $5 off BGA..can I find anything better? There may be coupons in the local travel guides (small ones that mostly cover the equivalent of any taxes on the ticket price) or if you know of anyone with a season pass, there are often bring-a-friend type discounts at the gate. > > I haven't done my directions yet..is WA easy to hit without really messing with the SFOG-BGA route? > WA is right off of I-75 about a 3 hour drive from SFoG. > SFOG and WA are weekend days..will that ramp the crowds up significantly? > Yes for SFoG and not really for WA. WA is a lot of kiddie rides and most of them aren't worth re-riding. Spent a Saturday afternoon there a couple years ago and were done and pretty much ready to split after about 4 hours and that was a slow paced visit plus some rain and a meal. And at that point in a trip that long with as much driving as it entails, a short park day with more down time is probably a good thing. > Any other comments, recommendations, advice is appreciated..I know I can count on the CoasterTalk gang. > Only thing I see missing is the jog to near KD while bypassing the Busch Gardens right there.... and while in Myrtle Beach, it's worth a quick visit over to Family Kingdom for some Swamp Fox rides. I actually did a similar trip the year MB Pavilion closed... Holiday World -> Beech Bend -> Carowinds ->Myrtle Beach ->Wild Adventures -> SFoG -> Alabama Adventures -> Lake Winnie over the course of a week. And last year we did Holiday World ->Camden -> Dollywood -> Busch Gardens Europe -> SFGAdv -> Cedar Point when HWN fell early enough that very few parks had gone to daily operations for the season. And several even crazier trips solo in the years before that. It takes a bit of crazy, and you have to realize that no matter how much you think you can handle it, you will have one hell day and it will fall about mid week. Make that day light enough on both park time and drive time, and you're pretty much golden for the remainder of the trip. Beth - stuck at work this summer and living vicariously through others. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 05:28:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46092 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 12:28:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 12:28:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 12:28:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 12:28:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 12:28:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 12:28:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:28:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30804112319i4c01b699q864fe61dc06d6a21@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC..My May Trip Itinerary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=JEp0qMtCWtUlcu4M40FL8CSPDhC_XEQm_JuShYkHViBPzUSIKw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson"=20 wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Michael Gallagher > wrote: > It takes a bit of crazy, and you have to realize that no matter how > much you think you can handle it, you will have one hell day and it > will fall about mid week.>=20 > Beth One question about crazy trips:=20 Has anyone ever tried to do Frontier City and Magic Springs in the same=20 day here?=20 Chris From bethtoons@gmail.com Sat Apr 12 07:49:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63712 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 14:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 14:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 14:49:40 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so349522ywt.73 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.121.3 with SMTP id t3mr4485538ybc.227.1208011780440; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30804120749r7067edf6w48263d4769f9a514@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:49:40 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30804112319i4c01b699q864fe61dc06d6a21@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC..My May Trip Itinerary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=GvEcYxkaJL4t9OSj2XycaPI9uQ7_EfP9hAtxIH5xwmXAXpn0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Can't help with that one, when I did the crazy trip in that region a few years ago, Magic Springs was as far south as I went. On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson" > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Michael Gallagher > > > wrote: > > It takes a bit of crazy, and you have to realize that no matter how > > much you think you can handle it, you will have one hell day and it > > will fall about mid week.> > > Beth > > One question about crazy trips: > > Has anyone ever tried to do Frontier City and Magic Springs in the same > day here? > > Chris > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 09:26:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95359 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 16:26:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 16:26:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.132) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 16:26:30 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 16:26:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 16:26:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 16:26:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:26:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30804112319i4c01b699q864fe61dc06d6a21@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC..My May Trip Itinerary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=5Iaiv0W5fAyZuj64GDQAkB-_LkHLd5UAYtbyU4i-DFwp2133m6xC X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 >>=20 > >=20 > WA is right off of I-75 about a 3 hour drive from SFoG. About what I anticipated..Mike >=20 > >=20 > Yes for SFoG and not really for WA. WA is a lot of kiddie rides and > most of them aren't worth re-riding. Spent a Saturday afternoon=20 there > a couple years ago and were done and pretty much ready to split=20 after > about 4 hours and that was a slow paced visit plus some rain and a > meal. And at that point in a trip that long with as much driving as=20 it > entails, a short park day with more down time is probably a good > thing. My thinking exactly..maybe 5-6 hours then back to the motel to=20 unwind. I've heard some good things about the park, so I wanted to at=20 least check it out...Mike =20 >. > > >=20 > Only thing I see missing is the jog to near KD while bypassing the > Busch Gardens right there.... and while in Myrtle Beach, it's=20 worth a > quick visit over to Family Kingdom for some Swamp Fox rides. I love BGE, but it'll be easier to meet my friend at KD. I would have=20 included BGE and or SFAmer if they were open daily. Only Gryffon=20 would be new to me. I'll get there sometime next few years. While I'm=20 in Myrtle Beach itself, I'll likely only do HRP..if I get everything=20 there done on Thur, or early Friday, perhaps I'll look at it. What's=20 Swamp Fox? Coaster?..Mike Beth, thanks for some great info and advice. Mike > Beth >=20 > - stuck at work this summer and living vicariously through others. > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Apr 12 12:32:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64468 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 19:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 19:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 19:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-122-138-73.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.138.73] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JklSZ-0003zF-Qz for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:32:24 -0400 Message-ID: <48010D75.5080603@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:28:53 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478325684188a82371cef4536d9bb9ec9a6fcb7793c83a3b5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Crazyiest/ biggest coaster or park trip you've done X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=oVmFzkAu5OujC7G9zEbQ2Uii1iVH6xoHiPrIR2oKV9a1i_A X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike's itinerary got me thinking and reminiscing a bit about a couple of the trips I've done- trips I loved and have great memories of, but for some would be once in a lifetime deals. Thought it also might make a good topic for discussion. So what was some of your craziest trips you've done? How many parks in how many days? Where'd you go? What did you do? I've had three of them that immediately come to mind. The first one was Oct. 2001, where 6 of us from the list got together for a crazy trip that took us from Cedar Point on a Friday night (worst day at a park for me, ever! Gotta love CP ripping me off. hehe), driving overnight to Dorney where we spent the next day, then hauling to Knobel's that night for PPP. The next day it was off to Lakemont, where the lack of sleep started to kick in, and ending at what was then Six Flags Worlds of Adventure (closed? What do you mean it's closed? Let us in! Well, at least they didn't take our money then tell us that.) That's where the infamous, "Josh, call your parents now!" bit comes in. hehe. I still remember them starting to bomb Afghanistan the night before I was going to fly home and wondering if the airlines were going to fly or not. Yeah, those 9/11 jitters were still in high swing. Next one was with the same group and a couple of others mixing in here and there did a crazy week in May of 2002. Flew out of L.A. to Cleveland on the red eye, then that same day went to Cedar Point all day (the return was a good one- almost made up for the previous trip) then went to King's Island (felt as crowded as any park I've ever seen), SFKK ("This here is coaster number 27 on this here map" - say it with your best hilbilly twang), Holiday World for SRM (awesome!), Indiana Beach (reminded me of SCBB), a day and a half at Six Flags Great America (they even had Deja Vu running! And thought Josh and I were going to die on Viper) and closed out with a half day at SFWoA where I got most of the coasters. That was a heck of a lot for a week. The last one would be my moving trip from CA to Florida, where I crammed a 4 day drive into 14 planned around parks and other stops and along with dodging T-storms all across the country managed to get to: Vegas- Stratosphere, Sam's Town, Star Trek- wanted more time Hoover Dam and the Grand Canyon- they're really big! Cliff's- NM Rattler was a great coaster. I'm jealous Alan Wonderland in Amarillo- Shetto is a good word! Frontier City- I loved this little park. Diamondback hurt mine Bell's- I'm still hoping it comes back A few days visiting my Mom near Branson, saw Laura Ingall's home and SDC SFStL- Merlin or Ninja? Did we ever decide which was worse? The St. Louis Arch Libertyland in Memphis- what do you mean it's closed for no power? Dollywood- Thunderhead is still in my top 3-5. Wow! SFoG- Qbot was a life saver on a crowded Weds Wild Adventures- it's a family park, but boy was it fun Yeah, that was a heck of a trip. :) So what else is out there? keep on ridin' George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 16:48:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41458 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 23:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 23:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 23:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 23:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 23:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 23:48:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:48:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48010D75.5080603@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Crazyiest/ biggest coaster or park trip you've done X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=NP-ZdfLB4PhbKaPhsajTzLwiwqryqtk5yflhU0eXzA0C0s9Snw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > So what was some of your craziest trips you've done? How many=20 parks in=20 > how many days? Where'd you go? What did you do? >=20 > So what else is out there? >=20 > keep on ridin' > George I did two trips that were particularly whacked, for different=20 reasons. This got way longer than I thought, so I'll split it into=20 two posts. One year, (2002 I believe) I flew home from Italy to see my cousin=20 get married, and initiate my own divorce. I had a couple weeks=20 to 'kill' between the two, so I put together a little trip to hit the=20 Ace Coaster Classics of Pennsylvania...=20 It rapidly escalated to over 100 coasters in just 11 days.=20 I flew from Boston to BWI and drove down to Williamsburg.=20 Day 1: Busch Gardens Europe Day 2: King's Dominion Day 3: Six Flags America Day 4: Williams Grove and Hersheypark Day 5: Dorney Park, Knoebels and Del Grosso's=20 Day 6: Lakemont Park, Idlewild, Kennywood Day 7: Lake Compounce, Waldameer, Martin's Fantasy Island, Darien Lake Day 8: Marineland, Canada's Wonderland Day 9: Cedar Point Day 10: Geauga Lake Day 11: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame and fly from Cleveland to Boston When I rented the car 1-way from Baltimore to Cleveland, I doubt they=20 expected e to rack up 3000 miles! I actually stayed in hotels every=20 night, and it was a lot of fun. I definitely rushed through a couple=20 of gems, (Kennywood and Knoebels particularly) but I accomplished my=20 goal.=20 And then some. Chris =20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 16:50:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57723 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 23:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 23:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 23:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 23:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 23:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 23:50:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:50:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48010D75.5080603@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Crazyiest/ biggest coaster or park trip you've done X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ELXqJrshpLDTXFjvWfGKGtCwpm89aaL-cZRkfkzZYxXdiOoubw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: =20 > So what was some of your craziest trips you've done? How many=20 parks in=20 > how many days? Where'd you go? What did you do? >=20 > keep on ridin' > George The other trip was crazy, but far more exhausting, despite the=20 smaller number of parks involved. This was my big Europe trip of=20 2002. I didn't drive or fly at all. Instead, this was all trains and=20 buses. And only one hotel.=20 I hopped on the train in Formia, Italy and changed in Rome to an=20 overnight sleeper train to Paris.=20 The next morning, upon arrival in Paris, I went to Disneyland Paris=20 and Walt Disney Studios. (This was back when the only E-ticket at WDS=20 was RNRC and they were letting people into the studios for FREE after=20 4PM.) As soon as I had my fill of the Studios, I caught the first available=20 train to London, where I checked into my only hotel of the trip.=20 The next day was Thorpe where they had just broken ground on what=20 would eventually become Nemesis Inferno. And back to the hotel.=20 Day 3 was my sightseeing day in London, and that evening I checked=20 out of the hotel and caught an overnight bus to Blackpool.=20 Day 4 was the Pleasure Beach. I remember arriving in Blackpool at=20 5:30 AM, and freezing for hours waiting for the park to open. That=20 evening I took a bus to Stoke-on-Trent.=20 And then the trip went to h3ll.=20 The bus arrived in Stoke-on-Trent FAR earlier than I had thought.=20 2AM. Everything was closed, even the few hotels I could find had locked up=20 for the night. So I slept in the bus station for a little bit, then=20 went back to walking around trying to stay warm.=20 Eventually, as it must, the sun came up, I found a place for=20 breakfast and caught a bus out to Alton Towers. I had fun, right up=20 until I was leaving and wanted to buy a souvenier. The park didn't=20 take credit cards inside the park. (Only for admission.) I went to=20 the ATM, and found out that it was drained. I went to the ticket=20 office to try and get a cash advance on my card, and it was maxed.=20 In a panic, I checked my cash, and I did have enough to get back to=20 London. Since I already had my Chunnel ticket back to Paris, I was ok=20 there and my RailPass was good for several more days so I could get=20 home if I had to. I couldn't figure out what had happened until after=20 I got back to London and I called my bank.=20 My wife had decided to go to Vegas and maxed out the credit card and=20 emptied my bank account while there.=20 Gee, thanks. Any surprise that a year later I'd be filing for=20 divorce?=20 So the bank offered me an emergency loan of $500, more than enough to=20 get me to payday in a day or two. Seconds after they confirmed the=20 deposit into my account, I withdrew it all from the ATM, and caught=20 the train to Paris.=20 I arrived at Parc Asterix shortly after opening, and then caught an=20 overnight train to Germany and Heide Park.=20 Next was another overnight train back to Paris, (seeing the pattern=20 yet?) where I spent the day sightseeing. That night's train was to a=20 town on the France / Spain border. I had to cross the border on foot=20 for some reason, and spent the day on foot in Irun, Spain, waiting=20 for my (overnight) train to Madrid.=20 Parque Warner Madrid was brand new only a couple weeks old, Stunt=20 Fall wasn't even open yet, but it was still very nice. That night's=20 train took me to Barcelona, then a transfer to Tarragona, and=20 Universal Studios Port Aventura.=20 After that park, I had my last overnighter to Turin, then to Rome,=20 then back to Formia.=20 So, 5 countries, 9 parks, 11 days, sleeping on trains and buses (and=20 a bus station), showering at waterparks, all with a giant backpack.=20 Not the best way to see Europe, and I'd never survive the same trip=20 now, but it does make an interesting story. (I swear I TR'd it=20 here...) Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 18:22:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98748 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2008 01:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2008 01:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2008 01:22:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46527 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2008 01:22:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mlrqgsMVM1mLkFt5dkr119Dtb.9bufqlJ0nK6PZc4fPq_xdVG61vLTltwrH7vj_TSU5SGQ1Di2WSsFiSQFQ0oizI4GdmCHr.u_btNX91nQdyBPel943xHl8XMP1jSA-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:22:20 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:22:20 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1208031778.2621.16945.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <916850.46087.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Crazyiest/ biggest coaster or park trip you've done X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=w8P0Cv1gdTqt3y2w3wGpafZt-QZYyJk18jZxPm_7oWQn2tWtnioP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A buddy and I used to hit three or four parks in a week, and I thought that was a lot. But after Karen and I got married, we tortured our children with coaster marathons covering over a thousand miles at a whack. The most intense trip I remember was when we went to six parks in seven days. There just wasn't any time to enjoy it. We flew through Knoebels, Lakemont, Idlewild, King's Island, Hersheypark and Dutch Wonderland. The next year we went to Holiday World, Indiana Beach, Six Flags Great America, Michigan's Adventure and Conneaut Lake. For most of the trip, the temperature was incredibly oppressive. After that, we decided to stick with just two or three parks maximum in a week. We enjoy them a lot more now. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Sat Apr 12 23:24:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92172 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2008 06:24:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2008 06:24:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2008 06:24:52 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so455612ywk.78 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.97.6 with SMTP id u6mr4991364ybb.33.1208067891721; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.196.8 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30804122324w68318aep62d24cf87484600e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:24:51 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48010D75.5080603@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48010D75.5080603@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Crazyiest/ biggest coaster or park trip you've done X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=HX66-Tc2W_YU5fGE2b8EpDiGq80MquuN1aiXYiC0haxuMEY_ X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I listed a couple of mine in that other thread. '04 was my craziest year and I did most of my trips that year completely alone... 10-days in the northwest, logged well over 2000 miles on the rental car. Flew into Portland, hit the 3 parks in the area, spent 2 1/2 days quite a ways south in coastal Oregon visiting my aunt and uncle. Portland to Spokane in a day along the Columbia River Gorge stopping at just about every scenic overlook and waterfall along the way. A day at Silverwood, a day in Seattle w/ park visits, 2 days in Vancouver with a park visit, and back to Seattle for tourist stuff before hightailing it back to Portland for the flight home. A month after that was the 10-day midwest tour that started with a drive from Michigan to my brother's place in Rochester, MN. From there to Arnolds, Adventureland, Worlds of Fun, Silver Dollar City, Celebration City, Magic Springs, Libertyland (also did the Graceland tour), SFStL, Holiday World & SFKK. Less that 2 weeks after that was a training class in Maine where I tacked on The Great Escape, Canobie, Funtown and Old Orchard Beach. And about 2 weeks after that was another 9-day road trip to Martin's Fantasy Island, SFDL, Waldameer, Marineland, Seabreeze, Knoebels, Hershey, Dutch Wonderland, Williams Grove, DelGrosso's, Lakemont, Idlewild, and Kennywood. Of course, '03 was the year I hit nearly every park in California in a week and did the split Florida/Holiday World trip... And it's not so much that I got rid of all the "crazy" those years, it's just that I'm running out of vast swatches of the US that I'm able to string together into another crazy trip and I haven't taken the opportunity to put together the equivalent trips overseas yet. Beth From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 09:08:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73068 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48010D75.5080603@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Crazyiest/ biggest coaster or park trip you've done X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=qesZDbQo9jpeI0yl5wYByrxUb2TpKUlkKkThqfFBRHiojG3lowJz X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > The first one was Oct. 2001, where 6 of us from the list got together=20 > for a crazy trip that took us from Cedar Point on a Friday night=20 (worst=20 > day at a park for me, ever! Gotta love CP ripping me off. hehe),=20 > driving overnight to Dorney where we spent the next day, then hauling=20 to=20 > Knobel's that night for PPP. The next day it was off to Lakemont,=20 where=20 > the lack of sleep started to kick in, and ending at what was then Six=20 > Flags Worlds of Adventure (closed? What do you mean it's closed?=20=20 Let=20 > us in! Well, at least they didn't take our money then tell us that.)=20 > That's where the infamous, "Josh, call your parents now!" bit comes=20 in.=20 Since I was on this trip with you George, I'll add to it. Before we=20 left on this, I had just spent 2 days in FL at Wet N Wild and IOA.=20=20 Follow it with this trip, and then left a day later for 3 days in=20 Vegas. (Yeah, there were a few coasters involved) That was the longest stretch of days I've had that were coaster related. We don't take nearly that Caliber of trip anymore. Last year we did the 5 days of Disney with a day at Daytona Beach in=20 the middle. Josh, it will be a lot easier for you than it was for us,=20 that's for sure.=20=20 Razzle Dazzle, -Brian F. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 09:16:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15925 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2008 16:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2008 16:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2008 16:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 16:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 16:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 16:16:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:16:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DavP8HYWeD1ebj7KCfTQxmleylh_Wl4fdMQHRkvLoMmMbs8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this year. Cedar Point (I haven't been there since 1995). > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most interested in. Ravine Flyer II > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested in. Kawasemi (Tobu Zoo Park) looks intriguing, and Mammut (Gardaland) just looks like alot of fun. > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. Toy Story Mania > 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. New Mexico Rattler > 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Disneyland > 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. Most likely only 4 > 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? No (no money) > 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in the world). Expedition GeForce > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the world). DisneySea From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 10:33:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48770 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2008 17:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2008 17:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2008 17:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 17:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 17:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2008 17:33:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:33:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder, etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ayJfwSzOyb0IjBPDUWOMHcFY5Hn_XU5tY-7uQDLwwh1Qzl8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Dear Roller Coaster Talk Members, I'm going to try and make this post as emotion free, and succinct as possible. CONTRIBUTIONS: There is this thing called the 80/20 Rule. In terms of this Group, it represents the Membership vs the Contributors. 20% of us will actively contribute. (I am not slighting the silent majority). To this end, I am what is termed as a News Hound, in the hopes that said News might stimulate conversation. Of course the 80/20 rule applies here as well. Only 20% of the News topics will stimulate any form of conversation. With these News items, I choose a very broad Amusement Industry approach. The Anniversary Reminders mostly fall into this category. ANNIVERSARY REMINDERS: I have stated twice, what criteria I have been using for the Anniversary Reminders. However, I will state them again. Date =96 The Coaster or Park in question must have an official date of either "Opening" or "Closing". An official date is either verified by RCDB, the Park's Website, or other credible sources. This date must consist of a complete date (Day/Month/Year). The Groups Calendar will not accept an entry without a complete date. (There are other Calendar inadequacies, but that is another subject.) There are many entries in the Calendar that have unverifiable dates, therefore they were automatically disqualified for an Anniversary Notice. (BTW =96 The Anniversary Notices have been in play for a couple of years now.) Importance =96 Since Roller Coasters make-up the majority of the Calendar's entries, and since I did not want to inundate the Group with too many Anniversary Notices, I chose coasters that had some sort of significance. For example the 1st of a certain type or make (again, verifiable). And yes, this includes the aforementioned Galaxi. Of course, this list is by no means complete. WORLD VIEW: Even though it may be true that most people on RCT are from the United States, it must also be known that we have several members who reside elsewhere (can you say South America?), or people who have traveled extensively (Yes, Chris, I'm talking about you). Therefore it behooves us to think with more of a World View. To me, this includes the Anniversary Notices. And yes, this is with the inclusion of Veega Land, in India (which happens to working on it's 8th season). I hope this clarifies any misunderstandings associated with the choices I have made as far as the Anniversary Notices. At this point I will concede to the final judgment of the Group, and to our fearless leader George. Respectfully Submitted, Alan Kroll Moderator News Hound Calendar Maven Links Wrangler From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 13 22:50:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82480 invoked by uid 7800); 14 Apr 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Date: 14 Apr 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Message-ID: <1208152215.12.82478.m36@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=jbWOZ5RUyNIzN9zkcJD7XDP1208152209-1" --YCalReminder=jbWOZ5RUyNIzN9zkcJD7XDP1208152209-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Beast (Ohio) opened Monday April 14, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=jbWOZ5RUyNIzN9zkcJD7XDP1208152209-1-- From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 04:57:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22525 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 11:57:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 11:57:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 11:57:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83093 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2008 11:57:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Nno5LnIVM1lZVCzCWlsHc.Zch18B98xtjfpSVw_qHTDYkCp.IYjF7F9FkhbnO3lFq2xDXBTJnZ_G4LgUxJrcdu3.qSkPu.Z_RjgpMJHx_IfsPSe87pDOVY5OBW07 X-Received: from [24.140.11.171] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:57:28 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:57:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1208152215.12.82478.m36@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <136407.83062.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=W2d3xOX0m9X1zTPjyEqf22UsasXGf-VnvUUcOGNZC32kyP67Dvx1GUPQpSXx66GD X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find it interesting that the Beast still holds that record after almost 3= 0 years. 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Group Title: = Beast (Ohio) opened Date: Monday April 14, 2008 Time: = All Day Repeats: This event repeats every year. Location: = Kings Mills, Ohio Notes: The Beast opened on this day in 1979 at Kin= gs Island in Kings Mills, Ohio. It is the current record holder for the lon= gest (length in feet) at 7359' - the record has held since it opened. = Yahoo! Greetings: Send a Yahoo! Greeting Yahoo! Shopping: = Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide Get reminders on your mobile= , Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Pr= ivacy Policy=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 06:14:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37050 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 13:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 13:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 13:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:14:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:14:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <136407.83062.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=tCuBrb4U6c7F4y_tqR4vAtERpYcYa9OHBpjmgqT2CicB6yRlQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well, it's not precisely correct. When it opened, it was the longest=20 wood coaster, but Daidasaurus had actually opened some nine years=20 earlier. (Longest Coaster, steel or wood, until 1991, when Ultimate=20 opened.)=20 So anywho, it doesn't surprise me that no one's made a longer wood=20 coaster. Length requires either speed, which is of course height=20 dependant; or multiple lifts. Both increase the cost of a ride=20 exponentially, as the volume of lumber needed grows.=20 That, coupled with the immense amount of space such large rides need,=20 and most parks have a finite amount of land to work with, limit the=20 likelyhood that Beast's length will ever be eclipsed by a wood coaster.=20 Heck, I doubt we'll ever see the Steel length crown ever get taken from=20 Steel Dragon 2000, until the ride gets demolished someday.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "wiley reed jr."=20 wrote: > > I find it interesting that the Beast still holds that record after=20 almost 30 years. >=20 > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote:=20 > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group Title: = =20 Beast (Ohio) opened Date: Monday April 14, 2008=20=20=20=20 Time: All Day Repeats: This event repeats every year. = =20 Location: Kings Mills, Ohio Notes: The Beast opened on this=20 day in 1979 at Kings Island in Kings Mills, Ohio. It is the current=20 record holder for the longest (length in feet) at 7359' - the record=20 has held since it opened. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 06:19:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21018 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 13:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 13:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 13:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:19:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:19:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Indiana Jones stunt show coming to Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2GaG4u3O9NLu6x_Iq5l7aowMIZ5KTpaYZ8m6u8zqsPw6u_U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 14, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1669 By Brady MacDonald ANAHEIM, CA -- Indiana Jones (IJ) swings into Disneyland (DL) this summer in a live-action stunt show timed to coincide with the 4th installment of the movie series, "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull." The Anaheim theme park is casting actors with combat experience for the Indy role, a duplicitous female archaeologist and a physically imposing bad guy for "The Summer of Hidden Mysteries," a staged show to be performed on the balconies, rooftops and streets of Adventureland, according to the DL auditions website. Park visitors would be enlisted to help solve mysteries and uncover ancient artifacts during the performance. The stunt show ties together the highly anticipated movie opening, May 22, with the theme park's IJ Adventure: Temple of the Forbidden Eye attraction. According to the casting call: * The IJ character, a rugged adventurer in his 40s, tosses off comic lines, throws a punch and interacts well with children =97 all with equal ability. * The female archaeologist, in her late 20s to early 40s with an English accent, starts out kind and helpful but eventually reveals a villainous side. * The bad guy, a brute with physical agility and stamina, pursues IJ through the crowded streets of Adventureland before a culminating series of balcony and rooftop confrontations. If the new IJ movie proves successful, the DL stunt show could take up residence in Adventureland's current Aladdin's Oasis theater through Christmas, according to MiceAge's Al Lutz. ---------- Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 06:30:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45311 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 13:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 13:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 13:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:30:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:30:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Ocean tailors Disneyland campaign X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dEThpUIGNeyQhF-Jcs9TK8SQIvSeQDlZL-o2XQzdnXFjk2M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 14-Apr-08 Media Week Brand Republic http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/801743/Ocean-tailors-Disneyland-campaign/ by Isabella Piasecka LONDON, UK -- Ocean Outdoor has created a bespoke site for Disneyland Resort Paris by incorporating a large digital screen into its central London banner at Centrepoint, Charing Cross Road. The modified site, which includes a 2D tower above the standard banner, will promote Disneyland's latest theme park ride in Paris, "Tower of Terror". Promotional staff will photograph pedestrians in the area throughout the 4-week campaign, which launched last week. The images will then be uploaded almost immediately onto the digital screen located within the 2D tower. Centrepoint is one of Ocean's most established locations, targeting more than 3.5 million people in Central London across a 2-week period. ------------ Haymarket Media =A92008 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Apr 14 06:31:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19868 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 13:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 13:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.228) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 13:31:24 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so1128025wxd.22 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:31:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.190.14 with SMTP id n14mr3214729anf.142.1208179883472; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:31:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0804140631j5125b408vb23004de6ec0a140@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:31:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <136407.83062.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=NZIe3ukQf0SjqrjJKSj6kE3lKOTHoxLxzAqgp0UQ2ZafYyU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska http://rcdb.com/id1188.htm What the hell is this ride. It looks absolutely terrible, but in a fascinating "what were they thinking" way. In the history part of the IMDB link it says "this use to be a twin racing roller coaster. The two tracks were combined into one long track." I urge you all to check out the pictures. Anyone on this list ever been on the ride? Is it as terrible as it looks? -Mike On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Chris wrote: > > > > > > > Well, it's not precisely correct. When it opened, it was the longest > wood coaster, but Daidasaurus had actually opened some nine years > earlier. (Longest Coaster, steel or wood, until 1991, when Ultimate > opened.) > > So anywho, it doesn't surprise me that no one's made a longer wood > coaster. Length requires either speed, which is of course height > dependant; or multiple lifts. Both increase the cost of a ride > exponentially, as the volume of lumber needed grows. > > That, coupled with the immense amount of space such large rides need, > and most parks have a finite amount of land to work with, limit the > likelyhood that Beast's length will ever be eclipsed by a wood coaster. > > Heck, I doubt we'll ever see the Steel length crown ever get taken from > Steel Dragon 2000, until the ride gets demolished someday. > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "wiley reed jr." > wrote: > > > > I find it interesting that the Beast still holds that record after > almost 30 years. > > > > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group Title: > Beast (Ohio) opened Date: Monday April 14, 2008 > Time: All Day Repeats: This event repeats every year. > Location: Kings Mills, Ohio Notes: The Beast opened on this > day in 1979 at Kings Island in Kings Mills, Ohio. It is the current > record holder for the longest (length in feet) at 7359' - the record > has held since it opened. > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Apr 14 06:33:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34335 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 13:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 13:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.251) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 13:33:29 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b20so387991ana.14 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:33:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr5711493anh.153.1208180005625; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:33:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0804140633m4b1adf16y7b46388d28c2a0d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:33:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder, etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=bhXLt8ZB1kWpm03lFRE9Jk0vO7Dgbiz00NtFAtuHLpLVS8M X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Hey Alan, Just wanted to say thanks for all of your contributions to the list. In all honesty I delete most of the news articles, and only go back to the ones that get replies. However, they are great for those boring mornings in the office. Keep up the good work. Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 06:42:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25075 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 13:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 13:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 13:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:42:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:42:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Magic goes on as Tokyo Disneyland turns 25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gVanNZY4pDONgn0lqsc0BMeGEngy36D-0-BKS_UrSE8dYWg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 12, 2008 Agence France-Presse Google News http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jG74coPobhVGqnQ8e_Bb1HCny59g MAIHAMA, JP -=97 The Japanese are having fewer children and Disneyland's (DL) abroad face problems, but the magic has not dimmed here where Mickey and friends are marking 25 years with fans as loyal as ever. Tokyo Disneyland (TDL) opened in the suburbs of the Japanese capital on April 15, 1983 as the company's first theme park outside the US. Built on reclaimed land in Tokyo Bay dubbed "Maihama" -- a Japanese take on Miami Beach near Florida's Disney World -- the resort has sprawled out to include hotels, a shopping mall, an aqua park and soon a permanent Cirque du Soleil. "The moment I arrive at Maihama Station, my heart starts singing with its legs doing dance steps," said Toshiko Sugano. "I turn 58 next month, so I'll have to come back to celebrate." She was spending the day at DL with her 31-y.o. daughter and 54-y.o. sister, all still enchanted since they first came a quarter century ago. "It's a totally different world here, away from real everyday life," the elder Sugano said. Her daughter, Izumi, a Disney maniac who has visited the park more than 100 times, teased her mother over how much she has warmed to the characters. "She was initially taken aback when Mickey put his arm around her shoulder. Now she springs towards Mickey if she finds him," Izumi said. As Japan's birth rate sinks to one of the world's lowest, TDL has already set its sights on people like the Suganos, the generation who grew up admiring Disney cartoons on television and took their children to the park at the opening. Oriental Land Co. Ltd., the Japanese company that runs the park under a license contract with the Walt Disney group, in March launched a cut-rate pass for visitors aged 60 or older. Sugano is determined to get one. "It's 2 more years to go. Knowing that I'll be able to get it, it's quite nice getting old," she said. Takashi Fujisawa, 31, came all the way from Japan's northernmost island of Hokkaido with his wife and 3-y.o. son. It was his second visit after the first trip 16 years ago with his parents. "I feel strange coming back here as a father bringing a son myself," he said, carefully adjusting the position of a baby stroller to take pictures of the sleeping boy with Cinderella Castle in the background. The number of visitors to DL and DisneySea, the water park opened in 2001, has stood at record levels of around 25 million in recent years, up from 9.9 million people in DL's first year. Since 1983 a total of 436 million people have visited the 2 parks that sit next to the megalopolis. Visits have become such a rite of passage that DL even holds a traditional coming-of-age ceremony for 20-y.o's each year with Mickey and Minnie. Oriental Land puts annual revenue from theme parks at 285 billion yen (2.8 billion dollars) -- a far cry from the performances of other overseas DLs. Hong Kong government figures showed in December that visitor numbers at Hong Kong DL fell up to 23% in its 2nd year of operation. Visitors to the 15-y.o. Euro Disney hit a record of 14.5 million in 2007 but the operation was still in the red for a 6th straight year. Tokyo DL benefits from being in a nation that widely embraces US pop culture and commonly accepts grown-ups, particularly women, pursuing the same hobbies and fashions as children. Hideki Nakagawa, a sociology professor at Nihon University, said going to DL has turned into a "fashion in itself" in Japan, with frequent visitors collecting Disney items. "You feel superior if you go there many times, while it makes others feel they must go as well," he said. As it looks ahead, DL is hoping to become more of a true "resort," persuading adults not only to come and visit but to stay for a few days as well. TDL Resort's latest on-line promotion offers "romantic night views" at DisneySea, with pictures showing a couple who turn 60 this year strolling and dining at the park. "It's been a long time since I last talked with my husband this much. Next time I come, I want a package to stay," the woman in the advertisement says as she clings to her husband's arm. -------------- Hosted by Google Copyright =A9 2008 AFP From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 06:45:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67188 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 13:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 13:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 13:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 13:45:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:45:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0804140631j5125b408vb23004de6ec0a140@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lvSruloivEaKJK_1Z3Kj6xmIemfjomLl1RVPG-InasuevPA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Instead of taking a nice long quiet Train Ride, you can take a nice long quiet Coaster Ride? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" wrote: > http://rcdb.com/id1188.htm >=20 > What the hell is this ride. It looks absolutely terrible, but in a > fascinating "what were they thinking" way. >=20 > In the history part of the IMDB link it says "this use to be a twin > racing roller coaster. The two tracks were combined into one long > track." >=20 > I urge you all to check out the pictures. Anyone on this list ever > been on the ride? Is it as terrible as it looks? >=20 > -Mike From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 14 06:51:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12741 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 13:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 13:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 13:51:13 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so784004wra.22 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:51:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.164.1 with SMTP id m1mr3361164rve.69.1208181072886; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:51:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:51:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder, etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=5LBVH9iP1feWCFUrUKEPsWVugukKl-FHNsw-beZrSGfU0XjOpRPJE5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > ANNIVERSARY REMINDERS: > I have stated twice, what criteria I have been using for the > Anniversary Reminders. However, I will state them again. Alan, I don't believe anyone has questioned you on the criteria you use to determine which items get entered into the calendar. However, I have (and still do) question the criteria used to determine which events are flagged to send out reminders and which are not. -Nate From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Apr 14 07:30:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92006 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 14:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 14:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 14:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c07.329cae29 (39954) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:29:20 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=lbob9U97nv3-5VArT0R8U_gSIzhHfVOaZ5T92squnFMdMYU8zw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As long as we are talking about The Beast, Kings Island opens this Sunday, April 20th. For those of you who belong to a bonafide coaster club, such as ACE, etc, you are invited to join us for the walkback. It meets at the Kings Island Theater at 9:45am. We will get the first ride of the day. This will take place during all the operating days throughout the season! Come out and ride the world's longest wooden coaster! Brian **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 17:43:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18236 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 00:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 00:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 00:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 00:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 00:43:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:43:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0804140631j5125b408vb23004de6ec0a140@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Daidarasaurus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=JztVZAJ3to435KIzpcTVLUI8QZDaFZfCYlK65kTutZRvtsgagmnh X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan"=20 wrote: > > http://rcdb.com/id1188.htm >=20 > What the hell is this ride. It looks absolutely terrible, but in a > fascinating "what were they thinking" way. > I urge you all to check out the pictures. Anyone on this list ever > been on the ride? Is it as terrible as it looks? >=20 > -Mike What looks so bad about it? I don't get it. Maybe a little pointless,=20 as if there really needs to be a mine train that long. Probably would=20 be more fun to ride if you were racing the other train. Kinda like=20 Gemini at CP. It's kinda fun when racing, but just plain boring when=20 not. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 18:28:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81875 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 01:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 01:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 01:28:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12484 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2008 01:28:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8lnHlKMVM1m7JKtnh7xLZZHlUgkWl3kPYpzVXySuzKN1vm05jK0TM9JODRzihspvtwE1O0BjbQ-- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:28:25 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:28:25 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1208210956.2900.45691.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <694225.11794.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=c2cRIz4zB9aNhdTfRRzo2KvhD7qEjjQe92qNqQks_HzM8491XkuZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What the hell is this ride. It looks absolutely terrible, but in a fascinating "what were they thinking" way. < It might make a nice scenic railway if there were more scenery besides pavement. It looks like they simply took the end of the first track and attached it to the station of the second track, like Kennywood's Racer. If so they probably could still run it as a racing coaster. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 21:49:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87216 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 04:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 04:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 04:49:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 04:49:35 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 04:49:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 04:49:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:49:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=WuvCG30n5-mG-8Y29_X8evEl2RBy3McNx7rH36nSLlndzWFqgA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Daidasaurus was one of the noisiest coasters I've ever been on. I=20 think it's a result of the combination of angle iron track and solid=20 upstops instead of wheels. (The track is like on a monster mouse.) It=20 just rattles everything as it travels along the track.=20 It's weird going through the other side of the station without=20 stopping. They did remove the flooring and stairs from that=20 side,IIRC.=20 It's also completely obvious where they removed the old sections of=20 track to swap sides.=20 Anywho, it is fairly unimpressive, despite the length. Gao was far,=20 far cooler. (That's the one with the giant stegasaurus on the first=20 drop.) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Instead of taking a nice long quiet Train Ride, you can take a nice > long quiet Coaster Ride? >=20 > -Alan >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > wrote: > > http://rcdb.com/id1188.htm > >=20 > > What the hell is this ride. It looks absolutely terrible, but in=20 a > > fascinating "what were they thinking" way. > >=20 > > In the history part of the IMDB link it says "this use to be a=20 twin > > racing roller coaster. The two tracks were combined into one long > > track." > >=20 > > I urge you all to check out the pictures. Anyone on this list=20 ever > > been on the ride? 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--YCalReminder=OY9wlJoR1LLK6W7tPATyPPN1208238622-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 06:42:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1336 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 13:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 13:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 13:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:42:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:42:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder, etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yG86ob1vIA27_5t3qvhZ37sR6pib6wHIbufqZC-sLV2Sse4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Actually, there's a ton of stuff in the Calendar that I didn't put in there, and most of those don't have a reminder notice. The main reason they don't is because of the reasons I have already stated. And for me, usually the only time I put something into the Calendar these days is if it meets my criteria. Except Coasters; there are plenty of Coasters on the Calendar that have a verifiable Opening/Closing date. They just don't usually get a reminder notice because there is nothing significant about them. Of course if anyone has any other criteria for reminders they would like to use, I'm more than willing to discuss those too. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > Alan, I don't believe anyone has questioned you on the criteria you > use to determine which items get entered into the calendar. However, > I have (and still do) question the criteria used to determine which > events are flagged to send out reminders and which are not. >=20 > -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 06:50:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19741 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 13:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 13:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 13:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:50:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:50:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Tokyo Disneyland eyes new facility in Asia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rXzsB3EmGgzULMuC13f2bQWqUO7YMb8PqPf_45BdP2Zskd8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 15, 2008 Agence France Presse Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080415/bs_afp/lifestylejapanleisureentertainm= entdisneyland_080415071934 MAIHAMA, JP -- The operator of Tokyo Disneyland (TDL) said Tuesday it was considering opening a new facility in Southeast Asia as fans flocked to the theme park on its 25th anniversary. Oriental Land Co. (OLC) chairman Toshio Kagami said the company wanted to operate a new leisure facility other than a theme park in Japan. "Maybe we will start with Southeast Asia," he told reporters here as Mickey and friends marked a quarter century in Japan. An Oriental Land spokesman said no firms plans had been drawn up for another facility. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Agence France Presse Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 06:56:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62851 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 13:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 13:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 13:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 13:56:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:56:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Euro Disney puts Gas in charge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yZ9kWxyvx36KN3rsmkCOtNB_6wYIDHqB0LpzLNXdTyAr90o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 14 Apr 2008 World Leisure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=3D61943 MARNE LA VALLE'E, ILE-DE-FRANCE, FR -- Philippe Gas has been appointed as the new president of Euro Disney S.A.S., the management company of the Disneyland Resort Paris (DLP). A 17-year veteran with the Disney company, Gas joined the organisation in 1991 as finance controller and was part of the launch team at DLP. In 1997, he was promoted to director, corporate compensation and moved to The Walt Disney Company headquarters in Burbank, CA, before returning to DLP in 2004 as Senior VP, human resources. "I am pleased to return to DLP, where I started my Disney career," said Gas. "I look forward to working with the cast to continue delivering high-quality Disney experience for all of our guests." ------------- =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 07:09:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82620 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 14:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 14:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 14:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 14:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 14:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 14:09:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:09:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hong Kong focus in Disney Union campaign X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=00wj8aKg7DvyNHSMpfzC8co7w4_G6i8xPAMxrEf3Xe8HWtE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 14.04.2008 Union Network International http://www.union-network.org/uniflashes.nsf/58f61ccf5875fe90c12567bb005642f= 9/faa03c78877947ffc125742b00363cae?OpenDocument LANTAU ISLAND, HONG KONG, CHINA -- Disney unions from 3 continents will be in Hong Kong this week to help build a global trade union alliance in Disney and to boost the UNI campaign to organise workers at Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL). UNI is backing the Disney cast members union - HKDLCMU - that already has several hundred members in HKDL and which has won worker backing for union access rights. A recent union survey reveals more than 90% support for union access and communication rights with staff in HKDL. "Access for the union is a key issue so that basic labour rights to join a union and to bargain collectively can be effective," says UNI Deputy General Secretary Philip Bowyer. The survey also shows big differences between conditions for workers in HKDL - particularly hours of work, scheduling and work pressure =96 and for unionised colleagues with a collective agreement in Disney Florida. "There can be no excuse for big discrepancies in treatment between HKDL workers and their colleagues elsewhere," says Philip Bowyer, who will meet Disney's Human Resources VP in Hong Kong Christine Wong during the 3-day UNI event. Late scheduling of working hours is a big issue at HKDL - particularly among groups like food and beverage staff. Notice of shift changes can be less than 24 hours. Overtime arrangements are also a big issue - in HKDL staff have to work 60 hours in a week before becoming entitled to overtime pay while colleagues in Florida qualify after 40 hours. There is no limit on the number of hours worked in a day at HKDL and no daily overtime premium. In Florida, Disney workers get 2 consecutive days off a week while in HKDL those 2 days are likely to be separated. "Our survey concentrated on basic issues that affect the staff's working life and their ability to create a fair work-life balance," said Elaine Hui, who is Organising Secretary for the Hong Kong Confederation of Trade Unions. "We want to work with the company to tackle the issues that cause staff problems - we all have a commitment to make HKDL a successful and fair place to work." Cast workers union HKDLCMU has established some rights to represent individual members in grievance procedures and there is dialogue with HKDL management. The Hong Kong government is the biggest shareholder in the Disney operation there that employs 5,000 workers. A UNI delegation will meet the Chief Labour Officer on 17 April to press for their assistance in ensuring labour rights. "We believe that the Hong Kong government has a responsibility to ensure that there is effective union organisation and collective bargaining in Hong Kong - including Disney," said Elaine. "We will step up the pressure for access and we will build collaboration with overseas Disney workers." The government is currently under pressure to increase its investment to help expand the attractions in HKDL - important with the announcement last week of plans to build a new Disney operation in Shanghai. US affiliates UFCW and IATSE will brief the union meeting on the situation in Disney in Florida and California while French affiliates CFDT and CGT will brief on Euro-Disney, Paris. UI Zensen is sharing information on Tokyo Disney Resort while HKDLCMU will brief on HKDL - which was built close to Hong Kong's new airport on Lantau island and aims to attract visitors from mainland China. UNI MEI's Jim Wilson and UNI Graphical's Adriana Rosenzvaig will report on how unions in other multinational companies build union alliances, help grow new unions and campaign for global agreements that will ensure labour rights wherever a company operates around the world. The UNI delegation will meet workers and visit the HKDL complex. A meeting with HR Director Greg Morley is scheduled for 17 April and the 3-day event will conclude with a meet-the-press session. Global union the IUF will also be attending the Hong Kong event. ------------ Copyright 2008 Union Network International From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 07:29:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83971 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 14:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 14:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 14:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 14:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 14:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2008 14:29:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:29:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: MGM Agrees To Build Theme Park In South Korea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GNPrQNiOBrmGmhySsFk4XE4xYISFOGcQA6J1sFzZ2gzhfAw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 04-14-2008 Agence France Presse NASDAQ http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=3D20080414\ACQDJON20= 0804140615DOWJONESDJONLINE000104.htm&&mypage=3Dnewsheadlines&title=3DMGM%20= Agrees%20To%20Build%20Theme%20Park%20In%20South%20Korea:%20Report%20-AFP SEOUL, SK -- Hollywood studio MGM has agreed to build a theme park near South Korea's international airport west of Seoul, a report said Monday. The agreement was reached between MGM and its South Korean partner, the Incheon International Airport Corp., Yonhap news agency said, quoting officials at the Ministry of Land, Transport and Maritime Affairs. The theme park, due to open in 2011 on the island of Yongjong where the airport is located, will feature MGM's blockbuster flicks and popular movie characters, it said. MGM will supply content while a master plan will be finalized within three months after a list of investors is finalized, Yonhap said. Officials were unavailable for comment. ------------ Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Apr 15 07:45:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1026 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 14:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 14:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta14.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 14:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78978421B6 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:45:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.4803fa3e.132e7 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:45:13 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIBL95tuIcuAIAAAAB,7ec1fa9770e9b23eb34e1b263acfe669 Message-ID: <51E8DA19868A490DB873E87CD5825CEC@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:45:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: The Dark Knight Dead in New England X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=4lFXCEZmo61Pwcluscd0E2pNtMONNfctET1wh9Bm76bv8siG5fT47Fumug X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Six Flags has just confirmed this morning at The Dark Knight Coaster project they were building in SFNE is dead due to all the unforseen complications with building permits and such. Instead the park will be getting another copy of the Glow In The Park parade that is coming to Six Flags Great Adventure and has already opened at Six Flags Mexico. No word on what will happen to the left-over building frame that is already up as well as the coaster itself... looks like some other lucky park could be getting a last second present. The news update is going live to Screamscape.com now, but it may take another 15-20 min to finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Apr 15 08:08:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99040 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 15:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 15:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 15:08:19 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b17so916607rvf.40 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.148.3 with SMTP id v3mr4167502rvd.264.1208272098707; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:08:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <51E8DA19868A490DB873E87CD5825CEC@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51E8DA19868A490DB873E87CD5825CEC@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Dark Knight Dead in New England X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=oFsN5wFqcYnjhBSb2bNm6Kgny92tnIC8yRYtd-XEZHEZsRDilhC_Myc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Six Flags has just confirmed this morning at The Dark Knight Coaster project they were building in SFNE is dead due to all the unforseen complications with building permits and such. This is surprising news, and there must be FAR more complications than I had thought. This is a pretty costly decision, so the problems must go beyond simple delays due to not getting permits. My guess is the coaster was not going to be approved in its current form, and that the modifications required were too extensive or too costly for Six Flags to continue. A delay (even a major one) is one thing, but a complete cancellation of a new ride is something completely different. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Tue Apr 15 08:14:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43282 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 15:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2008 15:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 15:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBF7673304 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 X-Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm101.48043574.29b11 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:08:34 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIBMTyJeUEnwIAAAAB,1d1ebbbbda4d4784915c8522d6706505 Message-ID: <1555AA2D350045FAA18941055C10B67B@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <51E8DA19868A490DB873E87CD5825CEC@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:15:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Dark Knight Dead in New England X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Yv-n_9pxY-54KvlI57llKqu5Rm3SSo28sUZq6pboR9TIPR2IRJhv_6ceeA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Nate Kohlrusch To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Dark Knight Dead in New England > Six Flags has just confirmed this morning at The Dark Knight Coaster > project they were building in SFNE is dead due to all the unforseen > complications with building permits and such. This is surprising news, and there must be FAR more complications than I had thought. This is a pretty costly decision, so the problems must go beyond simple delays due to not getting permits. My guess is the coaster was not going to be approved in its current form, and that the modifications required were too extensive or too costly for Six Flags to continue. A delay (even a major one) is one thing, but a complete cancellation of a new ride is something completely different. --- You pretty much hit it all on the head... from what I've heard the new requirements the local government wanted as far as fire escapes, extra catwalks, highly visible exit signs throughout the ride building, etc, etc, etc... it was just too much and beyond being reasonable. They were just unwilling to accept the design that was acceptable at the other two parks without extensive modifications. Funny though... it sounded like those plans were fine before they got busted for jumping the gun on the permit business... so it's almost like they were punishing them for it by adding on all kind of extra stuff. Kind of like the irate police officer you see in movies who pulls someone over and smashes a taillight just because they didn't like the additude of the driver. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 17:49:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20546 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 00:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 00:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 00:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 00:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 00:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 00:49:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:49:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1555AA2D350045FAA18941055C10B67B@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 161.149.63.106 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: The Dark Knight Dead in New England X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=-l1NAu9DH-63eCD-7DvPnssrx5__Hqfmts64EbIaSonWBNROlHHz X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > Funny though... it sounded like those plans were fine before they got=20 > busted for jumping the gun on the permit business... so it's almost=20 > like they were=20 > punishing them for it by adding on all kind of extra stuff. I'm not surprised by that aspect. I used to work in the planning=20 department for a city where getting building or planning approval after- the-fact for something you had already built automatically cost twice=20 as much -- plus whatever modifications you had to make to bring it up=20 to code. Still surprising that they cancelled it altogether... maybe they're=20 trying to call the city's bluff. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Apr 15 21:40:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91565 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 04:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 04:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 04:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bdf.2db1329f (37218) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:39:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA061-916248058317175; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: <48058317.2020103@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:39:51 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <51E8DA19868A490DB873E87CD5825CEC@ScreamscapeHP> <1555AA2D350045FAA18941055C10B67B@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <1555AA2D350045FAA18941055C10B67B@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Dark Knight Dead in New England X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=u6klM8TaPBbCi-NdFp1FE5I1_rJblaWy56WpFLQ1piEiGkE24w X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Lance wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nate Kohlrusch > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Dark Knight Dead in New England > > > >> Six Flags has just confirmed this morning at The Dark Knight Coaster >> project they were building in SFNE is dead due to all the unforseen >> complications with building permits and such. >> > > This is surprising news, and there must be FAR more complications than > I had thought. This is a pretty costly decision, so the problems must > go beyond simple delays due to not getting permits. My guess is the > coaster was not going to be approved in its current form, and that the > modifications required were too extensive or too costly for Six Flags > to continue. A delay (even a major one) is one thing, but a complete > cancellation of a new ride is something completely different. > > --- > > You pretty much hit it all on the head... from what I've heard the new > requirements > the local government wanted as far as fire escapes, extra catwalks, highly > visible exit signs throughout the ride building, etc, etc, etc... it was > just too much and beyond being reasonable. They were just unwilling to > accept the design that was acceptable at the other two parks without > extensive modifications. > Funny though... it sounded like those plans were fine before they got busted > for jumping the gun on the permit business... so it's almost like they were > punishing them for it by adding on all kind of extra stuff. > Kind of like the irate police officer you see in movies who pulls someone > over and smashes a taillight just because they didn't like the additude of > the driver. > In the end the local government could be shotting themselves in the foot here. I figure it is a good bet that the park is the largest employer and the largest tax payer in that town. By giving the park such trouble they could be just hurting themselves in the end. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Friends don't let friends drink Starbucks! McCarthy was RIGHT! From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 06:33:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3600 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 13:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 13:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.133) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 13:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:33:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:33:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Financing closer for N. Mich. theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yfs5lkWn6cpzUCo1a3yBLpU4GBAtQtoagxn3o24JqpLDwWg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 16, 2008 Associated Press http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080416/NATION/8041603= 74 LANSING, MI -- A company that wants to build a theme park in northern Michigan says it is getting closer to completing financing for the project. Patrick Crosson of Rochester-based Axiom Entertainment said last week he was "cautiously optimistic" the company would have written agreements for all of the project's financing within 2 weeks. The development and construction of the park would cost about $161 million. The deal also would include the sale of land, including some 1,700 acres of state-owned property near Grayling, with total cost estimated at $6 million. The Department of Natural Resources won't sell the state-owned land until it is comfortable financing exists for the entire project. Crosson said he hopes a deal will be in place so the commission will be ready to vote on the land sale as early as next month. The park potentially would include roller coasters, a water park, snowmobile and race car tracks and other facilities. ------------- =A9 Copyright 2008 The Detroit News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 06:50:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21449 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 13:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 13:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 13:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:50:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:50:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock visitors voice their views X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=q32x3BIdUAIA8AcAaogLUXUTxO3ZC2En1p1USDBP6b9dk1w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr. 16, 2008 The Sun News http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/business/story/418352.html By Lisa Fleisher, Jessica Foster and Jan Igoe MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- When in Rome ... Hard Rock Park (HR) designers try to transport guests into another world. The key to doing that is the details. "Hey, you're on the wrong side of the street!" Leif Frymire, 16, of Old Forge, N.Y., yelled to his friends as they entered British Invasion. Of course they were: They hadn't realized that here in "England," people drive - or in this case, walk - on the opposite side of the street. In British Invasion, the signs are underfoot: Paint on the left side of the road shows the speed limit. Frymire and his friends had come up to Myrtle Beach for the day from Charleston, where they were participating in Habitat for Humanity. They said the park was great, from a teenager's perspective. "It's awesome," said Kerrin Ehrensbeck, 16. Too much of a good thing Before HR opened, 2 lucky groups of riders got to experience 2 of the park's roller coasters. People who bid on an online charity auction raising money for the Sara Goodwin Memorial Foundation got to ride Led Zeppelin - The Ride, and winners of radio contests from WKZQ and WYAV rode Eagles: Life in the Fast Lane. An unexpected surprise: both groups got to take 2 whirls on the rides. "The 1st time was real good. The 2nd time was even better," said Eagles fan Steve Currin, who rode Life in the Fast Lane. He said he loved the way the music synced with the ride, and an added bonus was not having to fight the crowds. Jon Binkowski, HR's chief creative director, said that he talked to Eagles member Joe Walsh Tuesday, who told him they're planning to cut a new version of "Life in the Fast Lane" for the ride. Cindy Ennis spent more than $1,800 in a charity auction to get 4 members of her family in the first 2 rows of the Led Zeppelin ride. "It was totally awesome," she said. "It was worth it." But for at least 1 person, twice was one time too many. "The 2nd one 'bout killed me," said Ron Fortney, who finished the ride a bit unsure of his footing and sweating slightly. He said he absolutely loved the first ride, but he wouldn't recommend going twice in a row to anyone. Within seconds of the 1st ride starting, Fortney felt his souvenir HR baseball cap flying off into eternity, and his stomach soon followed. "Every time I looked up I saw sky, ground or ocean," he said. "I don't know what happened." Souvenir pins hot commodity HR pins were a hot item Tuesday. Amy and Richard McCormack of Mexico, N.Y., bought a few of the $10 pins for their children, but said they had a hard time finding them because some of the souvenirs shops were sold out. There were different styles, such as one with HR's logo in front of 2 crossed guitars and a set of wings in the background. The McCormacks heard that some people were already selling the pins on eBay for a profit. If that's the case, "we may liquidate a couple," Richard McCormack said. Stunts, tricks, flips galore Several shows gave park visitors a chance to kick back between rides. The Malibu Beach Party stunt show featured dancing bikini-clad girls, diving tricks and flips, and motorcycle stunts. To win a date with Malibu Barbie, 3 studs had to compete for her attention by proving themselves bad to the bone. Songs such as "Stayin' Alive" and "Helpless" blared over the loudspeakers. "I thought it was cute," said Maria Pietro, who attended the show. "I liked the motorcycles and the diving." Local band headlines event It was a little chilly to play guitar outside, but the local band The Sanson Brothers made do. They were playing classic rock covers right by The Whammy Bar near the entrance. People stopped to listen as they passed, en route to the next ride. The band - Dave, Kevin & Jeff Sanson, and Dave Gifford - is hoping its 2-day stint will lead to something more permanent, they said. "I'm waiting for them to name 'The Sanson Brothers: The Ride,'" Gifford said. Traffic jams not always bad The impact HR will have on traffic is causing concern in Carolina Forest, where traffic delays are common at intersections along US-501. But opening day turned out to be business as usual. Some businesses consider extra traffic a bonus. "It's obvious HR will increase the traffic going by us, but traffic has been working in our favor," said Pat Fire, a Carolina Forest resident and GM of Addy's Harbor Dodge on US-501, where beach-bound traffic already moves like molasses every afternoon. "As long as they can turn in here, we don't mind. It's additional exposure." ------------------- Copyright 2008 The Sun News Copyright 2008 The Associated Press From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 16 06:55:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53127 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.235) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so1671487wri.3 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.198.9 with SMTP id a9mr5216440rvq.219.1208354120394; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:55:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hard Rock visitors voice their views X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=e1FmuFKkp2s5-vohIHUZASx8jsTBkITU_i5Y8YnziwqL3wjSEVBN9xs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It was a little chilly to play guitar outside, but the local band The > Sanson Brothers made do. They "made do"? Does this publication not have an editor? Mistakes aside, has anyone seen a detailed review of this place yet? I know it just opened to the public, but I figured some coaster tool would have gotten the first report up online by now. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 06:59:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62263 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 13:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 13:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 13:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 13:59:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:59:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags aiming to become Entertainment Co. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mItnGJRh1PfZ3lzOIYGJN9B5hPck7rNcIhkzAkGdY_Of7eQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 16 April 2008 AFX News Ltd. The Associated Press Interactive Investor http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=3Dafxnews&articleid=3D6658898&subject=3Dcom= panies&action=3Darticle NEW YORK, NY -- Theme park operator Six Flags Inc. (6F) is aiming to become an entertainment company with its own characters to entice thrill-seekers to its parks much like The Walt Disney Co., its CEO said Tuesday. Mark Shapiro, a former ESPN executive who took the helm of money-losing 6F in December 2005, made the comments in a keynote speech at the gathering of the National Association of Broadcasters. He said 6F's previous strategy was based on its roller-coaster hardware, but now it would focus on building anticipation to its rides through stories and characters, while upgrading the attractions. "Approaching 6F is like building Disney, backward," he said. "The focus and the root of all and everything we do is the storytelling itself." The strategy was to "build the characters, build the story around it, build the emotion, the drama ... as opposed to just putting rides up on cement." Since becoming CEO, Shapiro said the NY-based company has invested $100 million in revamping its business model, including purchasing half of Dick Clark Productions Inc., producer of such events as the Golden Globes, last year. The production company's archived footage will be used to promote the park and entertain guests while they wait in lines for rides and food, while providing a vehicle for advertisers. Ad revenues and licensing deals abroad are expected to add $50 million in new revenue this season, he said. "We have 25 million-plus (visitors) spending up to 10 hours a day in our parks every summer," Shapiro said. "That's a captive audience like no other." 6F said its revenue in the 4th quarter of last year rose to $112 million from $104 million in the previous year, while its net loss shrank to $132 million from $195 million. The company, which operates 21 parks in North America and Mexico, also plans to help develop a 6F theme park in Dubai. On Tuesday, the company also announced it is canceling plans to build a $7 million "Dark Knight" indoor roller coaster at its Six Flags New England park. ------------- Copyright 2008 AFX News Ltd. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press Copyright 2008 Interactive Investor From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 07:16:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36494 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 14:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 14:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 14:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 14:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 14:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 14:16:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:16:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: News Articles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Tj68QRQdVKoU-Oj9OUEdgtCM7mg5SB4fbbA_OpmWsz69qQM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mike, You said something that caught my attention: "OK, 'Theme Park May Close' would be vague and make me open it." And you're right! I've been just taking whatever headline they gave. So, what I've started to do (as of today anyways), is to make the Headlines more descriptive. For example, 2 of todays headlines are "Hard Rock visitors voice their views", and "Six Flags aiming to become Entertainment Co.". In actuality, the Hard Rock headline was "Theme Park visitors voice their views" (as if HR is the only theme park!); and the headline about Six Flags wasn't a headline, it was more like a complete opening sentence -- so (obviously) I changed it. I hope this helps. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 07:22:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6642 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 14:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 14:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 14:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 14:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 14:22:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:22:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Shooting At OrlandoTheme Park Remains Unsolved X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mJVerLSauOJm2tVbG_vlwQpdAkznq7nhtIxebBJHZnhfxoo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 14, 2008 Local 10.com http://www.local10.com/news/15879948/detail.html?rss=3Dmia&psp=3Dnews FORT LAUDERDALE, FL -- A shooting at an Orlando theme park that injured 2 teenagers from Pompano Beach was over county pride. Witnesses said that the problems began Sunday when students began teasing each other. Students from Palm Beach and Broward counties began arguing and then fighting. "I saw sticks, rocks, water pipes, everything," said high school senior Rachel Marseille. Then, 3 shots were fired, hitting an 18-y.o. in the leg, according to police. Michael Rosavelt was shot, while his 16-y.o. brother, Marlin Laguerre, was hit in the mouth with a rock. Fort Lauderdale-based Xtreme Trips organized the "Spring Bling" trip and took more than 1,000 students from Broward and Palm Beach counties to Orlando for a weekend getaway. Orlando police found a handgun on one of the buses used by Xtreme Trips. The handgun was found in the bathroom, and testing will reveal if it was the gun that was used to shoot Rosavelt. Many students are blaming Xtreme Trips for not having enough chaperones to handle the problem. But a friend of Rosavelt said it wasn't the company's fault. "They were trying to break up the fight They did everything they could, but there weren't enough chaperones because it was a lot of people, like 1,600," said Owens Joseph. Orlando police said it will be difficult to determine who fired the shots because there were so many people involved, and they are now all back in south Florida. An attorney for Xtreme Trips released a statement Monday: "The incident that took place yesterday at Wet 'n Wild is highly unfortunate. It was an isolated event that was unforeseeable by Xtreme Trips' management and staff. The company extends its wishes for a quick recovery to the two individuals injured and are hopeful the people responsible for the crime are apprehended. Because there is an ongoing investigation with state and local law enforcement, Xtreme Trips has been asked not to make any further comments regarding what transpired. Xtreme Trips is one of the most successful student travel companies in the US. It has safely traveled over 35,000 students since its inception in 2002, without incident or occurrence." ----------- Copyright 2008 by Local10.com =A9 2008, Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 07:30:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52548 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 14:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 14:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 14:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 14:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 14:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 14:30:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:30:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 2008 Florida theme-park ride injuries X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=elSSJZbDdmxQ4UCtkxS8Rr5hnHVD4TmrwzDjVoa1ZyOljec X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 16, 2008 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-themeparks1608apr16,0,7813841.s= tory?track=3Drss By Scott Powers ORLANDO, FL -- Florida's major theme parks reported that several broken bones, a couple of seizures and a spinal injury were suffered by visitors during the 1st quarter of 2008. During the 3 months that ended March 31, serious-injury complaints included a 50-y.o. man who said he injured his neck and spine on the Mach V ride at Wet 'n Wild in January; a 28-y.o. woman who suffered a seizure after riding The Incredible Hulk Coaster at Universal Orlando's Islands of Adventure in February; and a 39-y.o. man who had a seizure after riding Big Thunder Mountain at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom in March. Information on those incidents was released Tuesday by the Florida Bureau of Fair Ride Inspections. The theme parks are to submit such a report whenever a visitor appears to have suffered a "serious" injury on a ride -- typically defined as an injury requiring at least a day's stay in a hospital. Other reports released Tuesday noted that a 72-y.o. woman fractured her hip exiting the Mad Tea Party ride in Magic Kingdom in February; a 72-y.o. woman complained of dizziness and loss of memory after riding Expedition Everest at Disney's Animal Kingdom; a 32-y.o. woman complained of nausea after riding Cat in the Hat at Islands of Adventure; a 71-y.o. woman fractured her left shoulder while exiting The Seas With Nemo and Friends at Epcot; and a 48-y.o. man fractured an ankle jumping into Cross Country Creek at Disney's Blizzard Beach. -------------- Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel From lance@screamscape.com Wed Apr 16 07:32:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74248 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 14:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 14:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 14:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27746BC45B for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:32:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 X-Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm52.48056dc6.141fc for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:31:59 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIBg3f8E++3gIAAAAB,f896a3dc2934993589e0cdfa87cab6f8 Message-ID: <08AD0C80B34A4D8083F7090CBA0ED44D@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:31:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hard Rock visitors voice their views X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Wb1ovm04G4QKjcR16GNvfbSekO_2Jev9cAVp-TN7WWnbDQTX0BO8zUnYtg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Give me a couple of weeks to make my trip... ----- Original Message ----- From: Nate Kohlrusch To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hard Rock visitors voice their views has anyone seen a detailed review of this place yet? I know it just opened to the public, but I figured some coaster tool would have gotten the first report up online by now. -Nate Recent Activity a.. 1New Members Visit Your Group Only on Yahoo! World of Star Wars Meet fans, watch videos & more. Yahoo! Groups Wellness Spot A resource for Curves and weight loss. Home Improvement on Yahoo! Groups Find tips & tricks for doing it yourself. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 15:06:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11175 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 22:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 22:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 22:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 22:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 22:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2008 22:06:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:06:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.8.142 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags plans derailed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=58nOCCn1TFkydbksIgJ_dZd6qGb_-2P8LmhSTwXTTYTpA2w9nL6M X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The Dark Knight is no more: Maybe they'll use the space for something attractive and truly family-oriented. How about one of those helicopter rides on a raised track? Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 16 16:05:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7428 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2008 23:05:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2008 23:05:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.238) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2008 23:05:45 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so1183451rvb.34 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.88.11 with SMTP id l11mr351047rvb.74.1208387144838; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:05:44 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags plans derailed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=D1iWObIXAr_RHsh_jLGFoxLugDLGtwTiV7cr95OQeCOQfsJZugPb9nM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Maybe they'll use the space for something attractive and truly > family-oriented. How about one of those helicopter rides on a raised > track? The last thing SFNE needs is a 150pph capacity attraction with zero marketing potential that nobody but preschoolers want to ride. -Nate From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 17:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84300 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 00:33:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 00:33:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 00:33:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 00:33:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 00:33:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:33:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock visitors voice their views X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=HHmXa1o7Ib8jm8_UtT1sPEJHITaUE217KxYRnmnzQGMfVJAeS-8P X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > It was a little chilly to play guitar outside, but the local band=20 The > > Sanson Brothers made do. >=20 > They "made do"? Does this publication not have an editor? >=20 No editor necessary, says this English Major. "Make do" is a pretty=20 common expression, as in "I may not have much money, but I'll make do."=20 Unusual tense used, but nothing wrong with the usage. > Mistakes aside, has anyone seen a detailed review of this place yet? > I know it just opened to the public, but I figured some coaster tool > would have gotten the first report up online by now. > All goes right, I'll be there on the 15th and 16th of May...hopefully=20 have some good thoughts to share when I return. Mike=20 > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 17:41:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54671 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 00:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 00:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 00:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 00:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 00:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 00:40:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:40:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: News Articles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=ZWsy3OzT1WiD8WMDHDcHDxERAlS6JUMKdjW-m_QR9eEGvwq5mKq3 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Mike, > You said something that caught my attention: "OK, 'Theme Park May > Close' would be vague and make me open it." >=20 > And you're right! I've been just taking whatever headline they gave. > So, what I've started to do (as of today anyways), is to make the > Headlines more descriptive. >=20 > For example, 2 of todays headlines are "Hard Rock visitors voice=20 their > views", and "Six Flags aiming to become Entertainment Co.". >=20 > In actuality, the Hard Rock headline was "Theme Park visitors voice > their views" (as if HR is the only theme park!); and the headline > about Six Flags wasn't a headline, it was more like a complete=20 opening > sentence -- so (obviously) I changed it. >=20 > I hope this helps. >=20 > -Alan I think you made an excellent decision in changing the headlines, and=20 it does help tremendously. I opened both of those knowing I'd have at=20 least some interest in the content. Good stuff..keep it up, Alan. Mike > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 18:20:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16589 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 01:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 01:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 01:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 01:20:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 01:20:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:20:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags aiming to become Entertainment Co. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=L4-NPaa5JqX2MvTqAtMVXB7Wwp25ENaIvbLxco57GM8ZrvNkUjfk X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > The strategy was to "build the characters, build the story around=20 it, > build the emotion, the drama ... as opposed to just putting rides up > on cement." Yeah... Right...=20 =20 > The production company's archived footage will be used to promote=20 the > park and entertain guests while they wait in lines for rides and=20 food, > while providing a vehicle for advertisers. Saw this in limited form last week on my visit to SFFT. It was in=20 line for Superman. Seemed to focus on Magic Mountain because it had=20 a story about X's new trains and some kid waiting in line for=20 Goliath. (yes, the SFMM Goliath, not the SFFT Goliath, which wasn't=20 open yet.) Didn't really get a chance to watch any of the video=20 though, because there were no lines. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 20:57:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25962 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 03:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 03:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 03:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 03:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 03:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 03:57:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:57:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags plans derailed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=FejHAYVJk7Y0pX0XLnMAPjWpRnXl_BFdWuD7zE7yFjo0746NjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Maybe they'll use the space for something attractive and truly > > family-oriented. How about one of those helicopter rides on a raised > > track? >=20 > The last thing SFNE needs is a 150pph capacity attraction with zero > marketing potential that nobody but preschoolers want to ride. >=20 > -Nate Don't you mean they don't need another 150pph capacity attraction?=20 They did put those WIggles rides in last year. If they anything like ours..= .=20 150pph is generous.=20 Chris From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 16 22:51:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40861 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 05:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 05:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 05:51:03 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so3242032pyg.9 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.177.2 with SMTP id e2mr486752rvp.268.1208411462988; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:51:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:51:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags plans derailed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=NP4-ZShDvkopMpJNpWX_ST7gRnWfzPUzdu4NVLibtEn2GYRL_HgVFA8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Don't you mean they don't need another 150pph capacity attraction? Right. Like I said, another 150pph capacity attraction is about the LAST thing SFNE needs. They just added the whole Wiggles area, so it's not like they haven't done anything family-oriented recently. -Nate From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 05:33:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10414 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 12:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 12:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51712.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.77) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 12:33:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35334 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2008 12:33:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I3sZ3Z4VM1mjs1j7EakpxqfbOyGqgLbby68suyZXxm3pILUp3md0.2fN8lPMF_x9QH0dbwkXogWdiHeQLZ408lpHcw1pHM0- X-Received: from [68.100.189.165] by web51712.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:33:11 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:33:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0804112256uc158febib80d10279456eac0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <966058.35301.qm@web51712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC..My May Trip Itinerary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=4YUB_JtdCjfQTsEE6-jqmLmr5O5rtyIwgbje46pDCHd_F28z X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Josh W wrote: > Ready for my craziest itinerary ever? > > I'm hopping on a plane, spending 6 days at WDW > resort, with dining plan. I > have reservations at a bunch of different > restaurants, and I'm introducing > Jen to her first time at Disney. Lots of relaxation, > good food and sunshine. > I don't know if I can handle it all. Couple of tips. Your first day there, get a couple of "Happy Anniversary" buttons from the information booth at the hotel/parks. No one knows if you're married or not and just by wearing them you *may* get instant FastPasses, free desserts, etc. Two, since you're making reservations, check out Jiko: The Cooking Place over at the Animal Kingdom lodge. Lady T and I really liked to food/atsmosphere there. Third, if you want a good place to watch the Illuminations show @ Epcot, make a late reservation @ the Bistro de Paris (or alternately Les Chefs du France). Finally, spend the eight bucks and get a membership to www.touringplans.com and get the personallized iteneraries. They were great for us last October where we pretty much didnt have to wait more than 15min for anything even though the parks were moderately busy. BTW: The Bistro and Jiko are more expensive than most of the WDW restaurants though not terrible. If you *really* want to go all out, get a table @ Victoria's and Albert's =]. lata, jeremy --who needs to return to being more of the 20% and not the 80% here on RCTalk =] ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 07:44:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22417 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 14:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 14:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 14:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:44:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:44:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Fire Destroys Rural Texas Amusement Park Building X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UATdhB5QPU2UyuoHTRN6exhdXM23aknM8R6rBuKAKcoURaU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 13, 2008 KFOX-TV http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/15871044/detail.html?rss=3Delp&psp=3Dnews HORIZON CITY, TX -- Flames raged in Horizon Sunday afternoon. Horizon Fire Department responded to the land that was once House Magic Landing Amusement Park, after a 2-story building on the property went up in flames. Crews said when they arrived, the building was fully engulfed. No injuries were reported. Officials are still investigating the cause of the fire. ------------------ Copyright 2007 by KFOXTV.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 07:50:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17810 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 14:50:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 14:50:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 14:50:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:50:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:50:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Family Issues Warning - Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XMBFNPC2oC9EVkykRftSc0VNCA6SULY4oEEt8ETgA8aUS34 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 16, 2008 United Press International http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/16/family_issues_six_flags_wa= rning/7942/ LOUSIVILLE, KY -- The family of a girl whose feet were severed by Six Flags amusement park ride in Kentucky warned people Wednesday of the dangers they believe still exist there. "As another summer gets close, with the end of the school year closing, one which our daughter had taken away from her, we know families and schools will be planning their events," the family of 14-y.o. Kaitlyn Lasitter said in an issued statement. "Had we known as parents then what we have witnessed now, we certainly would not have allowed our child to go this park. We only want everyone to understand our goal is to open the eyes of a community that has been so loving and generous to our family." The family also released photos of the cable that snapped last summer and injured the teenager as she rode the Superman Tower of Power at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom. The Lasitters are suing the amusement park for negligence, claiming the ride's cables were not properly maintained, the TV station reported. -------------- =A9 2008 United Press International From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 07:55:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44495 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 14:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 14:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 14:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 14:55:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:55:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Santa Monica Pier selling Ferris wheel on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2noopKI3tmBpq__DfG8nMFz3lw96Y_w4rk0JYsul7nHEXpU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 15, 2008 Associated Press The Star Tribune http://www.startribune.com/nation/17758644.html SANTA MONICA, CA -- It won't come with the ocean views, but you can still catch some thrills from riding your very own Ferris wheel, taken straight from the Santa Monica Pier. The 9-story wheel that's been at Pacific Park since 1996 was put up for sale Tuesday on eBay. The wheel overlooking the Pacific has 20 gondolas and is outlined in 5,392 light bulbs. It has provided some 3 million rides and has been seen in movies, on television and in numerous photos. Next month, however, the Pacific Wheel will be replaced by a $1.5 million modern model. The old wheel is operational and still in "great" shape, said Cameron Andrews, a spokesman for the amusement park. The wheel cost $800,000 when it was built. It was modified in 1998 to become the world's first solar-powered Ferris wheel. The auction will last 10 days and the minimum price is $50,000. Half the winning bid =97 minus fees =97 will be donated to the Special Olympics. A support base for the wheel costs another $135,000, Andrews said. And, the buyer must handle shipping costs for the 122,000-pound wheel. --------------- =A9 2008 Star Tribune Copyright 2008 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 08:57:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98914 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 15:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 15:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 15:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 15:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 15:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 15:57:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:57:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Improvements give Conneaut Lake Park officials hope X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PHUToj3TvuvpKQMiXyK4Wmg6KDicxdea0-rgJ_tp_S3QDbw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 17, 2008 The Meadville Tribune http://www.meadvilletribune.com/local/local_story_105230748.html By Jane Smith CONNEAUT LAKE, PA -=97 Despite recent events that have severely hampered the future of Conneaut Lake Park (CLP), the historic, 116-y.o. amusement park could still see more activity this summer than it did a year ago. None of CLP's rides will be open anytime soon, but several facilities that were open in the middle of the 2007 season =97 the Beach Club bar, Camperland campground and boat docks =97 should all be back in business in 2008, members of the Trustees of CLP are predicting. A devastating February fire leveled CLP's Dreamland Ballroom and some nearby Midway booths; and in early April, a wall collapsed at the former bowling alley (later housing the Funhouse and some other attractions). But those losses haven't halted the Trustees from getting parts of the park ready. Work to upgrade the park's aging water system is a complex issue that is getting plenty of attention and could be a key to future efforts. Following is an update on some key elements of CLP and its neighbor, Snow Waters Harbor Village and Golf Course. CLP Water System CLP officials have lost the help of Jeff Davenport, president of Lake Properties Holdings LLC, which is constructing Snow Waters (SW) and wanted to tap into the refurbished water system. Davenport had been helping with plans to construct a building for a new water treatment plant, and Trustees now must come up with a new plan for that work. The arsenic level in CLP's water supply is no higher than it has ever been, but federal guidelines about the amount of arsenic in water were lowered several years ago and the arsenic level in CLP's supply was determined to be too high. A federal grant of approximately $500,000 was received to do the rest of the work for improving the system. "We are looking at alternatives for the water system," said Jack Moyers, chairman of the Trustees of CLP. Moyers said the Trustees are working to hold onto the grant for the system. Camperland Camperland, a recreational vehicle campground across SR-618 from CLP, will officially open May 1. The area has electrical service as well as water and sewer and is ready for campers. "We will be doing some cleanup work," said Moyers, but that won't delay the opening. Docks Rentals Of the 44 CLP boat docks rented on a seasonal basis, only 2 are available. 5 other docks are rented on a weekly or daily basis, and they are available to reserve. "The docks are good to go," said Moyers. Volunteers Stalled By Movie-Making Volunteers wanting to help can only work at Camperland or "that side of the street" or on the docks. No work can be done at any other site until scenes being shot for a movie, "The Road," are completed at CLP. A thriller featuring several major movie stars, it will feature some scenes to be shot at CLP, beginning perhaps as soon as the end of April. Moyers said the Trustees won't receive a lot of money from the movie company, but he believes the shoot is good recognition for CLP. Beach Club/Hotel Conneaut The Trustees also are doing what they can to get the Beach Club open by Memorial Day, if feasible. SW, Bridge & Channel Motorists on SR-618 in Summit Township are having to take a detour to travel from the west side of Conneaut Lake to the east side as construction has started on replacement of the bridge just north of the park. The bridge replacement was one necessary component of the proposed $60 million Snow Waters Harbor Village and Golf Course. The project will involve raising the height of the bridge to allow boats from the SW development to travel under it and down a canal to access the lake. Original plans had been for the SW complex to be hooked onto the CLP water system and Davenport had offered to pay the $150,000 estimated construction costs of a building to house a water treatment system to remove arsenic in the water. In return, SW would become a customer of CLP's water system. The SW complex will have 189 town houses plus a grill, restaurant, golf course and club house when complete. However, the initial plan of working with the park is no longer being considered. "There were too many uncertainties," Davenport said about why those talks ceased. In the meantime, construction of the golf course will begin in spring 2009 followed by the club house. Harbor Grill construction will start this year, he said. One reason for the golf course construction delay is that materials from the dredging and the excavation will be used for the golf course.=20 "Things are really moving. There's a lot of activity," said Davenport. --------------- =A9 2005, The Meadville Tribune Associated Press content =A9 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 09:11:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17194 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2008 16:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2008 16:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2008 16:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 16:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 16:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2008 16:11:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:11:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Great America At Fault In Wave Pool Drowning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BQsIdvR4CDnGvBflWdQDSeJHCj8mDO6jZ9oxBFTbwGG3EqI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 12, 2008 KTLA http://ktla.trb.com/news/local/ktla-greatamericadrowning,0,4201581.story By Jonathan Curiel SANTA CLARA, CA -- Great America (CGA) amusement park had lax procedures in place at the wave pool where a 4-y.o. San Jose boy drowned last summer, according to a state report released Friday. Cal/OSHA investigators cited ill-prepared lifeguards and unenforced poolside safety warnings, among other things. The state investigation into the death of Carlos Alejandro Flores, while concluding the boy was in the pool without "immediate adult supervision," also quoted a park worker as saying the boy's mother, Yolanda Flores, had left her 8-y.o. daughter to look after Carlos in the water. The boy died the afternoon of July 12 after he was found floating in the Great Barrier Reef wave pool, which sends out waves that resemble mild ocean swells. Carlos, who was 42" tall, drowned after a "wave cycle" moved through his part of the pool, a middle area that is about 35" deep during calm water but about 46" deep when waves are in motion, the report said. The boy didn't know how to swim, according to the Cal/OSHA report. The day after the drowning, Yolanda Flores said CGA was to blame for her son's death. She told reporters that there were only 4 lifeguards - not the 6 that should have been in place - at the time her son drowned. The Cal/OSHA report, however, said that 6 lifeguards were there that day. Still, the report found that the guards were unclear about the exact areas of the pool they were supposed to watch. In addition, 4 of them had been in the same guard spot 30 minutes past the time they should have been rotated, the report said, referring to industry guidelines. It took the guards 39 seconds to respond to Carlos' accident, the report said, adding that lifeguards fail a response test if they take 30 seconds or longer to respond to a simulated drowning. Robert Miranda, a San Jose attorney representing Yolanda Flores, said he couldn't discuss details of the Cal/OSHA report because the family is negotiating with CGA for damages. "We're in the process of settlement discussions," he said. "It would be inappropriate to make any comment." A Cal/OSHA spokeswoman, Kate McGuire, said CGA has already taken the corrective measures recommended by her agency, including requiring that all children 42" or smaller be accompanied by a parent or adult, requiring all children under 48" to wear a floatation device, and rotating lifeguards in a more efficient manner. The entrance to the Great Barrier Reef wave pool now has a checkpoint that's staffed by an attendant who ensures that small users are wearing vests and are supervised by an adult, said CGA spokesman Al Garcia. At the time of Carlos' drowning, the report found, CGA did not enforce its poolside warning, which then read: "Adult supervision recommended, small children must not be left unattended at any time, and life vests are recommended for all children 42" and smaller." Another Cal/OSHA requirement that has since been implemented requires float tubes to be transparent, which lets users see if they are bumping against anyone in the water. Carlos died, the report said, after apparently making contact with "a couple of swimmers and an inner tube." The pool's brief closing, and media attention about Carlos' death, did not prompt a downturn in the number of people using the attraction, Garcia said. In 2007, lifeguards made 15 rescues of people in the deeper end of the pool, which slopes down to 6', and 4 rescues in the shallower end, the report said. Drowning is the primary cause of death for children 5 and under in California, according to the San Mateo County Health Department. In the minutes after Carlos' death, many of the on-duty lifeguards could only sit and cry, the report said. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008, KTLA Copyright =A9 2008 Tribune Interactive From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 07:03:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86079 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 14:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 14:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 14:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:03:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:03:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Coney Island Design Revised X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xKqSzBPzcoJoIVt-AvivUBvrUGXjvvjCqk8oULSRnCG9qfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 17, 2008 The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/nyregion/17coney.html By Charles V. Bagli BROOKLYN, NY -- The Bloomberg administration has revised its redevelopment plan for the Coney Island (CI) waterfront in an effort to break a deadlock with some landowners and elected officials while still preserving the area's historic amusement district, which includes the Wonder Wheel and the Cyclone roller coaster. The proposal, which would turn the area into a year-round attraction, still calls for a lot of stores and as many as 5,000 apartments along Surf Ave., but it would reduce to 9 acres from 15 a city-owned open-air amusement park north of the Boardwalk between KeySpan Park and the New York Aquarium. The city would buy the land for a permanent amusement district from local property owners including Thor Equities and the Vourderis family, which owns Deno's Amusement Park and the Wonder Wheel. But in a departure from the original plan unveiled in November by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, those owners would be able to develop the remaining parts of their property themselves as long as they followed the city's master plan, which must still undergo an environmental review and a land-use review. The city's plan for the area north of the amusement district calls for a series of buildings that could include a glass-enclosed water park, games and amusements, a bowling alley, restaurants and entertainment-oriented businesses like House of Blues, Dave & Busters, NikeTown and movie theaters. Finally, the new zoning would allow for hotel towers on the south side of Surf Ave. "This is a plan that will preserve the iconic nature of CI and enhance the amusement district, while generating economic opportunities and jobs for local residents," Deputy Mayor Robert C. Lieber said. "We're trying to bling it up." The revised plan is the result of meetings with local property owners and others since November. "I'm guardedly optimistic," said Jesse Masyr, a real estate lawyer for Thor, which has been at loggerheads with the Bloomberg administration. "We have to look at the size of sites we have left and what we could build." As the largest landowner in the area, Thor was in a position to block the city's redevelopment plan, and appeared willing to wait out the Bloomberg administration. Thor's chairman, Joseph Sitt, has spent more than $120 million in recent years buying about 10 acres in the heart of CI's traditional amusement district and developing his own $1.5 billion proposal for the area. Sitt proposed a glitzy amusement park, as well as stores, game rooms and condominium hotels. But the city and some urban planners opposed generic retailing and any housing near the Boardwalk, saying that it would inevitably crush a noisy, late-night amusement district. In recent months, the 2 sides have been discussing a mutually acceptable compromise. Sitt's recent counterproposal called for a smaller, 6.5-acre amusement area and far more stores and hotels =97 2.9 million sq-ft =97 spread over 24 acres. The city's revised plan allows for 1.9 million sq-ft. Councilman Domenic Recchia Jr., a critic of the original plan who has supported Thor, said the city was headed in the right direction, as did Dennis Vourderis, of the family that owns the Wonder Wheel. "We're optimistic," Vourderis said. "We're hoping that they're going to let us develop our own properties." The glory days of CI's amusement parks are long gone, and the area is speckled with empty lots and dingy buildings. But the old-fashioned rides, sword swallowers, go-carts, wide-open beaches and cool breezes still attract hundreds of thousands of visitors in the summer months. The "stars may finally be realigning," said Brooklyn's borough president, Marty Markowitz, a longtime advocate of revitalizing CI. "CI was always a working-class playground," he said. "We should preserve the amusements for future generations. I welcome a water park, movie theaters, a bowling alley and House of Blues. I do not want to see another generic shopping mall." The key issue for all sides is how to attract visitors to CI in the winter, when the area is cold and windswept. Sitt had insisted on traditional retail space and housing to offset the cost of the amusements. But the redevelopment plan goes beyond the amusement district. There are plans for housing and retail businesses on the north side of Surf Ave. and west of the KeySpan ballpark. In recent months, the Bloomberg administration has sought to redesign and refurbish the historic 271'-tall CI Parachute Jump, which sits on 2.2 acres west of the amusement district. The centerpiece of the new plaza would be the restored Bishoff & Brienstein carousel, and could include a glass pavilion, an observation deck and restaurants. Sitt is bringing the Reithoffer Shows traveling carnival to CI from May 22-June 1. The Astroland amusements, which Sitt bought and planned to close, will also reopen for 1 more season. Both sides need a victory. Many of the city and state's development plans have been battered by a slowing economy and the credit crisis, which has effectively ended lending for large-scale real estate projects. So if Sitt fails to compromise on CI, he risks alienating City Hall and jeopardizing 2 other projects he would like to build on the Brooklyn waterfront. He has proposed a $100 million shopping center at a former bus depot along Shore Pkwy in Bensonhurst, where he lives. In Red Hook, Sitt bought the long dormant Revere sugar works, and would like to build a marina and luxury apartments there, next to the soon-to-open Ikea furniture store. --------------- Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 07:12:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46418 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 14:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 14:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 14:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:12:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:12:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Lep Zepplin coaster gets 'whole lotta love' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IO2z1AMAcqYa9IO5LvCH4W5zc_WBVxXO-jN7ac9gyiBOJVU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr. 18, 2008 The Sun News The State http://www.thestate.com/business/story/379405.html By Lisa Fleisher and Jessica Foster MYRTLE BEACH, SC -=97 The rock 'n' roll revolution is under way in Myrtle Beach. This week, the public got its first taste of the $400 million Hard Rock Park (HR) during the park's soft opening, which it dubs a "Sound Check." HR officials would not say exactly how many people came, citing competitive reasons. "It's safe to say thousands," said Kerry Graves, VP of sales and marketing for HR. HR has areas each dedicated to a different rock genre: British Invasion, Cool Country, Rock 'n' Roll Heaven and Born in the USA. Visitors marveled at the details, such as a ringing, London-style telephone booth, and looked up to hear screams from the Led Zeppelin =97 The Ride roller coaster. Most of the park's coasters and shows are running =97 though a few are not =97 while the park fine tunes for its formal opening May 9. HR, the first in the world with the Hard Rock brand, expects to have 30,000 guests a day during the summer. Area leaders hope HR will help lure more visitors to the beach and raise the Grand Strand's profile. Local hoteliers and tourism leaders also hope HR will be a big enough attraction to draw international visitors like the family of Mary-Anne Decruz, who came from England to visit Myrtle Beach. Her family did not come specifically for HR, but it gives them a reason to come back, she said. The spiraling Led Zeppelin roller coaster was the biggest crowd-pleaser. Most visitors made a beeline for it as soon as they walked through the gate. "It was pretty wild," said Sandy Farrands of Syracuse, N.Y., after stepping off the ride. "I've got sea legs." "I didn't puke and I didn't wet my pants so I feel like I did good," her sister Sue Richardson said. ------------- Copyright 2008 TheState.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 07:17:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19004 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 14:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 14:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 14:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:17:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:17:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Elementary students going for K'Nex World Record X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pVocLMjTXoZ3Iq177f47WsvucyhFZfIDpI00zN098d89o3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 16, 2008 Bay News 9 http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/4/16/340345.html BRADENTON, FL -- A group of students at Bayshore Elementary School are building a world record-breaking roller coaster out of K'Nex, a flexible construction toy. The roller coaster is composed of more than 40,000 pieces and takes up most of the school auditorium. "We have made this a school-wide event by involving every student at our school in creating our roller coaster," said Betsy Arrington, a 5th-grade teacher at Bayshore Elementary School. "Nearly 800 kids have connected a part of the coaster." The roller coaster will be unveiled during the school's Math and Science Family Fun Night, from 6 p.m.-8 p.m. on Thursday. Arrington said school officials have been in contact with Ripley's Believe It or Not and the Guinness World Records office in London to try and gain official recognition for the largest roller coaster made of K'Nex. -------------- =A92008 Bay News 9 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 07:29:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64572 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 14:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 14:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 14:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:29:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:29:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Temp Rise as Hershey Debuts 11th Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZQaWN0gouEowoPn4RAssPYUkZ2h66SjXd89gG6ifmTA1iPY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 14, 2008 PR Web Newswire Vocus http://www.prweb.com/releases/Hersheypark/Fahrenheit/prweb852084.htm HERSHEY, PA -- Beginning May 24, guests at Hersheypark (HP) can heat up their day with an exhilarating ride on HP's 11th roller coaster, Fahrenheit. Following this hot new ride, guests can cool down at The Boardwalk at HP, HP's tribute to the legendary beaches and boardwalks of the Northeast. Fahrenheit, a "vertical-lift, inverted-loop coaster" that positions riders on their backs as they climb the 1st hill, offers riders an adrenaline-pumping, 90-degree ascent to the summit of a 121'-lift. As the cars crest the hill, riders lean forward and see no track visible directly below before plummeting down a staggering 97-degree 1st drop, the steepest drop of any coaster in the US. At the bottom of the 1st hill, the coaster travels at 58mph as it begins another ascent to the top of a 107'-inverted loop and then drops riders into the loop. Coming out of the inverted loop, the track twists though a cobra element and continues into an airborne inverted S roll and then into a 2nd airborne inverted S roll. The action continues with a high-speed/high-banked curve, an airtime hill, then another high-speed/high-banked curve and a 2nd airtime hill before entering the brake section of the ride, where the train will slow before arriving back in the station. Traveling over more than 2,700' of steel track in 85 seconds, Fahrenheit features 3 four-person vehicles per train and a capacity of about 850 pph. The ride was designed and built by IntaRide LLC, the company that brought the famous Storm Runner roller coaster to HP in 2004. Fahrenheit is located adjacent to The Boardwalk at HP, where guests can cool down with five refreshing water attractions, including the world's largest water-play structure. Also beginning May 24, guests will be treated to a "hot" fireworks display presented by Capital BlueCross. Fireworks are scheduled every Saturday night through August 30, weather permitting. In keeping with HP's philosophy of offering something for every member of the family, a 2nd new ride =96 Howler =96 will debut for the 101st season of HP. Howler is a "Tornado" ride that allows riders to spin their cars to create their own ride experience. It has 8 four-passenger, sphere-shaped cars that rotate counter-clockwise from a center base. As the rotation reaches 10 rpm, the ride lifts 7.5' into the air at a 20-degree angle. The ride, manufactured by Wisdom Industries, Ltd., will be located adjacent to the Rodeo ride in HP's Pioneer Frontier area. Howler opens May 2. For more information or to take a "virtual" ride on Fahrenheit, please visit Hersheypark.com. HP opens for its 101st season on Friday, May 2. Fahrenheit and The Boardwalk at HP open on Saturday, May 24. ------------------- =A9 Copyright 1997-2008, Vocus PRW Holdings, LLC. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 18 07:30:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83035 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 14:30:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 14:30:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 14:30:10 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so594841pyb.1 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:30:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.187.10 with SMTP id k10mr1543641rvf.86.1208529009493; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:30:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:30:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Lep Zepplin coaster gets 'whole lotta love' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=EYi80V6Gdx_4tn8u_UURgazCdAlJLg13U4XWM6B8BeC-d2hifGRVzjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > HR, the first in the world with the Hard Rock brand, expects to have > 30,000 guests a day during the summer. Area leaders hope HR will help > lure more visitors to the beach and raise the Grand Strand's profile. That seems pretty optimistic for a park this size. I don't have any numbers on the acerage of the park, but the number of attractions certainly isn't astounding, and the park lacks any super high-capacity rides. The country's major seasonal parks are absolutely swamped at 40,000, so to expect 30,000 on a daily basis sounds a bit ambitious. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 07:41:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57380 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 14:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 14:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 14:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 14:41:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:41:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=MWaZ_ycSR-X7PFecr-fFqKe5o7CQuiJ7wTE3tyIeo47XSEY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 10, 2008 The Associated Press The News & Advance WTVR-6 CBS http://www.wtvr.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D8149695 LYNCHBURG, VA -- The university that the Rev. Jerry Falwell founded is considering adding a roller coaster on campus as part of a plan to increase recreational options for their students. A new climbing wall is already under construction at Liberty University, part of a plan to spend more than $10 million over the next few years to expand recreational activities on the Lynchburg campus. Liberty anticipates 5,000 new students over the next 5 years. Liberty's Lee Beaumont says the mini-roller coaster is among the diversions being considered, including a paintball complex and intramural sports fields. Liberty University has grown from about 150 students in 1971 to more than 10,000 students. Falwell died in May. He was the founder of the Moral Majority. --------------- Copyright 2008 The News & Advance Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press From buzzgok@verizon.net Fri Apr 18 07:45:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: buzzgok@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56409 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 14:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 14:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.74.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 14:45:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50008 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2008 14:45:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 916PlFEVM1l9B6bJOK6boUKvPQZlEvwmkRHw86.pxq1MUYsoHhzR6rPLzC4LOsHITdLcb4zB7XjqeGvOTlhNTGlczOhtTk3gSw-- X-Received: from [68.80.97.201] by web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:45:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:45:15 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <758713.49206.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.74.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: SCOTT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: Temp Rise as Hershey Debuts 11th Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=275879843; y=RZ-WiuqQC1JwurPZcE3ART9xg1CTG6pZKDfMLMDgY1F3yBxxE_EUCW8QRkQ9VQ X-Yahoo-Profile: westshore82 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are scheduled to start test runs on Fahrenheit Sunday. =20 TEC #3802 ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:29:09 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] PR: Temp Rise as Hershey Debuts 11th Coaster April 14, 2008 PR Web Newswire Vocus http://www.prweb. com/releases/ Hersheypark/ Fahrenheit/ prweb852084. htm HERSHEY, PA -- Beginning May 24, guests at Hersheypark (HP) can heat up their day with an exhilarating ride on HP's 11th roller coaster, Fahrenheit. Following this hot new ride, guests can cool down at The Boardwalk at HP, HP's tribute to the legendary beaches and boardwalks of the Northeast. Fahrenheit, a "vertical-lift, inverted-loop coaster" that positions riders on their backs as they climb the 1st hill, offers riders an adrenaline-pumping, 90-degree ascent to the summit of a 121'-lift. As the cars crest the hill, riders lean forward and see no track visible directly below before plummeting down a staggering 97-degree 1st drop, the steepest drop of any coaster in the US. At the bottom of the 1st hill, the coaster travels at 58mph as it begins another ascent to the top of a 107'-inverted loop and then drops riders into the loop. Coming out of the inverted loop, the track twists though a cobra element and continues into an airborne inverted S roll and then into a 2nd airborne inverted S roll. The action continues with a high-speed/high- banked curve, an airtime hill, then another high-speed/high- banked curve and a 2nd airtime hill before entering the brake section of the ride, where the train will slow before arriving back in the station. Traveling over more than 2,700' of steel track in 85 seconds, Fahrenheit features 3 four-person vehicles per train and a capacity of about 850 pph. The ride was designed and built by IntaRide LLC, the company that brought the famous Storm Runner roller coaster to HP in 2004. Fahrenheit is located adjacent to The Boardwalk at HP, where guests can cool down with five refreshing water attractions, including the world's largest water-play structure. Also beginning May 24, guests will be treated to a "hot" fireworks display presented by Capital BlueCross. Fireworks are scheduled every Saturday night through August 30, weather permitting. In keeping with HP's philosophy of offering something for every member of the family, a 2nd new ride =96 Howler =96 will debut for the 101st season of HP. Howler is a "Tornado" ride that allows riders to spin their cars to create their own ride experience. It has 8 four-passenger, sphere-shaped cars that rotate counter-clockwise from a center base. As the rotation reaches 10 rpm, the ride lifts 7.5' into the air at a 20-degree angle. The ride, manufactured by Wisdom Industries, Ltd., will be located adjacent to the Rodeo ride in HP's Pioneer Frontier area. Howler opens May 2. For more information or to take a "virtual" ride on Fahrenheit, please visit Hersheypark. com. HP opens for its 101st season on Friday, May 2. Fahrenheit and The Boardwalk at HP open on Saturday, May 24. ------------ ------- =A9 Copyright 1997-2008, Vocus PRW Holdings, LLC. =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dreamwave42@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 11:34:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave42@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97673 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 18:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 18:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.111) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 18:34:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55526 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2008 18:34:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lcFw7IwVM1noLVAszpmqML4Qz0SFR8z4GCVsc9ppNCWMC7yqKZsQGVjuq6Y3v428Wyj.8lriBxyCSZB6F_npBK4z.jKtSoU.1EOSes6JPDvXBNLvG_XzK3Sh8Q-- X-Received: from [68.142.242.61] by web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:34:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) To: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <884677.52849.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: dreamwave42 Subject: Recommendations for trip to Amsterdam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64423743; y=Ok6vwIlKGIJKxhInRpSsZ5KBp5i6TETPTrmV6AwdzKutQL8z7A X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Hi all, I have a business trip to Amsterdam at the end of May. I am going to have about 3 free days at the end of my trip. I would like to hit a park or two, have some fun and boost my coaster count. Thanks to the high speed train lines, I could easily get to pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands, Belgium or Northwestern Germany. So far, I have found the following larger parks in these areas: -Toverland (Netherlands) -Walibi--formerly Six Flags Belgium (Belgium) -Heide Park (Germany) -Phantasialand (Germany) I would appreciate any feedback that any of you have on these parks. Of course, if you have any other parks to suggest in these areas, please let me know! Thanks, Andrew ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 18 11:44:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24227 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 18:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 18:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.247) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 18:44:16 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 55so455861hsc.10 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.248.9 with SMTP id v9mr5752111anh.86.1208544256171; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z26sm566166ele.15.2008.04.18.11.44.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:44:15 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:44:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <884677.52849.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcihgtFWed7QF9OMQymVi7BezA7P8AAAE50g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <4808ebff.1ab17e0a.5f1d.4530@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.247 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: Recommendations for trip to Amsterdam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=QMR4dSrv2M1Zky2OUE6bjdt1LZ-cyKfGGRAD9P193V1uluQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Thanks to the high speed train lines, I could easily get to pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands, Belgium or Northwestern Germany. So far, I have found the following larger parks in these areas: -Toverland (Netherlands) -Walibi--formerly Six Flags Belgium (Belgium) -Heide Park (Germany) -Phantasialand (Germany)" Not knowing what kind of park you like I would recommend Phantasialand. I have been to all of the parks except Heide and found Phantasia to be the best. After that I would do Toverland and then (much further back) Walibi (although Vertigo looks uniquely cool). I found the coasters at Phantasia to be unique (Black Mamba was awesome) and the other rides like the Hafema rapids and the Intamin custom drop ride were not only great rides, but had exceptional theming. I had some video from two of the parks in a video from my 2006 trip: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iZ6jM5n3sQU . Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 18 11:45:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46737 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 18:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 18:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.230) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 18:45:41 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so359561rvf.56 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.78.14 with SMTP id f14mr1756104rvl.119.1208544341164; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:45:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <884677.52849.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <884677.52849.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Recommendations for trip to Amsterdam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KpNa3XRouePs3YxVreUDGYRqAWLBfFHrFmKNM-gTUUCbIavQO7Fwlnc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Thanks to the high speed train lines, I could easily get to pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands, Belgium or Northwestern Germany. So far, I have found the following larger parks in these areas: > > -Toverland (Netherlands) > -Walibi--formerly Six Flags Belgium (Belgium) > -Heide Park (Germany) > -Phantasialand (Germany) Personally, I think Heide Park and Phantasialand look the most enticing. What about Walibi World (formerly Six Flags Holland)? Goliath makes my mouth water. -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 14:07:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37285 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 21:07:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 21:07:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.128) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 21:07:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:07:48 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:07:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:07:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:07:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Coney Island Design Revised X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zrspMpgpjgSKOJLiCMdOWTaljJU2Ai_98ztscLSobXPtVRxI-A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > Ugh. This just sounds like either it's all falling apart, or a LOT of=20 money has greased the right palms. Including residential units and=20 decreasing the size of the amusement area?=20 sigh Chris > April 17, 2008 > The New York Times > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/nyregion/17coney.html > By Charles V. Bagli >=20 >=20 > BROOKLYN, NY -- The Bloomberg administration has revised its > redevelopment plan for the Coney Island (CI) waterfront in an effort > to break a deadlock with some landowners and elected officials while > still preserving the area's historic amusement district, which > includes the Wonder Wheel and the Cyclone roller coaster. >=20 > The proposal, which would turn the area into a year-round=20 attraction, > still calls for a lot of stores and as many as 5,000 apartments=20 along > Surf Ave., but it would reduce to 9 acres from 15 a city-owned > open-air amusement park north of the Boardwalk between KeySpan Park > and the New York Aquarium. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 14:12:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3684 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 21:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 21:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 21:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:12:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:12:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Lep Zepplin coaster gets 'whole lotta love' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=THYMosmz37uu8izanQ9kwXb1UPG_Z8yR6IHbL1SovNme60NTjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Agreed. I know our park (6FGAm) is FAR larger than HRP, and you can=20 barely move at 30K guests.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > HR, the first in the world with the Hard Rock brand, expects to have > > 30,000 guests a day during the summer. Area leaders hope HR will=20 help > > lure more visitors to the beach and raise the Grand Strand's=20 profile. >=20 > That seems pretty optimistic for a park this size. I don't have any > numbers on the acerage of the park, but the number of attractions > certainly isn't astounding, and the park lacks any super high-capacity > rides. The country's major seasonal parks are absolutely swamped at > 40,000, so to expect 30,000 on a daily basis sounds a bit ambitious. >=20 > -Nate > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 14:15:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82226 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 21:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 21:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 21:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:15:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:15:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=eS6msk__nim6gjGeGo_IAO8jzUkBW_uvMDOJmOCaNeDxjcBKwg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I wonder if you'll need a student ID to ride? ;) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > April 10, 2008 > The Associated Press > The News & Advance > WTVR-6 CBS > http://www.wtvr.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D8149695 >=20 >=20 > LYNCHBURG, VA -- The university that the Rev. Jerry Falwell founded is > considering adding a roller coaster on campus. >=20 > Liberty's Lee Beaumont says the mini-roller coaster is among the > diversions being considered. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 14:22:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89020 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 21:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 21:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 21:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2008 21:22:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:22:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.163.54.54 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Recommendations for trip to Amsterdam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=lewWDGxQN3HO3IsIJjRzoaWFzVWe1fRrleZevLbq-Z8KXBbt0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > Thanks to the high speed train lines, I could easily get to=20 pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands, Belgium or Northwestern=20 Germany. So far, I have found the following larger parks in these=20 areas: > > > > -Toverland (Netherlands) > > -Walibi--formerly Six Flags Belgium (Belgium) > > -Heide Park (Germany) > > -Phantasialand (Germany) >=20 >=20 > Personally, I think Heide Park and Phantasialand look the most > enticing. What about Walibi World (formerly Six Flags Holland)? > Goliath makes my mouth water. >=20 > -Nate Having been to Heide, both of the Walibi parks mentioned and=20 Toverland, as well as Bobbejaanland, Drievliet and Efteling...=20 I'd say Phantasialand!=20 Like Adam said, it's really about what you want to do. some of these=20 parks might be able to be paired up, I did Walibi World and Toverland=20 in one day and Drievliet and Efteling in another.=20 Chris From voicerodeo@gmail.com Fri Apr 18 14:22:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18924 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2008 21:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2008 21:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.225) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 21:22:49 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s7so611102wxc.24 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.162.5 with SMTP id p5mr1828605rvo.221.1208553768701; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from LewisMobile ( [99.203.115.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f42sm646160rvb.9.2008.04.18.14.22.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004101c8a19a$5386ae30$3d73cb63@LewisMobile> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:22:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=25_dqANVybGPICZH7FuitmdPfBQkw1A6wI6VAsKa-ERgoe5wUA X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit probably not.. but if you arent saved and ready for a talk with Jesus, then they wont let you ride.... extremely conservative christian bible school.... (and no flaming or hate mail... I was making a joke.. if you didnt find it funny, I apologize... delete the email.. if you did find it funny, then I probably wanna go ride coasters with you). ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster I wonder if you'll need a student ID to ride? ;) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > April 10, 2008 > The Associated Press > The News & Advance > WTVR-6 CBS > http://www.wtvr.com/Global/story.asp?S=8149695 > > > LYNCHBURG, VA -- The university that the Rev. Jerry Falwell founded is > considering adding a roller coaster on campus. > > Liberty's Lee Beaumont says the mini-roller coaster is among the > diversions being considered. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 17:47:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72071 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 00:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 00:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 00:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 00:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 00:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 00:47:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:47:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c8a19a$5386ae30$3d73cb63@LewisMobile> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=4MKX-1rKIhwrPUccDkB78zQ9vToZwLhSALfdX_lkS_XwIhkoo1d2 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "VoiceRodeo Gmail"=20 wrote: > > probably not.. but if you arent saved and ready for a talk with=20 Jesus, then they wont let you ride.... extremely conservative christian=20 bible school.... >=20 > (and no flaming or hate mail... I was making a joke.. if you didnt=20 find it funny, I apologize... delete the email.. if you did find it=20 funny, then I probably wanna go ride coasters with you). >=20 >Maybe one will have to be a member of the Moral Majority to ride! I=20 may be Catholic, but would be left out in the cold on that one. And I did find it funny..... Mike From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 17:51:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17714 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 00:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 00:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 00:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 00:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 00:51:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:51:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Lep Zepplin coaster gets 'whole lotta love' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=N_zVOwJU0NBEiiI0eNBcJYT_Ib4bhZ3Wb1klMbBZHYlxi9zENUQj X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > "I didn't puke and I didn't wet my pants so I feel like I did good," > her sister Sue Richardson said. > ------------- >=20 Sniff, sniff...I'm so PROUD of Sue! Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Apr 18 17:55:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34101 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 00:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 00:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 00:55:39 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so654640wfc.6 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:55:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.178.13 with SMTP id a13mr845072wff.146.1208566539137; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:55:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804181755t714d1769m856957b8616232db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:55:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <004101c8a19a$5386ae30$3d73cb63@LewisMobile> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=qAIv76tgh427DkgqBinN9LS9VkmQBQE9-iValndtPIJIiQtkKg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm more concerned about their rock wall... :) On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "VoiceRodeo Gmail" > wrote: > > > > probably not.. but if you arent saved and ready for a talk with > Jesus, then they wont let you ride.... extremely conservative christian > bible school.... > > > > (and no flaming or hate mail... I was making a joke.. if you didnt > find it funny, I apologize... delete the email.. if you did find it > funny, then I probably wanna go ride coasters with you). > > > >Maybe one will have to be a member of the Moral Majority to ride! I > may be Catholic, but would be left out in the cold on that one. > > And I did find it funny..... > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 08:23:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47591 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 15:23:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:23:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Planners say Scenic Railway must be rebuilt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=n_RS7rt5RG9whnetU97vz6-_0xs8g0JsH-gYnu1ll9MUr5M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 16 April 2008 BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/7351636.stm MARGATE, KENT, UK -- A rollercoaster damaged in an arson attack looks set to be rebuilt after town planners decided its restoration should be made a legal requirement. The Scenic Railway at Margate's former Dreamland amusement park in Kent was badly damaged in the fire last week. Members of Thanet District Council's Planning Committee met on Wednesday evening to consider measures to ensure that it is preserved and repaired. It is hoped the Grade II listed ride will be rebuilt by next Easter. The wooden rollercoaster, believed to be one of the oldest of its kind left in the world, first opened in 1920 and was damaged in a previous major fire in the 1940s. Last Monday's blaze destroyed about 20% of the tracks, the workshop where the cars were housed and part of the "station". The engine house, containing the electric motors and winding gear, survived. Thanet District Council said it hoped the owners of the site, the Margate Town Centre Regeneration Company, would undertake the necessary work. ------------------ =A9 MMVIII BBC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 08:32:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96177 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 15:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 15:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 15:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 15:32:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 15:32:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:32:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Inc. 1st-quarter Revenues Higher X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=h0-DQsfVOp8FIO3r6R38uuUXhlyF85tD0TUdzDAfx4bureA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 17, 2008 The Associated Press Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080417/six_flags_sales.html?.v=3D1 NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags Inc. said Thursday 1st-quarter revenue climbed 35%, helped by increased attendance and guest spending. The theme park operator reported quarterly sales of $68 million compared with $50.7 million a year earlier. Analysts predicted revenue of $53.4 million, according to a Thomson Financial poll. Attendance climbed 19% to more than 1.4 million during the quarter, helped by an earlier Easter holiday than last year. 1st-quarter results typically make up 5% of full-year attendance, the company said. 1st-quarter guest spending rose 13% to $38.95 from $34.44 per person, reflecting higher admission prices, food and beverage, parking and other revenue. Revenue from sponsorship and international fees climbed to $11.1 million from $7.8 million. "With the cost of airline tickets going up and the hassle and frustration of air travel increasing, we believe Six Flags is well-positioned to be a preferred entertainment option this summer," President and CEO Mark Shapiro said in a statement. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 08:44:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77340 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 15:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 15:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 15:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 15:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 15:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 15:44:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:44:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Gulf Finance signs Agreement with Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pMhYdhEnt_Yq0-0gQAp1a6EKxHNe4klMh9TNnyPmMhO8vDI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 16 - 2008 AME Info http://www.ameinfo.com/153553.html MANAMA, BAHRAIN -- Gulf Finance House (GFH), specialist conceiver of innovative economic infrastructure initiatives has today announced the signing of a 1-year exclusivity agreement with Six Flags (6F), the world's largest regional theme park company. The new agreement is the latest venture from GFH, designed to capitalize on the huge anticipated demand for investments in tourism within China. China is rapidly becoming one of the top tourist destinations for travelers, and as the host for the 2008 Olympic Games this summer this is only set grow. According to the World Travel and Tourism Council's 2006 Report on China, the country's travel and tourism industry generated $353.7bn in 2006 and is expected to grow to $1.3 trillion in 2016. Given GFH's track record for identifying potential for above average growth and the delivery of high returns for its investors, coupled with 6F's technical expertise, the initiative is well placed to deliver exciting results for the regional expansion of China's tourism. GFH Acting CEO Peter Panayiotou said 'we were proud to successfully facilitate the introduction of 6F to Dubai and are delighted to begin another partnership with 6F. The agreement will lead to the development of an exciting, one of a kind tourist destination in China that is set to draw travelers from all around the globe. 6F is recognized as a world leader in the entertainment and theme park industry. The experience and brand loyalty they bring to the partnership is unparalleled. "This partnership underscores the potential of our one of a kind thrill park experience within China and the strength of our brand globally" said Mark Shapiro, President and CEO of 6F. "We're delighted to be collaborating again with GFH to bring the 6F product to an entirely new audience." The People's Republic of China 6F venture offers a ground-breaking opportunity for the GFH and 6F to create a new generation of park goers on a truly global stage. The project also offers the potential for the future collaboration of GFH and 6F to develop a 6F themed luxury resort. -------------- =A9 1996 - 2008 AME Info FZ LLC / Emap Communications From dreamwave42@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 12:02:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave42@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94917 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 19:02:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 19:02:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.112) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 19:02:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92095 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2008 19:02:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DbxjSEAVM1mKrnicDvWHWp8VPzwVzPFFcz9.qfZznrcJYUhOVsn1QVBjYGJwKAD_l4th4SnmZMlPR9hpcQTuXPX8eAujkb769RiQxdmDexrx6cQp.xzkw.h9Vw-- X-Received: from [68.185.94.237] by web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:02:48 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:02:48 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4808ebff.1ab17e0a.5f1d.4530@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <594481.90909.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Andrew Locke Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Recommendations for trip to Amsterdam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64423743; y=XpRwXp8garp-Og5UNnNacCn8ihcco9oJyZaa_FxUHgDDwNhFNA X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Thanks for the advice and sharing the video as well. Regarding the parks that I like, I enjoy parks with good theming throughout and a pleasant atmosphere. This is why despite liking coasters so much, SFMM is not near the top of my list for favorite parks. When I travel, I try to find parks with unique coasters. I really enjoyed, for example, visiting Fujikyu Highlands in Japan when I was there this past October. With coasters like Dodonpa and Eejanaika, it was worth the trip. Toverland does grab my attention as I have never been on a booster bike coaster before and I am a motorcycle (sport bike) rider. I was originally thinking of Walibi simply because they have more coasters than the other parks. I am curious why that park is not at the top of your list? Thanks, Andrew --- Adam Sandy wrote: > "Thanks to the high speed train lines, I could > easily get to pretty much > anywhere in the Netherlands, Belgium or Northwestern > Germany. So far, I have > found the following larger parks in these areas: > -Toverland (Netherlands) > -Walibi--formerly Six Flags Belgium (Belgium) -Heide > Park (Germany) > -Phantasialand (Germany)" > > > > Not knowing what kind of park you like I would > recommend Phantasialand. I > have been to all of the parks except Heide and found > Phantasia to be the > best. After that I would do Toverland and then > (much further back) Walibi > (although Vertigo looks uniquely cool). I found the > coasters at Phantasia > to be unique (Black Mamba was awesome) and the other > rides like the Hafema > rapids and the Intamin custom drop ride were not > only great rides, but had > exceptional theming. I had some video from two of > the parks in a video from > my 2006 trip: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iZ6jM5n3sQU > . > > > > Adam > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From dreamwave42@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 12:05:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave42@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14331 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 19:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 19:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.107) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 19:05:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64771 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2008 19:05:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QisJHi8VM1nViyHVzg5Ix9uDTdvq6c4NhGs9lmPODVXwTVbqUVM937eOQwcfkuvWqQ-- X-Received: from [68.185.94.237] by web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:05:08 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:05:08 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <512826.63935.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Andrew Locke Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Recommendations for trip to Amsterdam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64423743; y=iP6LgZOVySGuBUsSOooyS-BrmScM5RRjr9KXd-g2wHNocF9VNA X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Thanks for the advice Chris. It is sounding more and more like Phantaisaland is a winner. One of my co-workers has strongly suggested I check out Cologne (black cathedral and all) anyways. By the way, when you went to Walibi and Toverland in one day, did you take a train or did you have a car? Thanks, Andrew --- Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate > Kohlrusch" > wrote: > > > > > Thanks to the high speed train lines, I could > easily get to > pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands, Belgium or > Northwestern > Germany. So far, I have found the following larger > parks in these > areas: > > > > > > -Toverland (Netherlands) > > > -Walibi--formerly Six Flags Belgium (Belgium) > > > -Heide Park (Germany) > > > -Phantasialand (Germany) > > > > > > Personally, I think Heide Park and Phantasialand > look the most > > enticing. What about Walibi World (formerly Six > Flags Holland)? > > Goliath makes my mouth water. > > > > -Nate > > Having been to Heide, both of the Walibi parks > mentioned and > Toverland, as well as Bobbejaanland, Drievliet and > Efteling... > > I'd say Phantasialand! > > Like Adam said, it's really about what you want to > do. some of these > parks might be able to be paired up, I did Walibi > World and Toverland > in one day and Drievliet and Efteling in another. > > Chris > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 16:42:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19030 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 23:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 23:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 23:42:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20605 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2008 23:42:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CRPow_UVM1lA5yhlPjYwVk3dNwL9btVj6issTxxHkLqwdKA7EXX.6wD92hNTQUreqdpJWXnLFMJRvjoHMFtxImseuwFjjX7zzy1BAf1mV4_Li5WzZSMHyBqIG.0- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:42:49 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:42:49 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1208307236.364.88853.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <551174.20466.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: The Dark Knight Dead in New England X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WBLclgM6kvQIz7gGxeGsHWJDNEJHMtbLsdQ3eX7KSWURcyyZA53K X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the link to the article. (I thought I'd posted it, but I guess I didn't.) As others have intimated, I think this was the city council being stubborn and Six Flags saying "up yours." It would have been difficult even if they got the go-ahead now, because the crowds would have to deal with lots of construction over the summer in a prominent part of the park. I really wish SF would put a big Ferris wheel or a new antique car ride (with Batmobiles!) in that section. It's such a pretty area, a huge ugly building would have been an eyesore. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 16:49:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60391 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 23:49:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 23:49:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 23:49:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90321 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2008 23:49:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0S9pfYQVM1kXVE._jELhhZRiII5bZ_n.TdWVwC9MZTYmt5RcnkbnXFh_1bE7rVqGUdHRnP4Nnv4BHmEV.h.n2xZ_2PcCk9bjTJVLSCE0omqSh05djg8UOqSQjNE- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:49:40 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:49:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <65104.88374.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re :NEWS: Six Flags plans derailed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=MtALO8JlEn2-ccs5qTFjjRlwHVHVDGZKPK7cdX-JQ9LwKvrHmbNZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The last thing SFNE needs is a 150pph capacity attraction with zero marketing potential that nobody but preschoolers want to ride. < You mean like "Thomas the Tank Engine?" :-) There's lots of potential for theming and marketing. That section of the park is smack in the middle of Gotham City. I'm glad Shapiro announced that he's ceasing his focus on coasters. Maybe that contributed to the decision to scrap "Dark Knight." Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 16:58:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14520 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 23:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 23:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 23:58:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40068 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2008 23:58:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k25iuEgVM1nnNdrarSFbJpnOfqjGZsO1XsrXMeojZqtVhGA8BXyPtPni9WdTEaTPIAiLWRub9ipX77V6IF.W..EUjt0_tTH.zAYwgSPVIYwg7U35OrAEHCFeQW4- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:58:50 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:58:50 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <416276.36814.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=YN4CLKfdYJPfpbZJo1xNPgs0CC8Psj1xpT03Q3h756M1AHtlICEa X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds like it came from The Onion. It's completely absurd. But I guess it's typical of what's happening at colleges and universities all over this country. Campuses aren't for learning; they're for keeping kids amused. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 17:42:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54884 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 00:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 00:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 00:42:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63486 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2008 00:42:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2oHuXEsVM1nHZU4GlX75leYKddXSMYZCi1aCZDjUXj0aZ8wdJgRh3.QjWl8MjKyX2kOgAs_gxZeTd_aR.vfHSy0kF1VLSZ5QulKnT5EN8CCAOF8_66K7uuAUeNM- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:42:28 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:42:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <344238.57856.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Mt. Park book X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=yqHoUdpGF-NjkYxDefV5C6UPdwq0lHEiYBl7HMiM6y8b6D9kmnD_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks. Just wanted to let you all know that the book I wrote about Holyoke's Mountain Park is finally on sale. You can get it online from Amazon, Barnes & Noble or direct from Arcadia Publishing. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 20:53:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51121 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 03:53:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 03:53:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 03:53:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 03:53:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 03:53:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:53:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <512826.63935.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.140.130 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Recommendations for trip to Amsterdam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Q3xpnvodJIYeO4HY9IYcHaHeDZbHZVYHMJQdDf1gp29-5gEK2A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I had a rental car, Andrew. I was at Walibi before opening, (I was in=20 the closest non-handicap parking spot to the front gate!) and arrived=20 at Toverland with only 1 hour to explore. This was before Troy,=20 though, so one hour (which wasn't quite adequate) would probably not=20 be enough anymore.=20 Chris=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Locke=20 wrote: > > Thanks for the advice Chris. It is sounding more and > more like Phantaisaland is a winner. One of my > co-workers has strongly suggested I check out Cologne > (black cathedral and all) anyways. >=20 > By the way, when you went to Walibi and Toverland in > one day, did you take a train or did you have a car? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Andrew >=20 > --- Chris wrote: >=20 > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate > > Kohlrusch"=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks to the high speed train lines, I could > > easily get to=20 > > pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands, Belgium or > > Northwestern=20 > > Germany. So far, I have found the following larger > > parks in these=20 > > areas: > > > > > > > > -Toverland (Netherlands) > > > > -Walibi--formerly Six Flags Belgium (Belgium) > > > > -Heide Park (Germany) > > > > -Phantasialand (Germany) > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Personally, I think Heide Park and Phantasialand > > look the most > > > enticing. What about Walibi World (formerly Six > > Flags Holland)? > > > Goliath makes my mouth water. > > >=20 > > > -Nate > >=20 > > Having been to Heide, both of the Walibi parks > > mentioned and=20 > > Toverland, as well as Bobbejaanland, Drievliet and > > Efteling...=20 > >=20 > > I'd say Phantasialand!=20 > >=20 > > Like Adam said, it's really about what you want to > > do. some of these=20 > > parks might be able to be paired up, I did Walibi > > World and Toverland=20 > > in one day and Drievliet and Efteling in another.=20 > >=20 > > Chris > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.=20=20 http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 20:56:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37963 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 03:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 03:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 03:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 03:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 03:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 03:56:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:56:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <551174.20466.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.140.130 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: The Dark Knight Dead in New England X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=07Tkvh7MJcoKgl0-t5q1myMpx-JI2ywR9uvwGgqvthRiuGj0qg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > =20 > As others have intimated, I think this was the city council being=20 stubborn and Six Flags saying "up yours." It's such a pretty area, a=20 huge ugly building would have been an eyesore. >=20 > Jay That's exactly what I think SFI is signalling to Agawam!=20 As for the Dark Knight building being an eyesore...=20 The Theatre Royale conversion here is quite attractive.=20 The building the coaster is in?=20 Not so much.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 20:59:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85648 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 03:59:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 03:59:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 03:59:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 03:59:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 03:59:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 03:59:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:59:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <344238.57856.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.140.130 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Mt. Park book X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=fGz8ZEn2t7_8Q1ACR3tBOcqpd4d3wsdEH8Beh41l8_SpetNuRg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Awesome news, Jay!=20 Um, honest question, maybe it sounds a little weird, but I have no=20 clue:=20 Which source would provide you the best benefit, financially=20 speaking? (I'd rather see you make money off this than some faceless=20 megaconglomerate.)=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > Hi folks. Just wanted to let you all know that the book I wrote=20 about Holyoke's Mountain Park is finally on sale. You can get it=20 online from Amazon, Barnes & Noble or direct from Arcadia Publishing. >=20 > >=20 > Jay From dreamwave42@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 22:29:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave42@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79440 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 05:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 05:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.110) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 05:29:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22819 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2008 05:29:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wjOzlB4VM1nx2GhJnluIdbOFu60s2F_qJMzb_euYCSl2Cppag85Oln6JjgcxZdkQ93UxxdvtFQ7LFa6EXXCYcbwiIk92O6_JQ5EeQDZMex4pOoRWuD1GodCu.A-- X-Received: from [68.142.241.236] by web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:29:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:29:05 -0700 (PDT) To: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <491097.22083.qm@web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: dreamwave42 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Recommendations for trip to Amsterdam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64423743; y=86nbgR5n3_S8_0WnMh81mDGT_n2X00-vDKbHrU2fMFpISPnupw X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Chris. Andrew On Apr 19, 2008, at 8:53 PM, "Chris" wrote: I had a rental car, Andrew. I was at Walibi before opening, (I was in the closest non-handicap parking spot to the front gate!) and arrived at Toverland with only 1 hour to explore. This was before Troy, though, so one hour (which wasn't quite adequate) would probably not be enough anymore. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Locke wrote: > > Thanks for the advice Chris. It is sounding more and > more like Phantaisaland is a winner. One of my > co-workers has strongly suggested I check out Cologne > (black cathedral and all) anyways. > > By the way, when you went to Walibi and Toverland in > one day, did you take a train or did you have a car? > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > --- Chris wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate > > Kohlrusch" > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks to the high speed train lines, I could > > easily get to > > pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands, Belgium or > > Northwestern > > Germany. So far, I have found the following larger > > parks in these > > areas: > > > > > > > > -Toverland (Netherlands) > > > > -Walibi--formerly Six Flags Belgium (Belgium) > > > > -Heide Park (Germany) > > > > -Phantasialand (Germany) > > > > > > > > > Personally, I think Heide Park and Phantasialand > > look the most > > > enticing. What about Walibi World (formerly Six > > Flags Holland)? > > > Goliath makes my mouth water. > > > > > > -Nate > > > > Having been to Heide, both of the Walibi parks > > mentioned and > > Toverland, as well as Bobbejaanland, Drievliet and > > Efteling... > > > > I'd say Phantasialand! > > > > Like Adam said, it's really about what you want to > > do. some of these > > parks might be able to be paired up, I did Walibi > > World and Toverland > > in one day and Drievliet and Efteling in another. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 07:15:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49381 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 14:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 14:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 14:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:15:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:15:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Monorail Red set to debut at Disneyland as Blue arrives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4or5o6fApD-kW0o7kOybnWdNOZuvpYrbUEJCJjFY3CWqBhc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 15, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1712 By Brady MacDonald ANAHEIM, CA -- Disneyland (DL) begins riderless daytime tests of the Mark VII Monorail Red next week in anticipation of a public debut by mid-May, Disney officials said. The California Division of Occupational Safety and Health (DOSH) could sign off on Monorail Red as early as this week, clearing the way for employee test runs and eventually park visitors, a Disney spokesperson said. Meanwhile, the shrink-wrapped Monorail Blue trains recently arrived at DL via flatbed truck, according to MiceAge's Dateline DL column. Late last week, sections of Blue were lowered by crane onto the beamway and pushed into the backstage roundhouse, according to MiceAge's Monday in the Parks column. Nighttime testing of Monorail Blue is scheduled to begin in early May, Disney officials said. In late March, Disney put to rest persistent Internet chat room rumors that Monorail Red would have to be sent back to the assembly plant in Canada for major modifications. The Mark VII's sleek iconic exterior features color-shifting paint with gray pinstriping that evokes the stainless-steel side panels of the 1959 original designed by Disney Imagineer Bob Gurr. ---------- Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 07:24:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75201 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 14:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 14:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 14:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:24:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:24:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: JOKE: Walt Disney Accidentally Thawed Out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rRgPhWzt4BEVqjNeaB6tKEhJ7rwgEdePCpUL1nFLk4Cynhs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 20 April 2008 The Spoof http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=3Ds2i33994 ANAHEIM, CA -- Walt Disney who died in 1966, and his body cryogenically frozen and held in storage under Disneyland's Pirates of the Caribbean ride, was accidentally thawed out over the weekend after a power cut resulted in his freezer defrosting. Disney, who was meant to be frozen until the day a cure for lung cancer was found, was refrozen - however it is not sure if he will be the same. "It was only for a few minutes" said Disney Spokesman Donald Cash "I am sure it will be fine." "He was still pretty cold and he didn't fully defrost. We closed all the rides down and diverted all the technicians to the freezer and got the power back on as soon as we could." Smiled Cash. Doctors though are worried that the snag could affect Disney when the cure for cancer is found. "Obviously we hope there will not be any side affects - however it is a very technical and scientific process and well, lets keep our fingers crossed." said Doctor Peter Birdseye an expert in frozen fools. ------------- Copyright =A9 2003-2008, TheSpoof.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 07:39:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43009 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 14:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 14:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 14:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:39:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:39:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney Trashes Its (Virtual) Magic Kingdom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4MrhQ67ydvx9IWDGGOFm2mumQpmUSN72BjOb1bSvJ46HNIw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 17, 2008 The Motley Fool http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008/04/17/disney-trashes-its-kingdom= .aspx By Rick Aristotle Munarriz GLENDALE, CA -- The clock is ticking on Disney's Virtual Magic Kingdom (VMK). The online experience -- think a family-friendly version of Second Life for the mouse-eared set -- will be shutting down next month. The free site was launched 3 years ago in conjunction with Disneyland's (DL) 50th birthday. I was one of the early beta testers. It was a hoot to create an avatar and stroll through a virtual recreation of Disney's flagship theme park. Members would play games, text chat, unlock secret spells, and earn credits that could be used to deck out their online digs. Things got even better that summer when Disney began to incorporate the experience into its theme parks. In-park kiosks would present scavenger hunts, giving players incentives to visit the parks. The game also served as a platform to promote new attractions, like the opening of Animal Kingdom's popular Expedition: Everest coaster. Even though the family entertainment giant ran a paid membership community, Disney's Toontown, for years before VMK's arrival, the success of the new experience proved addictive to Disney. It went on to acquire Club Penguin last year, with new online communities in various stages of deployment centering around its Pirates of the Caribbean, Disney Fairies, and Cars franchises. The new ventures make sense. They can be tied to merchandising efforts, where related playthings come with in-game codes for virtual trinkets. Toymakers like Mattel and Build-A-Bear Workshop are making inroads here, so Disney might as well tap its rich catalog of characters for similar benefits. The Mouse House certainly has advantages here that more conventional amusement operators like Six Flags, Cedar Fair, and Anheuser-Busch lack. So why kill VMK, especially when it would have been the ideal gateway drug for families to get hooked on Disney's new line of premium membership communities? That's what I don't get. The site's public rationale is that the community was never supposed to last forever. It was just a DL milestone promotion. That's hogwash. You don't spend years shoving codes in cereal boxes and selling cards and pins in the actual parks for virtual goodies that will be deemed worthless in a few weeks. More importantly, if you want consumers to devote time to the new communities, you're setting a terrible loyalty precedent by dismantling the one that started it all. Do you think any of the ex-VMK users will trust the new vibrant worlds Disney creates if they know they can all vanish under the guise of an anniversary promotion? Disney has beefed up its gaming efforts since VMK's launch. It struck a deal with Shanda Interactive to put out Disney online games in China. It has beefed up its software development team to create in-house titles. So why take down the flag, Disney, when the flagpole was just starting to be raised? --------------- =A9 1995 - 2008 The Motley Fool From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 07:47:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91956 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2008 14:47:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:47:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland unveils pricey VIP package X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Yry5lGAK6WvoQz3wa5kV1YEmJfSm7kylkR5cLipo2p-nYmE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Mar 31, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1023 By Brady MacDonald GLENDALE, CA -- Disneyland (DL) just raised the price of admission for the ultimate fan to $2,999. Starting in April 2008, Adventures by Disney will offer a 6-day vacation package that includes a backstage pass to many top-secret DL locations plus exclusive access to several Los Angeles television and film studios. 3-day Disneyland highlights: * Tour Walt Disney's private apartment above the fire station on Main Street, U.S.A. (watch video from Fresno ABC-TV affiliate). * Visit the exclusive Club 33 restaurant above New Orleans Square. * Travel aboard the private railroad parlor car the Lilly Belle. * Take a backstage tour of the parade-float warehouse and Circle D, where the theme park's animals are housed. * Get a behind-the-scenes look at the Indiana Jones Adventure ride. * Behind-the-screen viewing of Soarin' Over California at California Adventure. * Ride Space Mountain with the lights on after the park closes. * Get reserved seats for Fantasmic and Aladdin. * Get unlimited FastPass tickets to most major rides and attractions. 3-day Hollywood-area highlights: * Go backstage at "Jimmy Kimmel Live." * Meet a Muppeteer at Jim Henson's Creature Shop. * Take a tour of Walt Disney Imagineering. The all-inclusive package runs $1,879 to $2,999 per person depending on the time of year. Hotel accommodations and most meals are included. ------------------- Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 17:55:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74942 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 00:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 00:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 00:55:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6430 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2008 00:55:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lFYYV.AVM1nAWt2Ct7cpl_2EaEAxKcggb6FxfiesOSpyqE2eR.2IOsCWw40XvI.b8u166.hB99ft4L8Dd7wUlN57r2IobkIgfmPv0PhROwtx7rbsS_HIVLJcB5E- X-Received: from [71.127.8.142] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:55:38 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:55:38 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1208723459.3046.7203.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <767964.5292.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: Mt. Park book X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=qGnAkkyceTp5vsPu2nNjHB_35RzZz7XaOPv_JiqzdA8JtJ-OSK-C X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Which source would provide you the best benefit, financially speaking? < Thanks for asking! Actually, the real beneficiary is the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round. Purchasing the book directly from Arcadia probably gives the non-profit corporation that runs the ride a modestly higher return. But it has the most benefit if you buy the book directly at the Merry-Go-Round. (There's currently no online option for doing so.) Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 06:40:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64264 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 13:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 13:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 13:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:40:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:40:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Superhero theme park planned for Dubai X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KjxZqFjVIR5w8MXOo7qY_hYg30AmNbwOWCOjcMZ9YP-sc2A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 21, 2008 Agence France-Presse ABC News http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/21/2222317.htm?section=3Denterta= inment DUBAI, UAE -- Marvel Entertainment, the US-based creator of such globally renowned comic book characters as Spider Man, is set to build the world's first superhero theme park in Dubai. Tatweer, the Government-owned company behind the Dubailand leisure and tourism development, says the conceptual master plan of the 418,063 square metre theme park has been finalised. It will feature characters like Iron Man, the Fantastic Four and the Hulk, and is expected to welcome visitors in 2012. Dubailand will also include theme parks built in conjunction with DreamWorks and Universal Studios, as well as sports, horse racing and retail facilities. --------------- =A9 2008 ABC From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 21 06:44:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34594 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 13:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 13:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 13:44:39 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id h31so1819434pyc.23 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.127.20 with SMTP id z20mr3238806rvc.77.1208785478902; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:44:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <416276.36814.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <416276.36814.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=NA9LZFvUjpZR5l5BqzmhPKBCqzEmO4B3rSPn2AvNRBHMjoKeaFCuhs4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This sounds like it came from The Onion. It's completely absurd. But I guess it's > typical of what's happening at colleges and universities all over this country. > Campuses aren't for learning; they're for keeping kids amused. That's quite a broad generalization. I can't say there was anything about my in-classroom college experience that was particularly amusing or entertaining as opposed to educating. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 06:49:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29298 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 13:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 13:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 13:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:49:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:49:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six-year-old boy dies in Indian theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=s8kt1Btzxy4qyXTdozHYwVg5RVh5pjT5ukb9870v2ov0IVk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 20 April, 2008 Sify News http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=3D14652825 COIMBATORE, TAMIL NADU, INDIA -- A 6-y.o. boy died at a theme park in the city, soon after coming out of the pool where 'sea waves' are created, police said. The boy, son of a real estate business man, was playing in the 'sea waves' on Saturday night. Immediately after coming up, he reportedly collapsed and died on the spot, police said. The body was handed over to the parents and relatives on Sunday afternoon. Relatives protested for some time, seeking action against the management of the theme park, for lack of security and medical facility, police said. Investigations were on to find out whether the boy had died due to an 'epileptic stroke,' or suffocation after swallowing a large quantity of water while playing, police said. ------------- =A9 Copyright Sify Ltd, 1998-2007 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 21 06:50:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80777 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 13:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 13:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.179) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 13:50:09 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so393577ele.13 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:50:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.133.9 with SMTP id g9mr3214872rvd.235.1208785808719; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:50:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <65104.88374.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <65104.88374.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re :NEWS: Six Flags plans derailed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=theswYjCcP5cnxtY0NVKyj8NDwXLxnzKNIWZofD3xRxqbtAlEHoPJlA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > The last thing SFNE needs is a 150pph capacity attraction with zero > marketing potential that nobody but preschoolers want to ride. < > > You mean like "Thomas the Tank Engine?" :-) Thomas the Tank Engine is marketable based on the branding alone. They didn't just add a train ride, they added an entire themed area (and something that families can enjoy together). A train ride is certainly appeals to a broader audience than a kiddie helicopter. > There's lots of potential for theming and marketing. That section of the park is > smack in the middle of Gotham City. So? Even if you managed to cleverly theme a helicopter ride to Gotham City, do you really think that's going to entice people to visit the park? The branding is there, the attraction is not. > I'm glad Shapiro announced that he's ceasing his focus on coasters. Maybe that > contributed to the decision to scrap "Dark Knight." I highly doubt it. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 06:57:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17356 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 13:57:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 13:57:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 13:57:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:57:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:57:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 13:57:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:57:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: What's new at Theme Parks this summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bfAzEQ5GEdpZ9KampOTO9wZ46Svr6lUHD_0x3a_qNvWsfd0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 21, 2008 Smarter Travel http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/what-new-at-theme-parks-this-sum= mer.html?id=3D2552568 by Eileen Ogintz USA -- Do you scream on roller coasters? I do. In fact, my kids don't like to ride coasters with me because they say I scream so loud I embarrass them. They were actually relieved the time I lost my voice after one particularly scary coaster ride. Whether your gang loves or hates coasters, loves waterslides or refuses to wait in line for them (yes, that was us skipping the famous waterslides at Atlantis in the Bahamas), you'll find plenty of new attractions to amuse everyone at the country's more than 400 theme parks (and scores more water parks) this spring and summer. Here's just a sampling of what's out there: * Hard Rock Park, the first rock n' roll theme park anywhere, opens next month in Myrtle Beach, SC, with more than 40 rides and attractions celebrating rock 'n' roll culture and rock music legends. Led Zeppelin fans will love Led Zeppelin: The Ride, a coaster synchronized to the beat of Whole Lotta Love. Every area of the park includes attractions for all ages. * Legoland California has unveiled Land of Adventure, which allows guests to time travel back to 1920s Egypt. Check out the life-sized Lego Camel and the 16'-tall Lego Pharaoh. The 75 new Lego models here took nearly a half-million Lego bricks! The kids will love aiming laser blasters at targets in the park's first dark ride, Lost Kingdom Adventure. * Aquatica, SeaWorld's new South Seas-inspired park in Orlando, offers 36 waterslides, 6 rivers and lagoons=97even a ride that takes you in clear tubes through Commerson's dolphin habitat. There's also Walkabout Waters, one of the biggest interactive water playgrounds anywhere. * Nickelodeon Universe, the only Nickelodeon park anywhere, is located inside the Mall of America in Bloomington, MN. Ride the 67'-tall SpongeBob Square Pants roller coaster. And when you need a break from dragging the kids through the stores, meet your favorite Nickelodeon characters. * The Skyscraper at Cedar Point theme park in Sandusky, OH, lets riders sit in open cars, their feet dangling, and spin 16 stories in the air at speeds of up to 55 mph. But the little kids aren't forgotten at Cedar Point. There's a new Peanuts-themed Planet Snoopy area for young children that offers 7 thrilling rides. The gang will also have fun watching stunt bikers, skateboarders, and in-line skaters strut their stuff in a new show. But no matter how many new attractions a park offers, taking kids to theme parks is still stressful. For their part, theme parks are doing their best to de-stress your visit with timed ride-entry systems (such as Disney's FastPass program), VIP tours, and meal plans so you don't go over budget. All of that fun costs a lot, unfortunately. A 1-day child's ticket to Walt Disney World is more than $50! That's why you should carefully check the Web before you buy tickets and purchase just what you need. Skip that super-duper ticket, if you know you don't have time to hit half the places it includes. You often can find deals on each park's website, as well as the official tourism website for your destination (such as OrlandoInfo.com, for example). If you are going to be in Southern California, check out CityPass for discount books that include Disneyland and other area attractions; if you are heading to the Wisconsin Dells, check out the $19.95 coupon book that may save you hundreds of dollars on lodging and attractions. Also check with your employer. Many large companies offer discounts, suggests Dave Mandt, a spokesman for the IAAPA. Before you get in the car or head to the airport, take a virtual tour of the park. Have the kids help plan your visit. What are the must-sees? Let each person in the family choose something they want to do each day=97and make sure you get there. And no matter how much you've spent so your tweens can ride the newest coasters or your preschooler can meet her favorite characters, give up the idea of riding every ride and seeing every show. It's impossible. The kids will get tired and cranky. So will you. When everyone has had enough, go back to the hotel and jump in the pool. Remember, the point is to have fun, not drive yourselves crazy. See you on the roller coaster. I'll be the one screaming the loudest. ------------ =A9 1998-2008 Smarter Travel Media LLC. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Apr 21 07:27:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73472 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 14:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 14:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 14:27:40 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so1366591wfa.15 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.58.20 with SMTP id g20mr1701197wfa.338.1208788059681; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804210727we68ee27h958da37c3809a80c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:27:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <416276.36814.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=JTi67g3bjoSUDqNyzB0APzV7m-KmCS8uzIMd3naIRAKIi8XEzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can't say that I've ever really had much of an "entertaining" class experience, either. Kids at school, most of them anyway, realize there's a time for learning and a time for "doing stuff". Akron U's Rec center is HUGE, and offers a million things to do, one of them includes ::gasp!:: areas where students can study. You've got to keep in mind that college campuses are basically communities in themselves. People from all over come and live in housing, and without offering them something to occupy their time that they don't spend in class or studying (can't do that 24/7, I don't care who you are...), they will start to find their own things to do. Why not offer them a place to run, play, workout, and hang out? -Josh On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > This sounds like it came from The Onion. It's completely absurd. But I > guess it's > typical of what's happening at colleges and universities all > over this country. > > Campuses aren't for learning; they're for keeping kids amused. > > That's quite a broad generalization. I can't say there was anything > about my in-classroom college experience that was particularly amusing > or entertaining as opposed to educating. > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 08:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13271 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 15:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 15:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.76) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 15:42:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65690 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2008 15:42:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qvflwDYVM1nJEHPuSftZPmK80fu5El0AlWN2y63O08lTD8jlFjV5PfGZzOorE_Os1k2Oe1x1mVQ5V_hN1EAzRN1Kmr5EsCKVA87383SFBo8Z.v5jPDJQTEmmvQ-- X-Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:42:04 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:42:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <432701.65140.qm@web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=QyuZECsHStn7SB7uuAyspVI0MGSqmiasRwgsLWdZ1GW9WnKd X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > 1. Park you're most looking forward to visiting this > year. I'm not sure that I will even get to *one* park this year, but if I had to venture a guess, I'd say HersheyPark. > 2. New-for-2008 wooden coaster you're most > interested in. Honestly, I havent kept up with news during the off season so I couldnt even *name* a new of 08 woodie. > 3. New-for-2008 steel coaster you're most interested > in. Mostly by default due to lack of keeping in the know, but I'll go with Fahrenheit @ HP. > > 4. Most interesting non-coaster addition for 2008. No idea. > 5. Favorite coaster you rode last year. Expedition Everest @ AK > 6. Favorite park you visited last year. Ooh, toughie. I guess I'll say Disney Studios. > > 7. Number of parks you expect to visit this year. Expect? Zero. Hope? 2-3. > > 8. Planning to attend any enthusiast events in 2008? No, unless they bring back Coaster Celebration @ SFGAdv > > 9. Roller coaster you most want to ride (anywhere in > the world). Know this will sound strange, but Thunder Dolphin. Just the idea of a coaster attached to a building is weird. > > 10. Park you most want to visit (anywhere in the > world). Tivoli Gardens almost the oldest park in the world, stunningly gorgeous, and they even have a B&M. With the upcoming arrival of "Tater-Tot", parks aren't really high on the priority list. Though we may get to Hershey and/or Busch Gardens just for the atmosphere. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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--YCalReminder=NjkEEesZpjmWjXAbhUcf5qpl6xh92FE1208843413-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 06:37:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60628 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 13:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 13:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 13:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 13:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 13:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 13:37:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:37:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Commission approves clean-up of Defunct Texas Amusement Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eYQCAs9jP5G8E6yKm_suX_hFS0ORJgYP9LVl8SXTTu0NnRI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 21, 2008 KVIA-ABC http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D8203142 EL PASO, TX -- After weeks of delay, the County Commissioners voted to invest $232,478 of tax dollars to remove exposed asbestos and several old rides from what was once Western Playland Amusement Park (WP) on Ascarate Park. The team of county employees in charge of designing the abatement plan told the court everything will be removed except the restrooms, pavilion, a concession stand and the vegetation. County Judge Anthony Cobos said he did not feel this was a good use of tax money since the county had opportunities in the last year to settle with WP owner Pat Thomson and work with a private company that had said it would clean the park and renovate it. Commissioner Veronica Escobar said she thought Cobos was referring to the Image Group, which is headed by former candidate for County Commissioner and former City Council representative Alexandro Lozano. She told the judge the Image Group's plan would have cost the county about $400,000, and that the county would have still had to pay for clean-up of the park in the proposed settlement with Thomson, which would have cost more than $200,000. Judge Cobos was the only one to vote against the investment in a 3-1 vote. Commissioner Dan Haggerty was not present at the meeting. The asbestos abatement and clean-up should be complete in 90 days. Commissioner Escobar - who has Ascarate Park in her precinct - says the pavilion area should be ready before then, which could then be rented out and bring in revenue to the county. "I am confident that we can recoup some of that or all of that through the courts, because I do believe Mr. Thomson was responsible for cleaning up the mess that he left behind," said Escobar. Currently, the county is losing about $200,000 on the park a year.=20 Commissioner Escobar says that could change once that 14 to 20 acres of park land is reopened. ---------------- =A9 Copyright 2002 - 2008 WorldNow and KVIA From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 06:52:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80231 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 13:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 13:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 13:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 13:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 13:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 13:52:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:52:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Trimpers Amusement Park Looks Towards 2008 Season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GYLJmT_qiOF62a2fe6311Eb4DaO0xSXzl62mlJVRB0KaOW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 20 April 2008 Carousel News and Trader Magazine http://carouselnews.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D304= &Itemid=3D66 OCEAN CITY, MD -- Although last fall it was announced that the financially strapped Trimper's Rides Amusement Park would open for the 2008 season, specifics are still being worked out. Among the prized rides at the historic 117-y.o. family-owned park is the 1902 Herschell Spillman carousel. In December, The Dispatch reported that the Ocean City mayor and council "gave full support to the Trimper family, agreeing to back the concept of the proposed historic amusement tax district, a legislative proposal that many are hoping will keep the downtown Ocean City landmark in business for decades." (As of late March 2008, legislation has been passed to allow local governments to offer tax breaks to Ocean City's amusement parks, yet how much and whether that would be this year or next, remains to be determined). The prior reports that Trimper's might be closing for good, left many reeling, sparking a mass of letters to the editor, to the mayor and council and to pretty much anyone who would listen. A website was recently created in an effort to show support for Trimper's, which has been entertaining locals and visitors for over 100 years, and to provide an outlet for supporters to express their thoughts and memories. Those who have responded would all seem to agree that Ocean City would not be the same without Trimper's. The soaring property taxes in the downtown area are the number one obstacle to continued operation of the park. The Trimper family has estimated that the property tax assessments could double within the next 3 years, which would seem to be a safe prediction considering assessments increased 163% in 3 years from $29.6 million to $77.9 million. In an effort to prevent closing down, Granville Trimper, along with attorney Joseph Harrison, made a request in December for the mayor and council's support of a proposed bill to be submitted to the Maryland legislature. "The purpose of the legislation will be to permit the establishment of a special taxing district for a limited number of properties situated in the Downtown Amusement Overlay District of Ocean City, and which are utilized for purposes consistent with that district." Trimper explained that the proposal would, "help in continuing a 117-y.o. amusement park that has fallen on hard times," adding that he hopes the park will thrive for another 100 years. Harrison explained to the Mayor and Council that Delegate Jim Mathias, former Ocean City mayor, has shown preliminary indications of support, agreeing to have the proposed legislation drafted and submitted to state legislation, provided that both the town and the county are in favor. If passed, the effective date of the favorable tax treatment would be the tax year 2007-2008. Trimper explained that it is his, and his family's, intention to continue with the family business, but if help is not received, he may have no other choice but to close the park. According to Trimper, with the tax hikes, the company is currently makes no profit off from the rides. He says there are repairs, such as the roof of the merry-go-round, that need to be fixed and which they simply cannot afford at this point. The mayor and council agreed that Trimper's is a vital part of the town, one that could not be easily replaced. The council voted unanimously to support the concept of the proposed historic amusement tax district, but requested final approval of legislation once it is drafted. TRIMPER'S RIDES HISTORY Trimper's is historic partly because it has remained in the same family for over 100 years. Daniel B. Trimper and his wife, Margaret, grandparents of the current VP and manager of the park, Granville Daniel Trimper, arrived in Ocean City in 1890. By 1893 they were owners of boardwalk property between South Division and South First streets, including 2 hotels: The Eastern Shore and the Sea Bright. Rebuilding the Sea Bright in 1900 after a severe storm, the Trimpers modeled the new structure on Great Britain's Windsor Castle. The 2 hotels, together with a theater and an amusement park, became known as Windsor Resort. A 1902 purchase also adds to the historic significance of Trimper's Rides. It was that year that Daniel Trimper purchased a massive carousel from the Herschell-Spillman Co. It was 50' in diameter with a uniqueness derived from the only other carousel made by the firm at that time having been sent to Coney Island, and that one was later destroyed by fire. The merry-go-round's 45 animals, 3 chariots and 1 rocking chair were driven by a steam engine; rides originally cost just a nickel. 100 years later, the ride (now electrified) costs 4 tickets, or $2.00 - unless you buy the discounted package of 40 tickets for $18, and then your ride only costs $1.80. Generations of families still come every year to ride their favorite animal. Over the years the Trimpers added numerous rides; several of these rides also have historic significance, such as a smaller carousel which dates to the 1920s, as does a kiddie ferris wheel. In the 1950s, the Trimper family added outdoor rides. The pace of expansion has increased since the mid-1960s with a new ride being added nearly every year. The most popular ride in the outdoor park was bought in 1985: the double-loop boomerang "Tidal Wave" roller coaster. Other action favorites, among the 35 or more rides in the park, are the Matterhorn and Himalaya, although parents with smaller children like the ones they can ride together, such as the colorful Balloon Ride. The many games have their aficionados as well, with stuffed animal prizes awarded to the winners at Frog Bog and Whack-A-Mole. The Trimpers also added a retail shopping village to the property, the Inlet Village Shoppes in 1983. This area currently houses 14 shops, and 2 restaurants. For more information, visit www.savetrimpers.com ------------------ =A9 2008 Carousel News and Trader Magazine From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 07:08:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54594 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 14:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 14:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 14:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:07:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:07:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Saving a Piece of Hanson's Park History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=prN5k29BoM7l09d4epc1hHULw1zvVFmgNi_71CWrIGodF_g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 21, 2008 WNEP-16 http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D8203574&nav=3D5ka4 By Sarah Buynovsky HARVEY'S LAKE, PA -- Some people in Luzerne County are fighting to save what they call an important part of history, the old carousel from Hanson's Amusement Park (HAP) at Harveys Lake. They said time is running out. HAP closed in 1984. "Many of us grew up with HAP. I did, specifically in the summers, I spent a lot of my summers up there," said Elizabeth Martin of the Brass Ring Fund. The centerpiece of HAP was a carousel owned by the Wintersteen family of Harveys Lake. When HAP closed, the carousel was moved to Florida, where it's been leased. Now, the historic piece is up for auction this week in Florida. A local group, known as the Brass Ring Fund, is hoping to buy the carousel and bring it back to northeastern Pennsylvania. "It's what's left of our history," Martin added. The group is hoping to raise close to $1.5 million to buy the carousel. They're asking for donations. If they're successful, they said they will have to decide where to put it. They just know if everything works out, they will have it somewhere where everyone can enjoy it. "Anyone who has ever been to HAP and been on that carousel is reminded of our youth and I think we'd all like to be young and we'd like to go back!" Martin said. For more information about the campaign to save the carousel, click http://www.savethecarousel.com/ ------------------- =A9 Copyright 2002 - 2008 WorldNow and WNEP From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 07:16:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30051 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 14:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 14:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 14:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:16:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:16:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dubai entertainment expo closes on a high X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FHQzTNHDtT10lHI4PjIGQvevYhzMyYohfpPAB1pyv-0jrI8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 22-04-2008 Al Bawaba http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/UAE/226096 DUBAI, UAE -- The 14th edition of the Dubai Entertainment, Amusement & Leisure Show (DEAL 2008), taking place at Dubai World Trade Centre April 20-22, 2008, provided the perfect platform for showcasing some of the world's most innovative product launches. The largest show in the event's 14 year history, DEAL 2008 welcomed some 200 exhibitors from around the world, showcasing the very latest in rides, games and play equipment; water facilities; audiovisual and theatre equipment; and decorations. "This week has seen some of the most innovative leisure products unveiled to an eager Middle East market. From educational play centres for toddlers to access control systems, DEAL has served up the very best in entertainment and amusement merchandise. What's more, in keeping with the theme of the event, the show has proved fun and innovative and has no doubt left visitors and exhibitors with lots of talk about in the months ahead," said Abdul Rehman Falaknaz, President of show organisers International Expo Consults (IEC). Comfy Edutainment Centers introduced the first ever educational play centre solely for toddlers to the Middle East market. From exciting activities like experimenting with music and sounds, opening doors to reveal hidden surprises, matching well-known Comfy characters to their shadows and exploring their stimulating and colourful surroundings, Comfy's brand new educational play centre for toddlers is a parent's dream come true. Comfy's unique activity centre is specially designed for toddlers as young as 12 months, and extends to 5 years. ICE (Innovative Concepts in Entertainment) exhibited 3 new redemption games at DEAL. These are: Deal or No Deal (exciting redemption game, based on the TV game show), NFL 2 Minute Drill (interactive ball toss) and 3 Across (new style alley roller with super bonus game). "We have exhibited at DEAL since the 1st year, and are always very pleased with the quality of the show and results. We believe from past history and new developments, that the Middle East will continue to grow, and be even more a significant part of sales each year," said Gene Brogowski, Director of International Sales, ICE. OmniTicket showcased the very latest version of its admissions ticketing and access control system, which is used by many of the world's top visitor attractions. This has many important new features which are crucial to the visitor attraction in terms of speed, security, marketing and financial data. "We decided to exhibit at DEAL because the emerging visitor attraction market in the Middle East is very important to our company. We see the market continuing to develop very quickly in the Middle East and look forward to enjoying a high degree of success here," said John Davies, Director of UK Operations, OmniTicket Network Ltd. Rainbow Productions, a London-based company which is widely regarded as the European leader in the creation of costume characters and bespoke live events featuring puppets and costume characters, unveiled its 2 new characters, Delmo and Delma, created for the Lost Paradise of Dilmun Water Park, the Middle East's newest, largest water park which opened in Bahrain at the start of September 2007.=20 Delmo and Delma are the park's mascots who entertain and greet visitors to this unique leisure and family entertainment destination. Also splashing onto the aquatic scene was the massively inspiring Slideplay line by Waterplay. Key features include multiple slide options; play zone variety with dumping buckets, rain showers and interactive controls; sightlines that provide exceptional visibility of children at all times; compliance with ASTM F1487 safety standards; premium materials that stand up to the demands of chlorinated water. Last year's DEAL exhibition saw over $1-million worth of contracts signed during the show. Falaknaz is confident that this record has been beaten once again with DEAL 2008. "DEAL acts as a barometer to the Middle East's leisure market. The unprecedented growth of this year's show, and the sheer volume of business conducted over the past 3 days and set to continue into the summer, is testament to the huge potential the Middle East's leisure market offers," Abdul Rehman Falaknaz added. DEAL shows have the support of the IAAPA, the premier international trade association representing permanently situated amusement facilities and the manufacturers and suppliers that serve them globally. DEAL is also supported by the Amusement Industry Council of Europe, including Association Fabricantes Y Exp. Maquinas de la Foia de Bunyol, Associazone Nazionale Costruttori Attrezzature, Spettcoli Viaggianti; Amusement & Leisure Equipment Suppliers of the UK; American Amusement Manufacturers Assocation; International Association for the Leisure & Entertainment; India Association of Amusement Parks & Industries; and the World Waterpark Association. ----------------- =A9 2008 Al Bawaba From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 07:27:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19849 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 14:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 14:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 14:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 14:27:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:27:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: A century of Quassy Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BR7mYtGoeCuyB1ej4-axXPoQQkYblPDl2KzYGwHQ0paF8os X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 20, 2008 Republican-American http://www.rep-am.com/news/334623.txt By Matt O'Rourke MIDDLEBURY, CT -- On Monday, Eric Anderson moved swiftly from one end of Quassy Amusement Park (QAP) to the other, clutching a checklist in his hand. The hum and whiz of power tools pierced the air while mechanics bolted down a new giant yellow carnival slide and made repairs to rides that had been out of commission since last summer. Anderson said inspectors from the state would arrive at QAP in a matter of days to check every nut and bolt on each machine before the park opens April 26. However, this year is different, as QAP prepares to open for its centennial season. Anderson attributes QAP's success to 1-on-1 interaction with the park's patrons. "It's a busy, busy time for us. We have to get everything just right," Anderson, QAP's president and co-owner, said. "It's an exciting time." QAP, which opened in 1908 as a "trolley park" built by the Connecticut Trolley Co., was located at the end of the rail line connecting Middlebury to Waterbury. At the time, entertainment parks were located at the last stop of many trolley lines across the country. Today, QAP is one of 11 remaining trolley parks in the country, evolving from a lakeside picnic destination into the go-to amusement park for families to bring their children in the summertime. QAP, once known as Lake Quassapaug Park, first became a hot spot in the 1920s for teenagers who would play croquet or go canoeing during the afternoons before dancing in the park's large halls 7 nights a week. Shortly after 1930, the park made its first major adjustments, as patrons began riding the rails less and began taking buses. In 1937, the Frantzis, Terezakis and Leon families, which ran concessions at Quassy, purchased the park from the Connecticut Trolley Company. The Frantzis family has continuously owned and operated QAP ever since. While growing up, George Frantzis II, one of the park's co-owners, said he spent most of his time at QAP, helping his father, George, and grandfather, John, with maintenance and concessions. "I lived here for the most part. The beauty of it was there were so many different families with children my age," Frantzis said. "This was our playground and that was exciting." Frantzis' family has taken pride in QAP as an "affordable family fun place," and not a large-scale amusement center, he said. "We've always wanted it to be a place where a family can spend the day with as little financial pain as possible," Frantzis said. "That's something that hasn't changed." QAP has evolved over the years. QAP began to adjust its attractions to more carnival-style rides in 1950s and '60s, including a roller coaster and bumper cars. Frantzis said the "growth spurt" was necessary to keep patrons coming back. QAP became well-known for its Friday night specials, where patrons could ride attractions for only a quarter and purchase hot dogs for 50 cents, he said. In 1989, the park auctioned off its antique carousel, which had run at QAP since 1927. Despite the auction raising more than $630,000, Frantzis said, it was a bittersweet moment for his family. "It was something awful to do at the time, but we simply couldn't afford to insure it anymore," he said. Resident Donna Hine, 54, said she has fond memories of crawling with her friends under a chain-link fence that divides QAP from the Middlebury Recreation Area to get into the park, even though QAP doesn't charge an admission fee. When she was older, she took her children to QAP on Middlebury Day, when residents ride for free. "We'd go to the arcades and play ski-ball or get ice cream cones," Hine said. "It was the best way to spend a hot summer day." In 2003, the park expanded once more to include the Saturation Station, a water park that features water cannons and a 300-gallon bucket that fills up every 2-3 minutes before dumping on people standing beneath it. Anderson said that year the park underwent renovations, including a new roof for its carousel building. "It gave us new life. That part of QAP has kept us going," Anderson said. Anderson said that while QAP doesn't compete with larger parks such as Lake Compounce in Bristol or Six Flags New England in Agawam, MA, the addition of the water park did allow QAP to adjust to what patrons want. The park has also become popular for group outings and corporate events, which has become another source of income, he said. For QAP's centennial, Anderson had hoped to open a new wooden roller coaster that would have been 1,250'-long running adjacent to Lake Quassapaug. However, Anderson withdrew QAP's application before the Planning and Zoning Commission after complaints from neighbors about noise. "We hope to have it at some point, but there were other considerations," Anderson said. "There are always challenges to improvements." Instead, QAP will open 2 other rides =97 a giant slide and a swinging pirate ship ride =97 on April 26. Looking ahead, Anderson said he wants to preserve the family feel of QAP, gearing it toward "Mom, Dad and the children." "We always want to be in that right niche," Anderson said. "Somewhere between a mix of nostalgia and looking toward the future." ------------- =A9 1997-2008 American-Republican Inc. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 16:50:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93584 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 23:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 23:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 23:50:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51325 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2008 23:50:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6emBYekVM1mN2KaVpZtxL4Hu_MU85v6k9T4rAPmV83pkz2Uz2_SwTZPR7IH268NN2Z3a8BjE6cqNJfaNr1yDgTaot3cwoSfLKraXcPo_cnGCg5dG5gLzL59E13I- X-Received: from [72.70.228.163] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:50:06 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:50:06 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1208844033.1556.46279.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <412360.50679.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Liberty University adds Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=fZ6uN86unxxIZj6ZxUVX7OlPcPzvpD2CbXXFoZY8L_Qrz0ndtdB_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > You've got to keep in mind that college campuses are basically communities in themselves.< I know. I teach at one. But what I've been seeing is a growing trend toward simply occupying students' attention in whatever way possible to just get them into the college. It's once again all about high profit, not necessarily education. And I mean -- come on -- a roller coaster at a university? I'd be the last person to discourage the construction of a roller coaster, but building one at a university makes the place seem like a carny instead of a college. Now if the students built one as part of an engineering project, *that* might be interesting and educational.... Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 17:02:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62910 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2008 00:02:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2008 00:02:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2008 00:02:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2733 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2008 00:02:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 76v5njQVM1nFukXjbySVqTLZUYKe.FAfXwcnmO3wB5RJ6JE.WypE3.u90udhjYcmCFQNsEqu1E_jfvOHjziNoviKQtkcmcw.2lrcs0wYYWIAbR5b5AcJxzJ4xFs- X-Received: from [72.70.228.163] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:02:48 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:02:48 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1208844033.1556.46279.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <539295.2564.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags plans derailed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=W2XBo_2fGtW8cDOQWnysKserHNqLr6QhaCxeWZcvcPQCYR-OxrJI X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > They didn't just add a train ride, they added an entire themed area < All of which has very low capacity.... > (and something that families can enjoy together) < At SFNE, only the Thomas train is a true family ride. For the other three rides, the parents just stand in the sun watching their children go around. > A train ride is certainly appeals to a broader audience than a kiddie helicopter. < Then pick any other higher capacity family ride (like a Ferris wheel), and it probably would be a better fit for that area than a big ugly building. And speaking of capacity -- remember that the Colossus Ferris wheel at SFNE had a massive capacity, but the park chose to utilize only six or eight cabs no matter how crowded the park was. I don't care what the capacity of a ride is; if the park won't fill the ride, capacity is meaningless (as with Superman often running just one train). > So? Even if you managed to cleverly theme a helicopter ride to Gotham City, do you really think that's going to entice people to visit the park? The branding is there, the attraction is not. < SFNE doesn't need to attract more people; it's usually packed enough. What it needs are more true family attractions, not teen thrill rides. Who cares if a ride can be branded? What they need to do (if Shapiro is sincere in his wish to attract families) is to simply show families having fun together in the park, whether it's on Blizzard River or the New England Skyway or the Thunderbolt. Shapiro has to turn around the perception that SFNE is a place where parents drop off their teens. Right now, there's still not enough for middle-age folk to do. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 07:35:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98868 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2008 14:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2008 14:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2008 14:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:35:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:35:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:35:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: SeaWorld Coaster May Dip Riders In Lagoon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=LZGlTbX5LnPXLRBeXrVkk367h4rJYTM6ZmVJv6TsToxDoL0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 22, 2008 Local 6 http://www.local6.com/news/15955000/detail.html ORLANDO, FL -- A manta ray-themed roller coaster confirmed by SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) officials Tuesday would apparently dip riders into a lagoon during the thrill ride. "It's the most significant attraction in SWO history," said SWO spokeswoman Becca Bides. "We look forward to making an official announcement in May." The official announcement of the roller coaster may be coming in May, but several concept art images of the attraction have been featured on theme park and fan Web sites. The ride images show coaster cars winding over water at the theme park with riders splashing into a lagoon while facing down. Bides had no comment on the accuracy of renderings released to various Web sites. The ride is rumored to be called "Manta," featuring a sting-ray theme. SWO officials have promised that the new attraction will be more than a coaster, the ioacenteral.com Web site reported. The new attraction is expected to open at SWO in 2009. Slide Show http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/15955041/detail.html ----------------- Copyright 2008 by Internet Broadcasting Systems and Local6.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 07:41:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83706 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2008 14:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2008 14:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2008 14:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:41:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:41:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Two accused of rape on UK roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_k3RHGvHZhy1P_fV-5OBj6vqTL56uX2UfHV2rD0hJOFZ2OA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 23 April 2008 The Blackpool Gazette http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Two-accused-of-rape-on.4007= 823.jp BLACKPOOL, LANCASHIRE, UK -- 2 men face charges of rape allegedly committed on Blackpool's Big One roller coaster. The duo, who are charged with sexual assault involving 4 schoolgirls on a trip to the Pleasure Beach, have made their first appearance at court. The sex attacks on the four 13-y.o. girls are alleged to have taken place in the queue for and on the roller coaster on September 7 last year. Mechanic Asad Mahmood, 19, and Haqnawez Razzaq, 26, who are both of Oldham, each face one charge of rape and 4 charges of sexual touching. The defendants were bailed to appear at Preston Crown Court on August 7. ------------------ =A9 2008 Johnston Press Digital Publishing=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 07:51:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41574 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2008 14:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2008 14:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2008 14:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2008 14:51:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:51:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Roller-coasters and rhinos can co-exist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=CHcguRoe9Uk45_1A6hP8Fv_utHDy7bnD4Lycb1o9RoATtgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 8, 2008 The Age http://www.theage.com.au/news/editorial/the-rollercoaster-and-the-rhino-can= -coexist/2008/04/07/1207420297065.html?page=3Dfullpage#contentSwap1 WERRIBEE, VICTORIA, AU -- Werribee Open Range Zoo (WORZ) opened to the public 25 years ago. Back then it was a much simpler operation: a guided tour of bison, deer, ostriches, kangaroos and rhinoceroses. 12 years ago, it relaunched itself with themed attractions and a much broader range of interests for the visitor, such as an African Walking Trail and a Savannah Discovery Centre. Over the next decade it kept improving and expanding with, for example, a Volcanic Plains Walk, more rhinos (incorporating a successful breeding program), Slumber Safaris, the Lions on the Edge program and the Kubu River Hippos program. WORZ says more than 2.5 million people have visited it. This would seem an impressive number, until a 3rd party suggests that more than 1 million people could visit each year if a certain course of action were taken. That course of action is to expand WORZ into a theme park. Entertainment goliath Village Roadshow proposes a $220 million makeover within WORZ's grounds. The amusement park, over 40 hectares, would be known as the African Safari Park and would have the biggest roller-coaster in Australia, among other rides, and attractions such as an animal tour to be called the Serengeti Safari, a theatre, and a wildlife education and conservation centre. Village believes the African Safari Park, which it says would rival Disney's Animal Kingdom in Florida, could attract 1.3 million visitors a year, making it the state's biggest tourist drawcard. The company, which started life in Melbourne as the operator of a drive-in theatre in Croydon in 1954, has experience in operating theme parks. It operates several on the Gold Coast, including Sea World, Wet 'n' Wild and Movie World. The parks are magnets for tourists. The Victorian Government, in welcoming Village's proposal for WORZ, hopes that that attraction may reverse polarity and lead to an influx of people to this state and Melbourne. Certainly on figures from Tourism Victoria, something is needed to build visitor numbers. From 1999-2007, "interstate visitor nights" spent in Melbourne grew only 1.4% annually. The statewide figure was 1.5%. For the year ending December 2007, domestic visitor numbers to and within this state fell 0.1%. Melbourne had 6.5 million domestic overnight visitors in the year to December, which was a fall of 1.7% on the previous year. Parts of regional Victoria registered increased tourist numbers, but the figures point to little growth verging on stagnation. That being so, it is easy to understand the enthusiasm of the Tourism Minister, Tim Holding, for the WORZ plan =97 "a fantastic proposal". Holding spoke of concerns that "without a theme park here in Victoria, we are losing visitors". The other side of the coin to the theme park is the actual reason for its mooting: the animals. Village's zoologist, Trevor Long, says the entertainment aspect of the park will be sited away from the animals. Indeed, Village's managing director, Graham Burke, says the company has no plans to buy the zoo's animals. This is a welcome notice of intention. Zoos Victoria's chairman, Andrew Fairley, on Sunday was forthright in defending WORZ's stewardship of the animals. As to a takeover of the zoo, "we would not be prepared to acknowledge that that had any merit whatsoever". By yesterday, Fairley was "comfortable in working with Village in putting a theme park in", but he indicated the welfare of the animals was the zoo's responsibility. This is right and sensible. There is a world of difference in operating a theme park and running a zoo. The 2 concepts do not need to be mutually exclusive, but there does need to be clear delineation between what constitutes the entertainment of people and the conservation of animals. This issue was visited earlier this year in a series of articles The Age published into allegations of animal abuse and neglect at Melbourne's zoos. A former curator at Melbourne Zoo, Peter Stroud, said at the time: "In reality, all the resources go into the human experience at the expense of the animals." It was the "Disney" effect, he said. As The Age commented in an editorial, it was a question of balance. If the Werribee theme park is established, the animals must be looked after to a standard as high as anywhere in the world. Their needs must not be overshadowed by the need to build the fastest, most thrilling roller-coaster ride in the country. If the park is built and operated with regard to the needs of both animal welfare and entertainment, Victoria has the chance to draw huge numbers of tourists. Werribee could become a big game attraction. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008. The Age Company Ltd. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 06:32:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13153 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 13:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 13:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 13:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 13:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 13:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 13:32:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:32:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: End of UK pier rollercoaster plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9X0rTp1A6aJ1Wh6QYYFmEJhBocNjMq9VtCknTCNYFQsA8Qk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 22, 2008 Essex Echo http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local/display.var.2213770.0.end_of_the_pier= _rollercoaster_plan.php By Geoff Percival SOUTHEND-ON-SEA, ESSEX, UK -- THE driving force behind the latest plans for Southend Pier has insisted he can find the =A350million needed to drive the project forward. Thorpe Bay businessman Tony Garner, managing director of Epic World Leisure (EWL), spoke after revealing fresh plans to breathe new life into the landmark. A shore-end pavilion, cinema, museum, new railway station, viewing tower and the biggest rollercoaster over water in the world are all planned as part of the ambitious scheme. Garner won planning permission 11 years ago for his rollercoaster, known as the Swine, until Southend Council pulled the plug over concerns about cash available to see the project through. Speaking of his latest plan, Garner said: "We have already spent =A31.5million developing our various ideas for the pier. We have had discussions with several banks concerning the financing of the scheme. "In fact, we have been approached by one bank which was responsible for the funding of the large new rollercoaster at Blackpool Pleasure Beach. I would say the most likely funding arrangement would be a package drawn up with a number of banks." He added it was unlikely, even if EWL gained planning permission and a lease from the council, that anything would be done before the end of the year. Garner said: "We have to bear in mind the current financial situation and no company could consider borrowing money for this type of scheme unless everything is in place to go ahead. "My opinion is that the credit crunch will bottom out during this year, after which things should be easier." Architect Bernard Gooding said the latest plans had more credibility because talks had taken place with Southend Council planning officials. But the council said no decision has been made on any pier development. CEO and town clerk Rob Tinlin said: "While council officers held normal pre-application discussions with representatives of EWL last year, the details of the plans which have recently been published are purely those of the private company and are not put forward on behalf of, or with the support of, Southend Council. "We are fully committed to regenerating the pier and any participation in the development or management of the pier in line with the findings of the public consultation, carried out last year, will be sought by normal open tender. "Any independent plans or proposals put to us will be considered through the normal planning process." ---------------- =A9 Copyright 2001-2008 Newsquest Media Group From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 06:50:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48646 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 13:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 13:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 13:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 13:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 13:49:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:49:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Growth Study of India's Amusement Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9THFAULO92E7k2MhC7LUR8OpvImAbeBeelAcxcSek9ixqFc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 15, 2008 Express Hotelier http://www.expresshospitality.com/20080415/management17.shtml By Mona Mehta INDIA -- They aim to thrill. But in India, the number of amusement parks are far too few. Not only are they few, they are also way behind in terms of what they have to offer when you compare them with what is on the menu in certain other countries. Way back in 1984 India got its first amusement park in the form of Appu Ghar in Delhi. But after that there hasn't been much of a spike in their numbers. The business of amusement parks is still at a nascent stage. And now, even that very first centre of fun, Appu Ghar, has closed down. But don't lose heart. Real estate developers across the country are dreaming up new ways of keeping families entertained and the cash registers ringing a la theme parks, giant wheels, water parks, food courts and more. What balances the equation of fun and funds is what needs to be looked at. Says Anand Lamdhade, assistant GM, Essel Infraprojects, "An amusement and/or water park is a comprehensive facility. It involves the planning and provision to the extent of almost a township." So right from basic amenities, functional requirements, maintenance back-up, workshops, service provisions, to core rides taking care of all age groups and tastes need to be looked at. Theming is an additional aspect of enjoyment. To top it, environmental and societal concerns must also be taken care of. Safety and maintenance are pillars of this very interactive entertainment business. And then the people... As Lamdhade adds, "Every guest has his special needs and hence the ingredients for the desired 'experience' are unique." The bigger picture Then there is the bigger picture. Shubhranshu Pani, president - retail services, Jones Lang LaSalle Meghraj, which has been mapping the growth of this industry observes, "An amusement park of international standards must offer high class entertainment facilities, self-contained infrastructure and must have a significant regional impact on tourism as well as social benefits. It must be operated and maintained on sound commercial principles and there should be ease of operation for investors and employees." Extolling the virtues of Appu Ghar and why it worked, Pawan Malhotra of Mahindra Lifespaces says it was a classic example of an amusement park with easy access destination, ample parking space and lots of rides that children could enjoy. He adds, "For amusement parks to be a success, they should be integrated into the city projects where there is a large population with infrastructure available as a key to enable visitors to reach there in a short duration. In order to make amusement parks a success business model, there has to be a cost-benefit analysis too." Bharat Ludhani, director of Mumbai-based Evershine Builders who started running the Evershine Dream Park at Thakur Village, Kandivali, Mumbai around 3 years ago says, "In order to set up an amusement park, it is imperative to have large land tracts reserved for the garden so that space for appropriate amenities can be provided and customers can benefit in turn." Pani explains, "Amusement parks must have sufficient area to incorporate all facilities and must include a retail environment and even hospitality amenities, theme-water park rides, and advanced security measures. It must also afford easy inter-hub transportation for visitors and for supplies." As for the ticket prices, Lamdhade believes they generally depend on the scale, quality, place of business, the fillers and of course the tax structure applicable. It should be more value than money spent. Many a times this value is infused by packing in much more experience in softer tones like live events (entertainment/thrill/stunt shows), interaction with mascots, etc. Ludhani adds that the company is shortly going to develop similar large-size amusement parks in townships in Vasai, Virar, Mira Road in Mumbai, apart from Nasik and Pune. "By running amusement parks, we are fulfilling a social need as customers from surrounding residential buildings visit our amusement parks at an entry fee of just Rs 5 per person. Hence, we do not see this as a profit-generating business." There are other factors too. For instance, due to the Evershine Dream Park at Kandivali, property prices of the surrounded residential buildings has already shot up by almost 30%, and is expected to shoot up further in the near future. Hence, residential buildings surrounding amusement parks are at an advantage as the home occupiers see a good return on investment (ROI) on their flats in the short-term itself. The entertainment economy Earlier, the concept of amusement parks in the vicinity was a novelty for most people. Hence experimenters as well as opportunists made up the segment. Then followed the wave of the entertainment economy, with several takers lining up. The growing Indian economy, nuclear family structures, husband and wife as earners leading to increasing disposable income, changing lifestyles and exposure to foreign parks, coupled with increasing demand for outdoor interactive entertainment led to the demand pull. Special attractions at amusement parks today are geared towards giving a high to both adults and children. People are also demanding more daredevilish rides that are a cut above what you would get at your local mela. As an industry, amusment parks are growing at a pace of 20-30%. The footfalls have typically been building up, but are also getting localised. To match this growing demand, many small versions of such parks are coming up. However, standard-wise they are quite inadequately planned, unorganised, under-developed and not professionally managed. People still look at old trusted brands as true-blue amusement parks. Disneyland still continues to be the role model for the amusement industry. A step up in scale, composition, quality and service is the order of the day in most Indian parks. Yet, Esselworld, Water Kingdom, MGM, VGP, Veegaland, Fun-n-food Village, Kishkinta, Wonderland are some of the aspiring and comparable examples. Also, the fact that many of these parks are opening in different parts of the country, obviously means it makes good business sense to run them. The ideal amusement park today incorporates entertainment facilities designed for target audiences consisting of tech-savvy teens, young adults and families. It will have a children's zone, a teen zone and a family zone to attract the widest possible clientele. Also, international-grade amusement parks are also good ways of opening up remote places for retail and hospitality. Where's the money? The fact that huge investments are required in setting up these parks is understood. But when does the money come in? Is there any average time line that one can look at when it comes to making money out of these ventures? Points out Parashar, "Typically this industry has a long gestation period of about 5-7 years and it also requires frequent (every 3-4 years) capital investment for upgrading and adding new rides." Then there is localisation. With increasing travelling costs, decrease in personal time, difficulties in metro cities leading to discomfort, narrowing gap in expectations at metro cities and tier II cities - all of these are leading to localisation of such parks, and hence localisation of the clientele also. Almost every tier II city and even growing tier III cities - are having at least 1 such park. The potential in the industry is huge. Adds Parashar, "Profits depend on how well-researched the location and catchment is. If both are scientifically chosen, profits can accrue from the 2nd year of successful operation." According to industry experts, after having completed 2 decades, this industry has reached scattered investments of only Rs 4,000 crore. The expansion is also taking a hit due to various competitive factors in entertainment and allied activities. Further, profit margins are limited to only 10-15% per individual. This industry is also highly impacted by climatic changes and academic schedules. Typically, the monsoon, extreme summer and severe winter affect business. Exam times also add to a depletion in the number of visitors. To counter this, various publicity campaigns and incentives are offered to lure the visitor during the lean season. Says Lamdhade, "A lot of above-the-line and below-the-line activites are undertaken by us apart from personal experience, wherein people also get to evaluate the place for themselves on quality, safety etc. Different forms of promotional schemes - discount schemes, extra benefit schemes, event linked schemes, festival-based schemes, etc are regularly offered by us." However, Lamdhade feels that this industry is not getting the desired support from the government in terms of taxation, seed capital incentive and other related incentives. "It's unfair to compare the industry with well established quick return tourism and entertainment businesses like hotels, cinema, multiplexes, etc," he says. Here are some numbers: As of now, the entertainment duty taxation varies from about 10-25% depending on state level policies, customs duty for equipment and rides stands at 45%, and in some categories up to even 100%. So when people say 'Let's give clean fun of this kind a break' most would agree. Wouldn't they? ------------- =A9 Copyright 2001: Indian Express Newspapers From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 07:08:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57688 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 14:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 14:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 14:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 14:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 14:08:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:08:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: Video: Base jumping off a rollercoaster at Thorpe Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EpzwGxIdC4Unn2PmX-oVeFC1ecmdOewcVlOY4jpA1jo2JfE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 11, 2008 The Mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more/2008/04/11/video-base-jumping-off-a-roll= ercoaster-at-thorpe-park-89520-20379865/ By Chris Wilson CHERTSEY, SURREY, UK -- Base jumpers Dave Moores and Max Hurd attempted the first ever UK base jump off a rollercoaster at Thorpe Park earlier this week. The pair jumped off the top of Europe's fastest rollercoaster Stealth. Watch a video of the jump Speaking after the jump Max Hurd said: "Jumping off Stealth was an amazing experience, I felt I jumped as fast as it accelerates!" ------------- Copyright 2008 The Daily Mirror From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 07:20:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68899 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 14:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 14:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 14:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 14:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 14:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 14:20:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:20:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Children enjoy last fling at Metroland Closing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=B5QhIMCju5RmktzUbKzyKisFMS0Pc8hGxmwU5Fs1aiiNPbA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 21 2008 Evening Chronicle http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/200= 8/04/21/children-enjoy-last-fling-at-metroland-72703-20794770/ by Kerry Wood GATESHEAD, TYNE & WEAR, UK -- Riding the rollercoaster for a final time, hundreds crammed into MetroLand to say goodbye to the famous funfair. The famous attraction at Gateshead's MetroCentre closed its doors for the last time yesterday. Enjoying wall-to-wall rides and treats while their parents watched on, youngsters made the most of their last trip to the indoor theme park. Mum Rebecca Harris, 35, from Sunderland, said: "As a child I came here the first week it opened, it is a child's dream but it's also good for parents as you can come here while doing your shopping. "There is nothing else like it in the North East and it is a shame it is having to close." Her 9-y.o. daughter Samantha added: "I am not happy MetroLand is shutting as I like coming here." Excitedly waiting to have her face painted, youngster Megan Nixon, 7, from Chester-le-Street, said: "I will miss it when it closes." Ryan Gascoigne, 8, was at the fair with his mum and dad. He said: "I really like coming here and going on the rollercoaster." After more than 20 years in the MetroCentre, the fun park is having to close to make way for a new Odeon Cinema. The move will result in about 40 workers being made redundant. Senior manager Andy Bailey has been inundated with e-mails and letters from parents across the region sad to see the park close. He said: "All week we have been extremely busy. I think the region will really miss having such a unique park on its doorstep, there is nothing else like it in the North East." Having shut the doors to the masses for the last time, staff prepared for a charity bash on its last evening. In aid of the Chronicle's Sunshine Fund, MetroLand played host to a Last Ticket to Ride party attended by crowds of children. Bailey added: "MetroLand has helped many charities in the region. However, we all felt the Evening Chronicle had been extremely supportive and this is why the donation of the Last Ticket to Ride admission price is being given to the Sunshine Fund charity." Everything at the park has been sold off. ---------------- =A9 2008 owned by or licensed to NCJ Media Limited From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Apr 24 11:58:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97538 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 18:58:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 18:58:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 18:58:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 18:58:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 18:58:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2008 18:58:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:58:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Video: Base jumping off a rollercoaster at Thorpe Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=vSjVrx5hT5h16roBl_8FWlELOXZB4frpygGuMqVu0FGonMPlbA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > Speaking after the jump Max Hurd said: "Jumping off Stealth was an > amazing experience, I felt I jumped as fast as it accelerates!" Which, of course, is the very definition of gravity. Jon Z (mocking the lack of comprehension of basic physics) The First From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Apr 24 13:02:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36328 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 20:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 20:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 20:02:30 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so774898uge.28 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.131.18 with SMTP id e18mr561914wfd.147.1209067348395; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0804241302j135df3c9h7d30734601dd6641@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:02:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Video: Base jumping off a rollercoaster at Thorpe Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ciUJDaawaLN3QRm9Q6xhX8M7iaCTGthvwbSYT_3FyywMEVYYMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Except, that Stealth is a hydraulic launch, which I'm inclined to believe is the "acceleration" he is referring to... :-D -Josh On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:58 PM, zucker0615 wrote: > > Speaking after the jump Max Hurd said: "Jumping off Stealth was an > > amazing experience, I felt I jumped as fast as it accelerates!" > > Which, of course, is the very definition of gravity. > > Jon Z (mocking the lack of comprehension of basic physics) The First > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Apr 24 14:34:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87986 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 21:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 21:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 21:34:52 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-101-159-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.159.225] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jp95g-0002tZ-DW for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4810FC22.7050305@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:31:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <261735.69574.qm@web90604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <261735.69574.qm@web90604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825c03fe7276c88f5237e004d3c656f06bb5ec4cd5a79feb0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Fwd: Answers.com Today's Highlights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=s5qgKnquxaNtc9s4x4iXU-lISJ15TSWuXnbW9rFvKXxJABM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Bob Milford wrote: > > > here it is... > > Note: forwarded message attached. Hey Bob and everyone else, Don't forget that we have attachments turned off on the list, and they're automatically removed. So if you're going to forward something to the list, be sure to copy and paste the text, and/or provide links if there are images. It's that way to help prevent malicious files being sent through the list. Hoping that you'll give it another go. I'd love to take a look. keep on ridin' George From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 17:02:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29317 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 00:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 00:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 00:02:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22755 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2008 00:02:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uPsIZjsVM1k0Lps1ua1BPNY.HgSMBW5SgSHU8ezH2LnwlfnH55vIi2J.oWEiB4U72pZ37arr79ygfInxcmOvuHair.kxwZlwVMsTN0bdk4M1MLI53R_l3LK3ZjU- X-Received: from [72.70.228.163] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:02:31 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:02:31 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1209001717.2547.82257.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20045.22189.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Two accused of rape on UK roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=RLK9u5YVBatxqdNWXJUjKY3UKsa1Oj3MaxxinlXQavmwE0v2X2Le X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The sex attacks on the four 13-y.o. girls are alleged to have taken place in the queue for and on the roller coaster on September 7 last year. < I'm confused. How could this have happened unless the park was completely empty? You mean no one else in the queue paid any attention to the attacks? And how could it happen *on* the ride? Maybe I'm a bit naive, but that seems a bit improbable. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From voicerodeo@gmail.com Thu Apr 24 17:38:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38732 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 00:38:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 00:38:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.242) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 00:38:17 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k29so1824008rvb.3 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.88.3 with SMTP id q3mr1475277rvl.94.1209083897202; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from LewisMobile ( [70.162.164.77]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm1311676rvb.0.2008.04.24.17.38.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00e301c8a66c$a23043d0$070aa8c0@LewisMobile> To: References: <20045.22189.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:38:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Two accused of rape on UK roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=azaOWC-Seyg_z7VwrnD-bw6wpaRcfVomV5x4SwaCaCIKIEFqLA X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes.. my thoughts exactly when I read it.... The only thing I can imagine is if it was SO busy.. that they were packed in like sardines..and had people on both sides "blocking" so no one could see... even still.. kinda hard to believe... Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Two accused of rape on UK roller coaster > The sex attacks on the four 13-y.o. girls are alleged to have taken place in the queue for and on the roller coaster on September 7 last year. < I'm confused. How could this have happened unless the park was completely empty? You mean no one else in the queue paid any attention to the attacks? And how could it happen *on* the ride? Maybe I'm a bit naive, but that seems a bit improbable. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 18:41:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33499 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 01:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 01:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 01:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 01:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 01:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 01:41:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:41:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4810FC22.7050305@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Fwd: Answers.com Today's Highlights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=vhfon3seVrEGT2_sFR4KDZpz7oTVb8_Y6vZSyE6YiZsX-v4erDv6 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 . >=20 > Hey Bob and everyone else, >=20 > Don't forget that we have attachments turned off on the list, and=20 > they're automatically removed. So if you're going to forward=20 something=20 > to the list, be sure to copy and paste the text, and/or provide links=20 if=20 > there are images. It's that way to help prevent malicious files=20 being=20 > sent through the list. >=20 > Hoping that you'll give it another go. I'd love to take a look. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > Bob's post without the attachment went to my bulk/spam folder. The good=20 one went to my regular mailbox. Essentially, all it was was a press=20 release...didn't learn anything new from it, but worth reading. Mike From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 25 05:30:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69822 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 12:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 12:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 12:30:22 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so370729ywq.20 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:30:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.78.41 with SMTP id a41mr436722ybb.181.1209126621867; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm3653973wrl.21.2008.04.25.05.30.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:30:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:30:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: Acib6Yt9eBt6mA52SHaW741XNQ0y3AK4yniw In-Reply-To: <7AC6F3541CCF41C8BA39235CCAE28575@ScreamscapeHP> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <4811cedc.080c360a.5481.ffffc75e@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=7APjX_CNHG_PZtnZW17HLedKCrLBADwTRSmbFQ314oSyXUg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nate said, "I don't think I've heard anything about this, and I don't believe it's on Screamscape. What's the deal with this one?" "I'm not sure either... though it can be so hard to get good info about new attractions in China." Very true. We sell for 3DBA here in the states and I only have a limited amount of information on the project. I only know that a sea-themed CircuMotion Theater and custom high-end dark ride themed from them will be opening with the park. The next time I talk to them I will ask about it. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 25 05:51:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90913 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 12:51:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 12:51:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.235) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 12:51:40 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so3077890wxd.31 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:51:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.214.19 with SMTP id m19mr7524307ang.1.1209127899379; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm3689412wrl.21.2008.04.25.05.51.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:51:38 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:51:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AcihmEVPBEDdB/dQSGu4qhihWWm+GAFOnPBg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <4811d3da.080c360a.5481.ffffcc0d@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.235 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Coney Island Design Revised X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=7SRjAKZV0hIG8cN_o_krnOBajSH1N846OeToWqupGw67ln0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Ugh. This just sounds like either it's all falling apart, or a LOT of money has greased the right palms. Including residential units and decreasing the size of the amusement area?" I agree that it is not ideal. Conversely, I would like them to settle on something with the Bloomberg administration in place. Thor's plan had been to just wait out the current administration and try to convince the next one that their plan was the right path for the area. I think things moving with the revised plan are better than sitting on the properties for a few years, have Coney become even unstable, and then throw up their housing-heavy concept. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Fri Apr 25 06:03:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69232 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 13:03:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 13:03:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta10.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 13:03:21 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta10.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E36400E9 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:03:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.480fe5c9.2cd22 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:03:20 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIEdaYtAJJFgIAAAAB,146d2fbd0ce3695c34bd8e4f65f2a6f1 Message-ID: To: References: <4811cedc.080c360a.5481.ffffc75e@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4811cedc.080c360a.5481.ffffc75e@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:03:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=HmpP0oRhTBlbUEnetenyJLBG-yDKSl9Q4Yv_n7eFtAflRwfCQ82RV3v9QA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what exactly is a "CircuMotion Theater" anyway? I must have missed that at IAAPA. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Sandy To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey Nate said, "I don't think I've heard anything about this, and I don't believe it's on Screamscape. What's the deal with this one?" "I'm not sure either... though it can be so hard to get good info about new attractions in China." Very true. We sell for 3DBA here in the states and I only have a limited amount of information on the project. I only know that a sea-themed CircuMotion Theater and custom high-end dark ride themed from them will be opening with the park. The next time I talk to them I will ask about it. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 25 06:15:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94211 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 13:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 13:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 13:15:03 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so304814ywb.37 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.73.6 with SMTP id v6mr507917yba.117.1209129301946; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3736757wrl.12.2008.04.25.06.15.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:15:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: Acim1MGENasRWGH3TcWEP8gFMoXfRQAAFgHQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <4811d955.070c360a.452b.ffffe5b3@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=BUnvH6sNveKNol3DmNNrfdLSXCCoILOtUICVaiAE8IJKBlg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "So what exactly is a "CircuMotion Theater" anyway? I must have missed that at IAAPA." If you go to www.rideentertainment.com and look under 3DBA, then Custom Theaters and on the PDF you can see some documentation on it. Essentially the idea is 3D immersion. 100 or 150 seats are set in a circle. The film actually wraps around the guests using 18 projectors and a compound curve screen. Here there is no break at the edge of the screen, like with T2 3D. There you can see where the screen ends and live actors begin. Here you are simply put into the environment. For instance, if you see a fish you will watch him come at you, try to eat you, then swim away past you and you can actually watch him fade away behind you. In addition, the seats are on a platform that can yaw, pitch, and even rotate up to 20 mph at the edge of the disc. There can also be 4d effects (rumble, leg ticklers, mist, etc.) in the seats like on Shrek or Muppets. I have seen a mock-up with high def tvs and it was pretty cool. The concept was developed by Falcon's Treehouse and 3DBA is the exclusive representative for them. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Apr 25 06:43:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70165 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 13:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 13:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.239) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 13:43:02 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so1813689rvb.26 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.113.6 with SMTP id q6mr1678908rvm.135.1209130982125; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:43:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4811d955.070c360a.452b.ffffe5b3@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4811d955.070c360a.452b.ffffe5b3@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=VXSXEgwrbUKdCeMHh6b2vBmf06byoJLWKZqhyfKLDM53Q8MHd79kzN8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > If you go to www.rideentertainment.com > and look under 3DBA, then Custom Theaters and on the PDF you can see some > documentation on it. There are some really cool ideas on there, actually. They also have an interesting "flying theatre" concept, as well as a pretty nice looking "5-D theatre." I don't know how much these things cost to build and develop, but I wish Six Flags (and some other big companies in the States) would look into these kinds of attractions. It seems to me they'd be able to get a Universal-quality attraction on a much smaller budget, especially if they developed one story and film to carry across all of the parks in the chain. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Apr 25 07:52:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10006 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 14:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 14:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.184) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 14:51:59 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e6so788999gvc.26 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.49.2 with SMTP id w2mr661580ybw.27.1209135118208; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 66sm3098470wra.15.2008.04.25.07.51.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:51:57 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:51:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: Acim2k1M6ZZw3qAKTZWZ09pgnYOo4AACHdxw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <4811f00d.4201360a.766c.ffff80fa@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.184 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=fsWiEBndVNMvwc_k4kt5n0T0mpaNOgX3cgq90QIa3z6ltwM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "There are some really cool ideas on there, actually. They also have an interesting "flying theatre" concept, as well as a pretty nice looking "5-D theatre." I don't know how much these things cost to build and develop, but I wish Six Flags (and some other big companies in the States) would look into these kinds of attractions. It seems to me they'd be able to get a Universal-quality attraction on a much smaller budget, especially if they developed one story and film to carry across all of the parks in the chain." We have tried. Theaters are just a harder sell here than Europe, Asia or the Middle East. It seems that some people still think of Days of Thunder or the Right Stuff when they think theater and can't get that out of their head, but what we sell is not like them at all. With all digital film, XYZ movement coordinates delivered via computer instead of a fat guy with a joystick, and great environmental effects they are worlds apart. We actually can deliver a 200-seat (Shrek-like) theater for about 1.5 million USD all-in. That is about the same price as 3-4 Zamperla kiddie rides all in.and you can only buy so many kiddie rides. The key cost is content, but as you mentioned, if you have a chain that is one-time cost and you can roll out the film across a chain. For not a lot of money we can make a branded, IP-based film, which I really think is the key to selling any film concept to park-goers. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Fri Apr 25 08:32:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17125 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 15:32:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 15:32:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta10.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 15:32:46 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta10.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2634040229 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm103.480fe5fd.882a8 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:29:56 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIEfj07Wp1MAIAAAAB,22540b1278d068d1fc7e843a2c745934 Message-ID: <716BBAB5ACF84235B21485BA4BF450F8@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <4811d955.070c360a.452b.ffffe5b3@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4811d955.070c360a.452b.ffffe5b3@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:32:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=rLddb6-qoew7qX6cZajhbyNcgRl9L_Qf1ZFP7tcpg0NIJ5ALm898bPBLvg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Adam, I see now. I did try out a small 360 Theater thing by Sega at IAAPA that did this as well, minus the motion base of course. Does this new 3DBA product have any connection to the Stargate themed attraction that was announced for Movie Park Germany and later dropped? It sounded similar... a 360 theater surrouding riders on a central motion base. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Sandy To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey "So what exactly is a "CircuMotion Theater" anyway? I must have missed that at IAAPA." If you go to www.rideentertainment.com and look under 3DBA, then Custom Theaters and on the PDF you can see some documentation on it. Essentially the idea is 3D immersion. 100 or 150 seats are set in a circle. The film actually wraps around the guests using 18 projectors and a compound curve screen. Here there is no break at the edge of the screen, like with T2 3D. There you can see where the screen ends and live actors begin. Here you are simply put into the environment. For instance, if you see a fish you will watch him come at you, try to eat you, then swim away past you and you can actually watch him fade away behind you. In addition, the seats are on a platform that can yaw, pitch, and even rotate up to 20 mph at the edge of the disc. There can also be 4d effects (rumble, leg ticklers, mist, etc.) in the seats like on Shrek or Muppets. I have seen a mock-up with high def tvs and it was pretty cool. The concept was developed by Falcon's Treehouse and 3DBA is the exclusive representative for them. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Apr 25 09:02:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38173 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 16:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 16:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 16:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 16:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 16:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 16:02:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:02:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: OBIT: Ollie Johnston, Dies at Age 95 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5rHnye7wi4isGrKsMni5i-J06SQotKGcqGrSnweAkbjX9tk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 15, 2008 PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 04-15-2008/0004793451&EDATE=3D BURBANK, CA -- Ollie Johnston, one of the greatest animators/directing animators in animation history and the last surviving member of Walt Disney's elite group of animation pioneers known affectionately as the "9 Old Men," passed away from natural causes at a long term care facility in Sequim, WA on Monday April 14th. He was 95 years old. During his stellar 43-year career at The Walt Disney Studios, he contributed inspired animation and direction to such classic films as "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs," "Pinocchio," "Fantasia," "Song of the South," "Cinderella," "Alice in Wonderland," "Peter Pan," "Lady and the Tramp," "Sleeping Beauty," "Sword in the Stone," "Mary Poppins," "The Jungle Book," "Robin Hood," "The Rescuers," and "The Fox and the Hound." Johnston moved from his California residence to a care facility in Sequim, WA in March 2006 to be near his family. He is survived by his 2 sons: Ken Johnston and his wife Carolyn, and Rick Johnston and his wife Teya Priest Johnston. His beloved wife of 63 years, Marie, passed away in May 2005. Funeral plans will be private. In lieu of flowers, the family suggests donations can be made to CalArts (calarts.com), the World Wildlife Fund (worldwildlife.org), or National Resources Defense Council (nrdc.org). 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From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri Apr 25 12:08:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 642 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 19:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 19:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 19:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 19:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 19:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 19:08:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:08:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <716BBAB5ACF84235B21485BA4BF450F8@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=MutXEodICVNef1gsgNPjXHslTTUcpshlxcdC_uamqdLI6Xf-_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Oh, I missed that one.=20 My wife is a Stargate fanatic. Can you send me any information, or=20 links to, about this already-defunct idea? I'd like to see what had=20 been planned. Thanks, Jon Z --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > Does this new 3DBA product have any connection to the Stargate themed=20 attraction that was announced for Movie Park Germany and later=20 dropped?=20=20 From lance@screamscape.com Fri Apr 25 12:29:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23474 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 19:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 19:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta12.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 19:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta12.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684D740AB4 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 X-Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm52.480fe684.3dc50 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:29:11 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIEjEHCB3/YQIAAAAB,6199b39a1fe0b2626d59accd28f98aa9 Message-ID: <8B8B443CA0D94A1BBF3DFFB14702D1F9@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:29:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=zov2oq5ChHXKDTKm5AY6sADNS2yr_04kurviiBEWMJBXYSvomWnrKdCqyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was actually to be themed to Stargate Atlantis, but apparently the park put the project on hold due to some delays with a prototype of the ride system said to be in China, and then after the project hit some technical problems they backed out of it entirely. I believe it was to have been installed in 2007 at Movie Park Germany, formerly known as WB MovieWorld Germany. A rough online translation of a German article about it had this to say... "It stands firmly also that the new attraction "star gate Atlantis" already announced will by the way be, a world premiere, a component of this range. Interesting by the way it is in this connection that with the new simulator a 3D-Projektion is actually used in a dome - eyeglasses with a special spiral polarization make it possible. The seats, which are equipped with special effects, are with "star gate Atlantis" on a platform, which can lean within the dome rotated and up to a certain angle. When opening date for this novelty indicates Stickel 1 June 2007, however it will probably already give in May a soft Opening. The film, which was turned specially for this simulator in the Originalstudios with the original actors, met with approval with producer MGM even as much the fact that based on it a double sequence of the series is turned and some the actor to the large opening to Bottrop will probably come. From the look of this artwork posted here,... http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.iaapa.org/industry/funworld/2007/feb/features/intLinchpin/images/circumotion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ameworld.net/forum/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D15671&h=259&w=450&sz=133&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=HnLxNI9tct4T9M:&tbnh=73&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522stargate%2Batlantis%2522%2B%252Bride%2B%252B%2522movie%2Bpark%2Bgermany%2522%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den it does seem to match up with the CircuMotion Theater here. http://www.rideentertainment.com/pdf/CustomTheaters.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: zucker0615 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Spring Survey Oh, I missed that one. My wife is a Stargate fanatic. Can you send me any information, or links to, about this already-defunct idea? I'd like to see what had been planned. Thanks, Jon Z --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > Does this new 3DBA product have any connection to the Stargate themed attraction that was announced for Movie Park Germany and later dropped? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Apr 25 15:18:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13288 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2008 22:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2008 22:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2008 22:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 22:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2008 22:18:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:18:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <344238.57856.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Mt. 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--YCalReminder=qeKLagiy1rEDFRaZEY1209189012-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 06:43:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34609 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2008 13:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2008 13:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2008 13:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 13:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 13:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 13:43:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:43:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Fair Declares 1st Quarter Cash Distribution X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iMET4Hcui1Q4xSLyfdZwvTZ3QzMo9pFAHLPRgwzP3lxNtVU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 24, 2008 PR Newswire - FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 04-24-2008/0004799647&EDATE=3D SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Fair Entertainment Company, a leader in regional amusement parks, water parks and active entertainment, today announced the declaration of a regular quarterly cash distribution of 48 cents per limited-partner unit, consistent with the company's increased annualized distribution rate of $1.92 per unit that was announced in March. The distribution, which is payable May 15, 2008, to holders of record May 5, 2008, represents the company's 84th consecutive quarterly cash distribution. The Company also noted that it plans to issue a news release and host a conference call with analysts on Tuesday, May 6th, 2008 to discuss 2008 first quarter earnings results. -------------- SOURCE Cedar Fair Entertainment Company Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 06:48:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68378 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2008 13:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2008 13:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2008 13:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 13:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 13:48:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:48:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Cedar Point to Host Red Cross Miniature Golf Event X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=c_3bNJVDBSkuo-JPP5g1H7UkTpEHAFUXOBlvvYVdTOCh86o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 15, 2008 PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 04-15-2008/0004793059&EDATE=3D SANDUSKY, OH -- On Wednesday, May 7, Cedar Point amusement park/resort (CP) will host the 17th annual American Red Cross Miniature Golf Challenge. Proceeds from this special event will benefit the Firelands Chapter of the American Red Cross. The tournament will take place at CP's Challenge Park and will be a 4-person, 36-hole scramble. Registration will begin at 4p.m. with a shotgun start at 4:30p.m. Teams of 4 can enter the challenge for $120 or individuals can enter for $30 each and will be placed on a team. Prizes will be awarded to the top 3 teams. Deadline for registration is Wednesday, April 30. Those who prefer to cheer on their favorite team instead of competing can gain complimentary admission to the event by purchasing 3 raffle tickets for $5. A raffle will be held for the chance to win a CP Getaway Package, valued at $800! The winner will receive an overnight stay on Saturday, June 7, in a Horizon Suite in Breakers Tower, which features a Jacuzzi and panoramic views of Lake Erie, along with 4 one-day admission tickets to CP. A special hole-in-1 contest will also be held. Businesses and individuals looking for a way to contribute to the fund-raiser can do so by sponsoring 1 or more of the holes at the event. For a $50 sponsorship fee per hole, the name of the business or individual will be featured on a special sign placed at the tee of their sponsored holes. Businesses can specify what hole they would like to sponsor, or one will be chosen for them. Sign-up sheets, hole sponsorship information and raffle tickets for the CP Getaway Package are available at the American Red Cross office at 300 Central Ave. in Sandusky. For more information about the fund-raiser, please call the Firelands Chapter of the American Red Cross at 419.626.1641 or toll-free at 1.800.589.2286. ------------- SOURCE Firelands Chapter of the American Red Cross Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 07:07:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58887 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2008 14:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2008 14:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2008 14:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 14:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 14:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 14:07:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:07:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Wildwater Kingdom Announces Season Pass Program X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=fQD4qsIp5XGQMDAf4sBofPFgGYxyoRoYDQ48i5jnttSM_6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 3, 2008 PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 04-03-2008/0004786139&EDATE=3D AURORA, OH -- Geauga Lake's Wildwater Kingdom waterpark (WK) has announced details of their aggressive new Season Pass program that will help people plan their summer getaways while saving money. A 2008 Season Pass to WK is only $44.95. In fact, a Season Pass pays for itself in just 2 visits and allows passholders to come and go as often as they would like during the season. A Junior Season Pass, for guests ages 3-61, under 48"-tall, or a Senior Pass, for guests age 62 and older, is only $34.95. Children age 2 and under are free. Free parking is included with every Season Pass purchase. Passholders who purchase their pass before May 1st will be eligible to receive a free commemorative beach towel (while supplies last). A 2008 Season Pass to WK also features great time-saving benefits. Not only do you get unlimited access to Ohio's premier waterpark, you also get to beat the crowds by getting into WK a full half-hour before the general public. Passholders can experience 2 of WK's most popular attractions, the 60'-tall Liquid Lightning tornado slide and the Splash Landing family activity center, exclusively for 30 minutes prior to the park's opening each day. Passholders also receive money-saving coupons good for admission, merchandise and food inside the waterpark. During the week, passholders can save 50% off the rental price of a private VIP Cabana. "A WK Season Pass is a great value," said Colleen Murphy, interim GM of WK. "We wanted to ensure that our passholders received maximum benefits and value for their dollar and we believe that they will really benefit from this new program." Season Passholders also have the exclusive opportunity to enroll their children (ages 3-10) in swim lessons where they can learn how to swim from the park's experienced lifeguard staff. WK also offers a Junior Lifeguard program for Season Passholders, ages 11-15. (A nominal fee is required for participation in the swim lessons and the Junior Lifeguard program.) WK will be open for 2 weekends, Saturday, Sunday & Monday, May 24-26 and Saturday & Sunday, May 31 and June 1 before beginning daily operations. WK will be open daily Saturday, June 7 thru Sunday, Aug. 24, and then will reopen for Labor Day weekend, Saturday thru Monday, Aug. 30 thru Sept. 1. Season Passes can be purchased online at http://www.wildwaterfun.com or by calling (330) 562-8303, ext. 7810. For more information, log on to http://www.wildwaterfun.com. -------------- SOURCE Wildwater Kingdom Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 17:29:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7459 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2008 00:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2008 00:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2008 00:29:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 713 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 00:29:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WX56TSwVM1n.SUeGK7A4SQkiN4cPCOBFlqZcVYt019f4LBuObM9Pd0nIFwaVT2TJMERb_nP53IWTLsx9KYnEkNS1LnKQatnxoeDPUc3MNkibEAo5vAOxMS5VCpk- X-Received: from [72.70.228.163] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:29:35 PDT Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:29:35 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <10031.95781.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: MISC: Mt. Park book X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=l6n-SwN8WfY7cY7IfeFS6GbQoY3AS2tu9nvEHQ2Hqs0630NHtgof X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm on page 82 of your book right now, Jay. Very nice. < Thanks, Chris! Arcadia has a standard template for their books, but within that form I really wanted to try to tell the story of what made the park special. There are so many other anecdotes I could have included. But I guess I'll have to save those for my website. :-) Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 19:31:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19796 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2008 02:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2008 02:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2008 02:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 02:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 02:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 02:31:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:31:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Today at the park... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=B7MU9Xj7znJz5KW3XH8iepL4qcGBnqHWt0MthtmFpO3T8Wi77g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I got clocked out early today, as Bull couldn't operate due to high=20 winds.=20 Dark Knight is starting to make real progress. I peeked in the building=20 from a couple angles, and it looks pretty nice in there.=20 The theming pieces were pre-built, and are being hoisted and placed=20 into the ride during the construction of the coaster itself. The two=20 pieces I could see (it's pretty dark in there with only one end of the=20 building open) actually look really well done. (Certainly not Disney=20 good, but maybe Universal good...) It's not done yet, but I think people may be pleasantly surprised with=20 how this turns out. Chris From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 09:05:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52873 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2008 16:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2008 16:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2008 16:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 16:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 16:05:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:05:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Six Flags Magic Mountain announces price break X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zB1M4amhKfppe-JUD5oZ9hNKtegz247wLixwRpzCcY-a0c0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 21, 2008 PR Newswire-FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 04-21-2008/0004796586&EDATE=3D VALENCIA, CA -- Six Flags Magic Mountain (6FMM) announced today an unprecedented price break for its online ticket purchases. Park guests purchasing tickets online pay only $26.99 for admission to the thrill park. No coupons, no vouchers, no visit restrictions ... just log onto sixflags.com, purchase and print your tickets for a day of ultimate fun! Additionally, beginning April 23, 6FMM is teaming up with Southern California Ralphs stores to offer a FREE child's ticket (ages 3-11) with every $26.99 adult ticket purchase. "We are excited to offer this amazing deal to people of all ages who are looking for the best in thrilling entertainment at a great value," stated Jay Thomas, Park President of 6FMM. "For families looking for ways to stretch their dollars during these tough economic times, this offer beats any other theme park pricing in Southern California -- hands down!" This special offer is available and must be used by May 26, 2008. ------------------ SOURCE Six Flags Magic Mountain Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 09:14:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14116 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2008 16:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2008 16:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2008 16:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 16:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 16:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 16:14:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:14:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Six Flags Announces Alliance with Kraft Foods X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iZLQC7b9LBhPePrNmOddub9ROMLGs9i5vkRwQt3cF7UwVGI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 8, 2008 PR Newswire-FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 04-08-2008/0004788637&EDATE=3D NEW YORK, NY -- Six Flags, Inc. (6F) announced today a multi-brand partnership with Kraft Foods Inc. highlighting selected brands including Nabisco 100 Calorie Packs, CornNuts and Lunchables Lunch Combinations. The companies will collaborate on co-branded marketing initiatives designed to increase attendance at 6F and drive product purchase for the Kraft brands. These programs will activate consumers through multiple platforms including in-park, on grocers' shelves and through traditional and digital media. The alliance will also provide Nabisco 100 Calorie Packs, CornNuts and Lunchables content and advertising integration across the 6F Media Networks, as well as product sampling and event sponsorships. "This partnership ushers in another highly recognizable brand into the 6F Media Networks, a proven media solution to reach consumers in the increasingly fragmented environment marketers operate in today," said David McKillips, VP of Corporate Alliance for 6F. Among the partnership initiatives: -- National on-pack promotion in grocery stores with Lunchables that will feature a free kid ticket offer -- Nabisco 100 Calorie Packs Oreo Thin Crisps will be a 6F Kids Meal featured dessert item, offering guests a "better-for-you" snack option -- CornNuts will be a presenting sponsor of the 2008 6F Festival Latino Events, which will run at 6 parks throughout the U.S. this summer "While the cross platform exposure will drive recall for Kraft products, these trusted consumer brands will broaden our menu of offerings and likely spur guest spending," added McKillips. ----------- SOURCE Six Flags, Inc. Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 10:28:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47018 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2008 17:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2008 17:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.102) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2008 17:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 17:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 17:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2008 17:28:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:28:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: PR: Six Flags Magic Mountain announces price break X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=qOq2J8Cze2Szt-itM2S8yotQyR5Gr-ADErQow-pbB_88kG6bMB9J X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > VALENCIA, CA -- Six Flags Magic Mountain (6FMM) announced today an > unprecedented price break for its online ticket purchases. Park guests > purchasing tickets online pay only $26.99 for admission to the thrill > park. No coupons, no vouchers, no visit restrictions ... just log onto > sixflags.com, purchase and print your tickets for a day of ultimate=20 fun! I found the press release on MySpace. It reads: "Six Flags would like to extend an apology and welcome back all the=20 rowdy teenagers, gangbangers and unattended kids that we have alienated=20 in the past 2 years. You see, we thought that by keeping you out we=20 could provide a better experience for families. But we soon realized=20 that we really don't have anything with a height requirement under 48=20 inches, so what's the point? In return for your renewed business, we'd=20 like to assure you that our line jumping policy will continue to be as=20 lazily enforced as it was in the past. In addition, we will will=20 continue to encourage vandalism and gang tagging of all our buildings=20 and structures. Also we will continue to keep our ride throughput as=20 slow as ever, giving you and your clique that precious extra time=20 needed to ensure that the rest of your group has a chance to find you=20 in line and join up with you in front of our less desirable customers.=20=20 Again, you are our bread and butter, and we apologize for our misguided=20 treatment of you. But if you think you're getting free parking out of=20 this, think again." From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 06:57:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75139 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 13:57:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:57:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: OT: Disney Pays You $10 to Upgrade to Blu-Ray Disc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6YoyYGs91fB-_8pvI4JgbLN6gUd8gil5JLPbRU6Prd5KAQs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 28, 2008 Blogcritics Magazine http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/04/28/070548.php by Chris Boylan BURBANK, CA -- No one likes to feel like they're being ripped off. And when the Beatles eponymous album with the white cover (aka the "White Album") was re-issued multiple times =97 LP, white LP, Special Edition white LP, limited pressing special edition white LP, CD, special edition CD, etc. =97 it became a running joke among audiophiles. As new formats arose - CD, SACD, DVD-Audio - we knew: we're gonna have to buy the White Album again. The same has been true for movies. I have owned Blade Runner now in 4 different formats: VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, and now Blu-ray Disc (I skipped the HD-DVD version). Well, Disney and Buena Vista feel our pain and are putting their money where their mouth is in the form of ten dollar cash rebates for those who buy the Blu-ray Disc version of a Disney or Buena Vista film they already own on DVD. If you want to take advantage of this offer you'll need to maul your DVD and Blu-ray Disc cases, cutting out the UPC codes from the back of the cases and mailing these in with the rebate form included in the Blu-ray package, but hey, as Geddy Lee said to Bob and Doug MacKenzie in Take Off, "Ten bucks is ten bucks, eh?" The promotion currently includes a select number of titles but this list has been expanded since January when it was first introduced. And it does help take the edge off when investing in a new format. Cheers to Disney and Buena Vista for helping to pave the path to a high definition future. I wish more studios would do the same. Current titles included in the ten dollar rebate promotion include: * Hidalgo * Coyote Ugly * Shall We Dance * Unbreakable * The Rookie * The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe * National Treasure * Cars * Con Air * Crimson Tide * The Rock From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 07:16:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24266 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2008 14:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2008 14:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 14:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:16:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:16:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hong Kong Disneyland launches classic attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=3A6yUDUwbTi0XPUpkCIiNFkvrUb-CzyZ_NKTSid4WToBEtE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 28, 2008 The Associated Press Yahoo! News Philippines http://beta.ph.news.yahoo.com/ap/20080428/tap-as-gen-hong-kong-disneyland-n= ew-attr-d3b07b8.html LANTAU ISLAND, HONG KONG, CHINA -- Hong Kong Disneyland has opened its classic boat ride "It's a Small World" in a bid to boost sluggish attendance at the theme park. The new attraction launched Monday amid lower-than-expected visitor numbers 2 years after the theme park opened in September 2005. The ride, which first appeared at the 1964 World Fair in New York, will feature 38 Disney characters and 241 moving and talking figures of children dressed in different national costumes. They now sing the theme song in 4 new languages - Cantonese, Putonghua Korean and Tagalog. Management has been under pressure to improve turnover at the US$3.5 billion (euro2.23 billion) park, which is majority owned by the Hong Kong government. Local legislators have criticized the park's business success, with one suggesting that Hong Kong pull out of the joint venture with The Walt Disney Co. The theme park was supposed to be a triumphant showcase of the Disney brand on the doorstep of mainland China. In its 1st year it attracted 5.2 million visiitors - 400,000 fewer than projected - and attendance slumped to about 4 million in the 2nd year. It faces increased competition from Ocean Park, a local marine-based adventure park. There have also been reports of a possible Disney theme park development in Shanghai. --------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Southeast Asia Pte Ltd. Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 28 07:18:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81500 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2008 14:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2008 14:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 14:18:04 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so5612092pyg.27 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:18:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.206.13 with SMTP id i13mr3262212rvq.211.1209392283871; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:18:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hong Kong Disneyland launches classic attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ZaswlpUb97lRpNSTtzcOTcqDQzFha4pgbRzRb06h_o6PDiensyPN7yU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Hong Kong Disneyland has opened its > classic boat ride "It's a Small World" in a bid to boost sluggish > attendance at the theme park. Does anyone really think that It's a Small World (of all things) is really going to bump attendance numbers? -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 07:33:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71111 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2008 14:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2008 14:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 14:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:33:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:33:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland Resort president discusses expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZHZTVrCblx3jHAfiCCbrOWV-QoFXRvXzHTwiMESRXgPQlGc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 23, 2008 The Orange County Register http://www.ocregister.com/articles/disney-grier-disneyland-2025017-hotel-pl= ans By Sonya Smith ANAHEIM, CA -- More rides, theme park land and hotel rooms are in the future for the Disneyland (DL) Resort in Anaheim, said DL Resort President Ed Grier Wednesday. Disney plans to add a Tinker Bell attraction at DL in October, 253 rooms to the Grand Californian Hotel and Spa and new rides and themed lands to Disney's California Adventure (DCA). At some point, Disney might add a 3rd theme park on 88 acres of land next to DL and possibly operate 2 hotels proposed for the Anaheim GardenWalk, Grier told a crowd of about 150 at an Orange County Forum event Wednesday. "We had great success with the 50th anniversary (of DL)," Grier said. "Now it's about how we keep that momentum going." Here are Disney's Anaheim expansion plans: A Tinker Bell attraction will open at DL in October. This was the first time Grier mentioned the attraction, and he was short on details. All he would say is that "we know how special she is to all our guests" and that she will be in DL in October. That timing coincides with the Oct. 28 Disney DVD and Blu-ray release of "Tinker Bell," the first in a new franchise of original movies that include the Peter Pan-movie character along with other fairies. DCA expansion plans were announced in October and are expected to be completed by 2012. Those $1.2 billion plans include: a land based on the "Cars" movie, a "Little Mermaid"-themed ride, a new 1920s plaza, an interactive "Toy Story Mania!" ride opening this summer and a "World of Color" show in the lagoon. Leaving the park is the Golden Gate Bridge structure, tall letters spelling out "California" and the Golden Dreams theater. Grier said the expansion is intended to bring more "memorable attractions" and "more Disney" to the theme park. The Grand Californian Hotel and Spa is adding 253 rooms, including its first timeshare-type villas on the West Coast. The capacity will increase by about 30% =96 up to 998 rooms =96 at the hotel that Grier said has "very strong occupancy rates." A 3rd theme park was hinted at by Grier on Wednesday. "We do see a tremendous opportunity on our 88 acres of land," Grier said. 2 GardenWalk hotels may be operated by Disney. Grier only told the crowd that Disney is continuing to look into operating 2 new hotels in the GardenWalk =96 a hotel, shopping and dining center between Katella Avenue and Disney Way that includes plans for up to 866 hotel rooms. --------------- Copyright 2008 Orange County Register Communications From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 07:57:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52160 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2008 14:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2008 14:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 14:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2008 14:57:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:57:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland's new monorail glass changes color in sunlight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=2mc7nh4bdqBEmIbGLVR0yknFEWY6RaONQzjvWoOCf2P3w3E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 04/23/08 The Fresno Bee http://www.fresnobee.com/384/story/547339.html ANAHEIM, CA -- Disneyland has updated its classic monorail train meandering through the amusement park, adding a better seating arrangement and glass that changes color in the sunlight. The new Monorail Red, or Mark VII, train debuts Friday. Monorail lead designer says Disneyland is "always looking for ways to update and refresh classic attractions." The first electric monorail cars have blue glass and red stripes that change color in the sunlight. The next 2 cars are blue with purple glass and orange with blue glass. Visitors will now have a better view from bench seats facing the windows. The Disneyland monorail started in 1959. ------------- Information from: The Orange County Register =A9 Copyright 2008 The Fresno Bee From lance@screamscape.com Mon Apr 28 10:12:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74460 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2008 17:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2008 17:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 17:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E41F3C56C4 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:11:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 X-Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm52.480fe684.96288 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:11:34 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIFgVGrrAn5AIAAAAB,538045f5a0d6473185867f9d52fae008 Message-ID: To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:11:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=F2xNFUGaZ8TXxs7gG46_NFz4OOgWkccujxTafTGP3HC9i57KXiryz1-ODw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just posted new artwork showing off the complete layout of USF's new Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit. It's far bigger than most were expecting and contains a number of other interesting elements. Looks to be perhaps the most unique ride from Maurer yet... http://www.screamscape.com/html/universal_studios_florida.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 13:47:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16383 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2008 20:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2008 20:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62206.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 20:47:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37165 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 20:47:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XHZLkmYVM1muUwjQheEVN.gYyuN5_xUTXxcv0Q8d X-Received: from [172.135.183.152] by web62206.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:47:27 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:47:27 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00e301c8a66c$a23043d0$070aa8c0@LewisMobile> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <587193.36424.qm@web62206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Two accused of rape on UK roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=oFLNn24iZbAOidylojPjJoEZzZYXov_-DsMG_xY_-0GM3b8JNhM X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Rape is probably too big a word to use for what might have happened to these girls. I can see someone being touched inappropriately in the que of a ride, but, to get raped in line for a rollercoaster would be next to impossible, without at least a dozen witnesses. And to have four girls claiming they were raped, makes it even more hard to believe. I'm curious to know where this rollercoaster was, at what park? How many people were in the park at the time, and most importantly, where the rape supposedly occurred. Some ques have hidden areas, the only thing I can think of is that these girls were taken to some secluded area and assulted...but, even then, it still seems hard to believe. Although, many years ago, two girls were raped at a haunted house in my hometown, while hundreds of people were going through the place. I guess they were grabbed by a couple of guys somehow got into the place without anyone seeing them. The girls somehow got seperated from their group, and these guys grabbed them, raped them, and walked away. The police said there was so much noice and screaming going on in the haunted house, that if they were screaming for help, nobody would have heard them. Or, if they did, they probably would have thought it was part of the attraction. I have been to that haunted house myself, and, when it was open back in the 1970's, there could be up to 2 or 3 thousand people there at one time. People usually went through in groups of ten or more, and the place had several locations that were outdoors, including a silo, and a graveyard. It was never said wear the girls were grabbed. But, my guess is they were grabbed somewhere in the house. As it was quite huge. 3 levels, and a basement area, with a long tunnel of monsters leading outside. It was a cool place. There was also an exotic animal exhibit there, and costumed guys walked around scaring people who were waiting in line. And, a kids exhibit. It was closed by the city of Grand Rapids, because they claimed it was a fire hazard, and was not up to code. When the reality was, the city wanted the land for expansion. The place went out of business back in the early 1980's. VoiceRodeo Gmail wrote: yes.. my thoughts exactly when I read it.... The only thing I can imagine is if it was SO busy.. that they were packed in like sardines..and had people on both sides "blocking" so no one could see... even still.. kinda hard to believe... Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Two accused of rape on UK roller coaster > The sex attacks on the four 13-y.o. girls are alleged to have taken place in the queue for and on the roller coaster on September 7 last year. < I'm confused. How could this have happened unless the park was completely empty? You mean no one else in the queue paid any attention to the attacks? 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--YCalReminder=qurSyrpYdRl5lRT2eJO1209448212-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 06:59:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64522 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 13:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2008 13:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.135) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 13:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 13:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 13:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 13:59:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:59:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 5 teens caught skating at N.H. Water Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=MCg1xcLn6jhse_g53c_imYxZnaV58H7ytCic0xlDJ8IgrBs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 28, 2008 The Associated Press The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2008/04/28/five_tee= ns_caught_at_nh_theme_park/ PORTSMOUTH, NH -=97 5 teenagers face various charges after an illegal skate party at Water Country theme park in Portsmouth, NH. Police say the friends hopped a fence at the vacant water park Sunday so they could skateboard. Someone at an adjacent mall spotted them and called police. Sgt. Mike Schwartz said the teens were charged with misdemeanor criminal trespassing. He said one teen also may be charged with drug possession. -------------- =A9 Copyright 2008 Associated Press =A9 2008 NY Times Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 07:05:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28818 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 14:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2008 14:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 14:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:05:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:05:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dolphin killed in mid-air collision at Discovery Cove X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=C0tsYx8LIsJknzmrAyy3_Bnpp8CsgImVimARYGoh27s7HrE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 29th April 2008 Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id= =3D562606&in_page_id=3D1811&ito=3D1490 ORLANDO, FL -- Their final joyful leap from the water had been a showstopper for years. But an acrobatic display at the Florida theme park ended in horror when 2 dolphins collided head on as they jumped towards each other. One was killed, although the other appeared unharmed. Spectators saw the stunt go wrong at the last show of the day at Discovery Cove in Orlando. Park officials say they are reviewing training practices. The accident happened as the dolphins, Sharky and Tyler, performed their routine trick. But as they burst out of the deep water into a victory leap, they rammed into each other, sending Sharky, a 30-y.o. bottlenose, tumbling back into the water. Her trainers, who were treading water nearby, led her back to shallow water and cradled her as she lay dying. "It was an unfortunate and random incident," said a park spokesman. "It's an atmosphere where the dolphins pretty much say what they want to do. The trainers don't ever force them. It is all through positive reinforcement." Discovery Cove promises visitors a 'close-up' dolphin encounter, including the chance to swim with the creatures. More than 30 of them are in captivity at the park. ------------ =A92008 Associated Newspapers Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 07:09:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29710 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 14:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2008 14:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 14:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:09:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:09:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Peak 10 renews contract with Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bjg0YEXwpu6KbTu7LHuXT_g3Ei3hH9KnS2hrh-p5g7NNA14 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 28, 2008 TechJournal South http://www.techjournalsouth.com/news/article.html?item_id=3D5241 CHARLOTTE, NC -- Cedar Fair Entertainment Co., owner of the Charlotte based Carowinds theme park, has renewed its service contract with data center Peak 10. Peak 10 will continue to provide infrastructure hosting and managed services from its data center in Charlotte for the company. Cedar Fair operates 11 amusement parks and 7 water parks around the country. Peak 10 is a data center services provider offering a full range of web hosting, security, storage, and business continuity solutions from several locations in the southeast. ------------------ Copyright 2008 - TechJournal South From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 07:21:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39177 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 14:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2008 14:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 14:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:21:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:21:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: AZ Rock-roll park back on agenda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QUu9D-XPZx1FnNKqWkvjkxnc2IQ8mBMtfvWNe2i1_UoryjM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 04.28.2008 Capitol Media Services The Arizona Daily Star http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/metro/236396.php By Howard Fischer PHOENIX, AZ -=97 Backers of a planned rock 'n' roll theme park in Eloy will try again today to persuade legislators to alter state laws to help the project. And they're willing to alter their request =97 a bit. The move comes after state representatives from both parties balked last week at a plan to let the developers establish their own special taxing district. Concerns raised ranged from questions of taxpayer liability if something goes wrong to a suggestion this kind of government-private arrangement amounted to "fascism." The measure, SB 1450, ultimately was pulled from consideration before an actual vote. Rep. Michele Reagan, R-Scottsdale, who is shepherding the measure through the House, said that will give her a chance to propose amendments she said would solve some, though not all, of the objections. But those amendments =97 suggested by a lobbying firm retained by the park's organizers =97 won't change the essential nature of the plan. Hanging in the balance is a proposal to build what has been dubbed the Decades Music Theme Park on 144 acres in Eloy. Aside from rides, like the Grand Funk Railroad and Little Deuce Coupe sports cars, the site would feature an amphi-theater, restaurants and retail outlets. The proponents, who don't have the cash for construction, want to borrow $750 million, which is where legislative help is needed. SB 1450 would make a 950-acre site in Eloy, including the park and surrounding now-vacant land, its own level of government. The district's board, including members of the Eloy City Council and private individuals appointed by the governor and legislative leaders, could issue tax-free bonds, which carry a lower level of interest. Repayment of the bonds would come from a sales tax of up to 10% on all activity in the 144-acre theme park, from admission fees to restaurant tabs. And the tax would also be levied on such other businesses as hotels that open outside the park but within the 950-acre district. That taxing power bothered Rep. Eddie Farnsworth, R-Gilbert. "Taxing authority is something that should never, ever be given to a private corporation," Farnsworth said, calling the move "a very dangerous precedent." Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Gilbert, was more blunt about his belief government should have nothing to do with this kind of venture, even if it is just to facilitate it. He said proponents should make their case for its financial viability to investors without state assistance. "I don't know what that is when you have the government planning the economy, if that's not fascism," he said. Rep. Pete Rios, D-Dudleyville, said foes of the project are ignoring some significant facts. "This tax will be paid primarily by tourists and visitors," he said, with no burden on area residents "unless they go to the park." And Rep. Jack Brown, D-St. Johns, said the area "needs some kind of economic development." But Rep. Steve Farley, D- Tucson, said if the state is interested in helping rural areas, there are far better ways to do it than building a theme park "that will create a whole lot of minimum-wage jobs." Instead, Farley said, "What better place in this state than Eloy to be able to create a solar-research institute that will be known the world over? Let's put our priorities in something like that." Other legislators questioned what happens if the theme park doesn't make enough money to pay off the bonds. Reagan said the measure already makes it clear that the state is not liable, but one of the amendments she will offer would require the bonds be insured. The legislation also requires park organizers to first raise $100 million from other sources before they can use any state-granted bonding authority. ---------- copyright =A9 1999-2008 AzStarNet, Arizona Daily Star From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 07:33:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16947 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 14:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2008 14:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 14:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 14:33:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:33:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Simpsons Ride opens at Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aSqeEiPPRWiZZbopFQjwnSlnxQijF2yrsm3WwsO1GjfIeIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 29, 2008 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-simpsonsride2908apr29,0,320985.= story?track=3Drss By Dewayne Bevil ORLANDO, FL -- We stand before the 2-story-high clown head. Krusty beckons us to enter the mouth, which doubles as the entrance to Krustyland, the fictional theme park that's the centerpiece of the Simpsons Ride, the just-opened $30 million attraction at Universal Studios Orlando (USO). Passengers walk over big Krusty's cushy tongue and past his uvula, which is a little distasteful, but then, sometimes so is The Simpsons, the long-running animated television series that is the basis of the new ride. Our mission is to test what cantankerous clown Krusty calls his All-New Thrilltacular Upsy-Downsy Spins-Aroundsy Teen-Operated Thrill Ride. The colorful exterior of Krustyland ("the Krusty-est place on Earth") hides the early stages of the winding line, which is peppered with screens that introduce elements of the fictional park. As we snake through, we learn the origins of Krustyland, which happen to be rooted in Back to the Future: The Ride, Universal's previous tenant in this spot. The crowd chuckles at the animated version of Doc Brown and the famed DeLorean from the movie. The comic bits are so engrossing that the line stands still even when visitors could be moving toward the actual ride. Oversized posters tout attractions within Krustyland -- The Sea Captain's Queasy Time Lagoon and Sideshow Mel and Mr. Teeny's Musical Revue. It's one of the most entertaining pre-shows in town. As with Back to the Future, the Simpsons Ride is arranged in 3 tiers, and the line goes up ramps to reach them -- but not before passing the height requirement (40") as demonstrated by Itchy and Scratchy, the poster cat and mouse of cartoon violence. The next stage -- considered the midway -- features a faux concession area with more on-screen characters in action. Apu sells goodies (fried sugar, $1), while Selma and Patty staff the lost-&-found booth. Posters for more Krustyland attractions have a ring familiar -- yet twisted -- to Central Florida theme-park goers: Haunted Condo ("closed for annual ghostbusting") and the Hall of Secretaries of the Interior ("wait time: 0:00 minutes"). Popcorn fumes rise from the corner. We're eventually greeted by Krusty, who teases that our wait is almost over -- just 45 minutes to go. He kids, he kids. We're in the home stretch. The Simpson family members, as the story goes, are to be the first ones on the park's new ride, and we've been picked to tag along. Scenes in this area may border on PG-13 territory: a drunken costumed character who briefly shows butt crack and a vengeful character who wants to kill us all ("even the baby!"). Groups of 8 are herded into individual Fun House rooms decorated with scenes from Krusty's life, including a shot with a Simpsonized version of creator Matt Groening. The film in this room is vital to understanding the story line that will unfold behind the next door, so pay attention. Finally, we are in the room with the ride vehicle. Guests enter 8-person cars, which elevate to face a giant screen (the car doors are quite DeLorean-like, Future lovers). USO officials say the attraction had an overhaul after Back to the Future went dark. "It's completely redone," said Mike West, USO's executive producer for the ride. "The car's totally changed, the mechanics underneath are completely redone. Moving vertically might be the same, but once you get up there, it's totally different." The look of the ride's film may jar the unsuspecting. The images are not enormous versions of the TV show. Instead, the process gives a more textured, computer-generated feel. That's not bad, just different. It's best not to dwell on it, because the ride finally is beginning. The motion simulator fools your eyes and stomach into believing you're riding through several out-of-control, theme-park experiences with one-liners flying. It rollicks, and although I knew we weren't literally going upside down, I gripped the safety bar, particularly during a corkscrew maneuver. Special effects assault your senses, including smell and touch. Was that baby powder? We're atop a condemned roller coaster, then bouncing through a kiddie ride (Bart and Lisa hate it) and Captain Dinosaur's Pirate Rip-off ("a ride so old it could be extinct"). You get spritzed during Krusty's Wet and Smoky Stunt Show (cue that whale). Don't forget that lives are at stake. Baby Maggie, believe it or not, plays a big role. And there's a surprise ending -- or 2? -- capping the 5-minute ride. To say it's fast-paced is an understatement. There's a lot to absorb in one sitting. Was that bartender Moe back there? Expect to make multiple rides and to wait in a long -- but entertaining -- line. The Simpsons Ride at Universal Studios Orlando is set to have a grand opening May 15-16. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 16:37:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49102 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 23:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2008 23:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 23:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 23:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 23:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2008 23:37:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:37:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Simpsons Ride opens at Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=6XNhD5_-7eoQTlrEbfR0avchCE4-wEjFYNs9_Y6gGF9ZUTHLCHx5 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > Our mission is to test what cantankerous clown Krusty calls his > All-New Thrilltacular Upsy-Downsy Spins-Aroundsy Teen-Operated Thrill > Ride. I LOVE the name! This ride sounds great, but I won't be hitting Orlando=20 on my trip that starts next week. Mike >=20 >=20 From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 07:16:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39770 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2008 14:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2008 14:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.146) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2008 14:16:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2008 14:16:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2008 14:16:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2008 14:16:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:16:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Simpsons Ride opens at Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=c0Lc_JKeQGPK32V5o-qTghk9MuB_RlfgpmKPDHLWh2U66MUYQCYh X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck It seems that even today, Universal still tops all in the theming=20 department. 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--YCalReminder=VIVlxoFuh3wLrEADBfMU1209621025-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 01 08:08:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90459 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:08:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:08:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Wonder World Amusement Park for Wii X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KUegVb6q3mOZm1zDeAUs5cvhCRd4oWE3spR_6S0XC0sfZJY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Apr 30, 2008 Games Radar http://www.gamesradar.com/wii/wonder-world-amusement-park/news/new-wonder-w= orld-shots-for-wii/a-2008043010521387021/g-20080314162842612038 By Chris Hicks EDISON, NJ -- Majesco has released a slew of new screenshots for Wonder World Amusement Park, a Wii game scheduled for release this summer. More a collection of theme park mini-games rather than a clone of Theme Park, Wonder World includes 30 different mini-games that mirror classic carnival rides. Going through the screenshots, we can identify a shooting gallery, coconut stall and an eating contest. We've obviously been visiting the wrong carnival rides if these are representative of some of the stuff you can find at them. Wonder World will include 4-player support that Majesco hopes will allow the whole family to play together. Whoopty do. ----------- Copyright 2008 Future US, Inc. Copyright 2008 Game Radar From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 01 08:14:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43742 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:14:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:14:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Pact reached over Kennywood's taxes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RmoYqURZpDe_qn1OEU8TNDT0u5l2_Fc5o2qKJ5lKeWXn00w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 01, 2008 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08122/877773-55.stm?cmpid=3Dlocalstate.xml WEST MIFFLIN, PA -- The parent company of Kennywood Park (KW) has agreed to pay $500,000 to West Mifflin to cover a dispute over the borough's amusement tax, ending a long-running feud between the 2 entities. In return, the borough will cap the tax at 50 cents per ticket, replacing the rate of 5% per ticket currently in place. The agreement was reached April 21 in the chambers of Allegheny County Judge Ronald Folino, who was handling a complaint KW filed against the borough in 2005 over the tax. Borough council President William Welsh and Peter McAneny, KW Entertainment's president, attended nearly 7 hours of negotiations. "We were both ecstatic that this is over," Welsh said. The $500,000 covers a portion of the taxes KW did not collect from patrons in 2006 & 2007. By reinstating the 50-cent rate, West Mifflin would be returning to its pre-2004 tax level. The fixed rate will bring the borough about $500,000-$600,000 per year, Welsh said. KW also has agreed to pay for an additional 2 years even if the state Legislature repeals all amusement taxes. Sen. Bob Regola, R-Hempfield, has proposed such a bill. --------------- Copyright =A91997 - 2008 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 01 08:20:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68218 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.132) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:20:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:20:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=76WfSLDpIKkmFU9RkQ1eI_W0vIuBShvHI6cQqCCTPksZGc8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 01, 2008 The Associated Press The Times http://nwitimes.com/articles/2008/05/01//business/business/doc18c2f7ba1b43b= c298625743b005b40ee.txt MONTICELLO, IN -- Indiana Beach's (IB) first new owners in more than 80 years are giving IB a face lift they hope will attract new visitors and surprise loyal fans. "We wanted people to see a 'wow' factor when they came in this year," said John Collins, the new GM at IB on Lake Shafer, about 25 miles north of Lafayette. Morgan RV Resorts bought IB, founded in 1926 by Earl Spackman, in February from Spackman's family for an undisclosed amount. Big changes are already under way, such as the construction of the park's 6th roller coaster -- the first to take riders upside-down. The Steel Hawg will debut this summer, Collins said. Morgan RV Resorts, based in Queensbury, N.Y., has also invested in a new coat of paint to put a fresh finish on IB, Collins said. The company has invested between $5-$6 million in improvements, said Janet Dold, executive director of the Greater Monticello Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Bureau. "Sometimes, communities don't like change -- especially rural communities," she said. "But as far as the chamber is concerned, we see (the sale) as a positive change for the community. The tradition they built in IB -- that tradition is going to go on and have new energy." IB -- with its long-standing advertising catch phrase "There's more than corn in Indiana" -- attracts an estimated 750,000 visitors annually. IB isn't the only Indiana attraction undergoing upgrades this year. Holiday World & Splashin' Safari is spending $6 million on improvements for 2008, including a monkey-themed water attraction called Kima Bay. Holiday World, which draws about 1 million visitors a year, is about 35 miles east of Evansville. The parks could see a lot of visitors this summer if fuel prices remain high and families search for close-to-home vacations. "With high gas prices, we're an affordable destination," Dold said. "We may see some people who haven't been here for a while checking us out." Both IB and Holiday World open Saturday. ----------- =A9 Copyright 2008, The Times From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu May 01 08:27:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30502 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:27:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30122 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 1 May 2008 15:27:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:27:00 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4zDqX8T4yokU4Y86OLV4TfIgz745y3LHhh7pyaUt5ktr5BT0 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon It's obvious that the author of that article hasn't actually seen these changes! They have installed ugly, beige siding over all the buildings: http://tinyurl.com/3jtdqm Cameron. Alan wrote: > May 01, 2008 > The Associated Press > The Times > http://nwitimes.com/articles/2008/05/01//business/business/doc18c2f7ba1b43bc298625743b005b40ee.txt > > > MONTICELLO, IN -- Indiana Beach's (IB) first new owners in more than > 80 years are giving IB a face lift they hope will attract new visitors > and surprise loyal fans. "We wanted people to see a 'wow' factor when > they came in this year," said John Collins, the new GM at IB on Lake > Shafer, about 25 miles north of Lafayette. > > Morgan RV Resorts bought IB, founded in 1926 by Earl Spackman, in > February from Spackman's family for an undisclosed amount. > > Big changes are already under way, such as the construction of the > park's 6th roller coaster -- the first to take riders upside-down. The > Steel Hawg will debut this summer, Collins said. > > Morgan RV Resorts, based in Queensbury, N.Y., has also invested in a > new coat of paint to put a fresh finish on IB, Collins said. > > The company has invested between $5-$6 million in improvements, said > Janet Dold, executive director of the Greater Monticello Chamber of > Commerce and Visitors Bureau. "Sometimes, communities don't like > change -- especially rural communities," she said. "But as far as the > chamber is concerned, we see (the sale) as a positive change for the > community. The tradition they built in IB -- that tradition is going > to go on and have new energy." > > IB -- with its long-standing advertising catch phrase "There's more > than corn in Indiana" -- attracts an estimated 750,000 visitors annually. > > IB isn't the only Indiana attraction undergoing upgrades this year. > Holiday World & Splashin' Safari is spending $6 million on > improvements for 2008, including a monkey-themed water attraction > called Kima Bay. Holiday World, which draws about 1 million visitors a > year, is about 35 miles east of Evansville. > > The parks could see a lot of visitors this summer if fuel prices > remain high and families search for close-to-home vacations. "With > high gas prices, we're an affordable destination," Dold said. "We may > see some people who haven't been here for a while checking us out." > > Both IB and Holiday World open Saturday. > ----------- > © Copyright 2008, The Times > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 01 08:29:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52416 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:29:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:29:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement parks, VIP-style X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FwERUoQSjXJT5OCFXcHhyhlABkYt7PUO-3_MCk-L5NZ_JzY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April. 30, 2008 Forbes Traveler MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24189805/ By Neal Ungerleider Thanks to new technology, and record-breaking ticket sales, amusement parks may be entering 21st century golden age. In March 2008, Six Flags (6F) announced plans for a new park in Dubai alongside Busch Entertainment's Busch Gardens/Sea World; in May, 2007, Universal announced plans for a movie-themed park in South Korea (SK), to open in 2012. Already, each year more than 17 million people visit Walt Disney World (WDW) in Orlando, FL, and 5-million people visit Seoul, SK's Lotte World. All over the world, especially outside North America, new amusement parks are coming online. In fact, according to hospitality industry scholar Robert Clymer, "on a percentage basis, Asian theme parks will grow faster than the U.S., followed by Europe and the Middle East." Regardless of whether they're located in the US or SK, or even Denmark, amusement parks promise entertainment and escape=97typically, for the whole family. But they've come a long way since their origins in 16th-century Europe. Modern amusement parks are high-tech experiences. The Kingda Ka roller coaster at New Jersey's 6F Great Adventure, for example, uses hydraulic launch technologies to reach speeds of 128 mph. And the Pooh's Hunny Hunt ride at Tokyo Disneyland runs without tracks; it uses a local positioning system that was patented especially for this ride. Unfortunately, with success come the crowds. At most of the world's top amusement parks, long waits for the most popular rides are inevitable. WDW is infamous for the twisting lines that lead to Space Mountain and the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. It routinely takes 1 hour to reach the Speedway racetrack at SK's Everland amusement park. It's one of the universals of amusement parks: Wherever there are fun rides, there will be a not-so-fun wait. For just this reason, many amusement parks now offer special access to visitors who demand a more exclusive experience. At Dolly Parton's Dollywood amusement park in Tennessee, the $103 "Gold SuperPass" allows guests unlimited access to rides for 1 year and a 20% discount on all in-park purchases. Singapore's Escape Theme Park and Wild Wild Wet offer a family package for $250 that includes unlimited visits to both parks and a free accommodation voucher for 2 adults and 2 children. 6F Magic Mountain, located outside of LA, even offers unlimited admission and the right to jump to the front of the line for just $125 a year. Other amusement parks give guests the opportunity to go behind the scenes. At Arizona's Out of Africa Wildlife Park, guests can arrange in advance for 3-hour private tours that include the chance to feed a white tiger. At Universal Studios Hollywood, V.I.P.'s get a peek at actual soundstages and the enormous prop warehouse for $200 per person. And then, famously, there's the 2-hour Around the World on a Segway tour at WDW's Epcot Center. What started as a playful novelty for Segway nerds became expectedly popular. Epcot now offers 4 Segway tours each day, with the morning excursion held before the gates are opened to the general public. And no, guests are not expected to have any prior Segway experience. For both amusement parks and guests, V.I.P. access is a win-win proposition. Guests can jump to the front of the line, experience parts of the park they normally wouldn't see and ride their favorite rollercoaster over and over again. Meanwhile, amusement parks get to win that most valuable of non-corporeal commercial properties: customer loyalty. After all, a guest who has year-long access to every rollercoaster, log flume and go-kart track in your park is less likely to travel to the other park 200 miles down the road. ---------------- =A9 2008 Microsoft From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu May 01 08:39:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14866 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c2b.2556381c (48600) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:40:35 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=NJFvktw12xKjh_LNLsUL1Jngj7zTbSPUT0EmfUHw6elhrpXZgA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the foreseeable future, and as of this writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause everyone to mostly visit their home parks or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long distances to do those big coaster trips that most of us have been used to doing? I for one have postponed my longer journey trips to see how gas prices go. I refuse to spend that much. I will go to my home parks more often, which include Kings Island and Cedar Point. I will make one trip to Indiana Beach, and perhaps one other such as Holiday World. Brian **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 01 08:42:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20038 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:42:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:42:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.245) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:42:14 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k29so514092rvb.2 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 08:42:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.156.19 with SMTP id i19mr896362rvo.57.1209656534319; Thu, 01 May 2008 08:42:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 08:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:42:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=hC6x93bjaPTNgitvVBpo_aXRS28hoay7j0qnGlL0a83nDGxCEXUnDWg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It's obvious that the author of that article hasn't actually seen these > changes! They have installed ugly, beige siding over all the buildings: > http://tinyurl.com/3jtdqm I think that looks fine - arguably better than what was there before. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 01 08:42:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83037 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:42:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:42:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Lessons learned in Wild West World's closing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=txVh9pIGE8i-h6hQCLIupb30XpaCyHCdkag4nlL5gXi8s88 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May. 01, 2008 The Wichita Eagle http://www.kansas.com/101/story/389913.html By Bill Wilson VALLEY CENTER, KS -- The tale of Thomas Etheredge, who gave up success at the Prairie Rose Chuckwagon Supper to build one of the quickest amusement park failures in industry history, contains a multitude of business lessons. The story of Wild West World (WWW) -- which opened about a year ago in Park City -- is equal parts Etheredge's substantial ego and a litany of business mistakes common to many entrepreneurs, according to a variety of people who were involved with WWW. Failure isn't unusual for an entrepreneur with a big dream, said Fran Jabara, founder of Wichita State University's Center for Entrepreneurship. "Most of them fail like he did," Jabara said. "The numbers vary, but in the first 5 years, about 80% of startups fail. The value in failing, frankly, is in understanding why." WWW closed July 9, 2 months after opening. WWW attorneys filed for bankruptcy the same day. Etheredge remains the target of federal & state investigations surrounding his financial dealings in the months preceding WWW's opening. Some observers suggest Etheredge's naivete about construction helped the park's budget spiral out of control. But Jennifer Nolte, WWW's first marketing director, traces WWW's demise to Etheredge's controlling personality. She recounts a day in spring 2006 when Etheredge told her he had resolved to never lose control of his life like he did in the late 1980s when he served prison time for securities violations. "The average person is going to consult experts in the field, and he certainly had them," she said. "His decisions were all ego-driven, not driven by sound business principles." Most observers agree: Etheredge had no business plan or budgets and relied on a hodgepodge of private investors and small Wichita banks anxious for a piece of the most publicized local development in years. "I don't think his goal in doing WWW was to rip people off," said Park City Administrator Jack Whitson, whose city owns the parking lot and bridge leading to WWW. "In the back of his mind, he was going to hit a home run with this thing one day, operate it for 4 or 5 years then sell it off and retire a success." What follows is a chronology of WWW's business failure, gathered from document searches and interviews with former employees, investors, bankers, attorneys and other observers over the past year. Etheredge, who is working as a manager at an alpaca ranch near San Antonio, did not return calls seeking comment. Spring 2006 The dream was alive and well until about a year before WWW's May 5, 2007, opening, according to accounts. Sometime in early April 2006, Ryan Cole and Nolte joined Etheredge's marketing staff from Nye & Associates, a Wichita marketing firm. "At that point Thomas was very open, sharing financial information and what a consulting service out of California was telling him on costs, budgets," Cole said. "He talked about a $1.2 million marketing budget and at Nye, we were very interested in a piece of that." Etheredge recruited Cole and Nolte to join his marketing staff a month later. There were storm clouds, though: Etheredge was already dismissing the counsel of theme park veterans on his staff. Staff meetings, Cole said, were Etheredge "lectures." "Ron and Bo Berni (WWW managers) had been in the theme park business since they were able to speak," Cole said. "Didn't matter to Thomas." Meanwhile, Etheredge was approaching small Wichita bank branches for loans, trumpeting a $30 million appraisal for WWW. WWW investors say Etheredge actually borrowed around $20 million to build WWW. According to bankruptcy court documents Tuesday, 581 claims had been filed against the bankruptcy estate totaling $23.2 million. There was an anomaly in that bank financing, according to several sources: No bank took the traditional lead disbursement role, working with Etheredge to examine individual project disbursements. Those checks and balances are critical in a startup business, Jabara said, giving an entrepreneur a sounding board as the project develops. August-October 2006 The construction bills began rolling in during the summer, forcing Etheredge to find ways to increase cash flow. "Thomas was always in the office asking how it was going, and I went through 5 corporate salespeople," Cole said. "No one could perform to his expectations." Whitson said Etheredge was an easy mark for contractors because of his lack of construction management knowledge. Whitson said one contractor -- whom he declined to identify but described as a "critical part" of building WWW's infrastructure -- demanded an extra $500,000 from Etheredge to finish the job. "He told me, 'They're screwing me, but I have no choice but to settle with them because I don't want it out in the press I'm cheating people,' " Whitson recalled Etheredge telling him. Losing control of building costs is a common and often fatal flaw with startup entrepreneurs, Jabara said. "It's critically important to define the job your contractors are doing to get the price you expect," he said. At the same time, Etheredge turned down a group of unnamed Wichita investors who wanted to buy into WWW, sources said. Accounts differ about the percentage -- from 10-40% -- but the offer was refused. October 2006-February 2007 The financial noose tightened and rumors of WWW's insolvency began to surface. Etheredge began in November 2006 to contact private investors, seeking anywhere from $50,000-$1 million. For many, there was no documentation of WWW's financial problems, just a promise of a "great investment." In December, bankruptcy documents show, Etheredge began transferring the first of $410,000 from Restoration Farms -- parent company of the successful Prairie Rose Chuckwagon Supper -- to the WWW. Those transfers concluded in January, when Whitson said Etheredge reportedly began trying to sell WWW. The cash flow problems bottomed out in February 2007, when Etheredge had to borrow $25,000 from Holger Wrede, a New York collector of Hopalong Cassidy memorabilia, to make payroll, according to bankruptcy court documents. It's a sign that Etheredge plowed every available cent into completing WWW and in the process violated a basic business startup rule: Keep significant cash back for a rainy day, Jabara said. March-July 2007 Despite the financial problems, there were no outward signs that WWW was in trouble, said Summit Church pastor Terry Fox, who had an office at WWW until April. Fox invested $50,000 personally in WWW, and his church paid Etheredge $400,000 for land on WWW grounds. "We'd heard that he needed investors, that cash flow was tight," Fox said. "But up until the day of (closing), the throttle was wide open and the confidence was high." Wayne Fuller, who replaced Cole on the marketing staff in June, said he was immediately struck by WWW's lack of a business plan. "There was not a budget that was ever implemented for any aspect of WWW," Fuller said. "There was no control of expenditures by anybody." Company credit cards and cell phones were unregulated and everywhere, he said. Nonetheless, Fuller agrees with the majority of those involved in WWW: Etheredge is a bad businessman, but he isn't a crook. "If he was smart enough to intentionally defraud anyone, he would have been smart enough to not lose everything but the shirt off his back," he said. But not smart enough to stick with the profitable Prairie Rose, from which Etheredge cleared between $1.5-$2 million annually, according to documents in the Prairie Rose's bankruptcy, which was filed Aug. 9. That's the tragedy of Etheredge's story, Fox said. "For most of us, then why not stop at the Prairie Rose and make it grow?" Fox said. "But he couldn't. It wasn't in his DNA." -------------- Copyright 2008 The Wichita Eagle & Kansas.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 01 08:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65534 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:43:06 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so1102335pye.8 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 08:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.170.12 with SMTP id s12mr892835rve.101.1209656585893; Thu, 01 May 2008 08:43:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 08:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:43:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=OxbjYPPP-tjJDcUB-zD6wWhrHZRVNMrAPL9ioOVsxhXf09lNF13-av8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Rising gas prices will not affect my travel plans in the least. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 01 08:46:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86046 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.103) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 15:46:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:46:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=oGiyV75Ax2FRoDCbkIwNuHgqDLDfRsayqo6MDdzlbnxTXzo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I'm with Nate on this one, it's not going to effect any of my trips. Of course I'm not really going anywhere! -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the=20=20 > foreseeable future, and as of this > writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause everyone to=20=20 > mostly visit their home parks > or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long distances to do=20=20 > those big coaster trips > that most of us have been used to doing? >=20=20 > Brian From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu May 01 08:54:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9264 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 15:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 15:54:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18072 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 15:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 1 May 2008 15:54:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4819E792.1020706@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:53:54 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=htpruOKke_Dp58unpAsQv-oJ-nWKcJGLtoGQeSWrGh5N4IFy X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for > the foreseeable future, and as of this writing they are well > above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause everyone to mostly visit > their home parks Nope .. Considering the sorry state of my home park, I relish the thought of getting out and having fun elsewhere! I have several road-trips planned, and am very much looking forward to all of them. Cameron. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu May 01 09:03:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63889 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c63.2f2f7edd (37258) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:03:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA078-918a4819e9d43bb; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:03:32 -0400 Message-ID: <4819E9D5.9030306@aol.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:03:33 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=euklyQcWIGDPUIscRtuaC3l_9gLoviRkEFckad474eC4Lln_Ew X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> It's obvious that the author of that article hasn't actually seen these >> changes! They have installed ugly, beige siding over all the buildings: >> http://tinyurl.com/3jtdqm >> > > I think that looks fine - arguably better than what was there before. > > -Nate > I think it looks pretty nice too. A good updated look. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Vader '08 Embrace the Dark Side! McCarthy was RIGHT! From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu May 01 09:06:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60856 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bfa.13318c3c (37218) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:06:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA061-91624819ea87399; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:06:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4819EA88.3070605@aol.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:06:32 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=3O120rZqxva1_E2iAK9qyrfQwk1_ENeNelioezDX7KSgBqGpzw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the > foreseeable future, and as of this > writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause everyone to > mostly visit their home parks > or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long distances to do > those big coaster trips > that most of us have been used to doing? I for one have postponed my longer > journey trips to see > how gas prices go. I refuse to spend that much. I will go to my home parks > more often, which include > Kings Island and Cedar Point. I will make one trip to Indiana Beach, and > perhaps one other such as > Holiday World. > > Brian > No effect here. We will still be visiting Cedar Point in June and making the trip back to Dollywood in September. This question seems to come up every year, and when it really comes down to it, when you are making a long trip the increased price is really a non-issue. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Vader '08 Embrace the Dark Side! McCarthy was RIGHT! From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu May 01 09:17:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5072 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:17:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31624 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 1 May 2008 16:17:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4819ED24.6080000@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:17:40 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> <4819E9D5.9030306@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4819E9D5.9030306@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=sGUHfHRuuRpRPu4SjOEqqPLJQUtrGdJsHe-DBRR69ZHCWldv X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Nathan Brown wrote: > Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >>> It's obvious that the author of that article hasn't actually seen these >>> changes! They have installed ugly, beige siding over all the buildings: >>> http://tinyurl.com/3jtdqm >>> >> I think that looks fine - arguably better than what was there before. > > I think it looks pretty nice too. A good updated look. ?? It looks generic and bland. Cameron. From lance@screamscape.com Thu May 01 09:21:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11292 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta18.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F86410A1 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.4819c30b.de5a for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:21:22 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIGe4CgMJOYwIAAAAB,c79860be89a9427a3597ff2afce01ba2 Message-ID: <90C0FBB8261D42748DCAF7B20725120A@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:21:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=rYRve54Vr-4YcJYut2HOpr-UPq98WDertRoLSUnLmdkzA2ACJGyAcYU1Jg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While it's not colorful, I wouldn't say that the new siding looking ulgy in= any way. The only fault I see is that instead of a bright colorful place of amusemen= t, they used a color that seems faily common with houses.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cameron Silver=20 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Bea= ch a makeover It's obvious that the author of that article hasn't actually seen these=20 changes! They have installed ugly, beige siding over all the buildings: http://tinyurl.com/3jtdqm Cameron. Alan wrote: > May 01, 2008 > The Associated Press > The Times > http://nwitimes.com/articles/2008/05/01//business/business/doc18c2f7ba1= b43bc298625743b005b40ee.txt >=20 >=20 > MONTICELLO, IN -- Indiana Beach's (IB) first new owners in more than > 80 years are giving IB a face lift they hope will attract new visitors > and surprise loyal fans. "We wanted people to see a 'wow' factor when > they came in this year," said John Collins, the new GM at IB on Lake > Shafer, about 25 miles north of Lafayette. >=20 > Morgan RV Resorts bought IB, founded in 1926 by Earl Spackman, in > February from Spackman's family for an undisclosed amount. >=20 > Big changes are already under way, such as the construction of the > park's 6th roller coaster -- the first to take riders upside-down. The > Steel Hawg will debut this summer, Collins said. >=20 > Morgan RV Resorts, based in Queensbury, N.Y., has also invested in a > new coat of paint to put a fresh finish on IB, Collins said. >=20 > The company has invested between $5-$6 million in improvements, said > Janet Dold, executive director of the Greater Monticello Chamber of > Commerce and Visitors Bureau. "Sometimes, communities don't like > change -- especially rural communities," she said. "But as far as the > chamber is concerned, we see (the sale) as a positive change for the > community. The tradition they built in IB -- that tradition is going > to go on and have new energy." >=20 > IB -- with its long-standing advertising catch phrase "There's more > than corn in Indiana" -- attracts an estimated 750,000 visitors annuall= y. >=20 > IB isn't the only Indiana attraction undergoing upgrades this year. > Holiday World & Splashin' Safari is spending $6 million on > improvements for 2008, including a monkey-themed water attraction > called Kima Bay. Holiday World, which draws about 1 million visitors a > year, is about 35 miles east of Evansville. >=20 > The parks could see a lot of visitors this summer if fuel prices > remain high and families search for close-to-home vacations. "With > high gas prices, we're an affordable destination," Dold said. "We may > see some people who haven't been here for a while checking us out." >=20 > Both IB and Holiday World open Saturday. > ----------- > =A9 Copyright 2008, The Times >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoas= terTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. >=20 > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word a= bout Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu May 01 09:22:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80704 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta18.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from dm0202.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D973F4117B for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm0202 X-Received: by dm0202.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm0202.4819ccd4.3e0e for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:21:16 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIGe38ES4dbwIAAAAB,5fdb4e7a96a2f495d96e6067187f9555 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:22:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=OYb1uoJDOiKvmP_w8vgiunHHYRo2dpt50CVvM0ttdYkNdjWKdELMaywYFg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Money crunches in general will likely keep me closed to home as well this year... I'm not planning any big epic long drives this summer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Briguy7568@aol.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the foreseeable future, and as of this writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause everyone to mostly visit their home parks or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long distances to do those big coaster trips that most of us have been used to doing? I for one have postponed my longer journey trips to see how gas prices go. I refuse to spend that much. I will go to my home parks more often, which include Kings Island and Cedar Point. I will make one trip to Indiana Beach, and perhaps one other such as Holiday World. Brian **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 01 09:29:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82264 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.228) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:29:27 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so519294rvb.23 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 09:29:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.139.3 with SMTP id m3mr903732rvd.244.1209659367356; Thu, 01 May 2008 09:29:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:29:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <90C0FBB8261D42748DCAF7B20725120A@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> <90C0FBB8261D42748DCAF7B20725120A@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=VURmFIJwHwJr5bBiVPGRV_cT3IvnEh05ZcO4Hab4aoj9gfyqO6rLyOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > While it's not colorful, I wouldn't say that the new siding looking ulgy in any way. > The only fault I see is that instead of a bright colorful place of amusement, they > used a color that seems faily common with houses. Indiana Beach has always been bland and colorless. Beige is actually a change from the "everything painted white" look they had before. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 01 09:29:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78235 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:29:56 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-101-159-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.159.225] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JrbfN-0004xu-Fd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:29:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4819EF20.8030103@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:26:08 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825c03fe7276c88f5b1f033c99347f0aff34c6c0de99908eb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=G0UpNJF1uPW831WtDjxoNf1clMNqOZS8CQNR-DQCjwHqjLk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > It's obvious that the author of that article hasn't actually seen these > > changes! They have installed ugly, beige siding over all the buildings: > > http://tinyurl.com/3jtdqm > > I think that looks fine - arguably better than what was there before. > The only problem I had with IB when we visited was to much white. There was very little color around. Yes, that's nitpicky, but after seeing Santa Cruz's Beach Boardwalk, which is so much more vibrant, IB almost seemed a bit stale in the look. I'm not sure that the beige is the final color there though. I've seen that kind of siding have a primer color, and it's possible that beige is primer and not final. Then again, that could be it. I do know they painted some of the kiddie rides some bright color, and while some are aghast I thought it looked much better. Same with the water slides. But the telling point will be after the open and we get pictures of the final product. And we find out whether all the staff layoffs and other changes were for the better or worse. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 01 09:33:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78856 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-101-159-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.159.225] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JrbjA-0005E1-KO for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:33:48 -0400 Message-ID: <4819F00C.10005@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:30:04 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> <4819E9D5.9030306@aol.com> <4819ED24.6080000@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <4819ED24.6080000@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825c03fe7276c88f5cd79cb95ccd2652bb43f678ea70e0153350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4xfaOki-BHGPmsNCclt0C_ppUHcLUbyx_CiJXy8Hhkv7SrI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > ?? It looks generic and bland. > yeah, but Cam, the whole park used to look generic and bland- it was almost all plain white. yeah yeah, I know, that's part of what gave it character. :) keep on ridin' George From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu May 01 09:40:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81143 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.245) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so251301anc.0 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.33.19 with SMTP id g19mr3221318ang.123.1209660037764; Thu, 01 May 2008 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.93.14 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30805010940n5560c4d0o906e52e4574e4bd1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:40:37 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=BzxWYzgWUvEYYgUNfZxLZ8l_i-oFnEHs8SwfJiXEuT57MfMC X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Work is messing up my travel plans far more than fuel prices. Plus, I'm running diesel... $3.50 a gallon was a fleeting thought 4 months ago, I've been paying over $4 for a couple months now. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:40 AM, wrote: > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the > foreseeable future, and as of this > writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause everyone to > mostly visit their home parks > or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long distances to do > those big coaster trips > that most of us have been used to doing? I for one have postponed my longer > journey trips to see > how gas prices go. I refuse to spend that much. I will go to my home parks > more often, which include > Kings Island and Cedar Point. I will make one trip to Indiana Beach, and > perhaps one other such as > Holiday World. > > Brian > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu May 01 09:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78624 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c35.3209a1ef (37522) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:41:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA087-92924819f2c81f6; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:41:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4819F2C9.4010000@aol.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:41:45 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> <90C0FBB8261D42748DCAF7B20725120A@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <90C0FBB8261D42748DCAF7B20725120A@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=WT6fwoXClmUTCWTSnSNtjha2wHLYSv4r0MrMuzAI0790P9ZD0w X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Lance wrote: > While it's not colorful, I wouldn't say that the new siding looking ulgy in any way. > The only fault I see is that instead of a bright colorful place of amusement, they used a color that seems faily common with houses. > > Agreed. I think they were just going for a clean look. A little more color would have been nice. I don't know what their other resorts look like, so maybe they are trying to match this with their other properties. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Vader '08 Embrace the Dark Side! McCarthy was RIGHT! From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu May 01 09:46:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57131 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 16:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 16:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 16:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d18.284e6b0e (37230) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA067-916e4819f3c6236; Thu, 01 May 2008 12:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4819F3C6.3090303@aol.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:45:58 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <74b0c9f30805010940n5560c4d0o906e52e4574e4bd1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30805010940n5560c4d0o906e52e4574e4bd1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=aMQWZhdCzSXgjLMbEQJv89hpVLUHLJWw57Wz__qKk6nHNBaEQw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Beth Aslakson wrote: > Work is messing up my travel plans far more than fuel prices. Plus, > I'm running diesel... $3.50 a gallon was a fleeting thought 4 months > ago, I've been paying over $4 for a couple months now. > > I've seen diesel as high as 4.75! I have been constantly been paying in the 4.20 to 4.30 range though. At that, it still costs me (or, I should say the company) 120 a night to run the truck. I would not want to get their fuel bill each month. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Vader '08 Embrace the Dark Side! McCarthy was RIGHT! From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu May 01 10:05:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47772 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 17:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 17:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 17:05:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14977 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 17:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 1 May 2008 17:05:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4819F858.4010705@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:05:28 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> <4819E9D5.9030306@aol.com> <4819ED24.6080000@buzzneon.com> <4819F00C.10005@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4819F00C.10005@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=1OIM8hmPiOgg_CJeuYeVScgHFJSEqNTP18reVIbwIFRNZIgH X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon The park never looked generic, or bland before because of the lake; and those buildings actually had character too them. Now they look like a Home Depot kit that someone installed in their yard. Cameron. george burnash wrote: > Cameron Silver wrote: > >> ?? It looks generic and bland. >> > > yeah, but Cam, the whole park used to look generic and bland- it was > almost all plain white. > > yeah yeah, I know, that's part of what gave it character. :) > > keep on ridin' > George > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 01 10:14:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8895 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 17:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 17:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 17:14:25 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c57so694131wra.4 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 10:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.162.5 with SMTP id p5mr928767rvo.221.1209662064640; Thu, 01 May 2008 10:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:14:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4819F858.4010705@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4819E144.2060507@buzzneon.com> <4819E9D5.9030306@aol.com> <4819ED24.6080000@buzzneon.com> <4819F00C.10005@earthlink.net> <4819F858.4010705@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Fr0agbXtAuILdZjZmY-NgXG4WAiNFSzXZtQgaKHzmdhqMLIa2ED1Apc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The park never looked generic, or bland before because of the lake; and > those buildings actually had character too them. Now they look like a > Home Depot kit that someone installed in their yard. To each his own, I guess. I don't personally see how replacing an all-white fascade with a beige one somehow ruins the atmosphere/character, but that's me. -Nate From paul.beesley@mac.com Thu May 01 10:28:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: paul.beesley@mac.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76240 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 17:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 17:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.75) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 17:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp006-s [10.150.69.69]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout012/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m41HSHRO015993 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.107] (cpc2-runc3-0-0-cust721.bagu.cable.ntl.com [86.4.90.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp006/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m41HS6FK001967 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3C75A913-3783-41FB-9B09-D61DC6501744@mac.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4819EA88.3070605@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:28:51 +0100 References: <4819EA88.3070605@aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 17.148.16.75 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Paul Beesley Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=329007503; y=w4X04dTa_u8KDK7m84ibpHWitqk5aXSoexVG7XfiEU-bm26Hhg X-Yahoo-Profile: ridemadcom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys on the subject of gas prices, here in the UK we are getting=20=20 hammered at the moment, it just keeps going up. Standard gas (unleaded) =A31.10 per litre about $2.20 I drive a diesel car and thats =A3121.9 per litre. Id love $3.50 for a gallon but working on the above prices were paying=20=20 over $10 per gallon. When i bought my car a ford focus new 4 yrs ago it cost me =A332 per=20=20 full tank this is now over =A360 (120 dollars) Im lucky in that it wont affect my plans for visiting parks this year=20=20 but it must be hurting the casual park visitor and families etc.. Just done some quick maths and a family of 4 driving 60+ miles to a=20=20 park plus tickets and a cheap park meal is going to cost well over=20=20 $300 its allot of money. When i was over in Florida in Feb I was paying =A330 to fill up my dodge = =20 charger tank - Bliss ;-) cheers Paul On 1 May 2008, at 17:06, Nathan Brown wrote: > Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the > > foreseeable future, and as of this > > writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause=20=20 > everyone to > > mostly visit their home parks > > or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long=20=20 > distances to do > > those big coaster trips > > that most of us have been used to doing? I for one have postponed=20=20 > my longer > > journey trips to see > > how gas prices go. I refuse to spend that much. I will go to my=20=20 > home parks > > more often, which include > > Kings Island and Cedar Point. I will make one trip to Indiana=20=20 > Beach, and > > perhaps one other such as > > Holiday World. > > > > Brian > > > > No effect here. We will still be visiting Cedar Point in June and > making the trip back to Dollywood in September. > > This question seems to come up every year, and when it really comes=20=20 > down > to it, when you are making a long trip the increased price is really a > non-issue. > > --=20 > Nathan Brown > > AKA Cyclonic > Penncoasters.com > > The Insensitivity rolls on... > > Vader '08 > Embrace the Dark Side! > > McCarthy was RIGHT! > > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu May 01 16:51:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67329 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 23:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2008 23:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2008 23:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 23:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 23:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2008 23:51:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 23:51:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=JApaTUj7auKVSqdJgxU1ipFrXomQPgF3sQcCa9amoQOjGvYxk7vu X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the=20=20 > foreseeable future IF???????????? I'll take my one big trip starting next week. Even SFGAdv, my home=20 park, is 130 miles round trip, so I may only make about 4 visits. I=20 honestly worry more about mileage than I do gas, since I have a low- mileage lease. Not much else, if anything.=20 Mike From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 02 06:52:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83234 invoked from network); 2 May 2008 13:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2008 13:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2008 13:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 13:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 13:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 13:51:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:51:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Thieves take Zoomers' roller coaster tracks for a ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=MgQ9UfKdYV4zvMDW52PYmUg5b_6dUCqLsC-KQBx9izzCa9I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 2, 2008 News-Press.com http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080502/NEWS0117/80= 5020379 By Rachel Myers and Dick Hogan FORT MYERS BEACH, FL -- Most thrill-seekers ride on a roller coaster. But on Wednesday, 2 men took the roller coaster itself for a ride. Jason Duby, 33, and Randy Squire, 29, both of Lehigh Acres, are accused of stealing $10,000 worth of roller coaster tracks from Zoomers Amusement Park in south Fort Myers, the Lee County sheriff's office reports. According to Lee County Sheriff's deputy William Troutt, the 2 were spotted by property owner Tim Miles, who said he was checking on the defunct park after a series of break-ins. As Miles pulled into the parking lot, he saw a white Ford truck pulling a trailer loaded with steel from the tracks. He followed the pair in his vehicle and called 911. Deputies responded and stopped the truck, arresting Duby and Squire. Duby's wife, April, said the 2 intended to scrap the metal tracks for profit. She said the tracks were lying by the curb, and appeared to be trash. She said her husband and Squires often go scrap-metal hunting in their spare time but had never before gone to Zoomers. "It was all a big misunderstanding," April Duby said. "It was out by the trash, and they were going to recycle it. It was all busted up and rusted. They didn't try to hide anything, and they were ready to do whatever they had to do to return it." Brown Thompson, spokesman for Allied Recycling in Fort Myers, said the price of steel is 11 cents per pound. "People stealing scrap metal is always an issue," Thompson said. "Usually, it's copper, stainless, brass and aluminum because they're lighter and worth more. But with steel prices rising, we might be seeing more of these." Miles, who did not return a call seeking comment, told Troutt after the arrest, he went back to Zoomers and found all the coaster tracks had been taken from the parking lot, including tracks that had not been recovered. Both suspects bailed out of the Lee County Jail on $1,500 bond Thursday, each facing a charge of larceny theft between $10,000 and $20,000. Neither has a prior record. As for Zoomers, a variety of legal and financial woes, including 2 bankruptcy reorganization petitions, have beset it in the 6 years since plans were first announced for the Summerlin Road park. First, it was hurricanes Charley and Wilma that stalled the project. Then, over the past 2 years, owner Zoomers Holding Co. has tried unsuccessfully to get financing to complete the amusement park. It still faces a slew of liens and lawsuits by contractors and lenders in addition to the bank, and has been stalled since last year at 99% completion at its location on Summerlin Road near Pine Ridge Road. The $13.4 million park is scheduled to be sold at a foreclosure auction at 11 a.m. June 5 in the Lee County Courthouse. A $10.7 million construction loan by the Immokalee-based Florida Community Bank has not been paid. ------------- Copyright =A92007 ... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 02 06:57:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72116 invoked from network); 2 May 2008 13:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2008 13:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2008 13:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 13:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 13:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 13:57:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:57:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Public bids for 1st ride on new Erie roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0dm4Ie9BqA4RS8rZtlQTEBjit7F2NgKnDsVOUIY7qseMsRs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 April 29, 2008 The Associated Press Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08120/877501-100.stm?cmpid=3Dlatest.xml ERIE, Pa. -- The bids are coming in from roller coaster enthusiasts vying for 24 seats on the debut ride of Erie County's newest roller coaster. The Ravine Flyer II will open for business May 17 at Waldameer Park & Water World. So far, people have submitted Internet bids ranging from $80-$500 for the coaster's first 90-second thrill ride. The bids will benefit the Northwestern Pennsylvania Chapter of the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation International. The park will also sell $4.50 ride tickets during the coaster's debut weekend. All but $1 of each ticket will also go to the charity. The original Ravine Flyer was torn down after a rider fell off and was killed more than 60 years ago. -------------- Copyright 2008 Associated Press Copyright =A91997 - 2008 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri May 02 13:32:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40592 invoked from network); 2 May 2008 20:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2008 20:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2008 20:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 20:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 20:32:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:32:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=aFaQRq_vYA2s7tuNr8cgAkF9pn9Mp6xgwjvNU87z0iqb3qzFQg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Sorry, dude, but gas prices aren't going anywhere but up. Within a=20 few days, I expect to start paying over $4 a gallon for premium in my=20 car. (It's at $3.99 9/10 as of this morning.) By Memorial Day,=20 regular grade in many metro areas will break the $4 line.=20 This is actually in keeping with the prices most of Europe and many=20 Asian countries have been paying for years. With the weak dollar,=20 recession, and likely burgeoning inflation rates, I fully expect to=20 be paying $5/gallon by next year.=20 So... When I go on my trips this year, I'm leaving my car at home and=20 renting a subcompact. My next car will also not be a sports car with=20 a V-6. Those Prius' don't look so ugly any more! Chris=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the=20=20 > foreseeable future, and as of this > writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause=20 everyone to=20=20 > mostly visit their home parks > or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long distances=20 to do=20=20 > those big coaster trips > that most of us have been used to doing? I for one have postponed=20 my longer=20=20 > journey trips to see > how gas prices go. I refuse to spend that much. I will go to my=20 home parks=20=20 > more often, which include > Kings Island and Cedar Point. I will make one trip to Indiana=20 Beach, and=20=20 > perhaps one other such as > Holiday World.=20 >=20=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 >=20 > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S.=20 used car=20 > listings at AOL Autos.=20=20=20=20=20=20 > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri May 02 13:36:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4355 invoked from network); 2 May 2008 20:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2008 20:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2008 20:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 20:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 20:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2008 20:36:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:36:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4819ED24.6080000@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=JcM1fmUP4tY5_TtPTQHpw2eBtvT7gyMx47731YklErYs3ZjfEg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I don't think it looks too bad, and perhaps they aren't finished yet?=20 They could still put some paint in different hues... The upside is that it's cosmetic maintanence, and so many parks=20 overlook that sort of thing far too often.=20 (Yeah, I'm talking about SFI.)=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > Nathan Brown wrote: > > Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > >>> It's obvious that the author of that article hasn't actually=20 seen these > >>> changes! They have installed ugly, beige siding over all the=20 buildings: > >>> http://tinyurl.com/3jtdqm > >>>=20=20=20=20=20 > >> I think that looks fine - arguably better than what was there=20 before. > >=20 > > I think it looks pretty nice too. A good updated look. >=20 > ?? It looks generic and bland. >=20 > Cameron. > From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Fri May 02 16:25:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73312 invoked from network); 2 May 2008 23:25:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2008 23:25:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62215.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.14) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2008 23:25:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5757 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2008 23:25:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B1_IZeoVM1n6LwSrcxsGfrRyTfYzJ7j4R5FFbrspPqf_E3.2eKSvrj3gX01ZKsqS_UAHeAx_XjlicpG9bRJrgfTDf2eNlaMQw0J7bBld1OK13UqT8cRGt9BgIjw- X-Received: from [172.130.111.206] by web62215.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2008 16:25:42 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <154530.5137.qm@web62215.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=kcisbUeliNi3CJrNADNtglAKFmhFD1_xRy7rINAk9LhR3sxd_ys X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The gas prices are killing me. I spend almost $30.00 a week just driving back and forth to work. I love to travel, so this year is going to be tight. I only live about 45 miles from Michigan's Adventure, so, I might just get a season pass and go there a lot! at least every weekend, to make the pass worth the dough. I have also been dying to go to Indiana beach and Holiday world. But might wait until next year. But, I might make one trip to Indiana Beach for the Steal Hog. But, if gas prices are over $4.00 I might just skip it. The Cedar Fair pass is also on my mind. I might just dare to drive all the way to Kings Island, either that, or head over to Canada's Wonderland in Toronto. I'm leaning towards Canada. I love Toronto, but, haven't been there in years. The last time I visited Canada's wonderland. Top Gun was the newest coaster. I know a lot has changed since then. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri May 02 17:09:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85224 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 00:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 00:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 00:09:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65795 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2008 00:09:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Mzo9ojgVM1mXaOZB94fvalnCavFpzcl_TMhcyIFp6O2_hLhvLIHxkmrfEju0yC0vdPsUxFFBTf3Gw2vgZR0FYP5nQCvJpgKa40EShuAu3HjChAG35dM42P9kb5Y- X-Received: from [72.70.228.163] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2008 17:09:11 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:09:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1209660366.2894.57148.m43@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <311529.65398.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=AT8Ye0RXv5VR6nvffnGl1pbj-PMo2eMFNCwuGMQfELoGV2Iju11x X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think that looks fine - arguably better than what was there before. < It looks like an outlet mall to me, not an amusement park. All the white didn't strike me as bland; it looked like a beach-side boardwalk to me. While I agree the siding looks "cleaner," it's also rather generic and lacks an element of "fun." It reminds me of when Hershey took over Lake Compounce, leveled the place and then rebuilt the midway with generic structures that all were white with blue trim. It too looked "clean," like a dentist's office. IB could have chosen different shades of siding for each building (light greens, yellows, blues and reds). That would have done much more to perk the place up. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri May 02 18:30:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15218 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 01:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 01:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 01:30:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1939 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 01:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 3 May 2008 01:30:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <154530.5137.qm@web62215.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <154530.5137.qm@web62215.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2811E4F0-EE0D-466A-B917-EFD33289AFFA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:30:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=zQl7F5KLynvar6qdIdn0g5qMpuFrw-6Xip2DCEVAHvuVmdst X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I have also been dying to go to Indiana beach and Holiday world. > But might wait until next year. But, I might make one trip to > Indiana Beach for the Steal Hog. But, if gas prices are over $4.00 > I might just skip it. A recent article about Indiana Beach has a quote indicating that Steel Hog may not open until July.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri May 02 18:31:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45327 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 01:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 01:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 01:31:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4018 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 01:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 3 May 2008 01:31:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <311529.65398.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <311529.65398.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C27219C-6E16-46F1-B540-76DFC9BE9DB6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:31:11 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=1Ap_7I468xOU5jVXGH7Tgd4mXvMQpG4rkqjk0ISlxY_3TjVT X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > It looks like an outlet mall to me, not an amusement park. All the > white didn't strike me as bland; it looked like a beach-side > boardwalk to me. While I agree the siding looks "cleaner," it's > also rather generic and lacks an element of "fun." Ding!! Someone gets it!! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri May 02 19:32:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64081 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 02:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 02:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 02:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 02:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 02:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 02:32:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 02:32:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: PR: Six Flags Magic Mountain announces price break X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=nU9a7kPrMHswj09dO30q1n-yPOZrO4pqwRLEi-vmWmsbgc0Zkg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 ROFL. THanks for the post! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > > I found the press release on MySpace. It reads: >=20 > "Six Flags would like to extend an apology and welcome back all the=20 > rowdy teenagers, gangbangers and unattended kids that we have=20 alienated=20 > in the past 2 years. 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--YCalReminder=lruQqEq4jTAMKRoB2beMN1209793819-1-- From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 03 06:04:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1282 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 13:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 13:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 13:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-101-159-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.159.225] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JsHPS-00087G-K3 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 03 May 2008 09:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <481C61EC.20104@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 09:00:28 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <311529.65398.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <311529.65398.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825c03fe7276c88f548ad3d3f259260f389bb5cede8ee680a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=iod6Rb6UY_pcWuwhbcCF5VjrYeF-DjtWQO4FNk3Lut_iUbg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > > I think that looks fine - arguably better than what was there before. < > It looks like an outlet mall to me, not an amusement park. All the white > didn't strike me as bland; it looked like a beach-side boardwalk to me. > While I agree the siding looks "cleaner," it's also rather generic and > lacks an element of "fun." I guess this is where I get stuck, having grown up going to "real" beach side boardwalks. I had SCBB not to far from home, and also went down to the Santa Monica Pier, San Francisco piers, and other authentic boardwalk types of parks. I've also been to a couple in Florida (though without rides), Myrtle Beach, Virginia Beach, and seen pictures of the ones up in New Jersey. Without exception they were full of color- multiple shades of multiple types of colors. None of them- and I mean none, had white as a dominant color, and definitely not on the scale of IB where just about everything was white, except for a couple of rides- which stood out since they were such an exception. How can you get any more generic than having everything in site the same shade of white? It certainly isn't how any other boardwalk or beach-side entertainment area I've been to looked. As I said before, it was the one negative that really struck me with the park. It was just way to much white with nothing to contrast it with. > > It reminds me of when Hershey took over Lake Compounce, leveled the > place and then rebuilt the midway with generic structures that all were > white with blue trim. It too looked "clean," like a dentist's office. IB > could have chosen different shades of siding for each building (light > greens, yellows, blues and reds). That would have done much more to perk > the place up. Again, we don't know that they didn't. How do we know that the siding color wasn't primer? Do we know yet that they're not going to paint it other colors? We've seen pictures of one step of one small area of the park. It's hard to make a judgment on what the whole of the park looks like based on a picture of a construction process. But even if they leave it at that, they just about doubled the numbers of colors in their scheme. Which to me is a good thing. keep on ridin' George From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat May 03 10:05:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21495 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 17:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 17:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 17:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 17:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 17:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 17:05:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 17:05:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=5GIvTBbyLy9LO2Vf15rpADZ5IeUZmGLJTjn9SnPmC2bkwhVa0n4UvYAECg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 well, im lucky in that as far as theme park travels go, i moved to Florida just in time. im within a couple hours drive of at least 5 different theme parks (counting all of the Disney parks as 1), and at least 2 water parks as well. it does mean though that travel to parks anywhere out of the state is out of the question until either prices go down(not gonna happen) or we get cars with much better fuel efficiency. that being said, as i told my wife today, i think our tourism industry is going to get hit pretty hard, at least domestically speaking. id say European travel and expenditure here will rise given the value of the Euro, but folks here arent gonna travel as much as they have in the past.=20 i will be interested to see what the post-summer season numbers will translate to.=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the=20=20 > foreseeable future, and as of this > writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause everyone to=20=20 > mostly visit their home parks > or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long distances to do=20=20 > those big coaster trips > that most of us have been used to doing? I for one have postponed my longer=20=20 > journey trips to see > how gas prices go. I refuse to spend that much. I will go to my home parks=20=20 > more often, which include > Kings Island and Cedar Point. I will make one trip to Indiana Beach, and=20=20 > perhaps one other such as > Holiday World.=20 >=20=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 >=20 > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car=20 > listings at AOL Autos.=20=20=20=20=20=20 > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat May 03 10:09:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83619 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 17:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 17:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.146) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 17:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 17:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 17:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 17:09:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 17:09:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4819EA88.3070605@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=zLWArcm8EYB_MGPydEsMcAtXe0Xw3ActWHsF4mSvWT2WK22Zvub9YSSbpw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Brown wrote: > No effect here. We will still be visiting Cedar Point in June and=20 > making the trip back to Dollywood in September. >=20 > This question seems to come up every year, and when it really comes down=20 > to it, when you are making a long trip the increased price is really a=20 > non-issue. but weve never been at these types of prices before though, so to say its a non issue isnt true. just look at sales of large SUVs and you can easily see that it is in fact a huge issue. besides, if it were a non-issue, it wouldnt be on the nightly news almost every day.=20 From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat May 03 10:56:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77141 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 17:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 17:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com) (69.89.20.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 17:56:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7230 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2008 17:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 17:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from c-75-75-28-162.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([75.75.28.162] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JsLxu-0002pO-8k for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 03 May 2008 11:56:06 -0600 Message-Id: <294F4C7C-D21A-4880-915A-000B936AC70F@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:56:06 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Identified-User: {32346:box24.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 75.75.28.162 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 69.89.20.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=0Rftwpe9lj4Utz4mIn5pNv6x9jMpl7WRsi7ubxBDSIW9arOas57I X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> No effect here. We will still be visiting Cedar Point in June and >> making the trip back to Dollywood in September. >> >> This question seems to come up every year, and when it really comes > down >> to it, when you are making a long trip the increased price is >> really a >> non-issue. > > > but weve never been at these types of prices before though, so to say > its a non issue isnt true. just look at sales of large SUVs and you > can easily see that it is in fact a huge issue. besides, if it were a > non-issue, it wouldnt be on the nightly news almost every day. Haha on the nightly news though they also talk about Britney Spears or now Hannah Montana, so not sure the nightly news is the best gauge on important stuff... that said, I agree that more people talking about it is a good thing. On the other hand like Paul said in Europe gas prices have been high forever, same with Canada. Though I think in Europe, part of the reason gas prices are so high is because the governments have a really large gas tax, while in the US its quite low. And because our tax was so low, people never had any reason to not buy SUVs... and because everyone in the media, government, and the US auto industry is so shortsighted, we never invested anything close to what we needed to in alternative fuels/energy, public transportation, interstate infrastructure, or even simple things like infrastructure for bikes... so now it's coming back to bite us. I had hope that the high gas prices would maybe get people looking a little at long term solutions, but we still have some presidential candidates (!!!) saying we should eliminate the gas tax for the summer. I don't think there are any shortcuts around this problem. Besides, buying gas only costs money... this is nothing compared to what what will happen when we find out we also haven't been investing in the biomedical field as much as we need to. But back on topic... I might take a trip down to Kings Dominion and BGE this year (haven't been there since 2001), and will hopefully get to go to SFGAd a bunch of times. I mostly want to get on the Dominator and Griffon. But compared to my student loans and car loans, my gas bill is almost negligible... I've been getting fuel efficient cars and shortening my commute since 2000, so if I go through 15 gallons a month, thats a lot. Getting to parks is more just a matter of when I have free time. Mike IOASpiderman@donkeyentertainment.com From zelda99@sbcglobal.net Sat May 03 11:44:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zelda99@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77346 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 18:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2008 18:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2008 18:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 18:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 18:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2008 18:44:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 18:44:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "k2000zelda" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259042391; y=FLCLmTvBEMJJpij9NDufTbFTpor2f9yatWBw8wZwjktDI-zfQnVIGXu9K2VFEnHn X-Yahoo-Profile: k2000zelda You know, I one should take a "pity party" on this one. After all (check this out) in US Dollars gas price range from $8.35 a gallon to $.12 a gallon world wide. What makes it cost over $8.00 a gallon from the low? I am going to take my electric car to ALL the Parks I go to from now on. If push come to shove, I will go alone and leave my wife at home. I can always meet some nice lady at the park. Kosta=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Sorry, dude, but gas prices aren't going anywhere but up. Within a=20 > few days, I expect to start paying over $4 a gallon for premium in my=20 > car. (It's at $3.99 9/10 as of this morning.) By Memorial Day,=20 > regular grade in many metro areas will break the $4 line.=20 >=20 > This is actually in keeping with the prices most of Europe and many=20 > Asian countries have been paying for years. With the weak dollar,=20 > recession, and likely burgeoning inflation rates, I fully expect to=20 > be paying $5/gallon by next year.=20 >=20 > So... When I go on my trips this year, I'm leaving my car at home and=20 > renting a subcompact. My next car will also not be a sports car with=20 > a V-6. Those Prius' don't look so ugly any more! >=20 > Chris=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@ wrote: > > > > Question: If gas prices continue to stay above $3 a gallon for the=20=20 > > foreseeable future, and as of this > > writing they are well above $3.50 a gallon, will this cause=20 > everyone to=20=20 > > mostly visit their home parks > > or the parks closest their homes more than traveling long distances=20 > to do=20=20 > > those big coaster trips > > that most of us have been used to doing? I for one have postponed=20 > my longer=20=20 > > journey trips to see > > how gas prices go. I refuse to spend that much. I will go to my=20 > home parks=20=20 > > more often, which include > > Kings Island and Cedar Point. I will make one trip to Indiana=20 > Beach, and=20=20 > > perhaps one other such as > > Holiday World.=20 > >=20=20 > > Brian > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S.=20 > used car=20 > > listings at AOL Autos.=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Sat May 03 19:00:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24827 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 02:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 02:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62212.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.11) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 02:00:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80301 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 02:00:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zfH8GFcVM1myZ2K2Fk8rqdJTGs_SFq7Y6y4T8HQ.RuXl6qMVpGlrfj_SBYdaiBhJpCF5oVLEStS4pnP8FjzQ.zKPq2.vphEVMkvj6sPhGmIc8f_P_5CkbrM2zrc- X-Received: from [172.133.190.19] by web62212.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 May 2008 19:00:01 PDT Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:00:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2811E4F0-EE0D-466A-B917-EFD33289AFFA@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <73630.79733.qm@web62212.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=zWqUYMPqpP_TuaDxt7lYzsJ6VdI7AeGMwA48mqOoOY8CPxgXR84 X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info Cameron. I will wait until I see that the coaster is open before I make the trip down there. It's only a four hour drive, but, would not be worth it if the coaster was closed. I have been there a few times, and think it's a great little park. The only ride I haven't been on is lost coaster. So, I want to do that too. Also like Draculas Castle, and the Cornball Express is a lot of fun too. Thanks. Brian Cameron Silver wrote: A recent article about Indiana Beach has a quote indicating that Steel Hog may not open until July.. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat May 03 20:26:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40698 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 03:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 03:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 03:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 03:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 03:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 03:26:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 03:26:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? 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--YCalReminder=gVmT2NMMCTq6OHWCd7t3Z3AaVC1209880214-1-- From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 04 05:43:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71642 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 12:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 12:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0101.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 12:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80187C3F64 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 05:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.4819c30b.52220 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 05:43:28 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIHa9wFL87CwIAAAAB,85f6113803de9577e5dfbdeeab073a5e Message-ID: <906ECCEC54F445D18D3F3184FEA1216E@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:43:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=g7Q5koCTcfkevOobv78B9zi5VAbdAa0_pRNO3jX8IOl_H9m3jRw_qG8s6w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My brother got one about a year ago and he likes his. It's a lot more roomy inside that it looks on the outside. ----- Original Message ----- From: tommytheduck To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? >Those Prius' don't look so ugly any more! Umm... yeah, they still do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun May 04 06:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49234 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 13:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 13:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 13:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 13:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 13:18:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:18:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=fQTgFzTYaO8ufdfC0ynLtsMyl91ALv800HE3b0KEJN-5DuwHadaWLpNrHg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" wrote: > > >Those Prius' don't look so ugly any more! >=20 > Umm... yeah, they still do. > yeah, i agree. however, if chevy would hurry up and get the Volt into production, that would change things; http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/ its pretty funny that for all their forward thinking, none of the other japanese auto makers have much in the way of alternative fuel designs, not even in the forseeable future. oh well, at least i dont own stock in Hummer, though the first company to make a completely alt-fuel SUV will sittin pretty. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun May 04 06:20:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90876 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 13:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 13:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 13:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 13:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 13:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 13:20:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:20:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <906ECCEC54F445D18D3F3184FEA1216E@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Uger4YUnH8qCcq_JxH4lgGNjKgz7DRrj_QJZSbu4JjBQeo1NA5Bnr8QePg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > My brother got one about a year ago and he likes his. It's a lot more roomy inside that it looks on the outside. >=20 its not about cargo space. the thing is just ugly. better than the old Honda Insight, but not by much. if i was going to buy a hybrid, I'd get one that looks like a regular car, like the Accord, Pathfinder or Escape.=20 From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Sun May 04 06:27:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21636 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 13:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 13:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 13:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 13:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 13:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 13:27:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:27:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=tHji14XYlhow7BX2OpFbRXKpzSAleaG0J-OmddRWgEo0_vyxrHU2BziF6qNl X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > its not about cargo space. the thing is just ugly. better than the old > Honda Insight, but not by much. if i was going to buy a hybrid, I'd > get one that looks like a regular car, like the Accord, Pathfinder or > Escape. Call me crazy, but I really like how Prius(es? how do you make that plural?) look. I had to do a math project once where we had to find a car we liked and find out all the interest, etc on it and I picked a Prius. I like them a lot. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun May 04 08:43:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88968 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 15:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 15:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 15:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 15:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 15:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 15:43:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 15:43:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kennywood Opens, Ghostwood Estate Debuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1_1XyTVxdGlfj4v7UF86-olAn64DmO9smq7Mb3852C1FbuY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 There's video connected to this link -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ May 3, 2008 KDKA-2 http://kdka.com/local/Kennywood.opens.2008.2.714373.html WEST MIFFLIN, PA -― The Jack Rabbit, the Log Jammer and the Pitt Fall= . It's a sure sign summer is on the way; Kennywood is opening to visitors today. With the 2008 season also comes some new rides and attractions sure to excite any amusement park thrill seeker. The newest addition this year is the Ghostwood Estate attraction, which is replacing the old Gold Rusher ride. Ghostwood Estate features a new system of trackless cars that travel through a haunted mansion and also features interaction by allowing riders to zap targets that pop out of nowhere. "It's been amazing to watch because it's probably the biggest production outside of something like the Phantom's Revenge, a big rollercoaster, that we've every done," said Kennywood Park's Mary Lou Rosemeyer. Kennywood officials say the park also has some new games and brand-new Make-Your-Own-Slushie machine in addition to the new ride. Kennywood's Opening Day will be today. Kennywood will then be closed from May 4-7, and May 8 is scheduled as a day for school groups with reservations. The park will then be open on May 9, 10 and 11, but closed on May 12 and 13. It will then open daily for the season on May 14 through August 24. ---------- =A9 MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun May 04 08:48:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54807 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 15:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 15:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 15:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 15:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 15:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 15:48:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 15:48:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hershey Park Opens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=8tJRLw4m38lcZpxZMJtYaHOQA1uOh0_7oqhtGbdgDQ8U_B0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 5/02/08 WHP-CBS-21 http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3D30e35936-ed5c-4cff-= 9937-043d841c5b65&rss=3D50 HERSHEY, PA -- Dozens of families made sure to take advantage of opening day, from grabbing that sweet souvenir, to racing to be the first in line for the rollercoasters. Officials at the park say it has all the amenities of a large amusement park but is a destination that can save you at the pump. Kathy Burrows: Hershey Park: "Of course we've got costume characters ... we've got lots of fun things and lots of rides; really something for everybody. We have fireworks in the summer on Saturday nights. So it's really a wonderful way to spend a vacation without putting all your money in gas." The park will open a new rollercoaster later this month, as well as, the beaches of the boardwalk. -------------- =A9 2008 Clear Channel Broadcasting, Inc. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun May 04 09:52:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77715 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 16:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 16:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 16:52:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22900 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 16:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 May 2008 16:52:50 -0000 Message-ID: <481DE9E1.5080008@buzzneon.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:52:49 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Ugh .. More Indiana Beach abomination.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=DQPtg8tgFgMTdDK7BdqNA_4MXaoZh9RjcfMLU380ORet5SH0 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Nothing like blocking the view of the water .. This is turning into Cedar Point! http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/dsc_9706_210.jpg Cameron. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun May 04 11:27:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8211 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 18:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 18:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 18:27:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45671 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 18:27:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Qk3MW9AVM1m27VzHdJLBcBGkGVyXKRinJg42j80lCpdfVr4MGPhI9MmfSoAjmBqLMJUD.9Ingsfkt0wsmqdbJ_G4GOV58hQWAfB9vc0GWy_9ahQ_jGDAAuhdnvE- X-Received: from [72.70.228.163] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 11:27:01 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:27:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1209833303.3008.82174.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <666648.44905.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=JHtPa-oJdwaPDgX9Arv7Lf6XD1MiLY8dJRz-m_U9aS-iquKR4WT_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > None of them- and I mean none, had white as a dominant color, and definitely not on the scale of IB where just about everything was white < Well, George, it maybe it's a New England thing, because around here all of the beachside amusement buildings seem to be white with nondescript trim on them. It probably was simply an economic thing, as with roller coasters: white was the cheapest paint available. With all that sea spray and the harsh New England winters, the buildings probably had to be re-painted every year and it made more economic sense to use white. So IB took me back to my childhood at various New England beaches. All it needed was some beach sand sprinkled around the boardwalk. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun May 04 11:38:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36496 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 18:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 18:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 18:38:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41425 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 18:38:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1vO.doMVM1n8aW4f5W_qY5ssqCggP0rcZQ3DT5MhJ9tqnHjK01R4ClLsxmicpJgCtcan2wxMH6Ge6xz947bD6bgSAPI.JXCp5cPQik7hd97fnlL9AXN1cLnBcyY- X-Received: from [72.70.228.163] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 11:38:05 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1209921343.2350.68865.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <706180.40546.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Ugh .. More Indiana Beach abomination X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=3CXFoW31LqRlCJAxGzthPNCkKV66udBArl-7-0cOGwOEHM-f_I_l X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wassa matta? You don't like tan Butler buildings? This was exactly my issue with SFNE's Dark Knight coaster (now aborted). The view of the the river would have been obscured by a big ugly metal building. Isn't there anyone left in the industry who understands aesthetics? Enhancing the visual environment in a pleasing way makes guests feel more relaxed which in turn gets them to spend more. Forcing them to look at poorly-integrated and claustrophobic architecture will not increase long-term profits. Jay --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 04 14:43:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31000 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 21:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 21:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0101.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 21:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579F87C74DC for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm103.4819f07b.10832d for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 14:39:52 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIHi0oAi0X9QIAAAAB,4f1d6fe7b8d7627d3d195ce2053f5b12 Message-ID: <5CDCAA2164D8437DB492074EA7D32126@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:40:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=DfchccTW6bPhwqvZhaR_boDdmh37BFtlJ0uFYM_NhkWAlYFlT-NeVtC5fA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Nelson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? its not about cargo space. the thing is just ugly. better than the old Honda Insight, but not by much. if i was going to buy a hybrid, I'd get one that looks like a regular car, like the Accord, Pathfinder or Escape. ---- That's the big problem the country is going to be facing... getting the hell away from the concept that we need SUVs and cars with V6 or V8s in them. That's what got us half way into the trouble we're in now. Man, i remember driving an old VW Rabbit DIESEL back in the mid to late '80s and it got about 50 mpg way back then. In the '90s we had other little mini cars like Geo Metros and stuff... not pretty to look at but they got 40-50mph on regular unleaded gas. Now everyone looks at Hybrids like the Prius who can get 50mph and Oooh and Ahhhh... but you used to get that kind of mileage with regular engines years ago. It's like we've gone backwards with our auto technology as far efficiency goes because so many people got used to cheap gas and got hungry for Mini Vans, SUVs and big trucks. okay...time to get off the soap box. ;-) From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun May 04 17:56:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31977 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 00:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 00:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 00:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-101-159-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.159.225] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jsozm-0006Lt-6P for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 May 2008 20:55:58 -0400 Message-ID: <481E5A3B.9010500@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:52:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <5CDCAA2164D8437DB492074EA7D32126@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <5CDCAA2164D8437DB492074EA7D32126@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825c03fe7276c88f598cc4fea622db0423e4a1f1d30faec50350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LDs8drrrhVbHTrQP2TCI-PoXdlSgoyBbYy286_nXvg4qV7g X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance wrote: > Man, i remember driving an old VW Rabbit DIESEL back in the mid to late > '80s > and it got about 50 mpg way back then. In the '90s we had other little mini > cars like Geo Metros and stuff... not pretty to look at but they got > 40-50mph on regular unleaded gas. Now everyone looks at Hybrids like the > Prius who can get 50mph and Oooh and Ahhhh... but you used to get that kind > of mileage with regular engines years ago. > It's like we've gone backwards with our auto technology as far > efficiency goes because so many people got used to cheap gas and got hungry > for Mini Vans, SUVs and big trucks. I'm happy to know that someone else remembers that. I thought I was going crazy remember my parents Chevy Citation having mileage in the 30-35mpg range- and that car was almost like a mini-station wagon. I've wondered for a while now what the heck happened when we used to be able to get much better gas mileage on the cars and somehow in the last decade or two forgot how to do that. It's really kind of funny that my 87 Ford Bronco II gets better gas mileage with a V6 than a good number of the four cylinder vehicles that have come out in the last few years. What's the deal with that? Why can my V6 get 20mpg or more when a brand new car can't? Someone is screwing up somewhere. Guess I should step off of Lance's soapbox. :) keep on ridin' (just not drivin' hehe) George From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun May 04 18:05:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17667 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 01:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 01:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 01:05:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22187 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 01:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 May 2008 01:05:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <481E5A3B.9010500@earthlink.net> References: <5CDCAA2164D8437DB492074EA7D32126@ScreamscapeHP> <481E5A3B.9010500@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8586193F-84A0-4FA4-939A-D122BD916395@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:05:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Rn0cyQy5L7ZEoOjKkVYolkDz5kSPnG5iE91-NCL2qf7G4vdk X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > It's really kind of funny that my 87 Ford Bronco II gets better gas > mileage with a V6 than a good number of the four cylinder vehicles > that > have come out in the last few years. What's the deal with that? Why > can my V6 get 20mpg or more when a brand new car can't? Someone is > screwing up somewhere. Not at all .. Your Camry is lightyears safer than that 87 Bronco, and that added safety means a great deal more weight .. so you need more fuel in order to lug it around. There is no way a new car can be registered in this country if it were built like a car from the 70s or 80s (or even early 90s, now). I'm sorry, but that's just a fact. That's not to say that new old cars are not still being made .. VW is still cranking out brand new original Golfs (which were called Rabbits in the US) for developing nations, and they were even making original Beetles until just a few years ago (for Mexico, I believe). So choose .. be safe with an empty wallet, or crushed to death with a full wallet! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Have you seen * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** this chicken? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 04 19:10:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46009 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 02:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 02:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 02:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C3F6BC04E for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.4819fc67.6217a for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:10:49 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIHmyp/uvryAIAAAAB,b8b4b3c05fa0e6ae79a837481dcb983c Message-ID: <792D0104EA3A491988A1360D09D96A04@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <5CDCAA2164D8437DB492074EA7D32126@ScreamscapeHP> <481E5A3B.9010500@earthlink.net> <8586193F-84A0-4FA4-939A-D122BD916395@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <8586193F-84A0-4FA4-939A-D122BD916395@buzzneon.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:11:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=okjx2LmY_kwbbDJ9adJcdZai5Sn7RZKRsEAO5ywhk5QZuQKOXztIX6Dj9w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Cameron Silver To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? > It's really kind of funny that my 87 Ford Bronco II gets better gas > mileage with a V6 than a good number of the four cylinder vehicles > that > have come out in the last few years. What's the deal with that? Why > can my V6 get 20mpg or more when a brand new car can't? Someone is > screwing up somewhere. Not at all .. Your Camry is lightyears safer than that 87 Bronco, and that added safety means a great deal more weight .. so you need more fuel in order to lug it around. There is no way a new car can be registered in this country if it were built like a car from the 70s or 80s (or even early 90s, now). I'm sorry, but that's just a fact. That's not to say that new old cars are not still being made .. VW is still cranking out brand new original Golfs (which were called Rabbits in the US) for developing nations, and they were even making original Beetles until just a few years ago (for Mexico, I believe). So choose .. be safe with an empty wallet, or crushed to death with a full wallet! --- Oh course one of the big reasons they've tried to beef up cars so much was because of a damned SUV craze in the first place. Of course switching back to lightweight cars now isn't going to be much different than how it was in the early 80s when the old "heavy" 70's cars were phased out for new compact imports from Toyota, Datsun (before Nissan), VW, etc... Same issue really... little light crushable cars vs big heavy boats. Of course the fact that the government has been allowing SUVs to "cheat" the emmisions and milage standards for years by being classified as "trucks" instead of "cars" is also to blame. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 04 20:24:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31087 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 03:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 03:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:24:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 03:24:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=hVMcJyucYEuf5aTTOPDwaDTOW-ou1jX30Bykw9lWTtFB2aG9Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > > > My brother got one about a year ago and he likes his. It's a lot > more roomy inside that it looks on the outside. > >=20 >=20 > its not about cargo space. the thing is just ugly. better than the old > Honda Insight, but not by much. if i was going to buy a hybrid, I'd > get one that looks like a regular car, like the Accord, Pathfinder or > Escape. I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that we (as a nation) have paid=20 far too much attention to cars being attractive, and not enough to them=20 being efficient. (I'm as guilty as the next guy, I drive a G35.) I'm=20 talking about all the single people and couples who drive monster=20 SUV's, don't have kids, don't tow anything, etc.=20 I'm pretty loyal to Nissan, but if they don't make something=20 environmentally friendly soon, my next car will be fuel efficient and=20 reliable.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 04 20:34:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87034 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 03:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.130) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 03:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:34:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 03:34:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <666648.44905.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: New park owners giving Indiana Beach a makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=cUpJVuHsnVfIJeyzHzY_ByiIJ5LYZ2d7u5QFNV5Oe-oDerjNuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I grew up with Salisbury Beach / Pirates Fun Park as my local=20 beachside park.=20 Um, yeah, those brown buildings are FAR more attractive than that=20 seaside dump.=20 :) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > None of them- and I mean none, had white as a dominant color, and=20 definitely not on the scale of IB where just about everything was=20 white < >=20 > Well, George, it maybe it's a New England thing, because around=20 here all of the beachside amusement buildings seem to be white with=20 nondescript trim on them. It probably was simply an economic thing,=20 as with roller coasters: white was the cheapest paint available.=20=20 With all that sea spray and the harsh New England winters, the=20 buildings probably had to be re-painted every year and it made more=20 economic sense to use white. >=20 > So IB took me back to my childhood at various New England beaches.=20=20 All it needed was some beach sand sprinkled around the boardwalk. >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.=20=20 Try it now. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 04 20:37:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78258 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 03:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 03:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:37:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 03:37:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5CDCAA2164D8437DB492074EA7D32126@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=axszaPlfeeMgGUHWzGqTEvNeE-_57puo-LLvDMWMW8ZpfEaj1w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I've been totally wondering about that backslide, too. Do you=20 remember the Honda CRX-HF? IIRC, it got 56 mpg highway! Now, you're=20 lucky if you can find something that gets 35 mpg.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Doug Nelson > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:20 AM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices=20 keep you=20 > from your favorite Park? >=20 > its not about cargo space. the thing is just ugly. better than the=20 old > Honda Insight, but not by much. if i was going to buy a hybrid, I'd > get one that looks like a regular car, like the Accord, Pathfinder=20 or > Escape. >=20 > ---- >=20 > That's the big problem the country is going to be facing... getting=20 the hell=20 > away from the concept > that we need SUVs and cars with V6 or V8s in them. That's what got=20 us half=20 > way into the > trouble we're in now. >=20 > Man, i remember driving an old VW Rabbit DIESEL back in the mid to=20 late '80s=20 > and it got about 50 mpg way back then. In the '90s we had other=20 little mini=20 > cars like Geo Metros and stuff... not pretty to look at but they=20 got=20 > 40-50mph on regular unleaded gas. Now everyone looks at Hybrids=20 like the=20 > Prius who can get 50mph and Oooh and Ahhhh... but you used to get=20 that kind=20 > of mileage with regular engines years ago. > It's like we've gone backwards with our auto technology as far=20 > efficiency goes because so many people got used to cheap gas and=20 got hungry=20 > for Mini Vans, SUVs and big trucks. >=20 > okay...time to get off the soap box. ;-) > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 04 20:44:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31587 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 03:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.135) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 03:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:44:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 03:43:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8586193F-84A0-4FA4-939A-D122BD916395@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=U_Lzwl-3yV6bzay4Jn0RcxKidXmezJVyll7KNnwIItbg8VM_5g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Sort of.=20 Far more people die on the road these days. I wonder if the=20 psychology of having all that extra safety equipment makes people=20 more complacent about the idea of having an accident.=20 Drivers are certainly far more distracted by all the gadgets, too,=20 from cell phones, video and MP3 players, GPS, etc. Low-tech stuff,=20 too. I've seen people reading newspapers, doing crosswords, etc.=20 Then there's my favorite: Driving, smoking and talking on the phone=20 at the same time. Hey, pick two, all right? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > > It's really kind of funny that my 87 Ford Bronco II gets better=20 gas > > mileage with a V6 than a good number of the four cylinder=20 vehicles=20=20 > > that > > have come out in the last few years. What's the deal with that?=20=20 Why > > can my V6 get 20mpg or more when a brand new car can't? Someone=20 is > > screwing up somewhere. >=20 > Not at all .. Your Camry is lightyears safer than that 87 Bronco,=20 and=20=20 > that added safety means a great deal more weight .. so you need=20 more=20=20 > fuel in order to lug it around. >=20 > There is no way a new car can be registered in this country if it=20=20 > were built like a car from the 70s or 80s (or even early 90s,=20 now).=20=20 > I'm sorry, but that's just a fact. That's not to say that new old=20=20 > cars are not still being made .. VW is still cranking out brand=20 new=20=20 > original Golfs (which were called Rabbits in the US) for=20 developing=20=20 > nations, and they were even making original Beetles until just a=20 few=20=20 > years ago (for Mexico, I believe). >=20 > So choose .. be safe with an empty wallet, or crushed to death with=20 a=20=20 > full wallet! >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver: ** Have you seen = =20 * ,_~o > cameron@... ** this chicken? * / //\ > ****************************************************************=20=20=20 \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. = =20 * \, > From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun May 04 20:44:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69146 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:44:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 03:44:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 03:44:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3181 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:44:07 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 May 2008 03:44:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:43:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4ViB_Bk9QloXXcPPbY975AcLZuB20KN2L7W5D11DrrcdyXbn X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that we (as a nation) have paid > far too much attention to cars being attractive, and not enough to > them > being efficient. (I'm as guilty as the next guy, I drive a G35.) I'm > talking about all the single people and couples who drive monster > SUV's, don't have kids, don't tow anything, etc. Show me one SUV that's attractive! The G35 on the other hand - hubba hubba! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Doing the things * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A particle can. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 04 20:47:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27177 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:47:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 03:47:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.78) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 03:47:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:47:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:47:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 03:47:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 03:47:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=p92zFVwArZj8fI-XTwVYqaTMDhk_f0geOiQeujapceoSKj9kSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 SUV's are attractive too people in the trendy sense, but certainly=20 not aesthetically, IMHO.=20 Chris (And I loooove my car. Bought Sept 2003, 26,000 miles on it right=20 now, and paid off!) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > > I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that we (as a nation) have=20 paid > > far too much attention to cars being attractive, and not enough=20 to=20=20 > > them > > being efficient. (I'm as guilty as the next guy, I drive a G35.)=20 I'm > > talking about all the single people and couples who drive monster > > SUV's, don't have kids, don't tow anything, etc. >=20 > Show me one SUV that's attractive! >=20 > The G35 on the other hand - hubba hubba! >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver: ** Doing the things = =20 * ,_~o > cameron@... ** A particle can. * / //\ > ****************************************************************=20=20=20 \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. = =20 * \, > From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun May 04 20:47:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41946 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 03:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 03:47:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 665 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 03:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 May 2008 03:47:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <79282D28-9610-4D17-9F17-50FC79359EDA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:47:22 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=d0SCBLnPrEFEHit2RVVBY4JnIdAIBIZXw8cb_dDSHZHQpewg X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Drivers are certainly far more distracted by all the gadgets, too, > from cell phones, video and MP3 players, GPS, etc. Low-tech stuff, > too. I've seen people reading newspapers, doing crosswords, etc. Cars are so comfortable now that people feel like they're still in their living room. It also doesn't help that "automatic" is the norm in the US (a person is forced to pay attention when driving a stick- shift - it's more efficient too!). Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** 'Honesty' - don't * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** believe the hype! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 04 21:04:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44236 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 04:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 04:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 04:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from dm0202.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973A16BDE7D for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:04:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm0202 X-Received: by dm0202.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm0202.4819ccd4.130990 for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:03:21 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIHocJ+bBRmQIAAAAB,3803261a46762feb088b68a4b9ada04b Message-ID: <5BAAA22B203A4AC88CA12A85A195423F@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <79282D28-9610-4D17-9F17-50FC79359EDA@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <79282D28-9610-4D17-9F17-50FC79359EDA@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 00:04:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=494Il60Rz8YG_9SVup43ykeDDQQMzgr1fZTjAAy5C5bXPAaf1cPyiKtiDw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Cars are so comfortable now that people feel like they're still in their living room. It also doesn't help that "automatic" is the norm in the US (a person is forced to pay attention when driving a stick- shift - it's more efficient too!).<< Too true... I've still got a stick shift I'm proud to say. I enjoy it more personally... about the only time it becomes more benneificial to have automatic is if you deal with bad stop and creep traffic problems daily that would make your clutch foot want to fall-off... 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--YCalReminder=7TjgOYV6OrcOUU1209966622-1-- From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 05 07:00:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65758 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 14:00:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 14:00:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 14:00:45 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1078744rvf.20 for ; Mon, 05 May 2008 07:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.226.14 with SMTP id y14mr2812023rvg.164.1209996045165; Mon, 05 May 2008 07:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 5 May 2008 07:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:00:45 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <706180.40546.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1209921343.2350.68865.m45@yahoogroups.com> <706180.40546.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Ugh .. More Indiana Beach abomination X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=70Uf7u3hUJK0zo8FJkZiOss5uXMBA8Aoq_AYyjq-QKT53glUueX_9FA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Isn't there anyone left in the industry who understands aesthetics? Enhancing the visual environment in a pleasing way makes guests feel more relaxed which in turn gets them to spend more. Funny, I would have thought that constructing game booths (such as the ones in question) would be the way to get people to spend money as opposed to tearing down all merchendise and sales opportunity for the sake of a "nice view". -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 05 07:23:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16458 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 14:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 14:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 14:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:23:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:23:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Man Jumps from the Disneyland Hotel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pOnJ_V28Hbn1Ukaz1wODytBNJ61rNki8_EZ3pOws-SI1Pak X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 5, 2008 Mouse Planet http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=3Ddl080505xx ANAHEIM, CA -- A man jumped to his death from the 14th floor of the Disneyland (DL) Hotel last Friday morning in what the Anaheim police department has initially determined to be a suicide. The unidentified male, said to be between age 30-40, was staying in a south-facing room of the Wonder Tower (formerly Bonita) of the hotel, overlooking a parking lot. According to Anaheim Police Dept. spokesman Sgt. Rick Martinez, the man was believed to be in town for business. He was in the room with an adult male associate when, shortly after 11 a.m., he stepped out onto the balcony, made a statement, and jumped. A local television station reported that at least one cast member witnessed the jump. DL Resort spokesman John Nicoletti said in a prepared statement, "We are very saddened by what happened today. We are making counselors available to those who may need them." Further details of the investigation were not available at press time. ------------------ =A9 2000-2008 MousePlanet From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 05 07:26:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98742 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 14:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 14:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 14:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:26:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:26:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland Tram in minor accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Irs1eoUDxlrCsNbHL_yHGpcYPIUMN5xQvmMppKemrSKfyAU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 5, 2008 Mouse Planet http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=3Ddl080505xx ANAHEIM, CA -- Friday morning, at the Disneyland Resort, a Disneyland tram struck a sign as it made the turn leaving the Mickey and Friends parking structure, causing minor damage to the back car of the tram. A few guests were treated at the scene for scratches, and the trams were taken out of service for about 2 hours while the incident was investigated. During this period park visitors who parked in the Mickey and Friends structure were directed to walk to the Disneyland Resort, either by taking a pedestrian path alongside the tram route or by walking through Downtown Disney. -------------- =A9 2000-2008 MousePlanet From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 05 07:35:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71815 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 14:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 14:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.131) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 14:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n4.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2008 14:35:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:35:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: JOKE: Disneyland Coming to Baghdad X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YOK9ITMd7DCwBLkipRwvS3rC5yCJsvU7RnDAHarz-SzpCcE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 30 April 2008 FM Live Wire The Spoof http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=3Ds3i34603 By Felix Minderbinder WASHINGTON, DC -- Disneyland (DL) will be coming to Baghdad soon, offering visitors a multi-million dollar entertainment complex on a 50 acre lot adjacent to the Green Zone. The American-style amusement park will feature a dodge-the-mortar-round skateboard park, Humvee and APC rides, a minefield walk and several shooting galleries. "Our imperialist occupation forces are of the opinion that Baghdad is lacking in entertainment," said General David Petraeus, who is a big supporter of DL in Baghdad. In the shooting galleries, Sunnis will be able to shoot Shiite figures with live automatic weapons, and Shiites will be able to shoot at Sunnis. Everyone will be able to shoot at images of the imperial forces and their leaders. A special gallery will allow visitors to "shoot the mouse" i.e. fire AK-47s at Mickey Mouse and other Disney characters. The roller coaster ride will hand out flak jackets to visitors and resist automatic gunfire. Supported by the Pentagon, the Disney entertainment park is an integral part of a special program designed to replace Iraqi culture and values with American crap culture. Some 200,000 bomb-proof Kevlar skateboards are to be donated to the park for the enjoyment of Iraqi youth. The objective is to replace Iraq's daily reality of death, destruction and torture with the delusional dream world made in America. A new game under development for the fun park will allow visitors to roll a barrel of oil through an obstacle course until it is successfully delivered to Exxon Mobil. Other games under consideration will allow visitors to mine oil pipelines, improvise IEDs from various munitions, fire RPGs and take Blackhawk helicopter rides. ------------ Copyright Felix Minderbinder Live Wire =A9 2003-2008, TheSpoof.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 05 08:04:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5486 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 15:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 15:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 15:04:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24836 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 15:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 May 2008 15:04:28 -0000 Message-ID: <481F21FA.9060701@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:04:26 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1209921343.2350.68865.m45@yahoogroups.com> <706180.40546.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Ugh .. More Indiana Beach abomination X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=H0LR4B7ve5-JmYOG8Uu9PzU4aUWqd3etKF1pguJ0oIQYxIfn X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Seriously Nate, I know how much you love to argue but can you honestly say that those barf-em-up Home Depo sheds fit-in even slightly? They look disgusting! I don't object to games (they had the basketball thing next to where Chaos was), just those horrible buildings. Cameron. Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> Isn't there anyone left in the industry who understands aesthetics? Enhancing the visual environment in a pleasing way makes guests feel more relaxed which in turn gets them to spend more. > > Funny, I would have thought that constructing game booths (such as the > ones in question) would be the way to get people to spend money as > opposed to tearing down all merchendise and sales opportunity for the > sake of a "nice view". > > -Nate > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 05 08:19:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43222 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 15:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 15:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 15:19:34 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a78so861254pyh.32 for ; Mon, 05 May 2008 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.163.12 with SMTP id q12mr2856534rvo.260.1210000770821; Mon, 05 May 2008 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:19:30 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <481F21FA.9060701@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1209921343.2350.68865.m45@yahoogroups.com> <706180.40546.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <481F21FA.9060701@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Ugh .. More Indiana Beach abomination X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=dNlL9ID5ebuxGt3fILTmPX-LadGoPqVfrSvT0CbN2n5mMDW7_tCEaug X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Seriously Nate, I know how much you love to argue but can you honestly > say that those barf-em-up Home Depo sheds fit-in even slightly? This has nothing to do with "liking to argue" (which I take offense to, by the way). It has everything to do with the typical enthusiasts whining, crying, and having a temper tantrum over the most ridiculous of things. Honestly, get over it. It's not your park. I really wish the only thing I had to worry about in life was whether or not I'd get a good view of the lake from IB this summer. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon May 05 09:23:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38313 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 16:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 16:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 16:23:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7398 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 16:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 May 2008 16:23:15 -0000 Message-ID: <481F346A.9090009@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:23:06 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1209921343.2350.68865.m45@yahoogroups.com> <706180.40546.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <481F21FA.9060701@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Ugh .. More Indiana Beach abomination X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=OO8QCKoh2vQXy5GBtLPy3ggJx8QjjbL6oNf5BdNwAVv7XAmm X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon HI Nate, > This has nothing to do with "liking to argue" (which I take offense > to, by the way). Sorry - I totally didn't mean it in an insulting way. I like to argue too, as do some of the most intelligent people I know. It has everything to do with the typical enthusiasts > whining, crying, and having a temper tantrum over the most ridiculous > of things. See, now I'm insulted! :) I'm not a typical enthusiast - just discussing what's going on at my favorite park. I haven't once cried, or thrown a tantrum (nor will I boycott or get t-shirts made). That said I'm still bummed to see the park change, as I've had loads of good times there. And like I said on a different board: new owners mean definite changes .. some will be good, and some will be bad. The painted water-slides look fantastic, but those new buildings look really awful. Cameron. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon May 05 11:46:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13129 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 18:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 18:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 18:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ce5.2f8cad70 (37109) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 14:46:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB087-90f5481f560ca6; Mon, 05 May 2008 14:46:36 -0400 Message-ID: <481F560C.2000303@aol.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:46:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=fjP7J35phcPpS2EPm_f6S5267r7uIUJHM7Ni7P5gD2Ludr2teQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Brown > wrote: > > >> No effect here. We will still be visiting Cedar Point in June and >> making the trip back to Dollywood in September. >> >> This question seems to come up every year, and when it really comes >> > down > >> to it, when you are making a long trip the increased price is really a >> non-issue. >> > > > but weve never been at these types of prices before though, so to say > its a non issue isnt true. just look at sales of large SUVs and you > can easily see that it is in fact a huge issue. besides, if it were a > non-issue, it wouldnt be on the nightly news almost every day. > > The media likes to make a non-issue into an issue. In the long run, if you can't afford the extra $50 it might cost this year over last year to take a trip, maybe you should consider weather you can really afford the trip at all. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Vader '08 Embrace the Dark Side! McCarthy was RIGHT! From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon May 05 11:50:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31907 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bda.29038ccd (37103) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 14:49:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB081-90ef481f56cf7e; Mon, 05 May 2008 14:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: <481F56CF.10203@aol.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:49:51 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <906ECCEC54F445D18D3F3184FEA1216E@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <906ECCEC54F445D18D3F3184FEA1216E@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=gAXpDtN8MTM8waxBj4kqEneTFsizNe_RenctK2-N698FMoAMQg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Lance wrote: > My brother got one about a year ago and he likes his. It's a lot more roomy inside that it looks on the outside. > That doesn't make it look any better on the outside ;-) -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Vader '08 Embrace the Dark Side! McCarthy was RIGHT! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon May 05 22:50:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72961 invoked by uid 7800); 6 May 2008 05:50:22 -0000 Date: 6 May 2008 05:50:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1210053022.11.72960.m49@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=lPPMV18kARw5OHqmNdTH1210053019-1" --YCalReminder=lPPMV18kARw5OHqmNdTH1210053019-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Magnum XL-200 opened Tuesday May 6, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Sandusky, Ohio Notes: Magnum XL-200 opens on this date in 1989, at Cedar Point in Sandusky, OH. 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--YCalReminder=lPPMV18kARw5OHqmNdTH1210053019-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 06 06:27:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81405 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 13:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 13:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 13:27:13 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z25so1101370ele.6 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 06:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.71.6 with SMTP id t6mr322352wfa.331.1210080432493; Tue, 06 May 2008 06:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 06:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0805060627y410482d3rdbdcb17fbc9c4fa9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:27:12 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <481F560C.2000303@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <481F560C.2000303@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Poll: Will Too High Gas Prices keep you from your favorite Park? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=xPgEMmxxfzoTgUvh-PR0YzNTCSoAOi36m2thoeL5WyeuG7oxUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think it's just the $50 or so that it will cost over the course of a trip that is becoming a deterrent to people, it's more the overall everyday cost of getting to work that has gone up. I know, in my Civic, I'm putting $40 a week in gas which really doesn't seem like much until you consider that last year at this time I was putting in less than $30 and in 2004 I was putting an average of $18-20. Such is life, until it goes over $5/gallon :) Josh On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Nathan Brown wrote: > Doug Nelson wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > Nathan Brown > > wrote: > > > > > >> No effect here. We will still be visiting Cedar Point in June and > >> making the trip back to Dollywood in September. > >> > >> This question seems to come up every year, and when it really comes > >> > > down > > > >> to it, when you are making a long trip the increased price is really a > >> non-issue. > >> > > > > > > but weve never been at these types of prices before though, so to say > > its a non issue isnt true. just look at sales of large SUVs and you > > can easily see that it is in fact a huge issue. besides, if it were a > > non-issue, it wouldnt be on the nightly news almost every day. > > > > > > The media likes to make a non-issue into an issue. > > In the long run, if you can't afford the extra $50 it might cost this > year over last year to take a trip, maybe you should consider weather > you can really afford the trip at all. > > -- > Nathan Brown > > AKA Cyclonic > Penncoasters.com > > The Insensitivity rolls on... > > Vader '08 > Embrace the Dark Side! > > McCarthy was RIGHT! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 08:15:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42641 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.132) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:15:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:15:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Camel punching at Vallejo theme park leads to arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=CzrD5GlVpooxDPF7sGhNVQMX_Kr7jqt_5D10JFJkHGbZ4N8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 05/05/2008 The San Jose Mercury News http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9161626 VALLEJO, CA -- Vallejo police arrested a Santa Rosa man who allegedly assaulted a camel Sunday at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom and fled from park security personnel. Christopher Allen, 24, was dared by a friend to enter the restricted area where the animal was kept and punch it, police said. He accepted the dare and was detained afterward by security personnel, but he soon escaped and tried to run from the park with his fiends, police said. Vallejo police were called and located the suspects' car on Highway 37. They arrested Allen and the driver, identified as 22-y.o. Chrissy Thatcher of San Rafael. ------------ Copyright 2008 San Jose Mercury News From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue May 06 08:20:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81532 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.189) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:20:07 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b6so589474tic.23 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 08:20:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.50.3 with SMTP id x3mr838083ybx.33.1210087206357; Tue, 06 May 2008 08:20:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.64.21 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 08:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0805060820n8a99a8ah70e32adc67dece6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:20:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Camel punching at Vallejo theme park leads to arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=AkGeAvPAsbDJOHcFKF96xO2qyCeshwvDKhsAFnFdkc8cQWc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I think as hard as we are on park employees, it does help to remember that they have to put up with idiots like this. The public's stupidity can be staggering. Adam who has heard of a donkey punch and camel toe...but never a camel punch From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 08:24:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37847 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:24:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:24:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Analysts encouraged by Disney park numbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EMcVprnf6UwoS1lxN0DMHGLq-mz3wA_6DlhrEiiqt7b0BqA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 5, 2008 Market Watch http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/analysts-encouraged-disney-park-numbe= rs/story.aspx?guid=3D%7B65121E54-2538-4D40-B443-9D91EE3D26A5%7D&dist=3Dmsr_= 63 By Russ Britt GLENDALE, CA -- Wall Street analysts were a bit more optimistic Monday about theme park results for entertainment giant Walt Disney Co., as investors await news on the company's 2nd-quarter results due after the close on Tuesday. Concern seems to be fleeting over the possibility that results for the company's Walt Disney World (WDW) in Orlando, FL, and cornerstone Disneyland (DL) Resort in Anaheim, CA, might falter in the face of recession. Sluggish economic conditions often have a detrimental effect on revenue at Disney's theme parks, particularly its WDW in Florida. That facility took a hit in sales after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks but has since recovered. Richard Greenfield of Pali Research noted that the Orlando Sentinel reported over the weekend that March resort tax collections were up 5.1% year-over-year. He noted that the Easter holiday fell early this year, but said in a note to clients that signs are positive for the parks. "Disney's theme park division remains investors' No. 1 concern, yet all signs point to Disney's fiscal second-quarter [ending in March] being quite strong, with theme parks likely to upside surprise," Greenfield wrote. Disney expects to report its earnings after the close Tuesday. Analysts polled by FactSet Research are forecasting profits to come in at 51 cents a share on sales of $8.51 billion, compared with the 43 cents a share on sales of $8.07 billion posted a year ago. Greenfield's estimate was 52 cents a share, but now he feels as though that might be conservative. Jason Helfstein of Oppenheimer & Co. told investors that he now expects the company to outstrip earnings estimates, thanks to spillover earnings from such late 1st-quarter film releases as "National Treasure II" and international sales from "Enchanted." Helfstein says he sees no signs of general economic malaise affecting the parks, and increased his 2nd-quarter estimates on the division's sales to $2.7 billion for the quarter, up from $2.6 billion, and operating income of $291 million vs. his previous forecast of $267 million. Not all company watchers have been so optimistic. Analyst Doug Creutz of Cowen & Co. recently said in a note to clients that big drops in consumer confidence often take their toll on Disney's parks. He wrote that similar drops in consumer confidence in 1990-91 and 2001-02 resulted in attendance drops of 10.8% and 4%, respectively. Creutz forecast that Disney park sales and operating profits would be down 2.7% and 10%, respectively, as the company tries to cope with a 3.3% drop in attendance. "We believe that Disney's parks and resorts segment is one of the most exposed business segments in the company to the impact of a potential recession," he wrote. Doug Mitchelson of Deutsche Bank Securities was more optimistic in his assessment. He said in a recent note that Disney might have been able to take advantage of price increases due to recent strong attendance, though he acknowledged that the current economic downturn might not be the best time to test such a step. Mitchelson also commented that Disney shares are at a low price-to-earnings ratio of 15. Disney stock reached that level during the 1987 stock-market crash, the 1990-91 recession and the 2001-02 recession. In each of those instances, shares went up by a 3rd within 6 months, he wrote. "We continue to believe that Disney has stronger long-term growth prospects than most investors expect." ---------------- Copyright =A9 2008 MarketWatch, Inc. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 06 08:25:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45386 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:25:17 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1266492wfa.15 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 08:25:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr397695wfg.99.1210087517652; Tue, 06 May 2008 08:25:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 08:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0805060825h25c06c44r3ab82d3dba17fabb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:25:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disneyland Tram in minor accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=_0h99b_2DqUn6mXql1ljLUjxNya5bwdlVdEp_tp4baCdHfxkxg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It wasn't Monorail Red, was it? I can't think of any reason for a monorail to suddenly up and strike a sign, unless it's the new one, which I thought wasn't carrying passengers yet? The link it's working right now, so I can't tell. Josh On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Alan wrote: > May 5, 2008 > Mouse Planet > http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=dl080505xx > > ANAHEIM, CA -- Friday morning, at the Disneyland Resort, a Disneyland > tram struck a sign as it made the turn leaving the Mickey and Friends > parking structure, causing minor damage to the back car of the tram. > > A few guests were treated at the scene for scratches, and the trams > were taken out of service for about 2 hours while the incident was > investigated. > > During this period park visitors who parked in the Mickey and Friends > structure were directed to walk to the Disneyland Resort, either by > taking a pedestrian path alongside the tram route or by walking > through Downtown Disney. > -------------- > (c) 2000-2008 MousePlanet > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue May 06 08:26:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4314 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:26:47 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d11so807367and.64 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 08:26:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.232.13 with SMTP id e13mr1069758anh.89.1210087607408; Tue, 06 May 2008 08:26:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.231.13 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 08:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0805060826p37a86077o657000bc8f1271be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:26:47 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0805060820n8a99a8ah70e32adc67dece6d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <165816ef0805060820n8a99a8ah70e32adc67dece6d@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Camel punching at Vallejo theme park leads to arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=UUvGVGjnI0PfM39EMz-PCEGsT0jbaYkgDADq7rn9XCYHLs8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska It's shocking to me that adults would act this way. Although I guess these days many 24 year olds are still little children. But I mean, come on, "I dare you to sneak in to that restricted area and punch the camel" "hur hur oh kay" Did they call the kid a chicken because he wouldnt do it at the first urge, or a camel lover? maybe a camel smoker? (only in specified areas of course). we're a nation of idiot children. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Adam Sandy wrote: > > > > > > > I think as hard as we are on park employees, it does help to remember > that they have to put up with idiots like this. The public's > stupidity can be staggering. > > Adam > who has heard of a donkey punch and camel toe...but never a camel punch > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 08:27:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69723 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:27:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:27:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0805060820n8a99a8ah70e32adc67dece6d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Camel punching at Vallejo theme park leads to arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=A4By1uDPbgOi8pJGODnE50xt8UzWnx_ORK7Rv9cABJBOO40 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 And it's not just the public who are idiots. This past weekend I saw one our employees (off duty of course), standing up in one of the log flume boats (Captain Morgan style). Idiocy knows no bounds. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wrote: > > I think as hard as we are on park employees, it does help to remember > that they have to put up with idiots like this. The public's > stupidity can be staggering. >=20 > Adam > who has heard of a donkey punch and camel toe...but never a camel punch > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 08:29:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19477 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:29:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:29:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0805060825h25c06c44r3ab82d3dba17fabb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disneyland Tram in minor accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vrUiLWMTplpJcW8SrzMTZ2yxD1m4ltk2xBfOpypvTrXjE48 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Josh, it was one of the Parking-lot trams. Not a monorail. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" wrote: > > It wasn't Monorail Red, was it? I can't think of any reason for a monorail > to suddenly up and strike a sign, unless it's the new one, which I thought > wasn't carrying passengers yet? >=20 > The link it's working right now, so I can't tell. >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Alan wrote: >=20 > > May 5, 2008 > > Mouse Planet > > http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=3Ddl080505xx > > > > ANAHEIM, CA -- Friday morning, at the Disneyland Resort, a Disneyland > > tram struck a sign as it made the turn leaving the Mickey and Friends > > parking structure, causing minor damage to the back car of the tram. > > > > A few guests were treated at the scene for scratches, and the trams > > were taken out of service for about 2 hours while the incident was > > investigated. > > > > During this period park visitors who parked in the Mickey and Friends > > structure were directed to walk to the Disneyland Resort, either by > > taking a pedestrian path alongside the tram route or by walking > > through Downtown Disney. > > -------------- > > (c) 2000-2008 MousePlanet > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 08:41:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26285 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:41:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:41:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?PR:_Tatweer_to_transform_=91FREEJ=92_into_major_theme_park?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sUhMN6_KJx_ulbl-e4FjWTU_zTEKeIz6SX8LmfDNm0cMMtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 6, 2008 AME Info http://www.ameinfo.com/155685.html DUBAI, UAE -- The announcement was made in the presence of His Highness Sheikh Majid Bin Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Chairman of the Dubai Culture and Arts Authority (DCCA) at a gala event celebrating the launch. Marking a defining moment in the UAE's cultural history, the fantasy world of FREEJ DUBAILAND (FJD) will be located in the heart of DUBAILAND and offer innovative rides, breathtaking attractions and fun-filled experiences. It will serve as a getaway destination for adventure lovers and leisure seekers, represented by its 4 main ambassadors, Um Saeed, Um Saloom, Um Allawi and Um Khammas. Pioneers in the leisure and entertainment industry, Tatweer demonstrates its commitment to raising the bar on home grown talent and spotlighting it alongside globally reputed theme parks that are currently being developed at the world's biggest destination for leisure, tourism and entertainment. It also underpins Tatweer's status as a major industry leader, relentlessly innovating its distinctive leisure and entertainment portfolio to attract more visitors. Saeed Al Muntafiq, Executive Chairman, Tatweer, said: "It is indeed a proud moment not just for Tatweer but for the whole of the UAE that the success and popularity of a home grown product is being recognised with a dedicated world-class theme park. "The launch of FJD is indicative of an ambitious growth plan for the FREEJ brand, transforming it from a TV series into a world class leisure and entertainment Arab intellectual property. Additionally, in recreating the world of FREEJ at Dubailand, we will provide an innovative regional touch to our entire offerings in line with Dubai Strategic Plan 2015, while further boosting the tourism sector." FJD will boast hotels totalling 2,600 keys, and feature retail, food and beverage outlets, as well as a spectrum of entertainment attractions. Comprising 1.2 million sq-ft of open space, it will welcome over 2 million visitors a day. Mohammed Saeed Harib, Chairman, LAMMTARA, and the creator of FREEJ, said: "Tatweer's decision to bring the FREEJ characters to life marks an extraordinary recognition of local creativity. The concept of FJD comes as a natural progression of the show's popularity that cuts across all age groups and genders. Reflecting world class standards and offering inspiring entertainment, we are confident FJD will prove to be as popular as its TV counterpart." Mohammed Al Habbai, CEO, Dubailand, said: "FJD will add holistic value to the entire development, complementing DUBAILAND's services and activities. As the first theme park born out of national talent, we consider this a landmark achievement. "In offering an unrivalled experience, FJD will further Dubai's strategic objective of evolving into one of the world's leading tourism destinations. Adding a new dimension to DUBAILAND's diverse bundle of leisure attractions, FJD will focus on the country's culture components as reflected through the eyes of the iconic FREEJ characters." FJD will be the first theme park to focus on Arab culture and creativity, heritage and achievement. Additionally, the 4 elderly ladies in FREEJ will act as ambassadors to each of the 4 distinct lands within the park =96 Window on UAE, Golden Age of Discovery as, Myths and Legends, and the Land of FREEJ that will be an exact replica of the famous neighbourhood that is portrayed on TV. The characters will also serve as storytellers in everything from rides and shows to retail, food and beverages, providing a glimpse into Dubai's unique past, present and future. The 3-billion sqft DUBAILAND, a member of Tatweer, comprises projects including DreamWorks Animation Park, Marvel Theme Park, Six Flags, HIT Entertainment, Universal Studios Dubailand, Global Village and other projects part of the destination include Dubai Sports City, Motor City, Dubai Outlet Mall, Al Sahra Desert Resort, Al Barari, The Polo and Equestrian Club, City of Arabia, Legends, Dubai Wheel and Falcon City of Wonders. --------------- =A9 1996 - 2008 AME Info FZ LLC / Emap Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 08:46:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34802 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.102) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:46:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:46:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cypress Gardens' new Splash Island water park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Wuna0EduYt72qTcTJUzQvVz4vIS5gNWocaTFu8L0lAJ-uf8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 5, 2008 Orlando Sentinel Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/chi-cypress-gardens-splash-island-stor= y,0,3101429.story By Scott Powers and Sara K. Clarke WINTER HAVEN, FL -- Cypress Gardens has opened the attraction's Splash Island water park, launched a new Web site and prepared for a series of concerts as its new owners and management dig in for their first summer season together. The 5 Splash Island attractions, which are included with a park admission, opened last Thursday at the Winter Haven theme park. Live entertainment begins today with the launch of Latin Fest 2008, featuring headliners Carlos Oliva, Ismael Miranda and Tito Nieves this weekend. Later this month, the park is bringing in Lynyrd Skynyrd. Standard park admission is $39.95 for adults and $34.95 for children ages 3-9 or seniors age 60 or older. Founded in 1936, the park has struggled against competition from the giant theme parks in recent decades. It was purchased last September for $17 million through a bankruptcy auction by South Adventures LLC of Mulberry. Baker Leisure Group, an Orlando-based theme-park planning and operations firm, took over management in January. Last week it launched the new Web site, cypressgardens.com. ------------------ Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel Copyright =A9 2008, Chicago Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 08:50:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88371 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:50:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:50:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Toy Story Midway Mania Preview X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IryL1yfyDi3y2UBR5IIHXCC5EFq-xDxRoGb7apr82jQTQJg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 5, 2008 Orlando Sentinel Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/chi-cypress-gardens-splash-island-stor= y,0,3\ 101429.story By Scott Powers and Sara K. Clarke LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Walt Disney World's next big new ride, Toy Story Midway Mania!, has undergone its employee preview opening and is set for a 3-day passholders-preview opening starting Saturday. The indoor ride, built in the old Who Wants to be a Millionaire Play It! building at Disney's Hollywood Studios, uses cutting-edge, 3-D technology to create an interactive, Toy Story-themed carnival experience. There is no word when the full public opening will take place, but a press preview is scheduled next week. An identical ride is opening this spring in Disney's California Adventure theme park at Disneyland resort in Southern California, with a reported $50 million price tag. The ride is not the only new item at Disney's Hollywood Studios. The street it is on -- located in the rear of Hollywood Studios -- has been transformed as well and renamed after Pixar Studios, allowing WDW to take advantage of that animation studio's success. ------------------ Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel Copyright =A9 2008, Chicago Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 08:53:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76169 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 15:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 15:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 15:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 15:53:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:53:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Animal Kingdom starting to eliminate McDonald's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=PKgOSjPqyk5rjfX86cWvIyoRaYpck4eVZEU3H5oY93TePr0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 5, 2008 Orlando Sentinel Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/chi-cypress-gardens-splash-island-stor= y,0,3\ 101429.story By Scott Powers and Sara K. Clarke LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Menu changes are afoot at the Restaurantosaurus restaurant in Disney's Animal Kingdom theme park, starting with the elimination of McDonald's-brand Chicken McNuggets and french fries. The McDonald's fries will still be offered elsewhere in the park, notably at the PetriFries snack counter nearby, a Walt Disney World spokeswoman said. But Disney will offer its own chicken nuggets and fries at Restaurantosaurus, along with a new dessert menu and a new menu for children's meals, spokeswoman Andrea Finger said. The McDonald's McNuggets and fries were replaced Sunday; the other changes kick in Wednesday. ------------------ Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel Copyright =A9 2008, Chicago Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 09:15:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11492 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 16:15:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 16:15:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 16:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 16:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 16:14:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 16:14:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dubai to get Legoland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rWIBsUZLjdI1tdjDA6TVyKlMV9ZGQmUT9xTAplUkzbb7lq0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 6, 2008 Monsters and Critics http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1403765.php/Du= bai_to_get_Legoland_theme_park_-_first_in_Gulf_region LONDON, UK -- Merlin Entertainments Group (MEG), the world's 2nd largest operator of visitor attractions, announced plans Tuesday to build a Legoland (LL) theme park in Dubai, its first outside the US and Europe. London-based MEG, which counts Legoland and Madame Tussauds among its many attractions, said it had formed a 'strategic alliance' with Tatweer, a member of Dubai Holdings, to create a LL Park in Dubai. The entertainment park is scheduled to open at the end of 2011, and will be part of a project to be known as Dubailand. It is expected to feature more than 40 interactive rides, shows and attractions geared towards families with children ages 2-12, the group said. The project will be similar to existing LL Parks in Denmark, Germany, Britain and California. The new partners were also looking "at a number of other potential developments, including the establishment of themed LL hotels," a statement said Tuesday. "Choosing this location for the new LL Park reflects the fact that Dubai is becoming a major holiday destination, not only for the region, but also for visitors worldwide," CEO Nick Varney said. The alliance with Tatweer was the "perfect way to offer families access to the LL experience," he said. Saeed Al Muntafiq, executive chairman of Tatweer, said: the group was "extremely proud" of its alliance with MEG. The partnership demonstrated the dedication "to deliver on the tourism objectives of Dubai Strategic Plan 2015,", he said.=20 -------------- =A9 2003 - 2008 by Monsters and Critics.com, WotR Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 09:21:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27164 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 16:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 16:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 16:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 16:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 16:21:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 16:21:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: R.L. Stine sets new Book series in theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ye0KE4y5RoKpoBNkQk68JejvJSJAqt45iXI92fwiq3s9RNE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 6th, 2008 The Washington Post The News/Tribune http://www.thenewstribune.com/soundlife/story/353198.html By Amy Orndorff NEW YORK, NY -- If you were one of the most popular writers of horror stories for kids, what would give you goosebumps? How about running out of ideas? "Oh, don't say it!" author R.L. Stine begs. Although he's spent more than 20 years writing for kids and teens, Stine isn't finished yet. The newest addition to his Goosebumps lineup is HorrorLand, a series of 12 books with 2 stories in each. One story features familiar Goosebumps characters; the other puts those characters in HorrorLand, a freaky new theme park. Here's the really cool part: The 2nd story in each book is ongoing and won't conclude until Book 12. The first 2 HorrorLand books =96 "Revenge of the Living Dummy" and "Creep From the Deep" =96 came out this month. The rest will follow at 2 books per month. As a scary theme park, HorrorLand lacks for nothing, including zombies and frozen eyeballs on a stick. Yum! To create this creepy place, Stine drew from his experience with amusement parks. "I love theme parks," he says in a phone interview from his home in New York City. "I would like to live at Disney World. I love it." After visiting the Florida theme park many times, Stine had a fairly good idea of what he wanted in his park. Kids often ask Stine how he deals with writer's block, a condition in which authors can't think of anything creative to write. He tells them that preparing before writing =96 by making maps and detailed outlines, for example =96 is one way to start. Stine says there is no formula for writing a good story, but some themes are common. As with his other books, HorrorLand stories contain lots of unexpected laughs. ------------- =A9 Copyright 2008 Tacoma News, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 06 09:27:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84248 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 16:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 16:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 16:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 16:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2008 16:27:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 16:27:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: News Bombardment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QMPHmPrE-Fvn9URXrSD3ZFUd8_7KFo3nRmTrDRQh7U01MmE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hey All, Sorry about the News Bombardment today. These 8 stories were from just 1 page on Google News! -Alan From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 06 09:36:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60095 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 16:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 16:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 16:36:33 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a43so987857rne.10 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 09:36:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.226.2 with SMTP id y2mr428618wfg.75.1210091792929; Tue, 06 May 2008 09:36:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 09:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0805060936vfe6a9d9lb97ed76301bbc498@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:36:32 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0805060825h25c06c44r3ab82d3dba17fabb@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Disneyland Tram in minor accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ox12gupU3UD1GbPcTgpxvxNi7OxQwYcIwZvP5qs8uLJo3UcJSw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah, I'm just an idiot, and I'm leaving in one day for WDW, so I've got monorail on the brain. :) -Josh On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Alan wrote: > Josh, it was one of the Parking-lot trams. Not a monorail. > -Alan > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Josh W" wrote: > > > > It wasn't Monorail Red, was it? I can't think of any reason for a > monorail > > to suddenly up and strike a sign, unless it's the new one, which I > thought > > wasn't carrying passengers yet? > > > > The link it's working right now, so I can't tell. > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Alan wrote: > > > > > May 5, 2008 > > > Mouse Planet > > > http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=dl080505xx > > > > > > ANAHEIM, CA -- Friday morning, at the Disneyland Resort, a Disneyland > > > tram struck a sign as it made the turn leaving the Mickey and Friends > > > parking structure, causing minor damage to the back car of the tram. > > > > > > A few guests were treated at the scene for scratches, and the trams > > > were taken out of service for about 2 hours while the incident was > > > investigated. > > > > > > During this period park visitors who parked in the Mickey and Friends > > > structure were directed to walk to the Disneyland Resort, either by > > > taking a pedestrian path alongside the tram route or by walking > > > through Downtown Disney. > > > -------------- > > > (c) 2000-2008 MousePlanet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From voicerodeo@gmail.com Tue May 06 13:33:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94127 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 20:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 20:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.224) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 20:33:38 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so407131wxd.12 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.36.16 with SMTP id j16mr1655444agj.105.1210106017583; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from LewisMobile ( [68.55.207.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1268257agb.11.2008.05.06.13.33.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 May 2008 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005201c8afb8$6ebe55f0$8201a8c0@LewisMobile> To: References: <76e1ec0a0805060825h25c06c44r3ab82d3dba17fabb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:33:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disneyland Tram in minor accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=YAwmrMgZKOKx3wWsvOm0pGnMBHlr023yVWkrqF15OJ6A1Qwp4A X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tram... not monorail..... the parking lot tram... the "train" that carries the people from the parking lot to the main entrance... ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh W To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disneyland Tram in minor accident It wasn't Monorail Red, was it? I can't think of any reason for a monorail to suddenly up and strike a sign, unless it's the new one, which I thought wasn't carrying passengers yet? The link it's working right now, so I can't tell. Josh On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Alan wrote: > May 5, 2008 > Mouse Planet > http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=dl080505xx > > ANAHEIM, CA -- Friday morning, at the Disneyland Resort, a Disneyland > tram struck a sign as it made the turn leaving the Mickey and Friends > parking structure, causing minor damage to the back car of the tram. > > A few guests were treated at the scene for scratches, and the trams > were taken out of service for about 2 hours while the incident was > investigated. > > During this period park visitors who parked in the Mickey and Friends > structure were directed to walk to the Disneyland Resort, either by > taking a pedestrian path alongside the tram route or by walking > through Downtown Disney. > -------------- > (c) 2000-2008 MousePlanet > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 06 14:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51241 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 21:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 21:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 21:06:43 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1219018ele.8 for ; Tue, 06 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.186.9 with SMTP id j9mr520031wff.284.1210108002701; Tue, 06 May 2008 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0805061406o361f24cfge25b68a3a9145f45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:06:42 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005201c8afb8$6ebe55f0$8201a8c0@LewisMobile> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0805060825h25c06c44r3ab82d3dba17fabb@mail.gmail.com> <005201c8afb8$6ebe55f0$8201a8c0@LewisMobile> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disneyland Tram in minor accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=jr8MNx5x8XdMuFjXHayhGNSv3lrYtS6bDH48zz3VA3iNZyeHGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah.... I get it, I've been to Disneyland. I already replied to... Alan about it. I wasn't thinking when I replied, as I'm leaving for WDW bright and early in the morning..... .. ...... Josh .... \ .... On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM, VoiceRodeo Gmail wrote: > tram... not monorail..... the parking lot tram... the "train" that > carries the people from the parking lot to the main entrance... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh W > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disneyland Tram in minor accident > > It wasn't Monorail Red, was it? I can't think of any reason for a monorail > to suddenly up and strike a sign, unless it's the new one, which I thought > wasn't carrying passengers yet? > > The link it's working right now, so I can't tell. > > Josh > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Alan > > wrote: > > > May 5, 2008 > > Mouse Planet > > http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=dl080505xx > > > > ANAHEIM, CA -- Friday morning, at the Disneyland Resort, a Disneyland > > tram struck a sign as it made the turn leaving the Mickey and Friends > > parking structure, causing minor damage to the back car of the tram. > > > > A few guests were treated at the scene for scratches, and the trams > > were taken out of service for about 2 hours while the incident was > > investigated. > > > > During this period park visitors who parked in the Mickey and Friends > > structure were directed to walk to the Disneyland Resort, either by > > taking a pedestrian path alongside the tram route or by walking > > through Downtown Disney. > > -------------- > > (c) 2000-2008 MousePlanet > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 06 15:49:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76317 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 22:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2008 22:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2008 22:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-101-159-225.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.159.225] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JtVyJ-000832-72 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 May 2008 18:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4820DF8F.7030308@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 18:45:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478fc420cc94b69953a390ea345cd40502795afc45e41b285e3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Camel punching at Vallejo theme park leads to arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=qcTB36onH9A_m3uEAIVmc2g3uJvcuimndVxcD3mjpLMLkwk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > > > And it's not just the public who are idiots. > > This past weekend I saw one our employees (off duty of course), > standing up in one of the log flume boats (Captain Morgan style). > > Idiocy knows no bounds. > -Alan > I do hope that he was fired. On duty or not, he sets the example. Heck, if even one of my kids was seen doing something like that I would likely lose my job at Disney (but not before I'd killed the kid for being so stupid) And yeah, some of the stupidity you can see at parks is amazing some times... "What time is the 3 o'clock parade?" (yes, we seriously get asked that) "When did they move the giant hat from the Magic Kingdom to the Studios?" (At MGM Studios) "Where's the castle?" (about 3 miles north- that way) (At Studios again) "Where can I get the monorail from here to Animal Kingdom?" "I'm sorry maam, the monorail doesn't run here or at Animal Kingdom, it only has connections at Magic Kingdom and Epcot." "No it doesn't. I rode it into this park this morning." "Then they must have torn the monorail down outside after you arrived today, because it's really not there." (about a 10 minute conversation condensed down) I could go on and on... :) Keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed May 07 07:27:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88303 invoked from network); 7 May 2008 14:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2008 14:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2008 14:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2008 14:27:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2008 14:27:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 14:27:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Disney's Biggest Theme Park Mistakes (long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X2-C6_2RB22846Dun0CCA05p_Hv9uBhJyUEhJGqIwv2drsk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 5, 2008 The Laughing Place http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID512110.asp by Greg Maletic It all started as my wife and I were walking back through Anaheim's Downtown Disney last year, heading towards our room at the Disneyland (DL) Hotel. Not for the first time, I noticed the iconic "DL Hotel" red neon sign missing, and an old sentiment re-awakened: "what moron decided to get rid of that sign?" At the start of every DL trip -- short of seeing the Matterhorn from Harbor Blvd -- was there anything more evocative than that old sign? Yeah, I know: there's some sort of Anaheim zoning regulation that precludes giant neon signs illuminating a radius of several city blocks. Maybe Disney put up a good fight in trying to keep the sign, but still...it seems like there are alternatives that could have preserved the sign's essence while complying with the regulation. Didn't anyone at Disney find that sign as special as I did? I didn't stop there. Riding a wave of righteous indignation, I thought to myself: what other mistakes has Disney made? This list is the result. Unlike the DL sign fiasco, I decided to focus on what I consider to be the big mistakes: genuine blunders that have cost the company not just millions of dollars, but goodwill as well. (The "little" mistakes, like leaving that ridiculous Epcot wand up for a decade, will get their own article soon enough.) Be warned: I'm going negative here. And to keep my intentions clear, I love the parks. I'm just sayin' there have been a few missteps along the way. In no particular order, here we go... No Follow-Up to Pirates (PotC) and Haunted Mansion (HM) PotC and HM are the most famous attractions at Disney parks. PotC opened in 1967; HM in 1969. Ask people today what the best theme park ride is of all time and it's likely they'll mention one of these two. So it's with incredible confusion I ask: why hasn't Disney built any rides even remotely like these 2 in nearly 40 years? And by "like," I mean, long, meandering, atmospheric rides. Don't get me wrong: I love the faster-paced rides like Indiana Jones and Tower of Terror that have been the focus in recent years. But what the heck is going on? The Disney filmmaking division doesn't let a hit-making formula pass them by...why is this one sitting in the Imagineering cellar gathering dust? Hyper-Marketing, Part 1: The Disney Vacation Club (DVC) During a trip to Walt Disney World (WDW) in 1996 I couldn't help but notice the fantastically huge number of "DVC" signs, kiosks, and information booths that had sprung up in every park and hotel. The sense of being constantly marketed to in the parks isn't a completely new one, but the omnipresent DVC pitch took it to a new level. It's annoying and obnoxious. You'd think the fact that visitors to Disney parks have already willingly trapped themselves in a non-stop ad for the company would demand a little subtlety on Disney's part when they attempt to coax yet more dollars from them. You'd be wrong. And with the addition of DVC condominiums at Anaheim's Grand Californian, the situation is very likely to be duplicated in DL. I can't wait. The DVC Itself I don't begrudge the idea of people wanting to own a part of the Disney parks. I don't doubt that some people have had very nice vacations as a result of the DVC, and gotten some good deals. But I question the result of letting people both 1) feel like they do own the place, and 2) the resultant loss of quality that comes from any vacation plan where your money is taken in advance, the proprietor doesn't have to work for it, and in effect, is really hoping that you won't even show up. The verdict is still out on whether the DVC is truly a mistake, but I'm skeptical. =20 Hyper-Marketing, Part 2: Disney's Name on Absolutely Everything Is there anything more fatiguing that the constant use of the Disney name on every single property/technology/concept that the company employs at its theme parks? Does "FastPass" really have to be called "Disney's FastPass?" Does the Grand Floridian have to be "Disney's Grand Floridian?" In the case of the hotels I at least see the logic -- the company wants to distinguish between hotels it runs and hotels that it doesn't -- but that doesn't make it any less annoying. Or silly. It's naive to think that guests will actually comprehend that there are hotels on Disney property that aren't run by Disney. (How many guests understand that the Swan is not a Disney hotel because it's called the "Walt Disney World Swan" rather than "Disney's Swan?") Here's a better idea that's a lot simpler: force the Swan and the Dolphin to call themselves the Westin Swan and Dolphin. Then the Contemporary can just be the "Contemporary Resort," "Disney's Polynesian" becomes the "Polynesian," etc. Problem solved. Same Pricing for All Parks At a given resort, Disney always charges the same admission price for each theme park. Here's the marketing reason: all of its magical wonderlands need to seem equally special. Here's the reality: they're not all equally special. And nobody thinks they are. What trick does Disney think they're trying to pull? Who would think that California Adventure (DCA) was as good as DL, even assuming they thought DCA was a wonderful place to begin with? DL is known world-over as the best. It has 3 times as many attractions, including landmark ones that any American could name off the top of their head. It has the Disney characters that little kids want to see. How could anyone in their right mind think that these 2 parks are equivalent products? And why would Disney want to promote them as such? It's delusional. DCA unquestionably had many problems when it opened, but pricing it identically to DL was an astonishingly naive mistake that exacerbated all of its issues. What could possibly be wrong with sending a signal that a brand new, significantly smaller park may be -- just may be -- not as good as the world's greatest? WDW "Urban Planning" WDW was supposed to be Walt's dreams of urban planning made incarnate. Yet here we are 37 years later: could the place be laid out any worse? "EPCOT," The Name A less appealing name would be hard to think up, but worst of all, it has utterly nothing to do with the park that was actually built. Did they really think that by choosing the name that Walt used (and who knows what attachment he really had to it) that they were satisfying Walt's dream, despite the fact that they'd -- rightly or not -- totally changed everything about his design? But the problem is worse than an ugly name. What to build in this park? What -not- to build? Disney seems confused. The fact that the name of the park means nothing must have something to do with this confusion. EPCOT, The Place It isn't that Epcot doesn't have its moments. World Showcase can be charming and features some good restaurants. (San Angel Inn ... I'm looking at you as the notable, terrible exception.) Future World, at its very best, can be inspiring. So when I call it one of Disney's biggest mistakes, it doesn't mean that I hate the place. It just means that I wonder what Disney could have done with a similar amount of money had they not felt obligated to carry through with a watered-down version of Walt's dream. A more tightly-focused, World Showcase-like shopping mall, not burdened with the baggage of Future World? A Magic Kingdom "plussed" beyond all reason? An American DisneySea? Something better than any of those? Just mentioning the park generates a guaranteed laugh when it crops up on "The Simpsons" or any stand-up comedy routine. Disney's other parks don't generate the same kind of snickers: something is wrong. 2 Parks =3D Resort 2 of Disney's biggest messes in the past 20 years have been in Paris and Anaheim, thanks to a devotion to the idea that adding a cheap 2nd park to a location turns it into a place that people will plan their vacations around. We've seen the results, and the lesson is clear: you can't just call a place a "resort" and expect people to automatically stay for a week. It worked in Orlando, but people had been taking winter breaks to Florida for years; WDW just gave them a more exciting and convenient way to do that. Though people love traveling to Paris, they aren't looking for a resort. Same for Anaheim. Both of these locations seem to be turning things around, but the concept of "2 parks =3D resort" should be buried. =20 Setting a Park's Budget DL Paris was too expensive. DCA, Walt Disney Studios Paris, and Hong Kong DL were too cheap. A more complicated problem in finance would be difficult to find, but clearly, the Walt Disney Company hasn't got its formula straight. Disney's America Disney's incredibly lucky that this park wasn't built. I wrote about it in an earlier column about DCA, which I'll quote here: "Disney executives should thank their lucky stars that that park wasn't built in Virginia, California, or anywhere else. One can imagine after the first 2 years of lackluster attendance (as evidence, think for a minute: can you come up with any great ideas for new attractions in WDW's Liberty Square? Have any of your most promising ideas for future Disney attractions been situated there?) roller coasters, white water rafting rides, and simulators would flood the park, trivializing its mission and thereby becoming exactly what its detractors said it would be all along." The sad part, however, is that in simply announcing the park the damage was already done. Disney became the company that destroyed Civil War battlefields; the company with the gall to imply that American history was too complex and intimidating for the average citizen to understand without having Mickey Mouse hold their hand. Sprinkling Disney Characters on Something Makes It Better Looking at it from today's super-synergized marketing perspective, it's amazing -- and I mean stunning -- that the theme park that Walt Disney unveiled to the world in 1955 devoted only 20% of its real estate to the characters that had made him famous. Fantasyland was where the characters lived, but the rest of the park was devoted half to Disney's own childhood, and half to the hobbies and interests that dominated his life after he'd became less enamored with animated films. That the Disney characters weren't very important to 1955's DL isn't necessarily a condemnation of the movie take-over that's been in full swing since the early '90s. But it is a reminder that those characters aren't necessary to making the park a fun and relevant* experience to guests. DL became a sensation in its own right; the movie tie-ins were secondary. That they're perceived as essential now is an idea that, at the very least, can be questioned. *relevant: a word that should never be used when describing features in a Disney park (see this article) Disney Substitutes "Fake" for "Real," Even When Real is Cheaper and Better Finally, here's one that I think Disney fans don't notice very much, but I believe this to be the #1 reason that those not enamored with the Disney parks are...well, not enamored. It's a massive blind spot that the company has never seemed to rid itself of. At the end of Disney's CircleVision tour of Canada in that country's Epcot pavilion, audiences are treated to a song written especially for the attraction, "Canada (You're A Lifetime Journey)." This film is designed to communicate the majesty and grandeur that is Canada, yet somehow, Disney decided that real Canadian music can't convey that feeling adequately; instead, they hired the guy who wrote the "Universe of Energy" theme song to tell you this in more explicit terms. C'mon: there isn't any actual Canadian music that would communicate this idea even more spectacularly, and in a more authentic fashion? None? This "Disney-magic-is-better-than-reality" problem reached its apex in the previously-mentioned Disney's America, with Disney seeming to imply that Washington D.C. and an authentic Civil War battlefield weren't up to the task of telling America's story. But this problem crops up in smaller ways in the rest of Disney's parks. Disney's Hollywood Studios is a tribute to the movies, yet you won't see any movies there. Rather than be given the opportunity to see, say, the climactic scene from Casablana acted out by legendary actors, instead, we're treated to the mostly terrible Great Movie Ride, where we get to see that same scene from Casablanca acted out incredibly unconvincingly by a pair of animatronic figures. If "The Movies" are really deserving of a tribute as grand as Disney's Hollywood Studios, why do we get the animatronic substitute, when the film version would be more entertaining to watch, tie more directly to the park's mission, and wouldn't require the expenditure of millions of dollars in research and development? And 1 final example, in this quote from Joe Rohde, discussing the Animal Kingdom (AK) park: "Each Disney theme park has a centrally-located defining monument - a castle, a huge sphere, a mountain =96 that iconically ironically defines the park as space, and as story. Because of our themes, the AK team was driven towards a natural icon. We developed the "Tree of Life", a 140'-tall sculpted tree composed entirely of the shapes of animals from every realm of the AK." Yet it didn't occur to the team that built AK that a "140'-tall sculpted tree" is not a "natural icon?" It's cement and plastic. There's nothing natural about it. Again, we see this ongoing pattern: nothing "real" could possibly be grand enough for this park; we're going to have to fake it up to adequately convey to you just how amazing the natural world is. Was this irony lost on everyone who worked on this park? To be clear about the point I'm trying to make, I'm not saying that "Canada (You're A Lifetime Journey)" is a bad song. Nor is the Tree of Life ugly; in fact, it's pretty amazing. Disney's execution tends to be excellent. But sometimes Disney plays into the hands of those who would paint the parks as being vapid and artificial with its frequent assumption that everything can be improved with a little Disney Magic. 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--YCalReminder=Cb8zOf3J8tTD6Tz0iqWapCM4EPBsTST1210225806-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 08 06:38:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6849 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 13:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 13:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.167) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 13:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 13:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 13:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 13:38:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 13:38:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park CEO expects good summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=oj0yTk-Mp-N6Ca0gTSbpyg1MUIL7vO0yEkB2SkpTuGxFRb8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 8, 2008 The Associated Press Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-oh-amusementpark-eco,0,3196556.st= ory By John Seewer SANDUSKY, OH -- Amusement parks and water parks aren't likely to see a drop off in visitors this summer despite surging gas prices and the struggling economy, the head of North America's 3rd-largest park operator says. Families and teens still will come to ride roller coasters and gobble up funnel cakes and corn dogs, but they'll probably spend less on games and souvenirs, said Richard Kinzel, CEO of Cedar Fair (CF) Entertainment Co. "It's always been sort of recession resistant," Kinzel said Wednesday. "That's what we're hoping for and that's what usually has happened in the past." CF operates 11 U.S. amusement parks, including Cedar Point (CP) in Sandusky and Kings Island near Cincinnati, and 6 outdoor water parks, as well as Canada's Wonderland amusement park near Toronto. It operates Michigan's Adventure in Muskegon, MI. Nearly 2 years ago, it paid $1.24 billion to buy 5 parks from Paramount Parks Inc. The deal made CF the 3rd-largest in terms of attendance. Most of its parks now are operating and its flagship, CP, opens Saturday. New this year at its parks are 18 live shows, 3 thrill rides and 5 roller coasters, including Behemoth at Canada's Wonderland in Toronto, which will be Canada's tallest, fastest and longest roller coaster. Kinzel, who was set to retire before the deal with Paramount, is entering his 37th year in the amusement industry and has 3 more years left on his contract. He got his start in 1972 at CP supervising food stands along the midway. 3 years later, he became the park's director of operations. He's been through tough economic times before and is confident the business will be fine. "People are always looking for an escape," he said. "It's always been a great form of entertainment. CP has been going since 1870." Gas prices will keep families closer to home, which should benefit CF's regional parks that are spread throughout the country, he said. "It really is a cheaper alternative than going to Florida or California or the lake for a week," Kinzel said. He told The Associated Press that there are some encouraging signs already. Season pass and group sales are up over last year, although hotel reservations are down. Some families may be planning shorter stays this year because of the economy, Kinzel said. The Walt Disney Co. said Tuesday that attendance at its parks in California and Florida were up 5% in the first 3 months of this year. It credited a weak U.S. dollar with keeping Americans closer to home and attracting tourists from abroad. Visitors to CF parks will find higher food prices this year. The company increased prices by a nickel or so after its food costs came in 4% higher over the winter. "Unfortunately, we have to pass it along," Kinzel said. Online promotions have allowed CF executives to make quicker pricing changes on tickets if they see a drop in attendance or guest spending inside the parks, Kinzel said. "You can throw a discount out there very quickly if you need it to energize attendance," he said. The company expects to have $100 million in online sales this year, he said. "It was zero not too long ago," Kinzel said. For now, though, he's just as concerned with how weather will affect the upcoming season and making sure the seasonal employees greet guests with a smile. That's because visitors are looking to have fun and forget about how much they're spending, he said. "They expect value for their dollar because it doesn't go as far as it used to," Kinzel said. -------------- Copyright 2008 Associated Press Copyright =A9 2008, Chicago Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 08 06:53:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87538 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 13:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 13:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 13:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 13:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 13:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 13:53:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 13:53:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: India Amusement parks finest place of retreat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1lQMB74EDEVUEVODjk-bMv__6Hpd7WySqbAeeqJ9UqAV3Zo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8 May, 2008 The Economic Times http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Corporate_Trends/Amusement_parks_finest= _place_of_retreat/articleshow/3020359.cms By Nandini Sivakumar & Gayathri Gururajan INDIA -- Come summer and the vacations are incomplete without a trip to an amusement park. Not just kids, even adults look forward to these outings. According to the Indian Association of Amusement Parks and Industries (IAAPI), the size of the Indian amusement park business is estimated to be around Rs 4,000 crore, and is expected to grow 6% annually till 2010. Southern States account for a lion's share of the business, according to Mr VGP Ravidas, managing director of the VGP Group, which set up the VGP Golden Beach Amusement Park in Chennai as early as 1975. "If you look at Delhi and NCR, there is just Fun and Food Village (Gurgaon). If you take Mumbai, there is only one big player =97 Essel World =97 and many smaller ones. In the south, on the other hand, there are many players who are reasonably big. In Tamil Nadu, for instance, there are 10 big parks, 4 of which are in Chennai =97VGP Universal, Kishkinta, MGM Dizzeeworld, Queensland and a smaller water park," says Ravidas, who is also the president of IAAPI. Theme parks are ideal for family get-togethers, feels Ravidas. "Amusement parks enhance family bonding, unlike going for a movie, as the family spends time together for the whole day," he says. Medical tourism has also boosted VGP's business. "When patients come to the city for treatment, they usually bring family members along, who put our park on their list of to-dos. That is how we get a large number of people from eastern states," Ravidas says. But if you thought theme parks were meant only for families and kids, think again. In a report titled Beyond Amusement released this March by Wonder La Holidays (part of the V-Guard group that runs Wonder La in Bangalore), it is mentioned that a large number of professionals (66%) believe offsite meetings at an amusement park can act as a bridge-building exercise among employees. "About 10% of our customers are corporates. We have conference rooms and auditoriums within the campus where they can hold meetings," says Wonder La Holidays managing director Arun K Chittilappilly. Started in late 2005, the park, spread over 85 acres, has seen an investment of Rs 105 crore till date. It gets 1,900 visitors a day on an average , but is as high as 8,000 during weekends and holidays. The other southern states are not faring badly either. Elles World, Ocean Park and Treasure Island in and around Hyderabad are some of the amusement parks in Andhra Pradesh. Even Kerala has 9, some of them being Veegaland, Fantasy Park (Kerala's first amusement park), Dream World and Silver Storm Water. Karnataka, although a slow starter, is picking up speed and has Fun World, Wonder La and GRS Fantasy Park to name the prominent ones. Veegaland in Kochi, another offering of the V-Guard group was started in 2000 and has had about 65 lakh [1 lakh =3D 100,000] visitors till date. "We have all-inclusive tickets in both parks. But, the Kochi market is more price-sensitive than Bangalore. So, our Veegaland tickets are cheaper than those of Wonder La," Chittilappilly says. It was all work and no fun for Coimbatoreans till a decade ago. But sensing the spending potential and the increasing inflow of tourists to the nearby Ooty, the LA Group opened its Black Thunder Theme Park & Resorts in 1995. Nestled in the foothills of the Nilgiris, its target customers are children, adolescents and youngsters in the age bracket of 20-40. "I chose that place because of the uninterrupted water supply (vital for water games), salubrious climate and, most importantly, because it was away from the bustling city life," says LA Group executive director A Joseph Vincent. He admits that his business depends on the tourist inflow to Ooty. "During peak season, April-May and Christmas holidays, we do less promotional activities as by now we are well-known. During off-season, we offer school and corporate packages," Vincent adds. But Coimbatore remained a Spartan society till recently. In 2007, Erodebased Maharaja group came to the city with the Rs-25 crore Maharaja Theme Parks & Resorts on the prime Avinashi Road. Billed as the first-of-its-kind in Coimbatore, some of the facilities of this park include 2 cinemas, a mini golf course, water games, separate rides for family and children and conference and party halls. While it can accommodate about 2,000 people at a time, the average footfall of this park ranges between 300-400 a day during season and a mere 50 during off-season. "That's because the concept is new to Kovaiites and we need to go in for aggressive marketing," says Maharaja Theme Parks and Resorts managing director P Sathiyamoorthy. Vincent feels Coimbatore is yet to open up from its traditional mindset. "Once the corporate culture catches on and the much-awaited IT companies enter Coimbatore, we will surely have larger number of visitors," he points out. Ravidas feels the industry has a great potential to grow. "Amusement parks will come up wherever the population is more than 10 lakh," he says. The way forward, he says, is for the government to work with private players. He cites the example of Andhra Pradesh and West Bengal, where the State governments have given land on lease for setting up such parks. --------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Times Internet Limited From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 08 07:00:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38234 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 14:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 14:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.116) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 14:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:00:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:00:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Memories of White Swan Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EZMdu5UC758RoiL_ckPgj4fHUZb9dXDpucVvUrIDed5TER8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 08, 2008 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08129/879758-57.stm CORAOPOLIS, PA -- White Swan Park (WSP) didn't have the fastest roller coasters like West View Park, and it really wasn't a place classmates gathered each spring for school picnics like Kennywood Park. But the small amusement park that occupied the land at what is now the junction of SR-60 and Business Route 60 on the border of Findlay and Moon still was a popular spring and summer attraction for corporate, group and civic events. All that's left today are the memories. WSP was torn down to clear a path for the relocation of SR-60 and access to the new Pittsburgh International Airport after the 1989 season -- its 34th year of operation. The park occupied about 40 acres and featured a kiddie park and 15 rides such as the Galaxy, a merry-go-round, the Scrambler, a Ferris wheel, Tilt-A-Whirl, Mad Mouse roller coaster, a giant slide and a train billed as "the longest train ride in the Tri-State." WSP also had a pavilion of midway games, 6 picnic shelters, a Skee-Ball building, a miniature golf course and a refreshment stand. WSP opened in 1955 with 7 rides. After it closed, the amusements and other artifacts were sold at auction. The Mad Mouse, for example, was moved to a park in Altoona, and the Galaxy was shipped to Lubbock, TX. What many people remember most fondly about WSP (named because of the original idea to put swans on the lakes on park grounds) were the park's operators -- a brother and sister team, Roy Todd and Margaret Kleeman, who, along with Mrs. Kleeman's husband, built the park. Mrs. Kleeman died in 1998. "She knew the value of an education," said her son, William Kleeman, of Moon, in her obituary notice. "She paid a few tuitions for kids who otherwise wouldn't have been able to go to college." According to the story, more than 5,000 high school and college students worked at the park in 34 years. "She took a personal interest in those kids, encouraged them to stay in school and tried to keep them on the straight and narrow," said Nancy Kury, Mrs. Kleeman's daughter-in-law and a former park employee. Mrs. Kleeman saw to it that good work in the classroom also paid off for the park's younger customers. They would line up with their report cards, and she would give them 4 amusement tickets for every A and 2 tickets for every B. "Kids who lived out of state would bring their report cards when they visited their grandparents here," William Kleeman said. "She loved it." ----------- Copyright =A91997 - 2008 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu May 08 07:06:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97842 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 14:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 14:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 14:06:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56576 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2008 14:06:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f6l5fccVM1kjJQvMW63tgi47H8ZG.lhbi1jpk64ghIlRKFVUZLNgd7NEmi4S2rIbBDNAD8hSOa8SDgBrjm6wGLndNne32g6MmsZLEpLyhCzj5zIrMwi3ssIPSg-- X-Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2008 07:06:07 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <884488.56045.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Camel punching at Vallejo theme park leads to arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=9xtgKGPXHQru2oGvjJTBoK6DAMmyi-hJF4-VTTfsNTZ3iSGH X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 And remember, these people's votes count just the same as yours.... --- Alan wrote: > And it's not just the public who are idiots. > > This past weekend I saw one our employees (off duty > of course), > standing up in one of the log flume boats (Captain > Morgan style). > > Idiocy knows no bounds. > -Alan > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam > Sandy" > wrote: > > > > I think as hard as we are on park employees, it > does help to remember > > that they have to put up with idiots like this. > The public's > > stupidity can be staggering. > > > > Adam > > who has heard of a donkey punch and camel > toe...but never a camel punch > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 08 07:19:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20615 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 14:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 14:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 14:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:19:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:19:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Wild West World's Potential New Owner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hcmgKLGoEvXMokzrND1IkpsRfvtaJjZpLLPfTNn9LN195Q0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May. 08, 2008 The Wichita Eagle http://www.kansas.com/business/retail/story/397207.html By Bill Wilson TULSA, OK -- Jerry Murphy has a lot to do if he lands Wild West World (WWW). Nothing bigger, he admits, than getting Wichitans to buy back into the park. Murphy, 69, the president of Tulsa-based Murphy Brothers Exposition, is the face and amusement-park expert for a partnership that has bid $2 million to buy the bankrupt theme park. A U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge in Wichita will be asked this morning to approve the sale, bankruptcy lawyer Ed Nazar said. And if the deal closes on May 30 as planned, Murphy and his partners face months of planning before opening WWW in 2009. Murphy thinks his biggest challenge is convincing Wichitans who lost money on WWW season tickets to buy into his concept of fun and higher-quality refreshments. Murphy's not Thomas Etheredge, from his ever-present wry grin to the 6-figure Mercedes he and his partners tool around in. "You'll notice I don't wear a cowboy hat," said Murphy, flashing that grin from behind his Elvis-style sunglasses. Murphy operates the midway at 10 state fairs. The centerpiece of his entertainment operation is the 24-y.o. Big Splash Water Park in Tulsa. From 50 years of running carnivals and amusement parks comes the core philosophy Murphy will bring to Wichita: "People like thrills," he said. "It used to be the freak show, you know... but now our task is to provide all sorts of opportunities for fun: family rides, thrill rides and the more quiet kinds of rides for the younger folks." The Wichita plan Murphy has a multipoint plan to revive the park, which went bankrupt about two months after Etheredge opened it last May. The plan is built around scaled-down admission prices -- somewhere around $15 -- and the hope of kickstarting the park in summer 2009 with attendance of about 200,000. "We begin by guaranteeing our customers safe, clean fun," Murphy said. "And we give value for the dollar. There are so very many places you can go to spend your entertainment dollar." The plan includes: =95 At least one, and possibly 2, steel roller coasters "It's difficult to give people the quality they're going to find in a $100 million theme park," Murphy said. "But you have to try. "It's pretty hard to sell a pizza if you leave out the pepperoni. Roller coasters are a very integral part an amusement park, and I won't do a park without one." =95 More park infrastructure, including hydraulics, for up to 30 rides =95 A Main Street overhaul, which could include more sit-down restaurants that meet Murphy's commitment to high-quality food or space leased to vendors What he won't have on Main Street are park-owned stores filled with trinkets. Some estimates put the pre-bankruptcy value of Etheredge's inventory in that area at $500,000. =95 Increased emphasis on the park's gaming area "I'll tell you one thing he (Etheredge) did right," Murphy said. "He built a great gaming area. We'd like to use high-quality games there and set them up to encourage winning. That's where the high-quality prizes would come in." =95 Shade Murphy said he was stunned by the lack of natural and man-made shade on the park grounds. "It certainly needs a bunch of shrubbery and greenery," he said. "And you need cabanas or something similar around the park, maybe with misters. I mean, all you'd do out there is broil." =95 Remaking the park's lake Exactly what Murphy would do with the lake isn't clear. What is clear is that he'll do something, whether it is fountains, the installation of paddleboat rides or something similar. "Lots of wasted space at that park," he said. "We did our water park in 10 acres. You could have put that park in 10 acres." =95 A new brand WWW is no more if Murphy buys the park. Job one is to divorce the new park from any vestige of Etheredge and the bankruptcy. "I'm not sure what we'd do," he said. "We're thinking right now a contest to let Wichitans decide what to call it." Only strong brands can survive negative publicity, said Tom Bertels, managing partner of Sullivan Higdon & Sink in Wichita. "In the case of WWW, the brand was tarnished from financial woes and disappointed consumers and investors who felt let down when the park closed suddenly," Bertels said in an e-mail. "The chance for the park to fulfill its brand promise fell through, and when that happens, starting fresh with a new brand would likely increase the chances of success." =95 Filling the Johnny Western Theatre with events Murphy said he already has promoters interested in the building. He would like to put an eclectic mix of events in there, from dinner theaters to concerts, on an 11-month schedule. =95 Getting WWW's customers back Don't throw those WWW season passes away. Murphy plans to cut the park's disappointed customers a deal. "Not sure yet, but we'll do some sort of a discount, maybe some passes, a reduced-price season pass that first year, something like that," he said. The businessman For a man who grew up as a risk-taker, it shouldn't be a surprise that entertainment is merely Murphy's core business. He's in the granite business with partner Garrett Bolks. They also are marketing an anti-staph spray and a mask that kills bacteria. Plus, he has an amusement park branch in China. "I really enjoy people, and they're all a little different in every setting," Murphy said. "I'm kind of a creature who likes to go after a challenge. Can't say I always finish them. I like to get them started and then hand them off to someone, then go do the next project." It's that expertise and love of challenges that convinced Park City officials and Wichita real estate brokers that Murphy could succeed. "The amount of expertise he has and the time he's been in business sold me," said Grant Tidemann of J.P. Weigand & Sons, who's brokering the park sale for the bankruptcy court. "Even though it's a little bit different than WWW, he does know that business, and anyone with his kind of longevity has a leg up from the start." Jack Whitson, Park City's administrator, agreed. "That's what went wrong out there," Whitson said. "It's not that Thomas (Etheredge) was a bad businessman, but he got out of his element, and his ego wouldn't let him believe that. "With Jerry, this is his element." -------------- Copyright 2008 The Wichita Eagle and Kansas.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 08 07:31:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92784 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 14:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 14:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 14:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:31:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:31:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Lake Winnie Celebrates Mothers Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Y5CzlDjrTYxE_YdhxVmslOtWnmW2j4aefAmz6ZAq2W-yGTo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 5, 2008 News Channel 9 http://www.newschannel9.com/news/day_968443___article.html/lake_winnepesauk= ah.html By Richard Simms ROSSVILLE, GA -- Looking for a special treat for Mom on Mother's Day? Let her be a kid again at Lake Winnepesaukah (LW)! On Mother's Day, Sunday, May 11 from Noon-8:00pm, LW offers family fun with a discounted carload rate. All guests to LW, this Mother's Day, will pay only $65.00 per carload of up to 5 guests! Put a smile on Mom's face and plan a day of family fun at LW this Mother's Day. Bring the whole family! Each car of guests will receive gate admission and unlimited rides for only $65.00 per carload of up to 5 guests. Additional guests are also discounted! Dare Mom to enter the OH-ZONE!, the 14-story freefall that plummets riders to the ground at a breathtaking 4.6Gs! Families can glide through the air aboard the Wave Swinger or enjoy a leisurely countryside tour in the Antique Cars. Mom can ride with the kids on the Bumble Bees & Whale rides and enjoy classic attractions that have been part of the park for generations, including the antique Carrousel, The Boat Chute, and the world-famous Cannon Ball Roller Coaster. Coming soon, the all-new Stay & Play Hideaway (S&PH), an interactive play area for guests of all ages to enjoy, refresh, and recoup during a day of fun at LW is nearing completion. Runaround Playground, the first of 3 new areas in the S&PH, will feature slides and adventuresome activities that will delight younger guests. "All of the S&PH is in direct response to our guests' requests for more places to relax and recharge during an excitement-filled day in the park," offered Talley Green of LW. Treat the whole family to an unforgettable time this Mother's Day at LW, the South's favorite family amusement park. Sunday, May 11, each carload of up to 5 guests pays only $65.00 for gate admission and unlimited rides. Parking is always free! LW has been recognized as one of "America's Top Ten Family Amusement Parks" by Travel & Leisure Magazine. For more information, visit us at www.lakewinnie.com or call 1-877-LAKEWIN. -------------- Copyright 2008 Freedom Communications, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 08 07:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32113 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 14:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 14:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 14:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:43:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:43:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_UK_Fairground_tenants_not_amused_by_=A32m_plan?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=66H3uZ6V2RyY_TmU7tlztFQORDVHisgVr5INVnT3ez0iAUE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08 May 2008 The Shields Gazette http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/Fairground-tenants-not-amused-by.4062912= .jp By Angela Reed SOUTH SHIELDS, TYNE & WEAR, UK -- A leisure boss is facing opposition over a seafront family entertainment centre from fellow fairground tenants =96 and some of his own family. At least 17 ride operators, stall holders and caterers have voiced their opposition to the proposed development at Ocean Beach Pleasure Park (OBP) in South Shields. As revealed by the Gazette, Michael Sheeran, owner of M & J Sheeran Amusements, wants to build a =A32m indoor facility to attract more visitors in bad weather. It will include a 4D cinema, go-kart track, climbing wall, pool hall and places to eat. But opponents, including Sheeran's brother and sister-in-law, say it is not offering anything new. And they have warned that smaller businesses - some of which have been in families for generations - could fold due to extra competition. Sally Sheeran, who owns Oasis Amusements with husband Joseph, said: "Mr Sheeran does not speak for the whole of OBP when he professes this is going to be great for the seafront. "Many operators on the fairground are genuinely concerned this could signal economic disaster for some businesses. "It is going to be the end of the amusement park as it is now." Kenneth Reader, managing director of KW Reader & Sons, which owns the Dunes, said: "It is vitally important any new developments to this area offer something new for visitors. "More of the same will simply discourage return visits and reduce visitor numbers." The suggested location of the 2-storey centre, at the main entrance to the park in Sea Road, has also caused concern. Ride operator Francis Newsome said: "It is of such a size as to block practically any view of the park and its amenities from the passer-by. "This has proven to be detrimental to other seaside amusement parks in Whitley Bay, Redcar, Crimdon Dene and Seaton Carew." But not all fairground tenants are against the plans. Mr Sheeran's 2 other brothers, twins Philip and Maxwell, who both have rides at the park, back the new development. Philip, 26, said: "We definitely need an indoor facility. The season is short as it is and bad weather makes it even shorter. "People have their own views and are looking out for their own interests, but we are 100% behind Michael. It will improve the whole area on the front." Between Maxwell, Philip and Michael, they run 20 of the 40-odd rides and over the next few years are set to invest a further =A3500,000. Maxwell added: "An indoor facility would bring more people in which would benefit everyone. We need to work together for the good of the whole of the borough." A planning application for the development, set to create 60 jobs, was submitted in January, which has attracted letters of objection. It was withdrawn in March, but is due to be resubmitted within weeks. Mr Sheeran said: "I can understand people don't like change, but the way the weather is, we feel it is getting that balance between indoor and outdoor. "We are trying to pick existing attractions because we know they are good attractions and we want to extend the season." He added: "We feel that once the development is up and running there will be more advantages for them than disadvantages. "My father and other 2 brothers have invested in new rides and attractions, and we wouldn't do anything we felt was going to be detrimental to the long-term future of OBP. "We feel the minute you stop investing is the minute you start going backwards." -------------- =A92008 Johnston Press Digital Publishing=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 08 07:45:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79195 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 14:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 14:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 14:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2008 14:45:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:45:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <884488.56045.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Camel punching at Vallejo theme park leads to arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pHKgFiqA6E6bOHGNKhscPpU9R-GhIPAxVOb6t-nwMOIhXMg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Which is exactly why we still have the Electoral College. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris wrote: > > And remember, these people's votes count just the same > as yours.... >=20 > --- Alan wrote: >=20 > > And it's not just the public who are idiots. > >=20 > > This past weekend I saw one our employees (off duty > > of course), > > standing up in one of the log flume boats (Captain > > Morgan style). > >=20 > > Idiocy knows no bounds. > > -Alan From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 08 08:45:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1823 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 15:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 15:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 15:45:32 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so852229rvf.47 for ; Thu, 08 May 2008 08:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.107.13 with SMTP id j13mr1578395rvm.276.1210261531711; Thu, 08 May 2008 08:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Thu, 8 May 2008 08:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:45:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <884488.56045.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Camel punching at Vallejo theme park leads to arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=5Wh7wC2ikylf0fWwrXEyxyps5g4Fpsun7BHL-2AkMtY7NtAgyim5Uu0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Which is exactly why we still have the Electoral College. Not to stray too far off-topic here, but I don't think the Electoral College has done anything to prevent idiotic votes from counting. I could list examples, but I'd rather not. -N From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu May 08 22:40:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74648 invoked by uid 7800); 9 May 2008 05:40:18 -0000 Date: 9 May 2008 05:40:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1210311618.29.74640.m53@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hard Rock Park - Grand Opening, 5/9/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=az0FLVgR0XUC3Up5KZ7F6T4c3i2sUR1210311616-1" --YCalReminder=az0FLVgR0XUC3Up5KZ7F6T4c3i2sUR1210311616-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=az0FLVgR0XUC3Up5KZ7F6T4c3i2sUR1210311616-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu May 08 22:50:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41061 invoked by uid 7800); 9 May 2008 05:50:20 -0000 Date: 9 May 2008 05:50:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1210312220.13.41059.m49@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=4gk7zsXS6cddDhjSmLEYzMfKXP1210312215-1" --YCalReminder=4gk7zsXS6cddDhjSmLEYzMfKXP1210312215-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Big Bang Schtroumpf opened Friday May 9, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Maizières-les-Metz, Lorraine, France Notes: On this date in 1989 Big Bang Schtroumpf park opened. Later - 1990 - to Walibi Schtroumpf. Then the name was change to Walibi Lorraine in 2003; then to Walygator Parc in 2007. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=4gk7zsXS6cddDhjSmLEYzMfKXP1210312215-1 Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252;
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--YCalReminder=487Zc4FY8shYUGenNAKg166rcRDtiLX1210312215-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 09 08:56:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26336 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 15:56:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 15:56:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 15:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 15:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 15:56:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 15:56:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Win First Ride on Dominator! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0WBtxP6nyiHh4Wqrndc37W2KasDNdzwsyTJ1bH4LAJaAuwU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 7, 2008 Kings Dominion http://www.kingsdominion.com/events/event_detail.cfm?event_id=3D470&ec_id= =3D14 DOSWELL, VA -- Win First Ride on Dominator! Bid now thru May 15! Want to be one of the first official riders on Dominator? Available seats will be auctioned off for the first public ride on Dominator--Saturday, May 24. Winners will receive: * 2 complimentary tickets for May 24 ($103.90 value) Rider can bring a friend BUT the friend DOES NOT get to ride on the first train. * 1 complimentary parking pass ($10.00 value) * Early admission to the park at about 9:30 * Dominator T-Shirt ($24.95 value) * Ride Photo of the first ride Each rider must be a minimum of 54" tall in order to ride. NO exceptions can be made to this requirement There are 32 unique auctions, 1 auction for each seat on the 1st ride. Each auction will have only 1 winner. Seating will be determined by the highest bidder from all 32 auctions selecting their seat first, the second highest selecting second etc. All proceeds from the auction will be donated to Challenge Discovery Projects, the only organization in the Richmond area that serves at risk children through the Virginia Health Center, the Say It With Heart bullying prevention program and the Deaf and Hard of Hearing community. Minimum bid of $50.00. The auction closes on Friday, May 16 at 12:59 pm.=20 Don't delay=85click here place your bid now! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZkd08dominatorQQfrppZ50QQfsopZ32QQfsooZ2QQr= dZ0QfsopZ32QQfsooZ2QQrdZ0 ---------------- 2008 Cedar Fair Entertainment Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 09 09:02:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58626 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 16:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 16:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 16:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 16:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 16:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 16:02:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 16:02:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Tony_Hawk=92s_Big_Spin_coaster_to_debut_at_Discovery_Kingdom?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=p9Aee0zNC_o98UCmIsYOXrTKOn3z1L6hfvtw0GDrtA-i3jU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 4, 2008 Los Angeles Times http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/?p=3D1817 VALLEJO, CA -- The $6.5-million Tony Hawk's Big Spin rotating roller coaster debuts Memorial Day weekend at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom with a series of skateboard-themed events. The 3-day launch, May 23-25, includes (days and times vary): * Professional and amateur skateboarder exhibitions * Break-dancing performances * Skateboard lessons and deck assembly demonstrations * Hands-on disc jockey workshops * Graffiti art displays and chalk-based clinics The 2-minute-long family coaster features a modest 27'-drop, a top speed of 31 mph and no inversions, according to Roller Coaster Database. Six Flags Discovery Kingdom's photo blog tracks progress on the spinning coaster, with vertical construction well underway. YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQ8GXbbaXTAw video shows an animated model of Tony Hawk's Big Spin and offers viewers a POV ride. Timed to coincide with the opening of Tony Hawk's Big Spin, the Vallejo amusement park-marine park-zoo will also open a skateboard park featuring a slalom course, jumps and ramps (included with the price of admission). -------------- Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 09 09:32:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38153 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 16:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 16:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 16:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 16:32:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 16:32:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 16:32:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 16:32:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: GAME: Flash Game -- Rollercoaster Creator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wEoIe5HI9OOOiKyMO1jLmjXTqLfXNMh-bO5ssR5mTuysrZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 6 2008 Los Angeles Times http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/funny_pages_20/2008/05/flash-game-roll.html By Christie St. Martin Create your own Roller Coasters complete with loops, drops and more. The aim of Roller Coaster Creator is to build a coaster that collects all of the gold coins. Hints, tips, cheats and Instructions: There are 21 fun levels to Roller Coaster Creator, you start by hand drawing some track. Draw a coaster that collects all of the coins and keeps the people safe. Just another fun flash game. My original aim was just being able to complete all levels so I wasn't looking to get ALL the coins, just enough to complete the level. Good luck. http://www.fatratgames.com/index.php?params=3Dgame/835/Rollercoaster-Creato= r/ -------------------- Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 10 07:41:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66731 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 14:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 14:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 14:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2008 14:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2008 14:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2008 14:41:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:41:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Woman's leg trapped on rollercoaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lVO6FltrhNZkX8SGHsbjXDLadENmuvvgmKyNhUzY1iZPPAA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 05 May 2008 Great Yarmouth Mercury 24 http://www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk/content/yarmouthmercury/news/story.as= px?brand=3DGYMOnline&category=3Dnews&tBrand=3DGYMonline&tCategory=3Dnews&it= emid=3DNOED05%20May%202008%2011%3A36%3A12%3A877 GREAT YARMOUTH, NORFOLK, UK -- A woman was freed by firefighters after her leg became trapped in a rollercoaster on Sunday afternoon. Fire crews from Great Yarmouth were called to the Pleasure Beach on South Beach Parade just after 3pm to help free the woman from the ride. She was freed after about 10 minutes and treated at the scene by paramedics for minor swelling to her leg, but she was not seriously hurt. ------------ Copyright =A9 2006 Archant Regional From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 10 07:50:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35589 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 14:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 14:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 14:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2008 14:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2008 14:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2008 14:50:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:50:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Alton Towers to build rollercoaster for babies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xxQ373xwwNUW-LZQWbtDSZtC3io66mzKsOOlaqLg1YeQwds X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 10, 2008 The Sun http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1140717.ece By Jenny Eagle ALTON, STAFFORDSHIRE, UK -- The ride - called the Babycoaster - comes with teddy bear-shaped carriages and travels at 2mph, designed to replicate the motion of being pushed in a pram. Codenamed PROJECT GIANT GURGLE, it was revealed by theme park chiefs today after designers put together the finishing touches. The ride is for babies over the age of 6 months, is 60 metres long, and each circuit takes 67 seconds to complete. Bosses at Alton Towers (AT), which attracted more than 2.4 million visitors last year, said the new ride is perfect for parents who want to give their little ones a treat. Morwenna Angove, Sales & Marketing Director for the AT Resort, said: "As the UK's No 1, we are constantly evaluating a whole host of ride and attraction concepts to complement the fantastic combination of experiences already available at AT. "Project 'Giant Gurgle' is the latest concept to be considered and would fit perfectly amongst attractions already aimed at our younger guests, such as the Driving School and Heave Ho." The Heave Ho is a rocking boat ride and Driving School teaches kids under the age of 10 the rules of the road as they drive around a circuit in mini-cars. Mum-of-3 Rachel Sutherland, 32, said: "My little one will love it. It's the first ride I've ever heard of that is just for babies." AT, home to Nemesis, Europe's first inverted coaster and Oblivion, the world's first vertical drop coaster,opened in 1980. --------------- =A9 2006 News Group Newspapers Ltd. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat May 10 22:22:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41572 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 05:22:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2008 05:22:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2008 05:22:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2008 05:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2008 05:22:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:22:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Alton Towers to build rollercoaster for babies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=B4wPclnD6K0SXjpbd9oEUHR_6B6FfrxaxvF_AopnyRqcEJODoA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 This has been everywhere the past few days. I can't tell if it's a=20 month-late April Fool's Day prank or the world's toughest credit to=20 get... Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > May 10, 2008 > The Sun > http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1140717.ece > By Jenny Eagle >=20 >=20 > ALTON, STAFFORDSHIRE, UK -- The ride - called the Babycoaster -=20 comes > with teddy bear-shaped carriages and travels at 2mph, designed to > replicate the motion of being pushed in a pram. >=20 > Codenamed PROJECT GIANT GURGLE, it was revealed by theme park chiefs > today after designers put together the finishing touches. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun May 11 07:02:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86578 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2008 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2008 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2008 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2008 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2008 14:02:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:02:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Alton Towers to build rollercoaster for babies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=5v0-_f7yvHjNUYm9F0QDs07ZFNdLJtxNho_DQPypvcyfHG8uw1QH X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck I found a continuation of this news story online... When asked for comment, world famous coaster enthusiast Robb Alvey was=20 seen locking his newborn infant in a cage with a 2 week supply of baby=20 formula. In an obvious hurried state, clutching a round trip airline=20 ticket, and attatching his no-longer-hot wife to her leash, he was=20 heard frantically mumbling "must be first... must be first... all of my=20 teenage fan club is counting on me..." From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun May 11 08:14:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16662 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2008 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2008 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2008 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2008 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2008 15:14:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:14:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Celebrity Moms Celebrate Mother's Day at WDW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OrllHoaCSLQxhnc-F39iKeI1IEmsxnHr2hfIk3-jmIPH30I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 6, 2008 PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 05-06-2008/0004807893&EDATE=3D ORLANDO, FL -- If you find it difficult to find something special to give your mom for Mothers' Day, you may draw some inspiration from the way some of the stars of Hispanic television chose to honor their moms, by creating a magical moment during a visit to Walt Disney World (WDW). To view the Multimedia News Release, go to: http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/disney/33093/ Among the celebrities who came up with an original way to celebrate Mother's Day are Giselle Blondet and Paola Gutierrez whose mothers had the opportunity to live an enchanting fantasy with their daughters. Puerto Rican actress and Univision TV-host Giselle Blondet, decided to give her mother a different kind of gift than what she receives every year. She treated her mother, Alba G=F3mez, to a day of fame with a Hollywood-star style makeover in preparation for a movie star photo shoot directed by Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse at WDW's Hollywood Studios. Emmy award-winning Univision news anchor and author, Maria Elena Salinas, was invited by her daughters, Gaby & Julia, to a special afternoon treat of high tea and pastries, which they shared with Sleeping Beauty's Princess Aurora at the luxurious Grand Floridian Hotel. "We love coming to this place, my daughters are my princesses," said Maria Elena Salinas. "It is our very own special time to escape our everyday and go to a place where we know that, together, we will really enjoy ourselves." Meanwhile, Paola Gutierrez - a correspondent for the morning show "Despierta America" - and her daughters Antonella & Isabella went all out and brought grandma Norma San Martin from their native Bolivia, so that she could be Queen for a Day in the Magic Kingdom, in special magical moment hosted by Cinderella, Snow White and Belle. "My mom had always dreamt about being a queen, even if it was only for one day," said Gutierrez. Her mother added, "This experience changed my life. After that day I've felt like a real queen." Antonella stated, "being a princess is not an easy job, but it sure is beautiful." These very special moments for these mothers took place during the Year of a Million Dreams celebration at Disney Parks. This celebration continues to grant 1-million people, randomly chosen among the guests at Disney parks, magical moments, such as staying over at Cinderella's Castle for 1 night, getting a special VIP escort and fast access to attractions, and many other special surprises. Among the activities that can be shared with moms at WDW are tours during the Flowers and Garden Festival and attending performances such as Cirque du Soleil's La Nouba. The heart of Downtown Disney also offers an array of shops, great dining and clubs to wrap up the festivities. And in case all this is not enough, you can treat your mom to a day at a Disney Spa, where she will feel completely renovated after receiving a massage, manicure, pedicure and other exotic beauty treatments. For more information about the "The Year of a Million Dreams" celebration, please visit http://disneyparks.disney.go.com NOTE TO EDITORS: High-resolution images are available at: http://www.hispanicprwire.com/home.php?l=3Din NOTE TO EDITORS: Multimedia assets are available at: http://www.hispanicprwire.com/home.php?l=3Din ---------------- SOURCE Walt Disney Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC From lee.jordan60@yahoo.com Sun May 11 08:27:44 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30649;u=;t=1210519734;m=1289588077;s=1404924901; From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun May 11 15:43:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11282 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 22:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2008 22:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2008 22:43:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8504 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2008 22:43:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GRliHvUVM1kUWWAKzL_jcchIAnt6RKSU09.K9Re9v97klENfR1k7kazRPvSYBD.ehRHG5HSZv3X3zMalMh3seLf3x5d5Zx.twIXFsHFovhSkkd_9cfpGWm7TI98- X-Received: from [72.70.232.221] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:43:10 PDT Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:43:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , gazette@wnycc.org In-Reply-To: <1210293162.2036.79282.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <432716.7750.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Book Details the Lively History of Mountain Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=DSM1JZYnTeFrwSGihSnJWJwOUr3mLOibysscZELpjivXEfTgbNcO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.thereminder.com/features/Page2feature/bookdetailsthelive/ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon May 12 07:35:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5163 invoked from network); 12 May 2008 14:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2008 14:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2008 14:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2008 14:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2008 14:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2008 14:35:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:35:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Killer "carousel" in Ukraine X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=FBfyVuNPTqv5OoTKG3T5cAD3kPLVR7b3vMkL9K11DQSACJwdc-Qc X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The phrase "centrifuge-style carousel" caught my attention. It sounds more like a Rotor than a merry-go-round. Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon May 12 22:50:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67104 invoked by uid 7800); 13 May 2008 05:50:18 -0000 Date: 13 May 2008 05:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1210657818.12.67103.m48@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Hvhl6dieSkrfdy7lZdQzDVM1210657811-1" --YCalReminder=Hvhl6dieSkrfdy7lZdQzDVM1210657811-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Millennium Force opened Tuesday May 13, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=Hvhl6dieSkrfdy7lZdQzDVM1210657811-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed May 14 22:50:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39055 invoked by uid 7800); 15 May 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Date: 15 May 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Message-ID: <1210830615.10.39054.m43@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=kuaFSkni1eSZwm7POgKDvp6A7hGwlPT1210830610-1" --YCalReminder=kuaFSkni1eSZwm7POgKDvp6A7hGwlPT1210830610-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Coasting Thru Switzerland opened Thursday May 15, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Brooklyn, New York Notes: On this date in 1904, Coasting Thru Switzerland opened at Dreamland in Brooklyn, New York. It is credited with being the first Indoor coaster (Inside defined as a roller coaster built inside a structure unrelated to the ride). It closed in 1911. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=kuaFSkni1eSZwm7POgKDvp6A7hGwlPT1210830610-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Coasting Thru Switzerland opened
 
Date:   Thursday May 15, 2008
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Location:   Brooklyn, New York
Notes:   On this date in 1904, Coasting Thru Switzerland opened at Dreamland in Brooklyn, New York. It is credited with being the first Indoor coaster (Inside defined as a roller coaster built inside a structure unrelated to the ride). It closed in 1911.
 
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--YCalReminder=kuaFSkni1eSZwm7POgKDvp6A7hGwlPT1210830610-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed May 14 22:50:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72985 invoked by uid 7800); 15 May 2008 05:50:14 -0000 Date: 15 May 2008 05:50:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1210830614.13.72984.m46@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=kZxL02r3PvBAM3PLOFw1sinpifBxvPT1210830610-1" --YCalReminder=kZxL02r3PvBAM3PLOFw1sinpifBxvPT1210830610-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Dreamland (Brooklyn) opened Thursday May 15, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Brooklyn, New York Notes: On this date in 1904, Dreamland opened its gates in Brooklyn, New York. It closed on 5/26/1911. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=kZxL02r3PvBAM3PLOFw1sinpifBxvPT1210830610-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Dreamland (Brooklyn) opened
 
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--YCalReminder=kZxL02r3PvBAM3PLOFw1sinpifBxvPT1210830610-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed May 14 22:50:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89006 invoked by uid 7800); 15 May 2008 05:50:18 -0000 Date: 15 May 2008 05:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1210830618.12.89000.m55@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=kAWYsJazggXX6UPT1210830610-1" --YCalReminder=kAWYsJazggXX6UPT1210830610-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Corkscrew opened Thursday May 15, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Sandusky, Ohio Notes: On this date in 1976, Corkscrew opened at Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio. It is credited with being the first coaster with Shoulder harnesses. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=kAWYsJazggXX6UPT1210830610-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=kAWYsJazggXX6UPT1210830610-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 15 06:31:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87996 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 13:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 13:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2c.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.233) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 13:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n2.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 13:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 13:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 13:31:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:31:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Preparing Young Children for Their 1st Theme Park Visit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=q-hg9iWJyJzHY3owJ8Ld9XR9GAZy8120BBrOxI30cLaL1QM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 15, 2008 PR Newswire Source: Sesame Place Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080515/nyfnsx08.html?.v=3D1 By Dr. Rhonda Clements LANGHORNE, PA -- There's more to visiting a theme park than arriving at the front gate with a swimsuit. It's best to prepare for the visit, and understand the park's layout to learn about the attractions so families can get ready together. Rhonda Clements, Ed. D., past president of the American Association for the Child's Right to Play, and Professor of Education at Manhattanville College, believes in the importance of outdoor play experiences. She considers Sesame Place (SP), the nation's only theme park based entirely on the award-winning television show Sesame Street, as the ideal first theme park experience for young children 2-7. "Overall, parents play an important role in getting children ready and feeling comfortable about this first time experience," she says. "Everything leading to the big day will help assure that a child will find joy in the experience." Clements offers these tips to make a park visit a memorable one: -- Plan meals and activities around show times. For example, if you want to be sure to see the "Rock Around the Block" parade at SP, have lunch early so there's plenty of time to get a good spot for the parade. -- If you are staying overnight, find a hotel nearby so the child can go back for a nap. Get your hand stamped for re-admission. -- Consider what clothing to bring by how you plan your day. Do you want to do water rides immediately? If so, wear bathing suits under clothing and bring another outfit for later. -- When meeting the SP characters, suggest the children ask them "yes" and "no" questions, as the lovable walkaround characters will happily respond to these type of questions. -- Knowing young children, anything is possible. The youngster eager to meet Elmo might get shy when first meeting him. Take your time. Let him look from afar until he is comfortable getting close enough for a hug and a photo. -- Look into ticket options to offer your family more flexibility. Many theme parks have multi-day tickets at very reasonable rates. With this, you can spread the experience over a couple days. For example, you may choose to do all dry rides on one day and save the water rides for another day. SP, located near Philadelphia and 90 minutes south of Manhattan, is where parents and children share in the Sesame Street experience through whirling rides, water slides, musical shows and furry friends. For more information, call 1-866-GO-4-ELMO or visit www.sesameplace.com SP is a Worlds of Discovery (WoD) park. Other WoD parks include SeaWorld parks in Orlando, FL, San Diego, CA. and San Antonio, TX; Busch Gardens Africa in Tampa, FL and Busch Gardens Europe in Williamsburg, VA; Discovery Cove in Orlando; Aquatica, SeaWorld's water park in Orlando; and water parks Adventure Island in Tampa and Water Country USA in Williamsburg. WoD, based in Orlando, FL, employs more than 21,000 people nationwide. On the Web at www.sesameplace.com or www.WorldsofDiscovery.com . ----------- Source: Sesame Place Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. Copyright =A9 2008 PR Newswire From lance@screamscape.com Thu May 15 13:27:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91958 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 20:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 20:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0106.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 20:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0106.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4BE47728F for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.482c4672.5c861 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:25:53 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlILJxRtxPzZQIAAAAB,cc6b5cc5ed47a2be18e4883ccecf65d3 Message-ID: To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:27:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Dark Knight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=nQWW9vmrGOGM1CcxrngPUkqMN5ysnYc9ezMgr_iv974yWjmhLg30rP358w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, I'm just curious if anyone ride the Dark Knight Coaster at SFGAdv today and what they thought of it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 15 16:47:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25981 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 23:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 23:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 23:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 23:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 23:47:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:47:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Crawford County theme park facing delays X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Au7MfkIBopet7QhBSCINuunbthKYCA1yn1_iGjws-4RtahM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 14, 2008 TV 7-4 http://www.tv7-4.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=3D134482 GRAYLING, MI -- Axiom Entertainment is delaying financial commitments for the proposed amusement park in Grayling until fire damage from a 1,300 acre fire in April can be assessed. The DNR says almost 400 acres were damaged where the park would be located. Axiom representatives say the landscape was supposed to be part of the park's scenery. Several state agencies will meet this week to discuss the project. ------------- Copyright 2008 Barrington Broadcasting Corporation From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu May 15 22:50:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61062 invoked by uid 7800); 16 May 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Date: 16 May 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1210917016.8.61061.m54@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=IQ0PwUYQvV1qrJC7i4YmEt2Z76f4wLC1210917011-1" --YCalReminder=IQ0PwUYQvV1qrJC7i4YmEt2Z76f4wLC1210917011-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Busch Gardens (Virginia) opens Friday May 16, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Williamsburg, Virginia Notes: Busch Gardens: The Old Country opened on this date in 1975, in Williamsburg, VA. Later in 1992, it would change it's name to Busch Gardens Williamsburg, and then again in 2006 to Busch Gardens Europe. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=IQ0PwUYQvV1qrJC7i4YmEt2Z76f4wLC1210917011-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Busch Gardens (Virginia) opens
 
Date:   Friday May 16, 2008
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Notes:   Busch Gardens: The Old Country opened on this date in 1975, in Williamsburg, VA. Later in 1992, it would change it's name to Busch Gardens Williamsburg, and then again in 2006 to Busch Gardens Europe.
 
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--YCalReminder=IQ0PwUYQvV1qrJC7i4YmEt2Z76f4wLC1210917011-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 16 06:27:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95824 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 13:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 13:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 13:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:27:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:27:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Bible Theme Park Plans Scrapped - For Now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vkhWfNAoSnwJEKuW-ybDhtJl4jH2qHUqlGSOQJ-yNiSOGi4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 16, 2008 News Channel 5 http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=3D8334627 NASHVILLE, TN -- Rejected - that's the decision Friday morning about the request to rezone part of Rutherford County for a bible based theme park. Thursday night the county commission voted 12 to 9 to grant Safe Harbor Developing request to rezone just over 280 acres of land for Bible Park USA, but the request was denied because Blackman area residents filed a petition that asked for 2/3s of commissioners - rather than a simple majority. The $175 million park was scheduled to open by Easter 2010. Those plans have obviously been scrapped - at least for now. The developers can re-apply, but not for several more months. ------------------ =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2008 WorldNow and WTVF From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 16 06:31:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10303 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 13:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 13:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 13:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:31:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:31:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Celebrities Hold Wedding Reception at Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lM-QP-u4Mgftrq0MxpTbHF4JLTQffCjT6r_GbKRCn1yMCtc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 14, 2008 Hollywood.com http://www.hollywood.com/news/Mariah_Carey_and_Nick_Cannon_Hold_Wedding_Rec= eption_at_Theme_Park/5235432 VALENCIA, CA -- Newlyweds Mariah Carey and Nick Cannon have celebrated their nuptials by throwing a party -- at a theme park. The couple married in a secret sunset ceremony at Carey's home in the Bahamas last month. But the pair was keen to celebrate their marriage with family and friends who could not make the ceremony -- so they threw a party at Los Angeles theme park Six Flags Magic Mountain on Tuesday night. According to Web site TMZ.com, the park was closed to the public at 6 p.m. and reopened to guests including Will Smith and Stevie Wonder. Carey arrived 2 hours later in a black Rolls Royce to join her new husband at the party. --------------------- COPYRIGHT 2008 WORLD ENTERTAINMENT NEWS NETWORK LTD.=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 16 06:37:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90392 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 13:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 13:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 13:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 13:37:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:37:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dubailand Marvel Theme Park Masterplan Finalised X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=i7_iUPezUXwpFJg97uBvlvMCNptIA0es2PaBlG1REgV7kvg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 15, 2008 Yahoo! News Malaysia http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/bnm/20080514/tbs-dubailand-marvel-ceeeaba.ht= ml DUBAI, UAE -- The groundbreaking ceremony of the world's first Marvel Superheroes theme park in Dubailand here is expected to take place in the first quarter of 2009. In a statement here today, Dubailand CEO, Mohammed Alhabbai, said the design and conceptual masterplan of the US$900 million (US$1=3DRM3.24) project has been finalised. He said work on the theme park was being fast-tracked with 3 of its rides -- Flying with Spidey, Fantasticar, and X-men: Danger Room -- already undergoing offsite trial runs. The 4.5 million sq.-ft. family-oriented park is expected to open its doors on Dec 31 2012 and attract over 3.5 million visitors annually. It will boast, among others, 17 rides and attractions, nine retail outlets and over 40 food and beverage outlets. The diverse projects under Dubailand, a member of Tatweer, include theme parks, eco-tourism projects, shopping malls, restaurants and residential units that are being developed by United Arab Emirates, Gulf Cooperation Council and international investors. The theme park is expected to further enhance and diversify the region's entertainment offerings and spotlight Dubai's status as one of the world's most attractive tourism destinations. --------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Southeast Asia Pte Ltd. From maryland.steelers.fan@verizon.net Fri May 16 10:21:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: maryland.steelers.fan@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18890 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 17:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 17:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 17:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 17:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 17:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 17:21:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:21:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Greg Mumma" Subject: Dominator 1st Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326326590; y=oua87q3BG4A3zxxKjeuZ9OTaWYZZXq8EyDc7kBlfg_G3FOca7w X-Yahoo-Profile: caps_fan_2 WOO HOO!! I just won one of the Ebay auctions for the 1st ride on Dominator at KD! Thanks to Alan for posting the info last week, or I would have missed it. I'll get the 14th selection of seats, so I'm curious as to if anybody who rode it when it used to be at Geauga Lake (as either Knight Flight or after they changed the name) has a recommendation of a good choice of a seat? Obviously the front 4 seats and the back 4 seats will be gone by the time it's my turn to board, but I don't know if there's any of the "middle" seats that would provide a better ride experience (meaning AIR TIME more than anything else) than any of the others. Thanks Greg From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 16 10:50:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52758 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 17:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 17:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.228) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 17:50:51 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so332444rvf.43 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 10:50:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.13 with SMTP id p13mr1943421rvl.163.1210960251453; Fri, 16 May 2008 10:50:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 10:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:50:46 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Dominator 1st Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=xcaxvUDY1GVsdCXKVN9lB8t6wlDWBkF0O9IrpBIOChdG67cnM5ZNMww X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 If I recall correctly (and it's been several years), Dominator was best toward the back, and I believe I preferred the right side of the train (first drop & high speed turnaround seemed better on that side). 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--YCalReminder=pUPC4PNjwBG0erD0Jd8FKaccCVX1211003415-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat May 17 08:24:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22546 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 15:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 15:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 15:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2008 15:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2008 15:24:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:24:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Dominator 1st Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=LJjMHwBxj2lf_jq1aRujH5_ae95pBd7d4voH3b8LqmDgvj11OJxd X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > If I recall correctly (and it's been several years), Dominator was > best toward the back, and I believe I preferred the right side of the > train (first drop & high speed turnaround seemed better on that side). >=20 > Enjoy yourself. Dominator is a seriously underappreciated ride. >=20 > -Nate Yeah, it's pretty sweet, about the only ride I'll really miss at from=20 GL.=20=20 I may be in the minority here, but I've found that if I can't get the=20 extreme front or back, there's nothing wrong with a good middle seat=20 ride. After all, you'll get the must "pure" ride experience, as that=20 is the point where the ride forces will be exactly as they were=20 engineered to be.=20=20 But I'm kind of lame that way, I know. On a B+M, I prefer not to be=20 whipped around in the back of a ride because I don't like the unnatural=20 feeling of going through the elements too fast. I also prefer to sit=20 in the middle of a row, as opposed to the edge seats, to get more of a=20 natural rotation around the track. Again, more of the way the ride was=20 designed, and less whipping around. Of course, there's really no such thing as a bad seat, and Nate is=20 absolutely right, the right side will provide great visuals on the=20 first drop, as well as the high speed flyby directly after the loop.=20=20 I'd take a seat anywhere on the outside right if you can't get a front=20 row seat. From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Sat May 17 19:36:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19172 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.33) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.116] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 898429.44586.bm@omp208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 44192 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dz7jfJ8VM1mmLcWHL2RyNZVicjqKSs08SVc0IhYG7G4rm4OjZE7wgTv_45T1bHUql6JBHUKqihuOctL12lp_3Wpc8Bxa5Nvm6t7drOGPJiKmBIxtbYyO5XEgfz0- X-Received: from [70.127.130.234] by web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2008 19:36:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 19:36:32 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <655162.42625.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Opinion: Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=1408CRnZwjWD4_qbi6WPc7LQIiCkqQof8DvdvUjuCan2IFRxMHIv X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://information.travel.aol.com/tourism-week/theme-parks I found these on AOL tonight.=A0 One of the parks I found interesting is th= e Daytona Experience. Joe Tampa Bay, FL =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun May 18 08:02:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5580 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 15:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 15:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 15:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:02:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:02:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Kennywood owners OK amusement park sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ylw3PsAGD2qtiArQ_BoXZ0d5Fpr7OMRtJElbQuak_XP9xC8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 16, 2008 The Associated Press The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2008/05/16/kennywood_= owners_ok_amusement_park_sale_to_spanish_firm/ WEST MIFFLIN, PA -=97 A spokeswoman for Kennywood Entertainment says the family-owned amusement park chain has approved its sale to a Spanish firm that manages dozens of amusement, animal and water parks in the US and Europe. Kennywood's owners are 76 descendants of 2 men who bought the suburban Pittsburgh park in 1906, F.W. Henninger and Andrew McSwigan. Madrid-based Parques Reunidos hopes to close on the sale by the end of the month. Terms have not been disclosed and the deal must still be approved by the Federal Trade Commission and Connecticut regulators. The sale includes Kennywood Park in West Mifflin, Idlewild & SoakZone in Ligonier and Sandcastle Waterpark in West Homestead. It also includes Lake Compounce Theme Park in Bristol, Conn., and Story Land in Glen, N.H. --------------- =A9 Copyright 2008 Associated Press =A9 2008 NY Times Co. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun May 18 08:08:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5069 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 15:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 15:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 15:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:08:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:08:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: You may be too big to ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=U2accEc7iayyIDaSZastB05y9k8Uc4578Kq9-3kl1_E6k9c X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 18, 2008 Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080518/FEATURES07/80518= 0504 By Ellen Creager Before you head to an amusement park, make sure you are the right size to ride. Many visitors don't realize it, but parks have stricter rules about weight and girth since a man fell to his death at a New England roller coaster ride in 2004 when his lap bar didn't close properly over his stomach. Cedar Point (CP) warns on its Web site that it may rule out from certain rides "men taller than 6'-2" who weigh more than 225 pounds, have a 40"-waist or 52"-chest." It also may rule out "women who weigh more than 200 pounds or wear a size 18 or larger." "We don't want to disappoint people, so we try to make our rules as clear and public as possible," says Robin Innes, CP spokesman. CP is owned by Cedar Fair, which also owns Michigan's Adventure, Canada's Wonderland and Kings Island. They have similar rules about what they call "guests of exceptional size." Six Flags Great America is less specific: "Guests with certain body proportions, height and/or weight may not be able to participate on certain rides if the safety restraints will not operate as designed. Specific ride information is available at the ride and at Guest Relations," its rules state. To avoid embarrassment of being turned away, people unsure if they qualify to ride should enter the attraction at the exit and try out a seat so they don't wait in line for nothing, says Innes. CP actually has test seats for Maverick, maXair, Millennium Force, Raptor, Skyhawk, Top Thrill Dragster and Wicked Twister. Other rides at the park with size or weight restrictions are Blue Streak, Chaos, Corkscrew, Disaster Transport, Mantis, Mean Streak, Mine Ride, Power Tower, Wave Swinger, Monster, Scrambler, Skyscraper, Super Himalaya, Troika, RipCord and even some water park and children's attractions. For example, the Chaos thrill ride seats 2 passengers per car, but total weight for the car can be no more than 320 pounds. The new balloon ride at Camp Snoopy seats 4 per car including 1 adult, but the maximum weight is 440 pounds. Every park's Web site has a guest services section that describes more fully weight/size restrictions. ------------- Copyright =A92008 Detroit Free Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun May 18 08:12:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12174 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 15:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 15:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 15:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:12:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:12:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Congressman pushes for amusement park regulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=g2y0bqLDEBLEKg47KgCSVGrprKpZkWOD_DQYACtEXj8Xb2o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 14, 2008 The Associated Press WTOP Radio http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=3D25&sid=3D1403970 WASHINGTON, DC -- Summer is almost here, and for thousands of people in the area it means a trip to an amusement park. But you may be surprised to learn your favorite amusement park is essentially unregulated. 11 months ago, 14-y.o. Kaitlyn Lassiter's feet were severed at a Six Flags Park in Kentucky when a cable snapped on the Superman Tower of Power ride. "I still have trouble sleeping at night," says Lassiter, who also says she is in "constant pain." Lassiter is able to walk now, with help or with crutches. 1 foot was able to be re-attached, but the other was replaced with a prosthesis. After the incident, there was no federal investigation because of a 27-y.o. loophole in a budget bill that prevents the Consumer Product Safety Commission from inspecting amusement parks. Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) says the amusement park industry has essentially been unregulated since 1981, and wants to close the "regulatory black hole." "A family can put their child on a bicycle, in a baby chair in the back of a car, and that's regulated," Markey says. "But if they put their child on a rollercoaster that's going 100 mph, that's not regulated." Markey and the Lassiter family are pushing Congress to pass legislation that would allow federal investigations and inspections. The amusement park industry has been resisting any federal regulation. A spokesman says the chances of getting injured on an amusement park ride are 1 in 9-million. Currently, there are 43 states that have the ability to investigate amusement park and carnival accidents. -------------- Copyright 2008 by WTOP Copyright 2008 Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun May 18 08:15:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61737 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 15:15:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 15:15:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 15:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:15:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:15:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Arnolds Park Opens For The Season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SPHmhxfCeC5kA8PISkRD5fpIvpQHHpJEvkwaLhPBxzjdQBw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 16, 2008 KTIV News Channel 4 http://www.ktiv.com/News/index.php?ID=3D25441 ARNOLDS PARK, IA -- The Historic Arnolds Park Amusement Park officially opens for the summer business season tomorrow. The park has been closed for the winter, but park officials say they have made plenty of changes that they hope will bring in the crowds. "We've done a lot of renovations this year in the park; we've rebuilt some of the classic games in our carnival area. We have rebuilt the bumper cars. I make it a point not to tell all of the secrets on the TV and let people come and see for themselves some of the changes," said Scott Pyle of Arnolds Park The park will be open on weekends through the end of May, and will be open 7 days a week starting in June. --------------- Copyright KTIV TV 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun May 18 08:34:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46264 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 15:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 15:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 15:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2008 15:34:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:34:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Coasting through summer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hI00DxzWexXHt5nN7bA60B_Lo0rB_1imun8Q7zu4vNXbudg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 18, 2008 Burlington County Times http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/112-05182008-1535779.html By Kristen Coppock MOUNT LAURAL, NJ -- Jacob Hogan is prepared for a summer filled with many ups and downs. While other teens spend their time off from school attending day camp, taking classes or going on a family vacation, the 13-y.o. Mount Laurel resident is planning to ride roller coasters =97 lots of them. Thanks to a unique, overnight summer camp, Jacob will travel from Canada to Florida and as far west as Chicago. The roller coaster fanatic will be one of about 25 teenagers per session to participate in trips organized by ThrillCoaster Tours (TCT) of Woodbridge, Middlesex County. Over 6 weeks this summer, the 4-y.o. company expects to visit about 17 amusement parks with its charges. Ira Gordon, founder and director of TCT, said the trips are designed to provide teens with a summer filled with excitement and memories that will last a lifetime. The tours are open to youngsters ages 12-16. "The kids love the tours because they get to travel with other kids to amusement parks and what could be more fun than that? It gives them the opportunity to visit amusement parks around the country, rather than staying local," said Gordon, an accountant who lives in New Brunswick. Jacob, a student at Harrington Middle School in Mount Laurel, has a strong passion for roller coasters. His mother, Lisa Bien, said, "He doesn't just ride them, he is a student of roller coasters." Bien said her son wants to be an engineer and has studied how roller coasters work. He watches television documentaries about them and has created school projects based on coasters. He even had a roller coaster theme for his bar mitzvah. Jacob first heard about TCT a couple of years ago, but was initially unable to sway his parents into allowing him to sign up. Bien believed he was too young. "He was very excited about it. He kept talking about it. He was not ready for it, but he kept on top of it with me," she said. In the past, he has attended summer camps operated by the Phillies and the Jewish Community Center. Initially, Bien had reservations about sending Jacob to a camp he found on the Internet and needed further convincing. She said her son did a lot of research about TCT and its itineraries on his own. Impressed by his tenacity, she called Gordon and met with him several times. Later, she spoke with parents whose children had completed tours in the past. "After meeting the parents, I realized this is where he needed to be. This lit him up," she said. Last year, at age 12, Jacob went on his first of 2 trips with TCT. By the end of the summer, he had been to a variety of places, such as Cedar Point Amusement Park in Ohio =97 known as the Roller Coast Capital of the World =97 Hershey, PA, San Francisco, Las Vegas and the popular California amusement parks Knotts Berry Farm and Magic Mountain. According to Jacob, the trips also include places that don't have roller coasters or amusement park rides. Last year, he went whale watching in California as part of one tour. This year's various itineraries include stops at beaches, catamaran and jet boat rides, and whale watching. When they're not riding roller coasters, the tour group travels by motor coach and stays in hotels known for providing quality accommodations, mostly Marriotts. The cost of the tours, ranging from $1,325-$2,575, includes admission to all amusement parks and other activities, transportation, lodging, tour accessories and 3 meals a day, plus snacks. The groups typically eat a continental breakfast in the morning, lunch at the parks and go off-site for dinner, returning to the amusement later in the evening. According to the company's Web site, Thrillcoastertours.com, the tour guides try to steer clear of fast food, opting for healthy restaurant meals instead. TCT employs adult counselors who stay with the campers in small groups at all times. According to the company's literature, all staff members are drug tested and have undergone a criminal background check. All are at least 21 y.o. and have had experience working with teens, as well as travel and camp experiences. In addition, smoking and drinking are prohibited on the tours. This year, the company also has hired junior counselors, who are college students training to be teachers. As director, Gordon travels with each tour group, which boasts a teen to counselor ratio of 6-1. Gordon, who is married with 2 young sons, created TCT out of his own passion for roller coasters. Now 37, he has spent the past 25 years traveling to amusement parks throughout the country, starting out on family vacations and trips with teen groups. Later, he worked as a camp counselor and, upon graduating from college, organized with 3 friends a 2-week, 2,000-mile trip based solely on roller coasters. His experiences helped create his ideal tour for teens. Bien said the experience her family =97 which includes Jacob's father and 4-y.o. brother, Ari =97 had with TCT has been so positive that she registered her son for 2 more tours this summer. "I have so much confidence in Ira and understand his passion for coasters, for kids and for creating quality, safe experiences for them. I know Jacob is in good hands, and he always has a fabulous time," she said. This year, Jacob's first group will begin the Southern Studios Tour (July 6-18) at Universal Studios in Orlando, FL, and make its way north. After stops in Tampa Bay, FL, Altanta, Myrtle Beach, SC, =97 home of the new Hard Rock Park =97 Doswell, VA, and Baltimore, the tour group will end in New Jersey. Arriving close to home, the Wildwood boardwalk and Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson will be the last 2 stops. Jacob said he is especially looking forward to riding the El Toro at Great Adventure, despite already having done so close to 100 times. "I don't have to go far to ride my favorite coaster," he said. During his 2nd session, Jacob will participate in the North of the Border Tour Aug. 4-15. This one starts at the La Ronde Amusement Park in Montreal, Quebec, and includes stops in Toronto, the Chicago area, Cincinatti, Pittsburgh and Elysburg, PA, ending with Dorney Park and Wildwater Kingdom in Allentown, PA. Other sessions offered by TCT are the Beachgoers Family Tour (May 22-26), which runs from Williamsburg, VA, to Baltimore, the Get to the Point Tour (June 30-July 4) =97 Sandusky, OH, to Hershey, PA =97 and the Boston Extreme Tour (July 28-Aug. 1), operating from Albany, NY and running through Springfield, MA, Boston, Provincetown, MA, and Cape Cod, finishing in Bristol, CN. Jacob said that it's unlikely he'll get tired of roller coasters and other amusements. "Every park has different rides. You want to go on every ride," he said. One of the best parts of the tours, Jacob said, is meeting new people and making friends. He still keeps in touch with fellow tourgoers from last year, including his "closest friend" in Medford, through e-mail, the Internet and cell phone. "I was drawn to the tours for the roller coasters, but I'm going back (this year) for the friends," he said. ------------- =A92008 Copyright Calkins Media Incorporated From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun May 18 11:08:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96299 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 18:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 18:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 18:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c04.37cc2453 (42808) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:07:55 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Congressman pushes for amusement park regulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=mvsw6_Ppw68qzfvZ3Xx4I_uEtfGFUP-YDJfOs0NPP99tRvDSqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sorry, and I mean no disrespect to the family of Kaitlin Lassiter, but its time for that commy liberal, Ed Markey to go. He is an absolute enemy of the amusement park industry. Ride accidents are going to happen, and its a shame when it does, but they are machines, and machines sometimes malfunction. Do we go after the auto industry every time someone is killed in a car accident? I don't think so. It's already getting to the point that the industry is becoming discrimatory to certain people due to weight issues, or other things. I honestly think that if Ed Markey got his way, the amusement industry would cease to exist. Whatever state he is from, and I think its Massachusetts, if he is up for re-election this year, I think its time to make him unelectable, before he causes any more trouble for people just out trying to enjoy being Americans, and having fun! **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun May 18 12:23:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9642 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 19:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 19:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 19:23:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28143 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2008 19:23:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AYTcI7sVM1nzG37KJ6xSV7W177r1Do9uZN93QikaFZ78wJvzTMYTjxhf5Us1ZUpEwuDhljylGVhZvfV_NBurxHY5eb57rqGC8cBj9Q-- X-Received: from [72.79.231.19] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:23:32 PDT Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:23:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1211135370.3540.66101.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <209554.26170.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Opinion: Theme Parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=iqNc6aAt0MepSSdd9lkFcnXOvWx7MOgZ52QzdeUFIXFaEnu--MpU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This had some of the most unexpected and diverse selections of parks that I've ever seen in a single article. I keep forgetting about Camden Park; I've got to get down there. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun May 18 12:26:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32481 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 19:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 19:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 19:26:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22000 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2008 19:26:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: usR_O7IVM1k8qLYV6G75IONCdbSKRZLuSVz4ONHDQrbZTjavPPcVN8w1aM7wHwAM8YIwUWEYX9PWF6Op.b5hrQedLhCqS62WGcCJDw-- X-Received: from [72.79.231.19] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:26:54 PDT Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:26:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1211135370.3540.66101.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <56107.21908.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Kennywood owners OK amusement park sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-Vs3r6FrUPUk8cnOIlsTwii8jOuBTBvbeHLQXk8PzJr3Q1Lr7c3p X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This saddens me. But I guess we'll have to wait and seen what direction the new owners take. Since Kennywood is a National Historic Landmark, there are limitations to how much that park can be modified. (How ironic that a National Historic Landmark is now owned by a foreign company.) I'm glad that Karen and I will be going to both Kennywood and Idlewild before the end of the month, experiencing the parks one last time under the old ownership. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun May 18 12:34:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58278 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 19:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 19:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 19:34:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26701 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2008 19:34:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4f.W4tUVM1nYIscSdX7IXvqMlrgB5krTC3mOiUL4FQyFx_yiTHse9upTZ94sObuR.g-- X-Received: from [72.79.231.19] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:34:27 PDT Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1211135370.3540.66101.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <251611.25367.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Congressman pushes for amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=bjR-SccgwMt6umGzR4yNAdNeIM1IhyljfbGyXiKpArLF_V6Wa_hO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I don't consider Markie a "commie liberal" but I do think he's a bit obsessive and misguided in his concerns over amusement parks. It's impossible to regulate stupidity, which is the cause of many park accidents (usually on the part of the patrons). Parks have a big stake in making sure their parks are safe; every accident costs a lot of money both short-term and long-term. It's another matter as to whether the insurance companies are the best people to police this, though. On the surface, it looks logical since every accident means that the insurance company has to pay out money. But they usually pass that along to the park in the form of increased rates. So for the insurance companies (in a strange sort of way) accidents mean increased revenue. Jay From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Sun May 18 12:43:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66068 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 19:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 19:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.48) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 19:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id T5sD1Z0071GhbT8550DJ00; Sun, 18 May 2008 19:43:57 +0000 X-Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([24.34.179.34]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id T7jw1Z00J0kvCWG3T00000; Sun, 18 May 2008 19:43:57 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bjCZ8YFDXscA:10 a=bw2CmyXhlzsA:10 a=qqHjr1EEOQHakoweGFoA:9 a=obeQ_SAOqe9_Mu1EzesA:7 a=gTxFVu3G_fZjHOn_SqCi8Fvl05cA:4 a=xfNXT5P86egA:10 Message-Id: <65B59D97-60DA-4F25-8269-DB1D6327BEE5@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1211135370.3540.66101.m45@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:43:58 -0400 References: <1211135370.3540.66101.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 2953 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=H0P3pENcY3lscyD1-J_RC7ZMlnly9IISsPMf7vrMeo7ubNjyfKGk2w X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Briguy wrote: > > > I'm sorry, and I mean no disrespect to the family of Kaitlin > Lassiter, but > its time for that commy liberal, > Ed Markey to go. He is an absolute enemy of the amusement park > industry. > Ride accidents are going to > happen, and its a shame when it does, but they are machines, and > machines > sometimes malfunction. > Do we go after the auto industry every time someone is killed in a car > accident? I don't think so. It's already > getting to the point that the industry is becoming discrimatory to > certain > people due to weight issues, or > other things. I honestly think that if Ed Markey got his way, the > amusement > industry would cease to > exist. Whatever state he is from, and I think its Massachusetts, if > he is up > for re-election this year, I think > its time to make him unelectable, before he causes any more trouble > for > people just out trying to enjoy > being Americans, and having fun! I've got my differences with Markey, but this is a pretty nonsensical response to the proposal for federal jurisdiction over fixed-site rides (the same as there is federal jurisdiction over carnival rides). The automobile industry is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country, and when a particular model has a defect, NHTSA has authority to investigate and force changes, recalls, etc. There's no equivalent federal oversight in fixed-site rides. What the Markey bill would do is to provide the CPSC the jurisdiction to investigate incidents afterwards, see if there are lessons that can be learned for elsewhere, and provide a national view on incident rates, etc. There are plenty of criticisms to make of the expansion of CPSC oversight, and my support for Markey's bill is moderate at best, but it's far from a "commy liberal" provision, nor does the automobile regulatory status provide you any basis for criticism of it. As for it threatening the continued existence of the industry, carnivals seem to continue to exist despite CPSC involvement. -Bill From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun May 18 14:13:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98851 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 21:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 21:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 21:13:16 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c36so436585ana.51 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.33.4 with SMTP id g4mr1411958ang.128.1211145195614; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.212.15 with HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0805181413s2da1bea5s71ea51171a484624@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:13:15 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <65B59D97-60DA-4F25-8269-DB1D6327BEE5@law.wnec.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1211135370.3540.66101.m45@yahoogroups.com> <65B59D97-60DA-4F25-8269-DB1D6327BEE5@law.wnec.edu> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 2953 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=dQA2ZzkltTKAw713YtwNTXImD_je_JU11oYdmy-k6nTbEwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Sounds to me like you're another FREEDOM HATING LIBERAL COMMIE -mike (sarcasm, I hope that's obvious) > > I've got my differences with Markey, but this is a pretty nonsensical > response to the proposal for federal jurisdiction over fixed-site > rides (the same as there is federal jurisdiction over carnival > rides). The automobile industry is one of the most heavily regulated > industries in the country, and when a particular model has a defect, > NHTSA has authority to investigate and force changes, recalls, etc. > There's no equivalent federal oversight in fixed-site rides. What the > Markey bill would do is to provide the CPSC the jurisdiction to > investigate incidents afterwards, see if there are lessons that can be > learned for elsewhere, and provide a national view on incident rates, > etc. > > There are plenty of criticisms to make of the expansion of CPSC > oversight, and my support for Markey's bill is moderate at best, but > it's far from a "commy liberal" provision, nor does the automobile > regulatory status provide you any basis for criticism of it. As for > it threatening the continued existence of the industry, carnivals seem > to continue to exist despite CPSC involvement. > > -Bill > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun May 18 16:02:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90471 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 23:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 23:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 23:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-228-87.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.228.87] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JxrtI-0000H9-PE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 18 May 2008 19:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: <4830B483.9070201@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:58:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786b18a26d5f1c9fda6c0d38121a09ecb298cd7d08fba97619350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Congressman pushes for amusement park regulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=yvV91geWONs34PSgMnucxwSkJHrJXgMhR11zKXxJLxBJAl0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > > > I'm sorry, and I mean no disrespect to the family of Kaitlin Lassiter, but > its time for that commy liberal, > Ed Markey to go. Funny, but if my fuzzy memory of history is correct, weren't "commies" originally more extreme conservatives in the US than liberals? In any case, as much as I might disagree with Markey, I don't think that's a good reason for labeling and name calling, even if they were accurate (which they're not) He is an absolute enemy of the amusement park industry. I don't agree with that. Misguided? Yes. Mistaken? Perhaps. Enemy? No. As I've read about what he's trying to do, I think that he's actually trying to do what he thinks is for the better- for both the parks and the people in them. However, I also think that he's going about it the wrong way and working an issue that doesn't need to be worked. > Ride accidents are going to > happen, and its a shame when it does, but they are machines, and machines > sometimes malfunction. No disagreements there. > Do we go after the auto industry every time someone is killed in a car > accident? I don't think so. Or sports, or trampolines, or skate boards, or skis, or trains, or any of various other devices that injure and kill far more than amusement parks do every year. I've no disagreements with you on that one. It's already > getting to the point that the industry is becoming discrimatory to certain > people due to weight issues, or > other things. Discriminatory? I'm sorry, but I think you're on a limb there that is liable to break under you. It's not the industry's fault that people are getting fatter and can no longer fit into something designed for the average person. It's why Small World at Disneyland is having to be revamped- because the boats and trough could no longer handle the loads of people that were much larger than it was designed to handle- simply because people are getting larger. It's not discrimination to keep someone off of something that would be dangerous for them to ride because they can't fit properly, that's basic safety. Without trying to be harsh, it's not the parks and manufacturers' fault that people aren't more discriminatory about what and how much they eat and exercise. But that whole topic is a tangent completely unrelated to Mr. Markey and his proposed legislation. I honestly think that if Ed Markey got his way, the amusement > industry would cease to > exist. Then you obviously haven't looked at what his proposal really is and what it would do. It would add more regulation and inspection, and more cost- almost all of which would be needless and not prevent the few accidents that have happened in the past, but it wouldn't put the parks out of business. It wouldn't even limit the types of rides that would be built- just who regulates, inspects, reports, and monitors the rides. Whatever state he is from, and I think its Massachusetts, if he > is up > for re-election this year, I think > its time to make him unelectable, before he causes any more trouble for > people just out trying to enjoy > being Americans, and having fun! > Well, since this has been an issue on his plate for many years, he's been reelected several times since he first started to propose it, then obviously those who actually vote for him would tend to disagree with you. Or at least realize that this one issue isn't the only important issue and the only one worth looking at when deciding who to vote for. It would take a lot more than disagreeing with someone on amusement park regulation to make me change my vote on them. I would hope that you would consider more than that also when it comes to who you vote for. Especially in an election year as important as this one. /end history-poli/sci buff rant. :P keep on ridin' George From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun May 18 17:39:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89497 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 00:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 00:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 00:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cfa.33a91300 (14467) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:39:30 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Congressman pushes for amusement park regulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=DiZ6znmpUAZn9KSE4w_dzxgeqPcUWdICg_g14wAQapINgJ5G7A X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, as I really wasn't trying to stir up any political discussions here, I am just tired of seeing his name pop up after every amusement disaster. Its like fingers on a chalk board when I hear his name mentioned. It just seems like more and more regulation is coming down year after year, and as it was put in the last post, its needless. 50 years ago, we didn't have such things and stuff wasn't happening. People were not just falling out of rides all the time or anything. That's why I can't understand why seat belts are now popping up on coasters that ran for decades without them and no one died or got hurt on them. Well, that's enough of my soap box on Ed Markey I guess. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 18 17:44:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54044 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 00:44:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 00:44:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0104.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 00:44:48 -0000 X-Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0104.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0FC26A510 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 17:44:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 X-Received: by dm25.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm25.482c468e.a3bd for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 17:44:48 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIMM2ALnH/iAIAAAAB,61810b56d8b41999e5e3d231fa1de531 Message-ID: <30D621065C1446738AE4F5CCB2041795@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <251611.25367.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <251611.25367.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:45:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Congressman pushes for amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=5voyf2zTgaP0bQwgQcXjdWMFOLJhUVNzgpCMxE8bvbcu4FQ9thjmlkDC0w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, I've kind of trained myself to ignore any news bit that has Markie's name in it over the past few years. While he has many misguided ideas (and some not so misguided) the problem is that he's been barking over the same issues for so long and been turned down so many times that it just seems like no one is going to listen. I know nothing about the guy or the rest of work he has done in office since I'm not local to his area, but in a way it's almost like his name has become synonmous being the political media whore for "Amusement Park Safety" in much the same what that the video game industry has their own anti-industry media whore in the form of lawyer Jack Thompson who has apparently brought up so many pointless lawsuits against game companies he has almost been disbarred... My point of view has always been that clearly the current system isn't perfect... but some of the huge sweeping industry overlord style proposals out there will just cause more damage and expense than their worth. A good case in point was when California put a lot of the amusement industry oversight power into Cal-OSHA a few years ago. It's bogged things down quite a bit more with how things work and what has to be done when an accident happens, but I don't think it's caused the types of problems people were worried about. I'm still thinking maybe we need a more middle-line approach to thing and to start things off with perhaps some new federal guidelines to ever everyone on the same playing field. A good example of this is what's going on in Kentucky as one of the states who allow underage kids to run rides. Having a 15 year old running one of the ops panels on Superman last summer could have been a factor in that high profile accident and I agree that all ride ops should be 18 years old. My feeling is this... operating a ride is like running any other piece of large machinery where people's lives can be in your hands and I believe there is a federal requirement that you have to be 18 to have a CDL (Commercial Drivers License) so why not just follow the same logic there and make it a federal requirement that all rides be run by 18+. Underage people can still work queues... photo booths, check heights in front of the rides, etc, but to work on the ride platform, at the ride itself or on the panel... you've got to be 18. Lets start there and move on to other issues one at a time before we make sweeping changes and involve people and government departments that don't have the slightest clue about the amusement industry. Another thing to be asking is... what happens in other countries? How do they handle things? Japan... a country often thought of having tight controls, rules and regs and such... was just exposed last year as well after the big Expoland coaster accident when it turned out that not only Expoland but a ton of other parks had not been following the rules about how often coasters and other rides were inspected. They had a nice big set of rules in place... but it was all for show because they had no system of checking to make sure that the work was done or enforcing the laws it seems. And that's what I more worried about happening here in the US, that a huge expense and show would be put on to create a new oversight group who doesn't have the staff, knowledge or power to enforce anything. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Congressman pushes for amusement park I don't consider Markie a "commie liberal" but I do think he's a bit obsessive and misguided in his concerns over amusement parks. It's impossible to regulate stupidity, which is the cause of many park accidents (usually on the part of the patrons). Parks have a big stake in making sure their parks are safe; every accident costs a lot of money both short-term and long-term. It's another matter as to whether the insurance companies are the best people to police this, though. On the surface, it looks logical since every accident means that the insurance company has to pay out money. But they usually pass that along to the park in the form of increased rates. So for the insurance companies (in a strange sort of way) accidents mean increased revenue. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 19 07:17:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57901 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 14:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 14:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 14:17:04 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so1185762rvf.36 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:17:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.169.11 with SMTP id w11mr3702138rvo.76.1211206623835; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:17:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:17:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Dominator 1st Ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=WmMhDFfA1EHcyEeqZdchUrmA_UbnAOU49Jln1iTjhMp-famcXwbxPno X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Of course, there's really no such thing as a bad seat, and Nate is > absolutely right, the right side will provide great visuals on the > first drop, as well as the high speed flyby directly after the loop. Actually, now that I think about it, I may have actually preferred the left side of the train, since you really get whipped around that first drop. That's really just being super picky though, as any seat on the ride should be just fine. And you'll get plenty of opportunities to find your own "best seat". ;) -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 19 07:40:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32016 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 14:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 14:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.224) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 14:40:05 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so1355841rvb.3 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:40:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr3695719rvi.269.1211208005335; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:40:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.5 with HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:40:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Congressman pushes for amusement park regulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=x1MFf2jWsrCcwYz5QQJuR6vNiolksgG-gYD-kwgjt8cNjAa7L-aci5s X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > 50 years ago, we didn't have such things and stuff > wasn't happening. People were not > just falling out of rides all the time or anything. Really? You don't think rides are safer now than they were 50 years ago? As if it's even accurate to compare today's rides with those built 50 years ago given the advances in technology. I'd agree that Markey's proposals may be a bit unnecessary, but they're not really going to hurt the industry in the slightest. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon May 19 17:54:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60721 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.139) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 00:54:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 00:54:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 00:54:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:54:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Jungala X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=SVamPf8TgIR9Tum0r20hmOHKMBG33gq9OQKJYzKCkqqhpLNCiwUG54J5cA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 so we went to Jungala yesterday. a few odd things though. i assumed the=20 gliders went from one end to another, but they actually glide back to=20 the starting point. i didnt see any real form of mechanism to make them=20 move though. some simple gravitational movement of some sort?=20 also, they have a sort of launch tower, but it seems to be operated by=20 cables and pulleys, instead of hydrolics?=20 and lastly, if you are more than 5' tall, do NOT try and crawl through=20 the nettings. the damn things are held together with these little metal=20 balls that kill your feet and you bump your head on them constantly.=20 for a kid, its fun. as an adult, its a torture chamber.=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon May 19 19:28:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68849 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 02:28:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 02:28:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 02:28:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 02:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 02:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 02:28:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 02:28:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Travelling through the Midwest(ish) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=IBxGXZDvptQWhbRU71TBSk_3Zf9pu3Q2vBphDISUkjiSnvdVFA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 So, I'll be doing a whirlwind trip from Texas to Missouri next week. If=20 anyone is in TX, OK, AR, KS or MO, drop me a line, maybe we can cross=20 paths? Chris From lance@screamscape.com Mon May 19 19:37:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99628 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 02:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 02:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0104.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 02:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0104.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79412691A2 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.48289455.113bb0 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:37:19 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIMjlfW0GNWgIAAAAB,d31eaac646e0991d7c2fddbf141f5395 Message-ID: <8EFDEB34BCE9474CBA8FC2DCB33FA28E@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:37:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jungala X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Rik5eSrEDy8K9CX70o_rspU60tgwrWTidHJnXckUKeuKyMmcHByBE2WnnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the subject of Jungala's Zip gliders... I've got few pictures on Screamscape that can help you out with your questions. http://www.screamscape.com/html/bgt_-_jungala_22.htm Take a look at the glider in the link above... notice those two yellow posts on either side of it? When the gliders are ready to dispatch, they lift up in the air to a point where the cable on that side is higher than the cable at the end-point tower. The brakes release and the glide slides down the hill until it comes to a stop close to the far end. At this point those two posts lower themselves down to the bottom again, lowering the cable on that side and reversing the angle of the cable so that gravity will do all the work and pull the glider back into the station. Here is another link to a wider shot of the station where you can see sevral gliders and those yellow cable posts. http://www.screamscape.com/html/bgt_-_jungala_21.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Nelson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Jungala so we went to Jungala yesterday. a few odd things though. i assumed the gliders went from one end to another, but they actually glide back to the starting point. i didnt see any real form of mechanism to make them move though. some simple gravitational movement of some sort? also, they have a sort of launch tower, but it seems to be operated by cables and pulleys, instead of hydrolics? and lastly, if you are more than 5' tall, do NOT try and crawl through the nettings. the damn things are held together with these little metal balls that kill your feet and you bump your head on them constantly. for a kid, its fun. as an adult, its a torture chamber. 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--YCalReminder=pgCv5MOiUSEbBUGb9vYniMW1211262615-1-- From scarecrow_1_3@yahoo.com Thu May 22 21:32:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scarecrow_1_3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60212 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 04:32:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 04:32:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 04:32:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 04:32:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 04:32:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 04:32:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 04:32:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.82.9.99 From: "scarecrow_1_3" Subject: new here X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284487457; y=vFzVm01HhtJgWlu4zHLE0XWQOm5ZoVbtewHC4AdVOcT5oSQqNWFxrA X-Yahoo-Profile: scarecrow_1_3 hey all out there in rct just wanted to say hi and let you all know im=20 going to six flags st.louis this mon and tuesday ill write a review of=20 the park . and thank you for letting me in i guess 6 flags stl is my=20 home park but im also close to holiday world as i live in metropolis=20 ill used to be close to opryland but no more ill write back soon and=20 my fav at stl is mr.freeze whats yours (any OR all parks)? From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu May 22 22:50:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45359 invoked by uid 7800); 23 May 2008 05:50:20 -0000 Date: 23 May 2008 05:50:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1211521820.9.45358.m55@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=DcMGCbraAQLntRSawRqgRPR1hGWT1211521818-1" --YCalReminder=DcMGCbraAQLntRSawRqgRPR1hGWT1211521818-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Canada's Wonderland opened Friday May 23, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Vaughan, Ontario, Canada Notes: On this date in 1981, Canada's Wonderland opened. (It would later become Paramount Canada's Wonderland - 1993 - and them back to Canada's Wonderland - 2007.) All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=DcMGCbraAQLntRSawRqgRPR1hGWT1211521818-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=D1OIw741xIkCjfEQRda4GRR1211521818-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 23 07:51:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34690 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 14:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 14:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 14:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 14:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 14:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 14:51:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:51:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: WDW's Hotels Achieve Green Lodging Designation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vBlZysJg54HzkyZJxUvprvm0x4TxwkhbWcKKqUZUm4Ryq1o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 23, 2008 Green Lodging News Greener Buildings http://greenerbuildings.com/news/2008/05/23/floridas-disney-hotels-all-achi= eve-states-green-lodging-designation By Glenn Hasek TALLAHASSEE, FL -- Florida Governor Charlie Crist last week applauded Walt Disney Parks & Resorts (WDW) for its achievement of 100% of its lodging properties earning the Florida Department of Environmental Protection's (DEP) Green Lodging Program designation, covering all 24 of its resort hotels. "I applaud WDW's compelling participation in the Florida Green Lodging Program (FGLP)," said Governor Crist. "Through its commitment, Disney is demonstrating the importance of environmental stewardship to thousands of employees and millions of guests." Launched in 2004 by the Florida DEP, the FGLP establishes environmental guidelines for hotels and motels to conserve natural resources and prevent pollution. The program is voluntary, is considered a national model, and is experiencing phenomenal growth. Florida is recommending designated properties in the FGLP to companies and trade organizations seeking environmentally conscious lodging and convention facilities. To date, the program has more than 165 designated properties across the state and more than 335 applicants. Disney Dedicated from Day One "This is a milestone achievement for the program, and WDW has been a part of the program since its inception," said DEP Secretary Michael Sole. "With each new designation of a property in Florida, we are conserving our natural resources while at the same time strengthening the state's economy." On July 13, 2007, Governor Crist signed a suite of executive orders to reduce Florida's greenhouse gas emissions, increase energy efficiency, and remove market barriers for renewable energy technologies. One of the executive orders requires state agencies and departments to hold meetings and conferences only at hotels with FGLP designation whenever possible. According to the Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Florida has nearly 5,000 hotels, motels, and bed-&-breakfast venues, with nearly 400,000 guestrooms serving 35-40 million guests annually. Including the nearly 24,000 rooms and 440,000 sq-ft of conference space at WDW, properties that together represent more than 50,000 hotel rooms are now flying the FGLP flag. Energy Waste Targeted To receive designation, the WDW properties installed Energy Star rated equipment, energy efficient lighting, and timers on outdoor lighting, reducing greenhouse gas emissions as well as utility costs. In addition, the resorts also implemented a towel and linen reuse program and low-flow faucets and showerheads, and hotels are recycling newspaper, office paper and aluminum cans. Some hotels have installed tinted/double-paned windows. "WDW's commitment to conservation began with Walt Disney himself more than 50 years ago," said Jerry Montgomery, senior VP of Conservation & Environmental Sustainability for WDW. "Our participation in FGLP demonstrates our company's continued dedication to resource conservation which translates into sound business practices and positive experiences for our guests." Disney's BoardWalk Inn was the first hotel in Florida to receive the state's FGLP designation in 2004. Since then, the remaining 22 hotels at WDW and Disney's Vero Beach Resort have also received the designation, culminating with Disney's Yacht and Beach Club Resort in April 2008. Serve to Preserve Summit Planned Governor Crist recently announced the 2008 Serve to Preserve Florida Summit on Global Climate Change, June 25-26, 2008, at the InterContinental Miami. Designated in 2007, the InterContinental Miami is also a member of the FGLP. Since its designation nearly a year ago, the property has saved more than 2.5 million gallons of water and conserved more than 325,000 kilowatt hours of electricity--resulting in savings of more than $65,000 for the facility. The 2008 Serve to Preserve Florida Summit on Global Climate Change will focus on stimulating economic development in clean technologies as well as greening Florida's business community. The 2008 summit will bring together industry leaders, policy makers, academics, scientists, environmentalists and the business community to explore opportunities for expanding Florida's renewable and alternative energy marketplace and greening the business community. ------------------ =A9 Greener World Media, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 23 07:59:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25726 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 14:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 14:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 14:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 14:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 14:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 14:59:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:59:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Disney_parks_Roll-out_WALL=95E?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=AFluUywUajX1vJGJI2c5V9AM6p11IxwVtBwS_OIDjHu3o-U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 22, 2008 Budget Travel http://current.newsweek.com/budgettravel/2008/05/disney_parks_get_a_little_= char.html by: Anthony Falcone BURBANK, CA -- It looks like WALL=95E, the pint-sized star of Disney-Pixar's newest computer-animated feature, may be coming to theme parks as part of Disney's "Living Character Initiative." Lou Mongello of disneyworldtrivia.com first reported the rumors of the "live" interactive character on his Disney World podcast, and he recently posted some video to back up his claims. http://www.vimeo.com/1014358 The video, shot by a /film.com contributor, shows a Disney employee on the streets of Los Angeles with a rolling, talking=97well, beeping anyway=97and very real WALL=95E. WALL=95E appears to be the latest in Disney's "Living Character Initiative." The bold project by Disney Imagineering has the goal of creating "living" characters who can actually interact with theme park guests. It's been rolled out in phases. It started with a talking garbage can at Tomorrowland, and advanced to the far more sophisticated "Turtle Talk with Crush," where youngsters in a theater can actually talk to (and get answers from) a high-quality computer rendition of Crush in his tank. The kids eat it up, and as an adult, you'll not only be floored by the "cute" factor, but your inner geek will wonder just how they do that! I was actually able to see first-hand how a talking garbage can at Disney's Animal Kingdom was operated. But I won't ruin the magic for you! ------------------ Copyright =A92008 Newsweek Budget Travel, Inc. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri May 23 08:01:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 867 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 15:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 15:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 15:01:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26514 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 15:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 May 2008 15:01:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4836DC37.7040908@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:01:11 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] new here X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=gI_hySWgWkTUz-AVMhVPI2mB7NL4EuVEsc2u222vWNgR5IuV X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey There, Welcome to the list! I was fortunate enough to visit SFSTl last year and really had a great time, the park was completely beyond my expectations. Have fun, and I look forward to reading your report! Cameron. scarecrow_1_3 wrote: > hey all out there in rct just wanted to say hi and let you all know im > going to six flags st.louis this mon and tuesday ill write a review of > the park . and thank you for letting me in i guess 6 flags stl is my > home park but im also close to holiday world as i live in metropolis > ill used to be close to opryland but no more ill write back soon and > my fav at stl is mr.freeze whats yours (any OR all parks)? > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 23 08:06:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58684 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 15:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 15:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 15:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 15:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 15:06:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:06:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Toy Story Mania! Premers May 31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KMtoaWWY_MzeMAi9i8d9SiWSUmT2erl7am4210VkcTn7lb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 5/22/2008 Magical Mountain.Net http://www.magicalmountain.net/WDWNewsDetail.asp?page=3D1&NewsID=3D1907&typ= e=3D1&tag=3D LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Walt Disney World (WDW) guests start donning 3-D glasses and entering a wild and wooly 4-D world of Woody, Buzz and other favorite "Toy Story" characters when Toy Story Mania! (TSM!) makes its grand premiere May 31 at Disney's Hollywood Studios. As part of Disney's "Year of a Million Dreams," the attraction will also debut on the West Coast, with a scheduled opening in Disney's California Adventure at Disneyland Resort June 17. Inspired by the Disney-Pixar films "Toy Story" and "Toy Story 2," TSM! raises the bar for interactive ride-game attractions. It's a high-energy, immersive adventure that puts guests right in the action as their game play triggers fun surprises that provide a 4th dimension of fun. TSM! engages guests in a whole new way with the delightful characters of the films. In the timeless tradition of Disney storytelling, TSM! takes its inspiration from the fact that Andy's toys spring to life whenever he is away. Soon after Andy got a "Midway Games Play Set" for his latest birthday, the toys jumped at their first chance to open the box and set up the game booths and carnival trams so everyone could ride and play. That means "no assembly required" for their game-playing guests - just nonstop fun. (That is, until Andy gets home!) Upon entering the attraction, guests are welcomed by Mr. Potato Head, more than 5'-tall and looking like he stepped right down from the movie screen. The state-of-the-art Audio-Animatronics Mr. Potato Head makes a perfect carnival barker, capable of engaging guests in 2-way conversation and encouraging them to "step right up" for the immersive TSM! experience. Everyone gets a front row seat when guests put on their 3-D glasses, "shrink" to the size of a toy and board TSM! carnival tram ride vehicles which add a huge amount of fun to the interactive experience. The exciting and colorful route takes guests through "Andy's Bedroom" filled with oversized murals and toys. The vehicles angle to face TSM! game booths -- high-tech yet rooted in classic midway games of skill -- and guests aim for 3-D animated targets using their own on-board spring-action shooters. Players pair up and sit side-by-side for a friendly competition that delivers an ever-changing variety of targets and surprises. As they play, guests can actually see the "virtual" objects they've launched leave their spring-action shooters and hit (or miss) the targets. And thanks to 4-D special effects technology, they may sense objects whirring past them as they pop out of the 3-D scenes. The TSM! games -- 5 of them, plus an introductory practice round -- are designed to be enjoyed by audiences of all ages and skills, from beginners to experienced gamers. Play is energized by the spirit of the "Toy Story" characters cast in games that best suit their very animated personalities. First comes the "Pie Throw Practice" round in which guests can try splattering targets with virtual pies. Next, Hamm hosts a "Hamm & Eggs" booth in which players launch plastic virtual eggs at various barnyard targets. "Bo Peep's Baaa-loon Pop" presents a landscape full of balloon sheep, trees and other objects at which guests can launch virtual darts. But players had better be careful! A popped virtual water balloon might add an additional 4-D wet dimension to the game. From there it's on to "Green Army Men Shoot Camp" where the challenge is to break plates with virtual baseballs. Next up is "Buzz Lightyear's Flying Tossers," a ring-toss game hosted by everyone's favorite space ranger, with Little Green Aliens as the targets. For the grand finale game, TSM! players ride through Wild West scenes launching virtual suction-cup darts at targets in "Woody's Rootin' Tootin' Shootin' Gallery." A final "Woody's Bonus Roundup" encourages guests to fire their spring-action shooters as rapidly as possible at one last super target for extra points. When scores are tallied, players' skill levels are identified and they can see how they've done compared to the high scores. The game play of TSM! is accompanied by creative musical variations of Randy Newman's "You've Got A Friend in Me," arranged by veteran music editor Bruno Coon, a frequent Newman collaborator, to complement the games -- for example, a military brass band version for "Green Army Men Shoot Camp." No matter how many times guests return to ride and play, they can be sure every ride-through will seem different. -------------- =A9 2002-2008 Magical Mountain, LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 23 08:13:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86502 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 15:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 15:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 15:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 15:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 15:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 15:13:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:13:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney Resorts Going 3-D on Google Earth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jKGnWYTqbuQwcK-MLQKj1ajEUTmdVo5QMRgxEfBxECFvkIs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 22, 2008 Click Z http://blog.clickz.com/080522-75421.html By Anna Maria Virzi MOUNTAIN VIEW, CA-- From the folks who brought the Hannah Montana concert tour to the movie screen in 3-D, next up: Disney Resorts in 3-D on Google Earth. Walt Disney Parks and Resorts has been working with Google to develop a virtual tour of the Magic Kingdom, Epcot, and other properties, USA Today reports. Visitors will be able to see rides like Splash Mountain, hotels, and other attractions in 3-D. While the interactive map was to go live May 20, it's apparently not ready yet. "Mickey and friends are working away to make it great, but it's currently still in development," reads a note from the Magic Kingdom. ------------- Copyright 2008 Incisive Interactive Marketing LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 23 08:15:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74302 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 15:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 15:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 15:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 15:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 15:15:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:15:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: new here X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GYykjH2jK2W5AVULZ7R8G5Uj8C_xKseReBHNSRDlSPUD2yA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Scarecrow, Welcome! I'm looking forward to your review -- never having been there myself. ttfn...Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "scarecrow_1_3" wrote: > > hey all out there in rct just wanted to say hi and let you all know im=20 > going to six flags st.louis this mon and tuesday ill write a review of=20 > the park . and thank you for letting me in i guess 6 flags stl is my=20 > home park but im also close to holiday world as i live in metropolis=20 > ill used to be close to opryland but no more ill write back soon and=20 > my fav at stl is mr.freeze whats yours (any OR all parks)? From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri May 23 08:49:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61909 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 15:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 15:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 15:49:56 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b20so175037ana.48 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 08:49:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.33.11 with SMTP id g11mr2338449ang.51.1211557793191; Fri, 23 May 2008 08:49:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.13.10 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 08:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0805230849w59eca7day738a4bbe7c5a75c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:49:53 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: new here X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=O3R4Tu3APfU0WHnn6iDnazIiWRLadh23S4sXGCdqMKVlxCc X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I made it there on a whim during last years road trip and the park was much nicer than I expected. I didn't get to ride all of the coasters, but I did get on Mr. Freeze which was really fun. The Boss was not as bad as I expected, but it wasn't that good either. The other woodie (screamin eagle?) was fun, but kind of lacking. I think the only other ride we made it on was the superman drop tower. I'm a big fan of the intamin 2nd gens, and this one was no let down. Beautiful view of the city and the surrounding landscape. And since the park was closing and we were among the last in line, they let us stay on for another drop. The park was beautiful, with a lot of fountains and gardens and the employees were all very nice. We didn't make it over by Batman, however, so I can't talk about that 1/2 of the park. Overall it was definitely worth the extra 3-4 hours of driving for Mr. Freeze alone. Have fun -Mike On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Alan wrote: > Scarecrow, > Welcome! > I'm looking forward to your review -- never having been there myself. > > ttfn...Alan > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "scarecrow_1_3" > > wrote: >> >> hey all out there in rct just wanted to say hi and let you all know im >> going to six flags st.louis this mon and tuesday ill write a review of >> the park . and thank you for letting me in i guess 6 flags stl is my >> home park but im also close to holiday world as i live in metropolis >> ill used to be close to opryland but no more ill write back soon and >> my fav at stl is mr.freeze whats yours (any OR all parks)? > > From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Fri May 23 12:58:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82193 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 19:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 19:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n74b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.47) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 19:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n74.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 19:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.153] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 19:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 19:58:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 537457.10165.bm@omp401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89690 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2008 19:58:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .qBtCUMVM1koxTituc9ePsThCqiHNfBVfaNKOgmRexdhjIqE2SrhnnRBiRkt48mWsclRdiufFrjaIT0ObJYrY2bElVvFiBqXStDKkA-- X-Received: from [70.126.126.137] by web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:58:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:58:34 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <433846.86718.qm@web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.45.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Off Topic: Cheating Gas Stations During the Summer Driving Months X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=CCh074VEdoWYtSTVd4a13b-kRyBRHF9snnTI79goSuvL9pf-qLGn X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheating gas stations. =A0 You need to read this. This is a true story, so read it carefully.On April = 24, 2008, I stopped At a Kangaroo BP gas station, located at 1325 Main Stre= et , Cartersville,GA.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 My truck's gas gauge was on 1/4 of a tank. I use the mid-grade, which was p= riced at $3.71 per gallon.=20 When my tank is at this point, it takes somewhere around 14 gallons to fill= it up.=20 When the pump showed 14 gallons had been pumped I began to slow it down, th= en to my surprise it=20 went to 15, then 16.=20 I even looked under my truck to see if it was being spilled. It was not.=20 Then it showed 17 gallons had been pumped. It stopped at almost=A018 gallon= s.=A0=A0This was very strange to me, since my truck has only an 18 gallon t= ank.=20 I went on my way a little confused, then on the evening news I heard a repo= rt that 1 out of 4 gas stations had calibrated their pumps to show more gas= had been pumped than a person actually got.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 Here is how to check a pump to see if you are getting the right amount: Whi= chever=A0grade you are using, put EXACTLY 10 GALLONS in your tank, then loo= k at the dollar amount, if the dollar amount is not EXACTLY 10 times the pr= ice of the fuel you have chosen, then the pumps are rigged. In my case as I= =A0 said the mid-grade was $3..71 9/10 per gallon, my dollar amount for 10 = gallons should have been $37.19.=20 If=A0 I had only check the pump. It doesn't matter where you pump gas, plea= se check the 10 gallon price.=20 If you do find a station that is cheating, contact the State Agriculture De= partment.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 This was sent to the group to alert you as I'm sure most of us will be spen= ding time at parks this summer...=A0 they're expensive enough as it is with= out being "taken" at gas stations while driving to them. Be on the look-out for these stations.=A0 I know the next time I fill-up I'= ll be putting this to the test. Joe Tampa Bay, FL =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 23 13:07:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83199 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 20:07:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 20:07:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.225) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 20:07:35 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1060674rvf.41 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:07:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.147.18 with SMTP id u18mr837547rvd.202.1211573255377; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:07:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.252.18 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:07:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <433846.86718.qm@web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <433846.86718.qm@web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Cheating Gas Stations During the Summer Driving Months X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=YhwXCn55mvtWN1mBFR2c4OO7OvrWClJaN6ZbFPimB3KkB-6munGDPhs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Here is how to check a pump to see if you are getting the right amount: > Whichever grade you are using, put EXACTLY 10 GALLONS in your tank, Even if this were true (which I'm quite certain it isn't), putting exactly 10 gallons into the tank and looking at the dollar amount isn't going to do anything to indicate whether the tank is rigged or not, since the price is directly linked to the display that indicates how many gallons have been pumped. -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri May 23 13:34:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87533 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 20:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 20:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 20:33:58 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so677466wfg.10 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:33:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.87.7 with SMTP id k7mr781936wfb.167.1211574838056; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:33:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.4 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0805231333r35e14777mcc727d28d3cb71b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:33:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Cheating Gas Stations During the Summer Drivi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ZPj7hIv5zg5Fv8Vkrw-MODyYUA_cXP5kxs3vmur62zSICPP24w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Definitely not a true story. I saw this on snopes about a month ago. I am mobile now so I can't get the link, but it is on there. I will try and find it when I get home and link it. -Josh On 5/23/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> Here is how to check a pump to see if you are getting the right amount: >> Whichever grade you are using, put EXACTLY 10 GALLONS in your tank, > > Even if this were true (which I'm quite certain it isn't), putting > exactly 10 gallons into the tank and looking at the dollar amount > isn't going to do anything to indicate whether the tank is rigged or > not, since the price is directly linked to the display that indicates > how many gallons have been pumped. > > -Nate > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 23 13:52:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16408 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 20:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 20:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 20:52:03 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so1004557rvb.12 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.122.20 with SMTP id z20mr853691rvm.239.1211575923430; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.252.18 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:52:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0805231333r35e14777mcc727d28d3cb71b2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0805231333r35e14777mcc727d28d3cb71b2@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Cheating Gas Stations During the Summer Drivi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=XZQIV_P6RgnmGl7GzOTgMb6158tHwzhoEr_oAKPDZvO6S88UO4RdOqo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Definitely not a true story. I saw this on snopes about a month ago. > I am mobile now so I can't get the link, but it is on there. > > I will try and find it when I get home and link it. It's right here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/cheating.asp As if a gas station even has the ability to rig a pump as described in the story... -Nate From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Fri May 23 14:38:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27620 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 21:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 21:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.42) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 21:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 21:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.157] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 21:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 21:38:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 695356.86781.bm@omp405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 90971 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2008 21:38:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TfdybqUVM1nOzsKaTky.OPBHClx.Ors6lRH9ZOrCYHTU9aptZZGsdL5wcJE7aVyGNc740fDZTUc4nmRUsgQvfauwIbtDi6w0IpLsuksaBsTzMe8k2u7rpnCtAvc- X-Received: from [70.126.126.137] by web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:38:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:38:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <545095.89866.qm@web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Cheating Gas Stations During the Summer Driving Months X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=Klw_hnqxS3jdNgQH-6WSFw3d9fedX0GkowarEnKUwoVm3MdOju72 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know...=A0 I am tired of people reporting stuff, and sending it out ove= r the net.=A0 I just checked the email on=20 www.snopes.com and am ticked off.=A0 I am sending an email to everyone that= sends me stuff like this not to do so unless you check it out on this website. This site seems to be very reputable, and I apologize for sending this out.= =A0 I am checking out everything that is sent and received. Joe Tampa Bay, FL ----- Original Message ---- From: Nate Kohlrusch To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:07:35 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Cheating Gas Stations During th= e Summer Driving Months > Here is how to check a pump to see if you are getting the right amount: > Whichever grade you are using, put EXACTLY 10 GALLONS in your tank, Even if this were true (which I'm quite certain it isn't), putting exactly 10 gallons into the tank and looking at the dollar amount isn't going to do anything to indicate whether the tank is rigged or not, since the price is directly linked to the display that indicates how many gallons have been pumped. -Nate =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri May 23 22:50:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3623 invoked by uid 7800); 24 May 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Date: 24 May 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1211608216.16.3622.m43@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=OxrzLNMYhI2qh7at8BLLQxIo1WdCmWN1211608214-1" --YCalReminder=OxrzLNMYhI2qh7at8BLLQxIo1WdCmWN1211608214-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=OxrzLNMYhI2qh7at8BLLQxIo1WdCmWN1211608214-1-- From coastermanokc@cox.net Fri May 23 23:10:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94954 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 06:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 06:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.240.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 06:10:20 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080524061019.WVTP26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sat, 24 May 2008 02:10:19 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.95.62]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id VJAJ1Z0091LkdGs02JAJkU; Sat, 24 May 2008 02:10:19 -0400 To: Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 01:10:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aci6IUJa9RikAm9WSc+hF/zJiUMMdgDQr7gg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080524061019.WVTP26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.8 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Travelling through the Midwest(ish) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=nA21WJsz2J4R3UwKWpS-0nAdB4yiCRcquurf6RH0-eZFzslNyQZo3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97822 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 13:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 13:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 13:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:15:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:14:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080524061019.WVTP26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.17 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Travelling through the Midwest(ish) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=hJ6rYwCl_0SSknGdhtDEZQlFs7T1LU2veeuUNSNnqowmVVTL3w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Hmm... Tuesday is SFOT for me, but Wednesday is Frontier City... Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lopez"=20 wrote: > > =20 > This Tuesday I will be going to SFFT (Six Flags Fiesta Texas)=20 because I am > visiting San Antonio that week. I live in Oklahoma but have=20 relatives in > S.A. Park hours for that day are 10:30 - 6:00 and the weather is=20 going to be > in the mid 90s. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Michael Lopez >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 24 06:39:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 201 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 13:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 13:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 13:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:39:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:39:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park safety Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qBG6RbaynYerYT2xwX60rBOl_v9j68Ft_gPOM2xgYNw3agQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 05/23/2008 Capital News 9 http://capitalnews9.com/default.aspx?ArID=3D116672 By: Seth Voorhees ALBANY, NY -=96 The start of a season that comes with a reminder. "I'm happy to be here to promote amusement park safety across the state," said State Labor Commissioner Patricia Smith. Using the soon to be open Seabreeze amusement park as a backdrop, Smith talked about a renewed safety initiative for NY's carnivals, fairs and amusement parks. "1 accident is too many accidents, but actually when you look at statistics, this is a safe type of industry," Smith said. When accidents do happen, safety gets more scrutiny. Accidents like last week's malfunction of a ride in California which injured 2-dozen children. Smith said inspectors in NY have stepped up their work to include not only a ride's parts, but also its operators. She says deaths and serious injuries are down, but the ones that do happen more often involve operator error. "The state looks over our shoulders," said Rob Norris of Seabreeze Amusement Park. "It's not cakewalk. They're in here for a week, going over every ride. They come back over the summer unannounced. We have to be on our toes." As vigilant as inspectors are at amusement parks, Smith says fairs and carnivals get even more attention. "If you're a carnival, every time you set up, you get an inspection. So if you start out on Long Island and your summer season stops 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 times, every time you set up, we need to inspect you," said Smith. Stepped up inspections help keep parks and carnivals safer, but labor officials and park operators say people who go on rides also have a responsibility. To help, the state has a new website, ridesafenewyork.com. It includes safety tips and a link to report unsafe conditions. "Safety is everyone's job and everyone's concern," Smith said. "We'll do our job, now we need you to do your job too." ------------------ Copyright =A92008 TWEAN News Channel of Albany, L.L.C d.b.a. Capital News 9 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 24 06:44:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34377 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 13:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 13:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 13:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:44:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:44:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Amusement Ride Safety Week X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UbJI37w5q0wnzZIrXFqFOsB7HvEtjNnX2TCnsjDQMmh6taA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Amusement Ride Safety Week is May 31-June 8. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 24 06:59:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76761 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 13:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 13:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 13:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 13:59:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:59:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: PA Amusement Park Summer Ride Season Kicks Off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=OmPWE4d9qborkKhE0bZdjuxvKMn2q-Ho8OSe1ldhLGBSE4w X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 23, 2008 PR Newswire-US Newswire Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080523/pl_usnw/pa_agriculture_secretary_kick= s_off_summer_ride_season_at_pennsylvania_amusement_park HARRISBURG, PA -- Agriculture Secretary Dennis Wolff helped kick off the summer ride season today at Kennywood amusement park, near Pittsburgh, by recognizing PA's outstanding ride safety record and declaring May 31-June 8 as Amusement Ride Safety Week. The Department of Agricultures Bureau of Ride and Measurement Standards (DoA-BRM)certifies private inspectors, registers rides and helps conduct educational outreach efforts. Governor Rendell proclaimed Amusement Ride Safety Week to recognize PA's leadership in safety and training, said Wolff. PA is home to more than 700 registered amusement operations that draw millions of visitors to our state each year and contribute millions of dollars to our states economy. I applaud the safety efforts of ride inspectors who help ensure our safe enjoyment of amusement rides throughout the year. PA is home to more than 7,900 registered amusement rides and attractions that provide thrills and entertainment at the states community fairs, carnivals and amusement parks - more than any other state or foreign country. Below are some safety tips for parents and children as they visit amusement parks this summer: -- Look for the Commonwealth of PA registration plate mounted on the ride and the public notice sign that reports it has been inspected according to the standards set by the PA Ride Safety Act. -- Keep your arms, hands, feet and legs inside the ride at all times. Always stay on the ride until it comes to a complete stop. -- Use shoulder harnesses, seat belts, lap bars or chains appropriately in order to keep children safe. -- Know your childs capabilities and assume an active role in determining whether or not a particular ride is appropriate for the child. -- Watch the ride in operation before you put your child on. Make sure your child can ride it safely. -- Make sure ride operators are alert. Their job is to be aware of the ride operation and of rider actions. -- Ask the operator to stop the ride if you see that your child is crying or shows any other signs of distress. The DoA-BRM has inspected and registered amusement rides under the Amusement Ride Safety Act since 1984, and has certified more than 1,500 private industry ride inspectors. Inspectors must attend annual industry training programs and successfully complete a state administered exam to become certified. For more information about ride safety or the DoA-BRM, call 717-787-6772 or visit www.agriculture.state.pa.us and click on Bureaus. CONTACT: Nicole L. Cullison (717) 787-5085 ------------- SOURCE Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 24 07:06:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86425 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:06:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:06:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Feds approve sale of Kennywood Entertainment to Spanish firm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=T27BhbVxOGP4MJnp0xuIu3VbqoQfxX2Y3mdo-pOvMtmPK_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 21, 2008 Associated Press Pittsburgh Tribune-Review WFMJ-21 http://www.wfmj.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D8361053 WEST MIFFLIN, PA -- Federal regulators have approved the planned sale of the family owned amusement park chain Kennywood Entertainment to a Spanish firm that operates dozens of parks in the U.S. and Europe. The Federal Trade Commission says antitrust authorities signed off on the proposed sale to Madrid-based Parques Reunidos. The deal still must be approved by the state of Connecticut, where 1 of Kennywood's parks received state financing. A majority of Kennywood's 76 owners approved the plan earlier this month. The sale includes Kennywood Park in West Mifflin, Idlewild & SoakZone in Ligonier and Sandcastle Waterpark in West Homestead. It also includes Lake Compounce Theme Park in Bristol, CN, and Story Land in Glen, N.H. Financial terms were not disclosed. Kennywood President Peter McAneny says he expects the deal to close on June 3. ------------- Copyright 2008 The Associated Press =A9 Copyright 2000 - 2008 WorldNow and WFMJ From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 24 07:10:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64652 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 14:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 14:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 14:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:10:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:10:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Mired in debt, Conneaut Lake Park stays closed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=98DRMVJMlnCs3ICrBhcO60eRp9uoB3XD0a8fueouG9pHa5I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 23, 2008 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08144/884211-54.stm?cmpid=3Dneighborhoods.xm= l CONNEAUT LAKE, PA -- A 116-y.o. amusement park in Crawford County, shuttered last year because of debt, probably will remain closed this summer, GM George Deshner said yesterday. Conneaut Lake Park (CLP) typically opened on Memorial Day weekend, but will not for the 2nd consecutive year, Deshner said. CLP, a public trust, is $3.2 million in debt, Deshner said. A Crawford County judge prohibited the park from borrowing more money because it had not repaid start-up loans from prior seasons. Hotel Conneaut also is closed. 2 other parts of the Conneaut Lake complex, the boat docks and Camperland, are open. In its best years, the amusement park drew about 150,000 visitors from the end of May until Labor Day. It also provided about 200 teenagers with summer jobs. ---------------- Copyright =A91997 - 2008 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 24 07:13:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21450 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 14:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 14:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 14:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:13:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:13:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Park offers options for those with food allergies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tpJ-Y-FlpyQVkt02eyBtTJcD2AYS-ZSw6xgXN5BW8-lZ7gE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 23, 2008 Associated Press Worcester Telegram & Gazette http://www.telegram.com/article/20080523/NEWS/805230478/1021/RSS01&source= =3Drss SANTA CLAUS, IN -=97 A southern Indiana amusement park is offering visitors with food allergies prepackaged foods that don't contain wheat, peanuts and other common food allergens. Holiday World & Splashin' Safari is selling gluten-free chocolate chip cookies, dairy-free ice cream bars and sucrose-free fudge. Restaurants at the park also offer pizza, chicken nuggets and other foods without ingredients such as fish, shellfish, milk, soy or eggs. Park President Will Koch says parents have expressed concerns in recent years about what foods their children could eat at the park near the town of Santa Claus. The park's 500 food employees also underwent training on food allergies. ------------ =A9 2008 The Associated Press =A9 2008 Worcester Telegram & Gazette Corp. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat May 24 07:26:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85109 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 14:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 14:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 14:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 14:26:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:26:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Forbes on Six Flags X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=T6bKMmIGXhXGaIkgIX6ifvSilhKHbwroFHULtJEYvjLzGoU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 05.23.08 Forbes http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/05/23/six-flags-closer-markets-equity-cx= _mlm_0523markets30.html?feed=3Drss_markets By Miriam Marcus NEW YORK, NY -- In the great debate over recession or inflation, Six Flags (6F) is preparing for the latter. On Friday, regional theme park operator 6F announced it had lowered the price of admission at its St. Louis, MO location by $10.00, hoping to lure families seeking more value for their entertainment dollars. Gearing up for the summer season, the St. Louis amusement park will now charge just $34.99 at the main entrance gate, or $29.99 for tickets purchased on line. The company did not say whether it would cut ticket prices at its other amusement park locations. "At a time when costs for everyday commodities and conveniences are on the rise, 6F St. Louis is offering our guests an unbeatable family entertainment value that is close to home," said Dave Roemer, president of the St. Louis park. "We are lowering prices, while offering more concerts, more in-park entertainment, an incredible new roller coaster and a free water park." Rising gas and food prices, and the continuing deterioration of the overall credit markets have led to consumers tightening their discretionary spending and seeking out lower-cost sources for entertainment. Separately, international ratings agency Fitch Ratings downgraded some of 6F's ratings, putting them on Ratings Watch Negative due to a proposed notes exchange. The NY-based company offered to exchange is senior unsecured notes for 6F Operations senior unsecured notes earlier this month. On Thursday, Fitch said the offer indicated a distressed debt exchange, which results when an exchange offer has a material reduction in terms and is more or less necessary, even if voluntary. Fitch lowered 6F and 6F Theme Park issuer default ratings to C from B-minus, and said it would cut the rating to RD if the exchange offer occurs as planned. RD stands for "restrictive default," a term used in financial institutions and corporate ratings. Shares of 6F ticked down 3 cents, or 1.5%, to close at $1.99 in trading Friday. According to Revere Research, share prices in the amusement center and theme park industry have been on a rollercoaster of a ride but with increasingly deeper and longer-lasting down-slopes without much up-hill gains. By contrast, however, entertainment conglomerate Walt Disney reported earlier this month that its theme parks were pulling in more revenues than had been expected. While consumers have been cutting back on expensive forms of entertainment and shifting to more affordable activities, Marino Marin, managing director of Gruppo Levey, a boutique investment bank focused on the industrial, consumer and luxury goods sectors, was surprised by Disney's results. What was helping, he said, particularly in Orlando, is that more foreigners were visiting, taking advantage of the strength of their currencies against the U.S. dollar. Disney's theme-park business is in destination tourist locations Florida and California. 6F's 21 North American parks are geographically located to draw local people from multiple population centers and don't rely as heavily on destination-focused tourists. Still, 6F did narrow its losses in its recent quarterly financial statement for the 1st quarter, ended March 31. Net loss for the quarter decreased 12.1%, to $149.9 million, or $1.62 per share, better than the deficit of $170.6 million, or $1.86, in the 1st quarter last year. Revenues also improved, not insignificantly, by 34.5%, to $68.2 million, up from $50.7 million in the year-earlier quarter. The quarter's improvement was attributed to "the increasing demand for the high-quality, close-to-home, value proposition 6F offers in this tightening economy." ------------------ =A9 2008 Forbes.com LLC From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat May 24 11:34:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48131 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 18:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 18:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 18:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 18:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 18:34:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 18:34:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:34:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: Amusement Ride Safety Week X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=rSVbB6_FfEbSPQ5-Rj8PS5yjFwpmWBPWQXsRON4JoNAEWlT7aYsz X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Amusement Ride Safety Week is May 31-June 8. That's more than a week.... Mike From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat May 24 21:51:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95557 invoked from network); 25 May 2008 04:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2008 04:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2008 04:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2008 04:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2008 04:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2008 04:51:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 04:51:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.17 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park safety Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=nODWi9Oj02Zw6kp59Q68BrmgGu85ap7HpawDrNh6aTjCcfTJ8g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 05/23/2008 > Capital News 9 > http://capitalnews9.com/default.aspx?ArID=3D116672 > By: Seth Voorhees >=20 > but labor > officials and park operators say people who go on rides also have a > responsibility. >=20 >=20 > "Safety is > everyone's job and everyone's concern," Smith said. 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All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Pr= ivacy Policy=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 26 06:55:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97647 invoked from network); 26 May 2008 13:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2008 13:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2008 13:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 13:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 13:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 13:55:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:55:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Coaster Crazies Head to Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=oZDowdr2hzdZ5ORyakYwk-cp66sZwPnz2DpqefVOoYE0ZmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 24, 2008 Your Erie.com http://yourerie.com/content/fulltext/?cid=3D8519 By Craig Layne ERIE, PA -- Some of the country's most dedicated roller coaster enthusiasts are flocking to Erie to ride Waldameer Park's new coaster. Hundreds of riders from the Western New York Coaster Club packed the Ravine Flyer II on Saturday.=20 The club's members were joined by riders from 5 other coaster clubs. The coaster crazies came from 20 different states and Canada. "It's just a delightful ride," Marty Moltz, a judge from Chicago said.=20 "It's smooth, it's fast, you're up in the air a lot, the scenery is beautiful over the water." The coaster enthusiasts are already hailing the Ravine Flyer II as one of the best wooden roller coasters in the country. ------------- Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 Nexstar Broadcasting, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 26 06:59:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28283 invoked from network); 26 May 2008 13:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2008 13:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2008 13:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 13:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 13:59:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:59:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point roller coaster accident injures 9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=i-M5I6MMf-NkFhxHCvk9eyxqfKdAxnpLDy4tKRVkALdakBg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 16, 2008 News Net 5 http://www.newsnet5.com/entertainment/16363975/detail.html?rss=3Dnn5&psp=3D= news Ride Accidents.com SANDUSKY, OH -- At Cedar Point theme park in Sandusky, OH, 2 roller coaster cars collided on the Wildcat roller coaster. 9 people were treated at the park's first aid station for bruises and sprains; one received treatment at a local medical center. The accident happened when one car failed to roll past the initial incline and rolled backward into another car. The ride has been shut down. -------------- Copyright 2008 by NewsNet5 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 26 07:13:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25931 invoked from network); 26 May 2008 14:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2008 14:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2008 14:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 14:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 14:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 14:13:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:13:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: A sneak peek at "The Dark Knight" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GnrxFvqir8TdS3yt_8z2fbr448mWP1R-HW_7t8EYgvM3Wmk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 5/20/2008 Daily Herald http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=3D194319&src=3D109 By Lee Filas ----------------------- Video: http://www.dailyherald.com/multimedia/?category=3D9&type=3Dvideo&item=3D91 ------------------------ GURNEE, IL -- The Joker has taken over a subway in Gotham City, and only the Dark Knight can save you now. Six Flags Great America (6FGA) will open its new $7.5 million roller coaster, "The Dark Knight," (TDK) to the public today. Officials at the Gurnee theme park held a sneak preview for media and roller coaster aficionados on Tuesday. The coaster takes people on a subway ride through the fictitious Gotham City as citizens try to escape Batman's longtime nemesis, the Joker. The Joker harasses the riders at every turn, popping up on video screens and in lifelike form in front of them as they wind through the 3-minute course. The ride itself is housed in a 7-story building and is dark, but not pitch black. "It's a good, fun family ride," said Ray Pacelli, a member of ACE who rode the coaster Tuesday. "You won't get a big thrill out of it like from the 'Raging Bull' or anything, but it's a fun ride." It's the theme of the coaster that really stands out. The line has been designed to give people the feeling of standing inside a subway station before they are ushered into a room to watch a fictitious press conference. Aaron Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the movie "TDK," appears during the press conference, which is interrupted by the Joker. Officials at 6FGA on Tuesday held a press conference of their own to open the ride, where they thanked everyone involved in its creation. This press conference wasn't interrupted by the Joker, however. 6FGA GM John Curty said the addition of "TDK" increases their roller coaster offering for customers. "Look at the collection of roller coasters we have," he said. "Today, with the opening of this ride, our collection is nearly complete." Brooke Gabbert, public relations manager for 6FGA, said everyone was exceptionally excited to open the ride. "The ride is an incredible ride that we have all really enjoyed since it was cleared at 10 p.m. (Monday night)," she said. "It's really a lot of fun that we are sure everyone will enjoy." The indoor roller coaster in Gurnee is the first of its kind, though 6F plans to open similar coasters in New England and New Jersey. "You know, the themeing of the coaster is really good and adds to the whole experience," said Pacelli. "It really is a fun ride." --------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Daily Herald Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon May 26 07:25:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82663 invoked from network); 26 May 2008 14:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2008 14:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2008 14:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 14:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2008 14:25:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:25:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Loch Ness Monster celebrated in Painting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=UHJj0Fu1T8dd3Ht6-BesHYBXRhI3t5bKvTBR3JlwXxqJVXc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 23, 2008 WVEC http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_052308_busch_gardens= _autism.208cd888.html?npc By Vanessa Coria ---------------- Video: http://www.wvec.com/video/index.html?nvid=3D248272 ------------------ WILLIAMSBURG, VA -- The popular Loch Ness Monster ride at Busch Gardens is 30 years old. Helping celebrate the event in a special way is 25-y.o. Seth Chwast. Like the famous double-looping serpent ride, Chwast has had some twists and turns of his own. "Seth loves painting. Seth loves Nessie. Seth loves Busch Gardens and we support autism research," says his mother Debra. Diagnosed with autism as a toddler, his mother says it wasn't until 5 years ago that his world changed=97when he took an art class. His love of coasters is now expressed with oil-on-canvas. "This is a kid who never painted a rainbow. He never did a stick figure. He never did a house with a tree -- nothing. And he comes out of his art class and it's like nobody can believe it," Ms. Chwast noted. Chwast completed this painting before arriving at the park Friday morning. His depiction of the coaster will be auctioned to raise money for the Autism Society of America. Busch Gardens officials are happy to help the effort. "We were really touched by Debra Chwast's letter and thought it was a great opportunity to contribute," commented John Reilly, Busch Gardens' executive VP & GM. Chwast completed this painting before arriving at the park Friday morning. --------------- =A9 2008 WVEC Television, Inc. From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon May 26 22:50:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52582 invoked by uid 7800); 27 May 2008 05:50:19 -0000 Date: 27 May 2008 05:50:19 -0000 Message-ID: <1211867419.10.52577.m53@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=hRjxC5VzXbsFTtEbYZxVJWHA1211867415-1" --YCalReminder=hRjxC5VzXbsFTtEbYZxVJWHA1211867415-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=hdN8Fa9cxHgtyCXHqzsNG5GbkhfGdFH1211867415-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 27 07:39:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36917 invoked from network); 27 May 2008 14:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2008 14:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2008 14:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2008 14:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2008 14:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2008 14:39:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:39:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Coos County fair expects more visitors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YiHrD6-GF2jMrVpCP3dKX2YENNYItJitRB2B4taLBnB8uVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 25, 2008 The World Link http://www.theworldlink.com/articles/2008/05/25/news/doc4837b48300120384976= 420.txt By Jolene Guzman COOS BAY, OR -- Rather than spending hours under the hot California sun in line waiting to ride the biggest, fastest new rollercoaster, Oregonians may seek their adrenaline rushes closer to home. Cindy Bedingfield, the Coos County Fair Manager, is expecting more people to opt to stay home to visit the Coos County Fair. In recent years, she has noticed a pattern of more visitors from the Willamette Valley spending time at the fair. "It doesn't cost you an arm and a leg and you still feel like you have done something special with your family," Bedingfield said. "If families can't go to Disneyland, at least they can go to a mini-Disneyland." High gas prices and a sputtering economy may stop people from taking extended vacations away from home, but the Oregon Coast with its beaches, numerous outdoor activities and festivals may be just the ticket. "We are cautiously optimistic," said Timm Slater, the executive director of the Bay Area Chamber of Commerce. "The economy is softening a little and almost everybody's disposal income is going down. People are really going to be looking at what they can do and do within their budget. We have a lot of things that don't cost you anything, or very little." Exploring beaches and hiking trials are often free and a stroll through the gardens at Shore Acres costs only $3 per car load. Low-cost activities may be a draw this summer and dismantling of the New Carissa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Carissa) this year also will pull people over to the coast, Slater said. "When you add all these things together, there is a potential for a lot of people coming through," he said. Bedingfield said she is keeping slimming budgets in mind as well. Fair pre-sale tickets go on sale Thursday at McKay's stores at half price for this year's fair, scheduled July 22-26. The fair will be shifting its focus a bit in an effort to offer activities and exhibits to a wider audience. A marine stingray exhibit will be added this year to go along with the more traditional favorites, including livestock exhibits and the carnival. Whatever people's interest, Bedingfield wants people to come away with fond memories of the fair and of the South Coast. "It's always good to come back to the places we have our memories," Bedingfield. "That's what we've got." --------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Southwestern Oregon Publishing Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 27 07:44:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12652 invoked from network); 27 May 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2008 14:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2008 14:44:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:44:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Discovery Kingdom unveils Tony Hawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=x1wx-tNc_2to70xuARnaRzt1SwRJ7bYdM-DHhMho-i4I9fY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 05/27/2008 Times-Herald The Reporter http://www.thereporter.com/ci_9391256?source=3Drss By Tony Burchyns VALLEJO, CA -- Tony Hawk's Big Spin, a new $6.5 million thrill ride named after the popular professional skateboarder, opened to the public Friday at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom (6FDK), making its first passengers dizzy, disoriented and totally thrilled. "You're dizzy when you get off the ride," said Ambrose Su, visiting 6FDK with his son's 8-grade class from Bend, Ore. "But it's awfully smooth." Others said the 2-minute ride, with cars that rotate freely in circles, was a bit like being "flushed" in a good way, that is. "It was a blast," laughed an excited Travis Simmons of Pittsburg. "I like the one part that's like a toilet bowl ... it swirls you around." His wife, Jerusha, was persuaded to try the ride, even though she's not a rollercoaster buff. "It's not as bad as it looks," Jerusha Simmons said. "You swirl nicely ... it doesn't do stuff that would make you sick." The ride area is decked out in skateboard themes, including a jumbo screen showing Hawk and other skaters in action. Graphic panels with historical skater information add to the atmosphere. Each car has video cameras, so riders can buy DVDs of themselves afterward. To get the full story, this reporter braved the coaster, which is 6FDK's first major new attraction in 5 years. The trip up the 27' lift hill is like an express elevator. Riders are soon banking through the first turn, spinning in flat circles. The ride packs daunting twists and turns that overshadow its relatively low velocity of 31 mph. And with rotating cars, each ride is unpredictable. It is nearly impossible to see the path of the tracks, or to know when the next hairpin turn is coming. "It's different than most rollercoasters at amusement parks," said 14-y.o. Megan Benefield of Red Bluff, Tehama County. "It doesn't just have speed ... it's really interesting." Riders reported 2-hour waits in line to board the ride Friday. Some said they wished the ride could have been longer after all that standing around. But as for the twisting coaster itself, they had few complaints. A couple of glitches caused maintenance crews to temporarily close the ride twice, causing longer waits at times. But there were no safety problems before or after the delays, 6FDK spokeswoman Nancy Chan said. ------------ Copyright =A92008 MediaNews Group From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue May 27 07:55:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39746 invoked from network); 27 May 2008 14:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2008 14:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2008 14:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2008 14:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2008 14:55:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:55:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Grown-ups' revenge - Explaining Hard Rock Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=9lOf3nAXnpzVXc311_XJN3W-XT2hhIPwDWF-zrDENSlzs_U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 25, 2008 The Associated Press Pantagraph http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/05/27/freetime/doc4835b22858c2a1996= 23028.txt By Beth J. Harpaz MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- If you're a parent or grandparent, chances are a kid has stumped you with a text message you couldn't decipher or a brand name you don't know. Well, my fellow grown-ups, here's your chance for revenge. A trip to the new Hard Rock Park (HRP) in Myrtle Beach, SC, an amusement park with a rock `n' roll theme, will prove that the generation gap runs both ways. "Who are the `Knights of White Satan'?" my 4th-grader whispered, wide-eyed and awed, after we emerged from a groovy dark ride full of optical illusions, flickering candles and the smell of incense. The Moody Blues' "Nights in White Satin" plays during the ride. "It's night, like darkness," I corrected him. "Not knights with swords. And it's satin, not Satan." "Oh," he said. He thought about it for a moment, then asked, "What's satin?" OK, some ignorance cannot be explained by your birth date. But HRP did make me keenly aware of my birth date. Our visit left me nostalgic for my teenage years, while giving me and my husband a chance to prove to the kids that we know something about pop culture that they don't. So what if it's pop culture from the last century? Even they think it's still cool. After riding a roller coaster called Led Zeppelin - The Ride, my teenage son admitted: "I didn't know Led Zeppelin was a band! I thought it was a guy!" His misconception was cleared up by a video you watch before you board. But my younger son had another question: "What's a zeppelin?" All I could do was mutter "Oh the humanity," and head to the next ride, called Magic Mushroom Garden, where fortunately no one asked me to define "magic mushroom." Though the kids did threaten to disown me when I too-loudly started singing along with "Crocodile Rock" as it played over the park's sound system. "You're embarrassing us!" the younger one hissed. If they thought that was embarrassing, it's a good thing our visit took place before the park opened an eatery named for Arlo Guthrie's song "Alice's Restaurant." Because if they'd asked what to have for lunch, I might have belted out, "You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant, exceptin' Alice." If you're on a budget, do not venture into any of the park's 12 gift shops. The merchandising geniuses at HRP are way too good at packaging old bands for young kids, while at the same time appealing to the heart-swell felt by their parents every time we hear the first 4 notes of "Stairway to Heaven." I thought about buying a Moody Blues shirt for a friend who is a longtime fan, but the shirt celebrated the ride, not the band, so I passed it up. I also talked my younger son out of buying an adult-sized T-shirt of the Rolling Stones' tongue-and-lip logo; a saleswoman helped us find a child-sized Led Zeppelin shirt instead. My teenager bought a psychedelic "EAT ME" poster decorated with fuzzy neon-rainbow mushrooms. He listened politely as I rambled on about the "EAT ME" note in "Alice in Wonderland" and the Alice references in Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit." Then he suggested I buy a novel the shop was selling called "Jimi Hendrix Turns Eighty." Next door was a salon that promised "Get Rocked" makeovers. The concept appealed to my inner goth girl, which I have been repressing for years. But the sample photo, with pink hair streaks and sparkly eye makeup, was a little too middle-school for my tastes, so I skipped it. HRP does a good job of offering rides for the fearless set, like the Zeppelin coaster and a high-flying Just a Swingin' swing ride, along with attractions for less adventurous guests (like me) that offer small thrills without spinning or going upside-down. 2 relatively tame coasters, Eagles Life in The Fast Lane and the Shake Rattle `n' Rollercoaster, got high marks from everyone in my family. And we all agreed that Nights in White Satin - The Trip is one of our all-time favorite rides from any park, right up there with Disney's popular Soarin' Over California ride. (Walking across the bridge at the start of the Moody Blues ride made me dizzy, but it was an optical illusion; I shut my eyes, held the railing and was fine.) For younger visitors, there's a carousel called All the King's Horses and a water-play area, Reggae River Falls. The fireworks choreographed to "Bohemian Rhapsody" is a nice way to wrap up your visit. I posed beneath the park's "Lost in the 70s" sign and put a photo of it up on my Facebook page when I got home. The next day, I found a comment on the photo from my 25-y.o. niece, a glam girl who prefers hip-hop and nightclubs to hippies and rock. "COOOOOOOL! Where is that?" she wrote. "I wanna be lost in the 70s!" Well, my dear, you can be. Next time I go to HRP, I'll bring you along. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press Copyright =A9 2008, Pantagraph Publishing Co. and Lee Enterprises From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue May 27 22:50:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55911 invoked by uid 7800); 28 May 2008 05:50:20 -0000 Date: 28 May 2008 05:50:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1211953820.13.55910.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=OMNLo5oJnpPFvCO1QVlAXF1211953814-1" --YCalReminder=OMNLo5oJnpPFvCO1QVlAXF1211953814-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Incredible Hulk opened Wednesday May 28, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Orlando, Florida Notes: On this date in 1999, Incredible Hulk opened at Universal Studios Islands of Adventure in Orlando, Florida. It is credited with being the first Tire Propelled Launch coaster (different from a tire propelled lift). All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=OMNLo5oJnpPFvCO1QVlAXF1211953814-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=OMNLo5oJnpPFvCO1QVlAXF1211953814-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed May 28 18:34:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39663 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 01:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 01:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 01:34:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50859 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2008 01:34:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f18zezYVM1k08mbA1nDJkYHjQoQaK8mQ4Mz9S3g.bzIQyr8v1WbOPItUt7bByzpL36xmodftXbs1Ecpdv3fKZyklK6vGqPhFtdZSsg-- X-Received: from [72.70.235.184] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2008 18:34:22 PDT Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:34:22 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1211836594.3005.8531.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <372146.50264.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Coaster Crazies Head to Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=dJftESWGZDaadyb7H65-kXRKc-24MIRW-j2Bh5IBvpHgYjv8jNxR X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > "It's just a delightful ride," Marty Moltz, a judge from Chicago said. < It's Mister Cheese-on-a-Stick himself! Karen and I went to all the parks during the Coasterfest celebration. (My usually verbose TRs will take a while to write.) Ravine Flyer II is better than I ever expected. It's a sort of combination of Hades and El Toro. It will put Waldameer on the map for coaster enthusiasts. The best part is that the park itself is so much fun, with a terrific Bill Tracy walk-thru and a ride-thru fun house. It's a wonderful and relaxing family park. (And don't miss the Tom Ridge Environmental Center across the street and Presque Isle State Park!) I just want to take a moment to say a few words about coaster enthusiasts. MY GOD WE'RE GETTING OLD! I was amazed how many people either had canes or were in wheelchairs. I saw very few younger enthusiasts. It made me feel like I was in church. Also, I was bothered by a strange incident at Idlewild Park, another beautiful traditional place that's about a lot more than coasters. While in the picnic pavilion, a so-called enthusiast passed by and derided Rollo Coaster's 70th birthday. "You should go to Kennywood," she said sarcastically. "They have *real* coasters!" I explained that Rollo Coaster was made by my favorite designer, Herb Schmeck, and that it's an amazing piece of engineering for the amount of land it occupies. But she was unimpressed, basically saying that the park was a pointless inclusion on the itinerary. (IMO, it was the most enjoyable stop on the whole trip.) I thought coaster enthusiasts cherished every park and every ride. They're *park* enthusiasts. Are you a true coaster enthusiast if you go to parks only to experience the stereotypical "biggest and fastest" rides, shunning anything that's not a record-breaker. Maybe I'm in the wrong group; perhaps I should switch to NAPHA. To me, a coaster is a ride in a park. If I don't like the park, it doesn't matter how good the rides are. But if a park presents a really enjoyable experience, every ride seems like fun. JMHO Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed May 28 18:37:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28171 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 01:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 01:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 01:37:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43580 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2008 01:37:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iWv4UEQVM1lbcprtI.JwK.n8902vlT8zpl12yiym8jMh8kDMtcYLjk5xqyOwfRSvf108kMYDG4SSIjwJ0wPdGuFhMlhQXRiCgHrQ1EmfI8ckrFatIEZLUTnKOc4- X-Received: from [72.70.235.184] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2008 18:37:28 PDT Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:37:28 -0700 (PDT) To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <998385.10242.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Good Housekeeping on coaster safety X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=zDUzTLPhsmtsy4u_X9dgUbYk8CfFV9dA0ehdT3BKNXSivGh42tg8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Parks don't get the "seal of approval." The current hardcopy issue has a longer article. Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 28 19:31:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97200 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 02:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 02:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 02:31:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10348 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 02:31:18 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 29 May 2008 02:31:18 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <372146.50264.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <372146.50264.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:31:15 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Coaster Crazies Head to Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=paJJHmt-dhHMhoBcF7F8VEW72RU-bel6vm4XGfXrzSUn_zjl X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > take a while to write.) Ravine Flyer II is better > than I ever expected. It's a sort of combination of > Hades and El Toro. It will put Waldameer on the map Agreed .. Ravine Flyer II is most definitely an A+ coaster; although I find it has more in common with Raven than it does with the other Gravity Group coasters I've ridden (Hades and Voyage), and is a much more fun ride than those too! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sandour 21 * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Sandour 22 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed May 28 22:50:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30721 invoked by uid 7800); 29 May 2008 05:50:21 -0000 Date: 29 May 2008 05:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1212040221.9.30720.m55@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Sb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgAWzoN1TJF1212040216-1" --YCalReminder=Sb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgAWzoN1TJF1212040216-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=Mb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgJ5CcfDHHC1212040217-1-- From scarecrow_1_3@yahoo.com Thu May 29 04:10:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scarecrow_1_3@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33368 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 11:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 11:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 11:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 11:10:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 11:10:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:10:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.82.9.104 From: "jimmy" Subject: my trip to sfst.l X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284487457; y=mkWXQYRmFwvSPD3mfgV1D_FbJRifAWYH-9DNQMnhgWu1WIYgOVavGg X-Yahoo-Profile: scarecrow_1_3 well we went monday and t wasnt packed at all we rode the tony h.awk=20 twice in a row. i give it an A cuse it doesnt jar u around and u dont=20 know whats comming at u next. next was the mr.freeze it was great as=20 always and was my son frist time on it.A+ then the batman.B cuz what=20 happened to mist u go through when u get back? oh well we went mon and=20 tues hardly any lines at all but tues is only in the 60s and rain on=20 and off. we still had fun and that is what counts. the boss was great=20 as always and you could see the new planks of wood here there. and the=20 screamin eagle is alive the last two times it went on it it diddnt=20 scream this trip it screammedon evry trun. and the ninja well i would=20 to say it could use a paint or cleanin up it looks like its forgot=20 about in the repaint list every year. but the ride is still good and=20 the head chopper is still good i wish they would give it some tlc = =20 i would say 7 stars out of 10 everything was going. employies were=20 nice and asked if we wanted to go again. and the park looked like it=20 was trying to fix itself back up new paint new black top. well if=20 theres anything anyone want to ask go head ask me here or just email=20 me either way ill anwser to the best i can. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu May 29 04:59:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56991 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 11:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 11:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 11:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 11:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 11:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 11:59:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:59:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: my trip to sfst.l X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=akTDUSx9FXo9SROiLWljhbFLqhQ3_QElpEttrnvBT1wnIbvWm4mF X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 OOOOWWWWW!!! That was hard on the eyes! A few words: Capital letters. Periods. Commas. Sentences. Mike --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jimmy" =20 wrote: > > well we went monday and t wasnt packed at all we rode the tony=20 h.awk=20 > twice in a row. i give it an A cuse it doesnt jar u around and u=20 dont=20 > know whats comming at u next. next was the mr.freeze it was great=20 as=20 > always and was my son frist time on it.A+ then the batman.B cuz=20 what=20 > happened to mist u go through when u get back? oh well we went mon=20 and=20 > tues hardly any lines at all but tues is only in the 60s and rain=20 on=20 > and off. we still had fun and that is what counts. the boss was=20 great=20 > as always and you could see the new planks of wood here there. and=20 the=20 > screamin eagle is alive the last two times it went on it it diddnt=20 > scream this trip it screammedon evry trun. and the ninja well i=20 would=20 > to say it could use a paint or cleanin up it looks like its forgot=20 > about in the repaint list every year. but the ride is still good=20 and=20 > the head chopper is still good i wish they would give it some=20 tlc=20=20=20=20=20=20 > i would say 7 stars out of 10 everything was going. employies were=20 > nice and asked if we wanted to go again. and the park looked like=20 it=20 > was trying to fix itself back up new paint new black top. well if=20 > theres anything anyone want to ask go head ask me here or just=20 email=20 > me either way ill anwser to the best i can. > From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 29 05:09:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41377 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 12:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 12:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 12:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-228-87.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.228.87] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K1gwn-0005Py-Uh for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 08:09:34 -0400 Message-ID: <483E9C13.5090405@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:05:39 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <372146.50264.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <372146.50264.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1b5541751becfff2f3ff3417746a0753147de88dd72fd80350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Coaster Crazies Head to Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=jIeneU5jHI6DnXPOdn4uCPYwESNIJ9_9QQAmkDL2ntn8CdI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > Karen and I went to all the parks during the > Coasterfest celebration. (My usually verbose TRs will > take a while to write.) Ravine Flyer II is better > than I ever expected. It's a sort of combination of > Hades and El Toro. It will put Waldameer on the map > for coaster enthusiasts. The best part is that the > park itself is so much fun, with a terrific Bill Tracy > walk-thru and a ride-thru fun house. That's pretty consistent with what I've been hearing, that the coaster is a great addition and by itself well worth making the trip for. Now I just have to find a way to make the trip. > > I just want to take a moment to say a few words about > coaster enthusiasts. MY GOD WE'RE GETTING OLD! I was > amazed how many people either had canes or were in > wheelchairs. I saw very few younger enthusiasts. It > made me feel like I was in church. > You obviously haven't been to some of the churches I've been to. My church we only have 4 or 5 people over age 50, and two-thirds the church is in their teens to early 30's. But I have noticed that it seems like fewer teens and college age people are getting interested in coasters like some of us did, and those that do are only around for a short time. But she was unimpressed, basically saying > that the park was a pointless inclusion on the > itinerary. (IMO, it was the most enjoyable stop on > the whole trip.) Hearing this just makes me want to smack someone upside their head. I'm guessing they were younger, and likely single, since there apparently isn't much appreciation for history or family there. But I'm just wildly guessing based on my presuppositions, which really isn't a wise thing to do. > > I thought coaster enthusiasts cherished every park and > every ride. They're *park* enthusiasts. Are you a > true coaster enthusiast if you go to parks only to > experience the stereotypical "biggest and fastest" > rides, shunning anything that's not a record-breaker. > Maybe I'm in the wrong group; perhaps I should switch > to NAPHA. To me, a coaster is a ride in a park. If I > don't like the park, it doesn't matter how good the > rides are. But if a park presents a really enjoyable > experience, every ride seems like fun. JMHO I'm agreed with you there Jay. I can count the number of coasters I couldn't appreciate at all on one hand- and the funny thing is 3 of those 5 are no longer around. The only park I've been to that I felt was a wreck and a waste is also no longer around. But none of those really had any history to them, and the one park was little more than trailers dropped in. But I've also seen far more coasters lost that I'll really miss, as well as a few wonderful parks that should still be with us and no longer are. And that's sad. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 29 05:14:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72317 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 12:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 12:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 12:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-228-87.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.228.87] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K1h1Z-0003ai-Ff for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 08:14:29 -0400 Message-ID: <483E9D3B.2060401@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:10:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1212040223.11.89984.m44@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1212040223.11.89984.m44@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1b5541751becfff669c587245e93d392e208958163db74f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Jw-lXHVEXUq-67EtVbnIdILGI3vAuRBR1KPwyi_JO3cXCRM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Title: Great America (California) opened > > Date: Thursday May 29, 2008 > Time: All Day > Repeats: This event repeats every year. > Location: Santa Clara, California > Notes: On this date in 1976, Marriott's Great America opened it's > doors in Santa Clara, California. Later, it would be purchased by > Paramount Pictures, and renamed Paramount's Great America, and then in > 2007 to become Great America. > It was only a couple of months later that we visited for our first time and began what became at least an annual tradition, often times more so. Mariott's was the first "big" park that I ever visited, with the first log flume (scared me but I had to go), big coaster (Willard's Whizzer), and other "big scary" rides that I ever went on. (hey, give me a break, I was only 6) I've got a lot of fond memories of what the park used to be. Outside of Disney I still say it had the best park entertainment I ever saw (though SDC and Dollywood are up there also). So Cheers to Mariott's/ Paramount's/ California's Great America! Happy Birthday, I still love ya, even though I miss so much about what you used to be. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 29 05:28:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69613 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 12:28:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 12:28:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 12:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-228-87.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.228.87] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K1hFQ-0005IE-6K for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 08:28:48 -0400 Message-ID: <483EA096.9070205@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:24:54 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1b5541751becfff76c9712f85f54a639d7aee95d3c7eb7f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] my trip to sfst.l X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5j6OYQ0mF-11rgmFMZjF8n_ntmBSANKW-bUqiNyKSMg1qVo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Translation, along with my comments, follows the original: jimmy wrote: > > well we went monday and t wasnt packed at all we rode the tony h.awk > twice in a row. i give it an A cuse it doesnt jar u around and u dont > know whats comming at u next. next was the mr.freeze it was great as > always and was my son frist time on it.A+ then the batman.B cuz what > happened to mist u go through when u get back? oh well we went mon and > tues hardly any lines at all but tues is only in the 60s and rain on > and off. we still had fun and that is what counts. the boss was great > as always and you could see the new planks of wood here there. and the > screamin eagle is alive the last two times it went on it it diddnt > scream this trip it screammedon evry trun. and the ninja well i would > to say it could use a paint or cleanin up it looks like its forgot > about in the repaint list every year. but the ride is still good and > the head chopper is still good i wish they would give it some tlc > i would say 7 stars out of 10 everything was going. employies were > nice and asked if we wanted to go again. and the park looked like it > was trying to fix itself back up new paint new black top. well if > theres anything anyone want to ask go head ask me here or just email > me either way ill anwser to the best i can. > Well, we went on Monday, and it wasn't packed at all. We rode the Tony Hawk twice in a row. I give it an A because it doesn't jar you around and you don't know what is coming at you next. Next was Mr. Freeze. It was great as always, and was my son's first time on it. A+ (side note, how old is your son? It's a great coaster!) Then the Batman. B because what happened to the mist you go through when you come back? Oh well. (side note- last time I was there it was still running well- especially considering it was the first of the batman coasters) We went on Monday and Tuesday and there were hardly any lines at all. Tuesday it was only in the 60's and it rained off and on. We still had fun, and that is what counts. (side note, yes it is!) The Boss was great as always. You could see the new planks of wood here and there. And the Screaming Eagle is alive. The last two times I went on it, it didn't scream. This trip it screamed on every turn. (side note: Good to know I'm not the only one that likes the Boss. I would have loved to get more rides on it. And it sounds like the Eagle needed some grease.) As for the Ninja, I would say it could use a repainting, or at least a cleaning up. It looks like it's been forgotten about for years now and skipped over when it's time to pick which rides to repaint. But the ride is still good, and the head chopper is still good as well. I wish they would give it some TLC. (side note- here we'll have to disagree. Ninja was horrible, and became a running joke among us as to what was worse, Ninja or the horrendous magic show they were doing at the time we visited. Maybe they've improved it since then?) I would give the park overall 7 starts out of 10. Everything was running and open. Employees were nice and asked us if we would like rerides. And the park looked like it was trying to fix itself back up with new paint and new black top. (side note- that's good to hear. It was a nice looking park when we visited, but happy to know they're putting in some work on refreshing it) Well, if there's anything anyone wants to ask, go ahead and ask me here, or just email me. Either way I'll answer the best I can. Back to George again... Thanks for the TR! Good to hear the comments and how well the park is doing. But, as you can see, breaking it up a bit and punctuating it makes it much much easier for someone to read. You're also much more likely to get good conversation about it as opposed to people just skipping it because they can't read or dicipher what you wrote. Thanks for contributing though. We've got a few others that call SFStL their home parks, so they may be chiming in as well. keep on ridin' George From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu May 29 06:19:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87748 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 13:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 13:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.226) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 13:19:32 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c53so2060342wra.20 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 06:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.240.17 with SMTP id n17mr6399410anh.49.1212067171696; Thu, 29 May 2008 06:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2008 06:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30805290619p2755e716hacd517d279cf0ed3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:19:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <483E9C13.5090405@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <372146.50264.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <483E9C13.5090405@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Coaster Crazies Head to Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=-yZyGlY2cMj5MPcPiPjRF6fTMBS8o-w2i6Wn0oMXI2cZiWzR X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 5/29/08, george burnash wrote: > Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > > I just want to take a moment to say a few words about > > coaster enthusiasts. MY GOD WE'RE GETTING OLD! I was > > amazed how many people either had canes or were in > > wheelchairs. I saw very few younger enthusiasts. It > > made me feel like I was in church. > > > You obviously haven't been to some of the churches I've been to. My > church we only have 4 or 5 people over age 50, and two-thirds the church > is in their teens to early 30's. But I have noticed that it seems like > fewer teens and college age people are getting interested in coasters > like some of us did, and those that do are only around for a short time. There are young coaster enthusiasts, we just all get older eventually ;) > > But she was unimpressed, basically saying > > that the park was a pointless inclusion on the > > itinerary. (IMO, it was the most enjoyable stop on > > the whole trip.) > > Hearing this just makes me want to smack someone upside their head. I'm > guessing they were younger, and likely single, since there apparently > isn't much appreciation for history or family there. But I'm just > wildly guessing based on my presuppositions, which really isn't a wise > thing to do. Young single female coaster enthusiasts? Those don't exist George :P Mythical creatures at best. ;) Beth From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 29 06:30:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66487 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 13:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 13:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 13:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 13:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 13:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 13:30:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:30:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <372146.50264.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Coaster Crazies Head to Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6B2fSSDCFGVPVhRG2tZpTsDtIYu7eofBp58Jvl1h46_x0mQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jay, I'm with you on this one. I consider myself to a "Park" enthusiast too. When I go to a Park, I go to see the whole thing, not just the Coasters, even though the Coasters may be the initial draw. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > SNIP < >=20 > I thought coaster enthusiasts cherished every park and > every ride. They're *park* enthusiasts. Are you a > true coaster enthusiast if you go to parks only to > experience the stereotypical "biggest and fastest" > rides, shunning anything that's not a record-breaker.=20 > Maybe I'm in the wrong group; perhaps I should switch > to NAPHA. To me, a coaster is a ride in a park. If I > don't like the park, it doesn't matter how good the > rides are. But if a park presents a really enjoyable > experience, every ride seems like fun. JMHO >=20 > Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 29 06:59:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72119 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 13:59:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 13:59:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 13:59:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 13:59:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 13:59:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 13:59:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:59:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Indiana Jones Summer of Hidden Mysteries X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zEvRUOvFk6jdt81Iz_kn-OMMazMJ4pRlIwGBz8uJpWe0iJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 27, 2008 Mouse Planet http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=3Ddl080527xx ANAHEIM, CA -- Disneyland's Indiana Jones Summer of Hidden Mysteries promotion officially kicked off last week to commemorate the opening of the newest film in the Indy franchise. The main attraction in the summer-long promotion is Indiana Jones and the Secret of the Stone Tiger, a new show in what was formerly known as Aladdin's Oasis but is now simply "The Oasis." This new show fills the gap for a short, child-participation activity created when Aladdin & Jasmine's StoryTale Adventure closed earlier this month. The show begins with the introduction of Dr. Rachel Flannery, who is apparently an associate of Dr. Jones. Rachel describes the myth of the Stone Tiger and produces the staff of the Tiger God, explaining that Indy was searching for the headpiece but hasn't been heard from recently. He did, however, leave several clues which Rachel requires help from the audience=97 especially the children=97to solve. Indiana Jones appears dramatically from the mouth of the Stone Tiger (which looks suspiciously like the Cave of Wonders) and produces the lost golden headpiece. Handing the headpiece to Rachel with an admonishment to be very... careful, Indy starts to tell the audience about his latest adventure. However, Rachel mates the staff and headpiece and either becomes evil or reveals her evilness as she threatens Indy with destruction. A dramatic and fairly well-choreographed fight ensues with the Tiger God's staff changing hands several times but finally ending up with our hero. Dr. Flannery falls to her apparent doom through the mouth of the Stone Tiger and Indiana Jones, with a final clever quip, climbs a ladder and disappears into the tower=97only to reappear moments later fighting a large man of indeterminate origin on the roof of Tropical Imports. Disney bills these Adventureland appearances as "Random Acts of Indy," and the short sequences cause much less congestion in the already-crowded Adventureland walkways than previously feared. One of the skits takes place on the rope bridge of Tarzan's Treehouse, which unfortunately requires a brief closure of the attraction. MousePlanet's Andrew Rich said the audience seemed largely pleased as they filed out of the Oasis after the first show Monday morning. MousePlanet reader reactions to the new show range from. "a waste of 30 minutes," and "pretty violent!" to "we liked it... a nice change of something!" Indiana Jones and the Secret of the Stone Tiger shows daily at 10:30, 11:30, 12:30, 2:15, 3:15, 4:15 and 5:15 (times subject to change, of course). There is no post-show autograph opportunity. The Web site (http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneyland/en_US/calendar/specialEvents/de= tail?name=3DSummerOfHiddenMysteriesSpecialEventPage&CMP=3DEMC-0805APXHldFed= ora&hbx.hrf=3Dhttp%3A//email.disney.com&bhcp=3D1) for the Indiana Jones Summer of Hidden Mysteries promotion encourages visitors to pick up an Indiana Jones Adventure Map near the entrance to the Oasis (or print one out online before heading to the park). Once you solve the puzzle on the map you can download Indiana Jones-themed desktop wallpaper or screen saver. An "Adventure Photo Location" outside the Oasis is meant to re-create the rolling boulder scene from the Raiders of the Lost Ark film and Disneyland attraction, but MousePad member "Bytebear" describes the set as "not much more than a big cardboard box. It's really cheap and cheesy. It's about half a step above a movie theater lobby display." The "enhancements" to the Jungle Cruise attraction and skipper spiel are minor =97 a few added comments in the spiel reference recent explorations by "Dr. Jones," and a handful of "artifacts" are scattered through the Jungle. ---------------- =A9 2000-2008 MousePlanet From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu May 29 07:11:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92080 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 14:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 14:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 14:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 14:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 14:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2008 14:11:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:11:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland's Dream House AP Previews X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=B_fI8ROFgV4G7gb-l5mwBfsTBbX5HSlIiPRA0CP8qGBP4Ok X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 27, 2008 Mouse Planet http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=3Ddl080527xx ANAHEIM, CA -- Annual Passholder previews of the new Dream House exhibit, opening in June, have been announced. The previews, which don't require any form of reservation or ticket will be during hours that Innoventions is not generally open. The schedule is as follows, and is on a first come, first served basis. * Tuesday, June 17, thru Thursday, June 19, from 8am-9am. * Friday, June 20, from 9am-10am and again from 10pm-11:30pm. * Saturday, June 21, from 8am-9am. * Sunday, June 22, from 8am-9am and again from 10pm-11:30pm. From Disneyland's AP Web page (http://www.disneyland.com/ap) here is the description of the preview: Be among the first people to see the future! Attend special times for Annual Passholders inside the Innoventions Dream Home in Tomorrowland at Disneyland Park. Discover a 5,000-sq-ft home of the future inhabited by the dynamic Elias family and learn how the technology of today =97 and the technology of tomorrow =97 seamlessly interconnects within the home, the surrounding community and the whole world. * Help the Elias family celebrate their son's recent soccer victory and plan their upcoming trip to China for the World Championship. * Explore this beautiful Taylor Morrison Home and sample the benefits of a digital lifestyle provided by Microsoft, HP and Lifeware. * Visit the adjacent party tent and explore new technology in a fun, hands-on environment. ------------- =A9 2000-2008 MousePlanet From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 29 11:07:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45267 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 18:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 18:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 18:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-228-87.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.228.87] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K1mWz-0008Oh-Km for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: <483EEFEB.7060608@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:03:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <372146.50264.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <483E9C13.5090405@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30805290619p2755e716hacd517d279cf0ed3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30805290619p2755e716hacd517d279cf0ed3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1b5541751becfff19a7ea03e5294db3e925a8e63659b694350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Coaster Crazies Head to Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=hEo_YOl0vS3h-AxgvtIU8HLZ_IRnqNrM6zt-buiMUI0bu24 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > Young single female coaster enthusiasts? 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--YCalReminder=rX71vWiasmp8NAJf4VvugdMYAH1212126613-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 30 07:51:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35122 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 14:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 14:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 14:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:51:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:51:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 5 Awesome Amusement Park Deals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Uxxrkrg8bsVmyGQ-ZMFbWjK2NxKoaXRh3qm_EMWaWztx_RU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 05/29/08 Main Street http://www.mainstreet.com/5-awesome-amusement-park-deals?puc=3Dmsgoogle&cm_= ven=3DMSGoogle By Juliana Bunim USA -- With the U.S. dollar currently worth about half a Euro, the only glimpse of Europe you could be getting this summer is at Disney's World Showcase at the Epcot center. As foreign currencies linger at all time highs, check out these domestic bargains geared to attract your vacation days and dollars. So if your family is more Mickey Mouse than Madrid, then check out these theme park deals and up the fear factor for this summer's family fun. BUSCH GARDENS Whether you visit the African themed Tampa Bay, FL location and the European themed Williamsburg, VA park, there are lots of ways to save. Show your AAA card at the gate for an automatic $5 off up to 6 tickets. If you can't pack all the Busch Gardens action into 1 day, do not fear. Once you've purchased a ticket, enjoy a 2nd visit completely free up to 7 days after. Active duty military and National Guard members including up to 3 dependents can visit any of the Anheuser-Busch theme parks, including Busch Gardens, Sea World Orlando, San Diego, or San Antonio, Sesame Street Place, Water Country USA and Adventure Island, completely free. Just pre-register on Hero Salute and show your Department of Defense ID at the park's gate. SIX FLAGS Buy your tickets online for one of 11 park locations, including the flagship Great Adventure in Jackson, N.J., to get the biggest breaks. Tickets are slashed by $20 online to $39.99, or if you're willing to stand in line, bring an empty can of Coca-Cola to the ticket booth to purchase two tickets for $24.99 each. CEDAR POINT Called the rollercoaster capital of the world, Cedar Point in Sandusky, OH offers a big dose of budget family fun. Scoop up tickets online to take advantage of an exclusive package that includes 1 admission ticket and all-you-can-eat buffet for $45.65. With regular admission costing $42.95, that hearty meal is mere pennies. Got a family of 4? You're in luck. Take advantage of a 4 pack admission for $132, leaving an extra $40 in your pocket (just don't let it fall out when you ride the world's first triple looping rollercoaster: The Corkscrew). WALT DISNEY WORLD Book through See&Do Orlando for the deepest package discounts. Hotel and park admission deals are offered at upwards of 50% off retail with 4 nights accommodations at hotels like The Best Western, The Radisson and The Mystic Dunes Resort &Golf club. Want to stay closer to the action? Book a Magic Your Way package directly through the Disney Resorts between August 24 and September 20. Not only will it include both your resort room and admission tickets, but your entire group will eat for free. Must be booked by June 22, 2008. HOLIDAY WORLD It might be summer, but that doesn't mean you can't visit Santa Claus. For the 2008 season, Holiday World and Splashing Safari (yes, located in Santa Claus, IN) are offering tickets to both parks for $39.99, including inner tubes and all-you-can-drink fountain soda. Bring an empty Pepsi can or Bunny Bread wrapper to the gate for an additional discount between $2 and $11 off, on up to 8 tickets. No matter where you choose to spend your summer, don't forget the deals that already in your back pocket. Both AAA and AARP often offer discounts like free parking, hotel and restaurant coupons, so check with your state's website to start saving. --------------- =A9 1996-2008 TheStreet.com, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 30 07:54:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38182 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 14:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 14:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 14:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:54:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:54:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 3 injured when tree hits theme park trolley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ijoQckwzLMMdK8KOXNQ3cyHgJvC6AjFGxqZ9KhYbgiS1MqE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 26, 2008 The Associated Press http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgXe6mB0JQ8beX-m-IYvrr8XUcDgD90TBA8G1 BRANSON, MO -- Officials at a Branson, Missouri theme park say 3 people were injured when high winds knocked part of a tree onto a trolley. Thunderstorms caused many patrons at the Silver Dollar City park to leave or seek shelter Sunday afternoon. Spokeswoman Lisa Rau says a 20'-long section of a tree fell onto a trolley taking people back to their cars at about 5 p.m. Rau says a 36-y.o. pregnant woman was taken to the hospital by ambulance. An 8-y.o. girl and her mother also were injured. The trolley, although damaged, was still able to move. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 30 07:57:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68042 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 14:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 14:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 14:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 14:57:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:57:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Developer looking at new sites for Bible theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cD_j5T3ygC-GH5eFR_yDTrA5tsVcm2fLwn0qaIEbsnMOuvI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 29, 2008 The Associated Press Volunteer TV http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/19356059.html LEBANON, TN -- The developer of a planned religion-themed attraction said the company is meeting with government leaders in a half-dozen jurisdictions after Rutherford County leaders turned down a needed zoning change. The developer Armon Bar-Tur said in a statement that SafeHarbor Holding LLC had been "overwhelmed" with inquiries about sites for the Bible Park. Lebanon Mayor Don Fox told The Lebanon Democrat the city contacted the developer when opposition was voiced in Rutherford County, where some residents complained about traffic congestion if the park were built there. Fox said SafeHarbor is looking at several tracts, all within Lebanon's city limits. He would not say where the tracts are located. ------------ Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press Copyright =A9 2002-2008 Gray Television Group, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri May 30 08:07:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43951 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 15:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 15:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 15:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 15:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 15:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 15:07:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:07:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: UK Theme Park Bans SmartPhones. Everybody Panic! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Pht3tDeBWGLTX2T6e13cCTqPMQxm_Ld14cG5GQo1a85vBik X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 27, 2008 Information Week http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/05/uk_theme_park_b.h= tml By Mitch Wagner ALTON, STAFFORDSHIRE, UK -- Whenever I get in a discussion of the convenience of mobile devices, I run into some old fart who gets his knickers in a twist about how he doesn't carry one of them newfangled barkberries, he's too important to be at the beck and call of an electronic ball-and-chain. When confronted with one of these pundits, I like to inform him about an exciting new feature on my cutting-edge smartphone that helps protect my privacy. It's called an "off button." A smartphone is a great servant, but a terrible master. It's nice to be able to check e-mail and have Internet access wherever you are. But the compulsive need to keep checking in at work and on social networks, even when you're supposed to be doing something else, makes you obsessive and twitchy. It's sometimes hard to know when it's appropriate to put away the smartphone. UK theme park Alton Towers Resort (AT) wants to help. They're banning smartphones starting this week. Adults caught using their smartphones will be directed by staff to 1 of 5 "PDA Drop Off Zones" where they can "safely" leave their devices for the day, according to Ars Technica. The company refers to the smartphones as "PDAs," which is sweet and archaic, like when your grandmother called the refrigerator an "icebox." Ars writes: We won't be surprised to hear that some of AT's workaholic visitors are less than thrilled about being escorted to a PDA Drop Off Point this week by a pimpled youth in a felt hat, but if the experiment proves to be an overall success, look for more establishments in the UK and (hopefully) even the US to erect more barriers on mobile phone and gadget usage in the name of enjoying where and who you're with. Boing Boing views the development with alarm. Quoting a correspondent named Unusual Suspect, Boing Boing says: "These days it seems that using a camera in public is all but illegal. But AT amusement park in the UK has instituted a new rule, and has instituted 'special wardens' to enforce it. If you are seen using a Palm, iPaq or other personal digital assistant or smartphone, the special wardens will take it away from you." I love Boing Boing and I think they do great work reporting on the gradual encroachments being made on our civil liberties by government and big business (including theme parks). But in this case I think they're pulling a false alarm; I don't see any reason to believe that the PDA ban is anything more than it appears to be -- an attempt to get parents to spend more time with their kids -- as well as a publicity stunt, of course. Still, it's not all good, notes Boing Boing community moderator Teresa Nielsen Hayden: I agree that people who are taking unnecessary calls are a vexation. But what if having [the smartphone] means the difference between being able to go to the park with your kids, and having to stay home? Just the other day I took several business calls in quick succession while tying up my raspberry plants in the back yard. My choice wasn't between "taking calls while gardening" and "not taking calls while gardening"; it was between taking the calls in the garden, via smart phone and headset, and sitting indoors, drumming my fingers, while I waited for those calls to come in. It's the nature of some jobs that you're on call a lot of the time. Banning smart phones and PDAs won't change that. What it will do is ban the people who have that kind of job. "Nothing says fun like having your personal possessions taken away from you!" writes sofa0ne. --------------- Copyright =A9 2008 United Business Media LLC From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri May 30 09:24:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31359 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 16:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 16:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 16:24:35 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id v73so370045rnb.10 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:24:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.110.16 with SMTP id i16mr9342468anc.101.1212164674765; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:24:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30805300924n2306cf7bye9b96fcfff00289a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:24:34 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: UK Theme Park Bans SmartPhones. Everybody Panic! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=7avY8IgY9Imrz2kJCEDonA4mwaU3WM7jnhS5obYROPCpZgcU X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons This one has erked me ever since I saw the first article on it... Who's to say what they define as a "smart phone". Is it just a professional phone? Is it just a phone with a full keyboard? Is it any cell phone with text/web capabilities (which anymore is any cell phone)? Is it any cell phone period? Who are they targetting with this? Are the specifically targetting professionals? Parents? Fathers? Mothers? Teenagers? Kids? Are they going to take a phone away from a parent sitting on a bench when it's his only way of communicating with his kids who are riding something at the other end of the park? Are they only going to take phones away from people who are with a group or family? Are they going to prevent the single person visiting the park and standing in the long line from being productive/multitasking/just killing time vs having to actually fully experience the act of standing in line by themself? I can understand wanting people to experience the moment, aknowledge the people they are with, etc, but forcing people to do that just seems horrible. It's probably a good thing it's just a trial run, because it seems like a really good way to piss off the people paying to visit the park. On 5/30/08, Alan wrote: > May 27, 2008 > Information Week > http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/05/uk_theme_park_b.html > By Mitch Wagner > > > ALTON, STAFFORDSHIRE, UK -- Whenever I get in a discussion of the > convenience of mobile devices, I run into some old fart who gets his > knickers in a twist about how he doesn't carry one of them newfangled > barkberries, he's too important to be at the beck and call of an > electronic ball-and-chain. When confronted with one of these pundits, > I like to inform him about an exciting new feature on my cutting-edge > smartphone that helps protect my privacy. It's called an "off button." > > A smartphone is a great servant, but a terrible master. It's nice to > be able to check e-mail and have Internet access wherever you are. But > the compulsive need to keep checking in at work and on social > networks, even when you're supposed to be doing something else, makes > you obsessive and twitchy. It's sometimes hard to know when it's > appropriate to put away the smartphone. > > UK theme park Alton Towers Resort (AT) wants to help. They're banning > smartphones starting this week. Adults caught using their smartphones > will be directed by staff to 1 of 5 "PDA Drop Off Zones" where they > can "safely" leave their devices for the day, according to Ars > Technica. The company refers to the smartphones as "PDAs," which is > sweet and archaic, like when your grandmother called the refrigerator > an "icebox." > > Ars writes: > We won't be surprised to hear that some of AT's workaholic > visitors are less than thrilled about being escorted to a PDA Drop Off > Point this week by a pimpled youth in a felt hat, but if the > experiment proves to be an overall success, look for more > establishments in the UK and (hopefully) even the US to erect more > barriers on mobile phone and gadget usage in the name of enjoying > where and who you're with. > > Boing Boing views the development with alarm. Quoting a correspondent > named Unusual Suspect, Boing Boing says: "These days it seems that > using a camera in public is all but illegal. But AT amusement park in > the UK has instituted a new rule, and has instituted 'special wardens' > to enforce it. If you are seen using a Palm, iPaq or other personal > digital assistant or smartphone, the special wardens will take it away > from you." > > I love Boing Boing and I think they do great work reporting on the > gradual encroachments being made on our civil liberties by government > and big business (including theme parks). But in this case I think > they're pulling a false alarm; I don't see any reason to believe that > the PDA ban is anything more than it appears to be -- an attempt to > get parents to spend more time with their kids -- as well as a > publicity stunt, of course. > > Still, it's not all good, notes Boing Boing community moderator Teresa > Nielsen Hayden: > I agree that people who are taking unnecessary calls are a > vexation. But what if having [the smartphone] means the difference > between being able to go to the park with your kids, and having to > stay home? > > Just the other day I took several business calls in quick > succession while tying up my raspberry plants in the back yard. My > choice wasn't between "taking calls while gardening" and "not taking > calls while gardening"; it was between taking the calls in the garden, > via smart phone and headset, and sitting indoors, drumming my fingers, > while I waited for those calls to come in. > > It's the nature of some jobs that you're on call a lot of the > time. Banning smart phones and PDAs won't change that. What it will do > is ban the people who have that kind of job. > > "Nothing says fun like having your personal possessions taken away > from you!" writes sofa0ne. > --------------- > Copyright (c) 2008 United Business Media LLC > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri May 30 18:05:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68354 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 01:05:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 01:05:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 01:05:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36742 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2008 01:05:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9WUEAxcVM1n5xhEruoKmC6ToaxSdoBKLgYiU8GZJpjffNWXVun1vmjeJrQL4ezJJNoXgWka53.nG X-Received: from [72.70.235.184] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2008 18:05:01 PDT Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 18:05:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1212105137.3635.20495.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <356810.30671.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Coaster Crazies Head to Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=OQT1Wjg2k2ZdZM8bS6eTg4Kh6akiCHhNv33xwCk7bJKiUrJExWfH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > You obviously haven't been to some of the churches I've been to. < No, and there are churches in this area with a predominantly young congregation. But at our church, the average age is probably 70. > Hearing this just makes me want to smack someone upside their head.< Well, my comment may have been premature. Karen told me that the woman (and she was older, probably around 60) wasn't an enthusiasts. She was just a G.P. at Idlewild who for some reason set herself up in our (the WNYCC) picnic pavilion. But then I don't understand her last comment about the park being a waste of time for us. Maybe she noticed all of our coaster T-shirts. Jay From drounds@jvlnet.com Sat May 31 02:25:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20389 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 09:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 09:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nsmaster.badgerinternet.com) (207.170.26.132) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 09:25:35 -0000 X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by nsmaster.badgerinternet.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with SMTP id 2266821 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:23:55 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 5548 invoked by uid 99); 31 May 2008 09:25:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20080531092534.5547.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 31 May 2008 04:25:34 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 63.131.39.108 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 207.170.26.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: TR: SFGAm Dark Knight Opening Day (5/21/08) (long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=StdMSvrMkj3ad9ozB42p-QtnqgUPGDRbafZpQIvnrNFpSpP7 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 TR: SFGAm Dark Knight Opening Day (5/21/08) (long) I was one of the Six Flags season pass holders that took advantage of a fall special and renewed my season pass during Fright Fest '07. For those that their season tickets at that time, the park gave us some additional perks. One of those perks was a two hour ERT on the Batman Dark Knight coaster on Wednesday May 21st. Now on to the details... To confirm that the ride would be opening as promised, I called SFGAm guest relations on Friday May 16th. They confirmed that the ride would be opening on the 21st and that the ERT would begin at 10AM (park opening time.) With that information in hand, I requested a day of vacation from work. I arrived at the park about 9:30 and found that it took almost 15 minutes to get into the parking lot (with only 4 cars ahead of me!) at the parking lot pay booth. And yes you pay dearly for the privelege of parking this year. They have increased the size of the premire parking to include the entire area between the entrance road and the front gate of the park. The price for parking in that area ... $25.00 ... that is correct friends, a whole Twenty Five Dollars. Economy parking -- the area beyond the entrance road (formerly the overflow parking area) costs $15. After showing my season pass and going thru security, I was finally in the park with about 5 minutes to spare. Quickly checked with a "Guest Relations Supervisor", at least that is what their name tag said, I found that they were not sure if the ride would be opening on time or not. I headed around toward the left side of the park -- the coaster is adjacent to the former Theater Royal (which is now the entrance queue for the rind. That side of the park was still roped off at the usual place. They let us in at about 2 minutes to 10. I immediately headed for the ride only to find a line of about 50 people. However, the indoor queue area was still closed off. At that time none of the employees in the ares seemed to know when we would be let into the ride. About 20 minutes later a rides supervisor came over because he saw my season pass and the special event card hanging around my neck. He told me that the ERT had been delayed until the last two hours of the day (instead of the previously promised first two hours). He told me and the others that they would be making announcements throughout the park when they were ready to open the ride. So after waiting in line for 20 minuted for nothing, I decided to try another ride. I bypassed Superman Ultimate Flight deciding to come back to it after the initial rush was over. Time now for disappointment #2. I headed over to V2 and found the line was not excessively long with only a small part of the maze in use. After about 45 minutes, I finally was next in line for the last seat (my favorite). ... The coaster train returns to the station at the end of the run but the restraints did not open. After a short time a ride mechanic showed up and did something on the control panel and the riders were allowed to exit the ride. It was another 5 minutes or so before they cycled the ride with no one on it. Then again nothing. All this time, they were running the usual recording says that the ride had temporarily ceased operation. Finally another mechanic shows up and takes the control box apart at the back end of the station (directly across the train from where I was standing). Having already waited over an hour, I decided to get out of line and go on to another ride. I headed for Batman The Ride only to find that it also had "temporarily ceased operation". On to ride number four and I will let you guess the story at Iron Wolf. Whats next... on to the American Eagle. After waiting another 45 minutes, I finally got my first ride of the day. And yes it was early afternoon, more than two hours after the park opened when I finally was able to get on a ride. Just a few comments are in order regarding this ride. The first turn (just after leaving the station) has been retracked ane was much smoother than last season. The only negative aspect of this ride was that the turn a round helix is getting quite rough. It actually felt like the train was bouncing back and forth between the rails. The hills and small helix were in great shape giving an overall good ride experience. On to the Southwest Terratory... After a wait of only about 20 minutes I was on the Viper. It was running quite good, much better, including the normal amount of air time, than two weeke earlier when it the corners were screaching badly and seemed to be running slow as there was not the usual amount of air time. Next, it was on to the Raging Bull where the wait was just over an hour, which was a good 20 minutes or so longer than I expected. As I climbed the stairs to the station, I realized why the wait was longer than expected...they were only running two trains. I took my usual seat in the back row. The ride was running quite good with the usual abundance of air time in the second half of the ride. Actually I did not expect that the air time would be as good because the zone brake in the middle of the ride was really slowing the train down. Overall the ride was its usual wild self. I then headed back to the Viper for a second ride. This time the wait was even shorter without even enough time to take the Gecko up on his 15 minute offer. Next, it was back to the other end of the park in an attempt to get a ride on Superman Ultimate Flight before the beginning of the promised ERT on Batman Dark Knight. One thing I did not comment on earlier in this report was that this was one of the Hight School Physics days at the park. When I entered the parking lot, one entrance lane was only busses and that line extended almost all the way back to Grand Ave. While in line for Superman, I had an opportunity to talk with some of the students, giving them some hints for some of the questions on their Great America Scavenger Hunt. Finally after waiting in line for about an hour, we finally made it into the station. I had helped the three students into deciding to ride the back row of the coaster, again my favorite row...but...it was not to be. We were next in line when the train comes into the station and stops just a few inches short of the normal stopping point. Since the train did not stop at exactly the correct location, the riders were left hanging for a few minutes until ride maintenance could get there to override the control system and let the riders off. This time I did not have to wait very long before deciding to exit the line. After unloading the ride, the ride maintenance crew cycled the ride. While the train was out on the track one of the maintenance men got a ladder from the train barn and set it up when the head end of the train stops and one of the other maintenance men also went to the barn and came back with a small cardbord box. ... Time to exit and head over to Batman Dark Knight. After showing my ERT pass to the employee at the entrance to the queue building, I was in the line. Lo and behold...at that time the ride was not running. After about 10 minutes the had those of us with ERT passes exit the usual queue maze and re-enter thru the Fast-Pass line. After another 10 minutes, they finally resumed letting riders into the pre-show area. In the remaining 90+ minutes of the ERT, I was able to get 5 rides on the coaster. Not to give away any secrets but It was my advance understanding that the indoor queue area, preshow and ride itself would be themed based on the story line of the movie. Here is my impression of, and comments on, the overall ride. The entrance to the queue building is themed as the entrance to the "Gotham City Rail" subway system. The inside of the queue building had only minimal theming relating to a train or subway station. The queue line area had a number of flat panel tv screens hanging overhead but nothing was being shown on them. The exit from the queue area is not where you would expect it but is thru an unmarked door that opens automatically. Each time the door into the preshow area opens, the ride operator allows a number of guests into the pre-show area. The pre-show consists of a "press-conference" video. After the pre-show show, it was then on to the ride. The cars on the ride are a four seat (two across, two rows) wild-mouse type car. Once your car is loaded and your lap bar checked, you then go into the dark part of the ride. The coaster itself is just your basic Mack Wild Mouse in a dark building with a FEW effects. The scenery consists of mostly theatrical flats and some three-d scenes that are illuminated as your coaster car passes. The flats separate each straight track section so as to visually separate each coaster car from the next. I found most of the scenery elements very difficult to observe because of the timing of the lighting and your position relative to the lighted part of the scenery. In almost every case, you had to look over your shoulder to view the lighted element. I found that the largest 3-d set was actually the hardest to observe because of its position relative to the track corners. Overall, the ride theming did not live up to my expectations. With the end of the ERT, the day came to a disappointing early end as the park was only open until 6:00 pm. I will close this trip report with some other observations regarding the park for this season. 1. The Pictorium IMAX theater is again showing "Marvin The Martian." 2. The Deja Vu coaster has been removed. 3. It appears that there is no regular show in the Southwest Terratory theater this season. 4. The "Splash Water Falls" ride has been removed. 5. It appears that there will be no show this seasin in the "Space Shuttle" motion simulator theater. Dave Rounds From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat May 31 07:20:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79813 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 14:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 14:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 14:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 14:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 14:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 14:20:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:20:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080531092534.5547.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.17 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: SFGAm Dark Knight Opening Day (5/21/08) (long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Oh_XbaP7W1TmRaQxGx7fM1JfLZHC9mBpjta-dMtCeTw55Vm0cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Rounds"=20 wrote: > > TR: SFGAm Dark Knight Opening Day (5/21/08) >=20 > Dave Rounds > I was there that day too, David. Sorry to hear that operations were bad=20 that day...=20 I only showed up for the ERT, and as such, had a decent time. I also=20 got 5 laps on TDK, and one on Superman.=20 I've heard that there are a few gags that have yet to be installed or=20 wired. I hope that's true, as what I saw was a bit of a let down.=20 Chris From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat May 31 14:08:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34781 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 21:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 21:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 21:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 21:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 21:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 21:08:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:08:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.92.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=X0nvkjYSuuSOWq7e4uEFf8VmwQsc8sFdCPa4WvJ8XdvPzje2oPCKoSpPpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 found this article the other day. thought some would find it=20 interesting; http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/retail/article544616.ece The world's biggest beermaker is readying a $46-billion bid for=20 Anheuser-Busch Cos., touching off speculation the Busch theme parks=20 will be spun off or sold. That would include 10 theme and water parks, including Busch Gardens=20 Africa in Tampa and SeaWorld Adventure Park in Orlando. Busch=20 recently moved the headquarters of Busch Entertainment Corp. unit to=20 Orlando after agreeing to build two parks for the government of Dubai. A Belgian brewing conglomerate that owns 200 beer brands in 32=20 countries, InBev plans to offer at least a 20 percent premium for the=20 owner of Bud Light, Budweiser and brands that control half the U.S.=20 beer market, according to the Financial Times. InBev, maker of Becks,=20 Stella Artois and Bass, controls 11 percent. It's doubtful the Belgians are a welcome suitor. Autocratic August=20 Busch III, who ran the family brewery for 30 years, retired 18 months=20 ago. That left his son, August Busch IV, in charge. The Busch family=20 owns 4 percent of the stock, so the company has to deal with a=20 reasonable bid. Neither company is talking. But the added debt will be enough that=20 the Financial Times says InBev hopes to raise $6-billion selling A- B's parks and aluminum recycling business. A likely defense: Busch makes itself too expensive by buying the=20 other half of the Mexican maker of Corona. Another sign investors=20 think no deal is forthcoming: shares of SABMiller, the brewer of=20 Miller beer and the company InBev supposedly goes after if it doesn't=20 win A-B, perked up in the past week on the speculation. The Busch theme parks wouldn't disappear under new ownership. "The Busch parks are strong enough to stand on their own," said=20 Dennis Spiegel, a Cincinnati theme park consultant. "I can see=20 overseas buyers or even Walt Disney Co. interested in the Sea World=20 parks. Parks like these rarely get on the market."=20 Others think InBev would keep the parks. "Big players who bought into parks like Universal were supposed to=20 sell, but kept them," said John Robinette, senior vice president of=20 Economic Research Associates, the firm that did the feasibility=20 studies for Walt Disney World and for Busch to buy SeaWorld in=20 1990. "Parks need a lot of capital, but it's a high-margin business." Busch Entertainment brings in 8 percent of its parent's revenues. The=20 parks earned $162-million in 2007 on revenues of $1.2-billion. That's=20 twice the profit of a decade ago, before Busch went on a capital=20 spending spree. Since 2005 Busch has spent $332-million on new=20 attractions. Busch sees marketing value from parks that associate a beer company=20 with fun, family and environmental stewardship. That's less important=20 to InBev, which zeroes in on fat marketing budgets to hammer national=20 brews into parts of the global conglomerate. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat May 31 14:11:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72397 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 21:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 21:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 21:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 21:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 21:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 21:11:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:11:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.92.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: update on Seaworld Orlando flying coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=3hpbDwAGR5s01nK3lqFdbRaOh47eelWsWYoR1mtyZ-F3evSUzG8_VOhJSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 i know this was talked about back in april, so saw an update friday=20 in the paper; http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080530/NEWS/805300561/1018 SeaWorld Orlando unveiled plans Thursday for a new coaster ride and=20 marine attraction called Manta next summer. MANTA AT A GLANCE Seating: Horizontal, face-down, four people across Maximum drop: 113 feet Top speed: 56 mph Inversions: Four Track length: 3,359 feet Ride length: 2 minutes, 35 seconds Rider minimum height: 4 feet, 4 inches Trains: Three per track; 32 people on each train Capacity: About 1,500 people an hour Animals: 3,000 Species: 60-plus Rays: 304 Fish: 2,500-plus (tropical fish, cardinal fish, invertebrates) The new ride will feature a manta ray-shaped passenger compartment=20 and views of marine life. The 56-mph ride will aim to simulate the=20 soaring experience of a ray. The new ride is the latest addition to Busch Entertainment Corp.'s=20 theme parks. It joins recently opened attractions in Florida --=20 Jungala at Busch Gardens Tampa Bay and the Aquatica theme park=20 adjacent to SeaWorld Orlando. All are part of a recent surge in=20 expansion by the company and are part of Busch's Worlds of Discovery=20 theme park concept. "Worlds of Discovery is more than a unifying brand, it identifies=20 what we can do better than anyone else in the entertainment industry=20 with learning and discovery in some way," said Joseph Couceiro, chief=20 marketing officer for Busch Entertainment. Company officials did not reveal the cost of Manta, which will take=20 up 7 acres in the park, but Couceiro described it as among the "most=20 major investments" at SeaWorld. The new attraction will include a "mythical village" with artwork=20 inspired by mantas, underwater exhibits with 300 rays, 40 sea horses=20 and sea dragons , and 2,500 fish and invertebrates. Those will be=20 visible through floor-to-ceiling windows. The focal point of the new attraction just inside SeaWorld's main=20 entrance is the ride designed by the Swiss coaster-engineering=20 company Bolliger & Mabillard, which designed SheiKra for Busch=20 Gardens Tampa Bay. Dan Brown, vice president and general manager of SeaWorld Orlando,=20 said, "SeaWorld is famous for connecting guests with the sea and its=20 amazing creatures, and Manta does this in a way that has never been=20 done before, creating a true sense of oneness between human and=20 animal." Ride passengers will travel face-down strapped in a horizontal=20 position under the belly of the coaster compartment. Riders will swoop through four inversions on 3,359 feet of track and=20 at one point will skim 5 inches above the water. The length of the=20 ride is less than three minutes. "You won't necessarily get wet in the ride, but it will create=20 a 'rooster tail' spray behind it, so there's a greater chance=20 spectators would get wet," Couceiro said. "We want thrills. We don't=20 want a tame ride." Busch Entertainment opened Jungala at Busch Gardens Tampa Bay and=20 Aquatica this spring. It also announced that it planned to build four=20 theme parks in Dubai. Busch Entertainment accounts for about 8 percent of parent Anheuser- Busch's $19 billion annual revenue. A report by Themed Entertainment=20 Association/Economics Research Associates showed SeaWorld Orlando=20 drew 5.8 million visitors in 2007. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 31 14:36:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11139 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 21:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 21:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 21:36:38 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-228-87.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.228.87] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2Ykf-0006yu-T2 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 May 2008 17:36:38 -0400 Message-ID: <4841C3FA.2040602@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:32:42 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1b5541751becfff16ea57c81fd206d0ac21dd8fe9731787350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=VfW5SrTuFHJfcLBDhSeKfVNcssrFGSa_TkT6X3VMBIMA1ro X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I've seen a few things about the possible sell so far. Doug Nelson wrote: > > It's doubtful the Belgians are a welcome suitor. Autocratic August > Busch III, who ran the family brewery for 30 years, retired 18 months > ago. That left his son, August Busch IV, in charge. The Busch family > owns 4 percent of the stock, so the company has to deal with a > reasonable bid. This has been one of the ongoing things I've seen- this potential bid/sale is NOT welcome by the Busch family and owners, and there is talk already of doing whatever needs to be done to make sure that no sale goes through. > > Neither company is talking. But the added debt will be enough that > the Financial Times says InBev hopes to raise $6-billion selling A- > B's parks and aluminum recycling business. And this probably answers the questions as to what would happen to the parks if somehow a sale did go through. Much of the reports I've seen said that InBev has no real interest in the parks and would probably try to sell them off. Who would buy them though becomes rather problematic. > "The Busch parks are strong enough to stand on their own," said > Dennis Spiegel, a Cincinnati theme park consultant. "I can see > overseas buyers or even Walt Disney Co. interested in the Sea World > parks. Parks like these rarely get on the market." > I'm sure the parks can stand on their own. Maybe an independent owner. Disney isn't going to buy them. The parks are both to close, as well as to far away from their other properties. San Diego doesn't blend with Anaheim. Sea World in Orlando is close to, but certainly not a part of Walt Disney World. Aquatica likely wouldn't fit into Disney either. Then there's TX and VA, which don't fit at all. Disney probably won't even look at them. Anyone else? Six Flags and Cedar Fair have to much debt, adn they wouldn't fit into the chains. Universal? not likely. Who else is there that would possibly be interested in, and able to run, parks like these? But then I doubt that any sale is going to happen anyways, so it's probably all a moot point. keep on ridin' George (who, coincidentally was at BGA yesterday with a bunch of 5th graders. AAAhhhhhh) From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Sat May 31 16:52:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80932 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 23:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 23:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n58.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.46) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 23:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n58.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 23:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.123] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 23:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 23:51:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 42561.96623.bm@omp209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51825 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2008 23:51:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7H1JpFkVM1lULErzdF2nyU55xpdjYQjBxI0yuSaqOycUhc5XoJkOiAG2C.861kCV_ZRDBUg2rc1uDbMszPax8AiidfPRYcCcbqHrc80hQ4g0axZ7iwDh2n5Xh7Y- X-Received: from [70.127.132.225] by web45206.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 16:51:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:51:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <726903.48662.qm@web45206.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=P-D5VYPbKsIVqOw6jFIgXQNkbao9TNeL850-ZJoODCGNiEYmr1El X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very good points, but there are other operators out there, and the capital = management companies that may welcome the opportunity to get their hands on their parks.=A0 PARC= Management, Inc comes to mind (unless their is a no compete clause from when they took the parks from SFI).=A0 Bl= ackstone Group could be another suitor, but they are associated with the Universal parks.=A0 I am thinking while typing this= , and I could see Mark Shapiro try to make a play for the parks here in FL as it would give SFI a boost to have other parks that are = open year round, and it would give them a presence in a state that is heavily marketed as a tourist state. Just my two cents, Joe ----- Original Message ---- From: george burnash To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:32:42 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the p= arks? I've seen a few things about the possible sell so far. Doug Nelson wrote: >=20 > It's doubtful the Belgians are a welcome suitor. Autocratic August > Busch III, who ran the family brewery for 30 years, retired 18 months > ago. That left his son, August Busch IV, in charge. The Busch family > owns 4 percent of the stock, so the company has to deal with a > reasonable bid. This has been one of the ongoing things I've seen- this potential=20 bid/sale is NOT welcome by the Busch family and owners, and there is=20 talk already of doing whatever needs to be done to make sure that no=20 sale goes through. >=20 > Neither company is talking. But the added debt will be enough that > the Financial Times says InBev hopes to raise $6-billion selling A- > B's parks and aluminum recycling business. And this probably answers the questions as to what would happen to the=20 parks if somehow a sale did go through. Much of the reports I've seen=20 said that InBev has no real interest in the parks and would probably try=20 to sell them off. Who would buy them though becomes rather problematic. > "The Busch parks are strong enough to stand on their own," said > Dennis Spiegel, a Cincinnati theme park consultant. "I can see > overseas buyers or even Walt Disney Co. interested in the Sea World > parks. Parks like these rarely get on the market." > I'm sure the parks can stand on their own. Maybe an independent owner.=20 Disney isn't going to buy them. The parks are both to close, as well=20 as to far away from their other properties. San Diego doesn't blend=20 with Anaheim. Sea World in Orlando is close to, but certainly not a=20 part of Walt Disney World. Aquatica likely wouldn't fit into Disney=20 either. Then there's TX and VA, which don't fit at all. Disney=20 probably won't even look at them. Anyone else? Six Flags and Cedar Fair have to much debt, adn they=20 wouldn't fit into the chains. Universal? not likely. Who else is=20 there that would possibly be interested in, and able to run, parks like=20 these? But then I doubt that any sale is going to happen anyways, so it's=20 probably all a moot point. keep on ridin' George (who, coincidentally was at BGA yesterday with a bunch of 5th graders.=20 AAAhhhhhh) =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat May 31 19:19:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34125 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 02:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 02:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 02:19:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3631 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2008 02:19:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4sCd_ooVM1nX536I1uPYMq9O8ljEJPgzaPbvyEGWb4W6_mJE6DwV5zj.0d8x8.OdkILGU0FfO7PBiG3maDYzxkKmwMj51VR6QVFIChtK_J94HZ6BsbyK6t_ESGw- X-Received: from [71.127.4.222] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 19:19:11 PDT Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:19:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1212260726.3194.25717.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <426009.3466.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: TR: Waldameer Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ml3hAAA8mhsDvmt6bh7DP6N9cRjJFdr0oEkvr8LmOnvJtaW8D7ur X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Well folks, here's part one of our Coasterfest excursion. It's taking me a lot longer to write these than I anticipated. As usual, if you'd like to see the pics that go along with the article, you can head to: http://www.karenandjay.com/trips/wald08/wald08.html === The Western New York Coaster Club began the 2008 summer season with their annual Coasterfest. This year's excursion featured three Pennsylvania parks, and the event drew the largest attendance in the club's history. Karen and I made the long drive out on Friday, May 23. Our first day was going to be spent at one of our favorite traditional parks, Waldameer in Erie. Along the way we stopped to eat at a Dutch Pantry restaurant. I had never been to one. It had great food and service, with the best cole slaw I've ever eaten and terrific shoo-fly pie. The trees lining the highway were dotted with multicolor buds, giving the landscape the appearance of autumn. We spotted an alarming number of dead deer in the breakdown lanes. There were no fences along the highway to prevent them from strolling out onto the pavement. We even saw a small doe grazing near a guard rail. We arrived at our Super 8 Motel in Mercer, PA, late that night. It was one of the nicer hotels we've stayed at. We got up bright and early the next morning and headed to one of our favorite restaurants, Bob Evans, for breakfast. We got to the park about 10:00. There were very few cars in the parking lot. Like the trolley parks of old, you could park for free, walk in with a picnic lunch and set yourself up in any of the expansive picnic groves, and then simply buy tickets for the rides you wanted to experience. Since the park seemed to still be asleep, we walked across the street to the large Tom Ridge Environmental Center. Off to the left we could see the long arching blue bridge and its cover over Peninsula Drive that supported the controversial track of Waldameer's new Ravine Flyer II coaster. The large swooping turn and hill on the other side of the road reminded me of the turnaround on Hades, the giant coaster at Mount Olympus Theme Park in Wisconsin. The TREC sported a five-story observation tower overlooking the park. Karen spotted people on it, and the Center had free admission. So it seemed like a good way to spend some time. We wore our sweatshirts, which protected us from the persistent chilly wind coming off of Lake Erie. To the right of the Center was a large modern windmill that was continually spinning. The TREC was a fairly new building and featured many hands-on exhibits for children. There were large glass-encased structures in the center of the main room, about twenty feet high. Suspended inside the cases were whimsical carved wooden scenes that moved, many themed around fishing. We took the elevator up to the top of the tower. The panoramic view was spectacular. But even from up there, the entire length of the Ravine Flyer II wasn't visible. We could hear a familiar roar, and watched as the park tested both of the coaster's trains (one red and one blue). We headed back to the park. The turnaround of Waldameer's junior PTC coaster, Comet, greeted us and perfectly captured the feeling of the park. The modest natural wood structure was trimmed with bright red handrails and was enveloped by tall trees. We walked through the quiet midway, which was immaculate. The large trash barrels stationed about were topped with large colorful clown heads that had big open mouths. It had been twelve years since Karen and I had been to the park. I was amazed how little had changed in that time. We passed by the colorful buildings and walked toward a picnic pavilion at the back of the park, next to the entrance to the RFII. There was already a line of enthusiasts forming on the exit ramp. The park had originally scheduled a session of "Exclusive Ride Time" for the evening. But evidently with the huge turnout they added a session for the morning. Karen and I checked in at the Lakeview Grove pavilion (which was the station for the original Ravine Flyer coaster), picked up our wrist bands and Coasterfest T-shirts, and then got in line for the new coaster. Not much was visible from the non-descript station. The ride's structure was made of spindly steel. There was a convoluted knot of track behind the station. It looked similar to the severely-banked finale on El Toro at Six Flags Great Adventure. The lift hill faced away from the station, diving off the cliff at the edge of the park. Other than that, I had no idea what to expect. We chatted with some of the other enthusiasts in line. The inimitable Marty Moltz was there, bemoaning how the nation was becoming "cheese-on-a-stick-less." I shared his grief, having found the delicacy at fewer and fewer parks over the years. At 11:00, an hour before the park opened, RFII began operating. After about fifteen minutes, Karen and I found ourselves in the front seat (just by chance, since we were queuing up at the exit gate and didn't really have a choice of seats). The train left the station, turned a sharp left and started up the lift hill. It offered a stunning view of Lake Erie and was topped with eight bright flags that were wildly flapping in the wind. As we crested the top, we both gasped. The track just seemed to vanish. The drop was much steeper than we expected, and it veered abruptly to the right. We flew down over the cliff and approached the bright blue bridge over Peninsula Drive. There was a strong and sustained period of airtime as we crossed the highway. We swung around to the right and rose up into the second hill next to the Tom Ridge Environmental Center. Then we dove down and hopped back over the bridge with another period of sustained airtime. Like the end of El Toro, the rest of the ride was a confusing blur. There was a 90-degree-banked drop off the cliff (swooping above a campground), lots of twisting bunny hops with lots of airtime and severely banked turns back and forth. The coaster tracked beautifully and gave a glass-smooth ride. We hit the brakes breathless. The train still had lots of energy left. We rolled back into the station with everyone clapping, whooping and hollering. After over ten years of planning, Waldameer had built a world-class roller coaster. I saw general manager Steve Gorman on the midway and congratulated him on a great achievement. He was very pleased by our accolades. Waldameer succeeded where many other parks had failed: building a family-friendly thrill ride. It wasn't the biggest or fastest coaster in the world, but it was well-paced, exciting and re-rideable. It made good use of the landscape, and the bridge over the highway became a calling-card for the park. No one could ignore Waldameer now. It was a bold move and succeeded beautifully. The park opened to the general public, and the crowds began pouring in. Karen and I walked over to the Comet. The lone operator was leaning against the railing. The queue line was empty. We walked up the long ramp to the gate. Waldameer's Comet is one of only a few PTC coasters that still operate with flanged wheels instead of side friction wheels. The operator told us he was waiting for more workers so that he could test the ride. After a few minutes, another operator showed up. The first operator got into the train and was sent up the lift hill. The train rumbled through its figure-8 circuit, shaking the station as it passed overhead. The loud station bell rang, signaling the train was about to return. The carousel next door played its bright music. In another minute, Karen and I were seated in the front. Off we went, up the small lift hill. The gentle drops produced mild air time and the flat turns gave a surprising amount of lateral force. The hallmark of the Comet, though, was the dense foliage overhanging the track. It was a fun little ride, and a great first coaster for kids. As we walked through the park, we noticed whimsical bronze figures placed in various locations. A high school band was performing jazz on the midway stage. We strolled to the park entrance to ride their train, The L. Ruth Express. The last time we were at the park, the train broke down right before we boarded. This time it was running reliably. We saw Dan Wilke there. He was one of the founding members of the Western New York Coaster Club. We chatted for a while until the train returned. The ride was enjoyable, much longer than I expected. The route went through Waldameer's waterpark and circled through the lift hill of the RFII. Then it returned and traveled through the picnic groves at the other end of the park, finishing up with an unexpectedly long and dark tunnel. We also passed by the ancient "Merry-Go-Round Grove" pavilion, which was originally built to house a carousel but ended up as a picnic spot. It had begun to warm up, so we put our sweatshirts in the car and then headed toward the Thunder River flume. Next door was Pirate's Cove, a walk-thru fun house designed by the legendary Bill Tracy. I can never pass up a walk-thru. Karen wasn't too keen on this the last time we were at the park. Much of the interior was pitch black. But she took a deep breath and gave it another try. The entry was lined with bars like a jail cell and backed with mirrors. There was a moving floor (sort of like walking on a cross-country ski training machine). Then the real fun began. We turned a sharp right-hand corner and were confronted with a dark and seemingly impossibly long corridor, ridiculously lopsided and rimmed in neon green. There followed dozens of the usual tricks and stunts (squishy floors, tilted rooms, rope bridges) -- and some unusual ones as well. There was a pitch black area with a twisting and very tight corridor framed by stacks of steel barrels, all painted with day-glo multicolored horizontal stripes. There was also a funny stunt depicting a skeleton drinking a bottle of whiskey. Something seemed different about the fun house, and I couldn't quite figure it out until I neared the end. Shortly before exiting, there was a maze of iron bars to negotiate. But sections of the bars had been removed so that now we could simply pass by the maze and head directly for the exit. By looking at the floor, it was obvious that the removal happened recently. And then I realized that I could see the floor. There were lights on throughout the entire course. The lights weren't that bright, but they were enough to illuminate every corridor (except for the barrels, which were illuminated with blacklights). I assume this was done for safety reasons, and although sad it was certainly preferable to any number of alternatives the park could have taken (such as closing it down entirely). Next up was Waldameer's great ride-thru fun house (also designed by Tracy), Whacky Shack. The ride layout was similar to the portable fun houses at traveling carnivals, with a roller-coaster-style dip in the middle. The ride is filled with all sorts of amusing stunts, some similar to those in Pirate's Cove, and has an ending similar to Knoebel's great Haunted House. I stopped to get a "Fresh Squeezed Lemonade." It had a fresh lemon in it, but most of the cup was filled with crushed ice. It didn't take me long to drink it. Then we got in line for Thunder River. The flume was one of Waldameer's newer rides. It replaced a venerable Mill Chute ride that had been there for decades. The new flume was attractively landscaped with many fountains. The course ran through a long misty tunnel that used to play thunderstorm sound effects. Then it traveled up a small hill, splashed down, and headed for a larger lift hill. The ride ended with a moderate splash. We were both a little wet but nothing too bad. In a sort of courtyard behind the entrance to Thunder River was Steel Dragon, a Gerstlauer spinning coaster. I had ridden the Zamperla spinning coasters, which had cars shaped sort of like Tilt-a-Whirl cabs. Gertlauer's model had seats that faced back-to-back. The ride looked a bit barren compared with the lush surroundings of the park. The ride was plopped on a concrete slab. The cars themselves were brightly colored, but the rest of the ride looked stark. The course began with a fairly standard wild-mouse-style zig-zag track. That was followed by wild twists and turns and steep banking. Depending upon the weight in the cars, they could either spin wildly or hardly at all. Karen passed on the ride. I ended up sitting alone facing backwards going up the lift hill. Two kids were facing forward. The ride was much milder than I expected. We hardly spun at all. The twisted track was well-engineered and felt very smooth. I was surprised to discover that it was a good family ride, and a good fit for the park. As Karen and I wandered back out onto the main midway, we encountered Waldameer's humorous mascots, Wally and Wendy. I'm not sure if they were supposed to be bears, woodchucks or chipmunks. But they were friendly and paused for a picture. As we strolled along the shady grounds, Karen pointed out a large wooden log that had been carved with the park's name and also sported a large wooden eagle. Across from that was a nicely landscaped kiddie truck ride. We then boarded the Sky Ride, a long peaceful trip through the trees that gave us great views of the park. I had never realized how large the park actually was. After that relaxing journey, we were in a panoramic mood so we headed over to the Ferris wheel. Abutting tall leafy trees, the Ferris wheel provided an even more spectacular view. We also got to look straight down onto the Ravine Flyer 3, a Miler kiddie coaster. After leaving the Ferris wheel, we passed by Lil Toot, a kiddie hand car ride that skirted the Ravine Flyer 3. There were more nice thematic elements scattered about the midway. Next to the Pirate Ship was a giant anchor and chains that Karen would have liked to bring home. There was nothing pretentious about the objects decorating the midway. Everything seemed to belong there. At about 4:00, owner Paul Nelson and Steve Gorman took the club members on a "walk-back" inside the knotted structure of the Ravine Flyer II. We posed for a group picture and were allowed to take lots of photos in areas that were normally off-limits. Nelson even opened up the motor house and explained how it worked. I was intregued by the self-oiling mechanism. We headed back for the Lakeview Grove for dinner. It was an all-you-can-eat buffet and the food was pretty good, with a variety of salads. There were also the usual hamburgs and hot dogs. After the dinner, there was a raffle and door prizes. And then Paul Nelson gave an emotional speech about how this was the last coaster he would build at the park. He was turning the reins over to his children who, he hoped, would build many more coasters in the coming years. Then the WNYCC presented Paul and general manager Steve Gorman with a large commemorative sign for the Ravine Flyer II, similar to the sign the club placed on the Great Escape Comet. There were also presentations by the National Amusement Park Historical Association and the American Thrill Riders Association. The general consensus was that Ravine Flyer II was a magnificent accomplishment and well-worth the long wait. I took one more ride on the RFII. There wasn't too long a wait for the front seat. Another enthusiast joined me. (Karen passed on another ride.) I expected another pleasant race through the landscape, but the coaster surprised me. The warm air and well-greased tracks had turned the previously enjoyable trip into a nail-biter. We flew down the first drop with ferocious speed. The airtime was much more severe. The ride was still smooth, but the world was flying by so fast I hardly had time to catch my breath. The end sequence was taken so quickly I thought we were going to come off the track. We hit the brakes with enormous force. What a difference the day made! Our morning ride lulled me into thinking that the coaster was a pleasant and exciting family ride. But by the early evening, it had evolved into a full-blown thrill machine. Ravine Flyer II was still a lot of fun, but in a very different way. I didn't expect that much power out of seemingly so small a coaster. To calm down a bit, I took another enjoyable walk through Pirate's Cove. Then Karen and I spent an hour or so just walking around the park and taking in the sights, sounds and smells. We didn't want to leave, but it was a long drive back to the hotel and we had to get up early the next morning. So we said our good-byes to Waldameer. Even if the Ravine Flyer II had never been built, the park would be worth a return trip. But now we had even more of a reason. On the way out of the parking lot, Karen wanted to explore Peninsula Drive. So we followed the road down toward Lake Erie, and unexpectedly entered Presque Isle State Park. We weren't sure where the shady road would lead to. We kept following it through its winding course, past picturesque vistas of wide-open water and small cottages. We finally passed a lighthouse and drove alongside a row of sand dunes. We parked the car and walked over the dunes to find the wide-open expanse of Lake Erie at sunset. Smooth drifwood was scattered about the soft sand. There were also hundreds of smooth flat rocks. For the first time in my life, I successfully skipped stones across the water. We stared at the setting sun and listened to the lapping waves against the beach. It would have been nice to set up some lounge chairs and just relax there for the rest of the week. We took a deep breath and then headed back to the car. Coasterfest had just begun. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat May 31 19:25:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77434 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 02:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 02:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 02:25:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20111 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2008 02:25:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CdA3h90VM1khZq3Xz4lc_2En_5apjeP0CvNwdbBiQZT2gk57VfSFA4l_emkfIQQ6bQVfgm_ytbKOzDWh2igTMNhcrxZxYRXd.R72Pg-- X-Received: from [71.127.4.222] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 19:25:17 PDT Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:25:17 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1212260726.3194.25717.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <788601.19405.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: SFGAm Dark Knight Opening Day (5/21/08) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=3LN_lgjfphj6bs4-HiRgXXYzOVpFmSdhOBYXBB_d3adlhXgCZukG X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Great TR, Dave. It supports my suspicions of how the DK scenery would be integrated. A wild mouse simply moves to quickly to allow you to absorb everything. It might have worked better dark-ride style, where the stunt lights up as the car approaches along a stretch of straight track, and then you veer away at the last minute. You coaster experience there is almost opposite of mine. Each time I've been to SFGrAm, the only coaster consistently *not* running has been Viper. I have yet to experience it. 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--YCalReminder=oapIQxgW4tivE6bII1212299406-1-- From internetjunky2k@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 05:28:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: internetjunky2k@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58004 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 12:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 12:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.132) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 12:28:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76618 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2008 12:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.250.41.87] by web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:28:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:28:25 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <726903.48662.qm@web45206.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <498552.75943.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Internetjunky Reply-To: internetjunky2k@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130831931; y=CYyMLrOeGgOp6sodz8M0q-sCjmAS2Hc9bSa3MwTRTGtJ5KprOCbmxVv3 X-Yahoo-Profile: internetjunky2k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I myself would not discount Disney's possible desire for the Busch Virginia properties.  They tried to get into the Virginia market before and they've tried to build a history based property.  Both possibilities are there with the foothold in Williamsburg.   Fun to speculate, but I am guessing the regulators might take a close look at this.  InBev apparently already has huge market share and the acquisition of Busch would give them a very very large share. --- On Sat, 5/31/08, THUNDER <thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com> wrote: From: THUNDER <thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 7:51 PM Very good points, but there are other operators out there, and the capital management companies that may welcome the opportunity to get their hands on their parks.  PARC Management, Inc comes to mind (unless their is a no compete clause from when they took the parks from SFI).  Blackstone Group could be another suitor, but they are associated with the Universal parks.  I am thinking while typing this, and I could see Mark Shapiro try to make a play for the parks here in FL as it would give SFI a boost to have other parks that are open year round, and it would give them a presence in a state that is heavily marketed as a tourist state. Just my two cents, Joe ----- Original Message ---- From: george burnash <gburnash@earthlink. net> To: RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:32:42 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? I've seen a few things about the possible sell so far. Doug Nelson wrote: > > It's doubtful the Belgians are a welcome suitor. Autocratic August > Busch III, who ran the family brewery for 30 years, retired 18 months > ago. That left his son, August Busch IV, in charge. The Busch family > owns 4 percent of the stock, so the company has to deal with a > reasonable bid. This has been one of the ongoing things I've seen- this potential bid/sale is NOT welcome by the Busch family and owners, and there is talk already of doing whatever needs to be done to make sure that no sale goes through. > > Neither company is talking. But the added debt will be enough that > the Financial Times says InBev hopes to raise $6-billion selling A- > B's parks and aluminum recycling business. And this probably answers the questions as to what would happen to the parks if somehow a sale did go through. Much of the reports I've seen said that InBev has no real interest in the parks and would probably try to sell them off. Who would buy them though becomes rather problematic. > "The Busch parks are strong enough to stand on their own," said > Dennis Spiegel, a Cincinnati theme park consultant. "I can see > overseas buyers or even Walt Disney Co. interested in the Sea World > parks. Parks like these rarely get on the market." > I'm sure the parks can stand on their own. Maybe an independent owner. Disney isn't going to buy them. The parks are both to close, as well as to far away from their other properties. San Diego doesn't blend with Anaheim. Sea World in Orlando is close to, but certainly not a part of Walt Disney World. Aquatica likely wouldn't fit into Disney either. Then there's TX and VA, which don't fit at all. Disney probably won't even look at them. Anyone else? Six Flags and Cedar Fair have to much debt, adn they wouldn't fit into the chains. Universal? not likely. Who else is there that would possibly be interested in, and able to run, parks like these? But then I doubt that any sale is going to happen anyways, so it's probably all a moot point. keep on ridin' George (who, coincidentally was at BGA yesterday with a bunch of 5th graders. AAAhhhhhh) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From yaytez@hotmail.com Sun Jun 01 06:17:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: yaytez@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41985 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 13:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 13:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 13:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 13:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 13:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 13:17:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:17:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.254.23.240 From: "yaytez" Subject: Re: if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283972031; y=F9hzDFBa7oQdr8h5HdBXaJHoD_eddijXZdZucYj6GpVc X-Yahoo-Profile: yaytez I think that Busch has seen this coming. If you remember last year=20 they moved their entertainment division from St. Louis, to Orlando.=20 They also changed the name from Busch Entertainment to Worlds of=20 Discovery. I think that if InBev buys A-B, the parks will not be part=20 of the deal and you will see the "Worlds of Discovery" company spun=20 off on its own. IF Disney were to buy it, would they continue the=20 quality of service that A-B has now, or would they try to "Disneyfy"=20 it by making everything the same as their other parks? The one thing=20 I absolutely love about the Busch Family of parks is that each park=20 is very different. They have a lot of similarities, but you can go to=20 each park and get something different out of them....even the Sea=20 World parks. Thats not really the case with Disney, who all seem=20 familiar no matter where in the world you go. I really hope that=20 Busch has seen this,and takes that much pride in their parks that=20 they have positioned them for a branch off, instead of assimilation. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > found this article the other day. thought some would find it=20 > interesting; >=20 > http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/retail/article544616.ece >=20 > The world's biggest beermaker is readying a $46-billion bid for=20 > Anheuser-Busch Cos., touching off speculation the Busch theme parks=20 > will be spun off or sold. >=20 > That would include 10 theme and water parks, including Busch=20 Gardens=20 > Africa in Tampa and SeaWorld Adventure Park in Orlando. Busch=20 > recently moved the headquarters of Busch Entertainment Corp. unit=20 to=20 > Orlando after agreeing to build two parks for the government of=20 Dubai. >=20 > A Belgian brewing conglomerate that owns 200 beer brands in 32=20 > countries, InBev plans to offer at least a 20 percent premium for=20 the=20 > owner of Bud Light, Budweiser and brands that control half the U.S.=20 > beer market, according to the Financial Times. InBev, maker of=20 Becks,=20 > Stella Artois and Bass, controls 11 percent. >=20 > It's doubtful the Belgians are a welcome suitor. Autocratic August=20 > Busch III, who ran the family brewery for 30 years, retired 18=20 months=20 > ago. That left his son, August Busch IV, in charge. The Busch=20 family=20 > owns 4 percent of the stock, so the company has to deal with a=20 > reasonable bid. >=20 > Neither company is talking. But the added debt will be enough that=20 > the Financial Times says InBev hopes to raise $6-billion selling A- > B's parks and aluminum recycling business. >=20 > A likely defense: Busch makes itself too expensive by buying the=20 > other half of the Mexican maker of Corona. Another sign investors=20 > think no deal is forthcoming: shares of SABMiller, the brewer of=20 > Miller beer and the company InBev supposedly goes after if it=20 doesn't=20 > win A-B, perked up in the past week on the speculation. >=20 > The Busch theme parks wouldn't disappear under new ownership. >=20 > "The Busch parks are strong enough to stand on their own," said=20 > Dennis Spiegel, a Cincinnati theme park consultant. "I can see=20 > overseas buyers or even Walt Disney Co. interested in the Sea World=20 > parks. Parks like these rarely get on the market."=20 >=20 > Others think InBev would keep the parks. >=20 > "Big players who bought into parks like Universal were supposed to=20 > sell, but kept them," said John Robinette, senior vice president of=20 > Economic Research Associates, the firm that did the feasibility=20 > studies for Walt Disney World and for Busch to buy SeaWorld in=20 > 1990. "Parks need a lot of capital, but it's a high-margin=20 business." >=20 > Busch Entertainment brings in 8 percent of its parent's revenues.=20 The=20 > parks earned $162-million in 2007 on revenues of $1.2-billion.=20 That's=20 > twice the profit of a decade ago, before Busch went on a capital=20 > spending spree. Since 2005 Busch has spent $332-million on new=20 > attractions. >=20 > Busch sees marketing value from parks that associate a beer company=20 > with fun, family and environmental stewardship. That's less=20 important=20 > to InBev, which zeroes in on fat marketing budgets to hammer=20 national=20 > brews into parts of the global conglomerate. > From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 07:44:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81472 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 14:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 14:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 14:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 14:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 14:44:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:44:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <426009.3466.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.59.74.218 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: TR: Waldameer Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=F0XrgcEFVLJRSLbiAS45YAwARG73JykgJFEdgLRHN78LmiClSr6KFk1w_Wg2 X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back Great TR, makes me want to go there even more! Sounds like you had a wonderful start to Coasterfest. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Well folks, here's part one of our Coasterfest > excursion. It's taking me a lot longer to write these > than I anticipated. As usual, if you'd like to see > the pics that go along with the article, you can head > to: >=20 > http://www.karenandjay.com/trips/wald08/wald08.html From lance@screamscape.com Sun Jun 01 08:09:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60220 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 15:09:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 15:09:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0101.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 15:09:18 -0000 X-Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DC55C4119 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:03:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 X-Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm52.484246a0.8545 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:04:04 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIQrpkeJh2wAIAAAAB,f5f835c0e52fa7dd5c5d50035a8047eb Message-ID: To: References: <4841C3FA.2040602@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4841C3FA.2040602@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:04:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=GjhZCYWz4AYzQNspqW8gfoQqaHaZh7SbWSG1pP_XrjNoVP6g-3EQGYizkw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: george burnash I'm sure the parks can stand on their own. Maybe an independent owner. Disney isn't going to buy them. The parks are both to close, as well as to far away from their other properties. San Diego doesn't blend with Anaheim. Sea World in Orlando is close to, but certainly not a part of Walt Disney World. Aquatica likely wouldn't fit into Disney either. Then there's TX and VA, which don't fit at all. Disney probably won't even look at them. ------ Actually George... your wrong about Disney's interest in the SeaWorld parks. Go back in time a bit to when SeaWorld (then Sea World) was owned by the publisher HBJ who put them up for sale to generate cash to fight off a hostile takeover of their own. Disney was one of the top companies looking to buy the SeaWorld parks then. I can verify their interest myself as well from a first hand experience because when I was a teenager my first job was actually working at SeaWorld California and very close to the end of the sale of the parks Eisner and crew were taken on an indepth tour of the area where I worked and I learned quite a bit from this. At the time the parks for sale were the FOUR SeaWorld parks (California, Ohio, Texas and Florida) as well as Cypress Gardens and Boardwalk & Baseball (also in Florida). As I heard from Eisner himself that day, Disney was really only interested in buying SeaWorld California and Florida and had no interest in the Ohio and Texas parks. If it would help swing the deal they were willing to take on Cypress Gardens and Boarwalk & Baseball as well, especially the later since it was wasn't too far from WDW at the time and obviously Eisner was thinking about the raw idea behind the WDW's Wide World of Sports complex even back then, but mainly they only wanted SeaWorld California and Florida. Why? Well it became clear a few years later after the deal went to Busch and Disney began looking at buying a large piece of property in Long Beach where they wanted to build their second California park... DisneySea. About this same time in Florida we also saw WDW take on their own animal park project as Animal Kingdom. Disney felt that they could incorporate the two SeaWorld parks into the mix back then and I'm sure they could still pull it off today. Grabbing Busch Gardens Virginia as well would be a good move for them... kind of a combination of their old Disney's America concept with the existing more EPCOT international flavor. Disney wouldn't want BG Tampa though... though I could see them rethinking the SeaWorld Texas option because that park sits on a ton of undeveloped empty property where HBJ was actually thinking of building a second park of their own way back then. A second Boardwalk & Baseball... And Texas was an alternate site for Disney's America park too... Lots of What-Ifs here... but Disney or Blackstone (Merlin Entertainment) would be about the only possibly buyers I could see for the Busch parks these days. From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 09:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82914 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 16:13:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 16:13:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n59.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.43) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 16:13:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n59.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 16:13:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.88] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 16:13:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 16:13:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 880916.14775.bm@omp204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9463 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2008 16:13:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EDpLZ1MVM1nfZ9OMskA_in0lXf6luyvxhCAhTIH013ppnaSHOvb2btf9LINLkbh07FFf3T_O8Mwdrs59zw6yR2ajyNKu0GyAIJyS21JA.xevyCp8Mz74fWo0o_k- X-Received: from [70.127.132.225] by web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:13:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 09:13:39 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <675642.6138.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: BREAKING NEWS: Official: Large fire at Universal Studios in SoCal devours movie sets, King Kong attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=nZtbVVPfSoU5_rZIjOHnFM1x8lgPoWOYD2ZEX_u2hKR4h8FaD-VY X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4973260 Joe Tampa Bay, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Jun 01 09:44:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23889 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 16:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 16:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-183.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.53) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 16:44:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4431 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2008 15:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 15:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-231-78.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.231.78] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K2qf6-000122-BD for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:44:04 -0600 Message-Id: <33E980C8-9668-457A-925D-25E6F6345CB9@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <675642.6138.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:47:56 -0400 References: <675642.6138.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-user: ::::76.120.231.78:box24.bluehost.com:::::: DomainKey-Status: no signature X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BREAKING NEWS: Official: Large fire at Universal Studios in SoCal devours movie sets, King Kong attraction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=FzEfa3s4GdDpiv5vYkMCOpejSJPLvWaWh6VAkFHo-K_Hx2PgC1_k X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4973260 > Joe > Tampa Bay, FL It doesn't seem to be an exaggeration that King Kong was completely destroyed, which is made worse because the one in Florida was taken out last year. BBC has some pictures, this one is the King Kong building: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44707000/jpg/_44707107_wholebuilding.jpg Here's the gallery: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7430117.stm And if you zoom in they have some of the places tagged: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=34.140225&lon=-118.3502197&z=13&l=0&m=a&v=2 (however I find it hard to believe the one is a film vault -- if it was, you'd think they'd have the films in a concrete or underground building for climate control, and a good fire suppression system) Mike From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Jun 01 16:02:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20104 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 23:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 23:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 23:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from pool-71-98-228-87.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.228.87] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2wZh-0007Sd-D5 for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:02:53 -0400 Message-ID: <484329B4.6080802@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:59:00 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1b5541751becfff439e6ba15af0da658580dcee6b910472350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: SFKK report released- not good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=rJRV4jq-xCZPqqhrHtRO3Ht-KfjOglotSXwov0DvWIFvUFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash If you haven't seen it yet, they've released the reports on the drop tower incident at SFKK, and it's not good news for the park. You can find a news article here: http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8402861 And the actual report is here (forget the site, the report is legit) http://amusementsafety.org/six_flags/kentucky_report_08.pdf Essentially it comes down to two things: The park didn't inspect or maintain the cables, the one breaking being over 4 years old with lots of rust and other problems. Just really bad. The ride op still could have prevented serious injury, and they would have had only scrapes and bruises, if they had hit the estop when it first became apparent there was a problem- as in the big loud noise. But it took 10 seconds for them to hit it, during which the car continue to ascend. Those 10 seconds could have saved the girls feet. SFKK got the max fine- all of $1000 which is pocket change. But I see a lot more bad news for them coming from this. keep on ridin George From lance@screamscape.com Sun Jun 01 21:16:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81534 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 04:16:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 04:16:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0101.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 04:16:28 -0000 X-Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC21556158 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:13:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 X-Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm22.4840ae39.17f2b for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:14:39 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIQ3OvIkcorQIAAAAB,c80316d29f8d2ff647dc788ec2dbdc75 Message-ID: <9237587CE3A04874A79DF780A71E4872@ScreamscapeHP> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:15:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Universal Studios Hollywood Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=UxOkKLHomXeDBIRqtf0NnhvJg-iyiS9rYyrjWOm4yA9cmio9lmTod5TZXg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone interested in seeing pictures of the fire at Universal, I've got a few more posted to Screamscape right now. http://www.screamscape.com/html/universal_studios_hollywood.htm Of particular interest is this one... where I managed to find a picture of my own from last year that shows the exact same area of the backlot from about the same angle as a picture taken earlier today. It really drives home just how much was damaged. http://www.screamscape.com/html/ush_-_fire_4.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 00:58:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42370 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 07:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 07:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 07:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 07:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 07:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 07:58:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:58:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33E980C8-9668-457A-925D-25E6F6345CB9@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.140.226 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Official: Large fire at Universal Studios in SoCal devours m X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=NmpX1PABNGGMzVGwq9o-f8Rqo_Wo_dnOueZY7p_UkfO7AC138o7V X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani > (however I find it hard to believe the one is a film vault -- if it=20=20 > was, you'd think they'd have the films in a concrete or underground=20=20 > building for climate control, and a good fire suppression system) They were saying on the news radio here in L.A. that it was a video vault, not the master film vault, which is deep in a bunker or something. They said they lost King Kong, the Back to the Future square, and New York Street. But the videos were all replaceable. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Jun 02 05:58:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51871 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 12:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 12:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 12:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 12:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 12:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 12:58:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:58:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=qbpCVaYtDi_EaMo_UT55i_M4HxfCXwo9ZmpLM6aB0yHVy5WPHatCdkLC0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 something else too that i dont know if has been addressed-they had to=20 have known for months about this bid. why then build Aquatica, or for=20 that matter, why bother going forward with that new manta-themed=20 coaster at SWO? its due in 2009, but if InBev doesnt want the parks,=20 wouldnt you halt all building projects until you knew the fate of the=20 parks connected with AB? either they honestly think the buyout isnt=20 happening, or they already have been given the ok that the parks will=20 still be operating, one way or another.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Mon Jun 02 06:34:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11741 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 13:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 13:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 13:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963736A38FD for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:32:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.4840adfb.45f70 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:32:51 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIQ/aDXP9GCQIAAAAB,ab7c5a89b765341eacba05016a232a45 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:33:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=3fKcrtYAGw4OyUemM23ZYraMQPzdT1Ei5HGfN5nRTFk20O-bVFD6QntnlA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Nelson something else too that i dont know if has been addressed-they had to have known for months about this bid. why then build Aquatica, or for that matter, why bother going forward with that new manta-themed coaster at SWO? its due in 2009, but if InBev doesnt want the parks, wouldnt you halt all building projects until you knew the fate of the parks connected with AB? either they honestly think the buyout isnt happening, or they already have been given the ok that the parks will still be operating, one way or another. ------- While I don't think Busch knew about this in advance, the threat of a hostile take-over isn't going to stop any company from moving forward with their own expansion plans. If nothing else, loading themselves down with increased debt levels by approving a ton of new projects would seem to be a good "poison pill" strategy. This is why many believe that Busch may offer to buy up the remaining 50% of Grupo Modelo that they don't own, the Mexican based brewer behind the various Modelo brews, Pacifica and the widly known Corona brands. In addition to increasing the debt levels of AB, it would also increase the worth of the company by expansion, as well as likely send the stock price soaring... all of which are factors that would make any purchse offer by InBev cost a hell of a lot more than they think it will now. Though I suspect the biggest problem right now is how weak the US dollar is now... as this essentially makes everything and every company in the country appear as if we have a giant SALE sign over us where the cost of everything is 25% off. (not a true percentage, just a number I pulled out of thin air. Someone else may know better what the actual currency exchange rate is these days.) From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Jun 02 07:46:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95723 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 14:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 14:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 14:46:04 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so66914yxg.31 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.9.1 with SMTP id m1mr6030772ybi.247.1212417963068; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0806020746m7a7edbb4m7706c9f51fbe30c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:46:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <426009.3466.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1212260726.3194.25717.m45@yahoogroups.com> <426009.3466.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Waldameer Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=okc2lte2t-RuH7FtFHDvFVx6TbqntYtf25djliZyIN0i9Jc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Jay- Glad to hear that the RFII is what the park needed. I know they worked a long time to get that done. Hopefully it will hold up better than the Kemah coaster. Does anyone know what the issues with the Kemah ride have been? Are they design or building issues, or was Kemah just not up to taking care of a wooden coaster? One quick correction, the spinning coaster was actually a Maurer, not a Gerstlauer. The Gerstlauer trains have inward-facing seating (http://www.rideentertainment.com/pdf/SpinningCoaster.pdf). Also, in terms of spinning, I believe the Maurers have governors on them while Gerstlauer and Zamperla do not. The model Waldameer picked up was a used carnie one from Europe that Maurer repod, refurbished and resold, which is why both Waldameer and Seabreeze could afford them. Adam From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Jun 02 07:50:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70070 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 14:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 14:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 14:50:28 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d27so353869tid.3 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:50:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.97.20 with SMTP id u20mr4064563ybb.51.1212418226933; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0806020750vd4dca9cs80785e516105ebed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:50:26 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: if InBev buys Busch, what happens to the parks? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=nQGXm7xUVE1yxPU6BPjZEauEDyJ8ZZeggGuaEycxGYq3Do8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy (not a true percentage, just a number I pulled out of thin air. Someone > else may know better what the actual currency exchange rate is these days.) Right now it is an embarrassing 1.55 $ to 1 Euro. It has hovered around here for a few months, now. Adam From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 08:44:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32453 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 15:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 15:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 15:44:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47856 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2008 15:44:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0zNpEPwVM1mosjDQMJIaW.9k9ysuHApoV2sQwVRp6xqLfr9rDh.S3QGey6dX2uwkiUEHcKS6IO8uabPRoHkr94WAAVlROGmAUlCFtvhmAZVTj81J.hFWLACprqQ- X-Received: from [71.127.4.222] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:44:10 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT) To: rollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <435707.47835.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: TR: Kennywood, May 25 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Vu4ME8MltyzRzFM3Qy_Ku9IjHV5krQFJrKr5q39iH3nKOuo-rh4l X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's part 2 of our Coasterfest trip. Pictures can be seen here: === The second park on our Coasterfest trip was Kennywood, the beautiful traditional park near Pittsburgh, PA. Karen and I made a trip there four years before. I'm glad we returned, because the park (and all its affiliated parks including nearby Idlewild and Kennywood, August 2004 (Part 2)>Lake Compounce) had just been purchased by Parques Reunidos of Madrid, Spain. Kennywood had been a family-owned and -operated park for over a century. The owners had a knack for being able to balance tradition and an appreciation of their heritage with an integration of new rides and technologies. I was worried about what the new owners might do to the parks in the long run. So this was a chance to see the "old" Kennywood one last time. The temperature was only in the 30s, so we wore our sweatshirts. We stopped for breakfast at a McDonald's next to the park and then drove over to the parking lot entrance. We were told to get there by 8:45 am, but no one was around. A maintenance working was picking up trash and we asked him where the gatekeeper was. He told us not to worry about it, so we drove in and parked next to the only other car in the lot, right at the entryway. A man stood next to the bright red vehicle. It was the inimitable Marty Moltz. We chatted for a while about cheese-on-a-stick, on which Marty is an unequivocal authority. He was disheartened by the shortage of that park delicacy. Fewer and fewer parks seemed to offer it. I told him about the predominantly southern chain Corn Dog 7, which always served cheese-on-a-stick. We chatted about Hawaii and other things while waiting for more people to arrive. Eventually we walked down the stairs and over to the main entrance, which had been redesigned since our last visit. There was now a more formal egress area, and it was surrounded with stately brick walls. There was also a sign welcoming guests and reminding them of the park's National Historic Landmark status. On our last visit, I had told Karen about all the flowers and landscaping the park had. She was a bit disillusioned to find that my statement seemed to be an exaggeration. But on this visit, as if to make up for the last time, the abundance of flowers was almost comical. We walked down the hill and through the entrance tunnel, emerging into the magical colorful world of Kennywood. We brought a change of shoes so we could go on the water rides without having soggy feet for the rest of the day. Our first stop was the locker pavilion, located next to the tunnel. To the right of the lockers was the Turnpike that had a gas station with a more palatable pricing structure than the big chains (fill 'er up for FUN). To the left was the large old windmill, quietly turning. The whole park was quiet. There seemed to be a lot of trash scattered about the midway, and crews were hurridly picking it up. We had an "Exclusive Ride Time" session on the Jack Rabbit scheduled for 9:30, so that's where we headed. There were already a few other enthusiasts in line. We watched as the crew cycled a train and put a second one on the tracks. The trains, painted in very bright colors, were amazing to look at, with old Prior-and-Church-style flared backs and heavy padding. There were no traditional lap bars, just a stationary iron grab bar. Workers wiped down the train fronts and the seats. They cycled the trains through, and then the coaster opened for us. This venerable old John Miller ride was still a marvel. Karen and I took a seat in the middle of the comfy train. It rolled out of the station, circling to the left and then plunging down the ravine hidden behind the structure. We flew up into the dark tunnel, turned and then engaged the lift hill. The double-down off the lift flung us out of our seats. We bounced all the way back to the station. Even though the ride was really short, it was a lot of fun. And did I mention it was comfortable? We queued up for another ride and got the second seat. We had a much punchier ride, flying even harder out of our seats. After that we wandered through the peaceful park, which was still closed to the general public. The game booths were all still shuttered but the doors were painted with various scenes to match nearby attractions, so that even a closed booth looked attractive. There didn't seem to be any area in the park that wasn't filled by something visually interesting. There was a large garden with a bronze statue of George Washington. Signs were placed around it with historical information about the park and the area. As we moved toward the center of the park, we passed a newer addition to the midway: a large Zamperla Disk'O ride named Cosmic Chaos. It was wonderfully themed to an alien invasion, with various extraterrestrial figures placed around the ride in humorous situations. One near the ride's entrance was holding a digital camera, presumably taking pictures of unsuspecting guests. Beautiful landscaping abounded. The dancing waters were putting on a different display since the last time we were there. We decided to head toward the park's new dark ride. We were getting "First Ride of the Day" on it. Ghostwood Estates was taking the place of the old Gold Rusher mine-themed dark ride. Gold Rusher had a really peculiar station, requiring you to climb stairs to a long platform above and next to the stations for the Raging Rapids and the Thunderbolt coaster. The cars would travel along that platform before entering the actual ride area, which was located on the second story of a building that housed a stretch of game booths. I knew that the remodel had upset some members of the dark ride community. I also knew that Ghostwood Estates was a high-tech dark ride, with guns and targets like Lake Compounces' Ghost Hunt. On the way there, we passed by the Asian-themed ice cream booth and the big bubble-like fountain with the flower clock behind it. We spotted the new entrance for Ghostwood Estates. It was really imposing, giving the appearance of a huge Victorian mansion. The detail in the building was impressive, from the old stone foundation to the cobwebs on the wrought-iron railings. A park supervisor was nearby and told me that the cobwebs were made with strands of hot glue (a painstaking process). The old overhang had been removed and the entire station was now on the second floor of the "mansion." The queue line snaked back and forth underneath the station. A stairway at the back led up and was accessed by a long corridor stretching back on the left. But I couldn't see how patrons got to the corridor in order to get up the stairs. Nothing else of the ride was visible. As was the case all over the park, a crew was busy cleaning up. We relaxed in the shade. Gradually more people drifted over. About a half-hour later, we lined up in front of the queue. A spooky-but-not-scary soundtrack began playing on some unobtrusive high-quality speakers positioned around the building. A big-screen television at the back wall of the queue lit up and began showing videos and information about the park. After several more minutes, the queue line was opened. We were told to enter a door on the left, one that blended in so well with the surrounding wall that it was almost invisible. Fifty guests were brought into a small darkened area that looked like a living room. Spooky organ music was playing. A dim chandelier hung from the ceiling. There was a crackling (artificial) fireplace against one wall, and above it hung a sinister portrait (which was another big-screen TV hung sideways). The portrait was of our purported host. The room filled with people, the door closed and then the portrait came to life. A computer-generated version of our host told us how spirits had overrun his home. We had to help him get rid of them. He didn't look like the sort of chap I'd want to help, though. He explained that our four-seat vehicles were equipped with special guns. We had to aim at the flashing targets in the rooms. (That seemed like an odd instruction. Why not just shoot the spirits themselves?) He also warned us that at one point the ride would stop, and we were not to get our of our vehicles. We were then ushered out a back door and through that long corridor. Karen and I ended up about three-quarters of the way back in the line. It took several more minutes to proceed up the stairs. A woman in front of us said she'd been on the ride already and loved it. I think she was a member of the Dark Ride and Fun House Enthusiasts. She also told us about the metal screening that was affixed to the stairway's handrails. The queue line was directly below the stairs, and she said she told the Kennywood management to block the view of the stairs or else kids would use their cell phones to take problematic images of the people above them on the stairs. And she said the group made suggestions to Kennywood about some stunts that were too close to riders and would get damaged. When we finally arrived at the top of the stairs, I marvelled at the new trackless cars. There were faint outlines on the concrete surface corresponding to the marks left by the cars' tires. And there were intermittent sets of small metal plates. But outside of that, there was nothing to indicate that these cars would be following a pre-set path. I have no idea how they were powered. Karen and I got in the front of a car. The woman we were talking with got in the back seat, which was slightly higher. Our car mysteriously proceeded forward with a mind of its own. The door in front of us swung open and we were treated to a dazzling assortment of ghoulish scenes and dozens of animatronic figures. We were also overwhelmed with hundreds of flashing targets. Many didn't seem to correspond to anything. We certainly couldn't miss seeing them: the targets sported a red and white bullseye pattern and had flashing blue lights. I found them very distracting. Actually, the whole idea of shooting targets was distracting; I didn't have any time to take in the many elaborate stunts. The woman behind us at one point shouted, "Hit the birthday cake!" Karen did and a skeleton popped out of the top. I saw another car pass by perpendicular to us, and that completely puzzled me. Cars normally don't cross paths in a dark ride. At the place where I saw the car pass, our car veered to the right and came to a dead end. The car stopped. There was an array of targets in front of us, so we kept shooting. Suddenly our car backed up and turned ninety degrees to the left, then continued down the path I saw the other car take. That amazed me. The ride was much longer than I expected. When we arrived back at the station, I hadn't scored that much and neither had Karen. I couldn't figure out how to aim the oddly-shaped "gun" (which looked more like a black pear on a fat stick). The woman behind us did quite well, though. Overall, I think Kennywood did the right thing. The ride exterior was beautifully integrated with the surroundings. The area looked better than it had with the Gold Rusher. The ride itself was a technological tour-de-force. Time will tell how reliable those trackless cars will be. But it certainly was impressive. And the interior scenes (those I was able to spy when I wasn't frantically shooting) were extremely well-done. The only thing that bothered me were those ugly targets. I wish they had found a less obtrusive way to indicate shootable areas. Unlike Ghost Hunt, where the targets were usually integrated with the characters and scenery, the targets on Ghostwood Estates seemed almost like an afterthought. And they didn't seem to trigger very easily. I would have liked to have just ridden through and not shoot anything. But then, most of the stunts wouldn't have functioned (since direct hits triggered the actions). We left Ghostwood Estates. The park had officially opened. Karen paused for a picture at the nearby Thunderbolt sign. The air had begun warming up, so we went back to our locker to stow our sweatshirts. On the way we passed by the old and rare Kangaroo ride, which sort of simulated driving off a cliff over and over again. A four-piece street band was performing in front of the locker building. Perhaps because the park's season had just begun, they seemed a bit hesitant and uncomfortable. We climbed the stairs and went to our locker. We were suprised to discover that once we opened the locker, that was then end of our dollar. Each time we took anything our or wanted to put something else in, it would cost another dollar. But we bit the bullet and paid. It was almost noon and we were a bit hungry, so we headed to the Parkside Cafe. The menu there gave us vegetarians plenty of options. We both opted for the tuna sandwich. It was on a thick sort of panini bread. We sat out on the porch and ate. Unfortunately, the panini was quite dry. Otherwise it was okay. We could hear the happy sounds of the band organ from the nearby carousel. It contrasted with the grumpy cashier inside the cafe. We then walked back toward the park entrance. Garfield's Nightmare (formerly Kennywood's old mill ride) had a long line, so we passed on that and instead queued up for the Turnpike. I liked how the old jalopies made a clattering sound as they ran through their course. The cars required nothing from the riders; they were completely automatic -- no gas pedal and not much steering either. But the ride was peaceful, picturesque and long (over four minutes). We headed for the Raging Rapids. Along the way were more nicely landscaped displays. We also passed by "The Lumberjack Show," a large area near the center of the park with bleachers and lots of wood. We never did see the show. I assume it was a woodcutting demonstration. The Rapids didn't have much of a line. The first time I rode it (back in 1991), the water was a distressingly dark green color and stunk. This year the water was crystal clear. There really wasn't much to the ride itself. The troughs were rather mild. But it did have a couple of drenching waterfalls. I've never been a fan of those type of rapids rides, where it's essentially a crap shoot as to who gets wet. On Thunder Rapids at Lake Compounce, everybody got wet because of the well-designed trough. Here it all depended on whether you were in just the right position going through the waterfall. We rode with four children. The ride was pleasant, like a fast flume. There were numerous lookout stations along the course. As luck would have it, the kids got drenched under the waterfall. Karen and I got mildly wet in comparison. That was fine with us. To dry off, we stood in the sunny line for the Thunderbolt. In front of us was the towering second hill of the Phantom's Revenge. The loud clacking of that coaster's lift hill could be heard all around the park (as could the whooshing of air from the nearby Swingshot). The two coasters intertwined, traversing the same ravine. The Thunderbolt crew added another train while we waited, and that sped things up considerably. It was fun to watch the trains circle around us. And I was glad to see that Kennywood still had those wonderful National Amusement Device trains. Next door to the station, the classic Turtle ride (one of the few remaining) was in full swing. It wasn't as punchy as Whalom Park's used to be, but it was still fun. I wondered why companies haven't built new versions of them. We finally boarded the front seat, and off we went down that first drop out of the station, across the ravine with a pop of airtime, around the corner and then up the lift. What followed next was what the Thunderbolt was all about: we flew through the double helix and were crushed over to the left side of the train. Those were some of the most intense lateral forces on any coaster. Then we hopped back down the ravine, turned and jumped back down and up the hill and hit the brakes. The Thunderbolt, like the Jack Rabbit, was another classic Kennywood ride that didn't thrill or terrify but instead brought a smile to my face, as it has every time I've ridden it. It was just plain fun. We knew the source of the delightful smell coming from the building next to the Thunderbolt. Karen couldn't resist some of Kennywood's delicious Potato Patch french fries. While she waited for her treat, I walked to the opposite side of the midway for one of my all-time favorite walk-thru fun houses, Noah's Ark. This ride was another demonstration of Kennywood's commitment to their heritage. The fun house had been modified numerous times over the years, but the essense of it always remained. And the park recently spent an enormous amount of money overhauling it, to make sure it continued enthralling new generations of guests. As with Ghostwood Estates, groups of people were let in at once. There were lots of ingenious stunts, like the transparent floor looking down onto corpses below. But the hallmark of the ride was the gigantic rocking ark itself. It, combined with all sorts of tilted floors, created one of the most disorienting experiences I've ever encountered. That strange drunken sensation stayed with me for quite a while after I had left the ride. I met back up with Karen, who was still in line for her fries. In fact, the Potato Patch had four long continuous lines all day. The park was rapidly filling up. Some areas were getting so congested that people were shoulder-to-shoulder. Next to the Potato Patch was the colorful corn dog stand, which looked like a giant birthday cake. (Alas, no cheese-on-a-stick!) It was then about 2:00, so we headed over to Pavilion 13 for our free all-you-can-eat buffet. Mary Lou Rosemeyer, Kennywood's media representative, was there. She talked about the park and handed out some door prizes by asking questions of the group. ("Who here has traveled the farthest?") The meal was quite good: cole slaw, rolls and some tasty pasta with marinara sauce. The Log Jammer flume ride, with its unique bunny hop near the end of the ride, was next to us. Karen didn't feel like getting wet again, so we passed on that. We were going to take a spin on the paddle boats, but the pond was too crowded. So we walked toward the Lost Kennywood section of the park. We passed by the whimsically landscaped Pirate ride. I stopped at the Big Dipper ice cream stand and got some really tasted Blueberry Cheesecake ice cream. Then we entered the Lost Kennywood area, which was almost like a different park. The Pittsburg Plunge shoot-the-chutes ride was sending out a huge splash into its long pool. The sound of the many large fountains made it seem like we were standing at the edge of a dam. Phantom's Revenge was roaring by. Karen decided to pass on it, choosing to spend time relaxing by the water and visiting the gift shop. But I got in line and encountered the same coaster enthusiast I rode Ravine Flyer II with on the previous day. Phantom was running two trains, and the line moved fairly quickly. While waiting we were afforded some great views of the layout, including the huge sweeping turnaround, the curve around the Turtle and the hidden bunny hops back to the station. In a few minutes we were in the front seat and rolling up the noisy lift. We had a long look at the vast parking areas across the street. Then the track dipped and turned 180 degrees right and we were flying down. We zipped across the long flat run and zoomed up the second hill which curved slightly to the right. Then came the 230-foot plunge off the cliff and through the structure of the Thunderbolt. The ride was very smooth and extremely fast. We flew through the big arching turn, the short tunnel and then I braced myself for the high-speed bunny hops back to the station. It was like riding a bucking bronco, with severe jolts of airtime the whole way. Like all of Kennywood's coasters, it was short but sweet. There was a lot of action packed into a relatively small area. I met up with Karen near the ride's exit. We headed over to the gift shop. On our previous visit, she had gotten a really nice straw hat there (which got ruined in a thunderstorm at Cedar Point). But unfortunately that style of hat was now nowhere to be found in the park. They did have a nice collection of art prints, though, plus the usual assortment of magnets and pins. We purchased a few items. I asked about a print of Noah's Ark. The attendant said they'd have to get one from the stock room. So we said we'd come back. We were going to take another ride on Ghostwood Estates, but the queue line was completely filled. So instead we walked over to the Olde Kennywood Railroad, which sported a terrific art deco engine. The entrance was next to another historic display, the Laughing Sal figure which used to becon guests into one of Kennywood's many fun houses long ago. The railroad traveled along the edge of the park's cliffside. It normally featured narration, but this time the ride was taken in silence. It was peaceful and relaxing. As we passed by some of the statues of figures from Pittsburgh's past, I heard some riders wonder aloud who they were. Perhaps the park could add plaques beside the dioramas for the times when the sound isn't working. We then lined up for the Traver-builtAuto Race, the last ride of its kind in existence. I took the front seat and Karen took the back. I'm still amazed how fast the cars travel through the wooden trough. It's another one of those Kennywood rides that left us smiling. We then strolled through the colorful Kiddieland, one of the largest areas just for kids that I've ever seen in a park. The drop tower there, Bounce Bounce, illustrated how Kennywood truly was a family park: there were not only kids but also a mother, father and a grandmother all on the ride together. I wistfully gazed at the kiddie coaster, Lil' Phantom, which was nearly identical to the old Schiff kiddie coaster I used to operate at Mountain Park. We were running out of steam and had another early morning the next day. Karen really wanted to see the park's spectacular display of neon lighting. So as night gradually encroached, we walked back toward the Lost Kennywood section. On the way, we stopped to watch a juggler perform on a unicycle. He was sort of the Don Rickles of acrobats, throwing out sarcastic comments to the audience as he went through his routines. We walked into the Lost Kennywood gift shop. I picked up the print of Noah's Ark. We went back out onto the midway. The Pittsburg Plunge had been shut down. Even though darkness was falling, none of the lights were coming on. We stopped to ask a security guard about that. He seemed puzzled, saying that the lights should already have come on. We played a nearby water gun game, and I won a little stuffed penguin for Karen. Gradually, the lights popped on. We walked up onto the bridge overlooking the giant pool and stared out at the fountains. Normally at night, the fountains continually changed color. But it wasn't dark enough to notice at that point. As we left Lost Kennywood, Karen pointed out that the "Goodnight" heart was missing from the exit. A few neon lights were shining. The Phantom's Revenge was silhouetted against the setting sun. The midway was finally coming to life. Cosmic Chaos was thrilling its riders. The Jack Rabbit was glowing with its neon stars. We finally were witnessing that art deco wonderland that we remembered and loved. We stopped at our locker to collect our stuff and then headed for the exit. And there, above the tunnel, hung the "Goodnight" heart that Karen had spoken of. It was a testament to Kennywood that Karen and I really didn't do all that much during the day. We didn't go on very many rides. We didn't rush around to try to cover every area of the park. We didn't have to. We just relaxed and soaked up the ambiance of the park. And we once again had a good time. To me, this was the perfect kind of amusement park, one that let us forget the cares of the day and simply be delighted by the sights, sounds and smells around us. I hoped Parques Reunidos understood this, and would allow this beautiful place to continue to make wonderful memories for generations to come. Jay From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 12:19:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37933 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 19:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 19:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n64b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 19:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n64.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 19:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 19:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2008 19:19:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 581777.30852.bm@omp507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89384 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2008 19:19:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E_MUobwVM1lt4K1NQjvhXnSmH492zfU50wioLnlO_RKSpXKQoVK7lvztvs4DAun00i1pwwhjWOJb4LC0n7DmeHActpMuwwdaTfMgAXQTu9hSZBQH8vahAvlM6Go- X-Received: from [70.127.132.225] by web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:19:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:19:12 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <385892.89350.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.45.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Universal Studios Hollywood Fire X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=xAdyKgDR67MN5ac5h-mEszcjwAYMLiUy1aiZQo3qV59E3PSG9IGX X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have pictures of when I vacationed out there in 1986, 1988, and when I li= ved out there from 1989-1999.=A0 It drove home how much was damaged when I looked at the = pictures taken while I was out there.=A0 I makes me sad at what was lost. Joe Tampa Bay, FL ----- Original Message ---- From: Lance To: Roller Coaster Talk Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 12:15:01 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Universal Studios Hollywood Fire For anyone interested in seeing pictures of the fire at Universal, I've got= a few more posted to Screamscape right now. http://www.screamsc ape.com/html/ universal_ studios_hollywoo d.htm Of particular interest is this one... where I managed to find a picture of = my own from last year that shows the exact same area of the backlot from ab= out the same angle as a picture taken earlier today. It really drives home = just how much was damaged. http://www.screamsc ape.com/html/ ush_-_fire_ 4.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Jun 02 17:39:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10752 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 00:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 00:39:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 00:39:53 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so696301ywe.29 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:39:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.155.21 with SMTP id h21mr5347646ybo.142.1212453592199; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.212.1 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0806021739o28650bbeqa4e8916bedf43503@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:39:52 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <435707.47835.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <435707.47835.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Kennywood, May 25 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=y_f3Zk9s-AzMaj8LjdXutD97IRwr2AxrO4_oKtakEOT-LS8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Jay, thanks again for the wonderful trip report. You have a beautiful way with words that truly captures the ambiance of the park, and the wonderful park experience. I've been to Kennywood 3 times now, and every time I have really enjoyed it for all of the reasons that you so expertly mentioned in your report. Although when I went there last summer it was park 8 of our 8 park, 9 day trip and Erin had come down with a bladder infection the night before. So a combination of our fatigue and her extreme lack of comfort left a much different taste in our mouths than the kennywood I remembered from my other two trips. Not to mention it was in the high 90s and absolutely packed. Either way, your trip report helped me to remember what I loved about Kennywood, and your eloquence made me feel like I was going through the day with you. So thanks again for the report. I know yours don't usually get many replies, but if you keep writing them, I'll keep reading. -Mike On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > Here's part 2 of our Coasterfest trip. Pictures can > be seen here: > > > === > > The second park on our Coasterfest trip was Kennywood, > the beautiful traditional park near Pittsburgh, PA. > Karen and I made a trip there four years before. I'm > glad we returned, because the park (and all its > affiliated parks including nearby Idlewild and > Kennywood, August 2004 (Part 2)>Lake Compounce) had > just been purchased by Parques Reunidos of Madrid, > Spain. Kennywood had been a family-owned and -operated > park for over a century. The owners had a knack for > being able to balance tradition and an appreciation of > their heritage with an integration of new rides and > technologies. I was worried about what the new owners > might do to the parks in the long run. So this was a > chance to see the "old" Kennywood one last time. > > The temperature was only in the 30s, so we wore our > sweatshirts. We stopped for breakfast at a McDonald's > next to the park and then drove over to the parking > lot entrance. We were told to get there by 8:45 am, > but no one was around. A maintenance working was > picking up trash and we asked him where the gatekeeper > was. He told us not to worry about it, so we drove in > and parked next to the only other car in the lot, > right at the entryway. A man stood next to the bright > red vehicle. It was the inimitable Marty Moltz. We > chatted for a while about cheese-on-a-stick, on which > Marty is an unequivocal authority. He was disheartened > by the shortage of that park delicacy. Fewer and fewer > parks seemed to offer it. I told him about the > predominantly southern chain Corn Dog 7, which always > served cheese-on-a-stick. We chatted about Hawaii and > other things while waiting for more people to arrive. > > Eventually we walked down the stairs and over to the > main entrance, which had been redesigned since our > last visit. There was now a more formal egress area, > and it was surrounded with stately brick walls. There > was also a sign welcoming guests and reminding them of > the park's National Historic Landmark status. > > On our last visit, I had told Karen about all the > flowers and landscaping the park had. She was a bit > disillusioned to find that my statement seemed to be > an exaggeration. But on this visit, as if to make up > for the last time, the abundance of flowers was almost > comical. We walked down the hill and through the > entrance tunnel, emerging into the magical colorful > world of Kennywood. We brought a change of shoes so we > could go on the water rides without having soggy feet > for the rest of the day. Our first stop was the locker > pavilion, located next to the tunnel. To the right of > the lockers was the Turnpike that had a gas station > with a more palatable pricing structure than the big > chains (fill 'er up for FUN). To the left was the > large old windmill, quietly turning. > > The whole park was quiet. There seemed to be a lot of > trash scattered about the midway, and crews were > hurridly picking it up. We had an "Exclusive Ride > Time" session on the Jack Rabbit scheduled for 9:30, > so that's where we headed. There were already a few > other enthusiasts in line. We watched as the crew > cycled a train and put a second one on the tracks. The > trains, painted in very bright colors, were amazing to > look at, with old Prior-and-Church-style flared backs > and heavy padding. There were no traditional lap bars, > just a stationary iron grab bar. Workers wiped down > the train fronts and the seats. They cycled the trains > through, and then the coaster opened for us. This > venerable old John Miller ride was still a marvel. > Karen and I took a seat in the middle of the comfy > train. It rolled out of the station, circling to the > left and then plunging down the ravine hidden behind > the structure. We flew up into the dark tunnel, turned > and then engaged the lift hill. The double-down off > the lift flung us out of our seats. We bounced all the > way back to the station. Even though the ride was > really short, it was a lot of fun. And did I mention > it was comfortable? We queued up for another ride and > got the second seat. We had a much punchier ride, > flying even harder out of our seats. > > After that we wandered through the peaceful park, > which was still closed to the general public. The game > booths were all still shuttered but the doors were > painted with various scenes to match nearby > attractions, so that even a closed booth looked > attractive. There didn't seem to be any area in the > park that wasn't filled by something visually > interesting. There was a large garden with a bronze > statue of George Washington. Signs were placed around > it with historical information about the park and the > area. As we moved toward the center of the park, we > passed a newer addition to the midway: a large > Zamperla Disk'O ride named Cosmic Chaos. It was > wonderfully themed to an alien invasion, with various > extraterrestrial figures placed around the ride in > humorous situations. One near the ride's entrance was > holding a digital camera, presumably taking pictures > of unsuspecting guests. > > Beautiful landscaping abounded. The dancing waters > were putting on a different display since the last > time we were there. We decided to head toward the > park's new dark ride. We were getting "First Ride of > the Day" on it. Ghostwood Estates was taking the place > of the old Gold Rusher mine-themed dark ride. Gold > Rusher had a really peculiar station, requiring you to > climb stairs to a long platform above and next to the > stations for the Raging Rapids and the Thunderbolt > coaster. The cars would travel along that platform > before entering the actual ride area, which was > located on the second story of a building that housed > a stretch of game booths. I knew that the remodel had > upset some members of the dark ride community. I also > knew that Ghostwood Estates was a high-tech dark ride, > with guns and targets like Lake Compounces' Ghost > Hunt. > > On the way there, we passed by the Asian-themed ice > cream booth and the big bubble-like fountain with the > flower clock behind it. We spotted the new entrance > for Ghostwood Estates. It was really imposing, giving > the appearance of a huge Victorian mansion. The detail > in the building was impressive, from the old stone > foundation to the cobwebs on the wrought-iron > railings. A park supervisor was nearby and told me > that the cobwebs were made with strands of hot glue (a > painstaking process). The old overhang had been > removed and the entire station was now on the second > floor of the "mansion." The queue line snaked back and > forth underneath the station. A stairway at the back > led up and was accessed by a long corridor stretching > back on the left. But I couldn't see how patrons got > to the corridor in order to get up the stairs. Nothing > else of the ride was visible. As was the case all over > the park, a crew was busy cleaning up. > > We relaxed in the shade. Gradually more people drifted > over. About a half-hour later, we lined up in front of > the queue. A spooky-but-not-scary soundtrack began > playing on some unobtrusive high-quality speakers > positioned around the building. A big-screen > television at the back wall of the queue lit up and > began showing videos and information about the park. > After several more minutes, the queue line was opened. > We were told to enter a door on the left, one that > blended in so well with the surrounding wall that it > was almost invisible. Fifty guests were brought into a > small darkened area that looked like a living room. > Spooky organ music was playing. A dim chandelier hung > from the ceiling. There was a crackling (artificial) > fireplace against one wall, and above it hung a > sinister portrait (which was another big-screen TV > hung sideways). The portrait was of our purported > host. The room filled with people, the door closed and > then the portrait came to life. A computer-generated > version of our host told us how spirits had overrun > his home. We had to help him get rid of them. He > didn't look like the sort of chap I'd want to help, > though. He explained that our four-seat vehicles were > equipped with special guns. We had to aim at the > flashing targets in the rooms. (That seemed like an > odd instruction. Why not just shoot the spirits > themselves?) He also warned us that at one point the > ride would stop, and we were not to get our of our > vehicles. > > We were then ushered out a back door and through that > long corridor. Karen and I ended up about > three-quarters of the way back in the line. It took > several more minutes to proceed up the stairs. A woman > in front of us said she'd been on the ride already and > loved it. I think she was a member of the Dark Ride > and Fun House Enthusiasts. She also told us about the > metal screening that was affixed to the stairway's > handrails. The queue line was directly below the > stairs, and she said she told the Kennywood management > to block the view of the stairs or else kids would use > their cell phones to take problematic images of the > people above them on the stairs. And she said the > group made suggestions to Kennywood about some stunts > that were too close to riders and would get damaged. > > When we finally arrived at the top of the stairs, I > marvelled at the new trackless cars. There were faint > outlines on the concrete surface corresponding to the > marks left by the cars' tires. And there were > intermittent sets of small metal plates. But outside > of that, there was nothing to indicate that these cars > would be following a pre-set path. I have no idea how > they were powered. Karen and I got in the front of a > car. The woman we were talking with got in the back > seat, which was slightly higher. Our car mysteriously > proceeded forward with a mind of its own. The door in > front of us swung open and we were treated to a > dazzling assortment of ghoulish scenes and dozens of > animatronic figures. We were also overwhelmed with > hundreds of flashing targets. Many didn't seem to > correspond to anything. We certainly couldn't miss > seeing them: the targets sported a red and white > bullseye pattern and had flashing blue lights. I found > them very distracting. Actually, the whole idea of > shooting targets was distracting; I didn't have any > time to take in the many elaborate stunts. The woman > behind us at one point shouted, "Hit the birthday > cake!" Karen did and a skeleton popped out of the top. > > I saw another car pass by perpendicular to us, and > that completely puzzled me. Cars normally don't cross > paths in a dark ride. At the place where I saw the car > pass, our car veered to the right and came to a dead > end. The car stopped. There was an array of targets in > front of us, so we kept shooting. Suddenly our car > backed up and turned ninety degrees to the left, then > continued down the path I saw the other car take. That > amazed me. The ride was much longer than I expected. > When we arrived back at the station, I hadn't scored > that much and neither had Karen. I couldn't figure out > how to aim the oddly-shaped "gun" (which looked more > like a black pear on a fat stick). The woman behind us > did quite well, though. > > Overall, I think Kennywood did the right thing. The > ride exterior was beautifully integrated with the > surroundings. The area looked better than it had with > the Gold Rusher. The ride itself was a technological > tour-de-force. Time will tell how reliable those > trackless cars will be. But it certainly was > impressive. And the interior scenes (those I was able > to spy when I wasn't frantically shooting) were > extremely well-done. The only thing that bothered me > were those ugly targets. I wish they had found a less > obtrusive way to indicate shootable areas. Unlike > Ghost Hunt, where the targets were usually integrated > with the characters and scenery, the targets on > Ghostwood Estates seemed almost like an afterthought. > And they didn't seem to trigger very easily. I would > have liked to have just ridden through and not shoot > anything. But then, most of the stunts wouldn't have > functioned (since direct hits triggered the actions). > > We left Ghostwood Estates. The park had officially > opened. Karen paused for a picture at the nearby > Thunderbolt sign. The air had begun warming up, so we > went back to our locker to stow our sweatshirts. On > the way we passed by the old and rare Kangaroo ride, > which sort of simulated driving off a cliff over and > over again. A four-piece street band was performing in > front of the locker building. Perhaps because the > park's season had just begun, they seemed a bit > hesitant and uncomfortable. We climbed the stairs and > went to our locker. We were suprised to discover that > once we opened the locker, that was then end of our > dollar. Each time we took anything our or wanted to > put something else in, it would cost another dollar. > But we bit the bullet and paid. > > It was almost noon and we were a bit hungry, so we > headed to the Parkside Cafe. The menu there gave us > vegetarians plenty of options. We both opted for the > tuna sandwich. It was on a thick sort of panini bread. > We sat out on the porch and ate. Unfortunately, the > panini was quite dry. Otherwise it was okay. We could > hear the happy sounds of the band organ from the > nearby carousel. It contrasted with the grumpy cashier > inside the cafe. We then walked back toward the park > entrance. Garfield's Nightmare (formerly Kennywood's > old mill ride) had a long line, so we passed on that > and instead queued up for the Turnpike. I liked how > the old jalopies made a clattering sound as they ran > through their course. The cars required nothing from > the riders; they were completely automatic -- no gas > pedal and not much steering either. But the ride was > peaceful, picturesque and long (over four minutes). > > We headed for the Raging Rapids. Along the way were > more nicely landscaped displays. We also passed by > "The Lumberjack Show," a large area near the center of > the park with bleachers and lots of wood. We never did > see the show. I assume it was a woodcutting > demonstration. The Rapids didn't have much of a line. > The first time I rode it (back in 1991), the water was > a distressingly dark green color and stunk. This year > the water was crystal clear. There really wasn't much > to the ride itself. The troughs were rather mild. But > it did have a couple of drenching waterfalls. I've > never been a fan of those type of rapids rides, where > it's essentially a crap shoot as to who gets wet. On > Thunder Rapids at Lake Compounce, everybody got wet > because of the well-designed trough. Here it all > depended on whether you were in just the right > position going through the waterfall. We rode with > four children. The ride was pleasant, like a fast > flume. There were numerous lookout stations along the > course. As luck would have it, the kids got drenched > under the waterfall. Karen and I got mildly wet in > comparison. That was fine with us. > > To dry off, we stood in the sunny line for the > Thunderbolt. In front of us was the towering second > hill of the Phantom's Revenge. The loud clacking of > that coaster's lift hill could be heard all around the > park (as could the whooshing of air from the nearby > Swingshot). The two coasters intertwined, traversing > the same ravine. The Thunderbolt crew added another > train while we waited, and that sped things up > considerably. It was fun to watch the trains circle > around us. And I was glad to see that Kennywood still > had those wonderful National Amusement Device trains. > Next door to the station, the classic Turtle ride (one > of the few remaining) was in full swing. It wasn't as > punchy as Whalom Park's used to be, but it was still > fun. I wondered why companies haven't built new > versions of them. > > We finally boarded the front seat, and off we went > down that first drop out of the station, across the > ravine with a pop of airtime, around the corner and > then up the lift. What followed next was what the > Thunderbolt was all about: we flew through the double > helix and were crushed over to the left side of the > train. Those were some of the most intense lateral > forces on any coaster. Then we hopped back down the > ravine, turned and jumped back down and up the hill > and hit the brakes. The Thunderbolt, like the Jack > Rabbit, was another classic Kennywood ride that didn't > thrill or terrify but instead brought a smile to my > face, as it has every time I've ridden it. It was just > plain fun. > > We knew the source of the delightful smell coming from > the building next to the Thunderbolt. Karen couldn't > resist some of Kennywood's delicious Potato Patch > french fries. While she waited for her treat, I walked > to the opposite side of the midway for one of my > all-time favorite walk-thru fun houses, Noah's Ark. > This ride was another demonstration of Kennywood's > commitment to their heritage. The fun house had been > modified numerous times over the years, but the > essense of it always remained. And the park recently > spent an enormous amount of money overhauling it, to > make sure it continued enthralling new generations of > guests. As with Ghostwood Estates, groups of people > were let in at once. There were lots of ingenious > stunts, like the transparent floor looking down onto > corpses below. But the hallmark of the ride was the > gigantic rocking ark itself. It, combined with all > sorts of tilted floors, created one of the most > disorienting experiences I've ever encountered. That > strange drunken sensation stayed with me for quite a > while after I had left the ride. > > I met back up with Karen, who was still in line for > her fries. In fact, the Potato Patch had four long > continuous lines all day. The park was rapidly filling > up. Some areas were getting so congested that people > were shoulder-to-shoulder. Next to the Potato Patch > was the colorful corn dog stand, which looked like a > giant birthday cake. (Alas, no cheese-on-a-stick!) It > was then about 2:00, so we headed over to Pavilion 13 > for our free all-you-can-eat buffet. Mary Lou > Rosemeyer, Kennywood's media representative, was > there. She talked about the park and handed out some > door prizes by asking questions of the group. ("Who > here has traveled the farthest?") The meal was quite > good: cole slaw, rolls and some tasty pasta with > marinara sauce. > > The Log Jammer flume ride, with its unique bunny hop > near the end of the ride, was next to us. Karen didn't > feel like getting wet again, so we passed on that. We > were going to take a spin on the paddle boats, but the > pond was too crowded. So we walked toward the Lost > Kennywood section of the park. We passed by the > whimsically landscaped Pirate ride. I stopped at the > Big Dipper ice cream stand and got some really tasted > Blueberry Cheesecake ice cream. Then we entered the > Lost Kennywood area, which was almost like a different > park. The Pittsburg Plunge shoot-the-chutes ride was > sending out a huge splash into its long pool. The > sound of the many large fountains made it seem like we > were standing at the edge of a dam. Phantom's Revenge > was roaring by. Karen decided to pass on it, choosing > to spend time relaxing by the water and visiting the > gift shop. But I got in line and encountered the same > coaster enthusiast I rode Ravine Flyer II with on the > previous day. Phantom was running two trains, and the > line moved fairly quickly. While waiting we were > afforded some great views of the layout, including the > huge sweeping turnaround, the curve around the Turtle > and the hidden bunny hops back to the station. In a > few minutes we were in the front seat and rolling up > the noisy lift. We had a long look at the vast parking > areas across the street. Then the track dipped and > turned 180 degrees right and we were flying down. We > zipped across the long flat run and zoomed up the > second hill which curved slightly to the right. Then > came the 230-foot plunge off the cliff and through the > structure of the Thunderbolt. The ride was very smooth > and extremely fast. We flew through the big arching > turn, the short tunnel and then I braced myself for > the high-speed bunny hops back to the station. It was > like riding a bucking bronco, with severe jolts of > airtime the whole way. Like all of Kennywood's > coasters, it was short but sweet. There was a lot of > action packed into a relatively small area. > > I met up with Karen near the ride's exit. We headed > over to the gift shop. On our previous visit, she had > gotten a really nice straw hat there (which got ruined > in a thunderstorm at Cedar Point). But unfortunately > that style of hat was now nowhere to be found in the > park. They did have a nice collection of art prints, > though, plus the usual assortment of magnets and pins. > We purchased a few items. I asked about a print of > Noah's Ark. The attendant said they'd have to get one > from the stock room. So we said we'd come back. > > We were going to take another ride on Ghostwood > Estates, but the queue line was completely filled. So > instead we walked over to the Olde Kennywood Railroad, > which sported a terrific art deco engine. The entrance > was next to another historic display, the Laughing Sal > figure which used to becon guests into one of > Kennywood's many fun houses long ago. The railroad > traveled along the edge of the park's cliffside. It > normally featured narration, but this time the ride > was taken in silence. It was peaceful and relaxing. As > we passed by some of the statues of figures from > Pittsburgh's past, I heard some riders wonder aloud > who they were. Perhaps the park could add plaques > beside the dioramas for the times when the sound isn't > working. > > We then lined up for the Traver-builtAuto Race, the > last ride of its kind in existence. I took the front > seat and Karen took the back. I'm still amazed how > fast the cars travel through the wooden trough. It's > another one of those Kennywood rides that left us > smiling. > > We then strolled through the colorful Kiddieland, one > of the largest areas just for kids that I've ever seen > in a park. The drop tower there, Bounce Bounce, > illustrated how Kennywood truly was a family park: > there were not only kids but also a mother, father and > a grandmother all on the ride together. I wistfully > gazed at the kiddie coaster, Lil' Phantom, which was > nearly identical to the old Schiff kiddie coaster I > used to operate at Mountain Park. > > We were running out of steam and had another early > morning the next day. Karen really wanted to see the > park's spectacular display of neon lighting. So as > night gradually encroached, we walked back toward the > Lost Kennywood section. On the way, we stopped to > watch a juggler perform on a unicycle. He was sort of > the Don Rickles of acrobats, throwing out sarcastic > comments to the audience as he went through his > routines. We walked into the Lost Kennywood gift shop. > I picked up the print of Noah's Ark. We went back out > onto the midway. The Pittsburg Plunge had been shut > down. Even though darkness was falling, none of the > lights were coming on. We stopped to ask a security > guard about that. He seemed puzzled, saying that the > lights should already have come on. We played a nearby > water gun game, and I won a little stuffed penguin for > Karen. Gradually, the lights popped on. We walked up > onto the bridge overlooking the giant pool and stared > out at the fountains. Normally at night, the fountains > continually changed color. But it wasn't dark enough > to notice at that point. As we left Lost Kennywood, > Karen pointed out that the "Goodnight" heart was > missing from the exit. > > A few neon lights were shining. The Phantom's Revenge > was silhouetted against the setting sun. The midway > was finally coming to life. Cosmic Chaos was thrilling > its riders. The Jack Rabbit was glowing with its neon > stars. We finally were witnessing that art deco > wonderland that we remembered and loved. We stopped at > our locker to collect our stuff and then headed for > the exit. And there, above the tunnel, hung the > "Goodnight" heart that Karen had spoken of. > > It was a testament to Kennywood that Karen and I > really didn't do all that much during the day. We > didn't go on very many rides. We didn't rush around to > try to cover every area of the park. We didn't have > to. We just relaxed and soaked up the ambiance of the > park. And we once again had a good time. To me, this > was the perfect kind of amusement park, one that let > us forget the cares of the day and simply be delighted > by the sights, sounds and smells around us. I hoped > Parques Reunidos understood this, and would allow this > beautiful place to continue to make wonderful memories > for generations to come. > > Jay > > From coastermanokc@cox.net Mon Jun 02 19:00:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5192 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 02:00:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 02:00:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao104.cox.net) (68.230.240.46) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 02:00:51 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080603020052.DGTI7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:00:52 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.95.62]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id ZE0q1Z0081LkdGs02E0qSj; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:00:50 -0400 To: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:00:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: AcjFHaU6vUU6rpaAQf+K/eLDrpQ6lw== Message-Id: <20080603020052.DGTI7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: New Jersey trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=PaiEwjX84ViTK0My_-cFfDCoJfDvdzhJb3UyFJxYKh-MJKHgDvSp3g X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Next Monday (June 9) I am going to Hersheypark. Also on Friday June 13 (My birthday) I am going to go to SFGAdv. If you are interested in meeting me or have advice on the parks ( I have not been to either park in several years) please feel free to email me. Thank you in advance, Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Tue Jun 03 03:39:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45965 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 10:39:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 10:39:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.80) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 10:39:49 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZN4A1Z0051HzFnQ5803J00; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:39:49 +0000 X-Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([24.34.179.34]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZNfo1Z0090kvCWG3aNfoPo; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:39:49 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bjCZ8YFDXscA:10 a=bw2CmyXhlzsA:10 a=4fUXJndvAAAA:8 a=k0F5HBlTaYJ0f4JsNqkA:9 a=iYlPNJeFY3TMjgFgRm33e5ZYscYA:4 a=wuCoRQ6Sv2IA:10 a=HMmPKh5NLbsA:10 Message-Id: <9822C2E1-46EC-448C-8724-32067FB89F6D@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:39:49 -0400 References: <1212463973.2617.18124.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 2966 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=N_5Xza4HE47iLdbTbGaMmQC986r6FeySjrv0S1Ts8b0XeXC4LJTngA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam George wrote: > > If you haven't seen it yet, they've released the reports on the drop > tower incident at SFKK, and it's not good news for the park. I've got a post about it here: http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/tortsprof/2008/05/kentucky-agricu.html It includes a link to the report on the Kentucky regulators' website so you don't have to give traffic to the amusementsafety.org people. > > From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 10:56:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50862 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 17:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 17:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 17:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2008 17:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2008 17:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2008 17:56:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:56:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Coaster Grotto website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=Bm7uJY_IVc5o0HOO8q1IshH8t1PScIGp5OQG8SYPIyPXj3l_2Nyvedk X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Hey does anyone know what happened to the website coastergrotto? I=20 can't seem to find it and I love how you can keep track of your=20 coasters on there so I'm hoping it's not just extinct! Thanks=20 Matt From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jun 03 13:30:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78344 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 20:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 20:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.231) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 20:30:16 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so610484wra.7 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.119.17 with SMTP id r17mr5681555anc.7.1212525016614; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30806031330o7556cfe4v832880b380519d66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:30:16 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Grotto website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Xtwrt-T_AF65eWqmE9RTX99OwtCQz6qJyajTYFYuBtGJhYdP X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Not familiar with that site specifically, but there are several sites where you can track your count online if that's what you're looking to do. Something else to note though, there may still be some sites down around the web on account of a sizable data center fire over the weekend that took down about 9000 servers Saturday night. http://www.information-age.com/home/information-age-today/335361/data-centre-fire-takes-down-700000-websites.thtml On 6/3/08, Matt wrote: > Hey does anyone know what happened to the website coastergrotto? I > can't seem to find it and I love how you can keep track of your > coasters on there so I'm hoping it's not just extinct! > Thanks > Matt > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 16:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46087 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 23:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 23:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 23:36:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84690 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2008 23:36:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1l2fvocVM1lSjzbn6jXaN_baogb73AsbQskhre.AlYHilQek5vdXXWmlFUx4qDEK5vXK2R2YK4o3twzccO7XzfG9hqPiyvNzu3iHwA-- X-Received: from [71.127.4.222] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:36:56 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:36:56 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1212463973.2617.18124.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <733190.84627.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: Kennywood, May 25, 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=i-N5kphUbla8_s69-wyLe4AEV35vspuYZ9KJoUvrxsynC4AkUm3l X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > your trip report helped me to remember what I loved about Kennywood, and your eloquence made me feel like I was going through the day with you. So thanks again for the report. I know yours don't usually get many replies, but if you keep writing them, I'll keep reading. < Thanks for your kind words, Mike. I'm glad it brought back fond memories. I used to take lots of videos of the parks we went to. I'm discovering that taking videos really was killing my enjoyment of the parks. I was frantically trying to record every inch of every midway and every coaster. In the process, I didn't really experience the parks. My trip reports usually came out pretty sketchy. The past few years, I've been just taking my sub-compact still camera. I'm finding that I'm enjoying the parks a lot more. I'm also composing my shots more carefully (which in turn helps me appreciate the beauty of the park more). It also serves as a sort of visual bookmark of what we did and that helps me write. One more big report coming! Hopefully it'll be finished by this weekend. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 16:45:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98776 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 23:45:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 23:45:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 23:45:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81845 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2008 23:45:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YM.Cg6IVM1l9Qhv2YSonkj7mMt86mNhY6LHR_bGKNvbP7IXtU4iFSgMTA2KUnO4kO6oCIkhE07F7JOiAs2ASjqAdZpoMoLFl4Jwzaw-- X-Received: from [71.127.4.222] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:45:32 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:45:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1212463973.2617.18124.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <191543.80278.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: TR: Waldameer Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=03ANCbq3D_aCl5lTCri7m8KxkuizoTlgW28iR9WOVR_MP3gmp3W2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Are they design or building issues, or was Kemah just not up to taking care of a wooden coaster? < I suspect that might be it, but I don't know. I looked closely at the track work on RFII, and the laminations were butt together really tightly. (Compare that to the original tracking on Boulder Dash, where gaps of two inches weren't uncommon.) The track is severely banked, and the Erie winters can be pretty harsh. So I hope the track holds up. > One quick correction, the spinning coaster was actually a Maurer, not a Gerstlauer. < Thanks, Adam! You da man! I've corrected my oversight. (I should have simply checked on RCDB but I was lazy.) Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jun 03 17:39:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61375 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 00:39:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 00:39:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.170) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 00:39:18 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1496361wfg.30 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:39:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.136.16 with SMTP id j16mr2365762wfd.292.1212539958535; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:39:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.101.5 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0806031739g5cda00bdg7b2dafd692ada7f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:39:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <733190.84627.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1212463973.2617.18124.m45@yahoogroups.com> <733190.84627.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Kennywood, May 25, 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ZSpdPski3jKm3sEN7NYTSMao6TY1vT5tCZTsS_K8cWUCS7WTUg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny thing is, I read your TR while sitting and eating lunch at Kennywood yesterday. :) Took a couple of spins on Ghostwood Estates, and I was rather disappointed. Not by the ride itself, mind you, but by the sheer fact that I missed it every time, because I was so concentrated on hitting the targets. I honestly don't remember much of the scenery. I do like, however, that you set off stunts, and the ride is one giant shooting gallery. Definitely a worthwhile investment on their part. If anyone would like to see pictures of the day (and night), please let me know. I finally got a chance to use my new XSi and get some great shots. -Josh On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > your trip report helped me to remember what I loved > about > Kennywood, and your eloquence made me feel like I was > going through > the day with you. So thanks again for the report. I > know yours don't usually get many replies, but if you > keep writing them, I'll keep reading. < > > Thanks for your kind words, Mike. I'm glad it brought > back fond memories. I used to take lots of videos of > the parks we went to. I'm discovering that taking > videos really was killing my enjoyment of the parks. > I was frantically trying to record every inch of every > midway and every coaster. In the process, I didn't > really experience the parks. My trip reports usually > came out pretty sketchy. > > The past few years, I've been just taking my > sub-compact still camera. I'm finding that I'm > enjoying the parks a lot more. I'm also composing my > shots more carefully (which in turn helps me > appreciate the beauty of the park more). It also > serves as a sort of visual bookmark of what we did and > that helps me write. > > One more big report coming! Hopefully it'll be > finished by this weekend. > > Jay > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jun 03 17:42:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23323 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 00:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 00:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 00:42:09 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l9so1847576rvb.1 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:42:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.140.15 with SMTP id n15mr167216wfd.32.1212540129222; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:42:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.101.5 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0806031742n696d16c2y846d1ab86c185556@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:42:09 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <191543.80278.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1212463973.2617.18124.m45@yahoogroups.com> <191543.80278.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Waldameer Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=NBWbJvAFpnS_PfZrqMRBlfvbUxH3OKn3nXRO77HhoArshzOj9w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding of Kemah, is that there were some last minute design changes made to the ride, that kind of half-forced everything into a smaller space than originally planned. Some have said that its seaside location is the cause of the troubles, but to that I ask - "what about all of the others that have sat alongside the ocean for many, many years?". I don't know what's going on with that, but it's a shame, because it looked like it was going to be so promising. Josh On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Are they design or building issues, or was Kemah > just not up to taking care of a wooden coaster? < > > I suspect that might be it, but I don't know. I > looked closely at the track work on RFII, and the > laminations were butt together really tightly. > (Compare that to the original tracking on Boulder > Dash, where gaps of two inches weren't uncommon.) The > track is severely banked, and the Erie winters can be > pretty harsh. So I hope the track holds up. > > > One quick correction, the spinning coaster was > actually a Maurer, not > a Gerstlauer. < > > Thanks, Adam! You da man! I've corrected my > oversight. (I should have simply checked on RCDB but > I was lazy.) > > Jay > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 17:42:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77604 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 00:42:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:42:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080603020052.DGTI7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: New Jersey trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=eshhw-jvZ5owF1tHOye8WN0F_AZgOApxVM_ROvOv-lHuEyq5zTNE X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lopez"=20 wrote: > > Next Monday (June 9) I am going to Hersheypark. Also on Friday June=20 13 (My > birthday) I am going to go to SFGAdv. If you are interested in=20 meeting me or > have advice on the parks ( I have not been to either park in=20 several years) > please feel free to email me.=20 >=20 > Thank you in advance, >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Michael Lopez First, Happy Birthday in advance to one of the many Mikes on here! In those "several years," have KK and Toro been built? I'm gonna=20 assume so..if you've been on them already, well...GA can be tough on=20 a Friday..many schools are out, plus for the ones that ARE still in=20 session, there's class trips(ah, thirty-year-old memories!) I don't=20 use the Flash Pass, and dunno a lot about how it works, but if it'll=20 be your only visit for awhile, it's probably worth getting. KK and=20 Toro are near one another, but Toro loads a little faster..not saying=20 much, I know. If KK's running do that once at opening if you're=20 there early. Then get a couple rides on Toro before the line grows.=20 Ride Rolling Thunder and Medusa in the same area, and take the=20 skyride to Nitro, Batman, and TDK. Superman will have a long line,=20 but maybe you've been on one of the clones...I'm not sure where=20 you're from. Since you've been there before, you'll know what else=20 you may wanna do. With the removal of some flats, the lines will be=20 exponentially longer at the majors. Toro about 45 minutes before=20 closing is a good bet for re-riding, and the attendants often allow=20 the passengers on the last 5-6 circuits to stay on. I'm going next=20 Sunday, the 8th, if health permits. It'll be an unusual day for me,=20 though. I'm mainly going to see BLONDIE! So I figure I'll get B:TDK=20 early, a few rides on Toro(still my favorite ride) and then just=20 kinda float around the rest of the day until they open the general=20 admission arena for the concert. I'll get a spot as close to Debbie=20 as I can and I'll be happy as the proverbial clam! Have fun, Mike! Another Mike=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 19:03:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12744 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.28.52.2 From: "Matt" Subject: Coaster websites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=xkXI3NvpUn7gEX_wVqiePdeyZJIOnlLUAHXGtAF-qEQ2O9hFRZ9jJdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Hey thanks for the info Beth. I bet that fire has something to do with=20 why I can't find it because it is a UK site. How in the heck do you=20 find out something like that? I had to laugh because I wasn't=20 expecting such a thorough answer!! Anyway, so what are some other cool=20 websites? I just like that one because it has members rankings which=20 is cool and it keeps track of different things besides coaster count.=20=20 I know about theme park critic too and I like that one also. So what=20 are some other cool ones?=20=20 From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jun 03 19:07:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16263 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 02:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 02:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 02:07:43 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so476356ana.41 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.213.4 with SMTP id l4mr18839354ang.151.1212545262557; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30806031907v3b32a4e5jcec12e9fbab2289e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:07:42 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster websites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=KTOQ2f2s7rR4k1Of-0UFy98iK8AhJWkqprToy2C0rmkWwyYh X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I participate in a proboards.com board and they've been offline for a couple days because of it. Other sites for counting coasters.... The three that seem the most thorough for track records that I know of are: coastercounter.com coastermedia.com and coasterfanatics.com On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Matt wrote: > Hey thanks for the info Beth. I bet that fire has something to do with > why I can't find it because it is a UK site. How in the heck do you > find out something like that? I had to laugh because I wasn't > expecting such a thorough answer!! Anyway, so what are some other cool > websites? I just like that one because it has members rankings which > is cool and it keeps track of different things besides coaster count. > I know about theme park critic too and I like that one also. So what > are some other cool ones? > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! 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Groups Links > > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 19:21:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75952 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 02:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 02:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.102) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 02:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:21:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:21:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0806020746m7a7edbb4m7706c9f51fbe30c2@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.17 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Kemah X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=TUhi6Nf2qoQs2X3N5bZIBsl1pSBI6vcixL3dhdSkaWy694Z8fA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy"=20 wrote: > Hopefully it will hold up better > than the Kemah coaster. Does anyone know what the issues with the > Kemah ride have been? Are they design or building issues, or was > Kemah just not up to taking care of a wooden coaster? >=20 >=20 > Adam I just rode Boardwalk Bullet for the first time on Memorial Day.=20 IMHO, the ride is tearing itself apart because it's just too intense.=20 It takes every turn too fast, has insane transitions, and even though=20 it's using 2-bench PTC's, it desperately needs a train with a shorter=20 wheelbase, whether they can get Millenium Flyers or even the new=20 single bench PTCs.=20 I don't mind a rough woodie, but BB really was beyond my threshold=20 for being tossed around like a rag doll. (I liked it at the front of=20 the train, but I will never sit behind row three again.) Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 19:51:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51969 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 02:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 02:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 02:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2008 02:51:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:51:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30806031907v3b32a4e5jcec12e9fbab2289e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.17 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Coaster websites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=xY-nEFuKM8s1YE3X986z2LF8DGRYppQVDwy__R4gd1ujDP2GXw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I used to use 2 of the three you mentioned, Beth, but Duane pointed=20 me at one that eclipses every counter site out there. It's run by the=20 coasters.de guys, and is the first website ever to be granted=20 permission to hotlink into the RCDB.=20 Here's the link:=20 http://www.coaster-count.com/world.xhtml It is fairly large, but there's a mobile version of the site at: http://coaster-count.mobi/login.php You do have to set up your account first before using the mobile=20 version, though. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson"=20 wrote: > > I participate in a proboards.com board and they've been offline for=20 a > couple days because of it. >=20 > Other sites for counting coasters.... The three that seem the most > thorough for track records that I know of are: >=20 > coastercounter.com > coastermedia.com > and coasterfanatics.com >=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 06:42:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44284 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 13:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 13:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 13:42:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88905 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2008 13:42:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LfCXtLwVM1mvK1z4e4gwR.N3wWt6v2FSci7_GQrj X-Received: from [71.127.4.222] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:42:10 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:42:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <889560.87928.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: TR: Idlewild Park, May 26 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=HUyKwus3Z-fjeseHGvcBen4q6x9-qvjyJXl1yYvUXyrE0F9DPy5b X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's the final Coasterfest trip report. For the pictures that go along with the article, go here: === The final stop on our Coasterfest trip was Idlewild Park in Ligonier, Pennsylvania. The park was owned by the Kennywood group, and it exhibited many of the same qualities that have made Kennywood so beloved. The park was easy to get to, straight along Route 30. There were threats of severe thunderstorms in the weather forecast, but the day was starting out warm and sunny. We pulled into the first entrance that we came to. (There were multiple parking areas.) It was parking area A. We told the one attendant at the gates that we were with the Western New York Coaster Club, but he didn't know anything about it. (We later discovered that the park had just opened for the season three days before.) There were a lot of cars already there. A benefit marathon was in progress, as was a civil war re-enactment. We drove in (without having to pay anything) and parked by the long train tunnel on the left. I had been to Idlewild with a friend in 1991. But it was an afterthought. We were at Kennywood and made a side-trip to Idlewild at night, just a few hours before it closed. Karen, the kids and I visited the park several years later. But it was again a brief evening stop on our way to Ohio. Even so, in that short time we had so much fun that Karen and I vowed to return for a longer stay. One thing that stood out for us was that the park had the most outgoing and friendly employees we had ever encountered, including one (our guide through the park's notorious Confusion Hill) who was downright hilarious. This year was the 70th birthday of the park's wooden roller coaster, named simply Rollo Coaster. Though I hadn't gotten many rides on it, I remembered that it was fun. The entrance reminded me of another of our favorite parks, Knoebel's, with numerous parking areas skattered about, a picturesque creek (the Loyalhanna) running through it and no clear entrance area. We could walk into the heavily wooded park from just about any direction. Idlewild was divided into seven areas that all blended together. Some had more theming than others. From where we were, much of the park was behind a tall wooded fence with one open gate at the far left end and another near the center of the parking area. There were no traditional ticket booths or formal entry gates. Karen and I stood around for a while, uncertain where to go or what to do. We didn't see any other members from the club. After several minutes, we spotted some members getting out of their car. They weren't quite sure what to do either. Someone finally discovered that we were supposed to have met in parking area C, near the Rollo Coaster. So we followed our map and walked toward picnic pavilion C8. The park hadn't opened for the public, but there were many people milling about in civil war garb. The path toward the pavilion was blocked off with caution tape. Some nearby park supervisors told us to simply walk on through. The scent of a campfire filled the air as we walked. There were several tents pitched on the grass. It looked just like a photo from the civil war. Women in dresses were preparing meals. Men in high boots and sporting thick beards sat around on old wooden chairs. A blacksmith was heating up some coals next to an anvil. The picnic pavilion was a beautiful stone and wood structure beside a babbling brook. Birds were flitting about. Next to our pavilion was another that was made entirely out of hewn logs. They were constructed in 1999, but looked brand new. High on a hill next to us, partially hidden by trees, was another picnic pavilion, a huge ancient white building (one of the oldest in the park) that used to be a dance hall. Lining the walkways were attractive rustic streetlamps. The surroundings made us feel relaxed. The ambience was less like an amusement park and more like a campground. There were free drinks set up for us, so we filled our cups as more club members drifted over. About 9:45, the park's supervisor of merchandise arrived and expressed his sincere apology that the Wild Mouse wasn't running. They were still awaiting parts for the ride. He said to make up for that fact, the whole day was on Idlewild; we didn't have to pay for our wristbands. I thought that was extremely generous of the park, considering that Idlewild wasn't a "ride" park in the style of Cedar Point or Six Flags. At the ride-heavy parks, a lot of enthusiasts go simply to ride the biggest and fastest coasters, and if the rides go down then it sort of ruins the day for them. But Idlewild's Wild Mouse wasn't a ride that coaster enthusiasts flocked to. And neither was Rollo Coaster. Like Kennywood and Knoebel's, it was the entire park experience that made the place enjoyable. So refunding our entry fees simply because one of their rides was down seemed excessive. But it also displayed the friendly outgoing nature of the park and its employees. We were walked back to the Rollo Coaster for some "Exclusive Ride Time." The supervisor was continually apologetic about the Wild Mouse being down. I actually had been looking forward to riding it. I had ridden it once before with Karen and the kids. It was the most unique Mouse I ever rode. What I remembered most was the wonderfully demented lift hill that tilted from side to side as the car was pulled to the top. As we walked over for our ERT, the park was extremely quiet. About the only sound came from a large circular fountain in front of an ice cream stand. The Rollo Coaster station was simplicity itself and fit in well at the park. The name of the coaster was painted directly onto the station in a thick curled font. Just outside the station was a giant inflatable birthday cake commemorating the ride. The coaster was designed by one of my heroes, Herb Schmeck, who was the president of the Philadelphia Toboggan Company and one of the most prolific coaster designers of all time. The ride was situated along a narrow curving hillside and it was a remarkable piece of engineering. At only 27 feet high, the ride might be easily dismissed as a kiddie coaster. But Schmeck ingeniously used the landscape to his advantage, creating a punchy ride with pops of airtime and strong laterals throughout the entire course. The structure was surrounded by thick trees, making the ride seem faster than it was. One club member mused aloud whether Lake Compounce had gotten their inspiration for Boulder Dash from Rollo Coaster. And indeed there were many similarities. There were even stretches of track on Rollo Coaster that looked nearly identical to Boulder Dash. The main difference was scale. The small station didn't allow us to choose a seat. Karen and I ended up in the second seat. The train was still braked and dispatched manually with wooden levers. Since the hillside curved off to the right, none of the coaster was visible from the station. The small but comfortable train rolled around 180 degrees to the left and climbed the short lift. As we crested the hill, the drop just didn't seem right. It was so short (especially having ridden Phantom's Revenge at Kennywood the previous day). It only looked to be a few feet down. But that was part of Herb Schmeck's genius. We gently rolled down the first drop and curved to the right as we popped out of our seats and slid to the left. This pattern kept up as we gained speed, bouncing up and down over the little hills and curving to the right. Like a baby Boulder Dash, the turnaround slung us to the right. We caught a glimpse of the Captain Kidd's Adventure Galley water play area and then we bounced all the way back to the station. The coaster wasn't thrilling the way that a 200-foot-tall coaster would be. Instead it was just plain fun. As the supervisor told us, "We don't have the biggest or tallest anything here." Record breaking doesn't matter as long as a ride can produce smiles. A different supervisor was standing nearby, and I asked him if it would be possible to get some photos of the idle Mouse. He was happy to take me over to the area. The ride stood silent, shrouded by tall trees. The trees made the ride seem much taller than it was. The supervisor told me that the coaster was purchased from Alton Towers in the United Kingdom (which had in turn purchased it from a park in Austria). It was one of the few Wild Mouse coasters designed by the great Werner Stengel and manufactured by the Dutch company Vekoma. Besides the oddly-tilted lift hill, another thing that made the ride unique was the long nose on the front of each car. On sharp corners, it created the perception that the car was going straight off the track. We thanked the supervisor for allowing us in there and headed back to the group. On the way we passed by the Flying Aces ride, which was still in the process of being re-assembled for the season. The line for Rollo Coaster was quite long, so Karen and I walked across the midway to admire the 1931 PTC carousel. It was the second-to-last carousel that PTC shipped and it bore many similarities to the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round. It even had a similar (and rare) Artizan Factories band organ and stylistically similar interior scenery panels. It was a pleasure to see the ride in such good condition. We wandered back to the pavilion. At 11:00, the club re-grouped and the merchandise supervisor brought out two cakes to celebrate the coaster's birthday. He also talked to us about the park, the third oldest in the United States. I was somewhat saddened that many members of the group were talking amongst themselves and not paying the slightest attention to the supervisor. Idlewild had extended us many courtesies, and it seemed the least we could have done was be polite. The supervisor then had some prizes to give out. He divided the room. A volunteer on our side raised his hand, but no one on the other side apparently wanted to participate. The supervisor asked one of the staff passing out cake to come up. As was done at Kennywood, he asked a series of questions about the park and Rollo Coaster. Another employee wore a hat with a bulb horn on it, and the horn would get squeezed by whomever wanted to answer. Lots of interesting facts were brought out. It was strange that the staff member (who had been there a few years) couldn't answer as many questions as the club member. In the end, the club member won some T-shirts and a bag of Rollos candy. But everyone was given really nice Wild Mouse keychains and Idlewild koozies. The park formally opened to the general public. Karen and I decided to start our visit in Story Book Forest at the east end of the park. On the way, we passed by Jumping Jungle, a busy play area with lots of interesting things for kids to do. There was a small netted arena with air jets that made balls float in the air. There was a large gym-like area with a long net to climb and chutes to slide down. There was the Jungle Organ, a series of large tuned pipes that kids could whack with paddles, producing tones. The great thing about this area was that it wasn't restricted to just kids; parents were playing right alongside their children. The Story Book Forest was one of the most enchanting things I remembered from our last trip. Unlike Charlie Wood's well-known Storyland in New York (now The Great Escape), the Forest wasn't just a collection of static buildings and statues. It was a wooded area covering several acres and populated with actors portraying various characters that kids would know. The actors went out of their way to involve the guests in the stories with them. We entered the area through the gigantic story book. Inside was a little room. An older woman sat there in a white ruffled dress. It was Mother Goose. She welcomed us and invited us in, and told us to enjoy our stay. The first building we encountered was a little red schoolhouse. We walked inside. There was a woman dressed as a school marm. She didn't seem bothered that two grown people had entered, and invited us in. Two small children followed us, and that's when the actress became more animated, asking the children to write their names on the blackboard in chalk. There were already dozens of names there in many different colors. Back outside, Karen paused for a picture with a clown figure holding a bass drum. On the drum was written, "Welcome to Story Book Forest. Here childhood is eternal and imagination is king." We passed a display featuring Little Miss Muffet. It might have been frightening to children if it weren't for the fact that the large spider was wearing comical shoes and white gloves on its many legs. Then we encountered a big empty chair. We stood there puzzled for a minute. I was sure that the last time we were at the park this was where Raggety Ann sat, next to her house, asking us for help finding her brother. But there was no house to be found. Nor was Raggedy Ann. In fact, there seemed to be far fewer characters around than we remembered. Perhaps it was because the park had just opened for the season and school was still in session. The Forest had many winding paths. Although there was a general direction to the overall layout, it gave families plenty of freedom to explore. We next encountered the Crooked Little Man's house. Inside were crooked furnishings. A bridge led across a brook to the Jolly Miller's, which sold snacks. Up on a hill was a display of the Little Engine That Could. Nearby was the Good Ship Lollipop with a pirate (wearing sunglasses) who looked more like a young business executive. But he was very popular with the kids because he was handing out lollipops. And like a good child, I accepted one. As we walked along the paths, there were humorous signs placed about the lawn asking people to stay off the grass. Nearly every storybook character imaginable was on display, from Goldilocks and the Three Bears to the Old Woman in a Shoe. Karen got to meet Geppetto and I unsuccessfully tried to pull Excalibur from its stone. There were also several old displays from the original version of the Story Book Forest, preserved with plaques identifying them. There was a petting zoo of sorts with the Three Billy Goats Gruff and the Three Little Pigs. (Why are they always in threes?) And we finally met up with Raggety Ann, who had been re-located but was still looking for her brother. Red Riding Hood was wandering around looking for her grandmother. We found Hood's house, but her grandmother didn't look so good.... One of Karen's favorite displays was of the gnomes playing in the forest. They looked so peaceful and happy off in the distance, like hobbits in the Shire. Everywhere we looked there was color and beautiful landscaping. Just before the exit was a gigantic jack-in-the-box, smiling in a part-silly/part-scary way. Then we exited through the gift shop, somewhat sad that we were leaving. The store had some beautiful ornaments, with various images from the Story Book Forest. We bought a few, put them in our car and then continued exploring the rest of the park. The next stretch of midway (past the Jumping Jungle) was themed to a boomtown and was called Hootin' Holler. There was the Mineshaft Kitchen, a large eatery. It was followed by many shops and a few well-disguised rides. One was the aforementioned Confusion Hill, a tilty room with a detailed backstory. It was a fairly long walk-thru "ride" and Karen got really dizzy in it, so we passed this time. Another ride that blended in with the surroundings was Dizzy Lizzy's, which created the sensation of spinning upside-down in a small room. It was one of the most successful implemetations of that popular illusion. The whole area felt like it had been there a hundred years, with well-integrated thematic elements. Every building looked authentic and was shaded by trees and fronted by flowers. At the Gazebo Stage, a country band was entertaining the crowd. Nearby was a nicely-themed funnel cake stand. A treat there called Apple Fries caught my eye. We stopped in and I ordered some. It basically consisted of sliced apples briefly deep-fried with no coating on them. Then the apple slices were rolled in cinnamon and sugar and topped with ice cream and whipped cream. Karen and I sat at a table, eating and listening to the band. The Apple Fries were really tasty, juicy and not at all greasy. I'd never eaten anything like it before. After that we walked past a quaint miniature golf course and headed across the long bridge to Raccoon Lagoon. This was almost like a completely different park. There were about a dozen old-style kiddie rides dotting a heavily forested area. Also in this area was the unique MisterRogers' Neighborhood trolley. As we crossed the bridge, Karen saw a sign for the civil war group. They were giving a demonstration in the baseball field at that moment. So Karen and I made our way through the kiddie rides to the ballfield at the far end. There were several bleachers for spectators. On the huge lawn was an older man with a confederate cap, anachronistically holding a wireless microphone while standing next to an old cannon. He was giving a history lesson on the civil war, focusing on the achievements of the confederate forces. He said the men would be giving an artillery demonstration. Karen noticed several soldiers putting cotton in their ears. So she figured we might not want to remain so close. We walked back into the Raccoon Lagoon section, periodically hearing the thunderous boom of the cannon and the pops of musket fire. Though the rides in this area were obviously old, they were very well cared-for. There were not only antique cars for the kids, but also a set of hot rod cars called Ricky's Racers (named after the park mascot, Ricky Raccoon). There were kiddie hand cars, plus something I've never seen at any other park: adult hand cars! This was one of my favorite rides when I was a kid at Mountain Park. At Idlewild I was able to relive my childhood. Naturally, I had to take a ride! Karen hopped on one too. It was a really good upper-arm workout. There were many other classic rides. The little circular boat ride was positioned just behind a gigantic fountain in the middle of Raccoon Lagoon. The Doodlebug was a little electric trolley that ran in a circle. There was also a small hedge maze. But the big attraction in this area was MisterRogers' Neighborhood of Make Believe. Fred Rogers grew up not far from the park and frequented it as a child. He had approached Kennywood about creating a special ride for Idlewild. Rogers and his company created the storyline for the ride. The trolley that children recognized from the television show would pull up to the station and take passengers on a ride through the Land of Make Believe. The guests were loaded in groups. There was a large waiting area on shaded benches. Signs all around the area quizzed guests on different facts about the Land of Make Believe, in case the guests had never watched MisterRogers' Neighborhood. While we were waiting to board, Ricky Raccoon came by to greet the children there. Within a few minutes, our trolley arrived and we boarded. Each trolley had a conductor who was also a sort of tour guide. On our last visit, our conductor was very high-spirited and funny and that's what made the ride so enjoyable. This time our conductor was friendly, but obviously new and probably a little nervous. But just the same she was very personable. The trolley rolled forward with that tinkling piano line from the television show and entered a short tunnel. We emerged in the Land of Make Believe and encountered life-size mockups of the actual sets. Our first stop was at the castle of King Friday. A curtain opened and a well-done animatronic figure of King Friday emerged. He greeted us. The conductor did most of the scripted repartee for us. The King wanted to invite all of his friends and neighbors (us included) to a "Hug and Song" party. He asked us to find all the people in the neighborhood and invite them. One by one, the trolley brought us to the homes of all the different characters. It was quite magical, with the sets placed deep in the forest and surrounded by trees and plants. Lady Elaine Fairchild showed us some musical instruments she was working on. The shy Daniel Striped Tiger played peek-a-boo with us. At each stop, the conductor would lead us in calling out, "Come along, come along to the castle's Hug and Song!" In the final tableau, everyone had arrived at the castle and King Friday led us all in a song. I had expected the King to then say something like, "All right, now hug the person on your right," which could get very awkward. But to Fred Rogers' credit, what the King said was, "Now hug the person you want to hug." We said our good-byes to the Land of Make Believe and returned to the station. Fred Rogers always had such a gentle way about him, and this ride was a perfect reflection of that. It was also the perfect ride for Idlewild. We stopped off in the nearby gift shop, which had many souvenirs including a colorful trolley magnet. Then we noticed that the Loyalhanna Limited train had stopped nearby. So we hopped aboard. The ride was peaceful, traveling through the dense forest, crossing over the creek and then turning toward Hootin' Holler. We went through a long structure that appeared to have once been a tunnel, but the side toward the creek had been completely removed. It was more like traveling alongside a tall wooden fence with a roof. We disembarked beside a big old rusted steamroller and headed back to our pavilion for some more free drinks. An older woman who wasn't in the WNYCC had set herself up in our pavilion. She made a comment that the rides were no good here, and if we wanted to ride a real coaster we should go to Kennywood. I told her that I really like Rollo Coaster and that Herb Schmeck did and incredible job designing it. But she didn't seem to care. Karen and I headed back down toward Hootin' Holler. The air was hot and muggy, so we lined up for Paul Bunyon's Loggin' Toboggan, which had quite a crowd. We discovered why as we got further into the station. Although attractively landscaped, this was one of the shortest flumes I had ever seen. There was a sort of S-curve out of the station, a 180-degree right-hand turn up to the lift and then a splashdown. Because of its short length, there were only four boats. We finally sat in our "log" and drifted out of the station. In about a minute we were back in the station, just slightly wet. From there we walked toward the Olde Idlewild section of the park. This area was a maze of 3-foot-high white fences. It created a visual coherence and also made it look like an old county fair. There were standard rides you might see at a county fair, like the rare Caterpillar (with a new canopy!) and a cable-driven Big Eli Ferris wheel. We lined up for the wheel, and it brought me back to my days running a very similar one at Mountain Park. These were my and Karen's favorite type of Ferris wheels, with a unique sensation of flying up in the air and floating back to the ground. After a long ride cycle, we boarded. The wind had started to pick up and clouds were rolling in. As at Knoebel's, there were some terrific views from the top but most everything appeared to be forest. It was difficult to see any rides. By that time it was late afternoon. We headed over to The Back Porch, a quaint little sit-down restaurant that looked like ... well ... a back porch. We both ordered salads. Karen also got ravioli with marinara sauce and breadsticks. I got ravioli with alfredo sauce and breadsticks. The cashier took quite a while to get us through the line; he seemed unsure of what he was doing. The prices, surprisingly, were quite a bit more expensive than Kennywood. The ravioli and salads were quite good. It was interesting that we were first both offered the kids' portions (4 pieces instead of 6). Karen opted for that. I should have done the same; that was a lot of pasta. Karen's breadsticks were really good. Mine were more like pretzel sticks. After that we walked down toward the big Soak Zone waterpark. Dark clouds were rolling in, but there was still a crowd splashing away. We passed by the old civil war cannon used in the artillery demonstration and came to a long bridge arching back over the creek to Raccoon Lagoon. We strolled quietly along the peaceful trail. I noticed black dots flitting about. Suddenly, we were completely surrounded by swarms of bees. They were only flying at a level about up to our waist, but it was a sea of them. They didn't seem to be interested in us, however. They were dashing madly back and forth from one side of the path to the other, sometimes colliding with us but not really doing us any harm. Nevertheless we quickened our pace and the swarm faded into the distance. We emerged next to the adult hand cars, and I couldn't resist taking another ride. I began to seriously consider building one in our backyard! I turned the little handles and pedaled myself around the track. There was one stretch that turned very slightly uphill, and I could feel my arms straining to keep myself moving. Occasionally the wheels would slip on the narrow track. Even so, it was a lot of fun. I could have spent the rest of the night on that ride. Unfortunately, the streak of good weather we had was coming to an end. Rain began falling. We didn't mind it after the heat of the day. We leisurely walked back over the bridge spanning the Loyalhanna Creek and wandered through Olde Idlewild. I got a good butter pecan ice cream cone. As rain briefly came down, we stopped into the gift shop at Hootin' Holler and picked up some more souvenirs. We really didn't want to leave. The park felt like home. We said one last "Happy Birthday" to Rollo Coaster and bid goodbye to the charming park. We hesitantly left behind MisterRogers' Neighborhood, Raccoon Lagoon and the Story Book Forest. We knew we would have to return here again. It was a perfect end to Coasterfest. At all of the parks, we were able to simply relax and enjoy the atmosphere without feeling like we had to rush from ride to ride. There was no need to have "the biggest and the fastest." And at Idlewild, although there were many rides we enjoyed, we had a wonderful time simply strolling along the shady winding paths of the midway. For us, that's what made it a truly great park. Jay From paul.beesley@mac.com Thu Jun 05 06:55:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: paul.beesley@mac.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82624 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 13:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 13:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutw.mac.com) (17.250.248.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 13:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from webmail043 (webmail043-s [10.13.128.43]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw003/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m55DsuOT024354; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:54:56 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, gazette@wnycc.org Message-ID: <467C504B-011A-1000-D24F-1A630BDF33CC-Webmail-10009@mac.com> in-reply-to: <889560.87928.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> references: <889560.87928.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received: from [unknown] from webmail.mac.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:54:56 -0700 X-Received: from [ 194.60.106.5] from webmail.mac.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:54:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: 17.250.248.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Paul Beesley Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Idlewild Park, May 26 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=329007503; y=OWBY_KAV1qvqzKYuuO6u_A6D25aiQaTea5-nhBSBLfuwar6g4A X-Yahoo-Profile: ridemadcom That was a great report Jay, Thanks for Sharing ;-) Cheers Paul On Thursday, June 05, 2008, at 02:42PM, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: >Here's the final Coasterfest trip report. For the >pictures that go along with the article, go here: > > > >=== > >The final stop on our Coasterfest trip was Idlewild >Park in Ligonier, Pennsylvania. The park was owned by >the Kennywood group, and it exhibited many of the same >qualities that have made Kennywood so beloved. The >park was easy to get to, straight along Route 30. >There were threats of severe thunderstorms in the >weather forecast, but the day was starting out warm >and sunny. We pulled into the first entrance that we >came to. (There were multiple parking areas.) It was >parking area A. We told the one attendant at the gates >that we were with the Western New York Coaster Club, >but he didn't know anything about it. (We later >discovered that the park had just opened for the >season three days before.) There were a lot of cars >already there. A benefit marathon was in progress, as >was a civil war re-enactment. We drove in (without >having to pay anything) and parked by the long train >tunnel on the left. >I had been to Idlewild with a friend in 1991. But it >was an afterthought. We were at Kennywood and made a >side-trip to Idlewild at night, just a few hours >before it closed. Karen, the kids and I visited the >park several years later. But it was again a brief >evening stop on our way to Ohio. Even so, in that >short time we had so much fun that Karen and I vowed >to return for a longer stay. One thing that stood out >for us was that the park had the most outgoing and >friendly employees we had ever encountered, including >one (our guide through the park's notorious Confusion >Hill) who was downright hilarious. This year was the >70th birthday of the park's wooden roller coaster, >named simply Rollo Coaster. Though I hadn't gotten >many rides on it, I remembered that it was fun. > >The entrance reminded me of another of our favorite >parks, Knoebel's, with numerous parking areas >skattered about, a picturesque creek (the Loyalhanna) >running through it and no clear entrance area. We >could walk into the heavily wooded park from just >about any direction. Idlewild was divided into seven >areas that all blended together. Some had more theming >than others. From where we were, much of the park was >behind a tall wooded fence with one open gate at the >far left end and another near the center of the >parking area. There were no traditional ticket booths >or formal entry gates. Karen and I stood around for a >while, uncertain where to go or what to do. We didn't >see any other members from the club. After several >minutes, we spotted some members getting out of their >car. They weren't quite sure what to do either. >Someone finally discovered that we were supposed to >have met in parking area C, near the Rollo Coaster. So >we followed our map and walked toward picnic pavilion >C8. The park hadn't opened for the public, but there >were many people milling about in civil war garb. The >path toward the pavilion was blocked off with caution >tape. Some nearby park supervisors told us to simply >walk on through. The scent of a campfire filled the >air as we walked. There were several tents pitched on >the grass. It looked just like a photo from the civil >war. Women in dresses were preparing meals. Men in >high boots and sporting thick beards sat around on old >wooden chairs. A blacksmith was heating up some coals >next to an anvil. > >The picnic pavilion was a beautiful stone and wood >structure beside a babbling brook. Birds were flitting >about. Next to our pavilion was another that was made >entirely out of hewn logs. They were constructed in >1999, but looked brand new. High on a hill next to us, >partially hidden by trees, was another picnic >pavilion, a huge ancient white building (one of the >oldest in the park) that used to be a dance hall. >Lining the walkways were attractive rustic >streetlamps. The surroundings made us feel relaxed. >The ambience was less like an amusement park and more >like a campground. > >There were free drinks set up for us, so we filled our >cups as more club members drifted over. About 9:45, >the park's supervisor of merchandise arrived and >expressed his sincere apology that the Wild Mouse >wasn't running. They were still awaiting parts for the >ride. He said to make up for that fact, the whole day >was on Idlewild; we didn't have to pay for our >wristbands. I thought that was extremely generous of >the park, considering that Idlewild wasn't a "ride" >park in the style of Cedar Point or Six Flags. At the >ride-heavy parks, a lot of enthusiasts go simply to >ride the biggest and fastest coasters, and if the >rides go down then it sort of ruins the day for them. >But Idlewild's Wild Mouse wasn't a ride that coaster >enthusiasts flocked to. And neither was Rollo Coaster. >Like Kennywood and Knoebel's, it was the entire park >experience that made the place enjoyable. So refunding >our entry fees simply because one of their rides was >down seemed excessive. But it also displayed the >friendly outgoing nature of the park and its >employees. > >We were walked back to the Rollo Coaster for some >"Exclusive Ride Time." The supervisor was continually >apologetic about the Wild Mouse being down. I actually >had been looking forward to riding it. I had ridden it >once before with Karen and the kids. It was the most >unique Mouse I ever rode. What I remembered most was >the wonderfully demented lift hill that tilted from >side to side as the car was pulled to the top. As we >walked over for our ERT, the park was extremely quiet. >About the only sound came from a large circular >fountain in front of an ice cream stand. > >The Rollo Coaster station was simplicity itself and >fit in well at the park. The name of the coaster was >painted directly onto the station in a thick curled >font. Just outside the station was a giant inflatable >birthday cake commemorating the ride. The coaster was >designed by one of my heroes, Herb Schmeck, who was >the president of the Philadelphia Toboggan Company and >one of the most prolific coaster designers of all >time. The ride was situated along a narrow curving >hillside and it was a remarkable piece of engineering. >At only 27 feet high, the ride might be easily >dismissed as a kiddie coaster. But Schmeck ingeniously >used the landscape to his advantage, creating a punchy >ride with pops of airtime and strong laterals >throughout the entire course. The structure was >surrounded by thick trees, making the ride seem faster >than it was. One club member mused aloud whether Lake >Compounce had gotten their inspiration for Boulder >Dash from Rollo Coaster. And indeed there were many >similarities. There were even stretches of track on >Rollo Coaster that looked nearly identical to Boulder >Dash. The main difference was scale. > >The small station didn't allow us to choose a seat. >Karen and I ended up in the second seat. The train was >still braked and dispatched manually with wooden >levers. Since the hillside curved off to the right, >none of the coaster was visible from the station. The >small but comfortable train rolled around 180 degrees >to the left and climbed the short lift. As we crested >the hill, the drop just didn't seem right. It was so >short (especially having ridden Phantom's Revenge at >Kennywood the previous day). It only looked to be a >few feet down. But that was part of Herb Schmeck's >genius. We gently rolled down the first drop and >curved to the right as we popped out of our seats and >slid to the left. This pattern kept up as we gained >speed, bouncing up and down over the little hills and >curving to the right. Like a baby Boulder Dash, the >turnaround slung us to the right. We caught a glimpse >of the Captain Kidd's Adventure Galley water play area >and then we bounced all the way back to the station. > >The coaster wasn't thrilling the way that a >200-foot-tall coaster would be. Instead it was just >plain fun. As the supervisor told us, "We don't have >the biggest or tallest anything here." Record breaking >doesn't matter as long as a ride can produce smiles. > >A different supervisor was standing nearby, and I >asked him if it would be possible to get some photos >of the idle Mouse. He was happy to take me over to the >area. The ride stood silent, shrouded by tall trees. >The trees made the ride seem much taller than it was. >The supervisor told me that the coaster was purchased >from Alton Towers in the United Kingdom (which had in >turn purchased it from a park in Austria). It was one >of the few Wild Mouse coasters designed by the great >Werner Stengel and manufactured by the Dutch company >Vekoma. Besides the oddly-tilted lift hill, another >thing that made the ride unique was the long nose on >the front of each car. On sharp corners, it created >the perception that the car was going straight off the >track. We thanked the supervisor for allowing us in >there and headed back to the group. On the way we >passed by the Flying Aces ride, which was still in the >process of being re-assembled for the season. > >The line for Rollo Coaster was quite long, so Karen >and I walked across the midway to admire the 1931 PTC >carousel. It was the second-to-last carousel that PTC >shipped and it bore many similarities to the Holyoke >Merry-Go-Round. It even had a similar (and rare) >Artizan Factories band organ and stylistically similar >interior scenery panels. It was a pleasure to see the >ride in such good condition. > >We wandered back to the pavilion. At 11:00, the club >re-grouped and the merchandise supervisor brought out >two cakes to celebrate the coaster's birthday. He also >talked to us about the park, the third oldest in the >United States. I was somewhat saddened that many >members of the group were talking amongst themselves >and not paying the slightest attention to the >supervisor. Idlewild had extended us many courtesies, >and it seemed the least we could have done was be >polite. The supervisor then had some prizes to give >out. He divided the room. A volunteer on our side >raised his hand, but no one on the other side >apparently wanted to participate. The supervisor asked >one of the staff passing out cake to come up. As was >done at Kennywood, he asked a series of questions >about the park and Rollo Coaster. Another employee >wore a hat with a bulb horn on it, and the horn would >get squeezed by whomever wanted to answer. Lots of >interesting facts were brought out. It was strange >that the staff member (who had been there a few years) >couldn't answer as many questions as the club member. >In the end, the club member won some T-shirts and a >bag of Rollos candy. But everyone was given really >nice Wild Mouse keychains and Idlewild koozies. > >The park formally opened to the general public. Karen >and I decided to start our visit in Story Book Forest >at the east end of the park. On the way, we passed by >Jumping Jungle, a busy play area with lots of >interesting things for kids to do. There was a small >netted arena with air jets that made balls float in >the air. There was a large gym-like area with a long >net to climb and chutes to slide down. There was the >Jungle Organ, a series of large tuned pipes that kids >could whack with paddles, producing tones. The great >thing about this area was that it wasn't restricted to >just kids; parents were playing right alongside their >children. > >The Story Book Forest was one of the most enchanting >things I remembered from our last trip. Unlike Charlie >Wood's well-known Storyland in New York (now The Great >Escape), the Forest wasn't just a collection of static >buildings and statues. It was a wooded area covering >several acres and populated with actors portraying >various characters that kids would know. The actors >went out of their way to involve the guests in the >stories with them. > >We entered the area through the gigantic story book. >Inside was a little room. An older woman sat there in >a white ruffled dress. It was Mother Goose. She >welcomed us and invited us in, and told us to enjoy >our stay. The first building we encountered was a >little red schoolhouse. We walked inside. There was a >woman dressed as a school marm. She didn't seem >bothered that two grown people had entered, and >invited us in. Two small children followed us, and >that's when the actress became more animated, asking >the children to write their names on the blackboard in >chalk. There were already dozens of names there in >many different colors. Back outside, Karen paused for >a picture with a clown figure holding a bass drum. On >the drum was written, "Welcome to Story Book Forest. >Here childhood is eternal and imagination is king." > >We passed a display featuring Little Miss Muffet. It >might have been frightening to children if it weren't >for the fact that the large spider was wearing comical >shoes and white gloves on its many legs. Then we >encountered a big empty chair. We stood there puzzled >for a minute. I was sure that the last time we were at >the park this was where Raggety Ann sat, next to her >house, asking us for help finding her brother. But >there was no house to be found. Nor was Raggedy Ann. >In fact, there seemed to be far fewer characters >around than we remembered. Perhaps it was because the >park had just opened for the season and school was >still in session. > >The Forest had many winding paths. Although there was >a general direction to the overall layout, it gave >families plenty of freedom to explore. We next >encountered the Crooked Little Man's house. Inside >were crooked furnishings. A bridge led across a brook >to the Jolly Miller's, which sold snacks. Up on a hill >was a display of the Little Engine That Could. Nearby >was the Good Ship Lollipop with a pirate (wearing >sunglasses) who looked more like a young business >executive. But he was very popular with the kids >because he was handing out lollipops. And like a good >child, I accepted one. > >As we walked along the paths, there were humorous >signs placed about the lawn asking people to stay off >the grass. Nearly every storybook character imaginable >was on display, from Goldilocks and the Three Bears to >the Old Woman in a Shoe. Karen got to meet Geppetto >and I unsuccessfully tried to pull Excalibur from its >stone. There were also several old displays from the >original version of the Story Book Forest, preserved >with plaques identifying them. There was a petting zoo >of sorts with the Three Billy Goats Gruff and the >Three Little Pigs. (Why are they always in threes?) >And we finally met up with Raggety Ann, who had been >re-located but was still looking for her brother. Red >Riding Hood was wandering around looking for her >grandmother. We found Hood's house, but her >grandmother didn't look so good.... > >One of Karen's favorite displays was of the gnomes >playing in the forest. They looked so peaceful and >happy off in the distance, like hobbits in the Shire. >Everywhere we looked there was color and beautiful >landscaping. Just before the exit was a gigantic >jack-in-the-box, smiling in a part-silly/part-scary >way. Then we exited through the gift shop, somewhat >sad that we were leaving. The store had some beautiful >ornaments, with various images from the Story Book >Forest. We bought a few, put them in our car and then >continued exploring the rest of the park. > >The next stretch of midway (past the Jumping Jungle) >was themed to a boomtown and was called Hootin' >Holler. There was the Mineshaft Kitchen, a large >eatery. It was followed by many shops and a few >well-disguised rides. One was the aforementioned >Confusion Hill, a tilty room with a detailed >backstory. It was a fairly long walk-thru "ride" and >Karen got really dizzy in it, so we passed this time. >Another ride that blended in with the surroundings was >Dizzy Lizzy's, which created the sensation of spinning >upside-down in a small room. It was one of the most >successful implemetations of that popular illusion. >The whole area felt like it had been there a hundred >years, with well-integrated thematic elements. Every >building looked authentic and was shaded by trees and >fronted by flowers. > >At the Gazebo Stage, a country band was entertaining >the crowd. Nearby was a nicely-themed funnel cake >stand. A treat there called Apple Fries caught my eye. >We stopped in and I ordered some. It basically >consisted of sliced apples briefly deep-fried with no >coating on them. Then the apple slices were rolled in >cinnamon and sugar and topped with ice cream and >whipped cream. Karen and I sat at a table, eating and >listening to the band. The Apple Fries were really >tasty, juicy and not at all greasy. I'd never eaten >anything like it before. > >After that we walked past a quaint miniature golf >course and headed across the long bridge to Raccoon >Lagoon. This was almost like a completely different >park. There were about a dozen old-style kiddie rides >dotting a heavily forested area. Also in this area was >the unique MisterRogers' Neighborhood trolley. As we >crossed the bridge, Karen saw a sign for the civil war >group. They were giving a demonstration in the >baseball field at that moment. So Karen and I made our >way through the kiddie rides to the ballfield at the >far end. There were several bleachers for spectators. >On the huge lawn was an older man with a confederate >cap, anachronistically holding a wireless microphone >while standing next to an old cannon. He was giving a >history lesson on the civil war, focusing on the >achievements of the confederate forces. He said the >men would be giving an artillery demonstration. Karen >noticed several soldiers putting cotton in their ears. >So she figured we might not want to remain so close. > >We walked back into the Raccoon Lagoon section, >periodically hearing the thunderous boom of the cannon >and the pops of musket fire. Though the rides in this >area were obviously old, they were very well >cared-for. There were not only antique cars for the >kids, but also a set of hot rod cars called Ricky's >Racers (named after the park mascot, Ricky Raccoon). >There were kiddie hand cars, plus something I've never >seen at any other park: adult hand cars! This was one >of my favorite rides when I was a kid at Mountain >Park. At Idlewild I was able to relive my childhood. >Naturally, I had to take a ride! Karen hopped on one >too. It was a really good upper-arm workout. > >There were many other classic rides. The little >circular boat ride was positioned just behind a >gigantic fountain in the middle of Raccoon Lagoon. The >Doodlebug was a little electric trolley that ran in a >circle. There was also a small hedge maze. But the big >attraction in this area was MisterRogers' Neighborhood >of Make Believe. Fred Rogers grew up not far from the >park and frequented it as a child. He had approached >Kennywood about creating a special ride for Idlewild. >Rogers and his company created the storyline for the >ride. The trolley that children recognized from the >television show would pull up to the station and take >passengers on a ride through the Land of Make Believe. > >The guests were loaded in groups. There was a large >waiting area on shaded benches. Signs all around the >area quizzed guests on different facts about the Land >of Make Believe, in case the guests had never watched >MisterRogers' Neighborhood. While we were waiting to >board, Ricky Raccoon came by to greet the children >there. Within a few minutes, our trolley arrived and >we boarded. Each trolley had a conductor who was also >a sort of tour guide. On our last visit, our conductor >was very high-spirited and funny and that's what made >the ride so enjoyable. This time our conductor was >friendly, but obviously new and probably a little >nervous. But just the same she was very personable. > >The trolley rolled forward with that tinkling piano >line from the television show and entered a short >tunnel. We emerged in the Land of Make Believe and >encountered life-size mockups of the actual sets. Our >first stop was at the castle of King Friday. A curtain >opened and a well-done animatronic figure of King >Friday emerged. He greeted us. The conductor did most >of the scripted repartee for us. The King wanted to >invite all of his friends and neighbors (us included) >to a "Hug and Song" party. He asked us to find all the >people in the neighborhood and invite them. One by >one, the trolley brought us to the homes of all the >different characters. It was quite magical, with the >sets placed deep in the forest and surrounded by trees >and plants. Lady Elaine Fairchild showed us some >musical instruments she was working on. The shy Daniel >Striped Tiger played peek-a-boo with us. At each stop, >the conductor would lead us in calling out, "Come >along, come along to the castle's Hug and Song!" In >the final tableau, everyone had arrived at the castle >and King Friday led us all in a song. I had expected >the King to then say something like, "All right, now >hug the person on your right," which could get very >awkward. But to Fred Rogers' credit, what the King >said was, "Now hug the person you want to hug." We >said our good-byes to the Land of Make Believe and >returned to the station. Fred Rogers always had such a >gentle way about him, and this ride was a perfect >reflection of that. It was also the perfect ride for >Idlewild. > >We stopped off in the nearby gift shop, which had many >souvenirs including a colorful trolley magnet. Then we >noticed that the Loyalhanna Limited train had stopped >nearby. So we hopped aboard. The ride was peaceful, >traveling through the dense forest, crossing over the >creek and then turning toward Hootin' Holler. We went >through a long structure that appeared to have once >been a tunnel, but the side toward the creek had been >completely removed. It was more like traveling >alongside a tall wooden fence with a roof. We >disembarked beside a big old rusted steamroller and >headed back to our pavilion for some more free drinks. >An older woman who wasn't in the WNYCC had set herself >up in our pavilion. She made a comment that the rides >were no good here, and if we wanted to ride a real >coaster we should go to Kennywood. I told her that I >really like Rollo Coaster and that Herb Schmeck did >and incredible job designing it. But she didn't seem >to care. > >Karen and I headed back down toward Hootin' Holler. >The air was hot and muggy, so we lined up for Paul >Bunyon's Loggin' Toboggan, which had quite a crowd. We >discovered why as we got further into the station. >Although attractively landscaped, this was one of the >shortest flumes I had ever seen. There was a sort of >S-curve out of the station, a 180-degree right-hand >turn up to the lift and then a splashdown. Because of >its short length, there were only four boats. We >finally sat in our "log" and drifted out of the >station. In about a minute we were back in the >station, just slightly wet. > >From there we walked toward the Olde Idlewild section >of the park. This area was a maze of 3-foot-high white >fences. It created a visual coherence and also made it >look like an old county fair. There were standard >rides you might see at a county fair, like the rare >Caterpillar (with a new canopy!) and a cable-driven >Big Eli Ferris wheel. We lined up for the wheel, and >it brought me back to my days running a very similar >one at Mountain Park. These were my and Karen's >favorite type of Ferris wheels, with a unique >sensation of flying up in the air and floating back to >the ground. After a long ride cycle, we boarded. The >wind had started to pick up and clouds were rolling >in. As at Knoebel's, there were some terrific views >from the top but most everything appeared to be >forest. It was difficult to see any rides. > >By that time it was late afternoon. We headed over to >The Back Porch, a quaint little sit-down restaurant >that looked like ... well ... a back porch. We both >ordered salads. Karen also got ravioli with marinara >sauce and breadsticks. I got ravioli with alfredo >sauce and breadsticks. The cashier took quite a while >to get us through the line; he seemed unsure of what >he was doing. The prices, surprisingly, were quite a >bit more expensive than Kennywood. The ravioli and >salads were quite good. It was interesting that we >were first both offered the kids' portions (4 pieces >instead of 6). Karen opted for that. I should have >done the same; that was a lot of pasta. Karen's >breadsticks were really good. Mine were more like >pretzel sticks. > >After that we walked down toward the big Soak Zone >waterpark. Dark clouds were rolling in, but there was >still a crowd splashing away. We passed by the old >civil war cannon used in the artillery demonstration >and came to a long bridge arching back over the creek >to Raccoon Lagoon. We strolled quietly along the >peaceful trail. I noticed black dots flitting about. >Suddenly, we were completely surrounded by swarms of >bees. They were only flying at a level about up to our >waist, but it was a sea of them. They didn't seem to >be interested in us, however. They were dashing madly >back and forth from one side of the path to the other, >sometimes colliding with us but not really doing us >any harm. Nevertheless we quickened our pace and the >swarm faded into the distance. > >We emerged next to the adult hand cars, and I couldn't >resist taking another ride. I began to seriously >consider building one in our backyard! I turned the >little handles and pedaled myself around the track. >There was one stretch that turned very slightly >uphill, and I could feel my arms straining to keep >myself moving. Occasionally the wheels would slip on >the narrow track. Even so, it was a lot of fun. I >could have spent the rest of the night on that ride. >Unfortunately, the streak of good weather we had was >coming to an end. Rain began falling. We didn't mind >it after the heat of the day. We leisurely walked back >over the bridge spanning the Loyalhanna Creek and >wandered through Olde Idlewild. I got a good butter >pecan ice cream cone. As rain briefly came down, we >stopped into the gift shop at Hootin' Holler and >picked up some more souvenirs. We really didn't want >to leave. The park felt like home. > >We said one last "Happy Birthday" to Rollo Coaster and >bid goodbye to the charming park. We hesitantly left >behind MisterRogers' Neighborhood, Raccoon Lagoon and >the Story Book Forest. We knew we would have to return >here again. It was a perfect end to Coasterfest. At >all of the parks, we were able to simply relax and >enjoy the atmosphere without feeling like we had to >rush from ride to ride. There was no need to have "the >biggest and the fastest." And at Idlewild, although >there were many rides we enjoyed, we had a wonderful >time simply strolling along the shady winding paths of >the midway. For us, that's what made it a truly great >park. > >Jay > > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 07:26:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13730 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 14:26:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:26:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OT: Disney and NASA Send Buzz Lightyear into Space X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=LZCSrcpDOLVxeJyJXNn_x1WGf-wZWzkSGmcgLPrrSI0oTlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 29, 2008 PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 05-29-2008/0004822686&EDATE=3D CAPE CANAVERAL, FL -- It's a dream come true for Buzz Lightyear as Disney Parks and NASA send the 12"-tall action figure "to infinity and beyond!" Buzz Lightyear will blast off aboard Space Shuttle Discovery on mission STS-124. Liftoff from Kennedy Space Center is scheduled for 5:02 p.m. ET on May 31. To view the Multimedia News Release, go to: http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/disney/33307/ Buzz's dream of going "to infinity and beyond" will finally come true during the mission when -- with the help of the crew -- he will fly in zero gravity inside the International Space Station as part of NASA's "Toys in Space" initiative. Through this program, Buzz will help introduce fun elements from space into science and math classrooms across the country. With Buzz will launch the aspiration of millions of school children who dream of space travel. STS-124 will coincide with the kickoff of the Space Ranger Education Series -- part of NASA's "Toys in Space," an educational program for teachers and students. The program builds on NASA's educational goals of encouraging students to pursue studies in science, technology and mathematics (STEM) subjects, which are vitally important in sustaining U.S. economic competitiveness and technological leadership. Developed by Disney and NASA, "Toys in Space" features materials for educators to download and integrate into their classroom curriculum as well as online, educational games linked to each key component of the mission. The series, hosted at http://www.nasa.gov, will be available throughout 2008. "NASA is excited to help students understand the science and engineering currently underway on the International Space Station," said Dr. Joyce Winterton, NASA Assistant Administrator for Education. "The educational games and resources from this partnership will allow students to explore the science and math behind space exploration with a beloved character." Buzz's groundbreaking mission into space also coincides the launch of his latest debut on earth in Toy Story Mania!, Disney Parks new attraction that opens May 31 at Walt Disney World in Florida and June 17 at Disneyland Resort in California. "The Space Ranger Education Series will give teachers an opportunity to incorporate a fun and engaging moment into the classroom with a character that children really love," said Jay Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. "We're pleased to join NASA in creating a program that can help keep kids excited about math and science." Buzz's Space Itinerary Buzz will spend several months in space at the International Space Station (ISS) testing the limits of zero gravity before returning home to a hero's welcome at WDW later this year. While in space, Buzz will participate in an experiment flying in zero gravity and appear in a video downlink from the ISS. The Space Shuttle Discovery mission STS-124 will travel with 7 astronauts to install Kibo's large Japanese Pressurized Module (JPM) and the lab's robotic arm system. -------------- SOURCE Walt Disney World Public Relations Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jun 05 16:01:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42629 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 23:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 23:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 23:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from [71.98.228.87] (helo=[192.168.1.66]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K4OS3-0004aA-Qj for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:01:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4848702C.30101@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:01:00 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1b5541751becfffc86b232703fa0710910af8b6f847e2cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: TR: Aquatica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Isb541MfvwdpKTWTd63RSSH-sZZIRu-MWR-q32gEP3r3cb4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash So we finally made it out to Aquatica today and got to see the park. With everyone out of school, we figured it would be a great opportunity to check out the park. So we were up nice and early to make sure we were there at opening, arriving about 15 minutes before the park was supposed to open, though it looked like there were people already in and riding when we got there. Who: me, my wife, and 2 kids weather: hot!!! there was good shade but it was blazing today crowds: packed! they filled the parking lot to capacity by 2pm Arriving at the park we ran into a bit of a glitch. We've had our platinum passes for Busch for years now, this being the one thing that we maintained through the cancer and everything else the last year and a half. Turns out that even though I had called their passport line to check, and asked at Sea World, and both told me that Aquatica was included on our platinum passes- which are supposed to get us into all the Busch parks but Discovery Cove, it turns out that Aquatica isn't included after all. And if we wanted to add it, we're going to have to pony up more money. Great time to find this out, while we're standing at the gate with 2 kids ready to go. Thankfully we had a very understanding guest relations employee, who gave us comp tickets to get in, enjoy the park, and then decide if we wanted to accept the hefty increase in our pass prices to use them again. So off we went. As you walk in, before you even get to the lockers, main gift shop, and changing rooms you cross over a bridge, pass the entrance to the Dolphin Plunge, and get a chance to see the dolphins. These are enclosed speed slides that do a quick helix, then straighten out and give a very quick glimpse of the dolphines. We didn't do them right away, and unfortunately that meant we didn't get to do them as the next time we came by it had a 45-60 minute line and it never went down. We got a locker, put our stuff away, grabbed a couple of chairs in the shade and headed over to the next stop in the "semi-loop"- Loggerhead Lane and Tassie's Twisters. This is essentially 2 of the toilet bowl slides with a lazy river around the. Here's where we ran into one thing I really didn't like. The only way to get to the twisters was to go in the lazy river, as they are on the island. And you MUST have a tube in this river- no exceptions, even if you're not going on the twisters. We came back later to just enjoy the river, since it has a nice fish grotto view and a view of the dolphin slide and dolphins below water level. But had to have a tube for each of us. Poor design in my opinion. IN any case, the first time we walked all the way around it before realizing we had to go through the river to get the slides, figured that out, got yelled at because my son was walking next to our tube in the on our way to the entrance to the other ride, and finally got in line. Once we got through that mess we really enjoyed the slides. They would do one or two person rafts, and were a lot of fun. Would have liked to ride them again later but the line got ridiculously long, actually coming down to the waterline of the river later. We then headed over to HooRoo Run, a family raft ride that is a straight hill with several dips that gave some great air on the last hill. We took a round on the Taumata Racer, an 8 lane racing slide, since it had no line at that point (it would change later) and I won easily thanks to my bigger belly expanse than the others. :) Fun, but we weren't worried about hitting it again. Walhalla Wave was also in the complex- a family raft ride with several twists and turns, and a good bit enclosed. With all 4 of us, this puppy moved quick- going high on the turns and giving me and my daughter some good tosses when we happened to be at the peak of the turn. This was our favorite ride of the day and we came back and waited the 20 minutes or so to ride it again. I was impressed how quickly they moved this line, even when it was really really long. And the lifeguards were having a blast splashing the water out of the loading area and over the edge so it was splashing people in line- which was really nice since it was getting really hot! We then crossed the complex and hit the 4 slides known as Whanau Way- 3 which could be double rafts and one which was a single only. The two slides on one side were essentially mirrors of the other two. Fun, relatively short rides. Happily we caught these when teh line was still almost non-existent because later it's line was also all the way on the ground and then some. By now we were hungry, so we took advantage of their all you can eat deal. For $20 (less if you have a passport), you can eat as many times as you want, and all you want, at the Banana Beach Cookout, which included hamburgers, hot dogs, bbq chicken legs, corn on the cob, potato salad, several kinds of fruit, a couple of different puddings, and a few other items. We ended up eating 3 times (2 full meals and an early snack of croissants, pastries, and cereal and milk) because these places will wear you out, so it ended up being a pretty good deal for us. Since we had been on everything we hit their main "river"- which is anything but a lazy river. No tubes allowed, but people are encouraged to get life vests. Even though I'm a strong swimmer, I picked one up along the way. Why? Because this is a high speed river! Fast enough that there is NO going upstream. It's not going to happen because the current is just to strong. I know because I had to try it when my kids got separated. Plenty of fountains, geysers, and little rapids keep this a lot of fun. I think this ended up being my son's favorite. We also spent some time at their water play jungle gym (what do you call those things?) called Walkabout Waters. This thing is huge, with 2(!) giant dumping buckets, at least 7 small to medium slides coming off of it, and a ton of water shooters, squirters, dumpers, and fountains. One thing I liked with this was that there was a pool about 6-10 inches deep under the whole thing- no exposed concrete. We had a blast, though my wife bailed out while shaking her head at us goofballs. They also have a double wave pool- two small to moderate pools next to each other with a fake stone reef dividing them. Three foot waves seems about the average and they seemed pretty typical fare to me. Nice looking, but nothing spectacular. Overall we enjoyed our day, and had a lot of fun. There were a couple of attractions that were really neat. But sadly I doubt we'll be back. The park is nice, but not enough to justify the pretty steep increase that they want to add to our passes- more than what our gas would cost us to go to Tampa and back to visit Adventure Island a couple of times, even at the current silly prices of gas. And since we don't do water parks that often, it's not an expense I can justify. If you can get a cheap ticket it's well worth the visit, and I'd love to go back sometime if the opportunity presents itself. But even locally I'd take either Disney waterpark over this one. Can't compare it to Wet and Wild since I haven't been there, but my daughter who had been there liked Wet and Wild better, though it was close in her opinion. Thanks for reading! keep on ridin' George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 22:14:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 886 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2008 05:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2008 05:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2008 05:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2008 05:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2008 05:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2008 05:14:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:14:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4848702C.30101@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.17 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Aquatica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=GVS0ikfEYQuJR0ZTbLkopws8Q-6R2xi2DeUK-ZJHn5mK8LXu4w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > We also spent some time at their water play jungle gym (what do you=20 call=20 > those things?) called Walkabout Waters.=20 > Thanks for reading! >=20 > keep on ridin' > George I believe the term the industry is using is 'sprayground', George.=20 Reading this made me realize that I haven't been to a full-sized=20 water-only waterpark in YEARS. 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--YCalReminder=B4VvuLvV3CN6siAvyCBzpsmNUA6DSWN1212731415-1-- From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 06 05:32:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18964 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2008 12:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2008 12:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2008 12:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2008 12:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2008 12:32:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:32:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4848702C.30101@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: Aquatica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=L2CIc1VgNScyQgtKqVuHhxWWglFSigbQB-uDATst4c6ty2DjI7HAcE1GHw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Arriving at the park we ran into a bit of a glitch. We've had our=20 > platinum passes for Busch for years now, this being the one thing=20 that=20 > we maintained through the cancer and everything else the last year=20 and a=20 > half. Turns out that even though I had called their passport line=20 to=20 > check, and asked at Sea World, and both told me that Aquatica was=20 > included on our platinum passes- which are supposed to get us into=20 all=20 > the Busch parks but Discovery Cove, it turns out that Aquatica=20 isn't=20 > included after all. And if we wanted to add it, we're going to have=20 to=20 > pony up more money. Great time to find this out, while we're=20 standing=20 > at the gate with 2 kids ready to go. > Overall we enjoyed our day, and had a lot of fun. There were a=20 couple=20 > of attractions that were really neat. But sadly I doubt we'll be=20 back.=20 > The park is nice, but not enough to justify the pretty steep=20 increase=20 > that they want to add to our passes- more than what our gas would=20 cost=20 > us to go to Tampa and back to visit Adventure Island a couple of=20 times,=20 > even at the current silly prices of gas. And since we don't do=20 water=20 > parks that often, it's not an expense I can justify. If you can=20 get a=20 > cheap ticket it's well worth the visit, and I'd love to go back=20 sometime=20 > if the opportunity presents itself. But even locally I'd take=20 either=20 > Disney waterpark over this one. Can't compare it to Wet and Wild=20 since=20 > I haven't been there, but my daughter who had been there liked Wet=20 and=20 > Wild better, though it was close in her opinion. wow, that really bums me out. my wife and i have been debating=20 whether to take our son to aquatica ever since it opened. we have the=20 platinum passes too, and assumed that since AI was included that=20 Aquatica was included too. i mean, they are both water parks owned by=20 the same company! i can understand the upcharge for DC, but not for a=20 waterpark. i get the feeling they think they can charge this just=20 because its new. and though it might be crowded now, i dont think=20 most people are gonna want to pay the add-on fee just to upgrade to=20 add aquatica(what does that make it, a plutonium pass?). bad move on=20 Busch's part.=20 well, if you guys ever are gonna come and hit BG or AI one weekend,=20 let me know and maybe we can meet up. Doug From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jun 06 05:34:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95707 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2008 12:34:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:34:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Coaster websites X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=nMrkS5GWTldItjV6dkWf9LsT7DfNsyG9C9AtDLR028Dgwsy1o0XauUSOcw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 wrote: > I know about theme park critic too and I like that one also. So what=20 > are some other cool ones? i like the American Coasters Network(not ACE), if for no other reason=20 than their photo section, which has a nice collection of gorgeous shots=20 that have a high enough pixelation that i can use them for background=20 on my computer.=20 From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Jun 06 05:41:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97774 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2008 12:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2008 12:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2008 12:41:28 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so570968ywm.14 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.114.9 with SMTP id r9mr152810ybm.147.1212756087696; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 05:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0806060541h5c858bav54b4dec441341ad8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:41:27 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: NEWS: Faarup Launch Coaster Updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=EQgz4NcvoCRAVLqFYFzlt6Al_mH-PFgrXSBSGhIDMHeaQ6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Pictures of the new Gerstlauer Faarup Launch Coaster "Lynet" (lightening) are up at: http://themepark.nl/ubb/ubbthreads.php/topics/544364/6/Gelanceerde_Gerstlauer_voor_Fa.html Adam From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jun 06 06:16:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66724 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2008 13:16:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2008 13:16:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0105.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2008 13:16:52 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3E49429A1 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:16:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.4846c751.66939 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:16:26 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlISTiqHlgqJgIAAAAB,f55ac996821446e8864f8bb48a4034cb Message-ID: <4FB12061BE0843AF91B99217CDD76246@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:16:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Aquatica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=2r6nVFzJlaYOsoajDZHoGxnAAadap0uuNVI96NRzn4i3U2H0OOxg5vapkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually I usually use the term "Water Fortress" for those large structures with the dumping buckets atop these days. Sprayground is more of an on the ground thing... ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:14 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Aquatica --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > We also spent some time at their water play jungle gym (what do you call > those things?) called Walkabout Waters. > Thanks for reading! > > keep on ridin' > George I believe the term the industry is using is 'sprayground', George. Reading this made me realize that I haven't been to a full-sized water-only waterpark in YEARS. I did a couple of the slides at Holiday World last year, and a small park in Saipan when my last ship made a port call there. 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--YCalReminder=5ZRHmu3E5yhJuOcBpBZLut0Jaf7EX1212817816-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 06:40:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52590 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 13:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 13:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 13:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 13:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 13:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 13:40:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:40:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Cedar Point to Host Enthusiasts From Around the World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=533teW8QwIlzRBffRBYk_DpS_HVgGKF09lvPcWDKiS2BR1o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 4, 2008 PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 06-04-2008/0004826354&EDATE=3D SANDUSKY, OH -- It has happened nearly every June since 1989. Roller-coaster-enthusiasts from across the country and from around the world will visit Cedar Point (CP) to celebrate and enjoy roller-coaster-riding at its finest. On Friday, June 6, the Sandusky, OH, amusement park/resort will host CoasterMania '08! A week later, on Friday, June 13, the Roller Coaster Club of Great Britain will challenge the world's largest collection of coasters. Resurrected in 1989 to introduce the 205'-tall Magnum XL-200, the tallest and fastest roller coaster in the world at that time, to the coaster community, participants will celebrate CoasterMania's 19th anniversary in the traditional way -- by riding roller coasters from sunrise on Friday, June 6 to the early hours of Saturday, June 7. Overall, coaster-enthusiasts will be able to ride coasters for more than 18.5 hours. (In 1978, CP hosted CoasterMania to commemorate the opening of Gemini, a 125'-tall double-racing coaster, the park's first coaster to hold the distinction of "tallest and fastest roller coaster in the world.") With 17 roller coasters, including perennial favorites such as Millennium Force, Top Thrill Dragster and last summer's newcomer, Maverick, named the "Best New Ride of 2007" by the National Amusement Park Historical Association (NAPHA), CP will give attendees plenty to scream about. Approximately 1,400 coaster aficionados are expected to attend. Several coaster clubs will be represented including the American Coaster Enthusiasts, Great Ohio Coaster Club, Coaster Zombies and the Western New York Coaster Club. During the day, participants will discuss the differences between steel and wood coasters and what coasters offer the best thrills. 7 days later, approximately 6-dozen members of The Roller Coaster Club of Great Britain will visit the park. Formed in 1988, the group will be celebrating its 20th year anniversary. Its membership now totals more than 1,200 people from more than 15 different countries. This will also be a special visit for the group. It will be the 15th anniversary of the organization's first trip to the US (1993). For information about CP, guests can log on to cedarpoint.com or call the park's general information line at 419.627.2350. --------------- SOURCE Cedar Point Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 06:46:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25906 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 13:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 13:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 13:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 13:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 13:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 13:46:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:46:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Cedar Fair Partners Pass 3 Proposals at Annual Meeting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ptMJpRpAKnrb9O65foipBbApOZMqwdJhJfykDwvcuueEOyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 May 16, 2008 PR Newswire - FirstCall http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 05-16-2008/0004815333&EDATE=3D SANDUSKY, OH -- Cedar Fair (CF), a leader in regional amusement parks, water parks and active entertainment, reports that on May 15, 2008, its limited partners re-elected Darrel D. Anderson and David L. Paradeau to the Board of Directors of its general partner, Cedar Fair Management, Inc., to terms expiring in 2011. The limited partners also approved the adoption of the 2008 Omnibus Incentive Plan, which supersedes and replaces several existing incentive compensation plans, and confirmed the appointment of Deloitte & Touche LLP as the Company's independent registered public accounting firm. CF is a publicly traded partnership headquartered in Sandusky, OH, and one of the largest regional amusement-resort operators in the world. The Company owns and operates 11 amusement parks, 6 outdoor water parks, 1 indoor water park and 5 hotels. Amusement parks in the company's northern region include 2 in Ohio: Cedar Point, consistently voted "Best Amusement Park in the World" in Amusement Today polls, and Kings Island; as well as Canada's Wonderland, near Toronto; Dorney Park, PA; Valleyfair, MN; and Michigan's Adventure, MI. In the southern region are Kings Dominion, VA; Carowinds, NC; and Worlds of Fun, MO. Western parks in California include: Knott's Berry Farm; Great America; and Gilroy Gardens, which is managed under contract. Also included in that region is Star Trek: The Experience, a Las Vegas-based interactive adventure. This news release and prior releases are available online at http://www.cedarfair.com. --------------- SOURCE Cedar Fair Entertainment Company Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Jun 07 08:26:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64146 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 15:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 15:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 15:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 15:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 15:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 15:26:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:26:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.92.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: Aquatica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=hgeUhmIxMVPtoeBDc7eNapmBQBH3aM0gdhgTSZpY9aqtl3rFyP41PqpBlg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 so my wife was doing some digging on the BG website, and basically it=20 looks it does indeed not include Aquatica on EXISTING platinum passes.=20 however, if you were getting a new pass, Aquatica would be included. so=20 it looks like in the future the platinuim passes will have aquatica=20 included, with the added cost of course.=20 grr... From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Jun 07 10:32:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35563 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 17:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 17:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 17:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [71.98.228.87] (helo=[192.168.1.66]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K52Gu-0004Y6-8S for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:32:08 -0400 Message-ID: <484AC618.2070307@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:32:08 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478f1b5541751becfff735ca4e22dbea916ed50083d83cc12a4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Aquatica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=nmO624-x1fcZVx43YW_K967uZGTWjzdZaPkZ9RHPQbCNiSk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > > so my wife was doing some digging on the BG website, and basically it > looks it does indeed not include Aquatica on EXISTING platinum passes. > however, if you were getting a new pass, Aquatica would be included. so > it looks like in the future the platinuim passes will have aquatica > included, with the added cost of course. > > grr... > That's essentially what they told me when I called them the other night about it. Told them I wasn't happy as that's not what I was told when I called before the park opened, or what I was told at Sea World a couple of weeks before the park opened. They logged the complaint, apologized, and basically couldn't/ wouldn't do much else. I would call them though and ask about yours. If I remember right, it hasn't been that long that you've had yours, so it might be on there. Call their passport hotline, have them pull up your specific record and look, and they can tell you over the phone. keep on ridin' George From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jun 07 15:32:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39238 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 22:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 22:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 22:32:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92990 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2008 22:32:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jNScaTQVM1lRVUhYC.d2Yl5dXzV44NoHjZCYzC2guV4sJPKJBvwbtoOhq_jQb1Gj4D3t_Fm9XIGv X-Received: from [71.127.4.222] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:32:23 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1212790264.2684.75985.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <831699.92295.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Faarup Launch Coaster Updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EbSlXHYWQzbC5hdFneVZmaPj3no3dm8cqcc6t-9lGl5DyUgWGZl3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme What are those little lights on the backs of the train seats? Jay From lance@screamscape.com Sat Jun 07 15:41:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38580 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 22:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 22:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 22:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10936C1741 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.4849ceac.23eaf for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:41:36 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlISw6g73eqwwIAAAAB,d3987b4b74fd1d8ca1ae298ff366ee84 Message-ID: To: References: <831699.92295.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <831699.92295.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:41:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Faarup Launch Coaster Updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=81tQySOQe7o39HUm6DJEH6z6sNCu0ElRqaEOZaMn8tu17LDNEADK9gYbXw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe they are indicator lights for the ride ops to let them know if the restraints are locked in or not. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Faarup Launch Coaster Updates What are those little lights on the backs of the train seats? 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--YCalReminder=JzdP4MQdm5X1MIRQzTPOjY44eJCfANS1212904214-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 07:48:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8862 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2008 14:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2008 14:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2008 14:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 14:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 14:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 14:48:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:48:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Universal Studios Hollywood Honors California Firefighters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=J2bj3g4JkTaTSk8IjxFV_ZAED13Bh1RT150-y-QdkA7ulX8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 5, 2008 PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/= 06-05-2008/0004827234&EDATE=3D UNIVERSAL CITY, CA -- Universal Studios Hollywood (USH) pays tribute to the firefighters who recently helped save the historic Universal studio with a "Salute to Firefighters," offering badged fire department personnel a free 1-Day General Admission throughout the month of June. Up to 3e family members or friends accompanying an eligible firefighter will also receive 50% off a 1-Day General Admission. To obtain free admission, firefighters may show current photo employee identification at the USH theme park box office. Larry Kurzweil, President and COO, USH, said: "We are deeply grateful to the selfless firefighters who put their lives on the line to save our historic studio. Through their extraordinary efforts, we were able to resume operations at our theme park and on CityWalk just one day after Sunday's major fire." The free 1-Day General Admission is valid throughout June 2008 and cannot be combined with any other offer. Friends and family members must come to the park on the same day as the eligible emergency personnel to receive 50% off 1-Day General Admission. More information can be obtained by calling 1-800-UNIVERSAL or accessing http://www.UniversalStudiosHollywood.com. Just one day after the accidental fire broke out, business resumed and guests were welcomed to the theme park and entertainment complex as USH and Universal CityWalk's employees assumed a "the show must go on" spirit in the face of the temporary setback. All rides, shows and attractions are open and operating normally, including the new and much-acclaimed "The Simpsons Ride," which opened to spectacular reviews just weeks ago and joined "Revenge of the Mummy -- The Ride" and "Jurassic Park -- The Ride" as stand-out USH thrill-ride experiences. USH (http://www.UniversalStudiosHollywood.com) The Entertainment Capital of L.A., includes a movie-based theme park and Studio Tour, the CityWalk entertainment, shopping and dining complex, the Universal Cinemas and the Gibson Amphitheatre concert and special event venue. --------------- SOURCE Universal Studios Hollywood Copyright =A9 1996-2008 PR Newswire Association LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 07:56:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43010 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2008 14:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2008 14:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2008 14:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 14:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 14:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 14:56:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:56:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Penang Govt mulling over theme park proposal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bvN2VXw0mMpuAr8yoef6lLZfdI1JvHNXGas8TUwLl8MxoFw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 8, 2008 The Star http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=3D/2008/6/8/north/21492366&sec= =3DNorth BUKIT MERTAJAM, PENANG, MALAYSIA -- The state is studying the possibility of allowing a RM30mil theme park similar to the Genting Highlands Theme Park complete with fun rides and a water park to be set up in Seberang Prai. State Tourism, Culture, Arts and Heritage Committee chairman Danny Law Heng Kiang said that a local firm had submitted the proposal to build the family theme park on a 2ha site located near Auto-City in Juru here. "The proposal seems quite acceptable but we will still need to vet it through the state Economic Planning Unit, the Environmental Department and local council before making a decision," he said after visiting the Auto-City carnival yesterday. "It would be a medium-scale theme park situated next to the Prai river and it would have fun rides, outdoor activities, a hawker centre and a water-theme park. "There is a possibility that the park will be expanded to 4ha if things go well," he said, adding that the proposed site belonged to a local firm. -------------- =A9 1995-2008 Star Publications (M) Bhd From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 08:03:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80911 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2008 15:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2008 15:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2008 15:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 15:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 15:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 15:03:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:03:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Actor sues after being shot during theme park show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=pn4CIvs2935EQ5ieWLZPrKkC4ipWCF64LqyPySJJUArnZEM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 6, 2008 The Associated Press The Courier Post http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080606/NEWS= 01/806060347 NEWARK, NJ -=97 An actor shot in the head and partly paralyzed when live ammunition was mistakenly used during a theme park's staged gunfight sued Wild West City, its owner and others on Thursday, charging their negligence and recklessness led to his injuries. "It's reckless misconduct in operation of the theme park in allowing a 17-y.o. who had no firearms training to have access to firearms and live ammunition," said Andrew A. Fraser, lawyer for the wounded actor, Scott Harris. "Obviously, Scott will need a lifetime of care, rehabilitation and medical treatment," Fraser said. The lawsuit seeks unspecified monetary damages that would be used for those purposes, Fraser said. Harris, 39, of Byram, was shot July 7, 2006. His right arm and leg are paralyzed, he cannot walk and he has difficulty speaking, Fraser said. Harris now lives in a group home in Harding. During a news conference at his lawyer's office in Sparta, Harris was asked about his recovery. He replied, "Long road," the Daily Record of Parsippany reported on its Web site. The lawsuit, filed in state Superior Court in Newton, named park owner Michael Stabile; Nathan McPeak, a park supervisor; and Alberto Morales, an employee who brought real ammunition to the park, Fraser said. Also sued was the 17-y.o. who fired the .22-caliber pistol, who was identified in court papers as D.S. since he was a juvenile at the time, Fraser said. Messages left at Wild West City in Netcong, Morris County, for Stabile and McPeak were not immediately returned. No listing could be found for Morales in the area. Criminal charges were brought in January 2007 against Stabile and McPeak, as well as the juvenile. The adults were charged with violating public safety by allowing a gun with real ammunition in the show. Their cases have not yet come to trial, Fraser said. The juvenile, who said he mistakenly loaded bullets instead of blanks, was charged with assault and was sentenced to probation after pleading guilty in May 2007 to negligently injuring another person with a weapon. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 CourierPostOnline.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 08:09:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5079 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2008 15:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2008 15:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2008 15:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 15:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 15:09:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:09:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: WDW launches Google Earth 3D to help plan theme-park visit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=P6H4Ch2Jv5q6JpIE9Mn8qR0jAjpDX5Sg-c28oCsv7v8zzXI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 6, 2008 The Associated Press The Seattle Times http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/travel/2004459652_webdisneymap05.html= ?syndication=3Drss BURBANK, CA -=97 Tourists overwhelmed by the mind-boggling size of Walt Disney World (WDW) in Orlando, FL, will now be able to plan their tour with the help of a 3D Google Earth map created by The Walt Disney Co. The map of the 4 theme parks and 22 hotels at WDW shows souvenir shacks, merry-go-round horses and even benches for resting. Google Earth, an interactive 3D mapping program, allows to create travelogues by embedding photos, videos and commentary about locations they highlight. Disney called its entry the largest corporate initiative on Google Earth. About 100,000 shots from 8 photographers went into 1,500 3-dimensional images of a variety of structures at WDW, the company said Thursday. Disney's Google Earth entry also contains links to blogs and YouTube videos and information on everything from the minimum rider height for certain attractions to menus at different restaurants. Nearly 9 in 10 park guests plan their vacations online, Disney said. The map, at www.disneyworld.com/3dparks, will let them see what's where. ----------- Copyright =A9 2008 The Seattle Times Company From internetjunky2k@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 11:58:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: internetjunky2k@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51837 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2008 18:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2008 18:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.130) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2008 18:58:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30011 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2008 18:58:03 -0000 X-Received: from [75.198.21.225] by web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:58:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:58:03 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <484AC618.2070307@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <808631.29389.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Internetjunky Reply-To: internetjunky2k@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Aquatica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130831931; y=cwLUCL3n6Wx6lWJOpXP5WaoqeOmMWULpp38_Kv15zwU9IFleXg2FTHXj X-Yahoo-Profile: internetjunky2k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading the back of my Platinum pass, it says good for admission for two years to all Anheiser Busch Adventure Parks.  Not good at Discovery Cove or for special events.  The wording of their own passes seem to indicate they include Acquatica.  My Disney Park Hopper Passes are much clear.  They say they don't apply to parks openned after thus and such date, so they clearly don't apply to new parks. --- On Sat, 6/7/08, george burnash <gburnash@earthlink.net> wrote: From: george burnash <gburnash@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Aquatica To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 1:32 PM Doug Nelson wrote: > > > so my wife was doing some digging on the BG website, and basically it > looks it does indeed not include Aquatica on EXISTING platinum passes. > however, if you were getting a new pass, Aquatica would be included. so > it looks like in the future the platinuim passes will have aquatica > included, with the added cost of course. > > grr... > That's essentially what they told me when I called them the other night about it. Told them I wasn't happy as that's not what I was told when I called before the park opened, or what I was told at Sea World a couple of weeks before the park opened. They logged the complaint, apologized, and basically couldn't/ wouldn't do much else. I would call them though and ask about yours. If I remember right, it hasn't been that long that you've had yours, so it might be on there. Call their passport hotline, have them pull up your specific record and look, and they can tell you over the phone. keep on ridin' George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Mon Jun 09 12:22:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14917 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 19:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 19:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0106.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 19:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0106.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E36247561B for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:22:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.4849ce0b.dbeba for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:17:13 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlITYG5F8qS9QIAAAAB,8c81d8806cf476bd2b9471038cb376a5 Message-ID: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:22:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=pfQ_cAaj67AczYdjwKSkftoR9uYe5YFKBOF6xaY88WqVD1LT-d7L4ewi2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In an accident almost too similar to the one at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom last June, another cable has snapped on an Intamin drop tower, this time on Hurakan Condor at PortAventura (Spain). http://www.coastercravers.net/forums/newspage.php?news=362 This time the crews managed to E-Stop the ride before it dropped. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Jun 09 12:51:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38191 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 19:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 19:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 19:51:26 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so755837anc.42 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:51:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.131.3 with SMTP id e3mr4323748and.4.1213041083613; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:51:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:51:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=TNW2qWHuUgxm8oagD5fH6kKp78wZ4xG_Jo9RiZRcJ-5Apns X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I wonder if we're going to see a major shutdown of these rides, with possibly a stronger cable put in place. I hope parks don't start removing them like after the Edge incident. I've always liked the intamin drop rides better than the s &s variety. But with two incidents so similar, it warrants some kind of change or major investigation into the 2nd gens as a whole. On 6/9/08, Lance wrote: > In an accident almost too similar to the one at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom > last June, another cable has snapped on an Intamin drop tower, this time on > Hurakan Condor at PortAventura (Spain). > http://www.coastercravers.net/forums/newspage.php?news=362 > > This time the crews managed to E-Stop the ride before it dropped. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jun 09 12:55:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65391 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25977 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 19:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Jun 2008 19:55:20 -0000 Message-ID: <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:55:06 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=XFsuTW74iaIGpp_GsrMelLRRPpOrSrvsDKOKXjGnwp5GJzad X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I wonder if we're going to see a major shutdown of these rides, with > possibly a stronger cable put in place. Cables will always break .. I'd bet that the current ones are already many orders of magnitude stronger than they "need" to be. What we may see however, is some sort of automatic system such that the ride shuts itself down if any cable snaps. Glad that no-one was hurt this time. Cameron. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Jun 09 13:14:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83843 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 20:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 20:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 20:14:17 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1059635ywj.23 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr6903708ybz.48.1213042456701; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0806091314y52e0017cqf3030afad0c62639@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:14:16 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=C99siGs2P5dl5PmEQCMZDvCcUWMmpygqTT20jfjObd78YcI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Cables will always break .. I'd bet that the current ones are already > many orders of magnitude stronger than they "need" to be. What we may > see however, is some sort of automatic system such that the ride shuts > itself down if any cable snaps. I believe the Gyro Drops have a system like this in place. Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jun 09 13:18:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98742 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 20:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 20:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 20:18:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9104 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 20:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Jun 2008 20:18:34 -0000 Message-ID: <484D900C.9030700@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:18:20 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> <165816ef0806091314y52e0017cqf3030afad0c62639@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0806091314y52e0017cqf3030afad0c62639@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=eDJAVADoFZ59n--oRiqy0AVsdhjgMLK2apaDyIuMqVeN-D2I X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> Cables will always break .. I'd bet that the current ones are already >> many orders of magnitude stronger than they "need" to be. What we may >> see however, is some sort of automatic system such that the ride shuts >> itself down if any cable snaps. > > I believe the Gyro Drops have a system like this in place. Right .. detecting a cable break is an almost trivial problem to solve. The only tricky thing would be figuring out how to do it on rides which already exist. Cameron. From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jun 09 17:21:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64622 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 00:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 00:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 00:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from [71.98.228.87] (helo=[192.168.1.66]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K5rbk-0002u8-SZ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:21:05 -0400 Message-ID: <484DC8F1.50306@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:21:05 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> <165816ef0806091314y52e0017cqf3030afad0c62639@mail.gmail.com> <484D900C.9030700@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <484D900C.9030700@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4780182ff3a4749f0d9ff37e2b05c485fa5db9e0889ce4f8b9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=lqmwgIklNMz5Ty_nJYIzB_NAn2ypMf2Axg2OvTSbmuGB4SM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > > > >> Cables will always break .. I'd bet that the current ones are already > >> many orders of magnitude stronger than they "need" to be. What we may > >> see however, is some sort of automatic system such that the ride shuts > >> itself down if any cable snaps. > > > > I believe the Gyro Drops have a system like this in place. > > Right .. detecting a cable break is an almost trivial problem to solve. > The only tricky thing would be figuring out how to do it on rides which > already exist. > I'm curious how long it's been since they replaced their cables at Port Aventura. SFKK had gone 4 years. If it's been a similar time frame at all, then it seems that there is rather quick, easy fix- replace the cables more often! SFKK's problems were from lack of taking care of the cables. Should be interesting to see if that's the case here also. keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jun 09 17:48:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95322 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 00:48:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 00:48:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 00:48:39 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2310006wff.27 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:48:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.148.10 with SMTP id v10mr1726559wfd.303.1213058918923; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.101.5 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0806091748n726f4fa1l2d538e6f6cfe507d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:48:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <484DC8F1.50306@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> <165816ef0806091314y52e0017cqf3030afad0c62639@mail.gmail.com> <484D900C.9030700@buzzneon.com> <484DC8F1.50306@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=QVQ2rqRopOqlMQPxvGXS-tUVoc6nFGL65CgqOuIl0yLUAdg17Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's interesting, because I rode Pitt Fall multiple times last week, and in the back of my mind every noise I heard and whatnot, this was always there. It's not that I don't trust Intamin or Kennywood, it's just something that doesn't get out of your head. In the picture you can clearly see that the cable is off to the side right after it breaks. I wonder if, in the situation, had the operator not pressed e-stop, if the outcome would have been nearly as bad as SFKK, or if the cable wrapping around them was just pure, unfortunate luck. -Josh. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:21 PM, george burnash wrote: > Cameron Silver wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Cables will always break .. I'd bet that the current ones are already > > >> many orders of magnitude stronger than they "need" to be. What we may > > >> see however, is some sort of automatic system such that the ride shuts > > >> itself down if any cable snaps. > > > > > > I believe the Gyro Drops have a system like this in place. > > > > Right .. detecting a cable break is an almost trivial problem to solve. > > The only tricky thing would be figuring out how to do it on rides which > > already exist. > > > > I'm curious how long it's been since they replaced their cables at Port > Aventura. SFKK had gone 4 years. If it's been a similar time frame at > all, then it seems that there is rather quick, easy fix- replace the > cables more often! SFKK's problems were from lack of taking care of the > cables. Should be interesting to see if that's the case here also. > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Mon Jun 09 17:52:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82374 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 00:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 00:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 00:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB686C1A07 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.4849ce0b.f10d0 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:41:05 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlITc2h7/g1UQIAAAAB,3796935ae8f4925021d44123ee5f0743 Message-ID: To: References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> <165816ef0806091314y52e0017cqf3030afad0c62639@mail.gmail.com> <484D900C.9030700@buzzneon.com> <484DC8F1.50306@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <484DC8F1.50306@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:46:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=UNqtUW_80ZKrpu_5_65SiUXH3_Z4lGyf5-1mUpjoe1rgGfuKkm0V6X3uMA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > >> Cables will always break .. I'd bet that the current ones are already > >> many orders of magnitude stronger than they "need" to be. What we may > >> see however, is some sort of automatic system such that the ride shuts > >> itself down if any cable snaps. Actually that is not true and should never be the attitude to have. Cables will always WEAR DOWN, but they should never break. Any "ride" that depends on a cable, from Millennium Force's lift hill to your standard sky lift / aerial tram gondola ride... they are never meant to break. Any breakage should be considered a completely unnatural event as a cable break on the aforementioned aerial trams would send the entire line plunging down out of the sky in an instant, resulting in the likely death of everyone on board. Any ride that uses cables should be inspecting them enough to know when they are worn down to the point that they should be replaced as well as having a minimum replacement timeline set when they will be swapped out, needed or not, just in case. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jun 09 21:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13278 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 04:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 04:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 04:34:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 906 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 04:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 10 Jun 2008 04:34:49 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> <165816ef0806091314y52e0017cqf3030afad0c62639@mail.gmail.com> <484D900C.9030700@buzzneon.com> <484DC8F1.50306@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <900EE557-546E-40CE-A973-1487453AD86A@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 23:34:43 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=iJixVvYL1gLL82U9ocdjIrxVvs4jWPLxfZmia-S46nYV-Mpf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >>>> Cables will always break .. I'd bet that the current ones are >>>> already >>>> many orders of magnitude stronger than they "need" to be. What >>>> we may >>>> see however, is some sort of automatic system such that the ride >>>> shuts >>>> itself down if any cable snaps. > > > Actually that is not true and should never be the attitude to have. > Cables will always WEAR DOWN, but they should never break. Sure they do, which is why there is insane redundancy built into the Giant Drops and MF (both of which I believe can run with just a single cable); and even any old elevator. Chair-lifts are obviously different, but the cable inspections and replacement schedules are far more vigorous in that situation (for obvious reasons). My point is that if the ride is engineered so that parts can wear out safely, then there is less waste and less expense. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Swimming. Soccer. Ballet. 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--YCalReminder=50UkpUeDMjfk0FypfzRRK1213077016-1-- From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 10 05:23:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94558 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 12:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 12:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 12:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE836745FD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 X-Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm20.4849ce5f.40fe0 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:23:17 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlITnI1s6VJjAIAAAAB,0dbac019788851f6415777e8097d8c2c Message-ID: <348B8C79432A4933A3D1A9EFEB053DCB@ScreamscapeHP> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:23:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: CoasterMania X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=97mo-k8T1AwH5nRg9f1meLHrROwdScLxxNTuur2BTlj0sUnLehEtpAgRvg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So did anyone attend CoasterMania? I'm looking to confirms what I think may be a bogus rumor going around claiming that at a Q&A session, someone in management confirmed to the group that Mean Streak would be removed. So far I've only seen this mentioned in a couple of private e-mails to me, but not one public report about the event. Anyone know more? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jun 10 06:48:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52026 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 13:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 13:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 13:48:43 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so247403yxp.42 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.102.16 with SMTP id e16mr8500823ybm.80.1213105722769; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0806100648k3574c6c6wdb184ccfa22b8329@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:48:42 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <900EE557-546E-40CE-A973-1487453AD86A@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <792FE68A87624461A1976956112E682E@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0806091251l209f12f6l94c55e00b42604e8@mail.gmail.com> <484D8A9A.4070507@buzzneon.com> <165816ef0806091314y52e0017cqf3030afad0c62639@mail.gmail.com> <484D900C.9030700@buzzneon.com> <484DC8F1.50306@earthlink.net> <900EE557-546E-40CE-A973-1487453AD86A@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=haQ2tr8GMur4nCb71LTOPgt0Pk8sTAvTZMGxC1uNUjskLxk X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Sure they do, which is why there is insane redundancy built into the > Giant Drops and MF (both of which I believe can run with just a > single cable); and even any old elevator. I agree there are redundancies built in to prohibit the vehicle from dropping, but there are only so many things that can be done when a cable breaks to protect guests on the ride. SFKK shows how the cable can injure people, and the cable break on Kingda Ka (and to a lesser extent, Millennium Force), are more examples of why cable breaks in this injury have the potential to be tragic. I agree that parts should have a normal wear expectancy to minimize cost, but they should not be regarded as SOP. Adam From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jun 10 07:40:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 464 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 14:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 14:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 14:40:35 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so629529and.75 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:40:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.105.15 with SMTP id d15mr5507838anc.137.1213108833907; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30806100740h7fb07cb8x6e684ae2cdf83133@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:40:33 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <348B8C79432A4933A3D1A9EFEB053DCB@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <348B8C79432A4933A3D1A9EFEB053DCB@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMania X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=INsax0pU5L0NQ30qIY0a8qHr0IuEEohOwrKodKAeJ0z-y2Ft X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I wasn't paying a ton of attention in the Q&A (we were really only there for the AC, it was hot on Friday) but I think I would have heard that if they'd said it and I don't recall them saying it. They did put on a great event this year though, probably the best coastermania in a while... even gave out free sweatshirts which went very much un-needed with the heat :) Beth On 6/10/08, Lance wrote: > So did anyone attend CoasterMania? > > I'm looking to confirms what I think may be a bogus rumor going around claiming that at a Q&A session, someone in management confirmed to the group that Mean Streak would be removed. So far I've only seen this mentioned in a couple of private e-mails to me, but not one public report about the event. Anyone know more? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Jun 10 07:41:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32872 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 14:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 14:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 14:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bfe.3c6d245d (42809) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:41:38 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMania X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=yKm7eWZQXQgrvuVnHigTnLcF12woDA77y5cZjhxzWRxU221ouQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/10/2008 8:23:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lance@screamscape.com writes: So did anyone attend CoasterMania? I'm looking to confirms what I think may be a bogus rumor going around claiming that at a Q&A session, someone in management confirmed to the group that Mean Streak would be removed. So far I've only seen this mentioned in a couple of private e-mails to me, but not one public report about the event. Anyone know more? I attended Coastermania and the Q&A session. There was a question asked something to that effect about possibly removing Mean Streak. The management did not confirm anything like it being removed. They would never do that. All they ever say are things like, you never know what we might have planned. So, I dont think you will be seeing Mean Streak leaving anytime soon. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Jun 10 08:11:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3719 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 15:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 15:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 15:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cd4.2f8cadf2 (42805) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:11:06 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=atesyxtCwgvFLeax67p2PkvR9FUKI7Sk-STQLbCXIr-KHeEYtA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/10/2008 1:50:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com writes: Reminder from: _RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal) Title: Americana Park opened Date: Tuesday June 10, 2008 Time: All Day Repeats: This event repeats every year. Location: Middletown, Ohio Notes: Americana Park, opened on this date in 1922, in Middletown, OH. In 2002, it was renamed LeSourdsville Lake Amusement Park. Sadly, in 2003 it closed. To this date it is Standing But Not Operating. I need to make some corrections to this. The Park opened in 1922 as Lesourdsville Lake. It was renamed Americana in 1978, and then back to Lesourdsville Lake in 2002. The park closed for good at the end of the 2002 season. Most of the rides have been removed. The steel Serpent coaster was sold to a water park in Saginaw, Michigan and I believe is operating again. The wood coaster, Screechin Eagle still stands, but not operational. Rumors are it will arise again, but nothing confirmed. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jun 10 11:58:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21503 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 18:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 18:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 18:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c0f.2b4b2c0b (37097) for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:58:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.102] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB077-90e9484eced72bf; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:58:31 -0400 Message-ID: <484ECEDC.6020409@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:58:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <348B8C79432A4933A3D1A9EFEB053DCB@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <348B8C79432A4933A3D1A9EFEB053DCB@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMania X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=wh0wHk7nZ4-c3ZzIkaiJBaG6fUKY6LVNCygzmYoPAvP-abgDWg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Lance wrote: > So did anyone attend CoasterMania? > > I'm looking to confirms what I think may be a bogus rumor going around claiming that at a Q&A session, someone in management confirmed to the group that Mean Streak would be removed. So far I've only seen this mentioned in a couple of private e-mails to me, but not one public report about the event. Anyone know more? > I went but did not catch the Q&A, sorry. I think I will later actually write a report on it though, the event was very impressive. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Vader '08 Embrace the Dark Side! McCarthy was RIGHT! From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 18:07:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86756 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 01:07:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 01:07:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 01:07:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64649 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2008 01:07:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CjNIefcVM1ld.lwRhRdgdzO_RjQqeSNsbcXMZq8NwW1Ay0T3Nh2.vktyrvn59Wl0cvU.88qC8BDq X-Received: from [71.127.4.9] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:07:48 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:07:48 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1213121973.2875.37600.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <917943.63821.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ZyUybHnrfDRzdF2E1Y33F5enxZG_583XQUzfZ7zZCmOch5SEEZb- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > The only tricky thing would be figuring out how to do it on rides which already exist. < On the Sky Ride at Mountain Park what they used to do is paint stripes on the cable every 10 feet or so. When the paint wore off, they replaced the cable. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 19:12:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47834 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 02:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 02:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 02:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 02:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 02:12:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 02:12:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:12:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <917943.63821.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.47.170 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Another Drop Tower cable snaps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=8Du6n5ZjEAIS-kEjG5TXEbW-5bdch90JANeO97XrTAkchoV-KA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'm not going to pretend that I'm the expert in all things related to=20 drop towers, or related to steel cable.=20 I will say that in 16 years in the Navy, I've worked with steel cable=20 more than most people. It's always far stronger than the job requires,=20 whether it be for use in a crane, moving a ship sideways in a drydock,=20 in an elevator, or when used in an amusement ride.=20 I'll also say that with regular inspection, steel cable is very, very=20=20 easy to determine when it is wearing out or approaching the end of it's=20 servicibility.=20 I have been certified to operate an Intamin 2nd gen drop tower. I know=20 that the maintenance department inspected every cable on our ride each=20 and every week of operation. In my training, it was explained to me=20 exactly what happened in the original accident, and that precautions=20 were taken at every park in the US to prevent a similar event from=20 occuring again. The towers all went down for extensive inspections and=20 retrofitting of additional safety features.=20 I don't suspect that the incident in Spain will have any noticible=20 effect on the US towers, but some parks may decide to do an extra=20 inspection, just to be certain.=20 I will say that the failure of these cables should NOT be considered an=20 acceptable occurance, for any reason. With proper engineering,=20 maintenance and inspection, it is rediculous that this could happen,=20 especally twice in such a short period of time. Something is horribly=20 wrong, these are supposed to be fun machines, not potential death=20 traps. Port Aventura should have been on top of the game with regards=20 to maintaining and inspecting their tower.=20 The question of what happened in Kentucky has been answered. Only time=20 will tell what happened in Spain.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > The only tricky thing would be figuring out how to > do it on rides which already exist. < >=20 > On the Sky Ride at Mountain Park what they used to do > is paint stripes on the cable every 10 feet or so.=20 > When the paint wore off, they replaced the cable. >=20 > Jay > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 07:42:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72843 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 14:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 14:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 14:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 14:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 14:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 14:42:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:42:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=qXhe4eW-rciUtVeJQ5yDp0Uue8i4zAi_5-YpiVtgb2PkkQ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Brian, Thank-you for the update. I made the corrections this morning. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: >=20 > I need to make some corrections to this. The Park opened in 1922 as=20=20 > Lesourdsville Lake. It was > renamed Americana in 1978, and then back to Lesourdsville Lake in 2002. The=20=20 > park closed for > good at the end of the 2002 season. Most of the rides have been removed. The=20 > steel Serpent coaster > was sold to a water park in Saginaw, Michigan and I believe is operating=20=20 > again. The wood coaster, > Screechin Eagle still stands, but not operational. Rumors are it will arise=20=20 > again, but nothing confirmed. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 07:47:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50386 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 14:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 14:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 14:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 14:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 14:47:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:47:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Deer Acres Storybook Park may have to close X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=LubGOApv5u8eLI5nuAcvzpfz-Dsu2waqngtDzYiRGqqbtbs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 06/06/08 WJRT-ABC 12 http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=3Dnews/local&id=3D6190477 By Rebecca Trylch BAY COUNTY, MI -- It's the last chapter for a Bay County couple who's owned Deer Acres Storybook Amusement Park for 5 decades. The park is located off M-13 in Bay County. But they're hoping someone else is ready write the rest of the story. The park's owners are ready to retire. But that means they either have to close the park or find someone else to buy it. "We were just driving by and figured we'd stop, you know, 'cause we don't know when it's going to close," said William Rosenberg, who frequents the park. Rosenberg's family is one of the many faithful families stopping by just in case. "I think it will bring a lot of tears. I don't want to talk about that," said owner Rodger Cederburg. After years of considering retirement, they've made up their minds. "But for 50 years not having a summer vacation, and really with animals, you don't have a winter vacation, it's time for us to lay back a little bit," Cederburg said. For Cederburg, the park, is a lot more than a business. "It's just everything in here we built, you know, by hand," he said. "You know, I remember my dad and I out here in cold weather making the pumpkin for Peter Pumpkin." His mother played a big role as well. She hand carved every nursery themed character inside the park. It's the family touches that has Rodger desperately searching for a buyer. "It's time for new blood, you know, to come in," he said. He believes a new, younger owner could breath new life into the park. It would also mean avoiding auctioning off everything his family has worked so hard to build up. A few people have already looked at the park, but so far there are no buyers. -------------- Copyright =A92008 WJRT-TV/DT From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 07:54:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34095 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 14:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 14:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 14:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 14:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 14:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 14:54:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:54:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Consumers Fork Out For Cedar Fair X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nnCP5To911AYj9mwVgwLf5JsPIy84W3RETMe2sCDoFimAqI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 06.10.08 Forbes http://www.forbes.com/logistics/2008/06/10/cedar-fair-closer-markets-equity= -cx_ra_0610markets45.html?feed=3Drss_business_logistics By Ruthie Ackerman SANDUSKY, OH -- Now instead of that summer trip to Europe families are staying local, opting for roller coaster rides and water slides rather than the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre -- good news for amusement and water park operator Cedar Fair (CF). Although CF announced on Tuesday that attendance and revenue at its attractions were relatively unchanged through June 1, compared with the prior year, Dick Kinzel, the company's chairman, said the amusement-park operator continues to see strength in season pass sales and overall business. One area where Kinzel said the company saw some weakness was in hotel bookings, which were trailing behind last year at this time. Historically, results through May represent approximately 15% of the company's full-year revenues. CF's shares rose 2.0%, or 43 cents, to $22.29, at the close on Tuesday. "Our early-season results have been somewhat mixed across our properties," Kinzel said. Attendance and revenues have been soft in the northern region, said Kinzel, with the exception of Canada's Wonderland near Toronto because of its roller coaster Behemoth, a $21.0 million addition. Softness in the northern region was offset by improved performances at the southern and western region parks, including Great America in California. FTN Midwest Securities analyst James Hardiman said that the decrease in hotel bookings was probably related to weakness in the northern region, which includes the amusement park Cedar Point (CP). Hardiman said that the cities in the northern region, including Cleveland and Detroit, are 2 of CP's biggest markets. Both have been hit particularly hard by the economic downturn in the U.S. and as a result have seen soaring unemployment and foreclosure rates. "From a geographic standpoint it has been an uphill battle," Hardiman said. Last month, regional theme park operator Six Flags announced it had lowered the price of admission at its St. Louis, MO location by $10.00, hoping to lure families seeking more value for their entertainment dollars. Meanwhile, Disney reported last month that its theme parks were pulling in more revenues than had been expected. What's helping Disney, particularly in Orlando, is that more foreigners are visiting, taking advantage of the weak U.S. dollar. Amusement park operators have been having a rough time of late. An index of amusement center and theme park stocks kept by Revere Research is down 34.0% in the past year, including a 1.8% decline on Tuesday. CF's shares have fallen 21.1% in the past year, and the company was unprofitable in 2007, in part because of increased interest costs related to an acquisition and to a charge to change an Ohio attraction from an amusement park to a water park. "With approximately 85% of the annual attendance and revenues at our seasonal parks still to come, it is still too early to draw any conclusions about our full-year results based on these early-season trends," said Kinzel. But he reassured investors that he was confident that the company's 2008 attendance and revenue goals are within reach. The company has forecast sales of $990.0 million to $1.02 billion and cash flow of $340.0 million to $355.0 million, compared with $987.0 million of sales and $340.1 million of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. CF will provide a mid-season update on attendance and revenue trends through the month of July in its 2nd-quarter earnings release, which it expects to release on August 5. The company owns and operates 11 amusement parks, 6 outdoor water parks, 1 indoor water park and 5 hotels and is one of the largest regional amusement park operators in the world. ---------------- =A9 2008 Forbes.com LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 08:17:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66115 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 15:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 15:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 15:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:17:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:17:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Zoomers' Bumpy Foreclosure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RfuoPq615NloMnAREG1wW68-EAFxZEpAjOYveqEkMQ6qEq8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 6, 2008 News-Press http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080606/BUSINESS/80= 6060370 By Dick Hogan FORT MYERS BEACH, FL -- Florida Community Bank on Thursday took back the ill-fated Zoomers Family Amusement Park in a foreclosure sale and intends to sell it - for now. Zoomers, first announced in 2002, sits almost complete on Summerlin Road south of Pine Ridge Road on the way to Fort Myers Beach. The bank's attorney, Jeffrey Leasure, made the only bid for the bank at today's foreclosure sale at the Lee County Courthouse and thus got it back for the bank to help satisfy the bank's $11.4 million judgment against the company and its manager/member, Englewood orthopedic surgeon Dr. Ronald Heromin. But, Leasure said, Heromin filed for Chapter 11 personal bankruptcy protection in federal court on Wednesday - freezing the foreclosure sale of the doctor's house and 2 lots in Sarasota County. Those sales were also scheduled for Thursday. Leasure said Heromin's bankruptcy attorney, Venice-based Murray Fitzhugh, maintains that the bankruptcy filing should also stop the Zoomers foreclosure sale. But Leasure said he was able to persuade Lee County Circuit Judge Mark Steinbeck to OK the Zoomers sale by the county clerk of courts. Leasure said he'll fight any attempt by Heromin to get the amusement park back. "They can file whatever they file." Fitzhugh could not be reached for comment. But Steve Price, president of Immokalee-based Florida Community, said the bank will push ahead with plans to sell Zoomers. "We are going to contact the people who have expressed interest in developing it as a fun park previously." If those potential buyers aren't interested, Price said, the bank will turn the project over to a commercial real estate broker within a few weeks. The bank offered last year to sell the amusement park first to see if it would satisfy Heromin's debt without the need to sell the rest of his property, Price said, but the doctor refused to go along. "If we'd gotten it at that time, we'd probably have got enough money we wouldn't have sold the house. But the real estate market's deteriorated to such an extent that's probably not possible now." In his original $9 million construction loan from the bank, Heromin put up as security not only Zoomers but investments of at least $770,000, his house, 2 lots, and the assets and accounts receivable of his medical practice. In the bankruptcy reorganization petition filed Wednesday, Heromin lists 14 creditors owed $162,357. The biggest is Bank of America with 5 credit cards totaling $136,810. The park =97 featuring video arcades, kiddie rides and a go-kart track that winds its way through the main building =97 was first announced in November 2002 as Fort Myers Family Fun Park with plans to open in about a year. But it wasn't built that quickly, and construction was interrupted when Hurricane Charley roared through in August 2004. The same thing happened in October 2005 when Hurricane Wilma hit town. In August 2006, the investors announced that Zoomers was for sale for $15.7 million and Osprey-based Zoomers Holding Co. LLC, which owns the park, filed for reorganization under federal bankruptcy laws. Because of that bankruptcy filing and another one filed subsequently, the property's foreclosure sale had been delayed until Thursday. ------------- Copyright =A92007 News-Press.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jun 11 08:20:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90391 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 15:20:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 15:20:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.231) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 15:20:49 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so4367105rvf.41 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr3998301rvo.174.1213197649361; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:20:49 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Consumers Fork Out For Cedar Fair X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=UDOi9Ay_1bl58RZMYwD2H-4X2M7bmmwAg3zIVDWxrTPxKx1aHcRthqY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > SANDUSKY, OH -- Now instead of that summer trip to Europe families are > staying local, opting for roller coaster rides and water slides rather > than the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre... > Although CF announced on Tuesday that attendance and revenue at its > attractions were relatively unchanged through June 1, Is it just me, or do these two statements contradict each other? If attendance is unchanged at CF properties, then on what the heck do they base the claim that people are staying local vs traveling abroad? -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 08:20:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84213 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 15:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 15:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 15:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:20:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:20:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Darien Lake fight ends with 4 arrests X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=KgB8svvw3APK4e94-N07_MH8UyjQzy9ntG2GQoopm44w2e8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 06/10/08 The Buffalo News http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/otherwny/story/366603.html DARIEN CENTER, NY -- 4 young men in their teens and early 20s were arrested Sunday evening after being accused of fighting inside the Darien Lake amusement park, Genesee County sheriff's officials reported today. Deputies charged a 16-y.o. from Buffalo; Joshua A. Bush, 19; Nathan L. Bush, 23; and Matthew A. Singleton, 20, all of of St. Catharines, Ont., with disorderly conduct. Singleton also was charged with attempted criminal mischief. Deputies accused him of trying to kick out the rear window of a sheriff's patrol car. All 4 were arraigned in Darien Town Court and sent to the Genesee County Jail, Singleton on $500 bail, the other 3 on $250 each. --------------- =A9 2008 The Buffalo News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 08:55:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62314 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 15:55:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 15:55:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.133) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 15:55:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:55:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:55:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:55:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:55:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Judge Reopens Wild West Sale Process X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=4U_hghMXKhUjIyRCEQDtckbcLDw0OMLBo_HAMufdnohVEc0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jun 10, 2008 KAKE-TV http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/19717804.html TULSA, OK -- U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Nugent said Tuesday morning that the sale process of Wild West World will reopen to other potential buyers. The deal put together by a Tulsa-based amusement park group failed to close by the court's deadline, allowing 3 other groups to come forward and submit their competing bids. One of the potential bidders is local oilman Wink Hartman. The other 2 are less known. One involves the Foley name of Foley Tractor and the other is known by the initials A.H.G. Judge Nugent will hold an evidentiary hearing next Tuesday to see if the sale can move forward. "I think there's a sense that this has been here long enough and it would be nice to see something developed in terms of the sale. As the judge noted there are costs associated with maintenance of the property every month and those costs go on. And it's not doing anybody any good right now to wait any longer," said Bill Zimmerman, Unsecured Creditor's Committee Attorney. The judge's decision to reopen the sale does not mean that the Murphy Brothers Exposition of Tulsa is out of the deal. Judge Nugent wants another hearing to find out if the court can get more for the property and whether there are other things it can be used for other than an amusement park. --------------- Gray Television Group, Inc. - Copyright =A9 2002-2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 08:59:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75661 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 15:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 15:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 15:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 15:59:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:59:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 'Ghost hunters' arrested for trespassing at Magic Landing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Dgh7k_wTq88xWw9imlc1XDXB_hOUcN5UQPY1Fi9l3ZAzTa4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 6, 2008 KVIA-ABC http://www.kvia.com/global/story.asp?s=3D8439088 EL PASO, TX -- 6 people were arrested early Thursday morning at the Magic Landing Amusement Park. The group was apparently 'ghost hunting' on the grounds of the abandoned park. Someone in the area called police after they saw flashing lights coming from the grounds. According to deputies, they heard noises and light coming from different areas inside the park. After they realized they were alone, all the suspects began running toward their cars, but deputies quickly caught up with them, investigators said. 5 men and 1 woman were arrested and charged with criminal trespassing. The suspects are Jorge Montoya, 17, Gerardo Santoyo, 18, Felipe Ochoa, 23, Carmen Salazar, 17, Rene Nunez, 21, and John Carrillo, 20. Magic Landing is private property that is surrounded by a fence and signs posted "No Trespassing." In April, Sheriff Deputies, along with several volunteer Fire Departments, were called to the same property in reference to an Arson Fire that caused an estimated $485,000 worth of damage. Property owners advised Sheriff Deputies they would file charges against anyone else caught on their properties without their consent. -------------- =A9 Copyright 2002 - 2008 WorldNow and KVIA From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 09:03:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1087 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 16:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 16:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 16:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 16:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 16:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 16:03:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:03:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Norway Fairground safety reports to be made public X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uagJLYbKzjZhq95NSFk71bFoRJGjB5LHVBsKKrTB6hE6dB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 11 Jun 2008 Aftenposten http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2477208.ece By Sven Goll NORWAY -- As summer arrives and the school holidays begin, several hundred thousand Norwegians will flock to fairgrounds and amusement parks. Now they may feel safer, since inspectors' reports will finally be made public. "I don't know why these safety reports have been kept confidential, but I can guarantee that they will be open to inspection in future," says Magnhild Meltveit Kleppa, Minister of Local Government and Regional Development. She adds that in general Norwegian fun fair equipment is safe and that the problems described in safety reports are minor. Newspaper Aftenposten had asked for copies of reports made after annual public inspections. Authorities in charge of park and fairground safety initially turned down the request, saying the reports contained too much data and that they didn't want to expose individual ride operators to criticism. This ruling was overturned late on Tuesday, after Aftenposten had written about the reports being kept secret. "We already release information beyond the required minimum and everything we do is intended for the public," says authority chief Roar Moe. Norway's biggest ride operator says it will publish safety report findings relating to their equipment. The last inspection at their amusement park listed 4 faults. These included cutting back the shrubs next to a miniature train, repairing a guardrail and replacing a rubber damper. ------------------ =A9 Aftenposten Multimedia From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 09:09:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87512 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 16:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2008 16:09:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:09:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Water park owner in sanctions over immigration rules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hxe3Dnn6RV0Frhy2YPP29oH99N0Vo8QtQ1IpoP9qfz2zau8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 10, 2008 Phoenix Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/06/09/daily36.html?ana=3Dfr= om_rss by Mike Sunnucks PHOENIX, AZ -- The owner of 2 Phoenix area water parks being investigated by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas to determine whether the parks are employing illegal immigrants Tuesday, said it is abiding by immigration laws and protocols. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office served search warrants at Golfland Entertainment Center Inc.-owned Waterworld and Golfland/Sunsplash parks Tuesday to see if the amusement parks were violating the state's employer sanctions law, the Legal Arizona Workers Act. The investigation will look at whether the water parks knowingly hired illegal immigrants. Arpaio's office said Tuesday it had made some arrests in the actions. In a statement, Golfland Entertainment Center said it has been "abiding by all the provisions detailed in the Act". That includes using the E-Verify, a federal electronic database that verifies workers legal status. GEC said it has systems in place to determine workers' status and is cooperating with the investigation. The 2 parks and another GEC-owned water park, BigSurf in Tempe, remain open, the company said. The Golfland/Sunsplash park is located in Mesa, and the Waterworld facility is in the northwest Phoenix area. According to the company's Web site, there are also 6 Golfland water parks in California. This is the first public action taken by Arpaio and Thomas on the employer sanctions law. They must prove violating businesses knowingly hired illegal immigrants. ---------------- =A9 2008 American City Business Journals, Inc. From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Jun 11 22:50:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67556 invoked by uid 7800); 12 Jun 2008 05:50:19 -0000 Date: 12 Jun 2008 05:50:19 -0000 Message-ID: <1213249819.10.67555.m56@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=5QLxAxX0pUh5Kf9Cy3tFCYYdD8WnBXY1213249816-1" --YCalReminder=5QLxAxX0pUh5Kf9Cy3tFCYYdD8WnBXY1213249816-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Thompson's Scenic Railway opened Thursday June 12, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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Title:   Thompson's Scenic Railway opened
 
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--YCalReminder=5YPXlLjDxYXjESoxL6Lt8wYO2PE1213249816-1-- From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 08:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89195 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 15:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 15:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 15:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2008 15:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2008 15:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2008 15:34:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=ePy-v-_ViTFJ0pDmtn98GPD94z1HyqNIPL4p7is7Ol-pTHAy69yG-oE X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Does anyone know when the Flying Turns at Knoebel's is projected to be=20 finished? Planning a trip for late August and hoping that it's done by=20 than! Thanks Matt From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Jun 12 08:54:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59436 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 15:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 15:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 15:54:08 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so744876anc.37 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.57.6 with SMTP id f6mr2246075ana.155.1213286048358; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30806120854o23250545p6ce553e9493cd729@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:54:08 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=h01ZIwaEb_2tTdYIt5AAh1HMkzWT4KEzpF6L1OumTLKbbeso X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons AFAIK, they are still working out some bugs with the trains and are basically going with "it'll open when it opens"... I'm sure they are still hoping for sometime this season, but it'll open when it opens. On 6/12/08, Matt wrote: > Does anyone know when the Flying Turns at Knoebel's is projected to be > finished? Planning a trip for late August and hoping that it's done by > than! Thanks > Matt > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Jun 12 10:38:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13827 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 17:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 17:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 17:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ca9.28dafdf7 (37251) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:38:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.104] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA071-918348515f211fb; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:38:42 -0400 Message-ID: <48515F21.8070807@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:38:41 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=lSL0CEiB6rvI4EPVvFUCthGrvlRGDcVPx_VfFAmYZn_NuJEgIA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Matt wrote: > Does anyone know when the Flying Turns at Knoebel's is projected to be > finished? Planning a trip for late August and hoping that it's done by > than! Thanks > Matt > Unfortunately, your guess is as good as anyone else's. They are having a problem with the trains where one wheel is coming slightly off the track as one point, and they just can't quite get it fixed. They prefer to have all the wheels on the track at all times before they open it. It may be open by then, or it may not. Cross your fingers. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Vader '08 Embrace the Dark Side! McCarthy was RIGHT! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 12 22:50:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98860 invoked by uid 7800); 13 Jun 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Date: 13 Jun 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1213336216.9.98859.m42@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=IFgP4g6OuB6x03wVr1zEeCJtkVyunEL1213336212-1" --YCalReminder=IFgP4g6OuB6x03wVr1zEeCJtkVyunEL1213336212-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Gravity Pleasure Switch Back Railway opened Friday June 13, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Brooklyn, New York Notes: On this date in 1884, Gravity Pleasure Switch Back Railway opened at Coney Island - LaMarcus Thompson in Brooklyn, New York. This is credited as being the first Shuttle coaster. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=IFgP4g6OuB6x03wVr1zEeCJtkVyunEL1213336212-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Gravity Pleasure Switch Back Railway opened
 
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--YCalReminder=IFgP4g6OuB6x03wVr1zEeCJtkVyunEL1213336212-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 05:35:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84398 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2008 12:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2008 12:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2008 12:35:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84954 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2008 12:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from [72.79.202.92] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:35:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <813438.84081.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Os766KKQbtJutcu53f2DK_5gvUX2OupKpyvHg0f19CaNCaMvvmQW X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I've also heard that the trains were tearing up the track in certain places. Knoebel's has been very patient with this ride. They've been flying by the seat of their pants the whole way. They don't have a lot of information on how the original ride was constructed, so they're learning as they build it. They're understandably cautious, and that's the right way to do it. Jay From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 08:05:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42036 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2008 15:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2008 15:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2008 15:05:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2008 15:05:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2008 15:05:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:05:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <813438.84081.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=YzYgfM8VWtxtn0vDlhrjwQbeXIteMKlEsmin5RoKZLM2wuVGU2CM28E X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > I've also heard that the trains were tearing up the track in=20 certain places. Knoebel's has been very patient with this ride.=20=20 They've been flying by the seat of their pants the whole way. They=20 don't have a lot of information on how the original ride was=20 constructed, so they're learning as they build it. They're=20 understandably cautious, and that's the right way to do it. >=20 > Jay > Totally agree!! Thanks for all the info everyone. Guess I will be=20 crossing my fingers for this one! I'll also be crossing my fingers=20 that my 6 year old daughter falls in love with the Phoenix and=20 Twister! It's hard to believe that you only have to be 42" to ride=20 both of these and I really hope they're not too much for her. So=20 far it's only been Goofy's Barnstormer and Speedy Gonzalez at Family=20 Kindgom in Myrtle Beach so it's going to be a little bit of a jump.=20=20 So far she's loved every ride she's been on though so I'm thinking=20 she'll love them!=20=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Jun 13 22:50:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85876 invoked by uid 7800); 14 Jun 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Date: 14 Jun 2008 05:50:15 -0000 Message-ID: <1213422615.17.85875.m53@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=DZgCFAUErz5c6Fn3eUt3APcFBA1213422614-1" --YCalReminder=DZgCFAUErz5c6Fn3eUt3APcFBA1213422614-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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Notes:   Matterhorn Bobsleds opened on this date in 1959, at Disneyland in Anaheim, CA. It is credited as the first tubular-steel roller coaster. It also uses two "lakes" as a natural braking system.
 
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--YCalReminder=DZgCFAUErz5c6Fn3eUt3APcFBA1213422614-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 17:22:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41461 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 00:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 00:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 00:22:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14753 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 00:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.241.27] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:22:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:22:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1213378793.2712.41632.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <45846.13533.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=oi3nLY2lGzfApMGGJKzuladDTL0Sd5GwHg0FJb1SvFLicOl7AC7e X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I'll also be crossing my fingers that my 6 year old daughter falls in love with the Phoenix and Twister! < Well Phoenix I can see her falling in love with; it's just plain fun. Ride that one first. Twister though is pretty intense. Ride it early in the day with her (so it's a little slower) and let her know it'll be a lot different from Phoenix. Who knows? She might like it even more than Phoenix! Good luck. Wish we were there with you! Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 10:17:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79277 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 17:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 17:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 17:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 17:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 17:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 17:17:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:17:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Manager of theme park says he's 'just a big kid at heart' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=c0_2VBg0wEsgznzFVrLR2TngOwb5o3J56Jn8EHm4sKeaM8I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 15, 2008 The Oklahoman http://newsok.com/manager-of-theme-park-says-hes-just-a-big-kid-at-heart/ar= ticle/3257335 By Debbie Blossom OKLAHOMA CITY, OK -- On a wall in the office of Frontier City (FC) GM Stephen Ball hangs a large, framed photograph of a crowd of park visitors watching a staged Western-theme gunfight. And in one corner, along with his brother and parents, is a very young Ball, soaking it all in. "That's me," said Ball, who clearly remembers that long-ago day at FC. "My family probably came here once a year during the 1980s." It might seem like fate that an adoring fan of the 50-y.o. Oklahoma City Western theme park is now its manager, but in reality the Guthrie native's long association with FC and his loyalty to what it represents are behind his rise to the executive suite. In March, after working his way up the job ranks for 17 years, Ball was named GM by the FC's new owners. "This is my dream job," he admits. And though it may have seemed like an awfully long ride to the top, it never bothered Ball. "I just did what I like doing. ... I would say I'm just a big kid at heart," he said. Overseeing FC's operations takes a head for business, as well as understanding the quirks of this particular industry. 'Part of the love of the job' Planning for a summer of fun, it seems, is hard work. During the busy season, Ball works about 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. But to prepare for the park's springtime opening, "it's nothing in our business to work 90-hour weeks," he said. The long hours "are part of the love of the job," he said. FC is open only 130 days a year, so every day is an important step to a profitable year. "We're all about the entertainment and the experience," he said. A theme park such as FC is a bustling mix of merchandise and food sales, rides and games, variety shows, a concert series, a full-time staff of 30 and hundreds of seasonal employees. Working his way up Ball began absorbing FC's work environment as a high school student in 1991, when his talents as an amateur magician helped him land a summer job presiding over 5 daily flea circus shows. He next performed magic in a children's theater show before being included in a magic show for grownups. Ball also spent time running a period photo studio and taking pictures of visitors entering FC's front gate. He also spent the summer of 1993 in Maryland at a similar park under the same ownership as FC, and recalled it was then that he realized his interest in FC went beyond performing in shows. "I remember telling myself I wanted to be involved in FC's operations," he said. Ball soon had his chance. His 1st full-time position was as human resources director over both FC and White Water Bay. For the next few years he served in positions supervising retail and game operations, as well as the midway. Growing with the park It was 2001, and at that time FC was part of the Six Flags family of parks based here. And despite his tenure in Oklahoma City, Ball said he almost left to manage a sister park in Kentucky. But he stayed and was offered the position of director of revenue. "I'm fortunate someone saw my love and desire for not just theme parks but for FC," Ball said. That passion remains today, and Ball credits that with his success. "You have to grow up in a park to understand the overwhelming sense of urgency that is a theme park," he says. "If you haven't, you won't be in tune with it all." Ball said his new career is starting just as FC's new owners =97 Jacksonville, FL-based PARC Management recently bought the park =97 are investing millions in renovating and upgrading the facility. "It is a new beginning for FC, and for me," he said. -------------- =A92008 Produced by NewsOK.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 10:34:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4313 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 17:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 17:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.132) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 17:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 17:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 17:34:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 17:34:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:34:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: JL Audio & Hard Rock Create New Ride Experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yc_nW8yOthVMnLOCqtTnzj1fC6qYoOP6FOTN-AyRy798Te8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 16, 2008 Mobile Electronics Magazine http://www.me-mag.com/ArticleReader.aspx?NewsId=3D5309 MIRAMAR, FL -- When Hard Rock Park (HRP), a 55-acre Rock N' Roll theme park in Myrtle Beach, S.C., officially opened to the public on June 2, the park turned to JL Audio in their quest to create an entirely new performance benchmark for on-board audio in four of its key attractions, according to the company. The goal was to immerse riders with clean, powerful sound that would rival a live concert, the company stated. The park features over 50 attractions for rockers of all ages, including live shows, thrilling rides, restaurants, live musical entertainment and more. Operators expect to draw 3 million visitors each year. "This has been such an exciting project because it combines great music and top-flight audio quality to energize the experience of these incredible attractions," said Andy Oxenhorn, president of JL Audio. "The rides at HRP will expose millions of music lovers to the quality of JL Audio products and will encourage them to look into our mobile, marine, and home audio products." 3 of the JL Audio-equipped attractions honor such legendary rock bands as Led Zeppelin, The Eagles and The Moody Blues. A 4th ride pays homage to the British Invasion of the 1960s. Each attraction will thrill riders visually, viscerally and audibly, thanks to high-power JL Audio amplification and speaker systems built into the ride's vehicles, the company stated. The Led Zeppelin ride is HRP's signature roller coaster. It rises 155' into the sky (15 stories tall) and boasts 6 breathtaking inversions, the largest of which is a 120'-loop. The thrilling drops and loops are all synchronized to Led Zeppelin's classic hit "Whole Lotta Love," creating a truly revolutionary, adrenaline-pumping experience for its riders. Each train features over 2,000 watts of JL Audio power driving 32 component speaker systems (one for each rider). The "Moody Blues' Nights in White Satin" ride offers a mind-bending indoor journey, choreographed to a special version of the band's symphonic rock masterpiece. The music has been re-orchestrated specifically for HRP by Justin Hayward, who originally composed the song more than 40 years ago. The ride incorporates sights, sounds, smells and tactile techniques that immerse riders of all ages. The audio portion of the multi-sensory experience is delivered by on-board JL Audio component speakers and amplifiers, according to the company. "Eagles Life in the Fast Lane" is HRP's longest roller coaster ride and belts out the Eagles' hit "Life in The Fast Lane" during a classic runaway-mine-train experience. Each train accommodates 24 people and features over 2,000 watts of JL Audio power driving a JL Audio speaker in front of each seat to provide an immersing sound experience. "Maximum RPM" is located in the British Invasion portion of the Park. This attraction seats riders in Mini Coopers that are equipped with 6 JL Audio speakers and one 600 watt amplifier, taking them on a wild roller coaster ride. The attraction includes an amazing Ferris-wheel-type structure that lifts the cars and riders into place for the initial drop. Each of the 4 attractions will display signs with the announcement that JL Audio is the exclusive sound system of the ride. --------------- =A9 2008 Mobile Electronics From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 13:07:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19394 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 20:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 20:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 20:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 20:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 20:06:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:06:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Nashville may see 2 Bible theme parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=M7y9nQvNhxYbQ9KVG5MLT77lOwD0w9ZM4peITbNnAYuDLdM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 16, 2008 Gannett Tennessee The Leaf Chronicle http://theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080616/NEWS01/80= 6160320 By Jennifer Brooks NASHVILLE, TN -=97 Nashville could be facing a future with not one, but two Bible theme parks in its backyard. The nation's only existing Bible park, The Holy Land Experience (THLE), is planning an expansion into Middle Tennessee. Meanwhile, a group of developers is shopping around for a site to build a rival theme park: Bible Park USA. Christian broadcasting giant Trinity Broadcasting Network owns THLE and may soon shift some of its exhibits from the Orlando theme park to a new home in Hendersonville's Trinity Music City, which TBN also owns. "The plan is to export some of the Holy Land to Trinity Music City," TBN spokesman John Casoria said. That could mean dueling religious theme parks in an area where some people don't want even one. Bible Park USA ran into community protests when it attempted to buy land outside Murfreesboro. Beyond that, industry observers wonder why anyone would want to build even one new theme park in the current economy. Theme parks across the country are struggling with sagging attendance and falling revenues, and religious theme parks in particular have had a poor track record of success. "This is not a good time to be opening theme parks," said Dennis Spiegel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc., an industry consulting firm. "And history has shown us that Bible theme parks just haven't done well." Bible Park USA's investors says Middle Tennessee is big enough for the two of them. "There's an old Jewish saying. 'When it rains on the market, everyone gets wet,' " said Bible Park USA CEO Ronen Paldi, who spent years running faith-based tours to historic religious sites in the Middle East before coming up with the idea of bringing the Holy Land to the faithful as well. The yearlong campaign to build the park near Murfreesboro fell apart this spring in the face of determined resistance from residents who didn't want a $180 million, 200-acre theme park in their neighborhood. The developers are now shopping the proposal around to other communities, including Lebanon. If Trinity Music City =97 the former home of singer Conway Twitty and his Twitty City entertainment complex =97 branches out into the Bible park business as well, Paldi said, "It cannot be better news for us." "It only reinforces what we've been saying: that Middle Tennessee is a destination for faith-based travel," he said. Faith meets fun Christian entertainment is a booming $8-billion-a-year industry, running the gamut from television, movies and music to Christian wrestling. And every few years, somebody sets out to add Bible theme parks to the mix, notes Daniel Radosh, author of Rapture Ready!: Adventures in the Parallel Universe of Christian Pop Culture. For evangelical Christians, Radosh said, faith isn't just something to be expressed in church on Sunday, it's something you express in the way you live your life =97 and that includes the family vacation. "It's a desire to do something meaningful with your time," he said. "It's the equivalent of ecotourism. You're doing this not just because it's a fun vacation. ... You're saving the rain forest while you're enjoying your luxury vacation." Radosh, who visited THLE while he was researching his book, noted, however, that even the most faithful faith-based tourists have their limits. "Everyone I talked to said they were enjoying themselves. But they were probably not enjoying themselves the way they had at Disney World a few days before," he said. "The tension between entertainment and edification may be too great." Historically, faith-based theme parks have struggled to stay afloat. In the 1960s, Gerald L.K. Smith, a virulent anti-Semite, set out to build a Bible theme park in the heart of the Ozark Mountains. His New Holy Land theme park never got off the ground, but it launched one of the most popular Christian entertainment destinations in the country =97 The Great Passion Play. Performed throughout the year in Eureka Springs, AR, the play has been seen by some 7.5 million people over the past 40 years, making it the largest outdoor performance in the country. Inspired by the New Holy Land experiment, televangelists Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker launched their own Christian theme park, Heritage USA. The park was a sprawling 2,300-acre complex that boasted water slides, a hotel and conference center and even a Disneylike castle. For a while in the 1980s, Heritage USA was one of the biggest entertainment destinations in the country, ranked 3rd behind Disneyland and Disney World. But when Bakker's ministry fell to scandal, Heritage USA fell with him and the park was abandoned to weeds and decay for the next 2 decades. Does profit taint the message? THLE struggled for years in the shadow of Orlando's flashier theme parks. TBN bought the debt-strapped park for $37 million in 2007 and has pumped in millions more to improve its facilities. "It's not a Disneyland. There are no roller coasters, there are no big rides," said TBN spokesman Casoria. "We are focused around the faith-based life. It's not entertainment, this goes to the person's soul." The park stages daily re-enactments of the Crucifixion and the Resurrection =97 heavy fare for the average tourist. But those who seek it out don't tend to be your average tourists. "They have an exquisite collection of Bibles, one of the largest private collections in the world," said Scott Fleming, a student at Baptist College in Florida who was skeptical about the park when it first opened in Orlando, but found it "pretty solid" on his first visit. THLE operates as a tax-exempt religious enterprise. Bible Park USA, while it has worked closely with a coalition of academic theologians to plan its exhibits, is still a secular venture. If built, Bible Park USA would be the first Bible park launched as a business venture. Some wonder whether that could alienate the park's core audience. Flemming, for one, isn't thrilled with the idea. "If it's for profit, I probably wouldn't go," said the Florida student, who hopes to attend a Baptist seminary once he's out of school. "If it was for ministry or education, I'd go." ---------------- Copyright =A92008 The Leaf Chronicle From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 16:30:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1407 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 23:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 23:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 23:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 23:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 23:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 23:30:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:30:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: PR: JL Audio & Hard Rock Create New Ride Experience X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=efZBsrgMvC3IG1DuSaijVUB84BefNxCtB8cXtxiHwbLRJLmR_cV1 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 I've been partly deaf since I was a toddler, and I can say without=20 qualification that the sound on Zep and L.I.T.F.L. is absolutely=20 terrific, and crystal clear. It can even be heard over the patented=20 B&M "roar" of Zep. Nights in White Satin sounded fine, but I was a=20 little too wrapped up in the cool visuals to appreciate the music, to=20 be honest. I'd just like to know who made the decision to remove all=20 original vocals from the Eagles tune. 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Inc. All Rights R= eserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jun 17 12:01:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32758 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2008 19:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2008 19:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2008 19:01:24 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 31so527095yxl.25 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.47.7 with SMTP id z7mr13331299ybj.126.1213729283721; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0806171201m4e3e76e5q5a4a36a626c32fb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:01:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: WWW Photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=rnAJM7Lb_alAqMWEZamnj1MQhNVkqtxlu81iUMew7qo7h1w X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Does anyone know of any online photo arrays that were taken in Wild West World's short life? Adam From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 17 12:17:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25261 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2008 19:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2008 19:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2008 19:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEDA3CAB94 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:17:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 X-Received: by dm24.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm24.4850918e.78997 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:17:34 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIWA3OTrZUWgIAAAAB,cfdc973d9439eb52f0908373ce9b34e5 Message-ID: <29B86A77B7744037ADDFD20A1E11B507@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <165816ef0806171201m4e3e76e5q5a4a36a626c32fb6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0806171201m4e3e76e5q5a4a36a626c32fb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:17:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: WWW Photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=iVaEntc4sp8QOC4syTUS9qDt_qpA4zmFv8heldHpQKITZX7pYx3Upvlt3w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam, I've got about 300 various photos taken before it opened, a few during it's brief life, and a bunch taken after it closed sent to me by various sources that I used at various times for news coverage on Screamscape. Are you looking for something in particular? Otherwise I could try to zip them all up and send them your way to look through. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Sandy To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: WWW Photos Does anyone know of any online photo arrays that were taken in Wild West World's short life? Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jun 17 12:44:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47275 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2008 19:44:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2008 19:44:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2008 19:44:28 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so503337yxf.62 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr13348501ybf.225.1213731867838; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0806171244k48d44cd2vc2d84388782daf74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:44:27 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <29B86A77B7744037ADDFD20A1E11B507@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <165816ef0806171201m4e3e76e5q5a4a36a626c32fb6@mail.gmail.com> <29B86A77B7744037ADDFD20A1E11B507@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: WWW Photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=UzMsOS913t2uak1X--6vpMB9mXkWfPiRTt4vBCTDGBvpKcs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Really I am looking for photos of: Crop Duster, Mini Swing, Spinning Coaster, Tornado and Himalaya. If you have any of these I would be interested. Adam On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Lance wrote: > Adam, I've got about 300 various photos taken before it opened, a few during > it's brief life, and a bunch taken after it closed sent to me by various > sources that I used at various times for news coverage on Screamscape. Are > you looking for something in particular? Otherwise I could try to zip them > all up and send them your way to look through. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adam Sandy > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:01 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: WWW Photos > > Does anyone know of any online photo arrays that were taken in Wild > West World's short life? > > Adam > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jun 17 22:50:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14725 invoked by uid 7800); 18 Jun 2008 05:50:19 -0000 Date: 18 Jun 2008 05:50:19 -0000 Message-ID: <1213768219.8.14724.m46@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=bVKvz5HyT1AnolHXX92aU4uJU2JQzAC1213768213-1" --YCalReminder=bVKvz5HyT1AnolHXX92aU4uJU2JQzAC1213768213-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=AbHySEVVFNwbXOFeDIMsqBqDK1213854612-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 07:19:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33180 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2008 14:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2008 14:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2008 14:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 14:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 14:19:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:19:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Toy Story ride debuts as first stage of park upgrade X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=l6OdNz03ZGrhgQiLKhRLMdnlwowFbHIWAuTlDrv3am5CN7I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jun 18, 2008 Reuters http://uk.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUKN1738265220080617?s= p=3Dtrue By Gina Keating & Gary Hill ANAHEIM, CA -- With typical confetti-and-fireworks fanfare, the Walt Disney Co on Tuesday opened the 1st new attraction of a $1 billion, 5-year push to draw more visitors to its underperforming Anaheim theme park, Disney's California Adventure (DCA). In Toy Story Mania, visitors ride in swiveling cars through a 3D animated landscape populated by characters from the groundbreaking computer-animated Pixar film "Toy Story," and shoot at targets for points. While an identical attraction opened last month with little fanfare at the company's biggest park in both size and revenue, Walt Disney World (WDW) in Florida, Toy Story Mania signals a new chapter for the 7-y.o. Anaheim park, whose attendance numbers have never measured up to expectations. "This is a big step for us, particularly in the summer," Disney CEO Bob Iger told reporters at the ride's debut. "This should be very popular for us." The upgrades to DCA, announced late last year, "are just getting under way" and will conclude with the opening of Cars Land in 2012, Iger said. He did not disclose the cost of the ride. DCA ranked 13th in attendance last year among U.S. theme parks, with 5.7 million visitors, according to the Theme Entertainment Association's 2007 attendance report. Its sister park, Disneyland, ranked 2nd in the U.S. with 14.9 million visitors, behind the Magic Kingdom at WDW with 17 million visitors in 2007. Improving the return on invested capital at DCA is "a complicated question," Iger said on Tuesday. "Obviously what we are doing with expansion and change is to significantly improve return on investment," he said. "The return on invested capital for the entire Disneyland Resort has been getting better for the last 3 or 4 years." Iger declined to give an update on the overall performance of Disney's parks business, which analysts are closely watching for signs that U.S. economic woes are curtailing consumers' vacation spending. "We are certainly cognizant of what is going on in the economy," Iger said. We just have to give them a great product and hope people believe it is a real value for the money, which we believe it is, and keep on going." ------------------- =A9 Thomson Reuters 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 07:26:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58080 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2008 14:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2008 14:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2008 14:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 14:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 14:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 14:26:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:26:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Florida developer plans to revive Wild West World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=62BLcWVb4eI62YGhGurjJCfbevIA981tsOBV91Yk3XLWGPs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jun. 18, 2008 The Wichita Eagle http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/438622.html By Bill Wilson VALLEY CENTER, KS -- A Florida developer bought Wild West World (WWW) this morning for $2.15 million, then announced plans for a family entertainment complex on the site that could revive the failed theme park this summer and include gaming down the road. AHG Group LLC, headed by Maitland, FL developer Alan Ginsburg, landed the park this morning in a bid-off in U.S. Bankruptcy Court. The only other bidder, Tulsa-based Amusement Holdings LLC, made no effort to counter, instead entering its $2 million original offer for the park as a backup should AHG fail to close the deal by the court-ordered June 30 deadline. AHG is a multi-billion-dollar worldwide development company whose interests include casinos, retail, commercial, industrial and multi-family projects. After the brief auction, Doug Spangler, a former Kansas legislator who will represent AHG in Wichita, said the group will begin work today to turn the property into a revenue-producer. While long-term plans include hotels to restaurants, AHG has already spoken to one amusement park operator who "thinks we could get the park open this summer," Spangler said. AHG plans to have a development "initiative" in place within 2 weeks, Spangler said. ---------------- Copyright 2008 Kansas.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 07:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68511 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2008 14:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2008 14:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2008 14:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 14:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 14:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 14:34:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:34:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 3 in line to buy old American Adventure theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XtSKEbSJNWrt9HjqfaOLwYtCZGVjgzh8ugOb17RPcz6DiDI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 19th June 2008 Ripley & Heanor News http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Three-in-line-to-buy.4202888.jp ILKESTON, DERBYSHIRE, UK -- The former site of the American Adventure theme park will be sold to one of 3 developers. The theme park, in Shipley closed in February last year after a drop in visitor numbers and has stood desolate ever since with the last of the rides being demolished last year. A Derbyshire County Council spokesperson said it had been contacted by 17 parties interested in developing the site. She said: "We considered all of the proposals and have invited 8 applicants to present their ideas to us. "After we've listened to all of the proposals we will draw up a further shortlist of three buyers who will present their ideas to our members to consider." The spokesperson added: "This process will follow the usual planning procedure in which local people including liaison groups and local representatives are notified of any proposals and consulted throughout the decision-making process." Shipley Lakeside Development Liaison Group, a group of residents who formed because of their interest in the future of the site, will gather local opinion and comment on the proposals. Clerk of the group, Gemma Cripwell said: "We have been promised that we will be provided with details of the final 3 applicants and allowed to respond to the council on local opinion." The group have requested a meeting with the county council to put over any issues which may come about once the three developers have been confirmed. -------------- =A92008 Johnston Press Digital Publishing=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 20:02:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91448 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 03:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 03:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 03:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 03:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 03:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 03:02:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:02:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45846.13533.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.216.122.59 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Uoz8OfB0d-AE_qVCkkzwtC4zP9OYYj1rFwX0XfBdM4hr9peqgA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Twister was running very, very smooth when I was there a few days ago. Actually, it was running better than Phoenix. (Shocking, I know.)=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > I'll also be crossing my fingers that my 6 year old daughter falls in love with the Phoenix and Twister! < >=20 > Well Phoenix I can see her falling in love with; it's just plain fun. Ride that one first. Twister though is pretty intense. Ride it early in the day with her (so it's a little slower) and let her know it'll be a lot different from Phoenix. Who knows? She might like it even more than Phoenix! >=20 > Good luck. Wish we were there with you! >=20 > Jay > From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 20:13:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49512 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 03:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 03:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 03:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 03:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 03:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 03:13:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:13:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.127.189.163 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: Flying Turns X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=xzYxu11KZ3TukldwRtTudV2zZpZRCm_EtEjutDtqIqH704U09qWgG2Om7dQP X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back Yeah I was there at the very end of May and I didn't notice any roughness from the Twister. I actually kept my hands up the whole ride, which I stopped doing last year because of the roughness. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Twister was running very, very smooth when I was there a few days ago. > Actually, it was running better than Phoenix. (Shocking, I know.)=20 >=20 > Chris >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme > wrote: > > > > > I'll also be crossing my fingers that my 6 year old daughter falls > in love with the Phoenix and Twister! < > >=20 > > Well Phoenix I can see her falling in love with; it's just plain > fun. Ride that one first. Twister though is pretty intense. Ride it > early in the day with her (so it's a little slower) and let her know > it'll be a lot different from Phoenix. Who knows? She might like it > even more than Phoenix! > >=20 > > Good luck. Wish we were there with you! > >=20 > > Jay > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 07:09:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 935 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 14:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 14:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 14:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:09:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:09:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:09:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: GOSSIP: Lopez's Tryst on Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=avtyFXi7U0NJCtR6pIUWpXUa50c_WOYK1j7rCyHazcQCjyw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 19, 2008 San Francisco Chronicle http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=3D7&entry_id=3D274= 53 HOLLYWOOD, CA -- Actor Mario Lopez has blown his chances of ever landing a role in a "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie, after confessing he once had sex on the Disney theme park ride that inspired the film. The former "Saved by the Bell" star insists the acrobatic tryst is his proudest sexual moment, and he jokes that Disneyland bosses should honor his achievement in some way. Lopez tells People magazine, "(It's) a long ride. It's very dark. Hopefully I'll get the raft named after me." ------------ =A9 2008 World Entertainment News Network Ltd. =A9 2008 Hearst Communications Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 07:17:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91116 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 14:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 14:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 14:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:17:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:17:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Fewer airplane seats may mean fewer theme park visitors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=daBSuA9pjWOrEV-XRqU8AHkLC1zUSRp5rl62vhQj59fn72I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 20, 2008 Orlando Business Journal http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2008/06/23/story2.html?b=3D1= 214193600^1652921 by Dan Ping ORLANDO, FL -- The Walt Disney Co.'s Central Florida theme parks could see sharp declines in attendance this fall as airlines eliminate more than 5,700 seats per day on flights to Orlando due to soaring fuel prices. The reason: 35% of visitors to Walt Disney World (WDW) travel to Orlando on domestic flights, says a report by Pali Capital Research Managing Director Richard Greenfield. By October, 4 airlines that account for about 33% of the total passenger traffic to Orlando -- Delta, American, Continental and Northwest -- will have cut 18% of their seats to Central Florida compared with seats available in October 2007. Delta, for example, is terminating nonstop routes from midsize cities, such as Nashville and New Orleans, to Orlando. All told, data collected by the Official Airline Guide estimates that by October airlines will provide 50,244 seats per day to Orlando International Airport, a 10.2% decline from the 55,950 available in October 2007. That's the 10th largest decline in the country. As the region's -- and the world's -- most popular theme park, WDW will bear the brunt of the cutbacks. But the effects will reach far beyond Disney. For instance, hotels and restaurants may see a drop in business. In addition, Orange County's tourist development tax collections -- used to fund things such as the new basketball arena and to pay off debt on the county convention center expansion -- may decline. Greenfield also expects rising gas prices -- which up until now have not affected attendance figures -- will mean fewer visitors who drive to WDW from out-of-state locations. Those visitors account for 30% of Disney's attendance. In general, Greenfield says, "Travel trends are beginning to deteriorate" for Disney. Disney declines to discuss attendance figures. But in a May conference call with investment analysts, Disney CEO Robert Iger said the company has no plans to offer discounts. "We don't believe there's any reason for us to consider any pricing strategies that are in any way tied to gasoline price increases." One reason Disney may be reluctant to offer discounts is the fact that 75% of the hotel rooms at WDW are moderately priced, compared with just 45% during the last significant recession in 1991. Iger told analysts: "We believe we're much better positioned in a difficult economic cycle than we were in the past." WDW's travel mix Drive attendance * Florida residents: 15% * Out-of-state: 30% Fly-In attendance * Domestic: 35% * International: 20% ------------------ Source: Pali Capital Research =A9 2008 American City Business Journals, Inc. and its licensors From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jun 20 07:20:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39201 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31831 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 14:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 Jun 2008 14:20:14 -0000 Message-ID: <485BBC80.2090303@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:19:44 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Fewer airplane seats may mean fewer theme park visitors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=rL73l49nLLJZUOoTx1T7akVSsjKrPCIlTiQBEvsSoIut9mQs X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Does it seem to anyone else that the commercial press is just really hoping to see amusement parks suffer? I mean it's like every second day we see articles written about how this or that could hurt amusement parks. Surely they can find more worthwhile things to report on, no?! Cameron. Alan wrote: > June 20, 2008 > Orlando Business Journal > http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2008/06/23/story2.html?b=1214193600^1652921 > by Dan Ping > > > ORLANDO, FL -- The Walt Disney Co.'s Central Florida theme parks could > see sharp declines in attendance this fall as airlines eliminate more > than 5,700 seats per day on flights to Orlando due to soaring fuel prices. > > The reason: 35% of visitors to Walt Disney World (WDW) travel to > Orlando on domestic flights, says a report by Pali Capital Research > Managing Director Richard Greenfield. > > By October, 4 airlines that account for about 33% of the total > passenger traffic to Orlando -- Delta, American, Continental and > Northwest -- will have cut 18% of their seats to Central Florida > compared with seats available in October 2007. > > Delta, for example, is terminating nonstop routes from midsize cities, > such as Nashville and New Orleans, to Orlando. > > All told, data collected by the Official Airline Guide estimates that > by October airlines will provide 50,244 seats per day to Orlando > International Airport, a 10.2% decline from the 55,950 available in > October 2007. That's the 10th largest decline in the country. > > As the region's -- and the world's -- most popular theme park, WDW > will bear the brunt of the cutbacks. > > But the effects will reach far beyond Disney. For instance, hotels and > restaurants may see a drop in business. In addition, Orange County's > tourist development tax collections -- used to fund things such as the > new basketball arena and to pay off debt on the county convention > center expansion -- may decline. > > Greenfield also expects rising gas prices -- which up until now have > not affected attendance figures -- will mean fewer visitors who drive > to WDW from out-of-state locations. Those visitors account for 30% of > Disney's attendance. > > In general, Greenfield says, "Travel trends are beginning to > deteriorate" for Disney. > > Disney declines to discuss attendance figures. But in a May conference > call with investment analysts, Disney CEO Robert Iger said the company > has no plans to offer discounts. "We don't believe there's any reason > for us to consider any pricing strategies that are in any way tied to > gasoline price increases." > > One reason Disney may be reluctant to offer discounts is the fact that > 75% of the hotel rooms at WDW are moderately priced, compared with > just 45% during the last significant recession in 1991. > > Iger told analysts: "We believe we're much better positioned in a > difficult economic cycle than we were in the past." > > WDW's travel mix > Drive attendance > > * Florida residents: 15% > * Out-of-state: 30% > > Fly-In attendance > > * Domestic: 35% > * International: 20% > ------------------ > Source: Pali Capital Research > © 2008 American City Business Journals, Inc. and its licensors > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! 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Groups Links > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 07:25:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71176 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 14:25:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 14:25:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 14:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:25:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:25:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Traditional 4th of July Fireworks at Lake Compounce X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hZOwSMKHV78zheEG_oyLixbihoq7mU6ir69WVzTTueTFNSw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 20, 2008 Norwalk Plus http://www.norwalkplus.com/nwk/information/nwsnwk/publish/News_1/Traditiona= l_Fourth_of_July_Fireworks_at_Lake_Compounce1603.shtml BRISTOL, CN -- Lake Compounce (LC) Family Theme Park, America's oldest continuously operating amusement park and Connecticut's largest water park, will celebrate Independence Day with a dramatic fireworks presentation set over its 23-acre lake on July 4, 2008. "LC is a wonderful place to see fantastic fireworks on Independence Day! Come early and enjoy all the park has to offer, including our more than 50 rides and attractions for all ages," said Jerry Brick, GM of LC. The park will open on Friday, July 4 at 11:00 a.m. and the fireworks will begin at 10:00 p.m. Regular adult admission is $33.95, junior admission for children (under 52") is $24.95, senior admission is $17.95, and children under 3 years of age are free. After 5:00 p.m. admission will be $17.95. LC is home to Boulder Dash, voted one of the World's Best Wooden Roller Coasters, and Splash Harbor, Connecticut's largest water park featuring more than 15 splash-filled rides, including a lazy river, giant wave pool and numerous water slides. The park has recently been enhanced with a series of upgrades during the off-season. The cars of the popular loop coaster, Zoomerang, have been repainted with metallic "magic" paint, creating a prism of color as cars rocket down the track. Fans of the Ghost Hunt ride, one of the most popular attractions at LC, now experience shorter wait times as the 2-seater cars have been replaced with cars that hold 4 passengers each, plus new sound effects and lighting have been added. Renamed the "Lake Compounce Emporium," the new gift shop located adjacent to the main entrance has been redesigned and offers a new selection of quality souvenirs and collectibles, including a new historical book written about the park called "Lake Compounce." In her 3rd book, author Lynda Russell pictorially documents LC's changes over the years and provides a nostalgic look back into time. About LC: LC, owned by Kennywood Entertainment of Pittsburgh, PA is New England's Family Theme Park and the oldest continuously operating amusement park in North America. Kennywood assumed control of the park in 1996 and, in conjunction with the state of Connecticut, has invested more than $60 million in rides and attractions. Visit www.lakecompounce.com for more information. ------------- =A9 Copyright by NorwalkPlus.com Copyright =A92005-2008 Canaiden,LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 07:30:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23611 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:29:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: WB Denies New Mini-Movie for Harry Potter Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VWdlJHJ1OUCQl6rvQsdbLemisV7Uio8a_mNlIWPpv4tYv7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 18, 2008 The Leaky Cauldron http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/6/18/wb-denies-new-jkr-trio-movie-fo= r-harry-potter-theme-park ORLANDO, FL -- As readers are aware, there have been many reports flying on the net regarding a possible new mini-Harry Potter movie starring the Trio, and supposedly written by J.K. Rowling for the upcoming Wizarding World of Harry Potter theme park. Thanks to Warner Brothers, who let us know this rumor is completely FALSE, as they sent us the following statement on this matter: "J.K. Rowling continues to be very supportive and involved with the plans underway for The Wizarding World of Harry Potter theme park at Universal's Islands of Adventure in Orlando, FL. Contrary to recent press reports, she has not written scripts for any films based on the Harry Potter 'prequel' (recently written and sold for charity) or otherwise, as part of the theme park or any other purpose. We are working hard to make The Wizarding World of Harry Potter an exciting and authentic experience for all fans and guests. For more information about the park, please visit unversalorlando.com/harrypotter/." 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--YCalReminder=qYJWYPAa8gki6gm8YMFXAqMHQ5EzOY1214027416-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 07:25:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13931 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2008 14:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2008 14:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.191) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2008 14:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2008 14:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2008 14:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2008 14:25:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:25:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney finds park space for Pixar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ly0lxD_egjWSFcJU10v08Yu6Ad46tjU-mv1qZNcYusnscWE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jun. 20, 2008 Variety http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117987864.html?categoryid=3D2526&cs=3D1 By Marc Graser ANAHEIM, CA -- They were once a contented couple, then they threatened a divorce. Now they're back together, happier than ever, and the union is producing offspring. Theme park offspring. Disney has reaped hundreds of millions of dollars of benefit out of Pixar, but theme parks were the one area the Mouse House had yet to fully exploit. But the Pixar-ization of Disney's parks in Anaheim, Orlando, Paris, Tokyo and Hong Kong is under way, with the Mouse set to spend hundreds of millions to turn the company's characters into new rides, shows and other attractions. It's about time. One of Hollywood's most bankable partnerships, Disney distribbed Pixar's 7 consecutive blockbusters, which earned on average $528 million worldwide, before buying the toon shop outright for $7.4 billion in 2006. Despite the repeat successes at the multiplex, Pixar's properties haven't received the high-profile treatment at Disney's theme parks one might expect; even licensed merchandise is hard to find in the many retail outlets that dot the parks, except for the random Buzz Lightyear doll or "Finding Nemo" and "Cars" plush toys. "Toy Story" and its sequel, and "Nemo" have proven the most park-friendly titles, with multiple attractions set up at various parks. ("The Incredibles" and "Ratatouille" have none yet.) * This week, Toy Story Mania! opened at California Adventure (DCS) in Anaheim, in which guests, wearing 3-D glasses, are whisked through various midway games where they shoot virtual projectiles to rack up points. The $80 million ride's already up and running at the Disney Hollywood Studios park in Orlando. * Disneyland (DL) recently revamped its long-running submarine ride, giving it a "Finding Nemo" makeover. The undersea pic, Pixar's biggest hit to date, also has a musical performing daily inside a new permanent venue at Animal Kingdom (AK) at Walt Disney World (WDW). There are also Turtle Talk With Crush in Anaheim and Orlando, and the Seas With Nemo & Friends aquarium ride at Disney World's Epcot in 2006, in addition to Crush's Coaster that opened last summer in Paris. * A "Toy Story" musical just bowed on the Disney Cruise Line. * WDW's Magic Kingdom raised the curtain on "Monsters, Inc." Laugh Floor comedy showcased last year, featuring the pic's Mike and Sulley. * DCA, next to DL in Anaheim, is getting a massive Pixar-themed overhaul, with hundreds of millions of dollars being spent to build a 12-acre "Cars Land" alone, set to open by 2012, which will consist of 3 separate attractions. Overall, Disney is pumping $1 billion to revamp the park, which has been struggling since opening in 2001. Disney parks have been slowly adding Pixar-based attractions in the last decade. The first was Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin, which opened in 1998 at WDW's Magic Kingdom, and has since been added to other parks over the years. It's Tough to Be a Bug! bowed with the opening of AK, also in 1998, 7 months before "A Bug's Life" even crawled into theaters. The "Monsters, Inc." Mike & Sulley to the Rescue! ride took off at DCA in 2006. Pixar's involvement with the earlier rides had been limited, however, execs say. It didn't even create the animation for It's Tough to Be a Bug =97 Rhythm & Hues did. After the buyout, Pixar's staffers became fully involved with the design of each new attraction. Most of the newer attractions have opened only in the past year or are just being constructed. And Pixar's presence is expected to increase across the parks, as the company plans to release 6 new Pixar toons through 2012. These include a 2nd installment of "Cars" and a 3rd "Toy Story," as well as originals "Wall-E," "Up," "Newt" and "The Bear and the Bow." The Mouse will release 3-D versions of the first 2 "Toy Story" pics next year. "We love bringing their stories to life," says says Tom Fitzgerald, senior creative executive for Walt Disney Imagineering, the unit that creates Disney's theme park attractions. "They have wonderful characters, worlds, humor and great adventures you want to live." While Imagineering says there's creative goodwill with Pixar, corporate-wise, the toon shop and the Mouse weren't always a happy family =97 which partly explains the relative dearth of Pixar fare at the parks. Few attractions were created while Disney merely distribbed Pixar's pics. And none were going to be created during the 2004-2006 period when Pixar topper Steve Jobs was considering ankling to another studio. After Michael Eisner left the studio, Robert Iger aggressively wooed Pixar, with eventual success. Disney declined to comment on such discussions. Both companies have since given the greenlight to numerous new attractions, which should enable Disney's nearly $11 billion-a-year parks and resorts biz to keep things humming along. Disney stresses that Pixar isn't taking over Disney's parks. "DL was inspired by the types of shows that Walt was creating at the time," Fitzgerald says. "And today we get to draw on Walt Disney Studios and the Disney Channel and Pixar, and we create our own stories as well, like Soarin' and Expedition Everest. It's a blend in the parks of timeless stories and stories we invent." Still, spending millions on new rides, and millions more to promote those attractions, can attract guests to a park. With Pixar's pics already crowd-pleasers at the B.O., it's likely that a related attraction will get moviegoers to buy a theme park ticket, as well. At least that's what Disney hopes will happen. The new attractions couldn't come at a better time, as Disney will be competing with Universal and other rivals for business during a recessionary period, with high gas prices that may force tourists to stay home. Disney's theme parks generated a surprising 33% boost in profits in the 1st quarter despite the depressed economy. The concepts for new attractions =97 which typically take 3-4 years to develop =97 are first created by Imagineering, then travel up the exec ranks before ultimately being given the greenlight by Walt Disney Co. prexy and CEO Bob Iger. Says Fitzgerald: "We're always looking at what's next. What are we missing? What part of our audience are we trying to reach?" To be fair, not every Disney toon has gotten the high-profile theme park treatment. There's very little to be seen, if anything at all, for "The Emperor's New Groove" or "Hercules," not massive hits, but still well-performing pics. But which attractions are built isn't based on box office, Imagineering execs say. "We tend to watch the movies and ask, 'What elements of this film or story would translate best to our world?' Sometimes a story like a 'Toy Story' gives you a lot of different ideas. We don't do book reports of the story. We look for the moment that would be most fun to do in our world." ------------- =A9 2008 Reed Business Information From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 16:25:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56782 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2008 23:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2008 23:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2008 23:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2008 23:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2008 23:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2008 23:25:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:25:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <485BBC80.2090303@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Fewer airplane seats may mean fewer theme park visitors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=er1K27DQtwMrZKv6tbR9S1OyhL7kpEsCBzfzZL6pPbn9-c7q29Uk X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Actually, I see this article as *helping* amusement parks, especially=20 Disney. Nobody is going to read this article and decided to cancel=20 their amusement park trip, rather, they will read it and say "Hey,=20 maybe we should go to Disney this summer since the crowds might be=20 lighter." What I see from the media is any excuse at all to splash gas prices=20 on the front page. It's the hot button topic of the moment and it=20 sells papers. They've already reported on how it will affect food=20 prices, airline prices, and family roadtrip vacations. (and all=20 aspects of tourism in general.) Now it is the same story, but=20 recycled with the words "amusement parks" instead of "family road=20 trips." =20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > Does it seem to anyone else that the commercial press is just=20 really=20 > hoping to see amusement parks suffer? I mean it's like every second=20 day=20 > we see articles written about how this or that could hurt amusement=20 > parks. Surely they can find more worthwhile things to report on,=20 no?! >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > Alan wrote: > > June 20, 2008 > > Orlando Business Journal > >=20 http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2008/06/23/story2.html? b=3D1214193600^1652921 > > by Dan Ping > >=20 > >=20 > > ORLANDO, FL -- The Walt Disney Co.'s Central Florida theme parks=20 could > > see sharp declines in attendance this fall as airlines eliminate=20 more > > than 5,700 seats per day on flights to Orlando due to soaring=20 fuel prices. > >=20 > > The reason: 35% of visitors to Walt Disney World (WDW) travel to > > Orlando on domestic flights, says a report by Pali Capital=20 Research > > Managing Director Richard Greenfield. > >=20 > > By October, 4 airlines that account for about 33% of the total > > passenger traffic to Orlando -- Delta, American, Continental and > > Northwest -- will have cut 18% of their seats to Central Florida > > compared with seats available in October 2007. > >=20 > > Delta, for example, is terminating nonstop routes from midsize=20 cities, > > such as Nashville and New Orleans, to Orlando. > >=20 > > All told, data collected by the Official Airline Guide estimates=20 that > > by October airlines will provide 50,244 seats per day to Orlando > > International Airport, a 10.2% decline from the 55,950 available=20 in > > October 2007. That's the 10th largest decline in the country. > >=20 > > As the region's -- and the world's -- most popular theme park, WDW > > will bear the brunt of the cutbacks. > >=20 > > But the effects will reach far beyond Disney. For instance,=20 hotels and > > restaurants may see a drop in business. In addition, Orange=20 County's > > tourist development tax collections -- used to fund things such=20 as the > > new basketball arena and to pay off debt on the county convention > > center expansion -- may decline. > >=20 > > Greenfield also expects rising gas prices -- which up until now=20 have > > not affected attendance figures -- will mean fewer visitors who=20 drive > > to WDW from out-of-state locations. Those visitors account for=20 30% of > > Disney's attendance. > >=20 > > In general, Greenfield says, "Travel trends are beginning to > > deteriorate" for Disney. > >=20 > > Disney declines to discuss attendance figures. But in a May=20 conference > > call with investment analysts, Disney CEO Robert Iger said the=20 company > > has no plans to offer discounts. "We don't believe there's any=20 reason > > for us to consider any pricing strategies that are in any way=20 tied to > > gasoline price increases." > >=20 > > One reason Disney may be reluctant to offer discounts is the fact=20 that > > 75% of the hotel rooms at WDW are moderately priced, compared with > > just 45% during the last significant recession in 1991. > >=20 > > Iger told analysts: "We believe we're much better positioned in a > > difficult economic cycle than we were in the past." > >=20 > > WDW's travel mix > > Drive attendance > >=20 > > * Florida residents: 15% > > * Out-of-state: 30% > >=20 > > Fly-In attendance > >=20 > > * Domestic: 35% > > * International: 20% > > ------------------ > > Source: Pali Capital Research > > =A9 2008 American City Business Journals, Inc. and its licensors > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Don't forget our group site at=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > >=20 > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! 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--YCalReminder=JPJoqlGReK6Oclkukgt1vPMH6JR8tQN1214113819-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:49:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72579 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2008 14:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2008 14:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2008 14:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 14:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 14:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 14:49:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:49:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Valleyfair walks a line between fairness, access X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jQU9VWjCoYYvgYcBO_Df02eG8LHAcrvlptPGtoJMavnHc4M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 21, 2008 Star Tribune http://www.startribune.com/local/south/20631259.html?location_refer=3DGolf By Emily Johns, Sarah Lemagie and Patrick Lee SHAKOPEE, MN -- Nick Brown loves to ride the Wild Thing at Valleyfair, with its twists and stomach-wrenching drops. It's a few minutes of freedom from his wheelchair. And family trips there have been positive in another way: The park has always given Nick and others with special needs faster access to rides. But on a field trip this spring with his 9th-grade class from Shakopee Junior High, Nick, 15, was told that the park had a new policy and that he had to wait in line as long as everyone else. "Trying to negotiate the new rules was so difficult that he only ended up going on five rides," his mother, Audrey Brown, said Friday. "His classmates made it on a dozen." The new policy has drawn ire from some parents, frustrated at what they see as just one more roadblock thrown in their children's way. But it also accomplishes something that advocates for the disabled have been chasing for years: Treating them like everybody else. Valleyfair's parent company, Ohio-based Cedar Fair Entertainment, said some people were abusing the previous policy, which allowed the guest and 3 others to use a "special access entrance" that bypassed the line. "We want to be as fair as possible for our disabled patrons, and make their day as memorable as it is for everyone else," spokeswoman Stacy Frole said. "But we also wanted to keep a policy that others don't take advantage of." And Valleyfair's website says the new policy, enacted in time for this season, is an effort "to be fair to all guests." Disneyland discontinued its special assistance passes in 2004 because able-bodied people -- many of them teens -- were cheating, some even going as far as renting a wheelchair to get to the front of the line. But after complaints, the park revised its policy and now determines special need on a case-by-case basis. Mall of America's Nickelodeon Universe theme park does not distinguish among guests with various special needs: Visitors with disabilities can jump ahead to the front of the line for any ride, along with 3 friends. If the patron needs special assistance, the theme park also provides a free entrance ticket for a chaperone. Spokesperson Dan Jasper said he does not anticipate any changes to the policy. "Our other guests seem very accommodating as well," he said. "They understand that if someone has special needs, then that's all right." Valleyfair estimates that it has about 100 season pass holders this year in a program for people with special needs, that grants free admission to a personal care assistant. The park's new policy appears to be legal, said Joan Willshire, executive director of the Minnesota State Council on Disability, and her office has not received any complaints about the policy change. "They didn't have to allow people to go to the front of the line, so to speak," she said. "At the end of the day, what we all want to strive for is being treated like everybody else. So we will all have to gain patience." As amusement parks have become more accessible over the years, she said, some have also made changes that make it feel like "you have the same experience as everyone else, such as waiting in the dreadfully long line." On Nick Brown's trip with about 450 of his classmates, he tried to dispute the new policy even though he has speech difficulties, his mom said. He had just taken a course in self-advocacy at the Courage Center, so he was learning to stick up for himself. He was "spitting nails," she said, but in the end, didn't feel like anyone listened to him. "I've always told my son that he's no different than everybody else," said Audrey Brown. "But it's not like Valleyfair has half their patronage made up of disabled people, it's a pretty small margin. It's just so much more inconvenient for a disabled person than someone who is standing in line with all their friends." She said giving special-needs guests priority "makes things easier because you are slowed down with someone in a wheelchair and you end up not going on as many things anyway. Other kids "run from one ride to the next and you would just ride and ride and ride. Someone with a disability, you have to meander around." Valleyfair has adjusted the policy slightly since it was enacted. The park now allows patrons with autism to board the rides immediately. Frole, of Cedar Fair, said concerns from family members of autistic patrons arose at several of its parks, prompting Cedar Fair to make the exception. "It wasn't a policy that fit for autistic individuals and their situation," she said. "That's why we review our policies on a regular basis." That was good news to Karen Hosch of Eagan, who said she has been asking the park for weeks to adjust the policy. Her 11-y.o. son, Rory, has autism, and Valleyfair's scariest rides had always helped soothe him. But waiting in line raises his stress level, and if he starts to get frustrated he will bite his wrists -- so much so that they have permanent scarring on them. "It was a big barrier they'd put up to the amount of fun involved for him," she said. "Autistic children are so into routine and structure, and it is his routine to walk up the special access ramp and get on the ride." -------------- =A9 2008 Star Tribune From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 07:55:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57796 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2008 14:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2008 14:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2008 14:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 14:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 14:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 14:55:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:55:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Amusement_Park_Safety:_=91Parents_Need_to_Use_Judgment=92?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eo-Dl85805Eul-BzmDpI0qGkpkAIGsa0W0Sqo2Fv8VJLVqY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jun 20, 2008 WIBW http://www.wibw.com/localnews/headlines/20621619.html USA -- Every year, nationwide, an estimated 8,000 children ages 14 and under are treated in emergency rooms for injuries involving thrill rides at amusement parks and traveling carnivals; in an average year, 3 or 4 die. Kiddie rides designed for ages 4 and under account for nearly a quarter of amusement park injuries to children. This category includes inflatable attractions such as bounces and slides. "Parents need to use their own judgment. Posted age and height requirements are minimal guidelines," says Jan Stegelman, Safe Kids Kansas coordinator. "Follow the rules," says Stegelman. "If a ride operator tells you to keep your hands and feet inside the car, to hold the handrail or to remain seated, there's a good reason." Parents and caregivers need to decide whether their children are capable of sitting properly on a ride and following the operator's instructions. In addition, Safe Kids Kansas reminds parents: Be a good role model. Children are more likely to follow safety rules when they see their parents doing so. Supervise your child getting on and off a ride. Make sure the child understands all announcements and posted rules. Also, don't allow children to supervise younger children on rides. Always use the safety equipment provided. Safety belts, lap bars, chains, handrails and other safety features are there for a reason. Never get off a moving ride. Wait until the ride comes to a complete stop. Also, if a ride stops due to a mechanical problem or safety concern, stay seated and wait for instructions. Don't let children ride if they're too tired to comply with safety procedures. On some rides, it's important to stay upright and face forward. Also, don't pressure kids to go on a ride they're afraid of, as they're more likely to sit incorrectly or even try to get off. Note the limitations of safety devices. Lap bars and chains are not physical restraints =97 their main function is to remind the occupant to stay seated. If a small child sits next to a large adult, a lap bar might not offer the child much protection. Trust your instincts. If a ride looks like it's poorly maintained or an operator seems to be inattentive or unfit, don't let your children ride. While most operators pay close attention to safety, there are exceptions, as in any industry. For additional information about amusement park safety, visit www.usa.safekids.org. --------------- Gray Television Group, Inc. - Copyright =A9 2002-2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 08:28:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29514 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2008 15:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2008 15:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2008 15:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 15:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 15:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2008 15:28:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:28:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Amusement_Park_Safety:_=91Parents_Need_to_Use_Judgment=92?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=U9sZyS0FsJDVlnoivV1vQn_X_-Qj3zR1oVgngE7-dPc3NcY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I know (mostly to us) that this article is nothing more than common sense. However, since working at my local amusement park, I now realize just how little common sense many parent & children actually have. I see things every day: 1) Parents want to force their children to ride something they're afraid of, and berating them for not not wanting to ride (especially among certain socio-economic groups how deem it necessary to turn their children into adults at the age of 3). 2) People taking infants onto rides obviously meant for older children/teens. IMHO - Most people who take infants to Amusement Parks should just drop the pretense around "taking their very young kids to the amusement park", and just admit to the real reason they're going is so that THEY can ride rides. 3) Children supervising children. Children do have the capacity for sound judgment -- they can't even reason until they're age seven! Adults (preferable the parents) need to be supervising children. 4) The Amusement Park is not your babysitter -- Most of us who are working rides, are too busy to look after other peoples children. Again, Adults need to be supervising their own children. 5) Parents getting upset because we refuse children from certain rides. Obviously, these parents are more concerned with their own enjoyment, than the safety of their children. To wit (and I'm going to offend people here), if people are not willing to accept the total responsibility of raising a child, then they should not be having them. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Jun 20, 2008 > WIBW > http://www.wibw.com/localnews/headlines/20621619.html >=20 >=20 > USA -- Every year, nationwide, an estimated 8,000 children ages 14 and > under are treated in emergency rooms for injuries involving thrill > rides at amusement parks and traveling carnivals; in an average year, > 3 or 4 die. 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--YCalReminder=ZMyWmEJIOjC4AF6BodnXLUb6GwW3CSQ1214200213-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 06:56:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94152 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2008 13:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2008 13:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2008 13:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 13:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 13:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 13:56:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:56:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Talent hub for theme parks lies in Orlando X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aoEdwcXZaA5jWIHWalqkbpIyN66fyxkxjkh-ucUXn53jrRE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 23, 2008 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-cover2308jun23,0,3855114.story By Scott Powers ORLANDO, FL -- Want to create your own theme park? The ideas, the talent and the products may all be available to you in the shadow of Walt Disney World (WDW), Universal Orlando (UO) and SeaWorld (SW). Since the late 1980s, scores of companies specializing in "themed entertainment" have emerged in Central Florida. Drawing much of their talent from the area's Big 3 theme-park resorts, they began providing plans, construction, equipment, entertainment and various services to WDW, UO, SW Orlando -- as well as to other theme parks and resorts worldwide. Now, as many of those companies mature and continue to multiply, Orlando is becoming a 1-stop shop for theme-park goods and services ranging from master planning to admissions-management systems, from ride design to ride manufacturing, from themed construction to sidewalk entertainment. They include multipurpose contractors such as Baker Leisure Group, highly refined specialists such as former Disney a cappella choral arranger Derric Johnson, or heavy manufacturers such as Hopkins Rides. "Without question, if someone wanted to develop a theme park, they could put together a really substantial team just based on Central Florida talent," said Bill Coan, president of ITEC Entertainment, a multipurpose contractor started by former Disney executives in 1985. "There is a high quality of talent here, not only from basic architecture and engineering, but technical talent. It has been since the mid-1990s, and has continued to grow and develop." After opening in the early 1970s, WDW handled most of its park development and entertainment chores in-house, relying on talent developed at Disneyland in Southern California. But by the time Universal began building its Central Florida park in the 1980s, local contractors had begun to spring up. And as Disney, Universal and SW expanded in the 1990s, many contractors flourished. Today Florida is home to more companies that are members of the theme-park industry's biggest trade group than any other state, even California. Florida has 286 members of the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions. California has 281. Texas, New York and Ohio, 3 other prominent states in IAAPA's ranks, have a combined total of 283. "A lot of that talent was brought here because of the parks, and as people retired or they were downsizing or whatever, they tended to stay because most people enjoyed living in Orlando," said former Disney entertainment executive Ronald Logan, now a consultant and a professor at the University of Central Florida's Rosen College of Hospitality Management. The industry's unique aspects require not just unique skills but a special frame of mind, said Jerry Aldrich, a former Disney executive and now president of Amusement Industry Consulting in Orlando. Those unique aspects, he said, show up in something as complicated as coordinating the ride systems, themes and special effects needed to create an attraction such as the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man -- or in something as simple as knowing where to place the bathrooms, or how many toilets to install. Or what those toilets should look like, added Jim Pope, principal and studio director at Morris Architects, one of several Orlando architecture firms that have theme-park specialties. "It sounds silly, but the entertainment experience needs to permeate everything," Pope said. "You do tricks in the restroom -- maybe with mirrors with 5-second delays. There are all kinds of things you can do to design entertainment into the mundane." After the 2001 recession and the 9-11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, the local theme-park market sagged, especially compared with the go-go '90s, and those contractors that weren't already courting out-of-town clients learned to do so. Now the worldwide market for theme parks is expanding rapidly, with perhaps 2-dozen parks now under development in countries from China to the United Arab Emirates. Bill Nassal Sr., president of the Nassal Co. -- the largest of several Central Florida construction companies that specialize in making buildings look like castles, dinosaurs or other theme-park shapes -- said Orlando's themed-entertainment community has grown to a size that it now attracts talent from out of state. "20 years ago, 5 out of 7 bidders [on a project] were from Los Angeles, because that's where all the artists are. Now, all the artists in LA -- a good portion of them -- are moving here," Nassal said. Nassal Co., which claims the title of world's largest themed-construction company, has 120 employees in its Kaley Ave. production facilities. He's expecting so much work in the Middle East that he's planning to open a plant in the United Arab Emirates, where at least 11 theme parks are under development. "The theming industry is really going to be gobbled up by the UAE," he predicted. Even smaller, highly specialized companies are catching the international wave. Bill Brown, for example, learned all about high-diving entertainment at SW Orlando. Now his company, Brown Entertainment, produces such shows in Hong Kong, China and Macau, and hopes to do so soon in Brazil. Orlando's themed-entertainment businesses are also taking skills honed in local parks and marketing them in related lines of work. Andrew Nicholls' Orlando Special Effects, for example, now sells pyrotechnic special effects to the military. And Back Stage Technologies, started by former Disney effects producer Jeff Wade, has developed a "cooling fog" that it sells to nightclubs. Hardrive Productions, run by former WDW entertainers Pamela Bolling and Greg Smith, produces highly choreographed, elaborately costumed live dance shows for clients as varied as Las Vegas casinos, NBA teams, TV programs and cruise lines. Its costumes and set pieces fill 3 Orlando warehouses, and there's enough work to keep as many as 17 seamstresses busy. Bolling, who choreographs the shows, said she has no problem finding talented dancers in Orlando. "Over time, building talent, training people, we've been able to find a niche here in this city, staying pretty strong," she said. ---------------- Copyright =A9 2008, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 07:07:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50137 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2008 14:07:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2008 14:07:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2008 14:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:07:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:07:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Young children and amusement park vacations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=65FdESubKW2iIWSuxv3UxAmFoTOr86W5LqPglh3-dD02m88 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jun 20, 2008 She Knows.com http://www.sheknows.com/articles/5678.htm By Armin Brott Q: We are planning to take our children, ages 3 and 7, on a long-awaited trip to a big amusement park this summer. How can we make sure they have fun, but still have a vacation ourselves? Armin Brott answers: My, how the world has changed since we were kids. You can take your children along almost anywhere these days, from an African safari to a Paris caf=E9, and no one will bat an eye. Still, nothing beats a truly kid-oriented vacation. All it takes is a little planning to guarantee a fun trip for everyone. First of all, think about your kids and what they like to do. Don't make a child who loves swimming spend all day at a park, don't force a shy preschooler to hug the bigger-than-life characters, and don't insist that your son be a "big kid" and go on the roller coaster or another thrill ride. Read some reviews and check out each amusement park's web site before you go, and have your kids help you come up with a short list of must-do activities. Your children will hit the ground running -- literally -- so you'll need some sort of plan. Make sure your schedule includes plenty of time for breaks for water, snacks, lunch, naps and the all-important parade viewing. Pick a few tempting-sounding restaurant options and locate them on the map in advance. Another tip from the trenches: Before you leave your hotel, make sure your list of must-brings is complete. You can rent strollers at many theme parks, for example, but most toddlers prefer their own -- and on busy days the parks may be out of rentals by the time you get there. Many parents leave their strollers parked outside the rides and no one seems to bother with them -- just keep your wallet or purse (and camera or other valuables) with you. If your child has a tendency to disappear into crowds, consider a wrist bungee or harness. A lot of kids (and adults) find them horribly embarrassing, so the simple threat of using one might be just enough to keep your child nearby. Pack as much water and other drinks as you can carry, as this will save you ton of money. Also, most parks now have coin-op rental lockers, where you can leave extra snacks and drinks. But don't rule out eating theme park food -- most amusement parks now have options that go way beyond the burger and fried foods of our youth. Options often include vegetarian, Chinese, Thai, Mexican, salads and lots more. All in all, do the things that your kids want to do -- you can always come back alone some other time. And remember, you're on vacation. Take it easy and try to see the parks -- and the world -- through your child's eyes. -------------- =A9 Copyright 2003 - 2008, SheKnows LLC, A Division of AtomicOnline LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 07:24:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47593 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2008 14:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2008 14:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2008 14:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:24:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:24:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Parents brave 'Ultimate Thrill Day' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eKyE_gJjH3Zf6MsSjHJhYBP2UgEF5ZYn3IfT60PwW9xICLI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 22, 2008 The Capital http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2008/06_22-53/LIF By Kelly O'Brien ANNAPOLIS, MD -- Going once ... going twice ... going 3 times ... SOLD - to the lady in midnight blue! That was the last thing I heard at the auction before I had my first shred of doubt: what were we thinking?! This was going to be a recurring theme for what lay ahead... . My husband, Christopher Feldmann, and I had just "won" the Ultimate Thrill Day, a 1-day, all-expenses-paid trip for 4 to Orlando, FL, to experience the world's most thrilling amusement rides. There were high 5 all around, from people who said things such as, "I could never do those rides." And, "I can't do roller coasters at my age." Also, "at least it is for a good cause." A good cause indeed. My son and daughter attend Chesapeake Montessori School and this was a fundraiser to help pay for its new building. So recently we woke up at 5a.m. to catch our flight from BWI Airport to Orlando. My brother-in-law, Lee Feldmann, and his wife, Kathryn, joined us to round out the 4-some. At BWI we were met by Ed Hiller, whose company, Ride Entertainment Systems, sponsored the trip and his wife, Elizabeth. They are also parents at the school. We also met 2 roller coaster experts (Mark Rosenzweig and Adam Sandy) and their wives. The 1st-class treatment started right at the airport. Our merry band of 4 did not have to lift a finger as all was done for us. We had our boarding passes, hot coffee and danishes waiting for us at the gate. Um, yes please! Some of us slept on the flight but I was too excited. At the Orlando airport we were met by a reporter from Amusement Today (Scott Rutherford) who would spend the day documenting our trip. The 4 of us received Theme Park Survival Kits that consisted of sunscreen, water bottles, theme park T-shirts, a lanyard that had souvenir pins of all the rides we would be riding, and more. How fun! Our transportation for the day met us there as well - a stretch Hummer with plenty of room for all 12 of us, fully stocked. We all indulged in a round of Krispy Kremes on the way to our 1st park - Islands of Adventure. Here we were met by Kris, our VIP tour guide. We were given VIP passes and were encouraged to use the special VIP facilities before embarking on our day of thrills. The 1st ride was the Incredible Hulk Coaster. Kris decided we should ride it first and find out about it afterward. And it was a good thing, because if I had known it had 7 inversions and 2 subterranean trenches then I would have been a lot more scared. The coaster "launches" the train, similar to an aircraft carrier's catapult. We went from 0-40 mph in 2 seconds. We dropped from heights of 150' and hit speeds of 67 mph. The ride was awesome in every way. Did I mention we sat in the front row? This ride got 2 thumbs up from me - I was on a high and felt like all I wanted was MORE! Immediately afterward we were escorted to Doctor Doom's Fear Fall, a ride that shoots you 185' into the air and then drops you down faster than a free fall. At the peak height you experience negative G's, which gives you a weightless feeling for a few seconds. The initial launch uses more thrust than a 747 jet engine and accelerates faster than the space shuttle. We noticed the wait was 60 minutes for this ride, which lasted about 30 seconds. Did I mention that since we were VIPs for the day, we were escorted to the front of the line for every ride? Totally awesome - MORE please! Those who wanted more were taken to the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man, the first ever combination of moving, motion-based ride vehicle, 3-D film, and live action. We donned our 3-D glasses and helped Spidey defeat the villains. The effects were incredible - we were doused with water when tangling with an evil water guy and felt the searing heat of the fiery flames of another villain's mayhem. We had a virtual 400' freefall experience, and thankfully were saved by Spidey's web! We lucky VIPs got to meet Spidey after the ride and pose for silly pictures. Next we were taken for the 1st of 3 water rides. Out came the ponchos emblazoned with the IoA insignia. These were meant to keep us dry. Let's just say they kept us dry-er. The 1st ride was the Dudley Do-Right's Rip Saw Falls, a flume ride that had 3 impressive drops. This is the first flume ride to send riders plummeting below water level and also boasts a 75' drop. Next was Popeye and Bluto's Bilge-Rat Barges, a white water rafting ride with some hair-raising drops and a guarantee of getting soaked. What was fun about this ride was the fact that you could see and interact with the other people on your raft. Finally, to round out the wet trio, we went on the Jurassic Park River Adventure ride. This ride was excellently themed as a peaceful river tour amidst the dinosaurs gone awry. The drop at the end in the pitch darkness is the world's tallest water descent at 85' and let me tell you it was something else! By now our tummies were rumbling and we all could do with some lunch. But lunch would have to wait as we had another roller coaster to contend with, Dueling Dragons. This is a suspended coaster (the rail is on top and your feet dangle). There are 2 unique coasters (Fire and Ice) that pass within inches of each other as a dogfight in the sky. I'm sitting in the front row of ice waiting for the ride to start and all I can think is, "okay, after this we get to eat lunch." Well, banish all thought completely once this ride started. It was like nothing I have ever experienced, with each coaster soaring up to 125' and reaching speeds of 55 mph. There are several inversions: a zero-g roll, a cobra roll, 2 corkscrews, and 2 vertical loops. Extreme coaster, this one! That doubtful thought is coming back to me: what were we thinking??!!! By this point in the day, the "front row 4" were pretty quiet - we seemed to all be contemplating what we had done and what we had left to accomplish. We also had slight headaches that were brought about by the excessive g-forces of the rides. We were treated to lunch at Mythos. It was the best food I have ever had in a theme park, and I once lived in Orlando for 10 years. We later found out it was voted the best theme park restaurant for 5 years running. Will the VIP treatment never cease? I hope not! Kris the tour guide took us over to our 2nd theme park, Universal Studios, where we immediately jumped on the Revenge of the Mummy - The Ride roller coaster. This was an indoor "dark ride" and I have to say I enjoyed this one very much. It was very well themed - completely scary even though I am an adult and know I am not really in a mummy's tomb. Also very extreme as we hit 45 mph in total darkness, did a very unexpected reverse motion, and practically singed the hair dodging multiple fire balls. Now it was time to take the stretch Hummer over to the 3 remaining "extreme" thrill rides at Old Town Kissimmee. At this point, even the car trip was starting to feel like a thrill ride - I had to try to face forward at all times and keep from moving my head or eyes around too quickly or I was not going to be able to board any more rides. We pulled up to the World's Tallest Sling Shot, a 2-seater reverse bungee-type ride that shoots you 365' straight up in the air. At the top, you flip over and freefall back down to earth - and bounce up and down a few more times. The initial acceleration is 6 Gs and you are at speeds over 100 mph. Hmm ... maybe I need to watch this one in action before I make up my mind. First my husband rode with Mark, one of the coaster experts. Then my brother-in-law Lee rode with Adam, the other coaster expert. Hmm ... maybe I should have done this ride before I saw what it looked like from the ground ... I think maybe I will pass. Next, the World's Tallest Skycoaster. This is sort of a hang-gliding ride, which sounds reasonable enough, but to get to the "coasting" part, you are raised up to 300' and free fall 185'. 3 people can do this ride at once and while I was "thinking it over" (read: saying, "hell no!") we already had 3 volunteers in varying degrees of eagerness: my husband, my brother-in-law and one of the coaster experts. Our host, Ed Hiller, provided all the onlookers with a congratulatory beer while we watched the 3 flyers get hoisted to their freefalling fates. It seems the rest of us were all winding down, losing what little mojo we had left and besides, we had dinner reservations coming up. While I am watching/not watching the skycoasters (it also looked bad from the ground), I remembered, hey isn't there another extreme ride here? Suddenly I had a 2nd wind and asked Ed if we could do the G-Force Dragster. By the time this was set up, the guys were done with the Skycoaster and we now had a willing 4some. My husband and I took one drag car while Ed and Lee took the other. For some reason, I wasn't nervous at all; maybe because this ride didn't leave the ground - it simulates a drag race using actual modified race cars on a track. Well, I should have been nervous! This ride was perhaps the most extreme - we went from 0 to 120 mph in 1.8 seconds. We accelerated to 4.5 Gs during that time and braked at negative 2.5 Gs. Now we are rushing to get out of Old Town and get to dinner. We had to pass by the Sling Shot on the way out. I was still pumping adrenaline from the dragster when Mark, one of the coaster experts, said "Kelly, don't think about it, let's just ride it." I did it! I actually rode the Sling Shot and I am so glad I did. Even though it was scary, it was exhilarating and surprisingly smooth. And so quiet! At 365', I exploded in a fit of giggles, which I now have documented on DVD as there was a ride-mounted video camera. The day was capped off with a fabulous dinner at Charley's Steakhouse - think Ruth's Chris on steroids - and a mad dash to the airport. The flight was on time and mercifully uneventful. We arrived home a bit after midnight Saturday morning, completely exhausted after having the time of our lives The experts at Amusement Today believe that no one has ever done this many extreme thrill rides in 1 day; they published a feature article in their June issue. Our plane literally touched down at 9:30 in the morning and in less than an hour we were strapped in the front row of our 1st roller coaster. My husband Chris actually completed the most thrill rides, with Lee and I just 1 ride behind him. All of us who made the trip bonded like soldiers in a war zone and have already made plans to get together this summer. We of the "front row 4" know that what we have done gives us bragging rights! ---------------- Copyright =A9 2007 Capital Gazette Communications, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 07:32:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85238 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2008 14:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2008 14:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2008 14:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:32:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:32:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Auction at Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dTjT6k031yaLj1XWvDaQtJmrGC3neDYfTc-63rkOr6G2FXs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jun 17, 2008 Akron Beacon Journal http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/20013914.html By David Giffels AURORA, OH -- Hundreds of people visited Geauga Lake (GL) this morning for what probably will be their last time, not to ride rides or eat midway food, but to bid on the pieces of the old amusement park and reminisce. The nostalgic crown jewel of the sale, The Big Dipper roller coaster, brought a high bid of $5,000 after a brief bidding process. The sale is subject to approval by owner Cedar Fair Entertainment (CF), with approval needed by Wednesday. The bidder, Tom Woosnam, said he was representing another company but declined to say who it was. Woosnam, who works for Apex Western Machinery Movers in Akron, said the ride will be re-erected for historic purposes but will not operate as a working roller coaster. Bidders ranged from experienced auction buyers to Northeast Ohio nostalgia-seekers. Jason Goscinski, 26, of Parma, bought 2 concrete benches from the midway for $225. "I'll just put them in my yard," he said. An auctioneer in a red blazer rolled slowly through the park standing in the bed of a pickup truck, calling out his cadence as the crowd slowly trailed behind him. The first major ride to go up for auction, the Space Tower, has loomed above GL since 1974, slowing lifting riders 195' for a bird's eye view of the park. The high bidder was Ralph Plumpton of Akron's RP Motors, who bought the tower for $12,500. "We're going to scrap it or possibly sell it to Nigeria =97 I'm not sure," Plumpton said as he hurried off to the next lot of bidding. The fate of the GL rides and attractions has been the subject of much speculation and debate since the announcement last fall that the park was closing. Attracting the most attention was the historic Big Dipper, a wooden roller coaster built in 1925 that remains an icon of Ohioana. CF, which bought GL in 2003, announced in September that it was closing the 119-y.o. park, keeping only the adjacent Wildwater Kingdom water park, which recently opened for the season. After attempting to attract bids for the Big Dipper and other coasters, the Michigan-based Norton Auctioneers was enlisted to handle the sale of virtually everything else that remains on site, from office equipment to water rides. The list includes such rides as the Double Loop, Raging Wolf Bobs, the Villain, two 60' paddle-wheel boats, the Skyscraper observation tower, the Grizzly Run raft ride and the pirate ship ride. Today's auction is devoted to the amusement park rides and related equipment. Wednesday will focus on campground trailers and equipment. The auction, conducted at GL, is open to the public. Admission is $10. Additional details are on the auctioneers' Web site: http://www.nortonauctioneers.com. ------------------- =A92008 The Akron Beacon Journal From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 07:37:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1587 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2008 14:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2008 14:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2008 14:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 14:37:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:37:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Krazy City amusement park opens at Poughkeepsie mall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mnPYH2NUj64GpMdsAHhSOBl-_q5NhM5Lvd4fxPpBfNBntSI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 June 20, 2008 Poughkeepsie Journal http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080620/BU= SINESS/80620013 By Sarah Bradshaw POUGHKEEPSIE, NY -- Krazy City opened a 21,000 sq-ft indoor theme park Thursday at the Poughkeepsie Galleria. The mall park offers amusement rides, attractions, video games and casual dining at the City Grill restaurant. Bumper cars, bowling lanes and miniature golf are available. Children can enjoy Ballocity =97 a giant interactive ball play and soft play maze filled with thousands of balls. Krazy City also features an area filled with attractions especially designed for younger children, like the Kookie's Kid's Train, or gemstones mine and fossils dig area. Birthday parties and special events are welcome. There are other Krazy City locations in Rockland County, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Krazy City is open 11a.m. to 9:30p.m. Monday to Thursday; 10a.m. to 9:30p.m. Friday; 10a.m. to 10p.m. Saturday; and 11a.m. to 7p.m. Sunday. For information, call Krazy City at 845-635-3624 or visit www.krazycity.com --------------- Copyright =A9 2008 PoughkeepsieJournal.com From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 11:44:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92818 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2008 18:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2008 18:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2008 18:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 18:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 18:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 18:44:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:44:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Big Dippers sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=znHExAnzXqGkq6p4yod4CG1WXVVWm52DmEtXWB1y33sdccfVeJ3Tfck X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire The nostalgic crown jewel of the sale, The Big Dipper roller coaster, brought a high bid of $5,000 after a brief bidding process. The sale is subject to approval by owner Cedar Fair Entertainment (CF), with approval needed by Wednesday. >>> Did the Big Dipper really sell for $5000? That's a bargain! I=20 wonder what the purchaser is going to do with it if it's not going to=20 run. That was a classic. Probably the best ride in the park along=20 with Dominator. If only I had $5000 to spend and a good construction=20 crew! Ha Matt Counting down the days to Knoebels! From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 15:47:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26038 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2008 22:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2008 22:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2008 22:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 22:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 22:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 22:47:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:47:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Auction at Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=S7aQGU4duQSFb0-rwqJZ3uxLONh_N0VgnMOCctjjO9ecsyQvGySb X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > The nostalgic crown jewel of the sale, The Big Dipper roller coaster, > brought a high bid of $5,000 after a brief bidding process. The sale > is subject to approval by owner Cedar Fair Entertainment (CF), with > approval needed by Wednesday. Shit... we could have bought that with our tax refund... From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 15:52:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57122 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2008 22:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2008 22:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2008 22:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 22:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 22:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2008 22:51:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:51:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: OP-ED: Parents brave 'Ultimate Thrill Day' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=76OZy1NzR_F8dEKJQ-Fj9Q29JjvYqqL_ZL5JNs6XcHSKU4XD8CLa X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > We also met 2 > roller coaster experts (Mark Rosenzweig and Adam Sandy) and their=20 >wives. Wait a minute... *THE* Adam Sandy? And his wife? I didn't know you=20 were married Adam... or did I? It's been a while since we last met up,=20 maybe you mentioned it on here, I can't remember. She doesn't mind=20 that you have a... Oh wait, you were drunk when you told us that, so I=20 guess I shouldn't repeat that here.=20=20 Just messing with ya there Horseypole...=20=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 23 18:18:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78127 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2008 01:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2008 01:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2008 01:18:28 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so809562ywb.81 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:18:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.147.5 with SMTP id u5mr13726576rvd.166.1214270304510; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:18:24 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Auction at Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=-2y2BBVM1fiaf7kTHgMNiR8iMfSdCA-jC8qn9CVgUeobFqGgpoBy4jI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > The nostalgic crown jewel of the sale, The Big Dipper roller coaster, > > brought a high bid of $5,000 after a brief bidding process. > we could have bought that with our tax refund... Could you have afforded to deconstruct it, move it, and reconstruct it elsewhere? :) Not being a smartass here, but that's really the reason it went so cheaply. The cost of moving the ride is hugely expensive...certainly enough so that anybody wanting the ride wouldn't be willing to pay CF much for it in the first place, given the enormous amount they're going to spend in the future on it. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Jun 23 18:59:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93479 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2008 01:58:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2008 01:58:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2008 01:58:57 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so1101534pyi.16 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.197.21 with SMTP id z21mr13757029rvp.233.1214272732962; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h35sm3196754wxd.24.2008.06.23.18.58.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:58:52 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:58:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjVg8FE4MC7pLiFTEmqQRcV/K8WNQAGc36w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <486054dc.2386460a.7a9c.ffffc4ac@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: OP-ED: Parents brave 'Ultimate Thrill Day' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=DZJW8GRS7rnEEFqqlKxsAucGxhxudvcHQcC8g9_z-BEMh9U X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =93Wait a minute... *THE* Adam Sandy? 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--YCalReminder=sh8t9SIvpOsVzi5xRiiQM1214286614-1-- From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 08:14:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62046 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2008 15:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2008 15:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2008 15:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2008 15:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2008 15:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2008 15:14:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:14:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: NEWS: Auction at Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=zaz3TbE6Y5F7DUVwky-fuQh5_rEUfzvf-QM0SqmW8fpmi0jd0_MBMNI X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire > > we could have bought that with our tax refund... >=20 > Could you have afforded to deconstruct it, move it, and reconstruct it > elsewhere? :) >=20 > Not being a smartass here, but that's really the reason it went so > cheaply. The cost of moving the ride is hugely expensive...certainly > enough so that anybody wanting the ride wouldn't be willing to pay CF > much for it in the first place, given the enormous amount they're > going to spend in the future on it. >=20 > -Nate > >>>>>So does anyone know who bought it and what it will be used for?? From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 07:09:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23180 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2008 14:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2008 14:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2008 14:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2008 14:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2008 14:09:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:09:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: AZ Senate OKs bill for rock 'n' roll theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=yPy9U61tQkYZpG_vvOsEFpYs4Mh0FollqGgoXhQN35l4pmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 25 Jun 2008 The Associated Press Fox-10 http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3D6844523&ver= sion=3D1&locale=3DEN-US&layoutCode=3DTSTY&pageId=3D3.2.1 By Paul Davenport and Jacques Billeaud PHOENIX, AZ -- An opponent's silent filibuster failed to stop legislation to help finance a proposed rock 'n' roll theme park in Eloy, and the Legislature sent the bill to Gov. Janet Napolitano on Tuesday. The bill would require the project's backers to raise $100 million and secure financial guarantees for a $750 million bond issue by a special district. The tax-exempt bonds would be repaid from taxes on sales in the park, which would be exempt from property taxes. Already approved by the House, the bill (SB1450) cleared the Senate on a 17-9 vote Tuesday. That was after Sen. Ron Gould, R-Lake Havasu City, refused to vote for more than 10 minutes after other senators finished voting. "I'm still pondering my vote," he said when asked whether he was ready to vote. However, Senate President Tim Bee, R-Tucson, put a stop to it by having the Senate vote on a motion to "excuse" Gould from voting on the bill. The Senate overwhelmingly approved the motion over Gould's objections. Gould later said he had intended his protest to go on much longer in an effort to kill the bill. "The whole idea is to drive enough members off the floor so you don't have a quorum," and then force adjournment, he said. "I gotta use whatever technique I can to try to save the taxpayers money. This is going to come back to haunt us." While the bill would permit the backers to save on financing costs, retained lobbyists and legislative supporters call the project a jobs producer. "It will create thousands of jobs and bring in millions of dollars to the state's economy," reducing the current reliance on the housing industry, said Sen. Thayer Verschoor, a Gilbert Republican who sponsored the bill (SB1450). Opponents criticize state involvement in a private venture and question whether default on project bonds would cause trouble for the state down the road. The Legislature's law office recently said in a memo to the bill's sponsor that its specific wording "makes it very clear" that the state would not be liable for repayment of revenue bonds issued by the special district. The memo also cited Arizona court rulings that found no state liability for revenue bonds not linked to the state's general treasury. Gould, during floor debate on the bill before his aborted filibuster, said those assurances weren't worth much. If the project fails, "the investors are going to come back and sue the state which is going to have an effect on the bond rating regardless of what anybody tells you," he said. Sen. Ken Cheuvront, D-Phoenix, said the project sets a troubling precedent that would encourage other developers to seek state-backed financing. "It's bad public policy," Cheuvront said. Sen. Robert Blendu, R-Litchfield Park, insisted that provisions added to the bill would protect the state. "All those firewalls are in place," he said. ------------ Copyright 2008 Associated Press TM and (c) 2008 Fox Television Stations, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 07:15:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46686 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2008 14:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2008 14:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2008 14:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n17.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2008 14:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2008 14:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2008 14:15:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:15:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Work begins on Europa-Park expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=jAVgZpGQDpTOQfsdBjvk2BqPBtHLHtO24MhRK0Ih-mPp220 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 23 Jun 2008 World Leisure News & Jobs http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail1.cfm?codeID=3D71333&CFID=3D32691= 061&CFTOKEN=3D77063051 RUST, BADEN WUERTTEMBERG, GERMANY -- Construction work has begun on a 15 hectare expansion of German theme park Europa-Park. A spokesperson confirmed that as part of the project, the attraction is to open a new major ride in time for the summer season 2009. The park, the 2nd largest in Europe behind Disneyland Paris in terms of visitor numbers, already boasts 54 rides and it is believed that the expansion's centrepiece will be a roller coaster built by the park's owner, Mack Rides, which would increase the number of coasters at the park to 10. The expansion will increase the park's size from 70 to 85 hectares and will be completed in phases. The announcement comes as the park launched 2 new family attractions for the 2008 season. The Crazy Taxi and London Bus =96 both located at the Park's English area =96 were supplied by Italian ride manufacturer Zamperla and are themed around transport in the English capital city. The park has also added to its extensive range of restaurants by opening an Asian-themed wok restaurant at the Piraten in Batavia dark ride. --------------- =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 12:14:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75387 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2008 19:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2008 19:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2008 19:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2008 19:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2008 19:14:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:14:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.202.90 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Auction at Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=2DmuscZkWVxP16WWMbn6d5xYtHhEYtEqu6kQzmimGpshOZz_lr9j X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Nate wrote: > Not being a smartass here, but that's really the reason it went so > cheaply. The cost of moving the ride is hugely expensive...certainly > enough so that anybody wanting the ride wouldn't be willing to pay CF > much for it in the first place, given the enormous amount they're > going to spend in the future on it. >=20 > -Nate Yeah, of course we knew that, but still, just the point of it. I guess=20 I just assumed that it would go for a little bit more.=20 In reality, I thought Astroworld was going to get it... Oh wait...=20 nevermind. 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--YCalReminder=sMq9gW6ZuwuMMdMmybop2mKjYNEOL1214459414-1-- From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jun 26 13:08:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72608 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2008 20:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2008 20:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2008 20:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2008 20:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2008 20:07:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:07:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: 400 foot ferris wheel coming to orlando X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=LKcH7qqXYJHaGncRCsCAEgfjR9B4xp-eXyBIHFCyHew-bgZuE7Ot17kRYw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 dont know if this was already posted, but; http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/tourism/article644562.ece At 400 feet high, this Ferris wheel has grown=20 By Mark Albright, Times Staff Writer=20 ORLANDO =97 The London Eye offers sweeping views of the River Thames.=20 Now Orlando will have a $200-million Great Wheel of its own with sky- high views of Mickey, Harry Potter and Shamu.=20 "We're a city of theme park icons," said Richard Crotty, mayor of=20 Orange County. "There's no question this will become an iconic=20 gateway landmark" after it opens in 2010.=20 This engineering feat is no mere Ferris wheel. At 400 feet, it will=20 rival downtown Tampa's tallest buildings. Its glass-enclosed=20 capsules =97 at 16 by 38 feet, each one bigger than most living rooms =97=20 need 30 minutes to complete a revolution, boasting an unobstructed 25- mile view. Moving at nine inches a second, the wheel never stops, but=20 is slow enough to step on and off for those paying up to $20 a spin.=20 It's the brainchild of Florian Bollen, a 43-year-old former Hollywood=20 producer. He was struck by the business model for the London Eye,=20 which opened in 2000 and helped make the south bank of London a=20 tourist hub. His Great Wheel Corp. bid for the Eye, but settled for=20 rights to build more around the world.=20 His first, a 647-foot-tall behemoth in Singapore, opened in February.=20 More are planned in Berlin and Beijing. As a concession to hurricane- strength winds, the Florida wheel will have a second pair of ground=20 supports and extra struts around a rim that looks like it's held up=20 by bicycle spokes on steroids.=20 Capsules are booked for parties and weddings. The 80,000-square-foot=20 terminal includes cafes and bars to stage a flow of 4,300 guests an=20 hour.=20 Great Wheel paid $38-million for 20 acres by Interstate 4 between the=20 Orange County Convention Center and Sea World.=20 "We chose Orlando because it's flat, which affords great views,"=20 Bollen said, brushing off lightning strike fears with his own=20 experience riding out a nasty Singapore squall in a capsule . "It was=20 safe, but =85 ah =85 exciting."=20 Mark Albright can be reached at albright@sptimes.com or (727) 893- 8252.=20 From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 15:52:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81883 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2008 22:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2008 22:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2008 22:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2008 22:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2008 22:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2008 22:51:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:51:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.127.189.163 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=3QtyQ5LTpQrw4VbQ_qdmxfB0DXhgI4DHR9vihWHSlCjkARiehmNbUc6HkmSk X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=3D211181 AUSTELL, Ga. - A tragic scene unfolded Saturday at Six Flags Over Georgia when a teenager was killed when he was hit by the Batman roller coaster. A park spokeswoman says the 17-year-old scaled a fence marked "Danger Zone." Reports indicate the teen was decapitated. "We do not know why this person was intent on gaining access to this restricted area. Multiple signs clearly state `Do Not Enter' and `Authorized Personnel Only'," said spokeswoman Hela Sheth. No riders were injured. Batman The Ride has been operating at the theme park since 1997. WSB-TV and the Associated Press contributed to this report TEXT OF THE STATEMENT ISSUED BY SIX FLAGS A 17-year old park visitor scaled two six-foot fences that secured the Batman roller coaster and was struck and killed by the coaster at approximately 2 p.m. today. We do not know why this person was intent on gaining access to this restricted area, as multiple signs clearly state: Danger Zone/Do Not Enter/Authorized Personnel Only. Some witnesses have stated that the individual was trying to retrieve something he had lost. Others reported that he was trying to touch the ride. This is merely speculation at this point, and we are working with park visitors and local police to learn more. No guests on the ride were injured. The visitor's family was at the park with him, and Six Flags representatives are currently with the family. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 18:43:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19818 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55631 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2008 01:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:43:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:43:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1213905868.2880.12552.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <751458.55237.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Misc: Hawaii X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=E0mhMwNgwnn0NzZ9vXuPakRJzQiKXMI_Hc14yAl736ycnbzQD2sv X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Hi folks. Karen and I have been away for the past two weeks, on vacation in Hawaii. There's only one park there, Hawaiian Waters Adventure Park, and with a steep entry for a small water attraction ($39) we passed on it. We did encounter the only rollercoaster in the state. It was a small Galaxi parked silently outside Aloha Stadium. The 50th State Fair had just ended, so we didn't get a chance to ride it. There actually is sort of another park: the Polynesian Cultural Center. It's like a low-key park with seven themed sections, one ride (a boat ride), an IMAX movie and a terrific stage show. I'll have a non-traditional trip report in a few days. Karen and I also visited Lake Compounce, and I urge everyone to get out there and ride the new Boulder Dash. GCI did a really good job with it, and the new finale is terrific! The old trick-track was the ride's weakest element, and GCI refashioned that stretch into a kick-butt ending. A trip report about that will be forthcoming as well.... Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jun 28 19:00:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92775 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 02:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 02:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 02:00:17 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c16so195916ana.5 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.94.14 with SMTP id r14mr2912942anb.152.1214704816662; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0806281900q1a79df96kacb716863614a7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:00:16 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=VmKDlrtbFuFmgicY9aqTd5k6lzRdSECHPJsE6_eNiSNDBDA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska based on the report from screamscape thew kid was jumping up and trying to grab the feet of riders. wow. On 6/28/08, bringing_saxy_back wrote: > http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=211181 > > AUSTELL, Ga. - A tragic scene unfolded Saturday at Six Flags Over > Georgia when a teenager was killed when he was hit by the Batman > roller coaster. > > A park spokeswoman says the 17-year-old scaled a fence marked "Danger > Zone." > > Reports indicate the teen was decapitated. > > "We do not know why this person was intent on gaining access to this > restricted area. Multiple signs clearly state `Do Not Enter' and > `Authorized Personnel Only'," said spokeswoman Hela Sheth. > > No riders were injured. > > Batman The Ride has been operating at the theme park since 1997. > > WSB-TV and the Associated Press contributed to this report > > TEXT OF THE STATEMENT ISSUED BY SIX FLAGS > > A 17-year old park visitor scaled two six-foot fences that secured the > Batman roller coaster and was struck and killed by the coaster at > approximately 2 p.m. today. We do not know why this person was intent > on gaining access to this restricted area, as multiple signs clearly > state: Danger Zone/Do Not Enter/Authorized Personnel Only. > > Some witnesses have stated that the individual was trying to retrieve > something he had lost. Others reported that he was trying to touch the > ride. This is merely speculation at this point, and we are working > with park visitors and local police to learn more. No guests on the > ride were injured. The visitor's family was at the park with him, and > Six Flags representatives are currently with the family. Our thoughts > and prayers are with the family. > > > From lance@screamscape.com Sat Jun 28 20:21:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82406 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 03:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 03:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 03:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F6B6C1512 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.48653f9d.6bdbb for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:21:44 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIZv/IiLpxPAIAAAAB,2f23454710ec3c97ed17f210ff27dec5 Message-ID: <40105D130C65438B95715F874984F386@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <6ab4641f0806281900q1a79df96kacb716863614a7c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0806281900q1a79df96kacb716863614a7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:21:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=jxPTEaayWKasgyzshglfPkzjCeiiQi3JI_uDBpKN007BUpZkvNZLnLHxdg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's kind of weird... new news reports also say that he may have been trying to get a lost object of some kind in the restricted area... but you would think that he would have attempted to stay clear of the coaster before going after an object. Makes you wonder why so many early reports said it looked like he was trying to grab someone on the coaster... unless the object he was trying to get back was on one of the coaster riders. ???? Shoes? ;-) Just too crazy... ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cowan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia based on the report from screamscape thew kid was jumping up and trying to grab the feet of riders. wow. On 6/28/08, bringing_saxy_back wrote: > http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=211181 > > AUSTELL, Ga. - A tragic scene unfolded Saturday at Six Flags Over > Georgia when a teenager was killed when he was hit by the Batman > roller coaster. > > A park spokeswoman says the 17-year-old scaled a fence marked "Danger > Zone." > > Reports indicate the teen was decapitated. > > "We do not know why this person was intent on gaining access to this > restricted area. Multiple signs clearly state `Do Not Enter' and > `Authorized Personnel Only'," said spokeswoman Hela Sheth. > > No riders were injured. > > Batman The Ride has been operating at the theme park since 1997. > > WSB-TV and the Associated Press contributed to this report > > TEXT OF THE STATEMENT ISSUED BY SIX FLAGS > > A 17-year old park visitor scaled two six-foot fences that secured the > Batman roller coaster and was struck and killed by the coaster at > approximately 2 p.m. today. We do not know why this person was intent > on gaining access to this restricted area, as multiple signs clearly > state: Danger Zone/Do Not Enter/Authorized Personnel Only. > > Some witnesses have stated that the individual was trying to retrieve > something he had lost. Others reported that he was trying to touch the > ride. This is merely speculation at this point, and we are working > with park visitors and local police to learn more. No guests on the > ride were injured. The visitor's family was at the park with him, and > Six Flags representatives are currently with the family. Our thoughts > and prayers are with the family. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 22:25:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31921 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 05:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 05:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 05:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2008 05:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2008 05:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2008 05:25:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 05:25:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40105D130C65438B95715F874984F386@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Bbnllau-rxCo5B0e19mAUvcs3eIE1LqzttUZOR6m1Kp9RXWrMw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 We have people enter our restricted areas on a frighteningly frequent=20 basis, intent on retrieving lost items. Fortunately, we haven't had=20 any incidents, but our security guys seem to always be in the right=20 place at the right time.=20 I agree that most of the people who do enter the area try to time the=20 spacing of the train to stay clear. That makes me think the original=20 report of him trying to grab feet makes more sense. Plus, since none=20 of the riders were hurt, it sounds like the front row riders may have=20 seen him and lifted their legs.=20 Anything else I can think of is just to grisly to actually type.=20 Chris (Totally a Darwin Award nominee, Lance!) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > It's kind of weird... new news reports also say that he may have=20 been trying to get a lost object of some kind in the restricted=20 area... but you would think that he would have attempted to stay=20 clear of the coaster before going after an object. Makes you wonder=20 why so many early reports said it looked like he was trying to grab=20 someone on the coaster... unless the object he was trying to get back=20 was on one of the coaster riders. ???? > Shoes? ;-) >=20 > Just too crazy... >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Michael Cowan=20 > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags=20 Over Georgia >=20 >=20 > based on the report from screamscape thew kid was jumping up and > trying to grab the feet of riders. wow. >=20 > On 6/28/08, bringing_saxy_back wrote: > > http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=3D211181 > > > > AUSTELL, Ga. - A tragic scene unfolded Saturday at Six Flags=20 Over > > Georgia when a teenager was killed when he was hit by the Batman > > roller coaster. > > > > A park spokeswoman says the 17-year-old scaled a fence=20 marked "Danger > > Zone." > > > > Reports indicate the teen was decapitated. > > > > "We do not know why this person was intent on gaining access to=20 this > > restricted area. Multiple signs clearly state `Do Not Enter' and > > `Authorized Personnel Only'," said spokeswoman Hela Sheth. > > > > No riders were injured. > > > > Batman The Ride has been operating at the theme park since 1997. > > > > WSB-TV and the Associated Press contributed to this report > > > > TEXT OF THE STATEMENT ISSUED BY SIX FLAGS > > > > A 17-year old park visitor scaled two six-foot fences that=20 secured the > > Batman roller coaster and was struck and killed by the coaster=20 at > > approximately 2 p.m. today. We do not know why this person was=20 intent > > on gaining access to this restricted area, as multiple signs=20 clearly > > state: Danger Zone/Do Not Enter/Authorized Personnel Only. > > > > Some witnesses have stated that the individual was trying to=20 retrieve > > something he had lost. Others reported that he was trying to=20 touch the > > ride. This is merely speculation at this point, and we are=20 working > > with park visitors and local police to learn more. No guests on=20 the > > ride were injured. The visitor's family was at the park with=20 him, and > > Six Flags representatives are currently with the family. Our=20 thoughts > > and prayers are with the family. > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 03:58:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41961 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 10:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 10:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 10:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2008 10:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2008 10:58:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:58:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.128.156 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=57z4VgBEwD_ZFN_fcHDv9tlPq2_35b1zlbrf1hOyNUiUhFcB5TRa X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > Anything else I can think of is just to grisly to actually type.=20 >=20 > Chris > (Totally a Darwin Award nominee, Lance!) >=20 >I'm with you on Darwin. Too grisly to type? OK, I'll do it. I can't get technical, it's not a=20 strength of mine. But if he was allegedly trying to grab the feet of=20 riders, is it possible the actual contact was not with the ride, but=20 with a person's feet? Is it even physically and/or anatomically=20 possible the kid literally "got his head kicked off??" Sad goings-on, to be sure, but last night's local news in NY even=20 featured the story because of the pure sensationalism of it. The Mass=20 Media will have a field day comparing it to accidents like last year's=20 KK tragedy, when it's apples and oranges. Kaitlyn Lassiter didn't make=20 any moronic decisions that day. Mike From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Jun 29 08:37:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7825 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 15:37:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 15:37:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-184.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.54) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 15:37:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16579 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jun 2008 15:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 15:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KCyxe-00053K-Te for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:37:09 -0600 Message-Id: <95F0C964-B3D7-4F6B-A8C2-69C376FCA85D@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:37:53 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: DomainKey-Status: no signature X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=255ntLufrXwV3xSQPDHNrE59zUOnqyr3aeU-GMqwhUsRMX_ZjGj- X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Anything else I can think of is just to grisly to actually type. >> >> Chris >> (Totally a Darwin Award nominee, Lance!) >> >> I'm with you on Darwin. > > Too grisly to type? OK, I'll do it. I can't get technical, it's not a > strength of mine. But if he was allegedly trying to grab the feet of > riders, is it possible the actual contact was not with the ride, but > with a person's feet? Is it even physically and/or anatomically > possible the kid literally "got his head kicked off??" Obviously not something I want to speculate too much on, but I think with the way you're sitting, it'd be hard to take a hard hit to your leg without breaking it, but it probably depends on how fast you're going. My initial thought was that he hit the beam on the underside of the seats, which holds the rows together. You can sort of see it in this picture: http://www.rcdb.com/ig5.htm?picture=10 A witness on CNN said that the kid got picked up and slammed into a pole (I'm assuming a support pole, unless it was pole holding up a sign that said "stay out of this area"), but who knows. Even at its lowest point there's still a bunch of clearance between the train and the ground, like in this picture: http://www.rcdb.com/ig421.htm?picture=1 Either way, at least there weren't additional injuries with people on the ride. > Sad goings-on, to be sure, but last night's local news in NY even > featured the story because of the pure sensationalism of it. The Mass > Media will have a field day comparing it to accidents like last year's > KK tragedy, when it's apples and oranges. Kaitlyn Lassiter didn't make > any moronic decisions that day. The articles I read weren't comparing it exactly to it, but at the bottom of the article they listed "oh yeah, last year a girl got her feet caught in the ride at SF"... an accident maybe, but like you said it has nothing to do with it. In their defense, they probably don't know any better, and it's not like they have high standards for reporting. The video I saw on CNN, the anchor almost seemed to almost enjoy the sensationalism of saying "decapitated". Either that or he was just getting his vocal tone up for the next story about puppies that surf (if only I were joking). On a side note, I wonder if SF will get sued for something like "not having high enough fences". Mike From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun Jun 29 13:09:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72427 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 20:09:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 20:09:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 20:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d08.3a29e30d (39954) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:09:18 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=cV0dCTQEOGJ_BUF1kCn1U-bsW29DRlX5uUkxZkncAwovD23Ocg X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/2008 11:37:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com writes: The articles I read weren't comparing it exactly to it, but at the bottom of the article they listed "oh yeah, last year a girl got her feet caught in the ride at SF"... an accident maybe, but like you said it has nothing to do with it. In their defense, they probably don't know any better, and it's not like they have high standards for reporting. The video I saw on CNN, the anchor almost seemed to almost enjoy the sensationalism of saying "decapitated"enjoy the sensationa was just getting his vocal tone up for the next story about puppies that surf (if only I were joking). It seems almost every time I see a story like this about some tragedy at an amusement park, it's followed up by something irrelevant to the story. For example, on this story, the tag at the end of article stated the year the ride was built, like the ride's age possibly had something to do with a kid jumping over a high fence and getting killed. Or like was discussed, the reporter or news article will end with mentioning some other park that something tragic happened like that has relevance to what happened here. I just don't get it sometimes. They should just stick to the facts of what really happened at the current location, and not discuss ride and park accidents of the last several years. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Jun 29 13:14:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32006 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 20:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 20:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 20:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from [71.98.228.87] (helo=[192.168.1.65]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KD3Hh-0008Jz-KN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4867ED0B.1020804@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:14:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9304a7c94e3279ccc4c2e6047d6c5b7f2140c838e086565350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=7xcAed9dY5ojG3Bq1h1IKGNGx3SDvElOCqnfvHPeXsq4dKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash A couple of the reports I've read said that he and his friend had left the park for lunch, and were trying to come back into the park through the coaster area instead of through the gates. Why they would be trying to sneak back in I don't know unless they weren't supposed to leave the park to begin with. Whatever it was, it was pure stupidity on his part that is going to hurt and affect a lot of other people. To bad he won't have the chance to learn anything from it. keep on ridin' George From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 14:10:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98579 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2008 21:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2008 21:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2008 21:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2008 21:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2008 21:10:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:10:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4867ED0B.1020804@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.160.116.221 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Teen killed at Six Flags Over Georgia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=SLuJwWsInLoRsPLawRfUflr14EV9SjJuO_CpeISRJzBzNzahjzae X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > > A couple of the reports I've read said that he and his friend had=20 left=20 > the park for lunch, and were trying to come back into the park=20=20 through=20 > the coaster area instead of through the gates. >=20 Hand stamp woulda been a better idea...maybe they went out without=20 getting that. My recollection from last month is that sections of Batman are pretty=20 close to the perimeter fence around the park, but I don't recall the=20 positioning of inner security fences in those areas. Mike=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 07:20:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49470 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2008 14:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2008 14:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2008 14:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2008 14:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2008 14:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2008 14:20:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:20:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Busy, travel and what-not X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=i0Eubwxh5sYtiJq0gHbu_KeS8PEewFpYcmn9HCu9s428Vrc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I feel remiss about not posting over the last week, but with my work schedule, and preparing for a trip this week, I've been rather busy. I even had to hear about the decapitation from my other-half! So, I'm off to Cedar Point, on Wednesday, as part of my annual Square Dance trip (www.iagsdc.org). I have not been there since -- hold on to your hats for this -- 1995! Of course, this means there will be quite a few new-to-me coasters. See y'all in a week. ttfn...Alan From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 08:51:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26611 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2008 15:50:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2008 15:50:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2008 15:50:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61858 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2008 15:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.140.100] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:50:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <629324.61606.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Busy, travel and what-not X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=MwG2kJLU94Yhr-28ylyM5udofHoi0m7XP5d-_ReL-gGEffoHwYqW8VLS6z6L3Vb2 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Enjoy your trip to Ohio.=A0 You will be quite amazed at how much CP has cha= nged since 1995.=A0 The weather here is supposed to be rather nice later th= is week and into next. =A0 Wiley --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Alan wrote: From: Alan Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Busy, travel and what-not To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 10:20 AM I feel remiss about not posting over the last week, but with my work schedule, and preparing for a trip this week, I've been rather busy. I even had to hear about the decapitation from my other-half! So, I'm off to Cedar Point, on Wednesday, as part of my annual Square Dance trip (www.iagsdc. org). I have not been there since -- hold on to your hats for this -- 1995! Of course, this means there will be quite a few new-to-me coasters. 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It's been a great 34 years. I've=A0visited = at least once every year, and here's hoping for many more. =A0 Mike=A0 --- On Tue, 7/1/08, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 1:50 AM #yiv1348590301 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} #yiv1348590301 {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} #yiv1348590301 .propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;v= ertical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} #yiv1348590301 .propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align= :top;} #yiv1348590301 .divider{width:5px;} #yiv1348590301 #main {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px= 0;margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv1348590301 #main_info {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px 10px;= clear:both;width:505px;} #yiv1348590301 .header_images {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10= px;} #yiv1348590301 #header_yahoo_image {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;= background-repeat:no-repeat;height:28px;text-align:left;} #yiv1348590301 #header_second_image {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px= ;height:38px;} #yiv1348590301 .header_spacer {height:10px;} #yiv1348590301 .line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} #yiv1348590301 #copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} #yiv1348590301 #main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px= 15px;} #yiv1348590301 #tip_footer {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} #yiv1348590301 .clear_line{font-size:8px;} Reminder from: =A0 RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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She's working in merchandise near Maverick. (But then, you wouldn't know her, would you?) :-) Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jul 01 22:50:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40076 invoked by uid 7800); 2 Jul 2008 05:50:14 -0000 Date: 2 Jul 2008 05:50:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1214977814.8.40075.m53@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=YNbd1jD46UfLA0YS1214977811-1" --YCalReminder=YNbd1jD46UfLA0YS1214977811-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Lightning opened Wednesday July 2, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=YNbd1jD46UfLA0YS1214977811-1-- From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 03:28:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30745 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 10:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 10:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 10:28:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10120 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2008 10:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [68.160.116.221] by web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:28:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 03:28:02 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1214977814.8.40075.m53@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <320273.9458.qm@web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Gallagher Reply-To: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=sPTTaCHaRomP9r4nQtvs_-xSAB1JJbMGDNbE7XVa1dSGkX9jpU6_ X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow..dead at the age of 6. From what I've read, Lightning was a mind-blowin= g and dangerous(??) ride. =A0 Mike --- On Wed, 7/2/08, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 1:50 AM #yiv709725108 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} #yiv709725108 {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} #yiv709725108 .propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;ve= rtical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} #yiv709725108 .propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align:= top;} #yiv709725108 .divider{width:5px;} #yiv709725108 #main {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px = 0;margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv709725108 #main_info {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px 10px;c= lear:both;width:505px;} #yiv709725108 .header_images {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10p= x;} #yiv709725108 #header_yahoo_image {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;b= ackground-repeat:no-repeat;height:28px;text-align:left;} #yiv709725108 #header_second_image {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px;= height:38px;} #yiv709725108 .header_spacer {height:10px;} #yiv709725108 .line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} #yiv709725108 #copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} #yiv709725108 #main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px = 15px;} #yiv709725108 #tip_footer {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} #yiv709725108 .clear_line{font-size:8px;} Reminder from: =A0 RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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Inc.=A0All Rights Reserve= d | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Jul 02 03:52:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96571 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 10:52:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 10:52:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qb-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.204.230) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 10:52:40 -0000 X-Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so1293587qbd.21 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:52:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.166.20 with SMTP id o20mr2968930wfe.245.1214995959832; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:52:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.101.5 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 03:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0807020352sd777e7dyf56690c2039299af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:52:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <178797.1726.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1214850492.2967.95147.m45@yahoogroups.com> <178797.1726.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Busy, travel and what-not X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=_k2OdG1EzQg-4KdyVBYG8myMyBMqFJNbmfuZXbJZBeudj2e4xg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm only an hour and 15 from CP, we're there every weekend or so. I'll just run around asking everyone if they're Jay's daughter. :) Josh On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > So, I'm off to Cedar Point, on Wednesday, < > > Say 'Hi' to our daughter. She's working in merchandise near Maverick. (But > then, you wouldn't know her, would you?) :-) > > Jay > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 17:31:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71335 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 00:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 00:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 00:31:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15174 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 00:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:31:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:31:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1215025456.3422.36948.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <242228.14807.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Busy, Travel and what-not X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Etp2vw1Ai6eZ6F-kb9TqvXT6vBRVBe4aA0AWYbr9iwfyb4tVRs3R X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I'll just run around asking everyone if they're Jay's daughter. < Right, like you think she'd admit it? ;-) Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 17:38:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37560 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 00:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 00:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 00:38:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67998 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 00:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:38:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:38:06 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <300262.67231.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: TR: Hawaii X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=PLF4z9_-3OMWSV158TMUznBmT9j8AV2bgW-KRusYpOki7ko4V-Fg X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This one is a bit off-topic (though I do talk about two parks and a carny, plus an aquarium and a zoo) but I thought I'd post it if anyone was interested. It's ridiculously long and there are *lots* of photos. Those interested only in parks can scroll down to the Polynesian Cultural Center. History buffs might find the section on Pearl Harbor interesting. Enjoy! Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Jul 02 22:50:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65641 invoked by uid 7800); 3 Jul 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Date: 3 Jul 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1215064216.11.65640.m55@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=RtusIIMg387yM9illnKP4UZ1215064213-1" --YCalReminder=RtusIIMg387yM9illnKP4UZ1215064213-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Bellewaerde Park opened Thursday July 3, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium Notes: On this date in 1954, Toeristisch Centrum Bellewaerde opened. Later, in 1969, it became Safari Bellewaerde, then in 1972, Bellewaerde Park. In 2002 it took on the Six Flags branding; but by 2006, it was sold, and the name returned to Bellewaerde Park. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=RtusIIMg387yM9illnKP4UZ1215064213-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=RtusIIMg387yM9illnKP4UZ1215064213-1-- From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 04:42:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35104 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 11:42:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 11:42:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 11:42:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44808 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 11:41:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.140.100] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:41:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 04:41:59 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <300262.67231.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <768288.43999.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Hawaii X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=zk1_WQVAImMcMalvstVukya9XaNar0S_h2ulPl2DcOCygFqcNuvCndYWyGwFy6GX X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nice tr Jay.=A0 The photos were amazing.=A0 I really liked the Pearl H= arbor photos. --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Jay Ducharme wrote: From: Jay Ducharme Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Hawaii To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 8:38 PM This one is a bit off-topic (though I do talk about two parks and a carny, = plus an aquarium and a zoo) but I thought I'd post it if anyone was interes= ted. It's ridiculously long and there are *lots* of photos. Those interested only in parks can scroll down to the Polynesian Cultural C= enter. History buffs might find the section on Pearl Harbor interesting. En= joy! Jay =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 16:34:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88942 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 23:34:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 23:34:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 23:34:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81195 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 23:34:22 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:34:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <471677.79167.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: TR: Lake Compounce, June 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-k58DYdPnc58k6D6o8EvSzPSBnTrymaAD_0do_2WrmJ9PUcoCYtK X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For pictures, go here: === Karen and I made our first trip to Lake Compounce in two years. We got season passes, since we always enjoyed this park more than nearby Six Flags. This would be the final season of ownership by the Kennywood group. The park had added a new ride, Zoomers, the previous year. For this season the major investment was a complete re-tracking of their huge wood coaster Boulder Dash. The entrance still struck me as one of the most beautiful I've ever seen. It perfectly captured the essense of a traditional amusement park. The white lift hill of the Wildcat coaster formed the backdrop. In front of that was Main Street, a brightly colored row of concessions that appeared to have been built in the 1800s. In front of that was the ornate entrance gate. And in the middle of the entrance plaza was a large raised circular flower bed with a cheery carousel horse in the middle. It was about 11:00 and there were lots of people milling about. In a few minutes, we had our season passes processed and walked onto Main Street. We were hungry, so the first order of business was to get some Potato Patch french fries from the nearby stand. As usual they were really tasty and hit the spot. We headed in a counter-clockwise progression around the park. The Zoomerang coaster had been given a new coat of paint. The color scheme was a bit unusual (purple track with an aqua structure) but it looked really nice. The huge waterfall below the Pirate ride was running full blast and looked impressive. At the far end of that stretch of midway was Zoomer's Gas N' Go, a very similar ride to the Cadillac cars at Great Escape. It wasn't like an antique car ride, where you had to actually depress a pedal. The electric cars were completely automatic. Very little of the ride was visible from the loading station. The track ran along the hillside opposite the Zoomerang. It was nicely themed with a sort of 1950s look. There were a few humorous surprises along the route, plus a tunnel. Zoomer's was a perfect addition for the park, a good family ride that was fun and nicely landscaped. One of my favorite flumes, Saw Mill Plunge, was down for the day. That was a shame because it was pretty hot out. Next to it was Thunder and Lightning, the S&S Screamin' Swings. Only one of the swings was operating, and it seemed to take forever to load it. But once it got going, the riders seemed to have a great time. We walked on by. The Enterprise had been given a facelift a few years back and looked good in gleaming copper. We walked over to Boulder Dash. This remarkable coaster was always good, but for one reason or another it was just shy of great. One reason was that in recent years it had begun to ride pretty rough. But the main reason was the ending of the ride. Although the coaster picked up speed continuously all the way to the brakes -- an amazing achievement in itself -- the home stretch was basically a set of repeating bunny hops that was punctuated by a long stretch of trick track, a somewhat flat run where the track tilted left then right. The trick track that Custom Coasters had created for Shivering Timbers at Michigan's Adventure worked beautifully. But for some reason, the stretch Custom Coasters created on Boulder Dash never lived up to its potential. It was basically a long flat section that felt like a let-down. I had heard that when Great Coasters International re-tracked the coaster, they also redesigned the end of the ride. Karen and I were eager to find out what they did. There was a long line for the front seat, but it moved fairly quickly. Karen noticed that the train colors had changed; they used to be blue and red, but the red had been replaced by a green train. After about fifteen minutes, we were seated. After eight years, the lift hill area had matured nicely. The chain dragged us up into a lush forested area. We turned the corner at the top of the hill and then plunged back down toward the station. The ride was definitely smoother, but it hadn't lost any of its force. We were flung up out of our seats and thrown to the right on the sharp hill and turn that followed. The coaster was a non-stop adrenaline rush, tossing us one way and then the other. There was only the slightest let-up at the top of the turnaround, and then we were blasting back along the bouncing route back to the station. As we neared the north trolley station, we were thrown up and out of our seats one--two--three times in rapid succession, then plunged down one of the longest drops on the ride and then flew up and into the brakes. Everyone on the train was clapping and cheering. That was what Boulder Dash had been missing all those years -- a dynamic finish. Now it had one. The triple-up was a simple change, but GCI had taken an otherwise anti-climactic section of track and made it surprising and fun. The coaster was comfortable and re-rideable, but it was also intense. Like Waldameer's new Ravine Flyer II, Boulder Dash successfully managed to be a family thriller. Karen and I left the ride smiling and continued walking south down the midway. The nearby gift shop had some new apparel, and I was happy to see that there were new Boulder Dash shirts with fresh designs. A little further down the midway, the Carousel grill was still serving veggie burgers, a welcome addition to the usual park food. The old carousel still looked great and the band organ sounded strong and precise. Nearby was a tempting familiar smell that I couldn't pass up. I purchased a bag of honey-roasted cashews, and Karen got a bag of pecans. We wandered as we munched, passing by the crowded waterpark. We circled around the lazy river and up toward the trolley station. There was Boulder Dash's new triple-up. I had to look at it for a while to make sure I was seeing it correctly. It didn't look like much, but it sure packed a whallop when we rode it. We watched a train fly through it, and sure enough people were popping out of their seats. Karen noticed that the beautiful swan boats that used to float on the lake were gone. The Mark Twain paddlewheeler was gone as well. I noticed a small platform far off down the north end of the lake. It appeared to be fenced off with an orange ring. We couldn't make out what it was. I asked a nearby security guard. He told us it was a golf green. It was a game, located next to the south trolley station snack bar on a previously unused piece of land. The challenge was tempting: you got 3 balls for $5, plus one practice ball. If you got your shot to stay on the green, you would win a large prize. If you got a hole in one, you would win four (!) season passes. So I gave it a try. I was a surprisingly terrible golfer. I managed to hit one way past the orange border, but none of my shots even came close to the green. To make matters worse, the green was slanted down toward the tee. Another guy stepped up to the tee and seemed to know what he was doing. He hit one into the water, but then both of his next shots landed squarely on the green. He walked away with two big prizes. Karen and I were getting warm, and there was no better way to cool off than on Thunder Rapids. It was a fairly long wait, but most of the queue was under cover. The giant rock at the far end of the ride was once again spraying water down onto the unsuspecting riders. We ended up in a raft with a group of children, who had a great time. Karen and I got mildly wet, but the kids got drenched. It was a refreshing break. Our traditional way of drying off was to take the half-hour trip on Lake Compounce's amazing Sky Ride. It was always a great way to unwind. The trip was peaceful, with turkey buzzards flying only a few feet away from us. It also offered spectacular vistas of the surrounding valley. As we left the Sky Ride, the trolley had just pulled in to the south station. But Karen and I decided to take a more leisurely trip, so we walked to the far southern end of the park to catch the train. The engine, a standard Chance C.P. Huntington, looked brand new. Soon we were on our way alongside the lake. The park looked so serene reflected in the still water. We walked back down the midway and past the colorful kiddieland, which had been eradicated of Garfield references. There were beautiful plantings everywhere. Then we walked up by Ghost Hunt, which had a sizeable crowd. It was enjoyable just to be in the park, absorbing the atmosphere. We felt no pressure to ride everything we saw. We decided to have dinner and were torn between the veggie burger or one of the park's delicious pizzas. The pizzas won out. We ordered a whole cheese, since they were going to have to make one anyway to get us a slice. I don't know what it was about the thin crust they've always used, but it was really delicious. We sat on the deck of the Crok Pot, overlooking the lazy river, staring out at the expanse of blue water. We ended up with a few pieces of pizza left. There were two teenage boys behind us, and Karen suggested giving the rest of our food to them. They were surprised and delighted when I handed them the box. By then it was about 4:30, and we decided to head home. We passed by the sign that Kennywood erected, declaring the park the oldest in the country. I wondered what would become of the park under new management. As with Kennywood, I hoped the new owners recognized what made these places so appealing. It wasn't the rides. It wasn't the food. It wasn't the entertainment. It was the whole experience. We felt relaxed there, and we could pick and choose between any number of rides that we enjoyed. The park had a new exit -- through the gift shop, which had been reconfigured. There were some stunning new Boulder Dash ornaments. We bought two, and also picked up two of the new t-shirts. We had another wonderful time at Lake Compounce, and I'm glad we got season passes. Boulder Dash was amazing before, but it had been transformed into a truly great ride. We'll be returning for more exhilarating (and relaxing) fun! Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jul 04 09:48:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68478 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 16:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 16:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 16:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 16:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 16:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 16:48:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:48:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.4.109 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Sally Forth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Zyiz0V_bZfLlkrEX-PPgKRg7T3VC_DAztCzGklFXsiXkZ-t2Rb8- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The Italian comic strip ran a piece about coaster safety. (In the photo by= line, I mistakenly=20 called Francesco, Marcello.) Jay From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Jul 04 14:41:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53842 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 21:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 21:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 21:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 21:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 21:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 21:41:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:41:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.160.116.221 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: Sally Forth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=GzoLNFkOrslQZc-_sWYZVAxRs0TAdnIW7vVKuJ_r0739aQ_oTFo5 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 I posted this strip on another site back on the day it first=20 appeared..what a dream coaster, although it could never happen..and=20 even if it did, a park could never get it insured! 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--YCalReminder=1E6DvHAVSuYOASXTIG8CP1215237012-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 05 16:35:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40508 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2008 23:35:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2008 23:35:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2008 23:35:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91118 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2008 23:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:35:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 16:35:09 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1215279068.17972.34148.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <699201.90416.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MISC: Sally Forth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=_AOMnhf5GYrFL41sFg3q5O509U0Y9qg-aYnybXPviSH3EvYEGExY X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >what a dream coaster, although it could never happen..and even if it did, a park could never get it insured! < It actually did happen, but only in a test phase. Because of the vagaries of friction and weight distribution, the train couldn't reliably make the jump. The Cannon Coaster is documented in Cartmell's Incredible Scream Machine. You can also find it here: Jay From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Jul 05 16:46:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26689 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2008 23:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2008 23:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2008 23:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2008 23:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2008 23:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2008 23:46:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:46:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <699201.90416.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.160.116.221 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: Sally Forth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=vhQNpNNgNRol3UdJLRb1L73iXrO6qUdbeII4-R7mjpDOTiywqP3_ X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > >what a dream coaster, although it could never happen..and even if=20 it did, a park could never get it insured! < >=20 > It actually did happen, but only in a test phase. Because of the=20 vagaries of friction and weight distribution, the train couldn't=20 reliably make the jump. The Cannon Coaster is documented in=20 Cartmell's Incredible Scream Machine. You can also find it here: >=20 > >=20 > Jay > I was not aware a coaster like that was ever planned and designed. But now I'm mad at you, Jay...you had to post a link where the photo=20 included a billboard advertising clam chowder. I want some! Of=20 course, that sign would have been for Manhattan chowder...the black=20 sheep of the chowder family. You're in Mass., so you know where my=20 preference lies. Mike=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 05 17:43:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91274 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2008 00:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2008 00:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2008 00:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 00:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 00:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 00:43:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:43:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.4.109 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: OT: Clam Chowder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=NG4oU1ITBIBls-dT4Rj8l4CNcdOfV960VNJo5z0yYVkUFG22zuJb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > But now I'm mad at you, Jay...you had to post a link where the photo incl= uded a billboard=20 advertising clam chowder. I want some! Of course, that sign would have been= for Manhattan=20 chowder...the black sheep of the chowder family. You're in Mass., so you kn= ow where my=20=20 preference lies. < Yep. And the best place around to get some New England Clam Chowdah (IMHO)= is in=20 Holyoke on Northampton Street, at Nick's Nest. Believe it or not, the most recent place I had chowdah was in Hawai'i, at a= Subway! Our son=20 brought us there and it was on the menu. Quite tasty, to my surprise. Jay, who's sorry he's torturing you with thoughts of those thick juicy crea= my clams.... From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Jul 05 18:56:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25317 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2008 01:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2008 01:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2008 01:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 01:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 01:56:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:56:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.160.116.221 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: OT: Clam Chowder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=BBJE_eB_-vDC-NGnnek5cgQvQz6m1WrVecGtmrRF4hZywhL7UzHI X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- > > Jay, who's sorry he's torturing you with thoughts of those thick=20 juicy creamy clams.... > Stop it! Just stop it, Jay! SUUUUUUURE, you're sorry. Funny thing is, after I went to Bowcraft Playland yesterday, I went to=20 Red Lobster. I had fried scallops and fish, but debated between a cup=20 of NE chowdah, a slice of Key lime pie, or a Malibu Hurricane. I went=20 for the latter. Damn tasty, and their chowdah's a little too watery=20 anyway. I actually had a more-than-decent cup of NE chowdah at Compounce a=20 couple of years ago. 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--YCalReminder=ZIyRXfCqqDVA2EQG5Nc85UmaSOY4ULJ1215323410-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 05 23:53:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90133 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2008 06:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2008 06:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2008 06:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 06:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 06:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 06:53:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:53:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: OT: Clam Chowder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=_kNJ6TZjizmPqPGzAcqLT_3fQIf73S_UT6ln-_jOXSFCBZ-nUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 OK, enough already, you two! I'm drooling over here! The Clam Box of Ipswich, MA, thank you very much.=20 Oh, and I refer to 'the red stuff' as Claminestrone, it doesn't=20 deserve the name 'Chowdah'.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher"=20 wrote: > > --- > > > Jay, who's sorry he's torturing you with thoughts of those thick=20 > juicy creamy clams.... > > > Stop it! Just stop it, Jay! >=20 > SUUUUUUURE, you're sorry. >=20 > Funny thing is, after I went to Bowcraft Playland yesterday, I went=20 to=20 > Red Lobster. I had fried scallops and fish, but debated between a=20 cup=20 > of NE chowdah, a slice of Key lime pie, or a Malibu Hurricane. I=20 went=20 > for the latter. Damn tasty, and their chowdah's a little too watery=20 > anyway. >=20 > I actually had a more-than-decent cup of NE chowdah at Compounce a=20 > couple of years ago. >=20 > Mike > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sun Jul 06 17:28:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27082 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 00:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 00:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 00:28:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 102 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2008 00:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.160.116.221] by web35702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:28:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:28:34 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <109008.99453.qm@web35702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Gallagher Reply-To: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Subject: TR..Bowcraft Playland 7/4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=HYo13K-XO-fNFoXjuMQUGqlQSbNgqrs22HEGdtaY3O5D8lgIGRsn X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, so more than thirty years after my last and only visit, I made it bac= k to Bowcraft Playland. It's a park right on a major commercial highway, Rt= . 22 in Scotch Plains here in Jersey. About a 40 minute ride.. This park mu= st have opened in the 50's. I was talking to my buddy Dan yesterday, and he= told me something I didn't know. The name came about because it was appare= ntly founded as a site for archery, with rides being added as it became suc= cessful. Another fellow I work with, an older gentleman, informed me the pl= ace at one time housed an ice rink. Hugh was a champion skater, so he shoul= d know. I remembered mini-golf, a couple of rides, a pinball/skee-ball arca= de..but 30+ years is a long time.=20 =A0 Weather forcast was for cloudy, some rain, occasional sun. I pulled into on= e of the parking slots right by the front gate facing Rt. 22. There was no = one at the parking booth, and only two other vehicles there, so I didn't pa= y for parking. I arrived about 10:10 a.m. Park was due to open at 10, so I = figured they were delaying the opening. So I stayed in the car and read my = New York Post. About 10:40 I wandered into the arcade, which was open..the = gates to the park were locked and there was no activity within. The lady at= the junk prize counter told me they were opening at 11 due to the weather = forecast.=20 =A0 The drizzle had stopped by then, so I waited by the gate with about 8 or 9 = others. The gate swung open about 10:55. The park goes only with P.O.P...Wi= thout tax, 15.95 for the non-kiddies, about 7-8 bucks more for the (much) y= ounger generation. Apparently, it wasn't too long ago the park switched exc= lusively to P.O.P, which I prefer...all of the rides featured signage stati= ng the number of tickets required.=20 =A0 I hit the Tilt-a-Whirl first. Extremely long ride cycle, nearly three times= the standard. I never got that real back-crushing vibe until about 2/3 of = the way through. Followed that up with a ride on the Scrambler, then Music = Express. Another long cycle on ME forward, followed by a standard backwards= spin. I hate the ones that that don't go both ways!=20 =A0 Walked up a little hill to the nice looking Crossbow family coaster, a Zier= er opened two years ago. Nobody riding but me for the first two, joined by = a dad and his two young' uns afterward. Trains were a little unusual, two a= cross, very tall backs, rather comfortable, pretty open. Not much to speak = of on height or speed, but a couple of real nice banked turns. Since the si= des were so open it was easy to lean into the curves. The track colors are = blue and white/grayish, which, along with the pattern of the trackwork, mad= e me visualize a pygmy version of Millennium Force. I got ten rides at that= juncture without having to leave the station..although I did change seats = a couple times, I always had front or back. Figured I'd come back for more = later, and I did. Ended up with 23 Crossbow rides for the short time I was = there. When the attendant made me get off for my next ride, I called it qui= ts. Still dunno why he suddenly got gun-shy. Heck, he wasn't even checking my lap bar!..although he checked my fellow riders'.=20 =A0 The other coaster in the park is=A0 a Wisdom Dragon. I guess Wisdom is the = manufacturer. I remember the Dragon vaguely from my long-ago early 70's vis= it, although RCDB does not provide the year of opening. It's much smaller t= han Crossbow, but=A0it still provides a nice ride.=A0I didn't care for the = front seat because the Dragon's head is just too damn big!..not that there'= s much to see on Rt. 22. I ended the day with 30 rides on Dragon...a new(ad= mittedly modest vis-a-vis others on here) one-day, one coaster record for m= e. What the heck...=20 =A0 =A0 Best thing about this park is the way they maintain and take care of a smal= l collection of flats. They also have a Paratrooper, Galleon, bumper cars(l= ap bars only..no straps! I luv it!) and Swings. Their "Drop Zone" is about = 1/50 the size of the standard at large parks, and Frogger is a miniature ve= rsion of THAT! The gas-powered drive-yourself Speedway had only two cars ru= nning, but the course is so short it didn't matter. Three others were being= worked on in plain sight. The train ride around the park is also very shor= t..the park, after all, is only a couple acres at most. There are statues o= f animals ringing the train track, including a dolphin that looks out of pl= ace among the lions and tigers and bears..Oh My!=20 =A0 Let's talk AIR TIME. Roller coasters? Nah. Non-existent. On the other hand.= ..I walked over to what I guess we always called the Banana Slide..the fibe= rglass kind where ya slide down on a burlap sack. I said to the pretty youn= g lady attending, "Am I too big to trip the light fantastic?" She was quick= on her feet. She says, "No, you're too SMALL!" Still chuckling I headed up= the VERY narrow steps to the top. I got in position, sitting upright on th= e burlap, and started my descent. One hump, still sitting. Two humps, still= sitting. Third hump? Forget it! Up in the air about six-eight inches, land= hard, and through the home stretch sprawled on my back, every which way bu= t loose! Travelled about 5-7 feet across the Astroturf at the end, too. Did= n't hurt..most fun I had all day!=20 =A0 Went into the arcade searching for a you-know-what and was directed downsta= irs. The men's was sealed tighter than a drum, so I figured it was occupied= . WRONG! Out of commission, so I hadda make use of the opposite gender's fa= cility. What a rathole. Seems like they've kept everything nice and clean w= ith the exception of Los Banos. Those are also the only facilities in the p= ark. The upper part of the arcade is mostly ticket- spewing Skee-Ball, Slot= s, etc. But downstairs are video games, new and old, two full-size air hock= ey tables, and (I thought it was a mirage..) three pinball machines! The Mo= nopoly one ate my tokens. After getting them replaced, I played South Park = and Lord Of The Rings.=20 =A0 There's only one food stand to speak of...reasonably priced. I only had my = usual pretzel and a fruit punch..but together, only 4 bucks. Good looking p= izza(2.50 slice) hot dog (1.95) and funnel cake, onion rings, mozzarella st= ix..all less than 5 bucks. It's a Pepsi park, by the way.=20 Before I left,I got to wondering how this little park has survived. Land on= Rt. 22 is extremely valuable. Granted, I was there on a holiday, but there= couldn't have been 150 people there. It's probably beacause a nice little = place to bring young children without the hassles that come with taking the= m to major theme parks.=20 =A0 I spent three hours there. I hit Red Lobster for lunch and decided to sprin= g for a Malibu Hurricane to go with my scallops and fish...Coconut rum, fru= it juice, and Southern Comfort. I drink only occasionally, but that was a t= asty capper to a not bad day.=20 =A0 Thanks for reading.=20 =A0 Mike Post Reply=A0 | =A0Reply w/Quote=A0 | =A0Edit Post =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Jul 06 22:50:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24858 invoked by uid 7800); 7 Jul 2008 05:50:17 -0000 Date: 7 Jul 2008 05:50:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1215409817.10.24857.m52@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=kUAtUnmgByTZN6UTCK6ya33rPzoJtCW1215409814-1" --YCalReminder=kUAtUnmgByTZN6UTCK6ya33rPzoJtCW1215409814-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Kirchhellener Märchenwald opened Monday July 7, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Bottrop, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany Notes: On this date in 1967, Kirchhellener Märchenwald opened its doors. Later in 1977, it became Traumlandpark; then in 1968 Neue Traumland; later still, in 1992, to Bavaria Filmpark Bottrop. In 1996 it became Warner Brothers Movie World Germany. In 2000 it was given the Six Flags branding, but by 2004 it was sold once more to become Movie Park Germany in 2005. (phew!) All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=kUAtUnmgByTZN6UTCK6ya33rPzoJtCW1215409814-1 Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252;
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--YCalReminder=kUAtUnmgByTZN6UTCK6ya33rPzoJtCW1215409814-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 17:13:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3245 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2008 00:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2008 00:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2008 00:13:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44784 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2008 00:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:13:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:13:07 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <480164.44400.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: TR..Bowcraft Playland 7/4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=MYzujjpJRvLRwRWoL2uolv07k5_NpwYKz2NYKH5PYvr3sShpepUz X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Nice TR, Mike. I enjoy hearing about little off-the-beaten-path places like Bowcraft, and I appreciated the brief history. As for how places like that are able to survive: remember that they don't have anywhere near the overhead of a bigger park, and so can often operate comfortably without having the midway packed every day. If they manage their expenses properly, those smaller parks should be able to prosper. Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Jul 07 22:50:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4598 invoked by uid 7800); 8 Jul 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Date: 8 Jul 2008 05:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1215496216.9.4597.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Jmll1vrxMJ1DaxKJD1215496213-1" --YCalReminder=Jmll1vrxMJ1DaxKJD1215496213-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Tidal Wave opened Tuesday July 8, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Santa Clara, California Notes: On this date in 1977, Tidal Wave opened at (Marriott's) Great America in Santa Clara, California. Later in 1999, it would change its name to Greased Lightnin'. This shuttle coaster designed by Anton Schwarzkopf, is credited with being one of the first Weight Drop Launch coasters. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=Jmll1vrxMJ1DaxKJD1215496213-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=Jmll1vrxMJ1DaxKJD1215496213-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 08 13:52:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76407 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2008 20:52:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2008 20:52:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2008 20:52:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44586 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2008 20:52:35 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:52:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:52:35 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <742475.44425.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: MISC: Happy 3000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=aomixR_rz5VYl-NwdSW3hA1A6XAMZJDMeLRbf23C0vuY9TeVm9OE X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For those of you who receive the digest version of these mailings, this message is contained within a milestone of sorts: the 3000th RollerCoasterTalk daily digest! That means we've been together on this list for over eight years. Thanks to everyone who participates (especially our moderators) and has made this such a fun and informative place to be. Jay From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 18:58:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66797 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2008 01:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2008 01:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2008 01:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 01:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 01:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 01:58:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:58:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.131.118.251 From: "bri_man2007" Subject: Michigan's adventure trip pics posted. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=1i-sJjL_vwT_aHWBa-S7ihmIh0Y6sx4JhINzAQIlKOscGowXN-c X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 I spent a few hours at Michigan's Adventure in June of 08. I took=20 several pictures with my new camera. I was able to take several nice=20 photos of the parks new thunderhawk inverted coaster. I have hundreds of pictures from previous visits to Michigan's=20 adventure dating all the way back to the Deer Park funland days. Watch for more pics from my park visits. Including some from Cedar=20 Point, Indiana beach, and Six flags Great America. Might be some time before I get them all together. In the mean time=20 enjoy the pics. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 06:23:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66108 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2008 13:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2008 13:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2008 13:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 13:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 13:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 13:23:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:23:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <742475.44425.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Happy 3000! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=s1N_1dnhIx7uHNllMS9WuR-FTXlXoeRs_raPrABhpZ8k_Pt8pA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Just for fun, I was looking at the first 50-100 posts at the Yahoo=20 Group and I'm very impressed at how many of those people are still=20 here 6 years later! Here's to the next 8 years! Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > For those of you who receive the digest version of these mailings,=20 this message is contained within a milestone of sorts: the 3000th=20 RollerCoasterTalk daily digest! That means we've been together on=20 this list for over eight years. Thanks to everyone who participates=20 (especially our moderators) and has made this such a fun and=20 informative place to be. >=20 > Jay > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Jul 10 10:35:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21445 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2008 17:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2008 17:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2008 17:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb5.381f6ad6 (37180) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:35:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.104] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA053-913c4876484c247; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: <4876484D.8010504@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:35:09 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Michigan's adventure trip pics posted. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=UPK4Xp-2BMBQNv7SL2reXBbayjehryWJGCzXyTs6c8hh9gcGdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo bri_man2007 wrote: > I spent a few hours at Michigan's Adventure in June of 08. I took > several pictures with my new camera. I was able to take several nice > photos of the parks new thunderhawk inverted coaster. > > I have hundreds of pictures from previous visits to Michigan's > adventure dating all the way back to the Deer Park funland days. > > Watch for more pics from my park visits. Including some from Cedar > Point, Indiana beach, and Six flags Great America. > > Might be some time before I get them all together. In the mean time > enjoy the pics. > Nice shots. I love to get a nice clear day like that with the puffy white clouds, really makes rides pop. BTW, the photos are posted in the group's photo section: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/browse/677e -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... 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--YCalReminder=GSMZiWLJ5PbnFlAVQzbJqnGbkhfGdQI1215755406-1-- From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Jul 11 04:36:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93675 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 11:36:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 11:36:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-186.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 11:36:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3754 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2008 11:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 11:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KHGvR-0008AU-DN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:36:33 -0600 Message-Id: <88E04921-12E7-465A-91E6-1613983D75D5@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:37:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: DomainKey-Status: no signature X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=AXsXBoq3GGEdRUcN1XwGzHr8gNvmTSVuIacam73jnqVWrwcX4tUx X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman I was watching this video on the New York Times site about the PA wood coasters. Not the most informational video, but they have a POV clip of the Ravine Flyer II at the end of it, and also a 10 second interview with one of the guys from the Gravity Group. Looks like a pretty good ride, more like something GCI would have designed. http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=140d7204295d7598498b3678493468402ad882bc Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jul 11 05:42:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80585 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 12:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 12:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 12:42:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22083 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 12:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 11 Jul 2008 12:42:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <88E04921-12E7-465A-91E6-1613983D75D5@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <88E04921-12E7-465A-91E6-1613983D75D5@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:42:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=0S3dyYjiycK9lUbbIvcYnaHEoRgv3J65W5rhKXN8uQoRL3WB X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Ravine Flyer II is a fantastic ride .. I honestly wasn't expecting anything near this good (given the other Gravity Group wooden coasters I'd ridden), but RVII is really impressive. It could easily be named "The Raven II" :) Cameron. On Jul 11, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Mike Filippone wrote: > I was watching this video on the New York Times site about the PA wood > coasters. Not the most informational video, but they have a POV clip > of the Ravine Flyer II at the end of it, and also a 10 second > interview with one of the guys from the Gravity Group. Looks like a > pretty good ride, more like something GCI would have designed. > > http://video.on.nytimes.com/? > fr_story=140d7204295d7598498b3678493468402ad882bc > > Mike > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Have you seen * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** this chicken? * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 06:35:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33044 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 13:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 13:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 13:35:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16474 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2008 13:35:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.140.100] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:35:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:35:34 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <870831.16448.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Nice article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=7_87Syqq7TomfK3NrDXFlyvhzdkR4ad5Z0fbkxk9flYpYUOCWtmIqrzExfkSEG4o X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found this article today about wooden coasters in Pa.=A0 There is a prett= y nice video showing some POV on Ravine Flyer II. =A0 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/travel/escapes/11roller.html?_r=3D1&ref= =3Dtravel&oref=3Dslogin =A0 Ridin' till I'm dyin' Wiley =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 09:10:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 457 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 16:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2008 16:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 16:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 16:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 16:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 16:10:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:10:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=fgl0lySoWS8h3N6CakUY2ZzagwVDvMPSeh08zsXKYMVqsx7N9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 While I do think it's a really good ride, and a great fit for=20 Waldameer, I really don't understand what you find similar to Raven,=20 Cameron. Could you clarify for me?=20 Chris =20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > Ravine Flyer II is a fantastic ride .. I honestly wasn't expecting=20=20 > anything near this good (given the other Gravity Group wooden=20=20 > coasters I'd ridden), but RVII is really impressive. It could=20 easily=20=20 > be named "The Raven II" :) >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > On Jul 11, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Mike Filippone wrote: >=20 > > I was watching this video on the New York Times site about the PA=20 wood > > coasters. Not the most informational video, but they have a POV=20 clip > > of the Ravine Flyer II at the end of it, and also a 10 second > > interview with one of the guys from the Gravity Group. Looks=20 like a > > pretty good ride, more like something GCI would have designed. > > > > http://video.on.nytimes.com/?=20 > > fr_story=3D140d7204295d7598498b3678493468402ad882bc > > > > Mike > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > > RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread=20 the=20=20 > > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing! Yahoo!=20=20 > > Groups Links > > > > > > >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver: ** Have you seen = =20 * ,_~o > cameron@... ** this chicken? * / //\ > ****************************************************************=20=20=20 \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. = =20 * \, > From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Jul 12 09:39:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44035 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 16:39:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2008 16:39:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 16:39:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26268 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 16:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 12 Jul 2008 16:39:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4CC81719-4058-4F78-900D-238D691C78A9@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:39:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ObYBb2iXspFBOh5LVFxIatqxJPv8AHZVU-RZp--9vCrauvnj X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Chris, It's short, to the point, fun, and twisted with good forces. Also, I hear that night rides are spectacular! Cameron. On Jul 12, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Chris wrote: > While I do think it's a really good ride, and a great fit for > Waldameer, I really don't understand what you find similar to Raven, > Cameron. Could you clarify for me? > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver > wrote: >> >> >> Ravine Flyer II is a fantastic ride .. I honestly wasn't expecting >> anything near this good (given the other Gravity Group wooden >> coasters I'd ridden), but RVII is really impressive. It could > easily >> be named "The Raven II" :) >> >> Cameron. >> >> On Jul 11, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Mike Filippone wrote: >> >>> I was watching this video on the New York Times site about the PA > wood >>> coasters. Not the most informational video, but they have a POV > clip >>> of the Ravine Flyer II at the end of it, and also a 10 second >>> interview with one of the guys from the Gravity Group. Looks > like a >>> pretty good ride, more like something GCI would have designed. >>> >>> http://video.on.nytimes.com/? >>> fr_story=140d7204295d7598498b3678493468402ad882bc >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ >>> RollerCoasterTalk >>> bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. >>> >>> Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread > the >>> word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing! > Yahoo! >>> Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Cameron Silver: ** Have you seen > * ,_~o >> cameron@... ** this chicken? * / //\ >> **************************************************************** > \>> | >> I'd rather be Skiing. > * \, >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** All the ducks are * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** swimming in the water * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 15:37:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51969 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2008 22:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2008 22:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2008 22:37:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71001 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2008 22:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:36:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:36:59 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1216074917.5.50330.m52@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <988022.70571.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=gvn8ZDWJ8f3TFxK-gXsSvgoy9W_HRTVuNVqk9jfBoTkSiFs20e_i X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > RVII is really impressive. It could easily be named "The Raven II" < It could, but why insult it? :-P Raven was an okay ride, but I think it has more in common with the Beast (except with more airtime). I think RFII is much closer to Hades than Raven: besides being incredibly intense, on both the only breather you get is at the turnaround, which is located in a completely different area that's not really even part of the park; both coasters dive through tunnels to get back and forth from their respective "islands"; both coasters have confusing, manic endings consisting of a knot of disorienting track near the station. Overall I like RFII better because it's much more re-rideable, and gives a spectacular view of Lake Erie. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 15:52:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5360 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 22:52:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:52:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.4.109 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Tilt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=jnip4QHmPh6roFAOpg1f2Ihn5qmdBUL2N8INb7q3nZ9Kx0rIBeaH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I too took a trip back in time to 2001 and read some of the first posts. I= nteresting stuff. Does anyone know whatever became of Giovanola's Tilt coaster? AFAIK, two w= ere built. Are=20 they still operating? Jay From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 16:49:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5790 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:49:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.160.116.221 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: Tilt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=QDYJa1l8SWzLdhvHlHmHrpgX0eOhaJGDNk_mpw2cHdrWKDARW4wy X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > I too took a trip back in time to 2001 and read some of the first=20 posts. Interesting stuff. >=20 > Does anyone know whatever became of Giovanola's Tilt coaster? AFAIK,=20 two were built. Are=20 > they still operating? >=20 > Jay > I'm disappointed..when I saw the post's title, Jay, I thought it was=20 gonna be about pinball! Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jul 14 16:51:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62549 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2008 23:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2008 23:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2008 23:51:49 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so6067108wfd.5 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.255.14 with SMTP id c14mr4411984wfi.296.1216079509267; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0807141651m5b7e342fk50c0bb179bbbc3b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:51:49 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <988022.70571.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216074917.5.50330.m52@yahoogroups.com> <988022.70571.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=14YRbfis0u5W6dTEl9J-IAzZ3KvSAPgT7F_aIzn9fenK4BDAKA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to mention, you don't have to submit to a breathalyzer before getting on RFII. There, I said it. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > RVII is really impressive. It could easily be named "The Raven II" < > > It could, but why insult it? :-P > > Raven was an okay ride, but I think it has more in common with the Beast > (except with more airtime). I think RFII is much closer to Hades than Raven: > besides being incredibly intense, on both the only breather you get is at > the turnaround, which is located in a completely different area that's not > really even part of the park; both coasters dive through tunnels to get back > and forth from their respective "islands"; both coasters have confusing, > manic endings consisting of a knot of disorienting track near the station. > Overall I like RFII better because it's much more re-rideable, and gives a > spectacular view of Lake Erie. > > Jay > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 17:30:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15719 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 00:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2008 00:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 00:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 00:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 00:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 00:30:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:30:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0807141651m5b7e342fk50c0bb179bbbc3b0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.160.116.221 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=zfUf8pphZ-NrtDqRrz7DVaZJJ85utsECSiCfMh8lYQ7bl-7OrOY3 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Not to mention, you don't have to submit to a breathalyzer before=20 getting on > RFII. >=20 > There, I said it. >=20 >=20 >OK, at the risk of making a fool of myself...WHAT??!! Private joke? Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jul 14 17:43:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5158 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 00:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2008 00:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 00:43:08 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2136228ywa.84 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.173.8 with SMTP id v8mr740822wfe.221.1216082587345; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0807141743h580400d3h899a8bec8237096e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:43:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0807141651m5b7e342fk50c0bb179bbbc3b0@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=0u9YoMMLpvhlYUsRwIluB-7yyfZrzfEjNi7_TeJr6fsF-gCx6w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OH. I suspect you haven't heard? The thread was accidentally deleted from Coasterbuzz, but I'll see if I can find the TR's on RRC and link them. There were several "citations" given at Holiwood Nights this year (and I guess last too, to an extent, one of which resulted in a russian/broken english-speaking non-enthusiast 5-year ban (unsure of his native language)). This year, anyone who had gone to their hotel/campsite/restaurant and had glass or 2 of wine or a couple of beers that "smelled of alcohol" were asked to submit to a breath test, administered by park security. If said person declined, they were asked to leave for the night. If said person blew a .01 or higher, meaning the presence of ANY alcohol, (even if you just rinsed with listerine, unlikely but still..), they were also asked to leave for the night, given a written citation that will stay in their "enthusiast file" for a specified length of time, and I'm assuming, promised a 5-year ban upon repeat offense. Holiday World is a cool place, but it's not worth hassles of that degree. I enjoy my beers and liquors, even at the campground at Lake Rudolph in past SRM events, I'd chill at the RV and have a couple for refreshment, but getting drunk? especially at an event that is as hot and physically demanding as a HW ERT event, there's no way anyone in their right mind is coming in there hammered. Josh On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Josh W" > wrote: > > > > > Not to mention, you don't have to submit to a breathalyzer before > getting on > > RFII. > > > > There, I said it. > > > > > >OK, at the risk of making a fool of myself...WHAT??!! > > Private joke? > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 17:51:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19269 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 00:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2008 00:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 00:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 00:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 00:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 00:51:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:51:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.59.74.78 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: MISC: Tilt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=skmFH_Xt6IkQGIQuPurK4F_NW-xbGTSTapK0F9tIA2au9cu_1NuNLwH05aEH X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" wrote: > > I too took a trip back in time to 2001 and read some of the first posts. Interesting stuff. >=20 > Does anyone know whatever became of Giovanola's Tilt coaster?=20 AFAIK, two were built. Are=20 > they still operating? >=20 > Jay > Giovanola never made tilt coasters as far as I know (the ones where the track moves and connects to the other piece?) but Vekoma built one that's still operating somewhere in Asia. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 23:06:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56805 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 06:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2008 06:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 06:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 06:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 06:06:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:06:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Tilt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=FrEJpKMeyw13WphS8GwYjzeiS50ZXWrAKHIRjERblBuQXcFFkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Vekoma's single Tilt Coaster installation is named Gravity Max, and=20 it's at Discovery World in Taiwan. Definitely near the top of my list=20 of coasters that I'd like to go check out. It also completely=20 terrifies me.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bringing_saxy_back"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" > wrote: > > > > I too took a trip back in time to 2001 and read some of the first > posts. Interesting stuff. > >=20 > > Does anyone know whatever became of Giovanola's Tilt coaster?=20 > AFAIK, two were built. Are=20 > > they still operating? > >=20 > > Jay > > >=20 > Giovanola never made tilt coasters as far as I know (the ones where > the track moves and connects to the other piece?) but Vekoma built=20 one > that's still operating somewhere in Asia. > From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Jul 15 10:30:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23967 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 17:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2008 17:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2008 17:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 17:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2008 17:30:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:30:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <88E04921-12E7-465A-91E6-1613983D75D5@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=rDifwvrGcc8n0bsFkaaoe9WRH7L_c_aRUEuBCiN2d1L8pe5Cow X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 I'm shocked at B. Derek Shaw's actions...loosening the seatbelt. Ever=20 since the tragedy at Holiday World a few years back, ACE has been on=20 its members to *not* loosen restraints, especially if you can be caught=20 doing it while representing ACE. Jon Z (former ACE member) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone=20 wrote: > > I was watching this video on the New York Times site about the PA=20 wood=20=20 > coasters. Not the most informational video, but they have a POV=20 clip=20=20 > of the Ravine Flyer II at the end of it, and also a 10 second=20=20 > interview with one of the guys from the Gravity Group. Looks like a=20=20 > pretty good ride, more like something GCI would have designed. >=20 > http://video.on.nytimes.com/? fr_story=3D140d7204295d7598498b3678493468402ad882bc >=20 > Mike > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 19:23:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16305 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 02:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 02:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 02:23:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78287 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2008 02:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.4.109] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:23:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:23:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <183556.78015.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MISC: Tilt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=D_IDf6SpMKxjpdOM-JPJKTjCvgMicIPcN1nFVkStoqXo8yWs_P47 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I'm disappointed..when I saw the post's title, Jay, I thought it was gonna be about pinball! < LOL! *Human* pinball in this case.... So this thing never came to pass? Or is the article simply misinformed? http://coasterbuzz.com/2003-29-340620.htm Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jul 15 22:50:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58143 invoked by uid 7800); 16 Jul 2008 05:50:10 -0000 Date: 16 Jul 2008 05:50:10 -0000 Message-ID: <1216187410.14.58139.m44@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: IAAPA Asian Expo 2008, 7/16/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=MsjDARkXlwOzw51AqhGBM1216187406-1" --YCalReminder=MsjDARkXlwOzw51AqhGBM1216187406-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=MsjDARkXlwOzw51AqhGBM1216187406-1-- From bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 11:40:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bringing_saxy_back@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53747 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 18:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 18:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 18:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 18:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 18:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 18:40:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <183556.78015.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.59.74.78 From: "bringing_saxy_back" Subject: Re: MISC: Tilt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330369612; y=H4y0Hz06UVb8MlvyezMSHqiV1_TH9sGJDo-uo_B1YLqHO--xEO9yEv52BguP X-Yahoo-Profile: bringing_saxy_back --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > I'm disappointed..when I saw the post's title, Jay, I thought it was gonna be about pinball! < >=20 > LOL! *Human* pinball in this case....=20=20 >=20 > So this thing never came to pass? Or is the article simply misinformed? >=20 > http://coasterbuzz.com/2003-29-340620.htm >=20 > Jay > No I think Giovanola's just never worked out, because in the comments on that CoasterBuzz page it said from the video/pictures that it tilted sideways and then down, whereas with Gravity Max it's just straight down. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jul 16 11:56:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63327 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 18:56:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:56:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: InBev to unload Busch Gardens? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Fj9K_oMt4VNjcKZtr70Mj6bpc0a6tpUfFY2SnlDTV_PsvQwBxEyfN2ssHg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 Can InBev sell Anheuser-Busch theme parks? By CHRISTOPHER LEONARD =96 17 hours ago=20 ST. LOUIS (AP) =97 When Anheuser-Busch executives announced a cost- cutting plan in June, they surprised analysts by not proposing to=20 sell the company's amusement parks and entertainment holdings.=20 Belgian brewer InBev is likely to be less sentimental. Having agreed to buy the largest U.S. brewer for $52 billion,=20 the "non-core assets" like Busch Gardens and SeaWorld seem likely to=20 go on the market. InBev SA is known for acquiring new companies and=20 aggressively slashing costs to pump up its bottom line. Chief=20 Executive Carlos Brito =97 who spent Tuesday touring Anheuser-Busch=20 Cos. Inc. headquarters in St. Louis and addressing employees =97 said=20 he is already looking for assets to unload, with the goal of saving=20 $1.5 billion annually by 2011. But even if InBev decides to spin off the theme park divisions, it's=20 not clear who would buy them. A troubled financial sector could make=20 it hard to line up billions of dollars to finance the deal, and many=20 big U.S. theme park operators are cutting costs amid rising fuel=20 prices and a sluggish economy. "I think if there were to be a buyer for the parks, it might come=20 from overseas. There are some deep-pocketed players overseas," said=20 Paul Ruben, North American editor for the England-based Park World=20 Trade Magazine. He estimated Anheuser-Busch's entertainment division=20 would fetch between $4 billion and $5 billion if sold. InBev has not yet said what parts of Anheuser-Busch it considers non- core. Anheuser-Busch's operations are broad, including a packaging=20 division, grain elevators and factories that make bottles and cans. But there is a clear incentive to sell the 10 theme parks operated by=20 the Busch Entertainment Corp. division, which have little do with=20 brewing beer and could fetch a high price. "I would say in all likelihood, the theme parks are the No. 1 thing=20 to go. The only question is: 'Is it now, or later?'" said financial=20 analyst Juli Niemann of Smith Moore & Co. in St. Louis. "It's not=20 (InBev's) business. They do one thing and one thing well. They brew." Likely suitors might include Merlin Entertainment Group, based in=20 England, or Spain-based Parques Reunidos, Ruben said. In bidding, those companies would have an advantage InBev enjoyed=20 when lining up the cash to buy the whole company. A weakened dollar=20 means American-based assets are discounted against foreign currencies=20 like the euro and the pound. High fuel prices tend to push some consumers to cut back on visits to=20 destination parks like Disney World, Ruben said. But regional theme=20 parks that draw visitors from nearby =97 a category that includes all=20 the theme parks owned by Anheuser-Busch =97 are doing well this summer,=20 he said. "If times are tough, people won't take a longer vacation. But a day=20 at the theme park can be done on one tank of gas and in one day," he=20 said. "Historically, theme parks have weathered the recession without=20 so much as a blip." While the parks might be a profitable investment, big U.S. theme park=20 companies don't appear to be in a buying mood. Six Flags Inc. lost=20 $149.9 million during the first quarter of this year. Instead of=20 expanding, the company is looking to streamline its current=20 operations. Sandusky, Ohio-based Cedar Fair Entertainment Co. paid $1.24 billion=20 nearly two years ago to buy five parks from Paramount Parks Inc.=20 While Chief Executive Richard Kinzel said he didn't expect a dropoff=20 in attendance at parks this summer, the company might be hesitant to=20 take on another round of debt, Ruben said. Walt Disney Co., meanwhile, tends to invest on its own branded parks=20 and destination attractions, he said. Anheuser-Busch's theme park employees aren't the only ones uncertain=20 about their future. Unionized workers at the company's breweries have=20 asked to meet with Brito to discuss job security. The union said in a=20 statement it is wary of Brito's commitment to keep all the breweries=20 up and running. "We know that Carlos Brito, InBev's chairman, has a reputation as a=20 cost-slasher, and always at the expense of workers," Jack Cipriani,=20 director of the Teamsters Brewery and Soft Drink Workers Conference,=20 said in a statement. The union represents more than 7,000 Anheuser- Busch employees in the United States and Canada. Anheuser-Busch spokeswoman Brenda Williams said Brito was not=20 available to comment Tuesday on potential job cuts or spinning off=20 the theme park division.=20 http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jK1tY9DhEO2iWNtESnUfSflad7GwD91UL2I G0 From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 16 12:03:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26329 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 19:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 19:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 19:03:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14822 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 19:03:01 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 16 Jul 2008 19:03:01 -0000 Message-ID: <487E45DD.80606@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:02:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <988022.70571.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <988022.70571.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Lq88at7ABKrpbBJ_1dHe1HO5URkb39v54c5opQ5UERB6K80h X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I think RFII is much closer to Hades than Raven: besides being incredibly intense, on both the only breather you get is at the turnaround, which is located in a completely different area that's not really even part of the park; both coasters dive through tunnels to get back and forth from their respective "islands"; both coasters have confusing, manic endings consisting of a knot of disorienting track near the station. Overall I like RFII better because it's much more re-rideable, and gives a spectacular view of Lake Erie. See, I think I must have ridden a different Hades than everyone else. The Hades I rode was nothing but slow, super-long-drawn-out elements that were no fun whatsoever. I got next to no air, and next to no laterals. It all just seemed to me like a bunch of mis-calculations. It wasn't rough, nor was it boring, it was just "meh". The tunnel was cool, but even the tunnel is mostly flat/level track. Ravine Flyer II is the complete opposite of that. The tight/compact layout kicks ass. Cameron. From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 14:00:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68150 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 21:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 21:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n72.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.34) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 21:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n72.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 21:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.114] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 21:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 21:00:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 201770.1542.bm@omp203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23693 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2008 21:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [70.127.133.242] by web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:00:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <995347.20073.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: QUESTION: SIX FLAGS IS IN MAJOR TROUBLE??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=KmR7cnrwFXZ5Qd_FVU5xJAA2a1lya_qrEwEFtzRtDofLu46bVHZC X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have checked out what happens when a stock gets de-listed from the stock exchange as the stock is now in the mid to high 60 cent range. Check this out: http://www.thestreet.com/university/askthestreet/10358340.html Could it be that Snyder's intent was to take SFI private all the time or is this just bad timing and luck for Shapiro and friends? Prior management left with the stock at approx $7.00 per share!!! I welcome my thoughts as if I were still a stock holder, I would be calling for Shapiro's ousting along with the entire management team. Any thoughts??? 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--YCalReminder=LsjDARkXlwOzw51AqhGDO1216273811-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 06:27:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28735 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 13:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 13:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 13:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 13:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 13:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 13:27:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:27:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <487E45DD.80606@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Sort of news: Ravine Flyer 2 Video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zHV7B5SaVuu-ssecRJ5gZWEHJgXdu8IV5HE0lYZIFyWy--vnmA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > > See, I think I must have ridden a different Hades than everyone else.=20 >=20 > Cameron. > I'm going to say yes, you must have ridden a different Hades. Was the=20 one you rode in Wisconsin?=20 /sarcasm I found Hades to be wild, fast and fun, (but still not as enjoyable as=20 Avalanche up the street) and there's not a flat spot in that tunnel=20 anywhere... Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 06:34:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20206 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 13:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 13:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 13:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 13:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 13:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 13:33:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:33:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <995347.20073.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: QUESTION: SIX FLAGS IS IN MAJOR TROUBLE??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=jhkWIOSLIaW9bs_AtxdhU6Ejh3ori1GoBGk01ogMr2FaO7KvoA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Reread the article, Joe. I had actually read the exact same one=20 yesterday trying to find out what delisting meant for me. SIX stock=20 is going to get delisted, but not by request of the company, it's=20 a 'punishment' in this case for not performing to the levels required=20 by the NYSE.=20 No piece of news or policy from the board has brought about the drop=20 in stock, stocks across the board have been tumbling, SIX just didn't=20 have any room to drop.=20=20 Ousting the RedZone people at this point isn't going to help the=20 stock value, sorry. (I'm out a lot of money, too.) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, THUNDER =20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > I have checked out what happens when a stock gets de-listed from=20 the stock exchange as the stock is now in the mid to high 60 cent=20 range. Check this out: >=20 > http://www.thestreet.com/university/askthestreet/10358340.html >=20 >=20 > Could it be that Snyder's intent was to take SFI private all the=20 time or is this just bad timing and luck for Shapiro and friends? >=20 > Prior management left with the stock at approx $7.00 per share!!! >=20 > I welcome my thoughts as if I were still a stock holder, I would be=20 calling for Shapiro's ousting along with the entire management team.=20=20 >=20 > Any thoughts??? >=20 > Joe > Tampa Bay, FL >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Jul 17 12:46:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86958 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:46:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <995347.20073.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: QUESTION: SIX FLAGS IS IN MAJOR TROUBLE??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=daXIHM8Iu9z0zvjERULyu8NP3E9EkBf4hz9Mc5QkSaN8CPwVlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 I don't think the article clearly states this fact: Delisting is NOT=20 the same thing as going private. It just makes it harder to trade=20 (buy/sell) the stock. SFI could do accounting tricks to avoid delisting, such as a "reverse=20 stock split." This raises the value of each share by reducing the=20 number of shares. This could buy them more time on the Big Board=20 until the value of the company actually rises. If they do get de-listed, it doesn't necessarly mean anything about=20 the long term prospects of the company (or your personal shares). As=20 I said, it makes trading more difficult by moving it to the OTC=20 market. If company value ever rises sufficiently, then can be=20 reinstated to the regular market. Going private is also not necessarily bad for stock holders either.=20 To do this, the would-be owners would have to buy out the other share=20 holders. You'd get something more than if the company just went=20 bankrupt. IMVHO, delisting is not *that* significant an event. The continuing=20 drop in the shares' value, otoh, is. Jon Z (once a party to a "1,000 to 1 reverse stock split" as part of=20 a buyout/going private deal). --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, THUNDER =20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > I have checked out what happens when a stock gets de-listed from=20 the stock exchange as the stock is now in the mid to high 60 cent=20 range. Check this out: >=20 > http://www.thestreet.com/university/askthestreet/10358340.html >=20 >=20 > Could it be that Snyder's intent was to take SFI private all the=20 time or is this just bad timing and luck for Shapiro and friends? >=20 > Prior management left with the stock at approx $7.00 per share!!! >=20 > I welcome my thoughts as if I were still a stock holder, I would be=20 calling for Shapiro's ousting along with the entire management team.=20=20 >=20 > Any thoughts??? >=20 > Joe > Tampa Bay, FL >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 18:54:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31907 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 01:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 01:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 01:54:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31408 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2008 01:54:48 -0000 X-Received: from [72.79.196.241] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:54:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:54:48 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1216322864.2725.2008.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <470382.29419.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: QUESTION: SIX FLAGS IS IN MAJOR TROUBLE? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=m1_O55nPoS6QHSlGm49Mh8sxuzZW2mnq5ApjhRovGf0pxMMra4F- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Well don't worry -- their stock price jumped up to 84 cents a share. They're on the rebound! AFAIK, the company still can't pay the interest on their huge debt. (For that matter, neither can Cedar Fair.) Premier Parks never should have taken it on. And the Snyder/Shapiro team, though filled with good ideas, just can't seem to make a go of it (especially now with the economy tanking). There are too many hurdles to overcome. If the economy had stayed more robust, the parks might have stood a better chance. But take a look at the parks that *are* doing well; the majority don't charge $15 - $25 for parking, and then $40 on top of that to walk in the gates, and then $3 for a soft drink. Six Flags is a regional park chain with destination park prices. I truly hope they can make it, but things look pretty bad right now. 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--YCalReminder=BsjDARkXlwOzw51AqhGXO1216360213-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 18:11:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20964 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 01:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 01:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 01:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 01:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 01:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 01:11:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:11:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.196.241 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Idle question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=YJ1wS632U_RpeLqCulEpiUuOVGnP9KVuC4_xxdmhxx2sOyGlpG4n X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Wow. This is the first time I've seen zero messages over two days! So it'= s time to shake=20 things up a bit: How is everyone's summer shaping up, in terms of parks you wanted to get to= and coasters=20 you wanted to ride? Have there been any big surprises or disappointments s= o far? I'll open by saying that I really had planned a quite summer, with lots of = house work taking=20 priority. But even so we've been to four parks so far with a fifth coming = up. So I'm surprised=20 at how much we've traveled to date. The biggest delight has been Waldameer= and the=20 amazing Ravine Flyer II. The biggest disappointment was probably driving b= y Cedar Point not=20 once but four times, and not being able to stop there. And to add insult t= o injury, I got a=20 speeding ticket a few blocks from the park. Watch out for those hungry Sandusky cops.... Jay From lance@screamscape.com Sun Jul 20 20:47:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64455 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 03:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 03:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 03:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0B46C23BF for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 X-Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm22.48738186.13ba48 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:47:18 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIhAbG4DpmMwIAAAAB,f3a3b94c81d67ff561f6d4de10cf9aa2 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:47:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Idle question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=tEGf6ABZdQ5uip5ERi2Acz6bJ2VmXJZHF_3i8SrJuaVCC6_ShIIYuBXtTw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've finally got to go on my first summer trip. ;-) Went to Myrtle Beach and hit Hard Rock Park finally. I posted a review, photos and some videos on Screamscape.com this evening if anyone is interested. Nice looking park... nice atmosphere... low crowds... but they could use a few more rides here and there. And the hours... crazy... 10am to 1am... with the fireworks show not until 10:45pm. ----- Original Message ----- From: jay_ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Idle question Wow. This is the first time I've seen zero messages over two days! So it's time to shake things up a bit: How is everyone's summer shaping up, in terms of parks you wanted to get to and coasters you wanted to ride? Have there been any big surprises or disappointments so far? I'll open by saying that I really had planned a quite summer, with lots of house work taking priority. But even so we've been to four parks so far with a fifth coming up. So I'm surprised at how much we've traveled to date. The biggest delight has been Waldameer and the amazing Ravine Flyer II. The biggest disappointment was probably driving by Cedar Point not once but four times, and not being able to stop there. And to add insult to injury, I got a speeding ticket a few blocks from the park. Watch out for those hungry Sandusky cops.... Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 21:27:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76991 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 04:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 04:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 04:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 04:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 04:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 04:27:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:27:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Idle question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=GYARQNCUWdC1bFf0jh7YSsksgFAj5LwiNG5xzSGpARJR2RY2sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well, I've been known to be a bit of a credit whore, and to go on park- hopping binges...=20 I've pretty much bested all my previous efforts as far as lots of parks=20 in a short period of time, and parks visited in a single year, and I'm=20 not quite done yet.=20 Went to Nickelodeon Universe on opening day and hit Knuckleheads on the=20 way back. Been to Six Flags Great America more times than I can count.=20 I flew down to Houston, drove up to Kansas City and hit: Six Flags Fiesta Texas Sea World San Antonio Kemah Boardwalk Six Flags Over Texas Frontier City Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Silver Dollar City Celebration City Kiddie Park (Bartlesville, OK) All-Star Adventures Zonkers Worlds of Fun Yeah, that was a 5 day trip. My second trip this year was ostensibly to see my brother get married,=20 but as you might expect, turned into me visiting a rediculous amount of=20 places to ride coasters. On the way east I hit: Cedar Point Memphis Kiddie Park Waldameer Fun Fore All Kennywood Lakemont Park DelGrossos' Knoebels Dorney Park Hersheypark Dutch Wonderland Sesame Place Clementson Six Flags Great Adventure Bowcraft Keansburg Amusement Park Jenkinson's Casino Pier Kids 'n' Action Nellie Bly Park (Or whatever it's called now) Astroland Deno's Wonder Wheel Park Victorian Gardens Yankee Stadium (Yanks v. Padres) Rye Playland Quassy Amusement Park Six Flags New England While at my parents house, I went to Funtown Splashtown and Canobie=20 Lake. On the way home from Massachusetts, I went to: Magic Forest Park Hoffman's Playland Great Escape La Ronde Kingston Family Fun Park Wild Water & Wheels Canada's Wonderland Centreville Amusement Park Darien Lake Sea Breeze Midway State Park Cedar Point I hit parks on 10 of the 12 days of that vacation. I've also entered the parking lots of these parks, but they were closed=20 when I got there:=20 Sandy Lake Amusement Park Martin's Fantasy Island Land Of Make Believe Funtown Pier So, let's see... That's 51 parks in 15 days, not counting the parks I=20 didn't actually get into, or my home park. I've got a pair of day trips planned in the next couple weeks that will=20 add 7 more parks before we get to the 'off season'.=20 I will be visiting Japan to see the in-laws if Mayumi isn't pregnant in=20 November, I have 4 parks planned for that. I'm hoping to get to Hard=20 Rock in December, too.=20 Yeah, it's been a decent year so far, I've gone from 698 to 811=20 coasters.=20 :D Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > Wow. This is the first time I've seen zero messages over two days!=20=20 So it's time to shake=20 > things up a bit: >=20 > How is everyone's summer shaping up, in terms of parks you wanted to=20 get to and coasters=20 > you wanted to ride? Have there been any big surprises or=20 disappointments so far? >=20 > Jay > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 19:34:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6198 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 02:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 02:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 02:34:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70109 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2008 02:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from [72.79.196.241] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:34:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:34:45 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1216666177.2572.63909.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <427311.67627.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MISC: Idle question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=NLgafzdBxomcRhpo35DZyM6QpO2NsvIVPOB9qUYVyHvcM6HwXbO2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Yeah, it's been a decent year so far, I've gone from 698 to 811 coasters. < Chris, that is just plain amazing. I'm jealous. But on the other hand, just reading through the parks got me exhausted. You've got a much stronger constitution than I do! Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 19:48:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23140 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 02:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 02:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.127) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 02:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 02:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 02:48:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 02:48:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:48:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <427311.67627.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Idle question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=oICzKvvp0stN-6FAlzJ2NcfgHk3WaEBhoSb4kbwp0SKieB9PGg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > Yeah, it's been a decent year so far, I've gone from 698 to 811=20=20 coasters. < >=20 > Chris, that is just plain amazing. I'm jealous. But on the other=20 hand, just reading through the parks got me exhausted. You've got a=20 much stronger constitution than I do! >=20 > Jay Thanks, that swing to and from Massachusetts was pretty fun, I'd been=20 to all of the larger parks before, so a lot of it was just swinging=20 through to pick up new credits, but I planned it so I could spend at=20 least 5 hours each at Knoebels' and Kennywood, even though there=20 weren't any 'new for me' coasters at either park. The return was at=20 lot less breakneck, even though the distances involved were=20 significantly larger. Oh, and don't think I wasn't completely exhausted every night,=20 either!=20 Sometimes when I get home from my 'vacations', I need a few days of=20 rest.=20=20 ;) Chris From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Jul 22 06:54:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71499 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so433634ana.21 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:54:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.228.17 with SMTP id a17mr2383312anh.116.1216734866876; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.242.15 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30807220654u653be2aege67379e81bf6eeec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:54:26 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Idle question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=_bl5r-49UoRq15-mE-j65JZ3YkuMnCPe-xkP_AtMVRnhIwac X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I haven't been to a park since early June. We had a big project go live July 1st at work, and I've been putting in lots of hours both before and after go live. This is my first week in about six where I haven't had either a 12-hour/7-day shift or been carrying a pager and answering calls in the middle of the night. Probably won't get back out to the parks again until mid August. Beth On 7/20/08, jay_ducharme wrote: > Wow. This is the first time I've seen zero messages over two days! So it's time to shake > things up a bit: > > How is everyone's summer shaping up, in terms of parks you wanted to get to and coasters > you wanted to ride? Have there been any big surprises or disappointments so far? > > I'll open by saying that I really had planned a quite summer, with lots of house work taking > priority. But even so we've been to four parks so far with a fifth coming up. So I'm surprised > at how much we've traveled to date. The biggest delight has been Waldameer and the > amazing Ravine Flyer II. The biggest disappointment was probably driving by Cedar Point not > once but four times, and not being able to stop there. And to add insult to injury, I got a > speeding ticket a few blocks from the park. > > Watch out for those hungry Sandusky cops.... > > Jay > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 17:52:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65973 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 00:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 00:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 00:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 00:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 00:52:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:52:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30807220654u653be2aege67379e81bf6eeec@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.135.206 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: Idle question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=TADiozv26Dfdta8slETDhuunrkW1H5SE9O7YNU73M_kNDdoTGR35 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 I did my southern trip in May...Dollywood, SF Georgia, Wild Adventures,=20 BG Tampa, Hard Rock, Kings Dominion. Made 2 trips to Great Adventure,=20 with one or two more highly likely. Visited Bowcraft Playland first=20 time in over 30 years. Possibly Clementon before the summer's out. Also=20 seriously thinking about Hershey on Halloween weekend. Enjoyed reading these responses! Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 18:19:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84598 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2008 01:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2008 01:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2008 01:15:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19913 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2008 01:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.5.135] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:15:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:15:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1216838006.6048.10975.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <961033.7234.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: MISC: Zen Pinball -- Rollercoaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EJGV-uHWOykDgb8EgnuPfYTAtTg3JISZhIaMGhpw2vZji9LIdTxN X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For those of you lucky enough to have an iPhone or iPod Touch, Zen has just created a new pinball game that's pretty impressive and themed to an amusement park. You can see a video of it here: http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20080724101550 I bought it. The game is a lot of fun. There are some framerate issues during multiball play. But other than that it's amazing. Great sound effects too. Jay From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 23:07:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23483 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2008 06:07:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2008 06:07:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2008 06:07:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18401 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2008 06:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.136.56.83] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:07:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:07:01 -0700 (PDT) To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <530871.17415.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Waldameer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=BwLhwmWFXa2A-iK1Agd_fcj_SJiTmR6NI0Vc-mBBLJ2zdkTdLbRWKZ4Ql2p4r8Vm X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Two in the morning and just got back from waldameer. TR to come on monday. Too tired to do it now. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 06:07:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53693 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2008 13:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2008 13:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2008 13:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2008 13:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2008 13:07:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:07:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.5.135 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Mayor seeks to streamline permitting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ayVvdhSoIs_C9TvnU1ZsfacAqVj7xosnqqMOdqt1dnAcyWC_vMey X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Actually, I was glad that the permitting process at SFNE was as tough as it= was. IMO, the=20 Dark Night building would have been an eyesore in its chosen location. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 08:01:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88327 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2008 15:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2008 15:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2008 15:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2008 15:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2008 15:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2008 15:01:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:01:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Mayor seeks to streamline permitting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=6ghCAlr5jfoRbcV1GmFKp8hi_nT0seDzPr-4UEMxtFa6ockSqw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > 15/121705848222690.xml&coll=3D1> >=20 > Actually, I was glad that the permitting process at SFNE was as tough=20 as it was. IMO, the=20 > Dark Night building would have been an eyesore in its chosen location. >=20 > Jay You may have lucked out in other regards as well, if you end up getting=20 something different. ;) Chris From zaldarff@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 18:54:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14272 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 01:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 01:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53509.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.70) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 01:54:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27986 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 01:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.229.99.117] by web53509.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:54:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:54:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <284237.26538.qm@web53509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Santley Reply-To: zaldarff@yahoo.com Subject: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=NC8-IoZ3aC4rkUpRrBGkI-6WWyW35Zvko1I6zjHrycITvIM X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just find it rather disturbing that Six Flags can't get enough Man rides.= I do loke riding Batman at SFMM but I think it's time for a little balance= . Who about a Joker ride for once. Riddler makes a great excersize machine = but it's not much good for anything else even though that is my favorite wa= y to get excersixe.=20 =A0 Even a Penguin or even a small Mad hatter(Oops! I guess that's already ben = taken. Oh well!) would be nice for a change. =A0 Bill =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ryles30@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 22:23:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ryles30@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67951 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 05:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 05:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 05:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2008 05:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2008 05:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2008 05:23:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:23:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <284237.26538.qm@web53509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.150.169.44 From: "ryles30" Subject: Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=318951223; y=WT9_vE2qmuBMXK7QhhgCtN5t37HqcIos5zkjUVN2T9bUBg X-Yahoo-Profile: ryles30 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Santley =20 wrote: > > I just find it rather disturbing that Six Flags can't get enough Man=20 rides. I do loke riding Batman at SFMM but I think it's time for a=20 little balance. Who about a Joker ride for once. Riddler makes a great=20 excersize machine but it's not much good for anything else even though=20 that is my favorite way to get excersixe.=20 > =A0 > Even a Penguin or even a small Mad hatter(Oops! I guess that's=20 already ben taken. Oh well!) would be nice for a change. > =A0 > Bill >=20 > Well, Joker's Jinx at Six Flags America is a decent Spaghetti Bowl. >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Jul 28 08:45:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92187 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 15:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 15:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 15:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c98.305ea9e5 (39329) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:45:14 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=b5oHcJMAq2fpnJqeV5CKzZu8xtgKYhsC9lfbj1MI0v4ussTrQw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought there was a Joker at Six Flags America? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jul 28 11:37:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67491 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 18:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 18:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.229) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 18:37:55 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so3745704rvb.35 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:37:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.1 with SMTP id v1mr2532217rvp.73.1217270274986; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:37:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=QPJNVn9n2l1ehNz-foSxPxKfc2Dd4YRicK_zyliflzEbMkzyIP4Pe0g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I thought there was a Joker at Six Flags America? There is. Honestly, I'm not sure what the original thought/question is referring to. The last time Six Flags named a new coaster "Batman" was in 2003 (at Six Flags New Orleans). -Nate From zaldarff@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 15:31:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58279 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 22:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 22:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53507.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.68) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 22:31:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14245 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 22:31:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.229.99.117] by web53507.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:31:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:31:36 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <606275.14143.qm@web53507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Santley Reply-To: zaldarff@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=-w4QmQWLUcl4OT86anRmPjPMO4B9hvl5XUk63cEcpTYYqJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothing mager, I was just complaining about the fact that there aren't enou= gh villans. I'm pritty sure there isn't a Penuin ride anywhere. and as for = the Joker, There is only one of those. Not enough for my tastes. =A0 =A0 Bill --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 11:37 AM > I thought there was a Joker at Six Flags America? There is. Honestly, I'm not sure what the original thought/question is referring to. The last time Six Flags named a new coaster "Batman" was in 2003 (at Six Flags New Orleans). -Nate =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:03:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52906 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 23:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 23:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.226) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 23:03:26 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so8072384rvb.29 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:03:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.132.8 with SMTP id f8mr2630743rvd.198.1217286206680; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:03:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:03:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <606275.14143.qm@web53507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <606275.14143.qm@web53507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=zFmi9Qtr3aYhXvaCJbTcibk-yhhFULRkFZG2CHkdNIKCUnxVGzp25QE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Nothing mager, I was just complaining about the fact that there aren't > enough villans. I'm pritty sure there isn't a Penuin ride anywhere. and as > for the Joker, There is only one of those. Not enough for my tastes. Both Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom & Six Flags New England have raft rides (nicely) themed to the Penguin. Six Flags Fiesta Texas had a Joker-themed coaster, but it's gone now. Sure, the villain-themed rides are fewer than those named after the Superhero, but I think that reflects the greater recognition of superheroes (vs the multitude of villains) more than anything else. -Nate From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 14:21:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88927 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 21:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 21:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.33) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 21:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2008 21:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.109] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2008 21:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2008 21:20:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 996713.11248.bm@omp207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 95378 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 21:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from [70.127.134.20] by web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:20:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:20:58 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <798284.93598.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: News: Earthquake rocks Los Angeles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=mDsdlk-PYR3WE1f72x_RKMBtCUh8WikSoaJ4UAMG4hsYA4ba6bTR X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/29/earthquake.ca/index.html Joe Tampa Bay, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jul 29 22:50:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35341 invoked by uid 7800); 30 Jul 2008 05:50:20 -0000 Date: 30 Jul 2008 05:50:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1217397020.139.35286.m42@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=bjJCbYXiubsGENKCUVIbblpYM4LF1217397017-1" --YCalReminder=bjJCbYXiubsGENKCUVIbblpYM4LF1217397017-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=bjJCbYXiubsGENKCUVIbblpYM4LF1217397017-1-- From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 23:22:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50822 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 06:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 06:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 06:22:27 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c23so59662anc.39 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.2 with SMTP id g2mr9111306ana.151.1217398944021; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0807292322p442a790lea9c99ee82124612@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:22:23 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Mayor seeks to streamline permitting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=zpokFaomK7wHJ6BrxbwVSbYgb7Slkt3-kIqAGAicco9got8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska please expand on that winkey eye-d smiley face. Pretty please? On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" > > wrote: >> >> > 15/121705848222690.xml&coll=1> >> >> Actually, I was glad that the permitting process at SFNE was as tough > as it was. IMO, the >> Dark Night building would have been an eyesore in its chosen location. >> >> Jay > > You may have lucked out in other regards as well, if you end up getting > something different. > ;) > > Chris > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 01:42:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63841 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 08:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 08:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 08:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 08:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 08:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 08:42:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:42:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0807292322p442a790lea9c99ee82124612@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.90.109 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Mayor seeks to streamline permitting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AvSPlxwPUxxkeFnNeY6MDggeBnYkWgjv62T1-Grq45-KQ9HQQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Um, have you read the 'reviews' of the Dark Knight coasters?=20 Generally, they aren't particularly favorable.=20 So... If you get something else, it may be something better from an=20 enthusiast's point of view. (Especially if the rumors floating around=20 the ethernet are to be believed.) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan"=20 wrote: > > please expand on that winkey eye-d smiley face. Pretty please? >=20 > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Chris wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" > > > > wrote: > >> > >> >> 15/121705848222690.xml&coll=3D1> > >> > >> Actually, I was glad that the permitting process at SFNE was as=20 tough > > as it was. IMO, the > >> Dark Night building would have been an eyesore in its chosen=20 location. > >> > >> Jay > > > > You may have lucked out in other regards as well, if you end up=20 getting > > something different. > > ;) > > > > Chris > > > > > From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 06:54:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24080 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 13:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 13:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44974 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.140.100] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:54:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:54:17 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <312818.43640.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: TR: Waldameer (7-26-08) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=u1V-iHOsNLsURLrL6i686SwD7WgROUttJJWLm3Amh_dEfNiiJYP6p0JHApW22jJJ X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=A0=A0=A0 After a week that seemed like it sould never end I woke up on = Saturday and asked my fiancee Diane and her daughter (Brittney) if they wan= ted to get out of the house for the day.=A0 They both said yes and asked wh= ere we might be going.=A0 I told them I had found this little place in Erie= that they might like to visit.=A0 Diane and I love Rollercoasters and Brit= t lives for the spin-n-pukes.=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0 We left the house about noon and started the 2 1/2 hour trek f= rom Massillon, Ohio to Erie.=A0 It was a beautiful day so the drive didn't = seem so bad.=A0 We arrived at the park around 3 and was suprised at how bus= y they were.=A0 There seem to be several company picinics and other assorte= d groups at the park that day.=A0 We started off by letting Britt get in a = few rides on the Scrambler, Ali Baba and Wipeout.=A0 She was going to ride = the Spider, but while she was in line some of the lightbulbs started flying= off the ride (craziest thing I ever saw).=A0 So they shut it down and main= tenance was there on the double to check every bulb and had it up and runni= ng in about 1/2 an hour.=A0 This was my chance so I got in line for Ravine = Flyer II (RFII).=A0 The line was all the way out past the entrance sign by = about 20 people.=A0 Suprisingly I only had to wait about 30 minutes and bei= ng a single rider I got called up from the line and grabbed a second to las= t row ride.=A0 I have heard nothing but good reviews of the RFII and I have to a= gree this is one of the best rides I have been on in quite sometime.=A0 Wit= h over 120 different coasters under my belt it is hard to suprise me with a= nything new.=A0 however, RFII may not be the biggest or the tallest but the= quality of this ride is the best I have seen in a long time.=A0From the mo= ment the chain lets go to the time you hit the break run it is non-stop act= ion.=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0 We contiunued on riding other classic rides like the Paratroop= er, Whacky Shack, Sea Dragon and others over and over.=A0 The proudest mome= nt of the day for me was when Britt came to me and said she sould ride Stee= l Dragon with me (she does not like coasters, but since this one spins).=A0= So off in line we went.=A0 we only waited about 15 minutes and as we were = loading into the car I asked her if she wanted to go up the hill forwards o= r backwards.=A0 Another suprise, she said backwards.=A0 As we were climbing= the lift hill I looked over to see how she was doing and her eyes were as = big as silver dollars.=A0 I thought oh no she's either going to hurl or pas= s out.=A0 As we were riding her mom was waving at us and I tried to get her= to wave back, but she said "there is no way in HELL I am taking my hands o= f the bar". When we got of the ride she was laughing and having a good time. NO hurling= and NO passing out, so all was well. =A0=A0=A0=A0 We stayed at the park until closing.=A0 This is the first time= in problably 20 years that I had done that.=A0 I forgot how much the atmos= phere changes at night with the lights and sounds.=A0 It brought back memor= ies for me of Idora Park (Youngstown), Geuaga Lake (70's-80's), and Chippew= a Lake when I was a young man and would spend a lot of time in the parks ar= ound home.=A0 I never realized how much I miss the ambiance of a small fami= ly park and watching the little ones enjoying the thirlls for the first tim= e. =A0=A0=A0=A0 If you have never been to Waldameer I highly recommend it.=A0 = Don't expect the big park thrills, but you will remember why we all love ou= r parks so much. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Jul 30 07:54:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2476 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 14:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 14:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 14:54:05 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c16so8477ana.60 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.178.7 with SMTP id a7mr12933346anf.68.1217429641748; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0807300754x71c4125dge8edd7c649d1b946@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:54:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0807292322p442a790lea9c99ee82124612@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Mayor seeks to streamline permitting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=b-XL-MDVyOAZAxjrFZh1iDHVlsZIYAyC6DvfTv9lm07o_0M X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I haven't heard any rumors regarding a replacement coaster for SFNE. Care to enlighten the list as to what you've heard floating around? On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Chris wrote: > Um, have you read the 'reviews' of the Dark Knight coasters? > Generally, they aren't particularly favorable. > So... If you get something else, it may be something better from an > enthusiast's point of view. (Especially if the rumors floating around > the ethernet are to be believed.) > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > > wrote: >> >> please expand on that winkey eye-d smiley face. Pretty please? >> >> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Chris wrote: >> > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> 15/121705848222690.xml&coll=1> >> >> >> >> Actually, I was glad that the permitting process at SFNE was as > tough >> > as it was. IMO, the >> >> Dark Night building would have been an eyesore in its chosen > location. >> >> >> >> Jay >> > >> > You may have lucked out in other regards as well, if you end up > getting >> > something different. >> > ;) >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 16:49:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59709 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 23:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 23:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 23:49:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:49:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <312818.43640.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.135.206 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: TR: Waldameer (7-26-08) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=04enqDB7yqJFgyD2F0xkXG6fm7_fYdP2ur1aWzzQaJ0GyktyVGxo X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 =A0> =A0=A0=A0=A0 If you have never been to Waldameer I highly recommend it= .=A0=20 Don't expect the big park thrills, but you will remember why we all=20 love our parks so much. > =A0 Well said. Nice report. How old is Britt? Mike > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 07:18:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20106 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 14:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 14:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 14:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 14:18:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 14:18:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 14:18:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:17:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <312818.43640.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.218.140.100 From: "WILEY" Subject: Re: TR: Waldameer (7-26-08) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=i8cI4BXeQksH4IL4aQkqvKM1o_JKxJGk-OtzKbJY7e9wpIHIfGKcjNMGcB_Tc6RU X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 I just added some photos that I took while at the park. They are in the=20 photo seciton of our group site. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 15:27:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86454 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:27:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 22:27:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:27:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2423 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 22:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.235.16] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:27:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:27:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1217359195.2458.35241.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=2YnfyaQlfZHMyiH5iWBleHPn0Wnjszufj2a2jvyyuzlA5TqCSrvN X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Both Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom & Six Flags New England > have raft rides (nicely) themed to the Penguin. < Actually, about a year or so after it was built SFNE removed all references to the Penguin. There are a couple of Penguins still on display, but it's now just generically called "Blizzard River." No one would suspect it was connected with Batman. I agree that there are a lot more licensing opportunities that Six Flags seems to be ignoring. For a while, all sorts of DC Comic characters roamed the midway (along with the ubiquitous Warner Bros. cartoon characters). But outside of one or two Joker rides, everything has been Batman or Superman. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 15:33:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18689 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 22:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:33:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87471 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 22:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.235.16] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:03 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1217445525.14838.68667.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <676100.87414.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: TR: Waldameer (7-26-08) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=h3jsUGgV9-gMPTwDzxplp_zj4WFo9enf258Rrh2HzMcSCnKrsnoJ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Nice report, Wiley. I agree, the park really comes to life at night. Karen and I were just at Canobie Lake, and it too was packed with G.P. and outings. It's a good sign for small parks. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 15:35:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47530 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 22:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:35:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56431 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 22:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.235.16] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:35:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:35:00 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <370232.56308.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: More Six Flags zoning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WMgxMw-tMdbEY4ZnJKmoOMcV8bnAJVi1YhQylLfRG8UnjeDSnzUA X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For those who just can't get enough of local politicians falling all over a big corporation: Jay From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jul 31 15:45:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85531 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 22:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0107.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0107.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A485FB3D359 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.488eb6fb.9227f for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:45:40 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIkkCUVfYPHAIAAAAB,46b51bc1ee6a71479274bc91eb131da1 Message-ID: <02808625922A4EFEA45A6F479BEFE1A4@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:46:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=19hxg-qv2hbhEPRm_HyIUdIGDST3uSqhIAX0mqXJDdQgwg-8rIvDX559RQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They also added Aquaman to the Shoot the Chutes ride at SF over Texas too. And then kinda half-assed added a little Riddler theme to the MindBender at SF over Georgia as well. Then you've got two Mr. Freeze coasters... plus the now Freeze themed defunct Chiller coaster at SFGAdv. I've still never figured out why they've never bothered to use The Flash as a theme for a launched coaster concept. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! > Both Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom & Six Flags New England > have raft rides (nicely) themed to the Penguin. < Actually, about a year or so after it was built SFNE removed all references to the Penguin. There are a couple of Penguins still on display, but it's now just generically called "Blizzard River." No one would suspect it was connected with Batman. I agree that there are a lot more licensing opportunities that Six Flags seems to be ignoring. For a while, all sorts of DC Comic characters roamed the midway (along with the ubiquitous Warner Bros. cartoon characters). But outside of one or two Joker rides, everything has been Batman or Superman. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66842 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:48:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 22:48:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:48:19 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d26so162676and.53 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:48:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.171.10 with SMTP id t10mr15672355ane.123.1217544495433; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:48:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:48:15 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1217359195.2458.35241.m45@yahoogroups.com> <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=sSm7OjYML4dzPIGWKMWaF5nSd9X66WX5BXnN86k8DilibDU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I may be wrong on this, but I never remember Blizzard River having a penguin theme. There have always been the 4 or 5 giant penguin statues, but that was it. It never had more of a theme than that. The ride was actually opened in 1999, before the six flags branding. Unless I'm mistaken, there were no DC references in the park prior to Superman in 2000, and the rest of the DC area. The ride may have changed to Penguin's Blizzard River after the branding, but I've been going to the park multiple times per year since that ride opened and I do not ever remember that happening. The parks wikipedia page seems to agree with me (reliable source, I know) as does this paragraph from http://www.coaster-net.com/parkgallery.php?action=display&id=27 which is a history page for SFNE: The next year, 1999, brought a Hopkins-made River Rapids ride known as Blizzard River (not to be confused with Penguin's Blizzard River). The rafting adventure certainly became another hit for families, as well as the Island Kingdom waterpark. But next year brought the park its biggest addition and its biggest change since Premiers ownership in 1996. You had me questioning myself so I actually did a bit of research. But to sum up, I don't think this ride was ever themed to the penguin. On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> Both Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom & Six Flags New England >> have raft rides (nicely) themed to the Penguin. < > > Actually, about a year or so after it was built SFNE removed all references > to the Penguin. There are a couple of Penguins still on display, but it's > now just generically called "Blizzard River." No one would suspect it was > connected with Batman. > > I agree that there are a lot more licensing opportunities that Six Flags > seems to be ignoring. For a while, all sorts of DC Comic characters roamed > the midway (along with the ubiquitous Warner Bros. cartoon characters). But > outside of one or two Joker rides, everything has been Batman or Superman. > > Jay > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:51:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58356 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 22:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.227) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:51:50 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so733946rvb.25 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:51:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.88.3 with SMTP id q3mr5588087rvl.3.1217544710648; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:51:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:51:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1217359195.2458.35241.m45@yahoogroups.com> <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=9Pvp1hwAdzYV0kJgAmNRwBE6Bjz4QcqtiIq_feq42MlDNB_iw1qboII X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > You had me questioning myself so I actually did a bit of research. > But to sum up, I don't think this ride was ever themed to the penguin. You're probably right. I've only ridden the Kentucky Kingdom ride (which has quite a bit of Batman theming), so I just assumed SFNE's was the same. My mistake. -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:54:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29671 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 22:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:54:47 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c10so138706ana.45 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.207.5 with SMTP id e5mr15709703ang.104.1217544883473; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0807311554t5885db2k59f7b62ea759e15d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:54:42 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1217359195.2458.35241.m45@yahoogroups.com> <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=UU21-JSTABLi-6yUGKA-TyT4P1QzXLWUT7QhBqI6PFhNWDE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Another similarity: Didn't both of these rides happen to kill a few people. Not to be too morbid or anything, I definitely remember Blizzard River flipping a tub and drowning 2 or 3 people, and for some reason I felt like the same thing happened at SFKK. On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> You had me questioning myself so I actually did a bit of research. >> But to sum up, I don't think this ride was ever themed to the penguin. > > You're probably right. I've only ridden the Kentucky Kingdom ride (which > has quite a bit of Batman theming), so I just assumed SFNE's was the same. > My mistake. > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jul 31 15:58:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62163 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 22:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.241) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:58:58 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so129118ana.99 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.41.15 with SMTP id o15mr15747515ano.48.1217545137797; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0807311558g7f6e1607n2c63e1be5d384a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:58:57 -0400 To: rollercoastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Whats going on with CT parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=MDr7iu4V6pn0zRf5RE76uE-ww6rGCekEU7yyxKPkZBy57uI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I remember a few years ago Lake Compounce announced that they were going to put a spinning steel coaster in back toward the sky ride and raft ride. I know the park recently changed hands with the Kennywood buyout, but I was still hoping that this would happen. Does any one know anything about the status of this? And also, back in the winter or the fall there was talk about Quassy (little known off-the-path park in western CT) was going to be building a new wooden coaster for next year (or was it 2010). I remember that plans were submitted to the town, and everything seemed golden. And now it's the middle of the summer when parks are either announcing or gearing up for announcements, and still nothing. And on a side note: The new ending on Boulderdash is phenomenal. Completely gave that ride what it needed. The retracking is extremely smooth. The coaster is riding better than ever. Later, Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 18:06:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7907 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 01:06:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 01:06:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 01:06:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 01:06:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 01:06:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:06:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.16 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TR: Canobie Lake Park, 7-29-08 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=M2UDSFFTEbpwvZbs6qcI8_bH7z01toEw1SgTLeDwI3L4G-2sUHiU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme On a sunny and warm Tuesday morning, Karen and I made the two hour drive to= Salem,=20 New Hampshire, for our annual visit to Canobie Lake Park, one of New Englan= d's hidden=20 gems. We arrived just before noon. The parking lot (still free!) was about = half filled. I had=20 thought that by arriving an hour or two after opening time, that we'd avoid= long lines at=20 the entrance. But every teller's window was packed at least ten deep. Peopl= e were still=20 streaming in. And there were lots of groups (day camps, clubs, etc.) as wel= l. Fortuitously,=20 there were two discount coupons at the teller's window, giving us $10 off o= ur total. It=20 came to $50 for both of us, cheaper than a single person at Six Flags. The first thing we noticed as we entered was the Huss Giant Frisbee (named = Xtreme=20 Frisbee) in front of us. Last year it had just been installed and looked dr= ab and industrial.=20 This year it sported lots of color and looked quite festive. The sprightly = band organ at the=20 nearby carousel was pumping out its merry tunes. We were a bit hungry so we= walked over=20 to the giant popcorn box. Last year the park offered T.T. Bud's Kettle Corn= . It was really=20 delicious. This year, there was a sign for kettle corn, but the stand didn'= t have any. So=20 Karen opted for a box of plain popcorn. We strolled south along the midway into the park's western-themed section. = The small=20 stage there still anachronistally featured the Blues Brothers show. We queu= ed up for Mine=20 of the Lost Souls, Canobie's elaborate dark ride. When it was first constru= cted, the mine=20 cars never stopped moving. Passengers boarded via a moving treadmill. The t= readmill was=20 shut down a few years later. Then the operator's station was moved on top o= f the=20 treadmill. This season the operator's station was placed even closer to the= ride's entrance=20 and featured new color video monitors. After about 20 minutes, we were on b= oard and=20 sent on our way. All of the ride's elaborate stunts were working, including= the amazing=20 decaying body. The cascading water at the end will probably never return. I= t rarely=20 functioned correctly and wasn't very visible when it did. But it was still = a really fun ride, a=20 remarkable achievement for a small park. We checked out the Dancing Bear Canteen at the far south end of the park. S= ince it always=20 advertised barbequed ribs, Karen and I didn't think we'd find much to eat t= here. But to our=20 surprise, they did have pork-free baked beans and corn on the cob. So I got= an order of=20 those and Karen got some steak fries. The food was good, and certainly was = reasonably=20 priced. From there we took our time meandering through the winding shaded paths bac= k toward=20 the north area. Not much had changed. Castaway Island, the beautifully-them= ed=20 waterpark, was doing a big business. Kiddie rides were bustling. The amazin= g shoot-the- chutes ride, Boston Tea Party, was sending its usual gargantuan splash acro= ss the=20 midway. We walked past the Dancehall Theater, which this season was featuri= ng a dog=20 show. There was a poster showing a dog catching a Frisbee. The show was at = 2:00, so we=20 made a note of that. At the far north end, the little catamaran was boarding for a tour of the l= ake. I missed the=20 old Canobie Queen paddlewheeler. But it was nice to see that the park was s= till taking=20 people out on the large lake. We took our seats and in a short time were gl= iding across=20 the water. The catamaran was smooth and quiet. There was a gentle breeze co= ming across=20 the lake. The trip was long and leisurely, much longer than the trip the Ca= nobie Queen=20 used to make. We made a large circle from the far north shore all the way b= ack to the=20 south shore. The site of the numerous stylish mansions dotting the shore br= ought gasps=20 from some of the passengers. The park almost vanished into the thick woods = along the=20 lakeside. Besides the yellow structure of the Corkscrew coaster, the only o= ther sign of the=20 park came from the splash of the Boston Tea Party. Back on solid land, we headed over to the Canobie Mall and checked out the = gift shop. The=20 bulk of their toys had been removed and replaced with shirts. At the back o= f the mall=20 stood the old Hercules pinball machine, the largest commercial pinball mach= ine ever=20 constructed. It was a bit the worse for wear, with some bumpers not functio= ning. But it=20 was still running, and better yet it was free! So we played a slow game wit= h the billiard- size pinball moving ever-so-slowly along the playfield. We walked past the dozens of brightly-colored plantings, the old water foun= tain and the=20 busy rides. We were in a mellow mood, so the Sky Ride was next up. While we= were=20 waiting in line, Karen noticed a trash can at the nearby Pizza Ria; it was = painted to match=20 the eaterie, with large pizzas adorning it. Nearly all the trashcans in the= park were=20 similarly themed to match their surroundings. As we inched forward high abo= ve the=20 midway, we watched the classic Caterpillar ride circle around, its dark gre= en canopy arcing=20 over the tops of the riders. The vast picnic grove at the back of the park = was curiously=20 empty; with all those groups I would have thought someone would be using it= . Although the temperature was in the upper 80s, we never felt that warm beca= use of the=20 abundant shade. We casually walked past the games lining the center stretch= of midway.=20 One of the game booths featured guitars and ukeleles as prizes. Karen wante= d a ukelele=20 ever since our Hawai'i trip. So I stepped up to the booth. There were three= square=20 plexiglass surfaces, about a foot in diameter. In the center of each was a = stack of four=20 colorful wooden blocks, the kind with the letters of the alphabet on them l= ike children=20 have. The object was to knock all the blocks off a surface in one throw of = a beanbag. I=20 paid my two dollars and the attendant handed me a beanbag that seemed much = too light.=20 Nevertheless, I wound up and threw hard, completely missing the platform. S= ufficiently=20 embarrassed, I stepped back. Two teen boys stepped up, eyeing the guitars. = They each=20 paid, took a beanbag and wound up. The first completely missed the platform= . I didn't feel=20 so bad. The other knocked the top block off a stack. I gave it another try.= Karen suggested=20 I throw the beanbag like a Frisbee. So I did, and I knocked over the entire= stack.=20 Unfortunately, the blocks remained on the platform. Next we entered Canobie's arcade. There was a whole row of pinball machines= (an=20 increasingly rare sight) against one wall. We played the Elvis- and a Rolle= rcoaster Tycoon- themed machines. I rarely do well at pinball, but I have a great time. We t= hen played some=20 Skee Ball. I used to be quite good at it many years ago. As it was, Karen a= nd I amassed=20 only about 17 prize tickets. We couldn't find any place there to trade in o= ur tickets, though We left the arcade and headed toward the carousel. It was strangely quiet a= nd dark. As we=20 got closer, it was apparent that it was closed. There was a security guard = at the entrance,=20 and two people sitting there. So instead I turned around and took a trip th= rough the Tiki=20 Maze. There were odd red handprints placed all over the glass inside the ma= ze. There=20 were also bumper-sticker-size signs warning guests not to run. Even with th= ose plastered=20 around, it was still tough to find my way to the exit. I was glad Canobie s= till had this=20 delightful and rare mirror maze. We visited the gift shop at the park entra= nce. They had=20 some really nice souvenirs there. We stopped off at the Funnel Cake stand for some ice cream. Karen got hers = with=20 chocolate topping and I got mine with butterscotch. It was refreshing. It w= as also nearly=20 showtime, so we headed back for the Dancehall Theater. When we got there, t= he place=20 was still locked tight. Two men wandered over wanting to see the show as we= ll. Karen=20 took another look at the poster and exclaimed, "The show is every day excep= t Tuesday."=20 So we were out of luck. The hot summer air was getting a bit more oppressive. The Boston Tea Party = would have=20 cooled us off, but we would have been drenched for the rest of the day. Ins= tead we opted=20 for the milder Policy Pond Log Flume. The line was really long, but it move= d quickly under=20 the shade of tall pine trees. The operator's station on this ride had been = moved also, closer=20 to the exit. I wasn't sure why. Our queue was cut a bit short when the oper= ator called out=20 for two people. Karen and I moved to the front of the line and sat in the f= ront seat of a=20 log. This really was one of the prettiest flumes ever built, hugging the gr= ound and zig- zagging through a quiet forested area. The splashes got us slightly wet, en= ough to cool=20 down a bit. As we left the flume and walked past the Pirate Ship, we saw the Blues Brot= hers wandering=20 the midway, saying hi to people who were generally ignoring them. They stop= ped to watch=20 the Pirate Ship rock back and forth. The north train station looked fairly = empty. The blast=20 of the train whistle cut through the air, so we queued up. The old steam en= gine came=20 chugging around the turn, its bell clanging and whistle blowing. We boarded= for an=20 incredibly slow trip back to the south end of the park. It was by far the s= lowest train ride=20 I've ever been on. And there wasn't a lot to see. The track ran alongside t= he edge of the=20 lake, which was pretty in the sunlight. But the track was sandwiched betwee= n that and the=20 backs of buildings. Even so, it was one more enjoyable family ride at the p= ark. Portofino's Restaurant was next door. We stopped in, and the place was empt= y even=20 though it was suppertime. I wasn't really hungry and just got a slice of pi= zza. Karen got a=20 very expensive salad and some breadsticks. We sat quietly at a booth. Frank= Sinatra played=20 in the background. The pizza was okay, but not very hot. The breadsticks we= re good. It=20 was the one area of Canobie that seemed to be lacking: the food was always = adequate, but=20 nothing special. Although prices seemed a bit more reasonable than in the p= ast (at the=20 Dancing Bear), some prices seemed steep ($6.75 for a salad). And for some r= eason the=20 drinks were only available in small plastic cups. Everything else at the pa= rk showed a great=20 attention to detail. But the food was merely passable. It wasn't always tha= t way. We had contemplated riding the venerable Yankee Cannonball coaster. But the= line was=20 really long and we knew that seating was random. (In other words, we couldn= 't get the=20 front seat except by chance.) So we passed. Instead we headed for the Skee = Ball game next=20 to the BeBop Diner. Tickets could be exchanged there, although the measily = amount we=20 had couldn't get us much. Karen spotted a necklace that she liked. So we pl= ayed a few=20 more games and ended up with 76 tickets. She got her necklace. I got a litt= le plastic ruler=20 and an eraser. Then we went back to the gift shop where we got a really nic= e Canobie Lake=20 street sign, a 3-D postcard, a stained glass carousel horse and a Yankee Ca= nnoball=20 magnet. As always, we had a nice time. It appeared that a lot of other people were = enjoying=20 Canobie as well. And the management seemed to be handling the growth well. = The park=20 still retained its character while at the same time adding new diversions f= or its guests. We=20 never felt pressure to ride everything in sight. Just walking along its sha= ded paths was a=20 pleasant diversion by itself. Canobie was simply an enjoyable way to spend = a day. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 18:12:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18554 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 01:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 01:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 01:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 01:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 01:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 01:12:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:12:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.16 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=rVXXw0tmUfpd83oL8LAjUWxrfoQF2UxaXAnWF4_QSCBvxWzcPCt4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I may be wrong on this, but I never remember Blizzard River having a peng= uin theme. < At SFNE, it was actually called "The Penguin's Blizzard River" when it open= ed and it was=20 specifically themed as a Batman tie-in. In fact, I think Danny Elfman's th= eme music was=20 played there too. There was more signage throughout the ride, and the queu= e had more=20 specific Batman references. I thought it was odd, since Premier Parks (at = the time) had stuck=20 the whole main DC area down the hill. The Penguin theming seemed out of pl= ace, as if the=20 whole park was going to become DC Comics Land. I can't remember exactly wh= en the=20 Penguin reference was eliminated, but it wasn't too long after the ride ope= ned. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 18:17:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24314 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 01:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 01:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 01:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 01:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 01:17:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:17:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0807311558g7f6e1607n2c63e1be5d384a3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.16 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Whats going on with CT parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=4Kltr3DpFR2ZQ-3My5EVUlXxVNsdKqLfLimpN4o26aF5S6kbR5pp X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I remember a few years ago Lake Compounce announced that they were going = to put a=20 spinning steel coaster in back toward the sky ride < Hmmm...are you sure about this? There were many rumors floating around, bu= t AFAIK the=20 park never formally announced anything. > And also, back in the winter or the fall there was talk about Quassy (li= ttle known off-the- path park in western CT) was going to be building a new wooden coaster for = next year (or=20 was it 2010). < I'd heard this as well. But as with Waldameer, it might take a little time= . With their Wild=20 Mouse out of commission, they definitely need some sort of coaster. A wood= en ride would fit=20 that park well, especially along the lakeside. And it would bring me back = there. > And on a side note: The new ending on Boulderdash is phenomenal. < Agreed. I'm so thrilled to have this coaster in my "backyard." Jay From ryles30@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 19:07:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ryles30@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88500 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 02:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 02:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 02:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 02:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 02:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 02:07:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:07:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02808625922A4EFEA45A6F479BEFE1A4@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.150.169.44 From: "ryles30" Subject: Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=318951223; y=F3f5vIW4ykWi74GKBdbGuPmOsybeEhUQ6Do-epBm91WhLw X-Yahoo-Profile: ryles30 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > I've still never figured out why they've never bothered to use The=20 Flash as a theme for a launched coaster concept. >=20 >=20 > I had that idea too, I don't know if the space is big enough but, put=20 a stratacoaster where Psyclone used to be with a Flash theme. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 19:09:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27807 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 02:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 02:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 02:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 02:09:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 02:09:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:09:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.135.206 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: TR: Canobie Lake Park, 7-29-08 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=ohN4AgTnzwjzIe4Pr1j9o9OqcG5r74CYurM9xu2zDIPh-5guDT8X X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Don't know if I'll ever get there, Jay, but at least I was able to=20 visit vicariously through your terrific-as-always TR. The Blues Brothers is my favorite movie EVER! Anachronistic? Nah. Jake=20 and Elwood are timeless, and fit in wherever they are..even a roadhouse=20 that presents both kinds of music..Country AND Western!..and also=20 serves the state's best pepper steak! I certainly wouldn't have=20 ignored them as you noted many did! Mike From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jul 31 19:42:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1008 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 02:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 02:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 02:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB4E676434 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 X-Received: by dm24.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm24.48913e16.1b9ec for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:41:26 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIknfWWbV/HAIAAAAB,33355d39a84f5df9c0412c6683def9be Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:41:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Whats going on with CT parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ni0tfFmscSHap4WJpmG3dMJjgIZSSv7kvjEOxYP6gPGmFCQM6WGKFPUd3A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> I remember a few years ago Lake Compounce announced that they were going >> to put a >>spinning steel coaster in back toward the sky ride < > >Hmmm...are you sure about this? There were many rumors floating around, but >AFAIK the >park never formally announced anything. This is true... I've still got the reports from my Lake Compounce page on Screamscape that talk about it. To sum it up... * July 2006 - The park asked for permission to build a "Spinning Roller Coaster" that would start construction in 2007 and open in 2008. At the public meeting they said that the idea was to "go through the forest" and use the landscape like they did on Boulder Dash. It was to be placed somewhere between the chairlift and River Rapids. * August 2006 - The park finds out that the plans to move Mount Vernon Road were coming into play more quickly than they had thought. The plan changes to focus their efforts on expanding the waterpark into this new land that will be opened up by moving the road. However, they were APPROVED for the Spinng Roller Coaster and that approval was good for the next 10 years... * August 2007 - Rumors say the Spinning Coaster and other projects are in the development pipeline... just nothing assigned to a specfic timeline. > And also, back in the winter or the fall there was talk about Quassy > (little known off-the- path park in western CT) was going to be building a new wooden coaster for next year (or was it 2010). < * November 2007 - Quassy put in for permission to build a new wooden coaster for the 2008 season along with two other attractions (Pirate ship and slide). * Jan 2008 - Flack from cranky neighbors over noise levels causes Quassy to pull the permit for the wooden coaster from the adjenda and moved forward only with permit requests for the other two attractions. It was hoped that they would put the wooden coaster back on track for the 2009 or 2010 season. So far 2009 is a bust, so I'm guessing it's 2010 at the earliest right now. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Jul 31 20:30:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20846 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 03:30:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 03:30:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 03:30:58 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1007490wfd.5 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.162.9 with SMTP id k9mr3549177wfe.93.1217561458119; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0807312030n77ac86d8kdd0c370fb6917b67@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:30:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <02808625922A4EFEA45A6F479BEFE1A4@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=8d5cCaHXiiz5ar0m2tfZLV4T2AMJ4gb-Qp5-xgDjJtID-a1zYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why so serious? On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:07 PM, ryles30 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Lance" wrote: > > > > > > > > I've still never figured out why they've never bothered to use The > Flash as a theme for a launched coaster concept. > > > > > > I had that idea too, I don't know if the space is big enough but, put > a stratacoaster where Psyclone used to be with a Flash theme. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 03:58:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64470 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 10:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 10:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 10:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 10:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 10:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 10:58:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:58:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0807312030n77ac86d8kdd0c370fb6917b67@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.135.206 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=CRN8uaEyJrEQ0Q9KjtAgVfL8Uzi0gOMH9dJ_BfH2hJFBEYgF_JPT X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Why so serious? >=20 >=20 >I hope a lot of folks on here get the reference. Mike=20 > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Aug 01 04:23:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60564 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 11:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 11:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.168) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 11:23:06 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so843621wfc.28 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:23:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.186.9 with SMTP id j9mr756585wff.348.1217589786595; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:23:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 04:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808010423k55daefd1xfbad0320832d6f3e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:23:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0807312030n77ac86d8kdd0c370fb6917b67@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=eezWH7A48jA7EgjFmNhERnTpHxbbbXGgzMH5gXnAXuPfBSUSnw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As do I. I absolutely loved that movie, especially that role. I've seen it in theaters twice - once with my buddy, then I told Jen it was so good so I had to take her to see it too. Not that I minded at all. If he's the face and voice of the Dark Knight coasters' pre-show, I could see liking that a lot. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Josh W" > wrote: > > > > Why so serious? > > > > > >I hope a lot of folks on here get the reference. > > Mike > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 04:51:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5674 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 11:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 11:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 11:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 11:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 11:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 11:51:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:51:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808010423k55daefd1xfbad0320832d6f3e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.135.206 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=3zEUnrGTHSNC2hCjuyF8Boxcx1qP5HiXQ1qhTz5WZoMgR3FS1mJm X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > As do I. I absolutely loved that movie, especially that role. I've=20 seen it > in theaters twice - once with my buddy, then I told Jen it was so=20 good so I > had to take her to see it too. Not that I minded at all. >=20 I thought it was the best flick I've seen in quite some time, and am=20 planning to see it again..after I pick up and read the novelization.=20 since I'm partly deaf, I miss a lot of dialogue, and reading the book=20 will help to that end. > If he's the face and voice of the Dark Knight coasters' pre-show, I=20 could > see liking that a lot. >=20 The Joker's voice is heard, but I'm sure it's not Ledger. He is not=20 seen. The face of the video is Aaron Eckhardt as Harvey Dent. Mike=20 >=20 > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Mike Gallagher=20 wrote: >=20 > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > > "Josh W" > > wrote: > > > > > > Why so serious? > > > > > > > > >I hope a lot of folks on here get the reference. > > > > Mike > > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 04:59:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19243 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 11:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 11:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 11:59:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73856 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 11:59:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.140.100] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:59:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 04:59:12 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <216343.73593.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Canobie Lake Park, 7-29-08 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=JHEpJ2SKl72lRLCgegAXxWLWmWs-BdQk_PLYlQPUcQOpypJS1tduLZKSBcRSz9lu X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nice trip report Jay.=A0 I need to bone up on my writing skills to mak= e my next report as good as yours.=A0=20 =A0 Wiley =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Aug 01 07:23:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58380 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 14:23:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 14:23:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 14:23:14 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id l33so973682rvb.58 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.147.5 with SMTP id u5mr5966243rvd.166.1217600594455; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:23:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Canobie Lake Park, 7-29-08 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=UDZ3wSALRxHUMP4JwSynMa1p3YgkAXqnjUMrE_sQwHv6MEDYSYbO5Gs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Fortuitously, > there were two discount coupons at the teller's window, giving us $10 off our total. It > came to $50 for both of us, cheaper than a single person at Six Flags. To be fair, Six Flags (New England) is currently selling tickets for $29.99 per person - a bit more expensive than Canobie, but Canobie doesn't have Superman, the Dark Knight, a large waterpark, Pandemonium, etc... Thanks for the TR. I had planned to visit Canobie several years ago, but the trip fell through. I'd love to get back to New England though, as SFNE, LC, and (it seems) Canobie are three of the nicer parks in the country. -Nate From coastermanokc@cox.net Fri Aug 01 10:29:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74072 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 17:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 17:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.240.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 17:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080801172934.HNSI4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:29:34 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.80.37]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id x5VY1Z0050oJFmC025VZge; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:29:33 -0400 To: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:29:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acjz/CZvo59jdAK9RhSXgtyabZEj3A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080801172934.HNSI4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: late TR- New Jersey Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=H3BpdC486zLPsUy7KMzmch06EPT5-Dv7qMNHfcX4LWy_EIfmrZTt5w X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In early June my family and I went to New Jersey. Originally I was only going to be able to go to 2 parks (Hersheypark and SFGAdv) but I also got to go to the park at Point Pleasant. The day I went to Hersheypark was HOT. First we stopped at Chocolateworld and rode a ride through a simulated chocolate factory. It was meant for younger children but was informative. As we left the ride they gave us a free chocolate sample. After entering the park the first ride I went on was the Comet. I rode it in the middle row of the last car. It seemed fairly smooth and had at least slight airtime on most of its hills. Afterwards I rode the Superduperlooper. It is a Schwarzkopf (sp?) custom design with 1 loop. I think many Schwarzkopf's are underrated. This one is a short, fun ride. Next I rode the Great Bear. It is a good B&M inverted coaster. I especially like the helix before the main drop. Then I rode Storm Runner which was rougher than was enjoyable, although it was also intense and exciting. I next did the shoot 'em up ride ( Reces Peanut Butter vs. Chocolate Challenge). The guns to me seemed hard to aim well. Then I rode Farenhight. That was a great ride. You have an oh {bleep} moment when you lean back for the vertical lift. The beyond vertical drop gives TONS of airtime. The rest of the ride is exciting and smooth. I next rode the Wildcat. I LOVE the millennium flyer trains. The ride itself was fun and smooth, typical of GCI (at least the ones I have been on). I then did the Wild Mouse. It was running almost un-braked and so was almost brutally intense (like a good mouse should be). I then rode Lightning Racer which is now one of my favorite wooden coasters. I prefer the lightning side to the thunder side. The last roller coaster I rode was Trailblazer. It is a mine train which consisted of 2 helixes with heavy breaking in-between. In the afternoon I decided to walk through Zoo America because it did not cost extra going from Hersheypark. With it as hot as it was the animals were all in what shade they could find so I did not get to see all of them. It is a nice change of pace if you are at Hersheypark, but not worth the separate zoo admission. Later on in the trip for a couple of hours I got to go to the park that is at Point Pleasant, NJ. The roller coaster they have is a Flitzer, a family coaster. There is also a powered coaster which I did not go on not knowing which, if any, powered coasters are worth going on. Other rides I went on there were the bumper cars, which were slow, tilt-a-whirl, and a ride called a Moby Dick, which is like a one row Rainbow with shoulder harnesses. On June 13 I went to SFGAdv. It was hot but not as extreme as when I went to Hersheypark. The first ride was El Toro. Like Lightning Racer it instantly became one of my favorite woodies. It has MONSTER airtime and is very smooth. I then did Blackbeard's Treasure Train which was, I think, my first Tivoli coaster. It is a good family ride. I then rode Nitro, which I love, and then checked on Dark Knight but it was temporarily broken. To wait I rode Batman the Ride, and Skull Mountain, which had a giant skeleton and jack-o-lantern lit up. The ride itself is a good first drop followed by various turns and hills. By the time I finished those 2 the Dark Knight had reopened. After waiting outside for a while riders enter a COLD pre-show room. You then see a Harvey Dent press conference from the movie on a screen in the front of the room. Partway through the picture and room lights start flickering. Then come the "why so serious" line from the movie. The screen then shows clips of people laughing and comedy scenes. The walls of the room are then covered with graffiti laughter and the screen says "what are you waiting for" then you finish the line to the station. My favorite touch is the damaged subway cars that you ride in. The top half of the ride takes you past several lighted scenes which are a bit cheesy if you focus on them (although you move so quickly you can barely make the scenes out) the rest of the ride is in darkness. I then rode the Great American Scream Machine. It was a bit rough. Then I rode Superman Ultimate flight. I think that flying coasters are fun but not super exciting. Then I rode Kingda Ka. I had ridden it once before. This time it had a very annoying vibration throughout the ride. I then rode the Runaway Mine Train, which I think is good for its genre. Then I rode Medusa, B&M's first floorless coaster. I think it is fun but I personally like Superman Krypton Coaster (SFFT) the best, among the floorless coasters I have been on. On a side note I recently rode Frontier City's new roller coaster, Steel Lasso (Vekoma Jr. inverted coaster). It is a good family coaster and I love the new Vekoma restraints. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 15:59:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33037 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 22:59:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 22:59:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 22:59:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86670 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 22:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.235.16] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:59:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:59:22 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <520647.86451.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: TR: Canobie Lake Park, 7-29-08 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=6If5ws6EpXSCOY-1eju_jIkcvHKurbXAUMstH6DdFdY-xTxWQoJY X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > To be fair, Six Flags (New England) is currently selling tickets for $29.99 per person - a bit more expensive than Canobie < Ah, but you haven't included the onerous $15 - $30 parking fee! > but Canobie doesn't have Superman, the Dark Knight, a large waterpark, Pandemonium, etc... < And that's not necessarily a bad thing, although I'd take Superman in ANY park! And Canobie's waterpark, while not on the scale of Six Flags', is quite large. And Canobie does have one very important (to me) thing that Six Flags lacks -- shade. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 16:03:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73334 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 23:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 23:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 23:03:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83814 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 23:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.235.16] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:03:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:03:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <44567.83544.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Agawam plots parking penalties X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=40FayPK_gWNACn2RBgwF2raDd0xa-7xB6CNchBkBPXJRWNaoUVYr X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme More good news for Six Flags; more anger from Agawam residents: Jay From zaldarff@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 21:29:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56323 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 04:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 04:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 04:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 04:29:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 04:29:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 04:29:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:29:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0807312030n77ac86d8kdd0c370fb6917b67@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.229.99.117 From: "zaldarff" Subject: Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=QAYXS0G7p6bvl4wQhJtgOnOc5kUJcvuMbDd6HSRl4PMZKEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff That's a good idea execpt If you're talking about SFMM, they already=20 have a superman ride. I wouldn't mind trading a Superman for a Flash.=20 The only problem is; what would go in Superman's place?. I think I've=20 got that right, It's ben a while since I've ben to SFMM. Now if they had woom enough for something like Top Trill then The=20=20=20 Flash could make an appearance. Unfortunaly I don't think there's any=20 room left.Try another Park guys. Bill -- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Why so serious? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:07 PM, ryles30 wrote: >=20 > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > > "Lance" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I've still never figured out why they've never bothered to use=20 The > > Flash as a theme for a launched coaster concept. > > > > > > > > > I had that idea too, I don't know if the space is big enough=20 but, put > > a stratacoaster where Psyclone used to be with a Flash theme. > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Aug 02 06:37:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35125 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 13:37:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 13:37:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 13:37:47 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KPHIa-0003UC-By for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:37:32 -0400 Message-ID: <48946300.4070408@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:37:04 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1217359195.2458.35241.m45@yahoogroups.com> <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0807311554t5885db2k59f7b62ea759e15d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0807311554t5885db2k59f7b62ea759e15d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478424b1a4f98afe623e9067a0bd525e0bfbe1540c31436eb88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=tVa1ZfZMIXhZM2fDNi5Hep5YD5WwaJF3i0H94kG7i7dnzaI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > > > Another similarity: Didn't both of these rides happen to kill a few > people. Not to be too morbid or anything, I definitely remember > Blizzard River flipping a tub and drowning 2 or 3 people, and for some > reason I felt like the same thing happened at SFKK. The only incident that I recall was the one at SFoT where one of the rafts was underinflated and because of that caught on some of the underwater obstacles and flippeed, killing one or two. I don't recall any other rides offhand having that sort of accident, though it seemed within a year after the SFoT flip that there were rumors of the same accident at every park because people couldn't figure out there was more than one Six Flags park and more than one river rapids ride. Anyone else know if there was another boat flip at all beside the confirmed SFoT one? keep on ridin' George From lance@screamscape.com Sat Aug 02 07:56:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63802 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 14:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 14:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 14:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416AE38D6DB for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 X-Received: by dm25.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm25.488eb66a.7745f for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:53:59 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIlHUHTAJdlAIAAAAB,78015c8d0ad18cb7fd56748b2de756ce Message-ID: <4B99383B0D214F26976F863EFDCDCEDE@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <44567.83544.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <44567.83544.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:54:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Agawam plots parking penalties X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=SgNzIkeTOMjkogNVBVf2QoT0xP1oM47n9EW-jXXPIgAgMQxSZDrwaeaWoA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I've never been to SFNE, I've looked at aerial photos of this park and it just looks like there is no way they are going to come up with a "legal solution" to this parking problem that will make everyone happy. Though I don't think it really was as huge of a problem until the Shapiro era of Six Flags jacked up parking to the $15 level, leaving ample room for mini-lots to charge much less for bargain seekers. Most parks have their lots next to the parks, so I'm not sure how this park got so disconnected with their parking lot, but it's a nasty layout from the air. I'm wondering that perhaps instead of the pedistrain bridge over the main road to connect the lot to the park, perhaps they should have instead built a bridge or tunnel for the road to go over / under this area instead, allowing room for a nice wide ground level plaza to be put in place. It would have ended up costing more of course... and really wouldn't solve the mini-lot parking problem they have now, but it would perhaps make it safer for people to walk from these lots to the park. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Agawam plots parking penalties More good news for Six Flags; more anger from Agawam residents: Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sat Aug 02 08:19:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1159 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 15:19:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 15:19:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 15:19:06 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FD26BF3AC for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.488eb6fb.e5f7b for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:19:05 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIlHrp1YiVZgIAAAAB,07ba65fffd5b918d1927476aeccccbd1 Message-ID: <7BAFCA13B717475FA954CD370B75C012@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <1217359195.2458.35241.m45@yahoogroups.com> <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0807311554t5885db2k59f7b62ea759e15d@mail.gmail.com> <48946300.4070408@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48946300.4070408@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:19:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=CQ0pARbcaja56Q0WSlyT5SP9nKP5QnIxpCvEpp_JqyJJfcPxqcaYXi4fTw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While there was no flip, I seem to recall hearing a story about a major incident that same summer at SFNE where a guy lost it on the ride and tried to stab the raft with a knife. At least I think that was at SFNE... then were was another event at another park, likely a Six Flags, after the Texas accident where people thought they were going to flip and started to jump out of a perfectly good boat. Lots of raft problems in the summer of 1999 across the country after that Texas accident. ----- Original Message ----- From: george burnash To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! Michael Cowan wrote: > > > Another similarity: Didn't both of these rides happen to kill a few > people. Not to be too morbid or anything, I definitely remember > Blizzard River flipping a tub and drowning 2 or 3 people, and for some > reason I felt like the same thing happened at SFKK. The only incident that I recall was the one at SFoT where one of the rafts was underinflated and because of that caught on some of the underwater obstacles and flippeed, killing one or two. I don't recall any other rides offhand having that sort of accident, though it seemed within a year after the SFoT flip that there were rumors of the same accident at every park because people couldn't figure out there was more than one Six Flags park and more than one river rapids ride. Anyone else know if there was another boat flip at all beside the confirmed SFoT one? keep on ridin' George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 16:07:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13298 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 23:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 23:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 23:07:27 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so299747anc.123 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.48.19 with SMTP id v19mr820849anv.155.1217718446695; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808021607h20e5b41k5c2aaba6afeafb19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:07:26 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B99383B0D214F26976F863EFDCDCEDE@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44567.83544.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4B99383B0D214F26976F863EFDCDCEDE@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Agawam plots parking penalties X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=6ceSa55n4MZVGgFouhSZTLxaCxKhMypFJT91ESKId-G5LJs X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska The parking lot used to be where a lot of the water park is now. Also, the area that BDK was build on used to be a parking lot. There was no problem until Six Flags moved the parking lot across the street and started charging more for people to park father away. Actually, I remember those bargain lots being there before then, but they only hold a handful of cars a piece. I don't understand why there is any controversy over this at all. It just seems like local government playing to the big corporation so they don't secede. Wasn't there talk a few years back (and I could be completely making this up) about six flags trying to switch into CT from MA? That would definitely help me out because I wouldn't have to go through all the crap to bring clients there since it wouldn't be across state lines, but I can't see CT having lower taxes than...well...anywhere in this union. Maybe CA. But the cost for digging out the road or making a bridge would have fallen on the park, and not the state. I don't think the park cares too much about the safety of the people walking from the discount lots. While a good idea, especially for my family members who have a tough time climbing stairs/those with babys (this is a major market for SF, right?) who have to zig zag for 10 -15 minutes going up the wheelchair ramp. I get frustrated when I go to the park for the annual family trip, because it takes a good 30 minutes( 10-15 each way, slower depending on stroller or elderly) out of the morning. But there seems to be a ton of land over there, and I would like to see the park build on some of it. The terrain across the street would be perfect for some kind of coaster, but this is basically a pipe dream which will never happen. MikeSKA On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Lance wrote: > While I've never been to SFNE, I've looked at aerial photos of this park and > it just looks like there is no way they are going to come up with a "legal > solution" to this parking problem that will make everyone happy. Though I > don't think it really was as huge of a problem until the Shapiro era of Six > Flags jacked up parking to the $15 level, leaving ample room for mini-lots > to charge much less for bargain seekers. Most parks have their lots next to > the parks, so I'm not sure how this park got so disconnected with their > parking lot, but it's a nasty layout from the air. I'm wondering that > perhaps instead of the pedistrain bridge over the main road to connect the > lot to the park, perhaps they should have instead built a bridge or tunnel > for the road to go over / under this area instead, allowing room for a nice > wide ground level plaza to be put in place. It would have ended up costing > more of course... and really wouldn't solve the mini-lot parking problem > they have now, but it would perhaps make it safer for people to walk from > these lots to the park. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Ducharme > To: RollerCoasterTalk > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:03 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Agawam plots parking penalties > > More good news for Six Flags; more anger from Agawam residents: > > > > Jay > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 16:15:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43124 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 23:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 23:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 23:15:01 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so245102ana.112 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.5 with SMTP id j5mr18418452anc.3.1217718901298; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808021615u40adceabvad7dfdc9b0d1a29e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:15:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7BAFCA13B717475FA954CD370B75C012@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1217359195.2458.35241.m45@yahoogroups.com> <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0807311554t5885db2k59f7b62ea759e15d@mail.gmail.com> <48946300.4070408@earthlink.net> <7BAFCA13B717475FA954CD370B75C012@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=N22zw3TG0KGAcRCpMubkFIdDFv5BBY4zoewft_hmY51tVyA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Ok, there was a flip but no one died. I remember it being all over the local news for a while. http://www.themeparkinsider.com/reviews/six_flags_new_england/blizzard_river/accidents/ On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Lance wrote: > While there was no flip, I seem to recall hearing a story about a major > incident that same summer at SFNE where a guy lost it on the ride and tried > to stab the raft with a knife. At least I think that was at SFNE... then > were was another event at another park, likely a Six Flags, after the Texas > accident where people thought they were going to flip and started to jump > out of a perfectly good boat. > Lots of raft problems in the summer of 1999 across the country after that > Texas accident. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george burnash > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! > > Michael Cowan wrote: >> >> >> Another similarity: Didn't both of these rides happen to kill a few >> people. Not to be too morbid or anything, I definitely remember >> Blizzard River flipping a tub and drowning 2 or 3 people, and for some >> reason I felt like the same thing happened at SFKK. > > The only incident that I recall was the one at SFoT where one of the > rafts was underinflated and because of that caught on some of the > underwater obstacles and flippeed, killing one or two. I don't recall > any other rides offhand having that sort of accident, though it seemed > within a year after the SFoT flip that there were rumors of the same > accident at every park because people couldn't figure out there was more > than one Six Flags park and more than one river rapids ride. > > Anyone else know if there was another boat flip at all beside the > confirmed SFoT one? > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 16:17:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69261 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 23:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 23:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 23:17:21 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c36so319685ana.129 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.67.15 with SMTP id u15mr18290818ank.136.1217719040554; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808021617v3bef02c3n979d52dacba347b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:17:20 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0808021615u40adceabvad7dfdc9b0d1a29e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1217359195.2458.35241.m45@yahoogroups.com> <747498.77484.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0807311548q6b0d9a1cp92d490df28398b4a@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0807311554t5885db2k59f7b62ea759e15d@mail.gmail.com> <48946300.4070408@earthlink.net> <7BAFCA13B717475FA954CD370B75C012@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0808021615u40adceabvad7dfdc9b0d1a29e@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Too many Batmen, Not enough jokers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=03BBrW23yejeH7uUjAO6Lorm3fchD8XwQ-egifHaKOH-heU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska From the article on http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/news/archives/august99/stories/080999_02.shtml "This is the second major accident on a whitewater rafting attraction at an amusement park this year. The first accident occurred at Six Flags Over Texas in late-March when a larger 12-passenger raft flipped, killing one and injuring several others." This is probably why I thought someone died. The two items were tied together so heavily in the media. No idea where the SFKK ride got into my brain from From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 18:20:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68381 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 01:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 01:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 01:20:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27757 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 01:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.9.135] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:20:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:20:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk In-Reply-To: <1217632691.4.67133.m51@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <292258.26755.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: late TR- New Jersey Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=E3weSzIQbfib1Lr5AL2xYFx7HVhvYNF4USngc1ipLNJ4BTI4a3D1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Fun TR, Michael! > After entering the park the first ride I went on was the Comet. < I rode it in the front, and got three rides filled with airtime and strong laterals. I should try the Schmeck seat sometime.... > Afterwards I rode the Superduperlooper. < This is still one of my favorite steel coasters. It's well-paced, smooth, comfortable and just plain fun. > Then I rode Storm Runner < I just have one word for this so-called ride: "Ouch." > I then rode Lightning Racer which is now one of my favorite wooden coasters. < Mine too. And I also like Lightning more. It seems to pack more of a punch. > The first ride was El Toro. Like Lightning Racer it instantly became one of my favorite woodies. < Yeah, it's just amazing. I hope Intamin gets to build more of these in this country. Maybe Quassy will get one. ;-) > the Runaway Mine Train, which I think is good for its genre. < I agree. The turn over the water is well-done. Nice description of Dark Knight. It sounds like the theming came out better than I had expected. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 18:34:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16570 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 01:34:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 01:34:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 01:34:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79950 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 01:34:21 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.9.135] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:34:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:34:20 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1217701843.3099.96508.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <96262.79597.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Agawam plots parking penalties X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Ul4Lzaj_SGb6pFuiGTKGdL2_RtsrhCQyIePGrh6hNoWBclNw4j15 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > While I've never been to SFNE, I've looked at aerial photos of this park and it just looks like there is no way they are going to come up with a "legal solution" to this parking problem that will make everyone happy. < Sure they can -- just leave the small operators alone. There have been no accidents (that have been reported) over the last eight years from the residents allowing patrons to park in their yards. How about building a sidewalk down Main Street up to the park? If Six Flags is going to cry about losing parking fees, then tell the park to lower the cost to something more reasonable. It really is extortion, and now the Agawam City Council is giving patrons no alternatives. A bigger issue IMO is that this also affects the annual Eastern States Exposition. Residents for decades have parked cars on their lawns throughout Agawam and West Springfield, and it never was an issue. Because of Agawam's enforcement of their no-parking policy (they couldn't make it exclusive to Six Flags), the Big E saw attendance drop slightly; there just weren't enough places for people to park. I think the park is cutting off its nose to spite its face. It's winning the battle but losing the war. Throw in any other metaphors you want. As for the constricting parking design, probably a better alternative would have been to re-route Main Street through the area that's now the back parking lot. But of course, then Six Flags would have had to buy out the half-dozen businesses along that stretch of road. It's absurd that guests have to pay $15 for their car to be parked 1/4 mile from the entrance. The trams are great in theory but all too often there aren't enough of them running. Jay From lance@screamscape.com Sat Aug 02 18:56:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53639 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 01:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 01:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 01:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427E53C606A for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:56:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.488eb69f.f32c6 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:56:14 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIlRA+RwolqwIAAAAB,b45b993a99b61f559b0a26fd487b6dca Message-ID: To: References: <96262.79597.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <96262.79597.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:56:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Agawam plots parking penalties X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=zRkCCVNtyIS4PJ5_k1I4QrZ2pH0BMf_XzxV-guaDe5q9XgODpPx7sRLDrg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>As for the constricting parking design, probably a better alternative >>would have been to re-route Main Street through the area that's now the >>back parking lot. But of course, then Six Flags would have had to buy out >>the half-dozen businesses along that stretch of road. That's actually a great idea... though Six Flags wouldn't have to buy the property along Main Street. The City could buy it themselves and then trade it to Six Flags in exchange for the land used for the back parking lot where they would rebuild the road. The problem woudl be not only entirely gone, but the parking situtation would be greatly improved as the park would have more land for parking up close, but much more room for future expansion of the park as well. 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--YCalReminder=Fd1AIsvgvzRWwwHOp4uuwDT1217742609-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 04:52:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31926 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.9.135 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Buffs on a Roll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=G4FZFUP9tApNfd3FxcOBYQ0gs5KYy8Yx0LZ1Wn2pQ7puD0HhRRnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This oddly titled article is about an ACE trip to SFNE. It features the ve= nerable Marty Moltz. Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 07:47:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52600 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 14:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 14:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.87) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 14:47:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38874 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 14:47:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nl7yC3AVM1lqyfU8q_z9IZXqQfkUL0a3gfjElaNSk8rXXJC0Kh18hMmWqs6LPliSo_bQcWabIxR95vrGLkez_roZg6.K59D5rcJBDnv0QP4qyPU97yLcyBj_oKCxjw-- X-Received: from [69.47.10.126] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:47:30 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:47:30 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <461932.38851.qm@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Cedar Point Construction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=h9wt5aVXKanj3_0aZdsMsiUF3gLDyBBRIQTkZAmZTAtjUliv9K4n X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Yes, that's right... there is construction going on at CP in the Pirate Ride building! It's the future home of.... Wait for it... The magical house on Boo Hill! Yup, we get to have our cake and eat it too. This fall, we get MHOBH and Bumpercars! From lance@screamscape.com Sun Aug 03 09:28:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40822 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 16:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 16:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 16:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090EE3C7DF7 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 X-Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm20.488eb657.9e9e6 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:28:11 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIldybU8CL+gIAAAAB,082bb9e5d4cd2fce33c2aea6bc8ec675 Message-ID: <0F66EA6A6FE84A85994AD7D9291FCDD8@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <461932.38851.qm@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <461932.38851.qm@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:28:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cedar Point Construction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ZauwzHhPkO79UJ-9R_R0gzKHk8Sl60NfRss68rAL4gb-Pw1NjGxt6QcmDw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what's Boo Hill? A Haunt or a kiddie ride? ----- Original Message ----- From: brian farral To: coastertalk Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cedar Point Construction Yes, that's right... there is construction going on at CP in the Pirate Ride building! It's the future home of.... Wait for it... The magical house on Boo Hill! Yup, we get to have our cake and eat it too. This fall, we get MHOBH and Bumpercars! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 12:12:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43344 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 19:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 19:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 19:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 19:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 19:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 19:12:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:12:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0F66EA6A6FE84A85994AD7D9291FCDD8@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.10.126 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Construction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=-HZnEYqU73FfTr_bQ67K3jjPi-UJPttYeVkx6_TalMdpC_Sqo8OE X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > So what's Boo Hill? A Haunt or a kiddie ride? >=20 It's a Kiddie "haunted" house that pops up every halloween. It's=20 really more of a fun house, as there's nothing scary about it. It has=20 always been located in the Bumper Cars, by Snoopy on Ice and Coasters=20 Drive in. Looks like they are moving it to the Pirate ride building=20 this year.=20=20 From coastermanokc@cox.net Sun Aug 03 18:39:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59870 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 01:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao104.cox.net) (68.230.240.46) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080804013951.LPFK2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:39:51 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.80.37]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id y1fo1Z0050oJFmC021foil; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:39:49 -0400 To: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:39:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <292258.26755.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj1Bx/49a5TqJxNSGKbyLUJdxEt5QAy3VIg Message-Id: <20080804013951.LPFK2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.46 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: late TR- New Jersey Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=wQAiWxpgSLTyiaZG1S87sZ1rbgfl_ejNTY_KHRYSdqizNcZs2nhw7A X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay Ducharme wrote > I should try the Schmeck seat sometime.... Forgive my ignorance but what the heck is the "Schmeck Seat"? Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 19:15:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29597 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 02:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 02:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 02:15:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87413 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 02:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.9.135] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:15:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:15:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <664883.85320.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Whalom now an LLC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=d-t_MQwYp0G9C-mfvy-Anye8Z27MgZwBp4npXJj80wNHSettNAUM X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Scott Lanciani is persistent: === Friends of New Whalom Park, I am pleased to inform you that New Whalom Park Ownership Program is NOW a Limited Liability Company (LLC)! It's been a long road to get here, but we made it. We are almost finished with choosing our site and putting a proposal together. We are also in the process of choosing our consultant firm, who will put together our master plan. We are now focusing on raising start up capital to be ready for starting the ball with the consultants. We will be offering merchandise on our website (Shirts, Hats, & Name Plates). We are also working on a dinner event to happen after the above has been completed. More details will be available at a later date. Your diligence and patience has been greatly appreciated. I know it's been a while since our last update. There will be more frequent email updates and on our website in the coming weeks. Thanks Again. Sincerely Yours, Scott A. Lanciani Chairman/CEO NWPOP,LLC From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 19:16:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88261 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 02:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 02:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 02:16:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24648 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 02:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.9.135] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:16:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <968979.20082.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Buffs on a Roll, take 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=TlNS9VxXuNJzM_xz74inoAViJdgZAB8nPRweNt7YDx0HzQTRqhcS X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The link got broken the first time. Let's try this again: < http://www.masslive.com/republican/stories/index.ssf?/base/living-2/1217747766279020.xml&coll=1 > Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Aug 03 22:50:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68875 invoked by uid 7800); 4 Aug 2008 05:50:21 -0000 Date: 4 Aug 2008 05:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1217829021.18.68874.m46@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Afz8ywFeDCGKUim4LzONev3ksAN1217829016-1" --YCalReminder=Afz8ywFeDCGKUim4LzONev3ksAN1217829016-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Six Flags Over Texas opened Monday August 4, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=Afz8ywFeDCGKUim4LzONev3ksAN1217829016-1-- From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Aug 04 11:50:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36936 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 18:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 18:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 18:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c0b.3bf44374 (37189) for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:50:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.1.106] (c-68-42-10-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.42.10.171]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA057-914548974f681a3; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:50:17 -0400 Message-ID: <48974F12.4090305@aol.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:48:50 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20080804013951.LPFK2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20080804013951.LPFK2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AOL-IP: 68.42.10.171 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: late TR- New Jersey Trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=9W01UlRhJ1edTS9XGHmx1rld972d3GeRk-qYbqVNJHcU0iqX_A X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Michael Lopez wrote: > Jay Ducharme wrote > > > > >> I should try the Schmeck seat sometime.... >> > > > > Forgive my ignorance but what the heck is the "Schmeck Seat"? > > > > Michael Lopez > Ahhh, the Schmeck Seat. The Schmeck seat is usually the third seat on a Herbert Schmeck designed coaster. It is thought that the ride was designed around the forces exerted on that seat, and therefor it is the best seat on that ride. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com I ♥ Second Base! The Insensitivity rolls on.... From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 16:13:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50476 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 23:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 23:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 23:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 23:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 23:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 23:13:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:13:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <664883.85320.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.175 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Whalom now an LLC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=dDiJQVjmLpVvcWI0MZ_efhWYAvKqHdzuzhMC9GI3L_yA-QPP0w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 He's also actually proofreading his releases. That's the first truly=20 legible release yet. (Actually I didn't see any errors, but I'm not a=20 grammarian.) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > Scott Lanciani is persistent: >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Friends of New Whalom Park, >=20 > I am pleased to inform you that New Whalom Park > Ownership Program is NOW a Limited Liability Company > (LLC)! It's been a long road to get here, but we made > it. >=20 > We are almost finished with choosing our site and > putting a proposal together. We are also in the > process of choosing our consultant firm, who will put > together our master plan. >=20 > We are now focusing on raising start up capital to be > ready for starting the ball with the consultants. We > will be offering merchandise on our website (Shirts, > Hats, & Name Plates). We are also working on a dinner > event to happen after the above has been completed. > More details will be available at a later date. >=20 > Your diligence and patience has been greatly > appreciated. I know it's been a while since our last > update. There will be more frequent email updates and > on our website in the coming weeks. Thanks Again. >=20 > Sincerely Yours, >=20 > Scott A. Lanciani >=20 > Chairman/CEO NWPOP,LLC > From zerogroll@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 15:05:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zerogroll@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36366 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n71.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n71.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.164] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 342542.17811.bm@omp409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 33643 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 22:05:10 -0000 X-Received: from [24.10.161.27] by web45414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:05:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:05:10 -0700 (PDT) To: alimandrin@msn.com, stephanie.dutson@gmail.com, brandy aiello , coaster talk , cody ames , jacen soffe , mathew watterson , mckenna soffe MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <243569.33027.qm@web45414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Steven Bridge Subject: I'm famous! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354770850; y=xOiFgsdh-FGtS-vlcZP6RAqjqXDp2a9qQlcbcVr5x-HYdXUp X-Yahoo-Profile: zerogroll Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit when we were in washington with our grandma and grandpa we went crabbing. we took this picture and my grandpa posted it on the grady white owners club site and the people from grady white liked it so they put it on the grady white site! (P.S. they may even use it in the grady white magazine!! we are the first picture on the page.) here is the link : http://www.gradywhite.com/customer/photos/index.php?CAT=families [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ryles30@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 17:30:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ryles30@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58921 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 00:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 00:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 00:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 00:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 00:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 00:30:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:30:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <243569.33027.qm@web45414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.7.186.224 From: "ryles30" Subject: Re: I'm famous! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=318951223; y=WHwzGr1mgqVOl6httipHvwbofK-1G4M4FwYwU64PW9CNfg X-Yahoo-Profile: ryles30 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Bridge wro= te: > > when we were in washington with our grandma and grandpa we went crabbing.= we took=20 this picture and my grandpa posted it on the grady white owners club site a= nd the people=20 from grady white liked it so they put it on the grady white site! (P.S. the= y may even use it in=20 the grady white magazine!! we are the first picture on the page.) > Huh, so that's what you look like! > From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Aug 06 18:25:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11918 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 01:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 01:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c4a.333e6864 (14501) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:25:18 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=9YQFEjOgWOfVEQVqccJ1_m0oh2jVXAD-Bn0k3zwt1XcK1O_LuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Kings Island Amusement Park has announced it will build its biggest and mos= t=20=20 exciting attraction in the history of the park! The 5, 282 ft long steel=20 hyper coaster named, Diamondback will change the park=E2=80=99s landscape = when it is=20 opened in April of 2009.=20 Diamondback will be the tallest, fastest, and meanest coaster ever to come = to=20 Kings Island. The ride will stand at 230 foot at the highest point of the= =20 first drop. The first drop will be 215 ft, which is the tallest drop on an= y=20 coaster at Kings Island. It will feature 10 vertical drops, 6 of which are= over=20 100 ft. It will feature 2 helixes, one being 323 degrees, and the other at= =20 287. It will end with a spectacular splash down ending. First hyper to end= with=20 such an effect. The ride will travel at over 80mph, and last over 3 heart= =20 pounding minutes!=20 The coaster is being built by Boliger and Mabillard (B&M) of Switzerland. = It=20 will feature the new unique 4 across stadium style seating. There will be 3= =20=20 trains with 8 riding vehicles per train. The train will feature a unique = =20 diamondback face on the front of each train.=20 For more information about this great new addition, go to=20 _www.kidiamondback.com_ (http://www.kidiamondback.com)=20=20=20 For construction and event photos, go to _www.kiextreme.com_=20 (http://www.kiextreme.com)=20=20 **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?= =20 Read reviews on AOL Autos.=20=20=20=20=20=20 (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=3Daolaut00050000= 000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 18:27:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93919 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 01:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 01:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:27:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37158 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 01:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.9.135] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:27:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:27:31 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1217978781.17003.92584.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <493022.36462.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Whalom now an LLC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=mu6eyn9B6xIob1Te__mZLOQrgouVDzS46E4B-NSlHZye9WTbiexo X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > That's the first truly legible release yet. < Scott has come a long way since his early naive days of wanting to resurrect Whalom. He's been getting some good advice and is turning into a more pragmatic businessman. From scouting out new locations to attending the IAAPA convention to formally incorporating, he's patiently taking the necessary steps to create a park. And he just may succeed. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 17:18:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90114 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 00:18:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 00:18:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 00:18:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31767 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 00:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.9.135] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:18:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:18:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <618319.31572.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=IuqNL_aCc6Jsuc-5SDkOdwxlwfXfgxTspbr1MZsgrRYr1mj-Couh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This sounds like it could be a wonderful addition. Vortex and Top Gun are nice steelies there, but this hyper fills a gap. And the snake name is a nod to one of my favorite defunct coasters there, King Cobra. KI has a multi-year contract with B&M, and their next project is to completely re-build S.O.B. Jay, who just woke up from a dream... From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 17:22:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65036 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 00:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 00:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 00:22:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 00:22:18 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 00:22:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 00:22:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:22:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <618319.31572.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.135.206 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=mKNsyghGPtF2SaJ9ianIgc61FADteuHQ3bo3jksXdfL-D5L9d4Hp X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > KI has a multi-year contract with B&M, and their next project is to=20 completely re-build S.O.B.=20=20 >=20 > Jay, who just woke up from a dream... > First I've of heard of that plan. will the existing structure be=20 demolished? To me, that's what "re-build" means. Or is it way too early=20 to ask this question? Mike From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 07 18:32:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93121 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 01:32:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 01:32:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.230) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 01:32:34 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1187934rvb.29 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:32:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.200.16 with SMTP id x16mr1058406rvf.120.1218159153895; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:32:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:32:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <618319.31572.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=RJDyOJBdr--8mLX8Dh8WauptGsnn8WpBtND2MTycUgZUMh6oRWKIhpk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > KI has a multi-year contract with B&M, and their next project is to > completely re-build S.O.B. >> >> Jay, who just woke up from a dream... > First I've of heard of that plan. will the existing structure be > demolished? To me, that's what "re-build" means. Or is it way too early > to ask this question? I think the "just woke up from a dream" statement is the key to answer your question. ;) -Nate From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 18:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35003 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 01:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 01:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 01:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 01:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 01:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 01:42:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:42:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.135.206 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=z2tFUntLgN39PjZElsbgKJ_AyObcQu62NrQ65LkW3UsnUozeYz5g X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > KI has a multi-year contract with B&M, and their next project is to > > completely re-build S.O.B. > >> > >> Jay, who just woke up from a dream... >=20 >=20 > > First I've of heard of that plan. will the existing structure be > > demolished? To me, that's what "re-build" means. Or is it way too=20 early > > to ask this question? >=20 > I think the "just woke up from a dream" statement is the key to answer > your question. ;) >=20 > -Nate I guess my mind is already at Coney, which I'm considering tomorrow. I can't believe I missed that. Look up "gullible" in your Funk 'n'=20 Wagnalls...there's my picture! Mike From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 18:50:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22836 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 01:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 01:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 01:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 01:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 01:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 01:50:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:50:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.204.23.123 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=f5IMjxfcBAWrHuiE-XLAAHSs0Y5nlpgSo3BIH9DdftR8yGwwElQU X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck http://www.kidiamondback.com/public/ride/layout.cfm Looks like Nitro to me... Not that that's a bad thing... Just rode Behemoth in Canada last week. Had a middle seat ride that=20 did nothing for me, then had a front seat center ride that was=20 amazing.=20=20 From Briguy7568@aol.com Fri Aug 08 19:02:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37380 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 02:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 02:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 02:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bf8.36e3cf62 (42807) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:02:31 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=bXKwsVtfKTDf3RWlvE1QkEJp-u-Lo058hsWZB6FAB8EbVIWHBw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a mirror image to Nitro with some extra perks! **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Aug 08 20:30:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22346 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 03:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 03:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.245) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 03:30:01 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so188895and.120 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.140.15 with SMTP id n15mr4678436and.69.1218252600603; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808082030q13d569cdxe2dc4f0408e4b3a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:30:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=qyzj9J5JAiRZeia62lv9i8yaIB4EU1AnqAtr6nuqAatQnqE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska The best part of Nitro is the dipping second drop, and it ain't got that. On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:02 PM, wrote: > It's a mirror image to Nitro with some extra perks! > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Aug 08 20:59:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2018 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 03:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 03:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-190.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 03:59:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18528 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 03:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 03:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KRfbZ-0001jH-62 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:59:01 -0600 Message-Id: <9D3B3FD5-2AB9-4304-A340-886C2C680D13@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0808082030q13d569cdxe2dc4f0408e4b3a3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:59:03 -0400 References: <6ab4641f0808082030q13d569cdxe2dc4f0408e4b3a3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=zgzYw8zQzKu6D2hK_zLItIofQo3Y7c72l2-Ei3cixahWJnWxY07D X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> It's a mirror image to Nitro with some extra perks! >> > The best part of Nitro is the dipping second drop, and it ain't got > that. > Hmm... I would actually argue that the best part of Nitro is the 540 degree helix before the brake run... I almost always grey out on that. But the one at KI doesn't have that either. Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 18:04:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77582 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 01:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 01:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:04:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75943 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 01:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.9.135] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:04:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:04:17 -0700 (PDT) To: gazette@wnycc.org, RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <643758.75334.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: TR: Lake Compounce, August 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Ef_CK18NZgqPo00qognEFwMB-qyvZPFPDRoc38XYAnI4kXEXXYTt X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The persistent rains finally let up in New England, and we celebrated the mild sunny weather by using our season passes for Lake Compounce in Bristol, Connecticut. We didn't expect anything new, since we had gone only two months before. But we always had a good time at the park, and we needed a breather from the work week. We arrived about 11:30, and the parking lot was already half filled. There were also a half-dozen buses there. There were new signs on the lightposts in the parking area. Each sign had a number plus the name of a ride, similar to what Kennywood did. We parked at #4 Boulder Dash and hiked the long distance down the walkway to the big tunnel. There was a sign out front saying that one of our favorite rides, the Sky Ride, wasn't operating. There were several tables at the tunnel funneling guests past security guards who were checking bags. We walked right on past. Every ticket gate had a long line. We continued through to the season passholder entrance and emerged on the colorful midway. The first thing we did, as usual, was stop for some delicious Potato Patch french fries. Then we wandered through the kiddieland section. A musical show was in progress at the stage there and it was playing to a full house. It was sort of a country western safari done karaoke-style. The crowd seemed to be enjoying it. The park was busy, but it wasn't overly crowded. We left the kiddie area. The bright purple Zoomerang was racing through its course. Next to it was the fun car ride Zoomer's. It didn't have too long a line, so Karen and I queued up and within a few minutes were rolling along the winding track behind the Zoomerang. The ride was short but lots of fun with plenty of interesting scenery and a 1950's soundtrack playing. Next we walked up the slope to the Saw Mill Plunge flume ride. The queue was less than half filled, so we got in line. The guests moved along very slowly. Normally the ride queued quickly. When we looked across the holding pond, we realized what the holdup was: six of the flume boats were lying on their sides, out of commission. There were only three boats running on the course. We idly stood around, watching the nearby Thunder and Lightning swing ride. After a half hour, we hadn't even made it halfway through the line that was there. So we abandoned that and headed back down the midway. Boulder Dash, amazingly, had very few people in line. Both trains were running smoothly. After about fifteen minutes Karen and I were seated in the front. Two kids behind us were on for their first time. We left the station, glided up the lift, turned the corner slowly -- and then blasted down the first drop. I had never experienced such speed on this ride. We were tossed to the left, curving next to the station, and then were thrown to the right as we crested the second hill. We couldn't even tell we had gone up a hill; the train didn't lose any momentum. The entire course was taken at breathtaking speed without any letup. The new triple-up section flung us up into our lap bars with incredible force. We hit the brakes completely exhilarated. People on the train where whooping and clapping. Boulder Dash was without a doubt one of the greatest wooden rollercoasters ever built. Not only was it a marvel of engineering -- embedded into the side of a mountain -- but it was also incredibly fun without being too extreme or punishing. We left the ride with big smiles. Walking south down the midway, the band organ could be heard filling the air with happy melodies. Two of the game booths had signs protruding from them, signs of the times: "Win a $50 gas card." We curved around past the waterpark, which was packed, and headed for the train. Unfortunately, the train was also packed and ready to leave the station. So we headed back south toward the Crok Pot restaurant and walked across its veranda. The lazy river ride was filled with guests. We strolled down the long path toward the back of the park. Boulder Dash roared by on our right. I found it strange that the beautiful swan boats once gracing the lake were gone. There was still a pier, but nothing was docked. As we reached the far end, we were surprised to find that the Sky Ride was indeed running. We didn't feel like getting drenched, so we passed on the wonderful Thunder Rapids ride and instead hopped on the Sky Ride for a leisurely trip up and down the side of the mountain. I still find that ride unnerving at times, hanging 700 feet above the rocks below. On our return trip, we could see that the parking lot was completely filled. Walking further south, the path toward the picnic groves was mobbed with people. We arrived at the south train station just as the train was letting off another load of passengers. While the train wasn't as quaint as Canobie Lake's steam engine nor as big as Busch Gardens' locomotives, the Lake Compounce train did have a beautiful setting alongside the lake, sandwiched next to a hillside blooming with mountain laurel. Along the way, we spotted a catamaran, much like the one at Canobie, taking guests out on the lake. While I was glad to see that the park had resumed boat trips, it was sad that their venerable Mark Twain paddlewheeler evidently had been retired. After the train ride, we decided to split a slice of pizza. We couldn't go to The Lake without eating their pizza; it was just too delicious. By that point the park was getting so crowded that we couldn't even find a place to sit down. So we just ate the slice standing up in the lobby of the Crok Pot. We hadn't ridden Ghost Hunt, the park's dark ride shooting gallery, in a while. So we walked over to it. On the way, we paused to get some drinks, which the park was still offering for free. Ghost Hunt usually had the longest wait in the park, and the queue was full. But at least it was out of the sun. We got in line and were surprised to find that it moved quicker than usual. As we approached the loading area, we discovered why: the ride's original two-seater cars had been replaced by trackless four-seaters, similar to what Kennywood had just installed on their new Ghostwood Estates. In a short time we were seated, with a couple behind us. The guns were a bit larger than the original pistols. One welcomed added feature was that the guns fired a red laser beam, and that made it easier to strike the targets. But with four of us firing simultaneously, it became difficult to tell whose beam was hitting which target. Perhaps if the beams were filtered to create different colors, it would make the "game" less confusing. Outside of a few new stunts, the interior of the ride was the same as it had always been. I loved the bouncy oompah-style music that played throughout. The route the cars followed was still the same, but there were areas where the cars would stop to give the riders more time to shoot the targets. There was one markedly different area. Originally, the cars ventured outside above the games next to the Wave Swinger at the back of the Ghost Hunt building. That exterior corridor was filled with mist, but lacked anything to shoot at. The park modified that section into a stunning mirrored corridor filled with twinkling lights. It was both beautiful and disorienting. The ride ended with a flashier explosion of the "Boo Bomb" and we emerged back at the loading area. Karen had handily beaten me, 840 to 460. We walked back over to Boulder Dash, but the line was then stretching out toward the ride's entrance. So instead we walked over to the Carousel Cafe. I got a veggie burger and Karen got a yogurt parfait. We found an open cafe table in the shade. The burger was really tasty, and the whole meal was reasonably priced. After that, we decided to call it a day. Even though Lake Compounce didn't get crowded the same way Six Flags would (with multi-hour waits for rides) it was starting to feel claustrophobic. So I stopped off at the Main Gate Snacks for a Pistachio ice cream cone. I'd forgotten how deliciously creamy their ice cream was. We then walked through the gift shop to get to the exit. Karen noticed some new items: Boulder Dash drink coasters. The idea of coaster coasters amused me, so I bought a set. We left about four hours after we arrived, happy and relaxed. I was glad the park was only an hour's drive for us. We felt no pressure to make a whole day of our excursion. With our season passes, Lake Compounce made a perfect respite from a busy week. And judging by the big crowds, a lot of other people thought so too. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 18:07:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52829 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 01:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 01:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:07:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77979 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 01:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [71.127.9.135] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:07:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:07:27 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1218304363.2710.59194.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <744669.77366.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Re: NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9gOWn8jJFJglcPQA78aWITt8Hi1q7FotsDsvS1lCdH2Iy-95jifg X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Hmm... I would actually argue that the best part of Nitro is the 540 degree helix before the brake run... I almost always grey out on that. But the one at KI doesn't have that either. < Okay ... so what are the "extra perks" that the KI version supposedly has? Jay From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun Aug 10 18:12:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63866 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 01:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 01:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c2b.2fdcd6b5 (30738) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:11:46 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Re: NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=WfFdnI9UxUdGUhgi7oxJ0gohd3O5AVMdHefyjSvxnIRncMFiTg X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/10/2008 9:07:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jay_ducharme@yahoo.com writes: Okay ... so what are the "extra perks" that the KI version supposedly has? It has a splash down at the end like the B&M dive coasters at the Busch parks. The first one ever on a hyper. Not that it adds anything to the ride itself, but it looks good! It also has stadium seating. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Aug 10 18:38:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17133 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 01:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 01:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:38:46 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c36so274012ana.36 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.109.13 with SMTP id h13mr718855anc.143.1218418726067; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808101838u38495b39x63b908eb7e1ddcf9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:38:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Re: NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=lGd4_fp9b2Un3HXsirow1ixDqjVYJ7qD90Jc8z3nmcC4m2U X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I find it hard to get excited about this ride. I'm sure it'll be a good coaster, and a wonderful addition to the park. But I've been very disapointed by the two b&m hypers that I've ridden. Maybe that's just because I cut my teeth on S:ROS. But Nitro doesn't really seem to 'do' anything. The setting is beautiful and the ride is alright, but there is a very noticeable vibration along most of the track, and the airtime is minimal. Raging Bull was basically a joke. The layout is amazing and looks like it will do some amazing things, but the brakes all over the ride totally ruin in. I hope this KI ride lives up to what I've heard about the 'newly designed hills' that are on Behemoth. And the new train design is intriguing, but I can't see it adding much to the overall ride experience. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:11 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 8/10/2008 9:07:53 P.M. 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--YCalReminder=9kMH2ecKQ68Tjp2EAIDoVM1218433816-1-- From zerogroll@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 08:10:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zerogroll@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12624 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 15:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 15:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n77.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.45) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 15:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n77.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 15:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.95] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 15:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 15:10:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 51976.20847.bm@omp205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87790 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 15:10:46 -0000 X-Received: from [24.10.161.27] by web45407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:10:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:10:46 -0700 (PDT) To: coaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <727338.84427.qm@web45407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Steven Bridge Subject: lagoon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354770850; y=pE-FegfjThhinFyLDjGrvYV2TqWAp7gDuAeC3oPKcnmYAV7E X-Yahoo-Profile: zerogroll Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am taking a trip to a very small amusement park located in farmington, utah. it has a small waterpark but I wont be getting to that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coastermanokc@cox.net Mon Aug 11 12:12:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94881 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 15:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 15:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.240.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 15:58:38 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080811155837.WGMC8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:58:37 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.80.37]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 13yd1a0060oJFmC023yduc; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:58:38 -0400 To: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:58:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acj7yxzpHWNMCWkrRhCVDg5HqOaPpQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080811155837.WGMC8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Magic Springs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=DN_DPbcorTNztuDiGs5snl8tX82Y60suTi0O02PVbnO8Q-9ZATznpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This Wednesday I am going to go to Magic Springs amusement park in Hot Springs, AR. Would there be any interest in a trip report from this park? Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 12:21:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71912 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 16:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 16:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 16:08:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13835 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 16:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from [172.168.52.101] by web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:08:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:08:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <853071.13825.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=j7kSgraeyhVbfdLu5oI_cw41xWLzifX3m0aMzHqJzuKv1N0LwJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't think that Behemoth looked that exciting. I think La Rondes Goliat= h would be a better ride, just because it has more hills, and looks like it= would be fun. Nitro also looks like a lot of fun as well. Raging bull is t= he only hyper I have been on, and, I reallly like it. =A0 Behemoth looks a bit short. Big drops aren't everything. Unless you are rid= ing Shivering Timbers, because It is the best wooden coaster I have been on= , almost like riding a hypercoaster only ten times more thrilling.=20 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, tommytheduck wrote: From: tommytheduck Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:50 PM http://www.kidiamon dback.com/ public/ride/ layout.cfm Looks like Nitro to me... Not that that's a bad thing... Just rode Behemoth in Canada last week. Had a middle seat ride that=20 did nothing for me, then had a front seat center ride that was=20 amazing.=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Aug 11 12:55:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18090 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 19:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 19:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 19:48:43 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2460346wfa.0 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr2264381wfg.318.1218484122973; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808111248h4b4863abu4690c04f0b10ca16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:48:42 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <853071.13825.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <853071.13825.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=0SGHngogqonVW1vjzZj-r1tS7YAYNDUsfrKL-0NS25mpUn0Ibw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...And this is where we differ on opinion. I hate Shivering Timbers. It's boring, kind of rough, and just plain boring. Give me Voyage, Legend, Ravine Flyer II, the now dead Villain and Raging Wolf Bobs and the Coney Cyclone over ST any day of the week. -Josh On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Brian McFeely wrote: > I didn't think that Behemoth looked that exciting. I think La Rondes > Goliath would be a better ride, just because it has more hills, and looks > like it would be fun. Nitro also looks like a lot of fun as well. Raging > bull is the only hyper I have been on, and, I reallly like it. > > Behemoth looks a bit short. Big drops aren't everything. Unless you are > riding Shivering Timbers, because It is the best wooden coaster I have been > on, almost like riding a hypercoaster only ten times more thrilling. > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, tommytheduck > > wrote: > > From: tommytheduck > > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:50 PM > > http://www.kidiamon dback.com/ public/ride/ layout.cfm > > Looks like Nitro to me... Not that that's a bad thing... > > Just rode Behemoth in Canada last week. Had a middle seat ride that > did nothing for me, then had a front seat center ride that was > amazing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rablat5@juno.com Mon Aug 11 13:46:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90578 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 20:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 20:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 20:05:55 -0000 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABELBG4YAKZFE7A for (sender ); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: LbyvYS7lTUiyQZl1okOiGto3cqZ5M+4K0TX0+esrb2s1WgYlLZHzng== X-Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NSCCX8CF; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:04:14 PDT X-Received: from [144.51.73.129] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:04:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:04:10 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080811.160410.15929.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 9:4:2200033010 X-MAIL-INFO: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 1405f5018109293d2950a184a500395560ade9649084e484e18470b0e9b049905959dd754975d000d0592d61f04960d48d51a499d0543540d4401424d1f4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|rablat5@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "rablat5@juno.com" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67523852; y=qwoud2EqX2SQwS-mkVonpt3G429qhhjQ5eIIQSLWDnVh3A X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys, B&M hypers are all about the back seat. Out of the 4 that I've done, I'd rank them in this order: Nitro, Behemoth, Apollo's Chariot, Raging Bull Nitro is the longest and has the best overall layout. Behemoth is amazing all the way until the mid-course brake, but the ending is lame. Apollo's Chariot is almost equal to Behemoth, but it's a little short, and the air isn't quite as extreme. Raging Bull has too many trims and not enough hills--too many turns for my taste. IMO, if you took Behemoth all the way until the mid-course, then tack on Nitro's helix and finale, you'd pretty much have the best B&M hyper around. -Ben -- Brian McFeely wrote: I didn't think that Behemoth looked that exciting. I think La Rondes Goliath would be a better ride, just because it has more hills, and looks like it would be fun. Nitro also looks like a lot of fun as well. Raging bull is the only hyper I have been on, and, I reallly like it. Behemoth looks a bit short. Big drops aren't everything. Unless you are riding Shivering Timbers, because It is the best wooden coaster I have been on, almost like riding a hypercoaster only ten times more thrilling. --- On Fri, 8/8/08, tommytheduck wrote: From: tommytheduck Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:50 PM http://www.kidiamon dback.com/ public/ride/ layout.cfm Looks like Nitro to me... Not that that's a bad thing... Just rode Behemoth in Canada last week. Had a middle seat ride that did nothing for me, then had a front seat center ride that was amazing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ Fast Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iieZ18EMs6lh1JexJgSSlJTq3a7lmpygU0j5WpCBDXanAm0ss/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Aug 11 18:37:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41768 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 01:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 01:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 01:37:04 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1989494rvf.24 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:37:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.133.14 with SMTP id k14mr3970764rvn.127.1218505024607; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:37:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:37:04 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080811155837.WGMC8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080811155837.WGMC8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Magic Springs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=pkvdfFrxGHbdGqM4IZu_f-kQ5xSaE5_b6ToMTw0cnwEVVNgz2Bbx8t8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This Wednesday I am going to go to Magic Springs amusement park in Hot > Springs, AR. Would there be any interest in a trip report from this park? Definitely. If nothing else, I'd love to hear your impressions of the X Coaster, since it's such an odd little thing. -Nate (who is actually going to finally get to a park this year...and a new one at that!) From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 19:51:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14480 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 02:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 02:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 02:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 02:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 02:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 02:51:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:51:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.10.126 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Magic Springs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=vos2tz3Zq42rMEKdta_qgIxTpwmw1G8t_miEwZwOMlLz1vzUu851 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > This Wednesday I am going to go to Magic Springs amusement park in=20 Hot > > Springs, AR. Would there be any interest in a trip report from this=20 park? Yeah... I'm scheduled to be in the area in 2 weeks for work, but am not=20 sure I'm going to make it to the park. From lance@screamscape.com Mon Aug 11 21:03:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18040 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 04:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 04:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0101.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 04:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD277C7715 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 X-Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm22.48979862.dcc23 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:03:04 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIoQt4EQKgGAIAAAAB,5ecc103cefedb8a52f4ca3887e0ab695 Message-ID: <1294E969E5D747219AFBC9FEEDABCB28@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <20080811.160410.15929.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20080811.160410.15929.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:03:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=6xM3lscxuYaGgTSU5Bm4Fg0Xd1vDmnM6s8Yqlop8TrChBSN6o5pTY6YxZg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: rablat5@juno.com >>B&M hypers are all about the back seat. Out of the 4 that I've done, I'd >>rank them in this order: >>Nitro, Behemoth, Apollo's Chariot, Raging Bull I might have agreed somewhat... until I rode Goliath at SFOG yesterday. Before this my only B&M Hyper was Apollo's Chariot which is a fantastic ride in my opinion, but Goliath I think just bested it in the intensity area. The airtime in the front of Goliath was of the extreme ejector-seat variety... completely unlike Apollo's more graceful airtime momnets. The airtime was so out of control that by the time I got back to the station my wife, who knows me well, knew something just wasn't right because according to her, I looked pale and almost like I wanted to be sick... I've got to admit... I was just not expecting anything like that from Goliath since B&M's have had a tendacy to avoid extreme forces like this over the last several years, leaving the ejector airtime to Intamin. I've heard Nitro is good.... but now I've got to wonder how Goliath and Nitro compare, and then wonder just how Dimondback will fit into the rankings as well next year. From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Aug 11 22:50:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60013 invoked by uid 7800); 12 Aug 2008 05:50:21 -0000 Date: 12 Aug 2008 05:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1218520221.342.59979.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=PVKvz5AyT1AnolHXX92aU4ktGSiErFZ1218520219-1" --YCalReminder=PVKvz5AyT1AnolHXX92aU4ktGSiErFZ1218520219-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=PVKvz5AyT1AnolHXX92aU4ktGSiErFZ1218520219-1-- From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 11 22:57:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32729 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 05:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 05:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 05:57:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31610 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 05:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 12 Aug 2008 05:57:38 -0000 In-Reply-To: <1294E969E5D747219AFBC9FEEDABCB28@ScreamscapeHP> References: <20080811.160410.15929.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> <1294E969E5D747219AFBC9FEEDABCB28@ScreamscapeHP> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B31FC99-B356-4D04-9C34-8208EA1012F7@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:57:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=UHhtnLJgg9sTHw3l6wlwnyB1GIO-yq_mROk8wlCHt6H6K8_L X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I've got to admit... I was just not expecting anything like that > from Goliath since B&M's have had a tendacy to avoid extreme forces > like this over the last several years, leaving the ejector airtime to > Intamin. You pretty much exactly summed up my exact opinion of Behemoth (which I recently rode). Fantastic ride, with great air in every row. It's like a completely different company than the one which created Raging Bull (which I've never been much of a fan of). I have been wanting to get down to Goliath since it opened to try it out too. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** COOK-BOOK!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 23:16:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10887 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 06:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 06:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.146) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 06:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 06:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 06:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 06:16:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:16:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080811.160410.15929.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.186 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=TGL4WyMUzxHTV6DUxOh_z2pGs20Go33Dz6tBxrRuKu2vylAajA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Behemoth pushed Nitro down a notch on my list. LaRonde's Goliath is=20 like a smaller Apollo's Chariot, IMHO.=20 My ranking is roughly this: Behemoth Nitro Apollo's Chariot Goliath (north) Silver Star Raging Bull I hope to snag Hollywood Dream in November, and Goliath (south) at=20 Spring Fling.=20 Incidetally, all the B&M Mega Coasters are in my top 30 of nearly 700=20 steel coasters, so it isn't like any of them are lame or anything... Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "rablat5@..." =20 wrote: > > Guys, > B&M hypers are all about the back seat. Out of the 4 that I've=20 done, I'd rank them in this order: > Nitro, Behemoth, Apollo's Chariot, Raging Bull > Nitro is the longest and has the best overall layout. Behemoth is=20 amazing all the way until the mid-course brake, but the ending is=20 lame. Apollo's Chariot is almost equal to Behemoth, but it's a little=20 short, and the air isn't quite as extreme. Raging Bull has too many=20 trims and not enough hills--too many turns for my taste. > IMO, if you took Behemoth all the way until the mid-course, then=20 tack on Nitro's helix and finale, you'd pretty much have the best B&M=20 hyper around. > -Ben >=20 > -- Brian McFeely wrote: >=20 > I didn't think that Behemoth looked that exciting. I think La=20 Rondes Goliath would be a better ride, just because it has more=20 hills, and looks like it would be fun. Nitro also looks like a lot of=20 fun as well. Raging bull is the only hyper I have been on, and, I=20 reallly like it. >=20=20 > Behemoth looks a bit short. Big drops aren't everything. Unless you=20 are riding Shivering Timbers, because It is the best wooden coaster I=20 have been on, almost like riding a hypercoaster only ten times more=20 thrilling.=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, tommytheduck wrote: >=20 > From: tommytheduck > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:50 PM >=20 > http://www.kidiamon dback.com/ public/ride/ layout.cfm >=20 > Looks like Nitro to me... Not that that's a bad thing... >=20 > Just rode Behemoth in Canada last week. Had a middle seat ride that=20 > did nothing for me, then had a front seat center ride that was=20 > amazing.=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > ____________________________________________________________ > Fast Computer Training. Click here. >=20 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iieZ18EMs6lh1JexJgSSl JTq3a7lmpygU0j5WpCBDXanAm0ss/ >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 04:34:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71950 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:34:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.200.8 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Oc-Boulder-Fest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=tQBywY2Ab_cyEgIDMhwkfuFX4hpbOOC114ZhYLLdY1SwNaEBUqr2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Rus Ozana has once again organized his annual celebration at Lake Compounce= . For=20 those interested, here are the details: =3D=3D=3D For the 9th year in a row, I have once again organized a group outing to Lake Compounce, in Bristol, CT. "Oc~Boulder~Fest!", as the outing is called, is being held on Saturday, September 6 (the Saturday after Labor Day weekend). Details of the outing, as well as a lot of other information about the outing and the park, can be found on the web site: For those who have never been there, Lake Compounce is the oldest, continually operating amusement park in the United States. The outing offers a discounted admission, door prizes, and a discount on food,=20 souvenirs, and midway games. It also offers attendees to remain for one hour after the park closes to ride Boulder Dash Mountain Coaster.=20 Built in 2000 at a cost of $6 million, this award winning roller coaster is built on the side of a mountain (hence, the name), and=20 offers 2 minutes and 30 seconds of lots of fun! And if you are not a fan of roller coasters, there are plenty of other attractions, shows, rides, food offerings and games (as well as a water park - weather permitting) to make for a full day at the park. Also, soft drinks are FREE at Lake Compounce. (Yes, free!) For those who have attended over the past 8 years, this year will be reminiscent of the first couple of O~B~F!'s, with Boulder Dash having undergone 2 winters of re-tracking and some profile changes (all for the better!) Like last year, we will again offer a special raffle for Season Passes for the 2009 season, in addition to the usual plethora of=20 goodies given away as door prizes. So tell your friends, your children, and/or your parents about this opportunity to spend a day having fun. Lake Compounce is just about 20 minutes from Hartford, CT, making for an easy drive from anywhere in New England, plus New York, Pennsylvania and most of the Northeastern states! Hope to see you there! Rus From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 04:38:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60662 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 11:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 11:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2c.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.233) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 11:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n2.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 11:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 11:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 11:38:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:38:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.200.8 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: DAFE Gas Survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=agcMKsAC2wV7YvWfA-69ddX_slk6VEv-ZKTEPAIvkcwyxyoDIT5a X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme From Rick Davis of the Dark Ride and Funhouse Enthusiasts: =3D=3D=3D Below is a modified version (less questions about DAFE events.) of a survey= I recently sent=20 members of the Darkride and Funhouse Enthusiasts. I now think I need to go = beyond DAFE=20 and find out what members of all the groups think and I would like to relea= se the=20 information to the industry publications as well as to some of the park rep= s that we know=20 well. (I know Kennywood has already expressed an interest in the survey. If= you would like=20 to help me out, please forward this email to your membership and ask them t= o reply back=20 to me. If you prefer, I can send you postcards that you could mail it they = would be mailed=20 in the next week or two. Please return this survey or email your answers t= o=20 rdavis@dafe.org by August 15. Thanks! =20 Rick Davis Director of DAFE =20 DAFE Gas Survey =20 Is the price of gasoline affecting your visits to amusement parks this= year? Yes No =20 Are you reducing the number of different amusement parks you visit? = Yes No =20 Are you changing the number of visits to your nearest amusement park? MO= RE visits No change LESS visits =20 Are you changing the distance you are willing to travel to a park? = Yes No =20 Are you more/less likely to attend enthusiast/park events due to the c= ost of gas?=20 LESS li= kely No Change MORE likely =20 Please return this survey or email your answers to rdavis@dafe.org by Augus= t 15. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 07:48:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83318 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 14:48:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 14:48:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 14:48:18 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so2910021rvb.12 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:48:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.176.13 with SMTP id d13mr4421358rvp.196.1218552498323; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:48:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:48:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Oc-Boulder-Fest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=MK3g9Bq2uis34-OCEanXtV2HnpD-5IW81uZHBq3iaFpf13I0voGsh7w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > "Oc~Boulder~Fest!", as the outing is called, is being held on Saturday, > September 6 (the Saturday after Labor Day weekend). Uh, shouldn't this be in October? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 07:51:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29213 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 14:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 14:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.224) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 14:51:04 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2887196rvb.31 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr4418714rvo.174.1218552664305; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:51:04 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808111248h4b4863abu4690c04f0b10ca16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <853071.13825.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0808111248h4b4863abu4690c04f0b10ca16@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=3hd-gtGLlyhzJrCRH2LiAgtFpm9pLvCUISzdJmbmb7QuHLAmHZZnf-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > ...And this is where we differ on opinion. I hate Shivering Timbers. It's > boring, kind of rough, and just plain boring. It's too bad you never got a ride on Shivering Timbers when it was good..you know, before Cedar Fair took over and routine maintenance disappeared. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 07:54:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57533 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 14:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 14:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.238) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 14:54:19 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so2423254rvb.25 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.153.17 with SMTP id f17mr4450930rvo.18.1218552859374; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:54:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080811.160410.15929.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=5pzxUMFDj6gKnJLCRyzkh-FPrrns7cYCy3AqrfNJQzj6S7DCxTvTCGw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Incidetally, all the B&M Mega Coasters are in my top 30 of nearly 700 > steel coasters, so it isn't like any of them are lame or anything... I think they're all probably lame. :) In all seriousness, I've only ridden Raging Bull and Nitro. Raging Bull is a snoozefest aside from the first drop. While Nitro is clearly the superior ride, the best thing it has going for it is its setting. Ride-wise, the only standout moment is the helix. The rest is the same old forceless crap B&M has been pumping out since 1999. I'm riding Apollo's Chariot next week, so perhaps my opinion will change then. But I don't have high hopes. :) -Nate From sirnyblack@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 07:59:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sirnyblack@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65205 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 14:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 14:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 14:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 14:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 14:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 14:59:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:58:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.5.161.28 From: "sirnyblack" Subject: My amusement park trains group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=351702360; y=i4r6AtjnPAFjuULIkAfDQfAyZuIJ_BGeBddonq5SFEIRm6BkgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: sirnyblack My amusement park trains page is now up at at=20 http://www.groups.yahoo.com/amusementparktrains From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 12 10:21:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15378 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 17:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 17:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0105.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 17:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D0693E120 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.489798d1.378ffb for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:21:46 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIocaqlh62KAIAAAAB,5ebdc9991dd3107a05f712e8524809f5 Message-ID: <218AB07CB6C04C1B9E53AD9C395B7C1C@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <20080811.160410.15929.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> <1294E969E5D747219AFBC9FEEDABCB28@ScreamscapeHP> <5B31FC99-B356-4D04-9C34-8208EA1012F7@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <5B31FC99-B356-4D04-9C34-8208EA1012F7@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:22:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NitrOH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=NrTNLFXk_AHCLX8wgDAeCFJsFzZtlKXjfAlFF31HnlahvuHqXOrU6TaOvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance From: Lance Hart >> I've got to admit... I was just not expecting anything like that >> from Goliath since B&M's have had a tendacy to avoid extreme forces >> like this over the last several years, leaving the ejector airtime to >> Intamin. >From: Cameron Silver > >You pretty much exactly summed up my exact opinion of Behemoth (which >I recently rode). Fantastic ride, with great air in every row. It's >like a completely different company than the one which created Raging >Bull (which I've never been much of a fan of). I've never been on Raging Bull myself, but from the look of the design, it always looked to me like Six Flags took the blue prints to Giovanola and told them to try and copy most of it for SFMM's Goliath and SFOT's TITAN... and I've been on Goliath at SFMM at least, and while it was fun... the experience just wasn't a true Hypercoaster style experience to me. More like what I would call a Hyper-Twister... more about the turns than the airtime since there was really only one good airtime moment on the entire ride, and even that was a floater. An extremely LONG floater, but still a floater. Looking at Behemoth and what we can expect from Diamondback mixed with my experience the other day on Goliath at SFOG... I have to admit I think B&M may be trying to step things up a bit from where they used to sit. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 12:05:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28061 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 19:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:05:50 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id x43so464773hsb.0 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.80.19 with SMTP id d19mr13318913agb.97.1218567949974; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.102.19 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808121205i17f51ac3p7452ab87bff07ce3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:05:49 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Oc-Boulder-Fest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=XAgFmOxJ20Etvo162uy33aqBH2_W8fE3XNmWW4glHyKrs9qpNw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nate, quit using your brain. You know that's not allowed. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > "Oc~Boulder~Fest!", as the outing is called, is being held on > Saturday, > > September 6 (the Saturday after Labor Day weekend). > > Uh, shouldn't this be in October? > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 18:57:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37959 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 01:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 01:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 01:57:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47444 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 01:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from [72.79.200.8] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:57:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:57:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <777111.47373.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Magic Springs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EWuY3ez7NVfGSOVVY5_Ljp-B0k-yhEQ9l1LWqEvGTNri7byJhJAs X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > This Wednesday I am going to go to Magic Springs amusement park in Hot Springs, AR. Would there be any interest in a trip report from this park? < Absolutely, Michael! Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 19:11:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22675 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:11:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:11:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:11:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34345 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 02:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from [72.79.200.8] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:11:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:11:06 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1218568186.2180.35332.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <299121.33042.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NitroH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=mABM_O7Gj5Kbm5X4mv6im9GYO4tZJDUJB8Bk9xYBSvKeYyDKKsOe X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I'm riding Apollo's Chariot next week, so perhaps my opinion will change then. < Probably not. :-) I love AC, but I'm not a "normal" coaster enthusiast. I agree with others who have said that Raging Bull is a big yawn. It sure looked impressive. It was fast. But it really didn't do much. It was my first B&M hyper, and I loved the comfortable trains. Since then I've also ridden Nitro, which had a surprising amount of kick to it. I couldn't ride it successively, whereas AC I could stay on all day. I love the changes of direction on both AC and Nitro, but I think the turns on AC are more effective, especially from the front seat. You can't see them coming. And the bunny hops back to the station are a blast. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 19:12:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58041 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:11:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5920 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 02:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from [72.79.200.8] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:11:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:11:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <636289.5561.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MisC: Oc-Boulder-Fest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=KrVXI2rFhYofRImIMi5lo5WoQDSszGyhbHIffjriXsdHRk3TA9MK X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Uh, shouldn't this be in October? < Actually it did begin that way, Nate. But the management turned October into their Haunted Graveyard month, closing off much of the park. In early September, the weather is still warm enough to keep Boulder Dash running fast and furious. Plus, all the rides are still open. I think it's a better deal all around. But the event name is cute, so it just sort of stuck. Jay From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed Aug 13 12:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11426 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 19:40:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 19:40:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO email01.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.171) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 19:40:40 -0000 X-Received: from PC (client-208-124-76-164.consolidated.net [208.124.76.164]) by email01.consolidated.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with SMTP id BXW67783; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:40:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000601c8fd84$6c98e910$0201a8c0@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:37:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Junkmail-Status: score=25/55, host=email01.consolidated.net X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: TR: Holiday World August 1-2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=vvHe4-trjMTYBa6aRyFuUaajHWeMqHCkynxDKA0lPMthU_LY X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I haven't posted much in recent months, but thought I would post a few thoughts on my recent two-day visit to Holiday World. A group from our church decided to make a visit on Sat, Aug. 2nd. My wife and I decided to make it a two day-trip, so we visited the parks on both Friday and Sat. and met up with our church group on Saturday. Several years ago, HW was the greatest little park that no one ever heard of. I think it's safe to say that that's no longer the case. And, to be quite truthful... I'm somewhat conflicted as to how I feel about that. Last year, HW surpassed 1 million guests for the first time ever. Certainly, the enormous explosion in guest attendace has allowed them to add many of the quality rides that they have over the years, and also continually add to their huge water park. But, for me, HW is beginning to feel less and less like the small, family-run park that I remember from my youth; and more and more like one of the corporate giants. Just a few random thoughts regarding my two days in the park: #1 The Raven is still the same short but sweet ride it always has been. #2 The Legend was fun. But I miss the bell, and the howling wolf at the top of the lift hill. #3 I'm probably getting old... but in all honesty, The Voyage was almost too long, too intense, and just plain too much for me. But the airtime in that final tunnel on the return run.... WOW!!!! #4 Probably my biggest disappointment... the Bumper Boats are no more. :-( I remember riding those bumper boats again and again and again when I was a kid. But the new Carousel that sits on the same site is, indeed, beautiful. Just another example of nostalgia being forced out in the name of progress, I guess. #5 Another disappointment... Both my wife and I noticed people wearing vulgar t-shirts. I find this especially disappointing since HW touts themselves as "#1 for Family Fun." I realize that the ticket takers at the front gate can't spot every little detail... but if I were a ride op (or ANY employee, for that matter) I would have made it clear that either those t-shirts were to be removed, or the patron would be removed. And, finally, a few thoughts on Splashin Safari: FOR GOD'S SAKE, BUILD ANOTHER BATH HOUSE!!! As far as I know, they are still using the same original bath house that was built when Splashin Safari first opened. Problem is, the water park has about tripled in size since then! It was absolutely insane trying to change into/ out of swimwear when people were packed in there like sardines. The new Kima Bay water-play area was lots of fun, but that entire area (Bakuli-Bahari River-Kima Bay) really, really, REALLY needs more shade. At the very least, I would think they could put up a few awnings/ canopies. It would be fairly inexpensive, and keep the "non-floaters" away from the sun's dangerous UV Rays. All in all, an enjoyable trip.... but when I think of Holiday World today vs. the Holiday World of my youth, I'm reminded of that great Yogiism.... "No one ever goes there anymore because the place is always packed." -Jon Zerkel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 16:32:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83625 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 23:32:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 23:32:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 23:32:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:32:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:32:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: I'm Baaackkk! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6r6c-Vw3z2okoVkfoTIj9Z7Nb4rQaO92SDcKQ2Qmhv4jkCI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Well, It seems like I've been gone forever! Cliff's Amusement Park http://www.cliffs.net/ is only open on weekends now, and boy am I glad. Not to say that I didn't enjoy my venture into the Amusement Park Industry. However, it's been a lot of work. This past Sunday was the end of the weekdays, and now we're only open on weekends. Phew! What else have I been up to? I went to Cedar Point for the first time in 10 years - and all I got to ride were 10 coasters (and only 2 were new to me). I'll try and put out a TR together and give you all of the sorted details. Also, I've been planning an Advanced & Challenge Square Dance Convention for Albuquerque, for October 2009 (besides being on the Board of my Square Dance Club - The Wilde Bunch www.wildebunch.org). And, looking for a "real" job. AND... For those of you who know, I've been a big RCT (Roller Coaster Tycoon that is) fan since it's inception (10 years!). After hearing about a law suit between Chris Sawyer, Atari and Frontier; and, that there would not be any more support/upgrades/versions for RCT -- I got pissed! Through my rantings, some very nice people directed me to a group of Open Source developers who are creating there own Theme Park creation game software - Theme Park Builder 3D. http://www.tpb3d.net/ It's purely in the development stages right now. I have become a 3D Ride-vehicle Modeler. We're working towards putting out a viable game ... soon. Anyway, that's basically it. You'll probably be seeing me being my old "News-hound" self. ttfn...Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 16:46:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87456 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 23:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 23:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 23:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:46:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:46:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Wonderland to get a Dh615 million Disney makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GDp610pBrI8qtzAcxQZ_xc6ZaiLr-fU1_DwAtckhN4XZQ4s X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 13 August 2008 Zawya http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA20080813034152/secIndustries/pagTrav= el%20&%20Tourism By Mohammed Elsidafy DUBAI, UAE -- A development project that will transform Dubai's Wonderland theme and water park into a UAE version of Disneyland has been announced. The scheme will involve the creation of rides, water attractions, hotels, restaurants, shops and spas along with covered areas and a canal. Work on the project will start within the next few weeks and is due to be completed by the end of 2010. The total cost will be Dh615 million - Dh67m for preparatory works including foundations, Dh422m for construction and Dh126m for equipment. An area of 81,000 sq m has been allocated for restaurants and caf=E9s, 4200 sq m for hotels, 7,520 sq m for rides and other entertainment facilities, 5,420 sq m for spas and 20,000 sq m for the canal. The remaining 77,000 sq m will consist of green areas. GM Dr. Jumana El Khoury said the aim was to develop Wonderland, a joint UAE-Kuwaiti investment that opened in 1996, as a smaller scale version of America's Disneyland and Universal Studios theme parks. She said Dubai MunicipalityDubai MunicipalityLoading... had refused to allow the construction of large hotels at the site. Instead a number of small hotels where families could stay for a few days would be built inside the entertainment city. "The project will be carried out by Wend International, which specialises in the design and management of international properties and resorts," said El Khoury. "Wend has wide experience and has built many projects in Dubai." Wend's studies suggest the revamped Wonderland will attract 1.5 million visitors in its first year of operation - and the total is likely to rise to 4.5 million by 2015. The project is expected to generate revenues of up to Dh394m in the first year. El Khouri said 30% of visitors would be attracted mainly by the rides, 20% by the retail outlets, 20% by the water attractions, 15% by the hotels and 15% by the spas. --------------- =A9 Emirates Business 24/7 2008 =A9 2008 ABQ Zawya Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 16:47:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41593 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 23:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 23:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 23:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 23:47:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:46:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Wonderland to get a Dh615 million Disney makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XYg5enVtvvCDyuczIIr4SuiksZRHtj1YImGfF-_0hrZ8V7k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 See? I told you. ttfn...Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 13 August 2008 > Zawya > http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA20080813034152/secIndustries/pagTrav= el%20&%20Tourism > By Mohammed Elsidafy From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Aug 13 16:49:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84715 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 23:49:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 23:49:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 23:49:39 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d03.3e105cc4 (48600) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:49:47 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Wonderland to get a Dh615 million Disney ma... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=EKZc71o5BVaD6ALzSXMIep0Qk4yCpZ6R9K8dC25asSM5YXrVJg X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! That Dubai sounds like its going to be the most fun place on Earth! LOL **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:01:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16902 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 00:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2008 00:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 00:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 00:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 00:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 00:01:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:01:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: European theme park owner ponders bid for Busch Entertainment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=SuxMlhRT5XDyftC7ccYY4ETiRd-3uawBnecXXtDCtPCNxro X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2008 St. Louis Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/08/11/daily19.html?ana=3Dfr= om_rss ORLANDO, FL -- The owner of one of Europe's leading theme-park operators has hired investment bankers to advise on a possible $4.5 billion bid for Busch Entertainment Corp.(BE), a British newspaper reported. British private-equity firm Candover, which owns Parques Reunidos, "is thought to have hired" Morgan Stanley to draw up plans to bid for BE, according to a report in the Sunday Times of London. BE is estimated to be worth between $2.5 billion and $4.5 billion and is expected to be sold by Belgian InBev after it completes an agreed $52 billion takeover of the Budweiser brewer at the end of the year. Selling the 9 theme parks would help InBev, known for its cost-cutting and efficiency, repay some of the debt it will take on to buy A-B, analysts said. Blackstone, a U.S. private equity firm and co-owner of Universal Orlando, is also considering buying BE, according to a report last week in The Telegraph. Blackstone, which co-owns Merlin Entertainment Group, may be seeking to combine the 2 businesses and take them public. St. Louis-based Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc., through its Anheuser-Busch Inc. subsidiary, is the leading domestic brewer, holding a 48.5% share of U.S. beer sales. Last month, the company accepted a $52 billion takeover offer from InBev. --------------- =A9 2008 American City Business Journals, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:40:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82912 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 00:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2008 00:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 00:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 00:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 00:40:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:40:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: OP-ED: Why visit every Disney park in the world? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=H9u6wDcKF_cG5B3Y1qmuEe85pNrFY-JwLJi0v3FmeQTnkPw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 06/29/2008 The Salt Lake Tribune http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9701000 By Kim McDaniel Visiting every Disney theme park in the world may seem like an odd life goal for a child-free 30-something, but a wise person once said "for those who understand, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't, none will do." I have been to Walt Disney World (WDW) in Orlando countless times, and still visit at least twice a year, but it took me nearly 30 years to get to Anaheim. Meeting my goal seemed as far away as the moon. Then almost by accident, it happened. Through a fluke of existing travel plans, my husband's extensive work travel schedule and a little bit of luck, I managed to visit all 5 resorts - 11 different theme parks - in less than a year. People were either going to be terribly impressed or horribly frightened. Why visit every Disney park in the world? Aren't they all the same? Not even close. Each property holds up a mirror to its home culture and offers something distinctive and unique. Think of the properties as an extended family. Disneyland (DL) Resort in Anaheim, CA. is the great aunt, a grande dame who has seen the world and has the wrinkles to prove it, but her pearls are still polished. WDW in Orlando, FL. is the big brother, the star athlete who gets all the attention but is still humble enough to hang out with his nerdy little brother. DL Paris Resort is the slightly odd cousin - the one everyone tries to avoid at family gatherings but who is actually pretty nice once you get to know him. The Tokyo Disney Resort parks are the uber-hip twins - those 3rd cousins, twice removed, that you only get to see at weddings and funerals. They're fun and bubbly and intimidatingly cool. Hong Kong DL is the awkward tween nephew, who wants nothing more than to be just like his older and cooler relatives. He'll get there, but for now he's a bit gangly. =20=20=20 The original DL in Anaheim is the original. It was Walt's vision, and the world's first real theme park. But it does have its downsides. Without the necessary land available, it just can't easily accommodate modern crowds. The lessons learned from Anaheim, however, have only made the experiences at the parks that came after that much better. Still, you can't beat the history. Anaheim is the only park where Walt actually walked, rode his favorite ride (Jungle Cruise) and chatted up guests. The Favorite If someone were to force me to choose 1 property to visit for the rest of my life, it would be WDW in Orlando. No question. This place has enough land to fully create a world isolated from its surroundings, making an immersive and magical experience for everyone who visits. Even with 4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 22 resort hotels, golf courses, nightlife and shopping areas, less than half of its geography - the size of San Francisco - is developed. That size can be overwhelming. It is so big that it is all but impossible to see and do everything you want in a short visit. Given the time, you do get the full experience all in one shot. WDW combines the inventiveness of the Japanese in Epcot, the youthful vigor of Hong Kong in Hollywood Studios, the exotic adventure of Paris in Animal Kingdom and the tradition of Anaheim in the Magic Kingdom. It is also the true realization of Walt's dream. =20=20=20 Sea vision The Tokyo Disney Resort is actually owned by the Oriental Land Co. and run under license from Disney, but you would never know it from the experience. DisneySea is possibly the best designed and most impressively themed park in Disney's world. It is no secret that the Japanese love Disney. They dress up as if attending a fashion show, line up hours before the gates open and literally race to their chosen attraction - the girls' high heels clacking the pavement. The people here are some of the most polite and orderly I have ever encountered. Tokyo's Disney parks don't bother with ropes and stanchions, but just direct people where to go, sit or stand. There is even lined and marked stroller parking. If there is a downside to the Tokyo parks, it is the weather. When it gets cold, it is COLD. (But they sell the cutest fuzzy hats with Mickey ears, along with gloves, mufflers and scarves.) The food is not as strange as you might think. Ubiquitous snack carts sell a variety of flavored popcorns: sea salt, black pepper, curry, strawberry and my personal favorite, honey. There is also a famous gyoza bun stand at DisneySea. People stand in a line 20 people deep or more for the yummy snack of sausage in a fluffy pastry bun. =20=20=20 A beauty DL Paris Resort is beautiful and the grounds are efficient, with a train station right in the middle of the property, but it lacks the exemplary service the other Disney resorts worldwide can claim. The castle is easily Disney's most beautiful (designers had to raise the bar, as Europe has a few of the real thing). The shows are odd. They are well produced and gorgeously staged, but just a little, well, French. The food is excellent, though. The restaurants in the theme parks rivals any big city cafe by variety and quality, though they can be expensive. =20=20=20 Growing up Despite growing pains (a 20%+ dip in attendance between its opening season in 2006 and last year), Hong Kong DL is marching forward. With much of the property yet to be developed, new attractions are coming online almost constantly. The setting is amazing. The park shares an aesthetic with the original DL in Anaheim, but with the breathtaking addition of Lantau Island's mountainous landscape as a backdrop. The grounds are painstakingly designed, including an elaborate photo-taking area in Fantasyland and an extensive walking path between the park and 2 on-site resorts. The path passes by topiaries, fountains, a train station, a ferry dock and even allows you to stroll seaside with a partial view of Hong Kong's famous skyline if the weather is clear enough. The park is quite small and has a distinct lack of classic attractions, but there is an unprecedented opportunity to watch this park grow into itself. Much as Orlando benefited from the lessons learned in Anaheim, Hong Kong will be the recipient of countless gifts from its sister parks in the years to come. -------------- Copyright 2008 MediaNews Group From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 04:28:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7326 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 11:28:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2008 11:28:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 11:28:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 11:28:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 11:28:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 11:28:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:28:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hong Kong Disneyland gets ex-Coca-Cola executive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DSx8xex7vpwyC-DzMZA7_4RsXfqpRtlKBh1AzCDOJpJJxjg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 14, 2008 The Associated Press Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/hong_kong_disneyland_managing_director.html?= .v=3D1 HONG KONG, CHINA -- The Walt Disney Co. said Thursday a former Coca-Cola executive with 20 years of experience in China has been appointed head of Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL). Andrew Kam has been named managing director of HKDL, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts said in a statement. Kam was previously deputy GM and marketing and sales director for COFCO Coca-Cola Beverages Ltd., a joint venture between The Coca-Cola Co. and China Cereals, Oils and Foodstuffs Import and Export Corp. He ran marketing and sales for 14 Chinese markets. Kam's appointment comes as HKDL tries to draw more Chinese tourists after disappointing attendance figures in its first 2 years. Kam's predecessor, Bill Ernest, was promoted to Walt Disney Parks and Resorts' president and managing director for Asia. The Walt Disney Co. is based in Burbank, CA. -------------- Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 04:33:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23847 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 11:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2008 11:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 11:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 11:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 11:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 11:33:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:33:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland to stop serving McDonald's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5QA1dh_ppBR4dyEeOh087VpHDsc7N1jFNzhn1svLtiEGxIU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2008 The Associated Press KRGV News Channel 5 http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/8/11/996102/Disneyland-to-stop-serving-McDo= nald-s BURBANK, CA -- No more Big Macs at Disneyland (DL). Or Egg McMuffins or any other McDonald's foods, for that matter. The Walt Disney Company says it's closing down all 3 McDonald's outlets at its DL resort in Anaheim, CA, on September 2nd as part of a planned refurbishment. Disney says the move is not related to its push to promote healthier eating choices for children at restaurants at its parks. 2 years ago, Disney announced a plan to eliminate added trans fats from food served at its theme parks by the end of 2007, and the company says it met that goal. A DL spokeswoman says the park makes "enhancements throughout the park on a regular basis," and that it will continue to offer a wide variety of food choices. ----------------- Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 04:46:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71066 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 11:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2008 11:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 11:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 11:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 11:45:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:45:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Anaheim Resort Cops & Firefighters Attend Charm School X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=keCX40-3sUd2yCdwNfnnjJvEzcIXmCYh1NWZs4zMvfJh8uU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 11, 2008 The Press Democrat http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080811/news/808110305&tc=3Dyahoo By Patt Morrison ANAHEIM, CA -- The cops & concierges, the cabbies & firefighters and gas station attendants who labor by the thousands in the flourishing Anaheim "resort district" are about to be invited to attend -- how shall I say this? -- charm school. Sure, they could use some sprucing up. Who among us couldn't? Next to Kate Moss, every woman is fat. Next to George Clooney, every man is drab. Next to Stephen Hawking, everyone is dumb. And so, next to the cheery, prescribed punctilio of the employees -- the cast members -- at Disneyland (DL), everyone is a dour boor. Good thing the rest of us get graded on the curve. When I read the Los Angeles Times story about $90,000 being put up by local merchants, including DL, toward scrubbing up the customer service of the public and private workers who handle tourists in the thronging streets of Anaheim, I wondered, what set that in motion? Did some waiter terrify a Japanese visitor by endorsing the seared ahi as "gnarly"? No, says Charles Ahlers, who runs the Anaheim/Orange County Visitor and Convention Bureau. It's more about savvy. Back when he started working in Anaheim, about 30 years ago, DL was pretty much the only draw, and the city "enjoyed a reputation for customer service. Candidly, a lot's changed. In order to say we're customer-centric, we have to prove it." The charm school "is a way of catching up with our own reputation." Everyone, cops to landscapers, should be on the same page with what they know to tell visitors, and how to tell it, Ahlers says. And here's the part I love: They're going to do it "with Mickey's help." Not the trademarked rodent across the road. Mickey Schaefer heads an eponymous Tucson, AZ. company that's doing the training. When she wore her "Mickey" name tag in Anaheim a while back, 2 little kids saw it and told her indignantly that she certainly was not Mickey. The little girl further informed her that she was Minnie. That's the power of a brand. Her training program isn't Mickey Mouse white gloves and tea-time Emily Post: "We're teaching a behavior change." In client cities from Washington to Phoenix, she's been astonished at how little people know of the basic rules and attitudes of customer service -- starting with the Golden Rule. She was visiting New York when I phoned her. She happened to be in view of Ellis Island. Imagine, she said, a New York worker, public or private, who couldn't tell a tourist about Ellis Island. So Schaefer's curriculum builds in history: "You walk by a statue all your life and you don't know who it is, and all of a sudden you find out it's one of the founders" of your city. Her Anaheim students will learn how the place got its name (from the German immigrants 150 years ago) and why Walt set up shop here (enough real estate). Schaefer has a thing about not just the words people use but the attitude they convey. "My bad" is out. It's "I'm sorry, my fault." Likewise, "sweeeeet!" as a synonym for "great." And never, ever answer "thank you" with "no problem" -- because, as she says, "'no' and 'problem' are both negative words." I could get behind this, up to a point. Start with the gas station clerk who couldn't even look up from his video game on Monday and grunt an acknowledgment when I put 30 bucks on the counter and asked for regular on pump No. 7. But I'd hate to see civilian Anaheim turned into Disney Anaheim. It's an unsettlingly small world after all, but I hope not that small. We all want good manners, but don't visitors want a little local color, not "Great Moments With Mr. Waiter" robotics? Beijing's Olympic makeover is going so far that residents might not know the place. Is it really Beijing if the cabbies don't smoke and spit and smell a little? New York has tried to hammer niceness into its taxi drivers too, but if the airport cabbie who picks you up at JFK acts like the queen's butler, wouldn't you think you'd landed at the wrong airport? If I were visiting Orange County from, say, Japan, and the waiter called the seared ahi "gnarly," or a motorcycle cop slipped and called me "dude" -- well, I'd be tickled. I'd take home a more authentic California souvenir than a pair of board shorts from a surf styles chain store in Downtown Disney. Now that's sweeeeet. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 PressDemocrat.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 18:17:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89985 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 01:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 01:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 01:17:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26780 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 01:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.233.147] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:17:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:17:43 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <993918.26730.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: European theme park owner ponders bid for Busch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=hfuJ7b9tNXQyacfW30F3xmZBuBlVRkLwEsRR6G3KTT0CbdwZo3bV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme What does Parques Reunidos think it is? Six Flags? This is very disturbing news. Busch theme parks have been a gold standard for decades, with meticulous attention to detail and some of the most beautiful landscaping anywhere. All growth has been carefully though out so that the various themed sections felt organic, as if they belonged there. Blackstone might be a better fit, since they're not yet burdened by a recent multi-park acquisition. What the heck -- pretty soon everything in the world will be owned by one company anyway. :-( Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 18:23:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78109 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 01:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 01:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 01:23:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30738 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 01:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.233.147] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:23:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:23:44 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1218731582.2960.77026.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <762671.27612.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Hong Kong Disneyland gets ex-Coca-Cola executive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=8zfUrDXVS7EIRkk7z_88BqIWaCC5kF_Nhy3M97fczoD3RvXvixUE X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Kam was previously deputy GM and marketing and sales director for COFCO Coca-Cola Beverages Ltd. < Interesting choice. I assume Disney tapped Kam for of his knowledge of the Asian market. But it always seems strange to me when people who know little-to-nothing about amusement businesses are hired in top positions. Entertainment -- especially parks -- don't conform to the same rules used to market consumer goods. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Aug 14 19:21:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40524 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 02:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 02:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 02:21:24 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so458981yxb.25 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.28.7 with SMTP id f7mr794923wfj.40.1218766884148; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808141921v75ef0edh9cb13a9c67f50043@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:21:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <993918.26730.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <993918.26730.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: European theme park owner ponders bid for Busch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=uqrBx_jA-SAfZHSBiLHFreLe05iAl0-FenVUG-wCiq7iIrS9fg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone already knows they're going to buy them to close them, then part the rides out to Kennywood.... :rolleyes: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > What does Parques Reunidos think it is? Six Flags? > > This is very disturbing news. Busch theme parks have been a gold standard > for decades, with meticulous attention to detail and some of the most > beautiful landscaping anywhere. All growth has been carefully though out so > that the various themed sections felt organic, as if they belonged there. > > Blackstone might be a better fit, since they're not yet burdened by a > recent multi-park acquisition. > > What the heck -- pretty soon everything in the world will be owned by one > company anyway. :-( > > Jay > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Aug 14 19:31:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27689 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 02:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 02:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f14.google.com) (209.85.217.14) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 02:31:58 -0000 X-Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so3051277gxk.23 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.227.9 with SMTP id z9mr2947957ybg.74.1218767517375; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.212.1 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808141931v1c12077aj8652dd65da6ed028@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:31:57 -0400 To: rollercoastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Canobie Lake Park - 8/13/08 - First Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=P26H__lFw_D4Jb1I8gV6Aqm62I4Pv2YdLygNJBEXrkf8V8E X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Erin and I went to Canobie Lake Park for the first time yesterday. I had been meaning to get to this park for a few years, but never seemed to make it. Last week I finally plugged the address into google maps and found out it was only about 2 1/2 hours away from my house, so Erin and I planned a trip to go. Based on all of the reports that I had heard, the pictures I had seen in photo trip reports, and general reports it sounded as if the park was very small, so we slept in and left around 2:30 to get to the park for the 5:00 pm pricing. I tend to like the look of parks better at night anyway, so I thought it was a good call. After fighting against traffic through Massachusetts we finally made it to the park around 5:30, and man was the parking lot full. But the parking was also free, and that was very much appreciated. From the first view of the park the place looked beautiful. The entrance plaza was way more impressive than most; it looked like a giant castle. The parking lot had some great views of the parks signature ride, the Schmeck woodie Yankee Cannonball. However, I did not see the thing run. I immediately got nervous. After going through the excellent entrance for the cheap price of 19 bucks, and started walking over to the Cannonball. On the walk there I was very impressed with the theming at the park. The popcorn stand was right out of RCT, same for the hot dog stand. The rides, which were of the normal small amusement park variety (round up, frisbee, pirate ship) were all really well themed. A lot better than I would have expected. Much better than what you see at any six flags or cedar fair park. The wait for the Cannonball looked pretty long, but at least it was running. However, it was only running one train. Is that typical for this ride? The park was really crowded, and the line ended up taking more than an hour. There was another train in the station, but it was covered with a tarp. Is that train out of commission, do they only run one at a time, or do they only break out the second on weekends? Aside from being a much longer wait than we had expected, the line was really entertaining because the parks very own original boy band LYRICZ* was playing. I laughed pretty hard for most of the show for these reasons: 1. The boy band craze has been over for almost 10 years at this point 2. They had matching outfits 3. They tried to choreograph their moves. 4. They weren't very good at it. 5. Most of the moves were the same as the various backstreetboys or nsync music videos, but they still could barely remember them. 6.They do this show 3 times a day all summer long, but still none of them could get the moves right. 7. One of the guys almost fell down at one point. 8. They had an autographing session after the show 9. They were actually pretty bad at singing anything in general 10. They played a new kids on the block song 11. We caught some of their late show on another walk through the park, and they now all had different matching outfits on. (and this one is my favorite) 12. We saw a girl later that night, probably around 15 years old, with a self made sharpie-on-white-t shirt with the LYRICZ* logo and all of the names of the members, and their signatures. Although I was laughing more for ironic reasons, it did keep Erin and I thoroughly entertained through the first half of the line. Anyway, after about an hour of waiting we ended up in the front seat of the Cannonball. I'm a big fan of Schmeck's in general, and this one was no let down. Lots of great airtime on the top of every single hill. The whole return run was out of control. For a ride maxing out at 35 mph this one really let loose. It was smooth the whole way, had very little dead track, and very good pacing. That's one great thing about shmeck's in general, I love the little hills in between the bigger hills, they really do wonders for the passing. The one spot of the slow track was the long right turn 1/2 way out. But a really good, smooth ride. I would have liked to get a few more rides in some other seats, but that wasn't really an option with the long lines. After the Cannonball we decided to go to the Dancing Bear for dinner. And wow, what a great meal. We both got the bacon cheeseburgers, which actually came with fries and coleslaw for only 8 bucks or so. Add in 2 beers, and we had a really decent sit down meal (they even brought the food to our table!) for around 30 bucks. Better than what you'd get at a fridays or other chain sit down place, but a few bucks cheaper. Incomparable to most amusement park fare. Erin couldn't come close to finishing her dinner. We walked back through the park, enjoying the scenery. The lake itself was a very beautiful setting. It would be awesome to own a summer home on the side of that some day. And also, what the hell was the deal with the random peacock roaming around? I couldn't find anything about it in the park map, but that was a really nice and surprising treat. We passed up the impressive looking and very enticing Mine of Lost Souls because the queue was full and looked to be around an hour. Is this a Sally shooter, or a regular drive through? I like the regular kinds a lot better, so I hope I didn't miss out of one of those. We walked over to the Canobie Corkscrew to snag the parks other credit. By this time the lights in the park had all come on and the park seemed even more alive. However, the lines didn't die down at all. We waited around 45 minutes for the standard 'ok' corkscrew ride. This one seemed a little less jarring than I remember the one at MiA being when I rode that a few years ago. And the crowds seemed to love it. I got the feeling that for most of these people, this is the only looping roller coaster that they have ever ridden. The general excitement in the atmosphere made the ride a little bit better. And I typically do enjoy those old school arrow first drops, as rampy as they may be. We took another stroll across the park, which had become even more impressive in the dusk, and hoped in line for the parks S&S doubleshot, star blaster. I've been on a few of these, including the ones at IB and Rye (is the tower at HW a doubleshot?) Either way, I remember falling in love with the IB version. The setting over the water, the intensity of the launches, that ride was amazing and left a real dent in my memory. I found the Rye Playland version dissapointing in comparison. I guess it was an alright ride, but nowhere near the intensity of the IB version. But this Canobie ride was fantastic. The blasts were very powerful, and the air at the top was actually surprising in its intensity. We ended up on the 2 seats facing out toward the midway with the lake behind it, so the view was amazing. It was a little after 9 at this point, and the line for the cannonball was even longer at this point so we decided to just head toward our long drive home. Overall, I could not have been happier with the park. Well, I could have enjoyed some shorter lines, but congratulations to the park for packing the people in, and keeping them all happy. There were none of those drawn and exhausted faces you usually see wandering around the six flags parks. I hope I don't come off too negative towards the bigger parks, I do enjoy six flags and say that cedar point is one of my favorite parks. The experiences are just so different. So it was a really great night. We didn't get to experience the whole park, but that's just more of a reason to get back there some day in the future. -Mike From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Aug 15 05:30:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55063 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 12:30:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 12:30:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 12:30:42 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so594046yxh.28 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.215.17 with SMTP id n17mr3806758ybg.4.1218803441837; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i38sm4369193wxd.23.2008.08.15.05.30.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:30:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:30:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <993918.26730.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acj+dL7AdoDWCqTDSsm8zeta/vYGawAXX3Mg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <48a576f0.2687460a.54ff.5a23@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: European theme park owner ponders bid for Busch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=cIwzkhM-qmX2mZydNGwzwrWgliOSlKnIyfs1PNeoCHEKgkU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Blackstone might be a better fit, since they're not yet burdened by a recent multi-park acquisition." I think PR has pretty deep pockets right now. They are owned by the Candover Group (http://www.candover.com/), which can afford to leverage the company to grow as it sees fit in the short term. The question will be more like it was with Six Flags and Cedar Fair: how do the parks fare as revenue generating entities when they stop the growth and just operate? Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Aug 15 05:41:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72801 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 12:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 12:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 12:41:54 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so73092qwb.9 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:41:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.9.8 with SMTP id 8mr2498712qai.29.1218804113561; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h34sm24514wxd.27.2008.08.15.05.41.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:41:53 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:41:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0808141931v1c12077aj8652dd65da6ed028@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acj+fxn3+E1/52uSRB2muD6cG4dO9gAVGjAg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-ID: <48a57991.2286460a.18d5.01ce@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: Canobie Lake Park - 8/13/08 - First Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=_VD9nj4RCZV9otDNrCqzMnsjaSlCrAoB1Fah8a3bK8Qn-K8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The wait for the Cannonball looked pretty long, but at least it was running. However, it was only running one train. Is that typical for this ride? The park was really crowded, and the line ended up taking more than an hour. There was another train in the station, but it was covered with a tarp. Is that train out of commission, do they only run one at a time, or do they only break out the second on weekends?" I think they do not run it that often due to an accident a few years back when the trains collided. I am surprised they have not looked at putting fins or a mag/tire combo on it to allow for more two train ops. "Aside from being a much longer wait than we had expected, the line was really entertaining because the parks very own original boy band LYRICZ* was playing. I laughed pretty hard for most of the show for these reasons:" I was up there with a co-worker recently for an industry meeting and also enjoyed the unique vocal stylings of lyrics. It was boy band heaven (which is really hell). Although I was laughing more for ironic reasons, it did keep Erin and I thoroughly entertained through the first half of the line. "After the Cannonball we decided to go to the Dancing Bear for dinner. And wow, what a great meal. We both got the bacon cheeseburgers, which actually came with fries and coleslaw for only 8 bucks or so. Add in 2 beers, and we had a really decent sit down meal (they even brought the food to our table!) for around 30 bucks. Better than what you'd get at a fridays or other chain sit down place, but a few bucks cheaper. Incomparable to most amusement park fare. Erin couldn't come close to finishing her dinner." I think all of their food is done by Sodexo, who does a pretty good job with it. "We passed up the impressive looking and very enticing Mine of Lost Souls because the queue was full and looked to be around an hour. Is this a Sally shooter, or a regular drive through? I like the regular kinds a lot better, so I hope I didn't miss out of one of those." It is an old Sally ride-through (I think with an SDC system). It is not great, but there is a random Egyptian section. Canobie is a great park, but as you saw, when the weather is good the crowds are out in force. If you like flats check out the Frisbee next time, it is run quite well. Plus, you can marvel at the odd combination of German carnie flash left over from the previous owner and the new scaffolding with Mona Lisa theme job from Canobie. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 15 06:51:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15862 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 13:51:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 13:51:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 13:51:31 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KTziF-00048u-7w for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:51:31 -0400 Message-ID: <48A589E1.7070603@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:51:29 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47857917ca117f2a1a3ddacc6c907ed61b0f7dc463634986457350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: European theme park owner ponders bid for Busch Entertainment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=DiNsF6XR5k38sRwv3RUZAMBI4lHV9fkRc-Pcb4yqsGoQjjc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > Blackstone, a U.S. private equity firm and co-owner of Universal > Orlando, is also considering buying BE, according to a report last > week in The Telegraph. Blackstone, which co-owns Merlin Entertainment > Group, may be seeking to combine the 2 businesses and take them public. From what I've seen so far, this is the proposition that has me most intrigued at this point. Wonder if that means that my current Busch platinum passes would then let me get into Universal Orlando and IOA again, since I no longer have passes for them? Park quality wise it would be a good fit, though Universal has such a different feel than the Busch parks do. It's certainly going to be interesting to see how it all plays out. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:21:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42212 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 14:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 14:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.133) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:21:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 6 Months to Decide on Possible Grayling Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=retVbyjk2rD7wDO5MDR-S0v-BJkV5JaplEANOn2f7XdnqNY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/15/2008 9 & 10 News http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=3D140440 GRAYLING, MI -- Theme park or no theme park? The DNR is giving a developer 6 months to get his finances straight before making a decision to build the park in Crawford County. Axiom Entertainment announced plans in 2006 to build "Main Street America" in Grayling. It could create more than 2,000 jobs and business owners say it would also bring in a lot of foot traffic. State leaders say they won't sell the land until they're sure that financing exists for the $160-million project. ---------------- =A9 1997-2008 Heritage Broadcasting Group =A9 2008 Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:24:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7925 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 14:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 14:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:24:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:24:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Italian capital plans ancient Rome theme park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=V6NtFQ9F_eLWHG1oncc7VV3oa8FzEGRsV0vNRCp-pkiZfRE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 14, 2008 The Associated Press Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/italy_roman_theme_park.html?.v=3D1 ROME, IT -- City officials say they want to build an ancient Rome theme park on the outskirts of the Italian capital to boost declining tourism. Deputy Mayor Mauro Cutrufo says the park would focus on the history and monuments of ancient Rome and would be similar in size to Disneyland-Paris. Planners predict it would occupy 300-400 hectares (750-1,000 acres) and take 3-4 years to build. Cutrufo said Thursday that city politicians will debate the plan after market studies have determined how much interest in it there might be. He says Rome saw a drop of at least 5% in tourist numbers in August compared with last year. ------------------ =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2008 The Associated Press From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:32:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74456 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 14:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 14:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:32:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:32:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags theme parks see surge in attendance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=XZXH0E5b_-8mlX7K8v6RsghVEXW-cU8CuugCQPtueCHXLkI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug. 15, 2008 Star-Telegram http://www.star-telegram.com/arlington_news/story/834926.html By Andrea Ahles NEW YORK, NY -- Lower ticket prices and discounts at Six Flags (6F) theme parks this summer seem to have worked. The New York-based company announced Thursday that attendance at its parks for the beginning of the 3rd quarter had grown 5.1% to 8.43 million. Last weekend, 6F Over Texas offered online tickets for $19.99, which is $27 lower than its gate price. Revenue for the quarter's first 6 weeks is also up 7.6%, or $23.5 million, despite having fewer park operating days, the company said. Guests are also spending more, $38.56 per guest for the period. "This is a terrific start for the quarter, and it demonstrates that the company's strategic, multiyear commitment to improving the quality of our guest experience and expanding our core business can bring about sustained long-term growth," CEO Mark Shapiro said in a statement. Shares of 6F jumped 10 cents, or 9.7%, Thursday, closing at $1.13. The company has about 2 weeks left in its regular operating season. 6F Over Texas is open daily until Aug. 24 and will then be open weekends only through the first weekend in November. -------------- Copyright 2008 Star-Telegram Operating, Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:37:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23611 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:37:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:37:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Lo-Q Enjoys Profits this Year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=thyE_pQpo2VxZzDm28rcyIqdBq_r8pvm-RmTDuvnfPfw1f0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 15, 2008 ShareCast Yahoo! UK Finance http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/03122007/214/results-round.html LONDON, UK -- Theme park queuing systems supplier Lo-Q enjoyed a pre-tax profit of =A3182,281 for the 6 months ended 30 June compared with just =A314,327 a year ago. "The company's trading results are currently being helped by the strengthening dollar and were this to continue the results for this year would be positively impacted," it said. "We are mindful that the economic climate here and abroad could cause the company's progress to slow, as could persistent bouts of poor weather, however the board is very happy with the company's strong performance so far this year," said Lo-Q. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 ShareCast From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:41:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60786 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 14:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 14:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 14:41:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:41:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NddmbkNDhuVP2UWYLcrz2583WifmE6bppC5xaQyMraRo2fo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08/13/2008 Inland Valley Daily Bulletin http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_10195738?source=3Drss By Karen Maeshiro VALENCIA, CA -- Cockroaches will be off the menu at Magic Mountain this Halloween. The Six Flags California theme park had previously offered patrons a chance to munch on live, 3"-long Madagascar hissing cockroaches as a promotional stunt for Halloween Fright Fest. Those who took the challenge were rewarded with trips to the front of long lines or promotional T-shirts and hats. Animal-rights activists protested and have taken credit for the park's recent decision, but company officials said they simply have moved on to other gimmicks. The decision was made to "shake things up," said Sandra Daniels, VP of communications. The promotional event, which began in 2006, bugged animal-rights groups like People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, which described the roaches as intriguing animals. "We are very pleased," PETA spokeswoman Kristie Phelps said. "What we want people to know is that cockroaches might be given a bad rap in society, but they do not deserve to be eaten and used as a gratuitous marketing gimmick." --------------- Copyright =A92008 Los Angeles Newspaper group From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 16:13:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58220 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 23:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 23:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 23:13:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4877 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 23:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from [72.70.229.88] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:13:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:13:08 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1218817014.2270.94057.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <642917.4709.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Canobie Lake Park - 8/13/08 - First Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=B7s_YweH6hGRSuWt2fJLaQ7lJFN_Z-KDQDQqcqJRINbSE3pzO7KJ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Nice TR, Michael. Glad you had a good time! > The popcorn stand was right out of RCT, same for the hot dog stand. < The Hot Dog stand was added this year and replaced the Matterhorn. And Adam's correct -- Sodhexo handles all the park food. > The rides, which were of the normal small amusement park variety (round up, frisbee, pirate ship) were all really well themed. A lot better than I would have expected. Much better than what you see at any six flags or cedar fair park. < Did you notice the waterpark next to the Corkscrew? It's amazing. > There was another train in the station, but it was covered with a tarp. < Adam was correct again -- there was a minor accident a few years ago where one train ran into the other. So I assume for liability reasons only one train runs now. And I agree that they should get rid of their old skid brakes and get fins with a failsafe so that the train can't roll into the station if one is still there. They've certainly got a long enough brake run to accommodate that feature. > Aside from being a much longer wait than we had expected, the line was really entertaining because the parks very own original boy band LYRICZ* < I wanted to scream in agony. At least it was slightly better than the depressingly bad Britney Spears tribute last year. The shows in the big theater, by contrast, are usually top-notch. I definitely recommend a return trip. There was so much more in the park -- the rare Tiki Maze, the Boston Tea Party, Sawmill Plunge, the boat ride out onto the lake.... And I really like Mine of the Lost Souls. There are some impressive stunts inside. Plus, the big arcade has lots of antique machines. Did you see the working Nicklodeons scattered around the midway? Get there early and you'll easily get several rides on Cannonball before the crowds set in. Jay From zaldarff@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 16:29:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12051 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 23:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 23:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.65) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 23:29:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54170 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 23:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.229.99.117] by web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:29:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:29:17 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <130317.53200.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Santley Reply-To: zaldarff@yahoo.com Subject: Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=LwcHU7tucpgtcMHrWeIumbGvR0LOTPOtSF5HEdIDs3Poo1M X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok PETA just went off the deep end! I understand their complaint about SFMM= "s Cockroach plan, but come on now! Do you really expect me to believe that= these little guys should be treated as humans? If it's possible to eat the= se things without killing yourself or becoming sevierly ill, and If it ther= e is proof of some nutritional benafit then why shouldn't they be eatten. A= fterall it is a way to go green and it would be a great substitute for the = cattle industry, and as for as any marketing gimmic goes I just have to say= that PETA=A0 sort of asked for it. Everyone knows that there are far more = insects, arachnids, and other small creatures on this earth then there are = are humans therefor one should be abit more descreat when picking a speacie= s to protect as well as how to protect them. =A0 Bill =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 18:12:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93418 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 01:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 01:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (76.13.13.72) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from [76.13.13.26] by n2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from [76.13.10.184] by t3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp125.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:12:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 367540.31645.bm@omp125.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46600 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2008 01:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from [70.127.130.16] by web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:12:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:12:32 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 76.13.13.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=LdqZjiiqQaHEM0JsrsxGIWTItiTvkMHGzQXwHZEjH93iNLKs8EQ5 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is another case of a special interest group having nothing else better to do with their time. Hey, how about we send a nice box of them, special delivery, to the woman who is relishing in this victory, and see what her reaction is. : )~ Joe ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Santley To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:29:17 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain Ok PETA just went off the deep end! I understand their complaint about SFMM"s Cockroach plan, but come on now! Do you really expect me to believe that these little guys should be treated as humans? If it's possible to eat these things without killing yourself or becoming sevierly ill, and If it there is proof of some nutritional benafit then why shouldn't they be eatten. Afterall it is a way to go green and it would be a great substitute for the cattle industry, and as for as any marketing gimmic goes I just have to say that PETA sort of asked for it. Everyone knows that there are far more insects, arachnids, and other small creatures on this earth then there are are humans therefor one should be abit more descreat when picking a speacies to protect as well as how to protect them. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 18:47:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68620 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 01:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 01:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:47:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:47:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.182.54 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=ZdwC3HWXW7ooATZ1F_YikcyG6DyJ4-D9ls9cKvv3kKHya6PpzhL9 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > > This is another case of a special interest group having nothing else=20 better to do with their time. > Hey, how about we send a nice box of them, special delivery, to the=20 woman who is relishing in this victory, and see > what her reaction is. : )~ >=20 > Joe >=20 >Send her some ketchup, too..that's how I like 'em, anyway. Mike From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Aug 15 19:36:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53940 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 02:36:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 02:36:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-194.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 02:36:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10445 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 02:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KUBea-0003aM-7w for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:36:32 -0600 Message-Id: <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:36:35 -0400 References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=i0J_RYSLwR4CHSQNJpZkeWZ5o1ohmjhKtIkiqGbM82OhvSDFgnpU X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Ok PETA just went off the deep end! I understand their complaint >> about SFMM"s Cockroach plan, but come on now! Do you really expect >> me to believe that these little guys should be treated as humans? >> If it's possible to eat these things without killing yourself or >> becoming sevierly ill, and If it there is proof of some nutritional >> benafit then why shouldn't they be eatten. Afterall it is a way to >> go green and it would be a great substitute for the cattle >> industry, and as for as any marketing gimmic goes I just have to >> say that PETA sort of asked for it. Everyone knows that there are >> far more insects, arachnids, and other small creatures on this >> earth then there are are humans therefor one should be abit more >> descreat when picking a speacies to protect as well as how to >> protect them. > > > This is another case of a special interest group having nothing else > better to do with their time. > Hey, how about we send a nice box of them, special delivery, to the > woman who is relishing in this victory, and see > what her reaction is. : )~ But... does it really matter? I mean... a group of managers and PR people were sitting around a table, spending time thinking of ways to get people to come to the park for Halloween. And then someone said "Hey we should get huge, live cockroaches, have people eat them, and then give them free tshirts and front of the ride passes!" And then everyone else at the table said, "holy crap, that's an AWESOME idea, we should totally do that!!!" I think the only real downside to this story is that the people who approved this as a promo were never punched in the face for it. Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Aug 15 20:05:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50335 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 03:05:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 03:05:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 03:05:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2724 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 03:05:31 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 16 Aug 2008 03:05:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:05:23 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Ru8MHYkX2hX9PjM9Q4gkHTziPU_32-IJ1tHdTvuVDqUVcQrG X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I think the only real downside to this story is that the people who > approved this as a promo were never punched in the face for it. What's so bad about it? -- Cameron Silver: ** You're older than * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you've ever been... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Aug 15 21:46:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89862 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 04:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 04:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 04:46:10 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1237487wfg.25 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.13.13 with SMTP id 13mr1249576wfm.127.1218861970053; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:46:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=kKR848yi_Y-4EkRXDieQ-seh_VF470kz57yRSnIhzfp0MvWgoA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with Cameron. I thought it was a pretty awesome 'promotion'. As a fan of Halloween and horror films and effects etc, I think it's a decent idea. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > I think the only real downside to this story is that the people who > > approved this as a promo were never punched in the face for it. > > What's so bad about it? > > -- > Cameron Silver: ** You're older than * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** you've ever been... * / > //\ > **************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \, > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Aug 15 22:50:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40687 invoked by uid 7800); 16 Aug 2008 05:50:21 -0000 Date: 16 Aug 2008 05:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1218865821.16.40682.m42@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Hp1KOBxUpyCtbnlYWEDqsEISGDG1218865819-1" --YCalReminder=Hp1KOBxUpyCtbnlYWEDqsEISGDG1218865819-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=Hp1KOBxUpyCtbnlYWEDqsEISGDG1218865819-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Aug 15 23:00:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50031 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 06:00:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 06:00:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.170) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 06:00:21 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1313479wfd.21 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:00:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.229.4 with SMTP id b4mr1266770wfh.19.1218866421153; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:00:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808152300x2fb52abfr375e2bd3bdf6779e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:00:21 -0400 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Shd69cYfQGwKfgVkcEyrh5DuTa36-dUGr636NlUXRfGLo1XPDA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have nothing against getting news in my inbox, but it also comes to my phone and when it's buzzing and beeping 600,000 times in the middle of the night with news from RCT, it's getting a little on the old side. It's gotten to the point where I tend to skip over news and editorial items without reading them because there is so many. It's kind of the same scenario as the Anniversary Reminders, which have gotten much better. I realize there is a digest version of the list, but I like getting individual emails on other topics such as TR's and the like. Is there maybe a way we could try a "News Digest" where the news is consolidated into one topic daily, sort of like a news paper or the news section of some other coaster site? I'm not saying I don't like getting the news in my email, I'd just rather is was compiled into once source so I don't get 500 e-mails. Anyone else feeling the same way? Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Aug 15 23:17:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67104 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 06:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 06:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-195.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.55) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 06:17:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15968 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 06:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 06:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KUF6Z-00017A-7Y for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:17:39 -0600 Message-Id: <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:17:42 -0400 References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=z8uVE7r8vN_hO29Uq_-ENGMsQF2zLVLkG7mPii4u_CKWpQ9yZzn1 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman To me it seems sort of stupid in general, but as a promotion I don't think it's very effective at getting people to give more money to Six Flags. Lets look: The good: - several people may be entertained - several people may get front of the line passes and free tshirts The bad: - it's not something that brings more people into the park - it's not something you would advertise on TV for - some people may get all peta-ish and not like the idea of people eating live cockroaches - are people eating cockroaches really an image you want associated with your amusement park? - it costs money to organize the event, import cockroaches, etc - people won't buy anything as a result of watching this event, if anything it's less time spent in the shops Really the only way that this would generate income for the park is through viral advertising -- if people go back to the office and talked about how they saw people eating cockroaches at Six Flags. Then of course, for it to be effective, that person would have to actually visit the park, which I doubt would happen. A more effective campaign would be just to give everyone who enters the gate a bag of free halloween candy, or give everyone a nice Six Flags bag, and have trick or treat places throughout the park. If they bought candy in bulk it'd be cheap, and they could probably get a sponsor or partnership deal with Hershey or Nestle or something, to reduce the cost of the promo. Even though its a small event, it's something they could advertise on TV. Besides that, it would probably generate way more positive word of mouth, especially with parents with kids. There is also more opportunity for generating additional revenue with things like making custom tshirts and sweatshirts, especially aimed at kids, that were like "i trick or treated at six flags fright fest". Plus if you eat chocolate you get thirsty, so people would spend more money on food and drinks. Mike On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:46 AM, Josh W wrote: > I'm with Cameron. I thought it was a pretty awesome 'promotion'. As > a fan of > Halloween and horror films and effects etc, I think it's a decent > idea. > > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Cameron Silver > wrote: > >> >>> I think the only real downside to this story is that the people who >>> approved this as a promo were never punched in the face for it. >> >> What's so bad about it? >> >> -- >> Cameron Silver: ** You're older than * ,_~o >> cameron@buzzneon.com ** you've ever >> been... * / >> //\ >> **************************************************************** >> \>> | >> I'd rather be Skiing. * \, >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Aug 15 23:56:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65548 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 06:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 06:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.231) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 06:56:39 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so688164wxd.11 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.70.55.3 with SMTP id d3mr4167522wxa.85.1218869798484; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808152356u7d127ccay657a0223b87defd0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:56:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808152300x2fb52abfr375e2bd3bdf6779e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0808152300x2fb52abfr375e2bd3bdf6779e@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=lKFyh-RBj6OgjkEqCg7jZdxuDWQQAdTLxTsG1mTaEbYOei4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I appreciate all of the work that allen puts into getting us all the news, and i think Josh's sugestion is a great one. Would that be too much extra work for you? i know you're already going out of you way to get these items as it is, but Joshes suggestion would really reduce the load on by pda. mike On 8/16/08, Josh W wrote: > I have nothing against getting news in my inbox, but it also comes to my > phone and when it's buzzing and beeping 600,000 times in the middle of the > night with news from RCT, it's getting a little on the old side. It's gotten > to the point where I tend to skip over news and editorial items without > reading them because there is so many. It's kind of the same scenario as the > Anniversary Reminders, which have gotten much better. > > I realize there is a digest version of the list, but I like getting > individual emails on other topics such as TR's and the like. Is there maybe > a way we could try a "News Digest" where the news is consolidated into one > topic daily, sort of like a news paper or the news section of some other > coaster site? > > I'm not saying I don't like getting the news in my email, I'd just rather is > was compiled into once source so I don't get 500 e-mails. > > Anyone else feeling the same way? > > > Josh > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 04:45:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49000 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 11:45:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 11:45:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:45:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4496 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2008 11:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from [138.89.182.54] by web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:45:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:45:18 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1218865821.16.40682.m42@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <604298.3058.qm@web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Gallagher Reply-To: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=HGA406ZOLsh1q9YwubTcmVcu_OIZnDUoftViyS_LFf2JrOJFF5Vl X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...and for the second year in a row, I find out it's National Roller Coaste= r Day on THAT DAY..too late to plan a ride! =A0 Mike --- On Sat, 8/16/08, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:50 AM #yiv579185745 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} #yiv579185745 {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} #yiv579185745 .propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;ve= rtical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} #yiv579185745 .propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align:= top;} #yiv579185745 .divider{width:5px;} #yiv579185745 #main {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px = 0;margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv579185745 #main_info {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px 10px;c= lear:both;width:505px;} #yiv579185745 .header_images {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10p= x;} #yiv579185745 #header_yahoo_image {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;b= ackground-repeat:no-repeat;height:28px;text-align:left;} #yiv579185745 #header_second_image {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px;= height:38px;} #yiv579185745 .header_spacer {height:10px;} #yiv579185745 .line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} #yiv579185745 #copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} #yiv579185745 #main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px = 15px;} #yiv579185745 #tip_footer {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} #yiv579185745 .clear_line{font-size:8px;} Reminder from: =A0 RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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Inc.=A0All Rights Reserve= d | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 07:47:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51171 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 14:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 14:47:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:47:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0808152356u7d127ccay657a0223b87defd0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Y3k8R7zWVgPIROIonexwI53EiBTTlKuIU-lu2mQPuYA7sIw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Talk about an old hashed & re-hashed topic. Just in case you didn't already know, I've been modifying the Headlines to be more informative, so that anyone reading the headline can make a decision to read them or not. Also, I'm trying to keep it down to 3-5 articles a day, unless it's just too juicy! Some days there just isn't that much news to report, and those days are even lighter. Of course, why would anyone want these coming to their computer/pda as e-mails to begin with is beyond me? It's not like the stuff on this list is "Important" (like breaking news about war/weather/etc). Instead, many of us actually go to the Group site, log-in, and read it there! (I only visit this site once a day.) Gosh! No fuss, no extra e-mail cluttering up the place, and I get to read what I want! (Who would have thought of something so easy?) One Solution: If you don't want an e-mail version of this Group Site (which is redundant in my opinion), all you need to do is click on "Edit Membership" (in the upper left-hand of the site page), then look for "Step 2. Message Delivery", there you can change it to "Special Notice" or "Web Only". Voila! No more pesky e-mails! Funny, no one from the Disneyland Talk site complains. Hmmm? -Alan P.S. And on a personal note: I haven't been posting for at least a month, and as soon as I get back, I get b!+c#&d at (AGAIN) right out of the gate. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Aug 16 10:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6421 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 17:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 17:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 17:40:41 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so1636038rvb.14 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.70.18 with SMTP id x18mr2251344rvk.284.1218908440864; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:40:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0808152356u7d127ccay657a0223b87defd0@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=n1JoEqv2hoq_iseMhy5ZP7B-jOTEsLu2tErQ-Ats7NF74VVh9BGG4rI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > P.S. And on a personal note: I haven't been posting for at least a > month, and as soon as I get back, I get b!+c#&d at (AGAIN) right out > of the gate. Oh my. Let's settle down, Sally Sensitive, there's no reason to overreact. I think both Josh and Mike were extremely polite in their posts and offered some good feedback and some potentially useful suggestions. Is it fair to just throw that aside and not even discus it because you don't agree? So the Disney people don't care about 35+ "news" posts in their inbox per day. This isn't the Disney group, and each and every group member here is entitled to his or her own opinion. I think we owe it to each other to at least listen to those opinions and consider the suggestions we're given. Personally, I don't care much about the news articles because I just delete them as soon as they arrive anyway. But just because I would prefer not receiving them in the first place doesn't mean I don't want any e-mails from the group. I like being able to reply to posts and trip reports throughout the day, and I like not having to log in to the group site to see them. I haven't visited the group site in at least six months, and I have no intention of doing so in the near future. The bottom line here (as I see it anyway) is that some people aren't in love with the multiple news stories posted to the group, and both of them offered good suggestions for improving the list. Can we at least consider them before getting carried away? -Nate > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Aug 16 10:43:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23506 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 17:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 17:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.224) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 17:43:57 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so1767809wri.15 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.63.12 with SMTP id l12mr1284033aga.50.1218908634133; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.1 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808161043r65cdb002o86cf8626cb3a5493@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:43:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0808152356u7d127ccay657a0223b87defd0@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=f6S1nomwbNed6VIYJu49zTpaOa9LKkodRh8eiOXl1BFAfRc X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska it seems like you're taking our messages the wrong way. Im happy to have the news back, but was just agreeing with a different way to have that news delivered. And the group site idea is even less helpful for those of us with monitored internet acess who read the list through our pdas. But hey, no big deal, it was just a sugestion. On 8/16/08, Alan wrote: > Talk about an old hashed & re-hashed topic. > > Just in case you didn't already know, I've been modifying the > Headlines to be more informative, so that anyone reading the headline > can make a decision to read them or not. > > Also, I'm trying to keep it down to 3-5 articles a day, unless it's > just too juicy! Some days there just isn't that much news to report, > and those days are even lighter. > > Of course, why would anyone want these coming to their computer/pda as > e-mails to begin with is beyond me? It's not like the stuff on this > list is "Important" (like breaking news about war/weather/etc). > > Instead, many of us actually go to the Group site, log-in, and read it > there! (I only visit this site once a day.) Gosh! No fuss, no extra > e-mail cluttering up the place, and I get to read what I want! (Who > would have thought of something so easy?) > > One Solution: If you don't want an e-mail version of this Group Site > (which is redundant in my opinion), all you need to do is click on > "Edit Membership" (in the upper left-hand of the site page), then look > for "Step 2. Message Delivery", there you can change it to "Special > Notice" or "Web Only". Voila! No more pesky e-mails! > > Funny, no one from the Disneyland Talk site complains. Hmmm? > > -Alan > > P.S. And on a personal note: I haven't been posting for at least a > month, and as soon as I get back, I get b!+c#&d at (AGAIN) right out > of the gate. > > From lance@screamscape.com Sat Aug 16 10:59:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82267 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 17:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 17:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 17:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1BE6C074F for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:59:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 X-Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm22.48a372b5.6ff04 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:59:18 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIpxV2DNZyBQIAAAAB,74f337c9afc20c027cee6ef2393f09be Message-ID: To: References: <6ab4641f0808152356u7d127ccay657a0223b87defd0@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0808161043r65cdb002o86cf8626cb3a5493@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0808161043r65cdb002o86cf8626cb3a5493@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:59:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=7FXFPZEZldAA_v-t-yNosuELmvFXvKjGcDKnSj1vdHgAgN-IqMRYY7Tz6w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Of course, why would anyone want these coming to their computer/pda as > e-mails to begin with is beyond me? It's not like the stuff on this > list is "Important" (like breaking news about war/weather/etc). > Instead, many of us actually go to the Group site, log-in, and read it > there! (I only visit this site once a day.) Gosh! No fuss, no extra > e-mail cluttering up the place, and I get to read what I want! (Who > would have thought of something so easy?) Do most people really bother to log in and read this stuff online? As someone who can't stand Forum style groups online, I love the fact that I can get everything I need or might want fed to me through my e-mail, which to me is a must faster way of dealing with things. If I see a topic I'm not interested in, it's as easy as extending my pinky finger over to the delete button to make it go away in a flash. Otherwise, I love having it all in e-mail form and couldn't even imagine that people bother going through the lengthy hassle of dealing with everything on the group site. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Aug 16 17:39:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20635 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 00:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 00:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 00:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301183C598B for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:39:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 X-Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm101.48a3732c.14415c for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:39:22 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIp3M6/zp/6AIAAAAB,b66540076202e657373790df62b28ab3 Message-ID: To: References: <76e1ec0a0808152300x2fb52abfr375e2bd3bdf6779e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808152300x2fb52abfr375e2bd3bdf6779e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:39:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=GKcUXn7_OmqZ72PoyD_FSqmdSZhYcKCF-cTFrkC35fGNgSnclFd-lymSSg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>From: Josh W I have nothing against getting news in my inbox, but it also comes to my phone and when it's buzzing and beeping 600,000 times in the middle of the night with news from RCT, it's getting a little on the old side.<< I hate to say it, but that's what you get for putting it on your phone and not turning it off at night. ;-) I would say, keep the e-mails on the PC and use the phone to check the online version when you need to. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Aug 16 18:32:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26861 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 01:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 01:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.239) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 01:32:51 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2124628rvb.11 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:32:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.56.1 with SMTP id e1mr3945008waa.69.1218936771354; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap6.p4.sca.7sys.net ( [66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g25sm7066701wag.4.2008.08.16.18.32.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48a77fc2.1921720a.425c.ffff95c2@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=bROpxc7ldwwgB85EHMSBPsxVImVE8rXV_oT2YM90iqHqUG5q-g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Well, being that my pda is my alarm clock, and my home phone, turning it off isn't practical or I might do it. :) I also like stayin in touch by email while I can't access my pc. In fact, I am writing this while getting a tattoo. :) --- Original Message --- From:"Lance" Sent:Sat 8/16/08 8:39 pm To: Subj:Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS >>From: Josh W I have nothing against getting news in my inbox, but it also comes to my phone and when it's buzzing and beeping 600,000 times in the middle of the night with news from RCT, it's getting a little on the old side.<< I hate to say it, but that's what you get for putting it on your phone and not turning it off at night. ;-) I would say, keep the e-mails on the PC and use the phone to check the online version when you need to. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Aug 16 19:59:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50984 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 02:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 02:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:59:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16458 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 02:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 17 Aug 2008 02:59:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <48a77fc2.1921720a.425c.ffff95c2@mx.google.com> References: <48a77fc2.1921720a.425c.ffff95c2@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <972CBDD3-7CC0-490C-9844-449B73AFDB9E@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:58:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JH_bsB1zmRLshUdINbEC-h7szYZu0rcF4DbmjoAtH1O4QOGn X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > In fact, I am writing this while getting a tattoo. :) Oh, that's awesome! I mean, how often is someone able to say that?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From lance@screamscape.com Sat Aug 16 20:43:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4290 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 03:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 03:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 03:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0094A6739A2 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.48a37325.bf1e5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:43:21 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIp55ZxIKPywIAAAAB,e845a6eea821de4c0021f4f9d25b112e Message-ID: To: References: <48a77fc2.1921720a.425c.ffff95c2@mx.google.com> <972CBDD3-7CC0-490C-9844-449B73AFDB9E@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <972CBDD3-7CC0-490C-9844-449B73AFDB9E@buzzneon.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:43:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ucNlBuELq2uWDSJNCvvF_SYx4HEFZyx1RB47q4OcFbZRH8_vZRZ4JhJN3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too bad pictures aren't allowed... he could have sent us a picture of it being done too. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Cameron Silver To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS > In fact, I am writing this while getting a tattoo. :) Oh, that's awesome! I mean, how often is someone able to say that?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Aug 17 00:45:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94364 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 07:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 07:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.179) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 07:45:43 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m28so1146617wag.8 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.168.1 with SMTP id q1mr4067839wae.72.1218959142878; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap6.p4.sca.7sys.net ( [66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l37sm7314728waf.23.2008.08.17.00.45.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48a7d725.25bc720a.73ce.ffffd2bb@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=lDqVfQmbyda0Ez1qt-aaN2MrXW9WdSAKIZMw7QUg6PE5VneLGw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Aw, its nothing too special. Just the 1982 EPCOT center logo. I love it because it has a lot of meaning to me (epcot is my favorite place ever), but to most people it just looks like a small design. The best part, it was my first one and it really didn't hurt at all. So painless I was able to send an email in the middle of it. :) --- Original Message --- From:"Lance" Sent:Sat 8/16/08 11:43 pm To: Subj:Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS Too bad pictures aren't allowed... he could have sent us a picture of it being done too. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Cameron Silver To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Opinion: NEWS > In fact, I am writing this while getting a tattoo. :) Oh, that's awesome! I mean, how often is someone able to say that?! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 23:04:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11401 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 06:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 06:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 06:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 06:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 06:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 06:04:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <604298.3058.qm@web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.44.186 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=l1E-CvQ3kFRkZWL3JpX4gJxEuUuMzpVpfwWTE1qWLe4D3nkS9w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I didn't ride on either, but I got to work at 3: Raging Bull, Whizzer=20 and American Eagle. I even climbed Whizzer's lift hill to host a=20 train on Saturday! Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Gallagher=20 wrote: > > ...and for the second year in a row, I find out it's National=20 Roller Coaster Day on THAT DAY..too late to plan a ride! > =A0 > Mike >=20 > National Roller Coaster Day >=20 > =A0 >=20 > Date: > =A0 > Saturday August 16, 2008 >=20 > Time: > =A0 > All Day=20 >=20 > Repeats: > =A0 > This event repeats every year. >=20 > Notes: > =A0 > Celebrate the day the roller coaster was patented in 1898. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 18 05:54:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66124 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 12:54:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 12:54:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 12:54:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 200 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 12:54:07 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Aug 2008 12:54:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:53:57 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=cP6AnpYAqGwx17xkRfkEMIolsCRGuJhjiFRn1B1KgmhS38y0 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I think you're being a bit harsh, and taking the whole "six flags sucks" cliche a little far. The promotion is great, and really sets the Flags apart from the other chains. They are a thrill ride company, and this expands on that. It's something that is likely very inexpensive for them to do, and brings in a lot of media attention (SFGAm was on several news programs last October..). Cameron. On Aug 16, 2008, at 1:17 AM, Mike Filippone wrote: > To me it seems sort of stupid in general, but as a promotion I don't > think it's very effective at getting people to give more money to Six > Flags. Lets look: > > The good: > - several people may be entertained > - several people may get front of the line passes and free tshirts > > The bad: > - it's not something that brings more people into the park > - it's not something you would advertise on TV for > - some people may get all peta-ish and not like the idea of people > eating live cockroaches > - are people eating cockroaches really an image you want associated > with your amusement park? > - it costs money to organize the event, import cockroaches, etc > - people won't buy anything as a result of watching this event, if > anything it's less time spent in the shops > > Really the only way that this would generate income for the park is > through viral advertising -- if people go back to the office and > talked about how they saw people eating cockroaches at Six Flags. > Then of course, for it to be effective, that person would have to > actually visit the park, which I doubt would happen. > > A more effective campaign would be just to give everyone who enters > the gate a bag of free halloween candy, or give everyone a nice Six > Flags bag, and have trick or treat places throughout the park. If > they bought candy in bulk it'd be cheap, and they could probably get a > sponsor or partnership deal with Hershey or Nestle or something, to > reduce the cost of the promo. Even though its a small event, it's > something they could advertise on TV. > > Besides that, it would probably generate way more positive word of > mouth, especially with parents with kids. There is also more > opportunity for generating additional revenue with things like making > custom tshirts and sweatshirts, especially aimed at kids, that were > like "i trick or treated at six flags fright fest". Plus if you eat > chocolate you get thirsty, so people would spend more money on food > and drinks. > > Mike > > > On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:46 AM, Josh W wrote: > >> I'm with Cameron. I thought it was a pretty awesome 'promotion'. As >> a fan of >> Halloween and horror films and effects etc, I think it's a decent >> idea. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Cameron Silver >> wrote: >> >>> >>>> I think the only real downside to this story is that the people who >>>> approved this as a promo were never punched in the face for it. >>> >>> What's so bad about it? >>> >>> -- >>> Cameron Silver: ** You're older than * ,_~o >>> cameron@buzzneon.com ** you've ever >>> been... * / >>> //\ >>> **************************************************************** >>> \>> | >>> I'd rather be Skiing. * \, >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ >> RollerCoasterTalk >> bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. >> >> Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the >> word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! >> Groups Links >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Think about it * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Think about it * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From lance@screamscape.com Mon Aug 18 06:23:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52285 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 13:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 13:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 13:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from dm0001.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76336C25FA for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:22:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.48a37285.11c264 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:21:26 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIqXdWX7mTLQIAAAAB,8f26ece5f7abe62363ef4097cfe06e67 Message-ID: To: References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:21:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=25E8CmVOsjrxv_kFC2SmtXsQX_2OTA58JpI-lYtR7LywbBMKXTwybq3B8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > The bad: > - it's not something you would advertise on TV for > - some people may get all peta-ish and not like the idea of people > eating live cockroaches > - are people eating cockroaches really an image you want associated > with your amusement park? Did we forget about Fear Factor? How many times over the last few years have we all probably been switching through the TV channels to come across one of the contestants on Fear Factor, or Survivor or whatever reality show being asked to eat these same live cockroaches, large grubs... or often things even more gruesome. (I seem to recall a Vegas episode of Fear Factor where they were eating these live giant cave spider things that look like something out of a nightmare that were crawing around on a craps or roulette table.) The problem with the PETA article also is they made it sound like they were the ones to convince Six Flags to stop the promotion when in fact Six Flags did it in 2007 AND 2006 as I recall... so it was obviously successful enough in 2006 that they went back to the well for another helping in 2007. After two years, they probably figured it was time to do something different and I seriously doubt PETAs complaints had a thing to do with it since they didn't heed them at all in 2006 or 2007. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 07:29:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30904 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 14:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 14:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 14:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 14:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 14:28:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:28:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48a7d725.25bc720a.73ce.ffffd2bb@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.10.126 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=290z38eDDHBEAKoPTG2wveGl33r9YWDv5G7sdIAfgtVZrKV3CTPP X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, josh.wozny@... wrote: I love it because it has a lot of meaning to me (epcot is my favorite=20 place ever),=20 To quote Homer Simpson... "aaaaaaawwwww... it's even boring to *fly* over..." Epcot? Really? I like Test Track, but even walking through the back=20 half of the park was a complete waste of time. (Cuz we couldn't Drink=20 Around the World with our son.) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 07:44:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1900 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 14:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 14:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 14:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 14:44:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 14:44:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 14:44:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:44:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=EkOMhf9EtLWHdQ6iOJTSB9Jo2cPOACncp-Gkay5J24f3R1k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I may be a bit sensitive on the subject, but as I mentioned this is a very old, and frequently rehashed subject. Of which several suggestions have been brought into play. Of course Dear Nate, Michael, Lance, etc. I don't hear you complaining about obviously Off-Topic conversations such as tatoos, and the multiple e-mails that it had generated. - Alan (aka grouchy old man) From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 07:53:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87712 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 14:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 14:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 14:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 14:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 14:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 14:52:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:52:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Proposed Georgia theme park in middle of debt dispute X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1c-dkTpGsXzlGe6ShuiFOgsC6jVqgMxd8zeXOAyLNPNs6Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 15, 2008 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2008/08/15/theme_p= ark_debt.html?cxtype=3Drss&cxsvc=3D7&cxcat=3D13 By Paul Donsky LITHONIA, GA -- A construction company that helped prepare a site in south DeKalb County for a proposed theme park says they are owed money and they want a judge to reopen a bankruptcy case against the developers. Atlanta-based RACT Inc., says they are owed more than $4 million and that the developers failed to notify the bankruptcy court about that debt. The developers, now known as Top Flight Development Group, filed for bankruptcy in 2006 after defaulting on a $6.3 million loan to purchase the 31-acre site off I-20 near the Mall at Stonecrest. Top Flight officials have disputed the construction company's claims, saying they have paid for all the work done on the site. A hearing is scheduled for Sept. 9 in federal bankruptcy court in Atlanta. Developers say the proposed park, the Grand Empire Palace and Resort, would have a theme based on the Seven Wonders of the World and include an amusement park, hotel conference center, indoor water park, restaurants and shops. The developers have said the project could cost $675 million =97 and that's before they announced the purchase of an adjacent parcel for a planned 2nd phase that would include a 9-hole golf course, housing and an indoor theme park. Top Flight officials secured a loan to buy the 2nd parcel but have yet to find funding for the overall project. No actual construction has begun on the proposed park. -------------- Copyright=A9 2008 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution From voicerodeo@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 08:00:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35586 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 15:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 15:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.191) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 15:00:15 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m61so254372rnd.8 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr2083685wfb.173.1219071615314; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from LewisMobile ( [72.58.170.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm4677551wfa.2.2008.08.18.08.00.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00fd01c90143$1281e8b0$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:58:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=ekEWPcYZzl1hA9Xvu6XE2fkM0MoAnDXH7NFtgX4I43skg0FEUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the answer is pretty simple.. this is a mail group about coasters and parks.... Alan sends out mail and news items about coasters and parks... if you dont want to read the email, delete it. If you dont want 100 emails a day, switch to digest. If you dont want your emails going to your cellphone, that is a personal issue that has nothing to do with the list... you can either turn it off.. .or unsubscribe. It is not that difficult of an issue.. .and it has nothing to do with the list or the people on list.... it is a personal choice that you as an individual need to make with regards to how you as an individual wish to recieve (or not receive) your emails from the group. If you dont want to receive 100's of emails (on your pc or your phone), you can switch to the digest or read the emails online on the yahoogroups website. I dont think any of the rest of the group really care how you get your emails or what your issues are with your emails. We just want to hear about news and info about coasters.... which is why we joined. or am I over simplifying this? Sorry.. but I get real tired of bitchy emails on mail groups.. if you like the subject and what you are getting from the group.. WONDERFUL.. if you dont, then unsubscribe.. but there is no reason to bitch about it.. it serves no purpose other than to irritate people and provides even MORE emails in peoples mailboxes (or cellphones) to delete (like this one will be). Okay, off my soapbox... Alan... keep those news items coming.. I love reading them and appreciate all that you do for the group. Lewis PS.. being a tattoo admirer... and an Epcot lover (great park.. to me one of the greatest Disney parks ever built)... please feel free to email a pic of the tat.. would love to see it (since to me, that is near on-topic since it deals with a park.. although not necessarily a coaster). ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:44 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS I may be a bit sensitive on the subject, but as I mentioned this is a very old, and frequently rehashed subject. Of which several suggestions have been brought into play. Of course Dear Nate, Michael, Lance, etc. I don't hear you complaining about obviously Off-Topic conversations such as tatoos, and the multiple e-mails that it had generated. - Alan (aka grouchy old man) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 08:04:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1818 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 15:04:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 15:04:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 15:04:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 15:04:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 15:04:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 15:04:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:04:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Busch Gardens exhibit encourages wildlife gardening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=tK05ChmmvzL9d3sfGSLaCTxiQoaYJEBJlz_oEcI9kPPJ30E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 17, 2008 Daily Times Cape Cod Times http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080817/LIFE/808= 04023 By KATHY VAN MULLEKOM WILLIAMSBURG, VA -- A young bunny munching on grass is barely aware of the audience he attracts while he eats lunch. Bees buzz everywhere. A butterfly lands on a flower to sit and sip a while. It's yet another day in the new Habitat Garden at Busch Gardens (BG) in Williamsburg, VA, and designer Denise Greene is happy with what she sees. The 15,000-sq-ft area, built in partnership with the National Wildlife Federation, is a teaching garden that helps theme park visitors learn about beneficial plants for beneficial wildlife. More than 90 different types of plants, mostly native species, are showcased for their ability to work with Mother Nature. "This is a great way to be a part of nature rather than fight against it," says Denise, a Gloucester, VA,-based landscape designer who encourages homeowners to create wildlife-plant habitats in their yards. "As we learn about wildlife, we learn to appreciate what a huge impact we humans are having on the rest of the creatures on this planet. We are the only hope they have." A member of the John Clayton Chapter, Virginia Native Plant Society, Denise has long championed the use of native plants in everyday landscapes and she's made sure the habitat at BG is built on that concept. For more on this article visit: http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080817/LIFE/808= 04023 ------------ =A9 2008 Cape Cod Media Group, a division of Ottaway Newspapers, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 08:08:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60314 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 15:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 15:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 15:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 15:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 15:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 15:08:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:08:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: UAE investment in theme parks to surpass $62bn by 2012 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mpuDcasrBppHaMnNl6DiXgGzEXxCr8rIMXzKuT_eEWFguSg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 18, 2008 AME Info http://www.ameinfo.com/166380.html UAE -- The UAE with its dramatic pace of development is all set to dazzle the world with over 30 multi-faceted entertainment resorts and theme parks being built until 2012 with a projected investment of $62bn according to CMPi UAE organizers of Middle East Attractions, Amusements, Parks, Leisure and Entertainment International Trade Exhibition (MEAAPLE). CMPi UAE announced the launch MEAAPLE that is scheduled to take place on February 2-4 at the Abu Dhabi National Exhibition Centre (ADNEC) to target this growing market. Prominent theme parks currently under development in Abu Dhabi & Dubai include Warner Bros and Ferrari theme parks in the capital and Dubailand, a multi-billion dollar enclave of 24 theme parks, 4.5 times the size of Manhattan, which will be the Middle East's answer to Disneyworld. There will be Universal Studios' Universal City and a Marvel Entertainment theme park among others. "The UAE has shown a vision for global entertainment and multi-faceted theme parks along with their long-range potential for financial gain in an insatiable entertainment and travel market," said Paul Grinnall, Show Director. "With so much activity under way, there is an abundance of business opportunities and MEAAPLE has been created to enable international and local companies to develop contacts and deliver business in this key growth market," Grinnall added. MEAAPLE is a unique international trade event dedicated to the development, operation, management and maintenance of amusements, attractions, theme parks, tourism and resort developments, and leisure and entertainment facilities across the Middle East. MEAAPLE offers the opportunity to influence, network, educate and build relationships with major developers, investors, retailers, senior decision makers, operators, manufacturers and suppliers in the Middle East. MEAAPLE will provide a unique platform to further enhance and support the vision for attractions, amusements, theme parks, tourism and resort developments, and leisure and entertainment growth in the Middle East. There is demand from a wide spectrum of facilities including Culture & Arts, Heritage Villages, Theme Parks, Hotels & Resorts, Recreational & Leisure Parks, Retail & Shopping Malls and Cinemas & Multiplexes, Water Parks, Amusement Parks, Zoos & Wildlife Parks, Golf Courses, Family Entertainment Centres, Museums & Science Centres, Aquariums, Sports & Spa Clubs, Health & Fitness Clubs, Equestrian & Polo Clubs. --------------- =A9 1996 - 2008 AME Info FZ LLC / Emap Limited From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 08:12:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62687 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 15:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 15:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f11.google.com) (209.85.217.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 15:12:23 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f11.google.com with SMTP id 4so3717377gxk.22 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:12:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.103.11 with SMTP id f11mr9865675ybm.190.1219072343261; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:12:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0808180812k7a2dcae4m24c359de7d0405f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:12:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00fd01c90143$1281e8b0$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00fd01c90143$1281e8b0$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=cofFLnlO4bC5ocVytDLaN_Sn8fl-_84v7bxJM27xuDwvkPA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I think the answer is pretty simple.. this is a mail group about coasters and parks.... Alan sends out mail and news items about coasters and parks... if you dont want to read the email, delete it. If you dont want 100 emails a day, switch to digest." To play devil's advocate, this is a discussion group about coasters and parks, not a news service. If you want coaster/parks news you can subscribe to the daily mailers from IAAPA or ITPS, which send out essentially the same stories Alan (and others do), just in one email per-day. Veega Land's biggest fan, Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Mon Aug 18 09:00:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96068 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 16:00:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 16:00:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0107.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 16:00:53 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0107.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75124E312B6 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 X-Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm101.48a3732c.1e7448 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:00:49 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIqZyxSLusWwIAAAAB,2b85df6514c988071a2178c30de51c36 Message-ID: <2C3FECB1FC5E490DAE4CF353D8DE671F@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:01:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=eNKoN8A5yEwTK7olaQfUk3PDdJ5TXysZ7oW9Fn2fBYH7Qcai7aP1OYVAPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, josh.wozny@... wrote: I love it because it has a lot of meaning to me (epcot is my favorite place ever), Epcot? Really? I like Test Track, but even walking through the back half of the park was a complete waste of time. ---- Epcot is a strange animal. I've got to admit that while I like Test Track and Soarin' I do miss the Epcot of 1990. Back when they still had all of their really LONG Dark Rides... World of Motion, the origional Journey To Imagination and especially Horizons. Back when simulators were still the new cool ride concept and Body Wars still felt like a great ride and before Innoventions displaced CommiCore. Nothing has changed in the World Showcase since them, except for a couple of updated CircleVision films (Canada & China) otherwise it's still the same, but everything was all about Future World back then. ;-) From lance@screamscape.com Mon Aug 18 09:05:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81390 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 16:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 16:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 16:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851496C19F5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.48a37325.1153a2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:05:06 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIqZ2ysLC35AIAAAAB,befb96f62d5a8ac5c5e54e376f561ada Message-ID: To: References: <00fd01c90143$1281e8b0$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> <165816ef0808180812k7a2dcae4m24c359de7d0405f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0808180812k7a2dcae4m24c359de7d0405f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:05:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=eD-PJKF-axk7LzV5y-ScGPKo_lXKQmckcJlbw4tl7H__cx7b6hFK6YRVeA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>To play devil's advocate, this is a discussion group about coasters and parks, not a news service. If you want coaster/parks news you can subscribe to the daily mailers from IAAPA or ITPS, which send out essentially the same stories Alan (and others do), just in one email per-day.<< I like the news stories myself, though often they are the same news stories that I get sent to me through various news feed sources. But I had not heard about the IAAPA or ITPS mailers. Can you send me more details on those? More News is better than no news in my opinion. From voicerodeo@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 09:36:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85474 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 16:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 16:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 16:36:52 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2079163wfc.22 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.36.15 with SMTP id o15mr2127439wfj.36.1219077412465; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from LewisMobile ( [72.58.170.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm4831049wfg.9.2008.08.18.09.36.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <018301c90150$940fba80$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> To: References: <00fd01c90143$1281e8b0$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> <165816ef0808180812k7a2dcae4m24c359de7d0405f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:32:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=uyOURzEpbWUfjVKdEfNI_t8IZF-qzl8bdLyBIUUUQX8Tkcs0GQ X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in my case this is the only location I get news stories... so I appreciate receiving them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS >>To play devil's advocate, this is a discussion group about coasters and parks, not a news service. If you want coaster/parks news you can subscribe to the daily mailers from IAAPA or ITPS, which send out essentially the same stories Alan (and others do), just in one email per-day.<< I like the news stories myself, though often they are the same news stories that I get sent to me through various news feed sources. But I had not heard about the IAAPA or ITPS mailers. Can you send me more details on those? More News is better than no news in my opinion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 18 09:38:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96358 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 16:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 16:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 16:38:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17181 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 16:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Aug 2008 16:38:21 -0000 Message-ID: <48A9A56B.7030202@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:38:03 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <00fd01c90143$1281e8b0$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> <165816ef0808180812k7a2dcae4m24c359de7d0405f6@mail.gmail.com> <018301c90150$940fba80$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> In-Reply-To: <018301c90150$940fba80$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=nz_wx5j9TzXeC8XAEzYY4Zo_mal2P17HNaMvWmMAYJxngvQB X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > in my case this is the only location I get news stories... so I appreciate receiving them. As do I. Cameron. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 10:09:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27464 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 17:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 17:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 17:09:31 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so1683528pyb.10 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.145.11 with SMTP id x11mr3432794rvn.215.1219079367760; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.212.12 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:09:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0808180812k7a2dcae4m24c359de7d0405f6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00fd01c90143$1281e8b0$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> <165816ef0808180812k7a2dcae4m24c359de7d0405f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=1m9rLk6ZnAjxzjpJkEyjBiu8DkOQLAIeDe6Is-7vhqmm6rtpS0ls6Xs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > To play devil's advocate, this is a discussion group about coasters and > parks, not a news service. If you want coaster/parks news you can subscribe > to the daily mailers from IAAPA or ITPS, which send out essentially the same > stories Alan (and others do), just in one email per-day. Agreed. This is a discussion group first and foremost. For me, it comes down to what is worth posting and what isn't (and I realize that's completely subjective, but stay with me for a moment). Some news topics are simply more likely to stir discussion than others. For instance, I think Kings Islands' announcement of Diamondback is very worth posting here. On the other hand, some obscure FEC opening in Malaysia or Taiwan probably isn't going to get much of a response. I fully admit this has gotten much better, but I think that's where the major complaint stems from. If you'll take a moment to notice, those "complaining" (if you want to call it that...and I don't) are people who have been on the list for a very long time. Most of the people making suggestions for better news delivery have not only been here since the beginning of RCTalk, but were on Coaster-Talk way before that. One would think that should count for something with regards to making suggestions for improving the list (rather than just countering with "if you don't like it, you should unsubscribe"). Finally, NOBODY is suggesting getting rid of the news posts completely. Both Josh and Mike simply suggested combining the posts into one single, daily news post. Why is that such a controversial suggestion? -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 18 15:54:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5080 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 22:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KVDcM-0006Vk-VM for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:54:31 -0400 Message-ID: <48A9FDA5.1060206@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:54:29 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <00fd01c90143$1281e8b0$1baa3a48@LewisMobile> <165816ef0808180812k7a2dcae4m24c359de7d0405f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9c0eef0b2cd429189e09c390e6a834df46563f77e9b049e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=gYUDyppNKYA2GMfbGLwV9VqL1d7tT74uiadp81SlVtSdTgY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Been watching the conversation, and it's been interesting. But I figured it's time to finally weigh in... Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Finally, NOBODY is suggesting getting rid of the news posts > completely. Both Josh and Mike simply suggested combining the posts > into one single, daily news post. Why is that such a controversial > suggestion? > Here's my take and opinions on it: 1. Alan already takes a lot of time to find the articles, summarize them, post them and do the work- time that I very much appreciate. Someone else already mentioned this is their main source of coaster news. For me it's one of a few but he still manages to pull articles I don't see other places. 2. While I understand why some might want it compiled, that's essentially asking someone who is already doing extra work to provide a service to do more work. Frankly I'm grateful for work that anyone does on a volunteer basis. While it might not be intended, when you make a post to the list, as opposed to personally, suggesting something like that it can easily be taken as a public slam saying that their work isn't good enough. I know that wasn't what was intended, and it can be tough to make any sort of suggestion, but it can be taken that way even though it wasn't intended. 3. If it came out as a news compilation that would then make it more difficult to generate discussion about any one of the topics. I do realize that most of the topics don't get discussed. But for that occasional time when 2 or 3 of them are it could be confusing in a discussion as to which it was the way people forget to adjust the subject line. 4. While I understand why some like to get the emails sent to the their PDA or other device, the choice to do so is yours. Everyone here knows how many emails are sent out through the list, and how the news articles work. If you don't want constant emails from the list, you can choose to get the digest. If you choose to not get the digest, then you choose to get all the individual emails, including individual news articles. If you choose to send that to your pda, phone, blackberry, etc., you know it's going to go off multiple times with emails from the list. That's your choice. Me personally, I'd be a bit ticked off if someone told me not to email the list so much because they didn't want to get so many emails. Again, I know you don't mean it that way, but that's how it comes across. You've made your choice, knowing how it works, you get to deal with the consequences. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's how it works. I hope that clears things up. You're welcome to keep discussing, but that's my take and where I stand at this point. :) keep on ridin' George (who absolutely loves Epcot- it's still my favorite park. But then I love the world showcase. It's heresy, but it's now always about the rides) From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Aug 18 15:57:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1527 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 22:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KVDff-0001ir-6j for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:57:55 -0400 Message-ID: <48A9FE71.3020709@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:57:53 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <299121.33042.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <299121.33042.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9c0eef0b2cd42910664533b2c99a38053328867e5f729d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NitroH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=XSTLbjDlBmWK4Y9OLDbqql4URj0Hq1V5CD3gc-R-_hd_l4U X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jay Ducharme wrote: > > > > I'm riding Apollo's Chariot next week, so perhaps my opinion will > change then. < > > Probably not. :-) I love AC, but I'm not a "normal" coaster enthusiast. > I agree with others who have said that Raging Bull is a big yawn. It > sure looked impressive. It was fast. But it really didn't do much. It > was my first B&M hyper, and I loved the comfortable trains. I am completely agreed with you Jay. I loved AC, and got in several rerides when I was at the park. And I still stand by my assertion on RB that it's a family hyper coaster. It's the difference between a great, fun coaster and one that's good, but not what I would call great. > > Since then I've also ridden Nitro, which had a surprising amount of kick > to it. I couldn't ride it successively, whereas AC I could stay on all > day. I love the changes of direction on both AC and Nitro, but I think > the turns on AC are more effective, especially from the front seat. You > can't see them coming. And the bunny hops back to the station are a blast. > All this talk makes me want to get up to ride Nitro at some point. I want to know what I'm missing. :) keep on ridin' George From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Aug 18 16:24:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36443 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 23:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 23:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-188.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:24:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3818 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 23:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KVE5a-0002iS-5W for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:24:42 -0600 Message-Id: <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:24:45 -0400 References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=uhqGKvWpkTwQ6OiMcdfmsfHCqa4bgJwk5dFWwgghX44Nx9R_2yoI X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > I think you're being a bit harsh, and taking the whole "six flags > sucks" cliche a little far. The promotion is great, and really sets > the Flags apart from the other chains. They are a thrill ride > company, and this expands on that. It's something that is likely very > inexpensive for them to do, and brings in a lot of media attention > (SFGAm was on several news programs last October..). I'm not saying Six Flags sucks, I'm saying that the promotion was not a good promotion. "Any publicity is good publicity" aside, I wonder how much revenue this promotion actually generated for the parks. My guess is not much, if they even broke even (especially when you take the time the employees spent on it). It just seems very gimmicky... "we should gross some people out... that will surely bring in the cash and make everyone have a more enjoyable day at the park!!!" >> The bad: >> - it's not something you would advertise on TV for >> - some people may get all peta-ish and not like the idea of people >> eating live cockroaches >> - are people eating cockroaches really an image you want associated >> with your amusement park? > > > Did we forget about Fear Factor? How many times over the last few > years have > we all probably been switching through the TV channels to come > across one of > the > contestants on Fear Factor, or Survivor or whatever reality show > being asked > to > eat these same live cockroaches, large grubs... or often things even > more > gruesome. > (I seem to recall a Vegas episode of Fear Factor where they were > eating > these live > giant cave spider things that look like something out of a nightmare > that > were crawing > around on a craps or roulette table.) But that's sort of the one argument that I was making... is Fear Factor really an image you want associated with your park? Especially if you're trying to appeal to families, which Mark Shapiro at one point said they wanted to do. Also, I think that part of Fear Factor generated some controversy from the same groups. And even if that wasn't the case, I bet half the people who walked by this at the park said "wow thats pretty stupid". But anyways, not trying to be an ass about it, just trying to say that I don't think it's a very good promotion... it can potentially generate controversy, and it doesn't make much money for Six Flags... which is probably the reason they cancelled it. I mean, this is Halloween... one of the most commercialized holidays. If the people who think up these ideas can't think of 50 better promotions that generate way more revenue and don't generate controversy, then the higher ups really need to bring in different people to handle these things. Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 16:59:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10725 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 23:59:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 23:59:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.174) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:59:24 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so2453719wfd.19 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.158.17 with SMTP id g17mr2274591wfe.212.1219103964251; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808181659p536d3e88s7a2d0efd79a50be3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:59:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48A9FE71.3020709@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <299121.33042.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48A9FE71.3020709@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NitroH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Ep2P0mive4xpR2nV_wtQXzUxdPuMGTkHuU66gEUtEFe8_j_Gbg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not a whole lot, really. I prefer AC to Nitro any day of the week. > > > All this talk makes me want to get up to ride Nitro at some point. I > want to know what I'm missing. :) > > keep on ridin' > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 17:07:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35803 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 00:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.168) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:07:18 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2960295wfa.0 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.43.7 with SMTP id v7mr2277534wfj.234.1219104438067; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808181707g691a0919nde10125a20213b85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:07:17 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=5EIylX3hBAsMWoOX2oOgIsLgh_3yRQBi2FVVxp8jMs5nq63GCw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The mere fact that we're still discussing it, and you are bringing up the idea behind the controversy and that you could think of 50 better things, etc... Means that it did exactly what it was supposed to do for them. To quote a very famous actor, in a pretty good movie based on an excelleny classic dark ride: [you are without a doubt the worst pirate I've ever heard of] "But you HAVE heard of me...." Negative publicity is still publicity, any way you slice it. Josh On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Mike Filippone < ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com> wrote: > > I think you're being a bit harsh, and taking the whole "six flags > > sucks" cliche a little far. The promotion is great, and really sets > > the Flags apart from the other chains. They are a thrill ride > > company, and this expands on that. It's something that is likely very > > inexpensive for them to do, and brings in a lot of media attention > > (SFGAm was on several news programs last October..). > > I'm not saying Six Flags sucks, I'm saying that the promotion was not > a good promotion. "Any publicity is good publicity" aside, I wonder > how much revenue this promotion actually generated for the parks. My > guess is not much, if they even broke even (especially when you take > the time the employees spent on it). It just seems very gimmicky... > "we should gross some people out... that will surely bring in the cash > and make everyone have a more enjoyable day at the park!!!" > > >> The bad: > >> - it's not something you would advertise on TV for > >> - some people may get all peta-ish and not like the idea of people > >> eating live cockroaches > >> - are people eating cockroaches really an image you want associated > >> with your amusement park? > > > > > > Did we forget about Fear Factor? How many times over the last few > > years have > > we all probably been switching through the TV channels to come > > across one of > > the > > contestants on Fear Factor, or Survivor or whatever reality show > > being asked > > to > > eat these same live cockroaches, large grubs... or often things even > > more > > gruesome. > > (I seem to recall a Vegas episode of Fear Factor where they were > > eating > > these live > > giant cave spider things that look like something out of a nightmare > > that > > were crawing > > around on a craps or roulette table.) > > But that's sort of the one argument that I was making... is Fear > Factor really an image you want associated with your park? Especially > if you're trying to appeal to families, which Mark Shapiro at one > point said they wanted to do. Also, I think that part of Fear Factor > generated some controversy from the same groups. And even if that > wasn't the case, I bet half the people who walked by this at the park > said "wow thats pretty stupid". > > But anyways, not trying to be an ass about it, just trying to say that > I don't think it's a very good promotion... it can potentially > generate controversy, and it doesn't make much money for Six Flags... > which is probably the reason they cancelled it. I mean, this is > Halloween... one of the most commercialized holidays. If the people > who think up these ideas can't think of 50 better promotions that > generate way more revenue and don't generate controversy, then the > higher ups really need to bring in different people to handle these > things. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Aug 18 17:46:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25556 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 00:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-189.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:46:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20095 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 00:46:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:46:34 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KVFMo-0007g1-B8 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:46:34 -0600 Message-Id: <3B11BC43-8B9C-43E0-8917-AC3E37F323CD@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808181707g691a0919nde10125a20213b85@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:46:37 -0400 References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808181707g691a0919nde10125a20213b85@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=KWYLjEoIZHf_bSEucB9pcMqC7YLTk3LX9n2FBX94pcp-Swc2uDv1 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > The mere fact that we're still discussing it, and you are bringing > up the > idea behind the controversy and that you could think of 50 better > things, > etc... Means that it did exactly what it was supposed to do for them. > > To quote a very famous actor, in a pretty good movie based on an > excelleny > classic dark ride: [you are without a doubt the worst pirate I've > ever heard > of] "But you HAVE heard of me...." > > Negative publicity is still publicity, any way you slice it. People say that, but I think thats a flawed long term (and even short term) strategy. And besides, this is an amusement park. By your argument, every time someone is killed or seriously injured at an amusement park, attendance should go up. Perhaps SF should just remove the upstops on all their coasters... attendance would soar! But seriously, I think this was more an isolated case of someone not really thinking the cost/benefits of the promotion through. I would say they should be given another chance or fired, but that person may want to go with my original suggestion and be punched in the face. That way, they could use it to generate some more publicity, especially if they were punched hard enough that they needed reconstructive surgery (or maybe by someone high up, like the CEO? or maybe they could tie it in to stuff SF licenses, and have Wile E. Coyote finally succeed and drop an anvil on the person). Maybe they could even have a promotion where 1$ of every ticket sale goes to pay the medical bills. Mike From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 17:50:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33432 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 00:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:50:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:50:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48A9A56B.7030202@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.182.54 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=8Ti8klDpAbNg3hqf4WdTbMSuoCd3QSwkB7AywUs79Ko9qa2SgdGj X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > > in my case this is the only location I get news stories... so I=20 appreciate receiving them. >=20 > As do I. >=20 > Cameron. > Just wanna chime in real quick and voice the same opinion I did last=20 time this discussion took place. Alan did a good job after the last discussion of expanding the=20 headlines to include more information. I don't mind getting the e- mails at all, but I'll make my own decisions on what to open and read=20 or delete without a glance. And being the tech-phobe and as behind the times as I am, I don't=20 have a PDA or Blackberry or any kinda whatzit. And you know what I=20 use my cell phone for? Making phone calls. How's that for a radical=20 concept? Any coaster/park news I get, I get from here or another forum I'm=20 active on, friends, or newspaper articles...yes, they still exist,=20 and I will never stop buying newspapers until I no longer can. Stay the course, Alan. Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 17:57:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1140 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 00:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.233) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:57:11 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so2311790wra.19 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.63.15 with SMTP id l15mr8723232aga.79.1219107430342; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.102.19 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808181757k20f3a069if704c1beb892e1a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:57:10 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3B11BC43-8B9C-43E0-8917-AC3E37F323CD@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808181707g691a0919nde10125a20213b85@mail.gmail.com> <3B11BC43-8B9C-43E0-8917-AC3E37F323CD@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=QUPk5NmDfe79X7fGfMC35FakFFZoAeZMDzqBgyJZqMOxBnVhHg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<< People say that, but I think thats a flawed long term (and even short > term) strategy. And besides, this is an amusement park. By your > argument, every time someone is killed or seriously injured at an > amusement park, attendance should go up. Perhaps SF should just > remove the upstops on all their coasters... attendance would soar! >>> > Funny, in the 20's and 30's, the more people that died on a roller coaster, the more exciting it was for people, and the more eager they were to get out and ride it. People might talk a big game "hell no, that thing's not safe no way I'm going near it!" But, the greater the risk (perceived or otherwise), the greater the accomplishment seems when they finally conquer it. How's Holiday World doing on attendance? Great. how about SFKK? Fine. SFMM's Goliath? Disney World? People just don't stop going because accidents happen. It seems like human nature, but it's not. Josh > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 18:11:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23792 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 01:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 01:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.225) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:11:33 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so2728227wri.15 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:11:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr8729624agb.9.1219108289646; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:11:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.102.19 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808181811p22a518ffn58cb943ed154cced@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:11:29 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48A9A56B.7030202@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=RyaUhr26pu-APJRBSe2uja7NnhxhPmvpEBQ96NVKWKHirM-qwg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again, nothing wrong with big news items coming on their own, but one or two-liners and things about hot gossip, really can and should be combined. I've been on this list for over 13 years and I'm quite aware how it operates. I went to digest version for a while and it was kind of a PITA because posts and replies were out of order and it didn't make any sense. Kind of funny that out of nowhere, everyone's a white knight for an e-mail less cell phone and only using it to make calls or turning it off at night. Fact of the matter is, it's how I do things, and I like how I do things. I work in IT, so I'm naturally drawn to things of a technology-related level, as well as having to constantly be connected in case I'm needed for something at any given time. I made a suggestion that I thought was very much valid, and I stand by my original email. You can suggest that "the delete key is always available" but that still doesn't change the fact that I don't want to receive those messages in the first place. If all of the days little news items were combined on one "news digest", I might actually browse through it once in a while instead of ignoring them. Josh On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Mike Gallagher wrote: > > > in my case this is the only location I get news stories... so I > appreciate receiving them. > > > > As do I. > > > > Cameron. > > > Just wanna chime in real quick and voice the same opinion I did last > time this discussion took place. > > Alan did a good job after the last discussion of expanding the > headlines to include more information. I don't mind getting the e- > mails at all, but I'll make my own decisions on what to open and read > or delete without a glance. > > And being the tech-phobe and as behind the times as I am, I don't > have a PDA or Blackberry or any kinda whatzit. And you know what I > use my cell phone for? Making phone calls. How's that for a radical > concept? > Any coaster/park news I get, I get from here or another forum I'm > active on, friends, or newspaper articles...yes, they still exist, > and I will never stop buying newspapers until I no longer can. > > Stay the course, Alan. > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Aug 18 18:34:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22644 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 01:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 01:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nsmaster.badgerinternet.com) (207.170.26.132) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:34:25 -0000 X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by nsmaster.badgerinternet.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with SMTP id 776358 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:11:10 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 5268 invoked by uid 99); 19 Aug 2008 00:15:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20080819001520.5267.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 18 Aug 2008 19:15:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 76.204.102.123 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 207.170.26.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=BjBKZaW6sD9IJm7DJmhF7YmI7hkAsYJa4t7CqR30MT-YaMus X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 > > in my case this is the only location I get news stories... so I appreciate receiving them. > > As do I. > > Cameron. As do I. I would have never known about several issues regarding SFGAm if it has not been for the news releases forwarded via this list. Dave Rounds From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 19:42:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79776 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 02:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 02:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.234) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 02:42:39 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so2332560wra.22 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.68.20 with SMTP id q20mr8843858aga.110.1219113758184; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.102.19 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808181942v23a3a059y64559a788ba132a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:42:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080819001520.5267.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080819001520.5267.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=mRnEVIXNGKu2MCcuuPW4ZP_s2MqBINmx-XwHMiax62uG43nknQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again, I never said to stop sending news, I just asked that maybe the smaller, less significant stories be scaled back into a daily "coaster enquirer" email. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:15 PM, David R. Rounds wrote: > > > in my case this is the only location I get news stories... so I > appreciate receiving them. > > > > As do I. > > > > Cameron. > > As do I. > I would have never known about several issues regarding SFGAm if it > has not been for the news releases forwarded via this list. > > Dave Rounds > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 20:49:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72098 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 03:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 03:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 03:48:59 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so360684ana.16 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:48:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.210.9 with SMTP id i9mr200413ang.9.1219117738168; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:48:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30808182048n4c9b1714ue74a4fcb57890b62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:48:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808181942v23a3a059y64559a788ba132a0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080819001520.5267.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> <76e1ec0a0808181942v23a3a059y64559a788ba132a0@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=yZnlQNRXlv3nOzHTNbXN9FOADmhPX7mNBAZiwUX2ErLaL8YH X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons And I'll toss in the same suggestion I made when the Anniversary alerts discussion walked through last time. Email filters are your friends, ESPECIALLY, if you're having email routed to something like a PDA. All of the news stories are clearly subject-lined with the word News, And if you're getting emails from the group they contain [RollerCoasterTalk] so if you don't want News at all, filter it out. If you want to "hold it for later" when you're reading mail on a more robust system, filter it into a folder that doesn't get sent to your external device. If a zillion emails are waking you up in the middle of the night, I'd probably be setting the device to not pull new mail in the middle of the night. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Aug 18 20:55:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61493 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 03:55:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 03:55:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-190.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 03:55:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21557 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 03:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 03:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KVICx-0002rZ-QF for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:48:36 -0600 Message-Id: <0DEC3BF8-0F34-43E8-A16F-11CFA909CD9B@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808181757k20f3a069if704c1beb892e1a5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:48:39 -0400 References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808181707g691a0919nde10125a20213b85@mail.gmail.com> <3B11BC43-8B9C-43E0-8917-AC3E37F323CD@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808181757k20f3a069if704c1beb892e1a5@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=v4k3UlgbyVDjp4U8Zly7JmIBS4lGuXSm1itGbOIwQ_bY8qTGa3nv X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > <<< People say that, but I think thats a flawed long term (and even > short > >> term) strategy. And besides, this is an amusement park. By your >> argument, every time someone is killed or seriously injured at an >> amusement park, attendance should go up. Perhaps SF should just >> remove the upstops on all their coasters... attendance would soar! >> >>> >> > > Funny, in the 20's and 30's, the more people that died on a roller > coaster, > the more exciting it was for people, and the more eager they were to > get out > and ride it. People might talk a big game "hell no, that thing's not > safe no > way I'm going near it!" But, the greater the risk (perceived or > otherwise), > the greater the accomplishment seems when they finally conquer it. > > How's Holiday World doing on attendance? Great. how about SFKK? > Fine. SFMM's > Goliath? Disney World? People just don't stop going because accidents > happen. It seems like human nature, but it's not. I was (hopefully obviously) being a little sarcastic, but I was trying to imply that they should be using killing people at amusement parks to generate publicity. Either way I think we'll have to agree to disagree. If it was my amusement park, it's not a promo I would have authorized, since aside from not helping me to rake in cash, I think it's in bad taste. Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 18 21:06:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21743 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 04:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 04:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 04:06:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1553 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 04:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Aug 2008 04:06:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:06:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=HbXPTdqjpInsnAKB8CuHxYbvg_qFu5wx24ClV0DAASHCoeIP X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > the time the employees spent on it). It just seems very gimmicky... > "we should gross some people out... that will surely bring in the cash > and make everyone have a more enjoyable day at the park!!!" It's fright-fest .. that's the whole point! > But that's sort of the one argument that I was making... is Fear > Factor really an image you want associated with your park? Especially > if you're trying to appeal to families, which Mark Shapiro at one > point said they wanted to do. Have you ever spoken to an 11 year old? They *LOVE* gross! I have taken my friend's kid to SFGAm during Fright-Fest every year when he was 11-15, and he always had a blast. The freak-show, the characters, etc. Kids like being scared, and kids like being grossed out. When he first heard about the cockroaches a couple of years ago, he was jumping out of his skin to see them ... he had no interest in doing it, but just wanted to see. We stood there for over an hour watching people eat them, and he *loved* it - talked about it for months after. I should also point out that there was a huge crowd gathered to watch. I think last year they did "enter a coffin full of worms for 1 minute", and every news program in the area did a bit on it. If you have no interest in the promotion then fine, obviously .. but to claim it's a waste of time and money with no facts to back it up, seems a little silly :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Three, two, one * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** launch!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Aug 19 05:27:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60495 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 12:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 12:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 12:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 12:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 12:27:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:27:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=piKe2Ew5wJgC1t5asOTEcN_W0m0weqI_WRuBUC6k7KjqzsI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I like the news stories myself, though often they are the same news stories=20 > that > I get sent to me through various news feed sources. But I had not heard=20 > about > the IAAPA or ITPS mailers. Can you send me more details on those? > More News is better than no news in my opinion. I think the IAAPA one is for members-only (sign up after logging into the website) and you can sign up for the ITPS email by sending an email to Shawn at Shawn Haas shawnhaas@interthemepark.com . Adam From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 19 06:22:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6008 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 13:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 13:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0105.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 13:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FB193EEA0 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 X-Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm101.48a3732c.25adce for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:22:17 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIqskJyXsQcAIAAAAB,ce7481c3f5b07e332ef58d0e8780d78a Message-ID: <556B95F90FFC493EB69788687CFC910D@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <299121.33042.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48A9FE71.3020709@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48A9FE71.3020709@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:22:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NitroH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ypD5NIDG-5vIkBduZjXII9GddjyBm9VkMrRDoAbU6FtQNkku627yR4doCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: george burnash All this talk makes me want to get up to ride Nitro at some point. I want to know what I'm missing. :) --- Or at least go half way and hit Goliath at SFOG... it's incredible. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 19 06:30:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28476 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 13:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 13:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0101.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 13:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04097C510F for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:30:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.48a37325.1559d5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:30:36 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIqsr8GPFC4AIAAAAB,d290e4b714f43251dcb1f607a737aed7 Message-ID: To: References: <363267.46272.qm@web45205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6AB18121-7048-4813-89D4-2D4B5173A858@donkeyentertainment.com> <76e1ec0a0808152146s58b76ee1x309f4d4b5b99514d@mail.gmail.com> <3D977A61-2E76-4E3C-9F6B-6A8851BB5F33@donkeyentertainment.com> <5F5B13CA-C506-4E1C-8051-3B32D5E318EE@buzzneon.com> <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> In-Reply-To: <5331BE02-0F4D-40D5-A351-9E720124826C@donkeyentertainment.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:30:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Cockroaches off the menu at Magic Mountain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=-gP4HyGpCjsl9TGD0miGGl5yI5blzNanTb95ghRsDmkf7uySO5sNTr1itA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>But that's sort of the one argument that I was making... is Fear Factor really an image you want associated with your park? << Universal apparently didn't have a problem with it after putting live Fear Factor shows into Hollywood and Florida, and Universal has a better "family friendly" image than Six Flags does... Now they're not eating live things in those shows, but I believe they did create some pretty gross things for poeple to eat from dead animals... Universal has also done the live cockroach thing for their Halloween Horror Nights before as well... though not the "eating" part. Instead they had a stage set up where guests would volunteer to have a large chamber thing put on their heads and various live animals (including these same roaches) dropped into the chamber on them. A big difference to be sure... but I think the story that Six Flags isn't promoting the eating of live roaches this year is kind of a non-story that would have gone entirely unnoticed by the mainstream media had it not been for the PETA press release claiming victory over Six Flags. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 06:59:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9192 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 13:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 13:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 13:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 13:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 13:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 13:59:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:59:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS - ITPS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aEo5c05DrHBgm0u-f5C57jH-9pXAygXn9F0Jcu9kPjm3e90 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Adam, Thanks for the heads-up on the ITPS, this is one source I didn't have. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wrote: > > > I like the news stories myself, though often they are the same news > stories=20 > > that > > I get sent to me through various news feed sources. But I had not heard=20 > > about > > the IAAPA or ITPS mailers. Can you send me more details on those? > > More News is better than no news in my opinion. >=20 > I think the IAAPA one is for members-only (sign up after logging into > the website) and you can sign up for the ITPS email by sending an > email to Shawn at Shawn Haas shawnhaas@... . >=20 > Adam From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 07:14:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86469 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 14:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 14:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 14:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:14:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:14:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: ITPS Signs Contract to Manage Istanbul Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hUd-oGYjwKDKFxAC9EOnuIAj2Nc6f1sLZ44SAenml8OcGVM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 July 23, 2008 International Theme Park Services, Inc. http://www.interthemepark.com/news/ORA.htm ISTANBUL, TURKEY -- Dennis Speigel, President of International Theme Park Services, Inc. (ITPS) and Enver Nalbant, Chairman of ORA Istanbul (ORA), announced today that ORA has selected ITPS for the following services to their developing multi-faceted leisure, retail project: Feasibility Study, Design Review, Ride and Attraction Procurement, Pre-Opening Operating Services and Long-Term On-Site Management. Nalbant said that after a global search for a management organization by ORA, ITPS was selected to be the company to manage this major new theme park project. The Turkish project consists of Istanbul and Turkey's first theme park, a major retail mall, large screen cinema complex and Turkey's largest performing arts and concert arena. Speigel said, "Istanbul is a wonderful cosmopolitan city which needs and can sustain a major project of this type. The location in the market is a prime site which we believe will have the greatest opportunity for attracting the attendance segments to each facet of the project." Further Speigel said, "We have worked in Turkey for 20 years on various types of leisure attractions. This is by far the largest project of this nature to develop in Istanbul or Turkey. We are pleased to be selected as the management and coordinator for the theme park." ITPS is celebrating 25 years of service to the Theme Park Industry. The company has worked on over 450 projects in 45 countries since its formation in 1983. ------------------ =A9 2008 International Theme Park Services, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 07:19:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55190 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 14:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 14:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 14:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:19:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:19:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: ITPS Celebrates 25 Year Anniversary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=oBx4Bq575Ds9Z4TVpWGhixeJrGd_pa-x3FvNG9KqHzxcnxM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2008 International Theme Park Services, Inc. http://www.interthemepark.com/news/anniversary.htm CINCINNATI, OH -- This year, International Theme Park Services, Inc. (ITPS) celebrates its 25th anniversary as the leisure industry's leading independent consulting firm. "In 1983 there was great potential for international growth of the leisure industry and a true need for experienced assistance to those developing projects," said Dennis L. Speigel, President of ITPS. "Based on this need, ITPS was formed." During the last 25 years, ITPS has worked on over 450 projects in 40 countries providing Feasibility Analyses, Design, Pre-Opening Operations Planning, Training, On-site Management, Safety Audits, Business Analyses, Construction/Project Management and Property Sales Representation services. ITPS is dedicated to its clients and the leisure industry. Always on the forefront of new trends, ITPS is experienced to assist in all aspects of any new project or existing facility. "One of the keys to our success is our dedication to go above and beyond the needs of our clients," remarked Shawn Haas, VP of Retail, Operations and IT for ITPS. "Even though the industry as a whole has experienced a wild roller coaster ride over the last few years, we have been able to continue our success by being on the leading edge of the industry," said Speigel. He continued, "We would like to extend our sincere appreciation to our clients and the leisure community for their support over the past 25 years. We look forward to the future with its many challenges and excitement!" ------------- =A9 2008 International Theme Park Services, Inc. From maryland.steelers.fan@verizon.net Tue Aug 19 07:35:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: maryland.steelers.fan@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29017 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 14:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 14:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 14:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:34:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:34:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808181811p22a518ffn58cb943ed154cced@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 130.85.73.147 From: "Greg Mumma" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326326590; y=iM0FO5tgeHCkCrmnxzlaPzrqsVLnUZfmQe57zS2S3rboA2W5_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: caps_fan_2 >I went to digest version for a while and it was kind of a PITA > because posts and replies were out of order and it didn't make any >sense. It used to be quite confusing to me, too. However, as long as the subject line is the same, Yahoo now lists all posts on the same topic in order in the digest. They number it 1.1, 1.2, etc. The next subject is 2.1, 2.2, etc. Then 3.1, 3.2, etc It makes it alot easier to follow. I'm not always interested in certain topics, so when my digest comes in I can just skip down to whatever topic I'm interested in without having to read the whole thing to follow the discussion. Greg From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 07:49:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48381 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 14:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 14:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 14:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:49:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:49:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: Who is ITPS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Z32PmlF_eCIk_r4TEzDK_2iQkd--sCPD2Rb2JA9PGuZPMP4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 International Theme Park Services, Inc. (ITPS) is a world-wide management and consulting firm located in Cincinnati, OH. Established in 1983, ITPS was formed to fill the demand for practical knowledge and hands-on experience in leisure and attendance driven industries. Our commitment to the success of the industry is demonstrated with all of our clients. We work with and value the goals of each project - small, medium and large. As a full service organization, ITPS is qualified to provide complete consultation and management services in the areas of: Theme Parks, Amusement Parks, Resorts, Waterparks, Specialty Attractions, Family Entertainment Centers, Malls, Aquariums, and Zoos.=20 The following is a sampling of ITPS' past and current clients and projects worldwide. The Bronx Zoo; Ocean Breeze Waterpark; Anaheim Aquarium; Lima Oceanfront; Dino Kingdom; SuperSplash! Adventure; Akua'n Kay Ocean Park; Asterix Theme Park; AutoWorld; Beijing Amusement Park; Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame; Carousel Creations, Ltd.; Cebu Theme Park; Cedar Fair, L.P.; Chippewa Lake Park; Cincinnati Zoological Park and Botanical Gardens; Columbus Zoo; Coney Island Resorts, Inc.; Dorney Park; Eastgate Miniature Golf; Elitch Gardens; Empire Theme Park; Eupalinos Theme Park; Fiesta Texas; Funtime Parks, Inc.; Happyland; Intamin, Inc.; Kentucky Kingdom; La Ronde Amusement Park; Lagoon Park; Lake Compounce; Lotte World; Marineland; MCA/Universal Studios;=20 MGM Grand Theme Park and Casino; Paramount's Canada's Wonderland, Inc.; Paramount's Carowinds; Paramount's Great America; Paramount's Kings Dominion; Paramount's Kings Island; Premier Parks; Railroad Museum Of South Florida; Reino Aventura; Rhein Park; Rye Playland; Ryh Jing Leisure/Panda Park; Ryh JingLeisure/Taiwan Dinosaur Park; Six Flags Great America; Six Flags Over Texas; Space Exploration and Development Corporation; Tianjin Amusement Park; Togo Japan, Inc.; Tropicana/Tivoli Pier; Turfway Park; Walt Disney Productions; Water Street Pavilion and Festival Marketplace; West Edmonton Mall; Worlds of Fun; Wrather Port Properties Queen Mary/Spruce Goose; Jazzland Theme Park; etc.... --------------- =A9 2008 International Theme Park Services, Inc. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 07:56:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37495 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 14:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 14:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 14:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 14:56:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:56:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808181811p22a518ffn58cb943ed154cced@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.10.126 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=HVYX6o26Ta-agO_ojqECkM65GOBKOv8lzadW9I18ekzFcTjoYhyg X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > I've been on this list for over 13 years and I'm quite aware how it > operates. I went to digest version for a while and it was kind of a=20 PITA > because posts and replies were out of order and it didn't make any=20 sense. The digest is very structured now. In fact, all topics of the day=20 are combined one after the other in chronological order. if you do=20 not want to follow a discussion, simply scroll down to where the new=20 one starts. > Kind of funny that out of nowhere, everyone's a white knight for an=20 e-mail > less cell phone and only using it to make calls or turning it off=20 at night. > Fact of the matter is, it's how I do things, and I like how I do=20 things. That's fine... however... When you leave your PDA, Cellphone,=20 whatever, on all night, you have no right to complain when something=20 wakes you up. In fact, you sound kinda dumb when you say "I left my=20 phone on and then it rang, what the hell?" You can set it to "alarm=20 only," you can set up a profile that is a silent ringer for=20 everything except "work" contacts, etc. etc. And besides... > I work in IT, so I'm naturally drawn to things of a technology- related > level, as well as having to constantly be connected in case I'm=20 needed for > something at any given time.=20 Do people really need IT support at 3am? Josh, I'm sorry this response is a little bit harsh towards you, but=20 that's only cuz you were the one who wrote it... haha. I do wanna=20 see the tat picures though. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Aug 19 17:24:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54275 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2008 00:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2008 00:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 00:24:09 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so185122wff.9 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.201.3 with SMTP id y3mr2754123wff.279.1219191849405; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808191724wb04f27bod0e7c6036eaba51d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:24:09 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0808181811p22a518ffn58cb943ed154cced@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Opinion: NEWS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=bhCgaS0EyOJKmcw6uZMYfV1sn1xlrZ_BnffcdGkMIuDcY7rJNw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian flew in from nowhere and said: > > > < whatever, on all night, you have no right to complain when something > wakes you up. In fact, you sound kinda dumb when you say "I left my > phone on and then it rang, what the hell?" You can set it to "alarm > only," you can set up a profile that is a silent ringer for > everything except "work" contacts, etc. etc. And besides...>> > For one, my phone doesn't ring when I get an email, it vibrates. For 2, I should clarify that my "middle of the night" could be any time of day from 8A-5P to 4A-1P or 3A-9A etc... I work swing shift, and I'm kind of on-call and working more than I'm sleeping. Such is the life of the "new guy" (even though I've been there since last June now..) Then he came over the in-flight PA system to say: <> More than you'd think. In fact, when I was working at ANS doing in-office system admin stuff for the companies that used our data center remotely, I'd get TONS of calls and pages between 3 and 7 AM because a lot of know-it-all C.E.O's are up trying to get work done at that hour. Honestly, small business owners really do not sleep. Now, that I'm at a hospital there really is no such thing as "closed". Add that on top of my own photography stuff, and the microbrewery my friends and I started, and I'm pretty much 100% go as well. I guess I'll have to switch over to the digest again, although I'd rather not, but if when someone makes a suggestion, this is the outcome - consider my opinion kept to myself from now on. Josh > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 06:26:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75525 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2008 13:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2008 13:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 13:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2008 13:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2008 13:26:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:26:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.180.149 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Opinion: NEWS - ITPS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=VBe0Qiuk2ApBoILuL-pu1_b3jF0DABRNB0eVTdOPeUHvBvY1Mg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Yay! Even more news! Twice daily visitor to the group site here, for over 7 years. In all=20 that time, I've gotten less than a dozen e-mails from the group.=20 ;) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > Adam, > Thanks for the heads-up on the ITPS, this is one source I didn't=20 have. > -Alan >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" > wrote: > > > > > I like the news stories myself, though often they are the same=20 news > > stories=20 > > > that > > > I get sent to me through various news feed sources. But I had=20 not > heard=20 > > > about > > > the IAAPA or ITPS mailers. Can you send me more details on=20 those? > > > More News is better than no news in my opinion. > >=20 > > I think the IAAPA one is for members-only (sign up after logging=20 into > > the website) and you can sign up for the ITPS email by sending an > > email to Shawn at Shawn Haas shawnhaas@ . > >=20 > > Adam > From get_learning@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 07:47:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: get_learning@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5216 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2008 14:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2008 14:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 14:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n17.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2008 14:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2008 14:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2008 14:47:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:47:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 116.71.20.41 From: "get_learning" Subject: The Good and the Bad of Online Real Estate Training X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=348502655; y=3eHVKXjZtyrQX_-mX_YUt7Pe-FOwXdymBHJeBvQn_2C62S9nUb_k X-Yahoo-Profile: get_learning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Good and the Bad of Online Real Estate Training Real estate seems to be the new money-maker, the way to get rich fast and easy. Everyone looking for some quick cash can invest in a few courses, get their license and start working. Some people prefer to attend their classes in person, while others take the route of online real estate training. But is online training really all it's cracked up to be? More Information [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Aug 20 13:53:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44641 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2008 20:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2008 20:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 20:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KVugT-0005eT-65 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:53:37 -0400 Message-ID: <48AC8450.60300@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:53:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b9c0eef0b2cd4291dc1abbbac50d14012bf6ac6874c3803b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Good and the Bad of Online Real Estate Training X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=45fLoHHaKrfLOFdILE4mPmavAq7MpRoEB-CbSjlaJFIQimk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash get_learning wrote: > > > The Good and the Bad of Online Real Estate Training and with that, say goodbye... George From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Aug 20 13:57:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52756 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2008 20:57:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2008 20:57:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 20:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c6c.2ff237e0 (30740) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:57:42 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Good and the Bad of Online Real Estate Training X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=MGv-ER2_T5S3KqwhAiYl6MXf6DRDoO-jM9KbbaXfVu561GtySQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea, the only real estate I'd love to be able to get my hands on is, The Geauga Lake Property and the Chippewa Lake property and save those coasters left there, and bring those parks back to their former glory! Where can I find the money to do that??? **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 16:13:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96524 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 23:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 23:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 23:13:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4743 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2008 23:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [72.79.202.130] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:13:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:13:47 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1219338670.2709.6057.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <691833.4449.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: The Good and the Bad of Online Real Estate Training X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VqS-v8ATQSbwzUOoyGtTvDBVHFiHz0kqRFDvhLQD4177kRAKjkfn X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > and with that, say goodbye... < LOL! Even though I've never heard your voice, George, I can hear you saying that. On a completely different note, Karen and I will be making another trip to Lake Compounce on Saturday. It'll probably be our final trip there this season as work becomes more hectic. On another tangent, I've been giving presentations about Mountain Park at libraries all over Western Massachusetts. I've been meeting lots of remarkable people with amazing stories from the park. And I keep wishing I had met them before I wrote the book.... Ah well, even if I did a sequel I know I'd later meet even more people with more stories. It's nice to hear them and it helps fill in the many gaps in my knowledge. Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 21:03:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21039 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 04:03:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 04:03:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 04:03:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:03:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:03:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:03:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:03:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.10.126 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=ypZtbdhhlQOc0VaBrFfFA3ZOH1atywWrEC4XWdn3GQNbnK2o6Pss X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck We were at Geauga Lake today and the 19 Action News chopper kept flying=20 around the park and hovering. Is there any news going on at GL? We=20 didn't see anthing, but perhaps they announced that they were closing=20 for good at the end of the year? I haven't found anything on line. From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Aug 22 05:20:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30537 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 12:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 12:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 12:20:10 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d23so67799and.73 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.134.10 with SMTP id h10mr1085379and.133.1219407609650; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30808220520w6c057621ifd85bf341564a48f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:20:09 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Geauga Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=2JfXdUFl57ufmUAkV-9L4euSKwy_SdNZDzCDDRQ12XgfQveG X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons The only news item I've seen in the last couple days is this http://www.wkyc.com/news/regional/akron_article.aspx?storyid=94868&catid=6 Geauga Lake: Big Dipper lovers hopeful as Cedar Fair's land sale stalls BAINBRIDGE -- It's been just over 60 days since Geauga Lake amusement park's Big Dipper roller coaster was auctioned off for $5,000, although it will take about $1 million to dismantle and move it. Sandusky-based Cedar Fair Entertainment owns Cedar Point and Geauga Lake, among many other amudement parks. Cedar Fair's chief executive told financial analysts Thursday that two of the three bids for the three parcels that make up the 550-acre park were not high enough to make their sales worthwhile for Cedar Fair. Those two parcels make up all but 11 acres of the property. "We think the land is worth more," Kinzel said. That means that the sale of the park land is on hold indefinitely. That could be good news for those trying to save the Big Dipper roller coaster. While all but one of the other rides sold at the auction have been removed from the park, no one, including Cedar Fair, has learned who the real Dipper buyer is. The Big Dipper stands untouched and in "limbo" in the park, with no new destination in sight where it would stand unoperating as a "nostalgia piece" or be put back into operation. The undisclosed buyer's bidder at the on-site auction, Tom Woosnam of Akron-based Apex Western Machinery Movers, said June 17 that the buyer would be revealed in about two weeks. But that has changed and, since a July 11 email to Channel 3 News, Woosnam has said that the buyer has changed his mind and will not be disclosing his name. It's now Woosnam, the only visible face on the fate of the coaster -- not Cedar Fair or the unnamed buyer -- at the center of the firestorm about the ultimate placement of the historic roller coaster. Posters on amusement park fan and ride Web sites still upset that Cedar Fair closed the park at all now worry that this "undisclosed buyer" doesn't even exist at all. When Woosnam, who also bought the Raging Wolf Bobs roller coaster at the auction, began selling the Bobs piece by piece on eBay three weeks ago, American Coaster Enthusiasts fan organization really got worried, especially since someone who claimed to be Woosnam was also offering the Big Dipper for sale on a Sandusky Web site. The only ride or item in the June 17-18 auction that required Cedar Fair's approval of the buyer was the Big Dipper. If they didn't and still don't know who bought it, how can Cedar Fair spokesman Robin Innes say "it's a very special ride. We want to make sure it has a proper home" and make sure it is taken care of if they had and have no idea who bought it? "We based it on his intention that they were going to keep the ride intact," Innes told Channel 3 News last week. Keeping the historic 1926 roller coaster ride intact and not demolishing it, whether it operated again or not, was ACE's hope. With today's news from Kinzel, bulldozers don't seem to be headed towards bulldozing the land anytime soon. Colliers International was marketing the parcels and is moving forward with the third bidder for the 11-acre parcel where a non-profit group wants to buy all 11 acres and the small Geauga Lake hotel on the property. The bidder for the parcel where the Big Dipper stands wants to develop the land for mixed-use retail/commercial. Innes said last week that there is "no rush" to clear any of the land quickly and that the remnants of the park buildings and facilities are also still being dismantled. Innes also commented on the fate of two other park rides that were not included in the auction -- the 1926 Illions carousel and the Americana ferris wheel. "The carousel is still at the park and it will soon be transported elsewhere for rehabilitation and it will be put in another Cedar Fair Park," Innes said. "The ferris wheel has been dissembled and transported to another location and will be put in another Cedar Fair park," he added. Innes declined to name the park or parks the two rides were destined for. Of the two rides that were auctioned off, the Big Dipper and the Itamin Skyscraper are still in place at the park. Innes said of the Skyscraper, "Eventually, it will be removed." The Skyscraper observation tower ride was sold for scrap at the auction but the buyer resold it on eBay for $50,000. (c) 2008 WKYC-TV On 8/22/08, tommytheduck wrote: > We were at Geauga Lake today and the 19 Action News chopper kept flying > around the park and hovering. Is there any news going on at GL? We > didn't see anthing, but perhaps they announced that they were closing > for good at the end of the year? I haven't found anything on line. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 07:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41487 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 14:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 14:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 14:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 14:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 14:43:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:43:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Dollywood plans new attraction & show for 2009 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=fg4luPx9kMxPziEiA2RtWgB4kLuQklPx_tDW73u4sWfOKNA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 18, 2008 Amusement Today http://www.amusementtoday.com/ PIGEON FORGE, TN -- Dollywood's 2009 season will feature the new Adventure Mountain (AM) attraction and Imagine presented by Le Grand Cirque, the new show that will headline Dollywood's annual Festival of Nations in the spring. AM celebrates the great outdoors and natural beauty of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, which marks its 75th anniversary in 2009. Dollywood is located near the entrance to the national park, the most-visited in the country, which welcomes more than 10 million guests annually.=20=09=20=20=09 "The beautiful Smoky Mountains have long inspired me and my music, and they're certainly at the heart and soul of my Dollywood theme park," Parton said. "My new AM attraction not only lets families explore the great outdoors together, but it's a way for all of us to celebrate these mountains and the folks like me who call them home." AM, a 2-acre outdoor terrain, will be located in Wilderness Pass, home of Dollywood's award-winning coasters Thunderhead and Mystery Mine. The $5 million addition features 5 different courses to challenge the strength and skill of every member of the family. Guests will encounter a waterfall gorge, rugged mountain trails, and zip lines. They can engage in individual pursuits or family competitions. During Dollywood's Festival of Nations, the park unveils Imagine presented by Le Grand Cirque. A cast of world-class international athletes, performers and acrobats combined with beautifully executed costumes and sets perform feats to dazzle the eye and stretch the boundaries of the imagination. Imagine delivers acts that include pole climbing, contortionists, men's bungee, mime artists, hand balancing, unicyclists, silk ropes and a Diablo act. Dollywood's Festival of Nations begins Mar. 28, 2009, and concludes Apr. 28, 2009. ---------------- =A9 2008 Amusement Today From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 07:46:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45837 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 14:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 14:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 14:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 14:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 14:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 14:46:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:46:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Schlitterbahn announces new Christmas event X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JWE1ZHd-rbnq1sJ14TVq9pJZUa215YjKOZK9loDjzxbRfXw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 14, 2008 Amusement Today http://www.amusementtoday.com/ NEW BRAUNFELS, TX -- Schlitterbahn New Braunfels (SNB) will transform the original Schlitterbahn into a dazzling evening spectacular blanketed with more than 1-million lights, amazing attractions, shows, festive food and unique shopping this coming Christmas holiday season. "We're excited to create a new family tradition this holiday season," explained Darren Hill, GM for SNB. "This new event truly captures the magic of Christmas morning every night. Visiting families will be thrilled with the variety of holiday attractions, shopping, food and shows that can all be enjoyed in one evening together." Attractions will include ice skating; a toboggan sled run; life-size lit nativity; Candy Cane Lane Light Tunnel; Crafter Village; Winter Wassail Hot Tub; Santa's Workshop; Christmas Shoppe; train display; Holiday Illuminations; and appearances by Santa Claus. SNB's Hill Country Christmas event opens for weekend operation (Friday - Sunday) beginning Nov. 28. The event is open daily Dec. 19, 2008 through Jan. 4, 2009 (except Christmas Eve and Christmas Day). For further details, visit: www.schlitterbahn.com --------------- =A9 2008 Amusement Today From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 07:50:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26813 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 14:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 14:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 14:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 14:50:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 14:50:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 14:50:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:50:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock Park begins employee layoffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WxrTSXdtya8mEsh9KlTgKUHBBIX4Lgf-7csMiXwvUUmToTY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 11, 2008 Amusement Today http://www.amusementtoday.com/ MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- According local S.C. newspapers and other sources, Myrtle Beach's Hard Rock Park (HRP) has laid off up to 30 employees. The $400 million themer, which opened in April, is suffering from the weak economy and lowered consumer spending, said Jim Olecki, a spokesman with New York-based public relations firm Weber Shandwick, which represents for the park. The layoffs affected both full- and part-time employees in various areas of the park. Various theme park consultants have said the park's projections of 3-million visitors in its first year were too high, and its initial ticket price of $50 was too steep for the Myrtle Beach market. Olecki said the layoffs at HRP were a response to seasonal changes in the business. He also said the park is scheduled to be open past Labor Day and next year, but things might change. "As we've stated in the past, it's our first season, so we're going to monitor the attendance levels and adjust the schedule in line with demand," Olecki said. "You have a very difficult environment across the board in tourism, so you have that, and we're just going to see. We're going to see how attendance is through the latter months and the outer season months." ------------ =A9 2008 Amusement Today From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Aug 22 15:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20323 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 22:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 22:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-196.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 22:42:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11808 invoked by uid 0); 22 Aug 2008 22:41:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 22:41:59 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KWfKR-0005Om-Ca for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:41:59 -0600 Message-Id: <32711958-65B7-4401-B2C6-A84BD11A9607@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:42:02 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hard Rock Park begins employee layoffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=cvPhk3T80CZ6EIxXYoARzAegBSq8tDSs1HthS0nL9BdKuQV9dSOa X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > The layoffs affected both full- and part-time employees in various > areas of the park. Various theme park consultants have said the park's > projections of 3-million visitors in its first year were too high, and > its initial ticket price of $50 was too steep for the Myrtle Beach > market. Heh... foreshadowing for every park in Dubai. Mike From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Aug 22 17:12:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41625 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 00:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 00:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 00:12:12 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so106614ana.112 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.119.12 with SMTP id r12mr2199811anc.73.1219450332025; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808221712g676f8257qd6a5f0f3e9c2a7b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:12:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <32711958-65B7-4401-B2C6-A84BD11A9607@donkeyentertainment.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <32711958-65B7-4401-B2C6-A84BD11A9607@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hard Rock Park begins employee layoffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=ErJl4Aut5CqLGu-dn6CZUTpuPLJgUvsevrrNAkRT3AJp_jY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska i dont know about that. europe has been doing good economicly and i can see them flocking to dubai. You cant really compare that to myrtle beach, i dont think. On 8/22/08, Mike Filippone wrote: >> The layoffs affected both full- and part-time employees in various >> areas of the park. Various theme park consultants have said the park's >> projections of 3-million visitors in its first year were too high, and >> its initial ticket price of $50 was too steep for the Myrtle Beach >> market. > > Heh... foreshadowing for every park in Dubai. > > Mike > > > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Aug 22 22:50:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12883 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Aug 2008 05:50:27 -0000 Date: 23 Aug 2008 05:50:27 -0000 Message-ID: <1219470627.27.12882.m35@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=MczHN5SBbucssqjK8XR6a4AR1219470621-1" --YCalReminder=MczHN5SBbucssqjK8XR6a4AR1219470621-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=MczHN5SBbucssqjK8XR6a4AR1219470621-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 18:55:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45036 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 01:55:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 01:55:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 01:55:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52138 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2008 01:55:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aILf3I8VM1k4v5ZUzUDqb5ouJVrkdIwrfZsZDLbWFty.OjhemhrDNPanSptbFyJCdo8zWrt1Ng7bFFfXPisctNbSY5WC4vKjnC9_FyfNyep2IDnCO39NDtndoJhSCvmGgUI- X-Received: from [72.79.202.130] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:55:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:55:54 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <185563.51027.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: TR: Lake Compounce again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=SIa_pax1eeZ9hTGZJhAnyLSkLSVZuEXdLw4axBEuYjodkfNMKtLK X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Karen and I made what was possibly our last trip for the season to Lake Compounce on Saturday. We got arrived at 10:15, and about 50 cars were lined up down the entrance road waiting for the parking booths to open. There were families playing on the grassy area to the side of the road. Within a few minutes, a line of cars stretched to the horizon behind us. I was astounding how impatient people were. A car drove up and cut right in front of us, with its back end jutting out into the second lane, even though we were just sitting there. Those are the times when I wish I were driving a bulldozer. A little after 10:30 the booths opened and within a few minutes we were parked in the second row. We then waited at the entrance gates until 11:00, and then were let in. The first thing we did was go to the Potato Patch (our usual first stop). The manager of foods was at the cash register and was pleasantly chatty. Karen asked about park hours in the coming weeks. He said there was a big ESPN day coming up, and after that the park would be open on weekends. He also said that this year the giant Haunted Graveyard was going to be even bigger. Crews had been working on it since March. He said there were areas he didn't even want to walk through during the daytime. We ordered a freshly-made batch of fries and sat at a table by the Wave Swinger. We then wandered over to the north end. The line for the Saw Mill Plunge was short, and most of the boats were running. So we queued up. The ride attendant was extremely perky and enthusiastic. The ride itself was fun as usual. The spray at the end had been turned off so we emerged only mildly damp. Next we took a ride on the Giant Wheel and enjoyed the panoramic views. I could see that the Boulder Dash crew was putting a second train on. So after the Wheel, we headed for the coaster. In the queue line we encountered two guys from Manhattan. We talked with them about parks and coasters. They weren't enthusiasts per se, but they had been to several parks. Their favorite seemed to be Rye Playland. This was their first time at The Lake. I urged them to ride in the front seat, and told them to keep the lap bar and belt a little loose. Karen and I were soon on board. Boulder Dash was fast and furious fun, absolutely the most amazing wood coaster ever built. That new triple-up was really powerful, knocking us hard into our lap bars. After the ride, we waited for the two Manhattan guys. When they got off the ride, one of them exclaimed, "That was frickin' unbelievable!" They thanked me for telling them to keep their lap bars loose. I love it when Boulder Dash thrills new riders! We then queued up for Ghost Hunt. The ride attendant there didn't seem very enthusiastic, or even mildly interested. But the ride was fun. My "boo blaster" seemed to be mis-aligned, though. We were going to take a spin on Zoomer's (the Cadillac cars), but the ride was closed for a '50s show that was in progress. Well, it was suppposed to be a Doo-Wop production, but the performers suddenly broke into a nerdy version of YMCA. I hate it when shows treat any song from any era as a rock-n-roll oldie. (I also hate YMCA, but that's another story....) The park was filling up fast. The waterpark was packed. We took the train over to the south end of the park. It was a nice leisurely ride. We didn't want to get soaked, so we again skipped the amazing Thunder Rapids. The sun was beating down hard, so we steered clear of the Sky Ride, which would have baked us for a half-hour. Instead we hopped on the trolley for a ride to the Crok Pot. We then walked next door and each got two slices of pizza. We walked around a bit and finally found a table next to the Wildcat entrance. The pizza was delicious as usual. I don't know what it is about the pizza there, but I could eat it every day (and get incredibly fat). Karen wanted to rest in the shade while I took another amazing ride on Boulder Dash. Next to the station, the usual ghoulish display was set up advertising the Haunted Graveyard. Karen and I then walked over to Zoomer's and took and enjoyable ride. Some of the sound systems in the cars worked and some didn't. Karen noticed a new addition, a mini drive in theater scene near the end of the ride. By that point it was about 3:00. The park was still packing people in. We stopped by Main Gate Snacks for some delicious soft serve and then called it a day. Once again, we didn't feel rushed. We rode the rides we felt like riding. We gazed at the beautiful landscaping. It was a perfect way to relax on a day off. I hope the new owners recognize what makes The Lake so special, what sets it far above a Six Flags experience. We go to Lake Compounce not to have a thrill a minute, but to simply unwind after a long week. That's the quality that keeps us coming back. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 21:03:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23643 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 04:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 04:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 04:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 04:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 04:03:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:03:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32711958-65B7-4401-B2C6-A84BD11A9607@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.184.65 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park begins employee layoffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=u-UyL5_oH5LtjmhRkYFChj0PwCa2DMnnzGjAPHQjsIMioUItaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone=20 wrote: > > > The layoffs affected both full- and part-time employees in various > > areas of the park. Various theme park consultants have said the=20 park's > > projections of 3-million visitors in its first year were too high,=20 and > > its initial ticket price of $50 was too steep for the Myrtle Beach=20=20 > > market. >=20 > Heh... foreshadowing for every park in Dubai. >=20 > Mike No way. They import workers from impoverished countries around Asia,=20 and pay them slave wages. I've been to Kuwait, Oman, UAE (where Dubai=20 is), and lived in Bahrain, and they are all that way. The parks will be=20 built by people who make pennies a day and be staffed the same way.=20 Chris From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 08:52:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86839 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 15:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 15:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 15:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 15:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 15:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 15:51:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:51:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Geauga County Historical Society & Geauga Lake Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ta2w7eLvIDfiuoYcKlMVMlmwCuLKTRAbCfHpjaG6JpjccKE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 22, 2008 WKYC Cleveland http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=3D95147 by Kim Wendel BURTON, OH -- On Friday, a section of the former Geauga Lake's (GL) Raging Wolf Bobs roller coaster and the chassis of an original coaster car became part of the Geauga County Historical Society's Century Village. The 16'- by 9'- wide by 5'- high section of track and the coaster car were donated by Ray Edgehouse Jr. On July 8, Edgehouse bought the Raging Wolf Bobs from Apex Western Machiner Movers, the Akron-based company that bought the coaster for $2,500 at the GL auction in June. Edgehouse was also selling parts of the Wolf Bobs on eBay. Apex's Tom Woosnam represented the actual, still-unknown buyer of the Wolf Bobs and the Big Dipper at the June ride auction at GL. "I want nothing more than to preserve a section of this ride for my (children) and everyone else's children," Edgehouse told Channel 3 News. The society said ARMS Trucking and Ronyak Paving Company, both of Burton, donated their time and equipment to bring the section of track and the coaster car to Century Village on East Park Street in downtown Burton. The car will need renovation and the society is seeking donations for this purpose. The society was also recently given the building that housed the Hay Baler ride at the former GL. It's developing plans to reconstruct this building at Century Village to house a welcome center, museum store, exhibit hall, offices and storage for the museum's 15,000 artifacts. The society also hopes to develop a "GL Amusement Park" exhibit in the Hay Baler building over the next few years with Edgehouse's gifts being the centerpieces of the exhibit. A funding plan is currently being developed. The society bought GL's Palace Theater and its contents and a pavilion. The Palace Theater is where magic acts were performed in the later years of the park. The society plans to add a 2nd floor to the theater and use half of the 1st floor for a GL museum, offices and the 2nd floor for storage of GL items. The Hay Baler building was the home of the 1976 Mack Himalaya Matterhorn ride and was donated to the society. The Palace Theater was purchased for $1,000 and was the main reason the society went to Norton Auctioneers' GL auction June 17-18. The pavilion cost $4,500, all of which was funded by a grant. Both the Palace Theater and the pavilion have already been moved to the historical society's Century Village in Burton. The pavilion will be the base for the new Ohio Maple Museum. The society is looking for donations to pay for the reconstruction of the buildings. In 1988, as part of its centennial celebration, GL Amusement Park unveiled the Raging Wolf Bobs roller coaster. The $2 million wooden coaster was 3,506'-long and reached a height of 80' above ground. With the cars obtaining speeds of up to 50 mph, the ride took 2 minutes to complete. It ceased operations in June, 2007 shortly before GL Amusement Park closed for good in September 2007. In existence since 1938, the society is the only living history center in Geauga County. Through its role as curator, it supports the Century Village Museum, consisting of 22 historic buildings and 6 support structures in downtown Burton. The museum provides tours to more than 5,000 school children from 60 schools each year and hosts numerous major annual events highlighting various cultural aspects of the Western Reserve. ------------- =A9 2008 WKYC-TV From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 13:35:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62214 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 20:35:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 20:35:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.229) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 20:35:33 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1849586rvb.15 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:35:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.203.9 with SMTP id a9mr3098692rvg.203.1219782933251; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:35:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:35:33 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=VxdgmP0iUlv3Xw3YILvhO7TipzQSUKp0lODoALg9tgFcIsH89ad_YtY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 SANTA CLAUS, IN-----The world's tallest water ride will headline the expansion projects planned for Holiday World & Splashin' Safari's 2009 season. Pilgrims Plunge, a classic "shoot the chute" ride, will utilize an open elevator to swiftly lift boats filled with riders 135 feet in the air. The boats will pause briefly and then rapidly descend a record 131 feet at a 45-degree angle, creating a wall of water splashing 45 feet high and 90 feet wide. "We've dreamed about adding a shoot-the-chute ride for years," says Will Koch, the president of Holiday World & Splashin' Safari. "When we saw the opportunity to break the world's record and to use an open-air elevator in the design, we couldn't resist! This is a high-capacity, classic family ride with a modern twist." Pilgrims Plunge's maximum speed will top 50 miles per hour. In addition, Koch announced the HoliWatch program, a wristband-style radio frequency identification service that will be offered free to park guests in 2009. The water-proof devices will serve as locators for families or groups who become separated during their visit. "When parents can't find their small child, even for a few minutes, it's enough to ruin their day," says Koch. "The HoliWatch system will provide them with the most recent location of each member of their party." In addition, the HoliWatch system will include a messaging system as well as park information at the ten HoliWatch InfoCenters located throughout the parks. Today's announcement marks the second largest expansion project in the park's 63-year history. Koch says the price tag for Pilgrims Plunge is more than half of the $8.4 million being invested in his family's parks for 2009. Other additions include more shade structures in Splashin' Safari plus improvements to the Legend Parking Lot, including an access road and traffic signal at the junction of State Roads 162 and 245 to the east of the park. Holiday World & Splashin' Safari are open for the Labor Day Weekend and again September 13 and 14. Holiday World=97only will then be open weekends through October 12. For more information, visit the parks' website at www.HolidayWorld.com or call 1-877-463-2645. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 13:38:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31495 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 20:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 20:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.245) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 20:38:52 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so1864226rvb.32 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:38:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.168.16 with SMTP id v16mr3100236rvo.233.1219783132624; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:38:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:38:52 -0500 To: coastertalk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=EjaH4lX6be5JzGQeEwBFsRZR-TbLAjuJEZc3e6SydZhPKnKHVDJzAqc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Pilgrims Plunge, a classic "shoot the chute" ride, will utilize an > open elevator to swiftly lift boats filled with riders 135 feet in the > air. The boats will pause briefly and then rapidly descend a record > 131 feet at a 45-degree angle, creating a wall of water splashing 45 > feet high and 90 feet wide. My thoughts are that a shoot-the-chutes attraction will go over well at Holiday World. However, 45* seems like an awfully shallow angle of descent for such a large ride. This ride is nearly 15 feet taller than Perilous Plunge, and that ride drops at a 75-degree angle. Granted, I wouldn't expect anything near that steep given the problems PP (and Oakwood's Hydro) have caused their respective parks. However, I still think 45 degrees sounds a bit...rampy... -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 14:02:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26126 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 21:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 21:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 21:02:40 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k40so425710rnd.0 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.133.8 with SMTP id g8mr2167048wfd.253.1219784559287; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808261402k40c25f76n4125093b7425d94a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:02:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Fo78Y7nNFH519DfeXRpE6TeEPMOiMLpDAWE3EWPxtbL4FRZjOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I might be on the same wave length on that (HA! wave length. No pun was actually intended by this...). I'm not sure, though. I'll wait until I see it, I guess. Josh On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Pilgrims Plunge, a classic "shoot the chute" ride, will utilize an > > open elevator to swiftly lift boats filled with riders 135 feet in the > > air. The boats will pause briefly and then rapidly descend a record > > 131 feet at a 45-degree angle, creating a wall of water splashing 45 > > feet high and 90 feet wide. > > My thoughts are that a shoot-the-chutes attraction will go over well > at Holiday World. However, 45* seems like an awfully shallow angle of > descent for such a large ride. This ride is nearly 15 feet taller > than Perilous Plunge, and that ride drops at a 75-degree angle. > Granted, I wouldn't expect anything near that steep given the problems > PP (and Oakwood's Hydro) have caused their respective parks. However, > I still think 45 degrees sounds a bit...rampy... > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 14:56:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53763 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 21:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 21:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f15.google.com) (209.85.217.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 21:56:19 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so4664338gxk.3 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.155.9 with SMTP id h9mr10019352ybo.8.1219787778953; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:56:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0808261456w5c7bc964had36e9e1f6961eb9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:56:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808261402k40c25f76n4125093b7425d94a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0808261402k40c25f76n4125093b7425d94a@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=QBTlofzO06XiW0SVP6fceqbsjJmc_mwstEFWIhqYQCLgDNI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I might have missed it, but who is the manufacturer? Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 15:00:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24276 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 22:00:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 22:00:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.243) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 22:00:45 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so2676786rvb.2 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.52.5 with SMTP id e5mr3150849rvk.125.1219788044576; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:00:44 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0808261456w5c7bc964had36e9e1f6961eb9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0808261402k40c25f76n4125093b7425d94a@mail.gmail.com> <165816ef0808261456w5c7bc964had36e9e1f6961eb9@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.243 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=8Gf5Ir9KiiJJ1BH0A5lyh9REHIh7icbaAEdnrid4YxwKI1VP__OQ3_o X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I might have missed it, but who is the manufacturer? I don't think it was listed in the press release, but it's an Intamin. Which should be interesting, to say the least. It also looks to have the pull-down lapbars seen on the newer rocket coasters (but without the shoulder "straps"). -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 16:22:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60561 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 23:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 23:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 23:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2008 23:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2008 23:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2008 23:22:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:22:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.11.124.131 From: "josh.wozny" Subject: NEWS: Seattle Elementary School Receives New Playground X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=FE0yAMitb2TnLqKLcVLPKLiqGOi2UPNfLjOypoPwVrjU4H72zg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny More Than 200 KaBOOM!, WaMu and Leschi Elementary Volunteers Roll Up Sleeves to Build a Dream Play Area for Students Washington Mutual (NYSE:WM): WHAT: Washington Mutual (WaMu), Leschi Elementary School and organizers from KaBOOM! will use the dreams and wishes of =09=09 students to build a playground on Saturday, July 26, 2008, at the school. More than 200 volunteers will replace Leschi's 20-plus-year-old play structure in less than six hours. The project is part of a national partnership between WaMu and KaBOOM! to provide new, safe places for thousands of children to play. Elements from students' drawings, produced nine weeks earlier, were used to create playground blueprints and prepare for the construction of the playground. =09=09=20 WHY: The new playground will provide more than 280 children who attend the school with a safe place to develop creativity, imagination and friendships and will also be open to the public. The play space is the fifth of 10 to be built by KaBOOM! and WaMu nationwide in 2008, and one of more than 225 =09=09 KaBOOM! will build across the country this year in an effort to provide a great place to play within walking distance of every child in America. The partnership is a perfect fit for WaMu's hands-on approach to helping create strong, safe and vibrant communities. =09=09=20 WHERE: Leschi Elementary School 135 32nd Avenue Seattle, WA 98122 =09=09=20 WHEN: Saturday, July 26, 2008 =09=09 8:30 AM - Kick-off and volunteer deployment =09=09 11:30-1:30 PM - Best time to view playground under construction 3 PM - Ribbon-cutting ceremony to dedicate new play area (Note: all times approximate) =09=09=20 WHO: hundreds of volunteers from the community =09=09=20 VISUALS:=20=09=09 -- Before and after shots of the playground site -- Volunteers assembling brightly colored playground =09=09 equipment -- Kids from community creating video documentary of =09=09 playground build -- Ribbon-cutting ceremony to dedicate the playground -- Interviews with kids, volunteers and special guests Seattle Public Schools David Tucker, 206-252-0203 or KaBOOM! Mike Vietti, 202-464-6076 or WaMu Darcy Donahoe-Wilmot, 425-444-2500 Link: http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2438372.html From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 16:35:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41168 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 23:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 23:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 23:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2008 23:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2008 23:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2008 23:35:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:35:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.11.124.131 From: "josh.wozny" Subject: NEWS: Michael Phelps Returns To His Tank At Sea World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Jfv0agFDl1oU0WueTjPLWtbptJqUaPh3GudWS8Q4rsYanuJRaw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Wonder what PETA thinks of this... ORLANDO=97Fourteen-time Olympic gold medalist and SeaWorld main attraction Michael Phelps returned to his seven-million-gallon water tank Wednesday to resume his normal schedule of performing in six shows a day for marine park crowds every day of the week. Phelps, the 6'4", 200-pound aquatic mammal, and the first ever SeaWorld swimmer to be raised in captivity by foster swimmers (Mark Spitz and Dara Torres), was recaptured by trainer Bob Bowman in a hoop net baited with an entire Dutch apple pie following Phelps' final Olympic event last Sunday. Phelps was then tethered to the rudder of a container ship bound for St. Petersburg, guided down local waterways, and introduced back into his home habitat, the tank in SeaWorld's 5,500 seat stadium, known to park officials and visitors alike as "Phelps' Happy Harbor." "Michael seemed really excited to be back," said Bowman, adding that the male swimmer became playful upon entering his tank, breaching the water and sounding repeatedly. "He just started swimming freestyle and backstroke, and only stopped to slide belly first onto the tank's platform so he could be fed dozens of fried egg sandwiches." "He fell asleep at the surface of the water around midnight," Bowman added. Though Bowman plans on continuing the long-running aquatic show "Michael, The Yankee Doodle Swim Team Captain," in which Phelps was performing prior to leaving for Beijing, Bowman said he and Phelps would begin working on an all-new production, which will debut in September with the title "Champion!" Bowman has promised this show would be the most ambitious program in the history of Olympic swimmer sea spectacles. Bowman says one stunt called the "Flying Medal" will begin with Phelps' 14 gold medals being suspended above the water. Phelps will then enter the stadium butterfly-stroking at full speed, coursing along the surface, and with every breach of the water, placing his head through the hoop of one medal after another. If Phelps is wearing all 14 medals at the end of the stunt, Bowman said, the swimmer will be rewarded with a whole pizza and a pound of cooked enriched pasta. Bowman confirmed that the routine would also feature the signature aquatic feats that audiences from around the world have come to expect from Phelps, such as his trademark trick of 35 flip turns in 35 seconds, nuzzling a child with his nose, and Bowman himself "surfing" on Phelps' back while the subservient sea creature swims the breaststroke. "Those seated in the first 14 rows should be prepared to get soaked," Bowman said, admitting that Phelps' powerful dolphin kicks would be added to the new program. "Also, Michael's two friends, [Olympic swimmers] Ryan [Lochte] and Jason [Lezak], will open the show with their humorous beach ball antics." Beginning with the 1985's "Baby Michael Celebration," Phelps has entertained SeaWorld audiences for over 20 years. Spectators are not only enthralled with Phelps' exploits in the water, but his abnormally large torso, unusually small lower body, double-jointed ankles, gargantuan eating habits, the slurring, almost human methods of vocalization he uses to communicate, and his odd-looking goggle-covered face, all of which combine to make him the most unusual sight in all of Florida. "I have never seen a stranger yet more majestic-looking creature," said husband and father of three Glenn McKay. "Last year we went to SeaWorld San Diego and saw [Michael's female counterpart] Michelle, and even though the show was a little funnier than this one, nothing compares to watching Michael almost hover over the water after launching his trainer into the air." "Michelle" is SeaWorld's moniker for the Olympic gold medalist who was born Natalie Coughlin. "I liked it when he played dead and floated in the water," added McKay's 8-year-old son Brandon, who was clutching a Michael Phelps stuffed doll. "I also liked when he blew water on everyone." Though spectators=97and ticket-sales personnel=97are happy that Phelps is back at SeaWorld, members of the World Society for the Conservation of Olympic Swimmers released a statement yesterday saying that these athletic mammals should be released from captivity. The statement claims that there is conclusive scientific proof that confinement in smaller pools of water, as opposed to wide-open, Olympic-sized pools, causes the swimmers sensory depravation and a shorter lifespan. "It's clear that Michael doesn't like being at SeaWorld," WSCOS spokesperson Jonathan Haines said. "When he was placed back into his tank, the slightly loose portion of his black swim cap immediately folded over to the right side, a telltale symptom of stress and angst. And you can be certain that, just before he left for Beijing, he didn't bite that little girl's arm off because he was happy." From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 09:21:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91063 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 16:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 16:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 16:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.144] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t6.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:21:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:21:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.10.126 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Seattle Elementary School Receives New Playground X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=a0GxeMvH8YnvAuUNHeGgVN9t61KhnNfCJ3qKD_nGB5WgyIk1WFBF X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "josh.wozny" =20 wrote: > > More Than 200 KaBOOM!, WaMu and Leschi Elementary Volunteers Roll Up > Sleeves to Build a Dream Play Area for Students Do I detect a bit of sarcasm here? From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 09:23:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68823 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 16:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 16:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 16:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:23:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:23:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.47.10.126 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=asUgckoDql14dGsMqN2d5QSlnbQgYWeVozK633baJWgtqg6iECRi X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck This ride is nearly 15 feet taller > than Perilous Plunge, and that ride drops at a 75-degree angle. > Granted, I wouldn't expect anything near that steep given the problems > PP (and Oakwood's Hydro) have caused their respective parks. However, > I still think 45 degrees sounds a bit...rampy... I know that PP has been plagued with problems, but can someone tell=20 mehow they are related to the angle of the drop? Is it that the boats=20 cannot handle the steep angles? Is it the amount of forces put on the=20 structure by the pullout? I'm not sure I get it. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 09:27:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52796 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 16:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 16:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 16:27:21 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so1768403pyb.13 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.163.12 with SMTP id q12mr75827rvo.190.1219854441391; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:27:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=G3487RpLrDyxhJOlecPP2K9Jk1u8feRJpGEn33zWLDQA5RUVuXm8w-g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I know that PP has been plagued with problems, but can someone tell > mehow they are related to the angle of the drop? Is it that the boats > cannot handle the steep angles? Is it the amount of forces put on the > structure by the pullout? I'm not sure I get it. Well, the major problem is that PP (and Hydro) threw people out of the boats. The steeper angle of the drops create more of an "ejection force" on the riders. I doubt, for instance, that there's much of a chance that a seated rider would fly out of a 45-degree drop while riding unrestrained. With Perilous Plunge, on the other hand, I can almost guarantee that you're a goner with no restraints. -Nate From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 09:40:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70733 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 16:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 16:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.167) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 16:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 16:40:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Short TR: Kings Island X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=8N5Diqf1imoGqvdK-I-mwuiQsnIWcxi1pk-O1UtMAbhw_sFyJKIc2CA X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Had a change of plans for vacation this year due to gas prices and=20 slouching car sales(I'm a carsalesman)so instead of our trip to=20 Central PA and Knoebels, we ended up staying close to home. We=20 decided Kings Island would be good because of the kids area and also=20 because of the waterpark being included in admission. Although I=20 was bummed to not make it to Knoebels, we had a blast! The crowd=20 was extremely light(went on a Wednesday) and the weather was=20 awesome. My oldest daughter Bailey is six years old and was really=20 impressed how big the park was. We rode Avatar: The last airbender=20 about five times and that may have been her favorite ride. We also=20 rode the Fairly Odd Coaster which she loved and Dad thought it was=20 really cool too. It is so cool when your kids have the same passion=20 for something that you do. As soon as we got off the coaster she=20 wanted to know why there was only one big hill. I told her not to=20 worry next year she'll be able to ride some coasters with more than=20 one big hill as she should be 48" I'm hoping. We rode the Runaway=20 Reptar three times and that was pretty good too but it was a little=20 jerky. So Bai got a pretty good taste for some "real" coasters and=20 Dad got to add a couple more coasters to his nerdy track record=20 which now gives me 50. I know coaster chump. LOL. I can't wait to=20 ride some big coasters with Bai next year as I know she will love=20 them! We also rode Scooby's Haunted Ride, the log flume ride,=20 Plankton's plunge, and Danny Phantom's flyers, and I'm sure there=20 were others that I can't think of. And I did get too sneak on the=20 Beast for a ride(just walked on)and I still love that coaster! It's=20 still an 8 out of 10 for me. We had a blast at the waterpark too=20 and our newest addition, Bella(8 months) got too splash in the water=20 which kept her happy. So all in all we had a great day although I=20 do miss Kings Island being Paramount owned. I guess I just hate to=20 see so many parks in my area owned by Cedar Fair. Did get to see a=20 model of Diamondback by the exit and all I can say is WOW! That=20 ride looks awesome!! Can't wait to ride that one. We also spent a=20 day at an indoor waterpark near home which was a blast and a few=20 days at my Grandparents in IN. While in Indiana we checked out the=20 Mounds State Park in Anderson and I must suggest this to anyone with=20 kids if your in the area as it is a really nice park with really=20 nice trails. A little tough with a stroller though as there are a=20 lot of stairs(my wife loved me)Ha. There was also once an amusement=20 park there and they had some history on that so that was cool.=20=20 Anyway that was my trip to my amusement park this year. Hopefully=20 me and the wife can break away some Saturday afternoon to Waldameer=20 or Cedar Point but that may be wishful thinking!=20=20 From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 16:23:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97183 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 23:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 23:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 23:23:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63317 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 23:23:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QOddIOYVM1m1JYeVpb3M9nT_opHPMYPP_3bVsbOqLLFpeqewbdpJNRnbZgyrIZJD8e7JG219DSKfle4wXvsm3Wmm.0XDnKI6InWP39hzDYytKMWF40ZhN5i9ZTwAdTYJHLAzmicTgE0PE6uThJCOyKLm X-Received: from [66.213.50.2] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:23:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:23:17 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=VE44iv7Iejx8XP7ORMYnUu3C3RASXbHXk81ix9X-SvrtimPCYOVLVOHFPKPqTpX2 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With HW being a very family oriented park maybe they were looking for somet= hing big but family friendly as well.=A0 With the 45 degreee incline it wou= ld be easier to make the height requirement shorter allowing more families = to ride. --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces= Pilgrims Plunge To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:27 PM > I know that PP has been plagued with problems, but can someone tell > mehow they are related to the angle of the drop? Is it that the boats > cannot handle the steep angles? Is it the amount of forces put on the > structure by the pullout? I'm not sure I get it. Well, the major problem is that PP (and Hydro) threw people out of the boats. The steeper angle of the drops create more of an "ejection force" on the riders. I doubt, for instance, that there's much of a chance that a seated rider would fly out of a 45-degree drop while riding unrestrained. With Perilous Plunge, on the other hand, I can almost guarantee that you're a goner with no restraints. -Nate =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 16:26:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30364 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 23:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 23:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 23:26:01 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so91185wfc.20 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:26:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr191736wfg.323.1219879561456; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:26:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808271626s13e91bb9rc10ad07169f08d4d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:26:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=uwUPew1kzuLEN_jimFnmFTlwSboaogSdOQd4eu2tyGtdF1ePKg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my favorite drops on a log flume is waaaaay less than 45 degrees. It's Dorney's, and that thing reminds me of sliding down a staircase on a cardboard box. I love that. Josh On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:23 PM, wiley reed jr. < rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com> wrote: > With HW being a very family oriented park maybe they were looking for > something big but family friendly as well. With the 45 degreee incline it > would be easier to make the height requirement shorter allowing more > families to ride. > > --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nate Kohlrusch > > wrote: > > From: Nate Kohlrusch > > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces > Pilgrims Plunge > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:27 PM > > > I know that PP has been plagued with problems, but can someone tell > > mehow they are related to the angle of the drop? Is it that the boats > > cannot handle the steep angles? Is it the amount of forces put on the > > structure by the pullout? I'm not sure I get it. > > Well, the major problem is that PP (and Hydro) threw people out of the > boats. The steeper angle of the drops create more of an "ejection > force" on the riders. I doubt, for instance, that there's much of a > chance that a seated rider would fly out of a 45-degree drop while > riding unrestrained. With Perilous Plunge, on the other hand, I can > almost guarantee that you're a goner with no restraints. > > -Nate > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 16:26:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27440 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 23:26:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 23:26:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 23:26:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1612 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 23:26:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GBdeFpwVM1kdNM8NWjd98rEHDvEyGbnqoM5id15Ft2wts2RzZsNlBe7F26WlnOLXaU0DuLclxFEIvtfRiUXuLuH.lY8Yw.ejod8NrZ7ADbdqT8b7YpYPoVy_sYz08R1xiCMCvbrba9HX2F3p4nGzqHKM X-Received: from [66.213.50.2] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:26:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:26:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <139754.214.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Short TR: Kings Island X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=fFNMs1z1kUhZClgUHZHjhn1kitKLoL3IuTKjwUI530-Oq94ZXGRRK9dqMQIioIEK X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you get the chance to make it up to Waldameer you have got to ride Ravin= e Flyer II.=A0 It is worth the drive all by itself, let alone the fact that= the park has all the old charm that makes it a true classic. =A0 wiley --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Matt wrote: From: Matt Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Short TR: Kings Island To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:40 PM Had a change of plans for vacation this year due to gas prices and=20 slouching car sales(I'm a carsalesman) so instead of our trip to=20 Central PA and Knoebels, we ended up staying close to home. We=20 decided Kings Island would be good because of the kids area and also=20 because of the waterpark being included in admission. Although I=20 was bummed to not make it to Knoebels, we had a blast! The crowd=20 was extremely light(went on a Wednesday) and the weather was=20 awesome. My oldest daughter Bailey is six years old and was really=20 impressed how big the park was. We rode Avatar: The last airbender=20 about five times and that may have been her favorite ride. We also=20 rode the Fairly Odd Coaster which she loved and Dad thought it was=20 really cool too. It is so cool when your kids have the same passion=20 for something that you do. As soon as we got off the coaster she=20 wanted to know why there was only one big hill. I told her not to=20 worry next year she'll be able to ride some coasters with more than=20 one big hill as she should be 48" I'm hoping. We rode the Runaway=20 Reptar three times and that was pretty good too but it was a little=20 jerky. So Bai got a pretty good taste for some "real" coasters and=20 Dad got to add a couple more coasters to his nerdy track record=20 which now gives me 50. I know coaster chump. LOL. I can't wait to=20 ride some big coasters with Bai next year as I know she will love=20 them! We also rode Scooby's Haunted Ride, the log flume ride,=20 Plankton's plunge, and Danny Phantom's flyers, and I'm sure there=20 were others that I can't think of. And I did get too sneak on the=20 Beast for a ride(just walked on)and I still love that coaster! It's=20 still an 8 out of 10 for me. We had a blast at the waterpark too=20 and our newest addition, Bella(8 months) got too splash in the water=20 which kept her happy. So all in all we had a great day although I=20 do miss Kings Island being Paramount owned. I guess I just hate to=20 see so many parks in my area owned by Cedar Fair. Did get to see a=20 model of Diamondback by the exit and all I can say is WOW! That=20 ride looks awesome!! Can't wait to ride that one. We also spent a=20 day at an indoor waterpark near home which was a blast and a few=20 days at my Grandparents in IN. While in Indiana we checked out the=20 Mounds State Park in Anderson and I must suggest this to anyone with=20 kids if your in the area as it is a really nice park with really=20 nice trails. A little tough with a stroller though as there are a=20 lot of stairs(my wife loved me)Ha. There was also once an amusement=20 park there and they had some history on that so that was cool.=20 Anyway that was my trip to my amusement park this year. Hopefully=20 me and the wife can break away some Saturday afternoon to Waldameer=20 or Cedar Point but that may be wishful thinking!=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 17:25:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76826 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so102210rvb.33 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:25:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr348477rvj.282.1219883128679; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:25:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:25:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808271626s13e91bb9rc10ad07169f08d4d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0808271626s13e91bb9rc10ad07169f08d4d@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fq7toYcLs_mpTqMjapR6zQ-N-2RXieUDWwJ0Y9OcQ9lJSlIoMClPZ1g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > One of my favorite drops on a log flume is waaaaay less than 45 degrees. > It's Dorney's, and that thing reminds me of sliding down a staircase on a > cardboard box. I love that. Funny, that's how I've always felt about Magdum, jolts and all. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 17:32:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22873 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 00:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 00:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.248) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 00:32:14 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so177945rvb.30 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.42.10 with SMTP id u10mr372906rvj.141.1219883533818; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:32:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=8Di2TlYSVhUntAwIzQzsWs96ZcRh2mg69dEmXy-tWOdnnbOfNclKRrY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > With HW being a very family oriented park maybe they were looking for > something big but family friendly as well. With the 45 degreee incline it > would be easier to make the height requirement shorter allowing more > families to ride. Well, both Perilous Plunge and Pilgrims Plunge have 48" height requirements, so that can't be the case... -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 17:42:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61562 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 00:42:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 00:42:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.174) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 00:42:23 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so112715wfd.26 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:42:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.30.16 with SMTP id h16mr231946wfj.44.1219884142845; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:42:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808271742h59a9848cx4c596dde230db13b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:42:22 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=qUgzfyCO6uA0VPa-LF5HYAuLltE8ucEDmykbEKn2IS8DlgDKCA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For reference, the drop on Snake River Falls at CP: http://www.pointbuzz.com/Photos/Photo.aspx?id=7028&tag=snake+river+falls I'd say that's a pretty steep drop, no? It sure feels steep while on ride. It's 50 degrees. 45 doesn't seem so shallow, now does it? Josh On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > With HW being a very family oriented park maybe they were looking for > > something big but family friendly as well. With the 45 degreee incline it > > would be easier to make the height requirement shorter allowing more > > families to ride. > > Well, both Perilous Plunge and Pilgrims Plunge have 48" height > requirements, so that can't be the case... > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coastermanokc@cox.net Wed Aug 27 17:53:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53221 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 00:53:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 00:53:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.240.48) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 00:53:09 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080828005309.HMLX4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:53:09 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.229.222.119]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 7ct71a00J2bAdt802ct7po; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:53:08 -0400 To: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:53:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808271742h59a9848cx4c596dde230db13b@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AckIpvS3frx70UhnQEiUlnIdOYr6vgAAKo4g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Message-Id: <20080828005309.HMLX4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.48 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=JKbt54m2A-Fnth5kgC-YcagadUsy64o79-NJexkQGhnkRCKQnEMXSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Josh W wrote <45 doesn't seem so shallow, now does it? If I remember correctly the first drop of The Beast at Kings Island is of similar height and has the same drop angle so (even though I would not be able to ride it) it will provide enough thrill for the buck to satisfy riders. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 18:27:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74171 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 01:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 01:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 01:27:07 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so126610wfd.19 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:27:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.180.11 with SMTP id c11mr239511wff.159.1219886827294; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:27:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0808271827h4f4a23a5i5c22e83753cd8bba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:27:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080828005309.HMLX4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0808271742h59a9848cx4c596dde230db13b@mail.gmail.com> <20080828005309.HMLX4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=dSfzutQ5mIwZdUa3qAHixiILUzk9Rm0mIaK1JcGnZZqMbr55LA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive my ignorance, but why would you not be able to ride it? Josh On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Michael Lopez wrote: > Josh W wrote > > <45 doesn't seem so shallow, now does it? > > If I remember correctly the first drop of The Beast at Kings Island is of > similar height and has the same drop angle so (even though I would not be > able to ride it) it will provide enough thrill for the buck to satisfy > riders. > > Michael Lopez > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coastermanokc@cox.net Wed Aug 27 20:57:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69673 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 03:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 03:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao101.cox.net) (68.230.240.7) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 03:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080828035736.XOSH11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:57:36 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.229.222.119]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 7fxc1a0012bAdt802fxcZC; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:57:37 -0400 To: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:57:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808271827h4f4a23a5i5c22e83753cd8bba@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AckIrTIeBhg/NFjHQAOUm4kXXfVk0QAE6Kog X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Message-Id: <20080828035736.XOSH11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.7 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=Hd0U0dao1Ye66UHI-fKTnVas9V95C3hO9W6RW1COgTZ2B54sDO6usw X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Josh wrote >Forgive my ignorance, but why would you not be able to ride it? The short answer is my ears. During one of my many ear surgeries the doctor enlarged my ear canal partway down. Any water that gets in my ear will likely stay there, possibly causing an ear infection, which I cant afford to have happen. And even with ear plugs the risk is too high, even with earplugs I have to be careful while showering, plus the ride splash or forces could knock it out partially. So any wet rides at theme parks are perminately out for me. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 04:19:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89746 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 11:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 11:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 11:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 11:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 11:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 11:19:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:19:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080828035736.XOSH11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.182.54 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=giEjJa805-gksgW_pVipoI-DA-LMGxpUz6o47OpxPnuhHDhMoBxW X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The short answer is my ears. During one of my many ear surgeries=20 the doctor > enlarged my ear canal partway down. Any water that gets in my ear=20 will > likely stay there, possibly causing an ear infection, which I cant=20 afford to > have happen. And even with ear plugs the risk is too high, even with > earplugs I have to be careful while showering, plus the ride splash=20 or > forces could knock it out partially. So any wet rides at theme=20 parks are > perminately out for me. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Michael Lopez >=20 > I can relate. I've been partly deaf since I was a VERY young tot,=20 but have also been very susceptible to ear infections lo, these soon=20 to be 44 years. Ear plugs never really worked for me. I don't have a=20 problem with water rides, but being submerged in a pool or ocean has=20 the potential to mess me up. I, like you, have to shower with care.=20 If I do get a substantial amount of the wet stuff in my ear, I'll put=20 alcohol in to dry it up before any fungus forms. Shower caps, which=20 well-meaning people suggest, don't work for me either. Sometimes the=20 infection causes not only pain, but blockage..then I flush it with=20 warm water after putting some peroxide in. We do what we gotta do,=20 right? Mike=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Aug 28 06:49:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96143 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 13:48:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 13:48:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.239) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 13:48:58 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so361882rvb.13 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.137.8 with SMTP id p8mr735490rvn.163.1219931336932; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:48:56 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0808271742h59a9848cx4c596dde230db13b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0808271742h59a9848cx4c596dde230db13b@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=_KIaJBwN7yjGPfgFDt7C-KjrdeFSmeqQeW71Z3Yv8gJkuMo6nS0IGWI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > For reference, the drop on Snake River Falls at CP: > http://www.pointbuzz.com/Photos/Photo.aspx?id=7028&tag=snake+river+falls *Any* drop looks steep from a front-on viewpoint. > I'd say that's a pretty steep drop, no? It sure feels steep while on ride. > It's 50 degrees. 45 doesn't seem so shallow, now does it? http://rcdb.com/ig615.htm?picture=15 That's 60 degrees and looks like a ramp to me. Keep in mind that Pilgrims Plunge is a full FIFTY FEET taller than Snake River Falls and has a shallower drop. I think that's stupid and rampy. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Aug 28 06:52:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78196 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 13:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 13:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f13.google.com) (209.85.217.13) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 13:52:26 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f13.google.com with SMTP id 6so4688917gxk.16 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.54.6 with SMTP id c6mr2178816yba.223.1219931546199; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0808280652i79498fb4w3373746bb9b0b3d2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:52:26 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58596.60668.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0808271742h59a9848cx4c596dde230db13b@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=-cGCIxcMIYPO2EHkoGYhTfeCQPuDP8MGZOWQJybwLdgbFjg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "That's 60 degrees and looks like a ramp to me. Keep in mind that Pilgrims Plunge is a full FIFTY FEET taller than Snake River Falls and has a shallower drop. I think that's stupid and rampy." One might even call it, "Toomer-esque". Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 21:11:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73706 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 04:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:11:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0808280652i79498fb4w3373746bb9b0b3d2@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims Plunge X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=DQz8tfmAsYK9iM-Qtidpi2wS9XeT-bvHAzUCjBJ44RvWj6yoPg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Y'know... This thing's going to hit the water at over 50 miles per=20 hour. Beast is 10 feet taller and gets up to 63 mph at that same 45=20 degree max descent so I suspect this will be over 55 especially if=20 there's water pushing the boat from behind.=20 This is going to be pretty intense, giant ramp or not.=20 OBTW, ramplike, to me means that the maximum angle of descent is=20 constant over a large portion of the drop. I prefer my drops to be=20 curvy. ;) The only bad thing is this doesn't make me want to go out of my way=20 to get back to Holiday World. Chris=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy"=20 wrote: > > "That's 60 degrees and looks like a ramp to me. Keep in mind that=20 Pilgrims > Plunge is a full FIFTY FEET taller than Snake River Falls and > has a shallower drop. I think that's stupid and rampy." >=20 > One might even call it, "Toomer-esque". >=20 > Adam >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 06:05:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85233 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 13:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 13:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 13:05:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39383 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2008 13:05:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _NklonEVM1l3J6Bdt.1A2SoXLf7lBzqGUdVnkeOY1oTAXJ1Yo8ZwKtXC8cT.6sh_1sd2NU9DejbgimlimyOxVkfzCppNsC9WNxKnII6RMQ-- X-Received: from [72.79.202.130] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:05:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:05:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1219954521.17710.61174.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <90914.39117.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=C-B3aBa1sl5ajCB30HzLUqPHV14dHw5T9v-Ls_T___-roEw5AqYP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > That's 60 degrees and looks like a ramp to me. < The higher you go, the more rampy a constant drop looks. It's the pullout that give a drop that curve we all look for. I mean, X has a ramp for a first drop -- except it's a 90 degree ramp with a massive pullout at the bottom. Intamin's rides (i.e.: the Supermen) have just a very brief area where the drop is 70 degrees. The rest of the drop is all pullout. The same for rides like Maverick or Steel Hawg, where the initial drop is beyond 90 degrees. So, to sum up my random thoughts here, I think that Pilgrim's Plunge will indeed look rampy given its height. But I think it will work fine for the park, and actually make for a longer drop time. Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Aug 29 06:39:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85928 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 13:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 13:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.224) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 13:39:26 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so760167rvb.57 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:39:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.84.17 with SMTP id m17mr1516624rvl.48.1220017166336; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:39:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:39:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <90914.39117.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1219954521.17710.61174.m45@yahoogroups.com> <90914.39117.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=XWF9O6DcHoYzSoWrczsuD_60gjddAqUkF5yBZN8yPSf1794MspRfDiI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > That's 60 degrees and looks like a ramp to me. < > > The higher you go, the more rampy a constant drop looks. It's the pullout that give a drop that curve we all look for. I mean, X has a ramp for a first drop -- except it's a 90 degree ramp with a massive pullout at the bottom. You miss the point. A ride that's 75' tall is fine with a 60 degree drop. Putting a 60 degree drop on something like Goliath that stands 235' tall is just silly, IMO. All three Intamin hypercoasters in this country are shorter than that but have steeper drops. It's even more silly for the TALLEST shoot-the-chutes in the world to have the SHALLOWEST drop of all of them! Why bother to build a ride to high in the first place if you're not going to feel anything (aside from acceleration) in the first place? -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 29 06:57:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97628 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 13:57:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 13:57:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 13:57:00 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KZ4TA-0002q3-8l for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:56:56 -0400 Message-ID: <48B80025.8050509@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:56:53 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1219954521.17710.61174.m45@yahoogroups.com> <90914.39117.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825b4b7d5acaa617a65559439080fae034cfd02e81e1242b4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=IxbaDlw99reCiaEur1Niey2nkMsrqv-8nd2909GpSe5tv54 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > It's even more silly for the TALLEST shoot-the-chutes in the world to > have the SHALLOWEST drop of all of them! Why bother to build a ride > to high in the first place if you're not going to feel anything (aside > from acceleration) in the first place? Maybe, with the height, if they put the drop to much more inclined, the additional speed it would create might not be a good thing when it hits that water to make the wave. Essentially it's already creating a massive way from the collision that boat makes when it hit the water. You don't want that collision to be to fast or the rapid deceleration that the people in the boat feel may be a bit much. It's just a guess, but I do wonder if the fact that it's a water ride, as opposed to a regular coaster, that ends with a "collision" of boat and water at the end of the drop may have something to do with it. keep on ridin' George From bigmurph58@yahoo.com.au Fri Aug 29 07:02:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigmurph58@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58733 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 14:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 14:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 14:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 14:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 14:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 14:02:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:02:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 210.49.235.198 From: "bigmurph58" Subject: Hi From Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182222616; y=TARlK510Md4PWPp6Pawqg-lRRmjadEtRHI1tn4gbKFJNYDCSBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bigmurph58 Hi - not usually a contributor to this group, however I am dragging=20 my family to the USA on holidays in a couple of weeks. We will be=20 here for about 17 days, including 7 of those staying in Anaheim -=20 Intend to be doing Disney and Universal theme parks, as well as a=20 day tour of LA/Hollywood. However unsure whether it is worth going=20 to Knotts Berry Farm.=20 From what I have read and seen in various books and websites it=20 looks very similar to Dreamworld here in Australia - a great park=20 which I have been to numerous times. I am, however a big coaster=20 buff and my sons 14 and 16 don't mind the odd thrill ride of which=20 Knotts appears to have plenty of.=20 As I assume the majority of you hsve been to Knotts Berry Farm, your=20 thoughts on the park or whether our time is better spent elsewhere=20 would be much appreciated.=20 Also any other theme park reccomendations will be helpful - taking=20 into account our limited time and the fact we won't be driving. = =20 Thanks Greg=20=20=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Aug 29 07:24:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93147 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 14:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 14:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 14:24:48 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so771359rvf.24 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.29.21 with SMTP id g21mr1513626rvj.248.1220019888363; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:24:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48B80025.8050509@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1219954521.17710.61174.m45@yahoogroups.com> <90914.39117.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48B80025.8050509@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=VnRnjg-y_H_jKnrGqe8bWVha2AZSdJw7_9iJmScZITvjFX36kw5-g90 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Maybe, with the height, if they put the drop to much more inclined, the > additional speed it would create might not be a good thing when it hits > that water to make the wave. Essentially it's already creating a > massive way from the collision that boat makes when it hit the water. > You don't want that collision to be to fast or the rapid deceleration > that the people in the boat feel may be a bit much. Physics will tell you that (ignoring speed lost to friction) the angle of the drop has zero effect on the speed of a falling object. Accounting for friction, you're only looking at a difference in a few miles per hour. Further, Intamin has previously used magnetic brakes to slow boats before hitting the water on other shoot-the-chutes rides (Perilous Plunge, for instance). So again, I very much doubt this is the reason. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 08:14:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28313 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 15:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 15:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 15:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 15:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 15:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 15:14:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:14:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Hi From Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=NCcdW60OkJYN8TCd2av0Nu9y2VWLDbmWgi8O-_f31FHbJG0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bigmurph58" wrote: > > SNIP >=20 > From what I have read and seen in various books and websites it=20 > looks very similar to Dreamworld here in Australia - a great park=20 > which I have been to numerous times. I am, however a big coaster=20 > buff and my sons 14 and 16 don't mind the odd thrill ride of which=20 > Knotts appears to have plenty of.=20 >=20 > As I assume the majority of you hsve been to Knotts Berry Farm, your=20 > thoughts on the park or whether our time is better spent elsewhere=20 > would be much appreciated.=20 >=20 > Also any other theme park reccomendations will be helpful - taking=20 > into account our limited time and the fact we won't be driving. = =20 >=20 > Thanks > Greg I like KBF alot. Fortunately, it can be done (for the most part) in one day. Knott's has 9 coasters (one is for kids under a certain height). Yes, they do have thrill rides, but also a small assortment of "Family" rides. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 09:21:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17283 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 16:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 16:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 16:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 16:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 16:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 16:21:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:21:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Copyrights - Disney Says Don't Mess With The Mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Uimmlg2gaEYjcTQNNj3r72of-WS8lKi77Bt4ZSmy_zeyrH0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 29, 2008 Los Angeles Times The Tampa Tribune http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/aug/29/bz-disney-says-dont-mess-with-the-m= ouse/news-money/ By Joseph Menn GLENDALE, CA -- He is the world's most famous personality, better known in this country than anyone living or dead, real or fictional. Market researchers say his 97% recognition rate in the US edges even Santa Claus. He is the one - and for now only - Mickey Mouse. As Mickey turns 80 this fall, the most beloved rodent in show business is widely regarded as a national treasure. But he is owned lock, stock and trademark ears by the corporate heirs of his creator, Walt Disney. Brand experts reckon his value to today's Walt Disney Co. empire at more than $3 billion. Acts of Congress have extended Mickey's copyright so long that they provoked a Supreme Court challenge, making Mickey the ultimate symbol of intellectual property. All signs pointed to a Hollywood ending with Disney and Mickey living happily ever after - at least until a grumpy former employee looked closely at fine print long forgotten in company archives. Film credits from the 1920s revealed imprecision in copyright claims that some experts say could invalidate Disney's long-held copyright, although a Disney lawyer dismissed that idea as "frivolous." Although studio executives are not yet hurling themselves from the parapets of Cinderella's castle, the unexpected discovery raises an intriguing question: Is it possible that Mickey belongs to the world - and that his likeness is usable by anybody for anything? For the record, any knock-offs would have to make clear that they did not come from Disney or else risk violating the separate laws that protect trademarks. The potentially free Mickey is not the most current or familiar version of the famous mouse. Question Focuses On 'Steamboat Willie' Copyright questions apply to an older incarnation. Original Mickey, the star of the first synchronized sound cartoon, "Steamboat Willie," and other classics, had longer arms, smaller ears and a pointier nose. The notion that any Mickey might be free of copyright restrictions is about as welcome in the Magic Kingdom as an old hag with a poisoned apple. Elsewhere, the idea has attracted surprising support. "That 'Steamboat Willie' is in the public domain is easy. That's a foregone conclusion," said copyright scholar Peter Jaszi of American University's Washington College of Law. The issue has been chewed over by law students and debated by professors. It produced one little-noticed law review article: A 23-page essay in a 2003 University of Virginia legal journal argued that "there are no grounds in copyright law for protecting" the Mickey of those early films. Roger Schechter, a George Washington University expert on copyright, called the article's argument "a plausible, solid, careful case." By contrast, a Disney lawyer once threatened the author with legal action for "slander of title" under California law. Disney declined interview requests. A Flaw On A Title Card It all started when a former Disney archivist named Gregory S. Brown wondered: Whose name is on the original Mickey copyright? Brown went searching for flawed formalities - and found one. It was on the title card at the beginning of a "Steamboat Willie" cartoon. The key was location of the word "copyright" in relation to the name "Walt Disney." There were two other names listed in between - Cinephone and Disney's top studio artist, Ub Iwerks. Arguably, any of the three could have claimed ownership, thereby nullifying anyone's claim under arcane rules of the Copyright Act of 1909. A judge, however, tossed Brown's arguments. Then an Arizona State University law school student, Lauren Vanpelt, produced a paper agreeing with Brown. She posted her project on the Internet in 1999. A Georgetown University law student stumbled on Vanpelt's paper more than a year later. "I was intrigued," Douglas Hedenkamp said. Today, when courts rule on historical copyright issues, they follow the laws in place at the time - in this case, says Hedenkamp, the 1909 law requiring that the word copyright or its symbol be "accompanied by the name of the copyright proprietor" - a rule scholars said means in the immediate proximity. The authoritative "Nimmer on Copyright" says that a copyright is void if multiple names create uncertainty, and courts have agreed. Hedenkamp wrote to Disney's in-house lawyers, an attempt to satisfy his curiosity. Had he missed something? Or was there really a problem with Mickey's copyright? Disney legal advisers were not amused. General Counsel Louis Meisinger wrote back that it would be "inconceivable that any modern court would find any confusion about the identity of the proprietor of Mickey cartoons." Meisinger is now a Los Angeles County judge. Asked about the Hedenkamp article, Meisinger ignored an invitation to take up the argument again. "Everything has to fall into the public domain sometime," he said, then headed back to court. -------------- =A92008 Media General Communications Holdings, LLC. A Media General company From lance@screamscape.com Fri Aug 29 10:42:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88737 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 17:42:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 17:42:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0107.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 17:42:32 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0107.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438A5E32B5B for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm103.48ac740e.4c981d for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:42:28 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIuDUE5AxUUgIAAAAB,af8249bd2bad0add4909f80c196ee42b Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:42:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hi From Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=zj8-wQA6rfqzaInMJQx-wZTAWtODru5VvxyRbVVqloFP2V8J3QNIONj44g X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I love Knott's myself... and after moving from Southern California to Orlando the one park from SoCal that I found myself missing most was Knott's. Just a combination of the atmopshere, the rides, and of course I still miss The Haunt every October, whch is probably the best time to visit Knott's if you can arrange it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Hi From Australia --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bigmurph58" wrote: > > SNIP > > From what I have read and seen in various books and websites it > looks very similar to Dreamworld here in Australia - a great park > which I have been to numerous times. I am, however a big coaster > buff and my sons 14 and 16 don't mind the odd thrill ride of which > Knotts appears to have plenty of. > > As I assume the majority of you hsve been to Knotts Berry Farm, your > thoughts on the park or whether our time is better spent elsewhere > would be much appreciated. > > Also any other theme park reccomendations will be helpful - taking > into account our limited time and the fact we won't be driving. > > Thanks > Greg I like KBF alot. Fortunately, it can be done (for the most part) in one day. Knott's has 9 coasters (one is for kids under a certain height). Yes, they do have thrill rides, but also a small assortment of "Family" rides. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 06:31:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27818 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 13:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 13:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 13:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 13:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 13:31:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:31:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: HK Disneyland Adds Visitors But Funding Unresolved X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aDz_8i8ZUMytRSJ4lNI0Cl6qdQ7K1feVrzF5wEfLLmTuGWk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 29, 2008 Dow Jones Newswires Cable News Network http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200808290415DOWJONESDJO= NLINE000438_FORTUNE5.htm By Chester Yung LANTAU ISLAND, HONG KONG, CHINA -- More people are visiting Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL), indicating its marketing is starting to pay off, but Hong Kong (HK) and Walt Disney Co. have yet to resolve differences over funding an expansion. HK's government said last year it might inject funds into the park for an expansion, and although it has declined to discuss figures, the HK Economic Times reported Thursday that elements of an expansion now under discussion would cost HK$8 billion (US$1.03 billion). "We are still in talks with Disney about the expansion plan and we haven't set a time frame," a HK government information officer, who declined to be named, told Dow Jones Newswires. HKDL has missed attendance targets since it opened in September 2005, but the South China Morning Post reported Thursday attendance is expected to hit 5.6 million this year - finally reaching Disney's goal for the 1st year. Disney and HK won't provide attendance figures, although HK had originally hoped attendance would hit 6.5 million in 2008, according to a paper the government gave lawmakers when the park was in the planning stages. A Disney spokesman, who declined to be named, would say only that attendance has been growing. An academic who studies HKDL called the rising attendance "a good sign" but said it is premature to say the park is turning things around. "It's too early to say anything based on 3 years' figures. We need to look at the first 5 years for a better assessment," said John Ap, associate professor in tourism management at Polytechnic University. Simon Lee, founder of an independent local think tank, the Lion Rock Institute, said the improved attendance probably won't be enough to convince the government to fund an expansion at HKDL, the smallest of the Disneyland parks. "There are many burning issues such as high inflation that are on a higher priority than the park's expansion plan," Lee said. The park is owned 57% by HK and 43% by Disney. Although HK's investment in the park itself was US$417 million and Disney put up US$314 million, critics say HK cut a bad deal because taxpayers also paid US$1.74 billion for related infrastructure and land reclamation. ------------- Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. =A9 2008 Cable News Network. A Time Warner Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 06:38:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69326 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 13:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 13:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 13:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 13:38:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 13:38:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:38:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: GOSSIP: Miley Cyrus to Hold Fundraiser Birthday Bash at Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=s5OhXejn-ggW5M8mTGWa5m8isONhEh8wvX0W4d47jWD2CG4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 23, 2008 The Sun Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409327,00.html ANAHEIM, CA -- Teen sensation Miley Cyrus will celebrate turning sweet 16 with a huge party at Disneyland. The Hannah Montana star will shut down the Californian themepark for the day on Oct. 5 and is inviting fans to join her by paying $232 to raise money for charity. Miley, who will also belt out some songs, told "Entertainment Tonight:" "I love roller coasters so this is my ultimate birthday." She said the party will be "totally awesome." The 'Miley's Sweet 16 =97 Share the Celebration' bash will benefit 'Youth Service America', which helps improve the lives of young Americans aged 5 to 25. Explaining the decision to turn her celebrations into a fund-raiser, Miley said: "There's only one world and we got to take care of it." Tickets will go on sale on Aug. 30. ------------------ =A9 2008 FOX News Network, LLC. =A9 2006 News Group Newspapers Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 06:49:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30271 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 13:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 13:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 13:49:05 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 13:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 13:48:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:48:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 32 picketers arrested outside Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Yz0TvxIWVh_EPVBVzduofN3SiO1a48r3YRqbjlvGjfTUwAM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 08/14/2008 The Associated Press The Mercury News http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10206203 By Gillian Flaccus ANAHEIM, CA -- Cinderella, Snow White, Tinkerbell and other fictional fixtures of modern-day childhood were handcuffed, frisked and loaded into police vans Thursday at the culmination of a labor protest that brought a touch of reality to the Happiest Place on Earth. The arrest of the 32 protesters, many of whom wore costumes representing famous Disney characters, came at the end of an hour-long march to Disneyland's (DL) gates from one of 3 Disney-owned hotels at the center of a labor dispute. Those who were arrested sat in a circle on a busy intersection outside the park holding hands until they were placed in plastic handcuffs and led to 2 police vans while hundreds of hotel workers cheered and chanted. The protesters were arrested on a misdemeanor count of failure to obey a police officer and 2 traffic infractions, and were expected to be booked and released later Thursday, said Sgt. Rick Martinez of the Anaheim police. Bewildered tourists in Disney T-shirts and caps, some pushing strollers, filed past the commotion and gawked at the costumed picketers getting hauled away. The protest shut down a major thoroughfare outside DL and California Adventure for nearly an hour. "It's changing my opinion of DL," said tourist Amanda Kosato, who was visiting from north of Melbourne, Australia. "Taking away entitlements stinks." The dispute involves about 2,300 maids, bell hops, cooks and dishwashers at 3 Disney-owned hotels: the Paradise Pier, the Grand Californian and the DL Hotel. The workers' contract expired in February and their union said Disney's latest proposal makes health care unaffordable for hundreds of employees and creates an unfair 2-tier wage system. The union also said Disney wants to create a new category of part-time employees who would receive greatly reduced benefits. "The other hotels around the area all have health care that is provided by the boss and have been able to get wage increases," said Ada Briceno, president of Unite Here Local 681, which represents the workers. "At the other hotels in the same classification, for the same work, the workers get paid $2 to $3 an hour more." Disney spokeswoman Lisa Haines said that Disney and the union are in negotiations and nothing has been finalized. She said workers have protested 14 times but sat down to negotiate only 11 times in the past 6 months. "Clearly we're disappointed that Unite Here Local 681 has spent more time protesting," she said. "Publicity stunts are not productive and are extremely disruptive to the resort district." Before the arrests, the picketers marched and chanted outside Paradise Pier, holding signs that read, "Disney is unfaithful," and "Mickey, shame on you." They were joined by community activists and religious leaders from local churches. Luz Vasquez, who works in the bakery at DL Hotel, said she can't afford to lose many of her benefits. She said it's already hard to care for her 3 grandchildren and aging mother while earning $14.32 an hour. "DL is being unfair with us because we're fighting for our health care and they're trying to take it away," said Vasquez, 45. "They're trying to cut our hours and take away our seniority." Co-worker Diane Dominguez, 50, said she was worried about losing health care because of the heavy labor involved in lifting mattresses, moving furniture and making dozens of beds a day. She also said rising prices and the cost of gas were eating into her salary of $11.11 an hour. "The most important is health care. We need that and they want to take it away," she said. At the heart of the issue is a free health care plan that has been provided to Disney hotel workers through a trust fund that Disney and other unionized hotels in the area pay into. Briceno said that in exchange for the free medical plan, union members agreed in previous contracts to a lower wage for hotel workers in the first 3 years of their employment. But Disney now wants to eliminate the free health plan for new hires and wants to create a new class of workers who put in less than 30 hours a week, said Briceno. Those part-time workers would receive no sick or vacation pay and not be given holidays, she said. The company also wants to increase the number of hours full-time employees must work before qualifying for the health plan, she said. "At the end of the day what it means is that workers are going to be priced out of health care," she said. Haines said the majority of other employees at DL pay for a share of their health plan, even though the resort shoulders about 75% of the overall cost. She said it's important to negotiate a contract that's fair to those other unions, too. "We do remain hopeful that we can reach an agreement that's both fair and equitable, providing that union leadership is reasonable and realistic in its approach," Haines said. ------------- Copyright =A9 2008 - San Jose Mercury News From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Aug 30 08:33:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41461 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 15:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 15:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.239) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 15:33:06 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1163295rvb.11 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.136.5 with SMTP id j5mr2249551rvd.0.1220110386050; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:33:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] GOSSIP: Miley Cyrus to Hold Fundraiser Birthday Bash at Disneyland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=sMRwbJ6xgbJNNIzOsnQpjQejiMEVGoQGvFzPLy5MF9Xzn4MupWkIvsI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 ANAHEIM, CA -- Teen sensation Miley Cyrus will celebrate turning > sweet 16 with a huge party at Disneyland. > > The Hannah Montana star will shut down the Californian themepark for > the day on Oct. 5 and is inviting fans to join her by paying $232 to > raise money for charity. I believe this night is also Gay Day at DCA next door, which should be interesting. I didn't know MIley Cyrus was such a fruit fly. -Nate From zaldarff@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 18:54:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27257 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 01:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 01:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 01:54:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38677 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2008 01:54:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 334pZlQVM1kxwHjgBcY8qjvDnMgI4yGiL7VhwNvspwa8zuuNIRpdW2VsXnZuHLnqzHlE2KTs6YWl3pZGAjeGPEE.ObobQYFzwbUBkH3lhxwKMdwX01G.PFQdXqjfEGuvX3g- X-Received: from [69.229.99.117] by web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:54:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <780480.37344.qm@web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Santley Reply-To: zaldarff@yahoo.com Subject: Re:NEWS: Copyrights - Disney Says Don't Mess With The Mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=8gWlSaTLtr6BasrqQXxrJUTcsZO_i7hDqYEXNG9fejUGqyY X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IAs much as I enjuy Disneyland and all of it's cartoon friends, I think it'= s time for the "Disney" corporation to be disbanded seeing as there are no = longer any members of the Disney family involved. It wood be better to hand= it over to a nonprofit orgonization who would pledge to preserve maintain = the original park and it's asociated studios. Of course the Disney name wou= ld be prerved as well. As for the other parks and resort proporties, It may= be best to let each individual local community=A0government decide what dt= o do whith them since they are the ones who are directly effected. As for me, I've got dibs on the Matterhorn! Matty and I have ben friends mu= ch to long to risk a dismantlement. Besides, If I had my way Matty would bi= gger and better then ever. Of course I'd have to redesign it so I'd have a = nice little cave of my own. Oh well! One can dream anyway. =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Aug 30 20:16:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92432 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 03:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 03:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 03:16:43 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c35so250808anc.44 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.168.18 with SMTP id q18mr4736597ane.111.1220152603383; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0808302016v570aa9a3o85f893c31f7d25d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:16:43 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <780480.37344.qm@web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <780480.37344.qm@web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Copyrights - Disney Says Don't Mess With The Mouse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=5lGsFRHS6h8mMLBxNwNCrhKwW5n8iNK4tkV1rxaaD63NZB0 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska are you drunk or do you just not understand capitalism (and i dont mean the first letter of a sentance) On 8/30/08, Bill Santley wrote: > IAs much as I enjuy Disneyland and all of it's cartoon friends, I think it's > time for the "Disney" corporation to be disbanded seeing as there are no > longer any members of the Disney family involved. It wood be better to hand > it over to a nonprofit orgonization who would pledge to preserve maintain > the original park and it's asociated studios. Of course the Disney name > would be prerved as well. As for the other parks and resort proporties, It > may be best to let each individual local community government decide what > dto do whith them since they are the ones who are directly effected. > As for me, I've got dibs on the Matterhorn! Matty and I have ben friends > much to long to risk a dismantlement. Besides, If I had my way Matty would > bigger and better then ever. Of course I'd have to redesign it so I'd have a > nice little cave of my own. Oh well! One can dream anyway. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 08:20:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33708 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 15:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 15:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 15:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:20:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:20:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Theme Park Victim Wants Trial Moved Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=5Mo5c_gLG50wrPbV1jJ1Xb6W32yZWfutS64BznTNbD0GU_I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Aug 30, 2008 WLEX-TV http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D8926701&nav=3DEQlp LOUISVILLE, KY -- The family of a Louisville teenager whose feet were severed by an amusement park ride last summer wants to move up the trial date of their lawsuit against Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom. The attorney for the parents of Kaitlyn Lasitter filed a motion this week asking to expedite the trial, which is set for January 2010.=20 Last summer, the 14-y.o. was riding the Superman Tower of Power ride when a cable snapped and severed her feet. Lasitter's right foot was re-attached, but doctors could not save her left foot. ------------ Copyright 2003 - 2008 WorldNow and WLEX-TV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 08:26:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99088 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 15:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 15:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 15:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:26:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:26:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Water theme park opens at Kannur X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sNTfWrT6j8g7tw7mF11DN9GFMx98O4-PC7oyEZ7dTiQYlT4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8/31/2008 Times Now TV http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=3D14918 KANNUR, KERALA, INDIA -- A water theme and amusement park, the first such cooperative venture run by Kerala's ruling CPI (M), has been opened at the picturesque temple town of Parassinikadavu in Kannur on Sunday. In his inaugural address, party state Secretary Pinarayi Vijayan said that the setting up of the Rs 30 crore "Vismaya" Amusement Park, spread over 30 acres of land, indicated the growing influence of "cooperative movement" in Kerala. Kannur district occupies a prime place in the state having maximum number of cooperative units. Chief Minister V. S. Achuthanadan, who was scheduled to have inaugurated the park, could not make it due to indisposition. Opposing the "misinformation" campaign by certain quarters that setting up of the park would lead to depletion of ground water reserves in the area and result in ecological degradation, Vijayan said such "deliberate attempts" were aimed at misleading the public. In fact, the entire water requirement for the park is to be drawn from a rain water harvesting tank with capacity of 500 lakh litres, he said. "The park is not going to use ground water and those who spearheaded the "misinformation campaign" should realise their mistakes," Vijayan said. This sort of campaigns would create false apprehensions among the people and have a "negative" approach on developmental issues, he said. The project is managed by CPI-M controlled Malabar Tourism Development Cooperative Society Ltd (MTDC). The inaugural function was attended by Home and Tourism Minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan, Health Minister P. K. Sreemathi, local MPs P. Karunakaran, A. P. Abdulla Kutty, local MLA's M. Prakashan, P. Jayarajan, Ramachandran Kadannappaly and K. K. Shylaja. The newly formed Malabar Pleasures (India) Pvt Ltd would be responsible for running the park, MTDC Chairman and District Panchayat President K. K. Narayanan said. The park, said to have been modelled as per international standards, has a musical fountain and children's park, among other facilities. -------------- =A9 Timesnow.tv From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 08:37:41 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31218;u=;t=1220197136;m=268558428;s=3857568118; From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 08:39:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44543 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 15:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 15:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 15:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 15:39:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:39:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: India to set up theme park near Bhavani reservoir X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Uk43-Y2kZ_d794PWRWXifK5G9MpRw_BujqXlHQy5vXAw6CI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 30, 2008 The Hindu http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200808301059.htm ERODE, TAMIL NADU, INDIA -- A theme park would be set up opposite the Lower Bhavni Project Reservoir in the district at a cost of Rs 15 crores, a top Public Works Department (PWD) official has said. Principal PWD Secretary Adhiseshaiah, who visited the reservoir along with District Collector Mahesan Kasirajan, told reporters the park would have among other things water skating and artificial water falls. The existing park in the dam would also be developed. Already, a sum of Rs 7.65 crores had been sanctioned for the development of the dam and the works were nearing completion. --------------- =A9 2008, The Hindu From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 17:59:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75135 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 00:59:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 00:59:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 00:59:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40678 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2008 00:59:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R0jfPXgVM1nGzplBD7.ZMnvZ.BTSP6dmnapQckvYzi135bUQeEMUxJGxLj3aclR5BYeRr07_dtYvQQYLG5OM10VLlnn38JSaEX1WFXCaVlc3a2fwj7OFDKsIuwgh6ww- X-Received: from [72.79.202.130] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:59:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:59:15 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <200187.39416.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Hi From Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=1LCbo5_rcJhFcT9NH59BErgj3njcbs2VxhMPJ1bW5SjykHNrXYvi X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > We will be here for about 17 days, including 7 of those staying in Anaheim < You'll certainly have fun at KBF. I know your transportation options are limited, but it seems a shame to get all the way out to California and miss Six Flags Magic Mountain just to the north. Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 07:40:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29549 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:40:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Seabreeze Amusement Park helped by gas prices X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=hEAS2Mc5_Saw8MGKUeQM5oPgxpA7jBE32-j0h0j5vAyMi8A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 1, 2008 Rochester Democrat & Chronicle http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20080901/NEWS01/809010333/1002/= NEWS By Kate Perry ROCHESTER, NY -- As the season winds down at Seabreeze (SB) Amusement Park, it looks like higher gas prices may have actually helped one area business. Park President Rob Norris said the park is on track to meet or just beat the gross earnings of last year =97 a record =97 and some statistics show that staying local was on the mind of area residents looking for fun this summer. Season passport sales were up 15% this year and zip code surveys showed that the park was popular for people in nearby markets who might have forsaken a longer trip to Hershey Park, or Old Forge in favor of someplace a little more gas friendly. "We had good strength in Syracuse and Corning and we are starting to make in-roads in Buffalo," Norris said. The park is open today, Saturday and Sunday, and then it closes for the season. Norris, whose family has owned the park since the 1940s, said park leaders knew gas prices could factor into attendance this year and they tried to use that to their benefit. Some of their advertising materials, like billboards, implored people to take a "daycation" at the park, finding single-serving vacation fun at SB. On Sunday, the park was full of people splashing down waterslides and eating gooey pizza between rides. No one said they were at SB because it took less gas to get there, but most agreed that it was a nice perk of finding fun close to home. "It's a benefit, but I wouldn't say it's a huge motivation," said John Steiner of Ogden, who came to the park with 11 family members and friends. "We have 4 cars here today, so if it was somewhere farther, (gas) would have been a factor." Gates resident Kim Matava brings her three kids, ages 2, 4 & 6, to the park once a year. Sitting by the wave pool Sunday, Matava said she likes SB mostly because there are a lot of attractions for kids the age of hers, but she says that it's nice that it's nearby too. "It's better than Darien Lake," she said. "It's smaller and not as far." --------------- Copyright =A92008 Rochester Democrat & Chronicle From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 07:48:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13954 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 14:47:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 14:47:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 14:47:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 14:47:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 14:47:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 14:47:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:47:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Girl injured at Adventureland in East Farmingdale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=rLIM7iRe1I4NYmd3O6ICvb842cCOw4p4KohxjwJZ-_7GeuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 August 30, 2008 News Day http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-lipark305822604aug30= ,0,6579050.story By Susana Enriquez & Christina Hernandez FARMINGDALE, NY -- A 5-y.o. girl was injured at Adventureland in East Farmingdale Friday night after a prop fell on her, witnesses and park officials said. The unidentified girl was under a tightrope on which a skeleton rides a bicycle back and forth when the rope snapped and the prop tumbled onto her about 8 p.m., said witness Vincent Farina, 33, of Copiague, who was there with his family. A park visitor who said she was a registered nurse kept her head still while Farina talked to her to keep her awake, he said. "She was conscious, but she had no idea what happened to her," Farina said. "She kept asking, 'What happened? What happened?' I said, 'Remember the skeleton you seen when you were walking before? Well, it fell and it hit you.'" Witness Lisa D'Auria, of Howard Beach, said the girl was lying on the ground and crying. "It was scary," she said. "It really shook the park up." The area was cordoned off while the rest of the park remained open, said Sonny Grosso, the park's head of security and safety. The girl was taken to Nassau University Medical Center in East Meadow with lacerations, he said. "She was reaching for her mom and wide-awake," Grosso said. "Our prayers are with the family." Farina said park employees were slow to respond and didn't seem to know how to handle the accident. He said it took a half-hour for responders to arrive because there was confusion about what entrance they should use. "It didn't seem like they were trained for this," he said. "It's absolutely unacceptable." D'Auria said the staff appeared helpful and concerned. Grosso said employees are given "extensive training on ride operations and emergency procedures" and responded quickly. He said the ambulance arrived within 15 minutes and took the girl to the hospital 10 minutes later. The East Farmingdale Fire Department declined to say when it responded to the accident. The Suffolk County Police Department received the call at 8:06 p.m., a police spokeswoman said. Others have been injured at the park. In 2007, a 6-y.o. boy's hand was mangled on an attraction called Super Raider. In 2005, an 18-y.o. park employee died after he was run over by a roller coaster. 2 days later, a 45-y.o. woman died after she was tossed from a ride onto a car. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008, Newsday Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 08:01:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22418 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 15:01:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 15:01:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 15:01:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 15:01:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 15:01:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 15:01:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:01:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: HISTORY: Fred Ingersoll - Coaster designer deserves his due (long) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1Xpk5KPjrUJ4e9Yoxi2pfzShsicDLKS1fIqjikTBkWo_sZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 01, 2008 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08245/908516-42.stm By Marylynne Pitz & Patricia Lowry OAKLAND, PA -- If your summer included a screaming good ride on a roller coaster, you can thank a fellow by the name of Fred Ingersoll. In the "Pittsburg" of 1905, as fiery steel furnaces belched black soot into the air, this gifted entrepreneur opened a palace of amusements in Oakland called Luna Park (LP). This stately pleasure ground offered picnic pavilions, dance halls, a lagoon, a coaster-like boat ride called Shoot-the-Chutes, and performers such as Mademoiselle Novi and her triple-somersaulting automobile. Modeled after LP on NY's Coney Island, it boasted a hodgepodge of architectures ranging from Japanese to Moorish and was built at a cost of $375,000; re-creating it today would cost about $8.5 million. Ingersoll, the mustachioed genius behind this wonderland, went on to create the nation's first chain of 44 amusement parks and design or build 277 roller coasters. You probably have not heard of Mr. Ingersoll, even though he designed and built Kennywood Park's 1st Racer roller coaster, a 3-Way Figure-8 Toboggan. He ranked among the 5 most influential men when amusement parks exploded between 1899-1905, a time when 75 new parks were built each year. "He was very visionary in that he saw this as an industry, not just a collection of businesses," said Jim Futrell, author of "Amusement Parks of Pennsylvania." Although he was inducted into the hall of fame at the IAAPA in 1992, neither his former Downtown office on Fourth Avenue nor the Oakland streets where he opened the first of many Luna Parks in 1905 bear any reminders of his legacy -- not even a historical marker. (Sure, there's the Luna Lofts and the Luna Bar, but few locals or out-of-towners would make the connection.) "There's [a historical marker] for George Ferris [inventor of the Ferris wheel] on the North Side, and I think Ingersoll deserves one in Oakland," said Carl Hughes, retired chairman of Kennywood Entertainment Co. Long before the Six Flags Over Texas amusement chain arrived in 1961, Ingersoll replicated the Luna Park concept in as many American cities as possible, Futrell said. "At that time, the focus was on live entertainment, picnics and dancing. Rides were secondary," Futrell added. Ingersoll was born in New Jersey in 1874. By 1900, he was 26 and living in Glenfield, a small Ohio River community near Emsworth. He had a 25-y.o. wife, Katie, and 2 daughters, according to the U.S. Census of that year. His occupation was listed as "coin machine proprietor." A decade later, the 1910 Census listed Ingersoll as a "contractor -- amusements." By then, he and his wife of 13 years had moved to 6417 Bartlett St., a Squirrel Hill address that no longer exists. 1 of 5 brothers of German ancestry, Ingersoll started out by designing slot machines, then moved on to roller coasters and scenic railways. His family's rifle range, or shooting gallery, was at Liberty and Seventh avenues, Downtown. "Back in those days, they used live ammunition. We did at Kennywood for years," said Hughes. The coaster Ingersoll designed for Kennywood opened in 1902. The Street Railway Journal said the Figure 8 was made up of "10 massive, handmade-carved cars that are carried up a 70'-incline by a heavy chain. Attached to the sides of the cars are 'safety arms' which prevent the cars from running backward in case of chain breakage." The local LP, whose main entrance was near the intersection of Craig Street and Centre Avenue, was quite a sight in its day. At night it was illuminated by 50,000 electric lights. It looked "peculiarly rococo" and "imparted a garish, 'show-biz' exoticism" to the neighborhood, said architecture critic James van Trump. Although it closed after 5 seasons in 1909, several LPs remain in operation. There's Luna Loca in Mexico City, LP in Melbourne, Australia, and in Greece the LP is known as Ta Aidonakia. In Ingersoll's heyday, amusement park operators were looking for extra revenue, and new rides were one way to earn income. "Guys who built roller coasters learned by trial and error. If they didn't work, they'd tear them apart," said Torrence Jenkins of Denver, Lancaster County, author of the book "Herb Schmeck: The Forgotten Legacy." Schmeck mostly designed roller coasters for the East Coast. Ingersoll declared bankruptcy in 1911, listing liabilities of $179,668 and assets of 3 suits of clothes, valued at $75. He died in 1929. It's still possible to experience the world of Ingersoll. Drive out to Lakemont Park in Altoona and ride Leap-the-Dips, a Side-Friction Figure-8 roller coaster that is the world's oldest still in operation. Made by the Edward Joy Morris Co. of Philadelphia, Leap-the-Dips (LtD)is similar to the coasters Ingersoll designed; at the time, it represented state-of-the-art technology for wooden coasters. (Between 1884-1990, there were at least 1,750 roller coasters operating in North America; of those 250 were Figure-8s, according to "The 1991 Roller Coaster Directory" by Richard Munch.) LtD consists of a figure-8 course of track mounted on a wood trestle support structure, a station pavilion, a small storage shed for the two-seater sleigh-style coaster cars and a small shed that houses the chain motor. LtD was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1996. But if you go, don't expect the kind of thrills offered by the 82-mph Phantom's Revenge at Kennywood Park. The top speed for LtD? About 10 mph. ------------- Copyright =A91997 - 2008 PG Publishing Co., Inc. From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Sep 01 08:23:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6636 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 15:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 15:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.142) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 15:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 15:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 15:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 15:23:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:22:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.34.105 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=qrU4W3VcpIsD5cwxYLYTFMr7l1A6eEsJ3mHm-AxMe6k X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Maybe, with the height, if they put the drop to much more inclined, the > > additional speed it would create might not be a good thing when it hits > > that water to make the wave. Essentially it's already creating a > > massive way from the collision that boat makes when it hit the water. > > You don't want that collision to be to fast or the rapid deceleration > > that the people in the boat feel may be a bit much. >=20 > Physics will tell you that (ignoring speed lost to friction) the angle > of the drop has zero effect on the speed of a falling object. > Accounting for friction, you're only looking at a difference in a few > miles per hour. Further, Intamin has previously used magnetic brakes > to slow boats before hitting the water on other shoot-the-chutes rides > (Perilous Plunge, for instance). So again, I very much doubt this is > the reason. >=20 > -Nate > So then what is your problem with the angle? That it is constant or that t= he acceleration=20 will not be "big" enough? I suppose you will feel a little "lighter" going= down at a steeper=20 angel but that is only until the friction of the ride gets you back to a co= nstant velocity.=20=20 (Which will happen faster with a steeper angle.) Big angles are for market= ers to use to=20 market rides that suck. The physics of the situation is such that they are= almost=20 meaningless.=20=20 When John Allen revolutionized coaster design (http://history.amusement- parks.com/allenmain.htm) he realized that a CHANGING slope was the key to a= thrill. If=20 the ride got steeper and steeper you would feel less and less weight, givin= g you the idea=20 that you were going to fall of the edge of the world. (Parabolic hills goo= d!) That is a thrill=20 ride.=20=20 I have been on water rides with progressive hills they are not a cool as ro= ller coaster so I=20 have abandoned the type. As to the marketing. Most records that have been broken since the Beast (p= erhaps the=20 American Eagle) are meaningless. "Oh look I am going faster," so what? A = ride will only=20 be designed to allow a fixed amount of acceleration and that limit was reac= hed long ago. I=20 actually think Holiday world has done the right thing here and extended the= "time" of the=20 ride by keeping the drop shallow. The elevator will make the ride short as= it is, making=20 the drop longer will be better for the overall park feel because I will not= have waited in a=20 long line for a short ride. Holiday world has a nitch and they serve it we= ll. I don't think=20 they have done anything wrong here. jjloj From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Sep 01 15:04:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28557 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 22:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 22:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 22:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KaHVw-00028i-F2 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:04:49 -0400 Message-ID: <48BC66FD.2040200@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:04:45 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825b4b7d5acaa617ac27a567432940fcb36d1c262ed7399cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=QCNmZnlINNznGkCYCYE-jJRgW_7E-cO4Z1FRM6vmBI10s1s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Apparently some goober hopped the fence at SFMM to retrieve a hat they lost on Ninja and got whacked by passing train. They found him unconcious but breathing and sent him to the hospital. No word on his current condition. http://www.hometownstation.com/local-news/magic-mountain-ninja-2008-08-30-08-07-2.html Is it just me, or does it seem like there are more idiots hopping fences at the parks this year? Or maybe we're just hearing more about them... keep on ridin' George From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Sep 01 15:08:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99476 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 22:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 22:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 22:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bf2.37accc8c (29672) for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:08:02 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=SKjZNIeugRlXuUaEKRl8a2CAKznGKDZFmlYneCBb3sjy5m2a0A X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea, its either an epidemic going around, or fence hopping is a new sport at amusement parks this year. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Mon Sep 01 15:16:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38983 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 22:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 22:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 22:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0107C6BEFAD for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:16:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.48ac72c9.35b0a8 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:16:41 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIvGnJVKu0HAIAAAAB,e462e3828ff8cb1ae01f3ea2625be923 Message-ID: <9A488B27A9554A6992BA85448D9CCBB7@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <48BC66FD.2040200@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48BC66FD.2040200@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:16:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=-xtaisnSx53D1uE1i6kTFDYoZuJoe5HZvbxyMPKZ3rWqaJF3i_LqeLu4BA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I've got a couple of comments... 1) I'm thinking that we should ban hats on all coasters from now on. Honestly... almost every time a human is struck by a coaster it is because they were trying to get a lost hat back. It's beyond stupid. Even at SFOG... the first thing everyone assumed was that the guy was guying to get a hat back, even though he was really trying to take a shortcut from the parking lot back into the park... something even more stupid and illegal. 2) Think about this... for every new story we hear about someone jumping a fence to get their hat back and getting hit... just try to imagine how many times people are doing this kind of thing and not getting hit. Even if only 5% of the idiots who jump the fence are getting hit... then for every person getting killed, there are 19 more who jumped the fence this summer at SFMM to get a hat back and survived, with no one the wiser to tell the story. ----- Original Message ----- From: "george burnash" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] > Apparently some goober hopped the fence at SFMM to retrieve a hat they > lost on Ninja and got whacked by passing train. They found him > unconcious but breathing and sent him to the hospital. No word on his > current condition. > > http://www.hometownstation.com/local-news/magic-mountain-ninja-2008-08-30-08-07-2.html > > Is it just me, or does it seem like there are more idiots hopping fences > at the parks this year? Or maybe we're just hearing more about them... > > keep on ridin' > George > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 15:49:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36878 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 22:49:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:49:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.182.54 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=tzXOTspEzNWy1dG--59sWPaIitYFBVxE9QsC0MKiCub_eencDHer X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > Yea, its either an epidemic going around, or fence hopping is a new=20 sport at=20 > amusement parks this year.=20 I hear the IOC is considering it for 2012...they'll combine it with=20 fencing, and athletes will carry swords as they make the jump at the=20 park. Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find=20 your travel=20 > deal here.=20=20=20=20=20=20 > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=3Daoltrv00050000000047) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Sep 01 19:59:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29132 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 02:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2008 02:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nsmaster.badgerinternet.com) (207.170.26.132) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 02:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by nsmaster.badgerinternet.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with SMTP id 1276382 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:59:23 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 10963 invoked by uid 99); 2 Sep 2008 02:59:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20080902025931.10962.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 1 Sep 2008 21:59:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 99.153.133.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 207.170.26.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=ftE8DsqZtZyun8Var0dxK6GzntRdH6NxRMxjKH55o9wzPdj7 X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I have seen this same type of activity happen twice at SFGAm this season (and I have only been there six times). The latest one occurred when I was leaving the Batman-The Ride coaster last Wednesday afternoon. I saw a guy climb one fence and reach through a second fence to retrieve a White Sox baseball cap. The other incident occurred on the Superman Ultimate Flight coaster where another young man jumped the railing along the cueue line to retrieve a hat someone else lost on the ride. Dave Rounds > > Is it just me, or does it seem like there are more idiots hopping fences > at the parks this year? 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--YCalReminder=Y170TVtY7oGyJyp7OebpUIvOjYDS1220334625-1-- From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 06:33:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34411 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 13:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2008 13:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 13:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2008 13:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2008 13:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2008 13:32:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:32:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48BC66FD.2040200@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ldh_gvo1zM2NRZ-5rygqseVMqgQBHoB_Y6iviMIx2MzstTY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I'd say there's not enough chlorine in the gene pool. Actually, at Cliff's we have people take off there hats before the ride begins. Preferably, putting them on the side of the platform. But then again, The NM Rattler is only a one train operation. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > Apparently some goober hopped the fence at SFMM to retrieve a hat they=20 > lost on Ninja and got whacked by passing train. They found him=20 > unconcious but breathing and sent him to the hospital. No word on his=20 > current condition. >=20 > http://www.hometownstation.com/local-news/magic-mountain-ninja-2008-08-30-0= 8-07-2.html >=20 > Is it just me, or does it seem like there are more idiots hopping fences=20 > at the parks this year? Or maybe we're just hearing more about them... >=20 > keep on ridin' > George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Sep 02 09:37:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4839 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 16:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2008 16:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.232) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 16:37:24 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2261736rvf.41 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:37:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr4299581rve.98.1220373443716; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:37:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:37:23 -0500 To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=bo8GEZ-4SdsTvpxRdN7O0q9BjalrRrz9FJmKg6EXc4CWd5lHthmucjo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Some news not related to India... KANSAS CITY, MO =96 Deep in the woods of Worlds of Fun a dangerous predator lurks, ready to shred those fighting to escape the claws of the new PROWLER roller coaster. Beginning in spring 2009, guests at Worlds of Fun amusement park in Kansas City, Missouri, become prey to PROWLER, a beast of a wooden coaster tangled within the park's forested terrain. The two-and-a-half minute high speed chase begins with the ride's only feature above the trees' cover, a swooping 85 foot plummet into a ravine. After the spiral plunge, the train rips through a seemingly endless amount of high speed hills and sharply banked turns that hug the wooded land below. With a top speed of 51 MPH, riders grasped in the clutches of PROWLER carve a path with powerful but smooth changes of direction, speed, and elevation. Prowler is an $8 million investment and is located in the Africa section of the park near the Zulu thrill ride. The classic wood structure blends through a forest of unique terrain, creating a total elevation change of 102 feet throughout the course of the 3,074 foot ride. "PROWLER reinforces our dedication to being the region's leading thrill park and family entertainment destination," said Frank Wilburn, Vice President and General Manager at Worlds of Fun. "This wild roller coaster will attract both families and thrill-seekers when it opens this spring." PROWLER is custom designed and built for the topography of Worlds of Fun by Great Coasters International, Inc. (GCI) of Sunbury, Pennsylvania. The adventure begins when riders board one of two custom 12 row, 24 passenger GCI Millennium Flyer trains. These extremely comfortable trains feature a metallic blue, green, and copper color scheme with black seats and accommodate approximately 850 riders per hour. PROWLER is the seventh roller coaster at Worlds of Fun and is scheduled to open spring 2009. Construction is currently underway, but those who cannot wait until spring may take a virtual ride on PROWLER at worldsoffun.com. Visitors to worldsoffun.com may also access exclusive PROWLER updates and features, like a live construction Web cam, virtual renderings, ride statistics, construction photos, blog, and online fun. Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun are owned and operated by Cedar Fair Entertainment Company, a publicly traded partnership that is listed for trading on The New York Stock Exchange under the symbol "FUN." In addition to Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun, Cedar Fair owns and operates 10 other amusement parks, five other waterparks, one indoor waterpark resort, and five hotels. Cedar Fair also owns and operates Star Trek: The Experience, an interactive adventure located in Las Vegas, Nevada, and operates Gilroy Gardens Family Theme Park in Gilroy, California, under a management contract. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Sep 02 13:37:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87417 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 20:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2008 20:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 20:37:39 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so2060030rvb.21 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr4457904rvh.21.1220387859388; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:37:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=fWl2jcVx96_q_jZtQuEE5Q6HA9NPnmecwHrjXQbdc3dQ0n63zH_ahqE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > So then what is your problem with the angle? That it is constant or that the acceleration > will not be "big" enough? No, the problem is that although speed remains relatively consistent despite the drop angle, g-forces do not. This is going to be about as exciting as riding down an extremely long wheelchair ramp. > I suppose you will feel a little "lighter" going down at a steeper > angel but that is only until the friction of the ride gets you back to a constant > velocity. (Which will happen faster with a steeper angle.) Big angles are for > marketers to use to > market rides that suck. The physics of the situation is such that they are almost > meaningless. That's absolutely incorrect, and demonstrates a misunderstanding of physics. Compare the first drop of nearly any hypercoaster to the drop off the Beast's second lift. You're honestly going to tell me that they "feel" the same? There's ZERO airtime on the Beast's ramp drop because the angle of descent is too gradual. It will be a similar situation with PP - no feeling of dropping, just a sensation of steadily increasing velocity as the boat drops down the hill. > When John Allen revolutionized coaster design (http://history.amusement- > parks.com/allenmain.htm) he realized that a CHANGING slope was the key to a thrill. If > the ride got steeper and steeper you would feel less and less weight, giving you the idea > that you were going to fall of the edge of the world. (Parabolic hills good!) Yes. And if a ride's maximum angle of descent is just 45 degrees (especially one that stands 131 feel tall!), there's no way to create an effective parabolic hill. It's a ramp, plain and simple. > As to the marketing. Most records that have been broken since the Beast > (perhaps the > American Eagle) are meaningless. "Oh look I am going faster," so what? A ride will only > be designed to allow a fixed amount of acceleration and that limit was reached long ago. Why is the Beast the one special coaster that was the last to hold any meaningful record? That's ridiculous. Acceleration (launches aside) is always constant (no matter how tall the ride), so I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with your comment. Technically, we reached the maximum amount of acceleration when the very first roller coaster was built. We have certainly not reached terminal velocity (the maximum velocity a falling object is able to achieve), so I'm not understanding your point. Care to clarify? -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Sep 02 16:55:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15637 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 23:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2008 23:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 23:55:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76385 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2008 23:55:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U6sA3EMVM1kn.eKz2kG3ewzT8W0WTVT2QMVPXEzbvFokDrthx8_PtSuGqz1S_TeXs0PYBR7QtLXYsdkrQq2a7jjN5kis1snwFPNMaZ4_xdMfXH5cau2nGyA.d2jr8JgVjZM- X-Received: from [72.70.226.36] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:55:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:55:31 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1220374975.3246.63131.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <355170.76244.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=XWi0t_qHe8Vj3mPadqullDIeTs-OY_ijRrjG1LyPgSoAOUx8yUHU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'm glad to see that GCI is doing so well these days. They make great rides and have some of the best trains in the industry. For a while I was worried that they were going to get eclipsed by CCI, and later Gravity Works and S&S. But the company has been holding its own. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Sep 02 18:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62989 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2008 01:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2008 01:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 01:19:15 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1980859rvb.15 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.157.9 with SMTP id f9mr2788498wfe.311.1220404754757; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0809021819w1180aeecl36d3076e5bc12e49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:19:14 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <355170.76244.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1220374975.3246.63131.m45@yahoogroups.com> <355170.76244.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.229 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=fYPeoD7HvfvGTgcAOxknMwKNDxAFNNIyjNn4T-WqdxakOXJdQA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still think Gravity Group makes the superior ride. Every one of them has just been over-the-top fun, with a (sometimes large) dash of intensity that I really like. Just me though, I don't count for much. :) Josh On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > I'm glad to see that GCI is doing so well these days. They make great > rides and have some of the best trains in the industry. For a while I was > worried that they were going to get eclipsed by CCI, and later Gravity Works > and S&S. But the company has been holding its own. > > Jay > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Sep 02 21:00:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47774 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2008 03:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2008 03:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 03:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2008 03:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2008 03:59:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:59:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.34.105 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=30h95wOB7ULQZ_7ClfxNVjHivi_kOL0pCBUCpS2fFYk X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > So then what is your problem with the angle? That it is constant or tha= t the=20 acceleration > > will not be "big" enough? >=20 > No, the problem is that although speed remains relatively consistent > despite the drop angle, g-forces do not. This is going to be about as > exciting as riding down an extremely long wheelchair ramp. Yes the minimum g's on a 45 degree slope will be less then the minimum g's = on a steeper=20 but you trade magnitude for time. You will be lighter longer on a shallowe= r slope. You=20 will weight more but you will feel it longer. This is a valid design thoug= ht.=20=20 Are you saying that being duct taped to wheelchair and sent down a 45 degre= e ramp until=20 you reached a speed of say 50 mph wouldn't get your blood pumping? I have = a pulse=20 monitor, lets try it. >=20 > > I suppose you will feel a little "lighter" going down at a steeper > > angel but that is only until the friction of the ride gets you back to = a constant > > velocity. (Which will happen faster with a steeper angle.) Big angles a= re for > > marketers to use to > > market rides that suck. The physics of the situation is such that they = are almost > > meaningless. >=20 > That's absolutely incorrect, and demonstrates a misunderstanding of physi= cs. I have a masters degree in physics. I don't think it is a miss understandi= ng... If the steepness of the angle is the only thing that counts go ride drop ri= des.=20=20 >=20 > Compare the first drop of nearly any hypercoaster to the drop off the > Beast's second lift. You're honestly going to tell me that they > "feel" the same? There's ZERO airtime on the Beast's ramp drop > because the angle of descent is too gradual. It will be a similar > situation with PP - no feeling of dropping, just a sensation of > steadily increasing velocity as the boat drops down the hill. Air time is like sugar. Coaster riders with no pallet think it is the only= thing that makes a=20 good meal, they are wrong.=20=20 As to the Beast's second hill. It is straight, that is to say it has an al= most constant slope.=20=20 This has two purposes the first is to efficiently get you the most speed po= ssible by=20 keeping the friction in check and conserving energy. The second is to show= you the helix=20 and make you wish you had a way to get off before your neck gets snapped. = A variable=20 slope hill would waist energy "bouncing" the train up an down, so you would= n't have as=20 much speed into the helix. Most sky divers I talk to say you have about 3 seconds of weightlessness pr= ior to hitting=20 terminal. They are probably not completely correct on that as you approach= terminal very=20 slowly. As a matter of what most people can detect with their senses they = are dead on,=20 you have three seconds then the resistance is going to put you at a basical= ly constant=20 velocity and resistance forces are going to hold up you weight just like th= e ground does, so=20 no air time. What coasters do to (historically) correct this is to start s= hallow bend the drop=20 so that the car can continue to gain speed through the descent.=20=20 So a constant slope will produce a constant velocity and then no air time. = If it is 90=20 degrees like a skydiver or 30 degrees like a kiddy ride you will get to a c= onstant velocity=20 as friction, etc. balance gravity.=20=20 Yes the higher you go the faster you can get going. But look at what it ta= kes. The=20 American Eagle was going over 65 mph with less then a 150 ft drop. The Mil= lennium=20 Force gets you 91 mph for over 300 ft. In the bottom 150 ft you get only 2= 5 mph. You=20 can't be accelerating all that fast now can you? It you are not much in th= e way of "air time"=20 at such low accelerations.=20=20 >=20 > > When John Allen revolutionized coaster design (http://history.amusement= - > > parks.com/allenmain.htm) he realized that a CHANGING slope was the key = to a thrill.=20 If > > the ride got steeper and steeper you would feel less and less weight, g= iving you the=20 idea > > that you were going to fall of the edge of the world. (Parabolic hills = good!) >=20 > Yes. And if a ride's maximum angle of descent is just 45 degrees > (especially one that stands 131 feel tall!), there's no way to create > an effective parabolic hill. It's a ramp, plain and simple. >=20 Sure there is the arc of the parabola doesn't need to have a slop of "-1" (= 45 degrees) at=20 any given point. y =3D -x*x will give you a slope -1 at 1 unit of distance= . If you say y =3D - .25 x*x then you will have a slope of -1 at 2 units distance. Depending on= what you mean=20 by the word "effective" your statement doesn't seem to have a grasp of the = obvious. > > As to the marketing. Most records that have been broken since the Beast > > (perhaps the > > American Eagle) are meaningless. "Oh look I am going faster," so what? = A ride will=20 only > > be designed to allow a fixed amount of acceleration and that limit was = reached long=20 ago. >=20 > Why is the Beast the one special coaster that was the last to hold any > meaningful record? That's ridiculous. Acceleration (launches aside) > is always constant (no matter how tall the ride), so I'm not sure what > you're trying to imply with your comment. Technically, we reached the > maximum amount of acceleration when the very first roller coaster was > built. We have certainly not reached terminal velocity (the maximum > velocity a falling object is able to achieve), so I'm not > understanding your point. Care to clarify? > Sigh. Air time is the feeling of a "lack of acceleration." You feel "ligh= ter" as you fall=20 because you are no longer supporting you weight. The real acceleration of= a roller=20 coaster comes from the turns. Have you heard the word "lateral" in front o= f the work=20 acceleration?=20=20 To keep is simple if one is moving in a circle then the acceleration one fe= els (a) equals the=20 velocity squared divided by the radius. Now this does mean that going 10 m= eters per=20 second around a 10 meter circle will give you the same acceleration (10 m/s= /s) as going 4=20 meters per second around a 1.6 meter circle(10 m/s/s). No coasters exceed = say 6 g's and=20 most are under 3. It is of no mater, if I am building a coaster I could ge= t 6 g's out of a 20=20 mph pass through a tight turn just like I could on an 80 mph coaster. To t= he point "hyper=20 coasters" of a big waist of time because the only time they exceed 1 g is a= t pull outs at the=20 bottom of the hills. They are acceleration deficient. Don't get me wrong = they have there=20 place but the "records" for tallest and fastest, etc. are meaningless marke= ting. Except for the wind in you face and the optical effects you cannot feel vel= ocity therefor=20 speed is only good to a point. What do get with velocity is endurance on t= he coaster. It=20 will take longer to slow down so can get more elements put on the back end = because I=20 have more energy to expend on them. I happen to think that optimal point i= s about 60=20 mph say 25 m/s. Any faster and you are not really going to gain much "stay= ing time" as=20 your wind resistance is just to high. Another problem is you have to make = the radius of=20 curvature on the elements so long that you run past lots of track (slowing = down all the=20 time) to get the same 2.5 g turn that you could have gotten with less const= ruction at a=20 slower speed with a smaller radius. As such the American Eagle with its to= p speed was=20 probably the last one to hold a meaning full record for that item. All coa= sters that go=20 faster simply slow down quicker to little effect.=20=20=20=20 If you don't like it because it "looks" like a ramp that is your opinion an= d you are entitled. If you don't like it because its slope is constant for too long then fine; = that was my=20 reaction to the video. My original question still stands:So then what is your problem with the ang= le? That it is=20 constant or that the acceleration will not be "big" enough? jjloj =20 > -Nate > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Sep 02 21:42:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36835 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2008 04:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2008 04:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.243) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 04:42:12 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so3180116rvb.14 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:42:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.164.1 with SMTP id m1mr4662731rve.69.1220416932209; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:42:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:42:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=OgpbYzaE7m21CsEl7f47b3TylqAPWf8Az4KmNi8StIRK4JGyCbWO8R0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Yes the minimum g's on a 45 degree slope will be less then the minimum g's > on a steeper > but you trade magnitude for time. You will be lighter longer on a shallower > slope. You > will weight more but you will feel it longer. I don't think think that's at all true. There will be a *brief* period of low g-forces as the boat drops. But as soon as it hits that constant 45* angle, the feeling of low g-forces is over. You'll ride down the rest of the drop feeling essentially the same amount of g-forces that you do sitting in your chair in front of your computer. With a steeper parabolic drop, you're going to feel less g-forces and for a longer amount of time (until the boat hits the pullout). > Are you saying that being duct taped to wheelchair and sent down a 45 degree > ramp until > you reached a speed of say 50 mph wouldn't get your blood pumping? I have a > pulse > monitor, lets try it. If it was on a track with brakes on the bottom and my safetly guaranteed? No, that would not get my blood pumping...for the same reason why riding a fast elevator down 30 stories doesn't excite me. > If the steepness of the angle is the only thing that counts go ride drop > rides. No, that's not the only thing that counts, and my post never indicated I felt that way. > Air time is like sugar. Coaster riders with no pallet think it is the only > thing that makes a > good meal, they are wrong. Again, my post never indicated I felt that way. > As to the Beast's second hill. It is straight, that is to say it has an > almost constant slope. Just like Pilgrim's Plunge. The Beast's drop is only effective because of the theatrics you mentioned. Pilgrim's Plunge will just be unexciting. > As a matter of what most people can detect with their senses they > are dead on, > you have three seconds then the resistance is going to put you at a > basically constant > velocity and resistance forces are going to hold up you weight just like the > ground does, so > no air time. From my experience riding some of the taller drop rides, that's not correct. Kings Dominion's Drop Tower falls for about 4 seconds before it hits the brakes, and you can feel every second of it. That's not to say that it's not true that there isn't a point where you no longer feel "air time", but that I don't believe we have reached that point with drop towers. We may have with rides like Kingda Ka and TTD; I don't have enough experience with them to state for certain. > Yes the higher you go the faster you can get going. But look at what it > takes. So what's your point? We should have just stopped building rides at some arbitrarily chosen point because of higher air resistence at higher speeds? That's an odd argument. >> Yes. And if a ride's maximum angle of descent is just 45 degrees >> (especially one that stands 131 feel tall!), there's no way to create >> an effective parabolic hill. It's a ramp, plain and simple. > Sure there is the arc of the parabola doesn't need to have a slop of "-1" > (45 degrees) at > any given point. y = -x*x will give you a slope -1 at 1 unit of distance. If > you say y = - > .25 x*x then you will have a slope of -1 at 2 units distance. Depending on > what you mean > by the word "effective" your statement doesn't seem to have a grasp of the > obvious. By effective, I mean one that maximizes "air time" (the feeling of falling). Take Millennium Force, for example. It has a very well-designed parabolic drop that is "effective" because it mimics the path of a falling object. Now imagine Intamin had constructed Millennium Force's drop with a 45 degree maximum angle of descent. It can still be parabolic, sure, but the parabola is so wide (gradual) that all feeling of weightlessness is lost because of such gradual acceleration. It'd be a silly choice to build such an enormous ride with such a shallow drop, and yet that's what's been done here. > No coasters exceed > say 6 g's and > most are under 3. It is of no mater, if I am building a coaster I could get > 6 g's out of a 20 > mph pass through a tight turn just like I could on an 80 mph coaster. To the > point "hyper > coasters" of a big waist of time because the only time they exceed 1 g is at > pull outs at the > bottom of the hills. They are acceleration deficient. Don't get me wrong > they have there > place but the "records" for tallest and fastest, etc. are meaningless > marketing. Not exactly true. With a well designed drop (see my discussion of MF above), hypercoasters allow for longer periods of sustained vertical g-forces. A 60' tall ride can only deliver a feeling of low G-forces for a set period of time because the hills and drops can only be so big. Assuming both are well-designed parabolas that maximize "airtime", 300' drop will provide a longer feeling of weightlessness than a 60' drop. That's clearly not always the case in practice, but the potential is always there. > My original question still stands:So then what is your problem with the > angle? That it is > constant or that the acceleration will not be "big" enough? I believe I addressed that in my very first sentence. My problem is with both - it's rampy (vs parabolic) and it's shallow. What people seem to be missing is that these two flaws are related. You could certainly create a parabolic drop with a 45-degree angle, but it's going to be just as unexciting. That is, it's not "effective" because it does not mimic the natural path of a falling object (which was the point of parabolic hills in the first place) and therefore there will be little airtime. It "should have" been both steeper and parabolic. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Sep 02 21:47:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59673 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2008 04:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2008 04:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.232) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 04:47:31 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so2344314rvb.35 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:47:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.199.3 with SMTP id w3mr4664010rvf.67.1220417251714; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:47:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:47:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0809021819w1180aeecl36d3076e5bc12e49@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1220374975.3246.63131.m45@yahoogroups.com> <355170.76244.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0809021819w1180aeecl36d3076e5bc12e49@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=DiyOLNbuH5NuMC7lVTlORHdFT-di2LRtTb_SD55efUGsQ9VPyQ6EWZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I still think Gravity Group makes the superior ride. Every one of them has > just been over-the-top fun, with a (sometimes large) dash of intensity that > I really like. Agreed. I think GCI rides are largely overrated. They're extremely visually appealing, and yes, the Millennium Flyers track beautifully. But their rides feel too restrained, too controlled, and too oddly meandering for me. I believe the trains may play a big part in this (I've heard Hershey's Wildcat lost a lot of its edge with the conversion to Millennium Flyers), but I also believe their rides are a bit too conservative for my taste. I don't think they're "bad" rides in any way - I think GCI is the B&M of wooden coasters - but they're not what I prefer. For me, I usually find their rides are a bit more pleasurable to look at than they are to ride. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Wed Sep 03 03:44:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27283 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2008 10:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2008 10:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 10:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E8E3C5DFE for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 03:44:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.48ac72c9.3c1338 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 03:44:26 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIvmqK44it6AIAAAAB,edc0b6965ea86926128cf1d61ed56742 Message-ID: To: References: <1220374975.3246.63131.m45@yahoogroups.com> <355170.76244.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0809021819w1180aeecl36d3076e5bc12e49@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:44:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=u-3giJAYsyUnnQP6Tva-RR2mM4JwZVUuvWherVhDFdv1lNhe1pjBWe24Yg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Agreed. I think GCI rides are largely overrated. They're extremely > visually appealing, and yes, the Millennium Flyers track beautifully. > But their rides feel too restrained, too controlled, and too oddly > meandering for me. I can see some of what you say in the earlier GCI designs, but have you been on Thunderhead? If not, that one may change your mind. Thunderhead felt like a GCI unchained... especially at night as it felt completely out of control. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Sep 03 07:14:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94432 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2008 14:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2008 14:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 14:14:12 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so2547954rvf.20 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.165.21 with SMTP id n21mr4915820rve.244.1220451252180; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.87.6 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:14:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1220374975.3246.63131.m45@yahoogroups.com> <355170.76244.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0809021819w1180aeecl36d3076e5bc12e49@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Cn_GUnLy4l18P1O2Ok99IigMNcC-wOS90FoBbDYgdzm3YJ7jaB4QUGM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I can see some of what you say in the earlier GCI designs, but have you > been on Thunderhead? If not, that one may change your mind. Thunderhead > felt like a GCI unchained... especially at night as it felt completely out > of control. Yeah, I've been on both Thunderhead and Kentucky Rumbler. They were both very decent rides - I'd even say that Thunderhead is quite good - but neither comes close to the insanely excellent rides the Gravity Group has been building. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 07:46:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86432 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2008 14:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2008 14:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 14:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2008 14:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2008 14:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2008 14:46:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:46:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Is the ride at Coney Island really over this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=sOOshVv_nzdGBu_BemES-Z5pXR1hGKpD_0TBI4MKGrUIp4U X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 02 September 2008 The Associated Press http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hZr5YjZpEYF61DYDjYn7KMnJkilQD92U6JOG0 By Verena Dobnik BROOKLYN, NY -- This summer could mark the end of Coney Island's historic Astroland amusement park. But years of back-and-forth bickering among a developer, city officials and ride operators over the park's future leaves residents wondering =97 is the closure threat real this time? The owner of Astroland, near the Brooklyn boardwalk, says she'll shut down Sunday for good if the landowner doesn't offer a 2-year lease. Carol Albert, who sold the land in 2006 to Joseph Sitt's Thor Equities, says park employees need more job security. "They're emotional wrecks =97 it's hard to live on a precipice like this," says Albert, adding that several workers resigned recently. Coney Island, once billed as "America's Playground," was the most popular resort destination in the country in the early part of the 20th century. It evolved into an entertainment fixture, alongside 2 other local creations: the hot dog and the roller coaster. Albert's father-in-law, Dewey Albert, unveiled the outer-space-themed Astroland park in 1962. Now looking ahead to its 47th summer season, Astroland has 75 year-round employees and 275 seasonal workers. Last year, the city announced a sweeping redevelopment plan for 47 acres of the shabby old Brooklyn seafront. Part of the plan detailed a 15-acre amusement park, with Sitt deciding whether the Astroland rides could stay on its property. Thor, which owns 11 acres of Coney Island, had planned to break ground next year on a $1.5 billion complex including high-rise hotels, retail stores, movie theaters, an indoor water park and New York's first new roller coaster since the landmark wooden Cyclone was built 75 years ago. Officials this year suddenly shrank the amusement zone to 9 acres because property owners =97 mainly Sitt =97 would not give up the extra tracts of waterfront for the city-proposed park. That angered community activists, who accused the developer and the city of trying to over-gentrify the so-called workingman's Riviera, where visitors can still find freak show attractions such as a fire eater and the Human Blockhead, who drives a drill into his face. Last fall, Thor and Astroland agreed to a 1-year lease extension that expires Jan. 31. There have been no face-to-face talks this year, Albert said. She now wants a lease for the summers of 2009 & 2010, since she believes the earliest Thor could break ground on new development would be in 2 years. Construction could begin as soon as the City Council approves a zoning change that would allow an amusement-only area to be used for other commercial purposes =97 a process that could take more than a year and involve public hearings capped by a council vote. Lynn Kelly, president of Coney Island Development Corp., reprimanded Thor for shrinking the amusement district. In a statement released Monday, Kelly blamed real estate speculators for accelerating Coney Island's downward spiral by furthering their own interests. A spokesman for Thor Equities did not return a call for comment Monday. No matter what happens, the storied Cyclone roller coaster and the Wonder Wheel are not leaving Coney Island anytime soon =97 they're designated as city historic landmarks. ------------ Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press From lance@screamscape.com Wed Sep 03 09:04:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64749 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2008 16:04:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2008 16:04:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0107.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2008 16:04:06 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0107.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DD6B2D696 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.48ac72c9.3d29b6 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:04:05 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIvrV12E+p8gIAAAAB,3c2622cef86115682084c6f2efd0e078 Message-ID: <46BA9E74B90B4EA89A1983BACB576CA9@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <1220374975.3246.63131.m45@yahoogroups.com> <355170.76244.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <76e1ec0a0809021819w1180aeecl36d3076e5bc12e49@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:04:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=N9zghTsYahiO1H5iKYiOvbUy8BZlLpkcJ_2CS0-LnyoGkv3RbVTatijxJg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Yeah, I've been on both Thunderhead and Kentucky Rumbler. They were > both very decent rides - I'd even say that Thunderhead is quite good - > but neither comes close to the insanely excellent rides the Gravity > Group has been building. I can't comment there as I've yet to ride a Gravity Group coaster. Maybe in 2009 i'll get on The Voyage finally... From zaldarff@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 18:06:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9255 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 01:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 01:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 01:05:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68292 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2008 01:05:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eVGhMLoVM1mISA0D0W8rmbkst9D5mCbSvdfbuuXV6jM0a0Pdw9dDNn8IKsnPjOP44BKqrAyrgBBJNsY6nQ4DUU8GbrPzHfnXTzjf9tuWBw-- X-Received: from [69.229.99.117] by web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:05:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:05:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <600477.68116.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Santley Reply-To: zaldarff@yahoo.com Subject: Re: News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=pNUd65zmDE2YC5mmHEpp5hyTZqdXXjCmIDah__E9eVhI5tk X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard of mad matters but this is going abit too far! I actually hate w= earing hats unless it's a real emergency.=20 In hopes of quelling this dreaded disease of the hat retreaver I duve this = new epidemic as "Mad Hatter Cyndrome!" I'm afrade the only cure for Mad Hat= ter Cyndrome is bo ban had inside parks unless the costumer signs a waver u= pon entry stating that they are fully responsible for such items though I h= ave to admit that my so-called cure is rather flawed. As far as jumping fences goes, It might be agood idea for parks to have mov= ible walls that reach the high of the current fences.Once these walls at in= place then add another 6to 7 feet of etra fencing ontop of these walls. th= at way any ideas of a shrtcut would be ssquoshed. I don't know, It seems li= ke a good idea. If anyone else has any suggestions I'm all ears. =A0 Bill=A0 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Sep 03 18:27:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4076 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 01:27:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 01:27:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 01:27:03 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so3112505wfg.23 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.192.11 with SMTP id p11mr3304213wff.276.1220491623497; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0809031827l759c69e2n820daa10d899c166@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:27:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <600477.68116.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <600477.68116.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=QXa8e9ECZXbeHO14oum-2_nZZ9QtprhScERksafI8g1700Jhmg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh. OK. I like wearing hats, thank you. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Bill Santley wrote: > I've heard of mad matters but this is going abit too far! I actually > hate wearing hats unless it's a real emergency. > In hopes of quelling this dreaded disease of the hat retreaver I duve this > new epidemic as "Mad Hatter Cyndrome!" I'm afrade the only cure for Mad > Hatter Cyndrome is bo ban had inside parks unless the costumer signs a waver > upon entry stating that they are fully responsible for such items though I > have to admit that my so-called cure is rather flawed. > As far as jumping fences goes, It might be agood idea for parks to have > movible walls that reach the high of the current fences.Once these walls at > in place then add another 6to 7 feet of etra fencing ontop of these walls. > that way any ideas of a shrtcut would be ssquoshed. I don't know, It seems > like a good idea. If anyone else has any suggestions I'm all ears. > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Sep 03 20:42:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64657 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 03:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 03:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 03:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2008 03:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2008 03:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2008 03:41:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:41:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=Gvrs4paNoNh3PJ21dWF9cl46whWJHTKp9svBEi7tv4xo4vvUDqES X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck You are all missing the point. The ride will be a big hit with regular=20 people because it is big and tall. The ride will be an even bigger hit=20 with enthusiasts because it is at Holiday World and they can do no=20 wrong. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Sep 03 20:55:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1532 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 03:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 03:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.230) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 03:55:29 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2777406rvb.11 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:55:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr5360243rvj.282.1220500529675; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:55:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:55:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Q8JE2VzhpxkhX1g5djqFA9a3l3aMH8-KCWHLCt1rHYyzUHR0mUgpSC4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > You are all missing the point. The ride will be a big hit with regular > people because it is big and tall. The ride will be an even bigger hit > with enthusiasts because it is at Holiday World and they can do no > wrong. True. But that doesn't mean that *I* will like it, and that's really all I care about. ;) -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Sep 03 21:13:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38825 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 04:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 04:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-182.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 04:13:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27409 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2008 04:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 04:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kb6Db-0007ZQ-Gc for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:13:15 -0600 Message-Id: <948BE42D-D263-491B-B5D3-24C573CD720B@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:13:21 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=IZE2OMpm2B3NnSAyQWdW52Do8iIL_h3NWC0Cm4jkK97pA7AOosEx X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> You are all missing the point. The ride will be a big hit with=20=20 >> regular >> people because it is big and tall. The ride will be an even bigger=20=20 >> hit >> with enthusiasts because it is at Holiday World and they can do no >> wrong. > > True. But that doesn't mean that *I* will like it, and that's really > all I care about. ;) I've been MIA on this thread, but isn't this a shoot the chute ride? = =20 I could see if it was a coaster or something, but how many log flumes=20=20 have more than 45=BA drops... like isn't the purpose of a water ride to = =20 get you soaked, not to give you a crazy drop? And some of the shoot=20=20 the chute rides in the early 1900s had even shallower drops. Case in=20=20 point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dreamland_Chutes.jpg I think if you walk off drenched, the ride has done its job. 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--YCalReminder=aV8meKc7zzxjNxEa8B3H8xuQrZgzBNU1220507432-1-- From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 04 04:08:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83621 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 11:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 11:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0101.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 11:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D502A554939 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 04:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 X-Received: by dm25.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm25.48ac7341.26c440 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 04:08:50 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIv8HCzIFUYgIAAAAB,e42631d20391087905f487e08ba6c694 Message-ID: <56E54BFD39CD49D0B56EF1AED05E5F39@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <600477.68116.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <600477.68116.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:09:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=AEdclDjVYDk3EJqioLrKqm6C-dtuHWYRDdrHusPvFsIpmxcNObPuJYoanw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Now maybe we can do something about all those annoying basketballs next. Too bad those people don't lose them over fences and go after them more often. It's always the hats for some reason. Must be a symbotic relationship of some kind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Santley" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: Man Hit By Roller Coaster At Magic Mountain] I've heard of mad matters but this is going abit too far! I actually hate wearing hats unless it's a real emergency. In hopes of quelling this dreaded disease of the hat retreaver I duve this new epidemic as "Mad Hatter Cyndrome!" I'm afrade the only cure for Mad Hatter Cyndrome is bo ban had inside parks unless the costumer signs a waver upon entry stating that they are fully responsible for such items though I have to admit that my so-called cure is rather flawed. As far as jumping fences goes, It might be agood idea for parks to have movible walls that reach the high of the current fences.Once these walls at in place then add another 6to 7 feet of etra fencing ontop of these walls. that way any ideas of a shrtcut would be ssquoshed. I don't know, It seems like a good idea. If anyone else has any suggestions I'm all ears. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 13:02:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95409 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 20:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 20:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 20:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2008 20:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2008 20:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2008 20:02:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:02:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <948BE42D-D263-491B-B5D3-24C573CD720B@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=9hnUcYwQTPPjNWtUDq9d5lvZB02OXixZavGnOGe_Q2VmPZSSev2Z X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck I forgot the one other point I was gonna make about this ride. Where=20 is the Bridge? Half the fun of this type of ride is walking over the=20 bridge when the ride is over for that extra splash. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 04 13:09:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4639 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 20:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 20:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.238) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 20:09:41 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so98843rvb.11 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.127.13 with SMTP id z13mr6006419rvc.142.1220558981021; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:09:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <948BE42D-D263-491B-B5D3-24C573CD720B@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=m4tMHZk4nCoc9GxNblqg7wYdAwDzllNvscQAtRgasMeNcLs63PYGdsU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I forgot the one other point I was gonna make about this ride. Where > is the Bridge? Half the fun of this type of ride is walking over the > bridge when the ride is over for that extra splash. According to Paula Werne, there will be a bridge but it was just not included in the rendering. -Nate From daniel_337@hotmail.co.uk Thu Sep 04 13:41:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_337@hotmail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23006 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2008 20:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2008 20:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 20:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2008 20:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2008 20:41:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:41:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 86.141.229.123 From: "dorton_1969" Subject: introduction: heyyyy! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227873755; y=0wlGcXQaqarr4UB9oVL7GXr_uA6Hu2bhRkR3tipczivdvXKoxCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dorton_1969 hello. :). i am daniel from england (yeah, i'm a brit!). about me: age 21 male live in england crazy for coasters! why am i here?. i'm a lurker!. been lurking for ages now. what do i want from this group news about disney, universal, disney, universal, disney....got the picture! so hmmm....yeah laters! From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Sep 04 20:38:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88989 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 03:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 03:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.164) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 03:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 03:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 03:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 03:38:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:38:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46BA9E74B90B4EA89A1983BACB576CA9@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.34.105 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=HkFRshiMTvP5OyobE7jbYjWDzqRqzBfEYDbHy3L-HLo X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Well I can comment: Renegade is better then Voyage. I don't really get the= cooing about=20 the Voyage. My Holiday world list is Legend, Raven, Voyage. I don't get t= here often but=20 the Legend is the best ride there. Raven would be but it is just too short= .=20=20 Back to topic. Renegade is back to back elements. The launch hill is eve= n twisted. I do=20 think the ride is a little "busy" but it holds it speed well and you get of= f wanting more. I=20 rode that ride more then six times not two weeks ago and I cannot for the l= ife of me list=20 the elements one by one. I suppose I could look it up, but that is not the= point. It is just=20 leaves your head spinning. None of the other rides at ValleyFair! merit a = return trip but=20 Renegade does. It is the marquee ride at that park. Worth the trip.=20=20 Voyage is about airtime. The tunnels are okay but they are not terrain ele= ments like some=20 of the tunnels at other coaster. You double pass through three of them bec= ause they are=20 over both the outbound and inbound tracks. It is a good ride, I just don't= understand the=20 golden ticket thing. The Racer and the American Eagle just seem like bette= r out and back=20 coasters to me. If even after a few more visits I conclude there is someth= ing to the Voyage=20 that is not in either the Racer or the American Eagle it still won't be THA= T much better. I=20 love out and back coasters, but they are vanilla ice cream I can get it any= where. I probably=20 am starting to develop a John Allen fetish on top of everything else. Even= with that, I ride=20 out and back coasters AFTER I have ridden everything else IF there is time.= Unless it is a=20 landmark or a classic coaster. I don't know if Voyage is represenative sample of GG's coasters, by itself = I am not=20 impressed with the work. (Flat track on a steel structure make my orthodox= thinking reel=20 as well, but I try to ignore that.) jjloj=20=20=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > > Yeah, I've been on both Thunderhead and Kentucky Rumbler. They were > > both very decent rides - I'd even say that Thunderhead is quite good - > > but neither comes close to the insanely excellent rides the Gravity > > Group has been building. >=20 > I can't comment there as I've yet to ride a Gravity Group coaster.=20 > Maybe in 2009 i'll get on The Voyage finally... > From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 04 21:25:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80579 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 04:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 04:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 04:25:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7822 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 04:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Sep 2008 04:25:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:24:56 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] introduction: heyyyy! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=rVbFGQ76GC_6Tn-mdlP8Q9gC8aRmleetyOZvPREq37S7BaQz X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Best introduction ever!! :) Welcome to the list! Cameron. On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:41 PM, dorton_1969 wrote: > > hello. :). i am daniel from england (yeah, i'm a brit!). > > > > about me: > > > > age 21 > > > > male > > > > live in england > > > > crazy for coasters! > > > > why am i here?. i'm a lurker!. been lurking for ages now. > > > > what do i want from this group > > > > news about disney, universal, disney, universal, disney....got the > picture! > > > > so hmmm....yeah laters! > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A piano?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Sep 04 21:51:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97857 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 04:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 04:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 04:51:39 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so182139wah.25 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.77.3 with SMTP id e3mr9709940wal.43.1220590299434; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap6.p4.sca.7sys.net ( [66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l37sm15376267waf.23.2008.09.04.21.51.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48c0bada.25bc720a.0fd2.fffff667@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=pcyexaQZ83TBM61esBzbGZtmVGkwrEMWF_2cqwVCAiU8iSd43Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Voyage, flat track? Uh, where? The station? Just a plain out and back that's all about airtime and doesn't follow the terrain? You do realize that the whole ride is built down into the ground so that on the out run, you are actually headed up hill, right? Do you use your head before you say things, or are you just trying to stir the pot? Josh --- Original Message --- From:"Jon Osborn" Sent:Thu 9/4/08 11:38 pm To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster Well I can comment: Renegade is better then Voyage. I don't really get the cooing about the Voyage. My Holiday world list is Legend, Raven, Voyage. I don't get there often but the Legend is the best ride there. Raven would be but it is just too short. Back to topic. Renegade is back to back elements. The launch hill is even twisted. I do think the ride is a little "busy" but it holds it speed well and you get off wanting more. I rode that ride more then six times not two weeks ago and I cannot for the life of me list the elements one by one. I suppose I could look it up, but that is not the point. It is just leaves your head spinning. None of the other rides at ValleyFair! merit a return trip but Renegade does. It is the marquee ride at that park. Worth the trip. Voyage is about airtime. The tunnels are okay but they are not terrain elements like some of the tunnels at other coaster. You double pass through three of them because they are over both the outbound and inbound tracks. It is a good ride, I just don't understand the golden ticket thing. The Racer and the American Eagle just seem like better out and back coasters to me. If even after a few more visits I conclude there is something to the Voyage that is not in either the Racer or the American Eagle it still won't be THAT much better. I love out and back coasters, but they are vanilla ice cream I can get it anywhere. I probably am starting to develop a John Allen fetish on top of everything else. Even with that, I ride out and back coasters AFTER I have ridden everything else IF there is time. Unless it is a landmark or a classic coaster. I don't know if Voyage is represenative sample of GG's coasters, by itself I am not impressed with the work. (Flat track on a steel structure make my orthodox thinking reel as well, but I try to ignore that.) jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > > Yeah, I've been on both Thunderhead and Kentucky Rumbler. They were > > both very decent rides - I'd even say that Thunderhead is quite good - > > but neither comes close to the insanely excellent rides the Gravity > > Group has been building. > > I can't comment there as I've yet to ride a Gravity Group coaster. > Maybe in 2009 i'll get on The Voyage finally... > From daniel_337@hotmail.co.uk Fri Sep 05 01:30:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_337@hotmail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70201 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 08:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 08:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 08:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 08:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 08:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 08:30:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:30:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 86.139.23.241 From: "dorton_1969" Subject: Re: introduction: heyyyy! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227873755; y=lQXuRq5Wnj55CXa4wohPC5hYOgy55bRjje5rHzTlJbViAsrz-_0 X-Yahoo-Profile: dorton_1969 oooo.....thankies cam!. heyyyyy!. where are you from? From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Sep 05 04:57:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48776 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 11:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 11:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 11:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 11:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 11:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 11:57:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:57:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48c0bada.25bc720a.0fd2.fffff667@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.34.105 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=MHmwmxupC_YO4ZO6hMSrhfc4qFkJi8Z-pUkguMFuoeo X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj There is no such thing as a wooden track. All tracks are made of metal. I= had a Cedar=20 point fan boy call Gemini a wooden coaster. Also it is a little offensive = to me that Voyage=20 gets to run against "true" wooden coasters for Golden ticket awards when th= e majority of=20 its structure is not wood. "Flat track" is the steel track that is use on = top of a wooden=20 structure on all coasters that don't have "tube track." So to correctly de= scribe a coaster: American Eagle - Wooden Structure with flat track. Wild Thing - Steel Structure with tube track Gemini - Wooden Structure with tube track Voyage - Steel Structure with flat track. This set of descriptions is much more accurate and thought out then "woodie= " or "steel." I=20 was not discussing the relative elevation of the Voyage just the fact it wa= s not a tube steel=20 track. The Voyage is not a, figure 8 (as I think of Viper although some might call= it a double out=20 and back) or terrain (Bolder Dash, Beast, Raven) coaster. You make one set= of turns and=20 have one place with lateral g's and that is at the far end. It may use top= ography to make=20 construction easier and is therefor interesting from a structure stand poin= t, but not a ride=20 standpoint. Perhaps the preposition "follow" was a poor choice to use to c= ontrast Voyage=20 with Raven et. al. I don't think there is any controversy in the statement= that Voyage is an=20 out-and-back roller coaster. Likewise its main claim to fame is air time a= s there are only=20 turns at the end. That is what the park touts and what the park calls i= t. I don't consider=20 pointing those two things out as compared to Renegade as being unfair to th= e coaster. So to answer your question: Yes I think a lot about this. And no, I don't just try to stir the pot. If you have an emotional point o= f view reason will=20 stir your emotions when it contradicts them. Remember the SNL skit about "= Da Bears" and=20 "Da Bulls." The people in the skit said "Didka" could beat the Giants by h= imself. That is an=20 emotional opinion, not a reasoned one. Voyage is a fine ride. I have previously explained why it is not on my top= 10 list of "flat=20 track" coasters. It won the Golden Ticket again which baffles me to no end= . So there are=20 people who don't agree with me, and I am good with that. If it make you fe= el any better is=20 is my favorite steel structure with flat track coaster. ;-) =20=20 jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, josh.wozny@... wrote: > > Voyage, flat track? Uh, where? The station?=20 >=20 > Just a plain out and back that's all about airtime and doesn't follow the= terrain?=20 >=20 > You do realize that the whole ride is built down into the ground so that = on the out run,=20 you are actually headed up hill, right? >=20 > Do you use your head before you say things, or are you just trying to sti= r the pot? >=20 > Josh >=20 > --- Original Message --- > From:"Jon Osborn" > Sent:Thu 9/4/08 11:38 pm > To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster >=20 > Well I can comment: Renegade is better then Voyage. I don't really get t= he cooing about=20 > the Voyage. My Holiday world list is Legend, Raven, Voyage. I don't get= there often but=20 > the Legend is the best ride there. Raven would be but it is just too sho= rt.=20=20 >=20 > Back to topic. Renegade is back to back elements. The launch hill is e= ven twisted. I do=20 > think the ride is a little "busy" but it holds it speed well and you get = off wanting more. I=20 > rode that ride more then six times not two weeks ago and I cannot for the= life of me list=20 > the elements one by one. I suppose I could look it up, but that is not t= he point. It is=20 just=20 > leaves your head spinning. None of the other rides at ValleyFair! merit = a return trip but=20 > Renegade does. It is the marquee ride at that park. Worth the trip. = =20 >=20 > Voyage is about airtime. The tunnels are okay but they are not terrain e= lements like=20 some=20 > of the tunnels at other coaster. You double pass through three of them b= ecause they=20 are=20 > over both the outbound and inbound tracks. It is a good ride, I just don= 't understand=20 the=20 > golden ticket thing. The Racer and the American Eagle just seem like bet= ter out and=20 back=20 > coasters to me. If even after a few more visits I conclude there is some= thing to the=20 Voyage=20 > that is not in either the Racer or the American Eagle it still won't be T= HAT much better.=20=20 I=20 > love out and back coasters, but they are vanilla ice cream I can get it a= nywhere. I=20 probably=20 > am starting to develop a John Allen fetish on top of everything else. Ev= en with that, I=20 ride=20 > out and back coasters AFTER I have ridden everything else IF there is tim= e. Unless it is a=20 > landmark or a classic coaster. >=20 > I don't know if Voyage is representative sample of GG's coasters, by itse= lf I am not=20 > impressed with the work. (Flat track on a steel structure make my orthod= ox thinking=20 reel=20 > as well, but I try to ignore that.) >=20 > jjloj=20=20=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > > > > Yeah, I've been on both Thunderhead and Kentucky Rumbler. They were > > > both very decent rides - I'd even say that Thunderhead is quite good = - > > > but neither comes close to the insanely excellent rides the Gravity > > > Group has been building. > >=20 > > I can't comment there as I've yet to ride a Gravity Group coaster.=20 > > Maybe in 2009 i'll get on The Voyage finally... > > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 05:26:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83977 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 12:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 12:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 12:26:52 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 31so238592yxl.81 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.13.7 with SMTP id q7mr16371472ybi.123.1220617611854; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0809050526l5d182dd4p32763e0d36ee7fc3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:26:51 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48c0bada.25bc720a.0fd2.fffff667@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=AkDT_svXlpZZfdCgZFJoB5NFx7hsouX3JN0AXv_krjLZCTI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "This set of descriptions is much more accurate and thought out then "woodie" or "steel." I was not discussing the relative elevation of the Voyage just the fact it was not a tube steel track." And flat rides are not flat, Skycoasters are not coasters, but so what? The contrasting wood and steel terms have been around for about 60 years or so and used both by the people who make and own them. While it may be "offensive" that Gemini and Voyage don't compete, the terminology isn't changing anytime soon. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 07:30:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87200 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 14:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 14:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 14:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:30:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:29:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Coney Island's Astroland turns out the lights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=GxiKWpZbKhvqGfN-HQeX4QtJlK5vaFN3cwjZZbZ1bI9slNc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept 4, 2008 The New York Post Amusement Today http://www.amusementtoday.com/ BROOKLYN, NY -- According to The New York Post, Astroland (AL) on New York's Coney Island is calling it quits. The paper reported that longtime operator of the fabled Coney Island amusement park =96 the Albert family =96 confirmed today that the 46-y.o. Coney icon will close its doors for good Sunday because a new lease deal couldn't be reached. As The Post first reported on its Web site Friday, Carol Albert threatened to shut down the park if she didn't get a 2-year lease extension by 1 p.m. today at the same rate from AL's landlord, developer Joe Sitt. The deadline passed with both sides not even talking and Sitt waiting to see if Albert was bluffing. Sitt spokesman Stefan Friedman told The Post the developer won't negotiate "through the media or with a gun held to his head." Rather, he'll wait and see whether Albert really pulls out after the deadline. He pointed out that the current lease doesn't expire until the end of the year, although Albert has said she needs the extra months to sell off her rides before the lease expires or face hefty penalties from Sitt for failing to vacate the land on time. The world-famous Cyclone wooden roller coaster, located across the street from AL, is not affected and will remain where it is. Sitt plans to replace AL with new amusements next season. But critics point out that the developer failed miserably this summer when he arranged to have temporary rides and attractions come to vacant boardwalk land he owns off Stillwell Avenue. Many expected AL to return in 2009 since the city is at least a year away from implementing an area rezoning plan that, in part, would replace the park and other attractions with new amusements. AL's potential closing comes while many other boardwalk business owners who rent from Sitt are also sweating it out over whether they'll be back next summer. Like AL, they had to wait out a lease extension a year ago also. "I don't know why they wouldn't bring us back =96 especially when they don't have anything to replace us with?" said Dianna Carlin, owner of the Lola Staar Souvenir Boutique. She also questioned whether Coney Island's economy would take a serious hit without a major anchor, such as AL. It was unclear just how far apart both sides are in dollars, but Albert's lawyer told Sitt's lawyer in a letter dated Friday that the park has seen expenses increase since last year, particularly a $700,000 surge in insurance costs. AL was seeking a multiple year lease, in part, to give its workers some stability. The Albert family sold the 3.1-acre AL property to Sitt's firm Thor Equities in 2006 for $30 million, but negotiated last year's deal to squeeze in at least 1 final go-round for AL and its employees, many of whom are neighborhood residents with years of service. ---------------- =A9 2008 AmusementToday From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 07:34:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27799 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 14:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 14:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 14:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:34:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:34:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cypress Gardens' Citrus Line Railroad back on track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dJ9GiNvHkzoSztSCKDVHRjdapsRqSzCwElYbxNu-0wPFJiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept 4, 2008 Amusement Today http://www.amusementtoday.com/ CYPRESS GARDEN, FL -- The Citrus Line Railroad (CLR), a popular attraction with guests of all ages at Florida's Cypress Gardens (CG), is once more rolling along. The park's famous Chance CP Huntington train began taking passengers down its newly laid track on August 29, 2008. CLR's course encompasses both Paradise Pier and Adventure Groove. A new section of the track allows the cars to pass twice beneath the structure of park's popular Starliner wooden roller coaster. CLR features 2 stations, Pope and Flagler. Pope Station can be found near the roller coaster Okeechobee Rampage while Flagler Station is situated adjacent to the Splash Island Water Park entrance. Opened in 2004, CLR's track was dismantled when the Starliner was assembled in 2007. The train holds approximately 40 passengers and takes about 5 minutes to complete a full circuit. Many guests have missed the attraction and CG is excited to reopen CLR once again. ---------------- =A9 2008 AmusementToday From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 07:41:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30504 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 14:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 14:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 14:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 14:41:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:41:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: 2008 Golden Ticket Awards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mcPCsPMPmqvfNSelZ4zz5YTt5pemibSfFrIoxWMT1hMoVPI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept 3, 2008 Amusement Today http://www.amusementtoday.com/ ARLINGTON, TX -- Envelope, please ... and the Golden Ticket Award goes to ... In an awards' show today hosted by Give Kids The World Village, Kissimmee, FL, Amusement Today announced the winners of its prestigious 2008 Golden Ticket Awards. The Golden Ticket Awards are presented to the "Best of the Best" in the amusement industry calculated from an international poll conducted by Amusement Today. Surveys were sent to a database of experienced and well-traveled amusement park fans around the world =96 in balanced geographical regions =96 asking them to rate the "bests" in 25 categories such as "amusement parks," "roller coasters," "shows," "friendliest staff" and "water rides." The 2008 winners are ... Best Amusement Park Cedar Point, Sandusky, OH Best Waterpark Schlitterbahn Waterpark Resort, New Braunfels, TX Best Children's Park Legoland California, Carlsbad, CA Best Marine Life Park SeaWorld Orlando, Orlando, FL Best Seaside Park Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk, Santa Cruz, CA Best Wooden Coaster The Voyage at Holiday World, Santa Claus, IN Best Steel Coaster Superman Ride of Steel at Six Flags New England, Agawam, MA Best Kids' Area Kings Island, Kings Mills, OH Friendliest Staff Holiday World & Splashin' Safari, Santa Claus, IN Cleanest Park Holiday World & Splashin' Safari, Santa Claus, IN Best Halloween Event Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Orlando, Orlando, FL Best Landscaping Busch Gardens Europe, Williamsburg, VA Best Christmas Event Smoky Mountain Christmas at Dollywood, Pigeon Forge, TN Best Food Knoebels Amusement Resort, Elysburg, PA Best Shows Six Flags Fiesta Texas, San Antonio, TX Best Outdoor Night Show Production IllumiNations: Reflections of the Earth at Walt Disney World's Epcot Center, Orlando, FL Best Water Ride Dudley Do-Right's Ripsaw Falls at Universal's Islands of Adventure, Orlando, FL Best Waterpark Ride Master Blaster at Schlitterbahn Waterpark Resort, New Braunfels, TX Best Dark Ride Amazing Adventures of Spiderman at Universal's Islands of Adventure, Orlando, FL Best New Ride of 2008 - Amusement Park Ravine Flyer II at Waldameer Park, Erie, PA Best New Ride of 2008 - Waterpark Dragon's Revenge at Schlitterbahn Waterpark Resort, New Braunfels, TX Best Carousel Grand Carousel at Knoebels Amusement Resort, Elysburg, PA Best Indoor Roller Coaster Revenge of the Mummy at Universal Orlando, Orlando, FL Best Indoor Waterpark Schlitterbahn Galveston Island, Galveston, TX Best Funhouse/Walk-Through Attraction Frankenstein's Castle at Indiana Beach, Monticello, IN ---------------- =A9 2008 AmusementToday From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 09:34:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34800 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 16:34:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 16:34:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 16:34:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 16:34:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 16:34:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 16:34:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:32:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=AvIHq6rH0-trwqB_iMQO-HlbSPcR-BMnOBiWNoihYAm4JdFm1ldA X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > And no, I don't just try to stir the pot.=20 Yeah, that's Nate's job... > If you have an emotional point of view reason will=20 > stir your emotions when it contradicts them.=20=20 Unless you're Nate, he just likes stirring the pot... Love ya Nate! Off to Dollywood this weekend, hope the Weather holds out. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 05 10:40:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31080 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 17:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 17:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 17:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BA03C629A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 X-Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm22.48ac7369.2efbe4 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:39:59 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIwW7voeq/ZwIAAAAB,44e7e6dfbeaf33643721d18b554ecf3a Message-ID: To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:40:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: News You might want to see X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=zvFHhzaFmfxeL0J3WmOlilHHinCveW5p494nhS088rc_WmuSFUjThc4_eA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I've had a few really good news updates in the past couple of days on Screamscape is anyone is intereded. This includes a major story about why Maximum RPM and Slippery When Wet are now closed at Hard Rock Park, and why more rides attractions may be affected as well. Some great on-site construction shots of Universal Studios Singapore from the people at Resorts Worlds at Sentosa, along with some exclusive never-before revealed information about some of the park's attractions, including a little something called Dueling Coaster. Plus a variety of other news and rumors that Screamscape is known for, but I thought everyone would be really interested at least in those two top stories from the last 24 hours. www.screamscape.com From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 12:46:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34843 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 19:46:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 19:46:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 19:46:34 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so329273yxb.77 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:46:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.142.14 with SMTP id p14mr4202736wfd.139.1220643994109; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:46:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0809051246o446c67ccl882b2f8f401f24e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:46:34 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48c0bada.25bc720a.0fd2.fffff667@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=04FXPqKYcBJKZr77Ju5xNwZPlm6UvJPHFYhbdPRANsCW69EwOA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Couple of things: > <<< There is no such thing as a wooden track. All tracks are made of meta..... "Flat track" is the steel track that is use on top of a wooden > structure on all coasters that don't have "tube track.>> Wrong, and uh, wrong. Having built a wooden coaster in my time, I can tell you that the "track" is entirely made of wood. There is road steel laid down on top of, and underneath in parts where upstops will make contact with the wood track, so it doesn't tear it up. I don't know where you get the term "flat track". <> A bit too much, I'd say. <<< And no, I don't just try to stir the pot. If you have an emotional point of view reason will > stir your emotions when it contradicts them.>>> Emotions are the furthest thing from my online discussions about roller coasters. I just prefer to read coherent emails with proper spelling and thought structure, that's all. I remember those sketches, and if there's anyone calling "Ditka" (the correct spelling, by the way) on this one, it's you. You say you think with reason, yet you get into "arguments" with "Cedar Point Fanboys" (the mere fact that you resort to that kind of name calling removes any shred of doubt in my mind that you are, without a doubt, speaking in 100% logic based discussions....), over whether or not Gemini is a wooden coaster. Listen, I couldn't care less what you think is a steel ride, wooden ride, whatever - I tend to approach all things and people with an open mind, but your arrogance and condescending know-it-all "enthusiast" attitude has reminded me of why I haven't attended a non-coastermania event since 2003. -Jjojojojosh From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 12:52:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62732 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 19:52:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 19:52:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 19:52:23 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so330718yxh.24 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.77.11 with SMTP id z11mr4193038wfa.337.1220644342387; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0809051252g5f413778weff3f2804fe5d543@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:52:22 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Coney Island's Astroland turns out the lights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=kddzaa28cMfKlpANJS0ELpYFRR3oN4TT0axcB4S5E2mCDuBlSA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Welp. I guess that settles it. I've been drinking Coney Island Lager for some time now (a portion of the proceeds go toward preservation), and it sure is a delicious beer, but I don't think I can keep up enough to offset $700,000 in insurance costs. :( I'm glad I got to experience Coney in my lifetime. Add that to the list of stuff that I've done that is extinct. In fact, I'm going to start a topic discussing the things we've ridden and visited that are now gone. It should make for some good discussion. -Josh On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Alan wrote: > Sept 4, 2008 > The New York Post > Amusement Today > http://www.amusementtoday.com/ > > BROOKLYN, NY -- According to The New York Post, Astroland (AL) on New > York's Coney Island is calling it quits. > > The paper reported that longtime operator of the fabled Coney Island > amusement park =96 the Albert family =96 confirmed today that the 46-y.o. > Coney icon will close its doors for good Sunday because a new lease > deal couldn't be reached. > > As The Post first reported on its Web site Friday, Carol Albert > threatened to shut down the park if she didn't get a 2-year lease > extension by 1 p.m. today at the same rate from AL's landlord, > developer Joe Sitt. The deadline passed with both sides not even > talking and Sitt waiting to see if Albert was bluffing. > > Sitt spokesman Stefan Friedman told The Post the developer won't > negotiate "through the media or with a gun held to his head." Rather, > he'll wait and see whether Albert really pulls out after the deadline. > He pointed out that the current lease doesn't expire until the end of > the year, although Albert has said she needs the extra months to sell > off her rides before the lease expires or face hefty penalties from > Sitt for failing to vacate the land on time. > > The world-famous Cyclone wooden roller coaster, located across the > street from AL, is not affected and will remain where it is. > > Sitt plans to replace AL with new amusements next season. But critics > point out that the developer failed miserably this summer when he > arranged to have temporary rides and attractions come to vacant > boardwalk land he owns off Stillwell Avenue. > > Many expected AL to return in 2009 since the city is at least a year > away from implementing an area rezoning plan that, in part, would > replace the park and other attractions with new amusements. > > AL's potential closing comes while many other boardwalk business > owners who rent from Sitt are also sweating it out over whether > they'll be back next summer. Like AL, they had to wait out a lease > extension a year ago also. "I don't know why they wouldn't bring us > back =96 especially when they don't have anything to replace us with?" > said Dianna Carlin, owner of the Lola Staar Souvenir Boutique. She > also questioned whether Coney Island's economy would take a serious > hit without a major anchor, such as AL. > > It was unclear just how far apart both sides are in dollars, but > Albert's lawyer told Sitt's lawyer in a letter dated Friday that the > park has seen expenses increase since last year, particularly a > $700,000 surge in insurance costs. AL was seeking a multiple year > lease, in part, to give its workers some stability. The Albert family > sold the 3.1-acre AL property to Sitt's firm Thor Equities in 2006 for > $30 million, but negotiated last year's deal to squeeze in at least 1 > final go-round for AL and its employees, many of whom are neighborhood > residents with years of service. > ---------------- > (c) 2008 AmusementToday > >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 13:22:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74835 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 20:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 20:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.245) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 20:22:15 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so491573rvf.52 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.113.6 with SMTP id q6mr6910078rvm.135.1220646135513; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:22:15 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0809051252g5f413778weff3f2804fe5d543@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0809051252g5f413778weff3f2804fe5d543@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Coney Island's Astroland turns out the lights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=kdLA47Fj9nU9FN3siX1huq7a376BNjk5cwQHyYTrBtRvxC3H62K_mxc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Welp. I guess that settles it. I've been drinking Coney Island Lager > for some time now (a portion of the proceeds go toward preservation), > and it sure is a delicious beer, but I don't think I can keep up > enough to offset $700,000 in insurance costs. :( Well, that's certainly no reason for not trying! ;) > I'm glad I got to experience Coney in my lifetime. Add that to the > list of stuff that I've done that is extinct. Yeah, I never made it. In all honesty, though, that doesn't upset me much. The Cyclone will still be there, and that's the reason I would have visited in the first place. From my (admittedly limited) perspective, it seems like Coney Island has been a steadily diminishing shadow of its former self for a very long time now. It sad, no doubt, but such is life. -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 13:22:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10691 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 20:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 20:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 20:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 20:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 20:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 20:22:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:22:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.11.124.131 From: "josh.wozny" Subject: Re: News You might want to see X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=C203f6V4L5ZXm4fp5ket5d4fhKMrR4Q_X7lBq-i9YcaktPE7fA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Wow. Talk about owned. That's like having your car booted because you didn't make payments on it, or your cable shut off. Sucks to be them. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > I've had a few really good news updates in the past couple of days on=20 > Screamscape is anyone is intereded. > This includes a major story about why Maximum RPM and Slippery When Wet are=20 > now closed at Hard Rock Park, and why more rides attractions may be affected=20 > as well. > Some great on-site construction shots of Universal Studios Singapore from=20 > the people at Resorts Worlds at Sentosa, along with some exclusive=20 > never-before revealed information about some of the park's attractions,=20 > including a little something called Dueling Coaster. >=20 > Plus a variety of other news and rumors that Screamscape is known for, but I=20 > thought everyone would be really interested at least in those two top=20 > stories from the last 24 hours. > www.screamscape.com > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 13:38:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4943 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 20:38:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 20:38:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 20:38:30 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d23so108285and.132 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.128.20 with SMTP id a20mr13232304and.74.1220647106507; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0809051338r573b159arab9f6abd6089cc2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:38:26 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0809051252g5f413778weff3f2804fe5d543@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0809051252g5f413778weff3f2804fe5d543@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] UPDATE: Coney Island's Astroland turns out the lights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=tGsC7EXWlt3bVEfoMIxwjxxa8eP2K0KgVUIPgx6yKiuBdQI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska yeah, that was a lot of fun with the guys gustlin out rerides and the crazy cycle on the break dance. ive had a lot of great times at coney island, but honestly most of the greatness has taken place outside of astroland. im just nervous that this really is the beginning of the end for coney island as it has stood for this generation. one of my favorite coney island memories was once, after a horribly long 2 hour subway ride...because it only took 2 hours to drive there from ct, and i was taking the train from in brooklyn...but anyway when we got there we walked out onto the beach and i picked up a handful of sand and said "this is what we fought all night to get back to?" does anyone on here get that reference? On 9/5/08, Josh W wrote: > Welp. I guess that settles it. I've been drinking Coney Island Lager > for some time now (a portion of the proceeds go toward preservation), > and it sure is a delicious beer, but I don't think I can keep up > enough to offset $700,000 in insurance costs. :( > > I'm glad I got to experience Coney in my lifetime. Add that to the > list of stuff that I've done that is extinct. > > In fact, I'm going to start a topic discussing the things we've ridden > and visited that are now gone. It should make for some good > discussion. > > -Josh > > > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Alan wrote: >> Sept 4, 2008 >> The New York Post >> Amusement Today >> http://www.amusementtoday.com/ >> >> BROOKLYN, NY -- According to The New York Post, Astroland (AL) on New >> York's Coney Island is calling it quits. >> >> The paper reported that longtime operator of the fabled Coney Island >> amusement park =96 the Albert family =96 confirmed today that the 46-y.o= . >> Coney icon will close its doors for good Sunday because a new lease >> deal couldn't be reached. >> >> As The Post first reported on its Web site Friday, Carol Albert >> threatened to shut down the park if she didn't get a 2-year lease >> extension by 1 p.m. today at the same rate from AL's landlord, >> developer Joe Sitt. The deadline passed with both sides not even >> talking and Sitt waiting to see if Albert was bluffing. >> >> Sitt spokesman Stefan Friedman told The Post the developer won't >> negotiate "through the media or with a gun held to his head." Rather, >> he'll wait and see whether Albert really pulls out after the deadline. >> He pointed out that the current lease doesn't expire until the end of >> the year, although Albert has said she needs the extra months to sell >> off her rides before the lease expires or face hefty penalties from >> Sitt for failing to vacate the land on time. >> >> The world-famous Cyclone wooden roller coaster, located across the >> street from AL, is not affected and will remain where it is. >> >> Sitt plans to replace AL with new amusements next season. But critics >> point out that the developer failed miserably this summer when he >> arranged to have temporary rides and attractions come to vacant >> boardwalk land he owns off Stillwell Avenue. >> >> Many expected AL to return in 2009 since the city is at least a year >> away from implementing an area rezoning plan that, in part, would >> replace the park and other attractions with new amusements. >> >> AL's potential closing comes while many other boardwalk business >> owners who rent from Sitt are also sweating it out over whether >> they'll be back next summer. Like AL, they had to wait out a lease >> extension a year ago also. "I don't know why they wouldn't bring us >> back =96 especially when they don't have anything to replace us with?" >> said Dianna Carlin, owner of the Lola Staar Souvenir Boutique. She >> also questioned whether Coney Island's economy would take a serious >> hit without a major anchor, such as AL. >> >> It was unclear just how far apart both sides are in dollars, but >> Albert's lawyer told Sitt's lawyer in a letter dated Friday that the >> park has seen expenses increase since last year, particularly a >> $700,000 surge in insurance costs. AL was seeking a multiple year >> lease, in part, to give its workers some stability. The Albert family >> sold the 3.1-acre AL property to Sitt's firm Thor Equities in 2006 for >> $30 million, but negotiated last year's deal to squeeze in at least 1 >> final go-round for AL and its employees, many of whom are neighborhood >> residents with years of service. >> ---------------- >> (c) 2008 AmusementToday >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word ab= out > Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 14:00:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82866 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 21:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 21:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.251) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 21:00:09 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so127446and.75 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:00:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.57.6 with SMTP id f6mr13303951ana.19.1220648408801; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0809051400r6fb554b3ob4f6c72ea6944ff9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:00:08 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News You might want to see X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=zKYXGAMp1h3QmjO0Ops3bB35ofcdZ8Rz-WTxUkKSm5eVIKU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Is there any chance of you making a more pda friendly version of your site? I love to read the updates, but when stuff that i am interested in is shoved into world news or general small parks or the state information, it takes forever to scroll down to where the update is...literally about 5 minutes. also, the navigation bar shows up in front of the updates and a lot of the time there is a script running that will freeze the loading all together. i love the site overall, but i usally am visiting from my pda (which goes for most of the internet these day). i wish i had got one with touch screen so that scrolling problem wouldnt be an issue. On 9/5/08, Lance wrote: > I've had a few really good news updates in the past couple of days on > Screamscape is anyone is intereded. > This includes a major story about why Maximum RPM and Slippery When Wet are > now closed at Hard Rock Park, and why more rides attractions may be affected > as well. > Some great on-site construction shots of Universal Studios Singapore from > the people at Resorts Worlds at Sentosa, along with some exclusive > never-before revealed information about some of the park's attractions, > including a little something called Dueling Coaster. > > Plus a variety of other news and rumors that Screamscape is known for, but I > thought everyone would be really interested at least in those two top > stories from the last 24 hours. > www.screamscape.com > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 14:44:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15469 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 21:44:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95889 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2008 21:44:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VXzXXVkVM1mBKtqJR99W0.Wl.XTP3okTIU6iQfA0iUlU8nXFyYfuVx1pxWNwOh9cXdDa9AfsEArz285WHtr84FIpCMo2auJUeNOG1BsHhoB3dXJBgD.Xw8.gDuHYRTcAKlE- X-Received: from [72.70.226.36] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:44:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <354841.95268.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (Actual) NEWS: Holiday World announces Pilgrims X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ump_qDtUN73kIPSlfXuvCr5qjlt5hmG8HLROBDsKprqVKJRj2qv3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think if you walk off drenched, the ride has done its job. < Those are exactly my thoughts. Intamin brought rollercoaster drops to shoot-the-chutes rides. But I don't think they're necessary. As I mentioned previously, the shallow drop will make for a longer plunge. And that's probably what the park was going for. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 14:58:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29078 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 21:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 21:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 21:58:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62559 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2008 21:58:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ymzzJa0VM1kabefPnH5GY._dPKcNec1E3QwtzU0Gpj5370HwDS8I_bzQO9ZwUygScuUXu1FrB6ZgnHeavhKFiiZ4jHwzh6jfjisE23u2oA-- X-Received: from [72.70.226.36] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:58:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1220631158.2757.17413.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <450991.60823.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: 2008 Golden Ticket Awards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=dOfixRNxBoc_rZMKeypRD1WY2UrYkdaLDYvIv0hH9t7JN5c2ouBV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme It's deja vu all over again (and I don't mean the coaster). I am glad to see the Ravine Flyer II listed as best new ride. And I'm glad Frankenstein's Castle is on the list for best walk-thru. Other than that, it looks like a repeat of last year...and the year before. Jay From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 15:10:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43975 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 22:10:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 22:10:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 22:10:46 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so425550yxg.37 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.142.16 with SMTP id u16mr17248230ybn.58.1220652645609; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm991710yxt.1.2008.09.05.15.10.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:10:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <450991.60823.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckPooxQGVpmy5d0SEi1mYvFReqAWwAASPEg Message-ID: <48c1ae65.c505be0a.494f.ffff8d93@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: 2008 Golden Ticket Awards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=QUfmjSciqv8HRYpZ898yaOa10WUpd_Xe0spibQ4qykVkb70 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I am glad to see the Ravine Flyer II listed as best new ride. And I'm glad Frankenstein's Castle is on the list for best walk-thru. Other than that, it looks like a repeat of last year...and the year before." They are a great revenue generator for the magazine and subsequently good marketing for the parks, but they really do not say much. Amusement parks are different from other "best of lists" that have become media norm because you have to either ask the general public, which will probably choose Disney, Cedar Point, or their local park, or enthusiasts, which, for as much as they travel, offer the same results every year. I am glad AT can make money and parks can get marketing traction from them, but in the end, who cares what the results are? They really don't mean anything. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 15:12:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47089 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 22:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 22:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 22:12:12 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so63606ywt.21 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.158.2 with SMTP id k2mr17258181ybo.118.1220652731702; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm990959yxj.7.2008.09.05.15.12.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:12:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0809051338r573b159arab9f6abd6089cc2b@mail.gmail.com> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckPl16yVPu3FfeYQ5W/bq3kKE+n/wADPaQg Message-ID: <48c1aebb.4403be0a.2aee.73e5@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: UPDATE: Coney Island's Astroland turns out the lights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=BeOhs6nOBCgU4OguucKHYNLjiwFYBymH8zmfBP37cRz1zRI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "this is what we fought all night to get back to?" does anyone on here get that reference?" Warriors? Adam From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 15:16:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84384 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 22:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 22:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 22:16:10 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so949624yxg.33 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:16:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.42.6 with SMTP id u6mr17193558ybj.220.1220652969951; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm995400yxl.8.2008.09.05.15.16.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:16:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:16:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckPlS04KuKnJVh1QtG8veBssDUcOAAD2LOA Message-ID: <48c1afa9.e203be0a.42e6.6668@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: News You might want to see X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Nem5sXR5C2WOAa60aRoFraozagj2P8R9pJggCb1u3vccWJk X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "This includes a major story about why Maximum RPM and Slippery When Wet are now closed at Hard Rock Park, and why more rides attractions may be affected as well." Somehow I think that could be a reciprocal situation. If HRP had a good contract they should have been withholding the final payment (or two) until at least 90 days after opening. However, that is a big if. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 16:43:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28738 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 23:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 23:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:43:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:43:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:43:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:43:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48c1aebb.4403be0a.2aee.73e5@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.182.54 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: UPDATE: Coney Island's Astroland turns out the lights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=qO-j7bwxhvAOWcqls9iMav4E3V9Tn9w_dhBpXaDVZ2yl8Hmqa5S7 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy"=20 wrote: > > "this is what we fought all night to get back to?" does > anyone on here get that reference?" >=20 > Warriors? >=20 > Adam > You beat me to the punch, Adam...one of my all time fave flicks..CAN=20 YOU DIG IIIIIIIIIIT? Mike, who will "come out to play-ay" anytime!=20 From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 16:49:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32724 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 23:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 23:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:49:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:49:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <450991.60823.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.182.54 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: 2008 Golden Ticket Awards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=0sal_dhL0kCLVLXVSDZVdneISwMTpc6nSgEQobHLurvUmEdtzJLK X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > It's deja vu all over again (and I don't mean the coaster). >=20 > I am glad to see the Ravine Flyer II listed as best new ride. And=20 I'm glad Frankenstein's Castle is on the list for best walk-thru.=20=20 Other than that, it looks like a repeat of last year...and the year=20 before. >=20 > Jay > As excited as I am to ride RFII, hopefully next year...I gotta say I=20 was surprised Fahrenheit didn't make it. Maybe it's "bubbling under,"=20 as Billboard used to refer to songs just about to hit the Hot 100. I=20 have't read a lot about this ride. Any opinions? I expect to be at=20 Hershey Halloween weekend. Mike From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Sep 05 19:15:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11928 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 02:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 02:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 02:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 02:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 02:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 02:14:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:14:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0809051246o446c67ccl882b2f8f401f24e5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.34.105 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=htrz7-d1Hr0YDBmxeKuLHG4Fu1BG3p1F_81I0wPlmUE X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" wrote: > > Couple of things: >=20 > > <<< There is no such thing as a wooden track. All tracks are made of me= ta..... "Flat=20 track" is the steel track that is use on top of a wooden > > structure on all coasters that don't have "tube track.>> >=20 > Wrong, and uh, wrong. >=20 > Having built a wooden coaster in my time, I can tell you that the > "track" is entirely made of wood. There is road steel laid down on top > of, and underneath in parts where upstops will make contact with the > wood track, so it doesn't tear it up. I don't know where you get the > term "flat track". >=20 So the track is the structure hold up "road steel."=20=20 Flat track is just my word for "not tube track"=20 Would in your opinion "flat rail" and "tube rail" be better nouns as the de= scriptions?=20=20 >=20 > <> >=20 > A bit too much, I'd say. >=20 There is no such thing a thinking too much. >=20 > <<< And no, I don't just try to stir the pot. If you have an emotional > point of view reason will > > stir your emotions when it contradicts them.>>> >=20 > Emotions are the furthest thing from my online discussions about > roller coasters. I just prefer to read coherent emails with proper > spelling and thought structure, that's all. >=20 Thought has no structure. > I remember those sketches, and if there's anyone calling "Ditka" (the > correct spelling, by the way) on this one, it's you.=20 Michael Keller Ditka, Jr. is a real person from Pennsylvania. "Didka" is "Da Coach" from the skit. They mispronounce his name. It was pe= rhaps a=20 mistake to try a spell it that way, but I didn't think anyone would get the= ir feelings hurt.=20=20 By the way you forgot to mention that the correct spelling is "The Bears" a= nd "The Bulls"=20 not "Da Bears" and "Da Bulls" Oh dear, I misspelled "Da Coach" it should be= "The Coach." I=20 caught that one, you don't have give me a reply on it. >You say you think > with reason, yet you get into "arguments" with "Cedar Point Fanboys" > (the mere fact that you resort to that kind of name calling removes > any shred of doubt in my mind that you are, without a doubt, speaking > in 100% logic based discussions....),=20 What is the "sensitive" term for someone who would: A.) Respond to the point that Cedar Point only has two "wooden (to use the = common=20 term)" coasters and therefor fans of that type of coaster might not like th= e park.=20=20 B.) It has four... (counting the Cedar Creek Mine Ride and the Gemini) C.) Count the Gemini as two coasters to increase CP "record count." (I do= n't even think=20 the park's marketing department does that.) I will skip the discussion of "inversions per metal coaster"..... If there is politically correct term for a person like that I would like to= know. As to why I was in the discussion (argument) to begin with. I was asked wh= at I thought of=20 CP and when it wasn't the center of the roller coaster universe, well it wa= s game on. Being=20 a purveyer of enlightment is messy work. Besides one doesn't start fights = but one must=20 always finish them. > over whether or not Gemini is a > wooden coaster. >=20 > Listen, I couldn't care less what you think is a steel ride, wooden > ride, whatever - I tend to approach all things and people with an open > mind, but your arrogance and condescending know-it-all "enthusiast" > attitude has reminded me of why I haven't attended a non-coastermania > event since 2003. > If you don't care they why type the reply. You had no comment about Renegade at all. You had no comment about Voyage at all. You are just upset that I want a more precise way to say "woodie" and "stee= l" coaster=20 because rides like Gemini and Voyage exist that blur the lines. Okay sugge= st one. Otherwise reply to me via e-mail and keep crap like this out of the group. "Mr. I am an open minded person who closed mindedly judges you for thinking= openly=20 about coasters" > -Jjojojojosh > Who is name calling now. If you don't like my initials and the fact I use them for my e-mail then ta= ke it up with my=20 parents and sysadmins.=20=20 To the rest of the group please forgive. I don't start them I just finish = them, and this one=20 is over. From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Sep 05 19:40:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55348 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 02:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 02:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 02:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 02:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 02:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 02:40:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:40:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0809050526l5d182dd4p32763e0d36ee7fc3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.34.105 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=4ec3uDHT35ECqhNhdolxCCvhQB6JXcFodgqPWSOTPQc X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wr= ote: > > "This set of descriptions is much more accurate and thought out then > "woodie" or "steel." I > was not discussing the relative elevation of the Voyage just the fact it = was > not a tube steel > track." >=20 > And flat rides are not flat, Skycoasters are not coasters, but so what? = =20 We park on a driveway and drive on a parkway. Yea I know. There is a poin= t there. But I would like it pointed out the Amusement Today says that Voyage is a woode= n coaster=20 AND give it an award for being a wooden coaster, when it is mostly not a wo= oden coaster.=20=20 I don't like the rules and I am voicing that by saying could we change the = language. Just a=20 cry of "foul" from the peanut gallery. That is SO WHAT. That is all. >The > contrasting wood and steel terms have been around for about 60 years or s= o > and used both by the people who make and own them.=20=20 Referencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matterhorn_Bobsleds "The attraction opened on June 14, 1959, as one of three new major attracti= ons for=20 Tomorrowland that year. Built by coaster builder Arrow Dynamics and WED Ima= gineering, it=20 was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world." (tubular steel roller coaster, not my words Wikipedia's) SO at most the terms have been in around for 49 years. And the people who make them and own them are not needing to tell the truth= . They=20 need you to buy tickets to ride the rides. (By the way would you really use the term(s) used 60 years ago for the dece= ndents of=20 slaves and other "African" people today? Is that really an argument you wa= nt to make?) > While it may be > "offensive" that Gemini and Voyage don't compete, the terminology isn't > changing anytime soon. >=20 > Adam It won't ever change if one doesn't seek a better way. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Sep 05 19:55:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70786 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so703863wfc.24 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.3.4 with SMTP id f4mr4314520wfi.233.1220669747822; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0809051955m3b3efdf2tab6ce024694f3a7f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:55:47 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0809051246o446c67ccl882b2f8f401f24e5@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=-MzvA45PTPhDjwAAlzTb2aI3kkaz_iB5lQ1Wf_U07H7TeDYxYw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Hahahahahaha. For one, I've been around this list since 1994, I know how it operates and that people like you come and go on a regular basis - you telling me to "keep crap like this off of here" is like me trying to tell the Burger King he needs to call up the individual stores and tell them to stop selling the Whopper. On a coaster-related note. "Wooden track just a support for the road steel"? No. The road steel is less than 1/8 of an inch thick so it's not "track" of any kind worth holding up a train. I don't care that you're wrong, I'm not a tool. All I care about is that your attitude, you come in here puffing our your chest and waving your coaster card around, but in reality no one cares. For the record, I don't care how you were spelling Ditka to try and show how it was pronounced. I'm a huge SNL buff so I get it. Josh On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" wrote: >> >> Couple of things: >> >> > <<< There is no such thing as a wooden track. All tracks are made of >> > meta..... "Flat > track" is the steel track that is use on top of a wooden >> > structure on all coasters that don't have "tube track.>> >> >> Wrong, and uh, wrong. >> >> Having built a wooden coaster in my time, I can tell you that the >> "track" is entirely made of wood. There is road steel laid down on top >> of, and underneath in parts where upstops will make contact with the >> wood track, so it doesn't tear it up. I don't know where you get the >> term "flat track". >> > > So the track is the structure hold up "road steel." > > Flat track is just my word for "not tube track" > > Would in your opinion "flat rail" and "tube rail" be better nouns as the > descriptions? >> >> <> >> >> A bit too much, I'd say. >> > There is no such thing a thinking too much. > >> >> <<< And no, I don't just try to stir the pot. If you have an emotional >> point of view reason will >> > stir your emotions when it contradicts them.>>> >> >> Emotions are the furthest thing from my online discussions about >> roller coasters. I just prefer to read coherent emails with proper >> spelling and thought structure, that's all. >> > Thought has no structure. > >> I remember those sketches, and if there's anyone calling "Ditka" (the >> correct spelling, by the way) on this one, it's you. > > Michael Keller Ditka, Jr. is a real person from Pennsylvania. > > "Didka" is "Da Coach" from the skit. They mispronounce his name. It was > perhaps a > mistake to try a spell it that way, but I didn't think anyone would get > their feelings hurt. > By the way you forgot to mention that the correct spelling is "The Bears" > and "The Bulls" > not "Da Bears" and "Da Bulls" Oh dear, I misspelled "Da Coach" it should be > "The Coach." I > caught that one, you don't have give me a reply on it. > >>You say you think >> with reason, yet you get into "arguments" with "Cedar Point Fanboys" >> (the mere fact that you resort to that kind of name calling removes >> any shred of doubt in my mind that you are, without a doubt, speaking >> in 100% logic based discussions....), > > What is the "sensitive" term for someone who would: > A.) Respond to the point that Cedar Point only has two "wooden (to use the > common > term)" coasters and therefor fans of that type of coaster might not like the > park. > B.) It has four... (counting the Cedar Creek Mine Ride and the Gemini) > C.) Count the Gemini as two coasters to increase CP "record count." (I don't > even think > the park's marketing department does that.) > I will skip the discussion of "inversions per metal coaster"..... > > If there is politically correct term for a person like that I would like to > know. > > As to why I was in the discussion (argument) to begin with. I was asked what > I thought of > CP and when it wasn't the center of the roller coaster universe, well it was > game on. Being > a purveyer of enlightment is messy work. Besides one doesn't start fights > but one must > always finish them. > >> over whether or not Gemini is a >> wooden coaster. >> >> Listen, I couldn't care less what you think is a steel ride, wooden >> ride, whatever - I tend to approach all things and people with an open >> mind, but your arrogance and condescending know-it-all "enthusiast" >> attitude has reminded me of why I haven't attended a non-coastermania >> event since 2003. >> > If you don't care they why type the reply. > > You had no comment about Renegade at all. > You had no comment about Voyage at all. > You are just upset that I want a more precise way to say "woodie" and > "steel" coaster > because rides like Gemini and Voyage exist that blur the lines. Okay suggest > one. > > Otherwise reply to me via e-mail and keep crap like this out of the group. > > "Mr. I am an open minded person who closed mindedly judges you for thinking > openly > about coasters" >> -Jjojojojosh >> > Who is name calling now. > > If you don't like my initials and the fact I use them for my e-mail then > take it up with my > parents and sysadmins. > > To the rest of the group please forgive. I don't start them I just finish > them, and this one > is over. > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 22:30:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91679 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 05:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 05:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 05:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:30:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:30:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: 2008 Golden Ticket Awards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=2e405xVF-78w4-mu_F0IzIrFk7tuOBgoMgFmJa2eQrcX9QRfPA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Most people whom I've read opinions of Fahrenheit, and my own as=20 well, tend to be underwhelmed. The first drop gets a lot of kudos,=20 and then the rest is often likened to a tamer version of Maverick.=20 I'd say a tamer version of Speed Monster, but that's not as easy a=20 ride to get to.=20 Don't wait all day for it. I ran there from the gate and got on=20 within 10 minutes, but the line was 2-3 hours the rest of the day.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 > wrote: > > > > It's deja vu all over again (and I don't mean the coaster). > >=20 > > I am glad to see the Ravine Flyer II listed as best new ride.=20=20 And=20 > I'm glad Frankenstein's Castle is on the list for best walk-thru.=20=20 > Other than that, it looks like a repeat of last year...and the year=20 > before. > >=20 > > Jay > > > As excited as I am to ride RFII, hopefully next year...I gotta say=20 I=20 > was surprised Fahrenheit didn't make it. Maybe it's "bubbling=20 under,"=20 > as Billboard used to refer to songs just about to hit the Hot 100.=20 I=20 > have't read a lot about this ride. Any opinions? I expect to be at=20 > Hershey Halloween weekend. >=20 > Mike > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 06 06:36:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39250 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 13:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 13:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 13:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KbxxI-0001za-HT for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:36:00 -0400 Message-ID: <48C28738.7010004@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:35:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825b4b7d5acaa617a55098707b81fcd2a2586f7033bb40e26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ppEhZ6VNzXJDxY0BgSsjRnnDesTDOgDHkVytfIYyBnk02C8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Osborn wrote: > > Would in your opinion "flat rail" and "tube rail" be better nouns as the > descriptions? Frankly, no. Sorry, but I don't think you're going to find support on this one. A wood coaster's track is made of layers of treated wood stacked on top of each other. The track is NOT made of steel, it's made of wood. Just because there is a thin layer of steel laid over it in places does not change what the actual track is made of. Additionally, there are a lot of steel coasters out there that do not have tubular track. They have iron or steel rails. Does that suddenly change what kind of coaster they are? No. Coasters have been classified and identified by the type of track they've had for over 60 years- long before the Matterhorn became the first tubular steel coaster. And it's not their support structure- otherwise you would be calling many of the old classic coasters (e.g. Coney Cyclone) steel coasters, which would certainly be inaccurate. > > <> > > > > A bit too much, I'd say. > > > There is no such thing a thinking too much. Oh trust me, as a teacher there is absolutely such a thing. I've had a few students who were so busy thinking that they were never able to actually get anything done. Nor move from basic concepts onto more advance ones. Yes, you can think to much, and get hung up on stupid details that are irrelevant as well. > To the rest of the group please forgive. I don't start them I just > finish them, and this one > is over. Actually, I've enjoyed it, and in some ways hope it's not over. I, and most others, are going to completely disagree with you, but I also enjoy seeing, reading, and taking part in the debates. They add flavor and fun to the list, and I'd love to see more things like this. So don't apologize. Even if you're totally wrong in this case. :) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 06 06:48:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41633 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 13:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 13:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 13:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kby8s-0008Ev-5V for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:47:58 -0400 Message-ID: <48C28A06.50706@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:47:50 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825b4b7d5acaa617ac896b717a7d6b9529d165baf9c4ea06a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=pIpWQDWY0v0ol6APPW0zdb6qYbJoQsHf6iXlPXwdDGGiANI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Osborn wrote: > I would like it pointed out the Amusement Today says that Voyage is a > wooden coaster > AND give it an award for being a wooden coaster, when it is mostly not a > wooden coaster. > I don't like the rules and I am voicing that by saying could we change > the language. Just a > cry of "foul" from the peanut gallery. That is SO WHAT. That is all. > But coasters are NOT classified by what their structure is made out of. They are classified based on what their track is made out of. If you're trying to figure it out based on structure you're going to end up so confused because of coasters that have wood track and steel structure, wood structure and steel track, etc., that you're never going to make sense. You'll be ordering trains for Cedar Creek Mine Ride, calling it a wood coaster, that won't run on anything but Mean Streak or Blue Streak. A coaster's structure is irrelevant when it comes to classifying what kind of coaster it is. It's the type of track. > >The > > contrasting wood and steel terms have been around for about 60 years > or so > > and used both by the people who make and own them. > > Referencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matterhorn_Bobsleds > > > "The attraction opened on June 14, 1959, as one of three new major > attractions for > Tomorrowland that year. Built by coaster builder Arrow Dynamics and WED > Imagineering, it > was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world." > > (tubular steel roller coaster, not my words Wikipedia's) > > SO at most the terms have been in around for 49 years. Umm, sorry, wrong. There have been steel coasters around since well before the Matterhorn. It was the first to use tubular steel, but there have been iron railed and steel railed coasters since long before the Matterhorn. Smaller kiddie coasters (look up the history of the Miler coaster), several of the oldest wild mice coasters, and many others uses steel and metal tracks well before the Matterhorn was built. > And the people who make them and own them are not needing to tell the > truth. They > need you to buy tickets to ride the rides. Tell the truth? So they can sell rides by not knowing what kind of ride it is they're selling? Umm, do you realize how silly that sounds? > > (By the way would you really use the term(s) used 60 years ago for the > decendents of > slaves and other "African" people today? Is that really an argument you > want to make?) And this is just so off base out outlandish that it doesn't even belong. Seriously- don't even try to bring bigotry on the list again. It won't go well with you. Next time try something that's actually relevant- horseless carriages maybe? Homes? (oh, they've always been called those), trains? nope, they haven't changed name either. hmmm > > > While it may be > > "offensive" that Gemini and Voyage don't compete, the terminology isn't > > changing anytime soon. > > > > It won't ever change if one doesn't seek a better way. > Sorry, but your way isn't better. And it's not new either. I've seen the same arguments crop up every now and then over the last 10 years, and in almost all cases the person has either been new to the hobby and confused, or someone wanting to impose their own standards on a system to make sense to them because they don't have understanding of history or mechanics. In both cases the people fade out either when they're informed and gain an understanding, or when they refuse to educate themselves and fade out after they've made themselves a pariah. I'm wondering if that is going to play out again... keep on ridin' George From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sat Sep 06 13:46:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33126 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 20:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 20:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 20:46:28 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so155353ywr.30 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:46:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.110.9 with SMTP id n9mr6782686ybm.239.1220733987479; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm3120006yxl.8.2008.09.06.13.46.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:46:26 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:46:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AckPyeRP2n+UkmMDQzeNsiFX/HBtewAalW4g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: <48c2ec22.e203be0a.42d9.173c@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=ul4hfDcvTQkCy85QBQ59_R9m5k5pLi8Z185_u-a_oaPlhTY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I would like it pointed out the Amusement Today says that Voyage is a wooden coaster AND give it an award for being a wooden coaster, when it is mostly not a wooden coaster." I guess we will have to disagree on this point. My personal view is that the track structure is made up of (roughly) the nuts, bolts, washers, track steel, cross pieces, and track stack. The majority of the track materials are wood and therefore I feel fine calling it a wooden coaster. The John Miller construction patent from 1924 calls the combination of the wooden track stack and the running steel the coaster track. This patent is considered pretty integral in wood coaster construction and I feel comfortable deferring to his expertise. "Referencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matterhorn_Bobsleds" "The attraction opened on June 14, 1959, as one of three new major attractions for Tomorrowland that year. Built by coaster builder Arrow Dynamics and WED Imagineering, it was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world." (tubular steel roller coaster, not my words Wikipedia's) SO at most the terms have been in around for 49 years." For tubular steel track, yes, but some sources date the German wild mice (wood structure, steel track) to the 30's. This and the subsequent imports in the 50's/60's were steel tracked. "And the people who make them and own them are not needing to tell the truth. They need you to buy tickets to ride the rides." So you're saying I have sold over 60 million dollars worth of ride equipment by "not needing to tell the truth"? I thought I was just good at my job. "(By the way would you really use the term(s) used 60 years ago for the decendents of slaves and other "African" people today? Is that really an argument you want to make?)" No and yes. While terms change over time, I have a hard time equating arguably the most divisive word in the American lexicon with a roller coaster terminology battle. Generally I guess I will have to invoke the Norris "agree to disagree" clause on this argument. I have no idea why this bothers you so much, but onward Roller Coaster soldier. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 06 20:46:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41494 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 03:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 03:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 03:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 03:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 03:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 03:46:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:46:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48c2ec22.e203be0a.42d9.173c@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.23.8.118 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=JDU1F2bcNE7pV2q3Q5ziZUeN7-uX1zTU3n_QIcqCtKE X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wr= ote: > Generally I guess I will have to invoke the Norris "agree to disagree" > clause on this argument. I have no idea why this bothers you so much, bu= t > onward Roller Coaster soldier. > Adam In truth I really don't care, but this is why this is important: Your are at the park (lets pick Valleyfair!) riding coasters. You join a g= roup of folk at least=20 one of whom is between the age of 5 and 12. You discuss coasters, and the = coasters in=20 the park. You either point out that there are two "wooden" coasters or are= asked about=20 the "three wooden coasters." One could, as this group does, spend the rest= of the time=20 lecturing the Amusement Today definition that this is classified this way a= nd that is classified that way.......=20=20=20 Or you just point to the track.=20=20 "See how that is flat?" "Yes"=20 "Remember how Excalibur has round 'tube-like' metal." "Yes" "That is the difference. There are only two that have track like this = here." "Oh. Okay....." Any other way you do it you are "inside baseball" arguing against the very = common since=20 point of view that, indeed the coaster is mostly made out of.... or the whe= els on the train=20 do touch metal.... with a person who knows nothing about acceleration and w= hy it is the=20 second derivative of displacement with respect to time.=20 The terms I use (note I never said you had to) make the dumb conversation g= o away, stays=20 within the vocabulary of the user, and does a better job of making clear th= e two types of=20 coasters that Amusement Today gives awards for, then the names Amusement To= day uses.=20 I do think after this discussion I will call them "flat rail" and "tube rai= l" coasters, when I=20 want to make an air tight distinction.=20=20 If I had my way they would all just be roller coasters. The other way do it would be to go MORE inside baseball. (Making this up o= n the spot so=20 if you get too critical about it you are too serious...) Classify the construction as: Cyclone (Steel with "wood track.") Leap-the-Dips (Wood with "wood track") Run-away-mine (Wood with tube track) corkscrew (Steel and tube) That way when you had to explain to your young rider friend in a nice why t= he Excalibur is=20 different then the High Roller they couldn't, correctly, refute you with Ki= ndergarden level=20 information. > "(By the way would you really use the term(s) used 60 years ago for the > decendents of slaves and other "African" people today? Is that really an > argument you want to make?)" >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > No and yes. While terms change over time, I have a hard time equating > arguably the most divisive word in the American lexicon with a roller > coaster terminology battle. I do admit that to some extent this was a nuclear hand grenade to drop in t= he=20 conversation. However the "reason" for doing something, someway is that "T= his is the=20 orthodox way to do it and we have always done it that way since whenever," = is not a=20 reason. That has to be the very definition of "closed minded" and that per= son deserves=20 pity and contempt. There is another related point to make about changing the vocabulary: Barr= ier to thought.=20=20 If you wind up telling a person that his (her) favorite wood coaster is not= a wood coaster=20 but a runaway mine ride, you have just put them off and called them ignoran= t. If instead=20 your response is, "Okay thats a good ride, do you have a favorite ride with= a flat rails=20 like...?" Then you have forced them to think about roller coaster in a new = way and started=20 reducing their ignorance. =20 > I guess we will have to disagree on this point. My personal view is that > the track structure is made up of (roughly) the nuts, bolts, washers, tra= ck > steel, cross pieces, and track stack. The majority of the track material= s > are wood and therefore I feel fine calling it a wooden coaster. The John > Miller construction patent from 1924 calls the combination of the wooden > track stack and the running steel the coaster track. This patent is > considered pretty integral in wood coaster construction and I feel > comfortable deferring to his expertise.=20=20 I will actually yield to this point. "Track" is a perfectly good name for = "the big wooden=20 assembly that holds up the metal things that the wheels run on." In fact I= can't think of a=20 better name (road bed is not right). So to correct my previous erroneous s= tatement: There=20 is no such think as a COMPLETELY wooden track (wheels always touch metal). = It is the=20 wheels always touching metal part is where someone who doesn't have passes = to more=20 then one park is going to get confused. Like I said, when talking to a eig= ht year old you=20 might have trouble making that point. He doesn't care about John Millers p= atent and to=20 him the track is that metal thing that the wheels touch. Note; Implied in your discussion (and by Amusement Today) is that a Wood co= aster has a=20 wood track and that is what makes it wood even if the rest of it is made ou= t of steel, bone,=20 or nanotubes; it is still a wood coaster. Again "Inside Baseball." On a g= roup like this it is=20 okay. Out in the queue line you are assuming too much. > "And the people who make them and own them are not needing to tell the > truth. They need you to buy tickets to ride the rides."=20=20 >=20 > So you're saying I have sold over 60 million dollars worth of ride equipm= ent > by "not needing to tell the truth"? I thought I was just good at my job.= =20=20 >=20 Well I don't know if you have personally lied about it. Do you know how man= y coaster I=20 have been on that claim something: "Fastest wooden roller coaster." "Recor= d airtime for a=20 wooden coaster." "Most zero-g time on any coaster." I really wish it would= all just go=20 away. They only reason anyone talks about wooden coasters is the twin sill= iness of=20 marketing and those that think steel coasters "cheat." "This is the fastest= coaster not of=20 the type that is the fastest coaster." On top of it all every reasonable "= record" that people=20 give (length, speed, height, drop) are mostly meaningless for the enjoyabil= ity of the ride=20 And even more on top of that: Have you looked at the stats for the Mauch Ch= unk and=20 Summit Hill Switchback Railroad:=20=20 ONE of the lifts: Over 600 ft Max speed: >100 mph (if you are going to drop 600 ft... It used brakemen s= o each ride=20 was different.) Length: 18 miles Some of the pictures have riders sitting sideways (90 degrees to direction = of travel) to take=20 in the view.=20=20 It was a closed loop.=20=20 On the down hill parts of the up hill run the cars were powered by gravity. They pulled cars up with mules to begin with later they were pulled up by c= ables and had ratchets to prevent roll back. The thing became used only for= recreation by 1872. (I gotta get me one of those!) You are going to have to really really really try hard not to call it a rol= ler coaster.=20=20 Which means that no record (except for inversions) held by any roller coast= er anywhere=20 since 1932 means crap. AND that is the truth. > "Referencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matterhorn_Bobsleds" >=20 > "The attraction opened on June 14, 1959, as one of three new major > attractions for Tomorrowland that year. Built by coaster builder Arrow > Dynamics and WED Imagineering, it was the first tubular steel roller coas= ter > in the world." (tubular steel roller coaster, not my words Wikipedia's) S= O > at most the terms have been in around for 49 years." >=20 > For tubular steel track, yes, but some sources date the German wild mice > (wood structure, steel track) to the 30's. This and the subsequent impor= ts > in the 50's/60's were steel tracked.=20=20=20=20 >=20 So the Matterhorn Bobsleds were not the first steel track coasters, as my o= wn discussion=20 of the Mauch Chunk and Summit Hill Switchback Railroad shows. However use = of "Wood vs=20 Steel" could not have reached the non-technical lexicon until the American = Eagle lost the=20 title of World's fastest roller coaster. A roller coaster was just a rolle= r coaster. Since then=20 we have kept two sets of books one for "wood" and one for "all." I really really really want to build a 2000 ft tall concrete roller coaster= with carbon fiber=20 track to ask Amusement Today "What golden ticket are you going to give that= ?" That would pretty much settle it.=20=20=20=20=20=20 jjloj =20=20 =20 From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 06 21:36:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14306 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 04:36:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 04:36:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 04:36:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 04:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 04:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 04:36:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:36:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48C28738.7010004@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.23.8.118 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=voKiNEfftn0Yr9dsfeCE9OnrputG-ZemJp2PMnJe-Pw X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Jon Osborn wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Would in your opinion "flat rail" and "tube rail" be better nouns as th= e=20 > > descriptions? >=20 > Frankly, no. Sorry, but I don't think you're going to find support on=20 > this one. >=20 Support is for bras.... > A wood coaster's track is made of layers of treated wood stacked on top=20 > of each other. The track is NOT made of steel, it's made of wood. Just= =20 > because there is a thin layer of steel laid over it in places does not=20 > change what the actual track is made of. >=20 But the part where the wheels touch on both types of coasters is metal. "F= lat rail" rail and=20 "tube rail" don't refer to track. > Additionally, there are a lot of steel coasters out there that do not=20 > have tubular track.=20=20 A lot. There are like 10 parks within one days drive from where I live I h= ave been to all but=20 three of them and a couple further out. Lets say I have ridden 50 or so ro= ller coasters.=20=20 Never seen a flat rail coaster. It the sample is representative then we ar= e talking less then=20 2%. I know some "wild mouse" coasters at one time had non-tube track, and = of course=20 there is were "Scenic Railways...."=20=20=20=20 >They have iron or steel rails. Does that suddenly=20 > change what kind of coaster they are? No. >=20 Give me some names. After I ride them I will let you know. > Coasters have been classified and identified by the type of track=20 > they've had for over 60 years- long before the Matterhorn became the=20 > first tubular steel coaster. And it's not their support structure-=20 > otherwise you would be calling many of the old classic coasters (e.g.=20 > Coney Cyclone) steel coasters, which would certainly be inaccurate. >=20 Well, yes but people were not running around giving awards either. I am goi= ng to=20 respectfully disagree. Technical people may have been calling them "steel'= and "wood"=20 based only on the track type, but I am guessing to most of the world they w= ere just roller=20 coasters until the American Eagle lost the "Worlds Fastest" title. Then al= l of a sudden we=20 had to have two sets of records. My guess is that prior to that they were = all just roller=20 coasters to the public. > > > <> > > > > > > A bit too much, I'd say. > > > > > There is no such thing a thinking too much. >=20 > Oh trust me, as a teacher there is absolutely such a thing. I've had a=20 > few students who were so busy thinking that they were never able to=20 > actually get anything done. Nor move from basic concepts onto more=20 > advance ones. Yes, you can think to much, and get hung up on stupid=20 > details that are irrelevant as well. >=20 To split a hair with you. You can think to HARD, you can't think to much. > > To the rest of the group please forgive. I don't start them I just=20 > > finish them, and this one > > is over. >=20 > Actually, I've enjoyed it, and in some ways hope it's not over. I, and=20 > most others, are going to completely disagree with you, but I also enjoy= =20 > seeing, reading, and taking part in the debates. They add flavor and=20 > fun to the list, and I'd love to see more things like this. So don't=20 > apologize. Even if you're totally wrong in this case. :) >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > Again on the totally wrong thing: 1. I said I think Renegade is better then Voyage (Golden Ticket not withsta= nding). That=20 can't be wrong because I know what I think. 2. When questioned to explain why I called the Voyage a "flat track" coaste= r I explained=20 that "flat track" was my term for "wooden tracked" coasters. This is also = correct because it=20 was the term I used (for reason's I put in another post). There are more. The ONLY thing I said that as in error was:"There is no s= uch thing as a=20 wooden track." This still is not in error because in my personal lexicon "= track" means "The=20 metal part the wheels touch. " The error was not to be expect that for man= y in this group=20 "track" ONLY means the "The whole *expletive deleted* structure down to the= supports." So the corrected statement is: There is no such thing as a COMPLETELY woode= n track. (In=20 contrast to a COMPLETELY steel track which does exist.) The first statemen= t was not=20 totally wrong just in the wrong language. The tracks are flat, when contrasted with tube-steel. On the bigger point: Unless you know the "rules" and are one of the "cool = kids" the=20 Voyage is a mostly steel coaster. To call it a "wood" coaster and give it = an award as such=20 would leave an "outsider" lost, and that is why the language needs to chang= e. Coasters=20 are about fun, fun should be inclusive not exclusive. Outside coaster nerd= s I want to talk=20 like the people I am riding with. In here I will probably do the same beca= use it causes so=20 much fun. As to the apology, his post had almost no coaster content and answering it = was only an=20 exercise in ego. Let idiots be idiots and ignore them. (Cause it is illeg= al to shoot them.) jjloj=20 From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Sep 06 21:49:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12042 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 04:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 04:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-199.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 04:49:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19278 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 2008 04:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 04:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KcCDb-0007Yv-Ra for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:49:48 -0600 Message-Id: <791953A4-0B74-4369-9F34-1436B4050309@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:49:53 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=XZfy2Dqw5juKubcUFVMZ4O4hCyq-YGzNZFJtDOlo7irWOB2IQLZv X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > In truth I really don't care, but this is why this is important: > Your are at the park (lets pick Valleyfair!) riding coasters. You > join a group of folk at least > one of whom is between the age of 5 and 12. You discuss coasters, > and the coasters in > the park. You either point out that there are two "wooden" coasters > or are asked about > the "three wooden coasters." One could, as this group does, spend > the rest of the time > lecturing the Amusement Today definition that this is classified > this way and that is classified that way....... In my case I would let it go. It's cool enough for me that they're talking about coasters, no reason to get into an argument over something so minor with a 5 year old. I'd rather it be talking about something else, like what they thought the best ride in the park is. > Or you just point to the track. > "See how that is flat?" > "Yes" > "Remember how Excalibur has round 'tube-like' metal." > "Yes" > "That is the difference. There are only two that have track like > this here." > "Oh. Okay....." > Any other way you do it you are "inside baseball" arguing against > the very common since > point of view that, indeed the coaster is mostly made out of.... or > the wheels on the train > do touch metal.... with a person who knows nothing about > acceleration and why it is the > second derivative of displacement with respect to time. > > The terms I use (note I never said you had to) make the dumb > conversation go away, stays > within the vocabulary of the user, and does a better job of making > clear the two types of > coasters that Amusement Today gives awards for, then the names > Amusement Today uses. I'm not sure you need to know calculus and displacement derivatives to classify a coaster type. If you were really going all out trying to classify ride types, other than just looking at whether the track is wood or steel, or how it rides, you could just as easily look at what type of wheels the trains have... I believe most wood coaster trains have entirely metal wheels, while most steel coaster trains have metal wheels coated with polyurethane or other plastics/rubber (or pneumatic tires, like Dodonpa). But like I said, it's such a minor thing, and I tend to agree with Adam to agree to disagree. Mike From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 06 22:49:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40179 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 05:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 05:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 05:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 05:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 05:49:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:49:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48C28A06.50706@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.23.8.118 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=dgwpU6MjrG36xBDykVOMZouUmGalOlxVwmhXBqSg1Y0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Jon Osborn wrote: >=20 > > I would like it pointed out the Amusement Today says that Voyage is a=20 > > wooden coaster > > AND give it an award for being a wooden coaster, when it is mostly not = a=20 > > wooden coaster. > > I don't like the rules and I am voicing that by saying could we change= =20 > > the language. Just a > > cry of "foul" from the peanut gallery. That is SO WHAT. That is all. > >=20 >=20 > But coasters are NOT classified by what their structure is made out of.=20 > They are classified based on what their track is made out of.=20 Says who? Buddha? Jesus? Moses? The Profit? Your Momma?=20 > If you're=20 > trying to figure it out based on structure you're going to end up so=20 > confused because of coasters that have wood track and steel structure,=20 > wood structure and steel track, etc., that you're never going to make=20 > sense. You'll be ordering trains for Cedar Creek Mine Ride, calling it=20 > a wood coaster, that won't run on anything but Mean Streak or Blue Streak= . Oh! The manufactures. Okay couple of points. B&M, PTC, Verkoma, etc. not = Deities. And=20 since they are not Deities and I never signed any contract, maintenance I d= on't care what=20 they want me to call it. As for me there are only two kinds of coasters. = Those I will ride=20 again and those I won't. >=20 > A coaster's structure is irrelevant when it comes to classifying what=20 > kind of coaster it is. It's the type of track. > Because? I do think it make a difference in the ride quality and the maint= enance. > > >The > > > contrasting wood and steel terms have been around for about 60 years= =20 > > or so > > > and used both by the people who make and own them. > >=20 > > Referencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matterhorn_Bobsleds=20 > > > >=20 > > "The attraction opened on June 14, 1959, as one of three new major=20 > > attractions for > > Tomorrowland that year. Built by coaster builder Arrow Dynamics and WED= =20 > > Imagineering, it > > was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world." > >=20 > > (tubular steel roller coaster, not my words Wikipedia's) > >=20 > > SO at most the terms have been in around for 49 years. >=20 > Umm, sorry, wrong. There have been steel coasters around since well=20 > before the Matterhorn. It was the first to use tubular steel, but there= =20 > have been iron railed and steel railed coasters since long before the=20 > Matterhorn. Smaller kiddy coasters (look up the history of the Miler=20 > coaster), several of the oldest wild mice coasters, and many others uses= =20 > steel and metal tracks well before the Matterhorn was built. > See other post. =20 > > And the people who make them and own them are not needing to tell the=20 > > truth. They > > need you to buy tickets to ride the rides. >=20 > Tell the truth? So they can sell rides by not knowing what kind of ride= =20 > it is they're selling? Umm, do you realize how silly that sounds? There is only one kind of ride: roller coaster. But the people who sell them will say something like: This is the tallest = roller coaster with=20 a steel structure (in the county). Fastest with a wooden track (built on a= Tuesday) in the=20 region north of the Mississippi (and south of Canada). Because if my coaster isn't special then you will not come ride it.=20=20 Is it an out and out false hood. Maybe not. The sprit of it is a lie. Th= is coaster is the best=20 (unless there is one better somewhere else).=20=20 That is the untruth of the marketing. > >=20 > > (By the way would you really use the term(s) used 60 years ago for the= =20 > > decendents of > > slaves and other "African" people today? Is that really an argument you= =20 > > want to make?) >=20 > And this is just so off base out outlandish that it doesn't even belong.= =20 > Seriously- don't even try to bring bigotry on the list again. It won't= =20 > go well with you. You miss the point and that is my fault. "This is the orthodox name we hav= e always used=20 it because it was given to us by the great one, and we will use the orthodo= x name until=20 the great one comes again. If the orthodox name runs counter to the logic = of the day then=20=20 we will call those who question the orthodox name heretics and burn them at= the stake." This is definition of closed mindedness and it is never a reason not to cha= nge the lexicon.=20=20 It is a reason for pity and contempt (and from time to time revolution) not= a reason not to=20 change the lexicon.=20 >=20 > Next time try something that's actually relevant- horseless carriages=20 > maybe? Homes? (oh, they've always been called those), trains? nope,=20 > they haven't changed name either. hmmm >=20 > >=20 > > > While it may be > > > "offensive" that Gemini and Voyage don't compete, the terminology is= n't > > > changing anytime soon. > > > > >=20 > > It won't ever change if one doesn't seek a better way. > >=20 >=20 > Sorry, but your way isn't better.=20=20 My way is better because it is simpler to understand. >And it's not new either. Don't care. > I've seen=20 > the same arguments crop up every now and then over the last 10 years, So I am not the only one who thinks a "wood coaster" should be made out of = wood and=20 that if you really mean a "A coaster with a wood track and track steel, no = matter what the=20 supporting structure is." You should use a few more words then "Wood Coaste= r." =20 > and in almost all cases the person has either been new to the hobby New to the hobby. Ya, right. > and=20 > confused,=20 Confused - Not that either. >or someone wanting to impose their own standards on a system Standards, generally I am opposed to them. But in this case, well you are = right. I want to=20 have a standard. A "wood roller coaster" should mean the same thing to a f= ive to eight=20 year old, or any person off the street as it does to a coaster fan. Is tha= t such a really high=20 standard? Would it be SO terrible if Amusement Today called Voyage "best w= ood track=20 coaster" instead "best wood coaster." I know, it is five letters, that is a= totally unreasonable=20 standard. =20 > to make sense=20 If you make sense of it you missed the point. >to them because they don't have understanding of history=20 Here is the history: "Wood' coasters used to be "king." Steel coasters no= w hold all of the=20 "records" (See my other post about the Switchback railways). Wood coaster = fans are a=20 vocal group who will spend money and they are sad about Wood Coasters not b= eing "king"=20 anymore. Marketers detect the money and say. "Its alright, we will call c= oasters with flat=20 thin track steel 'wooden coasters' and we will give them their own awards a= nd own records=20 so your 'wood coaster fans' will be happy and give us your money." Now the= marketers=20 had two sets of meaningless "records" to get people to spend there money to= ride a=20 specific coaster at a specific park where the rides really are nothing spec= ial like: Cedar=20 Point.=20=20 That is pretty much the history right? > or mechanics. I teach Mechanics at a part of my Physics 101 class. > In both cases the people fade out either when they're=20 > informed=20 You are going to try to inform me. Good luck with that. > and gain an understanding,=20 There is no understanding: sometimes a roller coaster is just a roller coas= ter. >or when they refuse to educate themselves=20 Refuse to educate, like those people the Chairman Mao had to send to the "r= e-education=20 camps" be cause they "refused to educate" the first time. =20 > and fade out after they've made themselves a pariah.=20=20 If pariah is your word for "Great Intellect that causes other to overt ther= e eyes." I am=20 working on it.=20 >I'm=20 > wondering if that is going to play out again... >=20 I am guessing you are wondering something different now. > keep on ridin' > George > I sent this while riding. Sent from my iphone. From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 06 23:00:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78889 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 06:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 06:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 06:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 06:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 06:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 06:00:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:00:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <791953A4-0B74-4369-9F34-1436B4050309@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.23.8.118 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=srcg9Ck5xh22H0VBj9CqPgLGmP53AGUVSqNaI5lcs_0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone = wrote: > > > In truth I really don't care, but this is why this is important: > > Your are at the park (lets pick Valleyfair!) riding coasters. You=20=20 > > join a group of folk at least > > one of whom is between the age of 5 and 12. You discuss coasters,=20=20 > > and the coasters in > > the park. You either point out that there are two "wooden" coasters = =20 > > or are asked about > > the "three wooden coasters." One could, as this group does, spend=20=20 > > the rest of the time > > lecturing the Amusement Today definition that this is classified=20=20 > > this way and that is classified that way....... >=20 > In my case I would let it go. It's cool enough for me that they're=20=20 > talking about coasters, no reason to get into an argument over=20=20 > something so minor with a 5 year old. I'd rather it be talking about = =20 > something else, like what they thought the best ride in the park is. >=20 I try to avoid the topic of wood vs steel all together, it does just seem t= o come up. > > Or you just point to the track. > > "See how that is flat?" > > "Yes" > > "Remember how Excalibur has round 'tube-like' metal." > > "Yes" > > "That is the difference. There are only two that have track like = =20 > > this here." > > "Oh. Okay....." > > Any other way you do it you are "inside baseball" arguing against=20=20 > > the very common since > > point of view that, indeed the coaster is mostly made out of.... or = =20 > > the wheels on the train > > do touch metal.... with a person who knows nothing about=20=20 > > acceleration and why it is the > > second derivative of displacement with respect to time. > > > > The terms I use (note I never said you had to) make the dumb=20=20 > > conversation go away, stays > > within the vocabulary of the user, and does a better job of making=20=20 > > clear the two types of > > coasters that Amusement Today gives awards for, then the names=20=20 > > Amusement Today uses. >=20 > I'm not sure you need to know calculus and displacement derivatives to = =20 > classify a coaster type. If you were really going all out trying to=20=20 > classify ride types, other than just looking at whether the track is=20=20 > wood or steel, or how it rides, you could just as easily look at what = =20 > type of wheels the trains have... I believe most wood coaster trains=20=20 > have entirely metal wheels, while most steel coaster trains have metal = =20 > wheels coated with polyurethane or other plastics/rubber (or pneumatic = =20 > tires, like Dodonpa). I think this would make the Son of Beast a "Steel Coaster." I will have to= double check the=20 new cars next month, but I think they still have "plastic" wheels. That wo= uld make the=20 marketers mad since it was built specifically to hold "wooden" roller coast= er records. In a=20 way I like it. The only real problem is that the wheels on many "wooden" c= oaster are a little=20 hard to see. >=20 > But like I said, it's such a minor thing, and I tend to agree with=20=20 > Adam to agree to disagree. >=20 > Mike > If every one had done that we wouldn't have gotten this far with the thread= .=20=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Sep 06 23:07:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41633 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 06:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 06:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 06:07:51 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id l24so953974waf.11 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:07:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.37.1 with SMTP id k1mr751256wak.44.1220767671060; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap6.p4.sca.7sys.net ( [66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g25sm2740364wag.4.2008.09.06.23.07.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48c36fb5.1921720a.53bf.ffffed83@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=5I8m2QUv2HQG8zpn4RF8OEWM5QFAyxP_Min6PuCZGB5AdQ1-sg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Go away, you arrogant prick. --- Original Message --- From:"Jon Osborn" Sent:Sun 9/7/08 1:49 am To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > Jon Osborn wrote: > > > I would like it pointed out the Amusement Today says that Voyage is a > > wooden coaster > > AND give it an award for being a wooden coaster, when it is mostly not a > > wooden coaster. > > I don't like the rules and I am voicing that by saying could we change > > the language. Just a > > cry of "foul" from the peanut gallery. That is SO WHAT. That is all. > > > > But coasters are NOT classified by what their structure is made out of. > They are classified based on what their track is made out of. Says who? Buddha? Jesus? Moses? The Profit? Your Momma? > If you're > trying to figure it out based on structure you're going to end up so > confused because of coasters that have wood track and steel structure, > wood structure and steel track, etc., that you're never going to make > sense. You'll be ordering trains for Cedar Creek Mine Ride, calling it > a wood coaster, that won't run on anything but Mean Streak or Blue Streak. Oh! The manufactures. Okay couple of points. B&M, PTC, Verkoma, etc. not Deities. And since they are not Deities and I never signed any contract, maintenance I don't care what they want me to call it. As for me there are only two kinds of coasters. Those I will ride again and those I won't. > > A coaster's structure is irrelevant when it comes to classifying what > kind of coaster it is. It's the type of track. > Because? I do think it make a difference in the ride quality and the maintenance. > > >The > > > contrasting wood and steel terms have been around for about 60 years > > or so > > > and used both by the people who make and own them. > > > > Referencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matterhorn_Bobsleds > > > > > > "The attraction opened on June 14, 1959, as one of three new major > > attractions for > > Tomorrowland that year. Built by coaster builder Arrow Dynamics and WED > > Imagineering, it > > was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world." > > > > (tubular steel roller coaster, not my words Wikipedia's) > > > > SO at most the terms have been in around for 49 years. > > Umm, sorry, wrong. There have been steel coasters around since well > before the Matterhorn. It was the first to use tubular steel, but there > have been iron railed and steel railed coasters since long before the > Matterhorn. Smaller kiddy coasters (look up the history of the Miler > coaster), several of the oldest wild mice coasters, and many others uses > steel and metal tracks well before the Matterhorn was built. > See other post. > > And the people who make them and own them are not needing to tell the > > truth. They > > need you to buy tickets to ride the rides. > > Tell the truth? So they can sell rides by not knowing what kind of ride > it is they're selling? Umm, do you realize how silly that sounds? There is only one kind of ride: roller coaster. But the people who sell them will say something like: This is the tallest roller coaster with a steel structure (in the county). Fastest with a wooden track (built on a Tuesday) in the region north of the Mississippi (and south of Canada). Because if my coaster isn't special then you will not come ride it. Is it an out and out false hood. Maybe not. The sprit of it is a lie. This coaster is the best (unless there is one better somewhere else). That is the untruth of the marketing. > > > > (By the way would you really use the term(s) used 60 years ago for the > > decendents of > > slaves and other "African" people today? Is that really an argument you > > want to make?) > > And this is just so off base out outlandish that it doesn't even belong. > Seriously- don't even try to bring bigotry on the list again. It won't > go well with you. You miss the point and that is my fault. "This is the orthodox name we have always used it because it was given to us by the great one, and we will use the orthodox name until the great one comes again. If the orthodox name runs counter to the logic of the day then we will call those who question the orthodox name heretics and burn them at the stake." This is definition of closed mindedness and it is never a reason not to change the lexicon. It is a reason for pity and contempt (and from time to time revolution) not a reason not to change the lexicon. > > Next time try something that's actually relevant- horseless carriages > maybe? Homes? (oh, they've always been called those), trains? nope, > they haven't changed name either. hmmm > > > > > > While it may be > > > "offensive" that Gemini and Voyage don't compete, the terminology isn't > > > changing anytime soon. > > > > > > > It won't ever change if one doesn't seek a better way. > > > > Sorry, but your way isn't better. My way is better because it is simpler to understand. >And it's not new either. Don't care. > I've seen > the same arguments crop up every now and then over the last 10 years, So I am not the only one who thinks a "wood coaster" should be made out of wood and that if you really mean a "A coaster with a wood track and track steel, no matter what the supporting structure is." You should use a few more words then "Wood Coaster." > and in almost all cases the person has either been new to the hobby New to the hobby. Ya, right. > and > confused, Confused - Not that either. >or someone wanting to impose their own standards on a system Standards, generally I am opposed to them. But in this case, well you are right. I want to have a standard. A "wood roller coaster" should mean the same thing to a five to eight year old, or any person off the street as it does to a coaster fan. Is that such a really high standard? Would it be SO terrible if Amusement Today called Voyage "best wood track coaster" instead "best wood coaster." I know, it is five letters, that is a totally unreasonable standard. > to make sense If you make sense of it you missed the point. >to them because they don't have understanding of history Here is the history: "Wood' coasters used to be "king." Steel coasters now hold all of the "records" (See my other post about the Switchback railways). Wood coaster fans are a vocal group who will spend money and they are sad about Wood Coasters not being "king" anymore. Marketers detect the money and say. "Its alright, we will call coasters with flat thin track steel 'wooden coasters' and we will give them their own awards and own records so your 'wood coaster fans' will be happy and give us your money." Now the marketers had two sets of meaningless "records" to get people to spend there money to ride a specific coaster at a specific park where the rides really are nothing special like: Cedar Point. That is pretty much the history right? > or mechanics. I teach Mechanics at a part of my Physics 101 class. > In both cases the people fade out either when they're > informed You are going to try to inform me. Good luck with that. > and gain an understanding, There is no understanding: sometimes a roller coaster is just a roller coaster. >or when they refuse to educate themselves Refuse to educate, like those people the Chairman Mao had to send to the "re-education camps" be cause they "refused to educate" the first time. > and fade out after they've made themselves a pariah. If pariah is your word for "Great Intellect that causes other to overt there eyes." I am working on it. >I'm > wondering if that is going to play out again... > I am guessing you are wondering something different now. > keep on ridin' > George > I sent this while riding. Sent from my iphone. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Sep 07 05:32:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6532 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 12:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 12:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 12:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KcJRc-0006db-A2 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:32:44 -0400 Message-ID: <48C3C9E4.4040001@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:32:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48c36fb5.1921720a.53bf.ffffed83@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <48c36fb5.1921720a.53bf.ffffed83@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47825b4b7d5acaa617a3c7bed8436474e22950fafa23396badd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=43whKLXzfSirSdT2rcBdrmdNcM6eZ308cXNZt0J8_kR2kHY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash > > Go away, And when it gets to this point, then someone needs to step back away from the keyboard and take a deep breath rather than hit that send key. Easy there. You may not agree with what he says, you may not agree with how he says it, but that's not an excuse to pull out the flame bat. If you don't want to discuss/ argue it with him, then don't and skip over the conversation. George From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Sep 07 09:42:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7233 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 16:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 16:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 16:41:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24468 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 16:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Sep 2008 16:41:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <17541B36-054A-4F08-A69C-207FC0F828BA@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:41:51 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=KsuTZAB-R5ZU5-kExtBoflQ2qldBBHlA_Pl0Mr1sTZL9dhs4 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Oh lordy lord.. > Your are at the park (lets pick Valleyfair!) riding coasters. You > join a group of folk at least > one of whom is between the age of 5 and 12. You discuss coasters, > and the coasters in > the park. You use it as an opportunity to teach the kid, and give him the correct information. It's as simple as "see how the track is made up from layers of wood? That's a wooden coaster" and "see how that track is steel? That's a steel coaster". Done. > The terms I use (note I never said you had to) make the dumb > conversation go away, stays How is it a dumb conversation? When I hang around with people who know a lot about cars, I want them to tell me the correct terms and, you know, teach me about cars. I don't want them to just say "don't worry your pretty little head about it, turn the key and it goes.". > There is another related point to make about changing the > vocabulary: Barrier to thought. > If you wind up telling a person that his (her) favorite wood > coaster is not a wood coaster > but a runaway mine ride, you have just put them off and called them > ignorant. Maybe .. it depends how you do it. If you get all up in their face and say "it's not a wood coaster, you moron" (in much the same tone you're talking to us), then yes .. they will be offended. If however they ask you about it, and you explain it to them, then you're actually helping them out and they will likely be appreciative. > But the part where the wheels touch on both types of coasters is > metal. "Flat rail" rail and > "tube rail" don't refer to track. That is a ridiculous and overly pedantic statement. It's like saying "the wheels you have on your car make no difference because it's the tyres which actually touch the ground". >> They have iron or steel rails. Does that suddenly >> change what kind of coaster they are? No. > > Give me some names. After I ride them I will let you know. Superman: The Escape. > On the bigger point: Unless you know the "rules" and are one of > the "cool kids" the > Voyage is a mostly steel coaster. To call it a "wood" coaster and > give it an award as such > would leave an "outsider" lost, and that is why the language needs > to change. Coasters Really? I have taken a lot of people to Holiday World and Indiana Beach who are not enthusiasts, some as young as 4 and 5 years old. None of them have had any troubles identifying the steel framed coasters as "wood". Do you know why? Because they look like wood coasters. Non-enthusiasts don't give a crap about the actual support material; they simply see a lattice of supports, and equate that with a wooden coaster. In fact most of them have been genuinely surprised when I've pointed out that the structure is actually steel. > Oh! The manufactures. Okay couple of points. B&M, PTC, Verkoma, > etc. not Deities. But it's THEIR industry. They have designed it all, engineered it all, made it all possible. In the amusement park industry their word is in fact lore. (Well obviously not actual lore, but it sounds cooler that way :) ). >> A coaster's structure is irrelevant when it comes to classifying what >> kind of coaster it is. It's the type of track. > > Because? I do think it make a difference in the ride quality and > the maintenance. Of course it makes a difference, but no where near as big a difference as the type of track. Location makes a difference too, as does the type of train, where you sit, who you sit with, the weather, the time of day, what you're wearing, etc etc etc. > There is only one kind of ride: roller coaster. Umm .. ok. So what are you saying, that all parks need only a single roller coaster and then call it a day? While they're at it, why not just all have a single flat-ride? That's insane! Hot-dogs, burgers, fries .. it's all just food, so we only need a single outlet too. Why worry about "best hotdog" in the country, or "best pizza"? I mean they are both meat and/or veg on bread, it's too confusing. I was with a little kid one day and he couldn't figure out why a hotdog was different from a pizza. Then we walked by a gyros place, and his head flat-out exploded. I mean who invented these ridiculous, vague terms for what is obviously all the same stuff. Pepperoni, sausage, gyros meat - they all come from mammals, and are placed upon leavened dough of flour and water. We need to band together and go after the evil marketing scumbags who are oppressing the masses for obvious total, world domination. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Sep 07 09:43:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75213 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 16:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 16:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 16:43:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17646 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 16:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Sep 2008 16:43:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C8999AE-E9DB-4828-84FA-1E552C018A32@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:43:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: introduction: heyyyy! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=05k0FzUqmX2NhXL5uTeY4LJVBVVzdC3Mt8fp-PHYzLoVVkzp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, I now live in Chicago, but grew up in Australia. I was in the UK in 2006 and had just an amazing time. Alton Towers, Blackpool and even Thorpe Park are thoroughly fantastic. I am anxious to get back one day :) Cameron. On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:30 AM, dorton_1969 wrote: > > oooo.....thankies cam!. heyyyyy!. where are you from? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** It's coming this way, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Shut the door, quick! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Sep 07 10:20:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39076 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 17:20:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 17:20:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.177) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 17:20:33 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so902589wah.19 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.79.18 with SMTP id c18mr11675431wab.86.1220808033535; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap6.p4.sca.7sys.net ( [66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k37sm3331548waf.31.2008.09.07.10.20.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48c40d60.25bb720a.6d87.ffff94ea@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=tFO1Cn4vqw6g1W3TyWxqXVVelUTA02mlTh5e2hepiO5Anq_zSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Just saying what others are thinking. Can't help it I speak my mind... --- Original Message --- From:"george burnash" Sent:Sun 9/7/08 8:32 am To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster > > Go away, And when it gets to this point, then someone needs to step back away from the keyboard and take a deep breath rather than hit that send key. Easy there. You may not agree with what he says, you may not agree with how he says it, but that's not an excuse to pull out the flame bat. If you don't want to discuss/ argue it with him, then don't and skip over the conversation. George From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Sep 07 13:20:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83628 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 20:20:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 20:20:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 20:20:49 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d31so191157and.92 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.232.13 with SMTP id e13mr14708975anh.140.1220818849101; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0809071320m7594129fq98f4d532bc6d7db4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:20:48 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48C28A06.50706@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=89C8o5pAWiQePx1icQP7efIb83g5kzZ9um36K56EpjnT-Mg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I would just like to point out a few things 1. your post is much more combative, argumentative, and undeniably closed minded than anyone responding to you. 2. 6 year olds will see metal shaped to look like the traditional woden supports and understand the difference, likewise they will ride that wood supported mine train and notice the different way the ride 'feels' and understand the difference. the one thing missing most from this discussion is that at the backbone of these rides is the way they feel...and that is where these definitions come in to play. 3. you really need to calm down with the wildly inappropriate metaphors. derogatory words stemming from slavery, and the chinese masacre of the intellectual society of tibet have no place in a wood vs. steel terminology discussion. The people on this list are politely disagreeing with you, and you are trying to act as if you are being 'kept down by the man'. take a step back, and calm down. 4. butts hahahaha On 9/7/08, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash > wrote: >> >> Jon Osborn wrote: >> >> > I would like it pointed out the Amusement Today says that Voyage is a >> > wooden coaster >> > AND give it an award for being a wooden coaster, when it is mostly not a >> > >> > wooden coaster. >> > I don't like the rules and I am voicing that by saying could we change >> > the language. Just a >> > cry of "foul" from the peanut gallery. That is SO WHAT. That is all. >> > >> >> But coasters are NOT classified by what their structure is made out of. >> They are classified based on what their track is made out of. > > Says who? Buddha? Jesus? Moses? The Profit? Your Momma? > > >> If you're >> trying to figure it out based on structure you're going to end up so >> confused because of coasters that have wood track and steel structure, >> wood structure and steel track, etc., that you're never going to make >> sense. You'll be ordering trains for Cedar Creek Mine Ride, calling it >> a wood coaster, that won't run on anything but Mean Streak or Blue Streak. > > Oh! The manufactures. Okay couple of points. B&M, PTC, Verkoma, etc. not > Deities. And > since they are not Deities and I never signed any contract, maintenance I > don't care what > they want me to call it. As for me there are only two kinds of coasters. > Those I will ride > again and those I won't. >> >> A coaster's structure is irrelevant when it comes to classifying what >> kind of coaster it is. It's the type of track. >> > Because? I do think it make a difference in the ride quality and the > maintenance. > > > > >The >> > > contrasting wood and steel terms have been around for about 60 years >> > or so >> > > and used both by the people who make and own them. >> > >> > Referencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matterhorn_Bobsleds >> > >> > >> > "The attraction opened on June 14, 1959, as one of three new major >> > attractions for >> > Tomorrowland that year. Built by coaster builder Arrow Dynamics and WED >> > Imagineering, it >> > was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world." >> > >> > (tubular steel roller coaster, not my words Wikipedia's) >> > >> > SO at most the terms have been in around for 49 years. >> >> Umm, sorry, wrong. There have been steel coasters around since well >> before the Matterhorn. It was the first to use tubular steel, but there >> have been iron railed and steel railed coasters since long before the >> Matterhorn. Smaller kiddy coasters (look up the history of the Miler >> coaster), several of the oldest wild mice coasters, and many others uses >> steel and metal tracks well before the Matterhorn was built. >> > See other post. > > >> > And the people who make them and own them are not needing to tell the >> > truth. They >> > need you to buy tickets to ride the rides. >> >> Tell the truth? So they can sell rides by not knowing what kind of ride >> it is they're selling? Umm, do you realize how silly that sounds? > > There is only one kind of ride: roller coaster. > > But the people who sell them will say something like: This is the tallest > roller coaster with > a steel structure (in the county). Fastest with a wooden track (built on a > Tuesday) in the > region north of the Mississippi (and south of Canada). > > Because if my coaster isn't special then you will not come ride it. > > Is it an out and out false hood. Maybe not. The sprit of it is a lie. > This coaster is the best > (unless there is one better somewhere else). > > That is the untruth of the marketing. > >> > >> > (By the way would you really use the term(s) used 60 years ago for the >> > decendents of >> > slaves and other "African" people today? Is that really an argument you >> > want to make?) >> >> And this is just so off base out outlandish that it doesn't even belong. >> Seriously- don't even try to bring bigotry on the list again. It won't >> go well with you. > > > You miss the point and that is my fault. "This is the orthodox name we have > always used > it because it was given to us by the great one, and we will use the orthodox > name until > the great one comes again. If the orthodox name runs counter to the logic > of the day then > we will call those who question the orthodox name heretics and burn them at > the stake." > This is definition of closed mindedness and it is never a reason not to > change the lexicon. > It is a reason for pity and contempt (and from time to time revolution) not > a reason not to > change the lexicon. > >> >> Next time try something that's actually relevant- horseless carriages >> maybe? Homes? (oh, they've always been called those), trains? nope, >> they haven't changed name either. hmmm >> >> > >> > > While it may be >> > > "offensive" that Gemini and Voyage don't compete, the terminology >> > isn't >> > > changing anytime soon. >> > > >> > >> > It won't ever change if one doesn't seek a better way. >> > >> >> Sorry, but your way isn't better. > > My way is better because it is simpler to understand. > >>And it's not new either. > > Don't care. > >> I've seen >> the same arguments crop up every now and then over the last 10 years, > > So I am not the only one who thinks a "wood coaster" should be made out of > wood and > that if you really mean a "A coaster with a wood track and track steel, no > matter what the > supporting structure is." You should use a few more words then "Wood > Coaster." > > >> and in almost all cases the person has either been new to the hobby > > New to the hobby. Ya, right. > >> and >> confused, > > Confused - Not that either. > >>or someone wanting to impose their own standards on a system > > Standards, generally I am opposed to them. But in this case, well you are > right. I want to > have a standard. A "wood roller coaster" should mean the same thing to a > five to eight > year old, or any person off the street as it does to a coaster fan. Is that > such a really high > standard? Would it be SO terrible if Amusement Today called Voyage "best > wood track > coaster" instead "best wood coaster." I know, it is five letters, that is a > totally unreasonable > standard. > >> to make sense > > If you make sense of it you missed the point. > > >>to them because they don't have understanding of history > > Here is the history: "Wood' coasters used to be "king." Steel coasters now > hold all of the > "records" (See my other post about the Switchback railways). Wood coaster > fans are a > vocal group who will spend money and they are sad about Wood Coasters not > being "king" > anymore. Marketers detect the money and say. "Its alright, we will call > coasters with flat > thin track steel 'wooden coasters' and we will give them their own awards > and own records > so your 'wood coaster fans' will be happy and give us your money." Now the > marketers > had two sets of meaningless "records" to get people to spend there money to > ride a > specific coaster at a specific park where the rides really are nothing > special like: Cedar > Point. > That is pretty much the history right? > > > >> or mechanics. > > I teach Mechanics at a part of my Physics 101 class. > > >> In both cases the people fade out either when they're >> informed > > You are going to try to inform me. Good luck with that. > >> and gain an understanding, > > There is no understanding: sometimes a roller coaster is just a roller > coaster. > > >>or when they refuse to educate themselves > > Refuse to educate, like those people the Chairman Mao had to send to the > "re-education > camps" be cause they "refused to educate" the first time. > >> and fade out after they've made themselves a pariah. > > If pariah is your word for "Great Intellect that causes other to overt there > eyes." I am > working on it. > > >>I'm >> wondering if that is going to play out again... >> > > I am guessing you are wondering something different now. > > >> keep on ridin' >> George >> > > I sent this while riding. > Sent from my iphone. > > > > > > > > > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 15:56:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42941 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 22:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 22:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 22:56:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62074 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2008 22:56:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rqJH3gMVM1mchc31j6so1LolPe3y0n.gC69C8o76x5yNmmlKtfUeheWP1E12WTyWyy7MTX3sMH42YfILrW1Nj50mXGKngH0f1QLMOKLXkzm5n6W1NHoHCQGcUraKevdL5r0- X-Received: from [71.127.6.7] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:56:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1220809128.2262.47173.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <933935.61367.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Sent from my iPhone (was NEWS: World of Fun) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=SXXrQPacwtPahG49Ip5NSu7BHelvhKz0bmHu6xdrpYF0XhyTvl-V X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I sent this while riding. Sent from my iphone. < LOL! My Lord, Jon -- you've actually been typing all of that on your iPhone!? I have one and I like it, but I can't imagine sending anything other than a quick note from it. (That explains why you didn't delete much from the previous posts.) It's hard enough for me to reply with my standard keyboard! Oh, and BTW -- the type of coaster *does* refer to the track composition -- not the rail on top of the track. (On most steel rides, the track and rail are one in the same.) Sure, it could be changed. But that would be like saying, "I really don't like the fact that there's something called a sill on the foundation of my house. I think I'll call it a joist instead." Nomenclature was established to make it easy to converse about the subject. At this point, the only result from changing the nomenclature for coasters would be confusion. Things are pretty well established and haven't changed all that much in decades. But if there are game-changing improvements in coaster design that require a re-thinking of the nomenclature, I'd be one of the first to consider it. FWIW Jay From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 16:21:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44490 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 23:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 23:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n77.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.45) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 23:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n77.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 23:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.107] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 23:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 23:21:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 142699.74344.bm@omp202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 41881 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2008 23:21:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: srSw44gVM1n.FLTzFBDc9pMjQ3sAro7hzSfJSkVMOKgq.1Q8Xvs7lwGuVS_isN8w6bopMYMNpcaxm.vSoUkbAqKVRBPwECwfF2E4lBtAserHo.BRzh4COumaFArGQI6p8ElHuabHFsOw1BZ4_l_BJj5l X-Received: from [70.127.132.205] by web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:21:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.28 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:21:35 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <964820.41206.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: NEWS: Owner: Ride's over at Coney Island amusement park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=1BthGonlYwuIe9S-jjSFJxRQyeEgVdrVtibaGH8H96P0kK8cYc1y X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080907/ap_on_re_us/coney_island Joe Tampa, FL Hometown: NYC (Long Island), NY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 21:28:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62243 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 04:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 04:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 04:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:28:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:28:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:28:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:28:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=UMOtUCeAckXYptLDTBj7eZu7WTO0iOnlD8vNkTm3Qr6nuwSIGA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > In truth I really don't care.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > jjloj > At this point, you strike me as the type of guy who argues a point,=20 just to be contrary.=20 Based on your arguments, there have been hardly any wooden coasters=20 throughout history, just various types of steel tracks. (Flying Turns=20 coasters had all wood troughs.)=20 That's just rediculous. The terminology in place is what it is. It=20 isn't going to change to suit your whim.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 21:38:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86185 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 04:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 04:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 04:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:38:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:38:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Worlds of Fun announces new coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=brgTi18CMJeC9jcJA_qJNuA3fVsRjrg1myVRtmCWWlxxrlIshg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > Voyage is a mostly steel coaster. To call it a "wood" coaster and=20 give it an award as such=20 > would leave an "outsider" lost, and that is why the language needs=20 to change.=20=20 The term I have most heard used to describe coasters that combine=20 construction materials is hybrid.=20 Voyage is a hybrid coaster with a wood track. (Wood track, steel=20 supports.) Cedar Creek Mine Ride is a hybrid coaster with a steel track. (Steel=20 track, wood supports) > Coasters=20 > are about fun, fun should be inclusive not exclusive. Outside=20 coaster nerds I want to talk=20 > like the people I am riding with. In here I will probably do the=20 same because it causes so=20 > much fun. >=20 > As to the apology, his post had almost no coaster content and=20 answering it was only an=20 > exercise in ego. Let idiots be idiots and ignore them. (Cause it=20 is illegal to shoot them.) >=20 > jjloj > All I'm getting from your posts is that you've shown up and started=20 insulting people who have been here a lot longer than you have.=20 Parks, Builders, Designers, Enthusiasts and the GP all understand=20 what a wood coaster is and what a steel coaster is. Why you can't use=20 the terminology already in use is beyond my comprehension.=20 Chris From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 06:39:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23327 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 13:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 13:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 13:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 13:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 13:39:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:39:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: HK Disneyland lures Chinese as it marks 3rd birthday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=lP6JU6lRAeDjKUE85JDSqsoKieC3TIpN-w23jRmm4WHZ2H8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 8 September, 2008 Agence France-Presse Gulf Times http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=3D2&item_no=3D24029= 4&version=3D1&template_id=3D45&parent_id=3D25 LANTAU ISLAND, HONG KONG, CHINA -- Hong Kong Disneyland (HKDL) will celebrate its birthday on Friday after 3 difficult years, as its new managing director juggles a grab for Chinese visitors with a battle over how to fund expansion. HKDL has struggled to attract enough visitors since it opened to great fanfare in 2005, and has faced criticism it failed to understand both the local and mainland China markets. But a shift to more Chinese-friendly marketing earlier this year was reinforced by the appointment of managing director Andrew Kam, whose career has been spent selling another US icon, Coca-Cola, to China. "I have yet to go into the details of the plan we will set for next year, but it will be fairly aggressive in terms of (visitor) growth," Kam told a small group of reporters this week just two days after starting his job. "We are going to invest more resources in developing these markets ... China is the probably the single largest market outside Hong Kong (HK) for us =96 we are looking for expansion there," he added. Kam said HKDL would be employing more staff to market the park on the mainland and build better relationships with travel agents. He is also hoping the Chinese and HK governments will agree a special visa scheme for visitors from the southern Chinese province of Guangdong. But co-operation with the local government, which owns 57% of the park, has been strained. Legislators have criticised the $3bn park for being a bad deal for taxpayers who paid the vast majority of the start-up costs. And they have balked at further investment when more pressing concerns, such as inflation, are vexing residents. "Disney has a huge credibility gap in this ... They got too good an original deal," said John Ap, an expert on tourism at HK's Polytechnic University. "When things go wrong, it has come back to haunt them," he said. Kam insists new attractions are necessary, but there is no sign 18 months of funding negotiations will end soon. "(Both shareholders) have an interest in making this park work and expansion is part of the strategy that will make this park work for HK," he said. But the prospect of any new funding is not helped by a string of controversies over the first three years. A long-running feud with staff unions over working conditions, several food poisoning scares and a mix-up that provoked a near-riot with customers clambering over spiked fences after paying for tickets, forced the park to reshuffle its management team within just a few months of opening. But the biggest question mark remains attendance figures. The management has repeatedly refused to confirm figures despite the huge public investment, but a recent newspaper report said visitor numbers were expected to hit 5.6mn in the 3rd year. This is still well below prior expectations, but would be a jump on the previous year's figure that government documents put at more than 4mn. ---------------- Copyright Agence France-Presse 2008 Copyright Gulf Times Newspaper, 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 06:48:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99711 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Epcot brings hurricane indoors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eAs8urvgZthUdiz_G1dUjH6YGJTmCdUu-Sl3HTid6nYiLYI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept. 7, 2008 United Press International http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2008/09/07/Epcot_center_brings_hurric= ane_indoors/UPI-49361220817243/ ORLANDO, FL -- The Epcot center at Walt Disney World in Orlando, FL, offers visitors a realistic re-enactment of a hurricane in a new exhibit, an expert says. Former National Hurricane Center director Max Mayfield said "StormStruck: A Tale of Two Homes," allows Epcot tourists the chance to witness firsthand the power of a hurricane without placing their lives in danger, The Miami Herald reported Sunday. Mayfield said the exhibit, which opened last month, shows exactly how a hurricane can damage a home. "You see the roof fail. You see the windows and doors give in. You even see water getting in through the soffits," he told the Herald. The hurricane expert helped create the tourist exhibit in order to better educate the public on how best to protest their homes while also offering them entertainment. "If you invited people to come to a seminar on how to mitigate their homes, they wouldn't come," he said. "This is going to help educate people on what they can do." --------------- =A9 2008 United Press International, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 06:55:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4458 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 13:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 13:55:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:55:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Busch Gardens exec to lead Dubai startup team X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DsrvfaZG65cqh24e1OG8FMliHyX8bkAY9ttOr10rwsCVFms X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 09, 2008 The Miami Herald http://www.miamiherald.com/business/story/677765.html ORLANDO, FL -- Donnie Mills, top executive at Busch Gardens Africa, will lead the startup team at Worlds of Discovery Dubai, a multibillion-dollar theme park destined for a new global tourist metropolis. The ruling family of Dubai is paying Busch Entertainment to build and manage 3 parks -- Sea World, Aquatica and Busch Gardens -- on a 300-acre man-made island shaped like Shamu that's being pumped from the bottom of the Persian Gulf. -------------- Copyright 1996-2008 The Miami Herald Media Company From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 06:59:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47599 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 13:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 13:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 13:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 13:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 13:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 13:59:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:59:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NWS: Wild West World's Future Plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zDaVtXeJOk_PdOzjq7_VYvi6LoGsgaSFE7DQyGc2faQI6Tw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 9, 2008 KAKE-TV http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/28037214.html VALLEY CENTER, KS -- The former amusement park known for it's Wild West theme was sold in auction in June. Park City officials were excited and ready to see the ghost town come alive again. But, it's been nearly 3 months since it was auctioned away, and nothings changed. A meeting is scheduled between Park City officials and the new property owners, AHG, for Tuesday. Those in Park City hope their questions about the vacant land will be answered, and movement to re-open will be initiated. "It's very important to us to get this park up and running again," said Jack Whitson, Park City Administrator. "We want to see it open again to benefit the people of Sedgwick County. That's what is most important to us now," he says. We tried to reach representatives from AHG for comment about their plans, but they were not available. ------------ Gray Television, Inc. - Copyright =A9 2002-2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 07:04:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98705 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 14:04:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 14:04:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 14:04:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 14:04:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 14:04:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 14:04:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:04:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=iD4z8xPv8Skq0X6ZoohkaWU34XzprlX12oAHCPXagddcHeM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 8, 2008 The Post and Courier http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/sep/08/hard_rock_park_loses_an_investor= 53342/ MYRTLE BEACH, SC -- A rather costly but disappointing thrill ride at Hard Rock Park is all but over for one of the attraction's financial backers. Africa Israel Investments has decided to write off its entire $10 million investment in the struggling Myrtle Beach destination to zero. In a statement issued last week, the Tel Aviv-based real estate investment firm headed by billionaire diamond magnate Lev Leviev blamed the move on "liquidity difficulties the park is experiencing." "It clearly signals a lack of confidence and a lack of optimism concerning future prospects," Coastal Carolina University finance professor Robert Burney told the Myrtle Beach Sun News. "It's clear that they don't intend to receive any return at all." The $400 million attraction, which opened in April charging $50 per head, was slightly over optimistic when it projected it could accommodate as many as 30,000 roller-coaster-loving guests a day. But coming out of the gate the rock-'n'-roll theme park has struggled mightily on the attendance front, as the U.S. economy has slowed and gas prices have risen. In response, management have scaled back operating hours, trimmed ticket prices and reduced payroll. Park executives and their investors can only hope that attendance figures =97 and the economy =97 will improve next summer. ------------- Copyright 1997 - 2008 the Evening Post Publishing Co. From voicerodeo@gmail.com Tue Sep 09 07:18:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 921 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 14:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 14:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 14:18:31 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m61so565267rnd.15 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:18:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.12.1 with SMTP id p1mr23550145ybi.1.1220969910520; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from LewisMobile ( [207.108.145.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s27sm7862552qbs.12.2008.09.09.07.18.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <995C4C1EC8A14E629AFEE73D66859093@LewisMobile> To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:18:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Busch Gardens exec to lead Dubai startup team X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=UdQnx7uy6_6WBEuNbJn3uOinZfo_hE4V_Et4xixyJoxSVhHJQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmmm... do you think they are going to honor our Sea World passes there? They are good at Busch Gardens here in the states.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:55 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Busch Gardens exec to lead Dubai startup team Sep. 09, 2008 The Miami Herald http://www.miamiherald.com/business/story/677765.html ORLANDO, FL -- Donnie Mills, top executive at Busch Gardens Africa, will lead the startup team at Worlds of Discovery Dubai, a multibillion-dollar theme park destined for a new global tourist metropolis. The ruling family of Dubai is paying Busch Entertainment to build and manage 3 parks -- Sea World, Aquatica and Busch Gardens -- on a 300-acre man-made island shaped like Shamu that's being pumped from the bottom of the Persian Gulf. -------------- Copyright 1996-2008 The Miami Herald Media Company [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 10 10:37:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42567 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 17:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2008 17:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 17:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KdTcm-0002kj-PX for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: <48C805B4.9060405@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:36:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <995C4C1EC8A14E629AFEE73D66859093@LewisMobile> In-Reply-To: <995C4C1EC8A14E629AFEE73D66859093@LewisMobile> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb7442250645adfd1af970231bf4f1df9a90231413350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Busch Gardens exec to lead Dubai startup team X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=k1QM1hwLHQmIHghzuYwxoctld4VzBz4G0PE9PPMO925eZ_k X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash VoiceRodeo Gmail wrote: > > > hmmm... do you think they are going to honor our Sea World passes there? > They are good at Busch Gardens here in the states.... > Nope, for the same reason that they won't honor my Platinum pass at the newly opened Aquatica. Because you already had your pass before the new parks were announced and tickets were being sold for them, your passes won't be good there unless you upgrade (read "pay more") for them. So I've got platinum passes that get me into every Busch park- but Aquatica. And I'm not paying the extra $20/ month they would charge me to add one park onto my passes. keep on ridin' George From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Sep 10 19:41:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48341 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 02:41:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2008 02:41:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-195.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.55) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 02:41:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15017 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 01:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 01:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kdc75-0007T8-U7 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:40:56 -0600 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:41:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: News: Sort of? Coaster iPhone App X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=gIS8sa76rld0SeGZutHoevHdERBbWgOlZ97bkCwgHxKYLTBXt0Yu X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman I think some people here have iPhones, or iPod Touches, and thought you might be interested in something that caught my eye while browsing the app store today: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=290371763&mt=8 For those of you who don't use iTunes, this is the developer's site: http://sites.google.com/site/silvermanasoftware/roller-coaster-physics Looks like a pretty cool concept... and best of all, its free! Mike From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Sep 10 19:50:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97451 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 02:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2008 02:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-195.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.55) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 02:50:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25669 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2008 01:49:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 01:49:25 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KdcG7-0000NU-CV for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:50:15 -0600 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:50:11 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Sort of? Coaster iPhone App X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=FsYamhI-JgHF6lRQHgioMPChmigZcz5SdKATq03lzNuNRUORjePl X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Er, as it turns out, the link to the app store page doesn't seem to work yet... looks like the app was just released today, so all the links apparently haven't been updated yet. Anyways, if you go into the app store, and click on the "Utilities" category, it's on the first page. Just look for "Roller Coaster Physics". The developer's site works though. Mike On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Mike Filippone wrote: > I think some people here have iPhones, or iPod Touches, and thought > you might be interested in something that caught my eye while browsing > the app store today: > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=290371763&mt=8 > > For those of you who don't use iTunes, this is the developer's site: > http://sites.google.com/site/silvermanasoftware/roller-coaster-physics > > Looks like a pretty cool concept... and best of all, its free! > > Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 10 22:53:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66246 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 05:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2008 05:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 05:53:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27078 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 03:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 11 Sep 2008 03:10:22 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8EA05684-06BB-43C0-B252-0D4CAE400B13@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:10:16 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: Sort of? Coaster iPhone App X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=s5TtVI1D3mjjrVHPUJcoAl5QwDLSyBe96b_V1tM4uzSnFfkr X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Yup .. I was so going to write this app, but didn't have time because of my real job! Of course, my app would use GPS to map the ride too, and then spit out No Limits tracks .. Cameron. On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:50 PM, Mike Filippone wrote: > Er, as it turns out, the link to the app store page doesn't seem to > work yet... looks like the app was just released today, so all the > links apparently haven't been updated yet. Anyways, if you go into > the app store, and click on the "Utilities" category, it's on the > first page. Just look for "Roller Coaster Physics". > > The developer's site works though. > > Mike > > On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Mike Filippone wrote: > >> I think some people here have iPhones, or iPod Touches, and thought >> you might be interested in something that caught my eye while >> browsing >> the app store today: >> >> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware? >> id=290371763&mt=8 >> >> For those of you who don't use iTunes, this is the developer's site: >> http://sites.google.com/site/silvermanasoftware/roller-coaster- >> physics >> >> Looks like a pretty cool concept... and best of all, its free! >> >> Mike > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Ticket Tac Toe * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Get three in a row! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 01:21:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24994 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 08:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2008 08:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 08:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 08:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 08:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 08:21:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:21:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48C805B4.9060405@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens exec to lead Dubai startup team X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=H3nko-tYT9eetH_FBVjXmEzhE3vXa3MhAUwE_c1nHeB7MqgrmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Hmmm... SFI has already stated that regular SF Season Passes will be valid at=20 the Dubai park.=20 It's not like thousands are going to make that particular trip every=20 year. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > VoiceRodeo Gmail wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > hmmm... do you think they are going to honor our Sea World passes=20 there?=20 > > They are good at Busch Gardens here in the states.... > >=20 >=20 > Nope, for the same reason that they won't honor my Platinum pass at=20 the=20 > newly opened Aquatica. Because you already had your pass before=20 the new=20 > parks were announced and tickets were being sold for them, your=20 passes=20 > won't be good there unless you upgrade (read "pay more") for them. >=20 > So I've got platinum passes that get me into every Busch park- but=20 > Aquatica. And I'm not paying the extra $20/ month they would=20 charge me=20 > to add one park onto my passes. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Sep 11 06:32:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82089 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 13:32:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2008 13:32:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 13:32:17 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KdmHR-0001cs-2t for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:32:17 -0400 Message-ID: <48C91DD3.5020505@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:32:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb7442250641205bc0a92a1779adc253301d452ec1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens exec to lead Dubai startup team X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=M1qwz3EvcnT7QO--w-7DEPYn-hHbgAYA1Bt7Gp58Hf2olJM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > > Hmmm... > > SFI has already stated that regular SF Season Passes will be valid at > the Dubai park. > > It's not like thousands are going to make that particular trip every > year. > Don't get me wrong. I'm sure that after they have the ground work done and start selling advance passes and tickets to the Dubai parks that, at that point, anyone who gets a Platinum Pass (which is Busch's version of an all parks pass) would probably get their passes to work at those parks. At least I'm guessing, and that's assuming that those Busch parks remain part of the same company depending on what happens with the sales of the parks. But for those that already have a Platinum pass that are on monthly plans or annual renewals their price rates are locked in at what they were when they bought the pass. And thus so are the parks. It's not like Six Flags where you get a brand new pass every year at whatever price they are going for that year. Essentially I'm using the same pass at the same price that I got when I first bought one back in 2004. So anything new that comes along isn't included since they didn't exist back in 2004. Hence why I'd have to "upgrade" to a new pass to include what's new. But with the price increases, the current platinums for a family of 4 would cost us an extra $20/ month. (I think it's actually more than that, since my kids are actually locked in at the kids rates from 2004, even though they are no longer kids) That's $250 or more a year I can use for other things- including, if we wanted, season passes to Wet and Wild or Cypress Gardens instead. :) keep on ridin' George From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Sep 11 22:50:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82353 invoked by uid 7800); 12 Sep 2008 05:50:35 -0000 Date: 12 Sep 2008 05:50:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1221198635.19.82345.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=myp4lzp7xnL9HFMx34Bi12McCZU1221198628-1" --YCalReminder=myp4lzp7xnL9HFMx34Bi12McCZU1221198628-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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Transportation will be provided. ---------------------------------------------------- For more information, see the link above ---------------------------------------------------- =A9 2008 International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 07:40:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5463 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2008 14:40:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:40:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: The 2009 AIMS Safety Seminar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=F8SNzpu6gGSOLCj9FrLlOcSldExHYgnDGlic3JniDInJ_xk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept. 13, 2008 AIMS International http://www.aimsintl.org/seminars.php BRANSON, MO -- The 2009 AIMS Safety Seminar will be held January 11-16, 2009 in Branson, Missouri. 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From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 08:02:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93379 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2008 15:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2008 15:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 15:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2008 15:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2008 15:02:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:02:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: IAFE Convention & Trade Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JZmXK5tUdSntGMRWwiIiiaSioUOOSWebCcW3EL6ybv9n5Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept. 13, 2008 International Association of Fairs and Expositions http://www.fairsandexpos.com/ LAS VEGAS, NV -- 118th International Association of Fairs and Expositions Annual Convention is to be held at the The Paris Hotel, in Las Vegas, from December 15-18, 2008. For more information: http://www.fairsandexpos.com/events/convention/2008PrelimProgram.pdf ----------------- =A9 2005 International Association of Fairs and Expositions From zaldarff@yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 13:51:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25842 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2008 20:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2008 20:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53510.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 20:51:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58645 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2008 20:51:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7fPFlvkVM1nbdHTTGAU7n6mNCew75CqvIMrqkOvMfhKt5XPB2rjj7IDgRDc9vd77qXGDhEyS95rC4lpb3jPVm..c26cXUZO.K0uKjI75pw-- X-Received: from [69.229.99.117] by web53510.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:51:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <460350.58350.qm@web53510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Santley Reply-To: zaldarff@yahoo.com Subject: Re:NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=dZw4eQs20luMZJeDiqlXFeRq-ibYh6u3zfEoQL4hL-lt1ME X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All I can say is get that park out of where it is and move it to somewhere = more accessible if possible. It's probibly not a good idea to be doing busi= ness with the south anyway unless your apealing to a certan market(you know= who you are), Anyway it's too close to the costline as it is=A0 and being = on the east cost this could prove dangerous with all the bad weather that o= ccurs regularly. =A0 As far as atendance goes, Unless people know how to get there you might as = well give it up. I love the idea of a rock theampark but it needs to be acc= essible. Relying on the local economy isn't going to work for that kind of = park. You know the old saying LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 13:37:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18477 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2008 20:37:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2008 20:37:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 20:37:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63088 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2008 20:37:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2K2nH8QVM1lyIEnzyqr6gxL.sL1SeCz_FFye_ETMDcrgdat8kLq9MdeuGZCNA5d0IjaoAQSiKuNRaIgzV68UvMdGHeYVDdTAxpwMFSc3Pw-- X-Received: from [71.127.2.64] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:37:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:37:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221019312.3451.27103.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <990694.62749.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=_oXi32TdCrWa-bY_C4YF8nAtYutE23rjwlO5UOETWr78vwQgKnTB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Park executives and their investors can only hope that attendance figures= =E2=80=94 and the economy =E2=80=94 will improve next summer. < Here's yet another example of businessmen who shouldn't be running a park. = They sunk nearly 1/2 billion dollars into the place, charge a huge entry f= ee and then expect to pack in guests in their first year? Parks are long-t= erm investments. A park needs time to gradually establish itself and attra= ct an audience. U.S. corporations are always in such a hurry to make money= . If you simply deliver a great guest experience at a reasonable price, pe= ople will come. If, as a brand-new untested park, you charge $50 to start,= there's nowhere to go but down. Then the park looks bad, as if management= has to bribe people to go there. Where's the old rule of supply and deman= d? Charge less to start; if the park gets really popular then raise the pr= ice. And to think that a small traditional park was leveled for *this*.... Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 13:52:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92840 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2008 20:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2008 20:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 20:52:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96615 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2008 20:52:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: joE3ESgVM1kNbLJsERPtJaYiiL6WsiJkLgmZ.1CgnfqHjrmkXH_719Nho2qDFXT._dqz.T0j4KHVKKzYksqaHqt1zevN8tbZhGGDUA6HfQ-- X-Received: from [71.127.2.64] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:52:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:52:51 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221160135.3465.10152.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <663953.96273.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: News: Sort of? Coaster iPhone App X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=glGHCoELBTipq9k33bnoEy_9ma2c6Z3BqRXHVF_2LHRUFkTyY8rA X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Yup .. I was so going to write this app [snip] my app would use GPS to map the ride too, and then spit out No Limits tracks < Do it, Cameron! Charge $.99 and you'll have lots of buyers. That would be so cool. The app as it stands is okay, but it really doesn't do much. If there were a way to save the stats and compare them, if it could draw the coaster's profile, if it gave you more accurate readings of the peaks and valleys ... then I'd pay money for it. Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Sep 15 07:12:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74992 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2008 14:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2008 14:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.233) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 14:12:12 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so2116045rvb.59 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.188.10 with SMTP id l10mr4825922rvf.6.1221487932296; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:12:12 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <990694.62749.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1221019312.3451.27103.m45@yahoogroups.com> <990694.62749.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=8uUiqR-ilNaHDeIt-xDuLr2Gj7gL6U9EUYclR1PiQE5r97H2_zCSU0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > All I can say is get that park out of where it is and move it to somewher= e > more accessible if possible. It's probibly not a good idea to be doing > business with the south anyway unless your apealing to a certan market(yo= u > know who you are) I have no idea what this means. Weather is certainly not the reason Hard Rock Park is hurting for visitors. Myrtle Beach draws more than ten million tourists each summer. Location is *not* the problem. > If, as a brand-new untested park, you charge $50 to start, there's nowher= e to go > but down. I think $50 is a little steep, but only by a bit. That's pretty in line with what similar-sized parks are charging all across the country. I've never been to the area so I can't say with any certainty why the park is struggling, but I've heard they've done a poor job with advertising & getting the word out to all of those tourists who visit each summer. > And to think that a small traditional park was leveled for *this*.... To be fair the closing of the Pavilion really had nothing to do with Hard Rock Park. -Nate On 9/14/08, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> Park executives and their investors can only hope that attendance figure= s >> =97 and the economy =97 will improve next summer. < > > Here's yet another example of businessmen who shouldn't be running a park= . > They sunk nearly 1/2 billion dollars into the place, charge a huge entry = fee > and then expect to pack in guests in their first year? Parks are long-te= rm > investments. A park needs time to gradually establish itself and attract= an > audience. U.S. corporations are always in such a hurry to make money. I= f > you simply deliver a great guest experience at a reasonable price, people > will come. If, as a brand-new untested park, you charge $50 to start, > there's nowhere to go but down. Then the park looks bad, as if managemen= t > has to bribe people to go there. Where's the old rule of supply and dema= nd? > Charge less to start; if the park gets really popular then raise the pri= ce. > > And to think that a small traditional park was leveled for *this*.... > > Jay > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 16:52:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1154 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2008 23:52:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2008 23:52:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2008 23:52:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80049 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2008 23:52:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HfI8fGcVM1mWaaA2raQs24pysY370SSr2TnJzahvg39N4iIMaRk1E4lMUvm_qIFQjHmXgKL29dpo7CE14R3ECTaH_D2TtiXXlY_QXodLAA-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221518367.3888.21957.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <27505.79724.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=8s2Mg9-y7LOQJ0ckhXafXK5dA16F35_6Cwb-yjihkvNh2nYOYPIF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > To be fair the closing of the Pavilion really had nothing to do with Hard Rock Park. < True, Hard Rock Park didn't *cause* the closing of Pavilion. But I would have rather seen Pavilion stay alive than have another mega-themer be built. That's just me. :-) Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Sep 15 18:31:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71453 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 01:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 01:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.242) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 01:31:14 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so3604264rvf.16 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.132.8 with SMTP id f8mr5267516rvd.122.1221528673989; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:31:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <27505.79724.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1221518367.3888.21957.m45@yahoogroups.com> <27505.79724.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=tOZ9BMk3Yqb73ecnRNrK_r7BCys1yCpukEKA_PZqPzDsuzuMvRpGSU0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> To be fair the closing of the Pavilion really had nothing to do with Hard >> Rock Park. < > > True, Hard Rock Park didn't *cause* the closing of Pavilion. But I would > have rather seen Pavilion stay alive than have another mega-themer be built. > That's just me. :-) Well, given the fact that the Pavilion was closing regardless, I'd rather see a mega-themer be built than nothing at all. -Nate From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Sep 15 19:03:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72470 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 02:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 02:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 02:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 02:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 02:03:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:03:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <663953.96273.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.21.93.156 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: News: Sort of? Coaster iPhone App X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=wn7LLt09lvnwGMIJkeOMVjuguSQrVvPfOU-5t1U2An8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj You really should give it a try. I have been playing with=20 toys. I have found it frustrating. I have been looking at using the accelerometer on the coasters.=20=20 Does anyone know if the iPhone accelerometer can be switched from the=20 2g setting to the 8g setting in software? If you are going to ride=20 anything "serious" you are going to need more then 2g's. I don't=20 know what the sampling rate is but needs to be better then my GPS=20 unit. I am betting to do this "right" you will want a 100 Hz sample=20 rate. Even that may be a little course. As to the iPhone GPS, last time I looked at the specs it only=20 would sample like once every 5 seconds. On top of that a "good"=20 consumer Garmin unit claims a 17ft accuracy (uncorrected corrected=20 they might get to within 10ft). I doubt the iPhone is going to be=20 better.=20=20 I have been carrying a Garmin on coasters for a year now and it=20 doesn't sample fast enough and isn't accurate enough to really do the=20 job. When you overlay your data with Google Earth you find that you=20 are nowhere near the coaster, if it is going at any kind of speed.=20=20 It does okay on the out and back coasters but, anything with turns=20 and you are likely to be disappointed. On top of that 1 meter per=20 second is a little more then two miles an hour. If you use a "car=20 length" as one meter (gross approximation) if you are moving at 60=20 mph you are covering about two train lengths every second. That=20 means if you want to sample once a car length you will need to be=20 around 30 Hz. Just doing a back of the napkin calculation. The one I want to use is good to 2cm and samples at 100Hz, but it is=20 $17,000 and I haven't wanted to sell my car to get one. If you can=20 get better results then this let me know I would be interested in the=20 software. =20=20=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > Yup .. I was so going to write this app [snip] my app would use=20 GPS to map the ride too, and then spit out No Limits tracks < >=20 > Do it, Cameron! Charge $.99 and you'll have lots of buyers. That=20 would be so cool. >=20 > The app as it stands is okay, but it really doesn't do much. If=20 there were a way to save the stats and compare them, if it could draw=20 the coaster's profile, if it gave you more accurate readings of the=20 peaks and valleys ... then I'd pay money for it. >=20 > Jay > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Sep 16 05:56:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6880 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 12:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 12:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 12:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 12:56:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 12:56:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:56:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: QUES: Carolina Cobra X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=s4rxDfrJQIk7auj5Q3qKfhgut_AQCcb6BAnoyRIVlIPLuDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The press release I saw for the oh-so-exciting boomerang at Carowinds said they had new trains, pictured at: http://amusementtoday.com/image/CarolinaCobra03.jpg . Allegedly these have never been used in the US. Anyone know who they are from, new ones from Vekoma, or (god forbid) Kumbak? Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 06:00:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68117 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 13:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 13:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 13:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 13:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 13:00:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:00:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=KUTQqDeHydKgbPMFaNJOwA54qqi7b3JlUtFhjdbRK_20j9esJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > >> To be fair the closing of the Pavilion really had nothing to do=20 with Hard > >> Rock Park. < > > > > True, Hard Rock Park didn't *cause* the closing of Pavilion. But=20 I would > > have rather seen Pavilion stay alive than have another mega- themer be built. > > That's just me. :-) >=20 > Well, given the fact that the Pavilion was closing regardless, I'd > rather see a mega-themer be built than nothing at all. >=20 > -Nate > I thought the Pavillion closed due to the incoming HRP. They didn't=20 want to die a slow death by losing the customer base to a newer=20 park... Chris From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Sep 16 06:07:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2380 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 13:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 13:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f21.google.com) (209.85.217.21) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 13:07:10 -0000 X-Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so25133601gxk.20 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.144.15 with SMTP id w15mr1483453ybn.115.1221570429745; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0809160607o1de5b223m1b547fa7ef2a3960@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:07:09 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=DWgLHM9PpO3FByoRtt-rd53HgP2-ZtnorM_N93z9XAapyxI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think they closed the property because they thought it was worth more as real estate/condos and because Burroughs & Chapin wanted to divest their amusement properties (I think they also sold NASCAR Speed Park and their other holdings). Of course, the real estate market died (or is still dying) and from what I have heard they have not contracted or built anything on the Pavilion site. So, instead of earning revenue they are just paying property taxes and possibly still paying for demolition costs. If Family Kingdom can still be making money I do not think the Pavilion, which I thought was a much better park (if Swamp Fox would have been at Pavilion it would have been one of my favorite seaside parks), would have done fine. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Tue Sep 16 06:39:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37276 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 13:39:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 13:39:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0106.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 13:39:04 -0000 X-Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0106.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0B6889C3A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 X-Received: by dm24.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm24.48b3050f.35c8d1 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:39:01 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlIz7b1/1VWhgIAAAAB,3ee5319fdd03cd680d0898a70367ef06 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:39:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Carolina Cobra X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=_jI-08lCmttv18Q244FLfpbLYsl742GgTXiSInLie8wfyPsNAG3m93ezMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance These are new trains from Vekoma... confirmed by Carowinds when I asked about them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Carolina Cobra The press release I saw for the oh-so-exciting boomerang at Carowinds said they had new trains, pictured at: http://amusementtoday.com/image/CarolinaCobra03.jpg . Allegedly these have never been used in the US. Anyone know who they are from, new ones from Vekoma, or (god forbid) Kumbak? Adam From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Sep 16 06:43:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6866 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 13:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 13:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.248) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 13:43:27 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2672394rvf.36 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.188.19 with SMTP id l19mr5648215rvf.79.1221572607743; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:43:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0809160607o1de5b223m1b547fa7ef2a3960@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <165816ef0809160607o1de5b223m1b547fa7ef2a3960@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park loses an investor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=-eye2K_ay1Ko2-dbXLMcS9HZPUCA5lh6hv9-meo8MDDzDsNYxBydZLI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > If Family > Kingdom can still be making money I do not think the Pavilion, which I > thought was a much better park (if Swamp Fox would have been at Pavilion it > would have been one of my favorite seaside parks), would have done fine. Agreed. I don't think many amusement parks (or businesses in general, for that matter) close because they *might* have a problem with competition from the new guy in town. If the owners are satisfied with the revenue a property is generating, I don't see any reason to dismantle a business because a new park is being constructed. The logical thing (to me anyway) would be to wait it out and see what happens. Something tells me that the Pavilion would have done just fine alongside HRP. -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Sep 16 07:21:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54718 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 14:21:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 14:21:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 14:21:13 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so1495025rne.12 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.190.15 with SMTP id n15mr1654529anf.15.1221574871489; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0809160721w3d97f74csc471b52cfdd6753a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:21:11 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Carolina Cobra X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=X6ehNhUIIqSzKt1tx9DryJLrd7cxoPigd87QtXgPzFD6u9g X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska ive always thought to myself while riding "this vekoma coaster could use some thick mettal bars at around neck or ear level". glad to see they thought the same thing. On 9/16/08, Lance wrote: > These are new trains from Vekoma... confirmed by Carowinds when I asked > about them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Sandy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:56 AM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Carolina Cobra > > > The press release I saw for the oh-so-exciting boomerang at Carowinds > said they had new trains, pictured at: > http://amusementtoday.com/image/CarolinaCobra03.jpg . Allegedly these > have never been used in the US. Anyone know who they are from, new > ones from Vekoma, or (god forbid) Kumbak? > > Adam > > > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 08:14:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34612 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 15:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 15:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 15:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 15:14:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:14:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Sylvan Beach Amusement Park had 'fine' year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dsZ60AXH8kK7_WxRYOJVqVb-p0_A9gcZc88dLzzbkv6fIFc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 09/15/2008 Oneida Dispatch http://www.oneidadispatch.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3D20121587&BRD=3D1709&PA= G=3D461&dept_id=3D68844&rfi=3D6 By Lynn Collier SYLVAN BEACH, NY -- After a slow start caused by incessant rain, Sylvan Beach (SB) Amusement Park ended up having a stellar season, partially because of high gas prices. While some vacation spots didn't benefit from rising costs, Darlene Kelly, coordinator of the Goode Companies in SB, said that the amusement park had a fine year. When the park opened in late May, Kelly said that soaking conditions didn't exactly make for a ceremonious opening month. But as the weather improved throughout the season, other events, like Canal Fest and Tuesday Bike Nights, brought local people out and business picked up. "Even with the gas prices, people still seemed to come out," Kelly said. "Or people stayed close to home. Either way, they came to SB and we appreciate that." Kelly said that prices were raised to some degree because of rising costs in general. Still, she said that the company was working to make some improvements to the park, specifically making sure that everything looked nice. This year, 3 buildings at the park received a fresh coat of paint. "There was lots of focus this year on making what's here look better," Kelly said. Because owners Pat Goodenow & Doug Waterbury, who also owns the Renaissance Festival in Sterling and Santa's North Pole in Wilmington, are big on the nostalgic elements of SB, they're trying to bring more historic flavor to the park. To do this, Kelly said, they've hired a designer familiar with the styles and colors of the 1940s-a grand time for SB as a resort town. When it comes to the buildings that have already been painted, one can see polka dots and stripes, which were not uncommon patterns of this earlier time. Visitors to SB Amusement Park probably also noticed-and maybe were wild enough to ride-the new Rotor that the owners acquired from The Great Escape in Lake George for this season. "The people who were actually brave enough to go on the Rotor thought that it was great," Kelly said. The owners hope to add another ride for next season, Kelly said, and though they have some rides in mind, nothing is definite at this point. No one will have to worry about the owners removing any of the rides from the park, though; Kelly said that there are no plans for those kinds of alterations. If anything, there will be additions. One non-ride addition that was new last year was the old-fashioned miniature golf course. Kelly said that since more people had learned about the course this year, business was better. Yesterday's Royal, the restaurant next to the amusement park that is also run by Goode Companies, also has had a fine year. The season there wraps up on Oct. 5. Until then, patrons can enjoy regular meals and a couple of special events, including a final Mystery Dinner Theatre on Wednesday, Sept.17 titled "Montana Smith and the Curse of the Golden Crocodile." The season at SB Amusement Park is almost over as well. This past weekend was the park's annual "Thank You" weekend where visitors could ride each ride for a dollar and enjoy other discounts on food, drink and other attractions. Beyond the "Thank You" weekend, only Kiddie Land, Playland and miniature golf will be open weekends until the end of the first weekend in October. For more information on the amusement park, call 762-5212. -------------- =A9The Oneida Daily Dispatch 2008 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 08:19:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93444 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 15:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 15:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 15:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 15:19:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:19:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Kentucky Kingdom sues ride maker over accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bxvU28kHkFjUkdwvFHwL4ARigeTfPvePMlC6delGiWBQ1F0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 16, 2008 The Associated Press Lexington Herald-Leader http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/525475.html LOUISVILLE, KY -- The owner of a Louisville amusement park where a ride malfunction severed a teenage girl's feet has filed suit against the manufacturer of the thrill ride. The Courier-Journal reported Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) claims the manufacturer should be held responsible for Kaitlin Lassiter's injuries. On June 21, 2007, the Louisville teen was among those riding the Superman Tower of Power when a cable snapped. The resulting accident severed both of the teen's feet. Doctors were able to reattach Kaitlin's right foot, but not her left one. The girl's family has sued the park, claiming owners failed to maintain the ride and equipment and ensure riders' safety. SFKK has denied liability. In the lawsuit the park filed against 3 companies, SFKK claims the ride maker and those responsible for sending cable that was not correct are liable for "all or part of the injuries." The newspaper reported spokesmen for defendants could not be reached Monday. ------------------ Copyright 2008 The Associated Press Copyright 2008 heraldleader.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 08:24:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86213 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 15:24:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 15:24:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:24:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 15:24:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2008 15:24:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:24:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Great America's Proposed Ride Draws Complaints X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JCJuRGwzBqZ7P9Rx9KdalvkmN3rVahhgfgSQGCmX7hN3oKA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 15, 2008 The Associated Press KCRA-3 http://www.kcra.com/news/17477878/detail.html?rss=3Dsac&psp=3Dnews SANTA CLARA, CA -- A new wooden roller coaster proposed at the Great America (GA) amusement park is expected to be a screamer -- and that's got nearby residents and businesses concerned. Santa Clara's city council is set to vote Tuesday night on whether to approve the park's plans for the 111'-tall ride amid the noise complaints. The proposed coaster is set to be built about 150' from the property line between GA and a Prudential Real Estate office complex. Prudential's lawyers argue that the park already is too loud, even without the new ride. But GA officials argue that their noise report revealed no problems for nearby office workers. The City Council's staff has recommended that it approve GA's zoning request for the coaster. ---------------- Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press =A9 2008, Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Sep 16 18:59:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83482 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 01:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 01:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 01:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 01:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 01:59:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:58:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.212.240.22 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=Z_jT1dZsusnYATUk5BZM-WPx3f3KNDM1VffKLn1_xvA X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Okay folks, Who thinks what about Diamondback? It is a new metal out and back=20 coaster going in at Kings Island.=20=20 If I had been running the park I would have thought it needed a=20 good closed circuit inverted coaster. I think that is what the park=20 is really missing. I also think a new "medium weight" "woodie" (i.e.=20 Legend or Renegade) would be a good addition as well. After the=20 reputation Son of Beast has gained I don't think they would have the=20 stomach for a new "mega woodie."=20 I guess the Racer is the only "out and back" coaster in the park=20 so one can see the logic of having another, and you wouldn't want to=20 duplicate the Racer so you would probably make it a "steel tube"=20 track. I don't know it just doesn't seem to "fit in" the "feel" of=20 the park.=20=20 How do others feel? From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Sep 16 20:17:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21306 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 03:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 03:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f15.google.com) (209.85.217.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 03:16:59 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so26851333gxk.14 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.33.9 with SMTP id g9mr2689481ang.5.1221621419029; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0809162016s389e600fi19104e9af200dbd5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:16:59 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=NaTOchEAnndBJBUmWeWL06ZjxqSIzajy-yMTCkXUk53BKQk X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > Okay folks, > Who thinks what about Diamondback? It is a new metal out and back > coaster going in at Kings Island. I think you mean hollow round tracked coaster with polyurethane wheels sorry -Mike! (I typically am dissapointed by B&M Hypercoasters) From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Sep 16 20:28:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46501 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 03:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 03:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 03:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c5e.3e9034c6 (14502) for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:27:41 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=D8_kA_gQ4-bv2HGL1zDudzYEyVq4y18WWAzZQnshuAc7G3j0ow X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/2008 10:00:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jjloj@netzero.net writes: I don't know it just doesn't seem to "fit in" the "feel" of the park. How do others feel? I was at the Media announcement for Diamondback, and from they said, they are taking the park in a whole new direction. I think in the next 10 years, it WILL fit perfectly with what they have planned. I think you will see some rides come out that dont fit, i.e. Invertigo, Backlot Stunt Track, and stuff like that. They will be replaced by more coasters like Diamondback, or a Raptor or some coaster like that. Brian **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. 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According to Kim Tucci, CEO of One Dream, One Team, the Coyote Canion theme park will be designed as a "go-green, environmentally friendly, educational entertainment experience for the family". The Arizona-based company has appointed Apogee Attractions Theme Park Design to create a masterplan for the family-oriented theme park, which will include a Universal Studios-like City Walk and a five star resort on 1,200 acres of land in Florence, AZ. The project is scheduled to break ground in the last quarter of 2008. ---------------- =A9 Cybertrek Ltd From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 07:29:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24097 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 14:29:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 14:29:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 14:29:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 14:29:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 14:29:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:29:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: RUMOR: Coyote Canion theme park planned for Arizona X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=0YCtpTaQJDVhXXUykO9Um70M6ZbEeNr4vboc6RK5MN_SU6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 You'll notice that I've labeled this as a "Rumor". Mostly because I have serious doubts about people who can't even spell Canyon (canion?) correctly. ttfn...Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > 16 Sep 2008 > World Leisure News & Jobs > http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail1.cfm?codeID=3D84113&CFID=3D38460= 842&CFTOKEN=3D71932739 >=20 >=20 > FLORANCE, AZ -- One Dream, One Team, the group behind proposals to > build a theme park in Pinal County, Arizona, US has revealed more > details about its plans. >=20 > According to Kim Tucci, CEO of One Dream, One Team, the Coyote Canion > theme park will be designed as a "go-green, environmentally friendly, > educational entertainment experience for the family". >=20 > The Arizona-based company has appointed Apogee Attractions Theme Park > Design to create a masterplan for the family-oriented theme park, > which will include a Universal Studios-like City Walk and a five star > resort on 1,200 acres of land in Florence, AZ. >=20 > The project is scheduled to break ground in the last quarter of 2008. > ---------------- > =A9 Cybertrek Ltd > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 07:34:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38249 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 14:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 14:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.164) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 14:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 14:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 14:33:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:33:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.164 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: UPDATE: Bible park site selection expected 'very soon' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cbswcPeaP41Cn4lYqFSjO-BtekQKBwvEVujPrPvJYqe3nQo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 17, 2008 The Tennessean http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20080917/NEWS01/8091= 70412 By Clay Carey NASHVILLE, TN -- Developers are "very, very close" to picking a new site for a Bible-based theme park that could land in Middle Tennessee, an executive with the new company hired to direct the controversial project said this week. Rob Wyatt, a senior executive and founding partner with the California-based Entertainment Development Group, would not discuss the specifics of the site search Tuesday. But he said the company will announce its selection "very soon." The naming of Wyatt's company as the new developer and eventual operator of Bible Park USA represents the first public movement in weeks on the project, which has caused a stir in the Nashville area for more than a year. Before announcing EDG as the new developer and eventual park operator last week, New York-based investment firm SafeHarbor Holding had planned to build and run the theme park itself. The company had originally settled on property in Rutherford County, but political problems there prompted it to reopen a property search that now includes Wilson County and other communities in Tennessee and Kentucky. Wyatt said he is scheduled to fly into Tennessee today "to take a look at a couple of things and meet with some people" about the park, though he would not say which communities those meetings would involve. Long track record EDG bills itself as a "destination development group." Its principals have been involved in several developments, including theme parks in Malaysia and China and the Animal Kingdom theme park at Disney World. "We tend to work on projects that have an entertainment component to them," Wyatt said. SafeHarbor's role in the $175 million project is now to raise money needed to move it forward, company spokeswoman Terri Sterling said. She said bringing EDG on board to develop the Bible park would allow SafeHarbor more time to focus on other projects the company has in the works. Few changes expected Wyatt, now the lead manager on the Bible park project, said he didn't expect the management shift to result in "significant changes" to the project. Before helping found EDG, he worked as a lead consultant at BRC Imagination Arts, the company that developed the core concept of the park. The park was originally planned to include exhibits based on biblical history and archeology, recording studios, theaters and rides on about 275 acres in Rutherford County's Blackman community. Armon Bar-Tur, co-founder of SafeHarbor Holding, promised the park would not take an ideological stance on the Bible. The county's business community favored the park for its potential economic impact. But Bar-Tur's plan had many critics, including a number of Blackman residents, concerned about traffic, noise and losing their community's rural feel. County officials in May voted down a rezoning developers had sought. The project has faced few public critics in Wilson County. The potential park sites that have been publicly discussed have been in largely commercial areas, farther from established neighborhoods. Lisa Brooks, a Lebanon resident for 40 years, said she'd have no problem living near the park. Brooks' home is on Ligon Drive, not far from a piece of land the city has promoted as the best home for the attraction. "I've been raised up in church," Brooks said. "I think (the Bible park) would keep kids on track." For her part, she said, concerns about traffic could easily be canceled out by the potential for revenue from the park. "If it means not having to raise property taxes," she said, "I'm all for it." ---------------- Copyright =A9 2008 The Tennessean From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Sep 17 11:47:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20649 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 18:47:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 18:47:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 18:47:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 18:47:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 18:47:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:47:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0809162016s389e600fi19104e9af200dbd5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=FPZm1Ihnv_XfPlNfXQX5e1V3rrXFMPpzZgRIZ1NBoII X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" w= rote: > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > > Okay folks, > > Who thinks what about Diamondback? It is a new metal out and back > > coaster going in at Kings Island. >=20 > I think you mean hollow round tracked coaster with polyurethane wheels so= rry >=20 > -Mike! > (I typically am dissapointed by B&M Hypercoasters) > Lowering myself to the marketing term... Is there a "hypercoaster" that isn't disappointing?=20=20 What would make one kind less boring then another? Does B&M do somethi= ng wrong=20 that someone else does right? Out and back coasters exist because of limitations of early cars to mak= e corners. While I=20 feel the love for a John Allen design, to apply the most modern technology = to a coaster=20 designed to be within the limited technology of an earlier time seems dumb. To my coaster taste "hypercoaster" is code for cheap, simple ride, or = "I would be a=20 better ride if I had wooden flat track." Still is there a "good hypercoaster" and if so which one is it? The have a= ll seemed the=20 same to me.=20 From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Sep 17 12:02:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93054 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 19:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 19:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 19:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 19:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 19:02:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:02:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=JiiZOHlJeDOjILKXG1LK0fGHhexb0SyFgtRzlUQdHbw X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > >=20=20 > In a message dated 9/16/2008 10:00:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > jjloj@... writes: >=20 > I don't know it just doesn't seem to "fit in" the "feel" of=20 > the park.=20=20 > How do others feel? >=20 >=20 >=20 > I was at the Media announcement for Diamondback, and from they said, they= =20=20 > are taking the park in a whole new direction. I think in the next 10 year= s, it=20=20 > WILL fit perfectly with what they have planned. I think you will see some= =20 > rides come out that dont fit, i.e. Invertigo, Backlot Stunt Track, and s= tuff like=20 > that. They will be replaced by more coasters like Diamondback, or a Rapt= or=20 > or some coaster like that. >=20=20 > Brian The first part of your statement (it WILL fit) seems bad. Perhaps code for= Kings Island will=20 become another Cedar Point (at which time I will have to start a revolution= ). =20=20 Disposing of the "almost cool" Backlot Stunt Track and Invertigo will be a = good thing (if=20 they are replaced with better stuff). I can't see how anything "better" wil= l fit where=20 Invertigo is, and the Backlot Stunt Track is so new. I would have to opera= te for a while to=20 pay itself off. I suppose they could move or remove other things at time. =20 It seems to me that Kings Island should head in one of two directions: The= "not Cedar=20 Point" (our steel tube coasters have inversions!) or the "woodie" capitol o= f the world.=20=20 Diamondback doesn't help either of those ideas.=20=20 Oh well they didn't ask me.=20=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Sep 17 12:20:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1471 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 19:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 19:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f13.google.com) (209.85.217.13) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 19:20:43 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so20970818gxk.5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.212.6 with SMTP id k6mr4000531ang.142.1221679242794; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0809171220y7591ea7el6ad17e95ed8d58f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:20:42 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0809162016s389e600fi19104e9af200dbd5@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=lRCeuAO6Dw1gRW3FQo6_1ofu6c-ZecllpIePRsidnR8juB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska The only ones I've really been thrilled by have been the two intamins I have ridden, sros sfne, and millenum force. Nitro was alright, but Lackluster and raging bull was a bore. The morgan and arrow hypers areok for what they are. And on your other point, isnt everything in this world driven by marketing or at least market forces? You could claim the term roller coaster was originally a marketing term. Who cares, stop fishing for trolls. Mike -someone start a topic on the sros upgrades, im too lazy On 9/17/08, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: >> > Okay folks, >> > Who thinks what about Diamondback? It is a new metal out and back >> > coaster going in at Kings Island. >> >> I think you mean hollow round tracked coaster with polyurethane wheels >> sorry >> >> -Mike! >> (I typically am dissapointed by B&M Hypercoasters) >> > Lowering myself to the marketing term... > > Is there a "hypercoaster" that isn't disappointing? > What would make one kind less boring then another? Does B&M do > something wrong > that someone else does right? > Out and back coasters exist because of limitations of early cars to make > corners. While I > feel the love for a John Allen design, to apply the most modern technology > to a coaster > designed to be within the limited technology of an earlier time seems dumb. > To my coaster taste "hypercoaster" is code for cheap, simple ride, or > "I would be a > better ride if I had wooden flat track." > > Still is there a "good hypercoaster" and if so which one is it? The have > all seemed the > same to me. > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Sep 17 13:01:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51155 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 20:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 20:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 20:01:04 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1246383ele.5 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.255.14 with SMTP id c14mr1027416wfi.296.1221681663309; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0809171301l5ba6d7c6g8ef71df9c2da6db3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:01:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0809162016s389e600fi19104e9af200dbd5@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ZjX97mnymNzIXW2OcX_Q1y5mPteqgYooK69cR8OYz-zjOnT_ug X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny B&M over-engineers their rides and removes a lot of the forces you'd come to associate with a coaster of that size. There are plenty of examples of non-"simple" hyper coasters out there. For instance: S:ROS at SFNE http://www.rcdb.com/ig628.htm?picture=12 GOLIATH at Walabi World http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=19 Expedition GeForce http://www.rcdb.com/ig977.htm and, some would even argue Magnum XL-200 http://www.rcdb.com/ig11.htm John Miller isn't the end-all of roller coaster design. Likewise, not all rides are designed with coat hangers. -Josh "Ron Toomer's 2nd biggest fan (next to Nate)" W On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: >> > Okay folks, >> > Who thinks what about Diamondback? It is a new metal out and back >> > coaster going in at Kings Island. >> >> I think you mean hollow round tracked coaster with polyurethane wheels >> sorry >> >> -Mike! >> (I typically am dissapointed by B&M Hypercoasters) >> > Lowering myself to the marketing term... > > Is there a "hypercoaster" that isn't disappointing? > What would make one kind less boring then another? Does B&M do something > wrong > that someone else does right? > Out and back coasters exist because of limitations of early cars to make > corners. While I > feel the love for a John Allen design, to apply the most modern technology > to a coaster > designed to be within the limited technology of an earlier time seems dumb. > To my coaster taste "hypercoaster" is code for cheap, simple ride, or "I > would be a > better ride if I had wooden flat track." > > Still is there a "good hypercoaster" and if so which one is it? The have all > seemed the > same to me. > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 18:12:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83343 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2008 01:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2008 01:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 01:11:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95129 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2008 01:11:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wHfi6FsVM1nMCQKA2.IS_YlCTd2hthYu1ZOqEfPpcoOfT8knKxfOCIthkWluXW9uPxrB6MJgVYpuTOj6WNMqUCJHzV0AzQKeOq8A6VnPjaKB.Xma2Jjgf8Ck_QbIlAPD2CmMtg-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:11:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:11:58 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221613035.17649.45546.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <414001.94737.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: QUES: Carolina Cobra X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WZYowEjA5LaH3PTcCEekBBTO2ImMCtebmqoY_EigWGP_9W4tCE78 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Anyone know who they are from, new ones from Vekoma, or (god forbid) Kumbak? < You're kidding, right, Adam? There's actually a company named Kumbak? That's pretty scary.... > ive always thought to myself while riding "this vekoma coaster could use some thick mettal bars at around neck or ear level". < LOL! Perfect! Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 18:21:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3227 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2008 01:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2008 01:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 01:21:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93043 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2008 01:21:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: K_hNEGAVM1kYbqW9tpQNiR_4m83hRmAKk7FuAwEbleaouzIiPYuJK7tMs.jiBTByNr3xEQtJR1uhwdVT885t2hlLxcjz1.3wAvugGA8TtnfGdshugmoGAP1jwpyniFIl9AXqYw-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:21:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221613035.17649.45546.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <844514.90574.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: News: Sort of? Coaster iPhone App X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=mQsvVf86DFAT6MO0FbyhbK3RODQPynMIr_nlgqfOTrG-h8dmFw-V X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Does anyone know if the iPhone accelerometer can be switched from the 2g setting to the 8g setting in software? < Do you mean the accelerometer or the GPS chip? The accelerometer is actually remarkably sensitive, and that can be tweaked considerably in the software. If you're talking about the GPS chip, things get a bit complicated. The iPhone was designed to use GPS in conjunction with WiFi and 3G triangulation for the most accurate reading. When on GPS alone, the reading not only takes quite a while (about 20 seconds) and sucks the iPhone's battery dry, but also can be off as much as 50 meters. If there's a strong 3G signal and WiFi, the GPS can pinpoint your location to within a few feet. But remember -- the iPhone doesn't cost $17,000. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Sep 18 05:57:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51699 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2008 12:57:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2008 12:57:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f11.google.com) (209.85.217.11) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 12:57:06 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so29322378gxk.22 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:57:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.152.17 with SMTP id z17mr1191329ybd.235.1221742625537; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:57:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0809180557s5a545735x6a7690af5da9e2f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:57:05 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <414001.94737.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1221613035.17649.45546.m45@yahoogroups.com> <414001.94737.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUES: Carolina Cobra X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=4CWtyBfXM_ITEeWxtM4y_kTE_RQlcZyBcpqIHnlBFioYI80 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "You're kidding, right, Adam? There's actually a company named Kumbak? That's pretty scary...." Ex-Vekoma guys. Most everything they have touched has been a POS. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 06:07:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63207 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2008 13:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2008 13:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2008 13:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2008 13:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2008 13:07:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:07:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Disney's Toy Story Mania - Riding with Health Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=y85bCgK02nU_QX3Epli8UFiFozzSWxX7Leq2kg4kShAOMAY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 18, 2008 PR.com http://www.pr.com/press-release/106283 by Stephen Ashley ORLANDO, FL -- Though it's getting rave reviews from park guests, if you have certain health conditions it may not be right for you. "We expected it to be relatively gentle and similar to the Buzz Lightyear ride in the Magic Kingdom, but once we got on it we were surprised to find that it was a rough ride," said Stephen Ashley, author of the guide book Walt Disney World with Disabilities (WDWwD). "For my wife Sarah it was a bit of a shock, and if she had known what it was like she probably would have chosen not to try it because of her neck problem." This highly advanced interactive ride opened in June 2008, and it's become one of the most popular rides at Disney. Considered a 4-D experience, it's inspired by Disney Pixar's "Toy Story" films. Guests will be "shrunk" to toy size to play an assortment of midway games with the stars of the film; Woody, Buzz, Rex, Hamm and others. Using a spring action shooter gun, participants will shoot 3-D targets for points. Using newer technology, this experience will be a blast for a large percentage of Disney guests. However the motion and special effects may be challenging for those with certain conditions including neck and back problems, weakness, epilepsy, balance issues and vertigo. It has rough tracks, jerky motion, high speed turns and spins and sudden stops that can feel quite rough. Regardless, many people even with mild to moderate health issues will be able to participate and enjoy it. Want to know what to expect? You can find a thorough description of Toy Story Mania on www.Diz-Abled.com. It includes in-depth details about the physical and emotional feel of the ride, along with tips for riding with greater comfort. The description is designed to assist travelers in deciding whether the ride is appropriate for them. Ashley posts sections of his book on the official website; however he does not ordinarily include ride and attraction excerpts. "We made an exception for this one ride. We just released the revised and updated version of WDWwD, making it current to 2009," explained Ashley. "My wife Sarah and I had tested out Toy Story Mania after the book went to print, so we decided to write a full article and place it on the website." That web article along with the book provides readers an up-to-date 2009 version of WDWwD. The article includes photos of the attraction including the queue and the ride cars, as well as a link to a video of the ride in motion. The description of Toy Story Mania will be included in the next edition of WDWwD. The book is designed to support travelers with minor to major health and emotional concerns so they can safely and comfortably enjoy Disney to the fullest. Book review taken from MagicalMountain.net: "WDWwD is a must read. While the title may lead you to believe that this is a guide for those with severe disabilities, it really is a guide for anyone. Not only will you get useful information for those who are wheelchair bound, but also you get great tips for those with more "minor" disabilities such as motion sickness or allergies." Bob Sehlinger, author of The Unofficial Guide to Walt Disney World wrote: "I think it's a fine guide that reflects a lot of experience learned the hard way. I was astonished at Sarah's attitude given her many challenges and am greatly impressed by her pluck. The guide certainly makes the point that if she can have a great time at WDW then most anyone can... the content is solid." WDWwD is now available on the Web through the official Web site: www.Diz-Abled.com. Or it may be ordered through www.Amazon.com and www.barnesandnoble.com. For bulk purchase and group discounts contact the publisher, Ball Media Innovations, Inc., at (954) 432-1274. -------------- Copyright 2008 PR Worldwide, Inc. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 18:02:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 583 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 01:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 01:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 01:02:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12360 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2008 01:02:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JFjsTv8VM1kBOmSRUMBy4LTHbkfMMun7quWW5AfpSEVrMrZ0lQ7BeWN6pkX1hBYyeTUXv7ym01sHYfMboPuO8SgYcatdffBh3lUjrRAFv4kqEy6IMCU4xX.VWs4il9V9Z6EByg-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:02:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:02:09 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221704649.5563.90032.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <244457.12061.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: TECH: SROS upgrades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ESHjKrGW9NMi5SLwzjKtvUnl1ITp3SUIBrZQe4na4KbF91UV4cVu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > -someone start a topic on the sros upgrades, im too lazy < Okay, Mike, here's your topic. I haven't heard anything about upgrades; what have you heard? Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 18 18:14:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59423 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 01:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 01:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.227) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 01:14:43 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so162033rvf.49 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.136.5 with SMTP id j5mr8056792rvd.0.1221786882938; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:14:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:14:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <244457.12061.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1221704649.5563.90032.m45@yahoogroups.com> <244457.12061.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TECH: SROS upgrades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ree04Y4bx2kLx-uPFHQAJZtK8tF670Wg3nUHyR8hCzxHW9J_og1Dm-o X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Okay, Mike, here's your topic. I haven't heard anything about upgrades; what > have you heard? http://www.sixflags.com/newEngland/info/News_SupermanRideOfSteelRelaunch.aspx -Nate From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Sep 18 18:17:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12332 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 01:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 01:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 01:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 01:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 01:17:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:17:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0809171220y7591ea7el6ad17e95ed8d58f3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=3ARW7Ht7n-m7ojLD_QFoCHXE6G2Hz33Eh4Y8ItvuLgE X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" w= rote: > > The only ones I've really been thrilled by have been the two intamins > I have ridden, sros sfne, and millenum force. Nitro was alright, but > Lackluster and raging bull was a bore. The morgan and arrow hypers > areok for what they are. >=20 > And on your other point, isnt everything in this world driven by > marketing or at least market forces? You could claim the term roller > coaster was originally a marketing term. Who cares, stop fishing for > trolls. >=20 > Mike I would hope things in this world are driven by forces other then mark= eting. I don't=20 know that I would have called "roller coaster" a marketing term. It is a f= airly descriptive=20 name. I will freely admit that point of view that "wooden" coaster is used= mostly for=20 marketing is a non-main stream one. Hypercoaster on the other hand I will stick to as a basically nothing = but marketing.=20=20 Brilliant marketing, but marketing.=20=20 "Hey that steel coaster is dumb it doesn't have inversions."=20=20 "It is not dumb it is a 'hypercoaster.'" "Hey that steel coaster is just an out and back coaster like that 'woo= den' coaster." "No its not it is a "hypercoaster.'" I used to call it the "Beetles effect" now I call it the "Titanic effe= ct." The Beetles (music)=20 and Titanic (the movie) were (are) so hyped that they automatically fail to= be a good as=20 they are supposed to be. The hype around the Magnum and MF was so great wh= en I went=20 to ride them they were disappointments. Part of that is early ignorance on= my part (at the=20 time), but part of the blame has to lay with the folk that "spin" things to= the point where=20 there is no way to be THAT good.=20=20 I want my roller coaster "pallet" to be as "refined" as possible. As = such I will ride these=20 rides and learn about them. I want to know what others think make one good= and one not=20 as good. In the end they are just out and back coasters. (Depending on yo= ur definitions.=20=20 Mike is the first person in my history to refer to Raging Bull a hypercoast= er.) I think as a=20 student of the "art" one must compare them with all out and back's and givi= ng them a=20 special name is just marketing. I think the way the marketing is done does= more harm=20 then good. From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Sep 18 18:25:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24295 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 01:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 01:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 01:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 01:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 01:25:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:25:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0809171301l5ba6d7c6g8ef71df9c2da6db3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=M6t6GdC4EJR25-ltQLTwxNqFEdaQbZaqA5BtlEdKqDA X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" wrote: > > B&M over-engineers their rides and removes a lot of the forces you'd > come to associate with a coaster of that size. >=20 Nicely put, I get it. Thank you. From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Sep 18 18:33:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39599 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 01:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 01:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 01:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 01:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 01:33:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:33:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=WbhtNc35mVNo23_nWsQIa5gb2m5yIpKFV2dfunyG7Mw X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj What is the consensus on the meaning of "hypercoaster." Not that I intend = to use it but I=20 want to know what people mean when they use it. At least one of the exampl= es Josh gave=20 had inversions, other sources say they don't have inversions. Likewise is = Raging Bull at SFGA=20 a "hypercoaster"? Do people have a drop requirement (+200ft)? I don't lik= e the term but I=20 don't like not knowing what people are talking about more.=20=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 18 19:19:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27451 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 02:19:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 02:19:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.241) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 02:19:39 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so191894rvf.10 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:19:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.168.16 with SMTP id v16mr173750rvo.233.1221790779740; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:19:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:19:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=hbIHh0U4l4-OgNi2JrcqMJAPS2HOkFFp3iEv8-xXzhUdCOFKwTq9u1o X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > What is the consensus on the meaning of "hypercoaster." Not that I intend to > use it but I > want to know what people mean when they use it. What's the point? You'll probably just invent your own word to use for any definition we give you. -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Sep 18 21:26:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32520 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 04:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 04:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 04:26:20 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so149619waf.20 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.159.5 with SMTP id h5mr4905546wae.222.1221798380375; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap6.p4.sca.7sys.net ( [66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j34sm1760190waf.48.2008.09.18.21.26.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=4lztfngXkl9kvK0SHa9dF86Sl7z5r3zougEXc1BAdic8RdLyvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Inversions? Nothing I listed has any inversions. Where did you get that? Josh --- Original Message --- From:"Jon Osborn" Sent:Thu 9/18/08 9:35 pm To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" What is the consensus on the meaning of "hypercoaster." Not that I intend to use it but I want to know what people mean when they use it. At least one of the examples Josh gave had inversions, other sources say they don't have inversions. Likewise is Raging Bull at SFGA a "hypercoaster"? Do people have a drop requirement (+200ft)? I don't like the term but I don't like not knowing what people are talking about more. From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Sep 18 22:19:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96329 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 05:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 05:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 05:19:37 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so43148yxi.56 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:19:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.137.8 with SMTP id k8mr1590902ybd.192.1221801577358; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:19:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.138.16 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:19:37 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=G_xmcwsK_YvHO0jCP6O05zJL2fTz0kQrBaW5DmZ9WR_AzUG5wNa2sDU X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > What is the consensus on the meaning of "hypercoaster." > Using a quick check of the ole' interweb, this here wikipedia article has what I consider to be the most common definition (and a handy list): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercoaster In short: no inversions, a lifthill, and a lift or drop greater than 200 ft. in height (and unless if there's an unwritten rule that they're steel, post-loop SoB should've been added to that list). They're essentially an attempt to distill the basic elements of a wooden coaster into a smoother, taller, faster form. And Raging Bull has always been a hypercoaster, dull as it is. Likewise, Goliath, Titan, Phantom's Revenge, and a few of the Intamin hypers would probably be better labeled as twisters, not simple out-and-backs. However, the out-and-back approach makes a lot of sense, since drops generally give a better indication of height than turns. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 19 06:55:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15056 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 13:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 13:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 13:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D11F3C94C3 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:55:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 X-Received: by dm25.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm25.48d281d1.1b546 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:55:03 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI0683BYKg7QIAAAAB,077312a18e4bd6b59dffb712d522c6f8 Message-ID: <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:55:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=-wCwEXYCvOlOTPgvsYXh911SkUYDS4xdbXpwtTLl85fN3G2fI2l6-wbQbg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > --- Original Message --- > From:"Jon Osborn" > Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" > > What is the consensus on the meaning of "hypercoaster." Not that I intend > to use it but I > want to know what people mean when they use it. In short... a Hypercoaster is a steel coaster that is over 200 feet tall, no inversions, designed typically with speed and airtime in mind, which is why the majority of them feature some form of "out & back" style layout similar to what you would expect from an out & back wood coaster. They layouts can differ of course, as you see with some of the more twisted hypers out there like Raging Bull, Titan or Goliath at SFMM... but those are really the rare exceptions. Then you have something like Goliath at SFOG which is essentially still an out & back layout, but in a park that didn't have room to do it as a straight run, so it's kind of a warped out & back layout due to space problems. The term Hypercoaster came about after the creation of Magnum at Cedar Point and just stuck to all the similar designs that followed like Desperado, Steel Force, Wild Thing, Apollo's Chariot, Nitro, Silver Star, etc. Now the ride companies have some up with some alternate names for the design style for their own use, Intamin for example called them Mega Coasters. This kind of led to Millennium Force being the first Giga Coaster, which is essentially the same design concept, but for a ride over 300 feet tall. Then for those Hypercoaster designs out there that just come up a little bit short of the 200 foot limit, the term Junior Hypercoaster was coined I believe with the creation of Steel Eel at SeaWorld Texas since it is a classic Hypercoaster design but was only about 160-170 feet tall. I don't know if anyone really knows who first used the term Hypercoaster, but it has become a generally accepted coaster term in the biz, just as all swinging coasters are called Suspended and if they don't swing then they are called Inverted. (Of course the exception to this coming from Vekoma who called their design suspended to sound different from B&M Inverted design, but as a general rejection of this concept all Vekoma inverted coasters have simply been dubbed SLCs (Suspended Looping Coaster) since the mention of the word "suspended" immediately causes some confusion. I've often thought of coming up with some kind of dictionary of basic coaster enthusaist terminoligy for Screamscape, but I've just never had the time. Does this exist on any website anywhere? It would be nice to just be able to point this kind of thing out to newbies as a quick Coaster 101 education tool. Pointing out the difference between Inverted and Suspended, Corkscrews and Flat-Spins, etc... From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 19 06:59:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65226 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 13:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 13:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0108.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 13:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0108.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD615C390B8 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm103.48d282f8.699f6 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:59:03 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI07Anm5hpXQIAAAAB,9e928380c5233894dc7bd70966f82c89 Message-ID: <9D1D61E6D7D2475690645425281707F8@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:59:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=1p93thxFz7d7K1E4rMsKwpYjxApkoa4ETjoQWmv7zEIPbN4_UVWnMtWPIg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" wrote: > > The only ones I've really been thrilled by have been the two intamins > I have ridden, sros sfne, and millenum force. Nitro was alright, but > Lackluster and raging bull was a bore. The morgan and arrow hypers > areok for what they are. While I enjoyed the first Superman Ride of Steel at Darien Lake, I've yet to try the SFNE version... but where I differ with a lot of people is that I found Millennium Force to be a complete bore. Of course I rode it for the first time right after taking a ride on Top Thrill Dragster, so the concept of speed was lost on me at that point I suppose, but other than the thrill of the fast lift hill, the initial height, it was all quite dull after the thrill of the first drop and I was disapointed. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 19 07:01:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42100 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 14:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 14:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 14:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F92674E16 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:00:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 X-Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm101.48d282ea.695ab for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:00:00 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI07BgmomMgwIAAAAB,e61ce1c03c4e0afddeef17ad28779d44 Message-ID: To: References: <1221704649.5563.90032.m45@yahoogroups.com> <244457.12061.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:59:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TECH: SROS upgrades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=QgrUjq4Thyjr8UX8BEq4HXvfC5EPhBZ7hd3F8zSDyUPK_BZG3URQn4Ce3g X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance They're doing an X2 style facelift on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Kohlrusch" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TECH: SROS upgrades >> Okay, Mike, here's your topic. I haven't heard anything about upgrades; >> what >> have you heard? > > > http://www.sixflags.com/newEngland/info/News_SupermanRideOfSteelRelaunch.aspx > > -Nate > From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Sep 19 07:20:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14423 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 14:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 14:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 14:20:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 14:20:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 14:20:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:20:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: "hypercoaster" OOPS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=P_ReTlvXGucANQcluHL0EYvwvrl2wHJIjvj08yMUe0I X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj My Bad! The picture of Goliath just looks like a loop. On closer inspection=20 the track twists to avoid upside down... Interesting. I will have myself given a million lashes with a wet noodle. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, josh.wozny@... wrote: > > Inversions? Nothing I listed has any inversions. Where did you get=20 that? >=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 19 07:38:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10986 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 14:38:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 14:38:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 14:38:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27542 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 14:38:40 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Sep 2008 14:38:40 -0000 Message-ID: <48D3B955.6080805@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:38:13 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <9D1D61E6D7D2475690645425281707F8@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <9D1D61E6D7D2475690645425281707F8@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=FhDLxZ2LHbAVv16XA4yzLbV0RmvLwt1g0-Xdj8kyDO13uwwL X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > found Millennium Force to be a complete bore. Of course I rode it for the I have yet to find any coaster "a bore", but I agree that Millennium Force just does nothing. Unexciting first drop, little air, no sense of speed, and just doesn't seem to do any one thing well. I do really like the first turn, but other than that I'd rather be at Kennywood :) Cameron. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Sep 19 07:39:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57714 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 14:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 14:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 14:39:47 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so72225yxp.38 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.218.4 with SMTP id q4mr48820wfg.273.1221835187218; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0809190739t773b89abgfb0858227f18b0a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:39:47 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: "hypercoaster" OOPS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=nl7LHa2zyWMdaTnycHwGHoRM9q4nvtYyfzglodXfN1_zzUCPmg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Very good then. No worries. I actually kind of figured that might have been what threw you for a loop (ha ha pun). Josh On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Jon Osborn wrote: > My Bad! > > The picture of Goliath just looks like a loop. On closer inspection > the track twists to avoid upside down... > > Interesting. > > I will have myself given a million lashes with a wet noodle. > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, josh.wozny@... wrote: >> >> Inversions? Nothing I listed has any inversions. Where did you get > that? >> > > From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 19 09:10:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15729 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 16:09:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 16:09:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0106.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 16:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from dm07.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0106.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D138C88A14B for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm07 X-Received: by dm07.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm07.48d28126.305b5 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:09:52 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI087QxMkEFwIAAAAB,c5fbd36fdad272aacae10e0af9fef3a2 Message-ID: <7DC7DA40FFD54C76892E0ACE72E5831D@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <9D1D61E6D7D2475690645425281707F8@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3B955.6080805@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <48D3B955.6080805@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:09:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Y1B1rJGikkWJ_euyU6uhkLTbXvOeydlo77yxtBUB7fSWgUlpKetE46YQ7w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Silver" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Marketing (Was Diamondback) > >> found Millennium Force to be a complete bore. Of course I rode it for the > > I have yet to find any coaster "a bore", but I agree that Millennium > Force just does nothing. Unexciting first drop, little air, no sense of > speed, and just doesn't seem to do any one thing well. I do really like > the first turn, but other than that I'd rather be at Kennywood :) I just went back to the other side of the park and rode Magnum 2-3 more times instead... it was the superior ride between the two. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri Sep 19 10:06:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96927 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 17:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 17:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 17:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 17:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 17:06:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:06:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=eY62Rf312_sJhtYTtsQvHdJexDui_pykAX57nbudfGPy1tkoyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 "The Beetles [sic]"? OMG, I can't listen to you anymore. Jon Z (who knows the real title -- and spelling -- of "the white album") --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > I used to call it the "Beetles effect" now I call it=20 the "Titanic effect." The Beetles (music)=20 > and Titanic (the movie) were (are) so hyped that they automatically=20 fail to be a good as=20 > they are supposed to be.=20=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 11:09:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65820 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 18:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 18:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 18:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KgkPZ-0007Xp-Mc for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:08:39 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb7442250632e6ec72f08ca190857a08b393736d26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=c1U6TPPIRWAK4qcaw6cEO6DE4MsruCMM7B1VsYUhzWrnLLY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance wrote: > In short... a Hypercoaster is a steel coaster that is over 200 feet > tall, Just to throw a worm into it, ACE and RRC typically stop their definition right there. Their only criteria is that the coaster has a height or drop of 200 feet or more. That led to a lot of confusion that still continues. I recall many people calling Steel Phantom a hypercoaster, and it certainly had inversions. Son of Beast in it's original incarnation with the loop was also called a wooden hypercoaster by a heck of a lot of people. I could put in a few other examples. In my experience it really seems like it's been the last couple of years that there's been a hard line that it has to not have inversions, and the layout (out and back vs twister) to me is really semantics, as most coasters don't fit neatly into either category. For me, I stick with the original definition as I understood it- any coaster with lift or height over 200 feet. I know I'm in a shrinking minority apparently, but that's ok with me. > This kind > of led to Millennium Force being the first Giga Coaster, which is > essentially the same design concept, but for a ride over 300 feet tall. I thought that was actually Cedar Fair's marketing that came up with the "giga" name, not Intamin > > I've often thought of coming up with some kind of dictionary of basic > coaster enthusaist terminoligy for Screamscape, but I've just never had the > time. > Does this exist on any website anywhere? Well, since you asked... RRC used to have one posted on their list. We took that a while back, adapted and updated it a bit, and posted it on the group files site. You can see it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/ And look for the file labeled "definitions.txt" It is in need of updating I'm sure. So if someone wants to do so, go for it! :) BTW, our definition on there since 2001, as edited by Nate at the time, was any coaster over 200'. So even Nate used to say that at one time. :P keep on ridin' George From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 19 11:36:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68899 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 18:36:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 18:36:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0105.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 18:36:19 -0000 X-Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7329893EC8A for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 X-Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm20.48d281ab.1432a for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:36:18 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI0/EiRYoQJAIAAAAB,e8ed8ec0d4ad69df661ba86b9c772ddc Message-ID: To: References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:36:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=4LIErDnVYOdRscg1VSlQ9b8tRBlJ91K4to2DVjy_VmFiuwfD10XjK1Zf2w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Just to throw a worm into it, ACE and RRC typically stop their > definition right there. Their only criteria is that the coaster has a > height or drop of 200 feet or more. Is RRC still around? I didn't think anyone used newsgroups anymore... I wouldn't even think to call Steel Phantom a hyper... it was clearly an Arrow looper and really the successor to to SFMM's Viper, which was TALLER (188ft), but didn't have as big a drop due to Phantom's location on the hillside, giving them the edge in that area. Magnum was the first to be called that, so I go along with that concept that made Magnum different from anything else before. Steel, 200ft+ and no inverions. You could also add a "lapbar only" restraint factor too I suppose if you needed another reason to weed out Steel Phantom... Plus technically... at no point was Steel Phantom's track ever 200ft off the ground... it just had that one awesome second drop down the hill... I can't think of any hyper with OTS... > Son of Beast in it's original incarnation with the loop was > also called a wooden hypercoaster by a heck of a lot of people. I could > put in a few other examples. For height, I suppose... but I've heard the same comparison about Shivering Timbers which is no where near as tall... based on the design and airtime it had back then. > In my experience it really seems like it's been the last couple of years > that there's been a hard line that it has to not have inversions News to me... that always went back to day one... since the idea of the Hyper was essentially a 200ft plus version of a Mine Train style coaster train design, and you wont find a mine train with loops... >> This kind >> of led to Millennium Force being the first Giga Coaster, which is >> essentially the same design concept, but for a ride over 300 feet tall. > > I thought that was actually Cedar Fair's marketing that came up with the > "giga" name, not Intamin I think Intamin used it because I think it was on the Intamin track labels for MF when it arrived... Or at least I think I saw a photo of one... I know I've seen pictures of them that say Mega... From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 19 11:37:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63679 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 18:37:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 18:37:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0105.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 18:37:09 -0000 X-Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C40294020C for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 X-Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm52.48d282b0.3676d for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:37:08 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI0/FUB37oMQIAAAAB,2bbabc0e8a5b23e134bab78819a844e0 Message-ID: <3CFBBA041AA44059828D7682B1205F84@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:37:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=mJo2FazSPyLsRwfZdjs9vfupCkdTNV4fCWjjbKZ5qcApz_CP2xRQvWQSag X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Oh yes... Shuttle Coasters over 200 ft tall are also out as far as the Hyper category goes. So Superman: The Escape doesn't count... though some still don't even count it as a coaster. ;-) From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Sep 19 11:40:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74092 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 18:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 18:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 18:40:28 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so675050fgg.40 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:40:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.181.19.15 with SMTP id w15mr439180bki.46.1221849626804; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm1430225nfv.18.2008.09.19.11.40.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:40:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:40:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AckagxmkF/W89cmFRUOiopFtUx5V+QAA8W0g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: <48d3f219.0116300a.7cc1.ffff9592@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.153 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=BlMR28HR7iOXjlyJY8axbKeKw0s3hjotjwh6vGstTvXHg5c X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I thought that was actually Cedar Fair's marketing that came up with the "giga" name, not Intamin" In my mind I want to say Intamin. For some reason I thought the MF cars had a metal label riveted on that said "Giga" coaster (and likewise the hypers had a "Mega" stamp). Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@gmail.com Fri Sep 19 12:21:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5891 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 19:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 19:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.189) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 19:21:19 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k32so237812rnd.7 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.213.2 with SMTP id p2mr766019qbq.37.1221852078103; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.138.16 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:21:18 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=6d5_tUG0Ca6mfbsCcm_7P1uGYaqGDI9SAswrICDMG27X-aDWJib_EVc X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:08 AM, george burnash wrote: >Just to throw a worm into it, ACE and RRC typically stop their >definition right there. Their only criteria is that the coaster has a >height or drop of 200 feet or more. Maybe that's their official definition, but even in the Summer 2003 issue of RollerCoaster! there was an article on hypercoasters that disagrees with it. It narrows down hypercoasters to over 200 ft. in height and/or drop, and not including shuttles, loopers, or launched coasters. Of course, that was just one author's opinion, and it doesn't necessarily agree with ACE's as a whole (if they have one), but it shows that the debate has been around a while. I think it's just recently that the definition became more strict because of the introduction of several coasters which meet the height requirement, but are more focused on other features (mostly the rocket coasters and dive machines). I personally fall more into the belief system that a coaster is defined primarily by the emphasis and intention of its design, not just what elements it includes. I hold the 200 ft. requirement out of tradition, but if B&M made something like Apollo's Chariot, with the changes of a tire launched lift hill, and a zero-G roll stuck in the middle of a series of drops, I'd probably still consider it a hypercoaster since it's intention would be about the same as before. But since nothing exists which blurs the lines like that, I currently go by the 200ft/lift/no inversions rule out of simplicity, and consider anything else that comes close to be an honorary hypercoaster. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 19 14:28:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63190 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 21:28:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 21:28:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.251) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 21:28:11 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so530923rvb.26 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.131.11 with SMTP id e11mr337933rvd.153.1221859690784; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:28:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:28:10 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=9m-TQV8uNlOqwIHJtQIFh9Jhie5LbYn5SO-96JGcombZosOIKIx-y14 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Okay folks, > Who thinks what about Diamondback? > If I had been running the park I would have thought it needed a > good closed circuit inverted coaster. I think the park needs a good, solid, stand-out steel coaster, and I think that's exactly what they're getting in Diamondback. That could have also been accomplished by a large inverted coaster, sure, but the park already has Invertigo, plus a couple other large looping coasters (Vortex, Flight of Fear). Add to that the fact that they just built Firehawk, and I think a hypercoaster is one of the best choices they could have made. > I also think a new "medium weight" "woodie" (i.e. > Legend or Renegade) would be a good addition as well. I think Kings Island has more wooden coasters than they can thoroughly maintain of now. > I think you will see some rides come out that dont fit, i.e. Invertigo, Backlot Stunt Track, and stuff like > that. I don't think Backlot Stunt Track is going anywhere anytime soon. It's relatively new, it's a great family ride, and doesn't have any major issues that I'm aware of. I'd imagine they'd consider removing SOB before a successful and popular family coaster. > Out and back coasters exist because of limitations of early cars to make corners. That's not true, and it borders in silly. While that may have been a driving force behind early out and back coasers, that is certainly no longer the case. The "out and back" is simply a fairly popular design style...nothing more, nothing less. > To my coaster taste "hypercoaster" is code for cheap, simple ride, or "I would be a > better ride if I had wooden flat track." Except that a hypercoaster is probably the most expensive ride you could choose to buy. > Still is there a "good hypercoaster" and if so which one is it? The have all seemed the > same to me. Funny, the enthusiast population in general seems to prefer hypercoasters over other types of steel coasters. Six of the top ten steel coasters are hypercoasters. Superman: Ride of Steel at SFNE is generally considered one of (if not the) greatest steel coasters ever built. See http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm for more. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 19 14:44:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32572 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.245) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so568690rvf.10 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.153.16 with SMTP id f16mr362440rvo.17.1221860644661; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:44:04 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KCJmAHBpj7cpY4yEJrE6LeW7AHITkrek04fb9T1BlSJXRZ7Yn9Kjl4o X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I recall many > people calling Steel Phantom a hypercoaster, and it certainly had > inversions. Son of Beast in it's original incarnation with the loop was > also called a wooden hypercoaster by a heck of a lot of people. I could > put in a few other examples. While you could certainly debate it, Steel Phantom didn't really fit any of the standards used to describe other hypercoasters. It did not stand 200' tall. It had multiple inversions. It did not focus on airtime vs other elements. It ran Arrow's looping coaster rolling stock. It was always sort of the bastard child, but either way is certainly not a model example of a hypercoaster. Likewise, since hypercoaster has always referred to steel coasters only, it seems silly to refer to SOB as a "wooden hypercoaster" unless you're using only the very basic definition of hypercoaster (a ride more than 200' tall). People may have used the term, but I wouldn't say it was ever a generally accepted term, nor was it used by the park or manufacturer. > the layout (out and back vs twister) to me is really semantics, as most > coasters don't fit neatly into either category. Agreed. Layout (out & back vs twister) is irrelevant to whether the ride is a hypercoaster or not. > BTW, our definition on there since 2001, as edited by Nate at the time, > was any coaster over 200'. So even Nate used to say that at one time. :P I take no credit or responsibility for the definitions used there. I edited them, but not necessarily for accuracy. > Is RRC still around? I didn't think anyone used newsgroups anymore... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.roller-coaster > I can't think of any hyper with OTS... Bandit at Yomiuriland was pretty much the precursor to the hypercoaster (and the ride Ron Toomer ripped off when he designed Magdum). It's more of a hypertwister, but it stands nearly 200' tall, does not have inversions, and has a number of airtime hills. It also runs with OTSR's. And then there's Manhattan Express... > For some reason I thought the MF cars had a metal label riveted on that said "Giga" coaster (and likewise > the hypers had a "Mega" stamp). http://www.pointbuzz.com/Photos/Photo.aspx?id=1184 Intamin definitely uses the term "gigacoaster". Not only is it on the MF cars, but it's used on their website (http://www.intaminworldwide.com). Chance Morgan also uses the term "hypercoaster" on their website: http://www.chancemorgan.com/coasters3.html -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 19 14:48:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48759 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 21:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 21:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 21:48:36 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so689094rvf.24 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:48:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.162.21 with SMTP id k21mr334449rve.261.1221860915742; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:48:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:48:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7DC7DA40FFD54C76892E0ACE72E5831D@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9D1D61E6D7D2475690645425281707F8@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3B955.6080805@buzzneon.com> <7DC7DA40FFD54C76892E0ACE72E5831D@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ig8u_QZgPLlkpgDQ-oFvCY-NfX5NXNbvOtgEMsoxodE2ArdkzhqTvI0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> I have yet to find any coaster "a bore", but I agree that Millennium >> Force just does nothing. Unexciting first drop, little air, no sense of >> speed, and just doesn't seem to do any one thing well. I do really like >> the first turn, but other than that I'd rather be at Kennywood :) > > I just went back to the other side of the park and rode Magnum 2-3 more > times instead... it was the superior ride between the two. I really don't understand comments like this. While I don't love all the meandering around on the island that MF does, I've personally experienced quite a bit of air on that ride, so I know it's there. The first drop is certainly more exciting than that ramp on the other side of the peninsula. And as for which ride is superior, well, MF is preferred over Magnum 4:1 (source: http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm). -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 19 16:16:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41569 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 23:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 23:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 23:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F04F3C6795 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 X-Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm52.48d282b0.4282d for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:16:49 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI1DLhKlQsnwIAAAAB,37254946cacefbeaa33ac520781cfb82 Message-ID: <319FD5836D144622A850A201F5120DA5@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:16:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=NEtGJVPJLC_KazY0Plok6uspSDYIwZ57cb-jNa2MIZhzBdG0cMgc5gEJrw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> I can't think of any hyper with OTS... > > Bandit at Yomiuriland was pretty much the precursor to the > hypercoaster (and the ride Ron Toomer ripped off when he designed > Magdum). It's more of a hypertwister, but it stands nearly 200' tall, > does not have inversions, and has a number of airtime hills. It also > runs with OTSR's. > > And then there's Manhattan Express... Manhattan Express is more like a crappy version of Steel Phantom. Not a hypercoaster in the least... a crappy first drop, with the biggest drop coming second... then it all goes really wrong from there... a couple of inversions and a bunch of crappy turns and tiny hills... That is a coaster I wouldn't mind seeing come down or turned into something else. The last of the Togo sit-down loopers left in the USA I believe... one of only 2 Togos in the US as far as I can think of right now, with the other being Shockwave (stand-up) at Kings Dominion. Then there one more stand-up at Canada's Wonderland too... but I think all the rest of the Togo head bashing machines (Viper, Windjammer) and UltraTwisters (Astroworld) are now gone... From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 17:00:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9666 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 00:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 00:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 00:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kgpu4-0001Gh-Ff for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:00:48 -0400 Message-ID: <48D43D30.3000505@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:00:48 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48d329eb.22ba720a.4d69.ffffa135@mx.google.com> <28D7EC2B31A84A59A77F3024546F9F5D@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3EAA7.8020702@earthlink.net> <3CFBBA041AA44059828D7682B1205F84@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: <3CFBBA041AA44059828D7682B1205F84@ScreamscapeHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb7442250626b3e816b3dab57c3a9e3b66a6edcb21350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=16hhMdvBsNMAxXWvNXuiLJwoDlcsdlhr2vZOqv6A-R2cRfA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance wrote: > > > Oh yes... Shuttle Coasters over 200 ft tall are also out as far as the > Hyper > category goes. > So Superman: The Escape doesn't count... though some still don't even count > it as a coaster. ;-) > Yeah, on that part I'd agree. Hyper has to be a full circuit coaster, not a shuttle. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 17:06:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31289 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 00:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 00:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 00:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KgpzN-0001fT-CE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:06:17 -0400 Message-ID: <48D43E60.8040506@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:05:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <9D1D61E6D7D2475690645425281707F8@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3B955.6080805@buzzneon.com> <7DC7DA40FFD54C76892E0ACE72E5831D@ScreamscapeHP> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb74422506e956384f8d31420f552761c56ff1b69e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=uzGknt7bY_wlMOesrQvGAH4PmG076DcrqEs26FqAEsWpucY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > >> I have yet to find any coaster "a bore", but I agree that Millennium > >> Force just does nothing. Unexciting first drop, little air, no sense of > >> speed, and just doesn't seem to do any one thing well. I do really like > >> the first turn, but other than that I'd rather be at Kennywood :) > > > > I just went back to the other side of the park and rode Magnum 2-3 more > > times instead... it was the superior ride between the two. > > I really don't understand comments like this. While I don't love all > the meandering around on the island that MF does, I've personally > experienced quite a bit of air on that ride, so I know it's there. As much as I disagree with those who claim that MF has a lot of air (it certainly doesn't in my book), I definitely won't claim that about the drop. Particularly if you're in the back of the train on MF, that pullover will shoot you right out of the seat. One of my more memorable (frightening) moments was riding that with Brian in the back, when he told me to lift my feet on the drop. I did, and boy was I up in my seat! It's all speed after that, but there is most certainly air on that first drop if you're in the back half of the train. And if you're in the front? Well, I doubt that there is a coaster out there with air on the first drop when you're in the front of the train, you silly goose. :) keep on ridin' George From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Sep 19 17:29:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45906 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 00:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 00:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-182.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 00:29:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17956 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2008 23:25:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 23:25:43 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KgqLk-0005Ot-8x for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:29:24 -0600 Message-Id: <1CA053D8-C5F7-4D7D-BB87-83E66158AB2D@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48D43E60.8040506@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:30:04 -0400 References: <9D1D61E6D7D2475690645425281707F8@ScreamscapeHP> <48D3B955.6080805@buzzneon.com> <7DC7DA40FFD54C76892E0ACE72E5831D@ScreamscapeHP> <48D43E60.8040506@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=ejtafVGEOhHoLCBUrQCNKiVczUBQnXGzzLBhmRTVVlrQc0f_PRci X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > And if you're in the front? Well, I doubt that there is a coaster out > there with air on the first drop when you're in the front of the > train, > you silly goose. :) Hypersonic XLC! Mike From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Sep 19 20:58:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33447 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 03:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 03:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 03:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 03:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 03:58:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:58:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=F5iTxWFkGgvq36cahvOGAqghZF7JKmsttNcDRoWJDso X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Nate, I am testing a theory. Do you own a motorcycle? From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Sep 19 21:19:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92357 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 04:19:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 04:19:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 04:19:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 04:19:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 04:19:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:18:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=CgWKqdS5LmvlXGf5TIyAYylfOgQu4KOFuCpzgOnfQdc X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Okay folks, > > Who thinks what about Diamondback? > > If I had been running the park I would have thought it needed a > > good closed circuit inverted coaster. >=20 > I think the park needs a good, solid, stand-out steel coaster, and I > think that's exactly what they're getting in Diamondback. That could > have also been accomplished by a large inverted coaster, sure, but the > park already has Invertigo, plus a couple other large looping coasters > (Vortex, Flight of Fear). Add to that the fact that they just built > Firehawk, and I think a hypercoaster is one of the best choices they > could have made. >=20 Except a Diamondback is an out and back "copy" of Magnum and Wildthing. It= will be a=20 little different but it won't "stand out." The only virtue in it is that i= t will contrast the rest=20 of the park.=20=20 > > Out and back coasters exist because of limitations of early cars to mak= e corners. >=20 > That's not true, and it borders in silly. While that may have been a > driving force behind early out and back coasers, that is certainly no > longer the case. The "out and back" is simply a fairly popular design > style...nothing more, nothing less. The cars on older coaster have a limitation of the corners and/or the banki= ng that they can=20 take. (http://capital2.capital.edu/admin-staff/dalthoff/coastercar.html) a= s such the=20 traditional out and back design exists to optimize the motion the cars were= good at. To=20 call this "untrue" is an insult. Out and back coasters are popular. Fords are more "popular" then Lincolns = are you going=20 to tell me the Fords are "better." More cost effective, maybe. "Popular" i= s usually code for=20 "other people are a dumb as I am so its okay."=20 >=20 > > To my coaster taste "hypercoaster" is code for cheap, simple ride, or "= I would be a > > better ride if I had wooden flat track." >=20 > Except that a hypercoaster is probably the most expensive ride you > could choose to buy. Not over the life of the coaster. You yourself just got done saying that K= ings Island had=20 trouble maintaining the wooden coasters it has. That means they are more e= xpensive to=20 own. To re-tread my original statment, every out-and-back "steel" coaster = with a lift hill=20 of over 200 ft would be a better ride if it had "wooden" track (quotes indi= cate use of=20 borrowed terms). Why make it out of "steel" and not "wood"? Cost. >=20 > > Still is there a "good hypercoaster" and if so which one is it? The hav= e all seemed the > > same to me. >=20 > Funny, the enthusiast population in general seems to prefer > hypercoasters over other types of steel coasters. Six of the top ten > steel coasters are hypercoasters. Superman: Ride of Steel at SFNE is > generally considered one of (if not the) greatest steel coasters ever > built. See http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm for more. >=20 > -Nate > See previous comments about "popular." From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 19 21:57:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54703 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 04:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 04:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 04:57:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29426 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 04:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 Sep 2008 04:57:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9156BF57-3A09-48EC-85B7-691AE3BE7290@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:57:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Ctqj_ZAzHpe87Q7btU-9tTJMPGei47QUE4IUzueIkMBdM2fo X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > The only virtue in it is that it will contrast the rest of the park. Isn't that the very definition of standing out?! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** And now: * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A Walk In The Black Forest! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 19 21:59:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3737 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 04:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 04:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 04:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237386C2E4A for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:56:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.48d2823f.5132b for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:56:31 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI1IJ/CUFs6QIAAAAB,5f851e83a05dffa55cdb53ea0ef9917e Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=J5A1ZI6zQ5ZbYXuafocafcz4MonNdTd049LqoI4Wd3erxz4LZOYKHCFvcw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jon Osborn" Except a Diamondback is an out and back "copy" of Magnum and Wildthing. << You must be thinking of some other ride. Diamondback is nothing like Magnum or Wildthing in the layout department. I was thinking that it looked more like Nitro to me. >>It will be a little different but it won't "stand out." The only virtue >>in it is that it will contrast the rest of the park. Why wouldn't it stand out? For starters, not only will it be the biggest coaster in the park, but it will also be the only B&M in the park, so from a design standpoint it will look different than any other ride in the park. >>The cars on older coaster have a limitation of the corners and/or the >>banking that they can take. I didn't read it all, but I believe your thinking about wooden coaster trains and not steel. Steel coasters have no problems with corners. >>Out and back coasters are popular. Fords are more "popular" then Lincolns >>are you going to tell me the Fords are "better." More cost effective, maybe. "Popular" is usually code for "other people are a dumb as I am so its okay." Comparing coaster layout designs to auto maker comparisons is not a valid argument in the slightest. Plus obviously your concept of avoiding what is "popular" is a non-confirmist additude, taking the opposite point of view simply based on an item's popularity with everyone else and not on it's worth or merit. >> Except that a hypercoaster is probably the most expensive ride you could >> choose to buy. >Not over the life of the coaster. You yourself just got done saying that >Kings Island had trouble maintaining the wooden coasters it has. That means they are more expensive to own. That would depend upon the life of the coaster in the park... An old sea-side wooden coaster that was built 75 years ago for about $10,000 obviously is going to have taken a lot of upkeep over the years simply because wood will always wear down and need to be replaced over time. Obviously even the task of retracking it every few years alone in today's currency will cost more than the origional cost of the ride. A brand new wooden coaster can be built today for as low as $4-6 million I believe... which is cheap compared to paying $20 million for a new B&M steel coaster. So short term... Wood is the cheap solution... long term... the cost of upkeep on a wooden coaster, in parts and labor, will eventually exceed that of a steel coaster over the same period of time, provided that both rides stay up and running for a long enough period of time. >>To re-tread my original statment, every out-and-back "steel" coaster with >>a lift hill of over 200 ft would be a better ride if it had "wooden" track (quotes indicate use of borrowed terms). Why make it out of "steel" and not "wood"? Cost. Using Son of Beast as a good example here... wooden coasters perform well up to a certain height. When parks started to break that height limit in the effort to go Bigger & Faster... thats when numerous problems came up. The bigger your wooden coaster is... the more it is going to shake itself apart and the faster it will self-dectruct. As I said.. Son of Beast is the perfect example of a wooden coaster that was too big and has suffered numerous flaws and and issues, even before it was finished. As I recall, they had a large section of the ride collapse while under construction. >> Funny, the enthusiast population in general seems to prefer >> hypercoasters over other types of steel coasters. >See previous comments about "popular." And see my previous comment about the deliberate non-conformists additude. Not that not conforming to every popular believe is a bad thing... people should think for themselves after all, but doing so in a rude way is going to quickly give you the reputation of being a "troll". From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Sep 19 22:28:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47076 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 05:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 05:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 05:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 05:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 05:28:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:28:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=DSNvZZLiJ7w0u2zEQWSBs7TfdDbQGdIEi_VE_rzqI_M X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > I really don't understand comments like this. While I don't love all > the meandering around on the island that MF does, I've personally > experienced quite a bit of air on that ride, so I know it's there. > The first drop is certainly more exciting than that ramp on the other > side of the peninsula. And as for which ride is superior, well, MF is > preferred over Magnum 4:1 (source: > http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm). >=20 > -Nate > Failing to stop myself. Nate is not worthy. I am a better person then thi= s. No I'm not: You have been warned. Continue reading at your own risk. It is my belief that the only thing Cedar Point (Cedar Fair) cared about wh= en they bought Millennium Force is that Cedar Point have the first coaster = over 300 ft tall. That is exactly=20 what the ride is a 300 ft hill with a slowdown run. (Just like the TTD is = a 400 ft tall coaster=20 hill with a slowdown run.) What would drive Cedar Point to build such a thi= ng?=20=20 (drumroll) Marketing! This is another reason why marketing is bad. Millennium Force should have = been SO=20 much more. There may in the future be more 300 ft tall coasters and they = will hopefully=20 have (oh, what do you call them...) elements after the hill. When that hap= pens many of=20 "you" may start to see what I have come to realize. What Millennium Force really is came me after the Miracle Ride.=20 (http://www.miracleride.net/) I was on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway doin= g 80 mph in=20 third gear shifting into fourth on my way past anything the MF would ever b= e able to do in=20 the way of speed. On the low banked turns of the IMS I was able to experie= nce so much=20 bigger g's then the MF ever gives. The next time I rode the MF is when it = hit me.=20=20 The Millennium Force is the biggest kiddie coaster in the world. It lets you go faster then you mommy will let you drive the car, and you ar= e in the open=20 air. If you have never done that any other way you will be thrilled. It d= oes nothing else=20 better then another coaster in the world does. All buildup no payoff. Ride it once to say you did it. Then head for Raptor or Magnum or that goo= d "wooden"=20 coaster, no wait, Cedar Point doesn't have a good "wooden" coaster. I would really like to know which was started first Millennium Force or Ste= el Dragon. Did=20 Cedar Point know Steel Dragon was coming and order MF in a hurry? Did they= rush it to=20 completion? Was the original name of the coaster the "Marketing Force?" Th= ere has to be=20 a story there. I will try to burn this soap box but people seem to keep leaving them aroun= d. Oh yea I know I am repeating myself. "Popular" is code for "Other are a 'a= verage' as I am=20 so its okay." ;-) From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Sep 19 22:33:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82906 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 05:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 05:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 05:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 05:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 05:33:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:33:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9156BF57-3A09-48EC-85B7-691AE3BE7290@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=FCxSLbxcYSKcKUO7ySMHa5ix0L-sVmmCT-bg3cQ9hy8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > > The only virtue in it is that it will contrast the rest of the park. >=20 > Isn't that the very definition of standing out?! :) >=20 > Cameron. Okay well sort of. When I think of "stand out" I think of The Beast, the S= on of Beast, Tasu (sp)=20 or maybe Kumba, Like them or hate them you will find very few things like t= hem at least in=20 the Americas. Diamondback will "stand out" against the park it is in by bei= ng a "just like"=20 coasters at other parks. That doesn't seem like good move. 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--YCalReminder=DB1QaOORYxYFZ4c924KhtdCD1221889827-1-- From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 20 07:02:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18183 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 14:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 14:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 14:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kh32E-0004B6-8r for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:02:06 -0400 Message-ID: <48D5025E.2040902@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:02:06 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb74422506de2ad5db0a4ca115256f6a36331cd3c0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=2dcxbJdDhbe8Dv0N9K_y5rLpIFxtG6Lti1qXawcA3MGNYL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Osborn wrote: > Except a Diamondback is an out and back "copy" of Magnum and Wildthing. > It will be a > little different but it won't "stand out." The only virtue in it is that > it will contrast the rest > of the park. I'd have to quite disagree with this. Maybe it's because you're limiting your thinking to "it goes up and down" but I see quite a lot of variation between Diamondback and the other coasters you mention. > > > Out and back coasters exist because of limitations of early cars to > make corners. > > > > That's not true, and it borders in silly. > > The cars on older coaster have a limitation of the corners and/or the > banking that they can > take. (http://capital2.capital.edu/admin-staff/dalthoff/coastercar.html > ) as > such the > traditional out and back design exists to optimize the motion the cars > were good at. To > call this "untrue" is an insult. Sorry, you're not looking at the big picture on that. There have been articulated trains since the early days of coasters, and the modern Millennium Flyer hearken back to many of those old ones. They weren't the first trains out there, but they were running as early at the 1920's, and had no problems taking corners. Go back and take at look at such classics as the Crystal Beach Cyclone and you'll see what I means- the trains could take corners that the passengers couldn't. You may be insulted, but facts and history hold true, and sorry but you're off base here. > > > > > To my coaster taste "hypercoaster" is code for cheap, simple ride, > or "I would be a > > > better ride if I had wooden flat track." Others have already addressed this, but I just want to say that this statement shows a complete ignorance and lack of understanding of the differences between the two types of coasters and how they work and operate. A steel coaster allows a train to do things at heights and speeds that a wood coaster is not able to do without ripping itself apart, or without horrible vibrations and shaking on the riders. > > > Still is there a "good hypercoaster" and if so which one is it? The > have all seemed the > > > same to me. And how many and which ones have you been on? All the same seems to indicate to me that you've only been on a couple (e.g. Magnum and Steel Force) and haven't experienced the wide variety of others out there (Raging Bull, Apollo's Chariot, Goliath, etc.) that give very different ride experiences. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 20 07:13:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45585 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 14:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 14:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 14:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kh3D8-00022Z-Jh for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:13:22 -0400 Message-ID: <48D50503.7050300@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:13:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb74422506c0f0e2c98ad586928063b90bb831bfdb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=9AKJsrwxr0X7EEyc4nh2KeB-pdGWZ4bIW2n_XV--xBa__cM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Osborn wrote: > Failing to stop myself. Nate is not worthy. I am a better person then > this. No I'm not: > > You have been warned. Continue reading at your own risk. Insults do nothing but make you look stupid, rude, and knowledgeable. They will all make your life on the list short. You have been warned. Continue posting them at your own risk. ;) > This is another reason why marketing is bad. Millennium Force should > have been SO > much more. WHATTTT????? It should have been more? More than what? At the time it opened it was the tallest coaster in the world. It's certainly on the longer length end as well, and was a huge cost. I can't imagine what you think would make it more that could even be reasonable to add in cost wise. It cost $25 million to build at the time (2000) which is a huge amount for anyone but Disney. And it's been a huge marketing bonanza for the park. It's been on more coaster specials, tv shows, and received national attention. Down here in Florida having worked at Busch and working now at Disney I have people ask me about it all the time! You can't get better marketing than that. There may in the future be more 300 ft tall coasters and they > will hopefully > have (oh, what do you call them...) elements after the hill. When that > happens many of > "you" may start to see what I have come to realize. Good luck. Cost is going to pretty much eliminate almost any chance of that happening. They simply cost to much for any but the most money rich parks to put one in. Six Flags isn't going to do it with their near bankrupt status (not to mention any park that could use it pretty much already has a hyper, so it's be redundant), Cedar Fair is in the same boat financially, and Disney has no interest or reason to build one since they are after families. You're not going to find someone putting out $40-50 million today for a coaster (think inflation and high steel prices) just to compare it with MF. > The Millennium Force is the biggest kiddie coaster in the world. LOL! Ok, so this came to you because you got to experience something that 99% of the population will never have a chance to consider? Umm, yeah. Sorry, comparing speeding around IRP to MF is comparing apples to cars. > Ride it once to say you did it. Then head for Raptor or Magnum or that > good "wooden" > coaster, no wait, Cedar Point doesn't have a good "wooden" coaster. Some of us happen to think that Blue Streak fits very well as a good wooden coaster. Especially those of us who can keep straight what a wood coaster is. :P (I'm ribbing with you there- laugh) > > I would really like to know which was started first Millennium Force or > Steel Dragon. Did > Cedar Point know Steel Dragon was coming and order MF in a hurry? Did > they rush it to > completion? Was the original name of the coaster the "Marketing Force?" > There has to be > a story there. Or not, since the same could be said and applied to Goliath out in CA, which opened up 2 months before MF. Sorry, no story, just all coincidental builds. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 07:34:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44678 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 14:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 14:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 14:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 14:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 14:34:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:34:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: TR: Thoughts on Cedar Point (Mini-TR) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=siPInbjV6UG1M3gRyGOZ8jtwLihPIp7EhEkQaarCY9WIMfY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Since Cedar Point seems to taking most of the abuse of the past several days, I'll weigh in. I went to CP this past July -- The first time on over 10 years (I live in the South West, and don't get East very often). First, I was there for (most of) 1 day, and I only got to ride on 10 out of 17 coasters :( We ran out of time. Cedar Creek Mine Ride, Corkscrew, Gemini, Iron Dragon, Magnum XL-200, Mantis, Maverick, Mean Streak, Millennium Force & Wildcat. My Opinions: Cedar Creek Mine Ride - I like Mine Rides in general - it's no Big Thunder Mountain (otherwise known as they could easily "up" the themeing). Corkscrew - Looks great on the midway. Could be worse. It wasn't painful, but it wasn't fun either. Gemini - Fun; looks great. Iron Dragon - I've learned the rear is where you get the "best" ride for this type of coaster. This one has 2 distinct personalities. The first half is slow, the second half is fast. (I prefer SFMM's Ninja.) Magnum XL-200 - Great view. That's about all the "nice" I can say about this ride. Ouch! I had forgotten how much the ramp-arc-ramp-arc method of coaster building can hurt. Mantis - A stand-up coaster. All show with no real fun in mind. Talk about a head-banger. Maverick - The new kid on the block! Fast, furious, curvy! I would enjoy this ride more if they would remove the OSR's. They kept hitting me in the neck. Mean Streak - Ouch! WHAT THE #$%@ WAS I THINKING? Ouch! The next time I go to CP, I'm bringing a lighter, so I can burn that POS down! Ouch! I like wooden coasters, but I'm not into S&M. Ouch! Millennium Force - I love this ride. Smooth, Fast, great views! I rode this in the back seat, and it was a blast -- maybe I should say "it was fun". Because it was fun! Not terrorizing, abusive, or force inducing -- like many rides -- just plain fun! (Bring the whole family.) Wildcat -- Hold onto your hats -- This was probably my favorite ride in the park. Yes, I know it's just a "fair ride", but it's way fun; surprisingly smooth, good drops, etc. I was in line twice for Dragster. This first time was early in the day, and it had broken down. Since my coaster buddy hadn't been to CP before, I thought it to be more important to cover as much ground as possible. The second time we were in line for about a 1/2 hour, and our bus was going to be leaving soon. So, we had to abandon it. I wanted to hit Blue Streak on the way out of the Park, but we just ran out of time. :( ttfn...Alan From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Sep 20 07:41:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20806 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 14:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 14:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-189.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 14:41:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6231 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 13:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 13:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kh3eg-0006y2-TT for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:41:51 -0600 Message-Id: <827B0C00-9020-48F8-9D47-4BEB61ADC921@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48D5025E.2040902@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:42:31 -0400 References: <48D5025E.2040902@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=V5VASZAB4VU0Fk0WosZ1a60BLo1KnDgYQ9jFFwdBqq6g70cLumQo X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>>> Still is there a "good hypercoaster" and if so which one is it? The >> have all seemed the >>>> same to me. > > And how many and which ones have you been on? All the same seems to > indicate to me that you've only been on a couple (e.g. Magnum and > Steel > Force) and haven't experienced the wide variety of others out there > (Raging Bull, Apollo's Chariot, Goliath, etc.) that give very > different > ride experiences. Well said. Nitro is one of my favorites, if not my favorite (and I haven't even been on the SFNE S:ROS yet). Actually, when I first saw someone post the press release here, I misread it and thought it was for Kings Dominion, which is slightly closer to me than Kings Island, so I was thinking of taking a trip there next year. Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Sep 20 08:04:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41269 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 15:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 15:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 15:04:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11899 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 15:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 Sep 2008 15:04:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <645738C6-FEFA-415B-AC4F-AFD8DFB40EB7@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:04:00 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=VFG5721rvOT1JLVjlHikWNJ4eF_7LBh4oZZrUHYaIo74_-KU X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > what the ride is a 300 ft hill with a slowdown run. (Just like the > TTD is a 400 ft tall coaster > hill with a slowdown run.) What would drive Cedar Point to build > such a thing? > > (drumroll) > > Marketing! Oh come on, you can't be this naive! The whole western world is driven by marketing. Every single product, on every single shelf, in every single store is driven by marketing. Every ride (coaster, flats, water rides it doesn't matter) is driven by marketing. I agree that Millennium Force could have been so much more, but it is what it is. It wasn't built to please me, it was built to draw attention to the park .. and it does that exceptionally well. It (along with Dragster) are rides which I consider to be low points in current amusement park history, however they've been huge success stories for Cedar Fair. Cedar Fair is my least favorite park chain, and Cedar Point probably my least favorite park .. but it's not because the company "resorts to" marketing - every park does, even the smallest ones. "Blaming" marketing is just pointless and childish. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Doing the things * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A particle can. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 20 10:25:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90758 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 17:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 17:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 17:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 17:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 17:25:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:25:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48D5025E.2040902@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=ykVeLb3zI3X1AUEX4QypNZp3_ADutaolZYH2JX9XJIo X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Jon Osborn wrote: >=20 > > Except a Diamondback is an out and back "copy" of Magnum and Wildthing.= =20 > > It will be a > > little different but it won't "stand out." The only virtue in it is tha= t=20 > > it will contrast the rest > > of the park. >=20 > I'd have to quite disagree with this. Maybe it's because you're=20 > limiting your thinking to "it goes up and down" but I see quite a lot of= =20 > variation between Diamondback and the other coasters you mention. >=20 I am limiting my thinking to "it goes up and down" because right now those = are the only=20 elements I see in the ride that really trying to do. I have gone back an r= eviewed the online=20 stuff instead of just trying to remember the layout from the model at the f= ront of the park.=20=20=20=20 It does have more lateral elements then Magnum or Wildthing. It still main= ly goes up and=20 down. No helix, no left to right reverses. Even the promotional material = says "ten air time=20 hills." It really only tries to go up and down.=20 So Wildthing is vanilla ice cream. Magnum is french vanilla ice cream, Dia= mondback will=20 be vanilla ice cream with chocolate sprinkles. I am blown away by the cont= rast.=20 > > > > Out and back coasters exist because of limitations of early cars t= o=20 > > make corners. > > > > > > That's not true, and it borders in silly.=20 > >=20 > > The cars on older coaster have a limitation of the corners and/or the=20 > > banking that they can > > take. (http://capital2.capital.edu/admin-staff/dalthoff/coastercar.html= =20 > > ) as= =20 > > such the > > traditional out and back design exists to optimize the motion the cars= =20 > > were good at. To > > call this "untrue" is an insult. >=20 > Sorry, you're not looking at the big picture on that. There have been=20 > articulated trains since the early days of coasters, and the modern=20 > Millennium Flyer hearken back to many of those old ones. They weren't=20 > the first trains out there, but they were running as early at the=20 > 1920's, and had no problems taking corners. Go back and take at look at= =20 > such classics as the Crystal Beach Cyclone and you'll see what I means-=20 > the trains could take corners that the passengers couldn't. Are you saying that the out and back coaster 'type" was not done to work wi= th trains that=20 couldn't take corners well? Are you saying that out and back coaster were = not (are not)=20 cheaper to build? If in your mind I implied that ALL coasters before the b= obsled/mine ride=20 were out and back coasters that couldn't corner then, yes that statement wa= s wrong. The=20 thrust of my comment is that out and back coasters were built to use a type= of car that=20 was less sophisticated and cheaper.=20=20=20 >=20 > You may be insulted, but facts and history hold true, and sorry but=20 > you're off base here. >=20 My original point is that in particular with out and back rides like Wildth= ing and Magnum=20 they have some of the worlds most modern car technology used to do what the= simplest=20 roller coasters cars did. It is like trying to have a classical spanish g= uitar solo played on a=20 electric guitar, or using a ratchet as a hammer.=20=20 >=20 > > > > > > > To my coaster taste "hypercoaster" is code for cheap, simple ride,= =20 > > or "I would be a > > > > better ride if I had wooden flat track." >=20 > Others have already addressed this, but I just want to say that this=20 > statement shows a complete ignorance and lack of understanding of the=20 > differences between the two types of coasters and how they work and=20 > operate. A steel coaster allows a train to do things at heights and=20 > speeds that a wood coaster is not able to do without ripping itself=20 > apart, or without horrible vibrations and shaking on the riders. >=20 I think your point the way you are presenting it is incorrect. Son of Beast is as tall as Magnum, etc. It had problems originally. I have= ridden it several=20 times since "the rebuild" and it is as smooth a ride or smother then Vortex= on a given day.=20 It has mood swings, don't get me wrong, and I think humidity is a factor in= its attitude. It=20 is not the most violent coaster I have ridden. The worst abuse I have ever= gotten on a=20 coaster was on a launched steel tube ride. The point that I would except it that it is WAY more expensive to make a "w= ooden" coaster=20 that is "smooth" enough for 70+ mph speeds.=20=20=20 So I don't think the problem is ignorance (now who has the insult), I thin= k it is too high on expectations on my part. Parks don't want "high art" c= oasters they want "high market" or=20 "high return on investment" coasters.=20=20 As far as standing out can you honestly tell me that, given the same track = layout, that an=20 "El Toro like" prefab wooden track (even if it was on steel structure) woul= dn't "stand out"=20 more then what they are going to get? Which would you find more interestin= g? >=20 > > > > Still is there a "good hypercoaster" and if so which one is it? Th= e=20 > > have all seemed the > > > > same to me. >=20 > And how many and which ones have you been on? All the same seems to=20 > indicate to me that you've only been on a couple (e.g. Magnum and Steel=20 > Force) and haven't experienced the wide variety of others out there=20 > (Raging Bull, Apollo's Chariot, Goliath, etc.) that give very different=20 > ride experiences. >=20 At the time I posed the "good hypercoaster" my understanding of the definit= ion was that it=20 was strictly an "out and back" (airtime) coaster. Raging bull and Goliath = (depending "which=20 one") were not on the list. When Josh listed two or three coaster that wou= ldn't have been=20 on my list of "hypercoasters" on his list of "good hypercoasters" I stopped= and ask what=20 was up. My original comment was confined to "Out and back, steel tube, coa= sters about=20 200 ft tall." It appears that "hypercoaster" depending on who you ask is any coaster over= 200 ft that is=20 not: a shuttle, the Son of Beast, inverted, has inversions, or suspended ( = I am piling on=20 with that one). It is the "not a" coaster coaster type. > keep on ridin' > George > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Sep 20 11:16:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19529 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 18:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 18:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-191.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 18:16:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17524 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2008 17:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 17:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kh70i-0003yu-3A for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:16:48 -0600 Message-Id: <47A08B7A-8511-4018-94A1-8451C14113FA@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:16:47 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=N0gYJz4g-bGUnJtANH7GjJ7pBq2gxh98FGtwEfdRHRzwS4ihjVGD X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> Except a Diamondback is an out and back "copy" of Magnum and >>> Wildthing. >>> It will be a >>> little different but it won't "stand out." The only virtue in it >>> is that >>> it will contrast the rest >>> of the park. >> >> I'd have to quite disagree with this. Maybe it's because you're >> limiting your thinking to "it goes up and down" but I see quite a >> lot of >> variation between Diamondback and the other coasters you mention. >> > I am limiting my thinking to "it goes up and down" because right now > those are the only > elements I see in the ride that really trying to do. I have gone > back an reviewed the online > stuff instead of just trying to remember the layout from the model > at the front of the park. > It does have more lateral elements then Magnum or Wildthing. It > still mainly goes up and > down. No helix, no left to right reverses. Even the promotional > material says "ten air time > hills." It really only tries to go up and down. > > So Wildthing is vanilla ice cream. Magnum is french vanilla ice > cream, Diamondback will > be vanilla ice cream with chocolate sprinkles. I am blown away by > the contrast. Look at all the Cyclone clones. They have basically the same layout, but some are good, and others are piles of crap. Admittedly, there is more variation with wood coasters than steel coasters. But the point is, just because things look similar doesn't mean they ride the same. For example, I'd take Nitro any day over Apollo's Chariot, even though they "look similar". And thats comparing rides by the same designer. There are basically no similarities between B&M coasters and Arrow or DH Morgan coasters. Even B&M coasters and Intamin coasters are completely different rides, and most of them are designed by the same person (Werner Stengel). >>>>> Out and back coasters exist because of limitations of early cars >>>>> to >>> make corners. >>>> >>>> That's not true, and it borders in silly. >>> >>> The cars on older coaster have a limitation of the corners and/or >>> the >>> banking that they can >>> take. (http://capital2.capital.edu/admin-staff/dalthoff/coastercar.html >>> >> coastercar.html>) as >>> such the >>> traditional out and back design exists to optimize the motion the >>> cars >>> were good at. To >>> call this "untrue" is an insult. >> >> Sorry, you're not looking at the big picture on that. There have >> been >> articulated trains since the early days of coasters, and the modern >> Millennium Flyer hearken back to many of those old ones. They >> weren't >> the first trains out there, but they were running as early at the >> 1920's, and had no problems taking corners. Go back and take at >> look at >> such classics as the Crystal Beach Cyclone and you'll see what I >> means- >> the trains could take corners that the passengers couldn't. > > Are you saying that the out and back coaster 'type" was not done to > work with trains that > couldn't take corners well? Are you saying that out and back > coaster were not (are not) > cheaper to build? If in your mind I implied that ALL coasters > before the bobsled/mine ride > were out and back coasters that couldn't corner then, yes that > statement was wrong. The > thrust of my comment is that out and back coasters were built to use > a type of car that > was less sophisticated and cheaper. Like George and everyone else has said, out and back coaster trains are not cheaper than any other coaster train. The undercarraige of a wood coaster is really simple: the main wheels, side wheels, and upstop plates. If a wood coaster train could take the turn on an out and back coaster, it can take just about any other turn you can throw at it. If you're talking about the switchback coasters, then you may have an argument, because those trains were not able to take turns at all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Thompsons_Switchback_Railway_1884.jpg But these trains were not used on out and back coasters. Out and back coasters are either built because of the available land the park has to work with or because they want more hills and and less turns... the cost of the train is not a factor. Mike From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 20 11:51:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17588 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 18:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 18:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 18:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 18:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 18:50:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:50:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48D50503.7050300@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=ycler3Co5vkHJvF81_A6G2obf9zsCLp_0-lxQv9ok1s X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: >=20 > > This is another reason why marketing is bad. Millennium Force should=20 > > have been SO > > much more. >=20 > WHATTTT????? It should have been more? More than what? At the time it= =20 > opened it was the tallest coaster in the world. It's certainly on the=20 > longer length end as well, and was a huge cost. I can't imagine what=20 > you think would make it more that could even be reasonable to add in=20 > cost wise. It cost $25 million to build at the time (2000) which is a=20 > huge amount for anyone but Disney. > If am getting launched at 300 ft is it so much to have 200 ft vertical elem= ent as a follow=20 on? This ride is fast with no purpose. > And it's been a huge marketing bonanza for the park. It's been on more=20 > coaster specials, tv shows, and received national attention. Down here=20 > in Florida having worked at Busch and working now at Disney I have=20 > people ask me about it all the time! You can't get better marketing=20 > than that. You made my point for me. It was designed for marketing value not riding v= alue. Good=20 business poor art. >=20 > There may in the future be more 300 ft tall coasters and they > > will hopefully > > have (oh, what do you call them...) elements after the hill. When that= =20 > > happens many of > > "you" may start to see what I have come to realize. >=20 > Good luck. Cost is going to pretty much eliminate almost any chance of=20 > that happening. They simply cost to much for any but the most money=20 > rich parks to put one in. Six Flags isn't going to do it with their=20 > near bankrupt status (not to mention any park that could use it pretty=20 > much already has a hyper, so it's be redundant), Cedar Fair is in the=20 > same boat financially, and Disney has no interest or reason to build one= =20 > since they are after families. You're not going to find someone putting= =20 > out $40-50 million today for a coaster (think inflation and high steel=20 > prices) just to compare it with MF. >=20 I did say "may" be. Is there any doubt in your mind that the next 300 ft+ = lift hill coaster=20 will be better then MF? >=20 > > The Millennium Force is the biggest kiddie coaster in the world. >=20 > LOL! Ok, so this came to you because you got to experience something=20 > that 99% of the population will never have a chance to consider? Umm,=20 > yeah. Sorry, comparing speeding around IRP to MF is comparing apples to= =20 > cars. (FYI: IRP is now O'Riley Raceway Park and neither is the Indianapolis Motor= Speedway.) 1. Anyone who is a legal driver can do the Miracle Ride. You might have to= use a trike or a=20 side car. You are welcome. If 99% of the people haven't done it is becaus= e they chose not=20 to do it. Not because they can't. I imagine less then 99% "of people" hav= e ridden MF=20 either. 2. It would be perhaps admitting to a crime so I am not saying I did it, bu= t I think you will=20 find that accelerations and speeds comparable to the MF are possible on pub= lic roads.=20=20 One wouldn't have to be at a race track. One could be in Germany. 3. Since you are making this about economics. There is no line to ride my = motorcycle(s)=20 and it cost less (much less) per trip then going to Cedar Point. Hence it = is valid to say: A)=20 The ride out of Sandusky will be more interesting then MF so I waisted my t= ime waiting in=20 line. B) The bike is a more economic "thrill." 4. I have not found a way to do the helix of the Beast on my bike. I have = not fund a way to=20=20 produce the side to side motion of suspended coaster on my bike. I have no= t found a=20 loop-the-loop or any other inversions like Kumba on my bike. I don't own a= "sports bike"=20 (crotch rocket) so I can't fly like Superman Ultimate Flight. Etc. Automa= tically from my=20 point of view that any ride that doesn't exceed my motorcycles performance = is not one I=20 should wait in line for, because there are SO many that do, and have more t= hen one=20 element that does. 5. What is a coaster but an acceleration machine? If it can't be compared = to other=20 acceleration machines then what is the point? If it is about economics the= n MF looses to=20 my bike. If it is about "art" and the elements of the coaster MF looses to= other coasters,=20 that have better elements because not all the money was spent on the launch= hill. >=20 > > Ride it once to say you did it. Then head for Raptor or Magnum or that= =20 > > good "wooden" > > coaster, no wait, Cedar Point doesn't have a good "wooden" coaster. >=20 > Some of us happen to think that Blue Streak fits very well as a good=20 > wooden coaster. Especially those of us who can keep straight what a=20 > wood coaster is. :P (I'm ribbing with you there- laugh) >=20 LOL your right I was wrong there. Blue Streak is my least favorite John All= en coaster but=20 John Allen's worst work is still better then any steel out and back coaster= (ribbing back). > >=20 > > I would really like to know which was started first Millennium Force or= =20 > > Steel Dragon. Did > > Cedar Point know Steel Dragon was coming and order MF in a hurry? Did=20 > > they rush it to > > completion? Was the original name of the coaster the "Marketing Force?"= =20 > > There has to be > > a story there. >=20 > Or not, since the same could be said and applied to Goliath out in CA,=20 > which opened up 2 months before MF. Sorry, no story, just all=20 > coincidental builds. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > But no body has built one since which leads me to believe that they really = aren't that cost=20 effective. jjloj From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 20 12:22:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50187 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 19:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 19:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 19:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 19:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 19:22:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:22:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47A08B7A-8511-4018-94A1-8451C14113FA@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=1BMu7NJ09mfdibGLi4RvR6BaZEELvLcyZ89ujzZ9sYE X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone = wrote: > > >>> Except a Diamondback is an out and back "copy" of Magnum and=20=20 > > So Wildthing is vanilla ice cream. Magnum is french vanilla ice=20=20 > > cream, Diamondback will > > be vanilla ice cream with chocolate sprinkles. I am blown away by=20=20 > > the contrast. > Look at all the Cyclone clones. They have basically the same layout, = =20 > but some are good, and others are piles of crap. Admittedly, there is = =20 > more variation with wood coasters than steel coasters. But the point = =20 > is, just because things look similar doesn't mean they ride the same. You already reduced your point with the "variations" comment. I want to go= one step=20 further.=20 How many parks have an out and back. Can you think of a park that doesn't? How many of the parks that have an out and back have two? One a "hypercoas= ter" one=20 "woodie"? Now how many parks have Cyclone clones? I don't know that they are all lis= ted on the=20 internet but I an guessing less then twenty. I bet there are twenty (or mo= re) parks with two=20 out and backs. Looking in the midwest the only park I can think of with out an out and bac= k is Six Flags=20 Kentucky Kingdom. The only one with a Cyclone clone is Six Flags Great Ame= rica. I don't=20 think the Cyclone is as "over done." What you saying is that people make lots of chocolate ice cream too. Sure = they do. How=20 about Rocky Road or Neopoltian?=20=20 I like out and back coasters, but they are everywhere. Adding one will not= make a park=20 "stand out." >=20 > For example, I'd take Nitro any day over Apollo's Chariot, even though = =20 > they "look similar". And thats comparing rides by the same designer. = =20 > There are basically no similarities between B&M coasters and Arrow or = =20 > DH Morgan coasters. Even B&M coasters and Intamin coasters are=20=20 > completely different rides, and most of them are designed by the same = =20 > person (Werner Stengel). >=20 >=20 Nitro has a helix and AC doesn't. Right there, big difference. And the on= e that isn't just=20 an air time coaster is the one you like better.=20=20 Coasters that are "air time" only coaster are less interesting then coaster= s that have other=20 elements.=20=20 > Like George and everyone else has said, out and back coaster trains=20=20 > are not cheaper than any other coaster train. The undercarraige of a = =20 > wood coaster is really simple: the main wheels, side wheels, and=20=20 > upstop plates. If a wood coaster train could take the turn on an out = =20 > and back coaster, it can take just about any other turn you can throw = =20 > at it. I don't agree with that statement at all. Have already sited a website that= discusses the=20 differences between the types of cars. If you think a fixed set of wheels = can bank as hard=20 as the wheels on a "bobsled" or trailered car it is not my job to change yo= ur mind. I won't=20 call you wrong or ignorant either. My research just says otherwise. >=20 > If you're talking about the switchback coasters, then you may have an = =20 > argument, because those trains were not able to take turns at all: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Thompsons_Switchback_Railway_1884.jpg > But these trains were not used on out and back coasters. >=20 > Out and back coasters are either built because of the available land=20=20 > the park has to work with or because they want more hills and and less = =20 > turns... the cost of the train is not a factor. >=20 That is probably the modern reason for it. I do think the availablity of s= uspension=20 elements had much to do with the development of the out and back type. Whe= n that=20 "stopped" is an open question but I think what the cars could do had a lot = to do with how=20 the tracks were designed.=20=20 From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 20 12:25:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46747 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 19:25:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:25:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <844514.90574.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: News: Sort of? Coaster iPhone App X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=fctFkiGF_9yy7q-vqh5sBXpcyf2gmUWY-YtNShMH_OY X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > > Does anyone know if the iPhone accelerometer can be switched from the = 2g setting=20 to the 8g setting in software? < >=20 > Do you mean the accelerometer or the GPS chip? >=20 > The accelerometer is actually remarkably sensitive, and that can be tweak= ed=20 considerably in the software. I was speaking of the accelerometer. My understanding is that the it has a= sensitive=20 setting that only lets it measure up to two g's and coarse setting that let= s it measure up to=20 eight g's. >=20 > If you're talking about the GPS chip, things get a bit complicated. The = iPhone was=20 designed to use GPS in conjunction with WiFi and 3G triangulation for the m= ost accurate=20 reading. When on GPS alone, the reading not only takes quite a while (abou= t 20 seconds)=20 and sucks the iPhone's battery dry, but also can be off as much as 50 meter= s. If there's a=20 strong 3G signal and WiFi, the GPS can pinpoint your location to within a f= ew feet. >=20 > But remember -- the iPhone doesn't cost $17,000. > That is why if you can make it work I am interested! From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 20 13:17:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 20:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 20:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 20:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 20:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 20:17:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:17:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=AIONHQdaTac98hH69L00-jIkY-RtltnFyI4liNSi5ns X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > >>From: "Jon Osborn" > Except a Diamondback is an out and back "copy" of Magnum and Wildthing. = << >=20 >=20 > You must be thinking of some other ride. Diamondback is nothing like Magn= um=20 > or Wildthing in the layout department. > I was thinking that it looked more like Nitro to me. Nitro has a helix Diamondback will not. You must be thinking of some other= ride. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >>It will be a little different but it won't "stand out." The only virtu= e=20 > >>in it is that it will contrast the rest > of the park. >=20 >=20 > Why wouldn't it stand out? For starters, not only will it be the biggest= =20 > coaster in the park, but it will also be the only B&M in the park, so fro= m a=20 > design standpoint it will look different than any other ride in the park. Both the Beast and the Son of Beast are longer. Diamondback will be taller= and faster not=20 "bigger." It will have a short ride time too. I doubt it will last two mi= nutes. =20 > >>The cars on older coaster have a limitation of the corners and/or the=20 > >>banking that they can take. > I didn't read it all, but I believe your thinking about wooden coaster=20 > trains and not steel. Steel coasters have no problems with corners. The first out and back coasters were "wooden." They used trains that had l= ess "crude"=20 wheel configurations. See my other posts.=20 My point is why build a steel coster with no turns?=20=20=20 =20 =20 > >>Out and back coasters are popular. Fords are more "popular" then Linco= lns=20 > >>are you going > to tell me the Fords are "better." More cost effective, maybe. "Popular"= is=20 > usually code for > "other people are a dumb as I am so its okay." >=20 > Comparing coaster layout designs to auto maker comparisons is not a valid= =20 > argument in the slightest. > Plus obviously your concept of avoiding what is "popular" is a=20 > non-confirmist additude, taking the opposite point of view simply based o= n=20 > an item's popularity with everyone else and not on it's worth or merit. >=20 I don't avoid what is popular. I ride lots of out and back coasters. I ju= st do not to assign=20 any merit to it being popular. If I like the ride, I like the ride. If ot= her people like the ride=20 and I don't, I let them wait in line for the ride and I go ride something g= ood. Arguing that=20 something is good because it is popular is arguing that average is better t= hen above=20 average. >=20 >=20 > >> Except that a hypercoaster is probably the most expensive ride you cou= ld=20 > >> choose to buy. > >Not over the life of the coaster. You yourself just got done saying tha= t=20 > >Kings Island had > trouble maintaining the wooden coasters it has. That means they are more= =20 > expensive to > own. >=20 >=20 > That would depend upon the life of the coaster in the park... > An old sea-side wooden coaster that was built 75 years ago for about $10,= 000=20 > obviously is going to have taken a lot of upkeep over the years simply=20 > because wood will always wear down and need to be replaced over time.=20 > Obviously even the task of retracking it every few years alone in today's= =20 > currency will cost more than the origional cost of the ride. >=20 > A brand new wooden coaster can be built today for as low as $4-6 million = I=20 > believe... which is cheap compared to paying $20 million for a new B&M=20 > steel coaster. So short term... Wood is the cheap solution... long term..= .=20 > the cost of upkeep on a wooden coaster, in parts and labor, will eventual= ly=20 > exceed that of a steel coaster over the same period of time, provided tha= t=20 > both rides stay up and running for a long enough period of time. Okay I wasn't looking at it that close. You are however comparing a "low" = "wooden" price=20 to a steel. If you tried to build a "wooden" coaster with the same track l= ayout as=20 Diamondback, I suspect it would be more expensive. > >>To re-tread my original statment, every out-and-back "steel" coaster wi= th=20 > >>a lift hill > of over 200 ft would be a better ride if it had "wooden" track (quotes=20 > indicate use of > borrowed terms). Why make it out of "steel" and not "wood"? Cost. > >=20 > Using Son of Beast as a good example here... wooden coasters perform well= up=20 > to a certain height. It its current form the Son of Beast is a fine ride. It is not the best ri= de ever but I don't get=20 what you are saying. > When parks started to break that height limit in the effort to go Bigger = &=20 > Faster... thats when numerous problems came up. > The bigger your wooden coaster is... the more it is going to shake itself= =20 > apart and the faster it will self-dectruct. The Son of Beast has had problems, like the Steel Dragon. I really don't g= et your point.=20=20 One example does not make a trend. > As I said.. Son of Beast is the perfect example of a wooden coaster that = was=20 > too big and has suffered numerous flaws and > and issues, even before it was finished. As I recall, they had a large=20 > section of the ride collapse while under construction. So build the structure out of steel like the Voyage. Hire a better designe= r. Besides now=20 that they "fixed" it I think the Son of Beast is a solid ride. I can rip i= t like I can any ride,=20 but it works fine. It is smother then many other "woodies." Promises speed= and gives it.=20=20 Like I said I could rip it for not having much air time or something, but i= t is a workable=20 ride.=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > >> Funny, the enthusiast population in general seems to prefer > >> hypercoasters over other types of steel coasters. >=20 > >See previous comments about "popular." >=20 > And see my previous comment about the deliberate non-conformists additude= . > Not that not conforming to every popular believe is a bad thing... people= =20 > should think for themselves after all, Oh so you do realize history is made by non-conformist.=20=20 > but doing so in a rude way is going to quickly give you the reputation of= =20 > being a "troll". > A troll would be: "blank" is the best coaster ever and anyone who things di= fferently is=20 stupid.=20 A troll would be: all "steel" coasters suck. A troll would be: all "wooden" coaters are lame and old school. The opinions that: Steel out and backs seem like a waste of technology is not a troll. A closed circuit inverted coaster would be better addition to Kings Island = is not a troll. There are lots of out and back coasters in the world. Building another one= is not a "stand=20 out" thing to do, is not a troll. Now I am sure I have stepped on some toes around here with this topic becau= se=20 "hypercoaster" (used by another poster) was the wrong noun follow up with. = I have come=20 to learn that it means something different for just about everyone. I shou= ld have limited=20 my comments to out and back steel coasters. We live we learn. Rude is insulting the non-conformist that built the modern world only to ba= ck track in the=20 last paragraph of your post. It is also a troll. From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Sep 20 13:25:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16025 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 20:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 20:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 20:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 20:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2008 20:25:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:25:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <645738C6-FEFA-415B-AC4F-AFD8DFB40EB7@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=86jQOi9ZfAIUnJhX503oWIxJTdGofudwI6BoNWttins X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > > what the ride is a 300 ft hill with a slowdown run. (Just like the = =20 > > TTD is a 400 ft tall coaster > > hill with a slowdown run.) What would drive Cedar Point to build=20=20 > > such a thing? > > > > (drumroll) > > > > Marketing! >=20 > Oh come on, you can't be this naive!=20 Not naive, idealistic. I am telling myself there is a difference. >The whole western world is=20=20 > driven by marketing. Every single product, on every single shelf, in=20=20 > every single store is driven by marketing. Every ride (coaster,=20=20 > flats, water rides it doesn't matter) is driven by marketing. I agree = =20 > that Millennium Force could have been so much more, but it is what it = =20 > is. It wasn't built to please me, it was built to draw attention to=20=20 > the park .. and it does that exceptionally well. It (along with=20=20 > Dragster) are rides which I consider to be low points in current=20=20 > amusement park history, however they've been huge success stories for = =20 > Cedar Fair. >=20 You are right. I don't want it to be true. You are right. > Cedar Fair is my least favorite park chain, and Cedar Point probably=20=20 > my least favorite park .. but it's not because the company "resorts=20=20 > to" marketing - every park does, even the smallest ones. "Blaming"=20=20 > marketing is just pointless and childish. >=20 > Cameron. >=20 Okay you got me on the this. Can I recover a little merit in the discussion by saying that Cedar Fair ma= kes more=20 promises they don't deliver on then most? Is some marketing more evil then= others?=20=20 Secondly, one should just really ignore the marketing all together shouldn'= t they? Isn't one=20 of the problems you have with Cedar Fair is that they are all talk and no f= ollow through? From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 16:51:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83207 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 23:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 23:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 23:51:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19043 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2008 23:51:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9noVHYAVM1nIE7qWcDYxZB6cFfKtZ5dD25BZ2p473fY7dFzAXFV7Ff06XEvOClgXbrMAjL2Lp2UYmGU_.k94HmPnt45xJs2LPXxAF7yhp_7yYBEcp6rSIWSwiFdFcSxh5o.Zq.Ca9ju.u5hkTaOZl2pat1nSO_c- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:51:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:51:19 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221791350.1836.61013.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <411479.17809.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: TECH: SROS upgrades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EjSeBjrJhTQeVWPpu92TZdF9HLQAUwZljf9_ozrTbeKfzK2fukkP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Thanks for the link. Why does Six Flags have to screw around with the best coaster on the planet? Some of it seems benign: the effects in the tunnels, for instance. (That will probably take the place of the misters, which were cool but which rarely were turned on.) But an on-board sound system? That probably means headrests, which probably means a less comfortable ride and more obstruction. They win the Golden Ticket year after year. It's not like the ride was suffering from anonymity. I loved how SROS offered pure coaster exhilaration with no gimmicks. Leave it to Six Flags to shoot themselves in the foot again. Jay, who obviously doesn't have much faith in Six Flags' judgement From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 16:53:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51832 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2008 23:53:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2008 23:53:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2008 23:53:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23005 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2008 23:53:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CHZGCLEVM1kf_jahzyDCNTEMRmW2wMK4J_JmgCYLxT8VOz1YI3hGi.aCj_vYUFF1WIoExPucO7OFbgFE3j7KfPjRc824_iakpWEjnfk1N5OjE8TYzvArHUCDocjuJs40d7O4jIoPJXltpfv2oObkcgWMGVrZMVtrPKxfcTqFXmhl6ShBKkEk X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:53:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:53:09 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <144650.22993.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: TR: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VB1Wr4bfyloSP_xJ3ApPdemqBuimvj_EKa8q2C3HQMsCK40y_nGg X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Pictures are available for the curious: Jay --- On a beautiful brisk New England evening, Karen, Liz and I went to West Springfield's Eastern States Exposition, locally known as The Big E. In the past, Karen and I went during the day, but by late afternoon the heat had usually done us in. After one of the wettest summers we've ever had, the approach to this autumn had been clear and dry. The air was just beginning to bring the snap of the cool season ahead. It was perfect Big E weather. We parked for $5 at the West Springfield High School. The money collected benefits their music program. It was about a five block walk to the main gate. In the distance, the midway's big Ferris wheel was visible. The delightful smell of roasting peppers and onions filled the air. We were hungry and headed toward the state buildings first. Karen had her heart set on a lobster roll from the Maine building. We passed by row after row of various concessions, everything from popcorn and fried dough to perogis and cinammon buns. Next to the nearby music stage was the Big E's large Stinson Band Organ. We paused to listen to its merry sounds. Then we passed the small zoo area, where kids could take rides on a donkey, camel or an elephant. There was also the exposition's famous Firehouse restaurant, run by the West Springfield Fire Department. Interspersed with the food concessions were many small craft shops, often with whimsical names. One of them, Early America, featured intricate hand-made miniature log cabins with incredible detail. Looking inside the little windows into the lighted rooms, we could see potbelly stoves, breadboxes -- one even had a tiny Harry Potter book on a shelf. The crowd wasn't as heavy as we expected, but it was still early. We started off at the New Hampshire building. There was a square dance underway in a tent on the lawn in front of the building. All of the state buildings were uniquely designed, but each reflected the look of a state capitol building. And each walkway leading up to the building contained a state map made of stone. This year the interior of the New Hampshire building seemed less claustrophobic. Maybe it was simply because fewer people were there. But there also seemed to be more room, as if the concessions had been pushed further back on either side. We passed by the building's back door, where the famous New Hampshire Kettle Korn concession was. It was the first kettle corn Karen and I had ever tasted many years ago, and it used to be the only one at the Big E. Now nearly every state building offered it, and there were also several vendors throughout the grounds. But New Hampshire still had the best-tasting kind. When we left the building, a parade had begun. It was New Hampshire day at the fair, so all of the marchers were from the granite state. The parade featured many bands and some floats that were more like decorated tractors. In fact, some were nothing more than tractors. A horse-drawn calliope passed by. There were also a couple of wagons pulled by eight magnificent Clydesdales. And no fall parade would be complete without an early appearance from Santa, who in this instance was riding in the back of a pickup, accompanied by a pig. Our next stop was the Connecticut building. The crowds were getting a bit thicker by then, perhaps because the parade had ended. The neighboring building, Vermont, was filled with the scent of maple syrup. Liz stopped to get some maple sugar candies shaped like people. We moved on to the Maine building. This was what Karen had been waiting for: at the back of the building was the lobster roll concession. Karen and Liz each ordered one. Karen had joked about ordering 25 of them, but she changed her mind when she discovered they were nine dollars apiece. After she bit into one, she said it was the most succulent lobster roll she'd ever eaten. The Maine building was also home to the famous Maine Potato booth. The wait for a baked potato could stretch to over an hour, so we passed on that. Next up was the Massachusetts building, capped by a golden griffon and a silver unicorn. I was hoping to get some vegetarian chile there, but the vendor was nowhere to be found. In its place was the Granville Store featuring steak and cheese sandwiches and macaroni and cheese. But the line was really long and didn't seem to be moving at all. So instead we got some tasty cider doughnuts and walked over to the Rhode Island building. There were lots of arts and crafts displayed. They also featured Quaobog clams and fritters. Karen got an order of clam fritters. But I still hadn't found anything that appealed to me. So we headed back into the Massachusetts building. The line for macaroni and cheese had dwindled somewhat, but it still didn't seem to be moving. I asked one of the workers if everyone in line was getting a steak and cheese sandwich, and she said yes. So I asked if I could just get macaroni and cheese (for $4). I was able to go right up to the front of the line. And I'm glad I asked; it was some of the best macaroni and cheese I'd ever eaten, thick with hot cheddar and tomatoes. From there we walked across the midway to Storrowton Village, a frozen-in-time historic recreation of a New England square. It was packed with vendors and looked more like a flea market. On a nearby stage, there was a musical act their version of "Rock Around the Clock." We wandered about the various concessions and went into the little Christmas shop. Then we exited next to the Blacksmith's, where dense smoke and the pungent smell of burning coal blanketed the air. Next door was the New England Center, which featured the much-publicized Big E Cream Puffs. I was spoiled by a trip to the Wisconsin State Fair, which hands-down had the most delicious cream puffs I'd ever eaten. I wished the Big E hadn't tried to copy that. (In fact, in their first year the Big E actually called them Wisconsin State Fair Cream Puffs.) I wouldn't have minded if they tasted like the original. But they didn't. When I tried one a few years ago, the Big E cream puffs were heavy on the egg flavor and somewhat warm and dry. But Karen gave them another chance and still came away unimpressed. The New England Center also featured an exhibit of circus posters, mostly of Barnum and Bailey shows. One was the famous display of the Sisters LaRague doing a seemingly impossible loop-the-loop in midair with an automobile. We walked back out onto the midway. I stopped into the Circus Museum, created by Clyde Reynolds and Brooke Evans. I was always impressed with the amount of work that went into creating the various scenes of carnival life. The bulk of the museum was taken up with a huge scene complete with rail cars and a see-thru big top. Karen saw a little wooden sign shop nearby. A sign caught her eye. It read, "I can only be nice to one person today. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either." She bought it to hang it in her office. As the sun set, thousands of colorful lights began filling the skyline. That was why Karen wanted to go at night. So we headed for where the lights were most coloful -- the North American Midway. There seemed to be many newer rides this year than in the past. A Reverchon Crazy Mouse dominated the center section. There was the usual assortment of colorful flat rides. But what caught Karen's and my attention were the fun houses -- they all looked brand new. In the past, there were many more of them on the midway, but they looked a bit the worse for wear. This year there were fewer of them, but they seemed to sparkle. We walked past many game booths, and all of the kids working there were much more talkative than in the past. They all tried calling us over to play. (It didn't work, but I'm glad they at least tried!) At the far end of the midway, the portable flume ride, Niagara Falls, was running without riders -- understandable, on such a chilly night. Just past the North American Midway was the Mallory Complex. The annual curiosity there was the butter sculpture, kept in its large refrigerated display case. The work-in-progress this year was of a boy standing next to a cow and a girl pulling a reluctant calf. Across from that was a display of antique tractors and the annual Christmas tree competition. The trees weren't decorated, but were judged for overall shape. A friendly guy from Henry's Tree Farm came over to talk with us. I had thought that most of the trees were entered by individuals, and were grown naturally and selected for their appearance. But it turned out that most of the entrants were from big nurseries and had been pruned into their shapes. That discovery lessened my fascination with the exhibit. I had thought ordinary people looked high and low for the perfect tree. It didn't seem nearly as difficult to grow a tree in a nursery and then chop it up until it formed the perfect shape. Inside the Mallory Complex was the refrigerator with singing dairy products, always a big hit with children. There were also, predictably, lots of cows. We notice a large crowd at one end of the building. Judging was underway, a competition for the largest pumpkin. These behemoths weren't the plump orange spheres we'd put on our doorstep at Halloween; they averaged about five feet in diameter! The building also housed pens for numerous sheep, goats and alpacas. Karen noted that some of the sheep appeared to have haircuts similar to Elvis. We walked back outside and past a booth for "The World's Smallest Horse." On the opposite side of the fairgrounds was an exhibit featuring the worlds largest horse, so the fair had all bases covered. We could see bright flashing lights some distance away. Then Big E security people began clearing fairgoers out of the way. The Mardi Gras parade was passing through. The big colorful floats were filled with people in costumes who threw beaded necklaces by the bucketload. In the past Karen and I never seemed to be on the receiving end. But we made up for it this time; she and Liz collected over a dozen necklaces! The nearby Young Building featured international exhibits, including a Celtic band. Liz bought a british keychain there. Farm-A-Rama was next door in the Stroh Building. There were about a dozen landscaping exhibits set up by local high school students. This building also included one of the most popular attractions at the fair, the Chick Hatchery, where a patient crowd watched and waited for baby chicks to peck their way out of their shells. There was also a well-done and scary Halloween diorama featuring a bony jack-o-lantern against a moonlit backdrop. The last building we were going to stop at was the gargantuan Better Living Center. On the way, Karen spotted a food stand selling dough nuggets (miniature fried dough). So she ordered a batch while I went nearby for a bowl of delicious cream of broccoli soup. Karen threw out the dough after taking a few bites; she said it was much too greasy. She got a bowl of cream of broccoli soup instead. As we were eating, we ran into a colleague of mine from HCC. He and his wife had spent the day at the fair and were heading home. We chatted for a while and then walked over to the Better Living Center. The huge building, as usual, was packed wall-to-wall with vendors hawking everything from chamois cloths to grandfather clocks, from baseball cards to log homes. It was the U.S. free market system at its most free-wheeling. There didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how the booths were arranged. One booth would feature gemstones and the next would have message chairs. Across from that would be Hammond organs. It was a cacophony of capitalism and became overwhelming pretty quickly. As we were about to leave, we spotted a booth with all sorts of fountains. There were tiny battery-operated models with high-intensity LED lights embedded in them. There were table-top fountains, and there were also large models standing four feet in height. One in particular caught my eye. It was $450, and I wasn't about to spend that much on a fountain. But I loved the sound, which was like a babbling brook. So many of the cheap fountains on the market either sounded like a faucet or a toilet. Few captured the unique sound of a brook or small stream. But I saw one table-top model that did, a small waterfall that created a soothing trickling sound. It was more reasonably priced at $43, so I bought it. By then it was about nine o'clock and we had probably walked about four miles. We all had our treasures, so we called it a night. On our way out we passed by a new exhibit featuring sea lions and a big splash pool. Once again, the Big E proved it offered something for everyone. We probably ate too much, but it was a once-a-year indulgence and for the most part it was great food. The most enjoyable thing for us, though, was the atmosphere: the bright colorful lights, the mouth-watering smells, the unique exhibits, the hometown parades. We may have been tired when we left, but we were already looking forward to next year's fair! From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 17:09:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33129 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 00:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 00:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 00:09:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27282 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2008 00:09:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qJihHBsVM1m9_OL.zi_W_tckT9VyVmqDbXp4nl.mdGM7X.2XOU5EvNJRWAEYnIXroQSCXlg_YlJ7OVLR69ID9gIsBUYSdHTuB0vTbwnT_mDtOZYGhm.4WjWvZ.Si9X8bIk4.aA-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:09:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:09:31 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221868635.3844.27576.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <711397.19748.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=cgMS0EFW_KvRVwkQVu5TbpBE8fT8dFcNT5ogSRH5YZGV2A9cxKzU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'd have to dig up one of my old Rollercoaster! magazines; when Magnum came out, the person who came up with the "Hypercoaster" term was credited. I can't recall who it was. > While I enjoyed the first Superman Ride of Steel at Darien Lake, I've yet to try the SFNE version. < It's quite a bit different, and far superior. Think of Darien's second hill, but for the entire ride, with the finishing bunny hops still at the end. THe SFNE version has perfect pacing as well. The turns and hills have a wonderful flow and pacing to them. I just hope the "X2" retrofit doesn't destroy the experience. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 17:25:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26135 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 00:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 00:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 00:25:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38281 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2008 00:25:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _J6hwn8VM1kL_cWzlQhXHgzJZBxEuJ9ky9e_2zpqAltjRllA3.vgaMHjYyc_TI8KH4tih0VQ1.eVEBo62ssvvTBF8Qb.2UsWiQBsjhrBtH7jQktOkX1lUSNXqLKRV3yb5uPotN_NVTbYXGKW0sIwsRb9TOLVpiI- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:25:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:25:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1221940649.3044.36219.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <564697.36242.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=QTUDf8nP_ZJ4YpyVQagdSWAkTooL-9LkwjRQXuP6kh4_FXlP6b_s X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > At the time it opened it was the tallest coaster in the world. < Yes it was. And like the Crystal Beach Comet, it was given a beautiful footprint on the edge of the lake. But I love airtime. MF was built for speed. It had to be, really, or it would have simply been a bigger (though smoother) Magnum. It broke records and it garnered a lot of publicity for the Point, and more importantly it continues to thrill guests. I still think it's amazing that a ride over 300 feet high operates with simple lap bars. So I guess the park hit a home run with this coaster. I would have loved it if it had been fashioned into a giant SROS, with airtime hills all over the place and some ridiculously twisted helix. As it stands it's just not my cup of tea. But I appreciate what it did for the park. And also, the lift looks spectacular at night. Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 20 21:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80278 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 04:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 04:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 04:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KhGgo-0005dS-Rb for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: <48D5CF66.6070106@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:36:54 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb744225063c7d07295f536bfae1b28ba45e9446de350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: OT- I'll be out for a few days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=QlQeGFe5QigqrbuAvgftBnSQYWiG8w86RI1wp79NUENMOrs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm going to be out for a few days and won't be paying attention to the list. My father in law passed away suddenly this evening (about 3 hours ago as I write this), and we're in the scramble to make arrangements to fly from Florida to California to help take care of everything (should be fun to see how this works out with a grand total of $35 in the bank). So say a prayer for us this week, and when on the list- behave yourselves! :P keep on ridin' George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 21:41:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77724 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 04:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 04:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 04:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 04:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 04:41:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:41:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=TnWOwTPS-jWrwPfphSSlZ-ZvSFtWPtEAmBQVApnrkcxyRXMOSg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Honestly, I suspect the only things keeping Magnum on the charts,=20 whether we're talking about Mitch's Poll, or the (godawful) Golden=20 Tickets, is nostalgia and CP fanboyism.=20 I know I've never had a lap on it that I found to be anything=20 special, I've felt more airtime on MF, every visit, every lap.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > >> I have yet to find any coaster "a bore", but I agree that=20 Millennium > >> Force just does nothing. Unexciting first drop, little air, no=20 sense of > >> speed, and just doesn't seem to do any one thing well. I do=20 really like > >> the first turn, but other than that I'd rather be at Kennywood :) > > > > I just went back to the other side of the park and rode Magnum 2- 3 more > > times instead... it was the superior ride between the two. >=20 > I really don't understand comments like this. While I don't love=20 all > the meandering around on the island that MF does, I've personally > experienced quite a bit of air on that ride, so I know it's there. > The first drop is certainly more exciting than that ramp on the=20 other > side of the peninsula. And as for which ride is superior, well, MF=20 is > preferred over Magnum 4:1 (source: > http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm). >=20 > -Nate > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 21:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53510 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 04:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 04:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 04:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 04:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 04:44:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:44:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48D43E60.8040506@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zUb6PVD7nrNkKYNY7a9OfqqXylMkB2WZh1ZbiD5gcoZY0ZBjWA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 MF has STRONG, sustained, floater air on both hills going to and from=20 the island, but it's more pronounced in the front half of the train.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > >> I have yet to find any coaster "a bore", but I agree that=20 Millennium > > >> Force just does nothing. Unexciting first drop, little air,=20 no sense of > > >> speed, and just doesn't seem to do any one thing well. I do=20 really like > > >> the first turn, but other than that I'd rather be at=20 Kennywood :) > > > > > > I just went back to the other side of the park and rode Magnum=20 2-3 more > > > times instead... it was the superior ride between the two. > >=20 > > I really don't understand comments like this. While I don't love=20 all > > the meandering around on the island that MF does, I've personally > > experienced quite a bit of air on that ride, so I know it's there. >=20 > As much as I disagree with those who claim that MF has a lot of air=20 (it=20 > certainly doesn't in my book), I definitely won't claim that about=20 the=20 > drop. Particularly if you're in the back of the train on MF, that=20 > pullover will shoot you right out of the seat. One of my more=20 memorable=20 > (frightening) moments was riding that with Brian in the back, when=20 he=20 > told me to lift my feet on the drop. I did, and boy was I up in my=20 > seat! It's all speed after that, but there is most certainly air=20 on=20 > that first drop if you're in the back half of the train. >=20 > And if you're in the front? Well, I doubt that there is a coaster=20 out=20 > there with air on the first drop when you're in the front of the=20 train,=20 > you silly goose. :) >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 21:51:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85574 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 04:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 04:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 04:51:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 04:51:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 04:51:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:51:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=CIUL8kRbWZGh5fC9XDYPNy-HwgFdrmjIt45bdrHut85ik9W4zw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > >>From: "Jon Osborn" > >>The cars on older coaster have a limitation of the corners and/or=20 the=20 > >>banking that they can take. > I didn't read it all, but I believe your thinking about wooden=20 coaster=20 > trains and not steel. Steel coasters have no problems with corners. I think some people may argue this one, but I can think of a couple=20 words that prove that some wood coaster trains have no problem=20 negotiating turns, drops and banking: Lost Coaster of Superstition Mountain <3! Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 22:10:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2073 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 05:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 05:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 05:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 05:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 05:10:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:10:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=3jtwb_5ofhskeHjtJ-3R2c9wJa80UgvZC_b0_lzA2RVLK9szJg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > I would really like to know which was started first Millennium Force=20 or Steel Dragon. Did=20 > Cedar Point know Steel Dragon was coming and order MF in a hurry?=20=20 Did they rush it to=20 > completion? Was the original name of the coaster the "Marketing=20 Force?" There has to be=20 > a story there. Have you ridden Steel Dragon? If you haven't, berhaps you should before=20 dragging it into this conversation. There is essentially no comparison=20 between the two rides. The statistics might at first seem similar, with=20 an under ten feet difference in height and drop, and only 2mph=20 difference in top speed. Length only begins to explain the difference.=20 SD2K is over 1500 feet longer than MF. The ride designs are incredibly=20 different from track shape (parabolic hills/non-parabolic), to rolling=20 stock, to countless other things.=20 SD2K is an airtime monster, while MF is all about sensation of speed.=20 Oh, and if CP was so worried about the coming of SD2K, why would they=20 build a ride that's smaller in every respect? >=20 > Oh yea I know I am repeating myself. "Popular" is code for "Other=20 are a 'average' as I am=20 > so its okay." >=20 > ;-) > Perhaps if you start spelling properly, I'll be able to understand what=20 your intention is with this concept.=20 Personally, I agree that popular doesn't necessarily equal good. Deal=20 or No Deal is one of the most popular 'game shows' of all time, but in=20 reality, it's a horrible example of a game show. (IMHO) In the case of Mitch's Poll, it's not a simple popularity contest.=20 Perhaps you should read a little of how it works. You might be=20 surprised. I never knew what was meant by the term "Troll", but now, I understand=20 completely.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 22:14:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66822 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 05:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 05:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 05:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 05:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 05:14:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:14:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=_Np4ySWEHYJmAIu_EiXMUzbH8G5eKdekGPoL7IXip7K0HzQ5zQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > > > >=20 > > > The only virtue in it is that it will contrast the rest of the=20 park. > >=20 > > Isn't that the very definition of standing out?! :) > >=20 > > Cameron. >=20 > Okay well sort of. When I think of "stand out" I think of The=20 Beast, the Son of Beast, Tasu (sp)=20 > or maybe Kumba, Like them or hate them you will find very few=20 things like them at least in=20 > the Americas. Diamondback will "stand out" against the park it is=20 in by being a "just like"=20 > coasters at other parks. That doesn't seem like good move. Kings Island is getting a coaster unlike those already installed in=20 that park. You are suggesting that because Diamondback is similar in=20 some aspects to coasters in other parks, that it is inherently an=20 unwise decision for the park to install it? Except that in essentially every way, it is a unique coaster compared=20 against every and any other coaster in the world.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 22:35:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78926 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 05:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 05:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 05:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 05:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 05:35:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:35:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Gi4b196pVg-s54NtlBstp4RxZ4X-ZykrnQPqUtSMhR0lfMUtlg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > My original point is that in particular with out and back rides=20 like Wildthing and Magnum=20 > they have some of the worlds most modern car technology used to do=20 what the simplest=20 > roller coasters cars did. It is like trying to have a classical=20 spanish guitar solo played on a=20 > electric guitar, or using a ratchet as a hammer.=20=20 You do know, some 'out and back' coasters have that design because=20 they fit an available footprint, right? Classical Spanish guitar solos sound just fine to me on an electric=20 guitar to me, thank you. Oh, and sometimes it's just quicker to tap=20 something with the side of your ratchet than go back down to the=20 basement toolbox to grab a hammer. ;-)=20 > So I don't think the problem is ignorance (now who has the=20 insult), I think it is too high on expectations on my part.=20=20 My 'insult' comes soon. Parks don't want "high art" coasters they want "high market" or=20 > "high return on investment" coasters.=20=20 This is quite likely the dumbest thing you've said yet. Because,=20 obviously all park operators want to install rides that do nothing=20 but lose money for them.=20 What's a "high art" coaster anyway? Jon, just as an idea, to help us understand you a little better,=20 could you list perhaps 3-5 wooden and 3-5 steel coasters (Heck, use=20 your own odd definitions!) that you love and enjoy? Because so far, I=20 just hear you bad-mouthing a lot of rides that other people like.=20 (Yes, yes, I know. Popular doesn't equal good.)=20 Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 20 22:40:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12875 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 05:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 05:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 05:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KhHgF-0000rv-O5 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:40:23 -0400 Message-ID: <48D5DE2E.2000001@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:39:58 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478186cdfcb74422506bb5973918855ce1baf1b69eccf624349350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Marketing (Was Diamondback) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=BWrjKw8WG7NWK_8a0xWQ-m_bwQrZPekRbY36zCLUPsypnks X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > > MF has STRONG, sustained, floater air on both hills going to and from > the island, but it's more pronounced in the front half of the train. > Well, I'd debate that since I certainly didn't get any air on those hills when I rode- and yes, I rode in the front half of the train also. Some people seem to have gotten a lot of air. I got nothing, anywhere, at all, on any part of the train, except in the back on the first drop. Oh, half to laughingly correct Mike on one thing- sure Hypersonic might have given air in the front half of the train on it's first hill, but it didn't have a LIFT hill. It was a launch. It's impossible for the front of the train to get air on a lift hill. keep on ridin' George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 08:40:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67584 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 15:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 15:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 15:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 15:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 15:40:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:40:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.113.3.185 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=LnAC3YVAZLsJYAfl6fJfDlAWhP-DIgDtguE0XdHtmkWYXN8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Blah blah blah Diamondback Blah blah blah out and back Blah blah blah what a bore. You know what I find a bore? This thread. -Alan From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 12:55:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98575 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 19:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 19:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 19:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 19:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 19:55:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:55:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.93.209.56 From: "WILEY" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=7mDKp8H6ssA9P95k-_N0c8wlydH1BLMAY1X2Ik8YD-NgrvOG9q4JF3Pt_NNRIZe9 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > > Blah blah blah Diamondback > Blah blah blah out and back > Blah blah blah what a bore. >=20 > You know what I find a bore? > This thread. >=20 > -Alan > I couldn't agree more. Diamondback isn't even built yet and=20 everybody is saying that is going to be a let down. I feel until=20 you have ridden it you can't make a comment.=20=20 The other side of this is everybody would be complaining if nobody=20 was to build new coasters. What if parks decide that they are just=20 to expensive and quit building them all together? So quit your=20 bitchin' and be thankful that we are getting another new coaster to=20 enjoy!!! Stepping off the soapbox now :) From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sun Sep 21 13:04:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30851 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 20:04:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 20:04:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-184.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 20:04:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8491 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2008 19:00:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 19:00:13 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KhVAQ-0006re-M3 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:04:26 -0600 Message-Id: <4F4B60D1-E524-463D-8269-103A75BB005D@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:05:05 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=1bv6-xGI0U7eag9ThIrp7nno_hgKcd7eKek8JK5h0FJNQBqljs3q X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > I couldn't agree more. Diamondback isn't even built yet and > everybody is saying that is going to be a let down. I don't think everyone is saying its going to be a let down, I certainly wasn't (hopefully I wasn't sounding that way, because I think it will be one of the better coasters out there). I'm not sure if it will be better than Nitro, but that's only because I'm a huge fan of Nitro. I am curious as to the new trains though... has anyone been on Behemoth at Canada's Wonderland? I really like the Nitro style trains, where you're sitting next to other people, wondering how much different these stadium style trains make. Mike From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Sep 21 17:16:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9633 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 00:16:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 00:16:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f18.google.com) (209.85.217.18) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 00:16:03 -0000 X-Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so2329686gxk.15 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:16:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.250.12 with SMTP id x12mr2331622anh.59.1222042562631; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:16:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0809211716g3eaf9f43n7fc22d88f0c6aee9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:16:02 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <411479.17809.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1221791350.1836.61013.m45@yahoogroups.com> <411479.17809.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: SROS upgrades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=baeunbtNc-jRO0-z6dxxeBGZCJd9OB56zSHMJzAgookTFJo X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska With all of the air time on this coaster it's going to be painful riding with otsrs. I'm actually going there this Friday, which will most likely be my last trip this year, to say 'good bye' because I am extremely nervous that they are going to add otsrs to this monster. Lance, you get the rumors, what has the buzz been saying about the otsr posibility? Mike On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > Thanks for the link. Why does Six Flags have to screw around with the best > coaster on the planet? Some of it seems benign: the effects in the tunnels, > for instance. (That will probably take the place of the misters, which were > cool but which rarely were turned on.) But an on-board sound system? That > probably means headrests, which probably means a less comfortable ride and > more obstruction. They win the Golden Ticket year after year. It's not like > the ride was suffering from anonymity. I loved how SROS offered pure coaster > exhilaration with no gimmicks. Leave it to Six Flags to shoot themselves in > the foot again. > > Jay, who obviously doesn't have much faith in Six Flags' judgement > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Sep 21 17:17:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29371 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 00:17:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 00:17:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.189) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 00:17:07 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m61so855542rnd.8 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.166.9 with SMTP id o9mr2332080ane.64.1222042626690; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0809211717h3f9450cbwb81678633669cf04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:17:06 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48D5CF66.6070106@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48D5CF66.6070106@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT- I'll be out for a few days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=rULoWLYAZaqk5rUUxTetz6C-hZ5L1TmbR7kidCJXqLn-L3Y X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Condolences on your lose, good luck on the travel arrangements. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:36 AM, george burnash wrote: > Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm going to be out for a few days > and won't be paying attention to the list. My father in law passed away > suddenly this evening (about 3 hours ago as I write this), and we're in > the scramble to make arrangements to fly from Florida to California to > help take care of everything (should be fun to see how this works out > with a grand total of $35 in the bank). > > So say a prayer for us this week, and when on the list- behave > yourselves! :P > > keep on ridin' > George > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 18:10:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33547 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 01:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 01:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 01:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 01:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 01:10:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:10:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F4B60D1-E524-463D-8269-103A75BB005D@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=0hVLr0EADZRiVd0st4bX8TzlK2J4S-GWq8TSJIn7NcWxYrK64i7d X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > I am curious as to the new trains though... has anyone been on=20=20 > Behemoth at Canada's Wonderland? I really like the Nitro style=20=20 > trains, where you're sitting next to other people, wondering how=20 much=20=20 > different these stadium style trains make. >=20 > Mike > I rode Behemoth about 2 months ago. As for the trains, I thought they=20 were kinda lame. First ride was a middle outside seat and it did=20 nothing for me. In fact, it was bottoming out kinda rough. Then had a=20 front seat center that was amazing.=20=20 You're right, if you're sitting in an outside seat, you are riding by=20 yourself, and where's the fun in that? Besides, I think the trains=20 look a little goofy, they are sooooo long. At that length, they could=20 have added perhaps 2 extra cars to a "old" B+M hyper train.=20=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 19:00:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87183 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 02:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 02:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 02:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 02:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 02:00:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:00:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F4B60D1-E524-463D-8269-103A75BB005D@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=46-wepISxVfHV9GKYkF9GiIG0GO3yhQf66C-RgpjtK2Y718dFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I too, rode Behemoth back in June, and I thought it was the best job=20 B&M has done in some years. I really like the new trains, they have=20 the few positives of the Deja arrangements, but none of the=20 downsides. Those longer cars seem to act as leverage to increase the=20 feeling of being tossed out of the seats.=20 Now, this year, I've not heard anyone say that they had anything but=20 the first trim touch, and even that hit pretty lightly, however only=20 time will tell if CF and CW will start cranking down on those,=20 because I think it could end up being neutered far worse than the way=20 Raging Bull has been.=20=20=20 If you're in the pair, you're just as close as on the 4-across=20 seating, if you're on the 'wing seat' you can almost tap the other=20 person on the shoulder. (In other words, you're not horribly=20 isolated.) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone=20 wrote: > > > I couldn't agree more. Diamondback isn't even built yet and > > everybody is saying that is going to be a let down. >=20 > I don't think everyone is saying its going to be a let down, I=20=20 > certainly wasn't (hopefully I wasn't sounding that way, because I=20=20 > think it will be one of the better coasters out there). I'm not=20 sure=20=20 > if it will be better than Nitro, but that's only because I'm a=20 huge=20=20 > fan of Nitro. >=20 > I am curious as to the new trains though... has anyone been on=20=20 > Behemoth at Canada's Wonderland? I really like the Nitro style=20=20 > trains, where you're sitting next to other people, wondering how=20 much=20=20 > different these stadium style trains make. >=20 > Mike > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 19:07:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12515 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 02:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 02:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 02:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 02:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 02:07:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:07:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-x-j5nrXQBBNo18EG0raSCnqwE8J31MCr0mKE1fe9zYgzF13hA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I should have said that you can almost tap the person in the front=20 seat closest to you, you're pretty far from the person on the other=20 side.=20 I guess there is the one downside, but I didn't hang around the=20 grouper to hear if it's been a problem at Behemoth: At Deja Vu,=20 people tended to want the 'A' seats (the paired ones at the front of=20 the car), and didn't like being assigned the 'B' seats (The ones out=20 on the 'wings' of the train.) At DV, I could understand that, as you couldn't even see the person=20 that you were riding with, but that should be less of an issue on=20 these. Chris (Sorry for replying to my own post!) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > I too, rode Behemoth back in June, and I thought it was the best=20 job=20 > B&M has done in some years. I really like the new trains, they have=20 > the few positives of the Deja arrangements, but none of the=20 > downsides. Those longer cars seem to act as leverage to increase=20 the=20 > feeling of being tossed out of the seats.=20 >=20 > Now, this year, I've not heard anyone say that they had anything=20 but=20 > the first trim touch, and even that hit pretty lightly, however=20 only=20 > time will tell if CF and CW will start cranking down on those,=20 > because I think it could end up being neutered far worse than the=20 way=20 > Raging Bull has been.=20=20=20 >=20 > If you're in the pair, you're just as close as on the 4-across=20 > seating, if you're on the 'wing seat' you can almost tap the other=20 > person on the shoulder. (In other words, you're not horribly=20 > isolated.) >=20 > Chris >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone=20 > wrote: > > > > > I couldn't agree more. Diamondback isn't even built yet and > > > everybody is saying that is going to be a let down. > >=20 > > I don't think everyone is saying its going to be a let down, I=20=20 > > certainly wasn't (hopefully I wasn't sounding that way, because=20 I=20=20 > > think it will be one of the better coasters out there). I'm not=20 > sure=20=20 > > if it will be better than Nitro, but that's only because I'm a=20 > huge=20=20 > > fan of Nitro. > >=20 > > I am curious as to the new trains though... has anyone been on=20=20 > > Behemoth at Canada's Wonderland? I really like the Nitro style=20=20 > > trains, where you're sitting next to other people, wondering how=20 > much=20=20 > > different these stadium style trains make. > >=20 > > Mike > > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Sep 21 19:17:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42793 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 02:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 02:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 02:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KhazH-00044U-Si for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: <48D7002E.7080700@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:17:18 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48D5CF66.6070106@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0809211717h3f9450cbwb81678633669cf04@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0809211717h3f9450cbwb81678633669cf04@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478eac95fecee41577b17c25628003a68fb39cce2a97455b847350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT- I'll be out for a few days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=1q_Acc5rabb3XSHSZtNE1b3P_5tshBtrLfwpbdMPdZCNTEk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Thanks to you and everyone else that sent a note. WE've got everything worked out and fly out first thing in the morning. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. Geroge Michael Cowan wrote: > > > Condolences on your lose, good luck on the travel arrangements. > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:36 AM, george burnash > wrote: > > Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm going to be out for a few days > > and won't be paying attention to the list. My father in law passed away > > suddenly this evening (about 3 hours ago as I write this), and we're in > > the scramble to make arrangements to fly from Florida to California to > > help take care of everything (should be fun to see how this works out > > with a grand total of $35 in the bank). > > > > So say a prayer for us this week, and when on the list- behave > > yourselves! :P > > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > > > > From lance@screamscape.com Sun Sep 21 21:23:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69700 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 04:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 04:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 04:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1A06BE1C9 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:23:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 X-Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm52.48d282b0.a76f3 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:23:35 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI1x3HBjVOkAIAAAAB,05aa7fe5b5d618a7ed90c07ed8af5eaf Message-ID: <2B4DC1448FAE48F6B797E1F12705AE24@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:23:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=aKZdYs3oPXWfcricfU0wYipV18e1EaDbbJczV0BwkZYwf_nnXnZiXt1EbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Osborn" >Son of Beast is as tall as Magnum, etc. It had problems originally. I have >ridden it several >times since "the rebuild" and it is as smooth a ride or smother then Vortex >on a given day. >It has mood swings, don't get me wrong, and I think humidity is a factor in >its attitude. It >is not the most violent coaster I have ridden. The worst abuse I have ever >gotten on a >coaster was on a launched steel tube ride. You have got to be kidding... I don't think I've ever seen the word "smooth" and "Son of Beast" used together in a single sentance until now. While I personally haven't been on the neutered version of Son of Beast (no loop) I think my two rides on it in it's full glory were perhaps the two most painful coaster experiences I have ever had ever. The right was rough enough that I think I damn near cracked a rib from the pounding, plus I hurt deep down inside organs I didn't even know that I had for a few hours afterwards. The only smooth moment on Son of Beast was a loop. It was like 99% of the engineering effort behind that ride went into the loops creation... leaving the rest of it a smoldering pile of crap. I knew removing the loop wasn't going to smooth it out... especially not by adding a few sets of used G-trains as replacements, since I don't think the G-trains can corner all that well and that's pretty much all Son of Beast is... a bunch of giant helixes that never end... which is kind of on the boring side too I might add... From what I've been told from friends who have ridden it this summer, they say that the ride experience is just as bad now as I was back then... rough and painful. From lance@screamscape.com Sun Sep 21 21:34:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5805 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 04:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 04:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0106.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 04:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0106.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7076474D02 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm103.48d282f8.1760a0 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:34:29 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI1yBV/4CwWAIAAAAB,e7710719a40757679d42649dc3fef023 Message-ID: <765E9C3D71BC44849FF4A2EB1CDCC1DD@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:34:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=mJ3LRu5MWGpulVafJa16gEpxhg_GFrJJgp8iaCM3JcY7uJmQL6ZG7P3CgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Nitro has a helix Diamondback will not. You must be thinking of some >>other ride. Diamondback has two actually... one before the mid-course brake and another one before the splashdown. > When parks started to break that height limit in the effort to go Bigger & > Faster... thats when numerous problems came up. > The bigger your wooden coaster is... the more it is going to shake itself > apart and the faster it will self-dectruct. >>It its current form the Son of Beast is a fine ride. It is not the best >>ride ever but I don't get what you are saying. >>The Son of Beast has had problems, like the Steel Dragon. I really don't >>get your point. The point in... Son of Beast is one of the worst coasters ever built... Countless lawsuits and finger pointing over the problems... everyone knows it is a piece of crap but no one wants to take the blame. One more incident or any kind and I've got a feeling we'll see that ride taken down. From lance@screamscape.com Sun Sep 21 21:46:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97206 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 04:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 04:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0101.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 04:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F6255404E for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:46:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.48d282f2.157944 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:46:46 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI1yM2anUmKwIAAAAB,aa401c2172b90778a6c3147a71b8a7c2 Message-ID: To: References: <1221791350.1836.61013.m45@yahoogroups.com> <411479.17809.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0809211716g3eaf9f43n7fc22d88f0c6aee9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0809211716g3eaf9f43n7fc22d88f0c6aee9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:46:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: SROS upgrades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Zf3ODt6HN5bBOENFbTpvIhIHxW6ZNx5q2QSVydWTyQuJln9PmFRwGAtemg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cowan" To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: SROS upgrades > With all of the air time on this coaster it's going to be painful > riding with otsrs. I'm actually going there this Friday, which will > most likely be my last trip this year, to say 'good bye' because I am > extremely nervous that they are going to add otsrs to this monster. > > Lance, you get the rumors, what has the buzz been saying about the > otsr posibility? That's a new rumor I have not heard. Six Flags knows the ride is good the way it is and they don't want to screw it up. However, they also got a very good responce to the transformation of X into X2 and the addition of special effects and the soundtrack. Adding fire to Superman wont screw it up... so I guess the question is how will they add sound to S:ROS into the existing trains. They managed to add it to X... though they did get new trains, the soundtrack wasn't part of the deal for the new trains, that came later. I think they'll probably take a good look at how Eagles at Hard Rock Park put sound into a Mine Train coaster to base as their design for adding sound to Superman, basiclly just sticking a big speaker in between your knees... From coastermanokc@cox.net Mon Sep 22 07:46:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19347 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 14:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 14:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.240.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 14:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080922144652.TPPQ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:46:52 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.229.222.119]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Hqmq1a00R2bAdt802qmrLq; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:46:52 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=u_VoVlOdcyAA:10 a=f4HZUewRGdMA:10 a=Gg36-mGeNtTrUAyxuM0A:9 a=06Cre7TUNfuzBo8DBMOS-cnEuBMA:4 a=nYVn_KSJ8M0A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=VEPmkBahvkGSVuxI-RcA:9 a=9C4Ut091EsKTic_DFKEA:7 a=owluGDdPqdnBoSIh7jP8koIgbD4A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 To: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckaoNsdU/1TISIKTtql5rb0RFrDWwCIDQMg Message-Id: <20080922144652.TPPQ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.59 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] "hypercoaster" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=7NBJ6EOrMCxZkz5wa3YylYnnbO90xyRYrOerqfl7hTTs5ZiR9fYhCA X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Talking about the Steel Phantom. What about Phantoms Revenge? I have ridden it and it has the focus of a hypercoaster elements and a drop of over 200 feet, but not the lift height. Just my 2 worthless cents but I would consider it to be a hypercoaster. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 17:49:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87725 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 00:49:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 00:49:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 00:49:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96747 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2008 00:49:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iD14GpIVM1kFcWp8L4D3UlbGAf2jZRvyzzckrtwd8EqCMA_NdzyBkpXaUGFtay9JJTIJ75xMdPwPs9bBcbI4xPu1cv9hanvBDCGJ3TtPE70CkocnC6E.IeowV.7Cw_YForJz5c9hqQKPKqxfJiXwFa.yiOg- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:49:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:49:50 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <931672.96261.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Ike hits parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=acIo7JA7T691yvWsW_E2bW9UuMA6UF9rwBtEU7Y6sm-5z3aRge46 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Hurricane Ike made a mess out of Schlitterbahn and Kemah: < http://weatherblog.abc13.com/2008/09/more-photos-of.html > Jay From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Sep 22 18:10:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24665 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 01:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 01:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 01:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d5a.2ff5b422 (14467) for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:10:35 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Ike hits parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=65WsCTdh8ADUg32rON1YnQU6V23C54M-8Fa0fQbWcOvtv_JRjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hurricane Ike also took out Kings Island for a day. It knocked out their power at 3pm on that Sunday it hit Ohio and left them down the rest of the day. Since KI is only a weekend park now, that was the only damage that was done, and it re-opened the next weekend. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Sep 22 18:26:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69339 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 01:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 01:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 01:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 01:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 01:26:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:26:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=hHvmvzZSa2f8Fior5u3vi9RMkiOXhqvdjuJqdvFc6QI X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > wrote: > > My original point is that in particular with out and back rides=20 > like Wildthing and Magnum=20 > > they have some of the worlds most modern car technology used to do=20 > what the simplest=20 > > roller coasters cars did. It is like trying to have a classical=20 > spanish guitar solo played on a=20 > > electric guitar, or using a ratchet as a hammer.=20=20 >=20 > You do know, some 'out and back' coasters have that design because=20 > they fit an available footprint, right? Yes, the out and back type has persisted because it is a good thing, and yo= u can fit them=20 in places other things don't fit. You can even put cars with complicated su= spensions on=20 them. I know this. Vanilla ice cream is still here even though you can g= et rocky road and=20 other flavors now. I in fact like both things (air time coasters and vanil= la ice cream). The=20 genesis of this type was influenced by the limitations of the cars availabl= e to it.=20=20=20 >=20 > Classical Spanish guitar solos sound just fine to me on an electric=20 > guitar to me, thank you. Oh, and sometimes it's just quicker to tap=20 > something with the side of your ratchet than go back down to the=20 > basement toolbox to grab a hammer. ;-)=20 >=20 > > So I don't think the problem is ignorance (now who has the=20 > insult), I think it is too high on expectations on my part.=20=20 >=20 > My 'insult' comes soon. >=20 > Parks don't want "high art" coasters they want "high market" or=20 > > "high return on investment" coasters.=20=20 >=20 > This is quite likely the dumbest thing you've said yet. Because,=20 > obviously all park operators want to install rides that do nothing=20 > but lose money for them.=20 Well that is my frustration. MF is a marketing boom. Even though in the in= formal poll of=20 the opinions showing up around here, I get the feeling (forgive me if I am = wrong, I don't=20 really want to debate it) the a good number of the people here on the list = find MF a=20 disappointment. What markets well is sound bites, tallest ..., fastest....= etc. None of that=20 really goes into making a good coaster. The sad thing is "high art" coaste= rs do develop a=20 following, one that usually last a long time.=20=20 >=20 > What's a "high art" coaster anyway? >=20 What makes a symphony more interesting the a guitar solo? More elements pu= t together=20 really well. Likewise what make a good multi-course meal better then a pla= te full of ice=20 cream, different elements joined together really well. The elements of a r= oller coaster are=20 acceleration, jerk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk), and less formally t= he snap=20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(physics)) A good coaster will connect = them in=20 interesting ways. > Jon, just as an idea, to help us understand you a little better,=20 > could you list perhaps 3-5 wooden and 3-5 steel coasters (Heck, use=20 > your own odd definitions!) that you love and enjoy? Because so far, I=20 > just hear you bad-mouthing a lot of rides that other people like.=20 > Reasonable question... I do live in the midwest so most of these will be from there.=20=20 Renegade it a good little coaster. I has lots of varied elements and mixes= them well. My=20 only complaints about it are: Pacing, I would actually like a little more t= ime between=20 elements, that is personal taste though. And length, I wanted a another cou= ple of more=20 elements, you do a flyby of the station and have kinetic energy left over a= t the end, that=20 means you could have had more elements.=20=20 Legend is Renegade's older brother, I like the pacing better, but it is not= as intense. Raven=20 is just too short. Flight of Fear, this used to be a monster. Pain in air conditioning. Since= the removal of the=20 over the shoulder restraints and some tweaks, it has become a real sweat ri= de. There is=20 one brake run where if you are in the front it feels like you are going to = get dumped, that=20 is the only detraction on the current configuration. Anything by John Allen. They were better in the 'old days" before being mo= dified, and this=20 is a nostalgia thought, not an analytical one. The texture of an out and b= ack built by him=20 is so wonderful. I like by vanilla ice cream, hand made, served in a glass= bowel with=20 chocolate sprinkles, not four pounds of it squirted out of a direct draw ma= chine. The American Eagle has grown on me as well. I wanted the helix to be fast = but have=20 grown to like the slow way it does what it does. If you count it as an out= and back it=20 would be my favorite out and back. The Cyclone copy at GA, Viper. It is the only one in the neighborhood. It= has a large=20 nostalgia component. Superman Ultimate Flight, although I don't know about this one for sure. I= t and Firehawk=20 both have good features I would like to see the best of both in one coaster= . They are both=20 early in the evolution of the type and better ones are sure to come. I am = guessing Tatsu is=20 better but I haven't made it there yet. Raging Bull is interesting. All acceleration almost no jerk. In a way it = is magic. I think it=20 will eventually start to bore me, but for now I am facinated by the design.= That an chicks=20 dig it and I dig chicks. That isn't very analytical, but it is true. Gemini once you ignore the lies about it is a good ride after all. (Cedar = Point still claims it=20 was the fastest in the world.) Good mix of elements. Kumba is a good multi element ride. Nice pacing between elements. Inversi= ons can be=20 repetitive these aren't. Chang is excellent. Hold your head back or you will get bashed.=20=20 The Beast is a symphony in the woods. If you like air-time then you won't = like it, but it=20 has everything else a wood coaster should, with just a little bit of airtim= e. The=20 presentation is good as well. 7400 ft of coaster and you can't see any of = it. I you ride the=20 back car on a wet day it will cause pain. If you aren't into that, the fro= nt is much smother.=20=20 There are many elements they go together well. Also it has a reasonable ri= de time. This=20 should be the minimum ride time for a coaster not the maximum. I have been= lucky=20 enough to get a double ride on this wonderful coaster, almost twelve minute= s of ride for=20 almost no wait, you just can't beat it. Now I do want to take issue with part of what you said. The only coaster I= have really=20 ripped by name is Millennium Force, and I think it deserves it. In the Diamondback discussion I made the mistake of latching onto the term= =20 "hypercoaster" when I meant "out-and-back coaster over 200 ft." My impress= ion from=20 what I had read on the ol' interweb was that "hypercoaster" was an out and = back "airtime"=20 coaster and "megacoaster" was "over 200 ft." When Josh listed his good one= s and only one=20 was solidly in my "hypercoaster" grouping (with some debate about SROS) I r= ealized the=20 word didn't mean what I thought it meant. Even then the trust of my point = was airtime is=20 great but how much of it should you have? None of the individual rides are= bad, the type=20 has been done, the simplist type there is.=20=20 Even in the "woodie" discussion I never really was down on a given coaster = just the jargon=20 that won't past an 8 year old's smell test. I think you can even find it t= he post that started=20 that whole thing off the words "The Voyage is a fine ride." > (Yes, yes, I know. Popular doesn't equal good.)=20 >=20 > Chris > At least I got that point across ;-) Think while you ride, Jon From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 23:05:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8733 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 06:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 06:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 06:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 06:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 06:05:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:05:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock Park closes early, files bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AnjuEiWRgf4cTwjvDRCeWh9dcEeZ8eDXJ4gPxwVUu87zZQBrQw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 We would like to thank the hundreds of thousands of guests from=20 across the country that came to experience Hard Rock Park during our=20 inaugural season and for rating their experience of Hard Rock Park as=20 comparable to the best that the major theme parks have to offer. We=20 would also like to thank the local community in Myrtle Beach for=20 their support in opening the world's first rock `n' roll theme park.=20 Regretfully, Hard Rock Park has closed for the remainder of the 2008=20 season to allow management to focus on restructuring efforts.=20 Following the completion of this process, Hard Rock Park intends to=20 re-open for the 2009 season and we invite everyone back next year to=20 continue the fun. Hard Rock Park will remain focused on delivering a first class=20 entertainment experience to the hundreds of thousands of visitors who=20 come and enjoy their visit to the Park everyday. =20 Q: Why is HRP Holdings doing this reorganization? What do you hope=20 to accomplish with this? =20 A: We took this step because, after thorough consultation with our=20 investors and advisors, we determined that it would be in the long- term interest of the company as well as our employees, customers and=20 other stakeholders.=20=20 This process will give HRP Holdings the opportunity to restructure=20 its balance sheet and reduce its debt to ensure the future health and=20 sustainability of the company.=20=20 As you may be aware, the unprecedented volatility of the global=20 financial markets and rising fuel costs have had a significant impact=20 on tourism worldwide. Specifically, tourism in Myrtle Beach is down=20 as a whole.=20=20 Consumers continue to postpone or scale back their travel plans.=20 Theme parks nationwide are seeing attendance flat or down this year=20 (Source: Leisure and Recreational Concepts Inc.)=20 Additionally, the frozen credit markets severely limited our ability=20 to line up loans or the other planned financial resources we needed=20 to execute our summer marketing plan and adequately promote the Park. By taking these actions, we intend to re-open in 2009 with a much=20 stronger financial position. =20 =20 Q: Is Hard Rock Park going out of business? =20 A: Hard Rock Park is not going out of business. In conjunction with=20 the filing, the Park will close for the season to allow management to=20 focus on the restructuring efforts. Following the completion of this=20 process, Hard Rock Park intends to re-open for the 2009 season with=20 enhanced financial flexibility. Chapter 11 is a common process that allows companies to restore their=20 financial health so they can continue as stronger business. Many=20 other well known companies such as Chiquita, Delta Airlines, Macy's=20 and Continental Airlines have emerged from this process as stronger,=20 successful companies.=20 =20 =20 Q: I know you are shutting down for the season, but when will the=20 Park open again? =20 A: Following the completion of the restructuring process, Hard Rock=20 Park intends to re-open for the 2009 season next spring. =20 =20 Q: Will there be any further workforce reductions as a result of the=20 Chapter 11 filing? =20 A: At this time, we are not anticipating any significant changes in=20 our non-seasonal employment numbers in connection with this=20 announcement. Following the completion of the restructuring process,=20 Hard Rock Park intends to re-open for the 2009 season and we invite=20 all seasonal employees to apply for positions within the Park next=20 year. =20 =20 Q: Will employee paychecks or benefits be affected by the Chapter 11=20 filing?=20 =20 A: All non-seasonal employees will continue to receive their=20 paycheck on a normal schedule, and medical, dental and other benefits=20 will continue uninterrupted. =20 =20 Q: What happens to season passes? Can I get a refund? =20 A: In conjunction with the filing, Hard Rock Park will close for=20 the season to allow management to focus on the restructuring=20 process. Following the completion of this process, Hard Rock Park=20 intends to re-open for the 2009 season.=20 Whether the Park will be able to provide refunds or extensions for=20 Annual Pass holders will be determined by the Bankruptcy Court.=20 =20 =20 Q: What is Chapter 11? A: Chapter 11 is a legal process that allows a company to continue=20 to operate its business while it restructures its debts in an=20 organized, Court-supervised setting. Chapter 11 refers to the portion=20 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code that governs Bankruptcy Court-supervised=20 corporate reorganizations. =20 =20 Q: How do I get additional information? =20 A: If you have additional questions or concerns we invite you to=20 call our customer service line at (843) 646-6450.=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 23:07:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73287 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 06:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 06:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 06:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 06:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 06:07:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:07:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park closes early, files bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=KZSLSAPnSD8Dq3X8GBg3eQ12UnMB2MsqxifICbXavK-UgUI3SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > Regretfully, Hard Rock Park has closed for the remainder of the 2008=20 > season to allow management to focus on restructuring efforts.=20 I had just bought plane tickets and was headed there next weekend.=20 I guess I'll go to SFOG for the first time, and maybe some of the other=20 stuff in GA instead. Chris From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 25 05:24:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85953 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 12:24:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 12:24:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 12:24:02 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10ABE673D7A for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:24:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm103.48d282f8.2f78da for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:24:01 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI24LhmrK8WwIAAAAB,92fbc81f6a5cb8944ba0127e833cbbdf Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:24:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park closes early, files bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=oEEwWZ20rvJydnBZGZB1xIaC2J_jgIw5NJhtlP5BqaM6QIz238fijN26GQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" I had just bought plane tickets and was headed there next weekend. I guess I'll go to SFOG for the first time, and maybe some of the other stuff in GA instead. There isn't much in GA other than SFOG and a long drive down to Wild Adventures. Maybe try out Carowinds and Dollywood instead. From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Sep 25 08:17:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11758 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 15:17:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 15:17:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 15:17:08 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cde.3705f662 (48600) for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:17:34 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park closes early, files bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=Xc1foSCIwc-1Hl9DMNBNloR6KLo4_Giqksmr4hfbKYELeJEYEA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/25/2008 8:24:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lance@screamscape.com writes: There isn't much in GA other than SFOG and a long drive down to Wild Adventures. Maybe try out Carowinds and Dollywood instead. Dollywood is 4 hours or so from Carowinds, Six Flags is 4 hours from Dollywood, and Wild Adventures is 3 hours from Six Flags. That would be a nice trip. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 22:10:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53293 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 05:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 05:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 05:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 05:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 05:10:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:10:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park closes early, files bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=y6NI50Kea8bYq0P0cwTOTHb9_5jbA3_fynTynR4l7OkG5vliMg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well, my flight was to Atlanta anyways, so I'll be credit whoring=20 Georgia. (Minus Lake Winnie, which will be closed for the season when=20 I get down there.) Time should permit a swing by Carowinds as well. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > In a message dated 9/25/2008 8:24:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > lance@... writes: >=20 > There isn't much in GA other than SFOG and a long drive down to=20 Wild=20=20 > Adventures. > Maybe try out Carowinds and Dollywood instead. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Dollywood is 4 hours or so from Carowinds, Six Flags is 4 hours=20 from=20=20 > Dollywood, and Wild Adventures is 3 hours from Six Flags. That=20 would be a nice trip. >=20 >=20 >=20 > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life=20 financial=20 > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and=20 information, tips and=20 > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/? 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--YCalReminder=DJwRnIFxsIB5tKA9APJ1222408227-1-- From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 26 14:43:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8749 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 21:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 21:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 21:43:50 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so1167616rvb.14 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.1 with SMTP id v1mr1020344rvp.73.1222465430135; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:43:50 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: QUESTION: CP Halloweekends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=RYoBLYoDfwrRyVC5d1yX-biSQOsT-g1H-3P3QpeLhKtNAcJ2r2TmplA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Hey all, Just a quick question for those who are local to CP. Can anyone give me a reasonable idea of what the crowds are likely to be like on Friday the 31st? I know crowd sizes are unpredictible and weather-dependent, but I'm just looking for an general description of what Friday nights are like at CP during Halloweekends. I'm in the early stages of considering a trip out there that weekend, but my mind is far from made up. Thanks all, Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 16:03:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39857 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 23:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 23:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 23:03:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81142 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 23:03:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X6qk6pAVM1lQbvVQTRYmN66CuckOUarI1PCH8o3jKK_oaymqztFhnXsPfapSkvx0dL4GIrKFgE55gXL5kSA3lvB.71.86d39_WONR60_k7XIUAy9a7920fuhhzXK7UtRX0YeO1KxA9dMlT_6bQM0m.GssKcqsCtGKLtY8C.MKl1qc3k- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:03:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:03:25 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1222375236.2922.17624.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <730619.81113.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Hard Rock Park closes early, files bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=YIW_QavoLNBIOgasJEsUM-pxFw9eH8TtU5-gZqZ5HBTeNVBejumi X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I wonder if they were financed by AIG.... Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 17:31:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96894 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 00:31:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 00:31:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 00:31:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 00:31:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 00:31:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:31:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: QUESTION: CP Halloweekends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=y3McnJCHNg4ssAD69Wq8t8a8sPtqvhh5BtyET02xEVmXK8_7jg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Have you never seen pictures of that night?=20 Imagine those super-wide midways, packed from edge to edge with people.=20 That's CP on Halloween weekend.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > Hey all, >=20 > Just a quick question for those who are local to CP. Can anyone give > me a reasonable idea of what the crowds are likely to be like on > Friday the 31st? I know crowd sizes are unpredictible and > weather-dependent, but I'm just looking for an general description of > what Friday nights are like at CP during Halloweekends. I'm in the > early stages of considering a trip out there that weekend, but my mind > is far from made up. >=20 > Thanks all, > Nate > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 26 18:26:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92497 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 01:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 01:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.235) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 01:26:51 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1207762rvb.11 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.164.6 with SMTP id m6mr1099100rve.210.1222478811806; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:26:51 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: CP Halloweekends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=pcmpYS_uwcoVVtLza8kvmebvkaoOybzoYgu97NajL8SLW5VLmMmFduE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Have you never seen pictures of that night? No, I haven't, which is why I ask. SFGAm is frequently slow on Friday nights during Fright Fest. Meanwhile, the park is packed on Saturdays and Sundays. Obviously CP will be busy as heck on Saturdays (and Saturday nights). But are Friday nights - when the ride selection is greatly limited compared to Sat and Sun - also horribly busy? -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Sep 26 19:29:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27553 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 02:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 02:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.183) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 02:29:47 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n7so626959wag.13 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:29:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.241.15 with SMTP id o15mr2409219wah.96.1222482587618; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap8.p4.sca.7sys.net ( [66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m17sm13965777waf.35.2008.09.26.19.29.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48dd9a9a.11bd720a.38e2.ffffa032@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: CP Halloweekends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ZZHwhwmJBaHaSaHEsEdV4pj8KVZLP_0LYBxNvCdD_y0HBShF_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Halloweekends fridays are usually really dead. Closing weekend friday is usually even more so. This year could easily become the exception since it falls on Halloween, but my guess would be that the people will flock to the haunt zones more than the rides that night. This years closing is going to be an interesting one, crowd wise. Josh --- Original Message --- From:"Nate Kohlrusch" Sent:Fri 9/26/08 9:28 pm To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: CP Halloweekends > Have you never seen pictures of that night? No, I haven't, which is why I ask. SFGAm is frequently slow on Friday nights during Fright Fest. Meanwhile, the park is packed on Saturdays and Sundays. Obviously CP will be busy as heck on Saturdays (and Saturday nights). But are Friday nights - when the ride selection is greatly limited compared to Sat and Sun - also horribly busy? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 26 19:34:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37205 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 02:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 02:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 02:34:27 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so1470590wfd.32 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.142.16 with SMTP id p16mr940058wfd.284.1222482867629; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.153.9 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:34:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48dd9a9a.11bd720a.38e2.ffffa032@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48dd9a9a.11bd720a.38e2.ffffa032@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: CP Halloweekends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=nZgMW2jH1jPFkQFzsaWvtsiNI4Ft5S0wd4WijYkfhhbAnaq1uix5e2E X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Halloweekends fridays are usually really dead. Closing weekend friday is > usually even more so. This year could easily become the exception since it > falls on Halloween, but my guess would be that the people will flock to the > haunt zones more than the rides that night. Yeah, I guess that's the question. Are people more likely to flock to CP on Halloween night or are they more likely to stay home and do more traditional Halloween stuff? Should be interesting, for sure, but it's encouraging to hear Friday nights are typically slow (as I suspected they might be). 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--YCalReminder=pgSXzeA6mtcsIoT6iOiC9mmMB1222494075-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 06:08:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56027 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 13:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 13:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 13:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 13:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 13:08:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:08:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: QUESTION: CP Halloweekends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=_6CUWcHCThX6x5egdKshVRVcWlIUMPhd9ZE7ku0DBSzRvBIKDg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 SFGAm's attendance tends to ramp up as the month grows old. ie: First=20 weekend is usually dead, 2nd weekend is usually normal, last 2 weekends=20 are usually a madhouse. I suppose that CP could lose some attendance to=20 people doing 'traditional' trick-or-treating, but you'll never catch me=20 in that park at that time of year. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > Have you never seen pictures of that night? >=20 > No, I haven't, which is why I ask. >=20 > SFGAm is frequently slow on Friday nights during Fright Fest. > Meanwhile, the park is packed on Saturdays and Sundays. Obviously CP > will be busy as heck on Saturdays (and Saturday nights). But are > Friday nights - when the ride selection is greatly limited compared to > Sat and Sun - also horribly busy? >=20 > -Nate > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 12:27:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9727 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 19:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 19:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 19:27:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58228 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2008 19:27:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1UCpfpgVM1mRnLaJ4IxuzF5odlddQ7_AQMG9u0jZTRqnz.FL74awzSGW9ywPz.zPEmarRzSRdDDP2MrZq922vNnEp6ou6rJts3xbCm92nDaNvJF9aXPMCCW_cqzY1WDlJNeC9Stj9a4QRWwx9E4CHIlA2AFmdqqx5pds154CTQXf0pw- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:27:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <547381.56345.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Kemah update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=PjhzfaMWiPZePRBUI387kKuZdKPsgHkQonQLXv-WBrHop3CRXPeC X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme On the CarouselHorse Yahoo group, a guy named Dan from Kemah just posted this update on the park's condition: "I have a crew at the park working right now. The parts of the roller coaster were moved 6 feet. The carousel was a Chance and it's true some of the animals were found on the beach 2 miles away. "The park did have a great year not a rough year and was getting ready to add more rides this winter. The park received a lot of damage but isn't totaled. Plus many of the rides including the carousel was being looked at for replacement before the storm. "The rebuilding has already started. Parts have been ordered to fix the roller coaster and a the new carousel that was already being looked at before the storm to replace the Chance is now in TX. "Talk about moving fast." From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 19:35:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11890 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 02:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 02:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 02:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 02:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 02:35:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:35:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: QUESTION: CP Halloweekends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=602cobjzuA6wFyyxGcs-XFXisFbfynI6O2gBAp5gOJuWF5SjXfRJ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Nate, Friday nights are pretty much always dead over halloweekends. (Just=20 ask George - haha.) I would imagine that Halloween night would be=20 rather dead as well. Most families will stay at home trick or=20 treating and you will most likely have a predominantly high school=20 crowd.=20=20 Even people who are making a weekend gettaway of CP will not show up=20 til saturday, as most are driving in Fri night after work. However... Some of the most crowded days that I have *ever* seen at=20 CP have been weekends in october. Ask Beth about our trip a few=20 years ago, or Jeremy D. about last year. But these are typically=20 limited to extremely nice, 70 degree and sunny weekends where people=20 in a 4 hour radius hear the forecast and say "hey, lets take that=20 weekend trip to CP that we never did over the summer, it's supposed=20 to be really nice this weekend." You will want to stay far away on=20 those Sat and Sun's, but Fridays are almost always dead. As for the weekend after halloween, we were planning on going at=20 least once to close out the season, provided we don't do anything=20 alse that weekend. From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Sep 27 22:41:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24984 invoked by uid 7800); 28 Sep 2008 05:41:09 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 2008 05:41:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1222580469.20.24978.m48@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2008 IAAPA Summer Meeting, 9/28/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=LgSXzeA6mtcsIoH6iOiC9mmCU1222580467-1" --YCalReminder=LgSXzeA6mtcsIoH6iOiC9mmCU1222580467-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=43AKLStYHPRJTfLyQlVTeS1M5YL1222840215-1-- From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Oct 01 08:06:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98131 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 15:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 15:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.233) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 15:06:33 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so605849rvb.7 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:06:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.43.5 with SMTP id v5mr4447231rvj.216.1222873592922; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:06:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:06:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1222840222.10.83200.m55@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1222840222.10.83200.m55@yahoogroups.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] IAAPA Euro Attractions Show, 10/1/2008, 12:00 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=_nF0lmoO9FhL6yPpVfNLEBDSu-85jv2r2MN8aTr4tlDbVB6s-eJfXYE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > Title: IAAPA Euro Attractions Show > Repeats: This event repeats every day until Thursday October 2, 2008. It it possible to set this up to remind us twice or more per day? I haven't heard enough about it yet. -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 22:16:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70376 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 05:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 05:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 05:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2008 05:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2008 05:16:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:16:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: IAAPA Euro Attractions Show, 10/1/2008, 12:00 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=GZWmNhQRWIIVTaI9uyCkDfTNLjhUMqP6vKlUjCLzmUWMhter5w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I almost forgot about it until the 5th reminder, myself.=20 ;) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > > > Title: IAAPA Euro Attractions Show > > Repeats: This event repeats every day until Thursday October 2,=20 2008. >=20 > It it possible to set this up to remind us twice or more per day? I > haven't heard enough about it yet. >=20 > -Nate > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Oct 01 22:50:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10837 invoked by uid 7800); 2 Oct 2008 05:50:37 -0000 Date: 2 Oct 2008 05:50:37 -0000 Message-ID: <1222926637.11.10836.m53@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: IAAPA Euro Attractions Show, 10/2/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=23AILStYHPQJTfLyQlVTeS1M5HF1222926629-1" --YCalReminder=23AILStYHPQJTfLyQlVTeS1M5HF1222926629-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal IAAPA Euro Attractions Show Thursday October 2, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every day until Thursday October 2, 2008.) Location: Munich, Germany All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=23AILStYHPQJTfLyQlVTeS1M5HF1222926629-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=23AILStYHPQJTfLyQlVTeS1M5HF1222926629-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 01 23:04:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83315 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 06:04:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 06:04:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 06:04:57 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so1001410wff.3 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:04:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.165.14 with SMTP id n14mr3298590wfe.100.1222927496831; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:04:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810012304i42a037d4x60d784f3c3b8d0c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:04:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1222926637.11.10836.m53@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1222926637.11.10836.m53@yahoogroups.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] IAAPA Euro Attractions Show, 10/2/2008, 12:00 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=T3m7UKZuMZO_ykfu5Z_RDOtTO_NHtjUqgT53TKEXEEfF8XkiEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Just in case anyone forgot, between the time Nate and Chris replied, and now.... On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:50 AM, wrote: > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > Title: IAAPA Euro Attractions Show > > Date: Thursday October 2, 2008 > Time: All Day > Repeats: This event repeats every day until Thursday October 2, 2008. > Location: Munich, Germany > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder options > Copyright (c) 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | > Privacy Policy From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Oct 02 07:36:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57958 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 14:36:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 14:36:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.224) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 14:36:53 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so1041727rvb.9 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:36:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.210.21 with SMTP id m21mr5343707rvq.23.1222958213047; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:36:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.97.9 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:36:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810012304i42a037d4x60d784f3c3b8d0c1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1222926637.11.10836.m53@yahoogroups.com> <76e1ec0a0810012304i42a037d4x60d784f3c3b8d0c1@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] IAAPA Euro Attractions Show, 10/2/2008, 12:00 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=mvcK4WSx6fxcqP9Vm6KRt6Y_CDym6NlOrGxW8JM4vuUnKMak6vb8UaI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Just in case anyone forgot, between the time Nate and Chris replied, and > now.... >> Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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If only we would have had one more notice! -Nate From lgdebbie@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 09:32:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lgdebbie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80904 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 16:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2008 16:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 16:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2008 16:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2008 16:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2008 16:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2008 16:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2008 16:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2008 16:32:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:32:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.197.61.138 From: "lgdebbie" Subject: intro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194556388; y=ZZEyiOoUTFp6BPf9JgIV5G4yq3KLsb-Q_pMJQiVrRN0cq6g X-Yahoo-Profile: lgdebbie new member here ...seeking friends Ny / NJ area=20 From smitha.878@gmail.com Sun Oct 05 22:57:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: smitha.878@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12511 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 05:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2008 05:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qb-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.204.226) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 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u=362015217; y=BlVDJ8biyiKM078cO2n7qdB5qkez4fdeBbtePLrOGSARpwrH X-Yahoo-Profile: kings_768 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *KNOW SOME POINTS OF CHINA LANGUAGE * * * *CLICK HERE *** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Oct 05 23:17:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95547 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 06:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2008 06:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 06:17:15 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so2705791rvb.2 for ; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.187.14 with SMTP id k14mr1775215wff.71.1223273833798; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:17:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810052317g428841d1tc3ca3d8b0ab6a33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:17:13 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <305e9e9a0810052257u515f052al71d9214c32d2fe62@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <305e9e9a0810052257u515f052al71d9214c32d2fe62@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KNOW SOME POINTS OF CHINA LANGUAGE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=iY3OPoRXZt7yKmwYcxi9kLGpSlS1g3NltWyHtEbCRWxiMq4Wqw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Sweet, but will it send me anniversary reminders 17 times a day?? On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:57 AM, smitha smitha wrote: > *KNOW SOME POINTS OF CHINA > LANGUAGE > * > > * * > > *CLICK HERE *** > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Oct 06 05:02:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99062 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 12:02:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2008 12:02:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 12:02:28 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kmomu-0006R3-0E for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:02:08 -0400 Message-ID: <48E9FE3B.6000009@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:02:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <305e9e9a0810052257u515f052al71d9214c32d2fe62@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0810052317g428841d1tc3ca3d8b0ab6a33@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810052317g428841d1tc3ca3d8b0ab6a33@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a1d60cfd4d8c56d7a0a77c3dcce8cb43e876581b6605c016350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KNOW SOME POINTS OF CHINA LANGUAGE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Kz1bCziXx7iuV6LeqmfhMIKcVdFr6S03HbTUjCZdNJwgB00 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash No but it just earned them a free banned trip to China! :P Josh W wrote: > > > Sweet, but will it send me anniversary reminders 17 times a day?? > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:57 AM, smitha smitha > wrote: > > *KNOW SOME POINTS OF CHINA From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 11:14:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1554 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 18:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2008 18:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 18:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2008 18:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2008 18:14:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:14:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.138.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: intro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=xWLBgzF_4o8_MxCBgIHk9NUG2cbisnGBM4YMcZ4b6H65S2qZArf7 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "lgdebbie" =20 wrote: > > new member here ...seeking friends Ny / NJ area I'm from Jersey, although I don't post on here much...welcome, Debbie. Mike > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 16:54:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23549 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 23:54:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 23:54:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 23:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 23:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 23:54:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:54:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.192.232 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: SFNE clears height hurdle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9nHBa81tjn6LdkbUsN7O2IWxOMt8Z6ylX1msu9jzUVTRziGmQjNX X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme They can now build rides up to 200 feet tall without a special permit: Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 16:56:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29394 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 23:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 23:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 23:56:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 23:56:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 23:56:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:56:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.192.232 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags sinks to new low X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=avSqJezoGMxDqnp6vfDeLg2fmhPAv-dKN3s9XiK4r6hyD1DUQowc X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For those keeping track, Six Flags finished the day on Wall Street at 44 ce= nts a share. Ouch.... Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Oct 07 16:57:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65743 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 23:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 23:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 23:57:25 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c8so190153ana.14 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:57:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.138.4 with SMTP id l4mr757649and.53.1223423845199; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:57:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810071657n2167e2b2q2dd7d60dccaef715@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:57:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFNE clears height hurdle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=aI-jK_MO-Q8VjBb8OrECS84Y2n4Ly4cP7iEMQqO_rY8ncoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska hopefully now we wont have a repeat of that dark knight disaster. On 10/7/08, jay_ducharme wrote: > They can now build rides up to 200 feet tall without a special permit: > > 16/1223369711323470.xml&coll=1> > > Jay > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Oct 07 16:59:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73680 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 23:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 23:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 23:59:52 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so7469326gxk.2 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:59:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.251.13 with SMTP id y13mr758545anh.93.1223423991839; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810071659r5d1e1aactaa3bd49078c39e71@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:59:51 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags sinks to new low X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=_9-rLbtjXEPMwiput85z1N29EmLkM0OeAFjEVUEacpalHjE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska but this time its more the economys fault than theirs. look how the dow sunk today. On 10/7/08, jay_ducharme wrote: > For those keeping track, Six Flags finished the day on Wall Street at 44 > cents a share. > > Ouch.... > > Jay > > From lance@screamscape.com Wed Oct 08 06:59:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18432 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 13:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2008 13:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0106.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 13:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0106.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1B1475A76 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:59:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 X-Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm22.48e403c5.d4baa for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:59:16 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI7Ly0w4lhSwIAAAAB,46c570e316e95eb3d236743629975965 Message-ID: <8E56DCEBBA324D779C858074AAC5313D@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:59:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFNE clears height hurdle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=eHL9IvrlxB_m-djmQB5VngDIRCqupHojJOvXa2woSXJtahkJ846VKkW-8A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance that's the prelim vote... still need a final vote later this month ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay_ducharme" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFNE clears height hurdle They can now build rides up to 200 feet tall without a special permit: Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 09 06:12:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85425 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 13:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 13:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 13:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KnvJz-0006bt-Hk for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:12:51 -0400 Message-ID: <48EE0349.4060104@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:12:41 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a1d60cfd4d8c56d7442bf967ce754fdb357c0ec3287b98c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: News: YoYo rides recalled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=vXeiZo7W5ywpBNTF4BTinwhufHRvrXoQTmBBWfHJPvQr4kU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i2X20qgDe_1BlEI5fVW87yoMgAxgD93MD5U80 Yo-Yo amusement park rides recalled By NATASHA T. METZLER – 21 hours ago WASHINGTON (AP) — An amusement park ride manufacturer Wednesday recalled about 85 Yo-Yo rides to repair defects involved in two accidents. The Yo-Yo ride made by Chance Rides Manufacturing Inc., based in Wichita, Kan., has a series of metal arms extending from a rotating hub. A chair is attached to the end of each arm by a chain, and the arms and chairs swing outward as the hub rotates and picks up speed. In May, a Yo-Yo ride collapsed at the Calaveras County Fair and Jumping Frog Jubilee in Angels Camp, Calif., injuring 23 people. In March 2006, a Yo-Yo ride at Six Flags Over Texas in Arlington, Texas, also malfunctioned. Nine people were injured, sustaining bruises and back and neck strains, according to reports from the Texas Department of Insurance. Chance Rides Manufacturing will give ride owners and state regulators kits to help inspect and repair defective rides, the Consumer Product Safety Commission announced Wednesday. The company will also offer new maintenance guidelines for the rides. Jeff Roth, vice president of administration for Chance Rides Manufacturing, said the kits will help owners and operators identify problems. "We are pleased to bring that to market to allow the owners of Yo-Yo rides to keep them safe for the future," he said. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 09 06:14:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57880 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 13:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 13:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 13:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KnvL6-0000EW-9P for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:14:00 -0400 Message-ID: <48EE038E.8070401@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:13:50 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a1d60cfd4d8c56d7e68b3afba1518e6072fee374a2a11089350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: rare animal cages uncovered at Dreamland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=HpN8fOJPT2dtsIYwjGTtdwvpyHDMvjUarmm_JisA2FakiNU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kol08/article/default.asp?article_id=49415 The 'cave' animal cages uncovered in Margate by Nick Evans Stone circus caves dating from the 19th century have been uncovered on a Kent funfair site. The Victorian animal cages have been uncovered at the back of Dreamland amusement park in Margate. They were built by showman and circus owner 'Lord’ George Sanger in the 1880s, when he owned the site as the Hall By The Sea and housed lions, tigers and bears as part of its zoo. Forming part of the rear boundary wall, backing on to the railway line, the cages were rediscovered when workmen began clearing trees and undergrowth in that area of the amusement park. It’s thought to be nearly 20 years since the cages were last visible. They have now been granted a six-month temporary listing while Thanet Council works to get a full preservation order on them. Thanet Council’s heritage adviser Nick Dermott said: "We believe the cages to be very rare. According to the Bartlett Society, which records the history of zoos in this country, they are the only ones of their kind remaining." From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Oct 09 07:06:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89632 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 14:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 14:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 14:06:15 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so36087rvb.54 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.226.13 with SMTP id y13mr142393rvg.2.1223561175743; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:06:15 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48EE0349.4060104@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <48EE0349.4060104@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: YoYo rides recalled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=8WOWc_-NNGzNg4yVRiyb17_hinFzZNkG4sKqRu4nX-CBUYUwdw4-Fic X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > WASHINGTON (AP) =97 An amusement park ride manufacturer Wednesday recalle= d > about 85 Yo-Yo rides to repair defects involved in two accidents. > > The Yo-Yo ride made by Chance Rides Manufacturing Inc., based in > Wichita, Kan., has a series of metal arms extending from a rotating hub. 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--YCalReminder=4X18aXtsDenxlKwpjAAgiL2fNP1223617827-1-- From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Oct 11 21:52:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33144 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 04:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 04:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 04:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 04:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 04:52:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:52:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=KAwfhV-qpSVeokw7zq-u7CJStkczuoeNVi5NnVVIxNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj I was at Worlds of Fun last weekend, Kings Island this weekend. I have bee= n using the=20 roller coaster physics app for my iPhone. I was shocked at this result. S= o I have posted=20 the Graphic for the rest of you to see. The iPhone captures a MAGNITUDE of acceleration at 20 hz. So every 20 "cou= nts"=20 represents one second of the given acceleration range. According to the engineers at Holiday world < 0.25g is "airtime."=20 According to my iPhone: The Racer has a little less then 5.5 seconds of air time. The Mamba has a little more then 3 seconds.=20=20 I didn't see that one coming! SNAP Here is the graph: "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVneYvVa M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Oct 11 23:51:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31877 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 06:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 06:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 06:50:56 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v33so641909wah.2 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:50:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.149.2 with SMTP id w2mr3891439wad.92.1223794256350; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap6.p4.sca.7sys.net ([66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m17sm10059749waf.35.2008.10.11.23.50.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48f19e4f.11bd720a.66fd.4771@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=46mTyxM4Sk6tVjcyEvUEjS9-9Oq-4tT3lLIBzGyOoLN2TQZNTA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Who cares? Are they fun? 3 or 5.5 seconds of airtime is more than you'd get sitting on your couch so whatever. Josh --- Original Message --- From:"Jon Osborn" Sent:Sun 10/12/08 12:53 am To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] Mamba vs. Racer I was at Worlds of Fun last weekend, Kings Island this weekend. I have been using the roller coaster physics app for my iPhone. I was shocked at this result. So I have posted the Graphic for the rest of you to see. The iPhone captures a MAGNITUDE of acceleration at 20 hz. So every 20 "counts" represents one second of the given acceleration range. According to the engineers at Holiday world < 0.25g is "airtime." According to my iPhone: The Racer has a little less then 5.5 seconds of air time. The Mamba has a little more then 3 seconds. I didn't see that one coming! SNAP Here is the graph: "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVneYvVa M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" From jjloj@netzero.net Sun Oct 12 21:18:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4534 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 04:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 04:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 04:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 04:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 04:17:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:17:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48f19e4f.11bd720a.66fd.4771@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=awr5oY1xaMqxIUZDLQdmY3e9e3FcqgyHwKoiMD_yxmY X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj I care. The post was mostly a WTF! reaction to the data.=20=20 This is a discussion group about roller coasters. I have collected some ha= rd data and=20 wanted to share it. If we are not going to discuss hard data what should w= e discuss? I bet everyone here would say the a bad day riding coasters is more fun th= en a good day=20 doing most anything else. That is kind of a given.=20=20 I suppose if you want to take the subject line the wrong way then you could= translate it=20 "Mamba sucks." Not the message. The real message was: SNAP my assumptions = were that=20 far off! I would like to suggest these as possible "positive" discussions: Worlds of Fun - A park with out an "air time only" coaster. Isn't that coo= l? Helix turn around - fad or fabulous The Racer - 36 years and still racy I was actually hoping someone else would look at the data and start some th= oughts. I am=20 still processing other data and digesting it myself.=20=20 Look if all this group is supposed to be about is call all coaster great, a= nnouncing the=20 openings and closings then I will take my data and go elsewhere. I can onl= y get to about=20 two new parks a year and I need to know which to do and which to skip. Tha= t is why I am=20 here. Ride on! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, josh.wozny@... wrote: > > Who cares? Are they fun? 3 or 5.5 seconds of airtime is more than you'd g= et sitting on=20 your couch so whatever. >=20 >=20 > Josh >=20 > --- Original Message --- > From:"Jon Osborn" > Sent:Sun 10/12/08 12:53 am > To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] Mamba vs. Racer >=20 > I was at Worlds of Fun last weekend, Kings Island this weekend. I have b= een using the=20 > roller coaster physics app for my iPhone. I was shocked at this result. = So I have posted=20 > the Graphic for the rest of you to see. >=20 > The iPhone captures a MAGNITUDE of acceleration at 20 hz. So every 20 "c= ounts"=20 > represents one second of the given acceleration range. >=20 > According to the engineers at Holiday world < 0.25g is "airtime."=20 >=20 >=20 > According to my iPhone: >=20 > The Racer has a little less then 5.5 seconds of air time. >=20 > The Mamba has a little more then 3 seconds.=20=20 >=20 > I didn't see that one coming! >=20 > SNAP >=20 > Here is the graph: >=20 "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVneYvVa > M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" > From jjloj@netzero.net Sun Oct 12 21:34:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69361 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 04:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 04:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 04:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 04:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 04:34:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:34:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Mamba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=LnHXh5oUcFPR4VUajCyFQQMdMynnAh1ZjKTM6DzRwP8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj I have another graph that I have shared. It show the differences in four se= ats of Mamba:=20 Front right, 7th row right and left, back row left. If you like the helix = ride the front, if you=20 want the "air" ride the back. You knew that but having data is nice. 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--YCalReminder=f8tcYN59kFZ8bXFH1223877029-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 06:09:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12347 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 13:09:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 13:09:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 13:09:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 13:09:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 13:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 13:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 13:09:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:09:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Mamba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=N3NVXE6rLOvey9kKYWAtEN1v8UlJZ_HSdQXgsjPaxszWv3QbtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 It could be possible to over analyze our little hobby. IMHO, you've=20 exceeded that threshold. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > I have another graph that I have shared. It show the differences in=20 four seats of Mamba:=20 > Front right, 7th row right and left, back row left. If you like the=20 helix ride the front, if you=20 > want the "air" ride the back. You knew that but having data is nice. >=20 > "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wMfySBrS0KQ1G1dfiH43z411GicgHmldJ8wRwFHH 1LWBIeopz > Hn14gtz80-fajFT066-3-_92x0ACkrYS9GbJ31ATg/Mamba_Seat_Chart.pdf" > From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Oct 13 06:26:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45708 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 13:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 13:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 13:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 13:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 13:26:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:26:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48f19e4f.11bd720a.66fd.4771@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=PNp093Mxv0lOvkBjMHbQrJPQUQr4y9bZ_CPP_qDja1L804NRow X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 I can't seem to get to the picture. How about giving us a tinyurl? > --- Original Message --- > From:"Jon Osborn" >=20 > So I have posted=20 > the Graphic for the rest of you to see. >=20 > Here is the graph: > "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVn eYvVa > M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Oct 13 12:23:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14378 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 19:23:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 19:23:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 19:23:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 19:23:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 19:23:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:23:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=SGkjfGXmwUaFkW4z0CuUjVe8Tsrp5q44zMLH0lMcWHY X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj What "hypothetically" is the reason to post this comment? I have my theories but before I voice them I think you should have a chance= to be more=20 specific yourself. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > It could be possible to over analyze our little hobby. IMHO, you've=20 > exceeded that threshold. >=20 > Chris >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > wrote: > > > > I have another graph that I have shared. It show the differences in=20 > four seats of Mamba:=20 > > Front right, 7th row right and left, back row left. If you like the=20 > helix ride the front, if you=20 > > want the "air" ride the back. You knew that but having data is nice. > >=20 > > "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wMfySBrS0KQ1G1dfiH43z411GicgHmldJ8wRwFHH > 1LWBIeopz > > Hn14gtz80-fajFT066-3-_92x0ACkrYS9GbJ31ATg/Mamba_Seat_Chart.pdf" > > > From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Oct 13 12:25:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45291 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2008 19:25:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:25:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=_etN69DmrBTn49YQ4S2dBXHZW53SUvNlJ6PtQA4c9v8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj I will look at doing that tonight but if you click on files from the grou= p home page and=20 then go to the third and second last files on the list those are them. You= will have to be=20 logged into yahoo. jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" wrote: > > I can't seem to get to the picture. How about giving us a tinyurl? >=20 > > --- Original Message --- > > From:"Jon Osborn" > >=20 > > So I have posted=20 > > the Graphic for the rest of you to see. > >=20 > > Here is the graph: > > "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVn > eYvVa > > M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 17:03:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8566 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 00:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 00:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 00:03:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2393 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2008 00:03:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZIWSAxcVM1l4v0W1boOSSyau3MzGvfxhDJngXGpb3iK5Qse4hHF_FCUTYNcrSFI2MQ-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:03:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:03:36 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <816885.1878.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=zJqWBscCQZYePXbTvsulbn_woptwR_rXcej4Hz8DUD4hbUrz3cGD X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I think your data speaks more to the app than to the actual real-world ramifications. I've been playing around with the app (not on a coaster, though) and I find it difficult to decipher. I see a maximum positive and negative G readout, an average of those and a time counter. But IMO that's not very helpful and there's little else there. There's not even a horizontal time grid to get a precise readout of when the events occurred. As you scroll, the app should show the events registering at the top, as if it were actually happening again. This has a lot of fun potential for coaster enthusiasts, but it's just not very complete yet. (But hey, it's free....) With a little more attention to detail, the app could be really useful for a coaster geek like me. Jay From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Oct 13 20:05:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47089 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 03:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:05:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=ygDU3X0OwuM-WD1itY-Vo2WKxWwQ0ycRsqFcAKmyYow X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Try Here: http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Compare1.htm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" wrote: > > I can't seem to get to the picture. How about giving us a tinyurl? >=20 > > --- Original Message --- > > From:"Jon Osborn" > >=20 > > So I have posted=20 > > the Graphic for the rest of you to see. > >=20 > > Here is the graph: > > "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVn > eYvVa > > M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" > From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Oct 13 20:05:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35836 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 03:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:05:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:05:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=EbSaeu2VDADk1ZZi_idjlNG6O55e94pSxEz24CWA_ic X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Try Here: http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Compare1.htm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" wrote: > > I can't seem to get to the picture. How about giving us a tinyurl? >=20 > > --- Original Message --- > > From:"Jon Osborn" > >=20 > > So I have posted=20 > > the Graphic for the rest of you to see. > >=20 > > Here is the graph: > > "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVn > eYvVa > > M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" > From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Oct 13 20:08:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58245 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 03:08:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 03:08:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 03:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:08:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:08:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <816885.1878.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=bgVmnMGx8N3yI-3vv0oag-QufqmWv4exfuyyddLmsLI X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj I don't even look at the read out. I just e-mail myself the data and put i= t in a spreadsheet.=20=20 It give you 20 samples per second if you look at it there. I can ride on t= he weekends and=20 crunch numbers all week. If I could just ride a motorcycle at the same tim= e life would be=20 perfect! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > I think your data speaks more to the app than to the actual real-world ra= mifications. I've=20 been playing around with the app (not on a coaster, though) and I find it d= ifficult to=20 decipher. I see a maximum positive and negative G readout, an average of t= hose and a=20 time counter. But IMO that's not very helpful and there's little else ther= e. There's not even=20 a horizontal time grid to get a precise readout of when the events occurred= . As you scroll,=20 the app should show the events registering at the top, as if it were actual= ly happening=20 again. >=20 > This has a lot of fun potential for coaster enthusiasts, but it's just no= t very complete yet.=20=20 (But hey, it's free....) With a little more attention to detail, the app c= ould be really useful=20 for a coaster geek like me. >=20 > Jay > From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Oct 13 20:09:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5378 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 03:09:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:09:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <816885.1878.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=qe0ZcEu1-n8W0l63MUK3tLv3uxfYXJANfdNoheOAen0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Oh, yea. What "real world ramifications?" --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > I think your data speaks more to the app than to the actual real-world ra= mifications. I've=20 been playing around with the app (not on a coaster, though) and I find it d= ifficult to=20 decipher. I see a maximum positive and negative G readout, an average of t= hose and a=20 time counter. But IMO that's not very helpful and there's little else ther= e. There's not even=20 a horizontal time grid to get a precise readout of when the events occurred= . As you scroll,=20 the app should show the events registering at the top, as if it were actual= ly happening=20 again. >=20 > This has a lot of fun potential for coaster enthusiasts, but it's just no= t very complete yet.=20=20 (But hey, it's free....) With a little more attention to detail, the app c= ould be really useful=20 for a coaster geek like me. >=20 > Jay > From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Oct 13 20:14:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55056 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 03:14:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 03:14:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-191.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 03:14:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18402 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2008 02:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 02:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KpaMH-0004bh-VY for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:14:06 -0600 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:24:53 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=VI6oCVGfZgvqhRL6bAvK-aXQJ_j7rTXfIDrUwaW3omF5BGjMkZAJ X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Nice chart. Were they taken from multiple rides and averaged together? So, where are all the B&M haters? Patriot clearly has the most reads in the 2-3g range and virtually nothing in the 3+ g range. Hell, Spinning Dragons has more in the 3+ g range. Pretty embarrassing for an inverted coaster, they should be all about positive g's like Batman is. Mike On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > Try Here: > http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Compare1.htm > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" > wrote: >> >> I can't seem to get to the picture. How about giving us a tinyurl? >> >>> --- Original Message --- >>> From:"Jon Osborn" >>> >>> So I have posted >>> the Graphic for the rest of you to see. >>> >>> Here is the graph: >>> "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVn >> eYvVa >>> M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Oct 14 05:30:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85525 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 12:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 12:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 12:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 12:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 12:30:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:30:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=vQSKQTbPLokXTqODV7Ws2u85jl0z0Sf5PgIjqWZL2p0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj No each grouping in that chart represents a single ride. I would probably = have to spend=20 all day on one coaster to get a "real" sample. Besides I don't know how mu= ch I trust this=20 tool for "high g's." It measures magnitude and doesn't give me each compone= nt so I can't=20 factor gravity in or out. A pullout of a vertical element is going to get = more "help" from=20 gravity then a horizontal one. Also the accelerometer is a "little" underd= amped for this=20 work. And I think it is stuck on the 2 g setting (not sure about this thou= gh). It will take a=20 lot of time before I come to those conclusions. You can talk about "airtime" because a low number being held for a period o= f time is not=20 affected by the stuff I just mentioned. If I have over looked something in= that regard point=20 it out to me. You can't really see it on the chart but the front car on b'rang was the on= ly one to make 4=20 g. I don't think it makes it the best coaster in the park. But do draw you own conclusions. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone = wrote: > > Nice chart. Were they taken from multiple rides and averaged together? >=20 > So, where are all the B&M haters? Patriot clearly has the most reads = =20 > in the 2-3g range and virtually nothing in the 3+ g range. Hell,=20=20 > Spinning Dragons has more in the 3+ g range. Pretty embarrassing for = =20 > an inverted coaster, they should be all about positive g's like Batman = =20 > is. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: >=20 > > Try Here: > > http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Compare1.htm > > > > > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" =20=20 > > wrote: > >> > >> I can't seem to get to the picture. How about giving us a tinyurl? > >> > >>> --- Original Message --- > >>> From:"Jon Osborn" > >>> > >>> So I have posted > >>> the Graphic for the rest of you to see. > >>> > >>> Here is the graph: > >>>=20 "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QHbxSOTpcVbb1Ugd0OQReX23rXk5pGDMw_P9xFVn > >> eYvVa > >>> M6rdpw-4aLLwbdKWnziNAwU0RaUHVp839uDPqDm6UbpnA/image002.png" > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoas= terTalk > > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the=20=20 > > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo!=20=20 > > Groups Links > > > > > > > From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 10:57:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8674 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 17:57:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 17:57:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 17:57:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 17:57:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 17:57:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 17:57:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 17:57:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:57:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=5soNuYfYESyM2bESnLgtv2r3QaKkBHdTy1yKjWlpCFWhdBx5okk1x04 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Hey I finally entered the modern era of myspace and think it would be=20 cool to see some of your pages, not to mention I could use some=20 Mobsters, LOL! Email me if interested as I have my profile set to=20 private.=20=20 Thanks Matt From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue Oct 14 11:47:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31471 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 18:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 18:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 18:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 18:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2008 18:47:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:47:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=NLIuUrpNQaqP_gyrBKoauooTjnZKbP0QBzpse6jWvKSzWJGzKg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Ah, thanks. I hadn't realized you posted the files to our group. OK then, one can interpret this data a few ways. First off, your criterion that <0.25g =3D airtime (just because Holiday=20 World said so). I dunno, since I've never ridden a coaster with my=20 own personal accelerometer. But maybe 0.3 still feels like floating=20 air. The charts you show group together events where g is between .25=20 and .5. I can't say whether human sensation would make a big=20 distinction between, say, 0.27 and 0.48. I also can't say whether I=20 would call gs between 0.5 and 1 as airtime either. All in all, this is very interesting data. I'd especially enjoy=20 studying data for rides that I'm very familiar with.=20 But just because your cell phone measures more hits at less than 1/4=20 g on Racer than Mamba doesn't convince me that Racer is more of an=20 air-time machine than Mamba. Jon Z (airtime whore) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > ...but if you click on files from the group home page and=20 > then go to the third and second last files on the list those are=20 them.=20=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 13:32:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41461 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 20:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 20:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f20.google.com) (209.85.217.20) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 20:32:49 -0000 X-Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so5716978gxk.12 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:32:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.215.14 with SMTP id n14mr201033ang.119.1224016369036; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:32:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810141332u75858d86u73a4a82f1fce6c47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:32:48 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=A9UGcMUd2sMDc7j0o9UMmjSZbbpnXYCbe_mVh0AEZycwpiw X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Unrelated (because this is the most boring topic weve had in a while) but jon zucker, were you interviewed for this american life the other day? mike On 10/14/08, zucker0615 wrote: > Ah, thanks. I hadn't realized you posted the files to our group. > > OK then, one can interpret this data a few ways. > > First off, your criterion that <0.25g = airtime (just because Holiday > World said so). I dunno, since I've never ridden a coaster with my > own personal accelerometer. But maybe 0.3 still feels like floating > air. > > The charts you show group together events where g is between .25 > and .5. I can't say whether human sensation would make a big > distinction between, say, 0.27 and 0.48. I also can't say whether I > would call gs between 0.5 and 1 as airtime either. > > All in all, this is very interesting data. I'd especially enjoy > studying data for rides that I'm very familiar with. > > But just because your cell phone measures more hits at less than 1/4 > g on Racer than Mamba doesn't convince me that Racer is more of an > air-time machine than Mamba. > > > Jon Z (airtime whore) > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" > wrote: >> >> ...but if you click on files from the group home page and >> then go to the third and second last files on the list those are > them. > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 13:37:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29547 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 20:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 20:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 20:37:27 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d17so188881and.28 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:37:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.47.6 with SMTP id u6mr61829wfu.300.1224016647094; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:37:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810141337u54faa7a8w3f68bd5f63a913f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:37:27 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810141332u75858d86u73a4a82f1fce6c47@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0810141332u75858d86u73a4a82f1fce6c47@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=YQ9JhfW7xh5yRz8qKELjK-C551PO1q67pGBz22V5xteWgGasRA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Agreed, this topic is kind of a snooze-fest. I hate to ask the iPhone owners to take it to private emails, but if that is possible I'd be grateful. I don't want to hear "if you don't like it, don't read it" because if I start deleting emails, I might miss something that's actually interesting to talk about. Josh On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > Unrelated (because this is the most boring topic weve had in a while) > but jon zucker, were you interviewed for this american life the other > day? > > mike > > On 10/14/08, zucker0615 wrote: >> Ah, thanks. I hadn't realized you posted the files to our group. >> >> OK then, one can interpret this data a few ways. >> >> First off, your criterion that <0.25g = airtime (just because Holiday >> World said so). I dunno, since I've never ridden a coaster with my >> own personal accelerometer. But maybe 0.3 still feels like floating >> air. >> >> The charts you show group together events where g is between .25 >> and .5. I can't say whether human sensation would make a big >> distinction between, say, 0.27 and 0.48. I also can't say whether I >> would call gs between 0.5 and 1 as airtime either. >> >> All in all, this is very interesting data. I'd especially enjoy >> studying data for rides that I'm very familiar with. >> >> But just because your cell phone measures more hits at less than 1/4 >> g on Racer than Mamba doesn't convince me that Racer is more of an >> air-time machine than Mamba. >> >> >> Jon Z (airtime whore) >> >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" >> wrote: >>> >>> ...but if you click on files from the group home page and >>> then go to the third and second last files on the list those are >> them. >> >> > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:33:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69764 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 21:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 21:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 21:33:40 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so5949079gxk.13 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:33:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr30377wfh.176.1224020019618; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:33:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810141433n7d19c8ah8bf4f394d05b6819@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:33:39 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ihmhvKIIPAU7e1AMBvVcDkmRP3avomFghLZp1wrN0sfYj5b5kw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny This is an idea I can actually get behind. We used to have a group members section on the website (long since neglected) with pictures and the like - MySpace/Facebook could probably help fill in that void, perhaps? Mine's private for a variety of reasons - none of them very good, other than not wanting creeps looking on :-D http://www.myspace.com/ghostlabsjosh On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Matt wrote: > Hey I finally entered the modern era of myspace and think it would be > cool to see some of your pages, not to mention I could use some > Mobsters, LOL! Email me if interested as I have my profile set to > private. > Thanks > Matt > > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Oct 14 18:23:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99535 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 01:23:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:23:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810141337u54faa7a8w3f68bd5f63a913f5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=kS_JlgfubbjYlIFe5UgVQjQeH2hsLM5xrfpHmjk4fUE X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj If not data what would one want to discuss here? If one is not exchanging facts then what? Opinions? The are almost always useless, and discussing them is always wor= thless=20 because a person is the most expert of there own opinions. What is the point of a discussion group about roller coaster if you don't t= alk about=20 acceleration? How can you talk about acceleration if you don't measure it. To me a roller coaster is an acceleration and jerk machine, that is what th= ey do.=20=20 What are they to you, and from that what should be discussed? This is an h= onest question=20 as if my data belongs elsewhere I will take it elsewhere, but that will mak= e this a pointless=20 place for me, unless it servers some other purpose, that needs to be articu= lated.=20=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" wrote: > > Agreed, this topic is kind of a snooze-fest. I hate to ask the iPhone > owners to take it to private emails, but if that is possible I'd be > grateful. >=20 > I don't want to hear "if you don't like it, don't read it" because if > I start deleting emails, I might miss something that's actually > interesting to talk about. >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > > Unrelated (because this is the most boring topic weve had in a while) > > but jon zucker, were you interviewed for this american life the other > > day? > > > > mike > > > > On 10/14/08, zucker0615 wrote: > >> Ah, thanks. I hadn't realized you posted the files to our group. > >> > >> OK then, one can interpret this data a few ways. > >> > >> First off, your criterion that <0.25g =3D airtime (just because Holida= y > >> World said so). I dunno, since I've never ridden a coaster with my > >> own personal accelerometer. But maybe 0.3 still feels like floating > >> air. > >> > >> The charts you show group together events where g is between .25 > >> and .5. I can't say whether human sensation would make a big > >> distinction between, say, 0.27 and 0.48. I also can't say whether I > >> would call gs between 0.5 and 1 as airtime either. > >> > >> All in all, this is very interesting data. I'd especially enjoy > >> studying data for rides that I'm very familiar with. > >> > >> But just because your cell phone measures more hits at less than 1/4 > >> g on Racer than Mamba doesn't convince me that Racer is more of an > >> air-time machine than Mamba. > >> > >> > >> Jon Z (airtime whore) > >> > >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ...but if you click on files from the group home page and > >>> then go to the third and second last files on the list those are > >> them. > >> > >> > > > > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 18:25:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34695 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 01:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 01:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 01:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kpv8K-0004Ai-7O for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:25:04 -0400 Message-ID: <48F54664.7000009@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:24:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0810141332u75858d86u73a4a82f1fce6c47@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0810141337u54faa7a8w3f68bd5f63a913f5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810141337u54faa7a8w3f68bd5f63a913f5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a929805ce6567a2db047f6528de71b09361350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FhnC9PyhIMqne_QT8BpE17eKAIEGKx8Lkenmdj7IPnp32HM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > Agreed, this topic is kind of a snooze-fest. I hate to ask the iPhone > owners to take it to private emails, but if that is possible I'd be > grateful. > > I don't want to hear "if you don't like it, don't read it" because if > I start deleting emails, I might miss something that's actually > interesting to talk about. > Sorry, but that's exactly what I'm going to tell you. Just because you don't find a conversation interesting doesn't mean that others don't. I've found it very interesting, but have nothing to add as I don't have an IPhone, don't have the app, and haven't been on either coaster being compared. And in light of the tons of other interesting conversations going on the list lately, I'm happy to see anything being discussed. Sure, some conversations are more interesting than others, but that doesn't mean they should be taken to private just because YOU don't find them interesting. In fact, I personally reserve the right to ask such conversations to be taken to private, and would politely ask that others not do so themselves. There is nothing wrong, inappropriate, or improper about the conversation in any way at all. So if those partaking want to continue to do so, please feel free. (side note- I'm getting a bit frustrated when certain people chime in with comments asking others to quit posting, and then wonder why the list is quiet. Well duh! Please, if you're about to send a message to someone or the list asking them in any way to refrain from posting or talking, stop, think about it, and then delete the message or send it to me personally. Don't post it to the list as it IS inappropriate to do so. Sorry Josh for zeroing in on you since it was your post, but you are certainly not the only one who has done so. I can think of a couple of others as well- which is why I'm sending this to the list, and I really don't want to see it again from anyone. George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 18:27:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97352 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 01:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 01:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 01:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KpvAN-0001kJ-Rw for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:27:11 -0400 Message-ID: <48F546E4.2070603@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:27:00 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76e1ec0a0810141433n7d19c8ah8bf4f394d05b6819@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810141433n7d19c8ah8bf4f394d05b6819@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a920385a75f2557c892a5fd2dd310e90ef2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=lk81a9xKtPVjkHV3rIW7GXP5foQl3G_8vdy1YwvqtIslSCI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > This is an idea I can actually get behind. We used to have a group > members section on the website (long since neglected) with pictures > and the like - It's still there, and it's open for just about anyone to add to it. It's not hard to do. I'd love to see more people add contributions to it. keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 18:46:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36542 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 01:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 01:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 01:46:53 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2611225wfc.24 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:46:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.72.21 with SMTP id u21mr142493wfa.161.1224035213372; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:46:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810141846n471d175blef9bb2138256ca15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:46:53 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F54664.7000009@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0810141332u75858d86u73a4a82f1fce6c47@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0810141337u54faa7a8w3f68bd5f63a913f5@mail.gmail.com> <48F54664.7000009@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=b1QY1j2L-7FWSqLc0hkcH_PQjnMnmMmdsBiu5n2MXXapuqYpyg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Sorry, I guess I was just reverting to the days when I was a moderator on the original list. My bad. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:24 PM, george burnash wrote: > Josh W wrote: >> >> >> Agreed, this topic is kind of a snooze-fest. I hate to ask the iPhone >> owners to take it to private emails, but if that is possible I'd be >> grateful. >> >> I don't want to hear "if you don't like it, don't read it" because if >> I start deleting emails, I might miss something that's actually >> interesting to talk about. >> > > Sorry, but that's exactly what I'm going to tell you. Just because you > don't find a conversation interesting doesn't mean that others don't. > I've found it very interesting, but have nothing to add as I don't have > an IPhone, don't have the app, and haven't been on either coaster being > compared. > > And in light of the tons of other interesting conversations going on the > list lately, I'm happy to see anything being discussed. Sure, some > conversations are more interesting than others, but that doesn't mean > they should be taken to private just because YOU don't find them > interesting. > > In fact, I personally reserve the right to ask such conversations to be > taken to private, and would politely ask that others not do so > themselves. There is nothing wrong, inappropriate, or improper about > the conversation in any way at all. So if those partaking want to > continue to do so, please feel free. > > (side note- I'm getting a bit frustrated when certain people chime in > with comments asking others to quit posting, and then wonder why the > list is quiet. Well duh! Please, if you're about to send a message to > someone or the list asking them in any way to refrain from posting or > talking, stop, think about it, and then delete the message or send it to > me personally. Don't post it to the list as it IS inappropriate to do > so. Sorry Josh for zeroing in on you since it was your post, but you > are certainly not the only one who has done so. I can think of a couple > of others as well- which is why I'm sending this to the list, and I > really don't want to see it again from anyone. > > George > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Oct 14 18:50:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19871 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 01:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 01:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 01:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 01:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 01:50:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:50:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=FqcogkQYSjVB694E3_iAfafH429YfLp2qKh2yk2AkBc X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" wrote: > > Ah, thanks. I hadn't realized you posted the files to our group. >=20 > OK then, one can interpret this data a few ways. >=20 As with all things, half empty, half full, completely full, half with air..= .. > First off, your criterion that <0.25g =3D airtime (just because Holiday=20 > World said so). I dunno, since I've never ridden a coaster with my=20 > own personal accelerometer. But maybe 0.3 still feels like floating=20 > air. >=20 It was the only documented number I could find. Even then I had to ask for= it. I am=20 interested in "airtime" in general way but not enough to try to develop my = own definition=20 for it. I am sure Holiday World chose what it chose to make Voyage look go= od. Since they=20 documented the number I referenced it. That was the only "honest" process = I had to use. > The charts you show group together events where g is between .25=20 > and .5. I can't say whether human sensation would make a big=20 > distinction between, say, 0.27 and 0.48. I also can't say whether I=20 > would call gs between 0.5 and 1 as airtime either. >=20 The accelerometer is underdamped for this purpose. Until I have a chance t= o factory out=20 the natural movement internal to the sensor then I don't want to get more p= recise then=20 =B10.5 g. > All in all, this is very interesting data. I'd especially enjoy=20 > studying data for rides that I'm very familiar with.=20 >=20 Like what, I am headed to Cedar Point on Sunday.... > But just because your cell phone measures more hits at less than 1/4=20 > g on Racer than Mamba doesn't convince me that Racer is more of an=20 > air-time machine than Mamba. >=20 >=20 That was not the point. My assumption was that the four decade old Racer s= houldn't be=20 close the the decade old Mamba, at ANY measurement. I was simply wowed by = the result,=20 thought I would share. I am not trying to declare a given ride the "winner= ." I am just=20 pointing out a set of data that I am not really sure what it means.=20=20 I think the more interesting thing is that the Racer get 5.5 seconds of tim= e at less then=20 0.25 g with only about 9 seconds of time in the range of 0.25 to 0.5. The = back seat of=20 Mamba get 5 seconds of time less then 0.25 g but has almost 12.5 seconds of= time=20 between the 0.25 and 0.5 g's. I have a couple more sets of data to work up= before I drill=20 down more on this, and I expect to have lots more data after this weekend, = but more study=20=20 is required. jjloj > Jon Z (airtime whore) >=20 I never will understand airtime whores but they do ride the ride so you got= ta respect 'em. > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > wrote: > > > > ...but if you click on files from the group home page and=20 > > then go to the third and second last files on the list those are=20 > them. > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 18:57:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87130 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 01:57:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 01:57:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 01:57:22 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so551545yxi.60 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.133.8 with SMTP id g8mr137458wfd.253.1224035841529; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810141857wa146babt2384f8e2a94b500b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:57:21 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F546E4.2070603@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0810141433n7d19c8ah8bf4f394d05b6819@mail.gmail.com> <48F546E4.2070603@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=QH4qkhaBE62FyTeBR2YCrHKBAJGrOclvcohId1xNx1nMUj9GKA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny It needs a complete overhaul and the like. It would be nice to see it in working order again, though I'd have to talk to Nate and see how he feels about that. It was definitely a lot easier to take care of the site when Nate and I actually had access to do so, however. ;-) If we wanted to move away from yahoo altogether and host the site somewhere else, I'm all for that as I have web space available. I also have the capability to completely run an independent e-mail/discussion list, should Yahoo ever decided they want to charge for theirs, or we collectively decide that we're ready to become our "own" group again. If we went down that road, I could set up profiles for people, etc.. I know convincing folks to change from Yahoo to a new self-contained email list server/service is probably not the easiest thing to do, it's always an option. Not to mention I could port the email addresses over from yahoo and most people wouldn't have to even re-sign up. :) I know I should be discussing options like this with George off-list, but I figure if there's enough of an interest in starting up a new website, I could get it going in a matter of hours. Keep in mind that I actually enjoy administering things of this nature, and I'm more than happy to offer a chunk of my hosting for it. I'd expect no monetary compensation for the hosting, unless of course someone was so inclined to donate. :) -Josh On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, george burnash wrote: > Josh W wrote: >> >> >> This is an idea I can actually get behind. We used to have a group >> members section on the website (long since neglected) with pictures >> and the like - > > It's still there, and it's open for just about anyone to add to it. > It's not hard to do. I'd love to see more people add contributions to it. > > keep on ridin' > George > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 19:10:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29021 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 02:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 02:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 02:10:49 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so177501anc.123 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.254.15 with SMTP id b15mr392292ani.35.1224036648642; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810141910h408c6a99s2fd06b313ed0f417@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:10:48 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F54664.7000009@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0810141332u75858d86u73a4a82f1fce6c47@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0810141337u54faa7a8w3f68bd5f63a913f5@mail.gmail.com> <48F54664.7000009@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=3N_0Tp7qfTw_FbDntFwwowv02_dln6loJQRdT1aEei142dE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska To answer Jon's question about why I don't think this topic is interesting in the slightest (and am basically just checking in on it to see if John Zucker really was that guy on This American Life two saturdays ago) I will offer this: Roller coasters, for me, are about fun. I enjoy knowing little tidbits of information about coasters because those facts make the experience more fun for me. This includes height, speed, angles, the names of various inversions, and how many g's a given ride may pull through the intense moments. I understand some people are more into number crunching and I guess some would be interested in knowing how many gs a ride may pull at any given moment, I'm not one of those people. I dropped out of engineering school because it was ruining numbers for me (and now the only math I need to do is how many miles did I just drive in the state car.) And on top of that, I have a hard time believing any figures that you may get from this Iphone app. I believe it may have the ability to tell around how much force the phone may experience, but there has to be at least a .5 discrepancy. It was not made to be an accelerometer, it's just acting like one. I don't care enough about the science to get into a technological discussion on this topic, but I don't really believe the data. One other thing that makes this topic less than interesting to me is that it is comparing a coaster that I rode and didn't enjoy to one that I have no desire to ride. And after the whole 'lets rename coaster types' flame fest, I'm surprised that you're comparing a flat tracked steel on top of wood rails supported by wood clamped with metal coaster using a ball peen hammer, to a steel out and back with a turn and a half twister section. (That was a joke...laugh, don't get mad). And hell, the only air time I felt on the racer were the pot holes and jack hammering that sometimes, randomly, happened at the top of a hill. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 19:15:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80387 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 02:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 02:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.238) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 02:15:58 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c57so2102886wra.9 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.226.19 with SMTP id y19mr338259ang.120.1224036957465; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810141915r6999293m2dbe7d7b90046ab8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:15:57 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810141857wa146babt2384f8e2a94b500b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0810141433n7d19c8ah8bf4f394d05b6819@mail.gmail.com> <48F546E4.2070603@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0810141857wa146babt2384f8e2a94b500b@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=_xr6g5tZZ_JV-G0zwmTzg8bo0rmgNZyUEgbgh8DSYHQoDrk X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska That sounds good to me, I'm freaking sick of reading about the star wars fan sites (on my PDA they show up underneath, instead of on the side) It's like a really lazy attempt at google adverts. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Josh W wrote: > It needs a complete overhaul and the like. It would be nice to see it > in working order again, though I'd have to talk to Nate and see how he > feels about that. It was definitely a lot easier to take care of the > site when Nate and I actually had access to do so, however. ;-) > > If we wanted to move away from yahoo altogether and host the site > somewhere else, I'm all for that as I have web space available. I also > have the capability to completely run an independent e-mail/discussion > list, should Yahoo ever decided they want to charge for theirs, or we > collectively decide that we're ready to become our "own" group again. > If we went down that road, I could set up profiles for people, etc.. > > I know convincing folks to change from Yahoo to a new self-contained > email list server/service is probably not the easiest thing to do, > it's always an option. Not to mention I could port the email addresses > over from yahoo and most people wouldn't have to even re-sign up. :) > > I know I should be discussing options like this with George off-list, > but I figure if there's enough of an interest in starting up a new > website, I could get it going in a matter of hours. > > Keep in mind that I actually enjoy administering things of this > nature, and I'm more than happy to offer a chunk of my hosting for it. > I'd expect no monetary compensation for the hosting, unless of course > someone was so inclined to donate. :) > > -Josh > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, george burnash > wrote: >> Josh W wrote: >>> >>> >>> This is an idea I can actually get behind. We used to have a group >>> members section on the website (long since neglected) with pictures >>> and the like - >> >> It's still there, and it's open for just about anyone to add to it. >> It's not hard to do. I'd love to see more people add contributions to it. >> >> keep on ridin' >> George >> >> > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 19:21:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82150 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 02:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 02:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mu-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.134.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 02:21:02 -0000 X-Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w1so2837697mue.2 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.230.11 with SMTP id c11mr142644wfh.334.1224037260854; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:21:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810141921r5fb6b4ebk44ef28f7eb89bf3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:21:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810141915r6999293m2dbe7d7b90046ab8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0810141433n7d19c8ah8bf4f394d05b6819@mail.gmail.com> <48F546E4.2070603@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0810141857wa146babt2384f8e2a94b500b@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0810141915r6999293m2dbe7d7b90046ab8@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.134.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=3aI4HDZHO114vYkfwTXoPcOGhZyy9rSf5hv-Rdafrx4pewIBDw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Yeah, that's another thing I've been seeing on yahoo and google groups lately, the amount of ad space is INSANE. Like I said, I'm not trying to take over or whatever - Just offering to take us to the next level, and give myself, and others who might also enjoy the back-workings of website/email "administration" a chance to shine. Who knows, maybe we could gain recognition as an actual "club" and get into events. :-D Josh (who agrees with MikeSKA about numbers, and the iPhone) On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > That sounds good to me, I'm freaking sick of reading about the star > wars fan sites (on my PDA they show up underneath, instead of on the > side) It's like a really lazy attempt at google adverts. > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Josh W wrote: >> It needs a complete overhaul and the like. It would be nice to see it >> in working order again, though I'd have to talk to Nate and see how he >> feels about that. It was definitely a lot easier to take care of the >> site when Nate and I actually had access to do so, however. ;-) >> >> If we wanted to move away from yahoo altogether and host the site >> somewhere else, I'm all for that as I have web space available. I also >> have the capability to completely run an independent e-mail/discussion >> list, should Yahoo ever decided they want to charge for theirs, or we >> collectively decide that we're ready to become our "own" group again. >> If we went down that road, I could set up profiles for people, etc.. >> >> I know convincing folks to change from Yahoo to a new self-contained >> email list server/service is probably not the easiest thing to do, >> it's always an option. Not to mention I could port the email addresses >> over from yahoo and most people wouldn't have to even re-sign up. :) >> >> I know I should be discussing options like this with George off-list, >> but I figure if there's enough of an interest in starting up a new >> website, I could get it going in a matter of hours. >> >> Keep in mind that I actually enjoy administering things of this >> nature, and I'm more than happy to offer a chunk of my hosting for it. >> I'd expect no monetary compensation for the hosting, unless of course >> someone was so inclined to donate. :) >> >> -Josh >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, george burnash >> wrote: >>> Josh W wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> This is an idea I can actually get behind. We used to have a group >>>> members section on the website (long since neglected) with pictures >>>> and the like - >>> >>> It's still there, and it's open for just about anyone to add to it. >>> It's not hard to do. I'd love to see more people add contributions to it. >>> >>> keep on ridin' >>> George >>> >>> >> > > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Oct 14 20:23:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70412 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 03:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 03:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 03:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 03:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 03:23:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:23:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=tekbyJf0vLGskpIJlVbYwFUttiSuzI-BldzzWpRlJ8I X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone = wrote: > > Nice chart. Were they taken from multiple rides and averaged together? >=20 > So, where are all the B&M haters? Patriot clearly has the most reads = =20 > in the 2-3g range and virtually nothing in the 3+ g range. Hell,=20=20 > Spinning Dragons has more in the 3+ g range. Pretty embarrassing for = =20 > an inverted coaster, they should be all about positive g's like Batman = =20 > is. >=20 > Mike Mike you obviously don't get what "magnitude" means. I am sure others= don't either so let me inject some truth.=20=20 Lets take a curve with the correct combination of velocity and radius = of curvature to make a "2g" turn. If that curve is at the pullout of hill = then the pull of the earth is going to give you a 1 g help=20 and that curve will "pop" at 3 g's. If that SAME CURVE (both radius and ve= locity) is horizontal then the the 2 g's will be at a right angle. So when= we use the what our good friend Pythagoras came up=20 with we find that one gets about 2.24 g's. That SAME CURVE used in an inve= rsion will read 1 g. Now how that effect you is dependent on lots of things, like what way a= re you pointed compared to the direction of the acceleration. Of course th= ere is no accounting for taste.=20=20 I expect that when I take the software on a copy of Batman the Ride I w= ill find that it is very much the same a Patriot. To put you through an "l= oop" to pull three g's would probably cause you to=20 have a pullout in the 5 g range! That would cause issues. No inverted coa= ster is going to peg the "g meter." By their very nature having he rider ou= t on at a larger radius they will cause a lower=20 acceleration through a curve. The strength of an Inverted coaster is how w= ell (fast) it lets you CHANGE acceleration, this includes direction. An in= verted coaster can move from a 2.5 g turn one way to=20 a 2.5 g turn in the other direction giving a change of 5 g's. I can't imag= ine most coaster engineers would try a 5 g pullout on end of a "zero g" hil= l. One might compare Patriot to Flight of Fear or Boomerang on that list, even= so that is probably not very fair. Only when I get more inverted coaster = data will one be able to say anything about how the=20 inverted coaster compare to each other.=20=20 The data should be used to see how each of the coaster is different from ea= ch other not to say if one is "better" then the other. From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Oct 14 20:44:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52843 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 03:44:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 03:44:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 03:44:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 03:44:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 03:44:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 03:44:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 03:44:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:44:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810141910h408c6a99s2fd06b313ed0f417@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=AXHo7NVPjxCezNF-HsvI5ThWLgh3j68iWll5Ny6DYn4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" w= rote: > > To answer Jon's question about why I don't think this topic is > interesting in the slightest (and am basically just checking in on it > to see if John Zucker really was that guy on This American Life two > saturdays ago) I will offer this: >=20 > Roller coasters, for me, are about fun. I enjoy knowing little > tidbits of information about coasters because those facts make the > experience more fun for me. This includes height, speed, angles, the > names of various inversions, and how many g's a given ride may pull > through the intense moments. Here is my reaction to this.=20 Height: Been on a Tandem Jump, Flown in an airplane. If Height made one h= ill of beens on how "good" a coaster was=20 we would trade them all in for airplanes. They go higher.=20=20 Speed: Cars, Motorcycles and Trains go faster. The conductor on the train = to took to Chicago said it was going 80+=20 mph for over an hour on the trip. If speed was thrilling then. Angle: These ARE important. What the inversion is called... That is a little inside baseball for me. = I like knowing it, I don't find it interesting. Okay ALL if this is available at rcdb so why come here? >=20 > I understand some people are more into number crunching and I guess > some would be interested in knowing how many gs a ride may pull at any > given moment, I'm not one of those people. I dropped out of > engineering school because it was ruining numbers for me (and now the > only math I need to do is how many miles did I just drive in the state > car.) Your dislike of math should mean what for me? >=20 > And on top of that, I have a hard time believing any figures that you > may get from this Iphone app. I believe it may have the ability to > tell around how much force the phone may experience, but there has to > be at least a .5 discrepancy. It was not made to be an accelerometer, > it's just acting like one. I don't care enough about the science to > get into a technological discussion on this topic, but I don't really > believe the data. I have the exact same concern and expressed them in the original post. The= tool I want to use is about $17,000 do you=20 want to buy me one? >=20 > One other thing that makes this topic less than interesting to me is > that it is comparing a coaster that I rode and didn't enjoy to one > that I have no desire to ride. And after the whole 'lets rename > coaster types' flame fest, I'm surprised that you're comparing a flat > tracked steel on top of wood rails supported by wood clamped with > metal coaster using a ball peen hammer, to a steel out and back with a > turn and a half twister section. (That was a joke...laugh, don't get > mad). >=20 Mamba is interesting as it has the helix at the end. I looses lots of ener= gy there and I am thinking that is why it doesn't=20 get the air on the return. It felt very different for Wildthing! What pro= mpted the post was when I got the results for the=20 Racer I went to look at the other results and then my Excel work just got o= ut of control... > And hell, the only air time I felt on the racer were the pot holes and > jack hammering that sometimes, randomly, happened at the top of a > hill. > Help me out here, First: We are both talking about Kings Island (there are = many Racers)? Second was there a lot of water=20 in the air? Thanks... Jon From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Oct 14 21:01:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83651 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 04:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 04:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-184.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 04:01:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2320 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 02:50:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 02:50:01 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KpxZY-0004Nk-TX for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:01:21 -0600 Message-Id: <1F5C9833-20C4-48E0-9E91-B33D85BE9473@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:12:08 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=u3G7A6CZxK22pyrzhhPNq82L0ooQ0XCPUJNJ7ta6pPPFW9EIBW2U X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> Nice chart. Were they taken from multiple rides and averaged >> together? >> >> So, where are all the B&M haters? Patriot clearly has the most reads >> in the 2-3g range and virtually nothing in the 3+ g range. Hell, >> Spinning Dragons has more in the 3+ g range. Pretty embarrassing for >> an inverted coaster, they should be all about positive g's like >> Batman >> is. >> >> Mike > > Mike you obviously don't get what "magnitude" means. I am sure > others don't either so let me inject some truth. > Lets take a curve with the correct combination of velocity and > radius of curvature to make a "2g" turn. If that curve is at the > pullout of hill then the pull of the earth is going to give you a 1 > g help > and that curve will "pop" at 3 g's. If that SAME CURVE (both radius > and velocity) is horizontal then the the 2 g's will be at a right > angle. So when we use the what our good friend Pythagoras came up > with we find that one gets about 2.24 g's. That SAME CURVE used in > an inversion will read 1 g. > Now how that effect you is dependent on lots of things, like what > way are you pointed compared to the direction of the acceleration. > Of course there is no accounting for taste. > I expect that when I take the software on a copy of Batman the > Ride I will find that it is very much the same a Patriot. To put > you through an "loop" to pull three g's would probably cause you to > have a pullout in the 5 g range! That would cause issues. No > inverted coaster is going to peg the "g meter." By their very nature > having he rider out on at a larger radius they will cause a lower > acceleration through a curve. The strength of an Inverted coaster > is how well (fast) it lets you CHANGE acceleration, this includes > direction. An inverted coaster can move from a 2.5 g turn one way to > a 2.5 g turn in the other direction giving a change of 5 g's. I > can't imagine most coaster engineers would try a 5 g pullout on end > of a "zero g" hill. Actually I'm pretty sure I know what magnitude means since I'm an aerospace/mechanical engineer and I do loads derivations quite often, and I'm sure others on the list know what magnitude means as well. Nevertheless, curve orientation doesn't make a difference since the total time spent at 3+ g is low. It's not like the ride is upside down the entire time. Doing a quick google on Batman G force shows that it pulls up to 4g's. And if you think rides can't pull 5g's coming out of a loop, then obviously you haven't been on a Schwarzkopf. Mike From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 21:45:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82562 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 04:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 04:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 04:45:01 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so200695anc.31 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.248.9 with SMTP id v9mr211004anh.115.1224045901417; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810142145i417103a3vee6306973fbfa95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:45:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0810141910h408c6a99s2fd06b313ed0f417@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=L5us-IRA4UW_ML5FjPfYKvNhTDOCSx8EJF6v4ZqwnbTq9J8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Personally I'm getting really sick of you, John. It seems like when anybody is trying to have a civil discussion with you, you jump into attack mode, and it is not fun, it is not entertaining. I enjoy some of your posts and some discussions that you start, but as soon as they evolve and the power in the thread shifts from your hands into the actual conversation you freak out and start attcking whomever is posting against you. You pose questions but just seem angry when you get responses. You consistently talk down to everyone, as if you are the smartest person on the list. George, i know this is stepping over some line, but I have tried hard to keep this light hearted and fun for as long as I can. There is a problem with this list when one poster can have 4 or more posts in a row without getting a response, because he attacks any response that disagrees with him. This list has always been about a fun hobby and interacting with a bunch of really nice people. Over the past month or two it seems to have shifted dramatically. MikeSka On 10/14/08, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > wrote: >> >> To answer Jon's question about why I don't think this topic is >> interesting in the slightest (and am basically just checking in on it >> to see if John Zucker really was that guy on This American Life two >> saturdays ago) I will offer this: >> >> Roller coasters, for me, are about fun. I enjoy knowing little >> tidbits of information about coasters because those facts make the >> experience more fun for me. This includes height, speed, angles, the >> names of various inversions, and how many g's a given ride may pull >> through the intense moments. > > Here is my reaction to this. > > Height: Been on a Tandem Jump, Flown in an airplane. If Height made one > hill of beens on how "good" a coaster was > we would trade them all in for airplanes. They go higher. > > > Speed: Cars, Motorcycles and Trains go faster. The conductor on the train > to took to Chicago said it was going 80+ > mph for over an hour on the trip. If speed was thrilling then. > > Angle: These ARE important. > > What the inversion is called... That is a little inside baseball for me. > I like knowing it, I don't find it interesting. > > > Okay ALL if this is available at rcdb so why come here? > >> >> I understand some people are more into number crunching and I guess >> some would be interested in knowing how many gs a ride may pull at any >> given moment, I'm not one of those people. I dropped out of >> engineering school because it was ruining numbers for me (and now the >> only math I need to do is how many miles did I just drive in the state >> car.) > > Your dislike of math should mean what for me? > >> >> And on top of that, I have a hard time believing any figures that you >> may get from this Iphone app. I believe it may have the ability to >> tell around how much force the phone may experience, but there has to >> be at least a .5 discrepancy. It was not made to be an accelerometer, >> it's just acting like one. I don't care enough about the science to >> get into a technological discussion on this topic, but I don't really >> believe the data. > > I have the exact same concern and expressed them in the original post. The > tool I want to use is about $17,000 do you > want to buy me one? > >> >> One other thing that makes this topic less than interesting to me is >> that it is comparing a coaster that I rode and didn't enjoy to one >> that I have no desire to ride. And after the whole 'lets rename >> coaster types' flame fest, I'm surprised that you're comparing a flat >> tracked steel on top of wood rails supported by wood clamped with >> metal coaster using a ball peen hammer, to a steel out and back with a >> turn and a half twister section. (That was a joke...laugh, don't get >> mad). >> > > Mamba is interesting as it has the helix at the end. I looses lots of > energy there and I am thinking that is why it doesn't > get the air on the return. It felt very different for Wildthing! What > prompted the post was when I got the results for the > Racer I went to look at the other results and then my Excel work just got > out of control... > >> And hell, the only air time I felt on the racer were the pot holes and >> jack hammering that sometimes, randomly, happened at the top of a >> hill. >> > > > Help me out here, First: We are both talking about Kings Island (there are > many Racers)? Second was there a lot of water > in the air? > > > Thanks... > > > Jon > > > > > > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Oct 14 21:59:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56319 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 04:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 04:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 04:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 04:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 04:58:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:58:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1F5C9833-20C4-48E0-9E91-B33D85BE9473@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=kP051clx1snAUJGZ8K_znxQGgiJUqTqlxwM3H2Zms-Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone = wrote: > > >> Nice chart. Were they taken from multiple rides and averaged=20=20 > >> together? > >> > >> So, where are all the B&M haters? Patriot clearly has the most reads > >> in the 2-3g range and virtually nothing in the 3+ g range. Hell, > >> Spinning Dragons has more in the 3+ g range. Pretty embarrassing for > >> an inverted coaster, they should be all about positive g's like=20=20 > >> Batman > >> is. > >> > >> Mike > > > > Mike you obviously don't get what "magnitude" means. I am sure = =20 > > others don't either so let me inject some truth. > > Lets take a curve with the correct combination of velocity and=20=20 > > radius of curvature to make a "2g" turn. If that curve is at the=20=20 > > pullout of hill then the pull of the earth is going to give you a 1 = =20 > > g help > > and that curve will "pop" at 3 g's. If that SAME CURVE (both radius = =20 > > and velocity) is horizontal then the the 2 g's will be at a right=20=20 > > angle. So when we use the what our good friend Pythagoras came up > > with we find that one gets about 2.24 g's. That SAME CURVE used in = =20 > > an inversion will read 1 g. > > Now how that effect you is dependent on lots of things, like what = =20 > > way are you pointed compared to the direction of the acceleration. = =20 > > Of course there is no accounting for taste. > > I expect that when I take the software on a copy of Batman the=20=20 > > Ride I will find that it is very much the same a Patriot. To put=20=20 > > you through an "loop" to pull three g's would probably cause you to > > have a pullout in the 5 g range! That would cause issues. No=20=20 > > inverted coaster is going to peg the "g meter." By their very nature = =20 > > having he rider out on at a larger radius they will cause a lower > > acceleration through a curve. The strength of an Inverted coaster=20=20 > > is how well (fast) it lets you CHANGE acceleration, this includes=20=20 > > direction. An inverted coaster can move from a 2.5 g turn one way to > > a 2.5 g turn in the other direction giving a change of 5 g's. I=20=20 > > can't imagine most coaster engineers would try a 5 g pullout on end = =20 > > of a "zero g" hill. >=20 > Actually I'm pretty sure I know what magnitude means since I'm an=20=20 > aerospace/mechanical engineer and I do loads derivations quite often, = =20 > and I'm sure others on the list know what magnitude means as well. >=20 > Nevertheless, curve orientation doesn't make a difference since the=20=20 > total time spent at 3+ g is low. It's not like the ride is upside=20=20 > down the entire time. Doing a quick google on Batman G force shows=20=20 > that it pulls up to 4g's. And if you think rides can't pull 5g's=20=20 > coming out of a loop, then obviously you haven't been on a Schwarzkopf. >=20 > Mike > That means you were trying to start a flame war. If you want to do that th= en get your own=20 data don't use mine. Until I measure Batman with the same instrument then it is a false comparis= on. I CLEARLY=20 posted that the accelerometer in the phone may be stuck on the 2g as appose= to the 8g=20 scale. Besides you what do Max "g's" matter anyway? If I spike out to 5 o= r 6 g's what do I=20 prove? (As I dig through this I am thinking that it is not true, there is no way t= o get 16 by adding=20 up 2 squared three times. I didn't say that until this post.) Bottom line the BEST way to take your first post was that you were ignorant= . If you are not=20 ignorant then you must have a character flaw. I won't assume the best abou= t you again. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 22:12:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38228 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 05:12:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 05:12:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.226) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 05:12:45 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so840319wxc.14 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.227.6 with SMTP id z6mr487382ang.34.1224047565508; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810142212x50776909u3562bcb922de2e24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:12:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1F5C9833-20C4-48E0-9E91-B33D85BE9473@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=r1-G_LKo0nBMzsZmb_oGHKHOw6pKMRcT3e9fmaRDPp1FDjM X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska > > Bottom line the BEST way to take your first post was that you were ignorant. > If you are not > ignorant then you must have a character flaw. I won't assume the best about > you again. > This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post. Mike did not do anything to start a flame war, he just offered his opinion on the topic. Jon tried to make the case that Mike was ignorant, turns out he's a freakin rocket scientist (I don't know about him, but the few aerospace engineers that I know personally are rocket scientists). So instead he turns around and says that because he disagrees with Jon's post regarding data recieved through a fake accelerometer, he must have a character flaw. I don't like to blow the therapist horn, but seriously John, there's only one person in this thread displaying a character flaw. How are we, as a list, standing for this. George you have been playing the moderator card a lot lately, but I haven't seen you use it against this guy at all yet. Maybe you did it in private, but I feel like the list deserves at least the knowledge that something is being done here. MikeSKA -I have a bunch of stitches and they're all itchy and sore and I can't sleep so I'm much less tolerant than I normally try to be From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Oct 14 22:22:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54438 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 05:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 05:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 05:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 05:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 05:22:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:22:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810142145i417103a3vee6306973fbfa95@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=c9UO_KCEhLEzpdpozPUXcZ_fFk8SZPt0_0DcGzVSHOs X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Where exactly is the "attack" and what are you talking about? The poster had commented that my "data" was boring. Okay when he told me what he wanted to talk about I responded with why I wa= sn't=20 interested in discussing this. Most if not all of it is on the rcdb, where= is the discussion? I commented about his dislike of math and how I am supposed to respond to i= t? Well just=20 because someone doesn't want to talk about math that means I should just fo= rget about=20 bringing it up? Math is fun to me. Motorcycles are fun to me. Roller coaters are fun to m= e. Talking about=20 them together is fun to me. Several people have talked about "tone" which is baffling to me. Did I cal= l someone a=20 name? That would be an attack. If you can't have someone disagree with you= r "point" then=20 you call that an attack well... If all the group is going to do is repost information posted else where and= nod in=20 agreement with it, what is the discussion? I am not a sheep I won't be a sheep and I won't join a club and agree to ag= ree. If this is a=20 group for sheep say so and I will leave. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" w= rote: > > Personally I'm getting really sick of you, John. It seems like when > anybody is trying to have a civil discussion with you, you jump into > attack mode, and it is not fun, it is not entertaining. I enjoy some > of your posts and some discussions that you start, but as soon as they > evolve and the power in the thread shifts from your hands into the > actual conversation you freak out and start attcking whomever is > posting against you. You pose questions but just seem angry when you > get responses. You consistently talk down to everyone, as if you are > the smartest person on the list. >=20 > George, i know this is stepping over some line, but I have tried hard > to keep this light hearted and fun for as long as I can. There is a > problem with this list when one poster can have 4 or more posts in a > row without getting a response, because he attacks any response that > disagrees with him. >=20 > This list has always been about a fun hobby and interacting with a > bunch of really nice people. Over the past month or two it seems to > have shifted dramatically. >=20 > MikeSka >=20 > On 10/14/08, Jon Osborn wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > > wrote: > >> > >> To answer Jon's question about why I don't think this topic is > >> interesting in the slightest (and am basically just checking in on it > >> to see if John Zucker really was that guy on This American Life two > >> saturdays ago) I will offer this: > >> > >> Roller coasters, for me, are about fun. I enjoy knowing little > >> tidbits of information about coasters because those facts make the > >> experience more fun for me. This includes height, speed, angles, the > >> names of various inversions, and how many g's a given ride may pull > >> through the intense moments. > > > > Here is my reaction to this. > > > > Height: Been on a Tandem Jump, Flown in an airplane. If Height made o= ne > > hill of beens on how "good" a coaster was > > we would trade them all in for airplanes. They go higher. > > > > > > Speed: Cars, Motorcycles and Trains go faster. The conductor on the tr= ain > > to took to Chicago said it was going 80+ > > mph for over an hour on the trip. If speed was thrilling then. > > > > Angle: These ARE important. > > > > What the inversion is called... That is a little inside baseball for = me. > > I like knowing it, I don't find it interesting. > > > > > > Okay ALL if this is available at rcdb so why come here? > > > >> > >> I understand some people are more into number crunching and I guess > >> some would be interested in knowing how many gs a ride may pull at any > >> given moment, I'm not one of those people. I dropped out of > >> engineering school because it was ruining numbers for me (and now the > >> only math I need to do is how many miles did I just drive in the state > >> car.) > > > > Your dislike of math should mean what for me? > > > >> > >> And on top of that, I have a hard time believing any figures that you > >> may get from this Iphone app. I believe it may have the ability to > >> tell around how much force the phone may experience, but there has to > >> be at least a .5 discrepancy. It was not made to be an accelerometer, > >> it's just acting like one. I don't care enough about the science to > >> get into a technological discussion on this topic, but I don't really > >> believe the data. > > > > I have the exact same concern and expressed them in the original post. = The > > tool I want to use is about $17,000 do you > > want to buy me one? > > > >> > >> One other thing that makes this topic less than interesting to me is > >> that it is comparing a coaster that I rode and didn't enjoy to one > >> that I have no desire to ride. And after the whole 'lets rename > >> coaster types' flame fest, I'm surprised that you're comparing a flat > >> tracked steel on top of wood rails supported by wood clamped with > >> metal coaster using a ball peen hammer, to a steel out and back with a > >> turn and a half twister section. (That was a joke...laugh, don't get > >> mad). > >> > > > > Mamba is interesting as it has the helix at the end. I looses lots of > > energy there and I am thinking that is why it doesn't > > get the air on the return. It felt very different for Wildthing! What > > prompted the post was when I got the results for the > > Racer I went to look at the other results and then my Excel work just g= ot > > out of control... > > > >> And hell, the only air time I felt on the racer were the pot holes and > >> jack hammering that sometimes, randomly, happened at the top of a > >> hill. > >> > > > > > > Help me out here, First: We are both talking about Kings Island (there = are > > many Racers)? Second was there a lot of water > > in the air? > > > > > > Thanks... > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Oct 14 22:38:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72910 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 05:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 05:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.249) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 05:38:01 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2507094rvf.44 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.203.9 with SMTP id a9mr277612rvg.288.1224049081127; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:38:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1F5C9833-20C4-48E0-9E91-B33D85BE9473@donkeyentertainment.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LO1qH80k569eFvt82fuTTVNrnfq8g1ad8jk2jvxhQ_8Yed_CGPclyhw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Bottom line the BEST way to take your first post was that you were ignorant. > If you are not > ignorant then you must have a character flaw. I won't assume the best about > you again. Funny, I interpreted his post as I assume he intended it; Mike found it interesting that Patriot was (in general) less forceful than the other coasters at Worlds of Fun, and wanted to point that out. How is that ignorant? How is that a character flaw? Way to prove Mikeska's point. Yeah, I'm getting tired of it too. -Nate From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Oct 14 22:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46354 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 05:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 05:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 05:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 05:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 05:42:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:42:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810142212x50776909u3562bcb922de2e24@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=6VkQV00jIqV1YOvJaK3Z4dc3iRZ7onHm9o6mOxn__RA X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" w= rote: > > > > > Bottom line the BEST way to take your first post was that you were igno= rant. > > If you are not > > ignorant then you must have a character flaw. I won't assume the best a= bout > > you again. > > >=20 >=20 > This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post. Mike did not > do anything to start a flame war, he just offered his opinion on the > topic. Jon tried to make the case that Mike was ignorant, turns out > he's a freakin rocket scientist (I don't know about him, but the few > aerospace engineers that I know personally are rocket scientists). So > instead he turns around and says that because he disagrees with Jon's > post regarding data recieved through a fake accelerometer, he must > have a character flaw. I don't like to blow the therapist horn, but > seriously John, there's only one person in this thread displaying a > character flaw. >=20 > How are we, as a list, standing for this. George you have been > playing the moderator card a lot lately, but I haven't seen you use it > against this guy at all yet. Maybe you did it in private, but I feel > like the list deserves at least the knowledge that something is being > done here. >=20 > MikeSKA > -I have a bunch of stitches and they're all itchy and sore and I can't > sleep so I'm much less tolerant than I normally try to be > Jumping from the crude data to the conclusion Mike did was either ignorant,= childish or=20 mean. B&M this, Batman that. If he had taken his own data and then jumped= in the list=20 with that statement fine. If he had said that he likes Batman better then = Patriot, fine. To=20 use something I posted out of context like that is an attack, an insult and= a frankly a=20 comment a "professional" should not have made. I would never compare two d= ifferent=20 instruments measuring two objects with who knows what methods in two differ= ent places.=20 Mike may know what was used to give Batman the "4g" claim but he sited the = "internet"=20 and in any case I there are two possibilities. a.) The numbers on the inter= net are made up.=20=20 b.) The numbers were from much better equipment then I have. In either case= you can't=20 compare them. When someone did compare them the BEST conclusion one could = draw is=20 that they were ignorant. Because when you know you should do something and= you so it=20 anyway what is that?=20=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 00:14:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56401 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 07:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 07:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.232) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 07:14:30 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so1201493rvb.0 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:14:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.12.19 with SMTP id p19mr295128wfi.171.1224054870093; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:14:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810150014r580d2c82nc6e5dc4e5de00b11@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:14:30 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0810142212x50776909u3562bcb922de2e24@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=BZyBMp0zmM3VB5rnQvgy9AugP7VW8Hez6gtUYxAxw7HYb1Nxcg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Dude, for real. All you do is troll and try to pick fights with people on this list I've been around for over 10 years and, quite frankly, I'm considering leaving because of your condescending and arrogant attitude. I'm all for you contributing to this list, but let me be the first to tell you to get the heck down from your pedestal. We all have something to offer, and most of us have met one another before. For you to strut in here like some "ultimate enthusiast" is just asinine. George may not agree with me, but you're alienating myself, and several others on this list. You're a smart guy, we get that. We're all smart around here, but we don't go around playing the "holier/smarter than thou" card like you seem to have been doing since day 1 of your tenure here on this list. Please, for the benefit of yourself, and everyone else, back off and stop with the condescension. Josh On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > wrote: >> >> > >> > Bottom line the BEST way to take your first post was that you were >> > ignorant. >> > If you are not >> > ignorant then you must have a character flaw. I won't assume the best >> > about >> > you again. >> > >> >> >> This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post. Mike did not >> do anything to start a flame war, he just offered his opinion on the >> topic. Jon tried to make the case that Mike was ignorant, turns out >> he's a freakin rocket scientist (I don't know about him, but the few >> aerospace engineers that I know personally are rocket scientists). So >> instead he turns around and says that because he disagrees with Jon's >> post regarding data recieved through a fake accelerometer, he must >> have a character flaw. I don't like to blow the therapist horn, but >> seriously John, there's only one person in this thread displaying a >> character flaw. >> >> How are we, as a list, standing for this. George you have been >> playing the moderator card a lot lately, but I haven't seen you use it >> against this guy at all yet. Maybe you did it in private, but I feel >> like the list deserves at least the knowledge that something is being >> done here. >> >> MikeSKA >> -I have a bunch of stitches and they're all itchy and sore and I can't >> sleep so I'm much less tolerant than I normally try to be >> > > Jumping from the crude data to the conclusion Mike did was either ignorant, > childish or > mean. B&M this, Batman that. If he had taken his own data and then jumped in > the list > with that statement fine. If he had said that he likes Batman better then > Patriot, fine. To > use something I posted out of context like that is an attack, an insult and > a frankly a > comment a "professional" should not have made. I would never compare two > different > instruments measuring two objects with who knows what methods in two > different places. > Mike may know what was used to give Batman the "4g" claim but he sited the > "internet" > and in any case I there are two possibilities. a.) The numbers on the > internet are made up. > b.) The numbers were from much better equipment then I have. In either case > you can't > compare them. When someone did compare them the BEST conclusion one could > draw is > that they were ignorant. Because when you know you should do something and > you so it > anyway what is that? > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 00:23:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89293 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 07:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 07:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 07:23:39 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2537145wfc.6 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:23:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.139.18 with SMTP id m18mr48906wfd.313.1224055418887; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:23:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810150023y71d0d9e5g7e2801a3b94394b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:23:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0810142145i417103a3vee6306973fbfa95@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=WN2eZcM5NseFN7f38tDMw5ZztUcwPZ8v9QAsTHxc5hz04fFC6w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny As much as George will hate this... Please do. You will save this group a lot of heartache if you do. You attitude doesn't belong anywhere near here, or a vast majority of the sites on the internet involving coasters. Quite honestly, "enthusiasts" with your type of attitude have ruined this hobby for me, and many others. I try to have fun, and escape the mundane routine of everyday life with a hobby like this, instead I'm talked down to and told I don't know the difference between "flat track" and a wooden coaster. I'm tired of if, and it's totally "not cool". Josh >> I will leave. > > --- From lance@screamscape.com Wed Oct 15 05:07:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3515 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 12:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 12:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B8F3C66E4 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:07:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.48ee630f.135dc0 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:07:39 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI9d0LEpRSyAIAAAAB,ab51ce014fff304f95ba4ec13b7973ba Message-ID: <4DE804A349BD462DADF0CE03B4855983@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <6ab4641f0810142212x50776909u3562bcb922de2e24@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0810150014r580d2c82nc6e5dc4e5de00b11@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810150014r580d2c82nc6e5dc4e5de00b11@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:07:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=N_vVF-MzWZkrqZDkDkCQhWuNhTjdWsx_Pnm1h-3QzUGqs0EVf4C7JdUa6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I've got to agree here to a point... while I'm not ready to give up and leave the list, I have been very tempted to put certain names into my spam filter so they just vanish from sight... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh W" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Graphs > Dude, for real. All you do is troll and try to pick fights with people > on this list I've been around for over 10 years and, quite frankly, > I'm considering leaving because of your condescending and arrogant > attitude. I'm all for you contributing to this list, but let me be the > first to tell you to get the heck down from your pedestal. We all have > something to offer, and most of us have met one another before. For > you to strut in here like some "ultimate enthusiast" is just asinine. > > George may not agree with me, but you're alienating myself, and > several others on this list. You're a smart guy, we get that. We're > all smart around here, but we don't go around playing the > "holier/smarter than thou" card like you seem to have been doing since > day 1 of your tenure here on this list. > > Please, for the benefit of yourself, and everyone else, back off and > stop with the condescension. From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Oct 15 05:11:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28487 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:11:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:11:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Correction (My Bad) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=T-dYiuCHpzg8XK9SQPdrfqRAGEBpUqi14NLbxuTBpBc X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj At the top of a vertical loop with speed and radius that will cause a centr= ipetal acceleration of=20 2 g's an accelerometer will read 2 g's a not 1 g which is what I said. A s= pring scale on the=20 chair would read 1 g.=20=20=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 05:17:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68605 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 12:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 12:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kq5JE-0007SM-MX for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:17:00 -0400 Message-ID: <48F5DF30.8020504@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:16:48 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0810141910h408c6a99s2fd06b313ed0f417@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0810142145i417103a3vee6306973fbfa95@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810142145i417103a3vee6306973fbfa95@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92d48068b4f8e887aeab734bee8200116e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: discussions (was Mamba vs. Racer) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=YFZHIeS5svnwfxogv0YMUdbcsuTra_DowL4-n7KlqShCaJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: I enjoy some > of your posts and some discussions that you start, but as soon as they > evolve and the power in the thread shifts from your hands into the > actual conversation you freak out and start attcking whomever is > posting against you. You pose questions but just seem angry when you > get responses. You consistently talk down to everyone, as if you are > the smartest person on the list. I don't know John at all outside of his posts on the list, but this is far from the first time on the list we've had a poster like this. Nor will it be the last. In the past we've treated them politely, even when they were irritating, correcting them and showing them the error of their ways. Sometimes they left the list, sometimes they grew up and became good posters. I know that a few of you can remember yourselves at that point. What bothers me is that we've gone from polite though sometimes pointed correction in the midst of discussion to people telling others (in this case John) to shut up, stop posting, and acting at least as rude to him, if not more so, than he's been in his posts. I'll say it myself, and forgive me everyone if this sounds rude, but I'm not sure how else to say it- yes John's attitude in many of his posts bothers me, and I don't like it. I'd rather he posted the information without the condescending attitude and unwillingness to be corrected or disagreed with. But the responding attitude of some of those replying bothers me even more because I know them, know what they're capable of, and this isn't it. I guess I just expect better of the people who have been established on the list. Is that a bad thing? > > George, i know this is stepping over some line, but I have tried hard > to keep this light hearted and fun for as long as I can. There is a > problem with this list when one poster can have 4 or more posts in a > row without getting a response, because he attacks any response that > disagrees with him. I agree, and I thank you for trying. I really do appreciate your effort as well as those from others. John, are you getting the hint yet? Consolidating posts and not dominating conversations are good things. And you can disagree without being disagreeable. > > This list has always been about a fun hobby and interacting with a > bunch of really nice people. Over the past month or two it seems to > have shifted dramatically. > It's gone through these kinds of shifts before. Heck, I remember one time way back when it was still on rollercoaster.com (yeah, way back), we used to average 25 or more posts a day. One guy came on, was an idiot, and it dropped to about 5 for around a month. Said guy didn't change, actually got worse, and got booted from the list. Within a couple of days after that it was back up to normal. But here's the deal- notice how many conversations have been on the list lately? Who's been starting threads and posts? Sure John is dominating, but he's not the only one who can post or start topics. What about the rest of you? Seems really silly to complain about one person making posts and no fun topics when no one else even tries to start threads or discussions. And when others do (such as Alan posting news or the anniversary notices) all that comes out is slams, insults, and people saying they don't want those things. Sorry, but if you don't want them, and don't want to talk about them, then why are you on a DISCUSSION list where you don't want to discuss anything except what you don't want to see? Where's the TR's? Anyone go to PPP? Any reports on the flying turns? What about the new coasters being built? No comments about the new hyper or it's construction at PKI? What about the wood coaster at CGA that may not be built now? HOw about Hard Rock closing- maybe for good? Any word on Kemah Boardwalk in TX? I see no one talking about those at all. Instead they'd rather argue, tell people to shut up and stop posting, and do little on their own. Sorry folks, but it's not just one person. Or maybe the problem is that only one person is really starting discussion and no one else is and setting the example. That's what I want to see more of again. George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 05:28:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2134 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 12:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 12:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kq5Uf-0002Vl-JG for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:28:49 -0400 Message-ID: <48F5E1F5.8060209@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:28:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1F5C9833-20C4-48E0-9E91-B33D85BE9473@donkeyentertainment.com> <6ab4641f0810142212x50776909u3562bcb922de2e24@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810142212x50776909u3562bcb922de2e24@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a922e02ba7e78cb9e6237e295cae9a3fc1e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=G087RfDMRweg6YKkmWDtSCXE0KPJNQ1iynv2qG-NKbaUNP0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post. Mike did not > do anything to start a flame war, he just offered his opinion on the > topic. Jon tried to make the case that Mike was ignorant, turns out > he's a freakin rocket scientist (I don't know about him, but the few > aerospace engineers that I know personally are rocket scientists). So > instead he turns around and says that because he disagrees with Jon's > post regarding data recieved through a fake accelerometer, he must > have a character flaw. I don't like to blow the therapist horn, but > seriously John, there's only one person in this thread displaying a > character flaw. Yeah, gotta agree with that one. Jon, you might want to try that again. I have a strong feeling that you still haven't figured out who a lot of the people on the list are, and when you make absolutes then responses like that you only make yourself look silly. Be willing to learn and be corrected. We all have to be sometimes, and you'll make a lot more friends that way as well. > > How are we, as a list, standing for this. George you have been > playing the moderator card a lot lately, but I haven't seen you use it > against this guy at all yet. Maybe you did it in private, but I feel > like the list deserves at least the knowledge that something is being > done here. > Y'all should know me well enough to know that I hate playing the mod. Hate it with a passion. So if I'm actually popping onto the list in "mod mode" please be assured that I've been trying to work on it in private as well- even with, and especially during, an extremely hectic, busy, and frustrating time in my own personal life. I'd much rather be screaming out my frustrations on a coaster than dealing with this kind of stuff. I think everyone should remember that nice little advice Mom used to give- if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. If you can't respect someone else's opinions, especially when that person is much more informed than you are (e.g. an engineer specializing in the field you're talking about), then you've got issues that you need to deal with before you respond. Good things to think about before you hit that send button. > MikeSKA > -I have a bunch of stitches and they're all itchy and sore and I can't > sleep so I'm much less tolerant than I normally try to be > Trust me, I sympathize and understand, but I'd still be willing to trade. Lets see, a year of cancer, treatments, bad reactions to treatment, loss of work and income because of said cancer, losing both cars to permanent breakdown, 2 months without a car only to finally get a heap to replace them, losing three (3!) grandparents that we were close to and my father in law who was closer to me than my own father... yeah, I know about being irritable and not very tolerant. I'm not trying to whine, but in the grand scope of things the childish behavior I've seen by some on the list is really pitifully low in importance level in light of some of the other stuff I have to deal with. But sadly wishing a couple of people would just grow up already apparently isn't going to happen. :) Man, now my family isn't the only ones having to deal with me being The Grump. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing... :P here's to hoping we get it cleared and move forward... George From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Oct 15 05:33:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38283 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:32:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:32:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810141332u75858d86u73a4a82f1fce6c47@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: American Life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=rdU0UxfhWzEtEx1N64cTJPYTSeRy0p4ZkFgpMvcnhq9FvrZlYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Nope, not me. Jon Z (coaster guy) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > Unrelated=20 (because this is the most boring topic weve had in a while) > but jon zucker, were you interviewed for this american life the other > day? >=20 > mike From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 05:43:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57091 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 12:43:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 12:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.78) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:43:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:43:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810141910h408c6a99s2fd06b313ed0f417@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=XX-mtEkvwteDZnlzNH9lWFaubMAx_BLZU17mD6irFbXDVDRUi7RrPE1aJA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan"=20 wrote: > Roller coasters, for me, are about fun. I enjoy knowing little > tidbits of information about coasters because those facts make the > experience more fun for me. This includes height, speed, angles, the > names of various inversions, and how many g's a given ride may pull > through the intense moments. Same here, but I will add that for me the best things about this group=20 are the TRs. for me the parks arent just about the coasters, but the=20 entire park. reading TRs helps me to experience the parks i havent been=20 to yet or are not able to get to, especially in this hard economic times s. i treat RCT the same way-laying out the park is as fun if not more than=20 designing the coasters themselves. in completes the experience.=20 > I understand some people are more into number crunching and I guess > some would be interested in knowing how many gs a ride may pull at any > given moment, I'm not one of those people. I dropped out of > engineering school because it was ruining numbers for me (and now the > only math I need to do is how many miles did I just drive in the state > car.) as for the Iphone apps and number crunching stuff, its not for me. so i=20 skipped them and read other posts instead. so how easy that is? whats=20 the problem?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 05:48:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74802 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 12:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 12:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.191) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 12:48:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:48:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810141921r5fb6b4ebk44ef28f7eb89bf3a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=zSD4bfn66T3hRVfsVyeVjNIfyk0swSt3solXAcon4fSBksOSJrYQc64RsA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Yeah, that's another thing I've been seeing on yahoo and google groups > lately, the amount of ad space is INSANE. >=20 > Like I said, I'm not trying to take over or whatever - Just offering > to take us to the next level, and give myself, and others who might > also enjoy the back-workings of website/email "administration" a > chance to shine. >=20 > Who knows, maybe we could gain recognition as an actual "club" and get > into events. :-D as long as i can still get email digests, i dont care what site the=20 group gets moved to. yahoo or egroups just seems sort of...antiquated=20 these days. and id say thats one of the reasons we dont get a lot of=20 new members-no one thinks to come to egroups anymore, at least younger=20 folks who could bring some added oomph to the group. just my 2 cents.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 06:05:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85263 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 13:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 13:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 13:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 13:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 13:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 13:05:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:05:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48F5DF30.8020504@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: discussions (was Mamba vs. Racer) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=a1SwEbBi3gGO8JqDkJnRPTsz373nArqhlMCitVv5jvly-ZRwh2CW6xeTeg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Where's the TR's? Anyone go to PPP? Any reports on the flying=20 turns?=20 > What about the new coasters being built? No comments about the new=20 > hyper or it's construction at PKI? What about the wood coaster at=20 CGA=20 > that may not be built now? HOw about Hard Rock closing- maybe for=20 good?=20 > Any word on Kemah Boardwalk in TX? I see no one talking about=20 those=20 > at all. Instead they'd rather argue, tell people to shut up and=20 stop=20 > posting, and do little on their own. Sorry folks, but it's not=20 just one=20 > person. Or maybe the problem is that only one person is really=20 starting=20 > discussion and no one else is and setting the example. That's what=20 I=20 > want to see more of again. Id say a lot of it has to do with the fact that at least right now,=20 there is SO much more going on around us. i know that with the=20 election and the issues with the economy, i havent really had time=20 for coaster-related thoughts. and i personally cant get to a lot of=20 parks because of the fact i have a 3 year old, not sure about my job=20 situation, gas is expensive and a host of other things going on.=20 about the best i can do these days is go to BGT once a month. that being said George, you and i need to meet up at seaworld soon. i=20 may try to get out there next weekend with my son. i havent been=20 since summer.=20 From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 06:16:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86926 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 13:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 13:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f12.google.com) (209.85.217.12) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:16:26 -0000 X-Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so6315994gxk.7 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.156.9 with SMTP id d9mr1845951ybe.38.1224076585706; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0810150616r3e70660erd0b8044abb875cf8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:16:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.12 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: New videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=SDJMijxHoB7GUgO8wyCS4jDDHgccsCOd2OXw50bPQQymKrE X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry this isn't app-related, but a couple of videos people might like to see are linked to below. Adam Gerstlauer Launch Coaster at Faarup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcvU1HxdN8s Sky Roller prototype at Deutsches Museum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJbs7z0FIck Pinball: The Ride: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG3o0tTs0CM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 06:21:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64609 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 13:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 13:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kq6Ju-0000q8-AH for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:21:46 -0400 Message-ID: <48F5EE5D.90108@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:21:33 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92a591b614684331cde34702530bcce501350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: re: meetup in florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=iTpsMjfAjYMKUAEhcHLhZhWj1_C_OkoHwdsoHYB_hE45N4I X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > that being said George, you and i need to meet up at seaworld soon. i > may try to get out there next weekend with my son. i havent been > since summer. Friday we're going to Cypress Gardens for the first time in close to 2 years. They've got a special that the first 10k people in the park get in for $10, and we can manage to scrounge up that much money. So I'm finally going to get my Starliner rides in. Water park is supposed to be open as well so I might take advantage of that having never been there either. So there's my next weekend. Looking forward to it in a big way. Sundays are just impossible for me, and I'm booked up on the 25th and every Saturday in November except the one after Thanksgiving as well. :( And with working at Epcot every Monday and Thursday, and having commitments every Tues and Weds night... Fridays are usually my one free day of the week, but I totally understand if those don't work for you. We might have to try to work out a December weekend. I'm determined to get to Sea World during December this year and see their Christmas stuff for once. Hate to put it off that long, but maybe if we plan it far enough in advance I can tell anyone else that wants to schedule something for me that I'm already booked. :) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 06:38:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68874 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 13:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 13:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kq6Zz-0004KC-AN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:38:23 -0400 Message-ID: <48F5F242.3090400@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:38:10 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76e1ec0a0810141433n7d19c8ah8bf4f394d05b6819@mail.gmail.com> <48F546E4.2070603@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0810141857wa146babt2384f8e2a94b500b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810141857wa146babt2384f8e2a94b500b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a921623060572c7610254eb1f12a4753562350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=KiGqvXa9F1WOMQ-XWnrqBN5Qh9fziSC8-b-RL7CBQN9Cfeg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > It needs a complete overhaul and the like. It would be nice to see it > in working order again, though I'd have to talk to Nate and see how he > feels about that. It was definitely a lot easier to take care of the > site when Nate and I actually had access to do so, however. ;-) Do you mean the Yahoo groups site or the ancient Geocities site? The Yahoo groups site it open and able to be used, added to, files uploaded, links added, database used, etc by anyone that's a member of the group, and most of it is available for public viewing as well. As for the old Geocities site, it's still there in it's original form able to be used by anyone with the original passwords. (hint hint) But every few months this has come up, and we've had webspace offered, but no one has actually wanted to move forward and build the site for the group. > > If we wanted to move away from yahoo altogether and host the site > somewhere else, I'm all for that as I have web space available. I also > have the capability to completely run an independent e-mail/discussion > list, should Yahoo ever decided they want to charge for theirs, or we > collectively decide that we're ready to become our "own" group again. > If we went down that road, I could set up profiles for people, etc.. I'd love to have it as an addition, but I don't see a reason to move away from Yahoo and duplicate what they are already doing for us. Yahoo also has a lot of very nice features that other list-serves don't. And I can think of a lot of things that we might lose (message archive, ability to search and read past messages on web, ability to read/ post on the web, and a lot of other things) But there are certainly things that I'd love to see come back and be an addition to the group (the profiles, the searchable TR's like we had, and various other things) > > I know convincing folks to change from Yahoo to a new self-contained > email list server/service is probably not the easiest thing to do, > it's always an option. Not to mention I could port the email addresses > over from yahoo and most people wouldn't have to even re-sign up. :) Yeah, but then you run into privacy issues- you'd need approval from every single person. And there's a lot that read the posts on the web- something that would no longer be available that way. > > I know I should be discussing options like this with George off-list, > but I figure if there's enough of an interest in starting up a new > website, I could get it going in a matter of hours. On list of these kinds of things are fun. I love hearing other input- and especially generating volunteers to help! :P > Yeah, that's another thing I've been seeing on yahoo and google groups > lately, the amount of ad space is INSANE. Yes, there are some ads in the emails- that's how they pay for the service after all. But for those of us who use a regular email program, read the messages on the web, etc they're not a problem. It's only you portable people. :P > Who knows, maybe we could gain recognition as an actual "club" and get > into events. :-D We moved that way at one point, remember? I also remember why it didn't work out (lack of interest being the main one), but it would be interesting to see if that could be resurrected again. But we'd need more than about 10 people actually wanting to do something with it. I'd love to see the group grow, a website built for it with extras, and other things. And we've talked about it before, with a few people even offering web space. But when it came time to actually do something there have been very few (as in two people I can think of) who actually offered to physically do something. I won't let it get dumped onto just one or two. I'd love to see something more as well from the 340 other members of our list that pretty much never post or do anything before we moved forward, if you know what I mean. :) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 06:41:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48562 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 13:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 13:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kq6cv-0002yY-IC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:41:25 -0400 Message-ID: <48F5F2F9.5010304@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:41:13 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92998f0f8e2328a18718ca6bf74485c757350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=gr_v9zcwXK-pp2nEOOKjC6vO0qRxBkrgfR_cLOLzjUo5drk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > as long as i can still get email digests, i dont care what site the > group gets moved to. yahoo or egroups just seems sort of...antiquated > these days. and id say thats one of the reasons we dont get a lot of > new members-no one thinks to come to egroups anymore, at least younger > folks who could bring some added oomph to the group. > > just my 2 cents. > Then the problem becomes, so what do we do? It's been generally agreed when this has come up in the past that going to a message board format is out for a multitude of reasons (and those that really like that can use the website and post that way for the most part anyways) So being email based, as we are, what other options are there that offer the flexibility that we have now, that give us the notice that we have now, that offers the features that we have now (even if people don't use them simply because they don't try)? keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 06:53:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74999 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 13:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 13:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kq6oa-0008Qq-IR for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:53:29 -0400 Message-ID: <48F5F5CC.2050503@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:53:16 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <165816ef0810150616r3e70660erd0b8044abb875cf8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0810150616r3e70660erd0b8044abb875cf8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92ec602952b697893d67f7abe796391d1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=yx5xVYNeelDc9G9QL0gnLCukFdafvOtLTcIWmaZXosj31Hc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > Gerstlauer Launch Coaster at Faarup: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcvU1HxdN8s > > Very neat looking! I do like how they did the "V" shaped seating so that all 6 people can actually see where they're going, but not so spaced out that they don't feel like they're sitting next to someone in the back. The only thing that scared me a bit is how much the OTSR looks like one from a Vekoma SLC. I'd hope this wouldn't be a "sit and bang" Looks like it's a lot of fun though. > Sky Roller prototype at Deutsches Museum: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJbs7z0FIck > Now this looks totally awesome! I love how the riders can take the fins and use them to essentially customize their rides- either staying nice and smooth or flipping themselves til the snot starts shooting. Very, very cool. So when are we getting some of these in the states? I want one! > > Pinball: The Ride: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG3o0tTs0CM > > Obviously concept stage, and it certainly seems, well, a bit odd. A mixture sort of, of bumper boats and the old Disney hover carts I guess? Not sure who controls the bumpers, or if the rider gets to do anything besides go for the ride and just get bumped and banged around. Looks like something you might see in Vegas. It's intriguing. Wonder if it'll ever make it to a live version or not? keep on ridin' George (who feels like he's dominating the list today, and it's not even 10am my time! Ack!) From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 06:54:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24088 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 13:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 13:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:54:45 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so5815094gxk.19 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.173.18 with SMTP id v18mr908265ane.17.1224078885106; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30810150654u26f730dbuee44953eebf1e021@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:54:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F5DF30.8020504@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: discussions (was Mamba vs. Racer) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=J4fFg6nhPqcyNfTzUSy7V20yCz3loBiA4fqGRlqTMFB1JywT X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons That's just it, "the base community" here have all been around here so long that there's kind of nothing left to discuss. We've turned into grumpy old people who are telling the overly enthusiastic newcomers (as few and far between as they are) to get off our virtual lawn and take their enthusiasm elsewhere. That's not just a trend here though, it's prevalent on a lot of the coaster boards that have been around for years. Who writes TRs anymore? They haven't been fun to write for years, and with as much as some of us travel, they were starting to feel like homework. I dropped out of that class years ago. Even on the other coaster boards, people are trending towards posting a link to a photo stream or just throwing a bunch of pictures in a thread rather than actually writing out a TR. These things have to evolve or they kind of die. Not sure where that leaves actual discussion without branching further off topic than we normally do. Or we can just be open to the new enthusastic posters who are going to get in way too deep and overdo it so that in a few years they can join the ranks of us cynical been there done that old timers. Not everyone has been here forever, and there are going to be newer younger more enthusiastic enthusiasts wandering by on occasion. We can either be the place that turns them away and keeps them from ever joining up or we can be the people who tollerates them until they learn enough to be worth our time, or we can be the place that acclimates them openly to the community at large. We're not exactly the prettiest and most glamorous of hobbies, the least we can do is be nice. From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Oct 15 07:22:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87475 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 14:22:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 14:22:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-189.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 14:22:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22903 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2008 13:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box24.bluehost.com) (69.89.18.24) by backupproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 13:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box24.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kq7H3-0002K9-Tt for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:22:54 -0600 Message-Id: <24942058-2B55-4C23-847B-4EC2211CE26E@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:33:40 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-user: ::::76.120.240.252:box24.bluehost.com:::::: X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=k3-I6YNLyBWEHx9sBGmKmc0vVbPyTKz3YwKU4n0fKnPnrTD-mimo X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> Bottom line the BEST way to take your first post was that you were >>> ignorant. >>> If you are not >>> ignorant then you must have a character flaw. I won't assume the >>> best about >>> you again. >>> >> >> >> This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post. Mike did >> not >> do anything to start a flame war, he just offered his opinion on the >> topic. Jon tried to make the case that Mike was ignorant, turns out >> he's a freakin rocket scientist (I don't know about him, but the few >> aerospace engineers that I know personally are rocket scientists). >> So >> instead he turns around and says that because he disagrees with Jon's >> post regarding data recieved through a fake accelerometer, he must >> have a character flaw. I don't like to blow the therapist horn, but >> seriously John, there's only one person in this thread displaying a >> character flaw. >> >> How are we, as a list, standing for this. George you have been >> playing the moderator card a lot lately, but I haven't seen you use >> it >> against this guy at all yet. Maybe you did it in private, but I feel >> like the list deserves at least the knowledge that something is being >> done here. >> >> MikeSKA >> -I have a bunch of stitches and they're all itchy and sore and I >> can't >> sleep so I'm much less tolerant than I normally try to be >> > > Jumping from the crude data to the conclusion Mike did was either > ignorant, childish or > mean. B&M this, Batman that. If he had taken his own data and then > jumped in the list > with that statement fine. If he had said that he likes Batman > better then Patriot, fine. To > use something I posted out of context like that is an attack, an > insult and a frankly a > comment a "professional" should not have made. I would never > compare two different > instruments measuring two objects with who knows what methods in two > different places. > Mike may know what was used to give Batman the "4g" claim but he > sited the "internet" > and in any case I there are two possibilities. a.) The numbers on > the internet are made up. > b.) The numbers were from much better equipment then I have. In > either case you can't > compare them. When someone did compare them the BEST conclusion one > could draw is > that they were ignorant. Because when you know you should do > something and you so it > anyway what is that? Ok dude, you need to start being a little bit more respectful, otherwise this is my last response in your direction, because I'm getting pretty sick of your attitude. 1) Reread my original post. Others seemed to be jumping down your throat when you posted data from the iPhone, so I tried to point out that the B&M coaster hardly had any >3g forces than other coasters you measured, which I thought was interesting. I don't know why you took this so personal, or felt the need to educate me what magnitude meant, like somehow it's your fault that the B&M coaster didn't generate more positive g's. 2) I'm not sure what you're talking about, that somehow I'm being impartial with Batman appearing to have more g's than Patriot. In the "B&M's are forceless" debates, which we've debated about pretty much since the list started, typically Batman is noted as one of the few B&Ms to be pretty forceful. I've never been on Patriot, so I have no clue how many positive g's it has. Judging by your data, like I said, I thought it was interesting that it doesn't appear to have that much. So, you can either understand that I'm trying to be a little nice over here, or not. Your call. Mike From lance@screamscape.com Wed Oct 15 08:31:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23461 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 15:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 15:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 15:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5436C2273 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.48f6073d.1dbf for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:31:31 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI9gzTyYPBHwIAAAAB,566584b2ee4ddb24ab3960fe4ab46a81 Message-ID: <38C9EAEC1B32441C82C1B003162A4A14@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:31:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: discussions (was Mamba vs. Racer) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=pbb-W1Q99gJxwliYQUVN6EqKWYTIarbPHKVXsYvzTJ9lbbWRmoUvTlw1mg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Where's the TR's? It may not be 100% coaster related, but it's another topic dear to my heart. Halloween Haunts. If anyone is interested I've posted reviews and photos from the Haunts at Carowinds, Universal Orlando, Universal Hollywood on the Screamscape Feature page, two just posted today and the Orlando one posted a couple of weeks ago. http://www.screamscape.com/features/ From lance@screamscape.com Wed Oct 15 08:38:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54097 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 15:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 15:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 15:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2318B3C80B6 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 X-Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm20.48f606c5.ba6 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:38:37 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI9g59cx07NgIAAAAB,a77e44d460e5416bc83f38f3d1963e42 Message-ID: <10DC2DB2F0684D1CA5A68F81C28ACD98@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <76e1ec0a0810141433n7d19c8ah8bf4f394d05b6819@mail.gmail.com> <48F546E4.2070603@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0810141857wa146babt2384f8e2a94b500b@mail.gmail.com> <48F5F242.3090400@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48F5F242.3090400@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:38:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Ddu7OU4QWk2qskt0VA-CbPlz0rjEMMlBq4gbYVdWzhUjoqSdRPT9pku-rQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Who knows, maybe we could gain recognition as an actual "club" and get >> into events. :-D > > We moved that way at one point, remember? I also remember why it didn't > work out (lack of interest being the main one), but it would be > interesting to see if that could be resurrected again. But we'd need > more than about 10 people actually wanting to do something with it. As I recall from looking into this as a possible club idea for Screamscape once, as crazy as it sounds, most parks wont recogonize you as a legit club unless you charge for a membership fee. My idea, back in the day, was to find a way to give internet savy enthusaists access to coaster club member only events, without the hassle of paying for an overpriced ACE membership. So I thought, what better way than to create a "free" Screamscape based club. As I pointed out, the brick wall I hit was the fee system, and since the only purpose of my club idea at the time was to provide all enthusaists equal access to their local park events, I wasn't going to charge a fee for a club with zero benefits, so I dropped the idea. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Oct 15 10:59:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27825 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 17:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 17:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 17:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 17:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 17:59:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:59:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=KbWKNvfU6_9-lTGfYxtyif1obN3VETgq1nQxp9RuF3UJoZxqCg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Here's something for you to consider. I understand you enjoy riding a=20 motorcycle, and that you also like the strong positive gs of a coaster. I, too, can get a good dose of positive gs in a variety of ways. But=20 negative g? Hard to get while still on this planet, except on a good=20 out-and-back. Jon Z --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > > Jon Z (airtime whore) > >=20 > I never will understand airtime whores but they do ride the ride so=20 you gotta respect 'em. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 12:28:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54177 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 19:28:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 19:28:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:28:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:28:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:28:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:28:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:28:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:28:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48F5EE5D.90108@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: meetup in florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=BNhSXeK4GKtZWtV5ncaKzNbknUbW-eWynzN-7qzug9LatGbyWumfKP6LdA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Friday we're going to Cypress Gardens for the first time in close=20 to 2=20 > years. They've got a special that the first 10k people in the park=20 get=20 > in for $10, and we can manage to scrounge up that much money. So=20 I'm=20 > finally going to get my Starliner rides in. nice! i havent been since Starliner was installed. anyone else ridden=20 it yet? i havent even seen any pics of it yet! > Water park is supposed to=20 > be open as well so I might take advantage of that having never been=20 > there either.=20 us either. funny how you can still go to a waterpark in october,=20 eh? :) > Fridays are usually my one free day of the week, but I totally=20 > understand if those don't work for you. We might have to try to=20 work=20 > out a December weekend. yeah i work during the week so weekdays are out for me.=20 > I'm determined to get to Sea World during=20 > December this year and see their Christmas stuff for once.=20 really? do they do something special there for the holidays,=20 decorations-wise? Hate to put=20 > it off that long, but maybe if we plan it far enough in advance I=20 can=20 > tell anyone else that wants to schedule something for me that I'm=20 > already booked. actually december would probably work better anyways. sept and oct=20 tend to be crazy busy for my wife at her job and she cant do much=20 park action. she is actually out of town on business next weekend,=20 which is why i was going to try and hit Seaworld with the kiddie. but=20 come december it might be easier to go, and if the park decorates up=20 the place, i dont see why we couldnt hit the place once during the=20 holidays.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 12:34:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60617 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 19:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 19:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:34:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:34:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48F5F242.3090400@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=C-E1JVhELhFRB9fXGbzYPBDsO8x1vB9555LsWqW8TSnwgQkynrSSs1ytLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > I'd love to see the group grow, a website built for it with extras,=20 and=20 > other things. And we've talked about it before, with a few people=20 even=20 > offering web space. But when it came time to actually do something=20 > there have been very few (as in two people I can think of) who=20 actually=20 > offered to physically do something. I won't let it get dumped onto=20 just=20 > one or two. I'd love to see something more as well from the 340=20 other=20 > members of our list that pretty much never post or do anything before=20 we=20 > moved forward, if you know what I mean.=20 what about just a basic vBulletin or something like that? a phpbb=20 board?=20 From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Oct 15 12:35:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69790 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 19:35:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 19:35:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:35:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:35:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:35:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:35:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0810150616r3e70660erd0b8044abb875cf8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: New videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=_hUjXNUwYYNqarCmjuJLW--Ep6NDWQ_RuIoa5nrhKbk0nEcWYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 I hope this has some sort of self-correcting levelling feature. It=20 looks like if you set it up just right, you'll continue to flip.=20 Suppose you get to spinning but want to stop. I'd hate to be the=20 panicky nauseous guy who can't figure out how to make my seat level=20 again. Jon Z (won't spin after lunch) The First --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy"=20 wrote: > > Sky Roller prototype at Deutsches Museum: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmJbs7z0FIck From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 12:37:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19310 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 19:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 19:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:37:55 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 31so673192yxl.29 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.125.9 with SMTP id x9mr619856wfc.123.1224099474487; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810151237y6b68e63fo1faa80bc45c69bd3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:37:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F5EE5D.90108@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: meetup in florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=kLOldn3pBuGWqKkRCg0cPOInu8lBeeZ2hK9AL1viSqcWycIyEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Funny, at this point, we could still probably go to water parks in Ohio. At least,l some days. Last weekend it was 80 during the day, and hoodie weather at night. My favorite. :-D Josh On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash > wrote: >> Friday we're going to Cypress Gardens for the first time in close > to 2 >> years. They've got a special that the first 10k people in the park > get >> in for $10, and we can manage to scrounge up that much money. So > I'm >> finally going to get my Starliner rides in. > > nice! i havent been since Starliner was installed. anyone else ridden > it yet? i havent even seen any pics of it yet! > >> Water park is supposed to >> be open as well so I might take advantage of that having never been >> there either. > > us either. funny how you can still go to a waterpark in october, > eh? :) > >> Fridays are usually my one free day of the week, but I totally >> understand if those don't work for you. We might have to try to > work >> out a December weekend. > > yeah i work during the week so weekdays are out for me. > >> I'm determined to get to Sea World during >> December this year and see their Christmas stuff for once. > > really? do they do something special there for the holidays, > decorations-wise? > > Hate to put >> it off that long, but maybe if we plan it far enough in advance I > can >> tell anyone else that wants to schedule something for me that I'm >> already booked. > > actually december would probably work better anyways. sept and oct > tend to be crazy busy for my wife at her job and she cant do much > park action. she is actually out of town on business next weekend, > which is why i was going to try and hit Seaworld with the kiddie. but > come december it might be easier to go, and if the park decorates up > the place, i dont see why we couldnt hit the place once during the > holidays. > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 12:40:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27007 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 19:40:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 19:40:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:40:00 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f16.google.com with SMTP id 9so6364822gxk.19 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.47.7 with SMTP id z7mr2421826ybj.2.1224099600272; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0810151240m6568725ic333619fe8a5fc57@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:40:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <165816ef0810150616r3e70660erd0b8044abb875cf8@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Nx0_L3v175v80qtCLPMZmBaM9Y718Mudk2VPQIF9JsfT4rY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I hope this has some sort of self-correcting levelling feature. It looks like if you set it up just right, you'll continue to flip. Suppose you get to spinning but want to stop. I'd hate to be the panicky nauseous guy who can't figure out how to make my seat level again." I rode it twice and found it very easy to stop the rotations when I wanted to. In addition, I saw kids able to stop themselves pretty easily, so it is actually harder to start than stop. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 12:47:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76026 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 19:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 19:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:47:43 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so7272542gxk.2 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.70.11 with SMTP id s11mr605631wfa.293.1224099740712; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810151242g2cb6729dwc142e4923fa9e13f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:42:20 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0810151240m6568725ic333619fe8a5fc57@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <165816ef0810150616r3e70660erd0b8044abb875cf8@mail.gmail.com> <165816ef0810151240m6568725ic333619fe8a5fc57@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=7PXGflthNDG9ZPEB91aKOAyVanImg_yAj9YOYkdf3A5VB4zkNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny It looks amazing. I'd love to see one closer to me. It looks like one of those rides that you wish had a really long cycle so you can "play" longer. -Josh On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Adam Sandy wrote: > "I hope this has some sort of self-correcting levelling feature. It > looks like if you set it up just right, you'll continue to flip. > Suppose you get to spinning but want to stop. I'd hate to be the > panicky nauseous guy who can't figure out how to make my seat level > again." > > I rode it twice and found it very easy to stop the rotations when I wanted > to. In addition, I saw kids able to stop themselves pretty easily, so it is > actually harder to start than stop. > > Adam > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 12:51:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58068 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 19:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 19:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f19.google.com) (209.85.217.19) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:51:33 -0000 X-Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so7330380gxk.1 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:51:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.26.12 with SMTP id d12mr2366089ybj.222.1224100293092; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:51:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0810151251s13585e65ga997403d164a3f96@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:51:33 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F5F5CC.2050503@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <165816ef0810150616r3e70660erd0b8044abb875cf8@mail.gmail.com> <48F5F5CC.2050503@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=R-KKpsOKVVVQRV2rvm9U7ovL7920blcRzMZEWbUhBv7SK4k X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Very neat looking! I do like how they did the "V" shaped seating so that all 6 people can actually see where they're going, but not so spaced out that they don't feel like they're sitting next to someone in the back. The only thing that scared me a bit is how much the OTSR looks like one from a Vekoma SLC. I'd hope this wouldn't be a "sit and bang" Looks like it's a lot of fun though." The V-seating is pretty nice. The combination of stadium seating and the horizontal spread you mentioned make it unique. Plus, it can be run as single cars or paired as a train. I have not ridden this one yet, just seen one of the molds for an '09 ride. I can say that from my experience track fabrication and center of gravity seem to play more into restraint pain than the actual restraint. Case in point, I spoke with two people who rode the new trains on the Great Noreaster and they said that even though you do not hit your head on anything, the back slamming is still there due to sub-par track fab and (in the SLC case) a bad design on the wheel bogies. Also, I have ridden some B&M's with hard restraints, but that did not matter because their track is so dialed in. Having said that, it would not surprise me to see Gerstlauer coasters without OTSR's in 2010. "Now this looks totally awesome! I love how the riders can take the fins and use them to essentially customize their rides- either staying nice and smooth or flipping themselves til the snot starts shooting. Very, very cool. So when are we getting some of these in the states? I want one!" The Euro is not making sales of this one easy. However, it clocks in about the same in dollars as Chance's overpriced Aviator, so who knows. Personal affiliations aside, I think the action on this one blows away the Aviator. A surprise one might come out for 2009, but I doubt it will be in Europe until 2010. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 12:56:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25002 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 19:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 19:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 19:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 19:55:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:55:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30810150654u26f730dbuee44953eebf1e021@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: discussions (was Mamba vs. Racer) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=1bX-zPVbRNm06Np4HfNUo5D0cT1ffq_hqfKkD7vEXtoNjEiONG9DaqtdLw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson"=20 wrote: > We can > either be the place that turns them away and keeps them from ever > joining up or we can be the people who tollerates them until they > learn enough to be worth our time, or we can be the place that > acclimates them openly to the community at large. >=20 > We're not exactly the prettiest and most glamorous of hobbies, the > least we can do is be nice. thank you Senator Aslakson for that response. ;) From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:02:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36405 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 20:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 20:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f19.google.com) (209.85.217.19) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 20:02:45 -0000 X-Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so7137522gxk.10 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:02:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.57.5 with SMTP id f5mr2405254yba.152.1224100964549; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:02:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.46.14 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30810151302o4acb97caxd90be69db96e6f49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:02:44 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30810150654u26f730dbuee44953eebf1e021@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: discussions (was Mamba vs. Racer) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Z8Bn1Ab4Oh-IXh4yeqoin5vCqZH9iSb9peEizSXn67oxd7L1 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Great so even ignoring as much political stuff as I can this year I'm starting to sound like them. Ugh. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson" > wrote: >> We can >> either be the place that turns them away and keeps them from ever >> joining up or we can be the people who tollerates them until they >> learn enough to be worth our time, or we can be the place that >> acclimates them openly to the community at large. >> >> We're not exactly the prettiest and most glamorous of hobbies, the >> least we can do is be nice. > > > thank you Senator Aslakson for that response. ;) > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:20:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17965 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 20:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 20:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 20:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 20:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 20:20:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:20:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810151237y6b68e63fo1faa80bc45c69bd3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: meetup in florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=b3UFXSr9w_N0iaM0zt42vx-J81UG7i9pWpTA-Q9b6t12mL4dTGcNBY2qyg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Funny, at this point, we could still probably go to water parks in > Ohio. At least,l some days. Last weekend it was 80 during the day, and > hoodie weather at night. My favorite. :-D >=20 > Josh well, good to see global warming has at least one positive spin to=20 it! :P From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:41:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67457 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 20:41:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 20:41:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f15.google.com) (209.85.217.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 20:41:14 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so6417759gxk.3 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr324662wfe.319.1224103273573; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810151341n51c60b90v62bd3b3e0fb103d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:41:13 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0810151237y6b68e63fo1faa80bc45c69bd3@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: meetup in florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=iBUig6Ivy764uckZ-UCMrtk3qrxbR8HaxJD-BADTE_pvaWVfzA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Yeah, that's the part I left out when I sent that - I can deal with Global Warming if this is what it brings on! :-D On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" > wrote: >> >> Funny, at this point, we could still probably go to water parks in >> Ohio. At least,l some days. Last weekend it was 80 during the day, and >> hoodie weather at night. My favorite. :-D >> >> Josh > > well, good to see global warming has at least one positive spin to > it! :P > > From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 14:09:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7629 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 517043.49251.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 33227 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _by2AvwVM1mdEjyiDxy36x7T6FCdF9ybvFG1Wh0xRJ.QViGIBcqjoytLVDVPfvq8zIDKACux2L.owYBBsOI8TLKYEYy3fCWLOUPyZhGu0GcFsKBgUQ7b6S9uXEZTbHZVthcQCVhRdSTr0rh7qBtxPjhfpjCRWQthXv5HB.0NTBep1ubuSz7a7ZlsiAIH X-Received: from [70.126.126.234] by web45209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:09:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:09:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <989175.32806.qm@web45209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=uw6oCAH-gF0ET4KJhwuhbDLHhIETGfwxD3C9zzcS2KpHuJiKzt6a X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did this as a project of my own back in May 2006. I think it's time to tell all. Check out: http://groups.myspace.com/rollercoastertalk Now before anyone freaks out on me, this site never took off, but having alittle insight into what may happen down the road with MySpace, I reserved it, and own it. It can be used as a companion to the emails, and I am sure we WILL get alot more exposure if all of a sudden those of us on MySpace blew this up... BIG TIME! No one needs to be approved. Any one can come and go as they please. Joe Tampa Bay, FL ----- Original Message ---- From: george burnash To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:27:00 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OT:Myspace Josh W wrote: > > > This is an idea I can actually get behind. We used to have a group > members section on the website (long since neglected) with pictures > and the like - It's still there, and it's open for just about anyone to add to it. It's not hard to do. I'd love to see more people add contributions to it. keep on ridin' George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 15:21:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23517 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 22:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 22:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 22:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KqEk8-0008Ju-SF for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:21:24 -0400 Message-ID: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:21:12 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92c09d287edee1ce68ca1696de02746a4b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=55ao563L9xURzjjZhXGrBEskJeAiDn9KMs4WDZ7P8nTfw_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > what about just a basic vBulletin or something like that? a phpbb > board? The problem with that, or with the myspace group, or any web-based bulletin board system is that we will lose far more people on the list than we will gain, including many of our long time members. A great number of people on the list get their messages via email. Last time I tried to estimate the numbers were around 70% that were active on the list through email as opposed to using the site. Many of those would never even go near a website or use a bulletin board, and we would lose them. That's probably the biggest reason that would essentially eliminate any sort of change to a message board system. And goodness knows that if people are wanting a message board for coasters that there are plenty out there already- plenty of good ones. It's part of what keeps us unique, in that from the beginning we've always been an email based system- and we're one of the few that you can get pretty much anywhere you go since so many now get their emails on blackberries and other devices now. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 15:24:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22621 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 22:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 22:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 22:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KqEmm-00071p-5L for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:24:08 -0400 Message-ID: <48F66D7C.4060701@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:23:56 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92adc768b39f78db4c8615055efbaa27bf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: meetup in florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Tk5_2G9IxYBpZY0_VGnEf14ZFEtIr7mRiElNuWtwEQy93O4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > nice! i havent been since Starliner was installed. anyone else ridden > it yet? i havent even seen any pics of it yet! I'll be sure to get a bunch Friday when we go. :) > us either. funny how you can still go to a waterpark in october, > eh? :) heck, I've used my Disney passes to Blizzard Beach in January! How many can say that? :) > > I'm determined to get to Sea World during > > December this year and see their Christmas stuff for once. > > really? do they do something special there for the holidays, > decorations-wise? > They convert Wild Arctic over into a Polar Express Experience, with movie clips and decoration, decorate the park, have carolers wander the park and I've heard other things as well. Have to see when I go. :) > actually december would probably work better anyways. sept and oct > tend to be crazy busy for my wife at her job and she cant do much > park action. she is actually out of town on business next weekend, > which is why i was going to try and hit Seaworld with the kiddie. but > come december it might be easier to go, and if the park decorates up > the place, i dont see why we couldnt hit the place once during the > holidays. Sounds like a possibly plan then. I'll try and find out what our Dec schedule is when I can and block out a Saturday. keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 15:41:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46373 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 22:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 22:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 22:41:38 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so3364150wfc.18 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.30.16 with SMTP id h16mr631214wfj.294.1224110498051; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810151541u51febba3yd67120af8ef8f1d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:41:37 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=YWkoMCOz0fjhC1aeQB-95buvcP8JX8aWXdOIxoruIZVewF5GqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I know that you're not directing at me, but I never once mentioned a forum/bulletin board when I offered up hosting. I am talking a 100% self-sustained email list, identical to yahoo's, but controlled under our terms and not theirs. Josh On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:21 PM, george burnash wrote: > Doug Nelson wrote: > >> >> what about just a basic vBulletin or something like that? a phpbb >> board? > > The problem with that, or with the myspace group, or any web-based > bulletin board system is that we will lose far more people on the list > than we will gain, including many of our long time members. A great > number of people on the list get their messages via email. Last time I > tried to estimate the numbers were around 70% that were active on the > list through email as opposed to using the site. Many of those would > never even go near a website or use a bulletin board, and we would lose > them. That's probably the biggest reason that would essentially > eliminate any sort of change to a message board system. > > And goodness knows that if people are wanting a message board for > coasters that there are plenty out there already- plenty of good ones. > It's part of what keeps us unique, in that from the beginning we've > always been an email based system- and we're one of the few that you can > get pretty much anywhere you go since so many now get their emails on > blackberries and other devices now. > > keep on ridin' > George > From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Oct 15 15:42:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37144 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 22:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 22:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 22:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 22:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 22:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 22:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 22:42:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:42:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Mamba vs. Racer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=Ep7UsdKWZb9qz9f8VCEch7JWr94-hNhSoI-j8qhtzQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj I know some roads...=20 Yes what you say is very true (unless you have your own "vomit comet") So this is the logic: get your positive and lateral g's on way in and your = low g's on the ride.=20=20 I can see this. Do you have another "hard" definition for airtime? I would like to see any= documentation=20 on it. I don't want to use the word really so I think as I publish more r= esults I will just let=20 the "g" ranges speak for themselves. I am working on a website that will have as much data on coasters as I can = get collected.=20=20 So how this can be presented in useable way is kind of important.=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" wrote: > > Here's something for you to consider. I understand you enjoy riding a=20 > motorcycle, and that you also like the strong positive gs of a coaster. >=20 > I, too, can get a good dose of positive gs in a variety of ways. But=20 > negative g? Hard to get while still on this planet, except on a good=20 > out-and-back. >=20 > Jon Z >=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > wrote: > > > > > Jon Z (airtime whore) > > >=20 > > I never will understand airtime whores but they do ride the ride so=20 > you gotta respect 'em. > From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Oct 15 16:30:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35327 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 23:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 23:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 23:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 23:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 23:30:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:30:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48F5E1F5.8060209@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=EOiz5RvdlKRRb_ClcOtPh-FavDUZp7C-JPW0dDsE-OU X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > > Michael Cowan wrote: >=20 > > This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post. Mike did not > > do anything to start a flame war, he just offered his opinion on the > > topic. Jon tried to make the case that Mike was ignorant, turns out > > he's a freakin rocket scientist (I don't know about him, but the few > > aerospace engineers that I know personally are rocket scientists). So > > instead he turns around and says that because he disagrees with Jon's > > post regarding data recieved through a fake accelerometer, he must > > have a character flaw. I don't like to blow the therapist horn, but > > seriously John, there's only one person in this thread displaying a > > character flaw. >=20 > Yeah, gotta agree with that one. Jon, you might want to try that again.= =20 > I have a strong feeling that you still haven't figured out who a lot=20 > of the people on the list are, and when you make absolutes then=20 > responses like that you only make yourself look silly. Be willing to=20 > learn and be corrected. We all have to be sometimes, and you'll make a=20 > lot more friends that way as well. I have to take issue with the assumptions of this. For the record this was the original post: "Nice chart. Were they taken from multiple rides and averaged together? So, where are all the B&M haters? Patriot clearly has the most reads in the 2-3g range and virtually nothing in the 3+ g range. Hell, Spinning Dragons has more in the 3+ g range. Pretty embarrassing for an inverted coaster, they should be all about positive g's like Batman is. Mike" "So where are all the B&M haters?" His words not mine... In my part of the Internet that is a invite to a flame fight.=20=20 I promoted the "ignorance pawn" to see if his ego would take it. He did and= then I hit him=20 with the then you "should have known better" rook.=20=20=20 Comparing Batman with no data posted to Patriot was in error. The worse pos= sible=20 discussion: error drawing an unrelated conclusion. He has no idea what the= iPhone's=20 sensor is going to come up with on Batman.=20=20 If you want to accuse me of using nuclear weapons in a knife fight. Okay, = honestly that is=20 my way. Just don't accuse me of starting it, the guy with the knife did th= at. The accelerometer in an iPhone is a LIS302DL three axis accelerometer sensi= tive to less=20 then 0.080 g's per digit. on the 8 g scale. (the more digits "used" the le= ss sensitive it gets)=20 It is a real tool not a toy. I am using it as a toy but that is about me n= ot it. It is not a=20 "fake." BTW: To us physics types engineers are guys who can't do quantum mechanics = and look=20 up formulas instead of deriving them. I have tutored many of them in my ti= me. They have=20 things to say about us to, most of which I laugh at, because its funny. Do= n't get me=20 started about the mathematicians.=20=20 Why bring this up? Because that kind of "name calling" was not part of it.= Could have be=20 but it wasn't.=20=20 If "hater" means something different around here then sorry for the fallout= . From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Oct 15 16:44:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46708 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 23:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2008 23:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 23:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 23:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 23:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 23:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2008 23:44:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:44:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24942058-2B55-4C23-847B-4EC2211CE26E@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Graphs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=CRfayr2YjYUcLuy0WhKQTUmMTzoAhy2agYU4-sRa86U X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Mike Filippone = wrote: > > >>> Bottom line the BEST way to take your first post was that you were = =20 > >>> ignorant. > >>> If you are not > >>> ignorant then you must have a character flaw. I won't assume the=20=20 > >>> best about > >>> you again. > >>> > >> > >> > >> This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post. Mike did = =20 > >> not > >> do anything to start a flame war, he just offered his opinion on the > >> topic. Jon tried to make the case that Mike was ignorant, turns out > >> he's a freakin rocket scientist (I don't know about him, but the few > >> aerospace engineers that I know personally are rocket scientists). = =20 > >> So > >> instead he turns around and says that because he disagrees with Jon's > >> post regarding data recieved through a fake accelerometer, he must > >> have a character flaw. I don't like to blow the therapist horn, but > >> seriously John, there's only one person in this thread displaying a > >> character flaw. > >> > >> How are we, as a list, standing for this. George you have been > >> playing the moderator card a lot lately, but I haven't seen you use = =20 > >> it > >> against this guy at all yet. Maybe you did it in private, but I feel > >> like the list deserves at least the knowledge that something is being > >> done here. > >> > >> MikeSKA > >> -I have a bunch of stitches and they're all itchy and sore and I=20=20 > >> can't > >> sleep so I'm much less tolerant than I normally try to be > >> > > > > Jumping from the crude data to the conclusion Mike did was either=20=20 > > ignorant, childish or > > mean. B&M this, Batman that. If he had taken his own data and then = =20 > > jumped in the list > > with that statement fine. If he had said that he likes Batman=20=20 > > better then Patriot, fine. To > > use something I posted out of context like that is an attack, an=20=20 > > insult and a frankly a > > comment a "professional" should not have made. I would never=20=20 > > compare two different > > instruments measuring two objects with who knows what methods in two = =20 > > different places. > > Mike may know what was used to give Batman the "4g" claim but he=20=20 > > sited the "internet" > > and in any case I there are two possibilities. a.) The numbers on=20=20 > > the internet are made up. > > b.) The numbers were from much better equipment then I have. In=20=20 > > either case you can't > > compare them. When someone did compare them the BEST conclusion one = =20 > > could draw is > > that they were ignorant. Because when you know you should do=20=20 > > something and you so it > > anyway what is that? >=20 > Ok dude, you need to start being a little bit more respectful,=20=20 > otherwise this is my last response in your direction, because I'm=20=20 > getting pretty sick of your attitude. >=20 > 1) Reread my original post. Others seemed to be jumping down your=20=20 > throat when you posted data from the iPhone, so I tried to point out=20=20 > that the B&M coaster hardly had any >3g forces than other coasters you = =20 > measured, which I thought was interesting. I don't know why you took = =20 > this so personal, or felt the need to educate me what magnitude meant, = =20 > like somehow it's your fault that the B&M coaster didn't generate more = =20 > positive g's. > 2) I'm not sure what you're talking about, that somehow I'm being=20=20 > impartial with Batman appearing to have more g's than Patriot. In the = =20 > "B&M's are forceless" debates, which we've debated about pretty much=20=20 > since the list started, typically Batman is noted as one of the few=20=20 > B&Ms to be pretty forceful. I've never been on Patriot, so I have no = =20 > clue how many positive g's it has. Judging by your data, like I said, = =20 > I thought it was interesting that it doesn't appear to have that much. >=20 > So, you can either understand that I'm trying to be a little nice over = =20 > here, or not. Your call. >=20 > Mike > Okay Thank you. Just understand as a scientist using the data beyond its limits is a very t= ouchy thing.=20=20 Batman is not related to the data. I will get Batman data but not this sea= son.=20=20 It looked like a troll for a flame from here. If it wasn't I was wrong in = my conclusion. If you are still interested in data I added Vortex and Flight of fear. http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Compare1.htm Again Thank You. From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Oct 15 17:35:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24324 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2008 00:35:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:35:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Coasternaut Group. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=0Zhx_4A8Bi-cYj-O0295F_aH32p4c5Qvi41V1CXLl5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj The physics content seems to be unwelcome here. As such I started a differ= ent group for it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coasternauts/ All a welcome. Bring your calculators and slide rules. And your sense of humor. I will lurk here and wake people up from time to time but there is nothing = to discuss here so I=20 see no reason to hang. Ride like is is your last. (They are closing the park.) From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 18:46:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46799 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 01:46:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 01:46:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 01:46:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59819 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2008 01:46:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XhgyLDUVM1lLA6qAmIDPWXiJqw24AOHwCOocHFErJ1LpPlzyPuSdpBrXU1vFLQ4xAVCyCTEzAKDJLF83Pu814Lp.kFKZb15Annj.IM_1ZPQcWOV2l3e.hNeTfRlvbYCwlOmtLKUG5nEX13YqHQGAvROMjl5TbRuZp1AkzaHbujnXUQQX645BEqYFfA-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:46:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:46:49 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1224072475.11126.3522.m54@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <992265.59808.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MISC: The Website (was OT: MySpace) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=qFQaixPL2Yo30xppis92ySGO6soztYHlPmksVpUJ4kVF4G2ou_8v X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It needs a complete overhaul and the like. It would be nice to see it in working order again < Well, I began to overhaul it many months ago and I asked for some feedback, but no one responded. So I figured there wasn't any interest in it and my attention shifted elsewhere. I'd be happy to continue re-working it, if there's an interest. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 18:54:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39944 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 01:54:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 01:54:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 01:54:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65427 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2008 01:54:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: icaQlQAVM1kC4AecP0OrHFpKv9fyb1nryK.zD6gMlgZYEk.pXDGzEui6NCN7gTI6WmYyfue_28lMYOaGB5niVsTt_VV_iGOcvNbdZsm1akh64aKqGmVG_hLKsjB1VTaMQFTbGibBw1FSbfuJc2QzcjMoP4vqWVNQBxRaRak26G2s4u86VHlOTwLYhQ-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:54:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:54:43 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1224097834.20709.5902.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <587354.60819.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 3084 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=e_q8TaucFXL8vfvaGkrTXqvRBArXBaBseu6HGwYWe_DvBUqOVudO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > That's just it, "the base community" here have all been around here so long that there's kind of nothing left to discuss. [snip] Who writes TRs anymore? < Ummmm...me? And I'll keep writing them as long as I keep going to parks. Right now in New England there's not much going on for me except my job. (I'm chair of our department now.) So I'm busier than usual. But I still love reading the discussions. I disagree that there's nothing left to discuss. As long as there are people traveling to parks and riding coasters I've never been to, then I'll be interested in reading about it. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:29:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75310 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 02:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 02:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 02:29:27 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so2959427wff.10 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.13.13 with SMTP id 13mr676685wfm.127.1224124166821; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810151929h1e32b86v5ae7dd1233f0052@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:29:26 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <587354.60819.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1224097834.20709.5902.m45@yahoogroups.com> <587354.60819.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 3084 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=9fxmUOU3ReYhp11H-xoIsAhn4M4ed7ETX10Ws6fgDZEgzhQNVA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> > > (I'm chair of our department now.) Awesome. Coincidence? I've recently become my department's door mat! Thanks, I'm here all week. -Josh From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 23:14:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49378 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 06:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 06:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 06:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2008 06:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2008 06:14:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:14:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <992265.59808.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.179.139 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: The Website (was OT: MySpace) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zAx3LNW9HK9qA5tZVkqmr9f0cdClK3zg8TccfeNc-PAEsHmeXw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 So much to respond to!=20 OK, here's my $0.02 on the posts of the past 2 or 3 days: This was the first coaster group of any type I joined, and still my=20 favorite bunch of people I've STILL never met. (OK, I've met Cameron=20 and Beth all too briefly.) I have always acessed it via the site, but for the past couple years=20 now, the Navy has blocked logging into Yahoo in any way. I can read=20 the posts, but not respond unless I'm at home.=20 The notion of a seperate dedicated site holds great attraction to me.=20 If it stays an e-mail group, that's great. If it becomes something=20 else, I can adjust.=20 I haven't done any TR's for a while. I know that largely this is=20 similar to me not taking pictures much anymore. I guess I just figure=20 the US parks I've been going to these past 2 years are either places=20 most of us have been a bunch of times, or have been exhaustively=20 covered. (I am intending on visiting some off the beaten path parks=20 outside the US next month, I guess I'd better put my money where my=20 mouth is and do a TR for that trip!) I was almost proud of myself for not rising to the bait, then I=20 realized that I started it and couldn't repond in kind, as I couldn't=20 even respond at all at the time. Sorry, John! In any case, with the season at SFGAm ending soon, I should at least=20 be able to log in here on the weekends and participate like a good=20 boy.=20 I'm definitely interested in seeing what Jay and Mike (?) come up=20 with for new web site stuff! Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > It needs a complete overhaul and the like. It would be nice to=20 see it > in working order again < >=20 > Well, I began to overhaul it many months ago and I asked for some=20 feedback, but no one responded. So I figured there wasn't any=20 interest in it and my attention shifted elsewhere. I'd be happy to=20 continue re-working it, if there's an interest. >=20 > Jay > From lance@screamscape.com Thu Oct 16 06:21:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80669 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 13:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 13:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0106.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 13:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from dm0000.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0106.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656EA474C18 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 X-Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm101.48f61564.3f0c8 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:20:37 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI9z+l6Oh/6AIAAAAB,7c52aec23f41af47ab88647b895e0b9c Message-ID: To: References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:20:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=XrqM10aw1gWRDIQAoLE380EPM4V7mVdH9jsR9xVgcHjGDWNttodgN1vBLg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Just a thought, but I could funnel a ton of new potential readers into the list if I promote it on Screamscape as I do with other site links for countless other fan sites. Maybe drive up the traffic a bit... though I didn't want to open the flood gates too wide if we're worried about being overwhelmed by posts. What do you think? From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 06:38:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85053 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 13:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 13:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 13:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KqT3f-0000TN-Q8 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:38:31 -0400 Message-ID: <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:38:15 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92127010951c6625360f5f6141733323fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=8Yc5rMpRUBrP0gT1eJ8UagvjkcplcMMNtkco4qjLVQJad0M X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance wrote: > > > Just a thought, but I could funnel a ton of new potential readers into the > list if I promote it on Screamscape as I do with other site links for > countless other fan sites. Maybe drive up the traffic a bit... though I > didn't want to open the flood gates too wide if we're worried about being > overwhelmed by posts. > What do you think? I'm certainly for it! I just hope that some are willing to put up with some of the "silly" questions that new people ask, like what's a coaster, what's the difference between wood and steel coasters, etc. But I've no issues with you promoting it. Heck, I've wondered sometimes why you haven't before. :P (just a little ribbing there for you Lance) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 06:48:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13929 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 13:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 13:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 13:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KqTDQ-0004tF-61 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:48:36 -0400 Message-ID: <48F74624.6060406@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:48:20 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0810151541u51febba3yd67120af8ef8f1d0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810151541u51febba3yd67120af8ef8f1d0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92d0cc04979408a022d41226408aef07e3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ihcWglnPgyR0g_PXgzEYBCqqWjssqGPn2TWBfjlZq1MsYqk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > I know that you're not directing at me, but I never once mentioned a > forum/bulletin board when I offered up hosting. I am talking a 100% > self-sustained email list, identical to yahoo's, but controlled under > our terms and not theirs. > No, I know you didn't, but a couple of others did talk about forums, which is why I mentioned that. I did talk about the problems and my worries with an "independant" email list on another post, but you might have missed it in my flood of messages. First- we would (might) lose all the features that come with yahoo, including a lot of the backside features that I really like that most aren't aware of- people have to request to be on the list, and give me a reason why, which allows me to screen them. That's one major way I keep the spammers off the list. I can also limit individual posters abilities to post- either approving each message they send, editing the posts, or even eliminating them if I need to. Admitedly I've only used this on a couple of people in the past, but I like having it there for when we do rarely run into trolls or people I suspect early on might be problems. Again, that's helped me eliminate some spammers that everyone else didn't now about. Second, there's Yahoos fleixibility for members. There are features that let people choose individual emails, digests, or reading on the web, and replying to posts in any of those 3 ways. People can use it via email, but they can also treat it like a simplified message board as well if they want. That's something that would likely be lost on a self-sustained email list. Third is the message archives. None of the messages from our days at World of Coasters were available to be read again, searched, indexed, etc. After being sent out they were gone and gone for good. I love that Yahoo archives them, and that I can go back and search through every message sent finding old posts, TR's, information etc. That would also likely be lost on a self sustained list. Also, importing the email addresses from one list to another is a serious breach of privacy practices, so everyone would have to independently sign up on the new list again. The last move was a major pain. I don't want to do it again if we don't have to. :D There are other reasons I hesitate to go that route as well. Now some of that may have changed in ways I'm not familiar with, but that'll give you some ideas of why I hesitate to go that route. I still think a well built web-site to accentuate, highlight, and build from the group is the best way to go. Jay does have some work done. Anyone actually willing to help him out with it? (websites are just simply not my area) keep on ridin' George From lance@screamscape.com Thu Oct 16 06:48:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66426 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 13:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 13:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0107.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 13:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0107.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215E2B2D39E for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:48:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm103.48f6073b.369f3 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:48:47 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlI90Y/X4CYOQIAAAAB,75ef8ad4765278a4a14eb7d6fd092c21 Message-ID: To: References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:49:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=puQw9cp6TM-iMlChaki4kULCq8AGFStKIWOzlKIzfxOCx91vB1VOUW_B3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Heck, I've wondered sometimes why you haven't before. :P (just a > little ribbing there for you Lance) I'm just busy in general... you have no idea how backlogged with stuff I need to do on that site I am right now. But I'll give it a mention today and see if we can drive up some attendance here. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 06:52:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11539 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 13:52:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 13:52:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 13:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KqTH9-0001Yo-CD for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: <48F7470B.7030502@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:52:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a923891f81d9e582549a36d6d532166078b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=UurGiOa6jIZUajyEioeIqxKre4508WAm9ZaDj_2YfRQQvdk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance wrote: > I'm just busy in general... you have no idea how backlogged with stuff I > need to do on that site I am right now. But I'll give it a mention today > and > see if we can drive up some attendance here. Looking around at my own backlog of things, I can imagine a little bit of how much you must get and have to do. And when you've got one of the most popular web sites out there... Yeah, I know it's a ton of stuff on your plate. So I really do appreciate that you've been an active part of the list for so long, and that you're willing to mention it. :) Now to get ready for the flood of approvals I'll have to do. hehe keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 12:37:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11455 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 19:37:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 19:37:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 19:37:36 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so150019wfc.24 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.1 with SMTP id v1mr1910160rvp.245.1224185856367; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:37:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ZzPGGzTSucNrmQdBtyzScjRUN-XOFwKH2ncGZHKEzBr7EKYzPprcc30 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> Just a thought, but I could funnel a ton of new potential readers into the >> list if I promote it on Screamscape as I do with other site links for >> countless other fan sites. > I'm certainly for it! I just hope that some are willing to put up with > some of the "silly" questions that new people ask, like what's a > coaster, what's the difference between wood and steel coasters, etc. Okay, but if we're going to do a re-work/build a new website and possibly move out of Yahoo completely, perhaps we should do that before promoting the group to a bunch of new readers? Just a thought... -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 14:39:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69429 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 21:39:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 21:39:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.186) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 21:39:49 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k56so131384rnd.19 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.109.13 with SMTP id h13mr4396691anc.21.1224193189368; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810161439w77acc861j5429489eefb7f42a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:39:49 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=p6Oqszo452F9IfbV1PFKMGmX3O28PQmqhmBve1_VQoTSiIM X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I really don't see what thre point of a new rebuilt website would be if we remain on the yahoo group. I understand that there are a few people that post through that site, and once in a great while people will upload a file, but other than that who really checks the group page? If we were to put a lot of effort into a website, we should move the group to that page (which Josh has offered to host and help build). this would allow us to promote our site and our group on other coaster boards and draw in a new stream of members. I don't know much about web design though, so I don't know how possible that really is. just an idea. mikeska On 10/16/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >>> Just a thought, but I could funnel a ton of new potential readers into >>> the >>> list if I promote it on Screamscape as I do with other site links for >>> countless other fan sites. > >> I'm certainly for it! I just hope that some are willing to put up with >> some of the "silly" questions that new people ask, like what's a >> coaster, what's the difference between wood and steel coasters, etc. > > > Okay, but if we're going to do a re-work/build a new website and > possibly move out of Yahoo completely, perhaps we should do that > before promoting the group to a bunch of new readers? Just a > thought... > > -Nate > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 15:11:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90056 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 22:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2008 22:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.174) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 22:10:56 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so227103wff.10 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.191.10 with SMTP id o10mr994658wff.94.1224195056357; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810161510l73e46e6bo9e884069afe2e53d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:10:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=liBffXiA3GtEOO73qEOTjAB2KS0wktfAvDg38p4JlWET3t4y-A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I agree wholeheartedly. In all honesty, a self sustaining mailing list would function almost identical to yahoo, since the features are all programmed by the administrator. I know we've been on yahoo for a long time, but if we want to graduate to the next level of "professionalism" and become a serious and established list/club/organization/etc... then it's time to make that move. I can come up with a visually appealing flash or DreamWeaver website in under 2 hours, granted all of the content will take some time to align and get everyone on the same page. (har har unintentional pun) as far as the layout and the list etc... I'll start on the site, and a "test" list to see if we like it - anyone who would like to help me beta test to see how the functionality is, please shoot me an email ASAP. (this is just a trial run, if it doesn't work out then, well.. it doesn't work out.) Josh On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > I really don't see what thre point of a new rebuilt website would be > if we remain on the yahoo group. I understand that there are a few > people that post through that site, and once in a great while people > will upload a file, but other than that who really checks the group > page? If we were to put a lot of effort into a website, we should > move the group to that page (which Josh has offered to host and help > build). this would allow us to promote our site and our group on > other coaster boards and draw in a new stream of members. I don't > know much about web design though, so I don't know how possible that > really is. just an idea. > > mikeska > > On 10/16/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >>>> Just a thought, but I could funnel a ton of new potential readers into >>>> the >>>> list if I promote it on Screamscape as I do with other site links for >>>> countless other fan sites. >> >>> I'm certainly for it! I just hope that some are willing to put up with >>> some of the "silly" questions that new people ask, like what's a >>> coaster, what's the difference between wood and steel coasters, etc. >> >> >> Okay, but if we're going to do a re-work/build a new website and >> possibly move out of Yahoo completely, perhaps we should do that >> before promoting the group to a bunch of new readers? Just a >> thought... >> >> -Nate >> > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 18:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65799 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 01:28:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 01:28:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 01:28:31 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so492218wff.30 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr1053727wfd.256.1224206911153; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810161828v497e585cg403862ffa4d7eeac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:28:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion. 2.0 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=OdLh2RTtqYFmLQuEY-csQSF2Yq0DOdwfGpYP_5egzo42p0JYOw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Also, a note about porting email addresses over being a privacy issue. So long as we are moving the database from yahoo to another service, or an internally managed list, there is no legality issue involved. As long as our new list serves essentially the same purpose as the one we would be moving from, it's often the simplest and most "legally conscious" way to do it. Companies do it all the time when they upgrade their systems, or add a new server. It's a simple database migration. Now, if I were to start a NEW list, call it "coasters and toasters" and migrate people over without their permission, that would be an issue - but since it would be a bigger and badder, and easier to handle, version of this yahoo group, it's legit. -Josh On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > I really don't see what thre point of a new rebuilt website would be > if we remain on the yahoo group. I understand that there are a few > people that post through that site, and once in a great while people > will upload a file, but other than that who really checks the group > page? If we were to put a lot of effort into a website, we should > move the group to that page (which Josh has offered to host and help > build). this would allow us to promote our site and our group on > other coaster boards and draw in a new stream of members. I don't > know much about web design though, so I don't know how possible that > really is. just an idea. > > mikeska > > On 10/16/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >>>> Just a thought, but I could funnel a ton of new potential readers into >>>> the >>>> list if I promote it on Screamscape as I do with other site links for >>>> countless other fan sites. >> >>> I'm certainly for it! I just hope that some are willing to put up with >>> some of the "silly" questions that new people ask, like what's a >>> coaster, what's the difference between wood and steel coasters, etc. >> >> >> Okay, but if we're going to do a re-work/build a new website and >> possibly move out of Yahoo completely, perhaps we should do that >> before promoting the group to a bunch of new readers? Just a >> thought... >> >> -Nate >> > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 19:14:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75281 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 02:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 02:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 02:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KqerP-0004JC-DC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <48F7F4FF.8090503@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:14:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a923b0d53126bf03d1d5e383d390902d856350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=NzNKGhD_cSW5xZekv9_4QSA9RKYYyU1BrjP0u3KEqE4Oqqs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Okay, but if we're going to do a re-work/build a new website and > possibly move out of Yahoo completely, perhaps we should do that > before promoting the group to a bunch of new readers? Just a > thought... > Guess you missed my other posts that, in short, said we're not moving out of Yahoo. It was an idea that Josh and a couple of others had that I tried to politely say wasn't going to happen and why. We're staying at Yahoo. But that doesn't mean that the other site with profiles, information and other stuff on it like our old site couldn't be seriously updated and rebuilt. Two very different elements there. :) keep on ridin George From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 19:21:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29802 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 02:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 02:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 02:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kqexo-00017m-RH for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:21:16 -0400 Message-ID: <48F7F68D.8070104@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:21:01 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0810161439w77acc861j5429489eefb7f42a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810161439w77acc861j5429489eefb7f42a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a923ef6f180c00b816d57c0fb92608bd5d9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=P4qrzwlhPucIvxPKOi7UlAJmOlcPImTasJK6oJ9g9mvLSQ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > > > I really don't see what thre point of a new rebuilt website would be > if we remain on the yahoo group. I understand that there are a few > people that post through that site, and once in a great while people > will upload a file, but other than that who really checks the group > page? If we were to put a lot of effort into a website, we should > move the group to that page (which Josh has offered to host and help > build). this would allow us to promote our site and our group on > other coaster boards and draw in a new stream of members. I don't > know much about web design though, so I don't know how possible that > really is. just an idea. Ok, since there seems to be some confusion (and frankly I have a feeling that some haven't read my other posts on the subject- to long and wordy maybe?) here it is again in short form. We're not moving from Yahoo. Period. There is no advantage at all to moving from Yahoo outside of losing a couple of ads on the emails, and a lot of other problems would arise. Frankly I'd love to see a lot more people using the group site. There is a lot there that can be used if people would take a few minutes to look. There are only a very few things that we'd like to put on a website, that we actually had on a site at one point, and they're things that we can't do on Yahoo. Personal profiles of the main posters, along with favorite coasters, parks, and other info was one things. A searchable list of Trip Reports so those getting ready to visit a park could read up on what was there, or those wanting to know about a park could see what others had said. We also had other photos and files on the site at the time, though Yahoo has now massively increased the space they give us. Essentially all it was for was to put a few additions that we wanted, and give us a web presence outside of the Yahoo list. It was just to give a little extra to the group to make it feel more personal. I have no interest or desire to create another coaster website, email list, discussion board, etc. There's plenty of them out there already, there's no reason to create another one. If you really want a new site, feel free to create one, but the list isn't moving to one. Does that help clear it up? :) keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 19:25:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40433 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 02:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 02:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 02:25:26 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so374182wff.3 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:25:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.207.8 with SMTP id e8mr1091193wfg.110.1224210326514; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:25:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810161925w1b2317cag5d55494eb8623661@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:25:26 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F7F68D.8070104@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0810161439w77acc861j5429489eefb7f42a@mail.gmail.com> <48F7F68D.8070104@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=RKoXpB5xnYj8tYFf84M6Eb3TpiYrxFU7t0Z2C_qMiP60JiJZRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I does. I spent a lot of time on a site tonight, and it's clear that we're not moving away from anything. I looked into self-hosting an email list, and it just can't compare to yahoo's features.. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:21 PM, george burnash wrote: > Michael Cowan wrote: >> >> >> I really don't see what thre point of a new rebuilt website would be >> if we remain on the yahoo group. I understand that there are a few >> people that post through that site, and once in a great while people >> will upload a file, but other than that who really checks the group >> page? If we were to put a lot of effort into a website, we should >> move the group to that page (which Josh has offered to host and help >> build). this would allow us to promote our site and our group on >> other coaster boards and draw in a new stream of members. I don't >> know much about web design though, so I don't know how possible that >> really is. just an idea. > > Ok, since there seems to be some confusion (and frankly I have a feeling > that some haven't read my other posts on the subject- to long and wordy > maybe?) here it is again in short form. > > We're not moving from Yahoo. Period. There is no advantage at all to > moving from Yahoo outside of losing a couple of ads on the emails, and a > lot of other problems would arise. > > Frankly I'd love to see a lot more people using the group site. There > is a lot there that can be used if people would take a few minutes to > look. > > There are only a very few things that we'd like to put on a website, > that we actually had on a site at one point, and they're things that we > can't do on Yahoo. Personal profiles of the main posters, along with > favorite coasters, parks, and other info was one things. A searchable > list of Trip Reports so those getting ready to visit a park could read > up on what was there, or those wanting to know about a park could see > what others had said. We also had other photos and files on the site at > the time, though Yahoo has now massively increased the space they give > us. Essentially all it was for was to put a few additions that we > wanted, and give us a web presence outside of the Yahoo list. It was > just to give a little extra to the group to make it feel more personal. > > I have no interest or desire to create another coaster website, email > list, discussion board, etc. There's plenty of them out there already, > there's no reason to create another one. If you really want a new site, > feel free to create one, but the list isn't moving to one. > > Does that help clear it up? :) > > keep on ridin' > George > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 19:29:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52689 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 02:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 02:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 02:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kqf60-0008SZ-RO for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:29:44 -0400 Message-ID: <48F7F889.20207@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:29:29 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76e1ec0a0810161510l73e46e6bo9e884069afe2e53d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810161510l73e46e6bo9e884069afe2e53d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a927878fdf7a23e48c66483325610d9d046350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=jMrELbHweAHDfFYIPl_ROJPHIbcRDWoxEqenYsO0x1q0AMk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > I agree wholeheartedly. In all honesty, a self sustaining mailing list > would function almost identical to yahoo, since the features are all > programmed by the administrator. It may function similarly, but it's not going to have all of the functionality. And again, we would completely lose our archives as well as any ability to build new ones. I'm not willing to give that up. You also haven't addressed any of the other issues that I brought up. It almost seems that they're being completely overlooked by a couple that are hooked on wanting something new when there isn't any need for something new. > > I know we've been on yahoo for a long time, but if we want to graduate > to the next level of "professionalism" and become a serious and > established list/club/organization/etc... then it's time to make that > move. We're already an established list. Outside of one or two people who said we should be a "serious club"? Until we get more than a few people making productive posts and serious contributions, why go to all the other stuff. You don't build a building when there is no foundation there to build it on. And you don't leave the foundation you have when there isn't any need. > So long as we are moving the database from yahoo to another service, > or an internally managed list, there is no legality issue involved. As > long as our new list serves essentially the same purpose as the one we > would be moving from, it's often the simplest and most "legally > conscious" way to do it. Companies do it all the time when they > upgrade their systems, or add a new server. It's a simple database > migration. Incorrect. It would be establishing a new "organization" as it would no longer be under Yahoo's jurisdiction. It's very dubious as to whether or not we "own" the email addresses, and there is no permission given to gather those addresses for another site, even if it's run by the same people. At least that's how I understand it. Bill, you're the law expert here, can you weigh in? And it still doesn't address, again, the numerous people who don't get their messages via email and instead use the sight directly. In any case, it's also essentially ignoring my other comments, criticisms, and concerns, and unless and until those are addressed, it's probably not a good idea to move forward. keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 19:30:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64131 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 02:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 02:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 02:30:04 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so360729wfc.29 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.139.14 with SMTP id m14mr1095535wfd.98.1224210604697; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810161930w5ed3ec82md62c67eb08a47f33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:30:04 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F7F68D.8070104@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0810161439w77acc861j5429489eefb7f42a@mail.gmail.com> <48F7F68D.8070104@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ouRZuWaSGgP1ccS4TFXXUp32WFLfPujBvFm5c6d4D1BAham2Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny In all honesty, if you don't want it, then I'm not putting the effort into it. I'm going to focus my work on other sites. We ran into this before and it's too much for one person to handle alongside a full time job, as well as trying to start up my own company with some friends. One of the aspects of that company happens to be web design and hosting, which is why I've been so eager to try out some new software. I created a very clean, professional looking site using all of my own photography for logos and images, and it would be great to see it maintained, but I don't think we'll be able to coordinate that. Another thing, someone please take the 8/9 year old profiles down, they're embarrassing. :-P Josh On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:21 PM, george burnash wrote: > Michael Cowan wrote: >> >> >> I really don't see what thre point of a new rebuilt website would be >> if we remain on the yahoo group. I understand that there are a few >> people that post through that site, and once in a great while people >> will upload a file, but other than that who really checks the group >> page? If we were to put a lot of effort into a website, we should >> move the group to that page (which Josh has offered to host and help >> build). this would allow us to promote our site and our group on >> other coaster boards and draw in a new stream of members. I don't >> know much about web design though, so I don't know how possible that >> really is. just an idea. > > Ok, since there seems to be some confusion (and frankly I have a feeling > that some haven't read my other posts on the subject- to long and wordy > maybe?) here it is again in short form. > > We're not moving from Yahoo. Period. There is no advantage at all to > moving from Yahoo outside of losing a couple of ads on the emails, and a > lot of other problems would arise. > > Frankly I'd love to see a lot more people using the group site. There > is a lot there that can be used if people would take a few minutes to > look. > > There are only a very few things that we'd like to put on a website, > that we actually had on a site at one point, and they're things that we > can't do on Yahoo. Personal profiles of the main posters, along with > favorite coasters, parks, and other info was one things. A searchable > list of Trip Reports so those getting ready to visit a park could read > up on what was there, or those wanting to know about a park could see > what others had said. We also had other photos and files on the site at > the time, though Yahoo has now massively increased the space they give > us. Essentially all it was for was to put a few additions that we > wanted, and give us a web presence outside of the Yahoo list. It was > just to give a little extra to the group to make it feel more personal. > > I have no interest or desire to create another coaster website, email > list, discussion board, etc. There's plenty of them out there already, > there's no reason to create another one. If you really want a new site, > feel free to create one, but the list isn't moving to one. > > Does that help clear it up? :) > > keep on ridin' > George > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 19:39:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76330 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 02:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 02:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.242) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 02:39:25 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so417335rvb.2 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.212.19 with SMTP id k19mr1092546wfg.155.1224211165573; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810161939w4e3e7ecene698a5119d239eae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:39:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F7F889.20207@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0810161510l73e46e6bo9e884069afe2e53d@mail.gmail.com> <48F7F889.20207@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=gNl-PkHHs5PkZYzIF2Kj_EPKUf7_-23JEv0ZGckCeE4msd-q-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny There's no ignoring anything here, George. Things are being addressed one at a time. Again, it's obvious that you're happy with whatever is there, but I offered a part of my latest venture, free of charge and it's clear that it's not happening. In no way do I mean any offense to Jay here, but our Geocities site is stuck in the 90's, and you wonder why we don't get new members in droves. (our site is literally stuck in the 90's/early 2000's, some of those profiles are 8-9 years old). I don't want to be the next coasterbuzz or themeparkreview, but it's always nice to come to the 21st century. Having an old-school Geocities site - That's like wearing a purple nylon MAGNUM XL200 hat to Coastermania 2007 . :-D (wait, I hope that guy doesn't post here) I already said that I tested the email and it's not that great, and as far as moving it from yahoo to a new source, all we would be doing is changing hosts, and again keeping the list for the same purposes. I do this stuff (server/hosting upgrades/switches) for a living. It's cool though, because I agree that yahoo is the best choice for email list - it's virtually maintenance free. Maybe I, and others, are outgrowing the "old-school" technology of the late 90's, but unfortunately, it's people like us that are using these sites these days. -Josh On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:29 PM, george burnash wrote: > Josh W wrote: >> >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. In all honesty, a self sustaining mailing list >> would function almost identical to yahoo, since the features are all >> programmed by the administrator. > > It may function similarly, but it's not going to have all of the > functionality. And again, we would completely lose our archives as well > as any ability to build new ones. I'm not willing to give that up. You > also haven't addressed any of the other issues that I brought up. It > almost seems that they're being completely overlooked by a couple that > are hooked on wanting something new when there isn't any need for > something new. >> >> I know we've been on yahoo for a long time, but if we want to graduate >> to the next level of "professionalism" and become a serious and >> established list/club/organization/etc... then it's time to make that >> move. > > We're already an established list. Outside of one or two people who > said we should be a "serious club"? Until we get more than a few people > making productive posts and serious contributions, why go to all the > other stuff. You don't build a building when there is no foundation > there to build it on. And you don't leave the foundation you have when > there isn't any need. > >> So long as we are moving the database from yahoo to another service, >> or an internally managed list, there is no legality issue involved. As >> long as our new list serves essentially the same purpose as the one we >> would be moving from, it's often the simplest and most "legally >> conscious" way to do it. Companies do it all the time when they >> upgrade their systems, or add a new server. It's a simple database >> migration. > > Incorrect. It would be establishing a new "organization" as it would no > longer be under Yahoo's jurisdiction. It's very dubious as to whether > or not we "own" the email addresses, and there is no permission given to > gather those addresses for another site, even if it's run by the same > people. At least that's how I understand it. > > Bill, you're the law expert here, can you weigh in? > > And it still doesn't address, again, the numerous people who don't get > their messages via email and instead use the sight directly. > > In any case, it's also essentially ignoring my other comments, > criticisms, and concerns, and unless and until those are addressed, it's > probably not a good idea to move forward. > > keep on ridin' > George > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 19:41:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87715 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 02:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 02:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.174) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 02:41:27 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so381205wfc.12 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.239.13 with SMTP id m13mr1089208wfh.218.1224211287067; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810161941y21ae79c6g407a26154b6daeec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:41:27 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F7F889.20207@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0810161510l73e46e6bo9e884069afe2e53d@mail.gmail.com> <48F7F889.20207@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=calkezePizBLwDMf8lrPTiBkKe3HVQ_3rgl-U99y_GiWuA8foA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Again, never said we should be a "serious club" - just that we should probably be a group of members from 2008-2009 rather than back in the day. I realize that most of us are still around here, but some of us aren't content with just leaving the site the way it is. Regardless of our "club status" - our page is still a representation of us as a group. Josh From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 05:46:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67586 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 12:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 12:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 12:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kqoie-0004te-CC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: <48F88907.8060608@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:45:59 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76e1ec0a0810161510l73e46e6bo9e884069afe2e53d@mail.gmail.com> <48F7F889.20207@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0810161939w4e3e7ecene698a5119d239eae@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810161939w4e3e7ecene698a5119d239eae@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92382a1b59f968eedb4c1c568d003cb454350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5R2vo3JtWvgDbMpNgijIAJeC8CUnWqtUqbXBV4DnZPiWfQk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > There's no ignoring anything here, George. Things are being addressed > one at a time. Again, it's obvious that you're happy with whatever is > there, but I offered a part of my latest venture, free of charge and > it's clear that it's not happening. Sorry if I sounded touchy or irritable on the other posts. It'd been a long day of work at the food and wine festival. Sorry but it's not always fun to work with a bunch of drunks. ;) > > In no way do I mean any offense to Jay here, but our Geocities site is > stuck in the 90's, and you wonder why we don't get new members in > droves. (our site is literally stuck in the 90's/early 2000's, some of > those profiles are 8-9 years old). I agree, which is why I'd love to get the old site replaced with a new version. Jay hasn't updated any of the old site- it's actually pretty much exactly as it was when it was left alone several years ago. That's another reason I'd really like a new updated version somewhere else. But I don't want to delete the old clunker junk thing until we have something new to replace it. It sounds like you and Jay maybe the ones to do that but we have to get you two together (along with anyone else who wants to help), get it rebuilt, and put it on a new host (which I've had several offers of space) > I already said that I tested the email and it's not that great, and as > far as moving it from yahoo to a new source, all we would be doing is > changing hosts, and again keeping the list for the same purposes. I do > this stuff (server/hosting upgrades/switches) for a living. It's cool > though, because I agree that yahoo is the best choice for email list - > it's virtually maintenance free. You can see why I like it. There's other things that it does on the backside as a list owner that you can't see that I also really like, and I'd be afraid I'd lose a lot of that. Again, sorry if I sounded rude on the other comments in that regard. > > Maybe I, and others, are outgrowing the "old-school" technology of the > late 90's, but unfortunately, it's people like us that are using these > sites these days. That's the dilemna, but there just really isn't anything to replace it with that's going to improve it. So lets enchance what he have a bit, add a few other features we'd like as extras on a separate site, and have some fun with it. anyone else have ideas on what they'd like on an "extras" site besides profiles and archived trip reports? keep on ridin' George (who is about to leave to get his Starliner credits! Yay!) From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Oct 17 07:08:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28135 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 14:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 14:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 14:08:32 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c8so37763ana.17 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.171.16 with SMTP id t16mr5254147ane.95.1224252511999; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:08:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30810170708j2f4c3eeetb2d8d8027e6b178c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:08:31 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810161939w4e3e7ecene698a5119d239eae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0810161510l73e46e6bo9e884069afe2e53d@mail.gmail.com> <48F7F889.20207@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0810161939w4e3e7ecene698a5119d239eae@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=R1CjTp_jmDdLOvqRE0nM43F8i1LP2WQdtxaR8VsLmEFLlBmD X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Josh W wrote: > I don't want to be the next coasterbuzz or themeparkreview, but it's > always nice to come to the 21st century. Having an old-school > Geocities site - That's like wearing a purple nylon MAGNUM XL200 hat > to Coastermania 2007 . :-D (wait, I hope that guy doesn't post here) > It may feel old school, but it does fill a niche. RRC fills an old school niche too and I've seen similar discussions over there every so often. Everyone else is on forum-based systems. So the thing that makes this group feel outdated is the same thing that makes it unique. The on-the-side website needs a makeover. But it needs a reason to exist first. The email delivery fills a niche, slapping a bunch of stuff up on a website for the sake of having a website doesn't. If we just want something that's a static "face to the world" thing, then that's quick and simple. If you want something dynamic, current, interactive... then we need a reason for it to be that way and a way for that to compliment and not detract from the core structure for the group. From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Oct 17 11:01:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1103 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 18:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:01:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48F7F68D.8070104@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=O2yicc2ns276mOd6eBFtgwxpxS-7O0TzlDyLecoBVKI X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > There are only a very few things that we'd like to put on a=20 website,=20 > that we actually had on a site at one point, and they're things=20 that we=20 > can't do on Yahoo. Personal profiles of the main posters, along=20 with=20 > favorite coasters, parks, and other info was one things. A=20 searchable=20 > list of Trip Reports so those getting ready to visit a park could=20 read=20 > up on what was there, or those wanting to know about a park could=20 see=20 > what others had said. We also had other photos and files on the=20 site at=20 > the time, though Yahoo has now massively increased the space they=20 give=20 > us. Essentially all it was for was to put a few additions that we=20 > wanted, and give us a web presence outside of the Yahoo list. It=20 was=20 > just to give a little extra to the group to make it feel more=20 personal. Being a little confused about what you are after these features in=20 the Yahoo! group or something outside the Yahoo group, I will bravely=20 offer these points and hope they are helpful. For trip reports there is a (crude) Database feature. This=20 could be used to post Trip Reports, that would then be sortable and=20 searchable. For profiles: All of you have a Yahoo profile that you=20 can access and setup to identify who you are. If you wanted a=20 more "bio" like profile inside the group (so that non-group members=20 can't see it) either the Database or the "Files" feature could be=20 used to house those. Using MS Word to gen up a document (so you=20 could add a pic if you wanted) and saving it as a web page (html) the=20 file could then live in the Files section of the site. I don't know=20 if the favorite lists would be on the profiles or seperat, I am sure=20 it is a workable thing on the group page.=20=20 The other groups I am a member of have lots of this kind of=20 stuff, but not exatly what you are talking about. It would take=20 time, and it would look like a Yahoo! Group page which is not the=20 prettiest thing in the world. It could be done.=20 I can't believe people still get this stuff over e-mail, if I did=20 that for the dozen or so groups I am a member of I my e-mail client=20 would melt. The next thing you guys are going to tell me is that you=20 are using Eudorra, SO 20th Century! ;-) Ride till you drop! From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Oct 17 12:02:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67698 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 19:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 19:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 19:02:07 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so804008wfc.11 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:02:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.162.9 with SMTP id k9mr1575671wfe.211.1224270127254; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:02:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810171202j4771f64ejab24530e0a3e5b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:02:07 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F7F68D.8070104@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=aZZmfRyQWbLHj5FHFkosI03haNGze0WQf_3TihcH7aAvLR_W3A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Hey now! I worked for a company back in 2002-2005 that insisted on using Eudora. Even bought spam filters for it and everything. I'm willing to bet they still use it to this day. :) On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: >> There are only a very few things that we'd like to put on a > website, >> that we actually had on a site at one point, and they're things > that we >> can't do on Yahoo. Personal profiles of the main posters, along > with >> favorite coasters, parks, and other info was one things. A > searchable >> list of Trip Reports so those getting ready to visit a park could > read >> up on what was there, or those wanting to know about a park could > see >> what others had said. We also had other photos and files on the > site at >> the time, though Yahoo has now massively increased the space they > give >> us. Essentially all it was for was to put a few additions that we >> wanted, and give us a web presence outside of the Yahoo list. It > was >> just to give a little extra to the group to make it feel more > personal. > > Being a little confused about what you are after these features in > the Yahoo! group or something outside the Yahoo group, I will bravely > offer these points and hope they are helpful. > > For trip reports there is a (crude) Database feature. This > could be used to post Trip Reports, that would then be sortable and > searchable. For profiles: All of you have a Yahoo profile that you > can access and setup to identify who you are. If you wanted a > more "bio" like profile inside the group (so that non-group members > can't see it) either the Database or the "Files" feature could be > used to house those. Using MS Word to gen up a document (so you > could add a pic if you wanted) and saving it as a web page (html) the > file could then live in the Files section of the site. I don't know > if the favorite lists would be on the profiles or seperat, I am sure > it is a workable thing on the group page. > The other groups I am a member of have lots of this kind of > stuff, but not exatly what you are talking about. It would take > time, and it would look like a Yahoo! Group page which is not the > prettiest thing in the world. It could be done. > I can't believe people still get this stuff over e-mail, if I did > that for the dozen or so groups I am a member of I my e-mail client > would melt. The next thing you guys are going to tell me is that you > are using Eudorra, SO 20th Century! ;-) > > Ride till you drop! > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Oct 17 12:19:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19775 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2008 19:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2008 19:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.249) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2008 19:19:03 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so694068rvf.24 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:19:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.208.17 with SMTP id f17mr2748562rvg.218.1224271142829; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:19:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:19:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48F7F4FF.8090503@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48F66CD8.2010009@earthlink.net> <48F743C7.4060700@earthlink.net> <48F7F4FF.8090503@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: OT:Myspace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=lDCsWpF1kemIkWY-Vc_TL-nUW-ciyx1P-gBSiHtZb6z6G5XzQcZ9YgA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> Okay, but if we're going to do a re-work/build a new website and >> possibly move out of Yahoo completely, perhaps we should do that >> before promoting the group to a bunch of new readers? Just a >> thought... > Guess you missed my other posts that, in short, said we're not moving > out of Yahoo. I didn't miss anything, George. Read what I said again. I still believe that if we were going to do some grand makeover on a new site to compliment the current list, that we should wait to start promoting the group until after that is finished. Obviously that's too late now (and it really isn't a big deal...and I thank Lance for doing it). I didn't mean to step on your toes, if that's what you thought was going on. I know you can be a bit grumpy, though, so I'll let it slide. ;-) There's so much discussion going on here regarding the website that it's impossible for me to reply to everything line by line. My thoughts are as follows: -The passwords to the Geocities site have not changed. Anyone who knows them should still be able to access it. -The original site is still intact, but I believe Jay did re-do the front page. It's a clever idea and functions nicely, but I do think it looks outdated. If we were going to keep a website, something more streamlined would be nicer, IMO. -Regardless of anything else that happens, the original site needs to go. Josh's right that it's an embarassment to have 6+ year old profiles up online. Everything else is also either outdated or, quite frankly, looks like crap. Personally, I don't think there's any need for a new site to compliment the group. Nobody has used it in years, so it doesn't really see to be serving any purpose. It's a lot of work that I don't think anybody is really willing to do. And let's be honest, the discussion around here has dropped off significantly over five or so years ago. I'm not saying the list is dead or that it no longer serves any purpose, but that we're kind of past the prime here, and trying to redo a new site seems more than a little unnecessary. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 17:35:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4513 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2008 00:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2008 00:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 00:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kqzmx-0003lK-KM for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:35:27 -0400 Message-ID: <48F92F3E.6080000@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:35:10 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a9256d2a4cc2ac5b259d354c0c2c0abbdf5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: TR: Cypress Gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=CZo4iYcjEfexp-kLPE_K3yjGHo2Mq6lUvls9OpyxHM1gOEk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Who: Me, my wife Margaret, and my 2 kids Amber and Joseph Weather: Gorgeous! Mid 80's, breezy, and not humid Crowds: moderate to light, but the busiest we've seen CG So my wife's school gives all teachers a day off, and it happens to be the same day that CG is having a special $10 admission to the park to the first 10k visitors. So, not having been there in about 2 years, we were more than ready to hit the road and visit again! I'll try to give some overall comments, and close up with my thoughts on Skyliner, which was what I was most looking forward to. As you might be aware, the ownership of the park changed hands a few months back, and there were some definite differences from the last time we were there. There were more of the animal enclosures cleaned up- all looked like they were in use this time, and looked nice. They had also added an animal encounter stage and show, and opened up a reptile house. That area of the park looked very nice. It was contrasted in some ways by the opening "village" area of the park. The store that has the model train sets has been redone- the front is now a display of old radios (which is neat) but no longer a gift shop. And the trains themselves have now had a wall built over and closing them off to the public. According to one worker they just didn't have enough employees to keep vandalism from happening, so they decided it was easier to close it off, but maybe they'll open it up again later. This was in addition to several of the other stores also being closed up and empty- the leather store, the doll store, and at least a couple of the others as well. The butterfly building also had pretty much no butterflies flying around in it. It almost gave a sad feeling to that area of the park- especially since it's so near the front. The flying island also was closed, but I don't know if that was just a one day thing or what was happening there. However, the gardens were stunningly beautiful, and I could see that they continued to do more work on them. They also had the water park opened, which was the first time we had been able to visit it. It was small (2 slide complexes, a water playground, a wave pool, and a lazy river), but was very nice. It was great being able to dip my legs in the pool after mosquitoes attacked them in the gardens. Overall, compared to our last visit, there were several improvements, and a few places in the park where it looked like they were in transition. Hopefully that's as much because it's not high-season as much as anything. We did do several rides, including our rounds on Triple Hurricane, which still brings me to giggling fits of joy. It's a simple ride, but it's so much simple fun that you just can't help but enjoy it. We also took rides on the train, spinning coaster, spinning water raft ride, power surge, disk-O, ferris wheel, and some others. The highlight though was our first rides on Starliner. We started the day there, and then ended it there as well. We managed to get in 3 rides, including the back row, 1.2, and 1.3. There is only one train, three cars long with each car having 3 rows. They have one of the original cars from when it ran at Miracle Strip sitting near the entrance with a sign giving the ride's history, which I thought was a nice touch. They've also put electronic brake and dispatch systems on it instead of the old manual systems that were on it in it's original location. The ride looked very nice and fit in very well. So what did I think? I really liked it. It had a couple of very good spots of air on the trip out- spots that were near ejector air in the Schmeck seat (1.3). There were a couple of spots were you could feel the train ride way up on it's upstops, only to slam back down again (a bit on the hard side for my wife and daughter). There was some air on the return run, but not quite as much. Outside of the Dania Beach Hurricane, this is the most airtime available in Florida. I really enjoyed it, but it does have a couple spots where it's not quite as smooth as it could be. I thought they were minor, but my wife and daughter (who are a bit sensitive to bumps on coasters) thought it was a little much. Florida comparison-wise, it was nowhere near Gwazi's roughness though. If I had to score it, I'd probably give it somewhere around an 8 out of 10, which is pretty good. Wow, I think that's about as short a TR as I've done! Feel free to shoot more questions at me though if you want to know more. keep on ridin' George From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 18:50:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74660 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2008 01:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2008 01:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 01:50:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28810 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2008 01:50:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8LUQAY4VM1knpsmjx9sb5mt4MpZslt3i4e2kIjsJemNe6O1MB09253iqldds_axc.clomXeuwuqKEpXpk0WZIQcAOL1mfYfxR6UvOKDzqsK1LWFcU8Hnobk6IhMvd3vCXjjyDkA8Y9fWdLGacGmS5GYM8M0- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:50:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1224266677.5828.77401.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <839511.27785.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=r0Af_YNPKmMaDRtGNl0BwkVM_pYi_5IexeFW81q4_DG2K2RZETS2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > In no way do I mean any offense to Jay here, but our Geocities site is stuck in the 90's, and you wonder why we don't get new members in droves. (our site is literally stuck in the 90's/early 2000's, some of those profiles are 8-9 years old). < Remember that I never got very far revamping the site because I assumed there was no interest. I asked for updates and info from people and received, I think, one response. So faced with that, I could have taken all the old info down (leaving next to nothing on the site). But I chose to leave it there just so there'd be *something.* There are lots of trip reports that could be complied. That would take work, going back through the archives. But I think it would be worth it. I tried to come up with a unique index page, something that was engaging but not stereotypical of coaster sites. I like the silly little control panel interface, but I'm not sure how others feel about it. Give me some feedback and I can improve what's there. But when I think no one's interested, there's no incentive to continue. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Oct 17 19:15:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89910 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2008 02:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2008 02:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 02:14:59 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so897439wfg.7 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.31.4 with SMTP id i4mr1748010wfj.87.1224296098593; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:14:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810171914s65186b54i6dc0e53ac5c3fbf2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:14:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <839511.27785.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1224266677.5828.77401.m45@yahoogroups.com> <839511.27785.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=zQCo90OgU6bbqKVdv48rA3ju3q-s90nyON8FlnPrptSLdZNbxA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Yeah, that's what Nate and I ran into in the past. It seems everyone's game for a new website, until you start asking for help, then the discussion dies. Josh On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> In no way do I mean any offense to Jay here, but our Geocities site is >> stuck in the 90's, and you wonder why we don't get new members in droves. >> (our site is literally stuck in the 90's/early 2000's, some of those >> profiles are 8-9 years old). < > > Remember that I never got very far revamping the site because I assumed > there was no interest. I asked for updates and info from people and > received, I think, one response. So faced with that, I could have taken all > the old info down (leaving next to nothing on the site). But I chose to > leave it there just so there'd be *something.* > > There are lots of trip reports that could be complied. That would take work, > going back through the archives. But I think it would be worth it. > > I tried to come up with a unique index page, something that was engaging but > not stereotypical of coaster sites. I like the silly little control panel > interface, but I'm not sure how others feel about it. Give me some feedback > and I can improve what's there. But when I think no one's interested, > there's no incentive to continue. > > Jay > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Oct 17 19:35:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58809 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2008 02:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2008 02:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 02:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2008 02:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2008 02:35:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:35:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810171914s65186b54i6dc0e53ac5c3fbf2@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=tLkUH5TqsRsPaXfL-g61e_foVCJCVp2CwuWlkm5Ddgc X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Just one thing. Is there a link to this website anywhere on the yahoo groups page? Found o= ne link didn't go=20 anywhere. If you want folk to think this is more then a message list then it might he= lp if there is a link. Just a thought. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 19:40:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92920 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2008 02:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2008 02:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 02:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kr1k1-00078n-2m for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: <48F94C90.7030402@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:40:16 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92c043fb6753e91cccc3d82de35fb7457c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=88E0x4BARmtZtamhnIG91OMCexWBEsaLLvGd6H8p0xbiQrs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Osborn wrote: > > > Just one thing. > > Is there a link to this website anywhere on the yahoo groups page? Found > one link didn't go > anywhere. > > If you want folk to think this is more then a message list then it might > help if there is a link. > To be honest, I removed the link quite a while back because of how dated the site is. It's out there, and it can be found with a little work, but I didn't want to repost it until we've got something updated to put up and show. :) Maybe with the front page getting updated, do we have someone willing to put out, collect, and update profiles? That might be a way to start it moving again and getting people involved. Then work at it and update as we go? Would love to hear from more than the 4-5 of us talking now. :) keep on ridin George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 22:53:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38784 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2008 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2008 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2008 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2008 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2008 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2008 05:53:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:53:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48F94C90.7030402@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.141.87 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=5x-joktYJ-sKiXTODGOnw5lBT0e3j4ZlpD0webjyTU6N38Wx_g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 After Nov 2, I'm game for just about anything. I don't know anything=20 about programming though, so I don't know how I could help. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Jon Osborn wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > Just one thing. > >=20 > > Is there a link to this website anywhere on the yahoo groups=20 page? Found=20 > > one link didn't go > > anywhere. > >=20 > > If you want folk to think this is more then a message list then=20 it might=20 > > help if there is a link. > >=20 >=20 > To be honest, I removed the link quite a while back because of how=20 dated=20 > the site is. It's out there, and it can be found with a little=20 work,=20 > but I didn't want to repost it until we've got something updated to=20 put=20 > up and show. :) >=20 > Maybe with the front page getting updated, do we have someone=20 willing to=20 > put out, collect, and update profiles? That might be a way to=20 start it=20 > moving again and getting people involved. Then work at it and=20 update as=20 > we go? >=20 > Would love to hear from more than the 4-5 of us talking now. :) >=20 > keep on ridin > George > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 16:27:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7786 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2008 23:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2008 23:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 23:26:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16160 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2008 23:26:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gZRcU4sVM1lhHbDU7eGFIPs8Iw5TEPQ4B5ADkwgUf3Lr.X7ctsJHuNLaIIvnmxi1Ng-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:26:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:26:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1224347837.3586.91308.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <63245.15468.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=k-Ol25ClVc-Gr9-zFrfhGImYFzqGacafrAGldhQDdo7g1Uj09feP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > After Nov 2, I'm game for just about anything. I don't know anything about programming though, so I don't know how I could help. < You don't need to know anything about programming, Chris. If you'd be willing to compile the information and save it as plain text, I can format them for the Web. In other words, gather all the updated profile information and then e-mail it to me as a text file. You could also begin compiling the hundreds of trip reports, just by copy-and-pasting from the archives and making sure there's a date on each one. Then e-mail me the text. Simple things like that would help a lot. I just don't have the time right now to gather all the data. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 20:14:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57574 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 03:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 03:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 03:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 03:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 03:14:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:14:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <63245.15468.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.189.74 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=dUP9TnSm_4ZgIyagsMnuylUzYEC3PWa2VZyRvPpQ7KbCqoe_AQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Copy, paste and save in a new format? Sounds like my current day job.=20 Perhaps we should take this to e-mail? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > After Nov 2, I'm game for just about anything. I don't know=20 anything about programming though, so I don't know how I could help.=20 < >=20 > You don't need to know anything about programming, Chris. If you'd=20 be willing to compile the information and save it as plain text, I=20 can format them for the Web. In other words, gather all the updated=20 profile information and then e-mail it to me as a text file. You=20 could also begin compiling the hundreds of trip reports, just by copy- and-pasting from the archives and making sure there's a date on each=20 one. Then e-mail me the text. >=20 > Simple things like that would help a lot. I just don't have the=20 time right now to gather all the data. >=20 > Jay >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Oct 20 06:51:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84007 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 13:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 13:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f21.google.com) (209.85.217.21) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 13:51:25 -0000 X-Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so3436989gxk.21 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:51:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.108.20 with SMTP id g20mr8385086anc.14.1224510684908; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:51:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30810200651y75bead67i57465ef36840b374@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:51:24 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <63245.15468.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=fwOd8wNmm25l9r0ZOj0QopZkCQsu9cFhNFh_RtkM1LaeT7_2 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons It looks like email to me :P On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Chris wrote: > Copy, paste and save in a new format? Sounds like my current day job. > > Perhaps we should take this to e-mail? > > Chris > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Oct 20 07:03:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19415 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 14:03:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 14:03:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.173) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 14:03:54 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2044552wfc.11 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:03:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.166.16 with SMTP id o16mr2954296rve.3.1224511433984; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:03:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:03:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <839511.27785.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1224266677.5828.77401.m45@yahoogroups.com> <839511.27785.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=aTC7LvrhSlie9DrVQDFzWDXzwv0HClx8BqEahvl6foObJVtO1g7xLhg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Remember that I never got very far revamping the site because I assumed > there was no interest... > There are lots of trip reports that could be complied. That would take work, > going back through the archives. But I think it would be worth it. Well, I guess maybe as a group we need to decide two things: 1 - is it even worth it at this point to have a website, or do we use the Yahoo Groups page only, and 2 - what kinds of things would we want on a website? The archived trip reports are nice, but speaking as the person who put them together originally, it's a lot of work to sort through all the archives, compile the trip reports, and then format them for a website. That said, does anyone even read trip reports that are more than a year old? It might be nice to archive some of the lesser-visited parks, but if I want to read a report from Busch Gardens or Cedar Point, I'm not going to look for anything more than a year old. Anyone else? -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 16:10:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25694 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 23:10:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 23:10:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 23:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 23:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 23:10:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:10:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30810200651y75bead67i57465ef36840b374@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.189.74 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=S37PNNDHg8DlNlBXaVgxkP8djRdsFIbKsukx8G55yuqUV_JPkw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Inset Homer Simpson reference here: D'oh! I've recieved all of two e-mails from this group in 8+=20 years: "Welcome to", and "Your Membership has been activated".=20 OK, I'll rephrase: Jay, perhaps we should take this to [i]private[/i]=20 e-mails while I get trained up in what you need from me.=20 ;) Chris PS: BBcode used in jest, I know it won't actually work. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson"=20 wrote: > > It looks like email to me :P >=20 > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Chris wrote: > > Copy, paste and save in a new format? Sounds like my current day=20 job. > > > > Perhaps we should take this to e-mail? > > > > Chris > > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Oct 20 17:28:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54730 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 00:28:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2008 00:28:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.174) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 00:28:01 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so2846237wfc.18 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.70.11 with SMTP id s11mr3385596wfa.293.1224548881264; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810201728i36aff948od6588a324e3d33e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:28:01 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30810200651y75bead67i57465ef36840b374@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=pELZHb3wxm-6oNQmgqXfGuscHsrYrswBmaBV7Na-FqwlLSH78w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny So, Jay is going to continue working on the website, then? Originally, I thought I was going to come up with something, which I already have, and have shown to Nate and one other person already, that better represents us on a visual level. With the response on here (either none, or negative), I'm cool with completely ditching the project and focusing my efforts elsewhere, makes no difference to me. Josh On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Chris wrote: > Inset Homer Simpson reference here: > > D'oh! > > I've recieved all of two e-mails from this group in 8+ > years: "Welcome to", and "Your Membership has been activated". > > OK, I'll rephrase: Jay, perhaps we should take this to [i]private[/i] > e-mails while I get trained up in what you need from me. > > ;) > > Chris > > PS: BBcode used in jest, I know it won't actually work. > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson" > > wrote: >> >> It looks like email to me :P >> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Chris wrote: >> > Copy, paste and save in a new format? Sounds like my current day > job. >> > >> > Perhaps we should take this to e-mail? >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > > From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Oct 20 20:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53545 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 03:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2008 03:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 03:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2008 03:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2008 03:53:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:53:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Some Cedar Point Data Added X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=ORqfl_xgr605ZNCH3yyWfxuK4p4mxc0gzg_wdLdWwew X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Compare1.htm I only have about 1/3 of my data loaded from the weekend. I will need to really change the format of this before I go any farther. If you would like to discuss please join: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coasternauts/?yguid=3D89848646 so as not to bother those here. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 21:21:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22091 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 04:21:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 04:21:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 04:21:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 04:21:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 04:21:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:21:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810201728i36aff948od6588a324e3d33e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.142.131 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=hfiNcei01xOJBXMdfvDjJXGxNc-qTHCccz38-zFRQVyFFWEYyg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'd have been interested in seeing what you've done...=20 Perhaps you and Jay should discuss joining your efforts? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > So, Jay is going to continue working on the website, then? >=20 > Originally, I thought I was going to come up with something, which I > already have, and have shown to Nate and one other person already, > that better represents us on a visual level. With the response on=20 here > (either none, or negative), I'm cool with completely ditching the > project and focusing my efforts elsewhere, makes no difference to=20 me. >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Chris wrote: > > Inset Homer Simpson reference here: > > > > D'oh! > > > > I've recieved all of two e-mails from this group in 8+ > > years: "Welcome to", and "Your Membership has been activated". > > > > OK, I'll rephrase: Jay, perhaps we should take this to [i]private [/i] > > e-mails while I get trained up in what you need from me. > > > > ;) > > > > Chris > > > > PS: BBcode used in jest, I know it won't actually work. > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson" > > > > wrote: > >> > >> It looks like email to me :P > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Chris wrote: > >> > Copy, paste and save in a new format? Sounds like my current=20 day > > job. > >> > > >> > Perhaps we should take this to e-mail? > >> > > >> > Chris > >> > > >> > > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 08:00:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82562 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 15:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 15:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 15:00:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63473 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 15:00:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1jCoLVQVM1mTNkCbEdLxtN93CZqKBKJzCFGOLWZahfue2UlwnL9N8Tz1UW2rxFv__CBJwFnmdXhvepLFy72HZZiAs_0.QjVxorv9VodrgAdXEj7asO.bF5nEKu8x5nWCGjfATg-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:00:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:00:43 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1224531257.12142.84026.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <993870.62084.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=U-_hQRtj8DKuVm7X5JjOBmaGquDFkssj6LGBin_rj4WowVziwzhD X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > That said, does anyone even read trip reports that are more than a year old? < On my own website, the pages that are most consistently hit from month to month are my trip reports from three and four years ago. I think there are people out there who like to find out about a park before going to it, and the freely-available trip reports are beneficial to them. Also, I think there's a lot of historical value in the archived reports. It's interesting to go back and read how parks were different several years ago. But that's just me. :-) Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 08:10:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96117 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 15:10:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 15:10:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 15:10:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21137 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 15:10:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4ldu.8MVM1nI_hT_oRFRkqCxJmGpqiixGmdMF2KWU5cIpDyKSsia9XaJMCi.STs_TTwknRPp0i37aa293gNU2rMqBQ9NAW.u3TDEZ5BVpnrUZJxx14c.Jv_FWmceU1TH3u5V_g-- X-Received: from [72.79.192.232] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:10:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:10:04 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1224612983.3510.92249.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <8436.19080.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=L-QGx9Fwps0DhRi-4NtpBdJWUsoRvcKS65oR3em6ydpbuDngZlN1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I thought I was going to come up with something, which I already have, and have shown to Nate and one other person already, that better represents us on a visual level. < I have no problem with that, Josh. As I've said (ad nauseam) I started tinkering with the site because it appeared that no one else was bothering with it, and George's pleas for help appeared to be unanswered. I'd love to see whatever you've come up with! Jay From paul.beesley@mac.com Wed Oct 22 08:12:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: paul.beesley@mac.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59449 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 15:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 15:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutw.mac.com) (17.250.248.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 15:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from webmail036 (webmail036-s [10.13.128.36]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m9MFCfnB002721 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:12:41 +0100 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <54583828359479162604690280699211419840-Webmail2@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received: from [unknown] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:12:41 +0100 X-Received: from [ 194.60.106.5] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:12:41 +0100 X-Originating-IP: 17.250.248.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Paul Beesley Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=329007503; y=CDVQfs-5moq_v5YJc-QNaEO0zevA3zd5cbn-XhfR1fbiyEn8Pw X-Yahoo-Profile: ridemadcom Id agree with you Jay, I have about 30 trip reports on my site and i quite often find some of the old ones attracting allot of traffic. Cheers Paul On Wednesday, October 22, 2008, at 04:00PM, "Jay Ducharme" wrote: >> That said, does anyone even read trip reports that are more than a year old? < > >On my own website, the pages that are most consistently hit from month to month are my trip reports from three and four years ago. I think there are people out there who like to find out about a park before going to it, and the freely-available trip reports are beneficial to them. Also, I think there's a lot of historical value in the archived reports. It's interesting to go back and read how parks were different several years ago. > >But that's just me. :-) > >Jay > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 08:43:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41533 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 15:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 15:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.234) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 15:43:52 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2989098rvb.17 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.49.6 with SMTP id b6mr6553743rvk.223.1224690232085; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:43:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <54583828359479162604690280699211419840-Webmail2@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <54583828359479162604690280699211419840-Webmail2@me.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=PmXL5Dz1gvkXP_8Bqf7fraCELFyGmil-bqxGZOTkuzzugyMtWNxg-ys X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Id agree with you Jay, I have about 30 trip reports on my site and i quite > often find some of the old ones attracting allot of traffic. But is that because people like to read older reports, or because there aren't more recent reports available for that park? You (and Jay) will have to answer that, because I don't have your stats. I agree that trip reports are useful, and that people tend to use them in planning to visit a new park. However, I don't think there's much use in a 3-5 year old trip report in terms of using information to plan a visit. There's probably entertainment/nostalgic value in it, but I doubt it does much good in planning a visit. So again, are people viewing your older reports more often than newer reports for the same park, or are the older reports just the only ones available for those parks? -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 09:28:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85295 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 16:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 16:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f10.google.com) (209.85.217.10) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 16:28:44 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f10.google.com with SMTP id 3so8230995gxk.18 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.2.19 with SMTP id e19mr4451510wfi.90.1224692923636; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810220928r328b435dt7fc7cea1f473095b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:28:43 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8436.19080.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1224612983.3510.92249.m45@yahoogroups.com> <8436.19080.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=c3fyF6xbn2SjXUK37JyeByqPZesR3yYbT4nXREvJ2f1g91oHaA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Sure thing, it's still up on my host - like I said though I have absolutely 0 problem if you want to do the whole thing. :) I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, I'm more saying that it's a pain in the butt to do on your own. There's a basic structure for a site (not complete by any stretch) that I put together the groundwork for in under 2 hours at my own personal business domain at the moment (don't worry it's not live yet so no one's going there to look for me) :) http://www.ghostlabsphotography.com Josh On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> I thought I was going to come up with something, which I already have, and >> have shown to Nate and one other person already, that better represents us >> on a visual level. < > > I have no problem with that, Josh. As I've said (ad nauseam) I started > tinkering with the site because it appeared that no one else was bothering > with it, and George's pleas for help appeared to be unanswered. I'd love to > see whatever you've come up with! > > Jay > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 10:38:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52700 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 17:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 17:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 17:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 17:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 17:37:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:37:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.192.232 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=t5UYie-3WM9Jd8Fk5dlxclOIKE3AXSYRaDTc-dO0E78M4VuMjXEK X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > So again, are people viewing your older reports more often than newer re= ports for the=20 same park, or are the older reports just the only ones available for those = parks? < For example, I go to Canobie Lake nearly every year. There are four separa= te trip reports=20 from the park dating back to 2004. But the one that gets hit constantly (i= t's always in the top=20 30 pages from month to month) is the report from 2005. AFAIK, no one (exce= pt people on=20 this list) has read my Canobie TR from this year, even though it's up on th= e site and is the=20 most recent report. Regardless of their age, I think most of the trip reports are interesting t= o read. I especially=20 appreciate the reports from Europe and Asia, since I might never get there.= It would be nice=20 to have an easier way to re-read the reports without having to dig through = the archives.=20=20 Perhaps if they were listed first by location and then by year.... Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 10:42:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36770 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 17:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 17:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 17:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KshiX-000693-Ms for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:41:57 -0400 Message-ID: <48FF65D2.8080907@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:41:38 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92c432819980068ffb4d1a442d13bb70ea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=VIIdZn4_ancKl5R-mFE5-1o4CvrLFW5ZhcNqik-8q-VRWaM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash jay_ducharme wrote: > Regardless of their age, I think most of the trip reports are > interesting to read. I especially > appreciate the reports from Europe and Asia, since I might never get > there. It would be nice > to have an easier way to re-read the reports without having to dig > through the archives. > Perhaps if they were listed first by location and then by year.... > Originally, if I recall, we had them listed both ways- one was an index by year, then by park location. The other was by park, then by year. Yes, two listings, but it provided a couple of different ways to look them up. Personally I'm not surprised that older TR's still get a lot of reads. I love reading things from several years ago- especially for parks that I may not get to, or for ones that I've recently been to so I can get a feel for the changes. keep on ridin' George From paul.beesley@mac.com Wed Oct 22 10:44:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: paul.beesley@mac.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70645 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 17:44:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 17:44:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO asmtpout016.mac.com) (17.148.16.91) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 17:44:28 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([86.4.90.210]) by asmtp016.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K95002KKILZQNA0@asmtp016.mac.com> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:47:22 +0100 References: <54583828359479162604690280699211419840-Webmail2@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 17.148.16.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Paul Beesley Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=329007503; y=M4bsBKxWjOI1HikKyPY1sIa9QZwvEdHMYV8_h7hdzf0GK2hPLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ridemadcom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hard to say really Nate. I dont want to duplicate what Jay has already said, but good key word placement and google ranking does go along way. Allot also depends on the vistor, are they enthusiasts or just members of the public looking for Kennywood information. Without speaking to the visitor, i guess we will never have an answer ;-) Personally a 3-5 yr old trip report would be useless to me as an ethusiast, but im curios and would probably look at it anyway, as im sure most of us on this list would probably do as enthusiasts ;-) Cheers Paul On 22 Oct 2008, at 16:43, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Id agree with you Jay, I have about 30 trip reports on my site and > i quite > > often find some of the old ones attracting allot of traffic. > > But is that because people like to read older reports, or because > there aren't more recent reports available for that park? You (and > Jay) will have to answer that, because I don't have your stats. > > I agree that trip reports are useful, and that people tend to use them > in planning to visit a new park. However, I don't think there's much > use in a 3-5 year old trip report in terms of using information to > plan a visit. There's probably entertainment/nostalgic value in it, > but I doubt it does much good in planning a visit. So again, are > people viewing your older reports more often than newer reports for > the same park, or are the older reports just the only ones available > for those parks? > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 11:12:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28749 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 18:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 18:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 18:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 18:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 18:12:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:11:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810220928r328b435dt7fc7cea1f473095b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.192.232 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ln2rlWSB2NMf5oJMNcpmLOYJVPcz9l_hy6PZsXpTjNHlX9qyshE_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, I'm more saying that it's a pain = in the butt to do on=20 your own. < Well, I teach multimedia design. So I just use the experience to expand wh= at I know. I used=20 that silly control panel on the current site to get me playing around with = Flash. I like your design; it's very clean and professional. It'd be fun to spruc= e up the intro screen=20 more. I love that shot of Kennywood on the home screen! I'd be in favor o= f using that=20 interface. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 12:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35204 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 19:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 19:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 19:18:38 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so593903ywb.53 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.170.16 with SMTP id s16mr4530938wfe.215.1224703117623; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810221218w5932d2aag966d4a4d47b10aed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:18:37 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0810220928r328b435dt7fc7cea1f473095b@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=3RdiDXVXzojjhb_OYlVE6zbT1uqjXahNomyDL6BLUV_e0Lv45w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Thanks :) All of the photos are my own. I took that one with a 5-second shutter on a gorilla pod. I'm all for sprucing up the intro or making a complete new one - I don't think it looks too bad for only spending a couple of hours on it at all. I have so much bandwidth on my hosting it's unbelievable, I even have an e-store I could set up for purchases, should someone decide they want to do buttons or something similar again, we could use that storefront to make things easy. The possibilities are pretty much endless. Josh On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, jay_ducharme wrote: >> I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, I'm more saying that it's a pain >> in the butt to do on > your own. < > > Well, I teach multimedia design. So I just use the experience to expand what > I know. I used > that silly control panel on the current site to get me playing around with > Flash. > > I like your design; it's very clean and professional. It'd be fun to spruce > up the intro screen > more. I love that shot of Kennywood on the home screen! I'd be in favor of > using that > interface. > > Jay > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 12:49:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56197 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 19:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 19:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 19:49:10 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2813508rvf.38 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.210.13 with SMTP id m13mr6755476rvq.25.1224704950214; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:49:10 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=5BOzXPUo0u_FLSQgAyWcVEcOT040fKB5DmIDGKaOidfiOERTAdyz-xw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > For example, I go to Canobie Lake nearly every year. There are four separate > trip reports > from the park dating back to 2004. But the one that gets hit constantly > (it's always in the top > 30 pages from month to month) is the report from 2005. That's really interesting, and I wish I knew why that was. Then again, I'm sure you would too. :) > Regardless of their age, I think most of the trip reports are interesting to > read. I especially > appreciate the reports from Europe and Asia, since I might never get there. > It would be nice > to have an easier way to re-read the reports without having to dig through > the archives. Oh, I do too. If we were to put forth some sort of effort into cataloging trip reports from the archives, I think priority should go to (1) newer reports for often-visited parks and (2) lesser visited parks in general, no matter how old the report. I doubt a 2001 trip report from Cedar Point (for instance) is going to be too interesting to most people, whereas a 2001 trip report from Lotte World or Gold Reef City would be far more valuable IMO. Either way, there are a lot of messages in the archives to sort through... -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 13:15:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13579 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 20:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 20:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 20:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ksk7V-0006Ds-QW for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:15:53 -0400 Message-ID: <48FF89E6.90603@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:15:34 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a92573f36547e81f1bcc7ec7e581eb2cceb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=2dYGIQfOKNb8sO7OuKyTMpoKgD1wDDo8OGB1hwk-1OAUgcE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Oh, I do too. If we were to put forth some sort of effort into > cataloging trip reports from the archives, I think priority should go > to (1) newer reports for often-visited parks and (2) lesser visited > parks in general, no matter how old the report. > > I doubt a 2001 trip report from Cedar Point (for instance) is going to > be too interesting to most people, whereas a 2001 trip report from > Lotte World or Gold Reef City would be far more valuable IMO. Either > way, there are a lot of messages in the archives to sort through... > I agree on both counts, though eventually it would be nice to have them all archived. Sounds like a nice job for someone with some time on their hands, to basically dig through the archives, find the TR's, and copy them into a text file for whoever is going to do the compiling and site building. I can help on one thing- I've got almost all of my old TR's archived in my email program. Pulling them up and sending them to whoever is going to work with them is as simple as forwarding an old email. keep on ridin' George (who wonders how many read his Cypress Gardens TR) From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 13:19:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38063 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 20:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 20:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 20:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KskBC-0001nG-BD for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:19:42 -0400 Message-ID: <48FF8ACB.90508@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:19:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478757195e1c3cf0a929394b6df20afd3b6218191bc31cc3b36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: SFMM announces Terminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=7A8ErBsnX_VHOvq40UvceYSenPHq6gbFjMrHfRcuR23sBMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Their video and other information can be found on Six Flags site: http://www.sixflags.com/magicmountain/ Being built by GCI on Psyclone's old spot, it's going to be a twisting wood coaster, 2850 feet long, up to 55mph with a station fly through and an on board soundtrack on the trains. Not quite sure how Terminator works for a wood coaster, but then I wasn't on Evel Kneivel either. But I haven't been on a GCI I haven't really liked yet. So if SFMM can take care of it (and that's a big if), this should be a great addition to the park. Hopefully after this they'll do something about teh flat rides and entertainment as well. keep on ridin' George From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Oct 22 14:10:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21573 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 21:10:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 21:10:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 21:10:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21606 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 21:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 22 Oct 2008 21:10:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48FF969C.7050604@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:09:48 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <48FF8ACB.90508@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <48FF8ACB.90508@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFMM announces Terminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=APjnZK1t9gz3VGeIQT-v56VqBr1qLcy87Ri1Pzbez_7uXBBR X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I'm really excited about this .. I agree that the theme seems very strange, but a world with more GCII is a better world indeed :) Plus, I've heard many reports that GCIIs (with Millennium Flyer trains) require a lot less maintenance than the CCI and Gravity Group garbage, so I think it's a good fit for the park. The only thing bumming me out is the fact that I have no idea when I'll be there to ride it. I'll be passing through L.A on my way to Australia in March, but the coaster won't be running by then. Cameron. george burnash wrote: > Their video and other information can be found on Six Flags site: > http://www.sixflags.com/magicmountain/ > > Being built by GCI on Psyclone's old spot, it's going to be a twisting > wood coaster, 2850 feet long, up to 55mph with a station fly through and > an on board soundtrack on the trains. > > Not quite sure how Terminator works for a wood coaster, but then I > wasn't on Evel Kneivel either. But I haven't been on a GCI I haven't > really liked yet. So if SFMM can take care of it (and that's a big if), > this should be a great addition to the park. > > Hopefully after this they'll do something about teh flat rides and > entertainment as well. > > keep on ridin' > George > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 18:12:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6616 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 01:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 01:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 01:11:56 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so18770ywm.74 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.135.16 with SMTP id i16mr12667913and.99.1224724316455; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.32.3 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0810221811h46c37c37k1a836f0211c41471@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:11:56 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48FF89E6.90603@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48FF89E6.90603@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=km3SURZSWURrtcNegRLDaGwtbJUylqmOBmG2Wg3_SUtgPc4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska george I skimmed most of it but read the parts about the starliner. sounds like you all had a good time. and josh, that site looks really good, great job! On 10/22/08, george burnash wrote: > Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > >> >> Oh, I do too. If we were to put forth some sort of effort into >> cataloging trip reports from the archives, I think priority should go >> to (1) newer reports for often-visited parks and (2) lesser visited >> parks in general, no matter how old the report. >> >> I doubt a 2001 trip report from Cedar Point (for instance) is going to >> be too interesting to most people, whereas a 2001 trip report from >> Lotte World or Gold Reef City would be far more valuable IMO. Either >> way, there are a lot of messages in the archives to sort through... >> > > I agree on both counts, though eventually it would be nice to have them > all archived. Sounds like a nice job for someone with some time on > their hands, to basically dig through the archives, find the TR's, and > copy them into a text file for whoever is going to do the compiling and > site building. > > I can help on one thing- I've got almost all of my old TR's archived in > my email program. Pulling them up and sending them to whoever is going > to work with them is as simple as forwarding an old email. > > keep on ridin' > George > > (who wonders how many read his Cypress Gardens TR) > From Xcoaster@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 22:04:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15435 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 05:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 05:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 05:04:00 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so36132yxj.7 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:04:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.64.201.16 with SMTP id y16mr155068qbf.67.1224738239935; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:03:59 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0810221811h46c37c37k1a836f0211c41471@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48FF89E6.90603@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0810221811h46c37c37k1a836f0211c41471@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ryan Snooks" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=Jm73XioIBhYQdeZaftfxVOH9ucXVwFfkiBWAaaPjGy7Yzodge4S3OhY X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the topic of "Old TRs: Why?," I finished school with a course on Travel Literature, and it occurred to me during it that our theme park trip reports are an excellent example of contemporary travel literature in spite of the current proliferation of guidebooks. So the reason old TRs are still popular despite more up-to-date reports could be the same reason people still read old accounts of travel, in that older TRs offer not only some useful insight into the park being visited, but might also be nostalgic, contain past insights, or park history. Also, older TRs might contain a first impression of a park, while a TR from a later visit might just be noting lists of things that seem new, which could be less entertaining or less useful to a first time visitor. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Fri Oct 24 08:35:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16322 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 15:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 15:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0105.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 15:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5D393FE54 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 X-Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm37.48ffcb7c.5b3aa for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:35:13 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJAesxuOFWdwIAAAAB,1fb4786e7c05d87cdf2983c18516ac5b Message-ID: <6D05F664474A439387FE595BD994D72B@ScreamscapeHP> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:35:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Universal Studios Dubailand X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Q6UVlpUafxdVquMqYKIOuw2sXOsD7BEXj96D4AmnxOlf4i5iIicqVA5iNA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I've just posted a huge update to Screamscape.com after getting a chance to go over the entire Universal Studios Dubailand preview guide book pages. Every land is broken down into the details about the attractions, including a look at what looks to be a copy of Incredible Hulk, a Rapids version of Jurassic Park and what looks to be the huge hit for coaster lovers, the Dueling Dragon's concept reborn as a pair of dueling inverted coasters flying through the thick jungles of Skull Island as you try to escape from King Kong. www.screamscape.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 10:07:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31324 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 17:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 17:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 17:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2008 17:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2008 17:07:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:07:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48FF8ACB.90508@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.19.229.42 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: SFMM announces Terminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-2alYc5esoYRm4Rp7k80crTLhyyuCHHJ3TGZvgC8-oun1JLXE1V3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The length is just 2850 feet? I know that length alone doesn't make a terr= ific ride, but for=20 SFMM with all its record-breakers the coaster seems a bit short. GCI can c= ertainly pack a lot=20 of thrills into a small area. But it strange how it's advertised as having= just five hills. Also, the Terminator theme seems more suited to a steel ride than a wooden = one. I don't=20 understand why the park chose this ride for that theme (or vice-versa). Jay From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Oct 24 13:37:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72849 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 20:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 20:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.241) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 20:37:41 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c23so421611anc.121 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.31.10 with SMTP id e10mr3386797ane.12.1224880660658; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.111.17 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30810241337u4d9fd7f1g35594ff2bc889715@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:37:40 -0400 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: News: RIP Celebration City in Branson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=V6wU6H9sBOQcClxM-A0Dg_QqarM01h95kfkjQokh-_zEw84V X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons http://www.baxterbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20081024/UPDATES= 01/81024016/1002/NEWS01 Celebration City closing at Branson Other options being studied for theme park BRANSON, Mo. =97 The economic crunch has hit Branson with the announcement today of the closing of Celebration City. The theme park will close at the end of the day Saturday, which is its last scheduled operating day this season. In a news release, Herschend Family Entertainment cited "a shift in business strategy" in the decision to close the park on the western edge of Branson, but that it also is exploring new concepts for the site. Among ideas being studied are an aquarium, other family attractions and a re-theming of the current park as well as destination retail and dining. Celebration City opened in the spring of 2003 as a nighttime attraction that offered rides, games and family activities. Herschend Family Entertainment also owns Silver Dollar City, Whitewater and the Showboat Branson Belle. "As with businesses across the country, we have had to carefully examine our future strategic plans," said Joel Manby, president and chief executive officer for Herschend Family Entertainment. "We need to make smart, forward-thinking decisions in a tough economic climate. HFE has operated attractions in Branson for nearly 50 years, and our businesses there have continued to expand with the market growth. "We are confident Branson will continue to grow as one of America's premier vacation destinations for the long-term," Manby continued. "As we plan the re-development of the Celebration City property, we will focus on projects with strong appeal to new and returning visitors to the market." HFE properties in the region employ more than 2,000 year-round and seasonal positions. Approximately 18 full-time positions are directly impacted by the park closing, and the company is able to find new roles for most of those individuals, according to the release. Seasonal employees will have the opportunity to interview for 2009 seasonal positions at Silver Dollar City, White Water and the Showboat Branson Belle. From Briguy7568@aol.com Fri Oct 24 13:56:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7208 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 20:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 20:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 20:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d67.3492509d (32913) for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:56:16 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: RIP Celebration City in Branson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=U5afp7uoQQx9UgUc8mfT5YXjiwm4EoSW8EP7myphhAJ94qNHXg X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 In a message dated 10/24/2008 4:38:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 bethtoons@gmail.com writes: http://www.baxterbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20081024/UPDATES= 01/81 024016/1002/NEWS01 This is a crying shame. Sadly, I never got to get to this park. Any ideas = =20 where the Ozark Wildcat might go? I think Wild Adventures would be a good spot for it. Lots of room= =20=20 there for another coaster. =20 Brian **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorite= s,=20 no registration required and great graphics =E2=80=93 check it out!=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir=3D http://www.games.com?ncid=3Demlcntusgame00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Oct 24 14:29:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80342 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 21:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 21:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 21:29:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14680 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 21:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 24 Oct 2008 21:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <49023E4A.70005@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:29:46 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <74b0c9f30810241337u4d9fd7f1g35594ff2bc889715@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30810241337u4d9fd7f1g35594ff2bc889715@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: RIP Celebration City in Branson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=wknH51hZaq2zIn5zXI_IpvGu8legIYg4LeIZMfGzf66Zvcxg X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon AAww man - that's really sad news :( Cameron. Beth Aslakson wrote: > http://www.baxterbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081024/UPDATES01/81024016/1002/NEWS01 > > Celebration City closing at Branson > Other options being studied for theme park > > BRANSON, Mo. — The economic crunch has hit Branson with the > announcement today of the closing of Celebration City. The theme park > will close at the end of the day Saturday, which is its last scheduled > operating day this season. > > In a news release, Herschend Family Entertainment cited "a shift in > business strategy" in the decision to close the park on the western > edge of Branson, but that it also is exploring new concepts for the > site. > > Among ideas being studied are an aquarium, other family attractions > and a re-theming of the current park as well as destination retail and > dining. > > Celebration City opened in the spring of 2003 as a nighttime > attraction that offered rides, games and family activities. Herschend > Family Entertainment also owns Silver Dollar City, Whitewater and the > Showboat Branson Belle. > > "As with businesses across the country, we have had to carefully > examine our future strategic plans," said Joel Manby, president and > chief executive officer for Herschend Family Entertainment. "We need > to make smart, forward-thinking decisions in a tough economic climate. > HFE has operated attractions in Branson for nearly 50 years, and our > businesses there have continued to expand with the market growth. > > "We are confident Branson will continue to grow as one of America's > premier vacation destinations for the long-term," Manby continued. "As > we plan the re-development of the Celebration City property, we will > focus on projects with strong appeal to new and returning visitors to > the market." > > HFE properties in the region employ more than 2,000 year-round and > seasonal positions. Approximately 18 full-time positions are directly > impacted by the park closing, and the company is able to find new > roles for most of those individuals, according to the release. > > Seasonal employees will have the opportunity to interview for 2009 > seasonal positions at Silver Dollar City, White Water and the Showboat > Branson Belle. > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Oct 24 14:46:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4834 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 21:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 21:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.242) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 21:46:00 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so974673rvf.28 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.76.21 with SMTP id d21mr1480532rvl.242.1224884760752; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.190.19 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:46:00 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] News: RIP Celebration City in Branson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ni9CU0uE37LaX7zaMKWacVmT5Qt8uuPF1YKxhEeK7mQYTuGGfvibtGc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This is a crying shame. Sadly, I never got to get to this park. Any ideas > where the Ozark Wildcat > might go? I think Wild Adventures would be a good spot for it. Lots of room > there for another coaster. I'm guessing Ozark Wildcat will probably stay put and will become a part of whatever Herschend decides to do with the site. As for the other coasters, I've heard Jackrabbit is quite the POS, so no big loss there. It looks like we'll probably lose another Hurricane model though. :( -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 15:48:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35684 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 22:48:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2008 22:48:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 22:48:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 22:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 22:48:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:00:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.142.131 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=r3fsiA9cvKvDLTy1YzrtqyDAQy5n7pdnerQn8ZmFQowAOiamjw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I think I owe the group a couple TR's myself. There may be a=20 significant downside to those whirlwind trips I do.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Snooks"=20 wrote: > > On the topic of "Old TRs: Why?," I finished school with a course=20 on Travel > Literature, and it occurred to me during it that our theme park=20 trip reports > are an excellent example of contemporary travel literature in spite=20 of the > current proliferation of guidebooks. So the reason old TRs are=20 still > popular despite more up-to-date reports could be the same reason=20 people > still read old accounts of travel, in that older TRs offer not only=20 some > useful insight into the park being visited, but might also be=20 nostalgic, > contain past insights, or park history. Also, older TRs might=20 contain a > first impression of a park, while a TR from a later visit might=20 just be > noting lists of things that seem new, which could be less=20 entertaining or > less useful to a first time visitor. > --=20 > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 17:24:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32399 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 00:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 00:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 00:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 00:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.88] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 00:24:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:41:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: News: RIP Celebration City in Branson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=lPEVZQjeLXllDcRyQJQcrF6hHZvSXQCu9lLlFJlLlUbvWmvw0jFq X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Well, it's a good thing we made it out there this summer then. But as=20 for the park, it's really no big loss. That place was a complete waste=20 of time as far as we were concerned. There was nothing there to hold=20 us for more than 3 hours. It was very small, but most of all did not=20 compliment Silver Dollar City at all. For those who have never been,=20 SDC is like Dollywood, only twice as good and 3 times as authentic.=20=20 (Dollywood has better cinnamon bread, but that's it.) Celebration City=20 is nothing but a cheap slab of pavement with some portable rides and a=20 hastily put together "Main Street." After spending a day at SDC, we=20 were pretty let down by this place. Yeah, the Ozark Wildcat was decent, but really no different from any=20 other GCI (or whatever it is) that is being built nowadays. You can=20 find the same thing at many other parks, and personally, that style of=20 woodie is not my favorite. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 17:41:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70624 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 00:40:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 00:40:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 00:40:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39147 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2008 00:40:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .U5xgsgVM1mTJh20kBzLZ11RlTuUFa8tYlc5.cGZBEJsI8wAc.wTmzOKZGXuizcv.uvaonJGbBTwB6LmL8oUBmGI6VtMpE6FD3fsEF130._43Y7kAGFBcTafd29RV3h.0JPgFrrZb_RMvsoijLkUz3RyTcgR03uzZsTlVsHuIZ7a9yZKX2x7f4SpV.6iuGpAxDELn.6_ZNrnxgM- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:40:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:40:56 -0700 (PDT) To: gazette@wnycc.org, RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <30270.39008.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Wheel of Fright X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=eNiUpaEnlKBB_JtHznqmOP0QRCHavyFEdrzg6e6b9whwBhOHG48M X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Last year it was Madagascar cockroaches at Six Flags New England. This year it's up to chance. If you eat it, you get a free pass. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 17:43:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38687 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 00:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 00:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 00:43:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42832 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2008 00:43:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: er6rkzAVM1mgOnBh.KbwaPSxj2WGxZFtS8df3JIs7h63srOTD2Rqlvymt1msVTGx9nmNUL_XtBz99S3ffCea2uoIojYAdNODSlKFsLufOXWYjNCAWh5rPff5F9FIP100bayVEehvtsQzd1Kc905ymfvT.Ek- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:43:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:43:21 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <18550.42144.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: SFNE zoning tabled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=NVzD6Qm7KZA_5ELQ7cIIB3jWNkzoOxJMElTac7j9OWR72ubzg-a4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme They just can't seem to get it together in Agawam.... Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 17:47:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22227 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 00:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 00:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 00:47:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35616 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2008 00:47:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lW.37bUVM1m7yVeVFIe4Ah8LNwNnnheLNm52T44dhT3p6fpWbgnZkqujYoZVMTpMhw-- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:47:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:47:43 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <151708.29121.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Agawam parking ban defeated X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=V0lKMVieDx7uU9gEvqtQuuK_Mhzkwjo5zmqlG4oo4BYDe6zihqph X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme SFNE was counting on this ordinance to force people to pay exorbitant fees to park. It would levy hefty fines on those who charge SFNE guests small fees to park in their yards. Once again, some city councilors didn't show up to vote and the measure was defeated. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Oct 26 17:48:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88873 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 00:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 00:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f15.google.com) (209.85.217.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 00:48:01 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so3508590gxk.9 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:48:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.34.11 with SMTP id h11mr4138002agh.91.1225068480418; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:48:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.113.16 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0810261748s785e76f6gd7a4219a2d91a3ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:48:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <30270.39008.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <30270.39008.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Wheel of Fright X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=k5YF_5apjgQpUDUXeKnJsx8TS5c1A0BccxPlN0O7Q9EP0QykTA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Amazing. I LOVE it. This is seriously better than the cockroaches, cause it leaves it to chance. I don't care what PETA says, this is seriously great. Josh On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > Last year it was Madagascar cockroaches at Six Flags New England. This year > it's up to chance. If you eat it, you get a free pass. > > > > Jay > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 11:11:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11554 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:11:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0810261748s785e76f6gd7a4219a2d91a3ba@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.213.22.193 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Wheel of Fright X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=Dv6SWQX_iambjvofh68J4oiViYGogZGGJJCcJvkBdGRDtYnc0Q-I X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck =20 > I don't care what PETA says, this is seriously great. >=20 > Josh PETA can eat a dick... Oh wait, let me rephrase that... PETA can eat a=20 tofu dick. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 11:19:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64268 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 18:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 18:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 18:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 18:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 18:19:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:19:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30270.39008.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.138.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Wheel of Fright X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=VYsm0Mj7IuJ0vheUYXMOLJJxL2Vm9CAfITBjE3lxWSi1th_OuOA5 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > Last year it was Madagascar cockroaches at Six Flags New England.=20=20 This year it's up to chance. If you eat it, you get a free pass. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jay > I was fortunate enough to be selected to participate and spin the=20 Wheel at SFGAdv on 10/4. There's a very detailed description of my=20 experience on another site, but suffice to say I won. It was not a=20 given that the winner gets a pass. Two fellows were selected with me,=20 and I was the one fortunate enough to receive an '09 season pass for=20 my gastronomic efforts in eating raw octopus and squid. One of the=20 other guys got a gas card, and the other an Exit Pass, which I assume=20 was good THAT night. truly one of the best things that ever happened=20 to me at a park. Mike From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 06:28:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6938 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 13:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 13:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51709.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.227) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 13:27:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71199 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2008 13:27:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n3iN96cVM1nYCWpN8.aqmlfdOrrdgFTXpQldDm2WIH0HkZ_eJpbjhA_rYw3ZD5h0VUjcbq3qEuDVe32hMLxE2BDZ.juvh1VkleBkUukWgdfXTti9sdh.tuKT0vVc3nadGedm2ivfsHqOidUNJwY4hExJq5TdxvhZ5WyuBH8- X-Received: from [151.207.242.4] by web51709.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:27:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:27:56 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <342144.69476.qm@web51709.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.227 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Website discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=s-Gi5puv2dCmKPHXr56fOAFChemxAJeAP5bFeNjxBlr8UoW6 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Hello all, Hope I'm not too late to jump in on this discussion but I'll drop my "spare change" in nevertheless. For me, I'm not interested in an updated website. While I can see its potential usefullness, I doubt that I would ever really use it. That being said, however, if there is an inititive to produce such a site, I would indeed submitt an updated profile...with a pic even. I just ask that before significant time is invested in a redesign that we figure out the "purpose" for having a website. I, like many others, appreciate that this is an "email" list as opposed to other "web forum" sites. If this went to "web forum" only, I'd likely drop out (even more so than I have already ;)). But if it's just for a "meet & greet" for those that dont know us, I guess I'm okay with that. lata, jeremy P.S. I haven't posted much because I actually havent been to a park (fair/carnival/FEC/etc.) all year *sighs*. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Oct 28 06:50:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9720 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 13:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 13:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 13:50:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28267 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 13:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.140]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 28 Oct 2008 13:50:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:50:43 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: News: RIP Celebration City in Branson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=BQVs5s5LTJZXQLRpEhz8wk0RarYG3CozNRhuxmwLpuvOFOGG X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Well, it's a good thing we made it out there this summer then. But as > for the park, it's really no big loss. That place was a complete > waste > of time as far as we were concerned. Wow .. I could not have had a more opposite experience than you did - I really, really enjoyed Celebration City, and found it to be a terrific compliment to Silver Dollar City. I really liked the atmosphere, landscaping, and the rides (the layout did suck, though). So OzCat really is the only coaster there worth riding, but I liked the selection of flats, and thought that they were all run pretty well. It also was really well lit-up at night, it looked great. So yeah, I am sad that it's closing. There's talk of the area being re-themed so it might end up even better. It certainly will be interesting to watch. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Wiggle your * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** big toe.. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 14:33:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45231 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 21:33:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:33:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: News: RIP Celebration City in Branson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=QzfUmBw9kDSqKpFZXiUvEeR05VqbUM3QBvm3HFrmH7djYxDYC7ju X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Yeah, maybe I was a little harsh in my initial words, but we spent 2=20 days at SDC and CC. We actually left SDC earlier on the first day so=20 we could make it over. We were dissapointed that we had left what is=20 truly an amazing place, for that. To top it off, it was 100 degrees=20 that day with extremely high humidity. It was miserable in both parks,=20 but you can imagine it was much worst at CC, with not nearly as much=20 shade.=20=20 In fact, come 5:30, we had to leave back to the hotel for an hour just=20 to freshen up and take a break. When we came back, we had a decent=20 time, but we were able to kill the place off so we could spend the full=20 day at SDC the next day. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 19:29:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85453 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2008 02:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2008 02:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 02:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2008 02:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2008 02:29:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:29:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.128.52 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: News: RIP Celebration City in Branson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=o7SOXTtHpHsKY00tuBNkRXguesWsWnqLTgvCJApeBfz-x2PkVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Nah, you weren't too harsh, IMO. Being in the same town as SDC, and=20 being owned by the same company, it's natural to compare the two parks.=20 SDC is amazing, and CC pales in comparison as a result. If CC was=20 somewhere else, and/or owned by a different company, it would be easier=20 to see the good within.=20 As for OzCat, I found it decent, but not mindblowing. I placed it at=20 #43 of 113 woodies. (I've ridden a couple more than that, but I rank=20 the ScoobyDoos and the PTC Little Dippers together.) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > > Yeah, maybe I was a little harsh in my initial words, but we spent 2=20 > days at SDC and CC. We actually left SDC earlier on the first day so=20 > we could make it over. We were dissapointed that we had left what is=20 > truly an amazing place, for that. To top it off, it was 100 degrees=20 > that day with extremely high humidity. It was miserable in both=20 parks,=20 > but you can imagine it was much worst at CC, with not nearly as much=20 > shade.=20=20 >=20 > In fact, come 5:30, we had to leave back to the hotel for an hour=20 just=20 > to freshen up and take a break. When we came back, we had a decent=20 > time, but we were able to kill the place off so we could spend the=20 full=20 > day at SDC the next day. > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Oct 29 22:50:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30124 invoked by uid 7800); 30 Oct 2008 05:50:35 -0000 Date: 30 Oct 2008 05:50:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1225345835.144.30123.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=3apIQxgO4tiulyiHT1225345830-1" --YCalReminder=3apIQxgO4tiulyiHT1225345830-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal AstroWorld closed Thursday October 30, 2008 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Sierra Jackson wrote: > how do i unsubscribe to this group > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 5:50 AM > > #yiv1773329628 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} > #yiv1773329628 {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} > #yiv1773329628 > .propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;vertical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} > #yiv1773329628 > .propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align:top;} > #yiv1773329628 .divider{width:5px;} > #yiv1773329628 #main {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px > 0;margin-bottom:10px;} > #yiv1773329628 #main_info {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px > 10px;clear:both;width:505px;} > #yiv1773329628 .header_images > {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10px;} > #yiv1773329628 #header_yahoo_image > {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;background-repeat:no-repeat;height:28px;text-align:left;} > #yiv1773329628 #header_second_image > {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px;height:38px;} > #yiv1773329628 .header_spacer {height:10px;} > #yiv1773329628 .line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} > #yiv1773329628 #copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} > #yiv1773329628 #main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px > 15px;} > #yiv1773329628 #tip_footer {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} > #yiv1773329628 .clear_line{font-size:8px;} > > Reminder from: > > RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Sierra Jackson wrote: > how do i unsubscribe to this group > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com > wrote: > > From: RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder > To: RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 5:50 AM > > #yiv1773329628 a {color:#0066CC; text-decoration: none;} > #yiv1773329628 {text-align: center;font- family:Arial; } > #yiv1773329628 > .propertyname{ text-align: right;font- size:13px; color:7A8180; vertical-= align:top; white-space: nowrap;} > #yiv1773329628 > .propertyvalue{ text-align: left;font- size:13px; vertical- align:top; } > #yiv1773329628 .divider{width: 5px;} > #yiv1773329628 #main {background- color:#4D94DB; width:525px; padding:0 0= 10px > 0;margin-bottom: 10px;} > #yiv1773329628 #main_info {background- color:white; margin:0px 10px 0px > 10px;clear:both; width:505px; } > #yiv1773329628 .header_images > {height:55px; margin-left: 10px;margin- right:10px; } > #yiv1773329628 #header_yahoo_ image > {margin-top: 13px;float: left;width: 274px;background -repeat:no- repeat;= height: 28px;text- align:left; } > #yiv1773329628 #header_second_ image > {margin-top: 10px;float: right;width: 60px;height: 38px;} > #yiv1773329628 .header_spacer {height:10px; } > #yiv1773329628 .line_divider {height:20px; clear:both; } > #yiv1773329628 #copyright_footer {font-size:10px; } > #yiv1773329628 #main_table{ padding:0; border-spacing: 0;margin: 15px 10p= x 10px > 15px;} > #yiv1773329628 #tip_footer {font-size:10px; text-align: center;} > #yiv1773329628 .clear_line{ font-size: 8px;} > > Reminder from: > > RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > > > Title: > > AstroWorld closed > > > > Date: > > Thursday October 30, 2008 > > Time: > > All Day > > Repeats: > > This event repeats every year. > > Location: > > Houston, Texas > > Notes: > > On this date in 2005, after 37 years of operation, Six Flags AstroWorld > (originally known as just AstroWorld) closed. The park was dismantled, an= d > the property sold. > > > > Yahoo! Greetings: > > Send a Yahoo! Greeting > > Yahoo! Shopping: > > Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide > > > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder optionsCopyright (c) 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | > Terms of Service | Privacy Policy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 19:16:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73272 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2008 02:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2008 02:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 02:16:23 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KvjYl-00035b-Fz for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:16:23 -0400 Message-ID: <490A6A6D.3030406@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:16:13 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <127372.15527.qm@web46411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <127372.15527.qm@web46411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782dc5ff7f8a5ee123f9f0cb6b3fd4a461d055e3363c3a121e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ErqURM9laVIPJr9B-AsljD7X3_m5_zBDXWlMMDzrwoO7FUw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Sierra Jackson wrote: > > > no its cause i hardly get on yahoo and when i get on my box if like 500 > somethin messages > consider it done. Sorry about that. George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 22:52:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93310 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 06:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 06:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 06:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 06:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 06:52:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:52:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.128.52 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: 2008 Mitch's Internet Coaster Polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=CwDOeohS7eMUyFZOS4qI0ZMfYBFqSxEkf-5wjJz581JTyWuVmg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well, it's that time of year again, and Mitch is doing things a tiny=20 bit differently:=20 The Wood Poll and the Steel Poll are running concurrently, but on two=20 separate ballots. (No stagger of the start and end dates this year.)=20 Also, the poll instructions have been separated from the actual=20 ballots, as they were becoming rediculously long to have both in=20 one .txt file.=20 For the first time ever, the wood ballot contains all the operating=20 wood coasters in the world, plus all of the SBNO woodies that we were=20 aware of. The steel ballot obviously doesn't have all of the steel=20 coasters, there's just too many of them! The link to the poll is here: http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm Steel Instructions/Groups/Errata: http://www.ushsho.com/steel_instructions_2008.txt Steel Ballot: http://www.ushsho.com/steelballot2008.txt Wood Instructions/Errata: http://www.ushsho.com/wood_instructions_2008.txt Wood Ballot: http://www.ushsho.com/woodballot2008.txt All Ballots for both polls are due to Mitch by 1 December 2008.=20 Thanks in advance for your votes, and don't forget to say that you=20 saw it on RollerCoaster Talk! Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 16:32:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86074 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 00:32:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:32:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Yk6bFQfhHcwz8QE-xc2xgVwB8RBFXBIXdKST2Ws66lfSytKw89jx X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme They can now build rides up to 200' high without a special permit. I found= the final comment=20 interesting: --- "We really want Six Flags to have the opportunity to grow and present (more= recreational)=20 opportunities for families," Piper said.=20 --- I don't know too many "family" rides that are 200' high. Perhaps they'll p= ut an observation=20 tower in. Also, it's interesting that although SROS is just over 200' high= , it's in a gully about=20 20' below the rest of the park. I wonder where the 200' height measurement= is taken from. Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Nov 08 10:34:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58028 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 18:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.170) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:34:07 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so1789690wfd.32 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:34:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.226.3 with SMTP id y3mr1528664wfg.325.1226169242969; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:34:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.215.3 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:34:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:34:02 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Gdj9kRzLlEDuqypf5LJDHTmMNUEGAJ5swPT_Khe4MA61OHL_dkDkV4o X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I don't know too many "family" rides that are 200' high. Ever ridden a B&M hypercoaster? ;) -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Nov 08 11:07:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32898 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 19:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 19:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 19:07:55 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so637114yxj.89 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:07:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.111.1 with SMTP id o1mr6158403ybm.79.1226171274513; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:07:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.144.13 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:07:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0811081107w2b2d5d09xc893f3b319157c9f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:07:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=KFnCr-hbwD3Vc_7fGaDMGfXOXGVSa_aI83GSDBVVw2jt91g X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska in my experience children typically will start riding the big coasters around age 10 or 11 if they meet the height requirement. Kids will typically start riding the medium or family sized rides around age 7. Im using my experience chaperoning trips of foster children to SFNE as the basis for this information. most of the kids aged 7 or so would go on thunderbolt, the ones that liked spinning would go on pandemonium. The older kids around 11, mainly the boys, would ride superman but a lot of them would still be afraid of the coasters that went upside down, including the parks boomerang. Anyway, the point of this pointless post was to illustrate that what we consider family rides is pretty much pointless. Aside from the more kiddieish coasters, like the twisted train, there is a pretty small amount of years between children riding family coasters compared to the biggest coaster in all of new england...unless it does those loopdy loops. mike working on saturdays is boring On 11/8/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> I don't know too many "family" rides that are 200' high. > > Ever ridden a B&M hypercoaster? ;) > > -Nate > From rimantgupta@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 11:27:03 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31623;u=;t=1226193576;m=728896803;s=2448868490; From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Nov 08 11:51:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7187 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 19:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 19:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 19:51:55 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so680251ywe.1 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:51:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.111.15 with SMTP id o15mr6221188ybm.52.1226173914558; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:51:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.144.13 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:51:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0811081151p8d110blee97d7f0d2420de2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:51:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <923012.47179.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <923012.47179.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=pYO3eS9OkRojy2L_dHm8wTPzgw2X7_Scc_nIaamiaoWZniM X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska without looking into the link at all im going to take a wild guess and say not to check that out! On 11/8/08, RIMANT GUPTA wrote: > hi guys > try something very interesting > http://triveni.myminicity.com/ind > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Nov 08 12:36:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59246 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 20:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 20:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 20:36:06 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1103648ywm.72 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.29.17 with SMTP id c17mr4504300agc.13.1226176565271; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:36:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.113.16 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:36:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811081236x59e1a881kec999177865a8a16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:36:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0811081151p8d110blee97d7f0d2420de2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <923012.47179.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0811081151p8d110blee97d7f0d2420de2@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=GEihdJFvOuclY8mAS_WMWLffa3uMQP637EotLKoh4EE5w-HTvg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Interesting that this was also posted to a calligraphy yahoo group, however - all I can figure about it is that it's an online "sim city" type game. It must be a link to his city, Still not clickin' -Josh On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > without looking into the link at all im going to take a wild guess and > say not to check that out! > > On 11/8/08, RIMANT GUPTA wrote: >> hi guys >> try something very interesting >> http://triveni.myminicity.com/ind >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Nov 08 14:26:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34993 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 22:26:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 22:26:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 22:26:45 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so748798yxp.54 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:26:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.186.21 with SMTP id j21mr6396461ybf.123.1226183203153; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:26:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.144.13 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:26:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0811081426v1a92d633xcf2e550f4589aac1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:26:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0811081236x59e1a881kec999177865a8a16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <923012.47179.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0811081151p8d110blee97d7f0d2420de2@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0811081236x59e1a881kec999177865a8a16@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=KHOZOu-PKMJDKP73gLDFNQIxwytQFwf8xQstXAwxM_AvNP4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska even more interesting is that youre on a yahoo calligraphy group. mike just joshin ya On 11/8/08, Josh W wrote: > Interesting that this was also posted to a calligraphy yahoo group, > however - all I can figure about it is that it's an online "sim city" > type game. It must be a link to his city, > > Still not clickin' > > -Josh > > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: >> without looking into the link at all im going to take a wild guess and >> say not to check that out! >> >> On 11/8/08, RIMANT GUPTA wrote: >>> hi guys >>> try something very interesting >>> http://triveni.myminicity.com/ind >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >> > From zaldarff@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 17:00:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74408 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 00:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2008 00:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 00:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2008 00:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2008 00:58:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:58:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.233.95.71 From: "zaldarff" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=pxT9DYNU1Ng7wskxz0DO5kyktlTT04qGRVZf_e9w0rnnPnw X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff -- What's all the fuss about "family riders" anyway? Do we really need=20 little rugrats riding on 200 ft coasters? There's a reason for hight restrictions you know.=20 Besides, It's not only not safe for them but it's not safe for us=20 ether.Can you imagine those little guys cutting in line for a ride=20 that's probibly too big for them anyway? They'd end up tripping the=20 rest of us and lets not forget that bad habbit they have of sitting=20 or even standing on the hand rails.Please NO "FAMILY RIDERS" FOR ME=20 THANKS, at least not on something that's ment for old and more=20 experienced rides. It's bad enough that we have to have our ears=20 blasted by teeny bopping girls. We really don't need that other kind=20 of moise. Maybe I'm bing too rough but to me at least it seems to be=20 getting out of hand.=20=20 - In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > They can now build rides up to 200' high without a special permit.=20=20 I found the final comment=20 > interesting: >=20 > --- >=20 > "We really want Six Flags to have the opportunity to grow and=20 present (more recreational)=20 > opportunities for families," Piper said.=20 >=20 > --- >=20 > I don't know too many "family" rides that are 200' high. Perhaps=20 they'll put an observation=20 > tower in. Also, it's interesting that although SROS is just over=20 200' high, it's in a gully about=20 > 20' below the rest of the park. I wonder where the 200' height=20 measurement is taken from. >=20 >=20 l?category=3DAgawam+category=3DArts/Entertainment> >=20 > Jay > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Nov 08 17:18:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41649 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 01:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2008 01:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 01:18:15 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KyywQ-0000wU-My for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:18:14 -0500 Message-ID: <49163A55.4060707@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:18:13 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <923012.47179.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <923012.47179.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786212cf0340f4effe7b94cfec70c643d5ea38fca240c46191350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=9nxhM_273cXAto70_GMtLH0TCbsiANBKAl1Sdqbdww1GLH4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash RIMANT GUPTA wrote: > > > hi guys > try something very interesting Yes, try something interesting... like getting banned for spamming! :P keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Nov 09 00:04:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36757 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 08:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2008 08:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 08:04:54 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1022078ywk.48 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:04:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.98.13 with SMTP id v13mr4866838agb.112.1226217893810; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:04:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.113.16 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:04:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811090004laee8a5ap1f77a79a03e4e5bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 03:04:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0811081426v1a92d633xcf2e550f4589aac1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <923012.47179.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0811081151p8d110blee97d7f0d2420de2@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0811081236x59e1a881kec999177865a8a16@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0811081426v1a92d633xcf2e550f4589aac1@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=FAt9fU2I8UvcyQ-BVveVy-gSQYzPsCfzE2uQCRj4xrqQj4jruw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny LOL I'm not. I googed the address, that's how I knew. On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > even more interesting is that youre on a yahoo calligraphy group. > > mike > just joshin ya > > On 11/8/08, Josh W wrote: >> Interesting that this was also posted to a calligraphy yahoo group, >> however - all I can figure about it is that it's an online "sim city" >> type game. It must be a link to his city, >> >> Still not clickin' >> >> -Josh >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: >>> without looking into the link at all im going to take a wild guess and >>> say not to check that out! >>> >>> On 11/8/08, RIMANT GUPTA wrote: >>>> hi guys >>>> try something very interesting >>>> http://triveni.myminicity.com/ind >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>> >> > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 16:34:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88439 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2008 00:34:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2008 00:34:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:34:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13274 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2008 00:34:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vg1t6OgVM1lWTEV2trYZS0ttiiRsmEc8rXVcMAHra2RWRrZ.vVd8aezEau2Ou5sweqPQeFkfOBymTnngmgsi6Q1OyHfmGiePUzGZlhOC5lmc2flVzTeZl71_ErvN9zchkF9Q3IHHwkVK4HZ36jCWw5DttcLXYjp1VBc_r0ITqD5F8uzdI071jOD2RA-- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:34:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:34:07 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1226258038.2938.26773.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <580681.12698.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=554lFybt_18NCuCPVLFHuRzD005WmHIWBhYddx2hEEsVL3-2F3a6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It's bad enough that we have to have our ears blasted by teeny bopping girls. We really don't need that other kind of moise. < But what you're complaining about isn't my idea of a "family park." You're describing what I've come to expect from Six Flags -- a teen thrill park. Family parks like Disney, Busch, Canobie, Knoebels, Compounce et al, don't cater specifically to that crowd. They have something for everyone so that no member of the family is left out. But often at Six Flags it feels like everyone is left out except the teens. Even a lot of their shows are aimed at that age group. As a consequence, there's very little that I enjoy doing there -- except for Superman, Thunderbolt and the New England Skyway. I used to like the Colossus, but that was removed. I enjoyed the Antique Cars, but that was removed. I liked the flume, but that was removed. How about holding off on the coasters and instead putting in a nicely themed train or trolley ride or a new Ferris wheel or an observation tower? Or heck -- how about some shade? Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Nov 09 16:43:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75528 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2008 00:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2008 00:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:43:28 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so757062ywm.34 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:43:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.71.16 with SMTP id t16mr4605222aga.96.1226277807044; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.113.16 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811091643u34dbc4a5rf4db9f51c268afe7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:43:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <580681.12698.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1226258038.2938.26773.m45@yahoogroups.com> <580681.12698.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Vq1dvRocjQvseESSmqfNMUK9hrKt7AiYRAOLsU95OsisMNUf2A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Because a new train, observation tower, or trolley doesn't pay the bills. It's like walking into a trendy store in the mall and saying "You know what you guys need? Polyester plaid sportcoats with leather elbow patches!" It might have been all the rage once, but it's going to wind up on the clearance rack (AKA "chopping block" at a park) really fast due to lack of sales (ridership, etc..), so why bother in the first place? Josh On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> It's bad enough that we have to have our ears blasted by teeny bopping >> girls. We really don't need that other kind of moise. < > > But what you're complaining about isn't my idea of a "family park." You're > describing what I've come to expect from Six Flags -- a teen thrill park. > Family parks like Disney, Busch, Canobie, Knoebels, Compounce et al, don't > cater specifically to that crowd. They have something for everyone so that > no member of the family is left out. But often at Six Flags it feels like > everyone is left out except the teens. Even a lot of their shows are aimed > at that age group. As a consequence, there's very little that I enjoy doing > there -- except for Superman, Thunderbolt and the New England Skyway. I used > to like the Colossus, but that was removed. I enjoyed the Antique Cars, but > that was removed. I liked the flume, but that was removed. How about holding > off on the coasters and instead putting in a nicely themed train or trolley > ride or a new Ferris wheel or an observation tower? Or heck -- how about > some shade? > > Jay > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Nov 09 16:50:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84369 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2008 00:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2008 00:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 00:50:19 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so820594yxi.86 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.141.8 with SMTP id t8mr8737814ybn.145.1226278219060; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.144.13 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:50:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0811091650p71e1fc57u21ac585c81f4e244@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:50:19 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <580681.12698.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1226258038.2938.26773.m45@yahoogroups.com> <580681.12698.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=VZ6zoydCt34ItEGImqHe_hhK-FhgQSKoHUoHTyLme1zpCuo X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska This is what I don't really get. Since when are teens not members of families? And I just wrote a large post about how pre-teens are frequently riding these large roller coasters. So for the too-old-for-the-3-kids-areas demographic, there are still plenty of rides for them. Granted, most of these nesesitate having a stomach which can handle lots of spinning...but this age group typically is the best for that. Including the 3 coasters that will be ridden by this age group (twisted train, pandamonium, and thunderbolt) there is the sky ride, wave swinger, kon-tiki (thunderbolt), rapids ride, spinning raft ride, slingshot, bumper cars, and tea cups. They have taken out many rides over the last few years, without replacing them with anything, but the park still has a lot to do for every age group at the park. On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> It's bad enough that we have to have our ears blasted by teeny bopping >> girls. We really don't need that other kind of moise. < > > But what you're complaining about isn't my idea of a "family park." You're > describing what I've come to expect from Six Flags -- a teen thrill park. > Family parks like Disney, Busch, Canobie, Knoebels, Compounce et al, don't > cater specifically to that crowd. They have something for everyone so that > no member of the family is left out. But often at Six Flags it feels like > everyone is left out except the teens. Even a lot of their shows are aimed > at that age group. As a consequence, there's very little that I enjoy doing > there -- except for Superman, Thunderbolt and the New England Skyway. I used > to like the Colossus, but that was removed. I enjoyed the Antique Cars, but > that was removed. I liked the flume, but that was removed. How about holding > off on the coasters and instead putting in a nicely themed train or trolley > ride or a new Ferris wheel or an observation tower? Or heck -- how about > some shade? > > Jay > > From jjloj@netzero.net Sun Nov 09 17:22:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14773 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2008 01:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2008 01:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 01:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2008 01:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.95] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2008 01:22:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:22:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.37.67 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=0BzurBbUaX2wi-5qITEQQBT9L6W2_Q3tn5tezEgKxNA X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj In case anyone is interested. www.coasternaut.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Nov 10 14:52:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49900 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2008 22:52:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:52:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ogIIB7WxON_tdsqqelMxMjAAQOH7mMW0Dq7nPBDJScjcx-pyQYYk_Uhy0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 this is sad; Cypress Gardens Closing For Winter; Drops Rides, Animals Mon. November 10, 2008; Posted: 11:44 AM=20 WINTER HAVEN -- Cypress Gardens Adventure Park will close Nov. 17 and=20 reopen in March without its ride or animal attractions.=20 In an effort to ensure the park's long-term presence, it will open=20 reopen with an expanded water park attraction, officials said.=20 About 200 employees will be laid off temporarily and will learn in=20 the next few weeks whether they will be retained, Jennifer Mansfield,=20 the park's marketing manager, said this morning.=20 "It was a move necessary at this point to keep the long term in mind=20 and sustaining Cypress Gardens as people know it," Mansfield said.=20 The water show and extensive, exotic displays of foliage have been=20 the signature elements of the 72-year-old Winter Haven park known as=20 Florida's first tourist attraction.=20 Mansfield said details will be provided in the near future on=20 specific plans for attractions.=20 The park's butterfly exhibit is being cared for, but no plans have=20 been determined for what other attraction or zoo might take it and=20 animals such as a jaguar that were part of Cypress Gardens displays.=20 Patrons holding season passes should monitor the park's Web site,=20 www.cypressgardens.com, for updates on options that might be=20 developed, Mansfield said.=20 Renovations will take place at the park during its typical slow=20 season and be ready for spring, when the park is busiest, officials=20 said.=20 Last year, Cypress Gardens had 50 to 200 visitors on weekdays during=20 the fall season. This fall, the park trimmed its operation to=20 weekends, like other smaller attractions such as Silver Springs in=20 Ocala.=20 Since the early 1970s and the development of Orlando and Tampa theme=20 parks, Cypress Gardens has been shaped by a series of ownership and=20 management changes. In recent years, the park branded itself as a=20 local and regional attraction compared with nearbyattractions offered=20 by Disney, Busch Entertainment and Universal.=20 The park does not release attendance figures, customary for the=20 industry. However, attendance reportedly averaged about 800,000=20 annually in the late 1990s and early 2000s, before the park closed in=20 April 2003. At the time, attendance reportedly fell by 42,000 in=20 March that year to an undisclosed number, then-park president Bill=20 Reynolds said at the time.=20 A Georgia entrepreneur, Kent Buescher, purchased Cypress Gardens and=20 reopened it later in 2003, but the park suffered $25 million in=20 hurricane damage in 2004 that Buescher could not recover from=20 insurance.=20 The most recent ownership group, a Mulberry real estate company that=20 bought Cypress Gardens in October for $16.8 million after Buescher=20 was forced to put the park into a bankruptcy auction, said the park=20 drew 82,248 visitors in December, down from 99,283 in December 2006.=20 http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2010312/ From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Nov 10 14:57:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36651 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2008 22:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2008 22:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 22:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bf9.4ce831a4 (14467) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:57:37 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=Y70rLJj3eRx4Cs-jwfjLQHDiVArd-US8vslcUv2HImKj30qetA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have any idea as to the fate of the classic wooden coaster, Starliner, or the other woodie, Triple Hurricane? I'd hate to see Starliner be destroyed after such an effort was made to save it and relocate it to this park. Brian **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 16:02:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20778 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 00:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 00:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 00:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzgi1-0003k4-VF for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:02:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4918CB85.3000405@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:02:13 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786212cf0340f4effe78de09ff246a50f184dd8e4d944c5ca4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=KSFvLTm4WT0OlVb7HxucmCDsHRwYMds8AzWTxGhslQ71ilE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > > > Anyone have any idea as to the fate of the classic wooden coaster, > Starliner, or the other woodie, Triple Hurricane? I'd hate to see > Starliner be > destroyed after such an effort was made to save it and relocate it > to this park. They haven't given any indication at all of what's going to happen yet. Screamscape picked up on this probably happening a little while ago when several of the rides turned up for sale on a ride resale site, but the coasters were not among them. So not a clue. Very disappointing, as the last couple of times I was there the crowds were pretty good. I'm really happy now that we went a couple of weeks ago. keep on ridin' George From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 19:35:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7833 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 03:35:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:35:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=AzhKMPLxE_aW8vYvwBLKsgNxpJOtWCFZpJ-uNPumJgKdlJtXv69r X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zaldarff" =20 wrote: > > -- > What's all the fuss about "family riders" anyway? Do we really need=20 > little rugrats riding on 200 > ft coasters? There's a reason for hight restrictions you know.=20 > Besides, It's not only not safe for them but it's not safe for us=20 > ether. Yeah, and if they meet the height restrictions, let them ride. My=20 son rode Twister at Knoebels on his 5th birthday. That's quite a=20 thrill ride. He rode Powder Keg this summer too. He met the req's,=20 therefore the insurance company decided it was safe. And he was. My son loves thrill rides. If it were up to him, he would have=20 ridden Top Thrill Dragster when he was 4. There is nothing in the=20 entire world I wold rather do than take my son to a park and ride=20 with him. You don't like sharing the line with a 6 year old? Then=20 eat a bowl of dicks. > Can you imagine those little guys cutting in line for a ride=20 > that's probibly too big for them anyway? They'd end up tripping the=20 > rest of us and lets not forget that bad habbit they have of sitting=20 > or even standing on the hand rails.Please NO "FAMILY RIDERS" FOR ME=20 > THANKS, at least not on something that's ment for old and more=20 > experienced rides.=20 You don't like kids, we get it. But kidshave every right to be there=20 as you do if they meet the requirements. Are you a recluse? Ever go=20 to a mall, grocery store, any public place for that matter? If you=20 don't get all your goods and services through mail order, how do you=20 avoid kids and families everywhere in life?=20=20 Tripping over them? Watch where you're going. Lines don't move that=20 fast. Worried about line jumping? It's not the little kids you=20 gotta worry about, it's the teenagers who are big enough to ride,=20 even by your standards. > It's bad enough that we have to have our ears=20 > blasted by teeny bopping girls.=20 Agreed... but only because I'm in my 30's now... when I was a teen, I=20 loved those "teeny bopping girls" I'll be the first to admit, I'm not usually thrilled about who I=20 share a line with on a given day at a park, but that's too bad for=20 me.=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Nov 10 22:50:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40508 invoked by uid 7800); 11 Nov 2008 06:50:16 -0000 Date: 11 Nov 2008 06:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1226386216.14.40505.m47@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=OW6LoVzgR7Ts8M0Rx4RZki0wsUuVZWG1226386210-1" --YCalReminder=OW6LoVzgR7Ts8M0Rx4RZki0wsUuVZWG1226386210-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=OW6LoVzgR7Ts8M0Rx4RZki0wsUuVZWG1226386210-1-- From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 05:38:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71494 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 13:38:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:38:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4918CB85.3000405@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=bcIZkGsD9i0vxTuONSWf3q99TluAajGL_QJE8tKAkjn0ubKUCpzxHEmZzA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > Very disappointing, as the last couple of times I was there the=20 crowds=20 > were pretty good. I'm really happy now that we went a couple of=20 weeks ago. my wife just found out that this weekend its only $10 to get in, so we=20 will head out there saturday. i havent gotten a chance to ride=20 starliner yet, looking forward to that.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Tue Nov 11 05:53:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68792 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 13:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 13:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAE23C75E2 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:52:13 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 X-Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm101.4910d458.2165cc for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:52:12 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJGY4Mua20rwIAAAAB,156b3958b291b12853a213b4a9f4e8af Message-ID: <068FED7CA8C94E8A9B8F560E5807C6C7@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <4918CB85.3000405@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4918CB85.3000405@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:52:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=UMAh3ZzEB0HK5HegItixAXg-iSDwoxIigK-wVVxe6KPFVqrOcl4GVLLuKw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Anyone have any idea as to the fate of the classic wooden coaster, >> Starliner, or the other woodie, Triple Hurricane? I'd hate to see >> Starliner be >> destroyed after such an effort was made to save it and relocate it >> to this park. > > They haven't given any indication at all of what's going to happen yet. > Screamscape picked up on this probably happening a little while ago > when several of the rides turned up for sale on a ride resale site, but > the coasters were not among them. So not a clue. Actually, since that first report where I found 11 of the park's flat rides up for sale, I've been sent the entire report listing the appraised prices for ALL of the park's rides, including Starliner, Triple Hurricane and every other coaster in the park. Starliner is listed at $900,000 Triple Hurricane is $750,000 Swamp Thing is $2.2 million Okeechobee Rampage is $1.2 million Galaxy Spin is $875,000 So everything is now for sale... but I have doubts the woodies will be saved myself. The market just hasn't been very pro-active with the concept of saving old wooden coasters and moving them, with the Starliner being the only exception... And from what I was told, it cost them a lot more and took a lot longer than expected to move it... So I wouldn't be surprised if the trains are sold and the structures are demolished... though I think it would be nice if Cypress Gardens were to keep at least the Starliner... From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 05:55:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72632 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 13:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 13:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 13:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 13:55:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:55:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=0PaUUxnYPm9KZNDrsO3i-AMbQvjid9Bpcr518H45jXrd4QPtRBTh54faxA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > There is nothing in the=20 > entire world I wold rather do than take my son to a park and ride=20 > with him. You don't like sharing the line with a 6 year old? Then=20 > eat a bowl of dicks. i second that. i always think its funny when people complain about little kids at=20 parks. as if they wouldnt have LOVED it if their parents had taken them=20 on rides like that when THEY were little kids.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 05:58:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93312 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 13:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 13:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 13:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 13:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 13:58:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:58:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <068FED7CA8C94E8A9B8F560E5807C6C7@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.98.250.92 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ZeKVW6nJ4e5tkVh2xsI8KjrZae2A2l4wvd40gm3XxFSpQivVjQ6RLdCWPw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > So I wouldn't be surprised if the trains are sold and the structures=20 are=20 > demolished... though > I think it would be nice if Cypress Gardens were to keep at least the=20 > Starliner... i could be wrong about this, but wasnt the park supposed to be bought=20 by Dollywood or Silver Dollar City (or is that the same group), or were=20 at least in negotiations to have that happen? its interesting how much=20 Cypress reminds me of Dollywood, with the attention to details of old=20 timey nostalgia.=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 11 06:18:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14091 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 14:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 14:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 14:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzu51-0006t0-Eg for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: <4919944A.2060404@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:18:50 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786212cf0340f4effeba6007140fe65b986eee5de946158a9b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=CZvBzberdecWJP9Xeg0akvTNOLzL8gteEeQu0GuePn-L3pM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , "Lance" wrote: > > So I wouldn't be surprised if the trains are sold and the structures > are > > demolished... though > > I think it would be nice if Cypress Gardens were to keep at least the > > Starliner... > > i could be wrong about this, but wasnt the park supposed to be bought > by Dollywood or Silver Dollar City (or is that the same group), or were > at least in negotiations to have that happen? its interesting how much > Cypress reminds me of Dollywood, with the attention to details of old > timey nostalgia. > It's sister park, Wild Adventures, was bought by the Herschend family, who are the ones that run Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, etc. Cypress Gardens was sold to a different ownership group in a separate purchase at the bankruptcy auction. keep on ridin' George From lance@screamscape.com Tue Nov 11 06:20:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68087 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 14:20:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 14:20:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 14:20:06 -0000 X-Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5426BE361 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:20:06 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 X-Received: by dm24.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm24.4918484c.3ad9a for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:20:06 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJGZSWKe+1GgIAAAAB,eaa2c17c66b66514e69dbcb9004f9823 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:20:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=RIN1of60TjpubaClG1zRk9Zbf9rQScJrXLwV5xKD0nv4bTrTumKlmu3x6A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" wrote: > There is nothing in the > entire world I wold rather do than take my son to a park and ride > with him. You don't like sharing the line with a 6 year old? Then > eat a bowl of dicks. i second that. i always think its funny when people complain about little kids at parks. as if they wouldnt have LOVED it if their parents had taken them on rides like that when THEY were little kids. ----- Gotta go in there as well as my oldest son is 6 and hit that magic height this past spring, finally reaching 48 inches and was able to ride pretty much anything that wasn't an Intamin or B&M coaster. Before that he had already been on every major thrill ride in WDW except Rock 'n Roller coaster but over the past six months he got to ride that, go to BGT and do Scorpion & Gwazi, and all the 48" coasters at Carowinds, SF over Georgia, Hard Rock Park and Hersheypark and loved every damn one of them. I think the one ride that did us both in was ironicly enough not even a coaster, but the Flying Falcon at Hersheypark, a Condor style ride, and that thing is by far the most scary ride in that entire park. One ride was more than enough on that beast for both of us. Now he's waiting to grow those last few inches to take on B&Ms... which he knows by sight because of the track style. Go figure... he's my son. ;-) From lance@screamscape.com Tue Nov 11 06:22:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6391 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 14:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 14:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0105.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 14:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D836666C9 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:22:34 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.4910d461.21862e for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:22:33 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJGZUpRCODUQIAAAAB,194efa95e9e283635d554759aac435df Message-ID: <3932DEB93F6247F9B8AF022764D90027@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:22:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=29N9owQQvy0m8x7rmC81Mi7T_O_8lvczDy-qbyXv5IyLXCRyD27255onDw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals i could be wrong about this, but wasnt the park supposed to be bought by Dollywood or Silver Dollar City (or is that the same group), or were at least in negotiations to have that happen? its interesting how much Cypress reminds me of Dollywood, with the attention to details of old timey nostalgia. --- No, they bought the other park only, Wild Adventures and did not want Cypress Gardens. I thought it odd at first too considering how barren Wild Adventures is by comparison, but kind of makes you wonder what they saw on the books that scared them away from Cypress in retrospect. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 12:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40540 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 20:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 20:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 20:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 20:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 20:34:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:34:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=r5MZAkaHdQgQTogredb8O1aQOjPk1GjaNSpbVzTYKMbWBaVK41qU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Interesting idea. Check this out: Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 12:53:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75478 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 20:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 20:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 20:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 20:47:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 20:47:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:47:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0811091643u34dbc4a5rf4db9f51c268afe7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=fEl6quRQQsL0KKKWt0WBuT61VAQiz0FktQevYEyuz5Pnxoll-znv X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Because a new train, observation tower, or trolley doesn't pay the bills.= < I disagree with this. Those "family" rides don't bring the park tons of pu= blicity, but it=20 makes the place more enjoyable for all age groups. And families can ride t= hem=20 *together.* That, IMO, eventually is good for the park, because rather tha= n drop their kids=20 off at the park and then leave, parents will spend the money for admission = because they=20 too will have fun. Too often I've seen parents just let their kids run off= on their own=20 because they (the parents) don't want to do the "spin-and-barf" rides that = SIx Flags often=20 has in abundance. I've been in that position myself. I don't like most looping coasters and = I like very few flat=20 rides. My wife is the same way. But we enjoy the whole atmosphere of park= s, the scenery,=20 the sounds. When there's a lot for us to do there, so much the better. Bu= t if, like at SFNE,=20 there's only a handful of rides we enjoy and not much else for us to do, we= can't justify=20 spending the money to go there -- especially when Lake Compounce and Canobi= e are=20 nearby and give us much more bang for our buck. So yes -- SFNE is losing money (ours) by not providing more rides for a wid= er age group.=20=20 Teens certainly *are* part of a family -- but Six Flags seems to focus pred= ominantly on=20 them and forgets that there are older people who enjoy parks. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 13:18:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90470 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 21:18:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 21:18:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 21:18:54 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so155830rne.12 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:18:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.89.14 with SMTP id m14mr7633606agb.60.1226438301293; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:18:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.113.16 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:18:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811111318u6e77b5dbm5658377860dcdf6c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:18:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0811091643u34dbc4a5rf4db9f51c268afe7@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=TT6vJqUZEp8bY9rIcbw9j_5Aqmb1DTV0mo-q8ycCumIB5qr4NQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny From a business perspective, losing money from 2 people, versus gaining a large chunk of teen customers (and possibly their parents') dollars, I'm afraid I'd have to skip the trolley as well. I know you don't agree, but it's so obvious, and it makes so much sense. Josh > > So yes -- SFNE is losing money (ours) by not providing more rides for a > wider age group. > Teens certainly *are* part of a family -- but Six Flags seems to focus > predominantly on > them and forgets that there are older people who enjoy parks. > > Jay > > From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 13:49:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99076 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 21:49:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 21:49:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 21:49:42 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z25so77251ele.1 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:49:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.43.19 with SMTP id v19mr12701642ybj.19.1226440181984; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:49:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.197.19 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:49:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30811111349u748ea272w4526c9d39c63560c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:49:41 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0811111318u6e77b5dbm5658377860dcdf6c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0811091643u34dbc4a5rf4db9f51c268afe7@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0811111318u6e77b5dbm5658377860dcdf6c@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=JKHOZAIm7H_I3Zye9aMAqXwrHqQ_nL8oLAcFAg5pDQtNQMpb X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons So the millions and millions of boomers who are retiring and have years of free time to fill and retirement savings to spend should just be completely turned away from the amusement park experience while the people from the birth control generations who actually decided to spawn should keep the entire amusement park industry afloat all by themselves? Nevermind the unrealistic market expectations of constant growth... at some point, the numbers don't match up and the teenage market is saturated and the smart businesses will be well rounded enough to support a wider age range. Obviously the other extreme of catering soley to the boomers didn't quite fly with all the issues Hard Rock had, but the parks that have had a banner year this year are the ones that are a little smaller, a little lesser known and can offer a well rounded mix of experiences for everyone in the family from the new baby through grandma. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Josh W wrote: > From a business perspective, losing money from 2 people, versus > gaining a large chunk of teen customers (and possibly their parents') > dollars, I'm afraid I'd have to skip the trolley as well. > > I know you don't agree, but it's so obvious, and it makes so much sense. > > Josh > > > >> >> So yes -- SFNE is losing money (ours) by not providing more rides for a >> wider age group. >> Teens certainly *are* part of a family -- but Six Flags seems to focus >> predominantly on >> them and forgets that there are older people who enjoy parks. >> >> Jay >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 15:12:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87710 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 23:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 23:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.225) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 23:12:47 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so115034rvb.21 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:12:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.225.19 with SMTP id x19mr4535939rvg.275.1226445167295; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:12:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap2.p4.sca.7sys.net ([66.35.228.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm26983570rvb.7.2008.11.11.15.12.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:12:46 -0800 (PST) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:12:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491a116e.1f538c0a.53fd.ffffe799@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=qaHhVz2KDE8PYVClauze6zQVfAgP-vJ7IX-Sl0C-FKoKEhAi1g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Even so, how many retired boomers are going to show up somewhere based on whether or not they have, or are installing a trolley etc.. I feel they are more likely to go, and possibly enjoy those things if they have a younger family member that's attracted to something snazzy and new. I'm not 'one of those' people who thinks everything should be a thrill ride, but there's a fine line to walk there. --- Original Message --- From:"Beth Aslakson" Sent:Tue 11/11/08 4:49 pm To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance So the millions and millions of boomers who are retiring and have years of free time to fill and retirement savings to spend should just be completely turned away from the amusement park experience while the people from the birth control generations who actually decided to spawn should keep the entire amusement park industry afloat all by themselves? Nevermind the unrealistic market expectations of constant growth... at some point, the numbers don't match up and the teenage market is saturated and the smart businesses will be well rounded enough to support a wider age range. Obviously the other extreme of catering soley to the boomers didn't quite fly with all the issues Hard Rock had, but the parks that have had a banner year this year are the ones that are a little smaller, a little lesser known and can offer a well rounded mix of experiences for everyone in the family from the new baby through grandma. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Josh W wrote: > From a business perspective, losing money from 2 people, versus > gaining a large chunk of teen customers (and possibly their parents') > dollars, I'm afraid I'd have to skip the trolley as well. > > I know you don't agree, but it's so obvious, and it makes so much sense. > > Josh > > > >> >> So yes -- SFNE is losing money (ours) by not providing more rides for a >> wider age group. >> Teens certainly *are* part of a family -- but Six Flags seems to focus >> predominantly on >> them and forgets that there are older people who enjoy parks. >> >> Jay >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 18:11:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59004 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 02:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 02:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 02:10:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:10:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:10:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:10:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0811111318u6e77b5dbm5658377860dcdf6c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=sZs8FzzZ9I1NacHxeLXq71V0Ba7q8YHJ8Pc7OGk9isAW0jjlgfMrfpq8xA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > From a business perspective, losing money from 2 people, versus > gaining a large chunk of teen customers (and possibly their parents') > dollars, I'm afraid I'd have to skip the trolley as well. >=20 > I know you don't agree, but it's so obvious, and it makes so much=20 sense. uhm, if you are gonna talk about a business perspective, than why is it=20 that parks like Disney and Busch continue to flourish while SF parks=20 are constantly in the red to the point they had to sell off some=20 parks?!=20 its pretty clear that catering to just teens doesnt keep the rides=20 running.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 18:16:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44212 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 02:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 02:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 02:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:16:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:16:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=-glojh9xwIO2BLc5Eap4HC3Fq88lkrWYpxvH6bsWeshbS43NxvPsvIyT0w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > So yes -- SFNE is losing money (ours) by not providing more rides for=20 a wider age group.=20=20 > Teens certainly *are* part of a family -- but Six Flags seems to=20 focus predominantly on=20 > them and forgets that there are older people who enjoy parks. and lets not forget where teens get their money from-mom and dad. and=20 in these economic times, it makes more sense to go to a park that=20 everyone will enjoy and not just a place to drop off the teens. mom and=20 dad want to have some fun too, so a park should be able to cater to=20 them as well for the most fun for the family buck. single out everyone=20 but teenagers, and you might just lose your revenue.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 18:16:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73044 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 02:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 02:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 02:16:54 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so95158ywe.71 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:16:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.25.11 with SMTP id 11mr7855434agy.57.1226456213087; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:16:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.113.16 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:16:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811111816q5cd0be9ek377469432144192@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:16:52 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0811111318u6e77b5dbm5658377860dcdf6c@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=RQutGLdx6yr7IJhGyIolf2iCAC8Tob7roLV8RVU2UjMGcG_n9A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Disney and Busch aren't just a place you take your kids for a day, they offer an all-around experience. Anything they add is going to appeal to a broad range of people. Disney/Busch to SF/CF = comparing apples to pumpkins, man. I'm pretty much the resident Disney freak here, and I'm still anti-trolley/mother goose ride as a marketable attraction anywhere else. Josh On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" > > wrote: >> >> From a business perspective, losing money from 2 people, versus >> gaining a large chunk of teen customers (and possibly their parents') >> dollars, I'm afraid I'd have to skip the trolley as well. >> >> I know you don't agree, but it's so obvious, and it makes so much > sense. > > uhm, if you are gonna talk about a business perspective, than why is it > that parks like Disney and Busch continue to flourish while SF parks > are constantly in the red to the point they had to sell off some > parks?! > > its pretty clear that catering to just teens doesnt keep the rides > running. > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 18:20:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23595 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 02:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 02:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 02:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:20:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:20:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <491a116e.1f538c0a.53fd.ffffe799@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=G_fu1fR7zEHTp9Jr_PwF8RcAuNnl-Zs2R0Xfx1Pf7j8FdjKaxBe7SNStpw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, josh.wozny@... wrote: > > Even so, how many retired boomers are going to show up somewhere=20 based on whether or not they have, or are installing a trolley etc..=20 gosh, i dont know. how many people retire to CA and FL? and gee, what=20 parks are located in those states?=20 id say a lot more older folks are more than happy to spend their hard=20 earned retirement money taking their grandkids to a nice quiet family=20 park than a park that is basically a treeless parking lot filled with=20 spin-n-spews and mega-rollercoasters.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 18:24:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97208 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 02:24:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 02:24:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 02:24:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:24:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:24:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:24:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0811111816q5cd0be9ek377469432144192@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=8H0pmfWTCfRuuO_nnfL0X2LBZ0lf49VRPnwRWbz_9PyAXCauLyhjeu339A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Disney and Busch aren't just a place you take your kids for a day, > they offer an all-around experience. Anything they add is going to > appeal to a broad range of people. Disney/Busch to SF/CF =3D comparing > apples to pumpkins, man. >=20 > I'm pretty much the resident Disney freak here, and I'm still > anti-trolley/mother goose ride as a marketable attraction anywhere > else. ah, but you werent talking about from a marketing perspective. you=20 were talking about a business perspective, which is different. sure a=20 trolley or skytower isnt going to make the news like an X or TTD. but=20 imagine if Disney had decided to only focus on big extreme rides and=20 forgo basics like quality theming, customer service and family rides=20 like SF does. id say theyd be as bad a financial shape today as SF=20 is. you have to look at the overall financial picture, and its pretty=20 obvious who is in the black and who is in the red as far as theme=20 parks go.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 18:32:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58959 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 02:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 02:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.170) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 02:32:55 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so191015wfc.20 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:32:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.193.13 with SMTP id q13mr3290947wff.265.1226457175347; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:32:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:32:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811111832j73dfdaaboe4ff61f557e5899@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:32:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0811111816q5cd0be9ek377469432144192@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=cQr679XYadCjOW5o5IwUWBecPqdrQB0uENGNi51Vnd26B6Pelg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Go back, and read what I wrote again. I explicitly stated that I'm not talking about the "BIG XTREEM!11!@! RIDEZZ!!" We weren't talking about themes here, Jay has always been a proponent of trolleys and carousels and mother goose or whatever :-P, and while I agree it has its place, I don't see it, as a "brand new" attraction, appealing to anyone enough to make them visit. Case in point is, sure it's nice to give the "boomers" something to do when they bring their kids and grand kids to the park, but I think the thought process is "why bother to spend the money on it, if they're already coming anyway"? I guess maybe that's just their niche. Josh On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" > wrote: >> >> Disney and Busch aren't just a place you take your kids for a day, >> they offer an all-around experience. Anything they add is going to >> appeal to a broad range of people. Disney/Busch to SF/CF = comparing >> apples to pumpkins, man. >> >> I'm pretty much the resident Disney freak here, and I'm still >> anti-trolley/mother goose ride as a marketable attraction anywhere >> else. > > ah, but you werent talking about from a marketing perspective. you > were talking about a business perspective, which is different. sure a > trolley or skytower isnt going to make the news like an X or TTD. but > imagine if Disney had decided to only focus on big extreme rides and > forgo basics like quality theming, customer service and family rides > like SF does. id say theyd be as bad a financial shape today as SF > is. you have to look at the overall financial picture, and its pretty > obvious who is in the black and who is in the red as far as theme > parks go. > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 18:33:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83847 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 02:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 02:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 02:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 02:33:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:33:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30811111349u748ea272w4526c9d39c63560c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Six Flags finally gets height variance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=ltgYOKPYrXgJeAjxjqBeHdC9rTopr516HGKxQ4CkRvX0IxqXGFef X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > the parks that have > had a banner year this year are the ones that are a little smaller, a > little lesser known and can offer a well rounded mix of experiences > for everyone in the family from the new baby through grandma. Try telling that to Cypress Gardens, Whalom, Coney Island, Conneaut=20 Lake, etc. Hell, let's even throw Geauga Lake in there while we're at=20 it. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 18:28:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2028 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 02:28:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 02:28:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 02:28:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67220 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2008 02:28:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IBNbft8VM1kwrovpzSKHRFhhdvM5uO3E5581SfYpdhxfAZSEPFfdEt58kwpAGKJHZD4sE_GrJsBrz52f0Yffad3ByJo0LRKUfUgphzJUyUGVtbT3eJX_P3EiWleQojcBn03mfiu3uUI4tXsNPuXAMRxnm5rKJSRGTpOj.bv52U.pF8WjIcZjCXtbJQ-- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:28:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:28:37 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <560483.66195.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Thrills or Families (was Six Flags) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=hGrvdf9GV_Q0D5uhoswPO00AjC0tTmH-x6o3ZLqc_huTIttUHrH9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Try telling that to Cypress Gardens, Whalom, Coney Island, Conneaut Lake, etc. Hell, let's even throw Geauga Lake in there while we're at it. < Cypress existed for decades just fine. It was only when new management began to reshape the park (and take on debt) that things went sour. Whalom was doing fine when it closed. It was purposely shut down by a sleazy businessman who bought a controlling interest in the park and only wanted the land for development. Coney was similar to Whalom -- the parks were doing fine. But an unscrupulous developer took control of the land. Conneaut was just a lot of poor management. True family parks rarely die because of unpopularity; they usually die (or are put to death) because either the original owners can't find anyone to carry on their vision or because someone either unscrupulous or incompetent takes over. Family parks are perennial money-makers. Thrill parks on the other hand either have to keep adding new expensive thrills to stay alive (which adds to the overhead) or risk irrelevance when their target audience moves on to other diversions. Jay From lance@screamscape.com Thu Nov 13 09:09:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26608 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 17:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 17:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0102.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 17:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5957567384E for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:09:49 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 X-Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm52.491b8348.3e995 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:09:48 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJHF9cB15PyAIAAAAB,0557f89f76dc46b850afe701a73252bb Message-ID: <7BAF09C59E90428A86453AE879EAFEC4@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <560483.66195.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <560483.66195.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:10:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Thrills or Families (was Six Flags) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=_6NIpqcze-66vpLZF0lIiixVttGGYro6lPTVQOLXEFKUe2Ysq21F7-K2JA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Cypress existed for decades just fine. It was only when new management > began to reshape the park (and take on debt) that things went sour. That's not true. Cypress Gardens has been in trouble for years, which is why Anheuser-Busch was so quick to dump it after getting it along with the SeaWorld parks. They closed down Boardwalk & Baseball within days of the purchase due to the fact that they didn't want any competition on the drive from Orlando to Tampa, but they left Cypress Gardens up and running for a few years to get a feel for it until they determined the park wasn't in good shape. The local management put together a buyout package and took the park solo... and ran it that way until it just could no longer survive and they had no choice but to close it down in early 2003 in the aftermath of the 9/11 incident when Floirda was still feeling the financial pinch. The old "shape" of the park was no longer the big draw it used to be in the Florida market... the landscape and demographics had simply changed too much. Plus around this time is when the housing boom really started to have an impact on Florida homes... with many homes doubling their value between 2001 and 2005... which also doubed the ammount of tax due. This on top of the bad hurricanes that followed and home owner insurance problems and price increases has kind of changed Florida's old "retirement friendly" status quite a bit, causing many to leave or seek alternate retirement locations. Jump ahead... it looks like the only way to bring back the park was to add something new to it that would appeal to the current tourist demographics in the nearby Orlando area, and that was to add rides. The gardens remained along with the famous ski show, so the old classics would still be there for the older crowd while they started to try and lure in a new younger audience. It sounded like a good idea... but as they prepared to reopen the park massive hurricane damage took place putting the park $$millions$$ in the hole, and meanwhile the insurance companies have yet to pay up... I feel bad for Kent Buschner who put his successful Wild Adventures park on the line to revive Cypress Gardens and in the end he lost everything. Jump ahead to today and it turns out the new owners really haven't been willing to put anything money-wise into the park and were actually said to have been selling off items (like the old Mega-bounce ride) to get money for their park budgets to get through this last year. From what I've been told they were not interested in taking any kind of proactive plan to save the park and instead were talking with various groups about selling off the park for months now, only to have those other parties decide against the purchase very quickly, which follows the pattern of Herschend Family Entertainment who picked up Wild Adventures on the cheap last year but was not even the slightest interested in buying Cypress Gardens at the same time. It kind of makes you wonder what they saw when they were given full access to the park's financial records. In the end though, I think what is killing cypress gardens most, other than the local compeition, is what has always hurt it all along... A very poor location that is not freeway friendly, forever keeping the park out-of-sight and out-of-mind. This same problem can also be placed on a number of old Florida area attraction that have vanished over the years as well as those that are currently fading away like Weeki Wachee. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 15:24:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75559 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 23:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 23:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.139) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 23:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 23:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 23:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 23:23:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:23:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7BAF09C59E90428A86453AE879EAFEC4@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.159.168.72 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Thrills or Families (was Six Flags) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=yuZPKYNORrAOneLYTCpAeEQeWASEoIkDLdhCVPkhzWoysxACsU-6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > it looks like the only way to bring back the park was to add something ne= w to it that would=20 appeal to the current tourist demographics in the nearby Orlando area /snip= / but as they=20 prepared to reopen the park massive hurricane damage took place putting the= park=20 $$millions$$ in the hole, and meanwhile the insurance companies have yet to= pay up...=20 /snip/ From what I've been told they were not interested in taking any ki= nd of proactive=20 plan to save the park /snip/ A very poor location that is not freeway frie= ndly, forever=20 keeping the park out-of-sight and out-of-mind. < Well Lance, I think you've proven my point. :-) It's not that no one want= ed to go to a "family"=20 park; it was a combination of other circumstances that led to its demise. = Cypress opened in=20 1936 and did fine until recently. It wasn't Disney nor was it Cedar Point.= It was a different=20 type of attraction. But it held its own as a unique place for 70 years. I= wouldn't exactly say=20 that the park was a failure. It had an audience, one that in recent years = had dwindled. But=20 with a little TLC and patience (and wise financial management), I'm confide= nt its popularity=20 would once again rise. Jay From lance@screamscape.com Fri Nov 14 08:03:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41632 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0107.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0107.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C32EB2E368 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:03:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 X-Received: by dm25.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm25.491b833f.625f8 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:03:29 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJHaFRKxXT7QIAAAAB,c4e43e8d7fa432d9ab36d1230d002dfc Message-ID: <270A8707F99C4CA0B012FF531227AC4E@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:03:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Thrills or Families (was Six Flags) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=5PACLezRAbesPpOkKP5hGo28VhPst8oJKsYZutjydExEXkvtubwzgmPltQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay_ducharme" >>It had an audience, one that in recent years had dwindled. But with a little TLC and patience (and wise financial management), I'm confident its popularity would once again rise. If the park had low or no debt, I'd agree that it could survive, even as a kind of non-profit "garden" style park. But as a 'theme park' in today's market... I don't think it is going to make it, not at the kind of prices parks like to charge for things. The best way to survive under the new concept is going to probably be to keep that $5 entry fee special as a daily thing and try to lure school groups out by the ton, because as a major attraction, I think the park's old audience has passed on... Someone tried to create a similar idea out in California a few years ago... Bonfante Gardens... now known as Gilroy Gardens, but they tried to at least have a few kiddie rides for entertainment's sake as well, but nothing major. I think the biggest ride was a smallish mine train style coaster. The park still tanked and was eventually bought by the city who still isn't quite sure what they want to do with it. I just don't see Cypress surviving as a for-profit venture anymore... and expanding the waterpark has got to be one of the worst ideas since I'd heard it wasn't anything special to begin with, but in Florida where there are so many big players in the waterpark biz (Disney has 2, Universal has 1, Busch has 2 + Discovery Cove) I just don't think there is room for another waterpark to survive out in the middle of no-where-land. Even Water Mania off 192 near Disney had to throw in the towel and close down a few years ago, probably not too far away from when Busch announced their intention to build Aquatica. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 02:19:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55624 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 10:19:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 10:19:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 10:19:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 10:19:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 10:19:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 10:19:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:19:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4919944A.2060404@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 221.43.81.173 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Cypress Gardens to remove rides, animals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=K3fpa94AtMORFVzDvt-oFkWIgO6XJRruGVXmRwoXqJqlcQy3CQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 What a shame. Wild Adventures was a dump last month when I visited.=20 They bought the wrong park. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Doug Nelson wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com=20 > > , "Lance" =20 wrote: > > > So I wouldn't be surprised if the trains are sold and the=20 structures > > are > > > demolished... though > > > I think it would be nice if Cypress Gardens were to keep at=20 least the > > > Starliner... > >=20 > > i could be wrong about this, but wasnt the park supposed to be=20 bought > > by Dollywood or Silver Dollar City (or is that the same group),=20 or were > > at least in negotiations to have that happen? its interesting=20 how much > > Cypress reminds me of Dollywood, with the attention to details=20 of old > > timey nostalgia. > >=20 >=20 > It's sister park, Wild Adventures, was bought by the Herschend=20 family,=20 > who are the ones that run Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, etc.=20=20 Cypress=20 > Gardens was sold to a different ownership group in a separate=20 purchase=20 > at the bankruptcy auction. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Nov 16 07:41:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97907 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:40:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.134.39) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:56 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:40:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.134.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: sad TR: Cypress Gardens X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=O2hzfSOx4jDSLvCYpPO85QUJ1pxlRk2y4Gys5GS1ohb8gkpVl0PzcTU7WA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 with closing emminent, we decided yesterday to make one last trip to=20 Cypress, especially considering this is the last weekend it would be=20 open before they take all the rides out. We got there around 11:30 with the parking lot 3/4 full. the first=20 sad sign was that we never saw the Flying Saucer appear over the=20 trees, which was always such a fun welcome. We took the "tram" to the=20 front of the park and paid the $10 for tix. We entered and so far=20 everything looked good so far. Lots of people milling about,=20 everything was in good shape, shops open, etc. Another hint of the=20 pending doom was that all merchandise was 50-75% off. I found that=20 odd, since i would have thought that they would at LEAST keep the=20 shops. I figured id hit the shops on the way out. We immediately headed towards rides, which looked to be running. Even=20 Starliner, which had been listed as "not running today due to=20 maintainence", was operating. My wife and 3 yo son hit a clump of=20 kiddie rides while i queued for my only new-to-me coaster of the day,=20 the Starliner. The line wasnt terribly long, but unfortunately even=20 with 1 car running, the load time was taking at least 10 minutes=20 between runs for some reason. They also werent filling the car which=20 made no sense either. after about a half hour of only moving 15 feet,=20 to my chagrin i left the line. good thing too-as my son was finishing his ride on the little cars,=20 the sky opened up. good thing we brought an umbrella, because there=20 was no covered shelter nearby. the rain lasted for about 5 minutes,=20 and as soon as it was over, most of the kiddie rides restarted. in=20 fact, one of the ride ops walked up to another and said, "hey, if=20 people are waiting, the ride runs". the other op didnt look too happy=20 about that, as his control panel was now in the middle of a puddle of=20 water at his feet.=20 we walked along the path, my son getting rides on everything he could=20 find. we soon came upon the Okeechobee Rampage, a decent little=20 Vekoma coaster. amazingly, my son was right at about 36", which meant=20 he could ride with me. as we were standing in line, a guy in front of=20 me looked at us a little concerned. "a little small, aint he?". i=20 shrugged stating, "he meets the height requirements. besides, he was=20 the one that wanted to ride it". the man looked surprised and pointed=20 at my son, saying "HE wanted to ride it?!!". "yup", i stated, "hes=20 turning into a ride fiend of his own". it was a proud moment. my son handleded the ride well, despite the fact that the lap=20 restraint left a little too much distance from his lap for my comfort=20 level. but he was fine, though he looked a little dazed when it was=20 over. a 42' foot coaster-not bad for a 3 year old! we got to the pond at the far end of the lake, with many small rides=20 forming a circle around the pond and its centerpiece, the ferris=20 wheel. my son continued his Zamperla-fueled rampage, riding most of=20 what he could.=20 my wife motioned to the Swamp Thing, the Vekoma suspended perched on=20 the top of the hill. "Want ta go ride it?", she asked. I looked at=20 her wearily, stating, "you know how bad the Vekoma SLCs are? mutiply=20 the pain level by 10. thats what that thing is". she understood (i=20 had ridden it in the rain the year before. twice. i had only intended=20 on once, but the funny ride ops decided to let it run again non- stop).=20=20 we queued up for the Ferris Wheel which like Starliner, was taking=20 forever to load. we talked to some people in line. we all noticed=20 that the ride op was only loading 6 cars on the entire ride. we all=20 thought this was odd. when we got up to our turn, i asked him why he=20 had to do this. he said it had to do with balancing the ride=20 properly, and weight distribution. my wife and i looked at each=20 other, thinking the same thing-then why does the wheel have some many=20 cars if they were never intended to be used, and why were all other=20 parks able to fill every car on THEIR wheels?! we collectively rolled=20 our eyes. walking around the area made me really downtrodden, on top of not=20 being able to ride Starliner and some of the other rides due to=20 either not operating or taking forever to keep lines moving. i just=20 couldnt believe they were going to rip all these rides out, even the=20 older rides like the wheel or the double decker carousel. i had asked=20 a few ops if they truly were going to take out everything. the=20 opinions were a unanimous yes.=20 we walked through the arcade to the path around the lake, just as the=20 water show was set to begin. this was nice, as i had never seen the=20 show performed. it was cute, and definitely had that bygone era feel=20 to it. of course it made me wonder how this was still going to have=20 the same appeal if the only thing else in the park was going to be a=20 water rides and the gardens.=20 as it was getting to be about 3 and we still wanted to hit Ikea in=20 Orlando, we headed back up to the shops for some food. Wondering=20 around the gardens, watching the hang gliders, i was glad to know=20 that at least these things were staying, at least from what i heard=20 so far. We ended up in the Marketplace, which basically looked like an old=20 mall foodcourt. I had the pizza, which was ok but nothing special,=20 and the wife had a huge chilidog while our son had chicken nuggets.=20 while waiting for my pizza, i asked the cashier about the buildings.=20 she said she didnt know their fate, as they havent said whether they=20 were keeping them or not. i found this to be very distressing, as the=20 buildings definitely added the atmosphere. she also said that they=20 just found out about all this pretty much the same time the public=20 did. and lastly, she said that the feeling that most of the employees=20 had was that the owners only cared about money, and that if it wasnt=20 profitiable, it had to go. while i can understand that viewpoint, im=20 not sure taking everything out just to put in water rides is the way=20 to go.=20 afterward we hit a few shops for some clearanced merch, but almost=20 everything was already gone. i grabbed an shirt for my son and a few=20 xmas ornaments. we talked about trying to get back over to the Triple=20 Hurricane or Starliner, but since we were still heading to orlando,=20 we decided against it. so with a last morose look around, we bid=20 farewell to Cypress Gardens, probably for the last time.=20 ill be curious to see their numbers next year as compared to this=20 one. personally i think it will be dismal failure. not in terms of=20 expenditures-after all, to operate an maintain some slides and a pool=20 are a lot cheaper than rollercoasters and flats. but in terms of=20 customers paying to get in? i think it will be a spectacular mistake.=20 this economic downturn is said by many economists to last until at=20 least 2010. that means that families already crunched for=20 entertainment on their budget will probably only pick one park to=20 attend or buy a pass for, if that. and while Cypress Gardens will be=20 cheaper that Universal or Disney, it now will offer only a water park=20 to keep the kids entertained. And i think that putting all your=20 emphasis on just that wont be enough to keep your park revenue in the=20 black. you want to attact MORE people, not LESS. you dont take out=20 rides in order to get your attendance numbers up.=20 but whatever. it was a fun park with some cool history. but the same=20 could be said for a lot of other parks that fell under the ax. but i=20 for one will definitely be spending my money elsewhere in the future.=20 i dont have any desire to drive an hour out of my way for a half- assed water park.=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Nov 16 22:50:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44482 invoked by uid 7800); 17 Nov 2008 06:50:29 -0000 Date: 17 Nov 2008 06:50:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1226904629.9.44481.m52@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: IAAPA Attractions Expo, 11/17/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Cxkos77AJsFCLcKUdawkJO1226904626-1" --YCalReminder=Cxkos77AJsFCLcKUdawkJO1226904626-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=Exkos77AJsFCLcKUdawkPW1226991024-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Nov 17 22:51:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47748 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 06:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 06:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 06:51:40 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so3036954rvf.44 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:51:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.166.1 with SMTP id o1mr2424665wfe.237.1226991100650; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:51:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.101.5 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:51:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811172251x189cec01o7945cade35a9b141@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:51:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1226991028.12.82752.m43@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1226991028.12.82752.m43@yahoogroups.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] IAAPA Attractions Expo, 11/18/2008, 12:00 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=s09gD9LzTs0xGFn7uKUX0qjMiM230dzK1QShUxQek0CxIvFVog X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny <> AWESOME! 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All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | > Privacy Policy From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 16:30:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84304 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 00:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 00:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 00:30:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90491 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2008 00:30:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zKLlNksVM1mNfwxUAlDzwjOEn168zKzndYwzrNQ_DL34ySZs47wZq2fM7GNNeakyJThTAJJY3A57X2dVdwj6BVStj3O9Qyr0ssVA1CqzCzMJqq.H6qPdzaw5lPG88js_1bXjTTHlh7muG8O4HHq6hWKmWfSCJU8IMlnPfTRU X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:30:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:30:33 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1227051467.3086.14188.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <738151.90453.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: IAAPA Attractions Expo, 11/18/2008, 12:00 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=SE8rnY_xkmZaRd6dx5d-i2zKDti0Thryn2bqnfb4Y2tD7OWiHPBk X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme <> > AWESOME! < LOL! Well, at least it's something to read. Luckily, with my short-term memory lapses, each posting will seem fresh to me. I really don't mind the notices. This list has gotten uncharacteristically quiet lately. Each time something pops up in my mailbox, I re-think whether there's any park-related news I want to post. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 16:36:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52877 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 00:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 00:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 00:36:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79637 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2008 00:36:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: J3c1nVkVM1loh2EnmPFQdVB051y_C2OKUbBBIuGAKqtrtKm0Z1cxe9iW0TQFypb.KHyax3gP8XScNk10hVyGRvE1W3Ft4BQix1OKl08lO_.W8y23Am.nhSxHtA1uVG.i.6EOgN5e358cX9DGd8SJNZCuv8SpZXQuDHIbGi.2X5n.1wE- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:36:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:36:32 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <881563.78869.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: MISC: New coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=JHJiOxHrblv8E9lCvivDg6dq2jU2ezPbJK-HquICbLTDIkXpp0WL X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Does anyone have any reactions to a couple of new coasters: One is the odd little Tube Coaster by ABC Rides at Germany's Trampolino. The other is the Gravity Group woodie going up in China. Jay From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Fri Nov 21 14:09:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18010 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 22:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 22:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 22:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-42-183.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.42.183]:32913 helo=[10.0.1.4]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L3eBs-0004Br-GR for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:09:28 -0500 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:09:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: SFKK case settles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=sUI8fauklZGo0HaDFHZdQHapu5lIk4ze21k_OMlt0XlupyU8pK_mNA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Of possible interest... http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/tortsprof/2008/11/six-flags-kentu.html From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 18:14:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72478 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 02:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 02:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 02:14:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23161 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2008 02:14:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WprZOYkVM1mI.3zy.VgKz9N0k8tE.MPN_9aDaOSPwH3wvsAXax6rDfMh0SzkBqLtO04oVFhwX4OnjKG8SP_adxhFtEwSPargewLKVZb2u3vJsYrmCGVrl09lkcf7J2YR6p8A6INAGmZzHjoW4jYNQQ1D7g-- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:14:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:14:32 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1227381655.2982.33415.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <261110.22569.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: SFKK case settles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=TvHk9AFkWdorQSqLr9XvHklziYZmCLsZT8DrxxndHiuWWSWW9pP8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Interesting. It's settled, but it doesn't appear that it's over. There's still the issue of Six Flags suing Intamin. It is strange that the park too longer than expected to settle this. It was as if they were punishing the family for the park's apparent negligence. Jay From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Nov 24 10:23:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99012 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 18:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 18:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO joxer.wnec.edu) (205.246.4.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 18:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from [10.4.20.65] (unknown [10.4.20.65]) by joxer.wnec.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6549BE297 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:23:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:23:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 205.246.4.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: SFKK settlement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=LBlcf1o-itRM9cwsCGXHODxPO7oZ3zaKDfJcExcjK-wouUalcEoK9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay wrote: > > > Interesting. It's settled, but it doesn't appear that it's over. > There's still the issue of Six Flags suing Intamin. It is strange > that the park too longer than expected to settle this. It was as if > they were punishing the family for the park's apparent negligence. Turns out that's settled too: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2008/11/24/95754.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Nov 24 11:58:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1738 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 19:58:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 19:58:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 19:58:07 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so903051yxb.55 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:58:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr1270087wfg.199.1227556686936; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:58:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.3.13 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:58:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811241158q2acebdf5yde16bf283b560146@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:58:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFKK settlement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=CZKBhnGP29NjGob6QQJK8R6GyzybEw_-BDk9oNb4oGddLgpIDA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny What I find interesting is this: the lawsuit against the park was found in the Lassiter's favor due to negligence and faulty maintenance. If faulty maintenance is the case, how is the manufacturer to blame, again? If I fail to change my tires when the tread is worn away, can I then sue Honda when I hit a bump and have a blow out? I don't get it. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Bill Childs wrote: > Jay wrote: >> >> >> Interesting. It's settled, but it doesn't appear that it's over. >> There's still the issue of Six Flags suing Intamin. It is strange >> that the park too longer than expected to settle this. It was as if >> they were punishing the family for the park's apparent negligence. > > Turns out that's settled too: > > http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2008/11/24/95754.htm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Nov 24 12:14:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89241 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 20:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 20:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 20:14:35 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k40so1874366rnd.0 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:14:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.213.9 with SMTP id l9mr1275421wfg.12.1227557674484; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:14:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.204.7 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:14:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:14:34 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0811241158q2acebdf5yde16bf283b560146@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0811241158q2acebdf5yde16bf283b560146@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFKK settlement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=td7K4ANq2ZatQj-CU9xSIBm9agkOZrxSzMO23vFdFwr-34YtHiWqQHM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What I find interesting is this: the lawsuit against the park was > found in the Lassiter's favor due to negligence and faulty > maintenance. If faulty maintenance is the case, how is the > manufacturer to blame, again? Because that wasn't the case. The report made by the Dept of Agriculture after the accident blamed a faulty cable and a slow response by the operator. But a "faulty cable" does not necessarily mean the park is at fault for a lack of maintenance. If Intamin designed the ride using a cable that was not adaquate for the stress placed on it by the ride, for instance, that's a design flaw, not a maintenance problem. I haven't followed this case terribly closely, but I do know that the newer Intamin drop rides had sensors to set up the ride if a cable were to snap. The SFKK tower did not have these sensors. I don't know the specifics of whether or not Intamin recommended that parks with old towers upgrade their rides with these sensors or not, but the lack of sensors seems to indicate a design problem to me. Certainly that's not the only issue with this case, which is why I think the blame is shared between SFKK and Intamin (and not necessarily 50-50). Either way, this isn't as simple as pointing the finger in one direction. -Nate > If I fail to change my tires when the tread is worn away, can I then > sue Honda when I hit a bump and have a blow out? > > I don't get it. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Bill Childs wrote: >> Jay wrote: >>> >>> >>> Interesting. It's settled, but it doesn't appear that it's over. >>> There's still the issue of Six Flags suing Intamin. It is strange >>> that the park too longer than expected to settle this. It was as if >>> they were punishing the family for the park's apparent negligence. >> >> Turns out that's settled too: >> >> http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2008/11/24/95754.htm >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Nov 24 17:42:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52904 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 01:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 01:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 01:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-42-183.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.42.183]:44915 helo=[10.0.1.4]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L4mwu-0001Rf-5X for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:42:44 -0500 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1227576091.3323.92646.m45@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:42:40 -0500 References: <1227576091.3323.92646.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 3115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=ECf3XNJWU0sPJG5Kl9JKMZB8et2uE7w5U42k2rtHB6qSfgLMYAKD8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Josh wrote: > What I find interesting is this: the lawsuit against the park was > found in the Lassiter's favor due to negligence and faulty > maintenance. If faulty maintenance is the case, how is the > manufacturer to blame, again? Yeah, Nate explained most of this, but to reiterate, the lawsuit wasn't found in their favor at all; they settled the case. The inspection indicated a variety of factors, including operator error and cable failure, but there was plenty of evidence that could put together at least a plausible case against the manufacturer in terms of recommended maintenance, sensor inclusion (or not), etc. Who knows how much, if anything, Intamin paid, but there was a legitimate place for them in the suit. Bill From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Nov 24 19:02:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49748 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 03:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 03:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f20.google.com) (209.85.221.20) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 03:02:12 -0000 X-Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so2086601qyk.23 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:02:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.44.9 with SMTP id r9mr3107436qar.290.1227582131774; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:02:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-85-172.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm5336058ywf.2.2008.11.24.19.02.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:02:11 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:02:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AclOnytMZ5se1oxgSsGkp2vXzzvNzgACrDVQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: <492b6ab3.0906c00a.3359.fffff71c@mx.google.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.20 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: Digest Number 3115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=5G7u1PQ_WQnVVXWt_TynvU5TddnbItqgVvgSI8TpFeD33Iw X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Yeah, Nate explained most of this, but to reiterate, the lawsuit wasn't found in their favor at all; they settled the case. The inspection indicated a variety of factors, including operator error and cable failure, but there was plenty of evidence that could put together at least a plausible case against the manufacturer in terms of recommended maintenance, sensor inclusion (or not), etc. Who knows how much, if anything, Intamin paid, but there was a legitimate place for them in the suit." Bill- Do you have any specifics on Intamin's culpability? Aside from the sensor issue (and even with that I do not know if it was offered) I did not see anything as a smoking gun aimed at them, especially (IIRC) with SF purchasing the cable from a third party. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 14:14:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bounce-invite@shopittome.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98664 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 22:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 22:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www2.shopittome.com) (72.249.66.47) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 22:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from www2.shopittome.com (host237.rimuhosting.com [127.0.0.1]) by www2.shopittome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0969353204EA for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:14:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from shopittome.com (host237.rimuhosting.com [127.0.0.1]) by www2.shopittome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22B65320533 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:14:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:14:27 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <492c78c3f1949_16a04514b8246161@www2.shopittome.com.tmail> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.249.66.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Josh From: Josh Reply-To: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: A Personal Invitation from Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) for Shop It To Me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=2v7p4LRo-WU9VRBhGBJQXWNJcs7ivQEStD7_yYKG7DQQMcPg4A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) requested that we send this e-mail. If you have any questions about Shop It To Me, please go to www.shopittome.com. I got you a private invitation for Shop it To Me so you can take advantage of good deals on clothing/fashion. Click below to sign up: http://www.shopittome.com/shhsecret?code=C4c6jYOQAAEg9siQlxkd0z30U5N6dXLKNIJOmVKUqSHas_eq -Josh This private invitation will expire in 72 hours. Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) has sent you a private invitation for Shop It To Me. If you do not want to receive these messages, paste the following link into your browser: http://www.shopittome.com/blocked_email/Um9sbGVyQ29hc3RlclRhbGtAeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29t Shop It To Me, Inc. | 2269 Chestnut Street #250 | San Francisco, CA 94123 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 14:17:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77467 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 22:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 22:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 22:17:51 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so122689yxj.85 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:17:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.48.14 with SMTP id v14mr2303637wfv.184.1227651470370; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:17:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.3.13 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:17:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811251417k30c1683bqfea2f3cc138f4fcb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:17:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <492c78c3f1949_16a04514b8246161@www2.shopittome.com.tmail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <492c78c3f1949_16a04514b8246161@www2.shopittome.com.tmail> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A Personal Invitation from Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) for Shop It To Me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=3NDXx0-0UgvuWstGBn8p2Ed6Ozt_aKyuE0VOFHA2a4nrOSgkdA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny ACK! Thing sent to everyone in my address book. Nice! Sorry ' bout that. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Josh wrote: > Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) requested that we send this e-mail. If you have > any questions about Shop It To Me, please go to www.shopittome.com. > > I got you a private invitation for Shop it To Me so you can take advantage > of good deals on clothing/fashion. > > Click below to sign up: > > http://www.shopittome.com/shhsecret?code=C4c6jYOQAAEg9siQlxkd0z30U5N6dXLKNIJOmVKUqSHas_eq > > -Josh > > This private invitation will expire in 72 hours. > > Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) has sent you a private invitation for Shop It To > Me. If you do not want to receive these messages, paste the following link > into your browser: > http://www.shopittome.com/blocked_email/Um9sbGVyQ29hc3RlclRhbGtAeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29t > > Shop It To Me, Inc. | 2269 Chestnut Street #250 | San Francisco, CA 94123 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 15:13:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66800 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 23:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 23:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 23:13:34 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so115863ywt.89 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:13:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.182.17 with SMTP id e17mr3309427ybf.88.1227654813112; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:13:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.130.3 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:13:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0811251513o17494170ga6c3e4e96d0c401e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:13:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0811251417k30c1683bqfea2f3cc138f4fcb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <492c78c3f1949_16a04514b8246161@www2.shopittome.com.tmail> <76e1ec0a0811251417k30c1683bqfea2f3cc138f4fcb@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A Personal Invitation from Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) for Shop It To Me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=rMBZvkjMStgsoLNNaVCIDxRNQtHV9U0J9xAsFEtLCxxLwmo X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I signed up, but I'm not forwarding it out to anyone. Good luck with your 10bux On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Josh W wrote: > ACK! Thing sent to everyone in my address book. Nice! > > Sorry ' bout that. > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Josh wrote: >> Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) requested that we send this e-mail. If you >> have >> any questions about Shop It To Me, please go to www.shopittome.com. >> >> I got you a private invitation for Shop it To Me so you can take advantage >> of good deals on clothing/fashion. >> >> Click below to sign up: >> >> >> http://www.shopittome.com/shhsecret?code=C4c6jYOQAAEg9siQlxkd0z30U5N6dXLKNIJOmVKUqSHas_eq >> >> -Josh >> >> This private invitation will expire in 72 hours. >> >> Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) has sent you a private invitation for Shop It >> To >> Me. If you do not want to receive these messages, paste the following link >> into your browser: >> >> http://www.shopittome.com/blocked_email/Um9sbGVyQ29hc3RlclRhbGtAeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29t >> >> Shop It To Me, Inc. | 2269 Chestnut Street #250 | San Francisco, CA 94123 >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 15:41:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54535 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 23:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 23:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 23:41:22 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so134996ana.8 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:41:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.185.21 with SMTP id i21mr2324024wff.220.1227656481345; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:41:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.3.13 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:41:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811251541s3f4b1e97vfbfafa250c87ee82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:41:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0811251513o17494170ga6c3e4e96d0c401e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <492c78c3f1949_16a04514b8246161@www2.shopittome.com.tmail> <76e1ec0a0811251417k30c1683bqfea2f3cc138f4fcb@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0811251513o17494170ga6c3e4e96d0c401e@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A Personal Invitation from Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) for Shop It To Me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=TgXUHLgdmaHg4PZr4uZO8gG7x0TXV6S4estV62yMrhXPyg_knA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny LOL. Thanks. haha. There's some good deals on Ralph Lauren clothes in my area. :) On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > I signed up, but I'm not forwarding it out to anyone. Good luck with your > 10bux > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Josh W wrote: >> ACK! Thing sent to everyone in my address book. Nice! >> >> Sorry ' bout that. >> >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Josh wrote: >>> Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) requested that we send this e-mail. If you >>> have >>> any questions about Shop It To Me, please go to www.shopittome.com. >>> >>> I got you a private invitation for Shop it To Me so you can take >>> advantage >>> of good deals on clothing/fashion. >>> >>> Click below to sign up: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.shopittome.com/shhsecret?code=C4c6jYOQAAEg9siQlxkd0z30U5N6dXLKNIJOmVKUqSHas_eq >>> >>> -Josh >>> >>> This private invitation will expire in 72 hours. >>> >>> Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) has sent you a private invitation for Shop It >>> To >>> Me. If you do not want to receive these messages, paste the following >>> link >>> into your browser: >>> >>> >>> http://www.shopittome.com/blocked_email/Um9sbGVyQ29hc3RlclRhbGtAeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29t >>> >>> Shop It To Me, Inc. | 2269 Chestnut Street #250 | San Francisco, CA 94123 >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >> > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 25 16:27:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16601 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 00:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 00:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 00:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L58FQ-000847-AA for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <492C97E3.10707@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:27:15 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <492c78c3f1949_16a04514b8246161@www2.shopittome.com.tmail> In-Reply-To: <492c78c3f1949_16a04514b8246161@www2.shopittome.com.tmail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47888f6b5e87b9bb51cf32c67d25c481e1ce12dbd6c7e828931350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A Personal Invitation from Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) for Shop It To Me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ev9tbriRNRFSuU4YubSTRzGnXSawkzb7Nm2i72JpYudsBBk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh wrote: > > > Josh requested > that we send this e-mail. Hey, does this mean I can ban you for being a spammer now? :P Just kidding with you Josh keep on ridin' George (who had a great day at Sea World today, and will be at Magic Kingdom tomorrow. Might try to get TR's next week) From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 16:48:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79395 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 00:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 00:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 00:48:11 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so139065yxn.62 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:48:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.48.3 with SMTP id v3mr2362663wfv.0.1227660490775; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:48:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.3.13 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:48:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0811251648s6dbffde5q4ca58e584ddb5687@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:48:10 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <492C97E3.10707@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <492c78c3f1949_16a04514b8246161@www2.shopittome.com.tmail> <492C97E3.10707@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] A Personal Invitation from Josh (josh.wozny@gmail.com) for Shop It To Me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=aLnealotThozYpIaypMN4RjyRB9t6Bm-masFUj-E4o4YofS8Mg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Fine. See if I call you the next time I'm at WDW. :-P (which will be early Feb. BTW. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:27 PM, george burnash wrote: > Josh wrote: >> >> >> Josh requested > >> that we send this e-mail. > > Hey, does this mean I can ban you for being a spammer now? :P Just > kidding with you Josh > > keep on ridin' > George > (who had a great day at Sea World today, and will be at Magic Kingdom > tomorrow. Might try to get TR's next week) > From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Tue Nov 25 18:57:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51770 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 02:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 02:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 02:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-42-183.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.42.183]:46523 helo=[10.0.1.4]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L5Aaz-0000Pa-JY for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:57:41 -0500 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:57:38 -0500 References: <1227646654.2944.20982.m45@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: SFKK settlement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=4LROz5Q-t7B-oU6K8MbU6S1zpeR1nIfcv61XZ7A7GuKhIMJ9vkf5jA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Adam wrote: > > Do you have any specifics on Intamin's culpability? Aside from the > sensor > issue (and even with that I do not know if it was offered) I did not > see > anything as a smoking gun aimed at them, especially (IIRC) with SF > purchasing the cable from a third party. The allegations against Intamin were, as I recall, mostly about the lack of a sensor in the design and perhaps about insufficient specs for the cable required. Maybe a lack of redundancy too. Nothing like a smoking gun that I saw. B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 08:24:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92747 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 16:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 16:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 16:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 16:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 16:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 16:24:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:24:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.190.81 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: OT: May I have your attention please? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AK_S5LC0FEZEzfLwGYLUrQ56pENDw17O-K71snbErEQhm9OheA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Happy Thanksgiving! Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 17:32:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24053 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 01:32:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 01:32:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 01:32:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48546 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2008 01:32:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NiXBf8wVM1lRsQwTvC51V0TMM1TG5eMunU4JDkoFD1Vv1jTEaRIXmXiEXJFevh0ZO4AYxWTVMUXRgpauNuXLFMxACOUynlfIRjvyySG6Ln8E1_FrLK5L9relvmxb2m06ZUcwo2gd9j2zUhbn75C2hGG55g-- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:32:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:32:18 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1227814917.3055.33280.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <77835.48059.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MISC: OT: May I have your attention please? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=dLHyEeKpAGz-xTPlFHRuLlFTXR9qY53dMqRVA2qmbx1UVtwgttfd X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Happy Thanksgiving to all of you, as well! Our daughter is visiting from Ohio with her boyfriend who works at Cedar Point. He and I have been having fun chatting about coasters and parks in general. They just came from Dollywood where they got to ride Thunderhead (which they liked). The other coasters there closed down due to cold temperatures (40 degrees). Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:43:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97288 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:43:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85649 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 22:43:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wz8xKFkVM1lj6t_YOHQQHGAg2ImbwmvuDfTKHitwUXVThu5drnnSn0C_HA.7B1Kd1MG0UjqzpRhU1oxzcFpH8LBHUKneU6RxT4LXXsjEyO5_s3b6LSJw4VzTNeglpyzb1j11cQ2leFJ0G2nI8pQEDv6iHD0eeIvZOne0x.P.UVojTIA- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:43:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:43:47 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1227894359.4769.90040.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <520921.85312.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Wii comes to Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=lHpf1CMx1d9ZH8ZrDgw-GKBxhDqxXlka4mglHHEVi6wIrrHGRAFz X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme To hold the attention of modern youth, more and more establishments are trying to entice families with the promise of video games. But don't people go on vacations to escape that? Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Dec 01 07:25:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42886 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 15:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 15:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 15:25:00 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so931535and.35 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.173.14 with SMTP id v14mr4531752wfe.274.1228145099084; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:24:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.204.7 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:24:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:24:59 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <520921.85312.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1227894359.4769.90040.m45@yahoogroups.com> <520921.85312.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Wii comes to Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=1qCvDVZvudLMT8DCLsxYFSN23SZ8GC2620dBDVpCXahc-xmm4nvugFI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > To hold the attention of modern youth, more and more establishments are trying to entice families with the promise of video games. But don't people go on vacations to escape that? Kids? Are you kidding? -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 17:11:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74589 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:11:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18587 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 01:11:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FAoQvgEVM1kh9IUdS2bRgYjS.Pq0gHx9lzxoN7vrn0fgk6r.JhcM0MfO.zsQSTImS3NGk.xp.zEm7Cm7QWJp_dXiJOLuDMBXGuQ_9ZTYbFoBOql28ZpYrSr61SFMnUb.VgQlSRWhtzhLa1m1U4JbfKbtpn3QH4Ffms47QMI.5VaMR64- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:11:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:11:53 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1228179990.2649.82539.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <311300.18536.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Wii comes to Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=uKxUW04wsFZ3GqTjssmo9woE2EXfboplgSjzYS9PSmMwPOsilOTl X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Kids? Are you kidding? < That was the thrust of the article. I don't think the current "older" generation cares that much about video games. But that will be changing drastically in the coming decades. Jay From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Dec 03 18:31:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41239 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 02:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 02:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 02:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 02:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 02:31:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:31:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.38.188 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Wrong on that one... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=Vw8mfl0pOBqjfZFEcGwt4Q8z3DSgDjsuJub2RPJg2Gc X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj I just saw a different video for diamondback. This one had a helix so=20 when I said it didn't I was wrong on that one (or at least miss=20 informed). Don't think this helps my opinion on it much. jjloj From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 14:03:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43772 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 22:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 22:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 22:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 22:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 22:03:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:03:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Baiilout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=RKRJqdjd_C2X8IoLKNaBMGULi6NY10bntSuiN8mrZep7KFBOcD2W X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme It's been a bit quiet here, so I thought I'd float my idea of how to spend = the government's=20 absurd $710 billion bailout package. (Or is it $800 now? Or a trillion?) Lots of industries are in trouble. And no industry has been in so much tro= uble for so long=20 as Six Flags. Sure it's had its share of mismanagement, but so hasn't Wall= Street and=20 Detroit (who are getting some government help). In these financially tryin= g times, families=20 need to escape from the harsh realities of capitalism. They need to leave = their cares=20 behind and enter the fantasy world of their nearest amusement park. That w= ould boost=20 public morale and send a goodwill gesture that would directly affect citize= ns, not just=20 corporate fat cats. So I recommend that a paltry $2 billion of the bailout money be used to liq= uidate Six=20 Flags' debt load and another $1 billion should be pumped into the company s= o they can=20 clean restrooms, add shade and incorporate more family rides into their par= ks. Since Six=20 Flags is the largest park operator in the nation, the money spent will have= the largest=20 impact on the nation's anguished families. Who could think about losing th= eir entire=20 retirement savings while riding Superman? Who would be able to fret about = foreclosure=20 while experiencing the true terror of a Vekoma SLC? So write to your congressional and senatorial representatives today and urg= e them to=20 support the one industry that really does make a difference in people's liv= es: Six Flags. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 17:33:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90153 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 01:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2008 01:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 01:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2008 01:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2008 01:33:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:33:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.114 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Baiilout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ppw-F0dTSw98NSbdZeBtJmV014dm9oQe8jmMSTOA8V2QDhOdFg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Um, yeah. Nice idea, but I disagree completely.=20 I disagreed with the bailout of the banking industry, completely. I=20 even voted against every politician in every race that voted for it.=20 (Yes, that includes Obama and McCain.) The auto industry bailout is a little different to me, though. Even=20 though more and more of the jobs are being sent down to Mexico,=20 there's still a huge job base in the field and the losses aren't from=20 shaky speculative deals but rather a series of poor decisions from=20 both management and customers, (Hummers? Honestly.) and competition=20 from outside the country.=20 As for Six Flags getting a Billion dollar bailout? Not gonna happen.=20 They don't pay off enough congressmen or have enough lobbyists to=20 have anything like that pass. You also either were grossly=20 misinformed or were going for hyperbole if you think that the=20 amusement park industry is the only one that makes a difference in=20 people's lives.=20 Anywho. For next year, I'm excited about Diamondback and doing more=20 catching up on stuff that was built while I was away, like X, Montu=20 and Xcellerator. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > It's been a bit quiet here, so I thought I'd float my idea of how=20 to spend the government's=20 > absurd $710 billion bailout package. (Or is it $800 now? Or a=20 trillion?) >=20 > So write to your congressional and senatorial representatives today=20 and urge them to=20 > support the one industry that really does make a difference in=20 people's lives: Six Flags. >=20 > Jay > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Dec 09 05:56:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60908 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 13:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2008 13:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 13:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LA34t-0006Wl-Rw for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:56:43 -0500 Message-ID: <493E7916.901@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:56:38 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478045c91eeed7841c89ae2e8254ff79972e0a823b8664c9312350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Baiilout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5U0W1zY_EWV4soSrB3Ct8yGn3_JNhGnRuSxADyrKVdLqiq4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > > Um, yeah. Nice idea, but I disagree completely. LOL! Hey Chris, has it really been that long since you've seen satire? :P PErsonally Jay, I really liked it, though you could have added Cedar Fair in as well, even if they're not in as much need as Six Flags. :) keep on ridin' George (hey, maybe the government would be a good buyer for the Busch parks as well!) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 15:27:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19583 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 23:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2008 23:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 23:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2008 23:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2008 23:27:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:27:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <493E7916.901@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.114 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Baiilout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=kfRiftYj5zXYqoUNncMNAKlYbRm-Ve96nI5rClLtux0C4p8Qnw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I musta goofed, because I thought I put something in there about=20 hoping it was a joke... I see now that I forgot that bit.=20 Oops. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > Chris wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > Um, yeah. Nice idea, but I disagree completely. >=20 > LOL! Hey Chris, has it really been that long since you've seen=20 satire? :P >=20 > PErsonally Jay, I really liked it, though you could have added=20 Cedar=20 > Fair in as well, even if they're not in as much need as Six=20 Flags. :) >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > (hey, maybe the government would be a good buyer for the Busch=20 parks as=20 > well!) > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 17:19:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98309 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 01:19:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 01:19:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 01:19:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27577 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 01:19:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PR6p.yEVM1m5f9y.6jp7e8A2djfPyAQvGsA6k6GXGzZbrmcrhPPwP.g8fQdmrHxtUnlqsJQ83KPrc8HO3Wg.3HzpiAYt6jlXKWtXSfkRk5_eZa1cd9IBRcCj6gIomypQnjAfPzOOzQmZi_9.BS80Vet47Q-- X-Received: from [72.70.254.41] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:19:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:19:44 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <152486.27384.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MISC: Bailout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=11SJMPMWt9FQnA-JEUDkS-ZePGQQ-5MVrZjeGaPrLYtf0LrDhzgh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > (hey, maybe the government would be a good buyer for the Busch parks as well!) < Yeah, they might as well. At the rate they're going, the government will not only be the country's largest employer, but the country's largest shareholder as well. Might as well just socialize everything and be done with it. Maybe Bechtel (who did such a spectacular job with Boston's Big Dig) could take over operations of all the nation's amusement parks, including carnies. They could introduce a thrilling simulator ride sort of like Backdraft, but instead you're stuck in a tunnel and a giant piece of concrete falls on your head. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 17:13:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1580 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 01:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 01:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 01:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 01:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 01:13:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:13:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Ricky Summersett X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=v7K5CyvodyUU4675y_umO2ic0pXigGjcu8k6djZPHH2JMwyYIpMW X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Is anyone familiar with Ricky Summersett? He created the coaster video "Go= ne But Not=20 Forgotten" back in 2001. Several people (including myself) have been tryin= g to locate him=20 but have come up dry. I guess his last known whereabouts was Texas.=20=20 Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Dec 14 11:58:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39737 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 19:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 19:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 19:58:48 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so956266yxi.74 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.38.11 with SMTP id q11mr4181535ybj.107.1229284728282; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.139.10 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0812141158s6457c6cdwbdc16af12643d7f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:58:48 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Six Flags Pass Discount X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=fn8gnqIwEKpfHw4UVWk-_DbmBuGVVlxxLMTTefJ2HFwEfTc X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska http://www.sixflags.com/national/index.aspx If anyone was planning to get a Six Flags season pass, now is the time to do it. I took advantage of this deal around the same time last year as well, and it does save you some money. Back in 2007 I made the unbelievably smart decision to get Erin a pass from SFKK on our Holiwood Nights road trip, and every year since with this deal I've been able to get her pass for under 40 bucks. Right now, for SFKK passes are only 34.99 (plus 10 shipping). And since it's a renewal pass we don't have to go there to activate it. It''s going to be a sad day for my wallet when that park finally goes out of business. SFNE passes are $51 for renewal, and then the parking pass is another $50 on the top of that. I went for the parking anyway, because if they're charging that much for the season parking, I'm guessing the one day parking price went up a little bit as well (will this be the year they break the $20 mark?) This sale is scheduled to end tomorrow. I don't know if that means at the end of the day tomorrow or what, but it was called a weekend sale, so be careful if you're looking to take advantage of this. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Dec 14 15:05:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56373 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 23:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 23:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 23:05:40 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so959610yxj.5 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:05:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.118.19 with SMTP id q19mr3423963agc.21.1229295939697; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:05:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.103.14 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:05:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0812141505g42580c72i7e921f8a0dcb9663@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:05:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Ricky Summersett X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=7oavLl-nYvvUdUqISWz2o5b1_9P7F5p2niAuerwzQf3Pw5FYKg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Not trying to be a jerk here, but does anyone else see the irony in this? The creator is "gone but not forgotten" is now, well... on people's minds, but nowhere to be found. :-D Josh On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM, jay_ducharme wrote: > Is anyone familiar with Ricky Summersett? He created the coaster video "Gone > But Not > Forgotten" back in 2001. Several people (including myself) have been trying > to locate him > but have come up dry. I guess his last known whereabouts was Texas. > > Jay > > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Dec 14 22:42:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65926 invoked by uid 7800); 15 Dec 2008 06:42:01 -0000 Date: 15 Dec 2008 06:42:01 -0000 Message-ID: <1229323321.13.65923.m56@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: 118th International Association of Fairs and Expositions Annual Convention, 12/15/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=hjILhd8553tBc8ytlqiWkjNIUIAJGVQ1229323319-1" --YCalReminder=hjILhd8553tBc8ytlqiWkjNIUIAJGVQ1229323319-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=hjILhd8553tBc8ytlqiWkjNIUIAJGVQ1229323319-1-- From lau228@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 13:42:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lau228@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82477 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 21:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 21:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 21:42:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74809 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 21:42:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a.In4dwVM1lzlnVI5wJ0vKCDOY9Nrdvn6UVtJ1f8z7VoxMYdit_sWPWK7llhdCqb1VoAvtvi8wTP8cW_4ej3IgOY2AITJW0SjQYDswkjp9bAZFGtS985iCZeEiUXMVufDqUVX9lF18ie_7FMtUm7sdzyUMIZBuw6QvnLdv_ghH.QtgcqfPAySOLAvO5CaHHCFAlKQ7JoI.bH_Ee6zoF8WumJfsFMtAuey3LL8b45hIiRdAQvGg-- X-Received: from [71.61.155.243] by web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:42:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:42:09 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <412267.73576.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Lori Uhing Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Ricky Summersett X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129583004; y=Q7lCyBmu5cuqNWu9gCaq4MwvfT98kSskrCDensmbjfey X-Yahoo-Profile: lau228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might be able to find him on rec.roller-coaster on Google Groups. I know he lurks around there. ________________________________ From: jay_ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:13:29 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Ricky Summersett Is anyone familiar with Ricky Summersett? He created the coaster video "Gone But Not Forgotten" back in 2001. Several people (including myself) have been trying to locate him but have come up dry. I guess his last known whereabouts was Texas. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 18:50:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3866 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 02:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2008 02:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 02:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 02:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 02:50:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:49:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Cover for World's Greatest Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=cZU7gDBAcv591YgPKyYUIH_FrcSIasJfs122pfbPl374mxptg5H8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme It has a 500-foot lift and is located in that mecca of frivolity, Iran.... From The Onion: Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Dec 15 22:41:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94665 invoked by uid 7800); 16 Dec 2008 06:41:54 -0000 Date: 16 Dec 2008 06:41:54 -0000 Message-ID: <1229409714.10.94664.m54@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: 118th International Association of Fairs and Expositions Annual Convention, 12/16/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=ejILhd8553tBc8ytlqiWkjNYUIAJBKE1229409712-1" --YCalReminder=ejILhd8553tBc8ytlqiWkjNYUIAJBKE1229409712-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:41 AM, wrote: > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > Title: 118th International Association of Fairs and Expositions Annual > Convention > > Date: Tuesday December 16, 2008 > Time: All Day > Repeats: This event repeats every day until Thursday December 18, 2008. > Location: Las Vegas, NV > Notes: 118th International Association of Fairs and Expositions Annual > Convention is to be held at the The Paris Hotel, in Las Vegas, from December > 15-18, 2008. > > For more information: > http://www.fairsandexpos.com/events/convention/2008PrelimProgram.pdf > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder options > Copyright (c) 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | > Privacy Policy From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 10:51:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3673 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 18:51:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2008 18:51:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 18:51:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 18:51:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.112] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 18:51:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:51:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.138.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cover for World's Greatest Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=9P07J6Dz7z8n-YZbD17Tau0hesrVkXd-ZpcMV3plTyFxgrNTe4yp X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > It has a 500-foot lift and is located in that mecca of frivolity,=20 Iran.... >=20 > From The Onion: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jay > This is the second funniest piece the Onion has done in recent years=20 on the subject of coasters and parks, topped only by Pope Benedict's=20 visit to Six Flags. If anyone can find a link to that, please post=20 it. I have a custom made t-shirt featuring the photo from that=20 article. it features the Pontiff on a coaster, and my wording=20 says "COASTER RIDING IS A RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE" I wouldn't mind a=20 shirt with this coaster on it..Ali Baba and the 40 Loops...Veeerrrry=20 clever, Onion folks. Mike From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Dec 16 22:41:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10696 invoked by uid 7800); 17 Dec 2008 06:41:53 -0000 Date: 17 Dec 2008 06:41:53 -0000 Message-ID: <1229496113.10.10695.m56@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: 118th International Association of Fairs and Expositions Annual Convention, 12/17/2008, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=DjILhd8553tBc8ytlqiWkjNVUIAJZHT1229496111-1" --YCalReminder=DjILhd8553tBc8ytlqiWkjNVUIAJZHT1229496111-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=XjILhd8553tBc8ytlqiWkjNOUIAJQVQ1229582507-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 15:38:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83425 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 23:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 23:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 23:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 23:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 23:38:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:38:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Sliding home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=riHMIRuBBJ-9tBUzImZ4b9FMHV0xbokJ8mjXvthuE6hYrjfUoSt3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's a wacky commercial for the U.K.'s Barclaycard. I'm sure many of us = would have like to=20 have starred in it: There's also an interesting related feature on the making of the commercial= . Jay From zaldarff@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 16:06:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78492 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2008 00:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2008 00:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2008 00:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2008 00:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2008 00:06:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:06:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.233.138.147 From: "zaldarff" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cover for World's Greatest Roller Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=eUzyqRqG560AKxnd3BT-RmDd9kiETCqtaBm5NCAnOtcexyo X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff Speaking as a "coaster Shaman I would have to agree with the Pontiff=20 about riding as being a relious experience, however since I've had my=20 fill of religon Iv'e decided that riding is more spiritual then=20 religious. As for Alli Baba and the 40 loops, all I can say is PLEASE DON'T TRIM=20 ME DOWN!!! May your loops be large and smooth. Bill -- - In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 > wrote: > > > > It has a 500-foot lift and is located in that mecca of frivolity,=20 > Iran.... > >=20 > > From The Onion: > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > > Jay > > > This is the second funniest piece the Onion has done in recent=20 years=20 > on the subject of coasters and parks, topped only by Pope=20 Benedict's=20 > visit to Six Flags. If anyone can find a link to that, please post=20 > it. I have a custom made t-shirt featuring the photo from that=20 > article. it features the Pontiff on a coaster, and my wording=20 > says "COASTER RIDING IS A RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE" I wouldn't mind a=20 > shirt with this coaster on it..Ali Baba and the 40=20 Loops...Veeerrrry=20 > clever, Onion folks. >=20 > Mike > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Dec 20 22:50:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33948 invoked by uid 7800); 21 Dec 2008 06:50:35 -0000 Date: 21 Dec 2008 06:50:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1229842235.10.33942.m49@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=TVPqKRHb4tKOTC1229842234-1" --YCalReminder=TVPqKRHb4tKOTC1229842234-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=TVPqKRHb4tKOTC1229842234-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 14:35:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41713 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 22:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 22:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 22:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 22:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 22:35:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:35:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Q_T_lVfa1PDiU2Fk5GuT1Z7d7BAVAOoPo2ld8ObRHhxDqg5bRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 The results are out, and there's a something of a surprise in the=20 results this year. http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm Chris From lance@screamscape.com Mon Dec 22 22:30:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82818 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 06:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 06:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 06:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C723C5CF0 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:30:27 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 X-Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm22.4946a960.1852ea for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:30:27 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJUIWDmSlzjwIAAAAB,0dcc93fc9eca6087cac91a516506ec6e Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:30:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=wB_e1smfiCbwWU4aj98-9l2Z2X_W0ErJih-oeYFhedYTh6t3JnMG-x4PIg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance While I love reading the results of Mitch's polls every year, I always believe that the cap to qualify any given ride should be a bit higher. Case in point, the #1 coaster this year was only riden by 2.2% of the people who voted... While I know the point of this poll is to get away from the popularity contest style results of a normal poll, I've always felt that to qualify a ride should have been ridden by at least 5-10% of the voters to prevent odd or biased results caused by the random travels of whatever coaster tours take place to parks that are normally off the grid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 The results are out, and there's a something of a surprise in the results this year. http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm Chris From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Dec 22 22:50:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54415 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Dec 2008 06:50:33 -0000 Date: 23 Dec 2008 06:50:33 -0000 Message-ID: <1230015033.9.54414.m54@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=l1F7zTOeJetrFRaZMK1230015031-1" --YCalReminder=l1F7zTOeJetrFRaZMK1230015031-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=l1F7zTOeJetrFRaZMK1230015031-1-- From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Dec 23 05:28:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19444 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 13:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 13:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 13:28:40 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so898818yxb.59 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:28:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.44.15 with SMTP id w15mr10162491ybj.27.1230038888461; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:28:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.139.10 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:28:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:28:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=TkChwIhH2BOzO4dlFapo-vblyG7oxAaEbWuHljxzjD0D_tY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I agree with you to an extent, but I followed the construction of T Express from the beginning, and based off of the videos that I saw, this ride looks like an improved el toro. a lot of peope like the intamin style of wood better than the clasic stuff, and thats fine. It seems like that is the case for the more outspoken at TPR, who went to everland on their asia trip. I was expecting this outcome, and I dont think its unfair. If anything, it will make more (wealthy) enthusiasts head out to korea to ride it. If I had to guess, T Express would become my new second favorite wood right behind voyage and right before El Toro. On 12/23/08, Lance wrote: > While I love reading the results of Mitch's polls every year, I always > believe that the cap to qualify any given ride should be a bit higher. > Case in point, the #1 coaster this year was only riden by 2.2% of the people > who voted... > While I know the point of this poll is to get away from the popularity > contest style results of a normal poll, I've always felt that to qualify a > ride should have been ridden by at least 5-10% of the voters to prevent odd > or biased results caused by the random travels of whatever coaster tours > take place to parks that are normally off the grid. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:35 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 > > > The results are out, and there's a something of a surprise in the > results this year. > > http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm > > Chris > > > From lance@screamscape.com Tue Dec 23 07:00:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53007 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 15:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 15:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0108.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 15:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0108.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA50C389A9 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:00:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 X-Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm04.4946a8c6.31b028 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:00:22 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJUP0G+H0+AAIAAAAB,6fcade46f1e9115613e91e671fd0ac17 Message-ID: To: References: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:00:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=9Joh6HLCyT2xg_o97VGR01k0gwmITRthTsOYmDrI3y9K4UHk09tGDGxtcw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I've seen the videos too and I agree that T-Express does look like a top contender in this case, but my general thought was that still with only 2.2% of the voters having been on it, perhaps it may have been best to show off where it would fit in the listing, but just not grant it full status due to the low number of riders. I know there is a number needed to qualify in Mitch's poll, but I think it only requires 10 or less votes, while I was thinking it should need at least 5% of however many votes came in to prevent a group from stacking any ride unfairly if they chose to do so, which would be easy for any ride like this one that is normally off the beaten path. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cowan" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 >I agree with you to an extent, but I followed the construction of T > Express from the beginning, and based off of the videos that I saw, > this ride looks like an improved el toro. a lot of peope like the > intamin style of wood better than the clasic stuff, and thats fine. > It seems like that is the case for the more outspoken at TPR, who went > to everland on their asia trip. I was expecting this outcome, and I > dont think its unfair. If anything, it will make more (wealthy) > enthusiasts head out to korea to ride it. If I had to guess, T > Express would become my new second favorite wood right behind voyage > and right before El Toro. > > On 12/23/08, Lance wrote: >> While I love reading the results of Mitch's polls every year, I always >> believe that the cap to qualify any given ride should be a bit higher. >> Case in point, the #1 coaster this year was only riden by 2.2% of the >> people >> who voted... >> While I know the point of this poll is to get away from the popularity >> contest style results of a normal poll, I've always felt that to qualify >> a >> ride should have been ridden by at least 5-10% of the voters to prevent >> odd >> or biased results caused by the random travels of whatever coaster tours >> take place to parks that are normally off the grid. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:35 PM >> Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 >> >> >> The results are out, and there's a something of a surprise in the >> results this year. >> >> http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm >> >> Chris >> >> >> > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Dec 23 07:29:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58556 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 15:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 15:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 15:29:20 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k32so1933448rnd.7 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.158.17 with SMTP id g17mr3206810wfe.120.1230046160006; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.172.4 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:29:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:29:19 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=iRSJfYzBFeUhUyUzL6dNi_kBNaWJZK8EYjY_uYH7StEJoEz2EkA_yh0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > While I love reading the results of Mitch's polls every year, I always > > believe that the cap to qualify any given ride should be a bit higher. > > Case in point, the #1 coaster this year was only riden by 2.2% of the people > > who voted... I'm not sure what the solution is, but the poll in general does seem to favor rides built overseas. I have no doubt that there are some very excellent rides outside of the US, but when 50% of the top ten rides in an American poll are rides outside of the country, I think there's perhaps something else going on here. It isn't anything new (Tonnerre de Zeus was #1 on the poll for years and years), but new rides always seem to drop in rankings with more riders. In recent years, the TPR crew has had a disproportionate say in which rides top the poll because they've been getting to these out-of-the-way places. I'd probably favor raising the ridership cap for rides to qualify in the poll, but I know Mitch has always feared excluding foreign rides for this reason. In any case, the poll still works to get a general idea of what people think of certain rides and to follow popularity trends, but I agree that it falls apart a bit when you look at it number by number. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Tue Dec 23 07:44:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2922 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 15:44:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 15:44:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0104.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 15:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0104.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B232671D1 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:44:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 X-Received: by dm24.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id dm24.4946a96b.1bb428 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:44:09 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJUQdJiIOwmQIAAAAB,3ac618d66b12ce3db2c1b1b99f0b7499 Message-ID: To: References: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:44:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=eysigU6oIjkK4pAfX98ysg5SzKgMFrv-lwoIe7cTg73aPV7SOtfLMxqqPg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Kohlrusch" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 > I'm not sure what the solution is, but the poll in general does seem > to favor rides built overseas. I have no doubt that there are some > very excellent rides outside of the US, but when 50% of the top ten > rides in an American poll are rides outside of the country, I think > there's perhaps something else going on here. It isn't anything new > (Tonnerre de Zeus was #1 on the poll for years and years), but new > rides always seem to drop in rankings with more riders. In recent > years, the TPR crew has had a disproportionate say in which rides top > the poll because they've been getting to these out-of-the-way places. > > I'd probably favor raising the ridership cap for rides to qualify in > the poll, but I know Mitch has always feared excluding foreign rides > for this reason. In any case, the poll still works to get a general > idea of what people think of certain rides and to follow popularity > trends, but I agree that it falls apart a bit when you look at it > number by number. A good case here may be the inclusion of Eagle's Fortress, an Arrow Suspended at the #2 steel spot just below Superman: ROS at SFNE. I have no idea if this is a good ride or not, but as this is another result of the TPR trip to the same park as T-Express, it does look like the poll can easily be swayed in favor of any out of the way ride hit by a tour group that hasn't been riden by too many other voters. In the case of Eagle's Fortress, I've got to wonder if it may have even been done on purpose as no other Suspended coaster has ever even hit the Top 10 before now as far as I can recall... possibly not even the Top 50 (though there is less history behind the steel poll than the wood poll to back this up). From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Dec 23 07:52:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80638 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 15:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 15:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 15:52:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28280 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 15:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 Dec 2008 15:52:55 -0000 Message-ID: <495108FB.80503@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:51:23 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=cZ_ji6K8LV37lu5QiOkdcShrvyEOKHsQmP_suVoT-3Z9h2Gp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, I have no reason to suspect that Eagle's Fortress isn't great, simply because I trust the opinion of several people who've ridden it. Besides, why would anyone go out of their way to intentionally rig a coaster poll? Seems like a completely pointless exercise. Cameron. Lance wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nate Kohlrusch" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 >> I'm not sure what the solution is, but the poll in general does seem >> to favor rides built overseas. I have no doubt that there are some >> very excellent rides outside of the US, but when 50% of the top ten >> rides in an American poll are rides outside of the country, I think >> there's perhaps something else going on here. It isn't anything new >> (Tonnerre de Zeus was #1 on the poll for years and years), but new >> rides always seem to drop in rankings with more riders. In recent >> years, the TPR crew has had a disproportionate say in which rides top >> the poll because they've been getting to these out-of-the-way places. >> >> I'd probably favor raising the ridership cap for rides to qualify in >> the poll, but I know Mitch has always feared excluding foreign rides >> for this reason. In any case, the poll still works to get a general >> idea of what people think of certain rides and to follow popularity >> trends, but I agree that it falls apart a bit when you look at it >> number by number. > > > A good case here may be the inclusion of Eagle's Fortress, an Arrow > Suspended at the #2 steel spot just below > Superman: ROS at SFNE. I have no idea if this is a good ride or not, but as > this is another result of the TPR trip > to the same park as T-Express, it does look like the poll can easily be > swayed in favor of any out of the way ride > hit by a tour group that hasn't been riden by too many other voters. In the > case of Eagle's Fortress, I've got to > wonder if it may have even been done on purpose as no other Suspended > coaster has ever even hit the Top 10 > before now as far as I can recall... possibly not even the Top 50 (though > there is less history behind the steel poll > than the wood poll to back this up). > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Dec 23 07:56:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25614 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 15:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 15:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 15:56:22 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so801466ywe.67 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.226.10 with SMTP id y10mr3220579wfg.3.1230047781579; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.172.4 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:56:21 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=JwuF7pd_szG6NAFkSWrN6vVRoVsLlr_prd9AgvZ7Z2uUIMXjGBrnyEw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > A good case here may be the inclusion of Eagle's Fortress, an Arrow > Suspended at the #2 steel spot just below > Superman: ROS at SFNE. I have no idea if this is a good ride or not, but as > this is another result of the TPR trip > to the same park as T-Express, it does look like the poll can easily be > swayed in favor of any out of the way ride > hit by a tour group that hasn't been riden by too many other voters. Agreed, especially when the group in question has been responsible for other rides topping the poll until others get a chance to experience the ride (*cough*Balder*cough*). This certainly isn't the first time TPR has been accused of purposely favoring a ride that others find it difficult to get to and thus significantly affecting the outcome of the poll. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Dec 23 08:00:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23070 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 16:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 16:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 16:00:55 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so844997ywr.30 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:00:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr3215868wfg.118.1230048054493; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:00:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.172.4 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:00:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:00:54 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <495108FB.80503@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> <495108FB.80503@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ZMUmqaHLX_uTWzTaHz79Q-ad1rMT_Dvf6tpFvoh_51nWGAbGA2Q7kis X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have no reason to suspect that Eagle's Fortress isn't great, simply > because I trust the opinion of several people who've ridden it. Besides, > why would anyone go out of their way to intentionally rig a coaster > poll? Seems like a completely pointless exercise. Oh, that's easy. People favor out-of-the-way rides because (a) they're unique, (b) they haven't heard opinions of them before, (c) they know they're one of the few to have ridden it, (d) they're having the time of their lives at a foreign park they paid a lot of money and went far out of their way to visit. It's an emotional thing. Enthusiasts have ALWAYS favorited out-of-the-way coasters at less-visited parks. Hell, if I was in Korea, I bet I'd be enjoying everything I rode too. I know I tend to enjoy rides and parks I visit less often than those I visit all the time. There's no doubt in my mind that Eagle's Fortress is a great ride. I just thing #2 is probably a bit generous. -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Dec 23 08:57:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27980 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 16:57:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 16:57:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f13.google.com) (209.85.217.13) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 16:57:36 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so2256548gxk.13 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:57:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.156.9 with SMTP id d9mr9280188ybe.101.1230051456236; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:57:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.139.10 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:57:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0812230857w4ffcbdacw4d8542e5c5748fbf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:57:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0812230528o330b102cl4346bd7cff2a2a7a@mail.gmail.com> <495108FB.80503@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=5-lUIfLs0ZwZySMTCtsTyAAw1a5bfPfj8fXiDqvs1uFHHVM X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska On eagles fortress: i really like arrow suspendeds, but am consistently disapointed by just about every one Ive ridden. I think cock deck was my favorite ride at KI when i went in 2007, but thar park was very disapointing as a whole. Anyway, while I do think Eagles Fortress looks like a great ride, I highly doubt that that it would break my top 3, TOP 5 maybe, but my opinions of coaster are not completly in line with the majority. And about the out of the way placed coasters, I think nate really hit it. and also add that when youre in the land of togo death machines and powered kiddie rides and then you get something unexpected like a good arrow suspended and an awesome intamin prefab, it's going to be that much better. I woulden't blame the TPR crew of any misleading ballots or artificially inflating coasters. If anything, theyre guilty of being easily swayed by their lead (seriously, balder?). I think the 5 % to get into the top ten is a really great suggestion. top ten should really express the overall voice of the community instead of those who can afford a 3000 trip to asia. Eleitism is a part of our community just like it is in any other, and that is fine, its human nature to go for bragging rights (otherwise who would ride kiddie coasters without having kids?) But I think this top ten list should go beyond that. Especially since so much of it has to do with head to head face offs. mike started riding kiddie coasters and is still 8 or so shy of 200 On 12/23/08, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > I have no reason to suspect that Eagle's Fortress isn't great, simply >> because I trust the opinion of several people who've ridden it. Besides, >> why would anyone go out of their way to intentionally rig a coaster >> poll? Seems like a completely pointless exercise. > > Oh, that's easy. People favor out-of-the-way rides because (a) they're > unique, (b) they haven't heard opinions of them before, (c) they know > they're one of the few to have ridden it, (d) they're having the time of > their lives at a foreign park they paid a lot of money and went far out of > their way to visit. It's an emotional thing. Enthusiasts have ALWAYS > favorited out-of-the-way coasters at less-visited parks. Hell, if I was > in Korea, I bet I'd be enjoying everything I rode too. I know I tend to > enjoy rides and parks I visit less often than those I visit all the time. > > There's no doubt in my mind that Eagle's Fortress is a great ride. I just > thing #2 is probably a bit generous. > > -Nate > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 16:47:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76900 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 00:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 00:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 00:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 00:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 00:47:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:47:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495108FB.80503@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=W6dIoK6BTaFFTVYSJF-zNxlIZHcSDNbw0dCreuzyVREX3nhhaw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > Hey, >=20 > I have no reason to suspect that Eagle's Fortress isn't great, simply=20 > because I trust the opinion of several people who've ridden it.=20 Besides,=20 > why would anyone go out of their way to intentionally rig a coaster=20 > poll? Seems like a completely pointless exercise. >=20 > Cameron. It may be a great coaster, but the advertising value to anyone who runs=20 a company that sells trips to roller coaster locations could be pretty=20 impressive. (cough, golden tickets, cough) That might be reason enough=20 for someone to want to make that kind of effort.=20 I reviewed each and every single ballot before Mitch ran the numbers,=20 and I wouldn't be able to say 100% whether there was collusion or not=20 to get T-Express and Eagle's Fortress to rank that highly. The problem=20 is that there's a perception that this could have occured.=20 I believe in Mitch's system, and that it works, I do also believe that=20 it might need a little tweaking to avoid this kind of negative=20 attention.=20 Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 18:34:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30140 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 02:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 02:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 02:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 02:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 02:34:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:34:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Coaster Cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=nUwKePJvDEJdxFDG4S1EuIf2mfSjQtMdpOJ8VJpMWQIqh_n-Pk_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I just saw this on Absolutely Reliable. This is either a really poor joke = or a really bad business=20 decision: Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Dec 23 18:51:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99397 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 02:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 02:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 02:51:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19395 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 02:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 24 Dec 2008 02:51:26 -0000 Message-Id: <395CC6DD-E050-41D5-A38E-3273626EE718@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:51:16 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fIAD0QTzaoj8A9KZcMeFCx7-7m72_ByCe1l0dD-TaTbMjFY7 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Chris, > It may be a great coaster, but the advertising value to anyone who > runs > a company that sells trips to roller coaster locations could be pretty > impressive. (cough, golden tickets, cough) But all the attention is being placed on just a few parks, so it's really telling people what they can hit on their own .. without the expensive trips. I just don't see how intentionally rigging the results can help TPR. Now the Golden Tickets on the other hand is probably completely bought .. I agree with you on that. Personally I like Mitch's poll from the nerd standpoint of how it works, I put little value on its results. However I do always try and fill in ballots - sadly I had no time this year :( Cameron. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 21:42:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79416 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 05:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 05:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 05:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 05:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 05:42:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:42:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <395CC6DD-E050-41D5-A38E-3273626EE718@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=yO5QWV7GCb6TdzuY7CDb3mnNUdQ_goR_z9etD8KUc6_kfoQHdw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well his own posts at TPR kind of back up what I suggested. (The=20 advertising value, not that they rigged the poll.) It was pretty=20 clear to me when he said how many of the top ten coasters were=20 included in TPR trips this year. It sounds like he's suggesting that=20 if you want to ride the best coasters in the world, people should be=20 doing TPR trips...=20 Hey, the guy's trying to run a business, and anything to get an edge,=20 right? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > Hey Chris, >=20 > > It may be a great coaster, but the advertising value to anyone=20 who=20=20 > > runs > > a company that sells trips to roller coaster locations could be=20 pretty > > impressive. (cough, golden tickets, cough) >=20 > But all the attention is being placed on just a few parks, so it's=20=20 > really telling people what they can hit on their own .. without=20 the=20=20 > expensive trips. I just don't see how intentionally rigging the=20=20 > results can help TPR. Now the Golden Tickets on the other hand is=20=20 > probably completely bought .. I agree with you on that. >=20 > Personally I like Mitch's poll from the nerd standpoint of how it=20=20 > works, I put little value on its results. However I do always try=20 and=20=20 > fill in ballots - sadly I had no time this year :( >=20 > Cameron. > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 21:45:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72185 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 05:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 05:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 05:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 05:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 05:45:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:45:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Coaster Cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=jXODcoGDfpCe3CTWB3fp_AXdSWN3KtV9F4a9JzOpAfD31ar1KA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > I just saw this on Absolutely Reliable. This is either a really poor=20 joke or a really bad business=20 > decision: >=20 > >=20 > Jay > That's real, Jay. (Well, Lance thinks it is.) That address is less than=20 30 miles from SFNE.=20 Hmmm... That's your neck of the woods if I recall correctly, maybe you=20 could head out there, get a haircut, and do a TR for us? Chris ;) From lance@screamscape.com Wed Dec 24 06:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74938 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 14:23:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 14:23:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0107.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 14:23:02 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0107.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A19EB2D526 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:23:02 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 X-Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm101.4946a8ca.30999e for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:23:02 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJUkXG85YNSgIAAAAB,4ba52d1287889c94501972501393c7b1 Message-ID: <89918E458B6A4CCDBC4D1657AC7333F1@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:23:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Coaster Cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Ry4dwtw1xhE8bA_enITWB2rfWmgZyTwSNAAMA65Re-zWKH6DLhVTdpzWow X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance It's the real deal... search the trademark database and you'll see Six Flags bought the name and everything. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:45 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Coaster Cuts --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" wrote: > > I just saw this on Absolutely Reliable. This is either a really poor joke or a really bad business > decision: > > > > Jay > That's real, Jay. (Well, Lance thinks it is.) That address is less than 30 miles from SFNE. Hmmm... That's your neck of the woods if I recall correctly, maybe you could head out there, get a haircut, and do a TR for us? Chris ;) From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Dec 24 12:39:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70024 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 20:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 20:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 20:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 20:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 20:39:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:39:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0812230857w4ffcbdacw4d8542e5c5748fbf@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.38.188 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=V6ha2-XrxqzDNgqmaQdpjx3jO4Ffh4Ab-YMgfSznNZc X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan"=20 wrote: > On eagles fortress: i really like arrow suspendeds, but am > consistently disapointed by just about every one Ive ridden. I=20 think > cock deck was my favorite ride at KI when i went in 2007, but thar > park was very disapointing as a whole. Anyway, while I do think > Eagles Fortress looks like a great ride, I highly doubt that that it > would break my top 3, TOP 5 maybe, but my opinions of coaster are=20 not > completly in line with the majority. I would be interested at to what you didn't like about Kings Island? From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Dec 24 13:35:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60648 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 21:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 21:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 21:35:00 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so1105181ywb.11 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:34:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.112.4 with SMTP id p4mr11809622ybm.82.1230154499707; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:34:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.139.10 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:34:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0812241334j41b8ac62o697a1cb405ba1ba9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:34:59 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0812230857w4ffcbdacw4d8542e5c5748fbf@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Mitch's Wood Coaster Poll 2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=rv1lNiZ_NBMYgvnZk8grsBAnacxfqc1dqxMhyw9InUpJWYs X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Well there were a lot of things. I feel like it was a park I would have really enjoyed maybe 10 years ago but now it just seemed dumpy. This is spring 2007 by the way. I went in 04 (or was it 03, josh? jeremy?, any ideas?) but that was a rush through. My 07 visit was a nice full day at the tail end of a midwest coaster road trip. There were really large walkways without much shade. It was boiling out for early june, so more trees would have really been nice. Especially near IJ, which I liked a lot better at KD in terms of placement and aesthrtics. The racer was crappy, with most airtime seeming to come from well placed potholes. It wasnt bad or painful, it was just a big letdown. I didnt like the beast, but the area it was in was nice. tomb raider was really cool looking but ran a terrible cycle. SOB was closed for remodeling, firehawk wasnt done yet (but its area looked like crap). The arrow megalooper was nice and not very painful. I am a fan of the FoFs, I liked invertigo. but all of those coasters ive been on before in other places, with anaconda as a better version of whatever its called at ki. I did really like the mine train. It was a great mix of fun, confusion, and irony (what was that theme) and it had a great placement in the park. I cant think of a mine train I enjoyed more, including the disney one. top cock pit was a blast and came really close to what i would really like to see in a suspended coaster. But the park seemed really bland, really mass produced. Most of the coasters being clones added to this, as did the crappy theeming everywhere. The wild thornberrys log flume? the fairly odd coaster? the avatar disko? the only one that even kindof worked was reptar. But overall, the park as a whole, on a sweltering but empty weekday in june, seemed more soulless than dorney. and that stunk because I was really looking forward to my first real visit there. On 12/24/08, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > wrote: > >> On eagles fortress: i really like arrow suspendeds, but am >> consistently disapointed by just about every one Ive ridden. I > think >> cock deck was my favorite ride at KI when i went in 2007, but thar >> park was very disapointing as a whole. Anyway, while I do think >> Eagles Fortress looks like a great ride, I highly doubt that that it >> would break my top 3, TOP 5 maybe, but my opinions of coaster are > not >> completly in line with the majority. > > > > I would be interested at to what you didn't like about Kings Island? > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 14:18:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58954 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 22:18:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:18:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89918E458B6A4CCDBC4D1657AC7333F1@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 32.165.39.246 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Coaster Cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=pifZlTaYOXEOhcCTEXwHvQUsf1MHxG5RrXhb_W1mO8ZZt55_5uyV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > maybe you could head out there, get a haircut, and do a TR for us? < LOL! Evidently, you don't know what I look like, Chris. :-) I'd definitely make a trip to see the place. I can't imagine it will last l= ong. Will the barber=20 chair be a Robocoaster? Will they specialize in roller coaster-shaped Moha= wks? I just=20 don't get it. And why put the place so far from the park when there are two= small strip=20 malls across the street? Maybe they could create a new park mascot: a hare.=20 Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 20:53:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18338 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2008 04:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2008 04:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2008 04:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2008 04:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2008 04:53:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:53:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Coaster Cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=lHAIDpKeCJ9saF2b9bSX9-4n0f7F8i4F3OALMUXwvmzZRDm3PQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Yeah, I really don't know what you look like, Jay. I'm guessing from=20 your reaction that you might be follicularly challenged?=20 ;) I really ought to do a better job of mentioning when I'm visiting=20 other areas of the country, as I've met only Beth all too briefly,=20 (both times!) and Cameron from the whole group here, which is sad,=20 considering I've been here longer than anywhere else online.=20 On that note:=20 Who's going to Solace? I'll be there for certain. I have my plane=20 tickets and CF platinum pass already purchased.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > >=20 > > maybe you could head out there, get a haircut, and do a TR for=20 us? < >=20 > LOL! Evidently, you don't know what I look like, Chris. :-) >=20 > I'd definitely make a trip to see the place. I can't imagine it=20 will last long. Will the barber=20 > chair be a Robocoaster? Will they specialize in roller coaster- shaped Mohawks? I just=20 > don't get it. And why put the place so far from the park when there=20 are two small strip=20 > malls across the street? >=20 > Maybe they could create a new park mascot: a hare.=20 >=20 > Jay > From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Dec 24 20:58:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76583 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2008 04:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2008 04:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2008 04:58:42 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so1616775ywt.89 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:58:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.149.19 with SMTP id w19mr17350835ybd.108.1230181122401; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:58:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.73.7 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:58:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30812242058n27a4f5fbx762f8ae004af8355@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:58:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Coaster Cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=QF8VlXgRfkBFtH0Si0rvIpFYhodg_7jDf-ZzVH4v3YBCVgR9 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I'll be back at Solace this year... haven't put in for vacation or booked a flight yet, but I'll be there... On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Chris wrote: > On that note: > Who's going to Solace? I'll be there for certain. I have my plane > tickets and CF platinum pass already purchased. > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Dec 24 21:26:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75446 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2008 05:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2008 05:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2008 05:26:23 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id y26so728546ele.10 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:26:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.93.8 with SMTP id q8mr4769886agb.83.1230182783322; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:26:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.120.16 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:26:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0812242126x61c7e26cj765857cb31f4b7b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:26:23 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30812242058n27a4f5fbx762f8ae004af8355@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30812242058n27a4f5fbx762f8ae004af8355@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Coaster Cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=eXAo_DIgadJgJoXtP5p-GJhRcn0hslCyg93M3VVRRw4L1hx_HA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I didn't think about booking Cali this year for vacation and taking the wife to Solace. I booked 8 days at WDW during the same time frame, instead. :) Oh well. I may have to settle for Magic Kingdom over Disneyland, but at least I've got epcot! Josh On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Beth Aslakson wrote: > I'll be back at Solace this year... haven't put in for vacation or > booked a flight yet, but I'll be there... > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Chris wrote: > >> On that note: >> Who's going to Solace? I'll be there for certain. 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--YCalReminder=jgAJNs23eHs6Ms1GYp8yzZ4aq4QPSWR1230187845-1-- From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Dec 24 23:39:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50154 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2008 07:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2008 07:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.12.55) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2008 07:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 4054716 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:39:16 -0600 X-Received: (qmail 16461 invoked by uid 99); 25 Dec 2008 07:39:16 -0000 Date: 25 Dec 2008 01:39:15 -0600 X-Received: from 76.201.149.94 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:39:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <9531d7f99cd94aace2e3f3ce031cd349.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:39:16 -0600 (CST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.12.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Meeting other people from the group (was: MISC: Coaster Cuts) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=OvFM5FnwDGCXQ5WTi-7usIk3m4n7TF4FloSGOdnevXfg-dFn X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Didn't we meet on the RB at SFGAm this past summer? David Rounds > I really ought to do a better job of mentioning when I'm visiting > other areas of the country, as I've met only Beth all too briefly, > (both times!) and Cameron from the whole group here, which is sad, > considering I've been here longer than anywhere else online. > > Chris > > From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Dec 26 09:40:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28215 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 17:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 17:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 17:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 17:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 17:40:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:40:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0812241334j41b8ac62o697a1cb405ba1ba9@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: King's Island X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=xBMLgKKphOF2zYwOAn6kL3O8_XEw5j0zuI80VhReM2M X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" w= rote: > > Well there were a lot of things. I feel like it was a park I would > have really enjoyed maybe 10 years ago but now it just seemed dumpy. > This is spring 2007 by the way. I went in 04 (or was it 03, josh? > jeremy?, any ideas?) but that was a rush through. My 07 visit was a > nice full day at the tail end of a midwest coaster road trip. >=20 > There were really large walkways without much shade. It was boiling > out for early june, so more trees would have really been nice. > Especially near IJ, which I liked a lot better at KD in terms of > placement and aesthrtics. >=20 > The racer was crappy, with most airtime seeming to come from well > placed potholes. It wasnt bad or painful, it was just a big letdown. > I didnt like the beast, but the area it was in was nice. tomb raider > was really cool looking but ran a terrible cycle. SOB was closed for > remodeling, firehawk wasnt done yet (but its area looked like crap). > The arrow megalooper was nice and not very painful. I am a fan of the > FoFs, I liked invertigo. but all of those coasters ive been on before > in other places, with anaconda as a better version of whatever its > called at ki. >=20 > I did really like the mine train. It was a great mix of fun, > confusion, and irony (what was that theme) and it had a great > placement in the park. I cant think of a mine train I enjoyed more, > including the disney one. top cock pit was a blast and came really > close to what i would really like to see in a suspended coaster. >=20 > But the park seemed really bland, really mass produced. Most of the > coasters being clones added to this, as did the crappy theeming > everywhere. The wild thornberrys log flume? the fairly odd coaster? > the avatar disko? the only one that even kindof worked was reptar. > But overall, the park as a whole, on a sweltering but empty weekday in > june, seemed more soulless than dorney. >=20 > and that stunk because I was really looking forward to my first real > visit there. Not living up to the hype is the greatest sin. For me Cedar Point sucks. = Mostly because it=20 wasn't that much better then the other coaster parks I had been to. Kings Island is about the Beast. If you don't like the Beast then nothing = else there is=20 unique. I like Vortex, (the Arrow Inverter) but there are others. The Ra= cer is a piece of=20 history, but there are other perhaps better John Allen coasters in the worl= d. The Fairly Odd=20 coaster is also a John Allen coaster so some will say it is historic. Trul= y though the Beast is=20 the ride the park (or the park's reputation) is built around. If you don't = like it then=20 everything else is going to be found somewhere else. The only thing you ca= n say about=20 the other coasters is decide if they are the "best" of their type (As you s= aid about Flight=20 Deck and Adventure Express.) The other thing about the park is that it has= many different=20 types of coasters. It needs a good inverted coaster, and perhaps a "Cyclon= e Clone" and the=20 park really has about one of every "kind" of coaster. That is a little uni= que. The thing you don't like about the layout I love about the layout. It is b= ig enough that=20 even on a big day I can get around and not feel crowded. There is enough s= pace for things=20 to work. That means there is some limited shade in places but most of the = lines are=20 shaded. Thanks for adding to the understanding... jjloj=20=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 10:46:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20124 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 18:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 18:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 18:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 18:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 18:46:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:46:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9531d7f99cd94aace2e3f3ce031cd349.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Meeting other people from the group (was: MISC: Coaster Cuts) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=wKx8bfupEXoBQpqFsOzwzEqGJuZyUf5nXCRoX8EGjjB85-Z_hw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "David Rounds" =20 wrote: > > Didn't we meet on the RB at SFGAm this past summer? > David Rounds >=20 > > I really ought to do a better job of mentioning when I'm visiting > > other areas of the country, as I've met only Beth all too briefly, > > (both times!) and Cameron from the whole group here, which is sad, > > considering I've been here longer than anywhere else online. > > > > Chris Possibly, Sir. I do believe I do remember that. I was there an awful=20 lot. ;) Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 14:14:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14720 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 22:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 22:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 22:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 22:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 22:14:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:14:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Cm_DzsSM5n1tmOcfrYUDb4BaB5cV_BDOnI2qLo6mRTcWwp-LTGYj X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Does anyone know what's happening with Knoebel's High Speed Thrill Coaster?= I heard a=20 rumor stating it was being removed. The Knoebel's website no longer mentio= ns it. It was a=20 fun little ride in a nice setting -- and one of the few kiddie coasters tha= t adults were allowed=20 to ride. Jay From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Dec 29 14:19:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64041 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 22:19:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 22:19:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f15.google.com) (209.85.217.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 22:19:51 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so4239265gxk.7 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:19:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.112.4 with SMTP id p4mr21935784ybm.44.1230589191097; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:19:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.75.6 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:19:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30812291419x36b14c6eo808c0df922d49256@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:19:51 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=YpF4AmAd9mJ9Tq6oqB5BR2l0WNdlW4CkC88EcXbBH5VDU2NC X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Someone I know emailed the park and they confirmed the rumor. The ride will be removed and "On a positive note there are currently plans on the table to replace it with a similar, but not identical coaster." On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:14 PM, jay_ducharme wrote: > Does anyone know what's happening with Knoebel's High Speed Thrill Coaster? I heard a > rumor stating it was being removed. The Knoebel's website no longer mentions it. It was a > fun little ride in a nice setting -- and one of the few kiddie coasters that adults were allowed > to ride. > > Jay > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 18:30:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82930 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 02:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 02:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 02:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 02:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 02:30:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:30:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30812291419x36b14c6eo808c0df922d49256@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=hJU78OaRQcUsqkk6DdmDNYfkdDkT2WQOEZtY6CNjhQWgIER2Vlgw X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >"On a positive note there are currently plans on the table to replace it w= ith a similar, but not=20 identical coaster." < Thanks for the info, Beth. I assume they didn't mention the reason it was = being removed. I'll=20 miss that punchy little coaster. I liked how it hopped over the boat troug= hs. I'll be interested to see what Knoebel's will replace it with. I'm sure th= ey'll do it right. Jay From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Dec 29 18:39:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63686 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 02:39:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 02:39:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 02:39:58 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d04.49d22833 (37576) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:39:51 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-96-241-120-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.241.120.82]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB051-92c8495989f61ed; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:39:50 -0500 Message-ID: <495989D9.5070406@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:39:21 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AOL-IP: 96.241.120.82 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=H4ofwGEQlYpcX2vliJ6Ze0usrJCF55cYZ4QODnEHffOBu461tQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo jay_ducharme wrote: >> "On a positive note there are currently plans on the table to replace it with a similar, but not >> > identical coaster." < > > Thanks for the info, Beth. I assume they didn't mention the reason it was being removed. I'll > miss that punchy little coaster. I liked how it hopped over the boat troughs. > > I'll be interested to see what Knoebel's will replace it with. I'm sure they'll do it right. > > Jay > > There is this possibility: "Wildwood, NJ, December 18, 2008 – The Morey Organization announced today that substantial portions of the historic Golden Nugget mine ride would be saved for reuse prior to the removal of the exterior structure from the former Hunt’s Pier. An individual, who has asked not to be identified as of yet, will take ownership of the tracks and trains and remove them for reuse prior to the public pre-demolition ceremony slated for Saturday, January 31, at noon (more details to follow). Jack Morey, Executive Vice President of The Morey Organization, said, “As we realized that the Golden Nugget was not viable for Morey’s Piers, we began looking for an appropriate person within our industry who might be capable of reusing the tracks and trains. Now, I am very thrilled to say that this ride will be placed in the most capable of hands. However, this person requests that we not divulge their identity as of yet, and we will honor that request.” " This seems to be too coincidental, and also seems like it would be right up Dick's alley. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on.... From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 06:47:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75714 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 14:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 14:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 14:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 14:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 14:47:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:47:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: SFNE adds a Slingshot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=f6L2LLIxXGBXBPV5JugtHDNICeKKU6TFi-aKl5DkX7BYBGtzZyuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Yup. Yet another teen thrill ride gets purchased. I guess they really are= n't serious about=20 adding "family" rides. They're expanding the Thomas the Tank Engine land,= but that was=20 basically a tiny cul-de-sac anyway. And Thomas is a kiddie area, not reall= y a "family" area.=20=20 Oh well, at least Agawam councilors seem happy.... Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 06:53:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48890 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 14:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 14:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 14:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 14:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 14:53:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:53:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495989D9.5070406@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.254.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=OEWNcIuGeh6VbHbjsvz6p4qB8Y-7zTw9KhbCHPynJOpqhK3E_24P X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Now, I am very thrilled to say that this ride will be placed in the most = capable of > hands. However, this person requests that we not divulge their > identity as of yet, and we will honor that request." < Aha! That must be what SFNE is putting in the Thomas the Tank Engine land! Seriously, though -- wouldn't this have been great instead of that stock WI= ld Mouse coaster=20 the park was thinking of building? The park would have gotten a classic fa= mily ride that also=20 could be themed to suit their tastes. Okay ... given how SFNE has treated = the Cyclone, maybe=20 that's not such a good idea.... If Knoebel's is getting that ride, I'm sure they'll do a great job rebuildi= ng it. Jay (who's just gushing with enthusiasm for the SIx Flags brand) From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Dec 30 07:20:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21630 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 15:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 15:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.249) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 15:20:10 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so4452168rvb.26 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:20:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.186.15 with SMTP id j15mr6164456wff.271.1230650410604; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:20:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.171.7 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:20:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:20:10 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFNE adds a Slingshot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=SNX7p97EDCmDQlm7HVZQjFMuQvnr1hWzV_Lq6Q2KBNgBRxz9j0gxVsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Yup. Yet another teen thrill ride gets purchased. I guess they really aren't serious about > adding "family" rides. They're expanding the Thomas the Tank Engine land, but that was > basically a tiny cul-de-sac anyway. And Thomas is a kiddie area, not really a "family" area. > Oh well, at least Agawam councilors seem happy.... A slingshot is an upcharge that generates additional revenue for the park...hardly the same thing as a teen thrill ride or a mega roller coaster. Thomas land seems pretty family-oriented to me. As does the parade they added last year. Heck, they haven't added a "thrill ride" since the new management took over... -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Dec 30 07:38:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74969 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 15:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 15:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 15:38:04 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so5627481wfa.25 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:38:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr6168137wfd.212.1230651484801; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:38:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.171.7 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:38:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:38:04 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <495989D9.5070406@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=kora5QFmxBNciGQjBsYar8zb82lLTMcacG8ETNg3ub0Se9_a9A364eE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Aha! That must be what SFNE is putting in the Thomas the Tank Engine land! > > Seriously, though -- wouldn't this have been great instead of that stock > WIld Mouse coaster > the park was thinking of building? Yes, because I'm sure a 50-year-old, 35' tall rickety dark ride with two small coasterish drops would have attracted more people than a brand new, modern steel coaster themed to the biggest film of the year. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 08:14:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64957 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 16:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 16:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 16:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LHhEH-0003G3-FS for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: <495A48BC.8030104@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:13:48 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <495989D9.5070406@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47879dce996a6234f05358659384560ba9baabd53f9aa764706350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=_A7sNwmBNPKJBmE0IruraFqzjQEba0NAxcSV75G-_nBI0GU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > Aha! That must be what SFNE is putting in the Thomas the Tank Engine > land! > > > > Seriously, though -- wouldn't this have been great instead of that stock > > WIld Mouse coaster > > the park was thinking of building? > > Yes, because I'm sure a 50-year-old, 35' tall rickety dark ride with > two small coasterish drops would have attracted more people than a > brand new, modern steel coaster themed to the biggest film of the > year. > Done right, you bet it could have. After all the bad press the batman coaster got, I don't know that it really ended up doing that much for the park anyways. This could have cost less, offered more and given them a better roi. Heck, it even could have been themed to batman as well since they'd have to redo the theming around it anyways. But then that would be assuming that Six Flags would actually bother to put a little investment into theming, which is assuming a lot. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 08:16:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90454 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 16:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 16:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 16:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LHhGj-0001dm-2R for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: <495A4953.3060200@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:16:19 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47879dce996a6234f055e90c47a339eb76218bcfccd46e16a59350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=RvmntQpfe614E1eXhMNsg39kZGopkBVYGllv7w4jI0pzWOs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash jay_ducharme wrote: > > > > Now, I am very thrilled to say that this ride will be placed in the > most capable of > > hands. However, this person requests that we not divulge their > > identity as of yet, and we will honor that request." < > > If Knoebel's is getting that ride, I'm sure they'll do a great job > rebuilding it. > That would seem to be an obvious fit for Knoebel's, How big is the footprint compared to what High Speed Thrill Coaster's footprint was? I know it was pretty small. Also, how would this fit in with their still trying to get the flying turns finished? They are still trying to finish that and get it open, aren't they? Or is that heading to the failed experiment can? Anyone know? keep on ridin' George From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Dec 30 09:31:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97805 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 17:31:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 17:31:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.168) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 17:31:07 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so5264737wfc.6 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:31:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.178.13 with SMTP id a13mr6197019wff.347.1230658266963; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:31:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.171.7 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:31:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:31:06 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <495A48BC.8030104@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <495989D9.5070406@aol.com> <495A48BC.8030104@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=OAbbrYXpLcZu4aNR2K9YQzAYPv7lG7dHPFij0Sj5c_AiKH70uVZu0ho X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Done right, you bet it could have. After all the bad press the batman > coaster got, I don't know that it really ended up doing that much for > the park anyways. Bad press? You really think anyone would think twice about riding - or even about visiting the park - because of some local conflict over a height variance? Or because permits weren't properly secured? Doubtful at best. > This could have cost less, offered more and given > them a better roi. Heck, it even could have been themed to batman as > well since they'd have to redo the theming around it anyways. The entire thing needs to be rehabbed, because it's been rotting there for ten years. It's not thrilling (or even interesting) by itself, which means even more money would have to be poured into theming/stunts/gags for anyone to even want to ride it. And Batman? For a simple dark ride? Probably not very effective. > But then that would be assuming that Six Flags would actually bother to > put a little investment into theming, which is assuming a lot. Is it really when nearly everything they've added into the past couple years has been quite nicely themed? -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 10:23:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17260 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 18:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 18:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 18:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 18:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 18:23:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:23:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=mT2C3ugNwTMekt-zGl4bqL_wsRqYNWKIqBiFRVvpmMUooLNjjlxg X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck On a totally unrelated note, I found it interesting that at 42 inches,=20 our son could ride Twister and Phoenix all by himself on his 5th=20 birthday, yet had to be accompanied by an adult for the Kiddie coaster. Not that I would have put him on either of those by himself, but still. From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Dec 30 13:54:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22997 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 21:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 21:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 21:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 21:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 21:54:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:54:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=HgSWlFLpKkd1UUZE8VA4YMtMKmVQ55McHg57mdYaFJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > > This could have cost less, offered more and given > > them a better roi. Heck, it even could have been themed to batman as > > well since they'd have to redo the theming around it anyways. >=20 > The entire thing needs to be rehabbed, because it's been rotting there > for ten years. It's not thrilling (or even interesting) by itself, > which means even more money would have to be poured into > theming/stunts/gags for anyone to even want to ride it. And Batman? > For a simple dark ride? Probably not very effective. >=20 > > But then that would be assuming that Six Flags would actually bother to > > put a little investment into theming, which is assuming a lot. >=20 > Is it really when nearly everything they've added into the past couple > years has been quite nicely themed? >=20 > -Nate At the risk of being negative... Do any of you pick a ride for theming? I mean really? When I see folk try to talk about the "good theming" at a park just don't get it. A good ride is good without the theming and a bid ride is bad with the best theming. I am looking for performance (or sometimes history...) when I decide where to go and what to ride. I don't care about the paint. jjloj From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Dec 30 14:04:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52140 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 22:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 22:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 22:04:37 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1789954yxf.66 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:04:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.68.12 with SMTP id q12mr2476381aga.73.1230674677272; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:04:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:04:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0812301404l56b16c23xfbaa98c8946b8db3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:04:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=t5NyamemRZhoXbFzX46v9HMpNfantBKkJESUdZUKmaDwwoowKw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Then, there's the flip side of that coin. Would any of the rides as Disney (save for maybe ToT) be as good as they are without themes? Spaceship Earth would be a slow ride through a ball. Pirates, a slow boat ride, etc... I can honestly tell you that theming and atmosphere is 100% the reason I go to WDW every 6-12 months. On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: >> > This could have cost less, offered more and given >> > them a better roi. Heck, it even could have been themed to batman as >> > well since they'd have to redo the theming around it anyways. >> >> The entire thing needs to be rehabbed, because it's been rotting there >> for ten years. It's not thrilling (or even interesting) by itself, >> which means even more money would have to be poured into >> theming/stunts/gags for anyone to even want to ride it. And Batman? >> For a simple dark ride? Probably not very effective. >> >> > But then that would be assuming that Six Flags would actually > bother to >> > put a little investment into theming, which is assuming a lot. >> >> Is it really when nearly everything they've added into the past couple >> years has been quite nicely themed? >> >> -Nate > > At the risk of being negative... > Do any of you pick a ride for theming? I mean really? When I see folk > try to talk about the "good theming" at a park just don't get it. A > good ride is good without the theming and a bid ride is bad with the > best theming. I am looking for performance (or sometimes history...) > when I decide where to go and what to ride. I don't care about the paint. > > jjloj > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Dec 30 14:15:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70771 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 22:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 22:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 22:15:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22418 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 22:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 30 Dec 2008 22:15:14 -0000 Message-ID: <495A9D0C.2090806@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:13:32 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hAr_PhC1wp41v2VXYqgIUjmKd3TFDp3qni-MYDEiXoOft95k X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > A good ride is good without the theming and a bid ride is bad with the > best theming. I think that Rockin' Rollercoaster would be light-years more enjoyable without the horrendous "theming" they have there. Heck, built out in a car-park it would probably be more enjoyable. But those black-lit cardboard street-signs are just laughable, and do spoil the ride for me. Cameron. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 22:13:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81271 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 06:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 06:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 06:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2008 06:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2008 06:13:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:13:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495A9D0C.2090806@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ym2VgItzmbzkE2Cpw6k24vYUmqQj06M8yk7H8P03sRz2LMwrOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > > A good ride is good without the theming and a bid ride is bad=20 with the > > best theming. >=20 > I think that Rockin' Rollercoaster would be light-years more=20 enjoyable=20 > without the horrendous "theming" they have there. Heck, built out=20 in a=20 > car-park it would probably be more enjoyable. But those black-lit=20 > cardboard street-signs are just laughable, and do spoil the ride=20 for me. >=20 > Cameron. I preferred Xpress / Superman over at Walibi World for just that=20 reason.=20 Chris From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Dec 30 22:39:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82060 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 06:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 06:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-138.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.28) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 06:39:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9898 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2008 06:39:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box502.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.102) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 06:39:19 -0000 X-Received: from pool-72-88-214-18.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net ([72.88.214.18] helo=new-host-2.home) by box502.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LHujf-0004Gf-0n for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:39:19 -0700 Message-Id: <376A0FA2-7DC5-43D5-9E67-494F6EEA66D4@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:48:38 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Identified-User: {41346:box502.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 72.88.214.18 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=16-FylKqyFMfAfHKWGn-2ZnazFtizVbv6p0kGCMLGHzdv7tdMqSs X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >>> A good ride is good without the theming and a bid ride is bad > with the >>> best theming. >> >> I think that Rockin' Rollercoaster would be light-years more > enjoyable >> without the horrendous "theming" they have there. Heck, built out > in a >> car-park it would probably be more enjoyable. But those black-lit >> cardboard street-signs are just laughable, and do spoil the ride > for me. >> >> Cameron. > > I preferred Xpress / Superman over at Walibi World for just that > reason. > > Chris It depends on the kind of ride I think. Rockin Rollercoaster was just a bad ride... I found it really boring. If they themed it better, I think it could've helped, but they cheaped out and went the cardboard route. For other enclosed coasters, if being enclosed counts as theming, I rode Flight of Fear and Jokers Jinx, I would much prefer the indoor Flight of Fear version (well, I would prefer it if the rides didn't headbang the crap out of you... Jokers Jinx might be better because you can see where you're going a little better, so you can brace yourself). Skull Mountain at SFGAd I think would also be pretty boring if it wasn't indoors. For actual theming, Space Mountain in Disneyland CA has awesome theming, I don't think the ride would be nearly as good without it. Between the visuals, the enclosed area, and the soundtrack (I've only ridden it with the older soundtrack, which I really liked), it's easily one of my top 10 favorite rides. If it was outside like a regular coaster and unthemed, it probably would have been removed a long time ago, since it wouldn't be that exciting. Same goes for the Matterhorn and Big Thunder Mountain. On a side note, theming also makes a huge difference in dark rides. I rode Countdown to Extinction and the Indiana Jones Adventure, which I think have exactly the same track layout, and Indiana Jones is awesome, and Countdown to Extinction was awful. Coundown to Extinction didn't have an equivalent of the big chamber room, didn't have a good storyline or visuals, was really dark, and had lame audio, so not even the awesome ride system could save the ride. Mike From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Dec 31 09:12:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31203 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 17:12:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 17:12:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 17:12:46 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so4007323qwb.15 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:12:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.218.8 with SMTP id q8mr14020917qag.301.1230743565226; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:12:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-85-172.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm16979237ywd.32.2008.12.31.09.12.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:12:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <495ba80c.0504c00a.51da.ffff9024@mx.google.com> To: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:12:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <376A0FA2-7DC5-43D5-9E67-494F6EEA66D4@donkeyentertainment.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-index: AclrEoTlOTJ8NYbARlq8/vKsQpE57QAWCSIg X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=yYOi_Ezaps4DV5GRECPuym2Qc6dsDaeh7r8SnQANbAFYCyA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "For actual theming, Space Mountain in Disneyland CA has awesome theming, I don't think the ride would be nearly as good without it." I agree. Two of the steel coasters I really enjoyed were Space Mountain (the last time I rode it was pre-retrofit) and Euro Sat. Both were simple and to me a lot of fun. Put either of these rides outdoors and they really would suck. Heck, my favorite part of Euro Sat is the bumping electronic music as you ascend the lift. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Dec 31 12:13:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9395 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 20:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 20:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 20:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2008 20:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2008 20:13:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:13:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0812301404l56b16c23xfbaa98c8946b8db3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=QZvfe2EZDxXo2Fl3EOf0cX4B9Yzplke-7ugC2qLCxg4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Then, there's the flip side of that coin. Would any of the rides as > Disney (save for maybe ToT) be as good as they are without themes? >=20 > Spaceship Earth would be a slow ride through a ball. Pirates, a slow > boat ride, etc... >=20 > I can honestly tell you that theming and atmosphere is 100% the=20 reason > I go to WDW every 6-12 months. I forget that the name of this list should be "Amusement Park Talk."=20=20 I have almost no desire to attend a Disney park for exactly what you=20 are saying. A video of both rides at my house would be basically the=20 same as "riding" the rides. Time spent on them is better spent on a=20 motorcycle. The beautiful thing about the universe is that I don't=20 have to go there and you can go as much as you want. Were there any coasters that the theming is make or break on for you? jjloj From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Dec 31 12:26:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16100 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 20:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 20:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 20:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2008 20:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2008 20:26:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:26:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <376A0FA2-7DC5-43D5-9E67-494F6EEA66D4@donkeyentertainment.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Theming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=F_zmGF1QL4MB39I9pJBrLskellpkqLogY6bjn25fQC8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > For other enclosed coasters, if being enclosed counts as theming, I=20=20 > rode Flight of Fear and Jokers Jinx, I would much prefer the indoor=20=20 > Flight of Fear version (well, I would prefer it if the rides didn't=20=20 > headbang the crap out of you... Jokers Jinx might be better because=20=20 > you can see where you're going a little better, so you can brace=20=20 > yourself). My local neighbor hood Flight of Fear has removed the Over the=20 Shoulder restraints this makes a big difference. I could ride that=20 ride all day. The most pain I ever had on a coaster was on FoF before=20 the removal of the OtS's.=20 > For actual theming, Space Mountain in Disneyland CA has awesome=20=20 > theming, I don't think the ride would be nearly as good without it. = =20 > Between the visuals, the enclosed area, and the soundtrack (I've=20 only=20=20 > ridden it with the older soundtrack, which I really liked), it's=20=20 > easily one of my top 10 favorite rides. If it was outside like a=20=20 > regular coaster and unthemed, it probably would have been removed a=20=20 > long time ago, since it wouldn't be that exciting. Same goes for=20 the=20=20 > Matterhorn and Big Thunder Mountain. >=20 You have a point here. Disney is a theme (spend money on Disney)with=20 rides. The theming is the point of the park and they are good at it. However... I don't know that I consider Space Mountain and the Matterhorn "adult"=20 coasters. I tend to think of them as "kiddie" coasters. I have only=20 ridden Big Thunder Mountain once, my very cloudy memory of the ride is=20 that it is a good coaster. As such it would be better outside of a=20 Disney park and away from the theming. Disney is DEAD to me. I don't like ads at the movies I pay for. Why=20 would I want to go to a park (Pay to get into a park!) that is one big=20 ad for movies targeted out of my demographic? All this said, you do have a point. I would like to amend my=20 question: If theming is not the primary purpose of a ride (park) is=20 there a ride out there that the theming saves or kills because it is=20 there? Jon From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Jan 01 07:54:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33053 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2009 15:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2009 15:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 15:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2009 15:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2009 15:54:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:54:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=uj0zefFvvicIg3rEsqpJ8KHcjeEEkIXYi8GkR2vfTLIqjdSDy0rY5Geu_A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > I forget that the name of this list should be "Amusement Park Talk."=20=20 sorry, but if all you want to do is=20 talk "fastest/tallest/longest/XTREME!!!!" there are plenty of other=20 coaster groups out there for you to join.=20 =20 > I have almost no desire to attend a Disney park for exactly what you=20 > are saying. A video of both rides at my house would be basically the=20 > same as "riding" the rides. Time spent on them is better spent on a=20 > motorcycle. The beautiful thing about the universe is that I don't=20 > have to go there and you can go as much as you want. again, thats great for you. but the topic is theming being condusive to=20 a rides, and because of that Disney is the crownholder.=20 that being said, on a personal opinion level, Hulk would be nothing=20 without the queue theming.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Jan 01 12:14:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48970 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2009 20:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2009 20:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 20:14:31 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1832522yxg.39 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:14:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.80.18 with SMTP id d18mr8121406agb.19.1230840871183; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:14:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:14:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901011214h7ab6df5dq4c80741e5e815280@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:14:31 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=AerhiEs0m9t8vy0TsxKEgiHcb7tarEeiTueSIZVx2cswB1dKPA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Doug, you forget the name of this list has been changed to "Alienate the long timers/regulars with our closed minded-ness and attitude towards all things not XTREEEM!-TALK" I guess every group has one.... Josh On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" > wrote: > >> I forget that the name of this list should be "Amusement Park Talk." > > sorry, but if all you want to do is > talk "fastest/tallest/longest/XTREME!!!!" there are plenty of other > coaster groups out there for you to join. > >> I have almost no desire to attend a Disney park for exactly what you >> are saying. A video of both rides at my house would be basically the >> same as "riding" the rides. Time spent on them is better spent on a >> motorcycle. The beautiful thing about the universe is that I don't >> have to go there and you can go as much as you want. > > again, thats great for you. but the topic is theming being condusive to > a rides, and because of that Disney is the crownholder. > > that being said, on a personal opinion level, Hulk would be nothing > without the queue theming. > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jan 02 07:49:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10480 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 15:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2009 15:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 15:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2009 15:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2009 15:49:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:49:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901011214h7ab6df5dq4c80741e5e815280@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Aurf926cZU8b1KUo-_lSZQ6SYEabcCkj5ghTEmSsuNN92EAxf9L0p4v0UQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Doug, you forget the name of this list has been changed to "Alienate > the long timers/regulars with our closed minded-ness and attitude > towards all things not XTREEEM!-TALK" > oh man. sorry, i didnt get the memo. From lgdebbie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 02 08:32:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lgdebbie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50904 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 16:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2009 16:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 16:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2009 16:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2009 16:32:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.197.60.184 From: "lgdebbie" Subject: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194556388; y=5Pm9y1u09mqhFLORWV5VnGoIe269y5g2Ue7sUZH5cQrTYII X-Yahoo-Profile: lgdebbie as an east coast/ new englander, I tend to go through coaster=20 withdrawls this time of year...... looking for a partner or group to=20 take a trip to a warmer place in the next few months.... maybe like an=20 extended weekend trip...... this economy isn't the best to=20 splurge.....anyone interested?......Debbie.....aka Mark From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 02 11:19:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37332 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 19:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2009 19:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 19:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LIpY4-00066S-2k for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: <495E689F.7010503@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:18:55 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47879dce996a6234f05445ad8519050a7b952719407d287a28c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Nq6qTtuw7R7P8L6W7NN9mxi3ncYY9ulw-Y1zZ8Sx-D8K19Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash lgdebbie wrote: > > > as an east coast/ new englander, I tend to go through coaster > withdrawls this time of year...... looking for a partner or group to > take a trip to a warmer place in the next few months.... maybe like an > extended weekend trip...... this economy isn't the best to > splurge.....anyone interested?......Debbie.....aka Mark There's a few of us that live in those warmer climates that will, scheduling permitting, be happy to meet up with you at some of those parks. I know that Doug and I have been trying to manage a meet up at Busch in Tampa for a while now, but it just hasn't worked out yet (we'll get it yet Doug!) I'm closer to Disneyworld, where I actually work part time. We've got others in the Florida area, as well as a few in California that can make it to those parks. Just let us know when you think you might drop down and others in the area can let you know if they can meet you. Some of us have really been spoiled not having to go through coaster withdrawals. Not sure what I'd do if I had to experience it, but I have a feeling at some point down the road I'm going to learn (shivers!) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 02 11:26:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17331 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 19:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2009 19:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 19:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LIpfN-00009Y-Sg for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: <495E6A4B.5080407@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:26:03 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <376A0FA2-7DC5-43D5-9E67-494F6EEA66D4@donkeyentertainment.com> In-Reply-To: <376A0FA2-7DC5-43D5-9E67-494F6EEA66D4@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47879dce996a6234f0504838280f5f85dd4f4d1d02d8020d2d9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5tOstq5qNdxpHsz9rTHA2CvWCf4QuPD0VApvgjAvO4GNP4s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike Filippone wrote: > It depends on the kind of ride I think. Rockin Rollercoaster was just > a bad ride... I found it really boring. If they themed it better, I > think it could've helped, but they cheaped out and went the cardboard > route. Yes, but then how much detail and theming are you going to be able to see flying by at 40-50mph? And if you think about it and compare it to many of the Disney dark rides, it's theming is much the same kind of concept (blacklit flats) but done in such a way that you can actually tell what they are when you fly by. And then add in the rest of the queue area, the built in sound track, and all the other and there's actually quite a bit there. Not sure what else you can add during the ride that would be an improvement that people would actually notice during the ride. > > For other enclosed coasters, if being enclosed counts as theming, I > rode Flight of Fear and Jokers Jinx, I would much prefer the indoor > Flight of Fear version (well, I would prefer it if the rides didn't > headbang the crap out of you... Jokers Jinx might be better because > you can see where you're going a little better, so you can brace > yourself). Skull Mountain at SFGAd I think would also be pretty > boring if it wasn't indoors. Indoors does seem to improve a lot of coasters, at least for me. As Jon mentioned the otsr's are gone from the flight of fear rides, which pretty much eliminated the headbanging. If you haven't been on without them, I can't encourage you enough to give them another shot. > > For actual theming, Space Mountain in Disneyland CA has awesome > theming, I don't think the ride would be nearly as good without it. > If it was outside like a > regular coaster and unthemed, it probably would have been removed a > long time ago, since it wouldn't be that exciting. Same goes for the > Matterhorn and Big Thunder Mountain. Keep in mind Space Mountain tops out at only like 25mph, or less. It would be a total drag outside, so in the dark definitely adds to it. Theming most certainly adds to the "slower" coasters, giving you immersion and a story to go along with the ride. Assuming you like that kind of thing of course (which most people seem to. *wink, nod*) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 02 11:35:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63570 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 19:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2009 19:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 19:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LIpnk-0000ug-By for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:35:20 -0500 Message-ID: <495E6C52.1070801@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:34:42 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47879dce996a6234f0588356a4e3def72b052db4625bbac1f48350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0:1 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4frzqLEW5k_OLplxmeQY5CgIaqmV4uSYV213CsQiRCcH9XY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Osborn wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , "Josh W" > wrote: > > > > Then, there's the flip side of that coin. Would any of the rides as > > Disney (save for maybe ToT) be as good as they are without themes? > > > > Spaceship Earth would be a slow ride through a ball. Pirates, a slow > > boat ride, etc... > > > > I can honestly tell you that theming and atmosphere is 100% the > reason > > I go to WDW every 6-12 months. It's also one of the major reasons that I enjoy working there so much. I get to play a "role" in a big stage everytime I step out to work. Talk about fun! > > I forget that the name of this list should be "Amusement Park Talk." heh, I think you forgot to read the description on the front page. We do (and always have) talked about a whole lot more than just coasters, but include almost anything about the amusement park industry as a whole. > > I have almost no desire to attend a Disney park for exactly what you > are saying. A video of both rides at my house would be basically the > same as "riding" the rides. Time spent on them is better spent on a > motorcycle. The beautiful thing about the universe is that I don't > have to go there and you can go as much as you want. I agree. Means I'll be enjoying walking around Disney pretending I'm in another place, interacting with my friends and others around me, while you sit in front of the tube watching a video. yeah, I think I'll get more out of it. :P There's a lot more to life than just adrenaline and thrill, as wonderful as they are. I find once people wake up to that realization, it seems that the world really opens up to them in ways they never imagined before, where their focus was so narrow. I know I've been there, done that, and learned a bit along the way from it. :P > > Were there any coasters that the theming is make or break on for you? The Disney ones have already been menioned- Space Mountain, Matterhorn, Big Thunder. For the mine train coasters, such as SFMM's, SFoT, and others, the blending of the ride with the terrain, theming elements etc most certainly add to the ride. I've been on one that had been moved and all of that removed and it went from a fun ride to really pretty boring. The theming on the Demon coasters at the two Great America parks were a huge part of them. When it all worked it was a completely different, and far improved, ride experience from when it wasn't. Knott's old, now long gone, Wacky Soapbox Racers was another one where the theming on the ride made a huge difference. On the whole, theming will almost always add to a ride, and rarely take away from it. I have yet to experience a ride that was themed that I wish wasn't, and several that I wouldn't' have enjoyed anywhere near as much without it. keep on ridin' George From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jan 02 11:44:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46596 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 19:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2009 19:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 19:44:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14692 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 19:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2009 19:44:54 -0000 Message-ID: <495E6E4D.6080306@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:43:09 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=5CI_cEsRpfEtXqn5j_KdzlB7iyZ9Cbe6LYuRziQEmET3JBuz X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I don't usually start getting antsy until around April .. This winter I can honestly say that I've not really thought about parks and coasters at all since the fall. My interest in the hobby decreased a lot in 2008, so I was actually kind of looking forward to the off-season. Cameron. lgdebbie wrote: > as an east coast/ new englander, I tend to go through coaster > withdrawls this time of year...... looking for a partner or group to > take a trip to a warmer place in the next few months.... maybe like an > extended weekend trip...... this economy isn't the best to > splurge.....anyone interested?......Debbie.....aka Mark > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Jan 02 11:56:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74263 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 19:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2009 19:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.189) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 19:56:22 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k40so4323373rnd.0 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:56:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.94.2 with SMTP id r2mr8543808agb.62.1230926181569; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:56:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:56:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901021156u7475dbasa4835cfb87ab5982@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:56:21 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <495E6E4D.6080306@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <495E6E4D.6080306@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Z4H9rews-kj19iBPffFfijyp5kHjzoEtPD8cn3BqAtlGShX7ug X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I'm right there with you, Cameron. My visits to Cedar Point in 2008 were so few and far between that I'm thinking about skipping a season pass in '09. Of course, that's just crazy talk, and I'll get one because it's always something to do. I hit the point that George mentioned, a couple of years ago - once you stop seeking adrenaline in absolutely everything, and enjoy life for what it is, things get WAY happier. Oh, and the things that do create a rush, are often 10,000 times better. Josh On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Cameron Silver wrote: > > I don't usually start getting antsy until around April .. This winter I > can honestly say that I've not really thought about parks and coasters > at all since the fall. My interest in the hobby decreased a lot in 2008, > so I was actually kind of looking forward to the off-season. > > Cameron. > > lgdebbie wrote: >> as an east coast/ new englander, I tend to go through coaster >> withdrawls this time of year...... looking for a partner or group to >> take a trip to a warmer place in the next few months.... maybe like an >> extended weekend trip...... this economy isn't the best to >> splurge.....anyone interested?......Debbie.....aka Mark >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Don't forget our group site at >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk >> bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. >> >> Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word >> about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > From mindbenderzzz@comcast.net Fri Jan 02 14:00:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mindbenderzzz@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72154 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 22:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2009 22:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.56) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 22:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yinN1a06717dt5G56m0o99; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:00:48 +0000 X-Received: from DDCGZ941 ([71.192.75.29]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ym0n1a00F0dvUo73Zm0n9Y; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:00:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1A08B29BFE2C491BBCFF571593562D07@DDCGZ941> To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:57:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "mindbenderzzz" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160577448; y=Sqj1FnJCYat39bPGgDyFBx31A0ZoKVjWj5cFvE9Xz6r-vZJJ4VcEzawn X-Yahoo-Profile: gdterrapinflyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ya knopw im always ready but im actully gld to not be spendin money on trips for a change ----- Original Message ----- From: lgdebbie To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:32 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] coaster withdrawl as an east coast/ new englander, I tend to go through coaster withdrawls this time of year...... looking for a partner or group to take a trip to a warmer place in the next few months.... maybe like an extended weekend trip...... this economy isn't the best to splurge.....anyone interested?......Debbie.....aka Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Jan 03 07:31:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31705 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 15:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 15:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 15:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 15:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 15:31:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:31:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495E689F.7010503@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=L4K-PFSwR6u72rCoFKz2a8aNRvo5O9jRD3rTRku1diD0Z7PQeXfHdPa2IA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > There's a few of us that live in those warmer climates that will,=20 > scheduling permitting, be happy to meet up with you at some of=20 those=20 > parks. I know that Doug and I have been trying to manage a meet up=20 at=20 > Busch in Tampa for a while now, but it just hasn't worked out yet=20 (we'll=20 > get it yet Doug!) yeah i know we will get there eventually. we are going to IOA and=20 Seaworld sometime in the next month I think.=20 > I'm closer to Disneyworld, where I actually work part=20 > time. We've got others in the Florida area, as well as a few in=20 > California that can make it to those parks. Just let us know when=20 you=20 > think you might drop down and others in the area can let you know=20 if=20 > they can meet you. i would be more than happy to meet up with anyone, and as of december=20 31st, i am back to being unemployed, so i have more than enough free=20 time to meet up with anyone who wants to hit BG whenever and act as=20 tour guide.=20 =20 > Some of us have really been spoiled not having to go through=20 coaster=20 > withdrawals. Not sure what I'd do if I had to experience it, but I=20 have=20 > a feeling at some point down the road I'm going to learn (shivers!) we lived in Boston for 8 years, so i know the feeling. the window for=20 the parks operating is riduclously short. add in that the only parks=20 around of any size are SFNE and Canobie, and yeah it sucks in new=20 england to be a coaster fan(i dont really count LC as its pretty far=20 away from the boston metro area really). so yeah im totally spoiled.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Jan 03 07:39:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78470 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 15:39:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 15:39:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 15:39:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 15:39:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 15:39:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:39:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495E6E4D.6080306@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=d3RZrS3TBfLWerEAA5Azx9K_K5S6yXcn_akpRh4ZX28xQZXf9oQ1m5CARg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > I don't usually start getting antsy until around April .. This winter=20 I=20 > can honestly say that I've not really thought about parks and=20 coasters=20 > at all since the fall. My interest in the hobby decreased a lot in=20 2008,=20 > so I was actually kind of looking forward to the off-season. its odd. as ive gotten older, ive found im less interested is going out=20 of my way to ride new coasters, and concentrated more on just riding=20 any coaster i can within my range. now, as george has already said, im=20 spoiled in that i can be on any number of quality coasters in 2 hours=20 or less any day of the year. so again going back to the season issue,=20 ill take year round access to Montu in half an hour driving time over 6=20 months access to SROS at SFNE more than 2 hours from me any day!=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Jan 03 07:41:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14157 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 15:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 15:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 15:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 15:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 15:41:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:41:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901021156u7475dbasa4835cfb87ab5982@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=7UTBVPtePOteXhCSqoikApfS14i2sym1kAmtRVj6o0C726PfCdyjUBVlBg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > I'm right there with you, Cameron. My visits to Cedar Point in 2008 > were so few and far between that I'm thinking about skipping a season > pass in '09. Of course, that's just crazy talk, and I'll get one > because it's always something to do. >=20 > I hit the point that George mentioned, a couple of years ago - once > you stop seeking adrenaline in absolutely everything, and enjoy life > for what it is, things get WAY happier. Oh, and the things that do > create a rush, are often 10,000 times better. >=20 > Josh it certainly helps you appreciate the PARK over just the RIDES. id=20 rather go to a park that offers good rides and good atmosphere over one=20 that offers good rides but little to no atmosphere (cough sixflags=20 cough).=20 From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Jan 03 11:30:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12614 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 19:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 19:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 19:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 19:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 19:30:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:30:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495E6C52.1070801@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.32.125 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: MISC: High Speed Thrill Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=wnM5MLR4YtnAxLDH7I-onsjNa_LFSg2Io_w7pcl-KBE X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > I have almost no desire to attend a Disney park for exactly what=20 you > > are saying. A video of both rides at my house would be basically=20 the > > same as "riding" the rides. Time spent on them is better spent on=20 a > > motorcycle. The beautiful thing about the universe is that I don't > > have to go there and you can go as much as you want. >=20 > I agree. Means I'll be enjoying walking around Disney pretending=20 I'm in=20 > another place, interacting with my friends and others around me,=20 while=20 > you sit in front of the tube watching a video. yeah, I think I'll=20 get=20 > more out of it. :P Why would you want to do that? I was out for an evening ride on=20 my 350 and on my way back to my house (less them a mile away) five=20 deer crossed the street. I stopped wished I had a way to take a photo=20 and just took it all in. I live and was less then five miles from the=20 center of a metro area of over a million people. The deer are free.=20 Never going to happen at Disney. Instead of riding "Its a Small World" I rode the Great River Road=20 from ValleyFair! to mid Iowa and discovered geology, wildlife and=20 vista that were inspiring. I could see everything from the back of=20 the bike. I could smell everything from the back of the bike, when=20 the trees had changed, when the river was closer (and yes when the pig=20 farm was up wind.) None of that a Disney. Disney is fake. If your real world is so sad that a fake world is=20 better, look into an upgrade. (Besides they destroyed a perfectly=20 good swamp to build the one in Florida.) >=20 > There's a lot more to life than just adrenaline and thrill, as=20 wonderful=20 > as they are. I find once people wake up to that realization, it=20 seems=20 > that the world really opens up to them in ways they never imagined=20 > before, where their focus was so narrow. I know I've been there,=20 done=20 > that, and learned a bit along the way from it. :P What adrenaline rush? Coasters are about the safest thing in the=20 world. It is not like you are bungie jumping or skydiving or=20 something dangerous like skying. I have a MS in physics. For me=20 roller coasters are a way to make the wonderful dance my pencil does=20 on paper come to life in the real world. THATS IT. The universe=20 showing me that what Newton has taught us is not only true but living.=20=20 Living active moving art.=20=20 I don't even ride the motorcycle for an adrenaline rush. I ride=20 it to be outside. In the air. Yes when I have a "safe" place I will=20 push the bike to experience the physics of it all. That will heighten=20 my awareness to the dangers. It is not a rush. I am not into the=20 rush. Adrenaline "rushes" come from bad things, like having to slam on=20 the brakes because a guy cut me off. Or loosing control at 20 mph=20 because there is ice on the road. The only "rush" I ever though was=20 good was for my Navy training I had on an OBA and had to go into a=20 "fire." That rush was one to be respected, but I don't really want to=20 repeat it. I hear people talk about "fear" on a coaster this is beyond me.=20=20 Oh well that is what it is. Einstein pointed out that every point of=20 view in the universe is relative. There you have it. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Jan 03 11:42:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47467 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 19:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 19:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 19:42:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28424 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 19:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 3 Jan 2009 19:42:03 -0000 Message-Id: <833A3DEC-58E4-42A8-B254-9A9AC5182C99@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:42:02 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=levJ2Zb4KQnu63I6FwMpsaCpPWJ28fb1ECuNG4vXomhx0NUf X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > it certainly helps you appreciate the PARK over just the RIDES. id > rather go to a park that offers good rides and good atmosphere Which is why I like Indiana Beach so much :) > over one that offers good rides but little to no atmosphere (cough > sixflags > cough). Oh come on - Cedar Fair is a far, Far bigger offender of that than Sex Flags. Cameron. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 03 14:41:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78502 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 22:41:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 22:41:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 22:41:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 334 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2009 22:41:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Yi1stwwVM1l5P9kzZ.6eZQu6EPIYI.Hs1WiLLOq.mpl6AqSBYcbzhNC_x9j060CIIVHJ3eIkiZu3UjCMKanzbtrHIeXbI2.Vwki_5goSfuSDRFSF8cZ55rMUK7lXE4dPuE1d3GSF_CZaHtoMnq7RbXMF8kAehkO_Wv8UUhUXO42wSns- X-Received: from [72.79.229.79] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:41:39 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1230995789.3022.63238.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <429580.99954.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=zWfNnZHPEt84EnYvCh_VsziNnbEekucBd4xLIfUcJKkNcXuQxmQF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Karen and I had been planning a trip to DisneyWorld. We had gotten a really good deal. But then other things came up and scuttled our plans. :-( We're going on another big coaster trip this summer, mostly revisiting familiar parks but also hitting a couple new to us. Our destination will be Cedar Point, where our daughter is working. So I've got plenty of amusement park thoughts to tide me over until spring! Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jan 03 20:13:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18974 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 04:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 04:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 04:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 04:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.230] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 04:13:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:13:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <833A3DEC-58E4-42A8-B254-9A9AC5182C99@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ueh0OlWHqAxnfcw0XBHgLWjf7gp-wLfU7UOTYjIsIJ3v35aQPA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Amen to that Cameron. I feel that CF parks tend to be as soulless as=20 they come.=20 Hey, Floridians! I just booked a trip to your neck of the woods, (Orlando/Tampa to be=20 specific) from the 10th to the 14th of February. I am not getting my=20 USF credits in on this trip, but that's OK, I'm getting Busch Gardens=20 for free, I paid for my 5 day no-expiration parkhoppers before the=20 prices went up last year, and I haven't been to Florida for 14 years! I figure I'll have enough fun without rushing through SWF and IOA/USF.=20 I have to save something for next time, right? ;) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > > it certainly helps you appreciate the PARK over just the RIDES. id > > rather go to a park that offers good rides and good atmosphere >=20 > Which is why I like Indiana Beach so much :) >=20 > > over one that offers good rides but little to no atmosphere (cough=20=20 > > sixflags > > cough). >=20 > Oh come on - Cedar Fair is a far, Far bigger offender of that than=20 Sex=20=20 > Flags. >=20 > Cameron. > From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Jan 03 20:58:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63039 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 04:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 04:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 04:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 04:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 04:58:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:58:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <833A3DEC-58E4-42A8-B254-9A9AC5182C99@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.21.94.181 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=zHr7EjIGUiR5LWTKd4NV1d7g3iEISODups0AJskMROI X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > > it certainly helps you appreciate the PARK over just the RIDES. id > > rather go to a park that offers good rides and good atmosphere >=20 > Which is why I like Indiana Beach so much :) >=20 > > over one that offers good rides but little to no atmosphere (cough=20=20 > > sixflags > > cough). >=20 > Oh come on - Cedar Fair is a far, Far bigger offender of that than=20 Sex=20=20 > Flags. >=20 > Cameron. > I second that! From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 08:41:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65061 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 16:41:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 16:41:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:41:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65496 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2009 16:41:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IHkwCgAVM1kY.S3862IWh6VQ2ctm6r3lnyXx_Bd8z2X0p8J6aca9zRZgPJfyBDD5kok9hPtR._WmuPxJPMerGjUFj60N7eIWlvN3uothdk1PHMb5qNOqmY9MNMmtab7xV5HfTgVtLwRlvQZsIWYZs6GkLU_SodyDpCNaLwCobegge3Cux69cDf6Bpx9wzM2NVgkJrinAHHsWASO4hJ6KIGTYXTGPTdaWyT_eJtXEI2qTz7f2Vw-- X-Received: from [65.25.60.25] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:41:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:41:38 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <370103.65023.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=be4jm7HQGEBQRzLyqQ7aEuvJdj_tab6TU3qt88W8kJXC1hR0nDFkHs7oXmSqIFT9 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree, as I have gotten older I really like parks like Waldameer and Kenn= ywood more than Cedar Point and King's Island.=A0 To me it is all about the= atmosphere, it is what make the experience enjoyable.=A0 Unique rides and = great food are what it is all about for me, as well as shady little pathway= s to meander down and let the stress of life float away. --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Jon Osborn wrote: From: Jon Osborn Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 11:58 PM --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > > it certainly helps you appreciate the PARK over just the RIDES. id > > rather go to a park that offers good rides and good atmosphere >=20 > Which is why I like Indiana Beach so much :) =A0 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From shine_kema@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 10:22:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: shine_kema@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86246 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 18:22:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 18:22:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.253) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 18:22:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99114 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2009 18:22:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uX701kYVM1koz7XVP34NOlV1gDokRNB3l6EhRSxW1lgkaNxISGF2CYqm8dwy5Fzn6nc6fLudO5StqL6TWyIYS_Co23i1vJWi4liejiY4LMtBhy56n7Ay_Kzzs5fqv.Kjl.WUAXX6490xAhY4ZwxMwMfyFoLhWTP7R3mKR066_kgLLcPKryUoRHqTrBcRKcdj7uXXq255YkVu4kKCdw5bc_x25rxn3pXe0ZF4.nT3xelXEU1r X-Received: from [68.142.243.81] by web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:22:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:22:37 -0800 (PST) To: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <803663.98808.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bryanna Williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=301879310; y=PKQVzAflc602ionp2fO7JOuhoZ1OtFzUDiJ-iap9a5uZMCVEBg X-Yahoo-Profile: shine_kema Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm from New Jersey and I agree with Wiley. As a teen it was all about parks with the biggest coasters like SFGA or Dorney Park. However now in my mid twenties I really enjoy parks rich with culture, history, and uniqueness. For that reason Coney island NYC is one of my favorite amusement park destinations. I understand that soon it will be renovated and expanded to include all year round entertainment and amusement facilities. So with that said I look forward to a bigger and better Coney Island. Warmest regards, Kema On Jan 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, "wiley reed jr." wrote: I agree, as I have gotten older I really like parks like Waldameer and Kennywood more than Cedar Point and King's Island. To me it is all about the atmosphere, it is what make the experience enjoyable. Unique rides and great food are what it is all about for me, as well as shady little pathways to meander down and let the stress of life float away. --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Jon Osborn wrote: From: Jon Osborn Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 11:58 PM --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, Cameron Silver wrote: > > > > it certainly helps you appreciate the PARK over just the RIDES. id > > rather go to a park that offers good rides and good atmosphere > > Which is why I like Indiana Beach so much :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 21:45:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34689 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 05:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 05:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 05:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 05:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 05:45:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:45:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <172.e00ec21.2aa93476@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Elijiah's Chariot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=KfgCPtPD-TJmY5umLxraOMAAhnJQmmQM1eD0NUh98DXWAzU4RA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I remember this, but I don't think we ever heard if the campground=20 paid up. Anyone recall? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@... wrote: > > In a message dated 9/5/2002 2:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > jay@... writes: >=20 > > Well, heck, Josh (and John)--tell us more about it! How did > > it turn out? Did it run according to your expectations? Any > > problems? How did the rolling stock hold up? How did the > > track do? Did you have steel on the track or just bare wood?=20 > > How long did it operate for? How many kids got to ride it?=20 > > So many questions.... :-) > >=20 > > Jay > >=20 >=20 > OK, since John's not on the list anymore that I know of. I'll go=20 ahead and=20 > answer these. >=20 > Well, the ride itself turned out OK. we had some slight problems=20 with the 45=20 > degree banking on the turn. I believe John re-worked it down to=20 about 30=20 > degrees, maybe a little less, and now it is a bit more "terrain- like". >=20 > Also, the guidewheel carrier required a slight re- enforcement/design. The=20 > corners on the aluminum kinda stuck out and tore up the track a=20 bit. we spent=20 > one night till 4 AM making those new ones :) >=20 > Unfortunately, some vandals smashed the breaker box on July 4, so=20 that was=20 > the end of that. >=20 > The rolling stock tracks very well, but we did have a few pivot=20 point=20 > problems with the roll axis pin. too much weight =3D slop in roll=20 axis. John=20 > says he's got that taken care o now though, because the roll axis=20 is designed=20 > slighly like an Arrow looper train now.=20 >=20 > We used "road steel" made of 1/4" plywood cut into 2" strips. When=20 it's set=20 > up permanently, Steel will be used instead. When it's only running=20 for 1=20 > week, why spend the cash.? >=20 > any other questions, shoot.. > I'll get John back on here to answer some questions, too. >=20 > --Josh >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Jan 04 21:48:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19274 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 05:48:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 05:48:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 05:48:10 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so2211243yxh.24 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:48:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.71.16 with SMTP id t16mr9428497aga.1.1231134489765; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:48:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:48:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901042148j15f2e250u5868c5c7f96ebe62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:48:09 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <172.e00ec21.2aa93476@aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Elijiah's Chariot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=C69XxKiMfJu6sK_S-BqZBuA_yUM9B2VNJNgGBOg5hpCrR5AoxA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Nope, they went under shortly thereafter, and all of the wood is still there in a big pile of bents, last I checked with John. Man, those were the days. Josh On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Chris wrote: > I remember this, but I don't think we ever heard if the campground > paid up. Anyone recall? > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@... wrote: >> >> In a message dated 9/5/2002 2:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> jay@... writes: >> >> > Well, heck, Josh (and John)--tell us more about it! How did >> > it turn out? Did it run according to your expectations? Any >> > problems? How did the rolling stock hold up? How did the >> > track do? Did you have steel on the track or just bare wood? >> > How long did it operate for? How many kids got to ride it? >> > So many questions.... :-) >> > >> > Jay >> > >> >> OK, since John's not on the list anymore that I know of. I'll go > ahead and >> answer these. >> >> Well, the ride itself turned out OK. we had some slight problems > with the 45 >> degree banking on the turn. I believe John re-worked it down to > about 30 >> degrees, maybe a little less, and now it is a bit more "terrain- > like". >> >> Also, the guidewheel carrier required a slight re- > enforcement/design. The >> corners on the aluminum kinda stuck out and tore up the track a > bit. we spent >> one night till 4 AM making those new ones :) >> >> Unfortunately, some vandals smashed the breaker box on July 4, so > that was >> the end of that. >> >> The rolling stock tracks very well, but we did have a few pivot > point >> problems with the roll axis pin. too much weight = slop in roll > axis. John >> says he's got that taken care o now though, because the roll axis > is designed >> slighly like an Arrow looper train now. >> >> We used "road steel" made of 1/4" plywood cut into 2" strips. When > it's set >> up permanently, Steel will be used instead. When it's only running > for 1 >> week, why spend the cash.? >> >> any other questions, shoot.. >> I'll get John back on here to answer some questions, too. >> >> --Josh >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 21:51:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90543 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 05:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 05:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 05:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 05:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 05:51:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:51:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901042148j15f2e250u5868c5c7f96ebe62@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Elijiah's Chariot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=hM09Wbga_PQS2RMxsH7JsusBicYtOzE9SG3DoV5Hf09c1SIk-g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Holy cow! Talk about a rapid reply, Josh! Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Nope, they went under shortly thereafter, and all of the wood is=20 still > there in a big pile of bents, last I checked with John. >=20 > Man, those were the days. >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Chris wrote: > > I remember this, but I don't think we ever heard if the campground > > paid up. Anyone recall? > > > > Chris > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@ wrote: > >> > >> In a message dated 9/5/2002 2:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >> jay@ writes: > >> > >> > Well, heck, Josh (and John)--tell us more about it! How did > >> > it turn out? Did it run according to your expectations? Any > >> > problems? How did the rolling stock hold up? How did the > >> > track do? Did you have steel on the track or just bare wood? > >> > How long did it operate for? How many kids got to ride it? > >> > So many questions.... :-) > >> > > >> > Jay > >> > > >> > >> OK, since John's not on the list anymore that I know of. I'll go > > ahead and > >> answer these. > >> > >> Well, the ride itself turned out OK. we had some slight problems > > with the 45 > >> degree banking on the turn. I believe John re-worked it down to > > about 30 > >> degrees, maybe a little less, and now it is a bit more "terrain- > > like". > >> > >> Also, the guidewheel carrier required a slight re- > > enforcement/design. The > >> corners on the aluminum kinda stuck out and tore up the track a > > bit. we spent > >> one night till 4 AM making those new ones :) > >> > >> Unfortunately, some vandals smashed the breaker box on July 4, so > > that was > >> the end of that. > >> > >> The rolling stock tracks very well, but we did have a few pivot > > point > >> problems with the roll axis pin. too much weight =3D slop in roll > > axis. John > >> says he's got that taken care o now though, because the roll axis > > is designed > >> slighly like an Arrow looper train now. > >> > >> We used "road steel" made of 1/4" plywood cut into 2" strips.=20 When > > it's set > >> up permanently, Steel will be used instead. When it's only=20 running > > for 1 > >> week, why spend the cash.? > >> > >> any other questions, shoot.. > >> I'll get John back on here to answer some questions, too. > >> > >> --Josh > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Jan 04 21:52:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76577 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 05:52:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 05:52:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 05:52:42 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so3539032ywr.4 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:52:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.80.18 with SMTP id d18mr9404656agb.19.1231134762094; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:52:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:52:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901042152o15cc2737j87afdf4928d243be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:52:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901042148j15f2e250u5868c5c7f96ebe62@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Elijiah's Chariot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=24IMoKb9sK1JijWAd_ZjJ2bnCFqHaYgTzxir4VN4bsOGkiHuEg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny That's what happens at 1AM, when I've got another 6 hours of work ahead of my by myself. :) I search for any source of human contact I can get... :( On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Chris wrote: > Holy cow! Talk about a rapid reply, Josh! > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" > wrote: >> >> Nope, they went under shortly thereafter, and all of the wood is > still >> there in a big pile of bents, last I checked with John. >> >> Man, those were the days. >> >> Josh >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Chris wrote: >> > I remember this, but I don't think we ever heard if the campground >> > paid up. Anyone recall? >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@ wrote: >> >> >> >> In a message dated 9/5/2002 2:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> >> jay@ writes: >> >> >> >> > Well, heck, Josh (and John)--tell us more about it! How did >> >> > it turn out? Did it run according to your expectations? Any >> >> > problems? How did the rolling stock hold up? How did the >> >> > track do? Did you have steel on the track or just bare wood? >> >> > How long did it operate for? How many kids got to ride it? >> >> > So many questions.... :-) >> >> > >> >> > Jay >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK, since John's not on the list anymore that I know of. I'll go >> > ahead and >> >> answer these. >> >> >> >> Well, the ride itself turned out OK. we had some slight problems >> > with the 45 >> >> degree banking on the turn. I believe John re-worked it down to >> > about 30 >> >> degrees, maybe a little less, and now it is a bit more "terrain- >> > like". >> >> >> >> Also, the guidewheel carrier required a slight re- >> > enforcement/design. The >> >> corners on the aluminum kinda stuck out and tore up the track a >> > bit. we spent >> >> one night till 4 AM making those new ones :) >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, some vandals smashed the breaker box on July 4, so >> > that was >> >> the end of that. >> >> >> >> The rolling stock tracks very well, but we did have a few pivot >> > point >> >> problems with the roll axis pin. too much weight = slop in roll >> > axis. John >> >> says he's got that taken care o now though, because the roll axis >> > is designed >> >> slighly like an Arrow looper train now. >> >> >> >> We used "road steel" made of 1/4" plywood cut into 2" strips. > When >> > it's set >> >> up permanently, Steel will be used instead. When it's only > running >> > for 1 >> >> week, why spend the cash.? >> >> >> >> any other questions, shoot.. >> >> I'll get John back on here to answer some questions, too. >> >> >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > >> > >> > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 12:34:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50725 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 20:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 20:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 20:34:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 20:34:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 20:34:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:34:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=IXCu15e9o0sBM_RPZNc1jTEGRn74dUh4VL9xhAZ9BjvxkNUgYbFa X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Doug wrote: im=20 spoiled in that i can be on any number of quality coasters in 2 hours=20 or less any day of the year. so again going back to the season issue,=20 ill take year round access to Montu in half an hour driving time over 6=20 months access to SROS at SFNE more than 2 hours from me any day!=20 So tell me doug... how close is your closest Intamin? Just teasing... kinda. -Brian From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 12:53:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41945 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 20:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 20:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 20:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 20:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 20:53:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:53:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <833A3DEC-58E4-42A8-B254-9A9AC5182C99@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=eyeVv2flpW89SDpv5HYyHpLM5np_gNwrFp8IcyM-Ia5Pw5H-dGHk X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > Oh come on - Cedar Fair is a far, Far bigger offender of that (lack=20 of theming) than Sex=20=20 > Flags. >=20 > Cameron. Cameron, you always say that. And I believe that you believe it=20 because your home park is SF Great America, easily the best of the SF=20 chain. And I always disagree with you. And I believe that I believe it=20 because my homepark is Cedar Point, easily the best of the CF chain.=20=20 (I do love SFGAm, as it is my original home park.) So originally I was going to just going to say what I wrote above: I=20 am right, you are wrong, agree to disagree, etc. But as I started=20 writing this, I started thinking about it. And I really think that=20 perhaps SF parks do edge out the CF parks, but only by a tiny margin. For the purposes of this discussion,we should leave the Paramount=20 parks out of it, since they were recently inherited. The true flagship CF parks are (IMO) Cedar Point and Knotts Berry=20 Farm. They both have pleasant atmospheres, and are nice parks to=20 just walk around in, even if you are not riding much. The SF flagship parks are (IMO again) Great America and Great=20 Adventure, with SF Over Texas close behind. Again, mostly because=20 they are actually pleasant environments to walk around and spend a=20 day in. (typical crowd not withstanding.) So I would consider those two mostly a draw. But then when it comes=20 to the other, less soulfull parks, we're left with things like SFKK,=20 Valleyfair, SFNE, WoF, etc. None of which would take home any=20 prizes.=20=20 But if we are going by pure theming alone, I guess I would have to=20 give it to SF. As crappy as some of their parks are, they do at=20 least attempt to theme their rides when appropriate. Best examples=20 are the Superman and Batman rides. So therefore, Cameron, you are right. But ask me which of the two=20 companies I would want building a new park in my neighborhood, and my=20 answer would still be Cedar Fair, hands down. Overall I think that=20 while they may not offer an overall superior product, they operate it=20 far better. I'll take efficient ride operations and cleanliness over=20 a cardboard Superman cutout any day. -Brian From voicerodeo@gmail.com Mon Jan 05 13:59:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: voicerodeo@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55793 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 21:59:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 21:59:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.169) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 21:59:41 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so10061721wfg.7 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:59:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.3.4 with SMTP id f4mr8846812wfi.146.1231192781291; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:59:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from LewisMobile (70-1-235-56.pools.spcsdns.net [70.1.235.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm49261096wfa.41.2009.01.05.13.59.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:59:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <0CB6150C095046958075F6E51CE9E838@LewisMobile> To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:59:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "VoiceRodeo Gmail" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243189263; y=r1o8k7b3zrkw-qeYXYMKsIPvIncl6tqL1nV0Dfo8l5YTZSpC0g X-Yahoo-Profile: voicerodeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit okay.. I rarely get into these conversations, but now I guess I will As to PURELY THEMING, I would say Knotts Berry Farm and Six Flags Magic Mountain are probably the best in the country hands down. Of course, Magic Mountain didnt start out as a Six Flags park, and Knotts didnt start out as a Cedar Fair park.. .they were bought along the way. Six Flags Great America in Gurnee was also not an original Six Flags park.. but originally one of the Marriotts Great America (what they GA parks were before Paramount bought them). Honestly, to me that park has no theming at all. That park and the Great America park in Santa Clara both remind me of a parking lot that they threw roller coasters into... and then added stuff around them. (no flaming please.. just my personal opinion). I do feel that SFGA has come a long way to add some theming based on the rides themselves, but I dont feel an over theming of the park exists. I always felt that Kings Island did a pretty good job at overall theming (as well as ride theming). While Kings Dominion (same company built both) was a lot less on theming, but had a good little park (although they did have a Lion Country Safari when they first opened). The Six Flags Texas has fairly decent theming of the park. Astroworld always had good theming, but again, not an original Six Flags park, it was bought by them. Six Flags Georgia is pretty good (or at least was the last time I was there.. in about 1987 or 1988.. been a while since have been to that park). Busch Gardens Olde World in Williamsburg also has great theming... now that I think about it, probably one of the best.... and of course Disney theming cant be beat, but most of the people on this group dont count Disney in this world (again, no flaming please). ----- Original Message ----- From: tommytheduck To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) > Oh come on - Cedar Fair is a far, Far bigger offender of that (lack of theming) than Sex > Flags. > > Cameron. Cameron, you always say that. And I believe that you believe it because your home park is SF Great America, easily the best of the SF chain. And I always disagree with you. And I believe that I believe it because my homepark is Cedar Point, easily the best of the CF chain. (I do love SFGAm, as it is my original home park.) So originally I was going to just going to say what I wrote above: I am right, you are wrong, agree to disagree, etc. But as I started writing this, I started thinking about it. And I really think that perhaps SF parks do edge out the CF parks, but only by a tiny margin. For the purposes of this discussion,we should leave the Paramount parks out of it, since they were recently inherited. The true flagship CF parks are (IMO) Cedar Point and Knotts Berry Farm. They both have pleasant atmospheres, and are nice parks to just walk around in, even if you are not riding much. The SF flagship parks are (IMO again) Great America and Great Adventure, with SF Over Texas close behind. Again, mostly because they are actually pleasant environments to walk around and spend a day in. (typical crowd not withstanding.) So I would consider those two mostly a draw. But then when it comes to the other, less soulfull parks, we're left with things like SFKK, Valleyfair, SFNE, WoF, etc. None of which would take home any prizes. But if we are going by pure theming alone, I guess I would have to give it to SF. As crappy as some of their parks are, they do at least attempt to theme their rides when appropriate. Best examples are the Superman and Batman rides. So therefore, Cameron, you are right. But ask me which of the two companies I would want building a new park in my neighborhood, and my answer would still be Cedar Fair, hands down. Overall I think that while they may not offer an overall superior product, they operate it far better. I'll take efficient ride operations and cleanliness over a cardboard Superman cutout any day. -Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 05 15:06:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10297 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 23:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 23:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.235) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 23:06:52 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so8771297rvb.59 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:06:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.230.7 with SMTP id c7mr8865930wfh.251.1231196811557; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:06:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:06:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:06:51 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <833A3DEC-58E4-42A8-B254-9A9AC5182C99@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Aql8x8ZD4J-EcksEvkH3bqUQ9BfLwacF7Qv8BXU76oKcyCxfNSVU8sw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> Oh come on - Cedar Fair is a far, Far bigger offender of that (lack >> of theming) than Sex >> Flags. Oops!! (How did I miss that in the original post?? :) ) > For the purposes of this discussion,we should leave the Paramount > parks out of it, since they were recently inherited. Agreed. CF hasn't had enough time to ruin them yet. ;) > But then when it comes > to the other, less soulfull parks, we're left with things like SFKK, > Valleyfair, SFNE, WoF, etc. None of which would take home any > prizes. Well, let's break it down a bit... CEDAR FAIR PARKS Dorney Park - more than any other park, I think it's Dorney that earns Cedar Fair it's "soulless" reputation. Exibit A: http://www.coasterimage.com/pictures/dorney-park-pictures/rides-attractions-pictures/meteor-pictures/02.jpg.php Exibit B: http://rcdb.com/ig735.htm?picture=4 Loooooooots of concrete, and not a whole lot else going on. There are admittedly a few nice areas (near Thunderhawk and the flume, for instance) but they're pretty few and far between. Michigan's Adventure - Awful, awful, awful. Cedar Fair isn't completely at fault because most (all?) of the trees were gone before they took over anyway, but they haven't done much to help the situation. It's just been a lot of that sterile, same-old Cedar Fair landscaping (shrubs & small trees in dark-red woodchip beds). Valleyfair - Still has some nice areas, mainly in places that Cedar Fair hasn't touched in recent years. The rest, though, looks like this: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g244/mattwagner22/PA060876.jpg . Ick. Worlds of Fun - I haven't been, but I've heard it's a nice park overall. One still wonders what happened to all the trees in some areas (http://rcdb.com/ig469.htm?picture=3) or why plain rock (http://rcdb.com/ig653.htm?picture=1) and woodchips (http://www.rcdb.com/ig2572.htm?picture=1) are considered "landscaping", but it does seem like one of the chain's more wooded parks. SIX FLAGS PARKS America - Haven't been. I know it has an idiotic layout with the same "rides in a field" problem that I pointed out with WoF (http://www.rcdb.com/ig699.htm?picture=6). Still, the park seems to have some really nicely-themed areas (http://www.sfafans.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=922), and you can't deny that their mainstreet is pretty well done (http://www.sfafans.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=101 and http://www.sfafans.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=101) Discovery Kingdom - Haven't been. Everything I've seen of the park (aside from the placement of Medusa, Kong, and Tony Hawk over parking lot and rock) looks very nice, especially the new theming they've dumped in over the past couple of years. Fiesta - This is truly a beautiful park, with nice theming throughout. Probably one of the three nicest SF parks, IMo. (http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/images/1-022.jpg) Kentucky - Gross. It's really just a tragic park in that nothing seems to have been done to it in several years. The larger section is built in a large field with little landscaping save for the nice area around the shoot the chutes. The front section has a lot of plants & trees, but it was looking awfully overgrown the last time I was there. Magic Mountain - I haven't visited in over ten years, but if it's anything like I remember, there are nice areas and some not-so-nice ones. Some of it's pretty barren (Gotham City, for instance) but the mountain is nice, and it still had a lot of the original theming. Mexico - No clue. New England - Again, an extremely well-done park overall. Nice theming throughout, and (for the most part) some really nice landscaping. ( http://www.sfne.com/photos/park/main/09.jpg and http://www.sfne.com/photos/rides/shipwreck/03.jpg ) Georgia - I have not been but it seems to be a cross between Texas and St Louis (wooded & fairly well themed). Texas - It's cramped and parts of it are a bit run down, but there's a lot of intact theming. It's a bit quirky, and it feels like one of those big 70's theme parks (ala Cedar Point). It could probably be really nice with some money for new landscaping and some touching up of the theming. St. Louis - Nicely wooded. A few decently themed areas (Studio Backlot, Britannia) and some pretty waterfalls down the hillside make it a pretty pleasant park, IMO. So there you have it. Draw your own conclusions from my own observations. I don't necessarily feel that one park chain does "more" or "less" upkeep, theming, or landscaping. However, I do think the two chains take a very different approach to landscaping styles. I just happen to greatly prefer Six Flags (more wild, more varied, more wooded) to Cedar Fair (clean lines, neat & orderly flower beds & shrubs, hanging baskets, etc). -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 05 16:20:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20937 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 00:20:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 00:20:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.232) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 00:20:53 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so9461812rvb.7 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:20:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.42.6 with SMTP id u6mr8901335wfj.121.1231201252682; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:20:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:20:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:20:52 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0CB6150C095046958075F6E51CE9E838@LewisMobile> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0CB6150C095046958075F6E51CE9E838@LewisMobile> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=6AEmA7IxM02K5DFlt4wSaBDBwH0XMRAwKj_hx4wIkM1jJx3wAniwoUw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > As to PURELY THEMING, I would say Knotts Berry Farm and Six Flags Magic > Mountain are probably the best in the country hands down. Seriously? I can think of at least a dozen parks in this country that are better themed than SFMM. Knott's and Magic Mountain may be well themed, but the best in the country? That seems like a stretch to me. > Six Flags Great America in Gurnee was also not an original Six Flags park.. > but originally one of the Marriotts Great America (what they GA parks were > before Paramount bought them). Paramount only bought the park in California. The Illinois traded hands a few times before becoming a SF park. Honestly, to me that park has no theming at > all. That park and the Great America park in Santa Clara both remind me of a > parking lot that they threw roller coasters into... and then added stuff > around them. The Marriot parks were theme parks to begin with. They both opened with six themed areas, with rides, landscaping, and architecture designed to reflect those themes. Nearly all of this has been removed from the Santa Clara park, but the Chicago park has retained a good portion of it. They were never immersive themes like you'd find at Disney, but they are about on the level of what you'd see at something like, say, Magic Mountain (wink wink). Call me crazy, but I fail to see how any of these pics reflect a parking lot with "rides and stuff" thrown in: http://sfgamworld.com/gallery/v/SFGAm/flat-rides/Columbia/Columbia_1.jpg.html http://www.coasterimage.com/pictures/six-flags-great-america-pictures/park-photos/02.jpg.php http://www.coasterimage.com/pictures/six-flags-great-america-pictures/park-photos/04.jpg.php And, while I can't seem to find any good pictures of it, Hometown Square is quite beautiful! -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 16:25:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13311 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 00:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 00:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 00:25:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70243 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2009 00:25:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ivm.yKIVM1m6dQ0dgnFtxlXYaRtD6zmqCBusChL9NIYACJ0RW0JIFfvStsrHVcX0A3wMyhju9ysTD3V0KyXW9Td06OFu6HLKEv49.gZXK22yG1yhXBgpJUniwQQKSDPTTtMTSw_s9XIThcvEyXf4x.BPs3r65p7mmL6EUAJgqukzp8o- X-Received: from [72.79.229.79] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:25:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:25:09 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1231173443.3128.24928.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <729800.69915.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=524M8CM88-Qhpl2TxVuywlB5F59iB8-rkdO8LjtENZxmtRsJ5iik X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > However now in my mid twenties I really enjoy parks rich with culture, history, and uniqueness. < Ah, vindication is sweet! :-) This is why I keep saying that Six Flags' strategy has been misguided. You former teenagers will eventually have kids of your own. *You* will decide where to take them on family outings. And you'll probably choose family-friendly parks that have the atmosphere you enjoy. Unless the TItanic is able to right itself, you probably won't choose Six Flags. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jan 05 17:08:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39889 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 01:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 01:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:08:37 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j78so7350106rne.15 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:08:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.99.3 with SMTP id w3mr9930196agb.27.1231204116776; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:08:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:08:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901051708t52da2211w46141f3711cf8fa9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:08:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <833A3DEC-58E4-42A8-B254-9A9AC5182C99@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=xMtk3HeASLosTKj-veZ6aLIdKvrAFC-Vu-0PS3VVp2Gsx_y_Hw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny That may be why I've never had a problem with most (I said MOST) Cedar Fair parks. I'm more of a fan of clean lines, modern/contemporary design and accents rather than the flowery, overly ornate victorian/colonial stuff. One of the reasons I picked Caribbean Beach over (not quite modern, but not quite...) Port Orleans at WDW - PO seems very old fashioned and almost like a bed and breakfast, which I just don't feel as comfortable in. Don't get me wrong, though - that stuff is beautiful and I can appreciate it, but I'm more of a fan of contemporary/modern/clean/etc... Josh On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >>> Oh come on - Cedar Fair is a far, Far bigger offender of that (lack >>> of theming) than Sex >>> Flags. > > Oops!! (How did I miss that in the original post?? :) ) > >> For the purposes of this discussion,we should leave the Paramount >> parks out of it, since they were recently inherited. > > Agreed. CF hasn't had enough time to ruin them yet. ;) > >> But then when it comes >> to the other, less soulfull parks, we're left with things like SFKK, >> Valleyfair, SFNE, WoF, etc. None of which would take home any >> prizes. > > Well, let's break it down a bit... > > CEDAR FAIR PARKS > Dorney Park - more than any other park, I think it's Dorney that earns > Cedar Fair it's "soulless" reputation. Exibit A: > http://www.coasterimage.com/pictures/dorney-park-pictures/rides-attractions-pictures/meteor-pictures/02.jpg.php > Exibit B: http://rcdb.com/ig735.htm?picture=4 > > Loooooooots of concrete, and not a whole lot else going on. There are > admittedly a few nice areas (near Thunderhawk and the flume, for > instance) but they're pretty few and far between. > > Michigan's Adventure - Awful, awful, awful. Cedar Fair isn't > completely at fault because most (all?) of the trees were gone before > they took over anyway, but they haven't done much to help the > situation. It's just been a lot of that sterile, same-old Cedar Fair > landscaping (shrubs & small trees in dark-red woodchip beds). > > Valleyfair - Still has some nice areas, mainly in places that Cedar > Fair hasn't touched in recent years. The rest, though, looks like > this: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g244/mattwagner22/PA060876.jpg > . Ick. > > Worlds of Fun - I haven't been, but I've heard it's a nice park > overall. One still wonders what happened to all the trees in some > areas (http://rcdb.com/ig469.htm?picture=3) or why plain rock > (http://rcdb.com/ig653.htm?picture=1) and woodchips > (http://www.rcdb.com/ig2572.htm?picture=1) are considered > "landscaping", but it does seem like one of the chain's more wooded > parks. > > SIX FLAGS PARKS > > America - Haven't been. I know it has an idiotic layout with the same > "rides in a field" problem that I pointed out with WoF > (http://www.rcdb.com/ig699.htm?picture=6). Still, the park seems to > have some really nicely-themed areas > (http://www.sfafans.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=922), and you > can't deny that their mainstreet is pretty well done > (http://www.sfafans.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=101 and > http://www.sfafans.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=101) > > Discovery Kingdom - Haven't been. Everything I've seen of the park > (aside from the placement of Medusa, Kong, and Tony Hawk over parking > lot and rock) looks very nice, especially the new theming they've > dumped in over the past couple of years. > > Fiesta - This is truly a beautiful park, with nice theming throughout. > Probably one of the three nicest SF parks, IMo. > (http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/images/1-022.jpg) > > Kentucky - Gross. It's really just a tragic park in that nothing > seems to have been done to it in several years. The larger section is > built in a large field with little landscaping save for the nice area > around the shoot the chutes. The front section has a lot of plants & > trees, but it was looking awfully overgrown the last time I was there. > > Magic Mountain - I haven't visited in over ten years, but if it's > anything like I remember, there are nice areas and some not-so-nice > ones. Some of it's pretty barren (Gotham City, for instance) but the > mountain is nice, and it still had a lot of the original theming. > > Mexico - No clue. > > New England - Again, an extremely well-done park overall. Nice > theming throughout, and (for the most part) some really nice > landscaping. ( http://www.sfne.com/photos/park/main/09.jpg and > http://www.sfne.com/photos/rides/shipwreck/03.jpg ) > > Georgia - I have not been but it seems to be a cross between Texas and > St Louis (wooded & fairly well themed). > > Texas - It's cramped and parts of it are a bit run down, but there's a > lot of intact theming. It's a bit quirky, and it feels like one of > those big 70's theme parks (ala Cedar Point). It could probably be > really nice with some money for new landscaping and some touching up > of the theming. > > St. Louis - Nicely wooded. A few decently themed areas (Studio > Backlot, Britannia) and some pretty waterfalls down the hillside make > it a pretty pleasant park, IMO. > > So there you have it. Draw your own conclusions from my own > observations. I don't necessarily feel that one park chain does > "more" or "less" upkeep, theming, or landscaping. However, I do think > the two chains take a very different approach to landscaping styles. > I just happen to greatly prefer Six Flags (more wild, more varied, > more wooded) to Cedar Fair (clean lines, neat & orderly flower beds & > shrubs, hanging baskets, etc). > > -Nate > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 05 18:28:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32184 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 02:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 02:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 02:28:44 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so7751626wfc.6 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:28:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.147.15 with SMTP id u15mr5572715wfd.205.1231208924128; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:28:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:28:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:28:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901051708t52da2211w46141f3711cf8fa9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <833A3DEC-58E4-42A8-B254-9A9AC5182C99@buzzneon.com> <76e1ec0a0901051708t52da2211w46141f3711cf8fa9@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=psflEIqJ6-f_IBb6I_g3GINP1t6N2Z62X_c2R_R1jdxTa1i_UuukeQk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > That may be why I've never had a problem with most (I said MOST) Cedar > Fair parks. I'm more of a fan of clean lines, modern/contemporary > design and accents rather than the flowery, overly ornate > victorian/colonial stuff. Oh no, that's not the difference. I'd never describe the Six Flags landscaping as overly ornate or victorial/colonial. If anything, that's Cedar Fair's thing (aside from SF's few colonial themed areas). Let's put it this way - Six Flags landscapes like you'd landscape a vacation cabin or lake home. Cedar Fair landscapes like you'd landscape your front yard if you lived in a planned suburban development. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 08:40:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89868 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 16:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 16:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 16:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 16:40:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.107] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 16:40:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:40:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=PdMMOgGCUuTlyTqBCA67mQov26aoBougNtY4AzVbEi6IMCu5j8ryt1YcHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > So tell me doug... how close is your closest Intamin? who cares? i got B&Ms. who needs Intamin? From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 09:23:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39323 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 17:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 17:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 17:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 17:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 17:22:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:22:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=hMjTF8-YZ3XHnFD6qMnzwDsMMN1QlVo1SrIkeUN-ubjX3FC38u4pGyvH6w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > As to PURELY THEMING, I would say Knotts Berry Farm and Six Flags=20 Magic > > Mountain are probably the best in the country hands down. >=20 > Seriously? I can think of at least a dozen parks in this country that > are better themed than SFMM. Knott's and Magic Mountain may be well > themed, but the best in the country? That seems like a stretch to me. yeah i kinda hoped i was reading that wrong. perhaps hes just comparing=20 SF parks to CF parks? if not then yeah, i can think of a lot of other=20 parks that look better. the Disney, Univeral and Busch parks are all=20 top notch as far as themeing goes. at least i think so.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 10:31:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30808 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 18:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 18:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 18:31:14 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so3141047ana.19 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:31:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.224.5 with SMTP id w5mr744808wfg.206.1231266673618; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:31:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:31:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:31:13 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=g5g65htBRBkY0Lyfn_eSj8AZFx4-pjsocXtvFJz8GYhBtZz9BYlX9qc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > who cares? i got B&Ms. who needs Intamin? People who want something more than a family ride? :) -Nate From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 11:01:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46208 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 19:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 19:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 19:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 19:01:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:01:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <803663.98808.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.138.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=vC29RnHVDfxDf8s5XrmlQ--pYtrerhReoPTu_eHuJmsf9ODvuK_I X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bryanna Williams=20 wrote: > > Hello,=20 >=20 > I'm from New Jersey and I agree with Wiley. > As a teen it was all about parks with the biggest coasters like > SFGA or Dorney Park. However now in my mid twenties I really enjoy > parks rich with culture, history, and uniqueness. For that reason > Coney island NYC is one of my favorite amusement park=20 destinations.=20=20=20 > I understand that soon it will be renovated and expanded > to include all year round entertainment and amusement facilities.=20 So=20 > with that said I look forward to a bigger and better Coney Island.=20 >=20 > Warmest regards, >=20 > Kema >=20 As a fellow Jerseyan, albeit twenty years older than yourself, I'm=20 sort of in between the two extremes. El Toro is my favorite ride, but=20 I seek out smaller parks as well as large ones. My hoped for trip=20 this June will be to the older, smaller parks of PA....Waldameer,=20 Lakemont, Idlewild, maybe one or two others. Places like Kennywood=20 and Hershey, I love, because they truly strike a balance, combining=20 new technology with old-fashioned charm. Speaking of charm, I took my=20 annual "Winter Comfort" jaunt to Seaside this past Sunday..Sat under=20 the pier/coaster on the beach, rode the carousel, had a=20 cheesesteak..nice day. Coney bigger and better? Based on what I've read, I'm not holding my=20 breath. Ever feel like getting together in Jersey, drop me a note...I'm in=20 Bayonne...I don't think there's many Jersey folks on here... Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From shine_kema@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 12:27:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: shine_kema@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28737 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 20:27:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 20:27:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.245) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 20:27:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31620 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2009 20:27:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0dq2qLIVM1lS313wGTpKo.wzLnDzdE14jWhMN8BfvNuWGfRgICZkGR7RjjNv6NWq2myArfv21DGu.tKLyL2MTrK1I7rsAJgpG6MSDP_z0VGLjOUE.o84H59gWr7d_op2zV.9nml5vtSm6SdI10afvMSLHIMnIJDpZi2f8oZgFOyfsfVJ3KTcEkC6dbTmnAV1nG9yX4k4UAjP1A4hjYdzi_HOuHrWvL_Y6oOjtZ1Y X-Received: from [63.116.10.137] by web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:27:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1156.77 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:27:25 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <579234.31119.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bryanna Williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=301879310; y=EBkOInEh6sVkqJTuQIZJd958FBqlc6CRHAda3W2kEmYtqvZ_PQ X-Yahoo-Profile: shine_kema Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 Hi Mike,=20 =A0 I am from the NJ metro area too and it=92s great to know that another membe= r from this group is in my area. =A0 =A0 Firstly, I feel very hopeful for the Ol=92e Coney Island, in my opinion it = can only get better=85=85lol. If anything I believe that there is much more= attention drawn to Coney Island, NYC when compared to the poorly neglected= Asbury Park, NJ.=A0 With regards to the annual =93Winter Comfort=94 at Sea= side, I=92m surprised that the carousel was even open. I heard that the Pol= ar Bear Club was down the shore last weekend. Is that why some rides were o= pen?=20 =A0 Anyways, I love El Toro my first encounter was in the back seat of the last= train *whoa* I was terrified. That ride never let up, it is truly breathta= king (literally).=20 By the way, I would like to meet up with you so keep in touch. =A0 Warmest regards, =A0 Kema ________________________________ From: Mike Gallagher To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 2:01:24 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, Bryanna Williams=20 wrote: > > Hello,=20 >=20 > I'm from New Jersey and I agree with Wiley. > As a teen it was all about parks with the biggest coasters like > SFGA or Dorney Park. However now in my mid twenties I really enjoy > parks rich with culture, history, and uniqueness. For that reason > Coney island NYC is one of my favorite amusement park=20 destinations.=20 > I understand that soon it will be renovated and expanded > to include all year round entertainment and amusement facilities.=20 So=20 > with that said I look forward to a bigger and better Coney Island.=20 >=20 > Warmest regards, >=20 > Kema >=20 As a fellow Jerseyan, albeit twenty years older than yourself, I'm=20 sort of in between the two extremes. El Toro is my favorite ride, but=20 I seek out smaller parks as well as large ones. My hoped for trip=20 this June will be to the older, smaller parks of PA....Waldameer,=20 Lakemont, Idlewild, maybe one or two others. Places like Kennywood=20 and Hershey, I love, because they truly strike a balance, combining=20 new technology with old-fashioned charm. Speaking of charm, I took my=20 annual "Winter Comfort" jaunt to Seaside this past Sunday..Sat under=20 the pier/coaster on the beach, rode the carousel, had a=20 cheesesteak. .nice day. Coney bigger and better? Based on what I've read, I'm not holding my=20 breath. Ever feel like getting together in Jersey, drop me a note...I'm in=20 Bayonne...I don't think there's many Jersey folks on here... Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 13:39:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27866 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 21:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 21:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 21:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 21:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 21:39:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:39:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=yaKUQEzTPuxF1p1i767AXW4bRxoEQcwPx15ItFiUUcCkEzNhEyZq X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > Let's put it this way - Six Flags landscapes like you'd landscape a > vacation cabin or lake home. Cedar Fair landscapes like you'd > landscape your front yard if you lived in a planned suburban > development. >=20 > -Nate Yeah, Nate, that sounds about right... -Brian From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 13:42:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17712 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 21:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 21:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 21:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 21:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.112] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2009 21:42:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:42:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=zdmJIVr0S3gFf4JrgzT9sIDoy1Zu_d4dwWCrmWyDjRXxKHGOwMpz X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck The second part of my original post was this: If it was announced that a new park was to be built in your area, which=20 of the two companies would you want to own and operate it, Cedar Fair,=20 or Six Flags? I choose Cedar Fair hands down. -Brian From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jan 06 14:15:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43085 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 22:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 22:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 22:15:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24193 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 22:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Jan 2009 22:15:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4963D780.3080603@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:13:20 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=KSaivfLYB5FMBpgOUFUaz7MNRxROzWwL5IHxEZrDnaynQdy5 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Cameron, you always say that. And I believe that you believe it > because your home park is SF Great America, easily the best of the SF > chain. Actually, the last few years I have been quite down on Six Flags Great America. The new owners (of Six Flags) have done virtually nothing with the park - which makes sense since there's no competition, but it still gives me little reason to go there. In 2008 I visited only twice (it's a 40 minute drive), but I went to Indiana Beach probably 7 or so times (2.5 hour drive). And for the record, I don't need a new coaster every year .. just something more substantial than the stupid wiggles and a splash battle. > And I always disagree with you. And I believe that I believe it > because my homepark is Cedar Point, easily the best of the CF chain. But that's my point - I find Cedar Point completely awful. None of the rides there really entertain me that much (I've yet to ride Maverick), I find the atmosphere manufactured, and they totally and utterly fail to use their location. I mean it's surrounded by water on three sides, yet all you ever see is concrete. The nicest McDonalds in the chain is still a McDonalds. Of the Six Flags parks I've been to (Great America, St Louis, Magic Mountain, New England, Kentucky Kingdom, Darien Lake, America) I can only say that I disliked KK and DL. However every Cedar Fair park I've been to just makes my soul hurt (Cedar Point, Knott's, Valleyfair, Michigan's Adventure) .. I should point out that I've never had a bad visit to Michigan's Adventure, but that's due mostly to the company. I also simply don't like Cedar Fair because they have done nothing to improve or advance the industry. All other chains have introduced new concepts and taken risks, while Cedar Fair just sits back and does nothing. Sure it's fine from a business standpoint, but I'm a customer not an investor. (Granted, Six Flags got out of control and are now struggling for survival - but that's another issue). First suspended coaster: BAT at Kings Island First inverted coaster: Batman The Ride at SFGAm First loop: SFMM First Inversion: Knott's Launch (various formats): Paramount (typically Kings Dominion) Immersive theming: Busch, Disney, Universal First Standup: Paramount First floorless: Six Flags (if you don't consider this "new", I won't object!) First vertical drop: Alton Towers First Flying: Paramount 4D: Six Flags Building taller versions of existing ride types just doesn't cut it either, even if they tack on some moronic marketing term like "strata" or "zizza". That's why I didn't include the Deja Vu's, even though I think that was a risk worth taking. Brian you said that if a new park were being built near you that you'd want it to be Cedar Fair (if the only other choice was Six Flags) - obviously that's your opinion, and it doesn't affect me at all - but I am honestly and truly baffled by it :) I guess when it really comes down to it my preference for Six Flags is only ever-so-slightly higher than that of Cedar Fair anyway - I just don't understand the blind Cedar Fair loyalty. There's another board I'm on, which is still firmly stuck in the "CEDAR FAIR IS THE BEST PLACE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE" camp, and it's irritating beyond belief. These people aren't even willing to discuss it, and I find myself posting there less and less. It's the same with Cubs fans .. I like the team, and I don't mind other people who like the team, but stereotypical "Cubs Fans" are the most annoying people on the planet. It's getting to the point where the term "Cubs Fan" is becoming an insult! Anyway take this however you will. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, or change anyone's mind .. just outline my own views on the matter, since I do think this is an interesting conversation. Cameron. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 16:29:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29183 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 00:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 00:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 00:29:21 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so2394424ywe.67 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.98.13 with SMTP id v13mr10567700agb.112.1231288160585; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:29:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:29:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Rg8b1NQyztKlUMtePhx7bI8fak1g9jMPSUud--bZ7UG1X7mvJA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Boring & Mundane? Honestly, the only one worth raving about in FL is Kumba. I'd make the trek from Disney to BGA just for that, if the mood struck. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" > > wrote: >> So tell me doug... how close is your closest Intamin? > > who cares? i got B&Ms. who needs Intamin? > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 17:30:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64718 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 01:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 01:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:30:36 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2662944yxb.63 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:30:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.20.70 with SMTP id e6mr830349ibb.16.1231291836097; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:30:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:30:36 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901061730r67d9b902s60615bfabf437ab@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=ctTX5SwfqJT3YlYhjYNrLukfPtMSL1eYlV-JoEzns7DAxYs X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I've never been to BGA but dueling dragons was fantastic on the handful of rides I got. Hulk was a snooze fest. I'd still take any of my favorite intamins over any of my favorite B&Ms any day of the week though. I can't believe I'm going to marry a girl that likes nitro better than SROS. At least she likes El Toro better than both of them. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Josh W wrote: > Boring & Mundane? > > Honestly, the only one worth raving about in FL is Kumba. I'd make the > trek from Disney to BGA just for that, if the mood struck. > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Doug Nelson wrote: >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" >> >> wrote: >>> So tell me doug... how close is your closest Intamin? >> >> who cares? i got B&Ms. who needs Intamin? >> >> > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Jan 06 17:34:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44463 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 01:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 01:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 01:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.112] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 01:34:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:34:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=MUF9HZJhCqhy46O7lOvIfy5TWInw2oBu7ipJAtRK2p4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > So therefore, Cameron, you are right. But ask me which of the two=20 > companies I would want building a new park in my neighborhood, and=20 my=20 > answer would still be Cedar Fair, hands down. Overall I think that=20 > while they may not offer an overall superior product, they operate=20 it=20 > far better. I'll take efficient ride operations and cleanliness=20 over=20 > a cardboard Superman cutout any day. >=20 > -Brian > I am going to not rail about the recaR for this post. That point=20 alone should be enough to point out the failure of operational skill=20 of Cedar Fair. I am going to make this personal. I had a "Max Pass" from Kings Island just after the buyout. It=20 was like a platinum pass now. Anything at any Cedar Fair park. My=20 friend drags me to roller coaster hell (Cedar Point) ever year. It=20 was October. We had to wait on line to park. The guy at the stand=20 where you pay to park seemed confused by the pass but let us park. We=20 parked. I waited in line with my friend for him to buy his ticket=20 (That was my fault). We wait in line to get into the park (Why are=20 there two lines?). After he gets to the head of the line I hand my=20 pass to the girl. "I can't take that, you have to go to guest relations." I go to guest relations, and wait in line. At the head of this=20 line I am told to write my name on a pad. I do so, expecting to be=20 let in through the little buzzer door I see. "Stick out your hand."=20 My hand gets stamped with a "re-entry" stamp. "Enter the park at the=20 re-entry line." I wait in my fourth line of the day (not counting the one I was=20 waiting with my friend). JUST TO GET INTO THE PARK. Is this the park operation you are touting. I mean really? I am treated well at Kings Island. Most of the staff at least nod at=20 my pass when I show it to get in. One time as I was walking to a=20 locker to stow my helmet and riding suit, a guest relations worker=20 chased me down and asked if they could hold onto my stuff in the guest=20 relations office! All the changes that Cedar Fair has made at the=20 park are for the worse. After having such a good thoughts about the=20 staff at KI. I get the opposite at CP, they treat you like they are=20 doing you a favor for letting you into the park. Valleyfair and=20 Worlds of Fun both had very nice people and I like both parks but I=20 can also tell that Cedar Fair has done damage to both of those. I am=20 not saying Six Flags is good. It is just not hard to be better then a=20 company that seems to be trying to make me hate them. jjloj From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Jan 06 17:43:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79140 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 01:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 01:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 01:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 01:43:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:43:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4963D780.3080603@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=OBxOzAVPrfVDfJoaaqPwKEjRZUn9dcdcTeMtpG6cLqk X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > "Cubs Fan" is becoming an insult! >=20 > Anyway take this however you will. I'm not trying to argue with=20 anyone,=20 > or change anyone's mind .. just outline my own views on the matter,=20 > since I do think this is an interesting conversation. >=20 > Cameron. > I agree with this whole post! I would like to add "Beetles Fan" to the list of insults... jjloj From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 18:11:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77828 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:11:55 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so2579384ywt.33 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:11:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.53.4 with SMTP id b4mr10607315aga.88.1231294314878; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:11:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:11:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901061811k458254a6u6bd4337d1740807@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:11:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0901061730r67d9b902s60615bfabf437ab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0901061730r67d9b902s60615bfabf437ab@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=iEf2vvFrSODfI9_IDZdFxfKLqCt0anw-x7t3Ow-nlvoEZrsXEA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Yeah, Dragons is pretty good, too - still not up to Kumba standards, though. I mean, they're all fun down there, but I'll take an Intamin any day of the week. Josh On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > I've never been to BGA but dueling dragons was fantastic on the > handful of rides I got. Hulk was a snooze fest. > > I'd still take any of my favorite intamins over any of my favorite > B&Ms any day of the week though. I can't believe I'm going to marry a > girl that likes nitro better than SROS. At least she likes El Toro > better than both of them. > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Josh W wrote: >> Boring & Mundane? >> >> Honestly, the only one worth raving about in FL is Kumba. I'd make the >> trek from Disney to BGA just for that, if the mood struck. >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Doug Nelson >> wrote: >>> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" >>> >>> wrote: >>>> So tell me doug... how close is your closest Intamin? >>> >>> who cares? i got B&Ms. who needs Intamin? >>> >>> >> > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 18:14:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12006 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:14:26 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2250947yxg.45 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:14:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.141 with SMTP id g13mr830809iba.38.1231294465563; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:14:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4963D780.3080603@buzzneon.com> References: <4963D780.3080603@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901061814v75976f23we45ee037abf99804@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=QRifG-x7m24jrw7lazaq1KNvTCajM0DdJXTOajzO0fHjUII X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I'm not going to respond to the topic point by point, but there are a few things I'd like to weigh in on. Overall, I feel like I enjoy cedar fair parks more than Six Flags. This is probably because Cedar Fair parks are more of a novelty to me. I grew up with a six flags park within driving distance, and when I was old enough to drive we got another one in Six Flags New England. I need to point out that all of the landscaping photos that were posted in this topic in regards to SFNE were in the park before it was branded. The Six Flags additions have been horrible, with the DC area and the Batman area (which isn't even in the DC area, how does that make any sense?). Poison ivy is themed to overgrown weeds. Aside from the natural beuty of the disgusting CT River, there is nothing of note in the whole area. Ship Wreck Falls and Crack Axle Canyon were well done, but that is the only section in the entire park I would say that about. The rest is pretty gross aside from the nice views of the surrounding landscape. Sadly though, the rides never interact with this landscape. How much better would SROS be if they filled in that ditch near the turn around http://rcdb.com/ig628.htm?picture=2 and put a fountain in? I'm really hoping that comes with the retheme, but it probably wont. I counldnt find a good picture of the ditch, but I only tried RCDB. Great Adventure was a beautiful park until the mid to late 90s. It really hit rock bottom around 2003-2004, and now some care is being put into making it nice again. The difference for me between the two chains is that the nice parts of Six Flags can be better than the nicer parts in Cedar Fair parks. And aside from Cedar Point, most of these were there long before either chain jumped on board. The difference for me is in the crappy, ugly parts of the park. I much prefer the crappy parts of the cedar fair parks to the crappy parts of the six flags parts. The entire boardwalk area of SFGAdv is horrible in any kind of heat or sun. There is no shade, at all, anywhere. Same goes for the mind eraser/batman side of SFNE. I've been to a bunch more, including the dreadful yet pleasantly cheap for a season pass (and season pass renuals) SFKK and the terrible transition year where SFO existed. SFGAm is a really great park, even better overall than SFGAdv if only for the lack of a section giving off the same feel as the boardwalk. SFStl was really great and I wish I got to see more of the park than the 1/2 I did, but the Mr. Freeze area was gross aside from having an awesome freaking coaster. I really love Cedar Point. Cedar Point is my favorite big park. There is so much to do, there is such a wide variety of coasters, such a wide variety of flat rides, and such a variety of feeling between the different sections. The themeing is not great, but it's still beautiful and pristine feeling. I dont get the same overwhelming smack of advertisement and money grubbing that I do at six flags. That might be the biggest difference for me. I feel like I get value at CF and shaken upside down over a vacuum at SF. I also really enjoy Dorney Park. I get the soulless thing, as in I can see where people are coming from when they say that, but I don't feel it myself. Also, all but one of my visits there were during haloweenies. So that might have something to do with it. I dont want to talk about MiA. I enjoyed myself more at SFKK then I did at MiA. And that's saying a lot. The most enjoyable coaster in the whole park was the freakin arrow wild mouse. Whodathunkit? I'm not counting the paramount parks, because they were both brand new to the chain when I went. Still had paramount plastered everywhere even. It might boil down to the fact that I can access SF easily, and CF parks have to be more of a destination. I have to try to get there, and that effects my overall feeling. Most of the time that I go to CF parks I get to see people I don't normally see, whether or not I see them at the park. Either way I like CF parks more overall. And I'm not talking just eeking out, CF is a full blown head and shoulders above SF in my opinion. That's fine if you disagree with me. It's all just opinion, I just feel strongly about mine. And also in regards to this list of firsts: > > First suspended coaster: BAT at Kings Island > First inverted coaster: Batman The Ride at SFGAm > First loop: SFMM > First Inversion: Knott's > Launch (various formats): Paramount (typically Kings Dominion) > Immersive theming: Busch, Disney, Universal > First Standup: Paramount > First floorless: Six Flags (if you don't consider this "new", I won't > object!) > First vertical drop: Alton Towers > First Flying: Paramount > 4D: Six Flags > I agree for the most part, but I feel like the hydaulic rocket coasters deserve a spot on here. We've seen how they have taken off as a coaster type, and they are markedly different than other launch coasters. And in reply to Deja Vu being a good idea...really? Dont get me wrong, I freaking love the rides. It's probably the most terrified I've ever been on a coaster. However, a lot of that fear came from the fact that a train fell off the track and smashed to the midway, combined with all of the stalls, and the fact that it's a freaking vekoma. But it was a terrible investment, and a real failure overall. Thats enough. Most people probably didn't read this far down anyway. -MikeSKA! From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 06 18:18:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95398 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LKNzv-0008H7-Ea for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:18:19 -0500 Message-ID: <496410EA.2080409@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:18:18 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4781111e4c6ff0530fafaabdf3d4190c700d12a3725171f4533350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=CetPIs0w0WXYNnolPUSVK9sLcxqk61J72kvEvK8FlKe2ojE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > > Boring & Mundane? > > Honestly, the only one worth raving about in FL is Kumba. I'd make the > trek from Disney to BGA just for that, if the mood struck. Really? I would never consider Montu boring and mundane. It's easily in my top tier, well over Kumba, which can be tempermental. Heck, I like SheiKra as much as Kumba, and often times more if Kumba has the shakes. Neither one of those would I call boring. Neither are the dragons at IOA. while many B&M's can be considered light on the forces, I don't think any of those fit into that mold. Hulk and Kraken can be debatable. :) keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 18:22:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3608 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f11.google.com) (209.85.217.11) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:22:28 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so287270gxk.15 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.86.9 with SMTP id j9mr10608508agb.61.1231294948176; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:22:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901061822r225f44e9wc1d10fa4013aec29@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:22:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <496410EA.2080409@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> <496410EA.2080409@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=DQu89pdhCvMuwWVGLM_pYhI4Faird1SfBhuEFFdz8KHtmchS5A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny SheiKra, to me, was the lamest of the lame. Rode it a couple of times, and couldn't care less if I ever got on it again. Montu is alright, but it's one of the bigger inverts, which seem to pack so much less of a punch than the smaller ones. Part of what I like about Kumba is the shakes. It shows that it's got some personality/forces. josh On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM, george burnash wrote: > Josh W wrote: >> >> >> Boring & Mundane? >> >> Honestly, the only one worth raving about in FL is Kumba. I'd make the >> trek from Disney to BGA just for that, if the mood struck. > > Really? I would never consider Montu boring and mundane. It's easily > in my top tier, well over Kumba, which can be tempermental. Heck, I > like SheiKra as much as Kumba, and often times more if Kumba has the > shakes. Neither one of those would I call boring. > > Neither are the dragons at IOA. while many B&M's can be considered > light on the forces, I don't think any of those fit into that mold. > Hulk and Kraken can be debatable. :) > > keep on ridin' > George > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Jan 06 18:27:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34687 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LKO8t-0008M4-Vj for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <49641317.1040201@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:27:35 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <0CB6150C095046958075F6E51CE9E838@LewisMobile> In-Reply-To: <0CB6150C095046958075F6E51CE9E838@LewisMobile> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4781111e4c6ff0530faec9d98d0c7a346242792171cc2932d70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=MkbBK5kFj77sG18YqLxbfLwlysWFpKjC0dWdTyKFiNpFe6M X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Catching up a bit. Y'all have been talkative. Good! I'm enjoying it. VoiceRodeo Gmail wrote: > As to PURELY THEMING, I would say Knotts Berry Farm and Six Flags Magic > Mountain are probably the best in the country hands down. Of course, > Magic Mountain didnt start out as a Six Flags park, and Knotts didnt > start out as a Cedar Fair park.. .they were bought along the way. As others have mentioned, I'd have to disagree on this as well. Within the Six Flags chain SFoT and SFGrAm have far more theming in them now than SFMM ever did. And SFStL and SFoG did as well, though a lot of it has slid. Even Astroworld in TX had a lot more than SFMM ever dreamed about. Knott's though certainly has more theming than any of the other Cedar Fair parks I've been to, but that was almost all put in before Cedar Fair arrived. however, as others mentioned it's no comparison to Disney, Busch, or the Universal parks. Not even close. > > Six Flags Great America in Gurnee was also not an original Six Flags > park.. but originally one of the Marriotts Great America (what they GA > parks were before Paramount bought them). Honestly, to me that park has > no theming at all. That park and the Great America park in Santa Clara > both remind me of a parking lot that they threw roller coasters into... > and then added stuff around them. (no flaming please.. just my personal > opinion). I do feel that SFGA has come a long way to add some theming > based on the rides themselves, but I dont feel an over theming of the > park exists. It might have been Nate that gave a bit of a history there. I grew up going to the California park from the year it opened, and they were pretty well themed when they opened. The Santa Clara parks theming started to die off when the city took it over, and Paramount has really pretty much ignored and trashed what was left. But the Illinois park has much of it left intact and well taken care of. When I visited a few years ago with several of the guys they'll tell you how much I kept talking about how impressed I was with it and feeling like I went back to my childhood. > and of course Disney theming cant be beat, but most of the people on > this group dont count Disney in this world (again, no flaming please). If they don't count Disney then they must really live in a Mickey Mouse world. (sorry, couldn't resist. hehe) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tommytheduck > So therefore, Cameron, you are right. But ask me which of the two > companies I would want building a new park in my neighborhood, and my > answer would still be Cedar Fair, hands down. Does it have to be limited to just one of those two? I'd take so many other operators over either one of them. I've really been spoiled the last few years here in Florida where neither one of them has a presence. I'm almost scared to move next summer and end up with one of them again as my "home" park. Can't I please, please pick someone else? :P Blackstone, Busch (though they're going to lose their parks soon)... keep on ridin' George From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 18:29:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57168 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:29:45 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2918903yxg.41 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:29:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.196 with SMTP id h4mr834972iba.36.1231295385012; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:29:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901061822r225f44e9wc1d10fa4013aec29@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> <496410EA.2080409@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0901061822r225f44e9wc1d10fa4013aec29@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901061829q7e37fd21ob274d47ad8824192@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=i0kOYItqcIXpknMoP5bcpvt-tupS8kqjardweBdLbg1ebdY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Josh W wrote: > SheiKra, to me, was the lamest of the lame. Rode it a couple of times, > and couldn't care less if I ever got on it again. Montu is alright, > but it's one of the bigger inverts, which seem to pack so much less of > a punch than the smaller ones. > > Part of what I like about Kumba is the shakes. It shows that it's got > some personality/forces. > > josh The personality of a methhead of a 3 day bender? (just kidding, I've never even ridden the damn coaster) Mikeskakakaka From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 18:33:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8572 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:33:14 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o28so1752665ele.22 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:33:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.33.15 with SMTP id g15mr6011198agg.47.1231295593504; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:33:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:33:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901061833m1a185f78he041289acac7060f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:33:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <49641317.1040201@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0CB6150C095046958075F6E51CE9E838@LewisMobile> <49641317.1040201@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=G4KJgIQEzC1sOmHflroxiQpkt6odJzJhc55un39-yW8fr1lpXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny When it comes to "not counting" Disney - I'm 100% the complete opposite. I use them as my basis for a lot of things, being that the Disney properties are my favorite places to visit. Josh On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:27 PM, george burnash wrote: > Catching up a bit. Y'all have been talkative. Good! I'm enjoying it. > > VoiceRodeo Gmail wrote: > >> As to PURELY THEMING, I would say Knotts Berry Farm and Six Flags Magic >> Mountain are probably the best in the country hands down. Of course, >> Magic Mountain didnt start out as a Six Flags park, and Knotts didnt >> start out as a Cedar Fair park.. .they were bought along the way. > > As others have mentioned, I'd have to disagree on this as well. Within > the Six Flags chain SFoT and SFGrAm have far more theming in them now > than SFMM ever did. And SFStL and SFoG did as well, though a lot of it > has slid. Even Astroworld in TX had a lot more than SFMM ever dreamed > about. Knott's though certainly has more theming than any of the other > Cedar Fair parks I've been to, but that was almost all put in before > Cedar Fair arrived. > > however, as others mentioned it's no comparison to Disney, Busch, or the > Universal parks. Not even close. >> >> Six Flags Great America in Gurnee was also not an original Six Flags >> park.. but originally one of the Marriotts Great America (what they GA >> parks were before Paramount bought them). Honestly, to me that park has >> no theming at all. That park and the Great America park in Santa Clara >> both remind me of a parking lot that they threw roller coasters into... >> and then added stuff around them. (no flaming please.. just my personal >> opinion). I do feel that SFGA has come a long way to add some theming >> based on the rides themselves, but I dont feel an over theming of the >> park exists. > > It might have been Nate that gave a bit of a history there. I grew up > going to the California park from the year it opened, and they were > pretty well themed when they opened. The Santa Clara parks theming > started to die off when the city took it over, and Paramount has really > pretty much ignored and trashed what was left. But the Illinois park > has much of it left intact and well taken care of. When I visited a few > years ago with several of the guys they'll tell you how much I kept > talking about how impressed I was with it and feeling like I went back > to my childhood. > >> and of course Disney theming cant be beat, but most of the people on >> this group dont count Disney in this world (again, no flaming please). > > If they don't count Disney then they must really live in a Mickey Mouse > world. (sorry, couldn't resist. hehe) > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: tommytheduck > >> So therefore, Cameron, you are right. But ask me which of the two >> companies I would want building a new park in my neighborhood, and my >> answer would still be Cedar Fair, hands down. > > Does it have to be limited to just one of those two? I'd take so many > other operators over either one of them. I've really been spoiled the > last few years here in Florida where neither one of them has a presence. > I'm almost scared to move next summer and end up with one of them > again as my "home" park. > > Can't I please, please pick someone else? :P Blackstone, Busch (though > they're going to lose their parks soon)... > > keep on ridin' > George > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 18:41:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17693 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f18.google.com) (209.85.217.18) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:41:50 -0000 X-Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so275047gxk.16 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr10613282agb.94.1231296110125; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:41:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901061841w443fc815q650232c37510afcd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:41:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0901061829q7e37fd21ob274d47ad8824192@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> <496410EA.2080409@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0901061822r225f44e9wc1d10fa4013aec29@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0901061829q7e37fd21ob274d47ad8824192@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=PNz2tGMtjAEmBHcNzjdKc66SklPmYQDjRnZv4MtU8XbFw_wNcg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny HA. It's more like Raptor or MF at cedar Point when they need wheels replaced. They kind of get a little shimmy going on. That's how Kumba gets, only it's a tad more violent. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Josh W wrote: >> SheiKra, to me, was the lamest of the lame. Rode it a couple of times, >> and couldn't care less if I ever got on it again. Montu is alright, >> but it's one of the bigger inverts, which seem to pack so much less of >> a punch than the smaller ones. >> >> Part of what I like about Kumba is the shakes. It shows that it's got >> some personality/forces. >> >> josh > > The personality of a methhead of a 3 day bender? > > (just kidding, I've never even ridden the damn coaster) > Mikeskakakaka > From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jan 06 18:53:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56007 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 02:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:53:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19969 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 02:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2009 02:53:25 -0000 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0901061814v75976f23we45ee037abf99804@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:53:24 -0600 References: <4963D780.3080603@buzzneon.com> <6ab4641f0901061814v75976f23we45ee037abf99804@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=J24c6hWBeLJd7Z_oOowi67-ADTyYD3P3pBDNZT_4ll6PBKdw X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Overall, I feel like I enjoy > cedar fair parks more than Six Flags. This is probably because Cedar > Fair parks are more of a novelty to me. Haha .. earlier it was suggested that my preference for Six Flags over Cedar Point might be because Six Flags is more familiar to me! This is why I honestly love these type of discussions! :) > I agree for the most part, but I feel like the hydaulic rocket > coasters deserve a spot on here. I consider them to be a clone of the S&S air-launch coasters - given the similarity in layout. I've never ridden the S&S coasters, but of the Rockets I've ridden, I have found them to be super lame (Dragster, Stealth (at Thorpe), Rita (Alton Towers), and Storm Runner). > And in reply to Deja Vu being a good idea...really? Oh, the engineering design seems to be terrible - but good-on Six Flags for taking the risk. (They probably shouldn't have bought three of them, but still :) ). That was my point in that list .. all the other chains take risks, which ends up introducing some pretty amazing things to the entire industry (which is a good thing, for everyone). Except Cedar Fair - who does nothing (but charge Disney prices..!). Cameron. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Jan 06 19:17:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43179 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 03:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 03:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:17:41 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2856946yxb.59 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:17:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.12.12 with SMTP id v12mr835401ibv.43.1231298260811; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:17:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4963D780.3080603@buzzneon.com> <6ab4641f0901061814v75976f23we45ee037abf99804@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:17:40 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901061917v37a4decei83952727a29cb29b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=qhOO7vBTpJNVtCN5Dyd24QWKnJZaSH0sNqgWdYTMeHffFCw X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska > > I consider them to be a clone of the S&S air-launch coasters - given > the similarity in layout. I've never ridden the S&S coasters, but of > the Rockets I've ridden, I have found them to be super lame (Dragster, > Stealth (at Thorpe), Rita (Alton Towers), and Storm Runner). > I guess I can see where you're coming from, but I still consider it a big inovation over those. I mean, they added at least 2 more molecules to the O. >> And in reply to Deja Vu being a good idea...really? > > Oh, the engineering design seems to be terrible - but good-on Six > Flags for taking the risk. (They probably shouldn't have bought three > of them, but still :) ). That was my point in that list .. all the > other chains take risks, which ends up introducing some pretty amazing > things to the entire industry (which is a good thing, for everyone). > Except Cedar Fair - who does nothing (but charge Disney prices..!). > > Cameron. > Cedar fair sits back and watches what the public wants, and then gives them bigger or better versions of it. And in doing so they save themselves at least 40-50 million dollars taking only the Deja Vu coasters as an example and with no attempt at all to find out what those coasters cost in sticker price alone, nevermind factoring in all that other crap those coasters caused. So I guess I can agree with you on the point, but not the outcome. You see Six Flags as bringing new stuff to the table which is good for the community as a whole. I see it as very bad buisness planning and shortsightedness, which they have paid for greatly and probably accounts for some of their huge multi billion dollar deficit. I see Cedar Fair as sitting back and watching to see what works and what doesn't, and then taking the stuff that works and making it bigger/better/very slightly different. Giving the public what they want, and not making terribly huge risks. And when they do try these slightly different and new things, they leave themselves with a solid enough base to where it can be modified and redone to work correctly. My only example for this point is the barrel roll on maveric which caused the freaking ride to be closed on my last visit because they were actively taking out the part of the ride I was most excited for. I feel like either chain couldn't survive without the other as it's contrast. I don't really feel like this. Mikeska getting all escher on your asses From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jan 06 23:05:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68101 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 07:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 07:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 07:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 07:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 07:05:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:05:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49641317.1040201@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: was SF vs CF (again) or B&M vs Intamin (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=9_MFcoowxlqQ6r3KP36lk3J99zPTYF-AH01_luSzLi4lZaB9hA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: =20 > I'm almost scared to move next summer and end up with one of them=20 > again as my "home" park. >=20 >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > Wait. You're moving again, George?=20 I at least can blame the Navy for all my moving around. ;-)=20 Chris From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 03:51:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1135 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 11:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 11:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 11:51:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2025 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2009 11:51:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FZuA_QMVM1kJPUiLlT.aQgWHHNlEvuskosu8DRVaDf9FpSsHwAkbyW0Qad2KPDwPGDZxqoYoKaJTfIWnCyN2IJ0LrcGhnZG7c3LZkgOmTBeV7Cs5srvomdL5Sd_lSNtgmlZUu3GF.q7NtPmYFD4apvg5_WMd8FMqR0Mhux.PTu555u6cF4Vygk5gzKOhaQ-- X-Received: from [65.25.60.25] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:51:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:51:40 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0901061917v37a4decei83952727a29cb29b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <346728.747.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=CuJjFtyXqzl-yyM1p4sYUnyMlRYQp0XpKrzdCuyOL_gpkk5mBM8DfYJEdo_d_U56 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=A0=A0=A0 I have been reading all of the discussion on this for the last= few days now with great interest.=A0 I have to agree with both views and a= lso disagree with them.=A0 In there heyday both CF and SF had great parks t= hat were nicely done.=A0 Alas, as both companies grew and became more profi= table they lost track of what is really important, it sure isn't hte almigh= ty dollar.=A0 They both remind me of Walmart in how they have destroyed the= re respective marketplace.=A0 Walmart has killed the age of family owned bu= sinesses and small town America.=A0 This can be said about CF and SF as wel= l.=A0 You have to look no further than parks like Geauga Lake, Darian Lake,= Kentucky Kingdom, Esclitch Gardens and Astroworld to name just a few that = have been destroyed by generic theming and branding.=A0 I know these are al= l SF parks I have mentioned but CF is just as guilty.=A0 There flagship par= k is the perfect example, I have been going there since the early 1970's as= a child and I have watched that park turn from a beautiful park with a fair = amount of charm and atmosphere into a concrete slab with no heart or soul.= =A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0 For this reason, I have not been=A0to a SF or CF park in the l= ast 4 years.=A0 I have wandered the back roads to search out all the great = little classic parks that=A0America still has.=A0 I hope that these parks a= re abel to hang on in these economic times.=A0 Parks like Waldameer, Knoebe= l's, Kennywood but to name a few. =A0=A0=A0=A0 As stated=A0in another post, I too am a memeber of several pos= ting boards and chat groups about rollercoasters and amusement parks and fi= nd the CF and SF fanboys to be clueless in the facts.=A0 =A0 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 07 04:57:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4239 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 12:57:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 12:57:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 12:57:37 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LKXyb-0005ik-75 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:57:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4964A6BF.4020000@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:57:35 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4781111e4c6ff0530fa75d948b219e2e4d1708662e42231de39350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0:1 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] was SF vs CF (again) or B&M vs Intamin (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=lOFiPXpGTtrFRZfe2v29YTGOrvtoRqAeSewpgaYP7_RGwNk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , george burnash > wrote: > > > I'm almost scared to move next summer and end up with one of them > > again as my "home" park. > > Wait. You're moving again, George? > > I at least can blame the Navy for all my moving around. ;-) > More than likely we will be. I recently stepped down from the youth pastorate I was doing, so it's time to look for another job. We're really looking at an associate or head pastorate, but will consider other options. Just need something that is going to either pay bills or cover housing. Can't really stay in the area since we don't want to look like we're competing with the old church, but we're having to wait til the end of the school year so my wife isn't dropping her teaching job mid school year. Hopefully will have a better idea in the mid spring. Yeah, I'm sick of moving and so are my kids. But it is a heck of a way to experience a variety of parks. I can honestly say that I probably wouldn't have visited half the parks I have if it wasn't for moving. (now isn't that sad!) keep on ridin' George From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 04:58:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2128 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 12:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 12:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.220) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 12:58:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89372 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2009 12:58:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m_l8g6sVM1lmoJI5Gz0dbLmdqFda8bHkLlviLg_VLk1ByrHqPs0wG4LkR0BwxIXr2Y9aGm7UXA8dX.mGtLUt79zmGKSByVPIxWJ5dJ_xEblN7CSUMOeAsZbVsH.n9p66OmeG5nEljy8Pl_nUWt45Axlc2_oACqR676zINxqVvSzQVp9hPVMjsUS3TZvajK0.3a.P0SB6zrgxfvh3W0y9XhVjWAPoFbUPxPa27ZlEH7g5pjcT X-Received: from [72.219.233.67] by web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:58:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:58:08 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <131412.88852.qm@web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Reply-To: scrunch17@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=NK__Gh4NVrItrzJxsZn71OCTxgjhfVB2jffNzovMTl-iPz3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure, I'd take CF as the operator.=A0 I wont get an exciting or pretty park= , probably wont get anything too dazzling.=A0 But I'll get a non-BTR B&M in= vert and I'll actually be able to ride it as they will keep their rides ope= rating! --- On Tue, 1/6/09, tommytheduck wrote: From: tommytheduck Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 4:42 PM The second part of my original post was this: If it was announced that a new park was to be built in your area, which=20 of the two companies would you want to own and operate it, Cedar Fair,=20 or Six Flags? I choose Cedar Fair hands down. -Brian =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 05:13:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52027 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 13:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 13:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.222) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 13:13:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22956 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2009 13:13:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M4l0T6IVM1mgj9KKbgdn3geuiqlNnJ1YxqOv2amptayKLv4wVHOScl.qah64PdWSzoSTSztXx5Gp76rDbZM1xftAQ6qvUykb4UWS3iWjYOMZVvBYPs4KXDzjQbHpGMJhxJOET1kWRFwwHkSIMEoGiogWFb7wEFi.TTrqTP2z6extznERIgXWLFCOCa3Xt.I0M_X8hzxPRpP_zYYeqliaeDNi_kVOwMf_UAoYnCok.3QjzF9UujIu X-Received: from [72.219.233.67] by web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:13:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:13:16 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4963D780.3080603@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <669423.22690.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=YhNU7Fxw5T93ABoNMQXj38ytaftfr6_JgivE_gUWjGIAGb86 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Cameron Silver wrote: "I also simply don't like Cedar Fair because they have done nothing to improve or advance the industry. All other chains have introduced new concepts and taken risks, while Cedar Fair just sits back and does nothing. Sure it's fine from a business standpoint, but I'm a customer not an investor. (Granted, Six Flags got out of control and are now struggling for survival - but that's another issue)." Of course, you can like/lothe a company for any reason you desire, but for me, this doesnt even register at all. I really couldn't care less *who* came up with the "first". I just want to ride. Now, I'd argue that CF tends to make *lamer* versions of SF rides (*cough*RAPTOR*cough). But the mere fact that CF doesnt do it "first" is the furthest thing from my mind. "Brian you said that if a new park were being built near you that you'd want it to be Cedar Fair (if the only other choice was Six Flags) - obviously that's your opinion, and it doesn't affect me at all - but I am honestly and truly baffled by it :) I guess when it really comes down to it my preference for Six Flags is only ever-so-slightly higher than that of Cedar Fair anyway - I just don't understand the blind Cedar Fair loyalty. There's another board I'm on, which is still firmly stuck in the "CEDAR FAIR IS THE BEST PLACE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE" camp, and it's irritating beyond belief. These people aren't even willing to discuss it, and I find myself posting there less and less." If anyone has been paying attention for the last several years, if anything, I would be considered an SF Brat rather than having some "loyalty" for CF. But my experience with the parks have simply been that the CF parks actually *work*. Too many times have I been to SF parks and so many rides are closed, some "Down Due to Maintainance", many "Down Due to Staffing". For whatever reason, CF does a hell of a lot better job at making sure that from opening day to closing day, each day is the same operations wise. With SF, it's too much of a crapshoot. *That's* why I'd rather have CF run my mythical park. Even though I know I'd be forsaking any chance of riding a good woodie ;) "It's the same with Cubs fans .. I like the team, and I don't mind other people who like the team, but stereotypical "Cubs Fans" are the most annoying people on the planet. It's getting to the point where the term "Cubs Fan" is becoming an insult!" This is RCTalk and not MLBTalk, but I have no idea what you are talking about 'sterotypical Cubs Fun'. I've been a Cubs Fan pretty much all my life (growing up on the southside in the midst of nothing but White Sox fans). The vast majority of Cubs Fans I know are extremely level-headed and clear-eyed about the Cubs (losing has a way of keeping you grounded =]). lata, jeremy From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 05:18:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59862 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 13:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 13:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.223) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 13:18:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16624 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2009 13:18:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R8HvEAsVM1m_eCqimgXGw8cB0RAuxvsFj0mnRzO0gT0jPNBLv.x8BFwcsvYYdd.ax07d0rNM6GRWvoXgzvdxNTIsw9TVOz_ii_BDgDu6Tq6u0OZ9ogizETiiFoB.R7Og6C84O61wpGRwCXf3GRjRalTHhuxXWifOsAWvNXMlpvBmUKRzx7fTi1Rpl5RWFJLaJV5tl7gMLgh1lz7FDlEdotq0SoygvQ-- X-Received: from [72.219.233.67] by web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:18:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:18:07 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0901061730r67d9b902s60615bfabf437ab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <748397.16065.qm@web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=_ZpRz2bWHM0v0IWfuhxUejt6W5ccoR7KfkV9xKSCLlPar3bM X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Michael Cowan wrote: "I've never been to BGA but dueling dragons was fantastic on the handful of rides I got. Hulk was a snooze fest." In an attempt to make Nate's head explode, I have to disagree witht he "snoozefest" moniker for Hulk. Actually, my last visit to IOA had me really digging Hulk. "I'd still take any of my favorite intamins over any of my favorite B&Ms any day of the week though. I can't believe I'm going to marry a girl that likes nitro better than SROS. At least she likes El Toro better than both of them." I'd take S:RoS (NE) over all the B&Ms, but that's about it. I'd put at least three B&Ms (Raging Bull, Montu, and the coaster formerly known as Top Gun: The Jet Coaster) over the other Intamins. Though, full disclousure, I've yet to ride Superman: Ride of Wood...I mean El Toro. lata, jeremy From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 05:25:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58944 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 13:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 13:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51703.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.221) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 13:25:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45147 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2009 13:25:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KQp2tCoVM1kCp5XXVk2PMA9T_cXr_VOwqE37VDOuAaGGugOtR29A6yjqM6WjviDmy03OH15pypoosTlQqfUB2djVrZvuX3o7Bunw5DUtmiwVY8xeEZ.lYammcJzne1IKNBRzg5tKAnNB.bOuSm5S9jDfcOSXarSgysO4VxJi_WFHRK.f0fX9KSzHx.fDykCJCPGEYip8b8Laub5lvH2fqJZO9yZAnS.Dqo8- X-Received: from [72.219.233.67] by web51703.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:25:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:25:20 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <496410EA.2080409@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <709963.44603.qm@web51703.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=pr9PYsYBch0PUcS5ZlCgVYvmxPTNul2lyiaieht-QBp3ncUt X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- On Tue, 1/6/09, george burnash wrote: "Really? I would never consider Montu boring and mundane. It's easily in my top tier, well over Kumba, which can be tempermental. Heck, I like SheiKra as much as Kumba, and often times more if Kumba has the shakes. Neither one of those would I call boring." Montu is stil my favorite invert, even with only a handful of rides. Initial launches aside, the intensity of the batwing on Montu is really only rivaled by the batwing on the former TG:TJC, the vertical loop on the flying dutchmans, and the pretzel loop on the S:UFs (hmmm, curiously, not an Intamin in that list) "Neither are the dragons at IOA. while many B&M's can be considered light on the forces, I don't think any of those fit into that mold. Hulk and Kraken can be debatable. :)" I wont argue that Kraken is "intense", but I will re-iterate my previous sentiments that Kraken *might* be the mostly perfectly designed/engineered coaster ever (Talon could be second). lata, jeremy (sorry for the multi-posts) From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jan 07 07:05:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56658 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 15:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 15:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0103.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260143C668D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:05:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm102 X-Received: by sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm102.4962ad1c.90da1 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:05:08 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJZMSkJBzlwQIAAAAB,a6eefaea14bd90a026d8fb63c530bc23 Message-ID: <8F698302E6BA4B8B8A310399E50AA20B@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <669423.22690.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <669423.22690.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:05:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Oo2Nv_V_d8infjwHa1sY8V3AuUem5hWv1DtPBnIJKxfcmQ593NP3o0bMzw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Cameron Silver wrote: > "I also simply don't like Cedar Fair because they have done nothing to > improve or advance the industry. All other chains have introduced new > concepts and taken risks, while Cedar Fair just sits back and does > nothing. That's not true... Cedar Fair has introduced it's fair share of high profile concept rides. They had the first real Hypercoaster with Magnum, and without the creation of that ride the industry may have never built all the other Hyper style rides that followed, up to Millennium Force hitting the 300 ft mark. They were also the first to buy into the Intamin Rocket coaster concept, testing it out on Xcelerator at Knott's and then Dragster at CP... They were also one of the first batches of companies to jump on the B&M Inverted band wagon after Batman premiered at Six Flags and Top Gun the next year at PGA, then came Raptor in 94, as the first really large scale B&M Inverted. (Batman was 2700 ft long, Top Gun was only 2200 ft, but Raptor was 3700 ft) They were also one to build extra large Shoot the Chutes rides, leading up to Perilous Plunge as the ultimate extention of that concept. They were also the primary company behind S&S's dominance of the Tower Ride market, pushing things well beyond single tower rides, but into multi-tower structures with both Space Shot & Turbo Drop programs. Plus it's easy to point out Gemini as one of the most unique coasters in the world, like it or hate it... Hydra at Dorney is the only coaster I know of off the top of my head that has an inversion before it even hits the lift hill. Unfortunatly the only one place with Cedar Fair seems to have been fearfull to tread is into themed dark rides, where they are very lacking... but otherwise they've pushed and pulled the industry in many new directions over the years. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 07:14:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78715 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 15:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 15:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f10.google.com) (209.85.217.10) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:14:26 -0000 X-Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so378908gxk.17 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:14:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.126.6 with SMTP id y6mr4219064wfc.24.1231341265843; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:14:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:14:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:14:25 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8F698302E6BA4B8B8A310399E50AA20B@ScreamscapeHP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <669423.22690.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8F698302E6BA4B8B8A310399E50AA20B@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=0M7rp0Pv75o_hxthGIhQIsZ892bmDz11ydvudND5KnL2lVIY2vZiBL8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Cameron Silver wrote: >> "I also simply don't like Cedar Fair because they have done nothing to >> improve or advance the industry. All other chains have introduced new >> concepts and taken risks, while Cedar Fair just sits back and does >> nothing. > > That's not true... Cedar Fair has introduced it's fair share of high profile > concept rides. What the original post said was that Cedar Fair never introduces anything new; they simply build larger versions of already-proven concepts. All of your examples (except for the rocket coaster) are larger versions of what had already been done. That's not introducing something new, it's jumping on proven successes. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jan 07 07:58:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70871 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 15:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 15:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:58:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6708 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 15:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2009 15:58:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4964D0AF.60306@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:56:31 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4963D780.3080603@buzzneon.com> <6ab4641f0901061814v75976f23we45ee037abf99804@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0901061917v37a4decei83952727a29cb29b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0901061917v37a4decei83952727a29cb29b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=219uq8kndoMAU0Kb4ek7HVJ56flQtwD8sNvHQ9yoIcjxMt8i X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Cedar fair sits back and watches what the public wants, and then gives > them bigger or better versions of it. Bigger, yes .. Better is obviously subjective :) > So I guess I can agree with you on the point, but not the outcome. > You see Six Flags as bringing new stuff to the table which is good for > the community as a whole. I see it as very bad buisness planning and > shortsightedness, which they have paid for greatly and probably > accounts for some of their huge multi billion dollar deficit. Any industry will die if it remains stagnant .. and I just can't praise a company that simply sits back and waits for everyone else to do all the work. I mentioned in another post that Six Flags went overboard, and that's the main reason for their current financial problems ... But they absolutely should try new things, and I'm glad that they did. Cameron. From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 09:48:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30269 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 17:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 17:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 17:48:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51024 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2009 17:48:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _DEE7zEVM1nTQgDaZ_Ro_CXUJ9B9ZS6T7jyUX3ANl5g2AIa8qKzuU2dimbZGLC88sldq0Mr3LRGLjHND3u7ZlHbefS05WzPZbV.tx6jf6_7TVhZI145ikTgkOuCaKyRRHuwLTHFxwp4FD883xp61qTBPB0A9DH.tTOjmMqu2LquICxuItnt_OfO7jQjPQOocM_9QN_NCKTlIUWoxj3UL55K42oW.xOODuLJZ0DqQP3HFpaFnDw-- X-Received: from [65.25.60.25] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:48:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:48:12 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <669423.22690.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <184918.50318.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=EiOUrYI_4H33GtCwHBghMxsGdIWa1GYe7BLB-MzYfdZxm0kvUBcSjo6U-laZFlQ1 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Technically neither CF or SF came up with any new inovations,=A0 Companies = like B&M and Intamin came up with the ideas and designs then promoted them = to the parks to build.=A0 There is nothing wrong with waiting to use new te= chnology and let someone else use it first to make sure it works properly, = especially when you are talking about an investment of millions of dollars.= =A0 It doesn't matter who had it first because people will go to either cha= ins parks and ride, the GP has no idea that one park is copying another. --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jeremy Norris wrote: From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 8:13 AM --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Cameron Silver wrote: "I also simply don't like Cedar Fair because they have done nothing to=20 improve or advance the industry. All other chains have introduced new=20 concepts and taken risks, while Cedar Fair just sits back and does=20 nothing. Sure it's fine from a business standpoint, but I'm a customer=20 not an investor. (Granted, Six Flags got out of control and are now=20 struggling for survival - but that's another issue)." Of course, you can like/lothe a company for any reason you desire, but for = me, this doesnt even register at all. I really couldn't care less *who* cam= e up with the "first". I just want to ride. Now, I'd argue that CF tends to= make *lamer* versions of SF rides (*cough*RAPTOR* cough). But the mere fac= t that CF doesnt do it "first" is the furthest thing from my mind. "Brian you said that if a new park were being built near you that you'd=20 want it to be Cedar Fair (if the only other choice was Six Flags) -=20 obviously that's your opinion, and it doesn't affect me at all - but I=20 am honestly and truly baffled by it :) I guess when it really comes down to it my preference for Six Flags is=20 only ever-so-slightly higher than that of Cedar Fair anyway - I just=20 don't understand the blind Cedar Fair loyalty. There's another board I'm=20 on, which is still firmly stuck in the "CEDAR FAIR IS THE BEST PLACE IN=20 THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE" camp, and it's irritating beyond belief. These=20 people aren't even willing to discuss it, and I find myself posting=20 there less and less." If anyone has been paying attention for the last several years, if anything= , I would be considered an SF Brat rather than having some "loyalty" for CF= . But my experience with the parks have simply been that the CF parks actua= lly *work*. Too many times have I been to SF parks and so many rides are cl= osed, some "Down Due to Maintainance" , many "Down Due to Staffing". For wh= atever reason, CF does a hell of a lot better job at making sure that from = opening day to closing day, each day is the same operations wise. With SF, = it's too much of a crapshoot. *That's* why I'd rather have CF run my mythic= al park. Even though I know I'd be forsaking any chance of riding a good wo= odie ;) "It's the same with Cubs fans .. I like the team, and I don't mind other=20 people who like the team, but stereotypical "Cubs Fans" are the most=20 annoying people on the planet. It's getting to the point where the term=20 "Cubs Fan" is becoming an insult!" This is RCTalk and not MLBTalk, but I have no idea what you are talking abo= ut 'sterotypical Cubs Fun'. I've been a Cubs Fan pretty much all my life (g= rowing up on the southside in the midst of nothing but White Sox fans). The= vast majority of Cubs Fans I know are extremely level-headed and clear-eye= d about the Cubs (losing has a way of keeping you grounded =3D]). lata, jeremy =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 10:26:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86601 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 18:26:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 18:26:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 18:26:37 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so2657329yxp.14 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:26:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.5.21 with SMTP id h21mr9748128wfi.183.1231352796735; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:26:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:26:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:26:36 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <184918.50318.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <669423.22690.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <184918.50318.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=E_itAS4qk2_zZ4VjqF3NQl5SyUSLPaZ5A0rNm6Ncf8vPWaZZOMRK0SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Technically neither CF or SF came up with any new inovations, Companies > like B&M and Intamin came up with the ideas and designs then promoted them > to the parks to build. Obviously, but companies like Six Flags actually took the chance on new products while Cedar Fair generally does not. In some cases, amusement park operators have even provided research & development funding for new ideas and products, which is something CF hasn't done (to the best of my knowledge). > It doesn't matter who had it first because people will go to either chains > parks and ride, the GP has no idea that one park is copying another. If no company ever took the chance on a new idea, we'd still be riding side friction coasters. -Nate From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 10:45:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8142 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 18:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 18:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 18:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 18:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 18:44:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:44:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <579234.31119.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.138.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=2_qIwsTVvGvfqpOL0sYS_WQ3gnb13TSqlZyjqOL1nXUnqgvMoEyZ X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 With regards to the annual "Winter Comfort" at Seaside, I'm surprised=20 that the carousel was even open. I heard that the Polar Bear Club was=20 down the shore last weekend. Is that why some rides were open?=20 "Winter Comfort" is just the name I give to the one day each winter I=20 go down the beach just to sit, think, reflect..I've been doing it=20 since I could drive! The Freeman carousel is, I believe, open year- round..and I love the attached arcade with vintage pinball=20 machines..I may not be (completely) deaf, dumb, and blind..but I play=20 a mean pinball! > =A0 > Anyways, I love El Toro my first encounter was in the back seat of=20 the last train *whoa* I was terrified. That ride never let up, it is=20 truly breathtaking (literally).=20 Last seat, right side..my home away from home! > By the way, I would like to meet up with you so keep in touch. > =A0 That'd be cool..lemme know. > Warmest regards, > =A0 > Kema >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: Mike Gallagher > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 2:01:24 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl >=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, Bryanna Williams=20 > wrote: > > > > Hello,=20 > >=20 > > I'm from New Jersey and I agree with Wiley. > > As a teen it was all about parks with the biggest coasters like > > SFGA or Dorney Park. However now in my mid twenties I really enjoy > > parks rich with culture, history, and uniqueness. For that reason > > Coney island NYC is one of my favorite amusement park=20 > destinations.=20 > > I understand that soon it will be renovated and expanded > > to include all year round entertainment and amusement facilities.=20 > So=20 > > with that said I look forward to a bigger and better Coney=20 Island.=20 > >=20 > > Warmest regards, > >=20 > > Kema > >=20 > As a fellow Jerseyan, albeit twenty years older than yourself, I'm=20 > sort of in between the two extremes. El Toro is my favorite ride,=20 but=20 > I seek out smaller parks as well as large ones. My hoped for trip=20 > this June will be to the older, smaller parks of PA....Waldameer,=20 > Lakemont, Idlewild, maybe one or two others. Places like Kennywood=20 > and Hershey, I love, because they truly strike a balance, combining=20 > new technology with old-fashioned charm. Speaking of charm, I took=20 my=20 > annual "Winter Comfort" jaunt to Seaside this past Sunday..Sat=20 under=20 > the pier/coaster on the beach, rode the carousel, had a=20 > cheesesteak. .nice day. >=20 > Coney bigger and better? Based on what I've read, I'm not holding=20 my=20 > breath. >=20 > Ever feel like getting together in Jersey, drop me a note...I'm in=20 > Bayonne...I don't think there's many Jersey folks on here... >=20 > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 12:37:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52134 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 20:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 20:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 20:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 20:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.226] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 20:37:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:37:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=8MF9Yz8ntAnj1FrUdBpgLqIyAFhOLcpF1XZoP6PpveZwGRh-jyGGiRp8jQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Boring & Mundane? >=20 > Honestly, the only one worth raving about in FL is Kumba. I'd make the > trek from Disney to BGA just for that, if the mood struck. >=20 never said Intamins were boring and mudane. just im perfectly happy=20 with B&M, and prefer them actually. in less than 2 hours i have access=20 to Sheikra, Kumba, Montu, Dueling Dragons, Hulk and and Kracken.=20 again, who needs Intamin?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 12:38:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56121 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 20:38:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 20:38:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 20:38:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 20:38:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 20:38:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:38:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Wt5bTqCnHrcvK5XOlPommYzD80VHpbywo01et5FE2SdVO9XCkHjj5SOoAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > who cares? i got B&Ms. who needs Intamin? >=20 > People who want something more than a family ride? :) >=20 > -Nate i was thinking more of rides that can run for more than a couple of=20 hours without breaking down. ;) From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 12:53:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39100 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 20:53:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 20:53:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 20:53:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 20:53:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.79] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 20:53:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:53:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <748397.16065.qm@web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=_46ozWJK2K52GPgjnbNGm31vxgpCIlSNJ8WyZAG728XXkTmCKI4SPeIYPA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris =20 wrote: > I'd take S:RoS (NE) over all the B&Ms, but that's about it. I'd put=20 at least three B&Ms (Raging Bull, Montu, and the coaster formerly known=20 as Top Gun: The Jet Coaster) over the other Intamins. Though, full=20 disclousure, I've yet to ride Superman: Ride of Wood...I mean El Toro. SROS@SFNE is definitely the best Intamin ive ridden, no question and=20 yeah for me it does beat out some B&Ms. that being said, i would take a=20 few B&Ms over it, most notably the Batman suspendeds. i just tend to=20 like elements and inversions over just drop-hill-hill-turn-hill-hill- hill.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 13:40:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62359 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 21:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 21:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 21:40:08 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so5636260rne.12 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:40:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.99.6 with SMTP id w6mr11209267agb.81.1231364407546; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:40:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:40:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901071340t60169013n81ade1463d37c581@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:40:07 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901061629q5dbe7adch524416b197beaacf@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=PvBRw8vSYyZOvBImApzU_oFxZZXTIWZsREEWild9DmtmxlwHow X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I think you missed the reference on that one, Doug. :) B(oring)&M(undane) It's cool though. :-D On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" > wrote: >> >> Boring & Mundane? >> >> Honestly, the only one worth raving about in FL is Kumba. I'd make the >> trek from Disney to BGA just for that, if the mood struck. >> > > never said Intamins were boring and mudane. just im perfectly happy > with B&M, and prefer them actually. in less than 2 hours i have access > to Sheikra, Kumba, Montu, Dueling Dragons, Hulk and and Kracken. > > again, who needs Intamin? > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 15:07:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92750 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 23:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 23:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 23:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 23:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2009 23:07:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:07:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8F698302E6BA4B8B8A310399E50AA20B@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-_eAiSsh4KrEmL1ldaszjzrhfqkovfQ_XsMIFfPCxTcVXhJG1g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > Hydra at Dorney is the only coaster I know of off the top of my head=20 that=20 > has an inversion before it even hits the lift hill. >=20 > Red Devil/Cliff Hanger at Ghost Town In The Sky, Supersonic Odyssey,=20 Cosmo's World.=20 :) And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It=20 was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there.=20 As for launching a coaster? Premier used LIMs in 1996, and S&S used=20 compressed air in 2001. Xcellerator is in many ways the same mechanism=20 as on Hypersonic, using hydraulic fluid instead of air as the prime=20 mover. Not that big a leap, as far as I'm concered. That's just my=20 opnion, your milage may vary.=20 Chris From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 17:33:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99478 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 01:33:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 01:33:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f10.google.com) (209.85.217.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:33:44 -0000 X-Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so225112gxk.16 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:33:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.137 with SMTP id t9mr983341ibt.49.1231378423133; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:33:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8F698302E6BA4B8B8A310399E50AA20B@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901071733p1cb1cd10o5af084c3d195fd2c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=ktmsDoFV5FbvgaTX8xQoFciqiwvhodMiDVz0imklrYp67yc X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska if only there were someone on this list who had a masters degree in physics, he could probably explain how it's a completely different thing. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: >> Hydra at Dorney is the only coaster I know of off the top of my head > that >> has an inversion before it even hits the lift hill. >> >> > > Red Devil/Cliff Hanger at Ghost Town In The Sky, Supersonic Odyssey, > Cosmo's World. > :) > > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there. > > As for launching a coaster? Premier used LIMs in 1996, and S&S used > compressed air in 2001. Xcellerator is in many ways the same mechanism > as on Hypersonic, using hydraulic fluid instead of air as the prime > mover. Not that big a leap, as far as I'm concered. That's just my > opnion, your milage may vary. > > Chris > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 17:52:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56060 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 01:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 01:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 01:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.83] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 01:52:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:52:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=WtyHz-FKwvxCdvNQ7Zrz5Ok9dZrDnlTc1KzzYibsAzB5DddfuW_8OVziLg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > What the original post said was that Cedar Fair never introduces > anything new; they simply build larger versions of already-proven > concepts. All of your examples (except for the rocket coaster) are > larger versions of what had already been done. That's not introducing > something new, it's jumping on proven successes. its also a smarter business model. the one time that they tried to=20 introduce something new (TTD), it was a disaster. at least they didnt=20 have to deal with the X debacle. its like they say about electronic gear-never buy the first generation=20 of anything, because they will have bugs that will have been resolved=20 by the time the 2nd generation comes out.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 17:55:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15842 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 01:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 01:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 01:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 01:55:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:55:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4964D0AF.60306@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=V_vvzqXtVzR31_4pLxoY-StOzT_L_YxkDxfyet-Y_i-K8LZrhsP4vyGARw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > Any industry will die if it remains stagnant .. and I just can't=20 praise=20 > a company that simply sits back and waits for everyone else to do all=20 > the work. I mentioned in another post that Six Flags went overboard,=20 and=20 > that's the main reason for their current financial problems ... But=20 they=20 > absolutely should try new things, and I'm glad that they did. in the end though, its all about the bottom line and keeping the=20 customers happy. and who has a better track record at the moment? who=20 cares how you get there, as long as you do.=20 and as for trying new things about being glad that they did-plenty of=20 companies have gone bankrupt for doing just that. would it really be=20 worth it to say SF tried new things if 1 or 2 years from now the entire=20 chain goes under?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 18:07:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89917 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 02:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 02:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 02:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 02:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.226] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 02:07:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:07:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=4lqy4TwvwgZZ8XlDG9Cla9BF7KWsfD04o8JXgsJJbkjoCfTZvGpjqds1Og X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: =20 > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It=20 > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there.=20 which can be said about SROS, Goliath, Millineum Force, and many of the=20 other Intamins that people tend to fawn over.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 18:14:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56434 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 02:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 02:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 02:14:30 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so3787379yxj.83 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:14:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.49.8 with SMTP id w8mr11293289agw.85.1231380869986; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:14:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:14:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901071814s5ad51051oafd2a54e5865e48c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:14:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8F698302E6BA4B8B8A310399E50AA20B@ScreamscapeHP> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=dGUb6SHQp0uDW9rZF0r6t-n9nrxPqc1_Usy1MBQjGH_N0vOyfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny On the S&S vs. Intamin - vastly different systems. While the air launch coasters use air to move a piston, hence pulling a cable and thrusting the vehicle forward, very similar to a weight drop version of the shuttle loops, only the "weight" moves horizontally and is given a "push". The hydraulic launches use the fluid to power multiple smaller motors that force a drum to wind a cable, hence pulling the train. It's similar to a retractable cord on a vacuum cleaner. I understand that the feeling may be similar, but they truly are incredibly different. Josh On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: >> Hydra at Dorney is the only coaster I know of off the top of my head > that >> has an inversion before it even hits the lift hill. >> >> > > Red Devil/Cliff Hanger at Ghost Town In The Sky, Supersonic Odyssey, > Cosmo's World. > :) > > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there. > > As for launching a coaster? Premier used LIMs in 1996, and S&S used > compressed air in 2001. Xcellerator is in many ways the same mechanism > as on Hypersonic, using hydraulic fluid instead of air as the prime > mover. Not that big a leap, as far as I'm concered. That's just my > opnion, your milage may vary. > > Chris > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 19:20:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41032 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 03:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 03:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 03:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 03:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 03:20:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:20:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0901071733p1cb1cd10o5af084c3d195fd2c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=jcunSbeyI-ZvXOeKfRFOHBiKP_OzVMn971NNayNCJ_lWTtxqqw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Why?=20 In both cases, a pressurized system operates a ram, to spread=20 pulleys, to pull a cable, to pull a catchcar, to pull the train. Yes,=20 the fluid dynamics are different, but the concept and execution is=20 very similar.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan=20 wrote: > > if only there were someone on this list who had a masters degree in > physics, he could probably explain how it's a completely different > thing. >=20 > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Chris wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > >> Hydra at Dorney is the only coaster I know of off the top of my=20 head > > that > >> has an inversion before it even hits the lift hill. > >> > >> > > > > Red Devil/Cliff Hanger at Ghost Town In The Sky, Supersonic=20 Odyssey, > > Cosmo's World. > > :) > > > > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution.=20 It > > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there. > > > > As for launching a coaster? Premier used LIMs in 1996, and S&S=20 used > > compressed air in 2001. Xcellerator is in many ways the same=20 mechanism > > as on Hypersonic, using hydraulic fluid instead of air as the=20 prime > > mover. Not that big a leap, as far as I'm concered. That's just my > > opnion, your milage may vary. > > > > Chris > > > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jan 07 19:23:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94072 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 03:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 03:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 03:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 03:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 03:23:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:22:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=_uiJCbloEdTj6qXliIM-sIy8T0v9hakZUff0_csibVrX5isjuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 > wrote: >=20=20 > > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution.=20 It=20 > > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there.=20 >=20 > which can be said about SROS, Goliath, Millineum Force, and many of=20 the=20 > other Intamins that people tend to fawn over. > Completely agree with you there. I don't fawn over Intamins, in fact, I=20 tend to not like that company. They make decent enough rides, but I=20 feel they unnecesarily under-engineer the safety systems.=20 Chris From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 19:57:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38368 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f16.google.com with SMTP id 9so6469614gxk.8 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:57:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.94.12 with SMTP id r12mr11319148agb.119.1231387068965; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:57:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:57:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901071957r7208a6c2h83d51586f2840431@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:57:48 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0901071733p1cb1cd10o5af084c3d195fd2c@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=cziuJI5W6BjE3I6KwI44PJZ5UQKZBSqI5fmtvyVg44uv2c1-Vg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Sure. The end result is the same, but it's not really that simple. Plus, if you want to get into a time line of who actually did what, the hydraulic launches are basically a more powerful variation of the cable-lift system in that there's cable, catch car, and cable drum plus torque. The same can be said, then, that those, in essence are a variation on the shuttle loop flywheel design. It would seem to me that the S&S system would be a little simpler in terms of execution, but I've never made an attempt as building one. Josh On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Chris wrote: > Why? > > In both cases, a pressurized system operates a ram, to spread > pulleys, to pull a cable, to pull a catchcar, to pull the train. Yes, > the fluid dynamics are different, but the concept and execution is > very similar. > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > > wrote: >> >> if only there were someone on this list who had a masters degree in >> physics, he could probably explain how it's a completely different >> thing. >> >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Chris wrote: >> > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: >> >> Hydra at Dorney is the only coaster I know of off the top of my > head >> > that >> >> has an inversion before it even hits the lift hill. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Red Devil/Cliff Hanger at Ghost Town In The Sky, Supersonic > Odyssey, >> > Cosmo's World. >> > :) >> > >> > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. > It >> > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there. >> > >> > As for launching a coaster? Premier used LIMs in 1996, and S&S > used >> > compressed air in 2001. Xcellerator is in many ways the same > mechanism >> > as on Hypersonic, using hydraulic fluid instead of air as the > prime >> > mover. Not that big a leap, as far as I'm concered. That's just my >> > opnion, your milage may vary. >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > > From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Jan 07 21:06:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12202 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 05:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 05:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 05:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 05:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 05:06:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:06:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901071957r7208a6c2h83d51586f2840431@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=4jyAvwIVkYvv6HtCMHWOYcBIXe9AnvZABrUay73qO0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Not having see any really data on what makes the the TTD and=20 Kingda Ka go I had presumed that since they coil a cable up they were=20 turbines and not pistons. Which is not what Chris said. I truly have=20 no idea what the engineers actually did. Neither ride is that=20 interesting for me personally. The Navy was using hydraulic systems=20 to launch planes before the Second World War. Nothing radical there. If Cris' understanding is of the engineering is correct then he is=20 basically right: Both use a fluid under pressure to move a piston.=20=20 One use air the other (probably) uses a hydrocarbon liquid. Josh also=20 has a point there are a lot of details in the engineering. I would think the next big thing would be a steam cat launch. If=20 I recall it gets a combat loaded aircraft to 120 mph. I would think=20 that would make 200 mph on a coaster a possibility. (Of course you=20 would only go that fast for a split second before the air resistance=20 really started to slow you down...) The steam launch system would at=20 its core be basically the same thing as the other two, fluid under=20 pressure moving a piston. Making all the details work out correctly=20 would be a trick, but I am sure it is workable. The U.S. Navy is moving to electromagnetic launchers for the next=20 generation of carriers. That being the case I think the really=20 revolutionary idea in coaster launches was Flight of Fear. All the=20 other launch systems were used elsewhere before for something. FoF=20 was one of the first uses of a technology that (as it stands now) will=20 be adopted by something other then a roller coaster. That is really=20 cool when you think about it. Many have purposed an "assisted single=20 stage to orbit" system using the same basic principles. If that ever=20 comes to be FoF will probably wind up a "planetary" landmark. None of this changes the fact that the TTD has the highest ratio=20 of lameness to hype ever. Not ridden the other ride discussed, don't=20 know about it. Now take that launch system and put it on a track=20 layout like BolderDash or the Beast, then you would have a ride! TTD=20 is a waist if kinetic energy. Navies have also played around with from time to time "gunpowder"=20 launched systems. (You have powder on battleships why not use it!)=20 Such systems would have been so powerful for jet fighters that the=20 designers went with steam because it would be less stress on the=20 airframe over its life! Now that would be in interesting way to=20 launch a coaster.... (Insert you joke here, come on you know you are=20 thinking it...) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" =20 wrote: > > Sure. The end result is the same, but it's not really that simple. > Plus, if you want to get into a time line of who actually did what, > the hydraulic launches are basically a more powerful variation of=20 the > cable-lift system in that there's cable, catch car, and cable drum > plus torque. The same can be said, then, that those, in essence are=20 a > variation on the shuttle loop flywheel design. >=20 > It would seem to me that the S&S system would be a little simpler in > terms of execution, but I've never made an attempt as building one. >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Chris wrote: > > Why? > > > > In both cases, a pressurized system operates a ram, to spread > > pulleys, to pull a cable, to pull a catchcar, to pull the train.=20 Yes, > > the fluid dynamics are different, but the concept and execution is > > very similar. > > > > Chris > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > > > > wrote: > >> > >> if only there were someone on this list who had a masters degree=20 in > >> physics, he could probably explain how it's a completely=20 different > >> thing. > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Chris wrote: > >> > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" =20 wrote: > >> >> Hydra at Dorney is the only coaster I know of off the top of=20 my > > head > >> > that > >> >> has an inversion before it even hits the lift hill. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > Red Devil/Cliff Hanger at Ghost Town In The Sky, Supersonic > > Odyssey, > >> > Cosmo's World. > >> > :) > >> > > >> > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major=20 evolution. > > It > >> > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out=20 there. > >> > > >> > As for launching a coaster? Premier used LIMs in 1996, and S&S > > used > >> > compressed air in 2001. Xcellerator is in many ways the same > > mechanism > >> > as on Hypersonic, using hydraulic fluid instead of air as the > > prime > >> > mover. Not that big a leap, as far as I'm concered. That's just=20 my > >> > opnion, your milage may vary. > >> > > >> > Chris > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 21:15:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98069 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 05:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 05:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 05:15:11 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so9917635wff.10 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.210.4 with SMTP id i4mr9994176wfg.145.1231391711342; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:15:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:15:11 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=7HxYaFQaygR-OvT8NOvCqQXD_uNoyCMJAdp6USg6z7ioQr7DMrSntCs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > All of your examples (except for the rocket coaster) are > > larger versions of what had already been done. That's not introducing > > something new, it's jumping on proven successes. > its also a smarter business model. the one time that they tried to > introduce something new (TTD), it was a disaster. at least they didnt > have to deal with the X debacle. I never said it wasn't a smart business model. In fact, if I ran a company I'd do the same thing Cedar Fair has done with their "wait and see" approach to new concepts. However, as I also noted, if nobody ever took a chance on a new concept, we'd still be riding little side friction wooden coasters. Personally, Cedar Fair's disinclination to try new concepts has zero effect on my opinion of the corporation, but others had mention that they dislike the company for this reason. I think that's fair, even if I don't necessarily agree. And to be fair, TTD was not a new concept (Xcelerator was the first rocket coaster, and had functioned fairly flawlessly). > > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It > > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there. > which can be said about SROS, Goliath, Millineum Force, and many of the > other Intamins that people tend to fawn over. Nobody ever claimed SROS, Goliath, MF, and other Intamin hypercoasters were new concepts. People's enjoyment of those rides has nothing to do with whether or not they were new ideas. -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 21:38:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8455 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 05:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 05:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 05:38:55 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so2876246yxp.38 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.96.15 with SMTP id t15mr11380133agb.37.1231393134876; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:38:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901072138u3a40fceaie3645839ea58a107@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:38:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901071957r7208a6c2h83d51586f2840431@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=PDsabo6eVNzDZvXtppDicrYeyGylYVoHt6MBiMWtHR1w1awCvw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Amazingly enough, this is the only really decent picture I could find of a hydraulic launch "motor": http://www.hydraulicspneumatics.com/Content/Site200/Articles/07_01_2005/9810wantthrills_00000003598.jpg That's 1/2 of Dragster's - there are 16 single motors on that side of the drum, and 16 on the other. Each one turns, driving the ring gear they are connected to, which is connected to a planetary gearbox in the center of the "hub" which the cable is attached to. Each of the motors is, obviously, as you can see from the picture, fed by its own hydraulic line. There are nitrogen tanks that charge up (to something ridiculous like 4000 PSI) between launches, and when released by way of a valve and force a very large mass of fluid into those motors, and away it goes. I've been in the hydraulic room of XCelerator at Knott's, and it's a pretty awesome sight. Apparently, those motors are only running about 60% of their rated horsepower at any given time. Josh Now, I can go into how the S&S launches work if needed... On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Jon Osborn wrote: > Not having see any really data on what makes the the TTD and > Kingda Ka go I had presumed that since they coil a cable up they were > turbines and not pistons. Which is not what Chris said. I truly have > no idea what the engineers actually did. Neither ride is that > interesting for me personally. The Navy was using hydraulic systems > to launch planes before the Second World War. Nothing radical there. > If Cris' understanding is of the engineering is correct then he is > basically right: Both use a fluid under pressure to move a piston. > One use air the other (probably) uses a hydrocarbon liquid. Josh also > has a point there are a lot of details in the engineering. > I would think the next big thing would be a steam cat launch. If > I recall it gets a combat loaded aircraft to 120 mph. I would think > that would make 200 mph on a coaster a possibility. (Of course you > would only go that fast for a split second before the air resistance > really started to slow you down...) The steam launch system would at > its core be basically the same thing as the other two, fluid under > pressure moving a piston. Making all the details work out correctly > would be a trick, but I am sure it is workable. > The U.S. Navy is moving to electromagnetic launchers for the next > generation of carriers. That being the case I think the really > revolutionary idea in coaster launches was Flight of Fear. All the > other launch systems were used elsewhere before for something. FoF > was one of the first uses of a technology that (as it stands now) will > be adopted by something other then a roller coaster. That is really > cool when you think about it. Many have purposed an "assisted single > stage to orbit" system using the same basic principles. If that ever > comes to be FoF will probably wind up a "planetary" landmark. > None of this changes the fact that the TTD has the highest ratio > of lameness to hype ever. Not ridden the other ride discussed, don't > know about it. Now take that launch system and put it on a track > layout like BolderDash or the Beast, then you would have a ride! TTD > is a waist if kinetic energy. > Navies have also played around with from time to time "gunpowder" > launched systems. (You have powder on battleships why not use it!) > Such systems would have been so powerful for jet fighters that the > designers went with steam because it would be less stress on the > airframe over its life! Now that would be in interesting way to > launch a coaster.... (Insert you joke here, come on you know you are > thinking it...) > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Josh W" > wrote: >> >> Sure. The end result is the same, but it's not really that simple. >> Plus, if you want to get into a time line of who actually did what, >> the hydraulic launches are basically a more powerful variation of > the >> cable-lift system in that there's cable, catch car, and cable drum >> plus torque. The same can be said, then, that those, in essence are > a >> variation on the shuttle loop flywheel design. >> >> It would seem to me that the S&S system would be a little simpler in >> terms of execution, but I've never made an attempt as building one. >> >> Josh >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Chris wrote: >> > Why? >> > >> > In both cases, a pressurized system operates a ram, to spread >> > pulleys, to pull a cable, to pull a catchcar, to pull the train. > Yes, >> > the fluid dynamics are different, but the concept and execution is >> > very similar. >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> if only there were someone on this list who had a masters degree > in >> >> physics, he could probably explain how it's a completely > different >> >> thing. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Chris wrote: >> >> > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" > wrote: >> >> >> Hydra at Dorney is the only coaster I know of off the top of > my >> > head >> >> > that >> >> >> has an inversion before it even hits the lift hill. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Red Devil/Cliff Hanger at Ghost Town In The Sky, Supersonic >> > Odyssey, >> >> > Cosmo's World. >> >> > :) >> >> > >> >> > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major > evolution. >> > It >> >> > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out > there. >> >> > >> >> > As for launching a coaster? Premier used LIMs in 1996, and S&S >> > used >> >> > compressed air in 2001. Xcellerator is in many ways the same >> > mechanism >> >> > as on Hypersonic, using hydraulic fluid instead of air as the >> > prime >> >> > mover. Not that big a leap, as far as I'm concered. That's just > my >> >> > opnion, your milage may vary. >> >> > >> >> > Chris >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 22:30:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1834 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 06:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 06:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.174) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 06:30:00 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so8956111wfc.6 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.106.19 with SMTP id e19mr470906wfc.306.1231396200041; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:30:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:30:00 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901072138u3a40fceaie3645839ea58a107@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901071957r7208a6c2h83d51586f2840431@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0901072138u3a40fceaie3645839ea58a107@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=QQptcApwB3grZBQ6CKv7rmVq0iV3pXWv_AYEdC8pvLKYDKraeAojO18 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Now, I can go into how the S&S launches work if needed... If you're interested in how the S&S launch system works, there's a pretty decent explanation in this video from Extreme Rides 2001: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2bPK2n2L0 Probably more detail than you want to type out, Josh. :) -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Jan 07 22:44:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32068 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 06:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 06:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 06:44:26 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2862540yxb.73 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:44:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.80.18 with SMTP id d18mr11383079agb.19.1231397066086; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:44:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:44:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901072244o5e61e2enf536b33c455b8897@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:44:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901071957r7208a6c2h83d51586f2840431@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0901072138u3a40fceaie3645839ea58a107@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=-4bQjX9yOcSL8cNm4Nbjv6fUaeTo2jGr7tRFv4LG93yaUrI-QQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Yeah, probably - but it's basically a shot tower that's been knocked over and cranked up. :) Josh Oh, wow, they just said that. lol. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> Now, I can go into how the S&S launches work if needed... > > If you're interested in how the S&S launch system works, there's a > pretty decent explanation in this video from Extreme Rides 2001: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2bPK2n2L0 > > Probably more detail than you want to type out, Josh. :) > > -Nate > From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Jan 08 04:36:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8383 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 12:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 12:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 12:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 12:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 12:36:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:36:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901072138u3a40fceaie3645839ea58a107@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=e6cS5pdOgaewjP3t35BHrMM9Jb5Q21cLx_hu7N3P-3E X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Based on the info in the last two posts... I am really too lazy=20 to find this stuff myself. The air powered coaster is a direct=20 adaptation of the carrier technology: a piston catapult. The cable=20 launch system on the others looks complicated. I wonder why that is?=20 The technology was reliable in the 1930's so I am curious why the=20 builders added all that cable to the system. The picture looks like the circular hydraulic motors (turbins)=20 use on mowers and other things that spin, not like a piston. That is=20 also interesting. I would think the cable system would have a lot=20 more moving parts and would therefor be less reliable. I am guessing=20 this system can be reset more quickly, again it is all speculation.=20=20 It is also really bizarre that they use gas pressure to drive the=20 hydraulic fluid. Conventional hydraulic aircraft cats did not reach=20 speeds as high as the TTD, I wonder if you could ramp it up for the=20 launch? The fluid would have to be moving at the same speed as the=20 train. Interesting. The more I think about it the more I wonder why=20 they didn't use steam. The navy has retired and scraped enough=20 carriers in the last two decades to outfit lots of coasters....=20=20 To quote Sarek: No matter. Both launch systems give you less then=20 3 g's so they don't make the more acceleration then pulling out of a=20 moderate drop hill. Other then the direction of the acceleration there=20 is no real ride changing physics here. Neither technology is all that=20 "new." Although the hydraulic system does win the swiss watch award=20 between the two. (For the record I think the compressed air system is=20 better engineering. K.I.S.S.) =20=20=20=20 I will stick to my original thought. Compared to Electromagnetic=20 launches these rides both seem soooo 20th century. (Irony=20 intended...)=20 =20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 08 06:51:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6828 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 14:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 14:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 14:51:07 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so9656030wfg.15 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:51:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.207.8 with SMTP id e8mr10192865wfg.198.1231426266874; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:51:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:51:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:51:06 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901072138u3a40fceaie3645839ea58a107@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=pUQVuWZLLS2LA_vi_AUUVAC5jLyCxnE9t4c92Nd33cJIi-nU4CfSY1I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I will stick to my original thought. Compared to Electromagnetic > launches these rides both seem soooo 20th century. (Irony > intended...) The rocket & air launched coasters may be using "older" technology, but certainly there's a reason for it. I'm no engineer, but I'm guessing Intamin would have gladly used electromagnetic launches on their rocket coasters if they could achieve the acceleration rates that the hydraulic launch system can produce. -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Jan 08 06:51:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5298 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 14:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 14:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 14:51:27 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so2910139yxp.34 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:51:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.98.13 with SMTP id v13mr11536429agb.112.1231426286492; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:51:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:51:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901080651r6bb2e922l5d1b7166c1cb20b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:51:26 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901072138u3a40fceaie3645839ea58a107@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=vV6qRPK3m-Rk-xw7xbJ3SRdXTWI1jj4xnmM-fTDobjVe7fqs5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny You're 100% correct on the hydraulic launch systems using turbines in place of pistons. The reason for the gas? There's no chance you'd be able to get the volume of fluid through those turbines that is needed without it because A.) you can't really pressurize a liquid/fluid (nobody try and get technical on this, I know that on SOME level, but let's just keep this as easy as we can... ) and B.) It would be way inefficient to try and store and move that much oil. As far as keeping it simple, I think the reasoning comes down to a couple of factors, most notably, the weight of the trains. Those hydraulic systems are straight (excuse my term here) balls-to-the-wall horsepower and torque, and even the smallest of motors are capable of launching some pretty hefty trains (XCelerator's motor is greatly smaller than Dragster's, yet it is capable of powering Dragster although it would be operating under much higher loads, causing wear over time etc..) TTD launches 1 train, carrying 18 riders, equipped with hydraulic restraints, fiberglass panels, metal/urethane wheels PLUS rare earth magnets on each car, every minute or so for 12 hours a day in the summer. The S&S Rides seat 8 riders per train, and they have air filled wheels, standard fin brakes etc. Definitely much lighter. What's my point? How do you make an air launch system move a heavier object at the same speed? Volume. You can't launch a potato with a can of keyboard duster, but a 5 gallon compressor tank? sure. They're both wonderful ways to accomplish the same thing, for the most part, and they are both relatively energy efficient for the task they are trying to accomplish, believe it or not. Someone's going to come in and make it sound like I'm playing the Intamin fanboy card, and while I do in fact love Intamin rides - I'm only talking about the hydraulic launches right now. Josh On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Jon Osborn wrote: > Based on the info in the last two posts... I am really too lazy > to find this stuff myself. The air powered coaster is a direct > adaptation of the carrier technology: a piston catapult. The cable > launch system on the others looks complicated. I wonder why that is? > The technology was reliable in the 1930's so I am curious why the > builders added all that cable to the system. > > The picture looks like the circular hydraulic motors (turbins) > use on mowers and other things that spin, not like a piston. That is > also interesting. I would think the cable system would have a lot > more moving parts and would therefor be less reliable. I am guessing > this system can be reset more quickly, again it is all speculation. > It is also really bizarre that they use gas pressure to drive the > hydraulic fluid. Conventional hydraulic aircraft cats did not reach > speeds as high as the TTD, I wonder if you could ramp it up for the > launch? The fluid would have to be moving at the same speed as the > train. Interesting. The more I think about it the more I wonder why > they didn't use steam. The navy has retired and scraped enough > carriers in the last two decades to outfit lots of coasters.... > > To quote Sarek: No matter. Both launch systems give you less then > 3 g's so they don't make the more acceleration then pulling out of a > moderate drop hill. Other then the direction of the acceleration there > is no real ride changing physics here. Neither technology is all that > "new." Although the hydraulic system does win the swiss watch award > between the two. (For the record I think the compressed air system is > better engineering. K.I.S.S.) > > I will stick to my original thought. Compared to Electromagnetic > launches these rides both seem soooo 20th century. (Irony > intended...) > > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jan 08 07:08:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67109 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 15:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 15:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 15:08:15 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so2640836ywh.75 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:08:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.231.14.196 with SMTP id h4mr1025477iba.36.1231427294744; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:08:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.231.16.76 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:08:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <165816ef0901080708p23182f80j410bb206ab8dda7b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:08:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901080651r6bb2e922l5d1b7166c1cb20b4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76e1ec0a0901072138u3a40fceaie3645839ea58a107@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0901080651r6bb2e922l5d1b7166c1cb20b4@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=7at1CT57qGkfVLh3t5QFFWzGP-mK8qFz4P5DwegJaGSKtO0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The S&S Rides seat 8 riders per train, and they have air filled wheels, standard fin brakes etc. Definitely much lighter." However, the system can launch longer trains, as on Powderkeg. That is essentially the same system as Hypersonic & Dodonpa. Also, I believe the earlier S&S launchers had solid rubber tires, like an aircraft, not air-filled. Regardless, they were still disasters. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 10:28:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41456 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 18:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 18:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.224) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 18:28:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44146 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2009 18:28:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wsqzmecVM1mi9Hf8yv4vIY47aEDl3AxvpbpBB94Px4j8PYRzwI6Zto..eHAjHZQ4ILeNTftGveoceeucDhOgb4z8EgsWRoMnLgZa6_BOmRQU8RjhHf5yHujm.JcdQKaOy1X06_VzjzsNYigIj4ES.wxcB32JlAOezFZ1P7a18Vx.fATUkO_mOiLXnLDB2RSIgs_F.aoIdGEVG2Iq9YzpoECiA3K6vA-- X-Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:28:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:28:44 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <467357.42472.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=f8jWqJLYnNxYTF14ZtYHD5sZLTnhB55pvBiBcvvcEbPdNBFw X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: "The rocket & air launched coasters may be using "older" technology, but certainly there's a reason for it. I'm no engineer, but I'm guessing Intamin would have gladly used electromagnetic launches on their rocket coasters if they could achieve the acceleration rates that the hydraulic launch system can produce." Especially when one considers that Intamin has been working with electromagnetics about as long as anyone (S:TE was *supposed* to open in 1996, same year as OL:FoF). Additionally, they had to be pretty comfortable with LIMs after Volcano and the impulse coasters. There must have been some compelling reason for them to abandon the magnets in favor of hydraulics. lata, jeremy From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Jan 08 11:22:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89172 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <467357.42472.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=MwLHONW4zLJtxhj0G0jfnR1ogeRJPWBixUivJHZmMSY X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Probably three reasons: Cost, space and image. To bring up the power of the E&M system you need more volts. You do=20 that by adding capacitors. They are expensive and they take up space.=20=20 There is an upper limit to the current that can be pushed safely=20 through a wire. That shouldn't really be a problem you could just=20 have more coils and a lower current, that would also add to the cost.=20=20 As to the image thing, how big a magnetic field do you want to expose=20 the "public" too? You really don't want folk having plates ripped out=20 of their heads like an MRI can do. Everyone must pass through a metal=20 detector before riding this ride... Not a good thing. Imagine=20 sitting near the guy with the piercing (named after the husband of a=20 queen..) who didn't want to take in off and put it in the locker=20 before he go on the ride..... I also think there was a though of connecting in with other products=20 that the customers have. I don't know if the cables for the MF and=20 the TTD are interchangeable or not. I am guessing the skills set of=20 the crews that to the "care and feeding" of the systems can overlap=20 even if the parts don't. That would be one example. The video flat=20 out said that the air launcher was similar to the ones used for the=20 drop rides... You can make E&M do whatever you want it to in the way of acceleration=20 if you have the money and the space. The biggest problem developing=20 an "Eraser" type weapon is getting a capacitor that will hold enough=20 voltage small enough to be carried. I still think a gunpowder or solid rocket fuel launch would be the=20 bomb...(rim shot... I will be here all week!)=20=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris=20 wrote: > > --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > "The rocket & air launched coasters may be using "older" technology, > but certainly there's a reason for it. I'm no engineer, but I'm > guessing Intamin would have gladly used electromagnetic launches on > their rocket coasters if they could achieve the acceleration rates > that the hydraulic launch system can produce." >=20 > Especially when one considers that Intamin has been working with=20 electromagnetics about as long as anyone (S:TE was *supposed* to open=20 in 1996, same year as OL:FoF). Additionally, they had to be pretty=20 comfortable with LIMs after Volcano and the impulse coasters. There=20 must have been some compelling reason for them to abandon the magnets=20 in favor of hydraulics. > lata, jeremy > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 08 11:31:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45691 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 19:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 19:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f13.google.com) (209.85.217.13) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 19:31:44 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so8479551gxk.11 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.210.8 with SMTP id i8mr6927822wfg.139.1231443104194; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:31:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:31:44 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <467357.42472.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=hkPka7U47YQVaUz_3bR6qDVWqcm8_EMxy_DmFiqKj7V7-pB6BXLI57I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Imagine > sitting near the guy with the piercing (named after the husband of a > queen..) who didn't want to take in off and put it in the locker > before he go on the ride..... I don't think queens are married to princes. ;) > You can make E&M do whatever you want it to in the way of acceleration > if you have the money and the space. Sure, but obviously companies are going to do things the cheapest and most efficient way possible. In this case, it seems as though a hydraulic launch system was the way to go. -Nate From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 13:08:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37540 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 21:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 21:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.224) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:08:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58165 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2009 21:08:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 73LH1MgVM1nYxwxm2KnFw7oZK1d7gXb_A3acYnG3zHih84RxRzfI6Au1kW7AS9rLIL6MwRsU9dbRm._Lcs42iXILKefRDthsS61VIbQ1QyVQTlleJisqXYMb2TZtYHY6EdunS1cBGj0CIwuEzE7Vo1jHJ7eh9ysaBUTgc_AzgqIqTNs624qcL0kswsV6oBz71EY9mjAVEoAcD9Sr.6QFWoF4r6pTzw-- X-Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:08:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <420971.57438.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=IEA4t-NrKaUFIwLvisIcpGJBImStmHSnjolQdq6HSyX36szp X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 2:31 PM > Imagine > sitting near the guy with the piercing (named after the husband of a > queen..) who didn't want to take in off and put it in the locker > before he go on the ride..... "I don't think queens are married to princes. ;)" Actually, though some quirk in British d.history, Queen Victoria's husband was indeed titled "Prince" Albert. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert,_Prince_Consort ) And to bring it back to the RCTalk realm, it's interesting that Prince Albert has that piercing named after him as well as a restaurant in Walk Disney World. lata, jeremy From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Jan 08 13:23:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20515 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 21:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 21:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 21:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 21:23:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:23:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=R6OIs07cCtNSs2R9464blRa0lgMeavGN2_NtxqnA8rkCbV0Fzg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > ...The more I think about it the more I wonder why=20 > they didn't use steam.=20=20 Because of the danger. Steam is hot (really, really hot). Compressed=20 air, not so much. And the S&S versions do not really pump up to very=20 high pressures. In case of catastrophic failure, there's much reduced=20 chance of injury. Jon Z (at least, that's what I remember Checketts saying once) From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jan 08 15:05:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26698 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 23:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 23:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.170) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:05:13 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so9658890wfc.22 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:05:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr10380946wfh.307.1231455913508; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:05:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.241.3 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:05:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:05:13 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <420971.57438.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <420971.57438.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=W6c5h6WS91UHUAiKOWifKBNqfEUvZ_MCaEHpNoNToL4WctX0zQsh1cc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Actually, though some quirk in British d.history, Queen Victoria's husband > was indeed titled "Prince" Albert. ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert,_Prince_Consort ) I guess I need to brush up on my history of British royalty. Love the Disney World tie-in though! -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 15:07:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73680 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 23:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 23:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 23:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 23:07:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:07:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AhHTP_oybXWbWcIeb5tRR9JaRf2mft5n1gQ3TWARbvb7gaG3EA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 For reference, (Since aircraft carrier catapult systems seem to keep=20 coming up) the current system uses high pressure steam, which is indeed=20 extremely dangerous stuff.=20 Aircraft weight is typically maxed out around 17 tons with fuel and=20 weapons, give or take. Length of the catapult is about 300 feet. maximum speed is usually 160 knots, or 15 knots above minimum flight=20 speed for the specific aircraft being launched. (The wings' lift is=20 also increased by the carrier steaming at full speed into the wind at=20 30+ knots) These launch speeds are achieved in about 4 seconds. (The first 150 mph=20 happens in the first 2 seconds) The shuttle (we coaster types usually call it a catchcar) is stopped=20 with a waterbrake system.=20 The next carrier, currently being constructed, will have LIM driven=20 catapults. The end statistics should be about the same.=20 Chris =20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "zucker0615" =20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > wrote: > > ...The more I think about it the more I wonder why=20 > > they didn't use steam.=20=20 >=20 > Because of the danger. Steam is hot (really, really hot). Compressed=20 > air, not so much. And the S&S versions do not really pump up to very=20 > high pressures. In case of catastrophic failure, there's much reduced=20 > chance of injury. >=20 > Jon Z (at least, that's what I remember Checketts saying once) > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 16:09:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74130 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 00:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 00:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 00:09:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30298 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2009 00:09:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eYKC8DMVM1k2TVN5VPMvtusl9AYsBU9A9G6IYVldt7IOqkf6u4BNmgEym3qgPbSH405wR9LYGFXdJnr_EFoOkDuBUAP_ZZ1RxW7_pZI71Ita.hofE.typ1T9t8_zppHJWteUhXm5gKoSyyNzQ1o8t6flM.h2lZ7WnZOd5Sw7P8UhltM- X-Received: from [72.79.197.99] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:09:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:09:25 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1231333063.5371.4244.m46@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <404010.28527.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=d9fU25TJteFQ-gI6HV-iRGt69fnCbTKBwTrTMn50cTjDpBy1vbny X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > El Toro is my favorite ride, but I seek out smaller parks as well as large ones. My hoped for trip this June will be to the older, smaller parks of PA....Waldameer, Lakemont, Idlewild < I too absolutely loved El Toro. I wish SFGAdv would show a bit more love to Rolling Thunder, which could be a great coaster as well. I'm glad to hear you'll be checking out the smaller parks. You've picked three of my faves. You'll love Ravine Flyer II; absolutely incredible ride. Leap the Dips at Lakemont was one of the few coasters I've ever ridden that had me laughing the whole way. It was a really fun one-of-a-kind experience. Idlewild's Wild Mouse was bizarre and terrifying. Have a great trip! Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 16:12:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37159 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 00:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 00:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 00:11:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65963 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2009 00:11:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LtcMQ9QVM1lVTT_TuV2ETf6KASJ94ZPbGXfNqLCT2Vl7_8cUniuYMbYofhknLyz92E3IFYT684zAcChUWjrLjyj7JKw7kOYev4Pt4dYDK_OUqNw3KNcBuEEEfm.fOnd.lP0LHqUOxMZHaOwTnZHH0PpYE.yJxF8wTnwCyFfKxhbfvEw- X-Received: from [72.79.197.99] by web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:11:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:11:58 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1231333063.5371.4244.m46@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <901295.13770.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: was SF vs CF (again) or B&M vs Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=nY5qF1IqgmG4yI0kM0JooKCUoKBGcdcE1LMwRygXIHChI33uuIOP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Heck, George -- I didn't know you were a pastor! Our church just chose a new pastor after a two year search. If I'd known you were looking, I would have given you a heads-up. Jay From shine_kema@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 18:54:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: shine_kema@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17374 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 02:54:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 02:54:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.251) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:54:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50958 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2009 02:54:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WiF42m0VM1mDILZHSEktBTPjYIHfSFKcD2ryi4WVGqlJLFKAM5kPMkGn X-Received: from [68.142.243.80] by web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:54:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:54:01 -0800 (PST) To: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <817588.27918.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bryanna Williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=301879310; y=6CLrxXyl9gt4NyJUZPXm6Lmd8Kz6odeMU_L9Ox3xE1G4KYPOFA X-Yahoo-Profile: shine_kema Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jay I agree that Rolling Thunder at SFGAdv should be shown more love. Like they should have both lanes open together more often, afterall it is a dueling/racing wooden coaster. Or they can add a tunnel towards the final stretch which would be sort of interesting. Overall this coaster is great as it is but If they can "up the ante" for Medusa this year than the should do the same for the old RT coaster. I'll be the first to admit that it is very hard to enjoy RT after riding the mega woodie El toro. Warmest regards, Bryanna On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > El Toro is my favorite ride, but I seek out smaller parks as well as large ones. My hoped for trip this June will be to the older, smaller parks of PA....Waldameer, Lakemont, Idlewild < I too absolutely loved El Toro. I wish SFGAdv would show a bit more love to Rolling Thunder, which could be a great coaster as well. I'm glad to hear you'll be checking out the smaller parks. You've picked three of my faves. You'll love Ravine Flyer II; absolutely incredible ride. Leap the Dips at Lakemont was one of the few coasters I've ever ridden that had me laughing the whole way. It was a really fun one-of-a-kind experience. Idlewild's Wild Mouse was bizarre and terrifying. Have a great trip! Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Jan 08 19:11:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37138 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 03:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 03:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 03:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 03:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 03:10:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:10:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=gKMdglRxJg_ej-otEyZJwbJRfUNAAxQkNMKCFtiFScU X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > For reference, (Since aircraft carrier catapult systems seem to keep=20 > coming up) the current system uses high pressure steam, which is=20 indeed=20 > extremely dangerous stuff.=20 Josh documented that the air was at 4000psi. Let me translate: About=20 272 Atmospheres! (One fourth the pressure at the bottom of the=20 Challenger Deep.) If not operated correctly I am sure you could kill=20 just as many people as you wanted to. The only way to get something going from 0 to 120 mph in four seconds=20 is to have a lot of power at your disposal. That kind of power is=20 going to be dangerous no matter what form it takes. As to why no steam? Well it was meant as a rhetorical remark. You=20 would have to generate the steam (Disney is supposed to be allowed to=20 build a nuclear reactor on the grounds right?). This would probably=20 be done with coal, producing nasty black smoke. Pipe it (the steam not=20 the smoke..) to the ride. Probably underground to keep John Q. away=20 from it. Way too much trouble (expense) for the increase in=20 performance you would get. The hydraulic system currently holds the=20 record (until the ring racer opens up) you don't need it and it would=20 be more expensive.=20=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Jan 08 21:27:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96334 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 05:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 05:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:27:44 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so2997314ywb.53 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:27:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.97.16 with SMTP id u16mr11985387agb.52.1231478862681; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:27:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:27:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901082127w1dd74f03qc80fc6a681bd6915@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:27:42 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: NEWS: Quassy announces proposal for new wooden roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=CffycMHa4YUcr1nDYa0aNgJ8veNE8i3GsU4xxFKV0zB1jKMu7g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Quassy announces proposal for new wooden roller coaster (Jan 8, 2009) Quassy Amusement Park, Middlebury, Conn., will be proposing the construction of a new wooden roller coaster at the February meeting of the Town of Middlebury Planning & Zoning Commission. The proposed 1,200-foot-long coaster would stand 35-feet-tall and be constructed by The Gravity Group of Cincinnati. This is the first step in the process to build the coaster with a construction start date to be determined should the town approve the project. Quassy Amusement Park opens its 101st season Apr. 25. The family-owned, family-oriented park charges no general admission. All-day wristbands or individual ride tickets are available. For more information visit www.quassy.com. For additional details, and a rendering, check out http://www.amusementtoday.com/ Josh From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jan 08 21:42:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16044 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 05:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 05:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:42:15 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so1169444gxk.14 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.19.204 with SMTP id c12mr1084875ibb.5.1231479734230; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901082127w1dd74f03qc80fc6a681bd6915@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e1ec0a0901082127w1dd74f03qc80fc6a681bd6915@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901082142y31efab57re7cd98a18213714b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Quassy announces proposal for new wooden roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Udrjx6J1_s0bT9KCwxVhAv12N0OE2_GlbC-t_Mksr_hUOfs X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska first freaking GCI in new england and it's 35 feet tall. That better be an amazing 1200 feet of track or I'm gonna be pissed! Eh, it probably won't even make it past the city board. If it does, I obviously welcome any new coaster to my area. That park is a death trap though. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Josh W wrote: > Quassy announces proposal for new wooden roller coaster (Jan 8, 2009) > > Quassy Amusement Park, Middlebury, Conn., will be proposing the > construction of a new wooden roller coaster at the February meeting of > the Town of Middlebury Planning & Zoning Commission. > > The proposed 1,200-foot-long coaster would stand 35-feet-tall and be > constructed by The Gravity Group of Cincinnati. > > This is the first step in the process to build the coaster with a > construction start date to be determined should the town approve the > project. > > Quassy Amusement Park opens its 101st season Apr. 25. The > family-owned, family-oriented park charges no general admission. > All-day wristbands or individual ride tickets are available. For more > information visit www.quassy.com. > > For additional details, and a rendering, check out > http://www.amusementtoday.com/ > > Josh > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Jan 08 21:49:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50541 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 05:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 05:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:48:59 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so3764076yxg.37 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:48:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr12004528agc.36.1231480138724; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:48:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.54.13 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:48:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901082148u6d333db2oc2ebe436ffa35b6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:48:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0901082142y31efab57re7cd98a18213714b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <76e1ec0a0901082127w1dd74f03qc80fc6a681bd6915@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0901082142y31efab57re7cd98a18213714b@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh W" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Quassy announces proposal for new wooden roller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=VX6_lbmWjHPGe__v-r55xMOjoHJlwdqu8QbyUBPofLJy8x0g7w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Its a Gravity Group, not a GCI. :) I don't know, though - at 35 feet, it should be able to make it by the board. Also, they can explain they they will be taking down their mouse in the near future (**possibly**) so that could help their case. Josh On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Michael Cowan wrote: > first freaking GCI in new england and it's 35 feet tall. That better > be an amazing 1200 feet of track or I'm gonna be pissed! > > Eh, it probably won't even make it past the city board. If it does, I > obviously welcome any new coaster to my area. That park is a death > trap though. > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Josh W wrote: >> Quassy announces proposal for new wooden roller coaster (Jan 8, 2009) >> >> Quassy Amusement Park, Middlebury, Conn., will be proposing the >> construction of a new wooden roller coaster at the February meeting of >> the Town of Middlebury Planning & Zoning Commission. >> >> The proposed 1,200-foot-long coaster would stand 35-feet-tall and be >> constructed by The Gravity Group of Cincinnati. >> >> This is the first step in the process to build the coaster with a >> construction start date to be determined should the town approve the >> project. >> >> Quassy Amusement Park opens its 101st season Apr. 25. The >> family-owned, family-oriented park charges no general admission. >> All-day wristbands or individual ride tickets are available. For more >> information visit www.quassy.com. >> >> For additional details, and a rendering, check out >> http://www.amusementtoday.com/ >> >> Josh >> >> > From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Jan 08 21:53:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6905 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cdd.44ddc884 (42808) for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:53:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:53:38 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Quassy announces proposal for new wooden roller... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=-2vIRxwaUlX1cZ2rUNXYhtTQUf7RMV4gQbMbgIfJgQy6i_oSzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/2009 12:49:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, josh.wozny@gmail.com writes: "Also, they can explain they they will be taking down their mouse in the near future (**possibly*mouse in the near future (**po OH NO! They can't take the mouse down! Imo, that is by far the best mouse in the entire state of Connecticut! That's a classic! I would love a Gravity Group woody, too, but they can't take the mouse out for it! **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Jan 09 05:29:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91073 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 13:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 13:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 13:29:50 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2692252yxb.57 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:29:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.20.5 with SMTP id d5mr1109291ibb.25.1231507789354; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:29:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:29:49 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901090529h19c1f963mb2dfce255343b272@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Quassy announces proposal for new wooden roller... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=MEfPROjruNcHrHdUjgJoVMkXycAZ3FFhHAGU0SJWWAXw3Q8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska well its the best mouse in ct but its also the only mouse in ct. and plus that ride is about to fall over at any minute On 1/9/09, Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/9/2009 12:49:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > josh.wozny@gmail.com writes: > > "Also, they can explain they they will be taking down their > mouse in the near future (**possibly*mouse in the near future (**po > OH NO! They can't take the mouse down! Imo, that is by far the best mouse > in > the entire state of > Connecticut! That's a classic! I would love a Gravity Group woody, too, but > they can't take the mouse out for it! > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Jan 09 06:05:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68137 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 14:05:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 14:05:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 14:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 14:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 14:05:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:05:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.106.82.73 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=vv4G2QYgO9J3ziQSFQ2OFSKTqnwytptcCQDWtdDGbQMMfwhR2tTLq3LohQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > I don't fawn over Intamins, in fact, I=20 > tend to not like that company. They make decent enough rides, but I=20 > feel they unnecesarily under-engineer the safety systems.=20 what do you mean? im kinda lost on that.=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Jan 09 07:23:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65230 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 15:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 15:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 15:23:11 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so7068442yxn.88 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:23:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.19.204 with SMTP id c12mr1120164ibb.39.1231514590598; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:23:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:23:10 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901090723n126dc425xe488684916ab9c7d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=7NxkmPIQ-d4ifbZ-rG_UVBFrIDPQjB3nBIDIxfQa1OMnY3g X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska There have been a whole bunch of intamin related fatalities over the past few years. sros, perilous plunge, the first and second gen free falls, the other sros incident. intamin makes the best rides imo, but even vekomas are safer. On 1/9/09, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" > wrote: >> I don't fawn over Intamins, in fact, I >> tend to not like that company. They make decent enough rides, but I >> feel they unnecesarily under-engineer the safety systems. > > what do you mean? im kinda lost on that. > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jan 09 07:37:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61649 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 15:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 15:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 15:37:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24465 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 15:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Jan 2009 15:37:28 -0000 Message-ID: <49676EC6.4090406@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:35:34 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=PiZhvggihYjjbtcM0sB2P6vvgA-NLWe2UDfL0K0gRfelfvjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > in the end though, its all about the bottom line and keeping the > customers happy. and who has a better track record at the moment? who > cares how you get there, as long as you do. Yup .. and in that regards I place Six Flags light-years ahead of Cedar Fair. At a Six Flags park I've never had a mustard dispenser explode on me, or goose grap *everywhere*, or about 7 other things that made me hope I'd never have to return to Cedar Point again! :) Cameron. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jan 09 07:41:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69374 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 15:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 15:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 15:41:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28119 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 15:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Jan 2009 15:41:05 -0000 Message-ID: <49676F9F.3060802@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:39:11 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=6iv3UTSKxxGArfKxu_3XnRcYMXMKbEhdQzOtFj6M--9uHy7_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> What the original post said was that Cedar Fair never introduces >> anything new; they simply build larger versions of already-proven > > its also a smarter business model. the one time that they tried to It's smarter than the Six Flags model (dump absolutely *everything* into new technology), but it's certainly not a smart model. Lazy, and safe .. sure .. but not smart. Had Six Flags done what they did, but kept it a little more in control, then they would be absolutely booming now. Look at the list of firsts I posted and notice how skewed it is towards Six Flags .. that was their problem, they didn't know when to stop. The fact that they took risks and invested in new technology is absolutely, positively the right thing to do (in any industry). Cameron. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Jan 09 08:11:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63978 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 16:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 16:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omta0105.mta.everyone.net) (216.200.145.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 16:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E18740279 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:13:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 1894cb8e) id sj1-dm103.4962ad1d.148257 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:11:25 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQLpJOlJZ3ctYQc5sAIAAAAB,fe48992bb0e37fa6c81425b70f18c1ff Message-ID: <1A76333CB86C455A9ECDAF836D08B9E7@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <49676F9F.3060802@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <49676F9F.3060802@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:11:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=j6dmkWnkwwFB08cIfyYts6-TQ8A_JdMagXm8Nza9RMZSDcDv003vAdJm6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>> What the original post said was that Cedar Fair never introduces >>> anything new; they simply build larger versions of already-proven >> >> its also a smarter business model. the one time that they tried to > > It's smarter than the Six Flags model (dump absolutely *everything* into > new technology), but it's certainly not a smart model. Lazy, and safe .. > sure .. but not smart. Had Six Flags done what they did, but kept it a > little more in control, then they would be absolutely booming now. You know, I've got to interupt here... There are reasons why you may think Cedar Fair was not a smart player by taking the safe route, who's got more financial problems now? Certainly not Cedar Fair... Six Flags is the one in trouble. Cedar Fair's only financial woes came from the attempt to swallow Paramount Parks, a company equal in size to their own. Both Cedar Fair and Paramount Parks were successful chains, both of which also were known for playing it safe for the most part with their moves in the industry. (Paramount's only real risks both ended up as flops...The Vekoma Flying Dutchmans, Hypersonic and Son of Beast) But before the buyout... they were both rock solid companies... And lets point out who is perhaps the ultimate "play it safe" player in the industry... Anheuser-Busch. Off the top of my head I can only think of one time that the Busch parks decided not to play it safe and stick with proven technology, which was when they built Rhino Rally, and it also bit them in the ass. But the Busch parks make more money any of the Six Flags, Paramount or Cedar Fair parks, putting them just below Disney and Universal. Certainly playing it safe when it came to how they built new attractions has paid off for them, and there are very few people who would complain about the quality level of the Busch coasters... From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 11:36:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8340 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 19:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 19:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 19:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 19:36:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:35:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <404010.28527.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.138.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: coaster withdrawl X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=mX2my4Gz6NRJYPPY9B4Q7700URrRoOT1JqAP_qC04zLZqKExAm9G X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > > El Toro is my favorite ride, but I seek out smaller parks as well=20 as large ones. My hoped for trip this June will be to the older,=20 smaller parks of PA....Waldameer, Lakemont, Idlewild < >=20 > I too absolutely loved El Toro. I wish SFGAdv would show a bit=20 more love to Rolling Thunder, which could be a great coaster as well. >=20 > I'm glad to hear you'll be checking out the smaller parks. You've=20 picked three of my faves. You'll love Ravine Flyer II; absolutely=20 incredible ride. Leap the Dips at Lakemont was one of the few=20 coasters I've ever ridden that had me laughing the whole way. It was=20 a really fun one-of-a-kind experience. Idlewild's Wild Mouse was=20 bizarre and terrifying. Have a great trip! >=20 > Jay > Thanks, Jay. I had never really heard anything about Idlewild's=20 Mouse. Terrifying? Even more so than (cough,cough) Dark Knight? Mike From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 12:27:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98501 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 20:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 20:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 20:27:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 20:27:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 20:27:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Hard Rock Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=GOdvaT6IV-klnCaje0Zw3HNeLtZZf2-o7yeyVjFyVWPz9O1kW2dvbGw X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I don't know if anyone posted about this but I just read that Hard Rock=20 filed chapter 7 bankruptcy which apparently means they will not be=20 reopening. Wow. Is this the shortest life of a theme park alltime or=20 what. I was really hoping to check it out someday too. It looked=20 pretty cool. Terrible timing to start a park. Matt From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 12:36:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17606 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 20:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 20:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 20:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 20:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 20:36:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:36:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Steel Hawg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=2Q56e-lDyAhjwnDpgC_6XGyji18kO-FsHmrjvbhFYbDnycLaHrBL9LA X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Did Indiana Beach ever finish Steel Hawg and if so did anyone get to=20 ride it and is it any good?=20=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Jan 09 13:23:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95943 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 21:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 21:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f12.google.com) (209.85.217.12) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:23:44 -0000 X-Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so1454163gxk.12 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:23:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.12.12 with SMTP id v12mr1148338ibv.43.1231536224195; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:23:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:23:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901091323y36b5e546w3aa531e2d31ae20@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hard Rock Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=RqRNiA0VChiotllCPG_I1xG2OuN0tFbPp6dHeYwCLzxDPX8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I was hoping to make it next summer...stopped planning for that trip around last july. On 1/9/09, Matt wrote: > I don't know if anyone posted about this but I just read that Hard Rock > filed chapter 7 bankruptcy which apparently means they will not be > reopening. Wow. Is this the shortest life of a theme park alltime or > what. I was really hoping to check it out someday too. It looked > pretty cool. Terrible timing to start a park. > Matt > > From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 18:18:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40819 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2009 02:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2009 02:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 02:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2009 02:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2009 02:18:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:18:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.25.60.25 From: "WILEY" Subject: Discovery Science - Colossal Construction - Hard Rock Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=N-zXqwwp7C-UyRbFBdMvFoGJE16ONrpCSWs54tBsLtWpCssFERa7j0TAZF6LpM5J X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 They just had a show on showing the building of the park. Hopefully=20 they will replay it later tonight. It was very interesting,=20 especially Maximum RPM. They showed the construction of the ferris=20 wheel loading system which is very cool. It seems such a shame that=20 the construction crew put so much into getting the park done on time=20 and it was for nothing. It would be nice if someone could buy the=20 park and maybe work out an arrangement to get some time to pay off the=20 debt and make the park a profitable destination. With some patience=20 and hard work I think the park could be a great success for Myrtle=20 Beach and the surrounding area. 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Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hard Rock Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=6pkznEQOkGiiefsD3id6oXt7PuZUgSUhNF7g_TKX7gBoV-6P8zE6gm4WP_joVUK- X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's right I forgot about that one.=A0 It is still a shame either way. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hard Rock Theme Park To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:03 PM In a message dated 1/9/2009 3:28:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 mathew_mcguire@ yahoo.com writes: "Is this the shortest life of a theme park alltime or=20 what. " Brian Neal writes: Actually, its not. 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See yours in just 2 eas= y=20 steps!=20 (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redi= r=3D http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=3D668072% 26hmpg= ID=3D 62%26bcd=3D De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 11:11:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46129 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2009 19:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2009 19:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 19:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2009 19:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.230] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2009 19:11:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:11:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered in Chapter 9. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=dQtdvmeWsq55Jn59xcYenPU7jnQNQ5kjcTY3-eiaBoJ6GMxwodg3 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: >> I still think a gunpowder or solid rocket fuel launch would be the=20 > bomb... Wait... isn't that how Powder Keg works??? If not, that's falsoe=20 advertising. -Brian From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 16:01:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32738 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 00:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 00:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 00:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2009 00:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2009 00:00:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:00:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=vxdgQnDdJNRLD2VzBEO9FQxub1-Rkah37tBE-56dIg0nuGhkjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 > wrote: > > I don't fawn over Intamins, in fact, I=20 > > tend to not like that company. They make decent enough rides, but I=20 > > feel they unnecesarily under-engineer the safety systems.=20 >=20 > what do you mean? im kinda lost on that. Just compare death records on B&M and Intamin. AFAIK, there's never=20 been a death on a B&M that was NOT either a pre-existing medical=20 condition, or somebody getting hit by a train.=20 Intamin's record, on the other hand, is littered with people being=20 ejected from rides, showered with hydraulic fluid, steel cable shards,=20 etc. I know maintenance issues and/or operator error are often a factor=20 in these horrible events, but the comparison is still striking.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 16:04:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65003 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 00:04:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 00:04:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 00:04:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2009 00:04:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.95] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2009 00:04:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:04:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Steel Hawg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=welNKcbnZ9sjdQyeNFhkkvO9apC8ho4GvzGaF0DPpBgo6nnOsg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 wrote: > > Did Indiana Beach ever finish Steel Hawg and if so did anyone get to=20 > ride it and is it any good? > It opened and operated, but the day I went it was having technical=20 problems and I didn't get to ride.=20 (www.rcdb.com is your friend.) Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 16:06:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50765 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 00:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 00:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 00:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2009 00:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.107] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2009 00:06:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:06:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Hard Rock Theme Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=3Z_fj5CzuOh_krhcyP60Q7FkRW_QwV5HGnEQWOdOYXpONNM9gw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Wild West World, just outside of Wichita, Kansas operated for=20 something like 34 days. Maybe it was 54, but it was less than 2=20 months.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > >=20=20 > In a message dated 1/9/2009 3:28:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20=20 > mathew_mcguire@... writes: >=20 > "Is this the shortest life of a theme park alltime or=20 > what. " >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Brian Neal writes: >=20=20 > Actually, its not. I believe there was a small park in Kansas or=20 Missouri=20=20 > somewhere that opened and only made it like a month or so and=20 closed down. I=20=20 > think Hard Rock was open longer than that.=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in=20 just 2 easy=20 > steps!=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol? redir=3Dhttp://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072% 26hmpgID=3D62%26bcd=3DDe > cemailfooterNO62) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 16:52:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64701 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 00:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 00:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 00:52:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70486 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2009 00:52:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HvaF5fAVM1nwzKfdZRRtHlZYjoClUFX0pojBavDhYsvBWy9n.KXWlerd08nhtI09QxiE77GTG.RfTCLvM7mZJ2llWyRoNwFsDtAmvdDys6dJXze9EeeXOMcnpYcfF3ver2jebhwKksazDfwpXwnWr23i7wQwwsP8romIZ8cFwtRmLUM- X-Received: from [72.79.197.99] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:52:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:52:25 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <981069.67962.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=_IDoKqpuqIpwT30ByWZD-P-5tlLLNQ4UQqWWkMj5mEK2pcMwKrDG X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there. < I don't think that was the case. I remember when Magnum opened, and at the time it was the first big steel coaster (outside of Boblo Island's bizarre contraption) that was designed to mimic the feel of an out-and-back wood coaster. Most other steel rides incorporated inversions. Magnum got most of its publicity for its record-breaking height (which up to then no one thought possible). But for most coaster enthusiasts it was a revelation, the only steel ride that delivered the airtime of a wood coaster. Remember that there were no Intamins or B&Ms at that point. There was nothing against which the ride experience could be measured. Magnum's gut-busting pointy bunny hops were viewed as a novel experience, not poor track bending. So yes -- Magnum did set a new standard and it was unique. Arrow was at the top of its game. But better designs were on the horizon. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 16:58:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49799 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 00:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 00:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 00:58:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34173 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2009 00:58:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wd2IGZUVM1mv1fIo3SJ4_xIlA4Q.U6UW_.1.a_4CO6sQXD8I.rDNrOB9X9lQ.tPlxHrj.8PkeFPfp5uYVxEokzSTet__c.DpBdYRQP2HK4ORSbgMC4jdaolWm.UPu4LauWjpL1GUYzUJveqjdJGfp7SFcNqtS.3AQfn.AWKfEWR4jSc- X-Received: from [72.79.197.99] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:58:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:58:23 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1231518579.2460.88534.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <80757.33007.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Air and Oil, launches...Fluid Dynamcis is covered X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ab0y6nzVF6nOBIE9wY847Poic-dgWeASGzkHoebcFC_PBqnwsJJS X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme And let's not forget good old mechanical launches. Schwartzkopf's shuttle loops used what was basically a giant concrete block that was dropped down a shaft. The block was attached to a cable and that yanked the coaster out of the station. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 17:04:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61872 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 01:04:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 01:04:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 01:04:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67610 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2009 01:04:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: caUwEIkVM1nju3qZMc.n.Iymt4aaceqPZ2KyVf1zRq3Rfoq7r.F9dLps5ZH32hpmMFsc3dSK6_kTFErLUwb.rXc22HcRuA3PMJ4KipBATmrzkV3Pv2RGgBSAFsFN08oed.31IETtaNSHO5LboBa22eiQPz8UylUSZtfwg3AvMw_iuhs- X-Received: from [72.79.197.99] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:04:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:04:52 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1231518579.2460.88534.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <572678.65257.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Quassy wood coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=CuEsqD8W4k8slc3yv4xoznC38mHHBe673oaVwb9Jk8wlnvBJ7903 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme When I was at the park two years ago, there was a welding crew crawling over the mouse, basically keeping it from coming apart. Although it's one of the few Mad Mouse rides left, there comes a point when the ride can no longer be maintained cost-effectively. I really don't see a problem with a coaster 35 feet high. Idlewild's Rollo Coaster is one of my faves, and it's only 30 high. Sky Princess is a great ride, as is Ghoster Coaster. Small doesn't mean crappy. If it's well-designed it can pack a lot of fun into a small package. I would certainly make a return trip to Quassy if they had a wood coaster. And if I liked the ride, I'd visit a few times a year. I'm glad Quassy is considering this. They must be doing fairly well. Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jan 10 17:08:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55002 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 01:08:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 01:08:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 01:08:23 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so4116555ywr.58 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:08:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.15.74 with SMTP id j10mr796640iba.10.1231636102809; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:08:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <572678.65257.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1231518579.2460.88534.m45@yahoogroups.com> <572678.65257.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:08:22 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0901101708g4a99b9b9u318d4a653e6bae13@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Quassy wood coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=dOaBhuqiXfSj4c2-NpuLl9hvWWPuQB1FO4aXjVZCwE18kVE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I saw a layout pic on a forum and it really does look like a good ride. I would obviously perfer something a little taller, even 50 feet would be a big difference. This will get me back to the park for sure, but I dont think it will be enough for multiple visits. On 1/10/09, Jay Ducharme wrote: > When I was at the park two years ago, there was a welding crew crawling over > the mouse, basically keeping it from coming apart. Although it's one of the > few Mad Mouse rides left, there comes a point when the ride can no longer be > maintained cost-effectively. > > I really don't see a problem with a coaster 35 feet high. Idlewild's Rollo > Coaster is one of my faves, and it's only 30 high. Sky Princess is a great > ride, as is Ghoster Coaster. Small doesn't mean crappy. If it's > well-designed it can pack a lot of fun into a small package. I would > certainly make a return trip to Quassy if they had a wood coaster. And if I > liked the ride, I'd visit a few times a year. > > I'm glad Quassy is considering this. They must be doing fairly well. > > Jay > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 17:16:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47339 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 01:16:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 01:16:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 01:16:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47306 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2009 01:16:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Gti5dmYVM1kwq.85oSuP3m7ZAmKvObaN.X.m6lpQwoRWrVVBSaEuynmuM_cY.ZAEUfDVgMsCbRQUN9_BcBvUokxSweDzg.DWaRwJpB5lLxaXS8Lh2ghTb_5m0X0xMR_r0F3xBV3MKwC_t99VUA4hqTCVc70MED5mU.vK3WC2Z0SVoHS9YCe9p.MjuySztt2ywYON32PAY0Z.PpQ9cJuSKzSpCUjGwhS40n3Gi9hfyer6BKe84aIhggKfn0PoAynC4FjWGuwW X-Received: from [72.79.197.99] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:16:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:16:51 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1231600492.2606.63180.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <404196.47220.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Idlewild Mouse (was coaster withdrawal) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=LQ2Iw1mYRdZzEJHOMTlRrChlcCLbrSQLXCDCS-TYzGSeAze6Wk8c X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I had never really heard anything about Idlewild's Mouse. Terrifying? Even more so than (cough,cough) Dark Knight? < Yes and even less punishing. :-) Their mouse is one-of-a-kind, made by Vekoma for Alton Towers and later purchased by Idlewild. I was looking forward to it on our trip there last season, but unfortunately the ride was closed. They were awaiting a hard-to-get part for it. There are a couple things that make their mouse so great. One is the bizarre lift hill. You gently tilt from side to side as you rise to the top. The other thing is that the mouse cars have trucks that are set way back on the body. Each car looks like a mouse with a pointy nose. At every turn, the nose goes way off the edge of the track and I swear that each time my car is going to fly right off. It's really disturbing. The ride is also nearly impossible to see; it's hidden in a grove of thick pine tress. I've got some pics of it here: Jay From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Jan 10 19:15:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 542 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2009 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2009 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2009 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c5d.3fa7a121 (30740) for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:15:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:15:17 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Steel Hawg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=6ar8CYa-Pvz3W6oEj_i_MwOf2ER4kHGCLN9onBkX9b0CxMlULA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rode Steel Hawg, and I think its pretty decent. It has an inverted spiral roll that I've never experienced anywhere else, and of course the 120 degree drop is unique. I recommend it! Brian **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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--YCalReminder=XhZ1e2OhOQkjHqVn0QvajNWK1231656019-1-- From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Jan 11 21:08:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15714 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2009 05:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2009 05:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2009 05:08:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28195 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2009 05:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 12 Jan 2009 05:08:52 -0000 Message-Id: <98B629B3-19A2-4800-B847-CA9638446FD3@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:08:51 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Steel Hawg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=-g2vhc_7RBW_FMZM40bjwFaRQr2ip8tZTbVh5Otaj0CByWdr X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Steel Hawg opened in July, and is actually a lot of fun. I mean it's probably not top-10 or anything, but for a small coaster in a small space, it really is pretty great. Kicks the crap out of all the mouse coasters :) Cameron. On Jan 9, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Matt wrote: > Did Indiana Beach ever finish Steel Hawg and if so did anyone get to > ride it and is it any good? > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Jan 11 21:10:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59761 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2009 05:10:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2009 05:10:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2009 05:10:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19014 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2009 05:10:31 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 12 Jan 2009 05:10:30 -0000 Message-Id: <73B34276-D077-4F4C-8F4D-FC22495802C3@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <981069.67962.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:10:29 -0600 References: <981069.67962.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=jhA5mt-jH4er4l8-IPTIfr8QoOUdRwAkpNIu9_76zkl7lLxo X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Magnum got most of its publicity for its record-breaking height > (which up to then no one thought possible). I find it extremely hard to believe that people thought 200 feet was impossible .. especially considering the "mega-loopers" was only just shy of that. > But for most coaster enthusiasts it was a revelation, the only > steel ride that delivered the airtime of a wood coaster. Hadn't Gemini already done that?! Cameron. From jjloj@netzero.net Sun Jan 11 21:32:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64903 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2009 05:32:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2009 05:32:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2009 05:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2009 05:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2009 05:32:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:32:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <73B34276-D077-4F4C-8F4D-FC22495802C3@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=WuUBQnIoDI4trVKjGxpJHIyR1o7nnxJq6S0eaPFu_2Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > > Magnum got most of its publicity for its record-breaking height=20=20 > > (which up to then no one thought possible). >=20 > I find it extremely hard to believe that people thought 200 feet was=20=20 > impossible .. especially considering the "mega-loopers" was only just = =20 > shy of that. >=20 The height was very possible. At the time many structures are greater then= 200 ft high.=20=20 The lift chain well that might be another story. That is the only element = of the ride I can=20 think of with a difficult construction process due to the scale. Of course= everything is=20 impossible until Cedar Points does it. The drop is less then 200 ft. So the whole ride is a lie anyway. > > But for most coaster enthusiasts it was a revelation, the only=20=20 > > steel ride that delivered the airtime of a wood coaster. >=20 > Hadn't Gemini already done that?! >=20 > Cameron. > Don't you know Gemini is a "wood" coaster. ;-) (Its a joke, back up walk away..) From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Jan 11 22:50:37 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34680 invoked by uid 7800); 12 Jan 2009 06:50:34 -0000 Date: 12 Jan 2009 06:50:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1231743034.16.34677.m48@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=TzRLM3YSOj1CVK1231743031-1" --YCalReminder=TzRLM3YSOj1CVK1231743031-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal "X" opened Monday January 12, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Valencia, California Notes: X opened on this date is 2002, at Six Flags Magic Mountain in Valencia, California. 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--YCalReminder=TzRLM3YSOj1CVK1231743031-1-- From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 12 11:28:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11663 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2009 19:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2009 19:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2009 19:28:11 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so2371608ele.17 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:28:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.147.15 with SMTP id u15mr12484799wfd.226.1231788491198; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:28:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <73B34276-D077-4F4C-8F4D-FC22495802C3@buzzneon.com> References: <981069.67962.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <73B34276-D077-4F4C-8F4D-FC22495802C3@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:28:11 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=1ljrN364OUtwNg1vmmIZbuDWF9aoudjAUfo4PT6Ig45rCLs7hrIUOwY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> But for most coaster enthusiasts it was a revelation, the only >> steel ride that delivered the airtime of a wood coaster. > > Hadn't Gemini already done that?! And Bandit, which was built a full year earlier (and, at 196' tall, probably qualifies as the world's first "hypercoaster"). -Nate From jan_willson@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 06:37:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31889;u=;t=1231949702;m=1022206298;s=4173412434; From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 08:17:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11447 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 16:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 16:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 16:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LN8Ql-0004oE-Sk for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:17:23 -0500 Message-ID: <496E1014.90701@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:17:24 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4781111e4c6ff0530fa347ed0d1f008aadad9f975222f2c1c35350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Admin note X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=fWWc6cUrZ2vEYIx1TCH17FQ50H_hRjyrvj1V8XveOzSgET0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Just wanted to let you know that I have already dealt with the one message sent to the list that didn't belong. Please don't reply to the one spam message that was sent to the list. The offender has been removed and the original message deleted. I don't want to go and have to delete replies to it as well. Thanks. George From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Jan 14 21:14:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78226 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 05:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 05:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 05:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 05:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 05:14:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:13:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=MX0h0Uth0HBNIT26thMcI-NBKo4tcnUA-NJ2p80f-4w X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj I have updated www.coasternaut.com, with my Magnum XL-200 data Feel free to= disagree. From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 08:06:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81422 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 16:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 16:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 16:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 16:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 16:06:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:06:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=yW5xb8QVxpUxLX-wxPOtUMTLydaX5-0_IgxJIcb9ozC9LjnTLsRE0ZI X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I tried checking it out but the page does not come up only a yahoo=20 profile. Pretty cool that we have an in house physicist on here=20 though! Maybe you can help me understand worm holes sometime Jon! JK=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > I have updated www.coasternaut.com, with my Magnum XL-200 data Feel=20 free to disagree. > From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Jan 15 09:42:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54443 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 17:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 17:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 17:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 17:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 17:42:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:42:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=8ejbAJswD_vYh2a6DKPThYNeE-taLXjwEDVQS0E8ZJI X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Try this one: http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Magnum_XL-200/Magnum_XL-200.html --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 wrote: > > I tried checking it out but the page does not come up only a yahoo=20 > profile. Pretty cool that we have an in house physicist on here=20 > though! Maybe you can help me understand worm holes sometime Jon!=20 JK=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > wrote: > > > > I have updated www.coasternaut.com, with my Magnum XL-200 data=20 Feel=20 > free to disagree. > > > From coasterfanatic@aol.com Fri Jan 16 05:27:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pulse@mx.plaxo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39097 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 13:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 13:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx.plaxo.com) (66.151.128.13) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 13:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 [204.15.240.11] by mx.plaxo.com (StrongMail Enterprise 3.2.2.2(3.00.287)); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:27:20 -0800 X-VirtualServer: Pulse, mx.plaxo.com, 10.1.6.55 X-PlaxoMailType: Pulse X-Destination-ID: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-MailingID: 00000::00000::00000::00000::::778698 X-SMHeaderMap: mid="X-MailingID" X-SMFBL: Um9sbGVyQ29hc3RlclRhbGtAeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29t To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <6f8ca0a3dad205a8ae2be9f9d8df86b3@xpertmailer.com> X-VirtualServerGroup: Pulse Errors-To: pulse@mx.plaxo.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:27:20 -0800 X-Mailer: XPM4 v.0.3 < www.xpertmailer.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.151.128.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Charles Nungester" From: "Charles Nungester" Reply-To: coasterfanatic@aol.com Subject: Charles Nungester added you as a connection on Plaxo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98743954; y=0St94l-R9Z8NQj4mCMYaXVG5s2__X7xmrzLl6QNtFtYk3qrsmpqEiNSI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterfanatic1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles Nungester wants to add you as a connection on Plaxo. 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Go to: http://www.plaxo.com/stop?src=email&et=1&est=nolevels&etv=nnic1b2&el=en&email=RollerCoasterTalk%40yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 09:32:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79088 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 17:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 17:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 17:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 17:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.95] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 17:32:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:32:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=kFkB4P5rh82IEVsOY4kOdwCCP9bEvbbA8u0VNKHDeYfO9We-5XyZHfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire I like your site that is really cool. Like the design of it.=20=20 Unfortunately I must admit that I really like the Magnum. It is=20 probably my second favorite coaster at CP behind the Raptor. I am=20 probably a little abnormal in the sense that I think Magnum is=20 better than Millenium. Haven't got to try Maverick yet but from=20 what I've heard that is an awesome ride so I'm hoping to have a new=20 fav at CP although for me it is going to be tough to beatout Raptor.=20 Now that being said I'm sure my track record is nowhere near yours=20 so maybe in time I will feel the same. Can't wait to see more=20 reviews. So as a physicist(I think that's so cool)I have to believe your=20 favorite show is History channels The Universe isn't it?? I know I=20 love that show!=20 Matt --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > Try this one: > http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Magnum_XL-200/Magnum_XL-200.html >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 > wrote: > > > > I tried checking it out but the page does not come up only a=20 yahoo=20 > > profile. Pretty cool that we have an in house physicist on here=20 > > though! Maybe you can help me understand worm holes sometime=20 Jon!=20 > JK=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > I have updated www.coasternaut.com, with my Magnum XL-200 data=20 > Feel=20 > > free to disagree. > > > > > > From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 09:39:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29370 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 17:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 17:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 17:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 17:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 17:39:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:39:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=VUsa5r7zUcAmWWFvEaW8oEiHyzGWw7zBjarjo9mkn2ku40eqhz9Iq7k X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Hey could you explain the seating chart graph a little.=20=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > Try this one: > http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Magnum_XL-200/Magnum_XL-200.html >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 > wrote: > > > > I tried checking it out but the page does not come up only a=20 yahoo=20 > > profile. Pretty cool that we have an in house physicist on here=20 > > though! Maybe you can help me understand worm holes sometime=20 Jon!=20 > JK=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > I have updated www.coasternaut.com, with my Magnum XL-200 data=20 > Feel=20 > > free to disagree. > > > > > > From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Jan 16 21:08:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18565 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 05:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 05:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 05:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 05:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 05:08:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:08:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=kw43pB6a8WyaMfyled62J75VLynJ9gzoU03jeX901JU X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote= : > > I like your site that is really cool. Like the design of it.=20=20 > Unfortunately I must admit that I really like the Magnum. It is=20 > probably my second favorite coaster at CP behind the Raptor. I am=20 > probably a little abnormal in the sense that I think Magnum is=20 > better than Millenium. Haven't got to try Maverick yet but from=20 > what I've heard that is an awesome ride so I'm hoping to have a new=20 > fav at CP although for me it is going to be tough to beatout Raptor.=20 > Now that being said I'm sure my track record is nowhere near yours=20 > so maybe in time I will feel the same. Can't wait to see more=20 > reviews. > So as a physicist(I think that's so cool)I have to believe your=20 > favorite show is History channels The Universe isn't it?? I know I=20 > love that show!=20 >=20 > Matt One I gave Magnum a 45 minute wait so it. If I don't like the coaster I gi= ve it a 15 min wait=20 rating. If I really don't like it I give it a "walk on only" rating. One = of my rides on The=20 Beast gave me a 3.5 seconds acceleration less then .25 g and all that the b= est the Magnum=20 did was 3.95 seconds. If it were the ride it was billed to be it would do= better. Mamba=20 was able to generate over 5 seconds of acceleration less then 0.25 g. Ther= e are simply=20 better coasters out there.=20=20 I don't have cable so I haven't seen "The Universe." Matt what other inverted coasters have you ridden? jjloj=20 From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Jan 16 21:18:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74556 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 05:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 05:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 05:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 05:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 05:18:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:18:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=ugShs2-CbYvywTN9GnHqRsy3NaU37HKQIkk_Lu3xNhI X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote= : > > Hey could you explain the seating chart graph a little.=20=20 I will try. I have used an iPhone to measure the Magnitude of the accel= eration for each of=20 the rides. I have then used Excel to count the accelerations within five d= ifferent groups. Less=20 then 0.25g between 0.25 and 0.5 g. The engineers that advertise the Voyage= at Holiday=20 World claim that "airtime" happens at less then 0.25 g. I went ahead and i= ncluded the range=20 between 0.25 and 0.5 because I know that not everyone agrees with that defi= nition. The=20 other three groups are when the acceleration was greater then 2 g's but les= s then 3 g's,=20 between 3 and 4 g's and more then 4 g's. For Mamba and Vortex all I gave w= as the counts.=20=20 The iPhone software measures twenty times a second, so twenty "counts" woul= d represent=20 one second. My friends said that I should convert the counts to seconds so= I am doing that=20 going forward. The Magnum graph is the seconds of measurements at a given = time.=20=20 Do you have any questions or does that clear it up? jjloj From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Jan 16 21:19:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61037 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 05:19:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 05:19:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 05:19:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 05:19:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 05:19:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:19:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=XSC8fgrWUQBstkIucXGwpsxMJORyUe_bTdFdXWcHA8o X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote= : > > Hey could you explain the seating chart graph a little.=20=20 One more thing! There is a bar on the bar graph for each seat I have data = for. 1R is the front=20 row on the right. 14l would be the 14th row on the left. From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Jan 16 21:38:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37058 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 05:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 05:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 05:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 05:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 05:38:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:38:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49641317.1040201@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=eornmL-XEkpy-FY4jBgSq3igRctzA-JWtvKnW2Te28w X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > Does it have to be limited to just one of those two? I'd take so many=20 > other operators over either one of them. I've really been spoiled the=20 > last few years here in Florida where neither one of them has a presence.= =20 > I'm almost scared to move next summer and end up with one of them=20 > again as my "home" park. >=20 > Can't I please, please pick someone else? :P Blackstone, Busch (though= =20 > they're going to lose their parks soon)... No you can't really and here is why: I have no idea what fraction of the c= oaster are at=20 either a Cedar Fair or Six Flags parks but here in the Midwest if you close= d all the Cedar=20 Fair and Six flags parks you would close about 90% of the coasters within a= days drive of=20 me. The two Busch Gardens parks (I know Busch also operates the Seaworld parks)= combined=20 have fewer rides then either Cedar Point or Kings Island alone! So yea, you can say you like you Macintosh all you want. At some point you= will have to=20 use a Windows computer and the same can be said for the two park companies. Without those two companies there would be a lot less invested in coasters = in this would=20 and that would be sad. jjloj=20=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Jan 16 22:50:32 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22179 invoked by uid 7800); 17 Jan 2009 06:50:30 -0000 Date: 17 Jan 2009 06:50:30 -0000 Message-ID: <1232175030.10.22178.m51@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=rjgZHSfPvDXUeHKTYtG0mF6gBDmKX1232175025-1" --YCalReminder=rjgZHSfPvDXUeHKTYtG0mF6gBDmKX1232175025-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=rjgZHSfPvDXUeHKTYtG0mF6gBDmKX1232175025-1-- From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 07:27:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11173 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 15:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 15:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 15:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 15:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 15:27:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:27:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=y2XwuM5u5YTPZET2fM7dnIN9FwhbOoOOhfV_Z6yUBe9ZJiC36w3GxGo X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire > > Matt > One I gave Magnum a 45 minute wait so it. If I don't like the=20 coaster I give it a 15 min wait=20 > rating. If I really don't like it I give it a "walk on only"=20 rating. One of my rides on The=20 > Beast gave me a 3.5 seconds acceleration less then .25 g and all=20 that the best the Magnum=20 > did was 3.95 seconds. If it were the ride it was billed to be it=20 would do better. Mamba=20 > was able to generate over 5 seconds of acceleration less then 0.25=20 g. There are simply=20 > better coasters out there.=20=20 >=20 > I don't have cable so I haven't seen "The Universe." >=20 > Matt what other inverted coasters have you ridden? >=20 > jjloj > I see I didn't know that you graded them by the wait time. Well=20 as far as a wait time I suppose that's pretty close to what I would=20 wait for it too. And I know there are better coasters but CP's my=20 home park so there's probably just a special place in my heart for=20 it! And like I said my coaster count is only like 50 so I have tons=20 more coasters to ride. As far as inverted coasters I've only rode=20 one other and that is Alpengeist and it doesn't compare to Raptor in=20 my opinion. Oh and I've rode Thunderhawk at Geauga Lake but that's=20 not real good. I really like your site though it's cool. If you=20 ever get the chance to watch any episodes of the Universe do it=20 because I'm sure you would love it. So what is your top ten=20 coasters Jon? Are you a steelie or a woodie? From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Jan 17 09:14:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91984 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 17:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 17:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 17:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LOEkA-0001sM-3T for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: <497211D8.5000904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:14:00 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1232175030.10.22178.m51@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1232175030.10.22178.m51@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478e6c433f677873d402d7efbb077cc260a7f2d98fba13d0501350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=F3G9X-z89J3VJHvH9hkl_UMhq5FBxf2bbpzXf8Lrf_ndaqk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Title: Boardwalk and Baseball closed > > Date: Saturday January 17, 2009 > Location: Haines City, Florida > Notes: On this date in 1990, Boardwalk and Baseball closed it's > doors for good, taking with it the Florida Hurricane and Zoomerang > roller coasters. Boardwalk and Baseball opened in 1974 as "Circus World > Showcase". In later years, it also took on the names "Ringling Brothers > Barnum & Bailey Circus World" and "Circus World". As a tribute to the park, I think I'll pull out my map of it when it was circus world. Then I'll drive the 1 mile to the other side of the freeway and spend some time at the Target, Best Buy, JC Penny's and the Books a Million stores that now sit on it's old property. It would have been nice to have had a chance to visit the park, but now it's the only real shopping for 10 miles in any direction, so I'm not complaining. keep on ridin' George From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 09:49:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11686 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 17:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 17:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 17:49:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92002 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2009 17:49:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ghaGsWwVM1m_2T_xic6sYR_p333O6TqKWlv7DXkcVUdvaOV6tGoRBe7nYJlZbY859ujPSESmvEsxoKMOibLuhsx9soHWDsVfyNS_BW0lP6BUGsHadEY9p_Hjo2NKzmNkfTQU.qPYl3mcPEhwTaT5GIms29DKchoAOsWgljcd8MHYOLc- X-Received: from [72.79.224.128] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:49:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:49:53 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1231777184.2541.91956.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <499532.91850.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Steel height (was SF vs CF) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WsKobxvYqgnia5MGYB2gSaNBKZVL6qqJvbrH0-AtZGMUXS2Ehibs X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > The height was very possible. At the time many structures are greater then 200 ft high. < I'm way behind on my digests, but I'll bite at this one. No, 200 feet was *not* considered "very possible" for a coaster at that time. For stationary structures with a static load (observation towers, buildings) it wasn't an issue. But there were great concerns about stress on the trains and structure by surpassing that height, and also concerns about whether the human body could handle the forces. Ron Toomer himself had, before Magnum, doubted whether coasters would exceed that magic number. It was more of a psychological threshold that, when crossed, opened the door for all the mega-rides that followed. Remember that when Magnum debuted, it was outfitted with upstop *plates* (which today seems like an incredibly stupid decision). That indicates how unprepared Arrow was for the more extreme forces that were caused by the greater height. The decision is even more puzzling since Arrow had been using upstop *wheels* on their loopers for over a decade. The tallest ride Arrow had built up to that point was Great America's Shockwave, at 170 feet. Magnum was 35 feet taller. Now with the 400-foot barrier broken, Magnum seems quaint. But I remember when it opened; it was quite an achievement and garnered lots of press for Cedar Point for years. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 09:56:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30367 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 17:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 17:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 17:56:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88275 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2009 17:56:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EAhM6I8VM1n6ZRUrxpRsNXX670DVd3RvuDHNfojUTHxwc0piMsrQ2FXcQYaz.jNu7GlYT_Dh2gJeJW4yn8M7Ht.E4.9JTdfFxS5G9TDXvV0t_BgvGWKDqxYI2APQb.G1QFTErBVxlXAAUHTl2z2os.MiyTMz48ahzXg6MTZuoOO._ww- X-Received: from [72.79.224.128] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:56:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:56:48 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1231872802.3046.96393.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <730289.87419.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=NIDYE_nAV3ovW8pYUVNtYU3gW9sYN-3kvwbDXBsPdZi9tGv0L4Y4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >> the only steel ride that delivered the airtime of a wood coaster. << > Hadn't Gemini already done that?! < Yes. I should have said that it delivered the experience of an *out-and-back* wood coaster. Magnum was designed as an airtime machine. Gemini was designed as a twister (actually more like a giant Leap the Dips). And while Gemini tried to look like a wood coaster, Magnum was plainly a steel ride. And yes, Bandit did predate Magnum. But still it didn't break that mythical 200-foot barrier. And it certainly wasn't designed to deliver severe airtime as Magnum was. Jay From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Jan 17 19:11:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36733 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2009 03:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2009 03:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2009 03:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2009 03:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2009 03:11:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:11:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <730289.87419.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=pnNOJ-HRMCaH_jXmpblJxXjr8DWWkNnXY1UCIHHCNwU X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > >> the only steel ride that delivered the airtime of a wood coaster. << >=20 > > Hadn't Gemini already done that?! < >=20 > Yes. I should have said that it delivered the experience of an *out-and-= back* wood=20 coaster. Magnum was designed as an airtime machine. Gemini was designed a= s a twister=20 (actually more like a giant Leap the Dips). And while Gemini tried to look= like a wood=20 coaster, Magnum was plainly a steel ride. >=20 > And yes, Bandit did predate Magnum. But still it didn't break that mythi= cal 200-foot=20 barrier. And it certainly wasn't designed to deliver severe airtime as Mag= num was. >=20 > Jay > Point 1: 200 ft is only a barrier for Americans, virtually everyone else s= ees it as 62.484=20 meter tall coaster. 62.484 is a "mythical" number. Bandit was at or over o= r at 60 meters.=20=20 There is less then 10 ft difference between the two.=20=20 Conclusion: There is no great engineering difference between Bandit and Mag= num. Point 2: I have ridden the The Beast and the Magnum with my accelerometer. = The Beast=20 has as high or higher acceleration loads for longer periods of time. Conclusion: There is no rider danger tested by Magnum that had not been tes= ted ten=20 years before. Point 3: "Real trains" travel as fast a Magnum on real trestles or other s= upport structure,=20 much longer and taller then anything on Magnum and they have massed ten tim= es as large=20 as the trains on Magnum.=20=20 Conclusion: The structures to support the Magnum had been understood for pr= obably a=20 century prior to the design of the ride. Besides the ride didn't break the 200 ft mark because the drop is only 194 = ft 8 in. Both=20 The Beast and the American Eagle have drops longer then their heights becau= se they go=20 under ground level. The Mauch Chunk Switchback Railway hand at least one l= ift hill of=20 over 600 ft. How tall the structure of the ride is an all but meaningless = ride measurement.=20=20 So the only thing "mythical" about Magnum XL-200 is the hype around the rid= e.=20=20 From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Jan 17 20:05:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2880 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2009 04:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2009 04:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2009 04:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2009 04:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2009 04:05:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:05:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=MnoYdVh-mOVOgQQ3Lcc8oH4-HpUxJ1otdJH9n4hGHe8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > I see I didn't know that you graded them by the wait time. Well=20 > as far as a wait time I suppose that's pretty close to what I would=20 > wait for it too. And I know there are better coasters but CP's my=20 > home park so there's probably just a special place in my heart for=20 > it! And like I said my coaster count is only like 50 so I have tons=20 > more coasters to ride. As far as inverted coasters I've only rode=20 > one other and that is Alpengeist and it doesn't compare to Raptor in=20 > my opinion. Oh and I've rode Thunderhawk at Geauga Lake but that's=20 > not real good. I really like your site though it's cool. If you=20 > ever get the chance to watch any episodes of the Universe do it=20 > because I'm sure you would love it. So what is your top ten=20 > coasters Jon? Are you a steelie or a woodie? > I don't keep a top ten list.=20=20 This is the list I do keep. Of the coasters I have ridden here in the midwest. Beast: King of all coasters. Chang: Best stand up coaster. Flight of Fear: Best launched coaster American Eagle: Best flat track out and back. WildThing!: Best tube track out and back. Superman Ultimate Flight: Best Flying Coaster. All inverted coasters seem similar to me so I haven't picked a favorite. Vortex: Best Inverter (Only because I have only ridden Kumba once...) Other fine rides include Renegade, Raging Bull, Legend, Spinning Dragon, an= d of course=20 John Allen's Racer and Blue Streak. I have missed a few but that is a good list. jjloj From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jan 19 19:58:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55344 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 03:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 03:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.242) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 03:58:14 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so3063126rvb.4 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:58:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.142.16 with SMTP id p16mr2657356wfd.321.1232423893977; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:58:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <499532.91850.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1231777184.2541.91956.m45@yahoogroups.com> <499532.91850.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:58:13 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Steel height (was SF vs CF) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=FyM5v2iLiBDmo6lMUKx7RL2FMpZDj6ggEP4HXFqoLTfkQd9Joo0NliE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Remember that when Magnum debuted, it was outfitted with upstop *plates* > (which today seems like an incredibly stupid decision). That indicates how > unprepared Arrow was for the more extreme forces that were caused by the > greater height. Let's be fair here; a greater height does not necessarily result in greater forces. Arrow's use of upstop plates only exemplifies Arrow's record of stupid (and lazy) engineering mistakes. Magnum had upstop plates only because it was built as an oversized mine train and that how Arrow built their minetrains. There's really norhing more to it than that. > The tallest ride > Arrow had built up to that point was Great America's Shockwave, at 170 feet. And again, Bandit was built more than a year before Magnum, and was less than ten feet shorter. I don't have a hard time believing Ron Toomer doubted they'd be able to properly engineer a 200' tall coaster (because he very obviously could not). But I have an awfully hard time believing that the coaster world ended at 200' when Bandit did 196' just fine. -Nate From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Mon Jan 19 20:08:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44788 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 04:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 04:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-137.bluehost.com) (67.222.39.27) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 04:08:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11612 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 2009 04:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box502.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.102) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 04:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box502.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LP7v6-0002y4-Er for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:08:56 -0700 Message-Id: <02A16B52-0931-48B7-8A49-A26C37CC1D2A@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:17:56 -0500 References: <1231777184.2541.91956.m45@yahoogroups.com> <499532.91850.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Identified-User: {41346:box502.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 76.120.240.252 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.222.39.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Steel height (was SF vs CF) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=K02MMKolakhuiQgdvz524xMdVkOfX_qJpMFKjqfss6fGCM5CkElu X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> The tallest ride >> Arrow had built up to that point was Great America's Shockwave, at >> 170 feet. > > And again, Bandit was built more than a year before Magnum, and was > less than ten feet shorter. I don't have a hard time believing Ron > Toomer doubted they'd be able to properly engineer a 200' tall coaster > (because he very obviously could not). But I have an awfully hard > time believing that the coaster world ended at 200' when Bandit did > 196' just fine. Also, Bandit's height is exactly 60 meters... a nice round metric number. I don't think Japan necessarily cares too much about breaking records in the english system of units, which (I'm guessing) is why is why they didn't go the extra couple feet... not because of some psychological barrier. Mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 10:22:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72423 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2009 18:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2009 18:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2009 18:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2009 18:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2009 18:22:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:22:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.14.119 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Photo Booth video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=M0Pzi4BRFVdK8WvyEwp5DJiHPcGmdAdJqOS2ocxzt_BqkkVEpjRy X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For any of you Mac users out there: Have you gone to Photo Booth and explored the effects? There's one that ha= s you riding a=20 wood roller coaster. It looks like a great ride, and a fairly new one. It = seems to be located in=20 a very small park set in a wide open field. Any ideas? Jay From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Jan 23 10:30:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98681 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2009 18:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2009 18:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2009 18:30:38 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2072966yxb.63 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:30:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.19.72 with SMTP id z8mr1095128iba.6.1232735437823; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:30:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:30:37 -0500 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30901231030g68863940xff7054ffe0b284f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Photo Booth video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=HAMr2l4-ix2Aa3gvD4RZVqKGKYUtJhy5hUJnQ1uJ8rDYg4Yr X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons It's stock footage of Timber Terror at Silverwood, and you're actually going backwards :) On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:22 PM, jay_ducharme wrote: > For any of you Mac users out there: > > Have you gone to Photo Booth and explored the effects? There's one that has you riding a > wood roller coaster. It looks like a great ride, and a fairly new one. It seems to be located in > a very small park set in a wide open field. Any ideas? > > Jay > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 13:39:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73132 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2009 21:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2009 21:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2009 21:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2009 21:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.95] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2009 21:39:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:39:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30901231030g68863940xff7054ffe0b284f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.14.119 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Photo Booth video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=26f7z7FvJ6Rj6YBgk6njtwMmXQy9cW9SX6WdmFpX9NA26kllNFd0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It's stock footage of Timber Terror at Silverwood, and you're actually go= ing backwards :) < Well, when Photo Booth is active, you are. :) I finally located the actual video on my hard drive and examined it. There= 's a billboard just=20 barely visible near the beginning, and it reads, "Opening June '96 -- The G= rizzly Roller=20 Coaster." I tracked it down on RCDB. Interesting that they changed the na= me so quickly.... Thanks! Jay From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sat Jan 24 12:32:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37190 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2009 20:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2009 20:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f20.google.com) (209.85.221.20) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2009 20:32:50 -0000 X-Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so6968788qyk.6 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:32:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.9.3 with SMTP id 3mr9276530qai.9.1232829169971; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:32:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-85-172.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm3535734yws.54.2009.01.24.12.32.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:32:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <497b7af1.0913c00a.5852.ffff8876@mx.google.com> To: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:32:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: Acl9oyT1L5LDstdeQpeiHgpNn5UEQwAv0ysg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.20 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: Pictures Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Sg3FoijiBZvFG1rGGQ6BFSRtcdqcH2fujUGH0ROaTmxUhtc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone interested, I recently posted all of my digital photos taken at parks to my smugmug page: http://sanosandy.smugmug.com/Amusement%20Parks . Two random notes. First, the amount of pictures depends upon if I felt like taking pictures that day, so some parks have 60 and some have 6. Also, my camera for much of 2007 and '08 was terrible and gave very washed out photos. That has been corrected with a new camera thanks to Santa. Enjoy, Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 15:00:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10717 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2009 23:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2009 23:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2009 23:00:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92793 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2009 23:00:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4_xxDWAVM1lO72bHVrUcG.LTBWB3tiVGzy7vInofzRf2TARA5ybdgSox9u.53XJjPod579V53EmEKZ7lTXPIQg0Z.ujgkmB07f0_dLutnGj27_KoPXzIg9Df0vKNqk_ioHRC9VuWpQ6sWwgOiN7nSEODhibbd4Xtst16oCUF2viBZp8F5eCYyAWBfxmumy.8ytbugEpow7qH63Vj46iHMOkrwpDJR.ExrvEoiFuXsg-- X-Received: from [65.25.60.25] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:00:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:00:46 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <497b7af1.0913c00a.5852.ffff8876@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <531676.91502.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Pictures Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=8z53v5USfSCwBQDfTZpHrf0pt3-8hseqo0YWuRPADYjgBIp7WIskm1_njHh7K55C X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, those are some nice pictures.=A0 Thanks for sharing. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Adam Sandy wrote: From: Adam Sandy Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Pictures Up To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 3:32 PM For anyone interested, I recently posted all of my digital photos taken at parks to my smugmug page: http://sanosandy. smugmug.com/ Amusement% 20Parks= . Two random notes. First, the amount of pictures depends upon if I felt like taking pictures that day, so some parks have 60 and some have 6. Also, my camera for much of 2007 and '08 was terrible and gave very washed out photos. That has been corrected with a new camera thanks to Santa. Enjoy, Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 15:59:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4571 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2009 23:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2009 23:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2009 23:59:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53141 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2009 23:59:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 18dexrIVM1n0rxLn.HFyPZP41bv5EqQv78EDvyY_y0ogYBAmJosx2ClbfRNfygTdv05pDV.m99mL5zBsxnh5986mdarlSgPjvLjFcubW48xn7GrDDg9WQeE6VoFqJLmN2wVXoUc1Kk6.MuxWzqNi4iN59aW89M1aeUV0UM51.bH8g1U- X-Received: from [72.79.224.198] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:59:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:59:33 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1232900189.5064.57608.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <842995.33619.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: MISC: Pictures Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=5-ZTxhgAYtZ-cXTtyWzoXCchDDV_LfllRpUZzjQDINlmXghTNGej X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Thanks for taking the time to do this, Adam. You have lots of amazing images from places I'll probably never get to. Nice job! Jay From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jan 27 03:39:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4237 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 11:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 11:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 11:38:58 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cf5.46a47406 (34940) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:38:53 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA051-887c497ef24dba; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:38:53 -0500 Message-ID: <497EF24D.6020705@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:38:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Knoebels Buys the Golden Nugget X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=UVQlUDvfPK9JEHcBtfug1b0xjqGxDts74wV46hDWxJZ8j4Arjg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo So, what are the odds on it opening before the Flying Turns ;-) Scroll down just a little: http://www.amusementtoday.com/ They say that they are not considering anything until 2010, and I think they probably want to get FT up and running this spring (I've heard they have made very good progress, it was testing at PPP). -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... McCarthy was RIGHT! From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 15:30:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54480 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 23:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 23:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 23:29:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68953 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2009 23:29:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hqphdxgVM1kvuLrNobIONYkLaX9A7GH8Fs7p9TX5U_lEgsoVbnLPfdgYAVe2BWmw0NhnW0C9ZzGIECpxSTEh5IVnfWWsJvLlM3SE70ef2l2DOTF0OFvg2zs7FO1UGsyliv4m2_2gYqMXIJMKAaKiRP4cy5WaF1REnqOX0GXF8lncqig- X-Received: from [72.79.224.198] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:29:59 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:29:59 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1233071786.2664.83751.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <70385.67747.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Knoebels Buys the Golden Nugget X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=kYZAnIt1RDbs6EC9VBtuL2B1HL22brbGH1d_zr_an0kJW8970AKw X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I love Knoebel's! I want to live there! Really, what an amazing thing to do. THe ride would have ended up in a scrap heap; it's not a big thrilling ride and doesn't have a lot of teen appeal. But it's a true family ride that will fit in perfectly at Knoebel's. I guess Karen and I will be making yet another trip there in a year or two.... Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jan 27 16:14:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30862 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 00:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 00:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f21.google.com) (209.85.217.21) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 00:14:16 -0000 X-Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so6571538gxk.17 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:14:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.94.15 with SMTP id r15mr2143257agb.29.1233101655825; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:14:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <70385.67747.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1233071786.2664.83751.m45@yahoogroups.com> <70385.67747.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0901271614y4265c9ddifc3f0bf4251e1e83@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Knoebels Buys the Golden Nugget X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=cTEXdkzYZF1Ezf25ZwDFdKqKCrJsrQsTJ7ES5vElzMtaLgwIMA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny How, again, is it a "true" family ride if it doesn't appeal to teens? I'm not saying it's not a family ride, but certainly teens are a part of a family - as much as they'd rather put on their ipod and pretend not to be. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: > I love Knoebel's! I want to live there! > > Really, what an amazing thing to do. THe ride would have ended up in a scrap > heap; it's not a big thrilling ride and doesn't have a lot of teen appeal. > But it's a true family ride that will fit in perfectly at Knoebel's. > > I guess Karen and I will be making yet another trip there in a year or > two.... > > Jay > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 21:27:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35266 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 05:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 05:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 05:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2009 05:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2009 05:27:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:27:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0901271614y4265c9ddifc3f0bf4251e1e83@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Knoebels Buys the Golden Nugget X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=QpYR5pDEzUMjuz0MykRQxbj7LGLiXXMcCw5dHNNW1CsY4cFfvg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Ah, but therein lies the point. Teens could care less about anything=20 that the rest of their family likes/wants, so NOTHING will satisfy=20 them.=20 ;) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W =20 wrote: > > How, again, is it a "true" family ride if it doesn't appeal to=20 teens? >=20 > I'm not saying it's not a family ride, but certainly teens are a=20 part > of a family - as much as they'd rather put on their ipod and pretend > not to be. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Jay Ducharme =20 wrote: > > I love Knoebel's! I want to live there! > > > > Really, what an amazing thing to do. THe ride would have ended up=20 in a scrap > > heap; it's not a big thrilling ride and doesn't have a lot of=20 teen appeal. > > But it's a true family ride that will fit in perfectly at=20 Knoebel's. > > > > I guess Karen and I will be making yet another trip there in a=20 year or > > two.... > > > > Jay > > > > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 11:19:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29015 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 19:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 19:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 19:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2009 19:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.226] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2009 19:19:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:19:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Steel Hawg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=sIODOH-Suv9F8iC-cMJPaMgBPCOPt6n6QBV51Ae41yDH0GRhJORW X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck So I just watched a video of this on Youtube, and wow, what a letdown.=20=20 I thought this ride was going to be groundbreaking when it was=20 announced last year, but insted, it looks like a tiny, shorter version=20 of Mystery Mine (which was also a letdown) with only 2 elements. Flame away...=20 -Brian F. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jan 28 11:35:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27309 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 19:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 19:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 19:35:16 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1683017ele.17 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:35:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.194.1 with SMTP id r1mr531823wff.54.1233171316279; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:35:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:35:16 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Steel Hawg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=yhvBaylDtnXUPAT5TMcmuJYarRrWxggAVy9oRSrGMpXi62_9frAjVBY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > So I just watched a video of this on Youtube, and wow, what a letdown. > I thought this ride was going to be groundbreaking when it was > announced last year, but insted, it looks like a tiny, shorter version > of Mystery Mine (which was also a letdown) with only 2 elements. I think your hopes were too high. :) -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Wed Jan 28 12:24:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6204 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 20:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 20:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com) (67.199.146.24) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 20:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LSGxI-0005Et-Fs for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:23:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 67.199.146.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Steel Hawg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=vJqN1sw0Uhdc4AHvuAMVEg1szQOKcYsDej6VXaZp1T9sayvpQ_UiXkx6Eg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Looks like fun to me... more like a merger between S&S's Screamin Squirrel (which was fun but a bit too short) and the old unrealized ArrowBatic concept. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tommytheduck" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Steel Hawg So I just watched a video of this on Youtube, and wow, what a letdown. I thought this ride was going to be groundbreaking when it was announced last year, but insted, it looks like a tiny, shorter version of Mystery Mine (which was also a letdown) with only 2 elements. Flame away... -Brian F. 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Start Listening Now!=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 17:36:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57307 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 01:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 01:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 01:36:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34109 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2009 01:36:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OYE8jKoVM1nmDEzqJI0HXxX0Sqk5jZ0Tq3hhuIpdYHjNMv.XCEqFk8L1VBsbrOawewQq2Xs91xTcSC7HG7aKQPNZxywuboz28awwcGu0xbDSsl4z_lK1Ig6ETpmidivGlfMfygqvGYa9nWj03mOSpxfcqdZFi4q4PnA058SuxpJ_m66bySGtCKRZaBuuJYz1KEE5GmvO_VorbgAKasZK X-Received: from [72.70.228.25] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:36:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:36:51 -0800 (PST) To: gazette@wnycc.org, RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <5943.33435.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: NEWS: Superflame: Ride of Gimmicks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=irEJWYERxxTcPe5WiExqchcIvQZai3bGHADM5ct2t4A0aHayO6Kp X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I really don't know if this will add to the experience of what was the best steel coaster ever built. Maybe it will make welding a bit easier. Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jan 29 07:27:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85564 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 15:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 15:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 15:27:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7014 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 15:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 29 Jan 2009 15:27:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4981CA60.6080405@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:25:20 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <5943.33435.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5943.33435.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Superflame: Ride of Gimmicks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4-ntGafg3USth5R8HLb1jr0_cbBvqJs9um7FCB0p974OIOfI X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon ?? All I ever hear from people is how evil Six Flags is because all they ever do is build TEEN MEGA ULTRA XTREME COASTERZ and then let them rot. And how families will never go there because there's no theming, and the rides are rotting and there's no paint, and it's run by the devil, blaa blaa blaa. So now Six Flags is spending money adding theming and rejuvenating an old ride, and people STILL complain! No wonder the industry hates enthusiasts so much (heck, I do too sometimes). Cameron. Jay Ducharme wrote: > I really don't know if this will add to the experience of what was the best steel coaster ever built. Maybe it will make welding a bit easier. > > > > Jay > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 09:22:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60420 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 17:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 17:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 17:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 17:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 17:22:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:22:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4981CA60.6080405@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Superflame: Ride of Gimmicks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=ezXUHs_Hit6-tODvPlXDjhF9TT9Vs9RPNGmUMGqjcLsYprYGuaja X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Of course the most importand question is this... Can we count is again? haha -Brian F. From shine_kema@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 11:04:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: shine_kema@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10342 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 19:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 19:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.245) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 19:04:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13189 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2009 19:04:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jxOboYsVM1mvp8BgTHGrFXUPsOMMJduCvIKGZ3x_oManzKodSvGbbrB__gu5mb.LBHmVkIdeimmKYXY0Igee9tR6BnS5WuuDyKPBCqPPnmw6gqe_GD0lxCEtH8XEk1pi_1Xv4UGjXNxAsczY7SApBYXi0EWpFABuQ7maFC6ZAKUrrgrX5cBkFunlJhJrahUSNWg0rsPM34.Y1HPMLkL_UWJeOx61gdpVnERCJq2wJgESnmYfA4ulrCrLZCBavWi46kNEQ4Cax3.2d6ATGMRZWHi9gdPbKLRbhQ-- X-Received: from [63.116.10.137] by web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:04:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1156.82 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <497b7af1.0913c00a.5852.ffff8876@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:04:10 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <586234.9238.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bryanna Williams Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Pictures Up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=301879310; y=yDjC0oGHny8tyLb8pJ2f__uZ_29QU3SZ0TTJH1iNLa9InfKz0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: shine_kema Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20 =A0 Adam=A2s photo=A2s are great especially those pic=A2s of Oktoberfest in Mun= ich, Germany. Most of those pictures remind me of something amusement parks= and carnivals once offered many years ago. I remember when, parks in New J= ersey and New York were filled with creative imagination: neon lights, uniq= ue and catchy themes, and music geared to the rides which would get my fami= ly excited even before getting in the park. Based on some of the news I=A2m= =A0reading about the industry- Six Flags is catching on to what smaller pa= rks=A0offer all the time- A family friendly environment that every one can = enjoy.=20 =A0 Thanks again, Adam.=20 =A0 Bryanna =A0 Adam Wrote:=20 For anyone interested, I recently posted all of my digital photos taken at parks to my smugmug page: http://sanosandy. smugmug.com/ Amusement% 20Parks= . Two random notes. First, the amount of pictures depends upon if I felt like taking pictures that day, so some parks have 60 and some have 6. Also, my camera for much of 2007 and '08 was terrible and gave very washed out photos. That has been corrected with a new camera thanks to Santa. Enjoy, Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 17:16:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89004 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 01:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 01:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 01:16:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83069 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2009 01:16:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PG4jWD8VM1kAN1KCRDkt1OK8FWRoXGS_ONbyZvHK7W25MrMhZ6IQoqTfAFd6ca.qGyzpRdWgB9XZeq5JB00hmJ3X9AUF9TjHOPqNVwp6pwZ2WCQr_6fbiNQZnemrhKsqVDHLeE4SZl4fC1msRLMaMZxoWl.ac1m3LTkjtYhLyw05EYRbUoOv6XIaQwWhsXJD0MpQdIyvHBG8laxxtdTLQ6gWkZOwSibhZ1lY3BGDdYQI7e5ioHmZBfhM4cpl46_WmwJP2HQew2noPWUpkCUlY5DghiNXFXn4OCotnmVX2plwOA_BMOp4 X-Received: from [172.129.114.35] by web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:16:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:16:21 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <602064.79082.qm@web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Steel Hawg X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=516qtffvIeJhpcbWzOBaS3P97iCPvQa5dlxbWZ8gbBxberqIDhs X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think if you had kept track of the construction of Steel Hawg, you would = have known that this was not going to be a=A0big coaster. It is basically a= mad mouse coaster with inversions, steep drops,=A0and=A0intense turns. It = looks like fun to me. =A0 They say that Farrenheight has the steepest drop on any coaster, I don't kn= ow that first drop on Steel Hawg looks steeper to me. There is in insane ou= tward turn that I haven't seen on any other coaster, and the downward corks= crew is certainly unique. =A0 I have not been on Steel Hawg. I'm curious if you have? I would not rate a = coaster until I have been on it. But, it certainly looks fun. I agree that = it is short. But so is Top Thrill Dragster, and that is quite a ride=A0for = just one drop. What is it 30 seconds...and done?=A0 --- On Wed, 1/28/09, tommytheduck wrote: From: tommytheduck Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Steel Hawg To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 2:19 PM So I just watched a video of this on Youtube, and wow, what a letdown.=20 I thought this ride was going to be groundbreaking when it was=20 announced last year, but insted, it looks like a tiny, shorter version=20 of Mystery Mine (which was also a letdown) with only 2 elements. Flame away...=20 -Brian F. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 17:23:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88186 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 01:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 01:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 01:23:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57437 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2009 01:23:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MO4hoJ0VM1mZZhPpivzKDpjGmySIvRsmjsL4CW7bkjC.8XjZMkte7z0gOhW..F_8YCL70NedxLq2hJwMdhfWl4DV2dxKlqtQGAS6qO7q84PpL3Qnv86w0jGytMUdchW1G3hG4w5lGnQNt298UhdZwUftGX5TbvUchhoMDYGRziMwvOM- X-Received: from [72.70.228.25] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:23:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:23:20 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1233247718.2889.51555.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <533466.56093.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Superflame: Ride of Gimmicks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ToNnk6fmxTyyuZLXhjaHXVq6KvcXwnx655Ya8qS_O6k_MlVro_z1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > All I ever hear from people is how evil Six Flags is [snip]. So now Six Flags is spending money adding theming and rejuvenating an old ride, and people STILL complain! No wonder the industry hates enthusiasts so much < For me, Cameron, the point here is that they're spending all this time and money on a ride that doesn't need it. Superman is still -- after 9 years -- the most popular ride in the park. And it's still a heck of a ride and hasn't lost any of its punch. It didn't need to have this theming grafted on to it. Why not add theming to the pile of steel that is Mind Eraser? It's much older, less popular and would benefit from some sprucing up. Why not add some theming to Pandemonium? It's nice and compact and in an area of high visibility, and since the Mister Six campaign died has no theming. What about the Boomerang? I'm not adverse to Six Flags making improvements. I'm all for it. But IMO they picked the wrong ride. It's just another one of the management's odd choices. Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 30 05:45:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92984 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 13:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 13:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 13:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LStge-0001Td-HU for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: <4983047A.2000608@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:45:30 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <5943.33435.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4981CA60.6080405@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <4981CA60.6080405@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786895b6c114b710cd897bcfbbfaeb2d4924ce30cde3b24aed350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Superflame: Ride of Gimmicks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=5mWeoNank-9PTSEXr2H67QvdSkdfKbdtYHBwLiZJP0Z7M8U X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > > > > ?? All I ever hear from people is how evil Six Flags is because all they > ever do is build TEEN MEGA ULTRA XTREME COASTERZ and then let them rot. > And how families will never go there because there's no theming, and the > rides are rotting and there's no paint, and it's run by the devil, blaa > blaa blaa. So now Six Flags is spending money adding theming and > rejuvenating an old ride, and people STILL complain! No wonder the > industry hates enthusiasts so much (heck, I do too sometimes). > Cam, the problem isn't that they are spending money to improve things in the park. They're spending on things that don't need improvements and ignoring the things that do. Let me use X at SFMM as an example. Did it need new trains? Yes, no problems there. Did it need a soundtrack, flamethrowers, etc? No. It already had the longest lines in the park, why do you need to make them longer. Especially in light of there being 2 classic coasters in the park that were still left to rot that could desperately use the infusion of work on them. They could have used the money for all the additional, unnecessary improvements on X and instead revitalized one or two other coasters in addition to it, and come out with far more for their money. The same thing is happening here. Why are you spending so much money to add to a coaster that is already possibly the most popular in the park and isn't going to add to the draw when that money could be spread around the park, make far more improvements to several rides instead of just one, and help make the park as a whole a better draw instead of one ride that already is a big draw. I also don't recall enthusiasts saying that people won't go to a park because of a lack of theming. It's usually because of the park atmosphere, which care of the rides is a major part of. Using your examples, how many coasters could have been painted and rot and rust cleaned up for the same price they're paying for these additions? How much nicer could the park as a whole be made for the same price as they're paying to put in and maintain flamethrowers? A lot. Six Flags gets bashed because when it comes to spending priorities they act like a bunch of idiots who can't prioritize intelligently at all. keep on ridin' George From mr.fabulus26@ymail.com Fri Jan 30 15:49:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr.fabulus26@ymail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37923 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 23:49:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 23:49:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (76.13.13.77) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 23:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from [76.13.13.26] by n7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 23:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from [76.13.10.171] by t3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 23:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp112.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 23:49:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 308740.63788.bm@omp112.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 25114 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2009 23:49:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3FArAToVM1nMejE6lrOooVW2lP.vx_cgyhZiKeMD_31eBNV_0dwg6fqZBVDByAXW07ATFa949SCi7e.rDRPB7OGyqE69LyFRjg9nawLDoyEEoPgUGGmYxzagv8uxvPUj96hl5L0RJeyXq8nyXIfSkKVy1ek- X-Received: from [76.197.230.126] by web59712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:49:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1156.82 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:49:18 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <124924.24853.qm@web59712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 76.13.13.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Anthony Lyons X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383567944; y=-b4Os1mbEwKr9NqOd_UaXsmntVP5I2zn0sJdoheQthCITdm87JSUIxUvGLnYfk3GrA X-Yahoo-Profile: mr.fabulus26@ymail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H3LLO =A0Anthony Lyons=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Jan 30 16:02:09 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99740 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2009 00:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2009 00:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2009 00:02:08 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2009 00:02:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2009 00:02:08 -0000 Date: 31 Jan 2009 00:02:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1233360125.84.48290.w129@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: WHAT COASTER WOULD YOU RATHER RIDE 100 TIMES o VIPER o SUPERMAN ULTIMATE FLIGHT o BATMAN To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=2820006 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Jan 30 16:31:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57427 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2009 00:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2009 00:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-127.bluehost.com) (67.222.38.27) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2009 00:31:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30315 invoked by uid 0); 31 Jan 2009 00:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box502.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.102) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2009 00:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box502.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LT3m0-0006wF-Gx for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:31:48 -0700 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4983047A.2000608@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:40:38 -0500 References: <5943.33435.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4981CA60.6080405@buzzneon.com> <4983047A.2000608@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Identified-User: {41346:box502.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 76.120.240.252 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 67.222.38.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Superflame: Ride of Gimmicks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=A2caw-49gZaLh5P4KDhZ32mNt2ahyLUfMeHn45n-VXlZTBwCNJpP X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> ?? All I ever hear from people is how evil Six Flags is because all >> they >> ever do is build TEEN MEGA ULTRA XTREME COASTERZ and then let them >> rot. >> And how families will never go there because there's no theming, >> and the >> rides are rotting and there's no paint, and it's run by the devil, >> blaa >> blaa blaa. So now Six Flags is spending money adding theming and >> rejuvenating an old ride, and people STILL complain! No wonder the >> industry hates enthusiasts so much (heck, I do too sometimes). >> > > Cam, the problem isn't that they are spending money to improve > things in > the park. They're spending on things that don't need improvements and > ignoring the things that do. > > Let me use X at SFMM as an example. Did it need new trains? Yes, no > problems there. Did it need a soundtrack, flamethrowers, etc? No. > It > already had the longest lines in the park, why do you need to make > them > longer. Especially in light of there being 2 classic coasters in the > park that were still left to rot that could desperately use the > infusion > of work on them. They could have used the money for all the > additional, > unnecessary improvements on X and instead revitalized one or two other > coasters in addition to it, and come out with far more for their > money. > > The same thing is happening here. Why are you spending so much > money to > add to a coaster that is already possibly the most popular in the park > and isn't going to add to the draw when that money could be spread > around the park, make far more improvements to several rides instead > of > just one, and help make the park as a whole a better draw instead of > one > ride that already is a big draw. But that's exactly why they're doing it, because Superman is popular. I mean, why would they invest in making improvements to a crappy ride like Mind Eraser when they can invest in making Superman better? Although I haven't been to SFNE, I imagine they're going to bring in more people with "Come ride Superman again, you think it was awesome before, wait until you ride it again!" rather than "Come ride Mind Eraser... it still sucks, but it looks better now". Reminds me of "You put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" heh. As much as SF needs to invest in the smaller rides, the main thing they need to focus on is actually generating revenue. To me it looks like this addition to Superman is targeted at people who have already been to SFNE, and need that little extra incentive to come back to the park, rather than a completely new audience. Compared to building a brand new ride, this is a way better investment, it probably costs next to nothing. With the extra money they bring in, they can invest that in the smaller rides. -Mike From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Jan 30 18:20:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67241 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2009 02:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2009 02:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2009 02:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LT5TY-00035k-7N for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:20:52 -0500 Message-ID: <4983B57E.6090301@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:20:46 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1233360125.84.48290.w129@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1233360125.84.48290.w129@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786895b6c114b710cd430fc10e6cf7ded4ba18a3842cce2471350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=mlyj54LxRz2PdcyFwRrFAloNO980E1oFSO8vSxh2o4NnXTg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > WHAT COASTER WOULD YOU RATHER RIDE 100 TIMES > > o VIPER > o SUPERMAN ULTIMATE FLIGHT > o BATMAN > Ahh must be someone new to the list or coasters who started this poll. Welcome! Lots to learn and lots of info out there. So the question is, which Viper (there's at least 3 I'm aware of), which Superman Ultimate Flight (2 of them, though they are clones- or the same as each other), and which Batman (Dark Knight, The Ride- lots of those around, or some other one)? If you ever want to know how many coasters share names, take a look at www.rcdb.com the roller coaster database. It's got just about every coaster built listed. type in a name in the search box and see how many coasters come up with that name. keep on ridin' George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 22:11:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32289 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2009 06:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2009 06:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2009 06:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2009 06:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2009 06:11:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:11:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4983B57E.6090301@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Ao6l17_xodX2t_NFUpAe0zRTI2RdACffyxBA7mv3mzhDHMbCzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'm going to go out on a limb and guess our new member is a Six Flags=20 Great America fan, as it's the only park with a coaster by each of=20 those names currently operating.=20 In that case, I'll go with Batman. Then I can ride 50 times on BTR=20 and 50 on BTDK for a little more variety. ;-) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: >=20 > > WHAT COASTER WOULD YOU RATHER RIDE 100 TIMES > >=20 > > o VIPER > > o SUPERMAN ULTIMATE FLIGHT > > o BATMAN > >=20 >=20 > Ahh must be someone new to the list or coasters who started this=20 poll.=20 > Welcome! Lots to learn and lots of info out there. >=20 > So the question is, which Viper (there's at least 3 I'm aware of),=20 which=20 > Superman Ultimate Flight (2 of them, though they are clones- or the=20 same=20 > as each other), and which Batman (Dark Knight, The Ride- lots of=20 those=20 > around, or some other one)? >=20 > If you ever want to know how many coasters share names, take a look=20 at=20 > www.rcdb.com the roller coaster database. It's got just about=20 every=20 > coaster built listed. type in a name in the search box and see how=20 many=20 > coasters come up with that name. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Jan 31 14:03:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99185 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2009 22:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2009 22:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2009 22:03:15 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c3d.4e78f4f9 (39332) for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:03:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:03:10 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=zjSnO1O-XjGOO0YsOi_b2i04fwgfM3dpRqtKA4rhwGsNPNKdFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I say probably the same, its a Great America fan, so I voted Viper. 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Article in the Orlando Sentinal today on it: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attractions/orl-kassab0409feb04,0,2251456.column keep on ridin George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 07:10:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99490 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 15:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 15:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 15:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2009 15:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2009 15:09:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:09:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49899A68.40908@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens and Sea World parks for Dubai canceled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=2mkEfHgol97bzJHfXPFXJMUS5_j_fQB_MMkpgHJvYo4t68fFgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > > economic slowdown as well as the parks' uncertain future seems to=20 have=20 > killed the plans for the block of 4 Busch parks in Dubai. Article in=20 > the Orlando Sentinal today on it: >=20 > http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attractions/orl- kassab0409feb04,0,2251456.column >=20 > keep on ridin > George Wow. I've been following all the recent setbacks in the Dubailand=20 Projet and some of the other area developments, but the last time I saw=20 aerial photography of Palm Jebel Ali, the island at the crown had=20 already started taking the shape of Shamu.=20 Maybe if they'd have banked some of those record profits last year in=20 the oil industry, instead of buying gold plated Gulfstream jets, there=20 would have been some left over for a rainy day. Oh, wait. They probably don't have any sayings about rainy days in the=20 UAE. It rained twice, albeit briefly, the year I lived in the Persian=20 Gulf state of Bahrain.=20 Chris From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Wed Feb 04 18:04:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16413 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2009 02:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2009 02:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail-25.bluehost.com) (69.89.21.20) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2009 02:04:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1752 invoked by uid 0); 5 Feb 2009 02:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO box502.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.102) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2009 02:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from c-76-120-240-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([76.120.240.252] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by box502.bluehost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LUtbd-0000GR-ST for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:04:42 -0700 Message-Id: <4D18DF7C-3FB4-421A-9ADC-29494CA599DE@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:13:30 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Identified-User: {41346:box502.bluehost.com:donkeyen:donkeyentertainment.com} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 76.120.240.252 authed with donkeyentertainment.com} X-Originating-IP: 69.89.21.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens and Sea World parks for Dubai canceled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=q94A9BKExiwaujmSHSvSPApBkVPLRWqM6H1jGAiMQheK3a2VaTZv X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman >> economic slowdown as well as the parks' uncertain future seems to > have >> killed the plans for the block of 4 Busch parks in Dubai. Article in >> the Orlando Sentinal today on it: >> >> http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attractions/orl- > kassab0409feb04,0,2251456.column >> >> keep on ridin >> George > > Wow. I've been following all the recent setbacks in the Dubailand > Projet and some of the other area developments, but the last time I > saw > aerial photography of Palm Jebel Ali, the island at the crown had > already started taking the shape of Shamu. > > Maybe if they'd have banked some of those record profits last year in > the oil industry, instead of buying gold plated Gulfstream jets, there > would have been some left over for a rainy day. > > Oh, wait. They probably don't have any sayings about rainy days in the > UAE. It rained twice, albeit briefly, the year I lived in the Persian > Gulf state of Bahrain. Wait, some Dubai parks are being cancelled because Dubai isn't the center of pure profit that everyone was forecasting? Heh heh heh Mike From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Feb 07 22:50:34 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33799 invoked by uid 7800); 8 Feb 2009 06:50:31 -0000 Date: 8 Feb 2009 06:50:31 -0000 Message-ID: <1234075831.9.33796.m52@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=PjkEEesZpjmVNYKw834smKLpZxHj7IL1234075827-1" --YCalReminder=PjkEEesZpjmVNYKw834smKLpZxHj7IL1234075827-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Disney's California Adventure opened Sunday February 8, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Anaheim, CA Notes: On this date in 2001 Disney's California Adventure park opened. 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--YCalReminder=PjkEEesZpjmVNYKw834smKLpZxHj7IL1234075827-1-- From eddoiii@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 05:03:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: eddoiii@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43209 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2009 13:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2009 13:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2009 13:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2009 13:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2009 13:03:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:03:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.192.187.37 From: "Ed" Subject: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160925110; y=N9p6Lmt8pySxDPZ4Kb2bhwtbR1a8k6rLZMWFp3rtS290Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterrider69 I do not know if anybody has seen this or not but I find it very close to the way I feel all the time good video. I do not post too often on here but I do read all the time almost all of your comments are spot on. Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkpBOzNhA7-s From lance@screamscape.com Sun Feb 08 06:07:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76368 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2009 14:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2009 14:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com) (67.199.146.24) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2009 14:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LWAJR-0008UX-Nr for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 06:07:09 -0800 Message-ID: <92A065FBC57944BBA8B09F595D023B70@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:07:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 67.199.146.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=eD08xSWQmjJ3vXcjja7N_dbtluMMrwcybvRZ9GOsx75A_S3E8UIu_bf5MA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Okay, that video was great. ;-) I may have to put a link to it on Screamscape this week for everyone to enjoy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed" To: Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Roller Coaster Junkie I do not know if anybody has seen this or not but I find it very close to the way I feel all the time good video. I do not post too often on here but I do read all the time almost all of your comments are spot on. Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBOzNhA7-s From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 13:16:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84954 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2009 21:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2009 21:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2009 21:16:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56487 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2009 21:16:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wXatSrwVM1nMOC7gJUs4vA9bqB7wFXQcdx0kYjpReJcgtn.S2mfdDBx3L7XJSBHweQBmE_kZWWpsrzfCeQpxMvT8D4UAExTmZM37o9aj9qb03sjhZUH8ALtsc01xLwlq8mGZKIIcnpZmWUybu69fQqVpnsEKk1ZoGwkBqhCSI5lMZYk- X-Received: from [72.79.204.27] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:16:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:16:33 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1234106598.2978.87450.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <175963.55412.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=MKLnq9ZiA-yaCt2hM4JoLb1sbPGDayydeZHKuUQ858duEK7Qhaz- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Great video, thanks! For years I had been struggling to write a song about roller coasters. Now I don't have to. This one is perfect. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 17:07:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26166 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 01:07:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 01:07:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 01:07:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 01:07:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 01:07:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:07:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-lSQgLElUMPbdB9nqr0pQO8akquNqy_4F4OvAaWYe8xd0IIRng X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" wrote: > > I do not know if anybody has seen this or not but I find it very close > to the way I feel all the time good video. > I do not post too often on here but I do read all the time almost all > of your comments are spot on. > Ed >=20 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkpBOzNhA7-s > Love it, love it, love it. The John K. / R. Bashki aroma to the whole=20 thing is fantastic! That's some very talented people. (I love how he's=20 dreaming of being on a coaster when he's sleeping while riding on the=20 coaster.) Chris From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Feb 09 17:29:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77033 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 01:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 01:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 01:29:21 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so512431ywe.15 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:29:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.98.12 with SMTP id v12mr340194agb.64.1234229360598; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:29:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902091729m62a2795cqbf59185dbecf8aa9@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=FkMrlFZ3lnvx60X1yaMGbF-uPEVP8WudR_fKRNj293Mzsvte_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I don't know, maybe it's just me, but lyrically speaking it's kind of lame. Sure, the subject is there, but something like "see, I like to ride the coaster" sounds like a bad translation from Japanese or something. I don't know, it just bugs me a little. Josh On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" wrote: >> >> I do not know if anybody has seen this or not but I find it very close >> to the way I feel all the time good video. >> I do not post too often on here but I do read all the time almost all >> of your comments are spot on. >> Ed >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBOzNhA7-s >> > > Love it, love it, love it. The John K. / R. Bashki aroma to the whole > thing is fantastic! That's some very talented people. (I love how he's > dreaming of being on a coaster when he's sleeping while riding on the > coaster.) > > Chris > > From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 08:46:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56164 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 16:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 16:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 16:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 16:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 16:45:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:45:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.34.245.211 From: "Matt" Subject: Ready to ride! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=9k0QL7IpbTqwROAF5p1rP-1j0Llj6eBbCu_K1gmVdjhw5Sj57J8qdG8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire Just have to share some news with the group. My oldest daughter had a=20 doctor appointment this morning (just a check up) and she is now 48=20 inches tall!! Wooohoooo!! She is pumped to ride this summer! I can't=20 wait to take her on some big boys. LOL=20=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 15:06:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42888 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 23:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 23:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 23:06:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20398 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2009 23:06:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LW4RpRcVM1kBq9vKNta170F7DaVN8hTW19mvo8iYL.YdRs0hJ82mNiF7.nPRRxT5KaOj5cOj623p5pDHFX7FTYFeTFSOfSeyeXMqPWo4AxXjHJoQMrHqz7eJbjokm6WLfIH7.icHG0q.PL3VKL2u1hNkEK.XmoRygH08tUkX6bav014- X-Received: from [72.79.227.140] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:06:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:06:14 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1234277648.3057.11042.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <936108.19938.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=iEw_rMczw73-fqpAcJaaNy3yyac2ayddslCZfoR1s4P0Vy7Y5fB3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I don't know, maybe it's just me, but lyrically speaking it's kind of lame. < It's really simplistic. But I've tried to be more lyrically articulate about the experience and it somehow just doesn't work. There's a balance between a bouncy, hummable tune and lyrics that fit it. I think this song got it right. I don't think the song would be nearly as good without the wonderful animation, though. (One of my favorite parts is the father discovering the kid in his room building a giant looper. And really, I can't quite explain *why* I love roller coasters. I just do. So in that way, the song makes perfect sense. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Feb 10 15:33:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98063 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 23:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 23:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f21.google.com) (209.85.221.21) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 23:33:12 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so647355qyk.9 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:33:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.241.10 with SMTP id o10mr3782394wfh.23.1234308792226; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:33:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <936108.19938.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1234277648.3057.11042.m45@yahoogroups.com> <936108.19938.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:33:12 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902101533t2b6d944av97873307e761dd5a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=vw_UJR1I6mhjt9KbqwTYmXPa17lsiH-6BpWFroQz25b2s3QntA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I know what you're saying, I still think it sounds like it was written by a 3rd grader. Again, I completely agree that there's no way to explain that kind of thing, but coming from my musician standpoint, I think it's lame. Josh On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Jay Ducharme wrote: >> I don't know, maybe it's just me, but lyrically speaking it's kind of >> lame. < > > It's really simplistic. But I've tried to be more lyrically articulate about > the experience and it somehow just doesn't work. There's a balance between a > bouncy, hummable tune and lyrics that fit it. I think this song got it > right. I don't think the song would be nearly as good without the wonderful > animation, though. (One of my favorite parts is the father discovering the > kid in his room building a giant looper. > > And really, I can't quite explain *why* I love roller coasters. I just do. > So in that way, the song makes perfect sense. > > Jay > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 21:53:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40829 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 05:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 05:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 05:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 05:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 05:53:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:52:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0902101533t2b6d944av97873307e761dd5a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=co6j_R3r1UsgizxPvwEYNTyOSMLv8tFqDSLRDrx7u7MtAXIQO-yx X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Yeah, I agree with Josh. I just finally watched it and almost turned=20 it off halfway through. But then I thought, "what the hell it's only a=20 minute long" and finished the whole thing.=20=20 It would be great on a childrens video compilation, (minus the peeing=20 part) but other than that, I don't think I'll be adding it in to my=20 Ipod rotation. Although it would provide a nice contrast to the new=20 Cannibal Corpse I've been listening to. From lagrangedw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 01:37:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lagrangedw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9957 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 09:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 09:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 09:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 09:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 09:37:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:37:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.236.219.157 From: "Carrie Ann" Subject: Re: Ready to ride! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=328459402; y=E2mF7d-BOGjS4VaSOtx1fZ7L9jZTxHRWpJnWEOBuAPsouYGqRA X-Yahoo-Profile: lagrangedw I remeber those days!! My youngest was tall enough a few years ago.=20=20 Now we spend all summer traveling to coasters we haven't done yet.=20=20 Hubby is already counting the days till our local parks open!! We did=20 the Cedar Fair circut last year, planning on hitting the Six Flags=20 around us this year. Enjoy your summer!!!!! Take lots of video and pics! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 wrote: > > Just have to share some news with the group. My oldest daughter had=20 a=20 > doctor appointment this morning (just a check up) and she is now 48=20 > inches tall!! Wooohoooo!! She is pumped to ride this summer! I=20 can't=20 > wait to take her on some big boys. LOL > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 05:34:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57612 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 13:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 13:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 13:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 13:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 13:34:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:34:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.138.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=vIseeX73AavQXtoqzlTlh-S0yka1iMan6y5Vfn67qv7heuhGML8C X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 >=20 > Love it, love it, love it. The John K. / R. Bashki aroma to the whole=20 > thing is fantastic! That's some very talented people. (I love how=20 he's=20 > dreaming of being on a coaster when he's sleeping while riding on the=20 > coaster.) >=20 > Chris > It's not bad, but pales in comparison to the Roger Rabbit=20 short, "Rollercoaster Rabbit" which played in theaters with Dick Tracy.=20 I have that toon on VHS, and watch it at least a dozen times a=20 year...especially out of season! Mike From ryles30@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 06:19:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ryles30@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55859 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 14:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 14:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 14:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 14:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 14:19:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:19:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.17.3.153 From: "ryles30" Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=318951223; y=Tmuh1CM7G-S77h3OO2lyaDkB_3DijVT7_Ly8PEYlMHeXfg X-Yahoo-Profile: ryles30 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > It would be great on a childrens video compilation, (minus the peeing=20 > part) but other than that, I don't think I'll be adding it in to my=20 > Ipod rotation. Although it would provide a nice contrast to the new=20 > Cannibal Corpse I've been listening to. Yay! There's a CC fan on here! From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Feb 11 14:12:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99430 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 22:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 22:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 22:12:15 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k45so534785rnd.6 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:12:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.186.15 with SMTP id j15mr56378wff.271.1234390335175; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:12:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:12:15 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902111412reab57f1pda6843b28b403d9d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roller Coaster Junkie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Ofn8-vEdai1_hoBdFt6mQbVmkanrQ-70jT51UuReEZcCJIRtDg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I found the "artist's" myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/haniaz She's some kind of Australian Enya or something. Her other stuff is at least better than the junkie song, from a musical standpoint, but she's still pretty terrible IMO. Oh, BTW CC is great, but I do prefer AC or BTBAM at times. Josh On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:19 AM, ryles30 wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" > > wrote: > >> It would be great on a childrens video compilation, (minus the peeing >> part) but other than that, I don't think I'll be adding it in to my >> Ipod rotation. Although it would provide a nice contrast to the new >> Cannibal Corpse I've been listening to. > > Yay! There's a CC fan on here! > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 15:08:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96684 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 23:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 23:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 23:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 23:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 23:08:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:08:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Ready to ride! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=8Gnia1BMhhWY9L-nyjK2AhhrS8xMXm5gLPLbbMzTLMH_G52nG1nV X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Geez, our son has hit the opposite of a growth spurt. He's been on a=20 growth plateau for over a year. He's the shortest in his class and=20 still hasn't hit 48 inches. Which means he can't ride anything at=20 Cedar Point. They have the worst height req's of any park we've ever=20 been to but it's our home park. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Carrie Ann"=20 wrote: > > I remeber those days!! My youngest was tall enough a few years=20 ago.=20=20 > Now we spend all summer traveling to coasters we haven't done yet.=20=20 > Hubby is already counting the days till our local parks open!! We=20 did=20 > the Cedar Fair circut last year, planning on hitting the Six Flags=20 > around us this year. Enjoy your summer!!!!! Take lots of video and=20 pics! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 > wrote: > > > > Just have to share some news with the group. My oldest daughter=20 had=20 > a=20 > > doctor appointment this morning (just a check up) and she is now=20 48=20 > > inches tall!! Wooohoooo!! She is pumped to ride this summer! I=20 > can't=20 > > wait to take her on some big boys. LOL > > > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Feb 11 18:12:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41351 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2009 02:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2009 02:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2009 02:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c8d.3c25d048 (34946) for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:11:36 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA057-888249938541a7; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:11:13 -0500 Message-ID: <49938527.9080304@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:10:47 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Ready to ride! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=AiCm2gQj0S4vPD6UULu3w-lqqNzbghr_Rd0LVvFk1dBxMiKWQw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo tommytheduck wrote: > Geez, our son has hit the opposite of a growth spurt. He's been on a > growth plateau for over a year. He's the shortest in his class and > still hasn't hit 48 inches. Which means he can't ride anything at > Cedar Point. They have the worst height req's of any park we've ever > been to but it's our home park. > > Sounds like you have to head to Knoebels, 42" for both the Phoenix and the Twister. Personally, I think that is too short, I've seen some really small kids get on those coasters and been worried for them. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on.... From jackson.kevin36@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 07:56:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31957;u=;t=1234490210;m=79765604;s=4273422584; From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 12 08:26:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15033 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2009 16:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2009 16:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2009 16:24:25 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so180222qwb.43 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:24:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.199.16 with SMTP id w16mr540996wff.4.1234455864522; Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:24:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:24:24 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=73uUUFuC5Ve7x70qPytEUX9XXPrSOPmUx_DZfHrEetWPsZQ7kDyX0I0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! They are looking to > chat and trade emails for pleasure and fun!!!! Jon? I think this one's for you. -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 09:56:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78365 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2009 17:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2009 17:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2009 17:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2009 17:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2009 17:55:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:55:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49938527.9080304@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Ready to ride! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=w4bPlUmdKzONtTIHINCFCxKNlO4fTJha2QJkdzs9zQ-4xJLPp4-c X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck >=20 > Sounds like you have to head to Knoebels, 42" for both the Phoenix=20 and=20 > the Twister. >=20 > Personally, I think that is too short, I've seen some really small=20 kids=20 > get on those coasters and been worried for them. >=20 > --=20 > Nathan Brown Yup, did that for his 5th b-day. We went to Knoebels, Hershey and=20 Lakemont. He was *just* barely 42 inches. In fact, we had to leave=20 the first ticket booth at Knoebels because it was on uneven ground=20 and didn't measure him tall enough. We went to a different ticket=20 booth and it was fine.=20=20 By last October we were able to put him on Iron Dragon and Disaster=20 Transport, but that took some serious shoe stuffing. To answer the second part of your post, I'm gonna start a new thread. -Brian F. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 10:05:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71804 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2009 18:05:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2009 18:05:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2009 18:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2009 18:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.230] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2009 18:05:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:04:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Height requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=9kdMbpGuhh8j8XkFChBNdufI7zeRuikQoor3NBs8z0EL8SmVpbzE X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Nathan said about Knoebels how he feels 42 inches is too short for=20 the Twister to ride alone. I completely agree with that. On his 5th b-day, there was no way in=20 hell I'd put William on that ride by himself, even though legally I=20 could have. I guess that means if anything happened to him, the park=20 would be responsible, at least partly. Now I have no problem taking=20 him on it with myself or my wife sitting next to him, as we can keep=20 an eye on him. I fact, when he was younger, I would typically ride=20 with my arm around him, kinda like an OTSR, on larger rides that I=20 knew has a lot of air or forces. Because Twister hurts me, let alone=20 a yr old. I found it ironic that of the 3 coasters there, they all were 42=20 inches, yet only the HSTC, the kiddie ride had a "must be accompanied=20 by an adult" clause. So with all that being said, it drives me nuts how different parks=20 have different height restrictions. At Cedar Point, our home park,=20 its 46 inches for Iron Dragon and Disaster, and 48 for anything=20 bigger. That means he cannot ride the Mine train, even though he's=20 ridden countless others. He cannot ride the Blue Streak even though=20 at 3 years old he rode the Triple Hurricane (Cypress Gardens) 8 times=20 in a row without getting off.=20=20 I'm pretty sure it has to do with corporate lawyers, insurance=20 premiums, etc, but this drives me nuts. It makes going to our home=20 park not nearly as enjoyable as it should be. I want to go into the=20 front office and shout "Jesus Christ, he rode Powder Keg last year,=20 let him on the freaking mine train!" but that would just make me a=20 tool. So we'll keep feeding him his vitamins, stretching him on the rack=20 and hope for the best in the next couple months. -Brian F. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Feb 12 17:59:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36601 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 01:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 01:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 01:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LXnKV-0001Zg-7n for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <4994D3DD.9040502@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:58:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784157988dcaf9ac3e0c15e7bc1905fda38831aeffa39aee59350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=oL7d0vSYjWTU3W494-oqjb_luZC_gZ4KHvt9TXtKZMg1tB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash My filters must be better than some of yours as, if it wasn't for Nate's reply I wouldn't have ever known the original had gone through. In any case the original was deleted. Sorry digest folks, but you've been spared the link. And the author received a quick boot the head (or other applicable body parts). Kind of scary how many of these have slipped by me the last few months. Guess I need to be a bit harsher on my membership screenings. keep on ridin' George From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Feb 12 20:12:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26437 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 04:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 04:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 04:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2009 04:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2009 04:12:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:12:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=ulnY-59kXoqfgg2xcd3rDVfdeFOe_g9pCYqFpfikyG4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch=20 wrote: > > > Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! They are looking=20 to > > chat and trade emails for pleasure and fun!!!! >=20 > Jon? I think this one's for you. >=20 > -Nate > Taking off my coaster cap and asking a semi-serious professional=20 question. Did anyone but Nate get this? If so then Yahoo! caught it=20 but late. If no one else got it then Nate you or someone you know=20 with the groups address is sending the spam. Jon From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 12 20:29:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84899 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 04:29:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 04:29:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 04:29:33 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1479634wfd.22 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:29:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.173.8 with SMTP id v8mr108876wfe.55.1234499373427; Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:29:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:29:33 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=IkHZppJZhZhF7i4lLzmdEkh9q6oQ54zqmuyTkEEwr1Cnw65dFNMuSVg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Taking off my coaster cap and asking a semi-serious professional > question. Did anyone but Nate get this? If so then Yahoo! caught it > but late. If no one else got it then Nate you or someone you know > with the groups address is sending the spam. It posted to the group site, so it was definitely posted to the group. Don't know why some got it and others different, but I assume (as George did) that it depends on how your spam filters are set. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Feb 12 21:42:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99717 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 05:42:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 05:42:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 05:42:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2197 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 05:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Feb 2009 05:42:47 -0000 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:42:45 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=3hjesovF6I2BY_wENtxUmKaz2ii5TxH8morVFbmtny_qn4Ib X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I got it .. I was wondering if there might be some ERT involved ... :) Cameron. On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch > wrote: >> >>> Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! They are looking > to >>> chat and trade emails for pleasure and fun!!!! >> >> Jon? I think this one's for you. >> >> -Nate >> > Taking off my coaster cap and asking a semi-serious professional > question. Did anyone but Nate get this? If so then Yahoo! caught it > but late. If no one else got it then Nate you or someone you know > with the groups address is sending the spam. > > Jon > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From jjloj@netzero.net Fri Feb 13 08:28:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52417 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 16:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 16:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 16:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2009 16:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2009 16:28:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:28:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=YP9C3wcv8FSjhOM2x-to-ETjzRU4Rdp6avUrONEEehI X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj Good enough, if you saw it on the website then it is not an e-mail=20 payload on some infected machine somewhere it is a spammer.=20=20 (Taking off my old Information Technician Second Class Petty Officer=20 hat and returning you to your listserv.) jjloj=20 From drounds@jvlnet.com Fri Feb 13 18:53:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5113 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 02:53:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 02:53:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.12.55) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 02:53:50 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 38639338 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:53:49 -0600 X-Received: (qmail 14593 invoked by uid 99); 14 Feb 2009 02:53:49 -0000 Date: 13 Feb 2009 20:53:49 -0600 X-Received: from 76.208.66.222 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:53:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <39f083ed9248c6f923175655042a79ed.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:53:49 -0600 (CST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.12.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=X60c9Ezgq2EIzxwwC1DtxDYDKf3oLHquZZSvrOI9mKE7EUcJ X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 The span filter on my e-mail account caught the message, so yes it was sent to me, but it was blocked. David Rounds >> > Taking off my coaster cap and asking a semi-serious professional > question. Did anyone but Nate get this? If so then Yahoo! caught it > but late. If no one else got it then Nate you or someone you know > with the groups address is sending the spam. > > Jon > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Feb 13 18:56:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13031 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 02:56:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 02:56:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f211.google.com) (209.85.217.211) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 02:56:30 -0000 X-Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so1404533gxk.14 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:56:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.56.16 with SMTP id e16mr565064aga.105.1234580190176; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:56:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <39f083ed9248c6f923175655042a79ed.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> References: <39f083ed9248c6f923175655042a79ed.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902131856w600f0106peac84928d9e5b48d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Meet sexy biker girls for partner, don't miss it! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=7ZcZJx5WKAaKMQmEPxRhfTIwH_nfJM8Hn9zfNZA1U0YN83EyuA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Nevermind the bikes, I gotta have me more boats n' hoes. On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:53 PM, David Rounds wrote: > The span filter on my e-mail account caught the message, so yes it was > sent to me, but it was blocked. > David Rounds > >>> >> Taking off my coaster cap and asking a semi-serious professional >> question. Did anyone but Nate get this? If so then Yahoo! caught it >> but late. If no one else got it then Nate you or someone you know >> with the groups address is sending the spam. >> >> Jon >> >> > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 07:11:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58414 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 15:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 15:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 15:11:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40628 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2009 15:11:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9fr7c3oVM1kzVodc6gn2W.9amVCetrNReJTFCTtY0a1uTewVavLE9yzkwyNOhyMiXn85UBCGj3ZeJczyjoVBX4xunySMEeMjMsYfqOO00PLp55NDi8IiJhc9Dhaw.qajefP8DTxfeRXlXMb9APUnok3J_pGLMh26LmbQYRoW8z1yiJw- X-Received: from [72.79.192.240] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:11:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:11:30 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1234536740.3450.63485.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <118436.38247.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Height requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Te_EZ9rrPU4CxUW-ChE-v51Ssl9JlN5nB6LwMYoX7-qTDCIufN0U X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I guess that means if anything happened to him, the park would be responsible, at least partly. < But there are certain kids who just make the 42" height limit and are fine on the ride. Then again, there are kids taller than that who might not do well on the ride (because of fear or squirming in their seats or wanting to keep their hands over their eyes, etc...). IMO, it's really up to the parents; they know their children best. If you determine that your child shouldn't ride, even if he or she just makes the height requirement, then that's fine. But too often people are eager to blame the park. That's probably why so many manufacturers, parks and their insurance companies have gone to 48" or 52" -- to take all doubt away and make sure that anyone on that ride can be absolutely secured. Jay From jjloj@netzero.net Sun Feb 15 20:25:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21375 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 04:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 04:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 04:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:25:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:25:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=YzyK59ancoLmf2sDVNO_91Ub2rJWhPa2u0MLEzW1mJE X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj RANT ALERT. I have been annoyed about this since I read it. The initial drop on=20 the much hyped Diamond Back will be ONE FOOT taller then the drop on=20 the Son of Beast.=20=20 Why bother? That has been my question from the get go and this just=20 makes it solid for me. They should have put in the worlds longest inverted roller coaster and=20=20 called it the Tseab. Folk who are fans of Kings Island and the fact=20 it is DIFFERENT then the other parks in the midwest will all lament=20 this as the continued Cedar Pointifcation of Kings Island.=20=20 I suppose there is some marketing logic to this as lame non-inverting=20 "steel" coasters are popular. No the marketing logic is perfect. Add=20 a dumb coaster to attract dumb riders. The fact that ignorance is so=20 common is a pain.=20 They have those of us who love regional uniqueness of the park. (I=20 know there a virtual carbon copies elsewhere, but I have to drive past=20 King's Island to get to them for the most part.) It is not like I can=20 go anywhere else and ride the Beast. Vortex has more inversions then=20 anything else in the region, and it is even a pretty long trip to the=20 nearest copy of Flight of Fear. No point it trying to make us more=20 interested with a midwest unique ride. No, just another draft of=20 Magnum XL-200. Not like if I wanted to ride that I couldn't just go=20 to the other side of the state (or ValleyFair or Worlds of Fun). One Foot! Cedar Fair is so sad. From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Feb 15 20:40:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72239 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 04:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 04:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 04:40:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9337 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 04:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 16 Feb 2009 04:40:27 -0000 Message-Id: <4AF9109F-9592-4AC5-8A86-CEFFFF2EFFA5@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:40:26 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hexU_EPUk6M0M3MnADsYZlX3_RvvcPqkqezz7GNGBiyfo-DP X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I agree that one foot taller to grab some meaningless record is pretty stupid .. but how would "worlds longest inverted coaster" be any less Cedar Pointification?? They're both equally pointless in my opinion.. Cameron. On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:25 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > RANT ALERT. > I have been annoyed about this since I read it. The initial drop on > the much hyped Diamond Back will be ONE FOOT taller then the drop on > the Son of Beast. > > Why bother? That has been my question from the get go and this just > makes it solid for me. > > They should have put in the worlds longest inverted roller coaster and > called it the Tseab. Folk who are fans of Kings Island and the fact > it is DIFFERENT then the other parks in the midwest will all lament > this as the continued Cedar Pointifcation of Kings Island. > > I suppose there is some marketing logic to this as lame non-inverting > "steel" coasters are popular. No the marketing logic is perfect. Add > a dumb coaster to attract dumb riders. The fact that ignorance is so > common is a pain. > > They have those of us who love regional uniqueness of the park. (I > know there a virtual carbon copies elsewhere, but I have to drive past > King's Island to get to them for the most part.) It is not like I can > go anywhere else and ride the Beast. Vortex has more inversions then > anything else in the region, and it is even a pretty long trip to the > nearest copy of Flight of Fear. No point it trying to make us more > interested with a midwest unique ride. No, just another draft of > Magnum XL-200. Not like if I wanted to ride that I couldn't just go > to the other side of the state (or ValleyFair or Worlds of Fun). > > One Foot! Cedar Fair is so sad. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun Feb 15 21:08:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28719 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 05:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 05:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 05:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c00.51af3da1 (29679) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:08:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:08:46 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=oMtF9s7AvihBywRfWg_Syydv-81X5B9IKtzI1fVk9wFlxYyfvg X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure I understand what the complaining is all about here. Why cant we just go and enjoy the coasters for what they are? Kings Island has worked really hard to bring people a coaster they've wanted for a very long time for people to enjoy. This could be the best one they've built in 30 years! What difference does it make if its only one foot taller than Son of Beast? It's going to be a great ride, guys! If you dont want to ride it, then dont go to Kings Island. I dont understand why there is griping about a new ride that no one has ridden yet, over petty stuff of how big it is, or that its only one foot taller than Son of Beast. Just go ride it and enjoy it. That is why they built it, for us to enjoy! I know I sure intend to! Kings Island has done an awesome job on it! **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 07:41:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57042 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 15:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 15:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 15:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 15:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 15:41:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:41:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=ip5eU4qZ_YI9AfAfRuWaW_jHrP_SxdhnABYu-PESy6pDharV5MPL X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand what the complaining is all about here.=20=20 It's going to be a great ride, guys! If=20 > you dont want to ride it, then dont go to Kings Island. I dont=20 understand why=20 > there is griping about a new ride that no one has ridden yet, over=20 petty=20 > stuff of how big it is, or that its only one foot taller than Son=20 of Beast. Just=20 > go ride it and enjoy it. That is why they built it, for us to=20 enjoy! I know=20 > I sure intend to! Kings Island has done an awesome job on it!=20 There is no griping. Just a tiny little peep from the one person on=20 this list who's peeping means nothing. I for one cannot wait to ride=20 Diamondback. Why? because B+M hypers are a good product. True, I=20 would prefer an Intamin, but I haven't met a B+M hyper yet that I do=20 not enjoy. Razzle Dazzle bitches! -Brian F. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:16:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5117 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:16:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:16:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:16:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58904 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 00:16:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L.5je9cVM1nGncvZSkpPAmihAsGz03r20hIk9ieLA0okBmfiS1Qyy63KEnMVWQS0gJLLCpHKSnwp01XyoQxnu1blRjwSHxgNQxG3aek2Z7r7MxXLrZb4kANmzBddQ2nQXEwAckmucJPxE.iPxLnD.j_nJVIWwXtAfTLnXQCmdjWNluU- X-Received: from [72.70.227.85] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:16:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:16:43 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1234793736.3009.9487.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <868615.58668.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=dW66unceud8_HDXBw6S82Xz7k2uoBhUToaoMI7hqJ18DmQZeQDFM X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It is not like I can go anywhere else and ride the Beast. < Then enjoy that coaster and avoid Diamondback. I wouldn't travel to King's Island to ride Beast. I found it completely underwhelming. And I'm not looking for spinal realignment, so I've avoided its offspring as well. But I would love to ride another B&M hyper. The three I have ridden really impressed me. I don't care if it's just a foot taller than SoB. Tear that god-awful ride down, and then the point will be moot. It's really just a matter of personal preference. Jay From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Feb 16 19:43:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18198 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 03:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 03:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 03:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 03:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 03:43:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:43:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AF9109F-9592-4AC5-8A86-CEFFFF2EFFA5@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=rmGb_y_QKD40m9Rjk5LiLGishLPQNlIIAYPw0FfvUX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > I agree that one foot taller to grab some meaningless record is pretty = =20 > stupid .. but how would "worlds longest inverted coaster" be any less = =20 > Cedar Pointification?? They're both equally pointless in my opinion.. >=20 > Cameron. >=20 If that is all it was; you are very correct. One would hope that is you we= re going to build a=20 big new inverted coaster then you would do it well. That is not a forgone = conclusion with=20 Cedar Fair. It would be less of a Cedar Pointification because Cedar Point= is not really=20 know for the inverted coasters. Raptor is an okay ride but I don't know th= at it is really=20 better than Batman. No you are correct, to truely stand apart and compete in "wooden coasters" = with Holiday=20 world a good "woodie" twisty (Renegade) or "super cyclone" would be the rea= l "Anti-Cedar=20 Point" choice. Oh well. From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Feb 16 20:19:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48533 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 04:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 04:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 04:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 04:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 04:19:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:19:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=bbIEpbP4mQpvV_htEBdDxtMucAqD4cqqd6vyGGl2vJo X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand what the complaining is all about here. Why can= t=20=20 > we just go and enjoy the coasters > for what they are?=20 If your favorite pizza joint, the one that had the stuff just the way you l= iked it started to=20 serve copies of fast food burgers, would you be happy? Kings Island has worked really hard to bring people a=20=20 > coaster they've wanted for a very long time for people to enjoy. This cou= ld be=20=20 > the best one they've built in 30 years!=20 It will be the at best the second best they have built in 30 years. The Be= ast will still be=20 better. (If you were meaning the best after the Beast then I am being snar= ky and I am=20 sorry.)=20=20 There is no reason to believe this rise will be better then FoF or Vortex; = I mean really. >What difference does it make if its=20 > only one foot taller than Son of Beast?=20 BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IT UP IN THE ADS. People miss leading people (particularly the ignorant public) just makes me= mad. >It's going to be a great ride, guys!=20 Why? Is there one measurable reason that this will be a great ride? And w= hen you say=20 great what do you mean?=20=20 It will be a fun ride but great? What do you mean by great? >If=20 > you dont want to ride it, then dont go to Kings Island. I will go to Kings Island to ride the other rides. I may wait for more the= 45 minutes once=20 for the Diamond Back but thats it. Until the line matches the physics of t= he ride it only=20 useful purpose is to keep people out of line ahead of me on the "good" ride= s. > I dont understand why=20 > there is griping about a new ride that no one has ridden yet, over petty= =20 > stuff of how big it is, or that its only one foot taller than Son of Bea= st. Just=20 > go ride it and enjoy it. Let look at the history, and this is why it is important. Kings Island opens with the Racer. Great coaster big hit. A little less then a decade later you get the Beast. Great coaster big hit. A little less then a decade later you get Vortex. Not the Beast but nothing is. Good coaster great hit. Next decade FoF. Bad coaster - takes revisions to make it a good coaster w= hich it is=20 today. (Most pain a ever felt on a coaster...) Next decade Son of Beast. The park needed another flat track coaster of it= would be over=20 taken in that type by others. This coaster has not worked out for the hype= . It is the best=20 "tallest fastest woodie" since the American Eagle but it is no "Son of the = Beast." I still think=20 it is a very fine ride and if I had a different name I don't think people w= ould be as hard on=20 it. Now we get Diamond Back. It has no inversions. It is not launched. The s= horter than both=20 the Beast and the Son of Beast. I am sure the joules per kilogram ratio av= ailable to the=20 Beast is bigger then the Diamond Back and the Son of Beast is probably virt= ually a tie. In=20 other words, it brings no new physics to the party. It one feature was tha= t it is going to be=20 fast. But, with a drop basically equal to the Son of Beat, it will basical= ly be the same speed=20 as the Son of Beast. It will probably be about another decade (maybe a lit= tle less, more if=20 the economy doesn't pick up) before we get either another "super woodie" or= an good=20 inverted coaster at this park. Since I think that is what this parks needs= it does, "hurt" my=20 enjoyment of the park by not having those things. That is why I don't think it will be "great" now tell me why I am wrong. The needed to change course after the SoB this is not the direction to go. From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Feb 16 20:27:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4671 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 04:27:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 04:27:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 04:27:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 04:27:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 04:27:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:27:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=K4yQyZAPuXgsot30vhZO56S3BBkVLAvkTpE-RqUbmAw X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj >=20 > There is no griping. Just a tiny little peep from the one person on=20 > this list who's peeping means nothing. I for one cannot wait to ride=20 > Diamondback. Why? because B+M hypers are a good product. True, I=20 > would prefer an Intamin, but I haven't met a B+M hyper yet that I do=20 > not enjoy. >=20 > Razzle Dazzle bitches! > -Brian F. > What a statement! I am so reminded of a Ron White comedy segment where he = talks about=20 how his in laws were all about buying only Mercedes Benz. (But they don't = make a van...)=20 Who cares who built it? This is not about the quality of the individual co= aster. We are talking=20 about the makeup of the park. The type is not what the park needed. From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Feb 16 20:29:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47458 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 04:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 04:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 04:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 04:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 04:29:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:29:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <868615.58668.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=zEKkmj9bJGlh7H1Vb__s_w11S9lh6JxTNi_JKhBWI68 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > > It is not like I can go anywhere else and ride the Beast. < >=20 > Then enjoy that coaster and avoid Diamondback. I wouldn't travel to King= 's Island to ride=20 Beast. I found it completely underwhelming. And I'm not looking for spina= l realignment, so=20 I've avoided its offspring as well. >=20 > But I would love to ride another B&M hyper. The three I have ridden real= ly impressed me. I=20 don't care if it's just a foot taller than SoB. Tear that god-awful ride d= own, and then the=20 point will be moot. >=20 > It's really just a matter of personal preference. >=20 > Jay > Let me get this straight. You have never ridden the ride and you are sugge= sting it be=20 demolished? From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Feb 17 05:03:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45500 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 13:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 13:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 13:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LZPbk-0006fv-D4 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <499AB5A0.604@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:03:28 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784157988dcaf9ac3edcfefb793766992df690dc199b6876e3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=83ZE3F2BAteMECtKWQbaBlkIpJPRInc_Yx9VE9fO8WZgttY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Osborn wrote: > Let me get this straight. You have never ridden the ride and you are > suggesting it be > demolished? I have ridden SOB, and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they ripped it to shreds and tried instead to set a new world record with it- for the world's largest bonfire. And while the list has been quiet lately, I'm not sure that pitching a fit over a foot was necessarily something worth getting all "hyped" about. It's a foot difference- so what?? The park is marketing it. So what? That's what parks do to get people to come in the gate. I'm guessing you would have pitched a fit as well if it had been 30 feet shorter than SOB? NEWS FLASH: Coasters have to have some sort of height. That height may or may not be dramatically different in comparison to other coasters in the park or in nearby or faraway parks. Those coasters may or may not be marketed according to their heighth or length. Not everything is the same. Welcome to life and please, find something real to complain about. :) keep on ridin' George From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 05:37:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68426 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 13:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 13:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 13:37:04 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1051886yxb.39 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:37:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.16.74 with SMTP id n10mr1111774iba.23.1234877824396; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:37:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: <165816ef0902170537h3376e56fq84647b72f6888898@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=5iruhvtVrDW-oNfJMzYhBpp55_N3d9tHQoAU8cMnVDablTE X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "People miss leading people (particularly the ignorant public) just makes me mad." It is called marketing. I think Cedar Fair probably thought touting Diamondback's superlatives would go over better with the local market than basing a marketing program around the fact that it was shorter than MF. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 10:45:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19192 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 18:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 18:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 18:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 18:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 18:45:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:45:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=GFVlLNLIMyYXOVFrlD3mZwOufkHEujO7rUR7BoyYuP_gPKmsrIwz X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > > but how would "worlds longest inverted coaster" be any less=20=20 > > Cedar Pointification?? They're both equally pointless in my=20 opinion.. > >=20 > > Cameron. =20 =20 > If that is all it was; you are very correct. One would hope that=20 is you were going to build a=20 > big new inverted coaster then you would do it well. That is not a=20 forgone conclusion with=20 > Cedar Fair. Raptor is an okay ride but I don't know that it is=20 really=20 > better than Batman. And there is the dilemma... Why does everyone like Batman so much?=20=20 Because it's small, compact, and has a lot of forces. Certainly not=20 something you are going to get with the "tallest fastest" anything.=20=20 Busch tried it with Montu and Alpengiest, and what do I hear from=20 enthusiasts? How horrible and forceless and pointless both of those=20 rides are. For the Record, I love Montu. Besides, King Island already has an inverted coaster. It's called=20 Invertigo. And Top Gun if we're nit-picking. Invertigo has plenty=20 of forces, inversions, and to top it all off... it goes Backwards!=20=20 How are you going to compete with that in the mind of the general=20 public? A taller version of the same ride that doesn't even go=20 backwards? Or hang you there in suspense waiting to drop? Diamondback, while maybe only a foot taller than a ride everyone=20 hates, is in fact something that the park does not have. A tall,=20 fast, *SMOOTH* I'll say it again in case you weren't paying=20 attention, *SMOOTH* steel coaster that can handle large crowds.=20=20 It will be a hit. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 10:57:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5112 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 18:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 18:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 18:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 18:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 18:57:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:57:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=2ADfN47QD20KkCIfD0fzZ0f-COTjt0aJwxBY8FAD1LjHRYFoH9tg X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: =20 > Why? Is there one measurable reason that this will be a great=20 ride? And when you say great what do you mean?=20=20 I'll give you a whole bunch: Behemoth, Goliath (SFOG), Nitro,=20 Appollo's Chariot, Raging Bull. All B+M hypers that I've ridden.=20=20 And guess what, I love them all. Even Raging Bull. Based on this, I=20 have no reason to believe that Diamondback will be anything less. My=20 only complaint is that if anything, it is too similar to these other=20 rides and not very original. But, it will now be the closest to=20 where we live, and the easiest to get to. *AND* it is different=20 enough from Magnum (hate it) and Millineum Force (my #1 coaster) to=20 make it worth the drive. Even if Kings Island has nothing else to=20 make it worth the drive.=20=20 Yup, I said it. Now that the Flyers are gone, and Cedar Point has=20 Max Air, there is no reason for us to drive 3+1/2 hours to Kings=20 Island. If we're gonna drive 3 hours to a park, It's gonna be=20 Kennywood.=20 But wait... this is the best part of my post, right here... We haven't been to KI in 4 years and the only reason we will go this=20 year is for Diamondback. So there you go... Kings Island's new ride=20 worked at bringing back customers. And an enthusiast nonetheless. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 10:58:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59940 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 18:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 18:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 18:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 18:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 18:58:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:58:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=r2ix-88OZwV5ifD3KNMdETypDpd5yxksy0KtPf0k0eiaiIwLC4u2 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > If your favorite pizza joint, the one that had the stuff just the way=20 you liked it started to=20 > serve copies of fast food burgers, would you be happy? If it meant that they would keep making money and continue to serve the=20 pizza product that you love, then why not? You don't have to buy the=20 burgers. Just order your beloved pizza and laugh quietly at all the=20 stupid burger eaters who don't know what they are missing. I mean,=20 Porsche makes SUV's now. Is it right? No, but it keeps them=20 financially able to make truely great sports cars for a niche market. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 12:28:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26029 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 20:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 20:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.229) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 20:28:05 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3546302rvb.5 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:28:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.143.3.4 with SMTP id f4mr3125711wfi.299.1234902485457; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:28:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:28:05 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902171228g71101c31h9e50a6a70b9bb2f4@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=qqYSg6ssHFsmuwALZOJEQAUb_IlptzYDdGU-Bd-YknbKAAQB6g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Precisely. Give this man a cookie, or a bag of pretzels or something. :) It's not like they're ripping out Vortex to put in a hyper. They aren't changing anything, merely adding on to their selection. Josh On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:58 PM, tommytheduck wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" > wrote: > >> If your favorite pizza joint, the one that had the stuff just the way > you liked it started to >> serve copies of fast food burgers, would you be happy? > > If it meant that they would keep making money and continue to serve the > pizza product that you love, then why not? You don't have to buy the > burgers. Just order your beloved pizza and laugh quietly at all the > stupid burger eaters who don't know what they are missing. I mean, > Porsche makes SUV's now. Is it right? No, but it keeps them > financially able to make truely great sports cars for a niche market. > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 18:05:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81419 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 02:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 02:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 02:05:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86690 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2009 02:05:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Rms4iwkVM1noitr0M9B7SQXwmvMcKF6JSKZ1CZsFAvSceI0p0V49T1J2.H6MnDK8Yk33.ySt4L2sLmMiYaNEMxL.ngqisygR0npIqQOWdYelMuZQR3Giib9hJ6qolwQICxc1JsdIbxIPcXKxdXTlVzsdYtvKp_cowT5S.axZRCM7zRw- X-Received: from [72.70.227.85] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:05:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:05:06 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1234882402.2835.85545.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <362967.83606.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=0HxU4N9yCfz6KVpWfFQzlOAjcq9boIpaXarnnrWVp773fVGuJgHT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Let me get this straight. You have never ridden the ride and you are suggesting it be demolished? < You got that straight as an arrow. The year after SoB opened, I spent two days at the park and the ride never operated. They kept running the trains around but wouldn't let anyone on. So that was a strike against it right there. But everyone I know -- and I mean *everyone* -- who has ridden it (people whose opinion I respect) have had next to nothing good to say about the ride and encouraged me to avoid it. The only thing they said was good was the loop. But the rest of the ride sucked, extremely rough and unexciting. Now the loop is gone, so all that's left is a giant wooden jackhammer. To me, it was obvious from the beginning. Too many people forget John Allen's edict of keeping wood coaster heights below 120 feet. (Intamin's engineered wood coasters are a notable exception.) Standard wood coasters simply can't take the stress. Perhaps if Intamin had built SoB, it would have been done right. As it stands, it's probably Werner Stengel's (and KI's) biggest folly. I like the idea of building the world's largest bonfire with SoB. Throw Mean Streak in there as well to be certain to break the record. Jay, who normally loves wood coasters From lance@screamscape.com Tue Feb 17 18:33:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91433 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 02:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 02:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com) (67.199.146.24) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 02:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZcFt-000142-Ty for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:33:46 -0800 Message-ID: <9FCDB469E780429BA579FB03B6CE847A@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:33:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 67.199.146.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=3UK0I-qPeHL6NEaeF66BQ6BY07KDPa5pt3biQ-Wmz3nacu_a5ack_Wtk3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>And there is the dilemma... Why does everyone like Batman so much? Because it's small, compact, and has a lot of forces. Certainly not something you are going to get with the "tallest fastest" anything. Busch tried it with Montu and Alpengiest, and what do I hear from enthusiasts? How horrible and forceless and pointless both of those rides are. << Okay, I think that's the first time I've ever heard anyone referr to Montu or Alpengeist as being forceless or pointless... which I just can't fathom since those are arguably the most intense B&M Inverted coasters I've been on. Montu was hands down the best in the world for years until they added a trim here and beefed up the mid-course brake run several years ago. Last time I was there the mid-course was back to it's old good level of minimal braking, but the extra trim was still in effect. While I prefer Montu over Alpengeist... Alpengeist is the more intense of the two. To this day, unless I'm in the front, the ride is complete chaos... I still find it hard to memorize the layout because you always seem to be flipping and turning in every direction at once. At night, the experience is amplified even more when you no longer have a horizon to fix on. Now what I'd like to see someone build someday is a Hyper Inverted... no loops... lots of airtime and intense ground fly-bys. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 18:55:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29028 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 02:55:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 02:55:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.226] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 02:55:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:55:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9FCDB469E780429BA579FB03B6CE847A@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=d35LuiobQrt6zyJ7TSZY9l3G-4j4fP5AIT8Cz29NbSD5Fe0idA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > Now what I'd like to see someone build someday is a Hyper Inverted...=20 no=20 > loops... lots of > airtime and intense ground fly-bys. > Amen to the Alpengeist comments. That's one intense invert. Now, what I'd like to see is a Dragster/Kingda Ka clone with an=20 INVERTING tophat.=20 :D Chris From lance@screamscape.com Tue Feb 17 19:07:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13937 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com) (67.199.146.24) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZcm5-00014x-UL for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:07:02 -0800 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 67.199.146.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=S_bbYzfEkZ6IdfWGUM60rqSFMlaxHCeEAtoDWAFhMygb98xKOvpdRwW54g X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Now, what I'd like to see is a Dragster/Kingda Ka clone with an INVERTING tophat. It's called Mr. Freeze... but it's more like a Junior version of what you want. ;-) From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Feb 17 19:42:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35758 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 03:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 03:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 03:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 03:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 03:42:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:42:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <362967.83606.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=UfoLpqduTjRnVGGFuyB3hnS7Zu4vJenEsAg-3W3vnIk X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj If you really love wooden roller coaster I would ask you to reconsider. Wi= thout the loop=20 the cars are lighter and the ride is totally different. Just this summer I had a person (female) who was had heard the same things = you had that=20 is was a terrible ride. I said I didn't think so, I suggested we ride it i= n the front. She said=20 okay. We got off and she wanted to ride it again in the back. It is not as smooth as the Racer or the American Eagle but it is much smoot= her then the=20 Boss and the Mean Streak. (Mean Streak is such I pretty ride too. The tra= ck runs through=20 the structure in a most pleasing way. To bad it wants to kill you.) My la= st ride on Blue=20 Streak was rougher then my last ride on the Son of Beast. I also think both it and the Beast get rougher with water. They seem to be= smoother in=20 the cool dry air of October then the wet air of April or May.=20=20 It is up to you but seriously folk have changed there minds about this one = after a good ride=20 or two in the new configuration. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > > Let me get this straight. You have never ridden the ride and you are s= uggesting it be=20 demolished? < >=20 > You got that straight as an arrow. The year after SoB opened, I spent tw= o days at the=20 park and the ride never operated. They kept running the trains around but = wouldn't let=20 anyone on. So that was a strike against it right there. But everyone I kn= ow -- and I mean=20 *everyone* -- who has ridden it (people whose opinion I respect) have had n= ext to nothing=20 good to say about the ride and encouraged me to avoid it. The only thing t= hey said was=20 good was the loop. But the rest of the ride sucked, extremely rough and un= exciting. Now=20 the loop is gone, so all that's left is a giant wooden jackhammer. >=20 > To me, it was obvious from the beginning. Too many people forget John Al= len's edict of=20 keeping wood coaster heights below 120 feet. (Intamin's engineered wood co= asters are a=20 notable exception.) Standard wood coasters simply can't take the stress. = Perhaps if=20 Intamin had built SoB, it would have been done right. As it stands, it's p= robably Werner=20 Stengel's (and KI's) biggest folly. >=20 > I like the idea of building the world's largest bonfire with SoB. Throw = Mean Streak in=20 there as well to be certain to break the record. >=20 > Jay, who normally loves wood coasters > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Feb 17 19:54:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88895 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 03:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 03:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 03:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 03:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 03:54:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:54:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <499AB5A0.604@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=xj85LdgRkxZwxJqd3SnM9YZH1jrIV3MoMLPs7IrReAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Jon Osborn wrote: >=20 > > Let me get this straight. You have never ridden the ride and you are=20 > > suggesting it be > > demolished? >=20 > I have ridden SOB, and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they=20 > ripped it to shreds and tried instead to set a new world record with it-= =20 > for the world's largest bonfire. >=20 > And while the list has been quiet lately, I'm not sure that pitching a=20 > fit over a foot was necessarily something worth getting all "hyped"=20 > about. It's a foot difference- so what?? The park is marketing it. So= =20 > what? That's what parks do to get people to come in the gate. I'm=20 > guessing you would have pitched a fit as well if it had been 30 feet=20 > shorter than SOB? >=20 > NEWS FLASH: Coasters have to have some sort of height. That height may=20 > or may not be dramatically different in comparison to other coasters in=20 > the park or in nearby or faraway parks. Those coasters may or may not=20 > be marketed according to their heighth or length. Not everything is the= =20 > same. Welcome to life and please, find something real to complain=20 > about. :) >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > Heres the big deal. Cedar Fair claims the height of the coaster is 230 ft = and then doesn't=20 point out that the height of the Son of Beast is 218 ft. Just says that it= is taller then the=20 other coasters in the park (not technically false...). However, to a perso= n when tell them=20 that the drops on the two rides are only one foot different. Well first th= ey say "no way"=20 then I document it. Then they loose trust in the company.=20=20 So I am in a situation where if I tell the truth, people will loose trust i= n one of my "home"=20 parks. Because most people think liars suck and they think clever liars ar= e evil. And I think that is a big deal. From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Feb 17 19:57:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66069 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 03:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 03:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 03:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 03:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 03:57:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:57:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0902170537h3376e56fq84647b72f6888898@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=yBEnFGm36-_NdExn8aT4X2Y6CIN8KZE8UGjJJ_qgbOM X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrot= e: > > "People miss leading people (particularly the ignorant public) just makes= me > mad." >=20 > It is called marketing. I think Cedar Fair probably thought touting > Diamondback's superlatives would go over better with the local market th= an > basing a marketing program around the fact that it was shorter than MF. >=20 > Adam >=20 Holiday World markets. They don't have to tell half-truths. The idea that= one should accept=20 miss leading (if technically correct) ads as "just marketing" is simply doi= ng nothing while evil=20 prospers. I can't be a party to it. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 20:09:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17588 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 04:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 04:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f165.google.com) (209.85.217.165) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 04:09:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f165.google.com with SMTP id 9so4942778gxk.16 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:09:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.15.10 with SMTP id i10mr1354050iba.56.1234930184965; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:09:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <165816ef0902170537h3376e56fq84647b72f6888898@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:09:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0902172009k4d60f0c2u30d14a15fb096563@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=znBnvDEVrb22_177K4jfcPS-fbpUuQEeVQhHHOpjufpVPbU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska What is misleading about it (and by the way, leading is not an unmarried young lady...it's a compound word)? They state the facts. The facts about other rides in the park have absolutely no baring on this ride and how it is marketed. Sone of beast is a big wooden twister. Diamondback is a big steel out and back. If anything, diamondback is ripping off more of the racer than it is son of beast. And when comparing the heights of the two rides, why would you even bring up the fact that the drop is only one foot taller? If the drop was shorter, I guess maybe you would have a point, but that's not what they are even marketing. You're just bringing up other, unrelated facts to muddle peoples opinions of a not-even-opened-yet ride. To most people not in the enthusiast community that just makes you a know-it-all-ass, and most of us (well me at least) learned that most friends do not give a crap about any of that. You're either the best fake account troll this list has ever seen, or someone I'd really rather not spend time with in person. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy > wrote: >> >> "People miss leading people (particularly the ignorant public) just makes >> me >> mad." >> >> It is called marketing. I think Cedar Fair probably thought touting >> Diamondback's superlatives would go over better with the local market than >> basing a marketing program around the fact that it was shorter than MF. >> >> Adam >> > Holiday World markets. They don't have to tell half-truths. The idea that > one should accept > miss leading (if technically correct) ads as "just marketing" is simply > doing nothing while evil > prospers. > > I can't be a party to it. > > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Feb 17 20:27:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81894 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 04:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 04:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 04:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 04:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 04:27:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:27:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=gFmt8QkcgZe5yKP0So9M_-DsJNkz-cmMxuuPL6HSbQ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj > Yup, I said it. Now that the Flyers are gone, and Cedar Point has=20 > Max Air, there is no reason for us to drive 3+1/2 hours to Kings=20 > Island. If we're gonna drive 3 hours to a park, It's gonna be=20 > Kennywood.=20 >=20 > But wait... this is the best part of my post, right here... >=20 > We haven't been to KI in 4 years and the only reason we will go this=20 > year is for Diamondback. So there you go... Kings Island's new ride=20 > worked at bringing back customers. And an enthusiast nonetheless. > Well it is the best part of your post but only because you just made my poi= nt.=20=20 The people who think Kings Island is great think it is great because it has= things like The=20 Beast and FoF and Vortex. In the region you are not going to get that comb= ination of a=20 legendary woodie, six inversion and a launched coaster. Most of the other = rides are pretty=20 good to but lets stay focused.=20=20 So now there putting in one,(a "hyper coaster" another meaningless inside b= aseball term=20 by the way) and now you are going to come once to ride it. Are you really= going to come=20 back just to ride that one coaster again? You are going to drive past the = living fossil=20 record of "hyper coasters" (Gemini, Magnum, MF and TTD) to ride this one. = No you are=20 not. So you are going to come once. That is not really going to change a= nything is it? I suppose if it is the "best one" and gets the hype that Superman Ride of S= teel gets then it=20 might really do something for the park. I don't see how it can. Honestly,= I hope it doesn't.=20=20 I want a Renegade like "woodie" or a super cyclone copy at the park next an= d if this thing=20 does well some accountant somewhere might think another on at the park woul= d be good. Kings Island has a niche and this coaster play counter to the niche (as you= , yourself=20 pointed out) long run it will either fail or Kings Island will quit servin= g the niche. On top=20 of that the Cedar Fair marketing machine is with one foot of out right lyin= g about the thing=20 and that just makes it seem that much more wrong. Most folk on this board think "hyper coasters" are a "good thing." I get a = lot of "why=20 bothers" when I describe tube track coaster with no inversions, so just bec= ause you don't=20 like the niche doesn't mean in the grand scheme of things it is a good thin= g that the niche=20 provider vary from the niche. From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Feb 17 21:06:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9987 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 05:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 05:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 05:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 05:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.95] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 05:06:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:06:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0902172009k4d60f0c2u30d14a15fb096563@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=kpXW6Z7f9VuQDWE_glaXvzLxp9LWwWevuQXUn5PzSOc X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > What is misleading about it=20 I have clocked the SoB at over 80 mph with my gps. Which may or may not be= a good=20 number but you asked. WIth a half of a percent difference in the potential energy between the two= rides; there will=20 simply be days when Diamond Back is slower then SoB. If the top speed of the coaster is important then that fact should be state= d. If it is not then=20 don't tell me Diamond Back is faster. Like I said. Holiday World has become respected and doesn't ever do this k= ind of stuff. In=20 fact the before Kings Island was bought the park itself only mentioned reco= rds in print.=20=20 Now every time I ride the Beast I get to here how long the track is. An of= ten the slip and=20 say it is the longest in the Western Hemisphere.=20=20 > And when comparing the heights of the two rides, why would you even > bring up the fact that the drop is only one foot taller?=20 Why would you discuss the height to begin with? The High Roller was by for = the "tallest"=20 coaster there ever was right? The rcdb lists it at a whopping 30 miles per= hour. Drop is=20 the more important of the two. > If the drop > was shorter, I guess maybe you would have a point, but that's not what > they are even marketing. You're just bringing up other, unrelated > facts to muddle peoples opinions of a not-even-opened-yet ride.=20=20 One more time: It is not about the ride it is about the park. The ride do= esn't fit with the=20 park. The only thing it gave the park was speed which really doesn't give.= (I suppose you=20 could say it gives it "smoothness" but I think you are grasping). Starbuck's serving Big Mac would be wrong. Just like this is wrong. >To > most people not in the enthusiast community that just makes you a > know-it-all-ass, and most of us (well me at least) learned that most > friends do not give a crap about any of that. I really don't care. ( I was out with a lady friend tonight. It never cam= e up. Maybe I come=20 to a roller coaster group on line to talk about roller coaster.) This is a= group about roller=20 coasters, the details should matter here shouldn't they? If you don't care= about discussing=20 the detail then ignore the post. You can't discredit the detail just by sa= ying you don't=20 think it matters. >=20 > You're either the best fake account troll this list has ever seen, or > someone I'd really rather not spend time with in person. If that is your real opinion then what does it say about your response?=20 From Xcoaster@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 21:31:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84612 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 05:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 05:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f20.google.com) (209.85.221.20) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 05:31:22 -0000 X-Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so5634420qyk.10 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:31:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.32.74 with SMTP id b10mr6082626qad.104.1234935081857; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:31:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <362967.83606.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:31:21 -0800 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=3DsLDosTCRqJUQZ6FOfFPJTcDx3phSsQHvkCweRtdv2qCjYYd2km1DY X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > On 2/17/09, Jon Osborn wrote: > If you really love wooden roller coaster I would ask you to reconsider. > Without the loop > the cars are lighter and the ride is totally different. > > Just this summer I had a person (female) who was had heard the same things > you had that > is was a terrible ride. I said I didn't think so, I suggested we ride it in > the front. She said > okay. We got off and she wanted to ride it again in the back. I rode SoB for my first time this summer. I expected it to be bad, so I took a cautious first ride in the front seat, but shortly after leaving the station my hopes were dashed (it did some pre-lift stuff), and upon pulling back in I had a new least favorite wooden coaster (and I'm one of those who sort-of liked Psyclone). It was extremely rough and I had a nasty headache the rest of the day (which was unfortunately further aggravated by The Racer, which was otherwise a pretty fun ride, and The Beast, which was great). It had a few impressive drops, and makes for an impressive photo, but the turns were brutal beyond compare. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a bigger mistake in all of coasterdom. I loathed Hercules for it's lake turn, but SoB is probably a whole order of magnitude worse, with multiple helices taken at too high a speed. It's a bad idea, poorly executed, improperly fixed, and unfortunately still standing. And Diamondback looks like a good fit, though I admittedly fall in with the "B&M hypers are akin to rolling couches" crowd. But they're still fun. Oh, and here's a simple quote from Einstein that I read today, which I feel is relevant given the comparing of coasters based primarily on their measured forces, how much energy they expend, and so on: "Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted." -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 23:29:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11020 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 07:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 07:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 07:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 07:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 07:29:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:29:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=qqWW8luUj84exuQ1_K2wkzJ50A67F9ErHNP45LGqZSp0oAhisQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > >>Now, what I'd like to see is a Dragster/Kingda Ka clone with an > INVERTING tophat. >=20 >=20 > It's called Mr. Freeze... but it's more like a Junior version of what=20 you=20 > want. ;-) I know Mr. Freeze (which is an awesome ride) has an inverted tophat. I=20 just want a 300+ foot tall version.=20 :) Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 00:00:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13514 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 08:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 08:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 08:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 08:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 08:00:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:00:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Q1bzaLBN3CJYjh7ZQBGjB7611XpsCXWCu7Xiz0xS4o7xGvZofA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > blah blah blah, ad nauseum. > ZZZzzz... Gee whiz, am I the only person who sees this as a good thing that Jon=20 has prejudged this coaster to be a horrible, nay EVIL, contribution=20 to Kings Island before it's even conducted a single test lap?=20 Sure, I get the reference to Dick Kinzel as the antichrist, and I=20 loathe almost everything that CF has ever done, too, but if Jon goes=20 and tells all his friends that it's all a terrible lie, and that it's=20 a horrible ride, there might be 3 or 4 less people in line when we go=20 ride it for ourselves! And personally, I'm all for shorter lines on the B&M.=20 :P Chris From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Feb 18 06:44:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41199 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 14:44:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 14:44:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 14:44:36 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1576107yxm.47 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:44:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.138.10 with SMTP id l10mr1333014and.25.1234968275583; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:44:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902180644q277a313erb2faa0e34a109c14@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=PS15d8gT5MenuWTYUErJXoHTQOLs-XoOtaSLlBW9Tr04WoEM9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Not quite the vibe I'm getting, but what I am seeing is someone who has taken a fun-loving hobby that some of us casually enjoy, FAR beyond the limits of what I'd call "enjoyable". While I "get" the things you're analyzing, Jon - I don't think we're quite as die-hard/purist of a crowd as you'd hoped. Couple that with the numerous times I've seen completely valid arguments made against your points, only to have you completely turn around and re-state your point/shut down whatever you don't agree with. You don't happen to have a conservative radio show, and an Oxycontin addiction, do you? ;-) Again, it's cool that you have such passion for your hobby, but I just can't get that involved. (Though I do like some of your graphs, which provide some interesting looks at what's happening.) I don't care if a drop is 1 foot more or less than another coaster, or if the speed varies by a few miles, whatever. It's just entertainment, after all. Josh On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" > wrote: >> blah blah blah, ad nauseum. >> > > ZZZzzz... > > Gee whiz, am I the only person who sees this as a good thing that Jon > has prejudged this coaster to be a horrible, nay EVIL, contribution > to Kings Island before it's even conducted a single test lap? > > Sure, I get the reference to Dick Kinzel as the antichrist, and I > loathe almost everything that CF has ever done, too, but if Jon goes > and tells all his friends that it's all a terrible lie, and that it's > a horrible ride, there might be 3 or 4 less people in line when we go > ride it for ourselves! > > And personally, I'm all for shorter lines on the B&M. > :P > > Chris > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 18 09:40:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47271 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 17:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 17:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 17:39:59 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2765ywr.10 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:39:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.72.139 with SMTP id m11mr1890174vcj.32.1234978798399; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:39:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9FCDB469E780429BA579FB03B6CE847A@ScreamscapeHP> References: <9FCDB469E780429BA579FB03B6CE847A@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:39:58 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KdZJyrAKdskh4ZXYIwUxmPxw55JNeNYNJYstEeO65RFzVBcTuKx00XA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Okay, I think that's the first time I've ever heard anyone referr to Montu > or Alpengeist > as being forceless or pointless... which I just can't fathom since those are > arguably the most > intense B&M Inverted coasters I've been on. I couldn't disagree more. Montu has one single high point (the batwing), which is more often than not killed by the trim. Alpengeist is a snoozefest (aside from the cobra roll). I like both coasters, but they are easily the least forceful of the B&M inverted coasters (along with Raptor). Batman, Fire Dragon, and Top Gun are forceful inverted coasters. The rest are middle-of-the-road to lame. > Now what I'd like to see someone build someday is a Hyper Inverted... no > loops... lots of > airtime and intense ground fly-bys. Why? I can see the appeal of the ground fly-bys, but those trains are just not conducive to airtime. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 18 09:45:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88060 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 17:45:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 17:45:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f157.google.com) (209.85.217.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 17:45:03 -0000 X-Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1so36100gxk.7 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.85.199 with SMTP id p7mr882169vcl.104.1234979102887; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <362967.83606.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:45:02 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LJGupNWWnUGwZp0__fhPdZyzciX7Qi1miteqdvK95PFWfFFvnS3OGJI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It is not as smooth as the Racer or the American Eagle but it is much > smoother then the > Boss and the Mean Streak. Even if SOB was suddenly smooth (which I highly, highly doubt it is), there's still nothing redeeming about the ride. Take away the bumps and jolts and you're left with a boring, oversided wooden coaster that does nothing of interest. The only forces the ride ever had was from the cars bumping their way through the course. The rest of Kings Island's wooden coasters, while obviously better rides, are still rough, poorly maintained, and generally overrated. I actually like the Beast, but let's not pretend that it's some marvel of engineering. The first half is long straight sections alternating with hard magnetic braking. The second half is fantastic, but that gets lost in the slamming back and forth due to poor trackwork. Plus, that's a mere fraction of the entire ride, the rest of which is completely uninteresting and uninspired. As for Racer, there was a time when it was good. That was back when KI maintenance department actually paid attention to it. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 18 09:49:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50253 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 17:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 17:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 17:49:19 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so3893yxh.42 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:49:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.72.74 with SMTP id l10mr1903839vcj.71.1234979358557; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:49:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:49:18 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=meSBcBF2eudZbvCCF3fbbBJPwghIzL0aVktbqek8lrI2h9POPoSdBKw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" > wrote: >> blah blah blah, ad nauseum. >> > > ZZZzzz... Agreed. This is one of the silliest arguments I've ever seen on here. There's nothing about Diamondback that is suddenly "un-Kings-Island-like). There's no rule, law, or guideline that you can't build a coaster with a drop that isa mere foot longer than one of the others in your park. The public will eat this thing up, just like they have every time a park builds a hyper coaster. The ride will quickly be ranked as one of the best steel coasters in the world, as all the other B&M hyper coasters have before. So Kings Island didn't build a wooden coaster. And thank God they didn't, since their last attempt was a miserable, miserable failure and they can't maintain what they already have. I like Kings Island. I will like it even more now. And I'll be one of the many people who visit this park this summer for the first time in several years specifically because of this new ride. Isn't that the point? -Nate (Still laughing at "I won't be party to spreading marketing LIES!!!!11111) From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 10:38:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23833 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 18:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 18:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 18:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 18:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 18:38:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:38:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.19.229.42 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Hard Rock sale approved X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=spZ0HfESnYeM_5gU6dLrc7NCwsDpD7gVIrvw-gW5Rln648LBgxU2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme From Amusement Today: Judge approves sale of Hard Rock Park for $25 million (Feb 16, 2009) The Myrtle Beach Sun News reports that a judge has approved the sale of Har= d Rock Park=20 to FPI MB Entertainment for $25 million. The sale is scheduled to close no = later than 5 p.m.=20 Thursday. Judge Kevin Carey called the price adequate and the process rigor= ous. "Anyone=20 who wanted the opportunity to bid had it," he said. He overruled the object= ion of Coastal=20 Entertainment, which objected to the sale of the park to FPI and bid $25.5 = million. He said=20 the company "comes to the court too little and too late." A lawyer for Coastal Entertainment, Karen Bifferato, said she believed her = client's bid,=20 given time, would have been the better offer. FPI has said it wants to reop= en the park by=20 Memorial Day. It would take about three months to get it ready, including a= dding rides,=20 arranging merchandising and designing new attractions and shows, the compan= y has said=20 in court documents. A lawyer representing Hard Rock International said FPI had agreed to destro= y any Hard=20 Rock-branded merchandise before the park opens if there is no agreement on = extending=20 the license agreement. That would mean that any souvenirs that are out ther= e now are the=20 only ones. From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 11:03:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77488 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 19:03:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 19:03:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 19:03:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75051 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2009 19:03:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uV7OdncVM1ljAeqXhbKMUdjWFdgpSX27F21Bl7cn_u3TOdIEfF3jlrTS8qlxc6O5raBmXOnDLjwZhrKRc2Hd_WOSt6kkjTL3f3KvJmJsGJiWHIiEkJWXc.aoJYHq3cc64pliqiWQ_4TTQfOCJGPmoMO0I4lpHrqgB1i0SMin9hXpReHO4JjhknSV1teYP6V.0zpQ7bTRDNM3Lrc1f65ExgDAK5k04B1SaS.IgZ736hQ- X-Received: from [65.25.60.25] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:03:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:03:49 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <128692.73662.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hard Rock sale approved X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=sSTbqgUkTRp6cuSEUH94OiwWzeaNcbd0iSGMlOHfhv3zai1T_303M0DSRpZCPFC0 X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hopefully they can reach an agreement.=A0 With the proper advertising I thi= nk this park could be very profitable.=A0 If it is a success it could very = easily be the beginning of a major change to Myrtle Beach (think smaller ve= rsion of Orlando).=A0 It could draw other amusement businesses to the area. --- On Wed, 2/18/09, jay_ducharme wrote: From: jay_ducharme Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hard Rock sale approved To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:38 PM From Amusement Today: A lawyer representing Hard Rock International said FPI had agreed to destro= y any Hard Rock-branded merchandise before the park opens if there is no ag= reement on extending the license agreement. That would mean that any souven= irs that are out there now are the only ones. =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 17:18:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71776 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 01:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 01:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 01:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 01:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 01:18:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:18:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=RxsrNb60--lt6RRCLcAIgi3HD2MBf8JiM_e3BDyeGBuOSUb_3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch=20 wrote: > > Now what I'd like to see someone build someday is a Hyper=20 Inverted... no > > loops... lots of > > airtime and intense ground fly-bys. >=20 > Why? I can see the appeal of the ground fly-bys, but those trains are > just not conducive to airtime. >=20 > -Nate > Ride Pyrenees, then come back and tell me that again.=20 Chris From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Feb 18 17:22:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59782 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 01:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 01:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f172.google.com) (209.85.217.172) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 01:22:27 -0000 X-Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so508812gxk.2 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:22:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.72.74 with SMTP id l10mr2107989vcj.71.1235006547307; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:22:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:22:27 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=vdQJ0MttjE6lLuDujVK3JW1FXmFHDy-CnIyvv8Tusm2SvfqctUrs3es X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> Why? I can see the appeal of the ground fly-bys, but those trains are >> just not conducive to airtime. > Ride Pyrenees, then come back and tell me that again. What does Pyrenees have to do with a "hyper-inverted coaster" with lots of airtime? -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Wed Feb 18 19:00:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36400 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 03:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 03:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com) (67.199.146.24) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 03:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZz9O-0001o4-LE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:00:34 -0800 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:00:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 67.199.146.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=vp-9GJfJ2_bco0yktLQdz70c1JvqwfDOjvT1q1i20oXy_Eu3RPOYmSu3_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Now what I'd like to see someone build someday is a Hyper Inverted... no > > loops... lots of > > airtime and intense ground fly-bys. > > Why? I can see the appeal of the ground fly-bys, but those trains are > just not conducive to airtime. > > -Nate > Ride Pyrenees, then come back and tell me that again. Chris --- Plus Fire Dragon has that one nice pop of airtime when it goes over Ice's zero-G roll... I want more. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 20:55:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13936 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 04:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 04:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 04:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 04:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 04:55:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:55:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9FCDB469E780429BA579FB03B6CE847A@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=bmpAo-N1SPob42xOKY-apn4laYEg9tMmOinnmw5R36hGGb0cKQHs X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > Okay, I think that's the first time I've ever heard anyone referr to=20 Montu=20 > or Alpengeist > as being forceless or pointless... >=20 I hope I was not misquoted. I love Montu. It's my 2nd fave invert=20 behind Talon. Alpengiest I don't really care about. > Now what I'd like to see someone build someday is a Hyper Inverted...=20 no=20 > loops... lots of > airtime and intense ground fly-bys. Boring... unless you are in the front row, you won't be able to see=20 anything, making the high speed flyby's pretty much pointless. And=20 airtime in an invert... nah. It's nothing special on the ice dragon.=20=20 You loose that "oh crap I'm gonna fly our of the train" sensation when=20 in an OTSR and an entire steel train structure above you. I heart my Shi-tzu -Brian F. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 21:17:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92558 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 05:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 05:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 05:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 05:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 05:17:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:17:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=Gw3n3WBk8JqR0NI6cdC5bWNxKZUDo7D1eFj4L6qV2_3Jl1ywn92- X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > The people who think Kings Island is great think it is great=20 because it has things like The=20 > Beast and FoF and Vortex. >=20 You are right. KI has a nice, well rounded coaster collection. What=20 is one thing that they are missing? Yup, an airtime machine! Hence,=20 Diamondback. Duh. > I want a Renegade like "woodie" or a super cyclone copy at the park=20 next and if this thing=20 > does well some accountant somewhere might think another on at the=20 park would be good. A super Cyclone copy???? Have you ridden Psyclone? Georgia Cyclone?=20=20 Texas Cyclone? The are all pieces of shit, and thankfully are being=20 torn down one at a time. The only good Cyclone copy I've ridden is=20 Viper at SFGram. One could argue that SOB is a *Super* Super=20 Cyclone. Either way, the park has 3 woodies already and I think the=20 general public would find another one, no matter how good, redudant. > So now there putting in a "hyper coaster" and now you are going to=20 come once to ride it. Are you really going to come=20 > back just to ride that one coaster again? You are going to drive=20 past the living fossil=20 > record of "hyper coasters" (Gemini, Magnum, MF and TTD) to ride=20 this one. No you are=20 > not. So you are going to come once. That is not really going to=20 change anything is it? =20=20 If we like it, we will come at least once a year. Maybe more=20 depending if we meet friends there, etc. We won't have to "drive=20 past" CP, as it's 45 minutes in a different direction for us. Yeah,=20 it's our home park, so of course it's our #1 destination. We go=20 there a lot. You would too if you lived in Cleveland. And that's=20 the point. CP is our "home park" and Kings Island is a "vacation=20 destination."=20 It is going to change something. We will come to the park and spend=20 money. So what if we come once? Most families will only come once.=20=20 It's the attraction of lots of people, one time each, that the park=20 hopes to attract. Sure, they will try to sell you a season pass, but=20 the bread and butter of a park like KI is the "once a summer"=20 families. So yes, our one visit will be positive. =20 > Most folk on this board think "hyper coasters" are a "good thing."=20 I get a lot of "why=20 > bothers" when I describe tube track coaster with no inversions,=20 Yes, I have heard this too. While standing in line for SROS at SFNE=20 and trying to explain to my friend why this ride is so great. He=20 said "it's really tall and doesn't go upside down, so what?" When it=20 was over, he was singing a different tune. I have never seen anyone=20 getting off a B+M hyper that didn't have a great time. Lost sucked tonight, -Brian F. From Xcoaster@gmail.com Wed Feb 18 22:27:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44133 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 06:27:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 06:27:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 06:27:09 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n30so131595elf.11 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:27:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.150.227.14 with SMTP id z14mr641611ybg.219.1235024829067; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:27:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:27:08 -0800 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=cpIc864HHSAhaGVtLGvZMZZ7vmYFuldt1boMKq5orppkiW2MQYe_Tic X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme >> I want a Renegade like "woodie" or a super cyclone copy at the park >> next and if this thing >> does well some accountant somewhere might think another on at the >> park would be good. > > Either way, the park has 3 woodies already and I think the > general public would find another one, no matter how good, redundant. I think you forgot the Fairly Odd Coaster, which makes 4. And if you were desperate, you could use both sides of the Racer for 5, at which point you'd probably have some kind of record for the most wooden coasters in a park, and building yet another one would make even less sense. Granted, they don't have the best quality of wooden coasters around, so another one certainly wouldn't hurt, but you're right that it would be hard to justify. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 19 07:04:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42800 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 15:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 15:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 15:04:11 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so149203yxi.72 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:04:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.46.136 with SMTP id j8mr2163454vcf.72.1235055851089; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:04:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:04:10 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=dWWE2eNlogsZoWrLWtnyyRo8G8TwSwoNisvn0-T4Au1SOpWc_DSoGOc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> Most folk on this board think "hyper coasters" are a "good thing." > I get a lot of "why >> bothers" when I describe tube track coaster with no inversions, > Yes, I have heard this too. Really? Because in my experience, the taller the coaster, the more excited people are to ride it. Hypercoasters consistently have the longest lines in their respective parks (even though they are generally the highest-capacity coasters there). And that's for two reasons - (1) the public eats up anything that's big and fast, and (2) they're solid, high-quality rides that people like to ride again and again. I just can't imagine anyone other than a severely jaded enthusiast complaining about a park adding a very tall ride because it doesn't go upside-down. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 19 07:12:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77638 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 15:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 15:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 15:12:50 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so141813and.29 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:12:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.93.1 with SMTP id t1mr2174338vcm.3.1235056368744; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:12:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:12:48 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=A6be7GACmnZZX1508BlVVScl1T1p1yrv-t55hVDOUR8E0D4ZQzcFATU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Plus Fire Dragon has that one nice pop of airtime when it goes over Ice's > zero-G roll... I want more. Eh...people rave about that moment on Fire Dragon because it's different, and because no other inverted coaster does it. But it's really not that profound of a moment, and that airtime really is not that pronounced. And this coming from someone who really, really loves Fire Dragon. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Feb 19 07:45:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41979 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 15:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 15:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 15:45:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31498 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 15:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Feb 2009 15:45:07 -0000 Message-ID: <499D7E7C.4070606@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:45:00 -0600 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b7 (Windows/2009020812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=mvEzaTgo875dDjrQbWY8MkOtowTfuDI6EpTCFWW3jOB01TVd X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Wasn't there that stat floating around years ago that stated something like a coaster loses 80% of it's audience as soon as it goes upside-down? I don't remember the exact number, but I remember hearing it.. As for air on an invert .. umm why? Inverted coasters are all about acrobatics, positive g, (to be cliched) the feeling of freedom. If you want air, go ride some wood or a hyper. Cameron. Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >>> Most folk on this board think "hyper coasters" are a "good thing." >> I get a lot of "why >>> bothers" when I describe tube track coaster with no inversions, > >> Yes, I have heard this too. > > Really? Because in my experience, the taller the coaster, the more > excited people are to ride it. Hypercoasters consistently have the > longest lines in their respective parks (even though they are > generally the highest-capacity coasters there). And that's for two > reasons - (1) the public eats up anything that's big and fast, and (2) > they're solid, high-quality rides that people like to ride again and > again. > > I just can't imagine anyone other than a severely jaded enthusiast > complaining about a park adding a very tall ride because it doesn't go > upside-down. > > -Nate > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From lance@screamscape.com Thu Feb 19 15:40:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63660 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 23:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 23:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com) (67.199.146.24) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 23:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LaIUp-00052R-4a for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:39:59 -0800 Message-ID: <51D02AF6E78F43818714F5E9B8E74FCD@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:40:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz43.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 67.199.146.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=qjYly6gsLMP-kVkxcaGVqnMPes0cNfVbv3rgQr5brtRRXytmktV7X2XZPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Kohlrusch" To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") >> Plus Fire Dragon has that one nice pop of airtime when it goes over Ice's >> zero-G roll... I want more. > > Eh...people rave about that moment on Fire Dragon because it's > different, and because no other inverted coaster does it. But it's > really not that profound of a moment, and that airtime really is not > that pronounced. That's my point... I take that as a little hint at what an Inverted Hyper could be like if done on purpose, switched to a lap-bar restraint, maybe lean the seats forward so you can see down... but not lying down. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 15:46:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94315 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 23:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 23:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 23:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 23:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 23:46:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:46:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Worlds longest Inverted (Was "Diamondback Rant") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=z1qh82mwC0XSXKQ6C3PooPVV4D0dFQa0l5_qyo_Wy5ECt5yx6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch=20 wrote: > > >> Why? I can see the appeal of the ground fly-bys, but those trains=20 are > >> just not conducive to airtime. >=20 > > Ride Pyrenees, then come back and tell me that again. >=20 > What does Pyrenees have to do with a "hyper-inverted coaster" with > lots of airtime? >=20 > -Nate > Towards the end of its course, Pyrenees has an awesome airtime hill. I=20 guess Walter & Claude forgot they were making an invert and not a=20 hyper. That little surprise is just a part of why Pyrenees ranks in my=20 top ten of over 600 steel coasters. I was just saying that an invert=20 can still have great air.=20 Chris From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Feb 19 18:29:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23920 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 02:29:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 02:29:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 02:29:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 02:29:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 02:29:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:29:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=RHDG0Xcr3ZN3EQ3VYlRLWx0U3rPmNL17xLp61x7RuU8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > >> Most folk on this board think "hyper coasters" are a "good thing." > > I get a lot of "why > >> bothers" when I describe tube track coaster with no inversions, >=20 > > Yes, I have heard this too. >=20 > Really? Because in my experience, the taller the coaster, the more > excited people are to ride it. Hypercoasters consistently have the > longest lines in their respective parks (even though they are > generally the highest-capacity coasters there). And that's for two > reasons - (1) the public eats up anything that's big and fast, and (2) > they're solid, high-quality rides that people like to ride again and > again. >=20 > I just can't imagine anyone other than a severely jaded enthusiast > complaining about a park adding a very tall ride because it doesn't go > upside-down. >=20 > -Nate > Assuming you really want to know the answer to that question. These are the= groups: 1. People who know speed are unimpressed with the type. To a person every = motorcycle=20 rider and skydiver I have ridden coasters with things "so call hypercoaster= s" are lame.=20=20 When you travel for an hour or more at 70+ mph on the back of a bike to get= to the park,=20 going 75 mph for a fraction of a minute at the bottom of the first (or firs= t few) hill(s) is not=20 a thrill.=20=20 2. People who prefer "wooden" coasters. The only reason to build the coas= ter with tube=20 tracks are economics and to reach for "records" which may or may be reachab= le by the=20 new prefab "wood" coasters. 3. People who like high g rides. That pretty well covers it for now. It is enthusiast who have voted SROS "best steel coaster" do they are not a= group to look=20 for descent from. From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Feb 19 18:38:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95510 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 02:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 02:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 02:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 02:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 02:38:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:38:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=MX58DeJnuWxRFA5Pdt23ASYzyFAFBtYtWD4fWev86Ec X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" > > wrote: > >> blah blah blah, ad nauseum. > >> > > > > ZZZzzz... >=20 > Agreed. >=20 > This is one of the silliest arguments I've ever seen on here. There's > nothing about Diamondback that is suddenly "un-Kings-Island-like). > There's no rule, law, or guideline that you can't build a coaster with > a drop that isa mere foot longer than one of the others in your park. > The public will eat this thing up, just like they have every time a > park builds a hyper coaster. The ride will quickly be ranked as one > of the best steel coasters in the world, as all the other B&M hyper > coasters have before. >=20 > So Kings Island didn't build a wooden coaster. And thank God they > didn't, since their last attempt was a miserable, miserable failure > and they can't maintain what they already have. I like Kings Island. > I will like it even more now. >=20 > And I'll be one of the many people who visit this park this summer for > the first time in several years specifically because of this new ride. > Isn't that the point? >=20 > -Nate > (Still laughing at "I won't be party to spreading marketing LIES!!!!11111= ) > You start the post by saying that there is nothing "un-Kings Island like" a= bout the new=20 ride. Then say you will attend the park for the first time in a while, because th= is ride is there. Sounds like the ride changes the "likeness" of the park for you. How did Admiral Kirk put is: I'm laughing at the superior intellect. No for me getting you go come to the park is not the point. From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Feb 19 19:37:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53202 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 03:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 03:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 03:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 03:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 03:37:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:37:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=wT-rNTlRgO6TOw2NsrrWYolOO3GOZGwna_hJRh8Md7s X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = =20 wrote: > > > The people who think Kings Island is great think it is great=20 > because it has things like The=20 > > Beast and FoF and Vortex. >=20 >=20 > You are right. KI has a nice, well rounded coaster collection. What=20 > is one thing that they are missing? Yup, an airtime machine! Hence,=20 > Diamondback. Duh. >=20 I contest your logic on these grounds: I have been finding as much "air ti= me" on wooden=20 coasters as on the "so called hypers." The flavor of the air is different = of course but my=20 research shows that (depending on your definition of air time, for these tw= o examples I=20 will use 0.25g as "airtime" I have taken to calling it "quartertime" in my = notes). Anyway .=20=20 The Racer has virtually the same "airtime" as the Mamba and (you will love = this) the Beast=20 has basically the same "airtime" as Magnum XL-200. So I respectfully disagree with your assumption (Kings Island doesn't have = an airtime=20 coaster), the Racer is an airtime coaster. If you meant something different then forgive my nit picking. > > I want a Renegade like "woodie" or a super cyclone copy at the park=20 > next and if this thing=20 > > does well some accountant somewhere might think another on at the=20 > park would be good. >=20 > A super Cyclone copy???? Have you ridden Psyclone? Georgia Cyclone?=20=20 > Texas Cyclone? The are all pieces of shit, and thankfully are being=20 > torn down one at a time. The only good Cyclone copy I've ridden is=20 > Viper at SFGram. One could argue that SOB is a *Super* Super=20 > Cyclone. Either way, the park has 3 woodies already and I think the=20 > general public would find another one, no matter how good, redudant. Cedar Point has five (eight if you count the "family rides") tube track sit= down coasters that=20 don't invert. So again I respectfully disagree with your assumption. Or are you advocati= ng ripping=20 some of the rides out? As to a "Super Cyclone" the logical log term purpose of the "El Toro" techn= ology is to build=20 "wooden hyper" world record holder. Somebody somewhere thinks it should b= e a Cyclone=20 clone.=20=20 >=20 > > So now there putting in a "hyper coaster" and now you are going to=20 > come once to ride it. Are you really going to come=20 > > back just to ride that one coaster again? You are going to drive=20 > past the living fossil=20 > > record of "hyper coasters" (Gemini, Magnum, MF and TTD) to ride=20 > this one. No you are=20 > > not. So you are going to come once. That is not really going to=20 > change anything is it? >=20=20=20 > If we like it, we will come at least once a year. Maybe more=20 > depending if we meet friends there, etc. We won't have to "drive=20 > past" CP, as it's 45 minutes in a different direction for us. Yeah,=20 > it's our home park, so of course it's our #1 destination. We go=20 > there a lot. You would too if you lived in Cleveland. And that's=20 > the point. CP is our "home park" and Kings Island is a "vacation=20 > destination."=20 >=20 > It is going to change something. We will come to the park and spend=20 > money. So what if we come once? Most families will only come once.=20=20 > It's the attraction of lots of people, one time each, that the park=20 > hopes to attract. Sure, they will try to sell you a season pass, but=20 > the bread and butter of a park like KI is the "once a summer"=20 > families. So yes, our one visit will be positive. >=20=20 This totally ignores my "niche" idea. There are a lot of other niche parks= in the mid-west=20 and if Kings Island becomes "second banana Cedar Point" then they will star= t to look good=20 to lots of people who don't like the original CP. Maybe your right, if so = the "family" section=20 of the park is more important anyway.=20=20 The Racer The Beast The Bat The Vortex Flight of Fear Son of Beast. Those are all landmarks of coaster history (two of them coaster failures) e= xcept for Vortex=20 which was an inversion record holder (maybe a milestone more then a landmar= k) On=20 paper Diamond Back doesn't belong on that list. If Cedar Fair is going to develop the park going forward without seeking ne= w landmarks=20 then the soul of the park died when Paramount sold it.=20 For them to take this non-landmark coaster and market it as sooo much whate= ver than a=20 coaster that it is one foot shorter.... That is the excrement cherry on an big excrement sundae and I don't want to= eat it.=20=20 So maybe the hype over the one foot is not a big deal, unless you see it as= the tip of an=20 iceberg of despair. From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Feb 19 19:47:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7276 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 03:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 03:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 03:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 03:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 03:47:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:47:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Uninspired Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=y2j60dM-2WwFGHO4DEC2IBj2PuuGSeiTs38qzkYzk3I X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > It is not as smooth as the Racer or the American Eagle but it is much > > smoother then the > > Boss and the Mean Streak. >=20 > Even if SOB was suddenly smooth (which I highly, highly doubt it is), > there's still nothing redeeming about the ride. Take away the bumps > and jolts and you're left with a boring, oversided wooden coaster that > does nothing of interest. The only forces the ride ever had was from > the cars bumping their way through the course. >=20 It would be a "hyper coaster" Nate says "hyper coasters" are boring. > The rest of Kings Island's wooden coasters, while obviously better > rides, are still rough, poorly maintained, and generally overrated. I > actually like the Beast, but let's not pretend that it's some marvel > of engineering. The first half is long straight sections alternating > with hard magnetic braking. The second half is fantastic, but that > gets lost in the slamming back and forth due to poor trackwork. Plus, > that's a mere fraction of the entire ride, the rest of which is > completely uninteresting and uninspired. >=20 On the right side of row 18 right (back seat of the ride) I measured 3.5 se= cond of=20 "quartertime" (My word for acceleration ≤ 0.25 gravities). The best = the Magnum XL-200=20 could do was 3.95 seconds in row 14 on the left. If The Beast is uninspired then Magnum is scrap metal. From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Feb 19 20:02:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8999 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 04:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 04:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 04:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 04:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 04:02:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:02:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0902180644q277a313erb2faa0e34a109c14@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=X7I3rcpWBQ5ggT2d1uN-5W_zRlQrMzItY8nZjO2CKO4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > > Not quite the vibe I'm getting, but what I am seeing is someone who > has taken a fun-loving hobby that some of us casually enjoy, FAR > beyond the limits of what I'd call "enjoyable". >=20 > While I "get" the things you're analyzing, Jon - I don't think we're > quite as die-hard/purist of a crowd as you'd hoped. Couple that with > the numerous times I've seen completely valid arguments made against > your points, only to have you completely turn around and re-state your > point/shut down whatever you don't agree with. You don't happen to > have a conservative radio show, and an Oxycontin addiction, do you? > ;-) >=20 > Again, it's cool that you have such passion for your hobby, but I just > can't get that involved. (Though I do like some of your graphs, which > provide some interesting looks at what's happening.) I don't care if a > drop is 1 foot more or less than another coaster, or if the speed > varies by a few miles, whatever. It's just entertainment, after all. >=20 > Josh Thanks for the post. I am not passionate about coasters I am passionate about physics. Physics is truth. If there is a God he may or may not have said "You shall= not kill"=20 depending on your beliefs of course. Whatever God did create the universe = DID day "Force=20 shall equal mass times acceleration (for constant mass)." That is why misleading and encouraging ignorance about physics does what it= does. I just=20 should be allowed to try Cedar Fair execs for Physics Heresy. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Feb 19 20:02:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4582 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 04:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 04:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.238) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 04:02:41 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so778477rvf.55 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:02:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.89.13 with SMTP id m13mr179499wfb.50.1235102561803; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:02:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:02:41 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902192002p17155f8ft5b2eeabab1cde09e@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Uninspired Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=tBmIBsT-xJXtprzPBjovDHzYHwx22SbQmrMHnqOTYv7yD66MTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I have a suggestion for you, Jon. If coasters are so "boring" to you, why don't you just stop riding them? The world has changed, and there are new technologies and ride types, other than wood. I realize you are a "purist", and I'm starting to gather that you may be one of those types that thinks steel roller coasters aren't really roller coasters at all, merely mundane "rides". That's fine with me if that's your line of thought, but this is Roller-Coaster talk, where we talk about roller coasters in every form, and not just "flat tracks". Look, I may not be some die hard/hardcore enthusiast, but I do have fun going to amusement parks and doing stuff they have to offer. I will GLADLY spend my time at Disney before any other amusement park in the country, because that's what I enjoy. Accuse me all you want of never experiencing "speed" or "high G's", but I think at one time having a car that consistently did 11.3 sec in the 1/4 mile, utilizing a 525 HP big block has to count for something. Oh, and 75 MPH for an extended time? try 120. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch > wrote: >> >> > It is not as smooth as the Racer or the American Eagle but it is much >> > smoother then the >> > Boss and the Mean Streak. >> >> Even if SOB was suddenly smooth (which I highly, highly doubt it is), >> there's still nothing redeeming about the ride. Take away the bumps >> and jolts and you're left with a boring, oversided wooden coaster that >> does nothing of interest. The only forces the ride ever had was from >> the cars bumping their way through the course. >> > It would be a "hyper coaster" Nate says "hyper coasters" are boring. > >> The rest of Kings Island's wooden coasters, while obviously better >> rides, are still rough, poorly maintained, and generally overrated. I >> actually like the Beast, but let's not pretend that it's some marvel >> of engineering. The first half is long straight sections alternating >> with hard magnetic braking. The second half is fantastic, but that >> gets lost in the slamming back and forth due to poor trackwork. Plus, >> that's a mere fraction of the entire ride, the rest of which is >> completely uninteresting and uninspired. >> > On the right side of row 18 right (back seat of the ride) I measured 3.5 > second of > "quartertime" (My word for acceleration ≤ 0.25 gravities). The best > the Magnum XL-200 > could do was 3.95 seconds in row 14 on the left. > > If The Beast is uninspired then Magnum is scrap metal. > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Feb 19 20:34:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13368 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 04:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 04:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.168) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 04:34:09 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so929388wfa.4 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:34:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.174.8 with SMTP id w8mr194772wfe.61.1235104449378; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:34:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0902180644q277a313erb2faa0e34a109c14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902192034i74b0639ej319ec6da504d2b6c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=lH2rGfKKJ3mNDxoWEu13fDR7-xPFbl8YSa5UZRyEZ3CaGdlqWA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny You sure are passionate about physics. There's got to be something out there that offers a more "true to the data" experience than coasters. I don't mean to come across as a d-bag, but although the numbers don't lie - I'm curious as to why the feelings seem to. You say the Beast has a much airtime as Magnum, but Magnum's so much more abrupt. Unless, of course, you count the bumps all along the course of the Beast. :) Racer, an airtime machine? ehh.. it's OK, but I've never really been lifted out of my seat. I'd really like to see data on Maverick, though. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Jon Osborn wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: >> >> Not quite the vibe I'm getting, but what I am seeing is someone who >> has taken a fun-loving hobby that some of us casually enjoy, FAR >> beyond the limits of what I'd call "enjoyable". >> >> While I "get" the things you're analyzing, Jon - I don't think we're >> quite as die-hard/purist of a crowd as you'd hoped. Couple that with >> the numerous times I've seen completely valid arguments made against >> your points, only to have you completely turn around and re-state your >> point/shut down whatever you don't agree with. You don't happen to >> have a conservative radio show, and an Oxycontin addiction, do you? >> ;-) >> >> Again, it's cool that you have such passion for your hobby, but I just >> can't get that involved. (Though I do like some of your graphs, which >> provide some interesting looks at what's happening.) I don't care if a >> drop is 1 foot more or less than another coaster, or if the speed >> varies by a few miles, whatever. It's just entertainment, after all. >> >> Josh > Thanks for the post. > > I am not passionate about coasters I am passionate about physics. > > Physics is truth. If there is a God he may or may not have said "You shall > not kill" > depending on your beliefs of course. Whatever God did create the universe > DID day "Force > shall equal mass times acceleration (for constant mass)." > > That is why misleading and encouraging ignorance about physics does what it > does. I just > should be allowed to try Cedar Fair execs for Physics Heresy. > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 19 20:39:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65904 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 04:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 04:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 04:39:41 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n30so379895elf.23 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:39:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.86.149 with SMTP id s21mr37006vcl.90.1235104780715; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:39:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:39:40 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=gmz5VQ9R986fwbcBvvFRiQqvPQv9Zt86fYICFvW7qGvw29yj9-c7Ggw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > You start the post by saying that there is nothing "un-Kings Island like" > about the new > ride. > > Then say you will attend the park for the first time in a while, because > this ride is there. > > Sounds like the ride changes the "likeness" of the park for you. You're trying to make a comparison that isn't there. Diamondback makes me want to attend the park because it's something new and interesting and something I know I'll like. That doesn't mean it's "un-Kings Island-like." Maverick was certainly not "un-Cedar Point-like", but it got me to visit this past summer. It's apples to oranges. > No for me getting you go come to the park is not the point. Good thing you're not running the place! -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Feb 19 20:46:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43718 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 04:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 04:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f168.google.com) (209.85.217.168) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 04:46:01 -0000 X-Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so5577019gxk.15 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:46:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.72.11 with SMTP id k11mr37939vcj.81.1235105160563; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:46:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:46:00 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Uninspired Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=vFyMHG4d1rDCrXGk60QiK3-1rELRGe0ZtnfrlHR18Lv7LT8Q92_juAs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> Even if SOB was suddenly smooth (which I highly, highly doubt it is), >> there's still nothing redeeming about the ride. Take away the bumps >> and jolts and you're left with a boring, oversided wooden coaster that >> does nothing of interest. The only forces the ride ever had was from >> the cars bumping their way through the course. > It would be a "hyper coaster" Nate says "hyper coasters" are boring. I have no idea what you're talking about. > On the right side of row 18 right (back seat of the ride) I measured 3.5 > second of > "quartertime" (My word for acceleration ≤ 0.25 gravities). The best > the Magnum XL-200 > could do was 3.95 seconds in row 14 on the left. The first half is still a shitty ride. And so is Magnum, so what's your point? -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 21:56:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76691 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 05:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 05:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 05:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 05:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 05:55:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:55:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=40iQIPj2FUMviRHXMQSJ2WC9AfEydE2V_vkd_V36pYEDS54CCA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 wrote: > It is enthusiast who have voted SROS "best steel coaster" do they are=20 not a group to look=20 > for descent from. > I'm sorry, Jon, but if you expect anyone to take your opinions=20 seriously, you've got to work on creating sentences that actually can=20 be understood.=20 WTH was this supposed to mean? I keep rereading it, but it isn't=20 communicating your intent successfully.=20 Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 22:02:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3809 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 06:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 06:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 06:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 06:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 06:02:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:02:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0902192002p17155f8ft5b2eeabab1cde09e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Uninspired Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=S9JU-MgrRmtzvNIO8fwdjOmEHYHrkEXKXt1sbZLx3YAm5H86gg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > Accuse me all you want of never experiencing "speed" or "high G's", > but I think at one time having a car that consistently did 11.3 sec in > the 1/4 mile, utilizing a 525 HP big block has to count for something. > Oh, and 75 MPH for an extended time? try 120. I did 145 for over 5 minutes in Montana before I learned that they had=20 repealed the 'No Daytime Speed Limit' law.=20 THAT was fun.=20 Chris From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Feb 19 22:55:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90980 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 06:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 06:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 06:55:43 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so868393wfa.11 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:55:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.141.21 with SMTP id o21mr254299wfd.33.1235112943552; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:55:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0902192002p17155f8ft5b2eeabab1cde09e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:55:43 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902192255y6c59747aw8f8da8f5821a0b3f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Uninspired Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ltjdkC3FjvwBN3apq6n23BYVwR3NOQwXGsnVgRaTyuyeLeUFHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Ahahahaha. Amazing. On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: >> Accuse me all you want of never experiencing "speed" or "high G's", >> but I think at one time having a car that consistently did 11.3 sec in >> the 1/4 mile, utilizing a 525 HP big block has to count for something. >> Oh, and 75 MPH for an extended time? try 120. > > I did 145 for over 5 minutes in Montana before I learned that they had > repealed the 'No Daytime Speed Limit' law. > > THAT was fun. > > Chris > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 04:10:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86531 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 12:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 12:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 12:10:15 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LaUCs-0000cq-NC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:10:14 -0500 Message-ID: <499E9DA3.4030802@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:10:11 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a4fd1fa977412082ac4e5dd3e28df86a7c148ff696ae7f78350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=oiWM1Encrayvo_m_j9dgpwNbjtQ1YXJTwh_Cx-reFqK8NDY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ok Jon, I'm going to say enough already and ask you to stop. Enough trolling, enough insipidness, enough picking fights just for the sake of picking them. You can excuse it however you want, but the inaneness of several of the last replies is just overboard. Jon Osborn wrote: > > I am not passionate about coasters I am passionate about physics. Then you're in the wrong place. Go talk physics on a scientific board. We're here about coasters and parks- and much of that is about perception, experience, and opinion. Obviously you don't like that because you're confused about one major thing- you think that your opinions are the "truth" and that everyone else is wrong. Well, I can say one thing- I think most of everyone else is sick of hearing your opinions because of how you present them. > > Physics is truth. If there is a God he may or may not have said "You > shall not kill" > depending on your beliefs of course. Whatever God did create the > universe DID day "Force > shall equal mass times acceleration (for constant mass)." And here's what I mean- first, don't bring God into it because I and several others on this list can shoot you down and make holes in your argument very apparent faster than you can say Big Bang. But this isn't the time, nor is this the place for it. Second, your perception and feelings about physics is NOT the truth, it's your opinion. And many of us disagree with your outlandish opinions and haughty attitude. Enough. Take them elsewhere. > > That is why misleading and encouraging ignorance about physics does what > it does. I just > should be allowed to try Cedar Fair execs for Physics Heresy. > And we should try you for ignorance, slander, false advertising, etc, etc. Seriously, stop it already. George From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Feb 20 09:39:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78517 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 17:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 17:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 17:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 17:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 17:39:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:39:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0902192255y6c59747aw8f8da8f5821a0b3f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.184.110.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Uninspired Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=r6Jk0khs5P-SoFmRHtSAWDVo0TJ_kkI8GJ4hy0llvoXLCMTdqMjNO-iPZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W =20 wrote: > > Ahahahaha. Amazing. >=20 > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Chris wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W =20 wrote: > >> Accuse me all you want of never experiencing "speed" or "high=20 G's", > >> but I think at one time having a car that consistently did 11.3=20 sec in > >> the 1/4 mile, utilizing a 525 HP big block has to count for=20 something. > >> Oh, and 75 MPH for an extended time? try 120. > > > > I did 145 for over 5 minutes in Montana before I learned that=20 they had > > repealed the 'No Daytime Speed Limit' law. > > > > THAT was fun. > > > > Chris > > i once did 200mph. on foot. for 3 1/2 days straight. intense, yo. sorry, we were having a 7th grade pissing match, right?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Feb 20 09:40:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40417 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 17:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 17:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 17:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 17:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 17:40:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:40:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.184.110.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Son of Beast and Diamond Back (Rant) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=XCSLbMQ791Pq499xZ8ioRTTCJqEItQKDarF7AIlkpL_gl15Ao0XBt40mCA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" =20 > wrote: > > It is enthusiast who have voted SROS "best steel coaster" do they=20 are=20 > not a group to look=20 > > for descent from. > > >=20 > I'm sorry, Jon, but if you expect anyone to take your opinions=20 > seriously, you've got to work on creating sentences that actually=20 can=20 > be understood.=20 >=20 > WTH was this supposed to mean? I keep rereading it, but it isn't=20 > communicating your intent successfully.=20 >=20 > Chris > apparently proper english isnt a requirement for advanced physics.=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 16:58:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40043 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 00:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 00:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 00:58:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27840 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2009 00:58:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xZDlS_QVM1mcSkMHVR_84XWTTR880e3ibIH_cXeZaxUo.6KZmiAjRyEL88N6XVPVgnOLuatV7pMKdAphJckSHhSix6t9BcYff_EP27XyMMk2oxOjoMN23eA8R1OpTxm85Mp5izd1D2xSvgfBRCsEVnaUIekmiTUDWDwBh.r0wlLVlsI- X-Received: from [72.70.248.135] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:58:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:58:21 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1235140068.3239.51083.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <219661.21694.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Uninspired Beast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ELB9RT-5I4rg2qwK6jPoCijFyPdWZy8YDB0lWKgxGONM4nA72I8F X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'm sitting back enjoying the debate. It's quite entertaining. Like him or not, Jon has at least gotten a lot of people talking in what had become a fairly quiet group. I can sort of see Jon's point about physics. I love mechanical and structural engineering. To me, a well-designed coaster achieves a mastery in both of those disciplines. It's also a bonus that, unlike Ron Toomer, I enjoy riding coasters as well. I don't have a degree in engineering and I don't intend to get one. So I try to stay focused on my enjoyment of the ride experience, my impression of the ride's aesthetics and my awe of the ride's engineering. That keeps me happy. :-) Jay From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 12:06:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11122 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 20:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 20:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 20:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2009 20:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2009 20:06:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:06:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.130.188.190 From: "bri_man2007" Subject: Off Topic: Please don't ban me! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=iTqmck2erLKOe3dsN4y5BxJoQrWDY5uc36umZgXWJBc3Xcb0uNo X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 I have been a member of this site for some time. And, I have recently come into a situation that has me desperate to do anything I can to work it out. I hoping for anything! I was recently let go from a job that I have had for 15 years. And, I will have no income. It is a very drastic change for me. My anual income for the last several years has been right around $23,000.00. So, to go from that to Zero is a big change. I love going to amusement parks. I went to Cedar Point, and Michigan's Adventure last summer. But, I have been to many parks all over the midwest, as well as two parks in Canada. (PCW and La Ronde) My favorite Wooden coaster is Shivering Timbers at Michigan's Adventure. Anyways, I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me out with a donation. I am not asking for a lot. But, if everyone on this site were to send me just $1.00 I might make through next month. I have a web page in the links section, that has been there for quite some time. It's called Brian's place, under personal websites. Only two coaster pics there now, but, I'm working on it. I also have Thunderhawk photos and ST pics in the photo galleries. Anyways. I hope you won't think I am spamming the site. I don't mean to. I just have no choice. I have to do something. Thanks for reading. Brian From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Feb 23 16:40:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71987 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 00:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 00:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 00:40:08 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so776133qwf.44 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:40:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.95.16 with SMTP id b16mr1750931qcn.33.1235436008301; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:40:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:40:08 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902231640u46b746a4o6e56b36735ac43cf@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Please don't ban me! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=wRR3krkZNjyc3Rj0vgjzJ9MBarIDhs6Z3IyXYEBy118_YQk2gA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I see you posted this over at Coasterbuzz, too. Takes some serious cojones, man... Is there a reason you can't file for unemployment? On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM, bri_man2007 wrote: > I have been a member of this site for some time. And, I have recently > come into a situation that has me desperate to do anything I can to > work it out. I hoping for anything! > > I was recently let go from a job that I have had for 15 years. And, I > will have no income. It is a very drastic change for me. My anual > income for the last several years has been right around $23,000.00. > So, to go from that to Zero is a big change. > > I love going to amusement parks. I went to Cedar Point, and Michigan's > Adventure last summer. But, I have been to many parks all over the > midwest, as well as two parks in Canada. (PCW and La Ronde) My > favorite Wooden coaster is Shivering Timbers at Michigan's Adventure. > > Anyways, I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me out with > a donation. I am not asking for a lot. But, if everyone on this site > were to send me just $1.00 I might make through next month. > > I have a web page in the links section, that has been there for quite > some time. It's called Brian's place, under personal websites. Only > two coaster pics there now, but, I'm working on it. > > I also have Thunderhawk photos and ST pics in the photo galleries. > > Anyways. I hope you won't think I am spamming the site. I don't mean > to. I just have no choice. I have to do something. > > Thanks for reading. > > Brian > > From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 19:13:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62585 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 03:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 03:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62204.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 03:13:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92445 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2009 03:13:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FNNnAAIVM1nMQeeRijwOyNzDWANWbBQGQ4cEWtNLnzcvhiU0gA.CrBEdk1A0v0JwctLo_mb1e2HenDnQM6WVGgeRycjrSIBtVPmxdDfv0ubFMh3g_0ZWZe0SVaMnJ2PJI8pz5PYS7r12iPrpjuKSbabDvMkKGhX_mwGjFLvc7Vqwmj0g1F7kXqKUO2pJJl4Nl2sHPt5VQIk_ZpdGGkBszxeKts29CjbC X-Received: from [172.129.114.234] by web62204.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:13:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:13:16 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0902231640u46b746a4o6e56b36735ac43cf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <862319.91946.qm@web62204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Please don't ban me! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=QhviX0Mp8q5WQF3XtE_vZbs32vAB7126bzhruvLhrHYvJL5Ceeg X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am very sorry you feel that way, but, I understand. One of the reasons wh= y I made sure that I mentioned it was off topic, and tried to explain that = I was only doing it because I am desperate. VERY desperate.=A0I have never = had to do this=A0before. =A0 And, to answer your question about unemployment. Yes I applied, and, I have= waited and waited for over a month for my checks. And, after calling the u= nemployment office over 200 times in the last two weeks, and never getting = anything but a recorded message, I did finally talk to an actual person. (I= called the fraud hotline, and got right through!) =A0 I talked to two different people, and I have been told that I may not get u= nemployment at all. There is a debate between them and my former employer, about wether= I am eligable to receive benefits. I was told that I have to write a forma= l letter, and mail it to my local unemployment office, and they will re-consider my case. Otherwise I get not= hing. =A0 That just really ticks me off. I have worked for the last 20 years straight= . I have never had to file for unemployment. It's all very strange to me, a= nd the most unfriendly government agency I have ever had to work with. Thin= k getting your drivers liscence is bad, try dealing with these people...lik= e talking at a box of unsympathetic rocks. =A0 Anyways. I really didn't want to ruin my reputation at Coaster Buzz, or at = Yahoo. I am a very nice guy, I have never hurt anyone, and, debated with my= self over placing my shame for everyone to see. But, when you are at risk o= f losing everything. You do what you have to do. I'll stand out on the stre= et and beg if I have to. =A0 I certainly hope that my responce helped. I don't want anyone to think that= I am doing this for the heck of it. It is a very important situation, a ve= ry sad one, but it needs to be done. --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Josh W wrote: From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Please don't ban me! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 7:40 PM I see you posted this over at Coasterbuzz, too. Takes some serious cojones, man... Is there a reason you can't file for unemployment? On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM, bri_man2007 wrote= : > I have been a member of this site for some time. And, I have recently > come into a situation that has me desperate to do anything I can to > work it out. I hoping for anything! > > I was recently let go from a job that I have had for 15 years. And, I > will have no income. It is a very drastic change for me. My anual > income for the last several years has been right around $23,000.00. > So, to go from that to Zero is a big change. > > I love going to amusement parks. I went to Cedar Point, and Michigan's > Adventure last summer. But, I have been to many parks all over the > midwest, as well as two parks in Canada. (PCW and La Ronde) My > favorite Wooden coaster is Shivering Timbers at Michigan's Adventure. > > Anyways, I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me out with > a donation. I am not asking for a lot. But, if everyone on this site > were to send me just $1.00 I might make through next month. > > I have a web page in the links section, that has been there for quite > some time. It's called Brian's place, under personal websites. Only > two coaster pics there now, but, I'm working on it. > > I also have Thunderhawk photos and ST pics in the photo galleries. > > Anyways. I hope you won't think I am spamming the site. I don't mean > to. I just have no choice. I have to do something. > > Thanks for reading. > > Brian > >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Feb 23 20:19:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35412 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 04:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 04:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 04:19:16 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so800508qwi.53 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:19:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.110.6 with SMTP id l6mr1757717qcp.52.1235449155726; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:19:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <862319.91946.qm@web62204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <76e1ec0a0902231640u46b746a4o6e56b36735ac43cf@mail.gmail.com> <862319.91946.qm@web62204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902232019x3c2aee8g545f13e42d2fc5c7@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Please don't ban me! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=7ZqB4eojsmO1azag8_gQx9bbUQuZqOxczOEFDq8kD7cCj1-jkw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny What state do you live in? I wonder if you're in one of the lucky ones that's run out of unemployment funds. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Brian McFeely wro= te: > I am very sorry you feel that way, but, I understand. One of the reasons = why > I made sure that I mentioned it was off topic, and tried to explain that = I > was only doing it because I am desperate. VERY desperate.=A0I have never = had > to do this=A0before. > > And, to answer your question about unemployment. Yes I applied, and, I ha= ve > waited and waited for over a month for my checks. And, after calling the > unemployment office over 200 times in the last two weeks, and never getti= ng > anything but a recorded message, I did finally talk to an actual person. = (I > called the fraud hotline, and got right through!) > > I talked to two different people, and I have been told that I may not get > unemployment > at all. There is a debate between them and my former employer, about weth= er > I am eligable to receive benefits. I was told that I have to write a form= al > letter, and mail it to my local > unemployment office, and they will re-consider my case. Otherwise I get > nothing. > > That just really ticks me off. I have worked for the last 20 years straig= ht. > I have never had to file for unemployment. It's all very strange to me, a= nd > the most unfriendly government agency I have ever had to work with. Think > getting your drivers liscence is bad, try dealing with these people...lik= e > talking at a box of unsympathetic rocks. > > Anyways. I really didn't want to ruin my reputation at Coaster Buzz, or a= t > Yahoo. I am a very nice guy, I have never hurt anyone, and, debated with > myself over placing my shame for everyone to see. But, when you are at ri= sk > of losing everything. You do what you have to do. I'll stand out on the > street and beg if I have to. > > I certainly hope that my responce helped. I don't want anyone to think th= at > I am doing this for the heck of it. It is a very important situation, a v= ery > sad one, but it needs to be done. > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Josh W wrote: > > From: Josh W > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Please don't ban me! > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 7:40 PM > > I see you posted this over at Coasterbuzz, too. Takes some serious > cojones, man... > > Is there a reason you can't file for unemployment? > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM, bri_man2007 wro= te: >> I have been a member of this site for some time. And, I have recently >> come into a situation that has me desperate to do anything I can to >> work it out. I hoping for anything! >> >> I was recently let go from a job that I have had for 15 years. And, I >> will have no income. It is a very drastic change for me. My anual >> income for the last several years has been right around $23,000.00. >> So, to go from that to Zero is a big change. >> >> I love going to amusement parks. I went to Cedar Point, and Michigan's >> Adventure last summer. But, I have been to many parks all over the >> midwest, as well as two parks in Canada. (PCW and La Ronde) My >> favorite Wooden coaster is Shivering Timbers at Michigan's Adventure. >> >> Anyways, I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me out with >> a donation. I am not asking for a lot. But, if everyone on this site >> were to send me just $1.00 I might make through next month. >> >> I have a web page in the links section, that has been there for quite >> some time. It's called Brian's place, under personal websites. Only >> two coaster pics there now, but, I'm working on it. >> >> I also have Thunderhawk photos and ST pics in the photo galleries. >> >> Anyways. I hope you won't think I am spamming the site. I don't mean >> to. I just have no choice. I have to do something. >> >> Thanks for reading. >> >> Brian >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 07:50:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7710 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 15:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 15:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62206.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 15:49:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36390 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2009 15:49:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B_iYasgVM1nX58pcA1JyGu2uVCNgSXzqlP2x4xFsYclzTFMdeFU4jnn33oojJJLwaMUJqTObiqB9P.U4pb8HottmgPUn2SkyNLNq_DDSkgOot8eSPhvaDJ21X34bCm4YIDccpCKeZtl1RQ1ksFNr67X7hFDPPTKHzqECrInOakPuDe_25WykvCH3cOE3SAyNswTV8Dv9xMaoieyvdqgZWf0c_d6FBo5ovytRYfD4O9Tdf6dymnMDwoHumaNrCtHO_FSp9Er.YtBThUwTGUvcdpNdQt5lVc07 X-Received: from [172.166.37.251] by web62206.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:49:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:49:58 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0902232019x3c2aee8g545f13e42d2fc5c7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <304630.35276.qm@web62206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Please don't ban me! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=b0dWSJ4pzdDKadn5V0ibVpkQeek1OAGGE0TNg6wu-tBVc-C_jvw X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I live in Michigan. I'm about 45 miles from Michigan's Adventure. In Grand = Rapids. Yes, are economy here is very bad, mainly because of the auto indus= try closing down so many factories, while they receive billions from the go= vernment. I guess another 45,000 will lose their jobs from GM as well. =A0 Now if I was Obama, I would say, Here's the deal. We are going to give you = the extra 25 billion you asked for. but there are conditionions. You are go= ing to re-open all the factories you closed, and rehire all the people that= you fired. And your corporate execs are going to take a 50 percent pay cut= . No reason why any person doing any job should make that much money a year= . $7,000,000.00! plus benefits? That's their problem. So, yes. i'm not the only one with my hand out. Someone making $7.000,000.0= 0 a year is asking for money too. So, I guess I shouldn't feel bad. At leas= t I will use the money for basic needs. they'll probaly just buy themselves= another boat. --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Josh W wrote: From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Please don't ban me! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:19 PM What state do you live in? I wonder if you're in one of the lucky ones that's run out of unemployment funds. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Brian McFeely wr= ote: > I am very sorry you feel that way, but, I understand. One of the reasons = why > I made sure that I mentioned it was off topic, and tried to explain that = I > was only doing it because I am desperate. VERY desperate.=A0I have never = had > to do this=A0before. > > And, to answer your question about unemployment. Yes I applied, and, I ha= ve > waited and waited for over a month for my checks. And, after calling the > unemployment office over 200 times in the last two weeks, and never getti= ng > anything but a recorded message, I did finally talk to an actual person. = (I > called the fraud hotline, and got right through!) > > I talked to two different people, and I have been told that I may not get > unemployment > at all. There is a debate between them and my former employer, about weth= er > I am eligable to receive benefits. I was told that I have to write a form= al > letter, and mail it to my local > unemployment office, and they will re-consider my case. Otherwise I get > nothing. > > That just really ticks me off. I have worked for the last 20 years straig= ht. > I have never had to file for unemployment. It's all very strange to me, a= nd > the most unfriendly government agency I have ever had to work with. Think > getting your drivers liscence is bad, try dealing with these people...lik= e > talking at a box of unsympathetic rocks. > > Anyways. I really didn't want to ruin my reputation at Coaster Buzz, or a= t > Yahoo. I am a very nice guy, I have never hurt anyone, and, debated with > myself over placing my shame for everyone to see. But, when you are at ri= sk > of losing everything. You do what you have to do. I'll stand out on the > street and beg if I have to. > > I certainly hope that my responce helped. I don't want anyone to think th= at > I am doing this for the heck of it. It is a very important situation, a v= ery > sad one, but it needs to be done. > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Josh W wrote: > > From: Josh W > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Off Topic: Please don't ban me! > To: RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 7:40 PM > > I see you posted this over at Coasterbuzz, too. Takes some serious > cojones, man... > > Is there a reason you can't file for unemployment? > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM, bri_man2007 wro= te: >> I have been a member of this site for some time. And, I have recently >> come into a situation that has me desperate to do anything I can to >> work it out. I hoping for anything! >> >> I was recently let go from a job that I have had for 15 years. And, I >> will have no income. It is a very drastic change for me. My anual >> income for the last several years has been right around $23,000.00. >> So, to go from that to Zero is a big change. >> >> I love going to amusement parks. I went to Cedar Point, and Michigan's >> Adventure last summer. But, I have been to many parks all over the >> midwest, as well as two parks in Canada. (PCW and La Ronde) My >> favorite Wooden coaster is Shivering Timbers at Michigan's Adventure. >> >> Anyways, I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me out with >> a donation. I am not asking for a lot. But, if everyone on this site >> were to send me just $1.00 I might make through next month. >> >> I have a web page in the links section, that has been there for quite >> some time. It's called Brian's place, under personal websites. Only >> two coaster pics there now, but, I'm working on it. >> >> I also have Thunderhawk photos and ST pics in the photo galleries. >> >> Anyways. I hope you won't think I am spamming the site. I don't mean >> to. I just have no choice. I have to do something. >> >> Thanks for reading. >> >> Brian >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 18:37:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32984 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 02:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 02:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 02:37:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8365 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2009 02:37:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FMB.RT4VM1nQF2i6P_TFBrnW42SxxWGphRkWDcicJ1zgADBvBv3YD0Cxc_D8PlGnDZ2HT5CdLNxPGSst1issSZyJ5Zwz1PhwbUeTXkjar.YGauOaprkbnQiHgrzoaLS4uVcGEY9aGlhqU9HTOx5mHlveFjFhd3ye3bJ6a9c8lrx1rvU- X-Received: from [72.79.199.181] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:37:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:37:22 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1235485955.3208.58168.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <995377.6703.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=jpcVLfbflxK_bYHFl4F0U8XUGbbepokqrp43OcUNid6dQBSXFEsp X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Well, to tide you over temporarily, you might try working at an amusement park for the summer. Hiring has already begun around my area. Regardless of the economy, the parks need workers. Jay From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 13:11:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62316 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 21:11:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 21:11:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.1) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 21:11:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32724 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2009 21:11:42 -0000 Message-ID: <308975.32720.qm@web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7rKqW_oVM1k1f5fxeBpHPqNFJL.YEQ8AxqO.2gtr5XswazOWE0s3RDgfEIIv_77boMxsnbMHo.9uxDHtb2yqvNisL9KZn9DcXd2sJSa0L.8eWpeImnZ8cSkh7YVsm9VB.nn.SrlniCSZTQA4oR3M1ZK4O1jM4Z7GPZ1rw5k2nFaC59.SD5kEfq4j4PE8LJW7hq7lfdGk_RsXRMhyGZNIkdddtYLtOsLziIvOAbLwU9Kw X-Received: from [172.167.8.190] by web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:11:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:11:41 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <995377.6703.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=3WzNJcxrcpuGDpJYFrONdZdrgWu-Fg8lWNoTv7O4whM1Sps1y64 X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I often thought of working at an amusement park, and was actually hired man= y years ago to work at Disneyland in California. But, I had no way to get t= here, so I had to cancell. =A0 I would love to work at a park, but, the sun and I are not good friends. I = could not spend an entire day working outdoors. just visiting a park for a = few hours gives me an instant sun burn. (I'm a red head) I also heard that = parks don't pay jack to their employees. not much more than minimum wage, a= nd onlly part time. =A0 I=A0could not afford to relocate. Plus, I have a partner that lives with me= . What would he do for rent and bills while I'm gone? If there was not so m= uch riding on my future, and I had no commitments here. I would certainly w= ork at a park. Cedar Point would be my first pick, or the Disney parks.=20 =A0 I recently talked to=A0a guy online who has worked for both Disney and Six = Flags. And, he says that Disney is the worst to work for, because they are = very strict. He says he liked working for Six Flags. never asked him which = one he worked for. But, He said he really enjoyed working there. I'm thinki= ng it was Geauga Lake. Because he live in Columbus. =A0 I'm an artist, I'm sure if I was trained, I could do characture art on the = midways. For Tips! That is something I am looking into. --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Jay Ducharme wrote: From: Jay Ducharme Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:37 PM Well, to tide you over temporarily, you might try working at an amusement p= ark for the summer. Hiring has already begun around my area. Regardless of = the economy, the parks need workers. Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 14:08:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67974 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 22:08:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 22:08:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f176.google.com) (209.85.217.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 22:08:08 -0000 X-Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so2079125gxk.19 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:08:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.81.140 with SMTP id x12mr1714031qck.35.1235686088279; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:08:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <308975.32720.qm@web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <995377.6703.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <308975.32720.qm@web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:08:08 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0902261408q349f2b32u7b589ceee86eb2e0@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=1t3zS7vVpScClD7jkyo0v8530PsELcNzaGFei5CwllqXAq2TEw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Here's my take on this - like it or not. I also heard that > parks don't pay jack to their employees. not much more than minimum wage, > and onlly part time. That still puts you in a position to be making more than $0 at this point. I do understand that you don't want to stack jobs on your resume, but an amusement park isn't going to hinder your upcoming career moves. > I=A0could not afford to relocate. Plus, I have a partner that lives with = me. > What would he do for rent and bills while I'm gone? If there was not so m= uch > riding on my future, and I had no commitments here. I would certainly wor= k > at a park. Same scenario again, you'd be able to contribute more than you are right no= w. I'm not saying I disagree with you, as it's not the ideal situation and I'd probably have the same feelings toward it that you do. I have a wife and animals at home that I have to take care of, but sometimes you have to find ways to survive. Obviously, I'm not against unemployment and seeking help like some folks are, in fact I'm all for it when people need help getting back on their feet. I just like to play devil's advocate and look at both sides of the coin. Josh From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 14:32:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4722 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 22:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 22:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.7) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 22:31:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19923 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2009 22:31:55 -0000 Message-ID: <93158.18815.qm@web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8ejdGQgVM1lJkl8FMyzrWRNumwfm7.W6Z.IWfIgeiuH.8LdJbbUJogAqyQJLYopDM.wKiKjrOM0QDj8YRB4kOt.Dbb6RS6S1.K0zuzGHjc9wxJUjkx1ta4.9B3fo_7G3UzlaPoGV8yn1eWdzDZTKZf6VHn8hbgJAAJQcuAefE1D_uUMmEBhfbQ2N6DrkVhdH55_knroCWJa6tn577Q9N3b_K X-Received: from [172.167.8.190] by web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:31:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:31:55 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0902261408q349f2b32u7b589ceee86eb2e0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=bE987lIuU1MxObJrd8tKuQ_0unyH0eu511Zi3A8-FxparpOWZd8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Josh; =A0 The only possible Amusement park I could work at near my home is Michigan's= Adventure, which does not open until the middle of May. It's a 45 mile tri= p, one way from my home. I would spend more money on Gas driving back and forth to the park each wee= k, than I would make that week. It wouldn't be worth it. Don't you think I = thought of it? =A0 You are talking to someone who has worked all his life. I made $23,000.00 a= year for 15 years. I worked full time, and drove=A030 miles back and forth= to work every day. Tues through Saturday, and, I have only been out of wor= k since January. I paid the rent, and all the bills for years, while I care= d for my partner who is a heart attack/stroke survivor. =A0 =A0 You guys talk about me like I am some kind of mooch. Don't you think I woul= d rush out and get a job if I thought it would cover my bills? I could bare= ly make it on $13.00 an hour at full time. No job I could get today would e= ver even come close to that. My monthly expenses are well over $1000.00. Re= nt, Car payment, insurance, credit cards, cell phone.=20 =A0 And, asking for donations on this site is not the only thing I am doing. I = am also a writer. So, I am on the web looking for magazines to submit my wr= ting to. I am also looking into selling products. Checking into Amway, and,= I have also been in contact with several agencies hoping to get help with my rent. =A0 If I could get just $6,000.00 I would be set on rent for the entire year. I= am thinking of everything, and not excluding anything. I am an intelligent= hard worker. I started working when I was 20, and this is the first time I= have been unemployed in 23 years! =A0 So, don't treat me like I'm a bum. =A0 This is the reason why so many people are homeless in this country. because= nobody takes time to think where those pepole came from. And nobody cares. . --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Josh W wrote: From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:08 PM Here's my take on this - like it or not. I also heard that > parks don't pay jack to their employees. not much more than minimum wage, > and onlly part time. That still puts you in a position to be making more than $0 at this point. I do understand that you don't want to stack jobs on your resume, but an amusement park isn't going to hinder your upcoming career moves. > I=A0could not afford to relocate. Plus, I have a partner that lives with = me. > What would he do for rent and bills while I'm gone? If there was not so m= uch > riding on my future, and I had no commitments here. I would certainly wor= k > at a park. Same scenario again, you'd be able to contribute more than you are right no= w. I'm not saying I disagree with you, as it's not the ideal situation and I'd probably have the same feelings toward it that you do. I have a wife and animals at home that I have to take care of, but sometimes you have to find ways to survive. Obviously, I'm not against unemployment and seeking help like some folks are, in fact I'm all for it when people need help getting back on their feet. I just like to play devil's advocate and look at both sides of the coin. Josh =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 16:57:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92520 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 00:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 00:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 00:57:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 777 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2009 00:57:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qyHBJbIVM1kIcVU6k27oS29Rd3cIzor8rRFLtWn1KWLqtC289G2d_IwiNx1wDVJpMYI1FcUTKrwGTWwilq0e1KJq9Miun3utk4saT2Nc9fQ98OZRHR9rsuMjNTEGZeDp2aoVV_MPvzGtrx4NIbmAHBTx5frPxLPugkfiHp3U_oG2S7U- X-Received: from [72.79.199.181] by web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:57:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:57:25 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1235688073.378.38917.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <728821.352.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=N31fbKIPBxtgNg5_gvs19W2cP-VndZbfsR6J8FeDjZ-XBrOlGPin X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I like your idea of being a caricature artist. Also, remember that you don't necessarily have to work outside. One of my girls wasn't big on that either, so she worked in merchandise. Another possibility might be if you could get a more permanent job as a sign painter or staff artist on a park maintenance department. At least then it might tide you over longer, as opposed to being strictly seasonal. It's a tough predicament. And yes, 45 miles one way is a bit of a chore, especially when you probably wouldn't get back to your home until the wee hours. Of course, you could always run for political office. There never seems to be a shortage of cash for elected officials.... :-/ Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 19:44:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10563 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 03:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 03:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 03:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 03:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 03:44:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:44:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <93158.18815.qm@web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=mphbk_Af2WbluVetK_IJkFhnDKS7FTaZXsUH03h4K1h3l4rQsw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Brian McFeely=20 wrote: > The only possible Amusement park I could work at near my home is=20 Michigan's Adventure, which does not open until the middle of May.=20 It's a 45 mile trip, one way from my home. > I would spend more money on Gas driving back and forth to the park=20 each week, than I would make that week. It wouldn't be worth it.=20 Don't you think I thought of it? > =A0 > You are talking to someone who has worked all his life. I made=20 $23,000.00 a year for 15 years. I worked full time, and drove=A030=20 miles back and forth to work every day. Tues through Saturday, and, I=20 have only been out of work since January. I paid the rent, and all=20 the bills for years, while I cared for my partner who is a heart=20 attack/stroke survivor. =A0 > =A0 > You guys talk about me like I am some kind of mooch. Don't you=20 think I would rush out and get a job if I thought it would cover my=20 bills? I could barely make it on $13.00 an hour at full time. No job=20 I could get today would ever even come close to that. My monthly=20 expenses are well over $1000.00. Rent, Car payment, insurance, credit=20 cards, cell phone.=20 > =A0 > And, asking for donations on this site is not the only thing I am=20 doing. I am also a writer. So, I am on the web looking for magazines=20 to submit my wrting to. I am also looking into selling products.=20 Checking into Amway, and, I have also been in contact with several > agencies hoping to get help with my rent. > =A0 > If I could get just $6,000.00 I would be set on rent for the entire=20 year. I am thinking of everything, and not excluding anything. I am=20 an intelligent hard worker. I started working when I was 20, and this=20 is the first time I have been unemployed in 23 years! > =A0 > So, don't treat me like I'm a bum. > =A0 > This is the reason why so many people are homeless in this country.=20 because nobody takes time to think where those pepole came from. And=20 nobody cares. > . I was homeless for 6 months.=20 I joined the Navy so I could stop living in an abandoned car.=20 Turn off the cell phone. Cut up the credit cards. Turn off the=20 internet. Consider moving away from a state where the unemployment is=20 so high that they deny people the assistance they deserve. Take a=20 part time job at Taco Bell, or KMart, I worked at both simultaneously=20 while I was homeless. Minimize expenses. I ate two meals a day or=20 less for 6 months, at least one of which was free at my job.=20 Most of what I hear is 'poor me', but not a lot of what you are doing=20 to move beyond the situation and improve your chances of getting past=20 a rough time.=20 I don't intend to sound callous, but I never asked anyone for a=20 handout. I scoured the ground for loose change to get a cheeseburger=20 at McDonald's so I could eat when I didn't have those jobs.=20 If you can't get a job to cover your expenses, reduce your expenses=20 to what a lower paying job WILL cover.=20 There are always options.=20 Chris From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 19:33:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14310 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 03:33:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 03:33:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62204.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 03:33:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14284 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2009 03:33:07 -0000 Message-ID: <999951.13895.qm@web62204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RgcOSMUVM1lCYhAExNFZB6ad17kz3vTJkKKuEE5gJLtpADf49m2e4unSGQuwarcIWNU0P6TKSf5_JO6aVA0dYrKVQ2F7kynPZqHod.rUVBAPZoCoGnvFLW4qgrv5nYl0RD_EDQQkTEagzxQnhSG5hZcV1ND8q2FEy8kaNRHQzo9Ncq.K5tUvCJajqCNQxd9lPSdbKbZja0ZCjEyvh7auO8U8fvNVKs_NbGIO1YGQwIqQCfEVIbnLZfE25Rggbv2.dH6ppoBTelkd5HPuV0dd X-Received: from [172.163.122.42] by web62204.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:33:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:33:06 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <728821.352.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=EojcQnUm2LAi8dsJDeraYm6NUs-ZGmnj7FPDsUehvhSxiDz6rAU X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boy that's a good responce. I certainly would like to run for office. The f= irst thing I would do is tell the banks and GM that they can forget about t= heir bailout! =A0 The Banks and GM are part of americas growing problems. The Automakers don'= t want to lower the prices on their cars, even though they would sell more = cars if they did. And the banks don't want to stop gouging every sent they = can get out of americans pockets, yet they don't want to give decent people= loans, with out charging them huge interest rates. =A0 If I were Obama, I would tell they banks. Hey enough of the overdraft fees,= and the high interest credit cards. If you give your customers some slack,= and stop ripping them off at every chance you get. Maybe you wouldn'e be i= n debt. =A0 And the bank debt isn'r real. It's all what is owed to them on paper, a lot= of it is unpaid fees, and charges that they themselves charge people, not = what people actually owe. If they said to they banks, eliminate this bullcr= ap. Go with your interest rate, if people get behind let them cath up. They= are only making peoples credit problems worse, by justifying fee-ing the c= rap out of us. For example.=20 =A0 I was $1.35 over my credit limit. I was charged a $30.00 overdraft fee at 3= 3% interest, plus an additional $30.00 for being a couple days late with my= payment. So, my account is suddenly overdrawn by $66.35 because their char= ges over drew my account. And, this is happening to millions of people ever= y day. You add that up, and of course they are going to say they are $66.00= 0.000 in debt. But, it is debt that they create. Not what people are actual= ly spending. Eliminate those practices, and no more $66,000,000. Debt. =A0 As for art thing. I could do that. But, I'm sure they have enough professio= nal skilled artists in the ranks to do that type of work. And, I would assu= me they want someone with a good educational background. Which is something= I can't offer. I am barely a highschool graduate. I received my G.E.D. aft= er dropping out of highschool at the tenth grade level. =A0 That's along story. But, I did get my G.E.D in only 4 weeks. So, I basicall= y snubbed out 2 extra years of highscool in a month. Which, when I was 18 was great. =A0 Another thing I might do is look into massage thereapy. Something I can eve= ntually do out of my house. But, don't really want to do a long drag out co= urse. If I can get a liscence to do that in less than a year. I probably would. =A0 Sorry this is so long. =A0 --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Jay Ducharme wrote: From: Jay Ducharme Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 7:57 PM I like your idea of being a caricature artist. Also, remember that you don'= t necessarily have to work outside. One of my girls wasn't big on that eith= er, so she worked in merchandise. Another possibility might be if you could= get a more permanent job as a sign painter or staff artist on a park maint= enance department. At least then it might tide you over longer, as opposed = to being strictly seasonal. It's a tough predicament. And yes, 45 miles one way is a bit of a chore, es= pecially when you probably wouldn't get back to your home until the wee hou= rs. Of course, you could always run for political office. There never seems to = be a shortage of cash for elected officials... . :-/ Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 20:03:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91721 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 04:03:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 04:03:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 04:03:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39190 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2009 04:03:52 -0000 Message-ID: <488840.38650.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: IYe5sZIVM1nRrjJVvPus1xqFxSSmCd7lU.QKTKQr5OUBZHa6WqQV8ToEO9ubDOwxccLvvFaWGWwzgKYGyy8CUtTsnftmPxU_RIbuQermUaGnMUKa_jcny._8fhOUuhPnehzIjoesjgOk2Z7k_r1D3ib0m7gC5be64J4MZuZ1dmrnqy.hoTuI6qoo81XK39Su3gjtQ4bES7TwXCndLKOa8Q53XOrufLDKVv6j5qdTYoooLwMB.6M5jZ03Ki.8uQi5T8tXwfJsn62AL2HQL07D X-Received: from [172.163.122.42] by web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:03:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:03:52 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=7p2BaFHZofhJ18ZyzVlOy3vZYqm5LNe296752N42OA0KPeH16Eg X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So Chris; =A0 Basically what your telling me, is I should be homeless and work at Taco be= ll? Rather than doing everything I can to save what I already have? Which is so= mething I am not ready to do. I will fight to save everything I have. =A0 I'm also very sorry to hear that you were homeless. We actually had a guy w= orking at our store full time, who lived in his car out in the parking lot.= Not because he couldn't afford to rent and apartment, he was out there, be= cause he didn't want to pay for one. =A0 He lived in his car, worked every day, and eventually ended up with $40,000= .00 in savings. But, he was also very strange. nice guy, but, he could not=A0ha= ndle=A0living with people. Some guys took him in at their apartment in the = winter to get him out of his car, and threw him out after a month, because = he never paid his share of the rent, and, was a total slob,=A0even though h= e was loaded!=A0 =A0 At any rate. I am not the only one asking for money online. If you want a t= rue eye openning experience about the nature of people of begging for money online,= go to Donatemoney2me.com. You won't believe the things that people are requesting= money for. Some of it is just plain stupid, while there are people like me, who are on= the verge of homelessness, who are getting nothing. =A0 I would ask for money at Donatemoney2me, but, I can't afford to pay the mon= thly fee to put in a request. Check it out. =A0 Then you will see. I am not absolutely horrible. =A0 Brian =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:44 PM --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, Brian McFeely=20 wrote: > The only possible Amusement park I could work at near my home is=20 Michigan's Adventure, which does not open until the middle of May.=20 It's a 45 mile trip, one way from my home. > I would spend more money on Gas driving back and forth to the park=20 each week, than I would make that week. It wouldn't be worth it.=20 Don't you think I thought of it? > =A0 > You are talking to someone who has worked all his life. I made=20 $23,000.00 a year for 15 years. I worked full time, and drove=A030=20 miles back and forth to work every day. Tues through Saturday, and, I=20 have only been out of work since January. I paid the rent, and all=20 the bills for years, while I cared for my partner who is a heart=20 attack/stroke survivor. =A0 > =A0 > You guys talk about me like I am some kind of mooch. Don't you=20 think I would rush out and get a job if I thought it would cover my=20 bills? I could barely make it on $13.00 an hour at full time. No job=20 I could get today would ever even come close to that. My monthly=20 expenses are well over $1000.00. Rent, Car payment, insurance, credit=20 cards, cell phone.=20 > =A0 > And, asking for donations on this site is not the only thing I am=20 doing. I am also a writer. So, I am on the web looking for magazines=20 to submit my wrting to. I am also looking into selling products.=20 Checking into Amway, and, I have also been in contact with several > agencies hoping to get help with my rent. > =A0 > If I could get just $6,000.00 I would be set on rent for the entire=20 year. I am thinking of everything, and not excluding anything. I am=20 an intelligent hard worker. I started working when I was 20, and this=20 is the first time I have been unemployed in 23 years! > =A0 > So, don't treat me like I'm a bum. > =A0 > This is the reason why so many people are homeless in this country.=20 because nobody takes time to think where those pepole came from. And=20 nobody cares. > . I was homeless for 6 months.=20 I joined the Navy so I could stop living in an abandoned car.=20 Turn off the cell phone. Cut up the credit cards. Turn off the=20 internet. Consider moving away from a state where the unemployment is=20 so high that they deny people the assistance they deserve. Take a=20 part time job at Taco Bell, or KMart, I worked at both simultaneously=20 while I was homeless. Minimize expenses. I ate two meals a day or=20 less for 6 months, at least one of which was free at my job.=20 Most of what I hear is 'poor me', but not a lot of what you are doing=20 to move beyond the situation and improve your chances of getting past=20 a rough time.=20 I don't intend to sound callous, but I never asked anyone for a=20 handout. I scoured the ground for loose change to get a cheeseburger=20 at McDonald's so I could eat when I didn't have those jobs.=20 If you can't get a job to cover your expenses, reduce your expenses=20 to what a lower paying job WILL cover.=20 There are always options.=20 Chris =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Feb 27 20:27:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3016 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 04:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 04:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.238) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 04:27:10 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l9so1560905rvb.17 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.59.4 with SMTP id m4mr1497421wak.37.1235795230443; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:27:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from JoshLaptop (rrcs-96-11-124-131.central.biz.rr.com [96.11.124.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z20sm8652878pod.12.2009.02.27.20.27.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:27:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002401c9995c$d1fe8890$6e7a10ac@JoshLaptop> To: References: <488840.38650.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:27:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Josh Wozny" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=LPUzylXpnkkdo39G9v3YcU93eAAENDOhDgSMLjUB4mz3io-MLw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is just getting ridiculous man. "Doing everything you can to save everything you have" - by posting on here and Coasterbuzz asking for donations? Give me a break. I understand your situation, I've been laid off before - but all that did was give me the drive to find something better. It took me almost 8 months, but I worked in retail that whole time (at Abercrombie and Fitch, one of the lowest paying retail jobs out there), and still got by. I was only 23 when that happened, and now at 27, I'm married, have all kinds of toys, spend at least one week of the year at Disney, and I'm making almost double what I was then, because I chose to better myself. Times still get tough for me, but I just push through it. And why do you have to be homeless to work at Taco Bell? If you put enough hours in there, you can make damn sure your rent is paid. If I lost my job right now, the first thing I would do is cancel my cable, netflix, gym membership, tanning and any other non-necessary monthly expenses that I had - those "bills" you're talking about probably include something along those lines. #2, I would avoid the season passes and park tickets until I got back on my feet - something it seems you may not be willing to part with, but in the grand scheme of things... it's probably a good idea. If you think we're being hard on you, maybe you should call Dave Ramsey or Chris Kidd (both have written highly successful books about managing your money) - cause they'll tear you a new one. Don't look at me like I'm some kind of anti-helping out kind of guy, I'm 100% in support of everything on that side of the fence - some would call me a "liberal" and think it's an insult. :facepalm:, but dude. As an "impartial" 3rd party, who is just trying to help you out, I'm seeing you start to get VERY defensive when offered any suggestions. Point being, losing your job is a LIFE CHANGING event, if only temporary, yet it seems you haven't been willing to change the right things that are needed in order to keep your current lifestyle intact once the dust settles Look at me getting all wise and grown up.. :-D. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian McFeely To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me So Chris; Basically what your telling me, is I should be homeless and work at Taco bell? Rather than doing everything I can to save what I already have? Which is something I am not ready to do. I will fight to save everything I have. I'm also very sorry to hear that you were homeless. We actually had a guy working at our store full time, who lived in his car out in the parking lot. Not because he couldn't afford to rent and apartment, he was out there, because he didn't want to pay for one. He lived in his car, worked every day, and eventually ended up with $40,000.00 in savings. But, he was also very strange. nice guy, but, he could not handle living with people. Some guys took him in at their apartment in the winter to get him out of his car, and threw him out after a month, because he never paid his share of the rent, and, was a total slob, even though he was loaded! At any rate. I am not the only one asking for money online. If you want a true eye openning experience about the nature of people of begging for money online, go to Donatemoney2me.com. You won't believe the things that people are requesting money for. Some of it is just plain stupid, while there are people like me, who are on the verge of homelessness, who are getting nothing. I would ask for money at Donatemoney2me, but, I can't afford to pay the monthly fee to put in a request. Check it out. Then you will see. I am not absolutely horrible. Brian --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:44 PM --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, Brian McFeely wrote: > The only possible Amusement park I could work at near my home is Michigan's Adventure, which does not open until the middle of May. It's a 45 mile trip, one way from my home. > I would spend more money on Gas driving back and forth to the park each week, than I would make that week. It wouldn't be worth it. Don't you think I thought of it? > > You are talking to someone who has worked all his life. I made $23,000.00 a year for 15 years. I worked full time, and drove 30 miles back and forth to work every day. Tues through Saturday, and, I have only been out of work since January. I paid the rent, and all the bills for years, while I cared for my partner who is a heart attack/stroke survivor. > > You guys talk about me like I am some kind of mooch. Don't you think I would rush out and get a job if I thought it would cover my bills? I could barely make it on $13.00 an hour at full time. No job I could get today would ever even come close to that. My monthly expenses are well over $1000.00. Rent, Car payment, insurance, credit cards, cell phone. > > And, asking for donations on this site is not the only thing I am doing. I am also a writer. So, I am on the web looking for magazines to submit my wrting to. I am also looking into selling products. Checking into Amway, and, I have also been in contact with several > agencies hoping to get help with my rent. > > If I could get just $6,000.00 I would be set on rent for the entire year. I am thinking of everything, and not excluding anything. I am an intelligent hard worker. I started working when I was 20, and this is the first time I have been unemployed in 23 years! > > So, don't treat me like I'm a bum. > > This is the reason why so many people are homeless in this country. because nobody takes time to think where those pepole came from. And nobody cares. > . I was homeless for 6 months. I joined the Navy so I could stop living in an abandoned car. Turn off the cell phone. Cut up the credit cards. Turn off the internet. Consider moving away from a state where the unemployment is so high that they deny people the assistance they deserve. Take a part time job at Taco Bell, or KMart, I worked at both simultaneously while I was homeless. Minimize expenses. I ate two meals a day or less for 6 months, at least one of which was free at my job. Most of what I hear is 'poor me', but not a lot of what you are doing to move beyond the situation and improve your chances of getting past a rough time. I don't intend to sound callous, but I never asked anyone for a handout. I scoured the ground for loose change to get a cheeseburger at McDonald's so I could eat when I didn't have those jobs. If you can't get a job to cover your expenses, reduce your expenses to what a lower paying job WILL cover. There are always options. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 22:55:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84162 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 06:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 06:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 06:55:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78297 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2009 06:55:06 -0000 Message-ID: <579077.77547.qm@web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YOEsi1kVM1n82.xQaN9GUYsXSmyo3KGH1WCEy5fXlIqoEX_nbdviyoWuweNvC4n3QEYsP2QyEn_8IVMk2bud5HauA8UTWBV_yY9KfdIn93kmlJlXhpPtqSc9qBensZNeK7kEUoy50DIX3xhd5Phzrw6DC.klV7LrC7kvwVxTFc3fZ8RJh5Gl0LCSsFeBFxPKzgPVPDPKAOeiFn.K5Ag6459xUAuqQSNtzwCUOhaj86BeMqx1U4nrFe52ZW9fp3KyzK1Ra4yZVyMW9yN3NOn7JWXBqTu2 X-Received: from [172.163.122.42] by web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:55:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:55:06 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002401c9995c$d1fe8890$6e7a10ac@JoshLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Reply-To: bri_man2007@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=aUD5B911r-IAkfK3DNxr9q-IuOj0iyGJlFk7aq91JqRn879gShQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The only things I have that I do not need are about $1,000 worth of total= =A0credit card debt. . That is it. I do not have any season passes to amusm= ent parks. (Never have) I cancelled the cable a long time ago, and need the= internet to look for good paying jobs, and, I also do some selling on line= to make extra money. =A0 My only bills are my apartment rent $618.00 a month, My Car $195.00 a month= , and my car insurance. $125.00 a month. That is all my bills. My cell phon= e is $60.00 a month. I am also using that for job contacts, and it is my personal phone. =A0 Without a phone, and a running car, how am I supposed to stand out to a pro= spective employer when there are over 20,000 other people in my city lookin= g for work? =A0 I don't live with my parents. I pay all my bills myself. I have for 20 year= s. =A0 Anyways, thanks for this discussion. =A0 I'll try to keep it to coasters from now on. Don't want to go on about this= . It obviously was a waste of time anyways. =A0 Went to Cedar Point last summer. I finally got to ride Top Thrill Dragster,= it was great, Maverick was awesome! and Mean Streak sucked as usual. =A0 Bye! --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Josh Wozny wrote: From: Josh Wozny Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 11:27 PM This is just getting ridiculous man. "Doing everything you can to save everything you have" - by posting on here= and Coasterbuzz asking for donations? Give me a break. I understand your situation, I've been laid off before - but all that did w= as give me the drive to find something better. It took me almost 8 months, = but I worked in retail that whole time (at Abercrombie and Fitch, one of th= e lowest paying retail jobs out there), and still got by. I was only 23 whe= n that happened, and now at 27, I'm married, have all kinds of toys, spend = at least one week of the year at Disney, and I'm making almost double what = I was then, because I chose to better myself. Times still get tough for me,= but I just push through it. And why do you have to be homeless to work at Taco Bell? If you put enough = hours in there, you can make damn sure your rent is paid.=20 If I lost my job right now, the first thing I would do is cancel my cable, = netflix, gym membership, tanning and any other non-necessary monthly expens= es that I had - those "bills" you're talking about probably include somethi= ng along those lines. #2, I would avoid the season passes and park tickets = until I got back on my feet - something it seems you may not be willing to = part with, but in the grand scheme of things... it's probably a good idea. If you think we're being hard on you, maybe you should call Dave Ramsey or = Chris Kidd (both have written highly successful books about managing your m= oney) - cause they'll tear you a new one. Don't look at me like I'm some kind of anti-helping out kind of guy, I'm 10= 0% in support of everything on that side of the fence - some would call me = a "liberal" and think it's an insult. :facepalm:, but dude. As an "impartia= l" 3rd party, who is just trying to help you out, I'm seeing you start to g= et VERY defensive when offered any suggestions. Point being, losing your job is a LIFE CHANGING event, if only temporary, y= et it seems you haven't been willing to change the right things that are ne= eded in order to keep your current lifestyle intact once the dust settles Look at me getting all wise and grown up.. :-D. Josh ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian McFeely=20 To: RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me So Chris; Basically what your telling me, is I should be homeless and work at Taco be= ll? Rather than doing everything I can to save what I already have? Which is so= mething I am not ready to do. I will fight to save everything I have. I'm also very sorry to hear that you were homeless. We actually had a guy w= orking at our store full time, who lived in his car out in the parking lot.= Not because he couldn't afford to rent and apartment, he was out there, be= cause he didn't want to pay for one. He lived in his car, worked every day, and eventually ended up with $40,000= .00 in savings. But, he was also very strange. nice guy, but, he could not hand= le living with people. Some guys took him in at their apartment in the wint= er to get him out of his car, and threw him out after a month, because he n= ever paid his share of the rent, and, was a total slob, even though he was = loaded!=20 At any rate. I am not the only one asking for money online. If you want a t= rue eye openning experience about the nature of people of begging for money online,= go to Donatemoney2me. com. You won't believe the things that people are requestin= g money for. Some of it is just plain stupid, while there are people like me, who are on= the verge of homelessness, who are getting nothing. I would ask for money at Donatemoney2me, but, I can't afford to pay the mon= thly fee to put in a request. Check it out. Then you will see. I am not absolutely horrible. Brian --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me To: RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:44 PM --- In RollerCoasterTalk@ yahoogroups. com, Brian McFeely=20 wrote: > The only possible Amusement park I could work at near my home is=20 Michigan's Adventure, which does not open until the middle of May.=20 It's a 45 mile trip, one way from my home. > I would spend more money on Gas driving back and forth to the park=20 each week, than I would make that week. It wouldn't be worth it.=20 Don't you think I thought of it? >=20 > You are talking to someone who has worked all his life. I made=20 $23,000.00 a year for 15 years. I worked full time, and drove 30=20 miles back and forth to work every day. Tues through Saturday, and, I=20 have only been out of work since January. I paid the rent, and all=20 the bills for years, while I cared for my partner who is a heart=20 attack/stroke survivor.=20 >=20 > You guys talk about me like I am some kind of mooch. Don't you=20 think I would rush out and get a job if I thought it would cover my=20 bills? I could barely make it on $13.00 an hour at full time. No job=20 I could get today would ever even come close to that. My monthly=20 expenses are well over $1000.00. Rent, Car payment, insurance, credit=20 cards, cell phone.=20 >=20 > And, asking for donations on this site is not the only thing I am=20 doing. I am also a writer. So, I am on the web looking for magazines=20 to submit my wrting to. I am also looking into selling products.=20 Checking into Amway, and, I have also been in contact with several > agencies hoping to get help with my rent. >=20 > If I could get just $6,000.00 I would be set on rent for the entire=20 year. I am thinking of everything, and not excluding anything. I am=20 an intelligent hard worker. I started working when I was 20, and this=20 is the first time I have been unemployed in 23 years! >=20 > So, don't treat me like I'm a bum. >=20 > This is the reason why so many people are homeless in this country.=20 because nobody takes time to think where those pepole came from. And=20 nobody cares. > . I was homeless for 6 months.=20 I joined the Navy so I could stop living in an abandoned car.=20 Turn off the cell phone. Cut up the credit cards. Turn off the=20 internet. Consider moving away from a state where the unemployment is=20 so high that they deny people the assistance they deserve. Take a=20 part time job at Taco Bell, or KMart, I worked at both simultaneously=20 while I was homeless. Minimize expenses. I ate two meals a day or=20 less for 6 months, at least one of which was free at my job.=20 Most of what I hear is 'poor me', but not a lot of what you are doing=20 to move beyond the situation and improve your chances of getting past=20 a rough time.=20 I don't intend to sound callous, but I never asked anyone for a=20 handout. I scoured the ground for loose change to get a cheeseburger=20 at McDonald's so I could eat when I didn't have those jobs.=20 If you can't get a job to cover your expenses, reduce your expenses=20 to what a lower paying job WILL cover.=20 There are always options.=20 Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Feb 28 06:12:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48684 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 14:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 14:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 14:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LdPvE-0003Fr-Tc for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:12:08 -0500 Message-ID: <49A94638.4080401@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:12:08 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <579077.77547.qm@web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <579077.77547.qm@web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a4fd1fa9774120821e43cfe3574ccfc075b89bcadad4eb3b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=rJeAFLXR_PeqjsV2hle54N9HHsG917mk2KPwmeSJ10CWLq4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash > Look at me getting all wise and grown up.. :-D. > > Josh hehe, I know it scared me! :P but seriously on that note it's time to move this one to private replies through personal emails. I think Brian has been given some good advice- advice that is very similar to what I would have given based on the couple of times I've had things like this happen. Thanks to those that replied. So now getting back to what the list is here for- anyone else have any park related comments? I hear Pilgrim's Plummet went vertical, track construction on Manta is done, Diamondback has started test runs, Hard Rock and Conneaut may both reopen this next year, that I totally screwed up when it came to meeting Chris and his wife at Disney (I still feel pretty stupid how that worked out)... I'm sure there's more out there. Anyone have any nice little nuggets. keep on ridin' George From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Feb 28 08:30:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3930 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 16:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 16:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 16:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 16:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 16:30:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:30:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49A94638.4080401@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.184.110.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=UaHnaT6P9rCrooj-4lSIYPWO0oTE80f6IVzaKF9PmfrNfVASA0ZrMBtOIA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > So now getting back to what the list is here for- anyone else have=20 any=20 > park related comments? I hear Pilgrim's Plummet went vertical, track=20 > construction on Manta is done, Diamondback has started test runs,=20 Hard=20 > Rock and Conneaut may both reopen this next year, that I totally=20 screwed=20 > up when it came to meeting Chris and his wife at Disney (I still feel=20 > pretty stupid how that worked out)... I'm sure there's more out=20 there.=20 > Anyone have any nice little nuggets. personally, im most excited about Manta. i realize its not going to be=20 on par with Superman at SROS, but still ive been wanting a flying=20 coaster for sooooo long.=20 its opening in May, right George? i wonder how bad the wait is going to=20 be. sure is going to look impressive from the parking lot though.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Feb 28 08:44:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6334 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 16:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 16:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 16:44:25 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1757805wfg.25 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.82.6 with SMTP id f6mr1939475wfb.182.1235839464904; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap2.p4.sca.7sys.net (sprintce-provision.seven.com [66.35.228.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm9814990wfc.37.2009.02.28.08.44.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49a969e8.18038e0a.3de9.ffffd1e3@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:24 -0800 (PST) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=LgPz27F6mwFi89Hm-FEIEMHMuzjL85wK6WHZHVute8L35tVOpA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny George, you WILL be meeting up with Jen and me (yes that is grammatically correct...) at WDW in a few weeks, right? :) --- Original Message --- From:"george burnash" Sent:Sat 2/28/09 9:16 am To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me > Look at me getting all wise and grown up.. :-D. > > Josh hehe, I know it scared me! :P but seriously on that note it's time to move this one to private replies through personal emails. I think Brian has been given some good advice- advice that is very similar to what I would have given based on the couple of times I've had things like this happen. Thanks to those that replied. So now getting back to what the list is here for- anyone else have any park related comments? I hear Pilgrim's Plummet went vertical, track construction on Manta is done, Diamondback has started test runs, Hard Rock and Conneaut may both reopen this next year, that I totally screwed up when it came to meeting Chris and his wife at Disney (I still feel pretty stupid how that worked out)... I'm sure there's more out there. Anyone have any nice little nuggets. keep on ridin' George From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Feb 28 08:54:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51601 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 16:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 16:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 16:54:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11071 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 16:54:01 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 28 Feb 2009 16:54:01 -0000 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <49A94638.4080401@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:54:00 -0600 References: <579077.77547.qm@web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49A94638.4080401@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=SUXTLksivhkr7P960lBjZ3UVpVpGgBc3w7FIv4Pi4pGit3yJ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Anyone have any nice little nuggets. Indiana Beach coaster weekend has been announced for August 14th and 15th .. Not a patch on past events, but should still be fun (ERT on Hawg, Cornball and Hurricane). Cameron. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 11:56:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72983 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 19:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 19:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 19:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 19:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 19:56:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:56:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49A94638.4080401@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Other topics... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=jPnPqNf87INsjkCU1mipGFjGFH-OlD5zW-JmuV0rIpyAzC_dmA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash =20 wrote: > So now getting back to what the list is here for- anyone else have=20 any=20 > park related comments? I hear Pilgrim's Plummet went vertical, track=20 > construction on Manta is done, Diamondback has started test runs,=20 Hard=20 > Rock and Conneaut may both reopen this next year, that I totally=20 screwed=20 > up when it came to meeting Chris and his wife at Disney (I still feel=20 > pretty stupid how that worked out)... I'm sure there's more out=20 there.=20 > Anyone have any nice little nuggets. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George I actually drove by Sea World Florida about a dozen times earlier this=20 month, despite never having been inside that park, solely because Manta=20 wasn't open yet. Hopefully, I won't have to wait 15 more years to get=20 back there to try it out. (Actually, Mayumi loved WDW, so I know we'll=20 be back.) Diamondback, there is no coaster this year that I'm more excited for.=20 The footage of it testing on YouTube really got the juices flowing.=20 Opening day is April 18th, and I want to be there! I'm antsy about Hard Rock reopening. I want to go, but I don't know if=20 it's going to be possible again. I went to SC last year a week after it=20 shut down. This time, I might be gone from the US before it reopens.=20 D'oh! Conneaut, on the other hand... I don't know. Maybe Geauga Lake's=20 closing will help them out, but then again, the growth at Waldameer is=20 going to have the opposite effect. They've really got a lot of hard=20 work in front of them.=20 As for the little mix-up at the Magic Kingdom front gate, George, I=20 wasn't even going to bring it up. No worries, we'll just have to try=20 again when you come visit Tokyo Disneyland next year. ;) Chris From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Feb 28 12:54:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81959 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 20:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 20:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 20:54:17 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1212331ywk.74 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:54:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.19.72 with SMTP id z8mr2812967iba.6.1235854457363; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:54:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49a969e8.18038e0a.3de9.ffffd1e3@mx.google.com> References: <49a969e8.18038e0a.3de9.ffffd1e3@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:54:17 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0902281254o368176fbq1416544ae8535932@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=6zhWzDLkSJm7CVWAZZmqVr3hjStSS8lVcLE4_YzFCwLPkx8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Actually it would have been "with me and Jen." I wouldn't have said anything if you weren't so sure, but the 'me' is the subject of the the sentance, Jen is an addition. Jen and I will be meeting you would also have been right. On 2/28/09, josh.wozny@gmail.com wrote: > George, you WILL be meeting up with Jen and me (yes that is grammatically > correct...) at WDW in a few weeks, right? :) > > --- Original Message --- > From:"george burnash" > Sent:Sat 2/28/09 9:16 am > To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Subj:Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Off Topic: Please don't ban me > >> Look at me getting all wise and grown up.. :-D. >> >> Josh > > hehe, I know it scared me! :P > > but seriously on that note it's time to move this one to private replies > through personal emails. I think Brian has been given some good advice- > advice that is very similar to what I would have given based on the > couple of times I've had things like this happen. Thanks to those that > replied. > > So now getting back to what the list is here for- anyone else have any > park related comments? I hear Pilgrim's Plummet went vertical, track > construction on Manta is done, Diamondback has started test runs, Hard > Rock and Conneaut may both reopen this next year, that I totally screwed > up when it came to meeting Chris and his wife at Disney (I still feel > pretty stupid how that worked out)... I'm sure there's more out there. > Anyone have any nice little nuggets. > > keep on ridin' > George > > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Mar 01 04:57:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55168 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 12:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 12:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 12:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LdlEi-0007wi-P3 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:57:40 -0500 Message-ID: <49AA8645.3080606@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:57:41 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a4fd1fa977412082edc76e4652a6e076d2e9e0b24200bd6a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] various topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Wr62yNE1iJMVm3NOYmijV2nYD_7bmBUqDigsX5CtuGon5RI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Replying to a few different posts here: Doug Nelson wrote: > > personally, im most excited about Manta. i realize its not going to be > on par with Superman at SROS, but still ive been wanting a flying > coaster for sooooo long. > > its opening in May, right George? i wonder how bad the wait is going to > be. sure is going to look impressive from the parking lot though. I think it's either May 18th or 12th that has been announced as the tentative opening date. I've got to find out what's going on with my Busch passes (I think they canceled them) or I'll be hoping the flcc is out there for opening. Should be able to get it, but I'm not sure. Waits will be interesting, as the wait for Kraken is rarely that bad, but with them now having 3 or 4 "big" rides, they might start getting more waits for them. > josh.wozny@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> George, you WILL be meeting up with Jen and me (yes that is >> grammatically correct...) at WDW in a few weeks, right? :) >> Assuming that 1. I know when you're coming (you haven't told me yet) and 2. I don't mess up and forget when my block out dates on my pass are like I did with Chris, then yes, I should be able to meet up with you for at least one day. Don't need me to help you with the color on your camera again, do you? :P (JK, you take some awesome shots) Chris wrote: > > As for the little mix-up at the Magic Kingdom front gate, George, I > wasn't even going to bring it up. No worries, we'll just have to try > again when you come visit Tokyo Disneyland next year. ;) I couldn't (and still can't) believe I did that. I've never mixed up my block out dates before like that (though I have overbooked work a time or two). After all those years of trying to meet up, we finally get a chance and I blow it big time. Well, at least we met outside the park instead of waiting til we got in. That would have been even worse. BTW- would LOVE to meet you in Japan next year. You paying? :P Seriously, I've been dying to get to Japan since I was a teenager and we used to have exchanged students for the Osaka/ Nara area stay with us every summer. keep on ridin' George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 01 07:48:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95825 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 15:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 15:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 15:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 15:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 15:48:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:48:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49AA8645.3080606@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: various topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=PvmcWR-BfXOuE_d2iTAjyQJKBzEeKvjywekLAQTSrdhax9MltQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Chris wrote: > >=20 > > As for the little mix-up at the Magic Kingdom front gate, George,=20 I > > wasn't even going to bring it up. No worries, we'll just have to=20 try > > again when you come visit Tokyo Disneyland next year. ;) >=20 > I couldn't (and still can't) believe I did that. I've never mixed=20 up my=20 > block out dates before like that (though I have overbooked work a=20 time=20 > or two). After all those years of trying to meet up, we finally=20 get a=20 > chance and I blow it big time. Well, at least we met outside the=20 park=20 > instead of waiting til we got in. That would have been even worse. >=20 > BTW- would LOVE to meet you in Japan next year. You paying? :P=20 > Seriously, I've been dying to get to Japan since I was a teenager=20 and we=20 > used to have exchanged students for the Osaka/ Nara area stay with=20 us=20 > every summer. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George That was also my hint that it looks like my last 3 years in the Navy=20 will be back in Japan. I'm kind of torn about that, but at least I=20 might be able to get the last 91 coasters I need over there... Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 01 16:01:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5032 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 00:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 00:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 00:01:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95903 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2009 00:01:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UoyKaFsVM1lUCStMWfassCz9j_NxCk2mTHr1zXwChNNN3HtUHOYx66y1s5Cb6C5HqRjfKF8EAA7HVIcYyORUKjTKD7lExsuV1k.zB6z5vX4cMjWn7VMBoR_Xlej8XRHBv4WXsOhB4Zq.3r.1TO4uZazoMD50lM2A.VW.QXj6CvufVDg- X-Received: from [72.79.228.194] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:01:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:01:43 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <4769.94271.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: The approaching season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=wnQRKStTnoCAt52IxMVUvDgf7d5oc6SJtL7iXlYZWcMQtVZjhHh1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I hear Pilgrim's Plummet went vertical < I guess that's better than it going horizontal. :-P Karen and I are planning our first trip for the Memorial Day weekend. We'll be heading to Cedar Point, with a stop at Martin's Fantasy Island and possibly Seabreeze. Aw heck, maybe Waldameer too. And we're getting season passes for Lake Compounce. We might make a trip down the road to SFNE and see what happened to SROS. But that's a big might. It's sad that there's such a big park in our backyard, but not much reason to go there. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Mar 01 17:34:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67135 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 01:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 01:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 01:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 01:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 01:34:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 01:34:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4769.94271.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: The approaching season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=fIQf4j9OkrzaTQ8er7gkBAvBZ7Mv5xeSQmkUJ7Tu4oR7SK38aw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I've got a SoCal trip planned for later this month, possibly even=20 dipping South Of The Border for those Tijuana / Mundo Divertido=20 credits. Ole! After that, I've got a tough decision: Head west again for NorCal=20 (where I've never been) or a quick jaunt down the NJ and MD seashores.=20 I've only got time for one of those before heading abroad again, and=20 it's a choice I'm not looking forward to.=20 I'll probably make a quick swing by Indiana Beach and Kings Island in=20 May, and then on the way to Japan in June, I'll hit Silverwood, Wild=20 Waves and Vancouver's Playland.=20 The hope is to reach #950 before leaving the US again, but without=20 breaking the bank.=20 Chris From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Mar 01 17:54:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5538 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 01:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 01:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 01:54:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26564 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 01:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 2 Mar 2009 01:54:21 -0000 Message-Id: <19899185-B6D8-4572-B405-0480B70EC9EC@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:54:19 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: The approaching season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=w2_vK1P9ONvSFCLOLm2jXpljAhyun98HsdfYvTSu1-e7ZVNy X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I will soon be passing through California on my way to Australia, so I'm planning to visit Six Flags Discovery Kingdom (never been), and also West Coast Bash (a happy coincidence that it's taking place the very weekend I was going to be there). Other than that, no real amusement park plans for me. I know I'll hit Six Flags Great America a few times, along with Indiana Beach and possibly Holiday World. Maybe the Dells too (although I've never had a great visit up there, so it's tough to get motivated). Cameron. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Mar 01 18:07:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31680 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 02:07:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 02:07:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 02:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c3d.510fbedb (37522) for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:07:27 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [192.168.0.101] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA087-929249ab3f5f1c2; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:07:27 -0500 Message-ID: <49AB3F38.7040205@aol.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:06:48 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4769.94271.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4769.94271.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The approaching season X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=HNF4M7L1P_s7adZZdbrN8iK3invpQFro28bL88ixa_0HnUzwYw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Jay Ducharme wrote: >> I hear Pilgrim's Plummet went vertical < >> > > I guess that's better than it going horizontal. :-P > > Karen and I are planning our first trip for the Memorial Day weekend. We'll be heading to Cedar Point, with a stop at Martin's Fantasy Island and possibly Seabreeze. Aw heck, maybe Waldameer too. And we're getting season passes for Lake Compounce. We might make a trip down the road to SFNE and see what happened to SROS. But that's a big might. It's sad that there's such a big park in our backyard, but not much reason to go there. > > Jay > I would say you must go to Waldameer. RF2 is that good. Besides, it is a great little park (I like Seabreeze a lot too though) with a nice waterpark. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on.... 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RF2 is that good. < I know. I rode it last year. That why I want to go back. Well ... that and the Wacky Shack and Pirate's Cove. 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Meet them for love? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=sWY7Sh3b5boHxOLcBp5NBcOv83mDRC3lNIm5H3m6yhknkuM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This spammer has not been to a Coaster Con. There are plenty of uglies, but little bumping of said items. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Fri Mar 06 16:01:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77503 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 00:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2009 00:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 00:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lfjyo-00026d-Ec for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:01:26 -0800 Message-ID: <97BB7332CE0748C394C5F74B71535074@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <165816ef0903060841m25fd068n224d657dcc60aa09@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0903060841m25fd068n224d657dcc60aa09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:01:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Many girls with herpes or hpv are alone. Meet them for love? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=uEL1b7H-88brmlrFNKiXH7Nt3gqUOerK-UnS9YoeobJZG8mrbnINPHSteA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance To bring things back ontopic further, I've always wanted to find a bumper car ride somewhere called Bumping Ulgys. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" To: Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Many girls with herpes or hpv are alone. Meet them for love? > This spammer has not been to a Coaster Con. There are plenty of uglies, > but > little bumping of said items. > > Adam > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Mar 07 23:13:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18576 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 07:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 07:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 07:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 07:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 07:13:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:13:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0903060841m25fd068n224d657dcc60aa09@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Many girls with herpes or hpv are alone. Meet them for love? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=td-bweBt0WNY7poCkTtL85XzK3F8jy19Ibcl_odh4KKcV-tzCEgB X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrot= e: > > This spammer has not been to a Coaster Con. There are plenty of uglies, = but > little bumping of said items. >=20 > Adam Oh Mr. Horsey Pole... That was prety damn funny! From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 08 13:14:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92687 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 20:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 20:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 20:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 20:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 20:14:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:14:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.198.15 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Area man on coaster seated next to Lou Reed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=0ZdujRX002Ck4fLaObxgPAoT5dKlpcGRP70Z8o34wCgwzjgTPO4G X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Yeah, that's all it is.... Jay From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Mar 09 07:36:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3599 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 14:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2009 14:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 14:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2009 14:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2009 14:36:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:36:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.223.218 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: MISC: Area man on coaster seated next to Lou Reed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=9T_HlesazecoGQ3X7RUqcOnw3AsCFenZ7-5bWOD-zGhqjK6lBmZH X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" = wrote: > > Yeah, that's all it is.... >=20 > >=20 > Jay So I guess that would be a RIDE on the wild side. Doo da doo doo doo doot d= a doot! > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 20:15:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68836 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 03:15:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 03:15:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 03:15:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:15:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Solace / WCB Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=1Va8ZdHy6NbruoOl1gQJCm-Daazp0-uxPQxORCXM279chNhMuA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 So...=20 Is anyone besides Cameron and myself going to either of these events?=20 Chris From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:49:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19697 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 05:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 05:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 05:49:40 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so126350ywt.3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:49:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.75.140 with SMTP id y12mr4731vcj.41.1236923380621; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:49:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:49:40 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30903122249t4c8a9e2djc433764e8d9a6b89@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Solace / WCB Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=uHgBSeRdODXPlf7dVo18Rkin8-_jSU9-bIl2Ej8mongeunCJ X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I'll be at Solace, and Disney the Thurs & Friday prior, and a 2 week road trip via TX and TN following. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Chris wrote: > So... > > Is anyone besides Cameron and myself going to either of these events? > > Chris > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! =A0Spread the word = about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Mar 12 23:09:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57087 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 06:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 06:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.241) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 06:09:51 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so1532360rvf.28 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:09:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.73.13 with SMTP id a13mr617893wal.193.1236924591261; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.122.98? (rrcs-96-11-124-131.central.biz.rr.com [96.11.124.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q20sm6395278pog.22.2009.03.12.23.09.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B9F8AD.8080609@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:09:49 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <74b0c9f30903122249t4c8a9e2djc433764e8d9a6b89@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30903122249t4c8a9e2djc433764e8d9a6b89@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh Wozny Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Solace / WCB Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Vn6n0yQL-QEUCvv498DKwYzblKXzdt_Vk7W81bC5pn3ATB7biA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Won't be making it out to Solace yet again this year, but I'll be at WDW for 8 days, so it makes up for it. :-D Beth Aslakson wrote: > > I'll be at Solace, and Disney the Thurs & Friday prior, and a 2 week > road trip via TX and TN following. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Chris > wrote: > > So... > > > > Is anyone besides Cameron and myself going to either of these events? > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > > > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 23:14:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84051 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 06:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 06:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 06:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 06:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.186] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 06:14:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:14:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30903122249t4c8a9e2djc433764e8d9a6b89@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Solace / WCB Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=6QSh4Qo-7CFzzeP5308mIQvX7XQiykJk3uiY-qXwhZ2822ZO7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Sounds like a nice trip, Beth. Hopefully we'll have time to say more than 1= 0 words to each other this time! I'll be showing up a few days early to knock out all the coasters that have= been built in SoCal since I moved away from San Diego ten years ago.=20 I'm doing Solace, but not WCB, (for obvious reasons) and I'll be visiting D= LR on the Monday after. I may also make a run out to Vegas to snag Speed, s= ince it reopened and I never had the opportunity to ride it before.=20 By trip end, I might be up to #899. Whatever shall I make #900? :) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wro= te: > > I'll be at Solace, and Disney the Thurs & Friday prior, and a 2 week > road trip via TX and TN following. >=20 > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Chris wrote: > > So... > > > > Is anyone besides Cameron and myself going to either of these events? > > > > Chris From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri Mar 13 10:16:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53573 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 17:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 17:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 17:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 17:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 17:16:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:16:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.135 From: "zucker0615" Subject: NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=9VKnE3cQwEh4XxsxQvzhEoP9WLV0SXNB5W3RXw-s-cwYKvHMWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 From AP: NEW YORK (AP) - Shares of Six Flags Inc. (SIX) (SIX) fell Friday on growing= speculation that the theme park operator may be forced to file for Chapter= 11 bankruptcy protection after the company said it could not meet a loomin= g financing obligation. In its annual report on Wednesday, the company said a Chapter 11 filing is = possible if the New York-based company cannot reach a deal to restructure i= ts debt.... full article: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090313/D96T6TTG1.html From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Mar 13 10:38:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69591 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 17:38:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 17:38:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f177.google.com) (209.85.217.177) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 17:38:51 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 25so651016gxk.19 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.73.198 with SMTP id r6mr724565vcj.29.1236965931370; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:38:51 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0903131038n17c8ed0u91d6a1bf99f1a705@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=tcFk7KV70Q2oZ7ET2kR_qYONAuh_IM9BEIxfw6Mjg0M4ldo X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Feeling pretty stupid about preordering those season passes now. On 3/13/09, zucker0615 wrote: > From AP: > > > NEW YORK (AP) - Shares of Six Flags Inc. (SIX) (SIX) fell Friday on growing > speculation that the theme park operator may be forced to file for Chapter > 11 bankruptcy protection after the company said it could not meet a looming > financing obligation. > > > > > In its annual report on Wednesday, the company said a Chapter 11 filing is > possible if the New York-based company cannot reach a deal to restructure > its debt.... > > > full article: > > http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090313/D96T6TTG1.html > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Mar 13 10:44:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5471 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 17:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 17:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 17:44:26 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1329344qwk.16 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.99.6 with SMTP id s6mr791640vcn.96.1236966266060; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0903131038n17c8ed0u91d6a1bf99f1a705@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0903131038n17c8ed0u91d6a1bf99f1a705@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:44:26 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LWS6equbT1mPrdCzaYvvoWlNqjQG5Gc92RBmWzSfzPaKuuzycvzeM9I X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Feeling pretty stupid about preordering those season passes now. They're (maybe) filing for bankruptcy protection. They're not closing. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 13 11:30:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9622 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 18:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 18:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 18:30:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5571 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 18:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Mar 2009 18:30:23 -0000 Message-ID: <49BAA63B.2070602@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:30:19 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b9 (Windows/2009030821) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0903131038n17c8ed0u91d6a1bf99f1a705@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=p8SgUI75vRVDGFrYId4qvivtHPXOfTBv8AHxzWx9WS_scULI X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> Feeling pretty stupid about preordering those season passes now. > > They're (maybe) filing for bankruptcy protection. They're not closing. Right .. and considering that no firm timeline has even been stated, it's probably not worth getting our hackles up just yet. Bankruptcy or no bankruptcy, I'd still rather spend the day at pretty much any Six Flags park than any Cedar Fair park. Cameron. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 13:57:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91312 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 20:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 20:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 20:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 20:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 20:57:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:57:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49BAA63B.2070602@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.11.5 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=7tp4V6YsDsFV-iJReNQppX7Sqzam6IiszMp6HawE8dPi58qlwlcb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The chain's future might be determined by how its associated industries rea= ct. If for instance food or merchandise vendors cease to do business with = them out of fear of non-payment, then Six Flags' problems begin to multiply= tenfold. In the reprint of the article on MassLive, they tack on a local tidbit, how= Superman will have purple trains this year. I'm sure that will draw thous= ands of more guests to the park. Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Mar 13 14:06:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68192 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 21:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 21:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f162.google.com) (209.85.217.162) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 21:05:58 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so3351649gxk.11 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.44.194 with SMTP id b2mr938075vcf.83.1236978357957; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:05:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <49BAA63B.2070602@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:05:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=5E46YooZKciNu5jBJ9QtHEAjK1I5CnHhk00zvFpK6HzRh4cvxssS-zo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > In the reprint of the article on MassLive, they tack on a local tidbit, how > Superman will have purple trains this year. I'm sure that will draw > thousands of more guests to the park. It's getting publicity, isn't it? -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 13 14:11:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69407 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 21:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 21:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 21:11:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14286 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 21:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Mar 2009 21:11:03 -0000 Message-ID: <49BACBE4.6080302@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:11:00 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b9 (Windows/2009030821) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=m6NSuOasOybSCOnDySBSNV9FvoAoc-Ms158z-ppL_g-oiUUF X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > In the reprint of the article on MassLive, they tack on a local tidbit, how Superman will have purple trains this year. I'm sure that will draw thousands of more guests to the park. What do you want them to do? When a park looks as if it's just been left to rot, then people stop going. Personally I'd love to see a makeover like that for (say) Raging Bull at SFGAm .. rather than the dull colours, and dust-bowl that we have now. Cameron. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 16:24:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19974 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 23:24:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 23:24:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 23:24:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 23:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 23:24:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:24:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49BACBE4.6080302@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.112 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=6ooE2qBwRkMDBbrnbslsUhLx9WKo5TkwfF5bTC7WwFRd2W10yw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > > In the reprint of the article on MassLive, they tack on a local tidbit,= how Superman will have purple trains this year. I'm sure that will draw t= housands of more guests to the park. >=20 > What do you want them to do? When a park looks as if it's just been left= =20 > to rot, then people stop going. Personally I'd love to see a makeover=20 > like that for (say) Raging Bull at SFGAm .. rather than the dull=20 > colours, and dust-bowl that we have now. >=20 > Cameron. > I'd settle for the original theming package designed for the ride but kille= d by Premier.=20 Chris From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Mar 13 22:10:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41837 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 05:10:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 14 Mar 2009 05:10:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 05:10:10 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so608940ywh.57 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:10:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.95.202 with SMTP id e10mr835228vcn.12.1237007410226; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:10:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <49BACBE4.6080302@buzzneon.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:10:10 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=RCLDD1nuM8B5SDtK03apErQ8rhwRFq0yY48N5K_Y1Mhl9DK4h_Sts4g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Personally I'd love to see a makeover >> like that for (say) Raging Bull at SFGAm .. rather than the dull >> colours, and dust-bowl that we have now. > I'd settle for the original theming package designed for the ride but killed > by Premier. 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(where the bells ring) Well... The town was moved 'up' to the hilltop when a Raging Bull drove the= townspeople out.=20 The final frenzy was supposed to run through the old town buildings, a la B= ig Bad Wolf, and there were supposed to be more tunnels, fake rock canyon w= alls, etc. along the track. The train is supposed to be the bull, and you'r= e trying to tame it so the people can move back or somesuch.=20 The station was also supposed to have big barn doors that opened up to let = the bull out, but the cost for all the theming was deemed too much and the = ride was left 'unfinished'.=20 It seems that before the Premier days, the parks had more control over what= happened within the park as far as rides and construction was concerned, a= nd after the sale the new bosses weren't happy with the process.=20 Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Mar 14 07:36:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82783 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 14:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2009 14:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 14:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LiUyg-00073T-Bb for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: <49BBC0F6.9070103@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:36:38 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782e81737707618e407a32f5fea6d063f0d286a0493da3966c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:1 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS (test) from Google alerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=2UGUPldgbdLaqGqScfwyj8A-XxOeUz0cDJGZ-ZX2UZ4NGD4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I get a daily news alert from Google on Amusement Parks. Some of it relevant, some of it not. But thought I'd try sharing that with y'all. Not sure if the formatting will come through or not, or how interested you'd be. Give me feedback and let me know if you like it. Or how you'd feel about me enabling html in emails so the full formatting can come through. (e.g. that little note at the end of each article to see all stories is a link, and to have the link formatting much nicer) keep on ridin' George Google News Alert for: amusement park Six Flags at half mast http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/03/13/six-flags-at-half-mast/&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNFHK8WOxG2JIsFYsEilzmBR0kuR8A Daily Finance - New York,NY,USA The economic meltdown of 2008 brought a massive drop in disposable income, which has led to falling amusement park revenues. While Disney, the undisputed ... See all stories on this topic International Theme Park Services, Inc. Announces Amusement and ... http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.pr-inside.com/international-theme-park-services-inc-r1113824.htm&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNEqGpeE6dKRIsYEjoLpSoTt1Yv17g PR-Inside.com (Pressemitteilung) - Wien,Austria The ITPS Honor Roll was created to recognize worthy individuals who have contributed to the well-being and advancement of the theme and amusement park ... See all stories on this topic Prater park blossoms for summer fun http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://austriantimes.at/index.php%3Fid%3D11798&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNGBt2ARfl3aRb8oR72JGVU6qyxbtA Austrian Times - Vienna,Austria The summer season at Vienna’s popular Prater amusement park will begin this Sunday after a long winter’s nap. The trees aren’t yet in bloom as the long ... See all stories on this topic InterPark Fabbri moves into masterplanning http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.interpark.co.uk/news/2017/fabbri-moves-into-masterplanning/&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNHy9JNQyMa8FSgY7pljTpLNIlQ-Xg InterPark - Chapel-en-le-Frith,Derbyshire,UK The resort will consist of an amusement park, two five-star hotels, golf courts, restaurants, luxury bungalows and a multiplex shopping mall. ... See all stories on this topic Kent Online Dreamland plans - world's first heritage amusement park http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kol08/article/default.asp%3Farticle_id%3D58784&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNE_bW2sXQifVlYBptRFSo_7Y2Bujg Kent Online - United Kingdom by Martin Jefferies Plans to transform a Kent fun fair into the world’s first ever heritage amusement park go on display for the first time this weekend. ... See all stories on this topic New Alabama Adventure manager retools the water and theme parks ... http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.al.com/business/birminghamnews/news.ssf%3F/base/business/12369339378860.xml%26coll%3D2&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNHjJc-DOSBuBWty6Eyh-DwGfjAwqQ The Birmingham News - al.com - Birmingham,AL,USA EJ Randolph isn't your typical thrill-seeking amusement park general manager - he doesn't even like to ride roller coasters. "You won't see me getting on ... See all stories on this topic Chicago Tribune Whatever happened to ... Old Chicago mall in Bolingbrook? http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-old-bolingbrook-mall-sw-zonemar13,0,4248753.story&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNFroVY8UMFpny59kMOaUVrLbrkR9Q Chicago Tribune - United States By Vikki Ortiz | Tribune reporter A Dixieland band plays to entertain visitors in the shop-lined New Orleans square at Old Chicago amusement park and ... See all stories on this topic IE amusement park slams door on raves http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story%3Fsection%3Dnews/local/inland_empire%26id%3D6705543&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNEM7nXa4yQV31-xb8UlSvrWINqdAg abc7.com - Los Angeles,CA,USA (KABC) -- An amusement park in the Inland Empire called Pharaoh's Lost Kingdom is trying to slam its pyramid door on raves. All-night dance parties have ... See all stories on this topic For Six Flags, Debt Squeeze Looms as Latest Hurdle http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/12/AR2009031203317.html%3Fhpid%3Dtopnews&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNFlXrzl9XRwD9f_vaIgMrHPtSDvXQ Washington Post - United States As part of its attempted turnaround, the company has tried to make its parks cleaner and more family-oriented. The company owns 20 amusement parks, ... See all stories on this topic BBC News You gotta roll with it http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7937557.stm&ct=ga&cd=jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=AFQjCNEDaiZhMz-crNJa9i2v46sCJ2XhBg BBC News - UK Roller coaster one-upmanship is something of a tradition in the amusement park industry, with rides sometimes designed seemingly with headlines as much in ... See all stories on this topic From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Mar 14 09:35:23 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=32080;u=;t=1237048571;m=1016984260;s=1706612877; From lance@screamscape.com Sat Mar 14 09:40:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17306 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 16:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2009 16:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 16:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LiWul-0005WH-Hh for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:40:47 -0700 Message-ID: To: References: <49BACBE4.6080302@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:41:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=fRvR2Q0jjPIuF_kjQ3-BE9zuMHooy05LK1SvQA8F2JIRmYXRTdx6Ojx8Wg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Was this part of the El Diablo / evil gold mine theme I heard rumors about way way way back then? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Kohlrusch" To: Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SFI maybe headed for Chapter 11 >> > Personally I'd love to see a makeover >>> like that for (say) Raging Bull at SFGAm .. rather than the dull >>> colours, and dust-bowl that we have now. > >> I'd settle for the original theming package designed for the ride but >> killed >> by Premier. > > I'm curious as to what that would have entailed, as I think this is > the first I've heard of it. > > -Nate > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Mar 14 10:00:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95110 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 17:00:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2009 17:00:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 17:00:39 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LiXDz-0000K3-Fs for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:00:39 -0400 Message-ID: <49BBE2B3.90407@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:00:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4782e81737707618e4028411f7d1418ca78d94299dd21cfd9a3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: New Features on the Group Site! Check them out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LDoIG22bnVwAPBExM7B60Z7WlYZeCiTC06kEGiTqOQStwng X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Yahoo is coming out with all sorts of little applications and add ons for the groups. I've added a few of them- some of which fit in with our ideas for a site. There are others out there, and options to these as well, so please, look them over, tell me what you think, and add to them! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/grouplets/subscriptions So far what we've got are: An address book- you can put as much information as you wish in it, or none at all. A birthday list for the group. Add yours! No years, so no worries. An online group only profile. Includes addy and bday, so it's a bit redundant with the others. Also includes some general information about you, a spot for favorite coasters, and more. I can add more fields as well, so would love suggestions. These are only shown to the group, and I believe that I can set this so that group members only can see them, but not sure on that yet. What else do you want to see added to them? A people map and a places map. Not sure how well these will work yet, but you can use it to map where you live, see how many others are nearby, and I'd love to also get the parks put on the places map eventually. Odd deal, I put me on the people map and it's showing it in Georgia instead of Florida. *shrug* Reviews- haven't tested this yet, but this may end up working well for TR's, or some sort of archive of them or sorts. I've got to dig into it more. I know we can also add in hotels, restaurants, and other things. Try it out, see what it doesn, and let me know if you'd like to see more. RSVP- an events calendar! Use it to post when you're going to be somewhere and you want others to join you! There's some others I'm still looking over as well. Please, try them out and see what you think. Then, and most important, post to the list about it. Give feedback! Help me and others to improve them. And enjoy! keep on ridin' George From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 12:10:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44419 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 19:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2009 19:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 19:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2009 19:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2009 19:10:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:10:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.11.5 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: For anyone who's worked at a park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=BrZZj76-aRIoOukCem5ZPjK2qfquHPDKezrnCVsNQ2tnkofAortV X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme An upcoming film, set in 1987 and filmed at Kennywood, presents a fairly re= alistic view of what it's like to work at a small park: Jay From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Mar 14 17:36:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96004 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2009 00:36:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2009 00:36:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.177) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2009 00:36:35 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1496974wah.20 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:36:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.114.26.18 with SMTP id 18mr2108616waz.159.1237077395042; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:36:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:36:35 -0700 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Solace / WCB Weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=_pQtCB-h1RCYXZyQTo8zTbcZTHyAzLM78M1WanjetgexElFMgL7aOoM X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > On 3/12/09, Chris wrote: > So... > > Is anyone besides Cameron and myself going to either of these events? > > Chris > > I'll be at WCB. I like Solace, but it's been easier to just do one or the other, and since WCB has been picking up, it's been my first choice. Maybe next year I'll go back to attending both events. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Mar 14 22:50:56 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42676 invoked by uid 7800); 15 Mar 2009 05:50:51 -0000 Date: 15 Mar 2009 05:50:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1237096251.2382.42595.m7@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=sbsh5v5MIUNorkUO4ztV7Jt8TY1237096246-1" --YCalReminder=sbsh5v5MIUNorkUO4ztV7Jt8TY1237096246-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Superman The Escape opened Sunday March 15, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Valencia, California Notes: On this date in 1997, Superman The Escape opened at Six Flags Magic Mountain, in Valencia, California. Being the first of its kind (a Linear Synchronous Motor launch), it was originally intended to open in 1996, but due to development problems, it wasn't opened to the public until the 1997 season. This was the first shuttle coaster to break the 400' height barrier. It was also the first coaster (along with its twin Tower of Terror at Dreamworld in Australia) to hit 100 mph. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=sbsh5v5MIUNorkUO4ztV7Jt8TY1237096246-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Superman The Escape opened
 
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--YCalReminder=sbsh5v5MIUNorkUO4ztV7Jt8TY1237096246-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 10:44:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14176 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2009 17:44:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2009 17:44:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2009 17:44:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69820 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2009 17:44:14 -0000 Message-ID: <385697.69789.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FE48OPUVM1l_KXadasywcLInwpSe2bQeSfEN0wgEPk405rvJG.XXj0haaQwOeRoKSjKx2xV_P6FmitsCiihPVX.5whNZcE8yYpCzt8J2EU4UJq5s3cLCMkbih8EOZ7IO7uiCfCLRANYCPkYyQmSJTzKH4pMV5exFguBBtNuvcmi2IT8- X-Received: from [71.127.11.5] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:44:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1237122302.3395.92081.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS (test) from Google alerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=POTc1KBPhbzRvfhkQB5g1kp3dL_p2EEGp1R2S_9PDjHkRhTGNXV- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I like those Google alerts. And some of the Yahoo features might be useful, like the review portion. Thanks for keeping your eye out for ways to enhance our group experience! Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Mar 15 22:50:59 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78854 invoked by uid 7800); 16 Mar 2009 05:50:56 -0000 Date: 16 Mar 2009 05:50:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1237182656.13.78852.m2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=ntMdACENd3ErWoz2jHEUlV2frl4ooRT1237182653-1" --YCalReminder=ntMdACENd3ErWoz2jHEUlV2frl4ooRT1237182653-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Walt Disney Studios Park (Paris) opened Monday March 16, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Marne la Vallée, Ile-de-France, France Notes: On this date in 2002, the Walt Disney Studios Park opened at the Disneyland Paris Resort. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=ntMdACENd3ErWoz2jHEUlV2frl4ooRT1237182653-1 Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252;
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--YCalReminder=ntMdACENd3ErWoz2jHEUlV2frl4ooRT1237182653-1-- From rblosat@comcast.net Mon Mar 16 11:23:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rblosat@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68197 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.40) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ToqF1b00L0EZKEL54uPHli; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:23:17 +0000 X-Received: from sz0123.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.185]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TuPH1b00S3zn5Bg3MuPHWF; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:23:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:23:17 +0000 (UTC) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1234894611.10806431237227797418.JavaMail.root@sz0123a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1237182656.13.78852.m2@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE6 (Win)/5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: rblosat@comcast.net Subject: Join at your local branch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195506197; y=xW3DT6vwrZobiI1yg8IHVZqXnrAhblSQDrrik_9LMZ3ygw X-Yahoo-Profile: rbyawho Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am ready to HIT THE BOTTLE!=20 Join the National Association of Drunk Rollercoaster=C2=A0Riders!=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Mar 17 18:14:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33120 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 01:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 01:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 01:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 01:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 01:14:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:14:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1234894611.10806431237227797418.JavaMail.root@sz0123a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.67.191 From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: Join at your local branch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=iOqsIMPYpZxL0wclINvPvYnYArqyWnN1O9O4HdgX8iHBGbo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, rblosat@... wrote: > I am ready to HIT THE BOTTLE!=20 Something tells me you've already been hitting the bottle a bit much. Upsi= de your head as well? Otherwise why send this? *looks a bit confused* George From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Mar 19 08:03:53 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38485 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 14:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 14:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 14:40:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237473652; bh=R4vWErE0HmqC8tXhMcHmxgxn1qql2NGIc+ramDpg064=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:MIME-Version:X-Received:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID:To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=p06f02Dbh+1sm7foZYB4Rm/MR7U/6ETcYTILpdikMI3uaemdNBLJOkOtd1rC8pKsqk4qhpmj2BXXF88lenuTUuqS8OGqnIiRYAOkHVyHLZYRmxDtW3Aj/jhF99iScQZH Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 14:40:52 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 14:40:52 -0000 X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9076 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 20:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2009 20:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 20:22:29 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so321589ywt.17 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:22:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.100.142 with SMTP id y14mr1053462vcn.73.1237062149632; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:22:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49BBC0F6.9070103@earthlink.net> References: <49BBC0F6.9070103@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:22:29 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30903141322o12e70b2cra7003bb21658c843@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS (test) from Google alerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Vwx5tuM81xBcRWznA3ggI4JJs8cxH15AlsIFTxfdeDgjyc2k X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 19 Mar 2009 14:40:49 -0000 I have my own google news alerts setup, I'd rather not see them duplicated here... I prefer someone actually read the news and decide something is worth posting and discussing rather than use an automated program filter to throw all the news at the wall and hope something sticks. It just tends to clutter the group as a news feed rather than a discussion place. ( I know I'm guilty of not posting news when there actually is something newsworthy, but the really noteworthy stuff still manages to find its way here on its own) Also the amusement park filter over time tends to pick up more international stuff than domestic (and with Adventureland coming out, it'll pick up a lot of movie stuff over the coming months)... to get stateside news it tends to help to setup multiple specific filters (Six Flags, Cedar Fair, Busch Gardens, etc.) It depends on what we want the group to be. I don't mind the group being quiet if there's truly nothing worth discussing. Noise for the sake of noise seems pointless. Quality over quantity. But maybe that's just me. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM, george burnash w= rote: > I get a daily news alert from Google on Amusement Parks. =A0Some of it > relevant, some of it not. =A0But thought I'd try sharing that with y'all. > =A0Not sure if the formatting will come through or not, or how interested > you'd be. =A0Give me feedback and let me know if you like it. =A0Or how > you'd feel about me enabling html in emails so the full formatting can > come through. =A0(e.g. that little note at the end of each article to see > all stories is a link, and to have the link formatting much nicer) > > keep on ridin' > George > > Google News Alert for: amusement park > > Six Flags at half mast > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/03/= 13/six-flags-at-half-mast/&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNFHK8WOxG2JI= sFYsEilzmBR0kuR8A > Daily Finance - New York,NY,USA > The economic meltdown of 2008 brought a massive drop in disposable > income, which has led to falling amusement park revenues. While Disney, > the undisputed ... > See all stories on this topic > > International Theme Park Services, Inc. Announces Amusement and ... > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.pr-inside.com/internation= al-theme-park-services-inc-r1113824.htm&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQj= CNEqGpeE6dKRIsYEjoLpSoTt1Yv17g > PR-Inside.com (Pressemitteilung) - Wien,Austria > The ITPS Honor Roll was created to recognize worthy individuals who have > contributed to the well-being and advancement of the theme and amusement > park ... > See all stories on this topic > > Prater park blossoms for summer fun > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://austriantimes.at/index.php%3F= id%3D11798&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNGBt2ARfl3aRb8oR72JGVU6qyxbt= A > Austrian Times - Vienna,Austria > The summer season at Vienna=92s popular Prater amusement park will begin > this Sunday after a long winter=92s nap. The trees aren=92t yet in bloom = as > the long ... > See all stories on this topic > > InterPark > Fabbri moves into masterplanning > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.interpark.co.uk/news/2017= /fabbri-moves-into-masterplanning/&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNHy9= JNQyMa8FSgY7pljTpLNIlQ-Xg > InterPark - Chapel-en-le-Frith,Derbyshire,UK > The resort will consist of an amusement park, two five-star hotels, golf > courts, restaurants, luxury bungalows and a multiplex shopping mall. ... > See all stories on this topic > > Kent Online > Dreamland plans - world's first heritage amusement park > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.kentonline.co.uk/kol08/ar= ticle/default.asp%3Farticle_id%3D58784&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjC= NE_bW2sXQifVlYBptRFSo_7Y2Bujg > Kent Online - United Kingdom > by Martin Jefferies Plans to transform a Kent fun fair into the world=92s > first ever heritage amusement park go on display for the first time this > weekend. ... > See all stories on this topic > > New Alabama Adventure manager retools the water and theme parks ... > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.al.com/business/birmingha= mnews/news.ssf%3F/base/business/12369339378860.xml%26coll%3D2&ct=3Dga&cd=3D= jQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNHjJc-DOSBuBWty6Eyh-DwGfjAwqQ > The Birmingham News - al.com - Birmingham,AL,USA > EJ Randolph isn't your typical thrill-seeking amusement park general > manager - he doesn't even like to ride roller coasters. "You won't see > me getting on ... > See all stories on this topic > > Chicago Tribune > Whatever happened to ... Old Chicago mall in Bolingbrook? > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l= ocal/chi-old-bolingbrook-mall-sw-zonemar13,0,4248753.story&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZ= giSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNFroVY8UMFpny59kMOaUVrLbrkR9Q > Chicago Tribune - United States > By Vikki Ortiz | Tribune reporter A Dixieland band plays to entertain > visitors in the shop-lined New Orleans square at Old Chicago amusement > park and ... > See all stories on this topic > > IE amusement park slams door on raves > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story%3F= section%3Dnews/local/inland_empire%26id%3D6705543&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&= usg=3DAFQjCNEM7nXa4yQV31-xb8UlSvrWINqdAg > abc7.com - Los Angeles,CA,USA > (KABC) -- An amusement park in the Inland Empire called Pharaoh's Lost > Kingdom is trying to slam its pyramid door on raves. All-night dance > parties have ... > See all stories on this topic > > For Six Flags, Debt Squeeze Looms as Latest Hurdle > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn= /content/article/2009/03/12/AR2009031203317.html%3Fhpid%3Dtopnews&ct=3Dga&c= d=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNFlXrzl9XRwD9f_vaIgMrHPtSDvXQ > Washington Post - United States > As part of its attempted turnaround, the company has tried to make its > parks cleaner and more family-oriented. The company owns 20 amusement > parks, ... > See all stories on this topic > > BBC News > You gotta roll with it > http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/m= agazine/7937557.stm&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNEDaiZhMz-crNJa9i2v= 46sCJ2XhBg > BBC News - UK > Roller coaster one-upmanship is something of a tradition in the > amusement park industry, with rides sometimes designed seemingly with > headlines as much in ... > See all stories on this topic > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! =A0Spread the word = about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=abWWsrMtdOlf1IcRwkA1g0zsKX1237528248-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Mar 20 05:03:26 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55916 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 11:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 11:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n76d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.101) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 11:58:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237550291; bh=v3yw/yYU8BPoFtgSI9Uo/TUtmDk+ziZlzgL/o9xquUk=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:MIME-Version:X-Received:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID:To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=JGBCKtvQYJ93eESAaanmG/kWbzp+RtZ894WU5I5K/Ly0kJ9PmtLs97I5qoqSmGEfu5yFj3UgmW+pfDicexcpj8m5Fa8LyfQ2k2LThmB0Srpqc6vCsvsadTEOpvy8YPbf Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n76.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 11:58:11 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 11:58:11 -0000 X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78804 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 17:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 17:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 17:12:50 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so378529yxf.82 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:12:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.31.130 with SMTP id y2mr331302ibc.52.1237482769862; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:12:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30903141322o12e70b2cra7003bb21658c843@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BBC0F6.9070103@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30903141322o12e70b2cra7003bb21658c843@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:12:49 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0903191012x5256d6c3o517fd49f735f2a3a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS (test) from Google alerts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=-5WC1KgEBDtaNiPYUgkTb9yeI4W2CXP03VqIOtIqNuCbGAUH_g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 20 Mar 2009 11:58:11 -0000 Beth, Does it give you alerts on Veeja Land? I haven't heard about that place in a while, and I'm dying to know what's going on over there... Josh On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Beth Aslakson wrote: > I have my own google news alerts setup, I'd rather not see them > duplicated here... I prefer someone actually read the news and decide > something is worth posting and discussing rather than use an automated > program filter to throw all the news at the wall and hope something > sticks. It just tends to clutter the group as a news feed rather than > a discussion place. ( I know I'm guilty of not posting news when there > actually is something newsworthy, but the really noteworthy stuff > still manages to find its way here on its own) > > Also the amusement park filter over time tends to pick up more > international stuff than domestic (and with Adventureland coming out, > it'll pick up a lot of movie stuff over the coming months)... to get > stateside news it tends to help to setup multiple specific filters > (Six Flags, Cedar Fair, Busch Gardens, etc.) > > It depends on what we want the group to be. I don't mind the group > being quiet if there's truly nothing worth discussing. Noise for the > sake of noise seems pointless. Quality over quantity. > > But maybe that's just me. > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM, george burnash = wrote: >> I get a daily news alert from Google on Amusement Parks. =A0Some of it >> relevant, some of it not. =A0But thought I'd try sharing that with y'all= . >> =A0Not sure if the formatting will come through or not, or how intereste= d >> you'd be. =A0Give me feedback and let me know if you like it. =A0Or how >> you'd feel about me enabling html in emails so the full formatting can >> come through. =A0(e.g. that little note at the end of each article to se= e >> all stories is a link, and to have the link formatting much nicer) >> >> keep on ridin' >> George >> >> Google News Alert for: amusement park >> >> Six Flags at half mast >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/03= /13/six-flags-at-half-mast/&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNFHK8WOxG2J= IsFYsEilzmBR0kuR8A >> Daily Finance - New York,NY,USA >> The economic meltdown of 2008 brought a massive drop in disposable >> income, which has led to falling amusement park revenues. While Disney, >> the undisputed ... >> See all stories on this topic >> >> International Theme Park Services, Inc. Announces Amusement and ... >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.pr-inside.com/internatio= nal-theme-park-services-inc-r1113824.htm&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQ= jCNEqGpeE6dKRIsYEjoLpSoTt1Yv17g >> PR-Inside.com (Pressemitteilung) - Wien,Austria >> The ITPS Honor Roll was created to recognize worthy individuals who have >> contributed to the well-being and advancement of the theme and amusement >> park ... >> See all stories on this topic >> >> Prater park blossoms for summer fun >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://austriantimes.at/index.php%3= Fid%3D11798&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNGBt2ARfl3aRb8oR72JGVU6qyxb= tA >> Austrian Times - Vienna,Austria >> The summer season at Vienna=92s popular Prater amusement park will begin >> this Sunday after a long winter=92s nap. The trees aren=92t yet in bloom= as >> the long ... >> See all stories on this topic >> >> InterPark >> Fabbri moves into masterplanning >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.interpark.co.uk/news/201= 7/fabbri-moves-into-masterplanning/&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNHy= 9JNQyMa8FSgY7pljTpLNIlQ-Xg >> InterPark - Chapel-en-le-Frith,Derbyshire,UK >> The resort will consist of an amusement park, two five-star hotels, golf >> courts, restaurants, luxury bungalows and a multiplex shopping mall. ... >> See all stories on this topic >> >> Kent Online >> Dreamland plans - world's first heritage amusement park >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.kentonline.co.uk/kol08/a= rticle/default.asp%3Farticle_id%3D58784&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQj= CNE_bW2sXQifVlYBptRFSo_7Y2Bujg >> Kent Online - United Kingdom >> by Martin Jefferies Plans to transform a Kent fun fair into the world=92= s >> first ever heritage amusement park go on display for the first time this >> weekend. ... >> See all stories on this topic >> >> New Alabama Adventure manager retools the water and theme parks ... >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.al.com/business/birmingh= amnews/news.ssf%3F/base/business/12369339378860.xml%26coll%3D2&ct=3Dga&cd= =3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNHjJc-DOSBuBWty6Eyh-DwGfjAwqQ >> The Birmingham News - al.com - Birmingham,AL,USA >> EJ Randolph isn't your typical thrill-seeking amusement park general >> manager - he doesn't even like to ride roller coasters. "You won't see >> me getting on ... >> See all stories on this topic >> >> Chicago Tribune >> Whatever happened to ... Old Chicago mall in Bolingbrook? >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/= local/chi-old-bolingbrook-mall-sw-zonemar13,0,4248753.story&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQ= ZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNFroVY8UMFpny59kMOaUVrLbrkR9Q >> Chicago Tribune - United States >> By Vikki Ortiz | Tribune reporter A Dixieland band plays to entertain >> visitors in the shop-lined New Orleans square at Old Chicago amusement >> park and ... >> See all stories on this topic >> >> IE amusement park slams door on raves >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story%3= Fsection%3Dnews/local/inland_empire%26id%3D6705543&ct=3Dga&cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o= &usg=3DAFQjCNEM7nXa4yQV31-xb8UlSvrWINqdAg >> abc7.com - Los Angeles,CA,USA >> (KABC) -- An amusement park in the Inland Empire called Pharaoh's Lost >> Kingdom is trying to slam its pyramid door on raves. All-night dance >> parties have ... >> See all stories on this topic >> >> For Six Flags, Debt Squeeze Looms as Latest Hurdle >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=3DX&q=3Dhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy= n/content/article/2009/03/12/AR2009031203317.html%3Fhpid%3Dtopnews&ct=3Dga&= cd=3DjQZgiSsgD9o&usg=3DAFQjCNFlXrzl9XRwD9f_vaIgMrHPtSDvXQ >> Washington Post - United States >> As part of its attempted turnaround, the company has tried to make its >> parks cleaner and more family-oriented. 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Groups Links > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 16:40:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32943 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 23:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 23:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 23:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 23:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 23:40:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:40:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.11.5 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Pacific Ocean Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9j8qFoved3p9mA6eD_RZ0e_h0-1abA0_0wFK1RZnBrCjV29p10iu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I just happened to run across this site. It has a map of the now defunct P= acific Ocean Park and some really interesting photos: Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 05:26:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71421 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 11:46:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 11:46:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 11:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 11:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 11:46:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:46:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.11.5 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: SROS Makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=OGHFOJT0J78IfrmbO0WgeBn3jskAXGzpolqmnIrCmY37S6zOiXUf X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Well, so much for Intamin's stadium seating. The SFNE SROS makeover adds h= uge headrests that block the view of everyone except for those in the front= seat. And why purple? The rest of the ride is blue and red. Stephen Kea= ney's comment is interesting: "The volume's going to be insane." In other = words, they're going to deafen guests as they ride? I guess I should give = the park a chance. But this just looks like a big mistake. Here are the trains: And here's the article: Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun Mar 22 12:16:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35071 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 18:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 18:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 18:52:30 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1117351ywk.24 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:52:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.12.12 with SMTP id v12mr1635640ibv.43.1237747949928; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:52:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:52:29 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0903221152i2e22b663l815daa38589fa668@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: SROS Makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=0A3HF6mGioewYhS8ioWMPoVgGNtBHwaCwbaetCDvzAiQxsRzJg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I think you'd better take a look at the rest of the makeover, Jay. :) The ride's not blue and red anymore. It's been painted purple and blue, the direct opposite of the new Medusa paint job at SFGrAdv. http://www.seetheride.com/images/ne3.jpg As for the headrests, they're ugly, but they're no bigger than those on the rocket coasters: http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p6703.jpg Josh On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 7:46 AM, jay_ducharme wrot= e: > Well, so much for Intamin's stadium seating. The SFNE SROS makeover adds > huge headrests that block the view of everyone except for those in the fr= ont > seat. And why purple? The rest of the ride is blue and red. Stephen Keane= y's > comment is interesting: "The volume's going to be insane." In other words= , > they're going to deafen guests as they ride? I guess I should give the pa= rk > a chance. But this just looks like a big mistake. > > Here are the trains: > > > > And here's the article: > > > > Jay > >=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 18:36:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31635 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 01:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 01:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 01:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 01:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 01:36:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:36:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.11.5 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Stone Creek Flyer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=GfQn_nh6ynLW53h14Up0jOXyRGysehN91eKAzJjnUo67D9TkrAg- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's a nifty model coaster made by Tom Brentana for an H0 railroad setup.= The realism is amazing: Jay From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 03:58:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26143 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 10:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 10:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 10:58:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34738 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2009 10:58:04 -0000 Message-ID: <63573.32606.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Gtgbr4YVM1k_pUDKmzerl4YhiHIdbgiFh9x5gRvgGTpdgon5caVVwm1ReEvsTLsDrIogW_7XmdhnLRnCzLvs8cA0SgJYs5LlU5efAD_Ex.iaEiHdUwsqhtCmXOkYMDlrh4cgjLACzLeQkGEQllA5D2suCxGn7aATFEyonbVKpnWgysNclCKuaJQZcKRNlz0rNAapmIaCsxJZ.zhCUo_Lw6pt9LxQQrz8v0ykVK_mA.tufxkndHdWny.CDrW796REHEEuEm2Ns2w4PuojLh9WQ3fUpHNzsYE0PiUoprgu7v_5CLNq X-Received: from [65.25.60.25] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:58:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:58:03 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Reply-To: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Stone Creek Flyer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=hiVuELjg6AxP1k-Vfjbqw7Z3ILBmTaKDOUE1w937aOmugVS5kwDe8f5TSZ_JvrHL X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All I can say is WOW!!! =A0 Wiley --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jay_ducharme wrote: From: jay_ducharme Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Stone Creek Flyer To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 9:36 PM Here's a nifty model coaster made by Tom Brentana for an H0 railroad setup.= The realism is amazing: Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rblosat@comcast.net Mon Mar 23 04:53:56 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1961 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 11:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 11:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 11:53:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237809230; bh=IS0Xw50c+vCu4EsjCNNtwCnaErYjq79OAkXqFKsLi+o=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:To:References:In-Reply-To:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=sRPUgyGNFy3NwvZfJb9BMv84t7aALzOzImNO5ZZq00Un5gegdR1DLnEYMxy8NOcCMTV8UXFHRp1T6SjXOk7vIJ86tUG2N8J2ERXeOOuCfU+nNUNXR+mgMH7crO2iZ5tX Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 11:53:50 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 11:53:49 -0000 X-Sender: rblosat@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38143 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 01:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 01:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.24) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 01:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WR0l1b00A1HzFnQ52RughU; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:54:40 +0000 X-Received: from tiggin ([67.186.38.109]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WRug1b0062MJ1pv3aRugZ3; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:54:40 +0000 To: References: <1234894611.10806431237227797418.JavaMail.root@sz0123a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c9ab5a$53eeb910$fbcc2b30$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcmnZu9LLBQ9u5LGQPaXNpetqC4XdwD8u3vg Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: CpvL C3Z5 C5fY DEy/ DOgI Dy2a EN+B EP3X EVgE EpDB FFiN GVi6 HnKT JK1e Je02 L5ka;1;cgBvAGwAbABlAHIAYwBvAGEAcwB0AGUAcgB0AGEAbABrAEAAeQBhAGgAbwBvAGcAcgBvAHUAcABzAC4AYwBvAG0A;Sosha1_v1;7;{F4A7758D-3EEC-4969-847E-70C0B4B6CD4B};cgBiAGwAbwBzAGEAdABAAGMAbwBtAGMAYQBzAHQALgBuAGUAdAA=;Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:54:33 GMT;UgBFADoAIABbAFIAbwBsAGwAZQByAEMAbwBhAHMAdABlAHIAVABhAGwAawBdACAAUgBlADoAIABKAG8AaQBuACAAYQB0ACAAeQBvAHUAcgAgAGwAbwBjAGEAbAAgAGIAcgBhAG4AYwBoAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {F4A7758D-3EEC-4969-847E-70C0B4B6CD4B} X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: "rb" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Join at your local branch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195506197; y=xynoS0YigjbXhaPLsZyW0PmJcb6vzgwqQgmcvrKhBL6OtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rbyawho Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 23 Mar 2009 11:53:49 -0000 Oh, me and a friend at work were getting restless for http://www.rcdb.com/pd25.htm and other parks. We got the bug real bad. From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Burnash Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:15 PM To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Join at your local branch --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com , rblosat@... wrote: > I am ready to HIT THE BOTTLE! Something tells me you've already been hitting the bottle a bit much. Upside your head as well? Otherwise why send this? *looks a bit confused* George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 19:53:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80363 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2009 01:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2009 01:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2009 01:10:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98191 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2009 01:10:51 -0000 Message-ID: <42917.96815.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Lf9eSxsVM1kRjNKzDRAFuPduMv0d2TviGRwyLWE_3Re_Q7jn4kpw8OX.LgEbMZ.y7Os6PVd6jqcSDPE4NbydSzBJvvaEmW1lNtHQj9ZwJ76jmnPvLUSiNTYu0sRNmdGeppoPh8ob4ZVWoT7PsMTNXWLB8JYZwEq2Pqbs85d1d..NE_E- X-Received: from [71.127.11.5] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:10:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:10:51 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1237806974.3245.76749.m45@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NEWS: SROS Makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ZAVt_7GzWAALTkRQ-nwM3IsANYlFhAlqDkX-9X3LxCnZWmXmtd6- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think you'd better take a look at the rest of the makeover, Jay. < Yeow! I hadn't seen any pictures of the structure! Well, I will admit that it was badly in need of a paint job. I'm not keen on the color scheme. I wonder if that fantastic station is being re-done as well. If the Superman theme is eventually dropped, they'll have to re-do the queue line too (which is shaped like Superman's "S"). I'll be eager to see how the public reacts to the remodel. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Mar 23 20:16:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82639 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2009 03:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2009 03:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f169.google.com) (209.85.217.169) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2009 03:00:47 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 17so5918517gxk.21 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:00:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.17.138 with SMTP id s10mr1678832iba.54.1237863647187; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:00:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <42917.96815.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1237806974.3245.76749.m45@yahoogroups.com> <42917.96815.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0903232000q132409b5q47edf3f013e1cd2f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: SROS Makeover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=f44AGeRUXLUWjVPt0smTb4WSzQrkiR0gvND_iCGHbfLM5p-Z9A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Well there's some talk that it's actually going to become some kind of Lex Luthor theme. I guess that makes sense, but for now I think I'll just call it "Superman: Ride of Lavender". :-D On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Jay Ducharme wrot= e: > >> I think you'd better take a look at the rest of the makeover, Jay. < > > Yeow! I hadn't seen any pictures of the structure! Well, I will admit tha= t > it was badly in need of a paint job. I'm not keen on the color scheme. I > wonder if that fantastic station is being re-done as well. If the Superma= n > theme is eventually dropped, they'll have to re-do the queue line too (wh= ich > is shaped like Superman's "S"). > > I'll be eager to see how the public reacts to the remodel. > > Jay > >=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Mar 23 22:51:04 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28544 invoked by uid 7800); 24 Mar 2009 05:50:59 -0000 Date: 24 Mar 2009 05:50:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1237873859.14.28543.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Xcz0rJA5MdLRSmIatJGPX1237873855-1" --YCalReminder=Xcz0rJA5MdLRSmIatJGPX1237873855-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=Xcz0rJA5MdLRSmIatJGPX1237873855-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Mar 23 22:53:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42326 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2009 05:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 24 Mar 2009 05:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2009 05:53:17 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1467510yxf.78 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:53:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.17.135 with SMTP id s7mr1702602iba.25.1237873997279; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:53:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1237873859.14.28543.m1@yahoogroups.com> References: <1237873859.14.28543.m1@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:53:17 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0903232253n255dd18dj9bcb5c8d0f770ee0@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=L5uD5JvDtlarkyl1Iwn7odVPUEenopCaVDjxyPaKF-tDxiV-Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Welp... So much for THAT. :-P Josh On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:50 AM, wrote= : > Reminder from: =A0 RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > > Title: =A0 HyperSonic XLC opened > > Date: =A0 Tuesday March 24, 2009 > Time: =A0 All Day > Repeats: =A0 This event repeats every year. > Location: =A0 Doswell, Virginia > Notes: =A0 HyperSonic XLC opened on this date in 2001, at (Paramount's) K= ings > Dominion in Doswell, VA. This was the first Compressed Air Launch of its > kind installed into an Amusement Park. > > Yahoo! Greetings: =A0 Send a Yahoo! Greeting > Yahoo! Shopping: =A0 Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder options > Copyright =A9 2009 =A0Yahoo! 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The original Superman theme was perfect for that ride. With the themed section of the midway below, it really did feel like you were flying over Metropolis. It was great to be able to have such periphery on the ride, too, being able to look all around no matter what seat you were in. Now it appears the only decent view will be from the front seat, and even with that it will be tunnel vision. Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Mar 30 22:51:02 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74758 invoked by uid 7800); 31 Mar 2009 05:50:59 -0000 Date: 31 Mar 2009 05:50:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1238478659.13.74757.m2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=JoB1uhZyu7Uf8vQA1238478657-1" --YCalReminder=JoB1uhZyu7Uf8vQA1238478657-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Carowinds opened Tuesday March 31, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=JoB1uhZyu7Uf8vQA1238478657-1-- From stevenreinholt@yahoo.com Wed Apr 01 13:31:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: stevenreinholt@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58279 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 20:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 20:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 20:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 20:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 20:30:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:30:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.228.107.207 From: "stevenreinholt" Subject: Question: When does Cedar Point open in Sandusky OH? 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From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Apr 01 13:45:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29059 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 20:45:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 20:45:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.174) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 20:45:46 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so241487wfa.13 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.174.13 with SMTP id w13mr3248950wfe.156.1238618746224; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap2.p4.sca.7sys.net (sprintce-provision.seven.com [66.35.228.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm579373wfa.18.2009.04.01.13.45.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49d3d277.1e018e0a.2a4f.2039@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: When does Cedar Point open in Sandusky OH? 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From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Apr 01 13:49:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96083 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 20:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 20:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 20:49:06 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so210212qwb.3 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:48:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.45.135 with SMTP id e7mr4118281vcf.7.1238618929462; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:48:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:48:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: When does Cedar Point open in Sandusky OH? 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Top Thrill Dragster and > Milennium Force are awesome! http://tinyurl.com/ckw9h7 ;-) -Nate From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed Apr 01 19:12:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64080 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 02:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 02:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 02:12:14 -0000 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cb7.4cd6497b (29673) for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:11:34 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: When does Cedar Point open in Sandusky OH? 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Title:   Medusa (New Jersey) opened
 
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--YCalReminder=Thv3N3Na4sBfv37VcsVGvUJ6mA7WOY1238651446-1-- From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Thu Apr 02 06:13:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11616 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 13:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 13:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 13:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 13:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 13:11:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:11:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1238651495.14.58399.m5@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 38.101.168.98 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=e3mQHPz7VMFwWOXmvtPeYFyHaqBUjg_2LN1pp3a_wPtYnm_o-oZA X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > Medusa (New Jersey) opened > Thursday April 2, 2009 > All Day > (This event repeats every year.) > Location: Jackson, NJ >=20 > Notes: > On this day in 1999, Medusa opened at Six Flags Great America in Jackson,= NJ. It is credited with being the first Floorless coaster. >=20 I guess that should be Great ADVENTURE, not AMERICA. Happy Tenth birthday, Snake Lady...even if you're getting a heavy make-over= for the occasion. I'll see the results Saturday. I'll always love ya no ma= tter what! Mike >=20 > All Rights Reserved > Copyright =A9 2009=20 > Yahoo! Inc. > http://www.yahoo.com >=20 > Privacy Policy: > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us >=20 > Terms of Service: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 03 22:52:04 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13646 invoked by uid 7800); 4 Apr 2009 05:51:49 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2009 05:51:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1238824309.1337.13376.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Rl5qFPzfEDZIuORNQ1238824259-1" --YCalReminder=Rl5qFPzfEDZIuORNQ1238824259-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Veega Land opened Saturday April 4, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Ernakulum, Kerala, India Notes: On this date in 2000, Veega Land opened its gates in Ernakulum, Kerala, India. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=Rl5qFPzfEDZIuORNQ1238824259-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Veega Land opened
 
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--YCalReminder=Rl5qFPzfEDZIuORNQ1238824259-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Apr 04 07:36:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62301 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2009 14:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2009 14:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.232) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2009 14:36:08 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so794990rvb.3 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 07:35:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.165.8 with SMTP id n8mr314331wfe.223.1238855750490; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 07:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap7.p4.sca.7sys.net (sprintce-provision.seven.com [66.35.228.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm4620372wff.7.2009.04.04.07.35.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Apr 2009 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49d77045.1e068e0a.44f4.5c52@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=cXqneSjpu0M3ce88xQEqhKJyuhIS8FxpAhLtLv5l__trlOs7Pw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Hahahahahahahahah. I thought we were done with Veega Land.. --- Original Message --- From:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sat 4/4/09 1:52 am To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Veega Land opened Saturday April 4, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Ernakulum, Kerala, India Notes: On this date in 2000, Veega Land opened its gates in Ernakulum, Kerala, India. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Apr 04 16:10:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 321 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2009 23:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2009 23:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2009 23:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LqF0d-0001ks-7W for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: <49D7E8E9.4070100@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:10:33 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <49d77045.1e068e0a.44f4.5c52@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <49d77045.1e068e0a.44f4.5c52@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478e1d4b7fdd4d6900e6a8cb0778f6011668b72079494ead92a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=3fwGXqubmOA_BKmcZmAOQQ9eO7fw9vTPdWKMYcuzh8MLYIY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash josh.wozny@gmail.com wrote: > > > Hahahahahahahahah. > I thought we were done with Veega Land.. Y'know we had to leave that one in since you obviously loved it so much! :P keep on ridin' George From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 05 22:51:39 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31248 invoked by uid 7800); 6 Apr 2009 05:51:32 -0000 Date: 6 Apr 2009 05:51:32 -0000 Message-ID: <1238997092.571.31213.m8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=LycWQw27hUAHW1238997055-1" --YCalReminder=LycWQw27hUAHW1238997055-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Galaxi opened Monday April 6, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: San Antonio, Texas Notes: On this date in 1968, Galaxi opened at HemisFair '68 in San Antonio, Texas. It is credited with being the first S.D.C. Galaxi. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=LycWQw27hUAHW1238997055-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Galaxi opened
 
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Title:   Parque Warner Madrid opened
 
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--YCalReminder=LHxW4TwHcSDuvZUxZyhZ1VRUBLZ1238997055-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Apr 06 08:49:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67725 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2009 15:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2009 15:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2009 15:49:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2009 15:49:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2009 15:49:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:49:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.19.229.42 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Disney to open Times-Square-themed section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=_h8MGIBrh7R1tjMKWDex82eUEVWzY0MC9MBUJZB124Mcsvv9QX4j X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme From The Onion: Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Apr 06 08:52:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93814 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2009 15:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2009 15:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2009 15:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2009 15:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2009 15:51:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:51:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.19.229.42 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Bizarro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=DguLtReIHkl2CBSHrfmjUkdu-Jf1tcRRADD5uFo9uw6o7P9z6RDx X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Say goodbye to the last vestiges of the old SROS. The ride is now called B= izarro. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 09 15:03:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91846 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 22:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 22:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 22:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 22:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 22:03:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:03:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.182.120 From: "Chris" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=gXyqcNsBRe48aEjE7yQDTkt1JofKOvtSMqn4NeEx1fF7rXle3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Six Flags shares to be delisted from New York Stock Exchange on April 20=20 Thursday April 9, 2009, 4:23 pm EDT=20 NEW YORK (AP) -- Troubled theme park operator Six Flags Inc. said Thursday = that its common stock and Preferred Income Equity Redeemable Shares, or PIE= RS, are being suspended from trading on the New York Stock Exchange. Related Quotes Symbol Price Change=20 SIX 0.27 +0.01=20 =20 The New York-based company said trading of its shares will be suspended bef= ore the market opens on April 20. Six Flags said it does not plan to appeal= the decision. The company's shares have traded below $1 since September. On Thursday, the= y closed at 26 cents apiece. In a related Securities and Exchange Commission filing, Six Flags said it h= ad not met the NYSE's standard of maintaining average market capitalization= and total stockholders' equity of at least $75 million over a period of 30= trading days. Last month, Six Flags said it may be forced to file for Chapter 11 bankrupt= cy protection if it could not complete an out-of-court restructuring of its= debt and PIERS. The company has said it does not expect to have enough cas= h -- more than $300 million -- to redeem the PIERS by its Aug. 15 deadline. If Six Flags fails to meet that obligation, it would constitute a default u= nder its credit facility that would allow the company's lenders to accelera= te the payment schedules on their obligations. On Thursday, Six Flags said its restructuring plans include the issuance of= a "significant number of shares of common stock" to holders of the company= 's restructured securities. The company also said it has retained financial and legal advisers to assis= t the company with its restructuring efforts. Upon delisting, Six Flags expects its stock and the PIERS to trade on the o= ver-the-counter market and be quoted on the OTC Bulletin Board. "The delisting of our common stock is a byproduct of the inherited debt loa= d on our balance sheet and the overall financial markets. In no way does it= reflect the operational strength or turnaround of this company," said Six = Flags President and Chief Executive Mark Shapiro in a statement. "This deve= lopment will have zero impact on our park operations, the guest experience = this summer or our vendor relationships." Six Flags said it expects to qualify for listing on a national securities e= xchange if the restructuring is successfully completed. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 20:07:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59717 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2009 03:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2009 03:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2009 03:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 03:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 03:07:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:07:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.140.178 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=CW0kIDjNKWIKhoWj3K2pHcSeTopLz3R6Umhq1-AtqzU0c-xagA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 It seems that I will be at Opening Day for Kings Island and Diamondback.=20 Anyone else? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > >=20=20 > Kings Island Amusement Park has announced it will build its biggest and m= ost=20=20 > exciting attraction in the history of the park! The 5, 282 ft long steel= =20 > hyper coaster named, Diamondback will change the park=E2=80=99s landscap= e when it is=20 > opened in April of 2009.=20 > Diamondback will be the tallest, fastest, and meanest coaster ever to com= e to=20 > Kings Island. The ride will stand at 230 foot at the highest point of th= e=20 > first drop. The first drop will be 215 ft, which is the tallest drop on = any=20 > coaster at Kings Island. It will feature 10 vertical drops, 6 of which a= re over=20 > 100 ft. It will feature 2 helixes, one being 323 degrees, and the other = at=20 > 287. It will end with a spectacular splash down ending. First hyper to e= nd with=20 > such an effect. The ride will travel at over 80mph, and last over 3 hear= t=20 > pounding minutes!=20 > The coaster is being built by Boliger and Mabillard (B&M) of Switzerland.= It=20 > will feature the new unique 4 across stadium style seating. There will be= 3=20=20 > trains with 8 riding vehicles per train. 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--YCalReminder=4UM1EKPDofpzvygLmWt0FG1239515431-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 15:41:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13508 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2009 22:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2009 22:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2009 22:41:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21556 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2009 22:41:23 -0000 Message-ID: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _bnxPtQVM1kACAxeMsATtSgVYO0aYPbTwY8sBgm.iQhF_qDn7.fogOYzI0BAYYPesELx77h3kDfGOv5ROwqgLeyZHQdLd973g_fZo6qevCguu7lHhq.bokPDPJr68g_4cnw5wtvb.4ljrnD6tKV_03Q_zbCjWCPWvTA2yTB7UTTPjTL._JD7uGNtGBYc4K48S.5PcHZFB5gsD6CuqdlF6QUJOi0GEAD5fb6.At834nxSrTirW5QrlUDzx1E6YCG6NcT2tdB1pfShaUj4rW_LNF87Spi_qR4zMi2B X-Received: from [72.70.227.253] by web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:41:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=xB5j7G2I0KE7vC9QDKcodzJTxANrxdhrx8lrmw6McqjpxvthrgKf X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'm glad I resisted the temptation to buy a boat-load of stock when the price hit 16 cents a share. Does anyone think this will be good for the company, in the sense that they don't have to worry about pleasing shareholders? Jay From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 16:58:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95174 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2009 23:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2009 23:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n74.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.186) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2009 23:56:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n74.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 23:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.158] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 23:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 23:56:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 714964.23973.bm@omp406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 68007 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2009 23:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jhXSdtYVM1kFKOlzJ9Fx6a.2CKPc4dojrTp9_c6JnnPF9kHpd800SWDoZO2qsX.FSzam9O2CAbY8su1GYRzKWjnfWxeuXhlejnbTTkBj.XcTCu_3ewfCUwJlD_P_psCJpstT92GFy1Svh2TSuwnJqPsKR8InyWJg2JbaBKWBSsETvJcCEoBwG0erluLmQDlmILUwnniOUt1pp.7MGlJ.YQpUg87i.Jo.93ipRkHgxrB5hsffc14k5zNJ7pc2Xdxs0Ollr9Tent3xu5PM3d_RND.84QuIjMw4SjR72K8p00lX2JRG9knkiOFWAJ5LrCwip.zP9tKmVa6VlmPehnhaLMHhWmtd1pymKmwNaXqOe.96WjNadQ-- X-Received: from [70.127.133.195] by web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:56:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:56:49 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=fRXQ9y7flRg4Ogk5mOKouvvS6O9lGBbIblgdi7q2DPRgteoJpc96 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have always said their quest to undermine prior management would come back to haunt them. I'm glad I resisted also. My thought has always been they had a plan to make sure the stock price went so low to the point that they would get de-listed from the exchange. I believe Snyder's game plan may be to take the company private. Remember, Kieran Burke (when ousted) had the stock trading above $7.00 per share. Just a few years later, they have destroyed the company's stock. I don't subscribe to the notion about the economy as CF and other park chains are doing just fine, and are holding their own. Joe ________________________________ From: Jay Ducharme To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:41:23 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted I'm glad I resisted the temptation to buy a boat-load of stock when the price hit 16 cents a share. Does anyone think this will be good for the company, in the sense that they don't have to worry about pleasing shareholders? Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sun Apr 12 18:20:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 668 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 01:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 01:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 01:20:52 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so1548305qwa.0 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:20:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.77.18 with SMTP id e18mr5859570vck.85.1239585634967; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:20:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:20:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=XpXAJbC1rPiMkzxRX_GRahdVIOUcB1OJ-UFmSelFvuxlEE2Sp2uHh3U X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I don't subscribe to the notion about the economy as CF and other park > chains are doing just fine, and are holding their own. Cedar Fair is talking about selling two parks and cut distribution, so I don't think "doing fine" quite describes the situation. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Sun Apr 12 19:53:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9490 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 02:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 02:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 02:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LtCHN-0003tD-RJ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:52:14 -0700 Message-ID: <7AF7F55541344A3DB06D221DC640B377@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:31:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=yfADbe7v7EWZabrAZKrLRRYD31MpFfXrhWkCEPjCFBL2O9GU8sj1TLYGXg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance They still have shareholders... they just don't get listed on a daily/hourly basis by the stock exchange because the sums involved are too low to be bothered with. Once the stock price goes back up, they can and will be listed again... at least that's the way I understand it all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Ducharme" To: Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted > > I'm glad I resisted the temptation to buy a boat-load of stock when the > price hit 16 cents a share. > > Does anyone think this will be good for the company, in the sense that > they don't have to worry about pleasing shareholders? > > Jay > > > > From lance@screamscape.com Sun Apr 12 19:54:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81518 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 02:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 02:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 02:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LtCJX-0004Cg-Lf for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:54:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3915157AF7244A9683B42F6F30B6A722@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:54:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=QiZzDge5kongtLKVtanakHqGicXAs66fStz4CQ7bCcUS_8288HFzqkRrRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >I have always said their quest to undermine prior management would come >back to haunt them. I'm glad I resisted also. > My thought has always been they had a plan to make sure the stock price > went so low to the point that they would get > de-listed from the exchange. I believe Snyder's game plan may be to take > the company private. I thought about that too myself... but I don't think anyone would want to take a company private who was $2 billion in debt... Maybe if the debt was lower and more manageable. From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 12:28:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32245 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 19:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 19:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 19:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 19:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 19:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 19:27:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 67075.96264.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83757 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2009 19:27:24 -0000 Message-ID: <403718.83064.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SeY9eewVM1n5FygT2t6xre4FauJD01LX.T3WpQ.V6Bpq8hSpdfZbwyn.iSXmggUuKfUg2AcdVDNHGj5bj9uLAJ5oMURsWVonGfqw0Fwcrv3F6Ptm9uSPXopNanCJrpyB4EeYcUiZbxlbDkCiXNHMRVsswl8xL8Z697xoFmCwQ2WnLtJSQLDC2zs0k9aMQuBEEKTLf0xD5bynUp9n_mMdK5hNFoUuOl2_6RvMMcGhrtBwwvBqKcFImyRFdhwplNCibpYgJCf0kgovq5HOxRT70UwtSVHl7qpXmRSJ14jwzEEWxMbgeGoEmwogFmmYQf9fauvNswSEvYTYXc2wRY4gVp1fKiH0XIdPj2k- X-Received: from [70.127.133.195] by web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:27:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:27:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=pkAVto7q5l2005TDerdt0MkQeDy5ZzTyF5CN_sR2vfWFrQdIfiuC X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's right, but at least their stock is not about to be de-listed next Monday. "Doing fine" is a relative term when you compare them to the "dire straits" of SFI. And, I believe they will default on their upcoming loan payments unless "moneybags" himself, Dan Snyder pumps a boat load of cash into the chain, which I do believe he has the resources to do. Joe ________________________________ From: Nate Kohlrusch To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:20:34 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted > I don't subscribe to the notion about the economy as CF and other park > chains are doing just fine, and are holding their own. Cedar Fair is talking about selling two parks and cut distribution, so I don't think "doing fine" quite describes the situation. -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Apr 13 12:33:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49866 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 19:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 19:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 19:33:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18478 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 19:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Apr 2009 19:32:22 -0000 Message-ID: <49E39344.5030208@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:32:20 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b10 (Windows/2009032714) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <403718.83064.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <403718.83064.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=wRUPHLGUlTS7NYU4iue1-YsIKoddhDx0a0Et0Vn8xPibL6HN X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > That's right, but at least their stock is not about to be de-listed next Monday. "Doing fine" is a relative term when you compare them to the "dire straits" of SFI. According to the three highest guys working at SFMM (during West Coast Bash), all Six Flags parks are profitable, and the company is actually doing very well. It might not look like it on paper, but they said that the future is actually very bright. Now understand that this was said during an informal Q&A session, but even if it's really "almost all Six Flags parks are profitable", that's still really good. If you really are worried about the future of the chain, then the best thing you can do is visit your local park .. and hopefully drag many others with you :) Cameron. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 12:44:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3185 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 19:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 19:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f162.google.com) (209.85.217.162) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 19:44:47 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so4486407gxk.15 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:43:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.71.15 with SMTP id t15mr8728163aga.57.1239651827025; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:43:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49E39344.5030208@buzzneon.com> References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <403718.83064.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <49E39344.5030208@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:43:46 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0904131243o787bfed4x87f6943103679125@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=aafzm3TFVwWIL2Axf6f9UyUvoFeBvY6bzsKoT--tV1dcGRQrYw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny It's unfortunate that now, all 3 of the closest Six Flags parks, are about 6-7 hours away from me, in different directions. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > > > > >> That's right, but at least their stock is not about to be de-listed next >> Monday. "Doing fine" is a relative term when you compare them to the "di= re >> straits" of SFI. > > According to the three highest guys working at SFMM (during West Coast > Bash), all Six Flags parks are profitable, and the company is actually > doing very well. It might not look like it on paper, but they said that > the future is actually very bright. > > Now understand that this was said during an informal Q&A session, but > even if it's really "almost all Six Flags parks are profitable", that's > still really good. > > If you really are worried about the future of the chain, then the best > thing you can do is visit your local park .. and hopefully drag many > others with you :) > > Cameron. > >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 12:59:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66637 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 19:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 19:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f126.google.com) (209.85.221.126) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 19:59:36 -0000 X-Received: by qyk32 with SMTP id 32so3679326qyk.2 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:58:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.46.3 with SMTP id h3mr6936527vcf.38.1239652716254; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:58:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0904131243o787bfed4x87f6943103679125@mail.gmail.com> References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <403718.83064.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <49E39344.5030208@buzzneon.com> <76e1ec0a0904131243o787bfed4x87f6943103679125@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:58:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=gfGy4QQ-Hk4XYrWc5gzrjay-X2U88xhSi8uwLbHOJnGSZndnEhWHdMM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > It's unfortunate that now, all 3 of the closest Six Flags parks, are > about 6-7 hours away from me, in different directions. Oh come on, you could make it to SFKK in five and a half hours. ;) -N From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:02:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61408 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 20:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 20:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 20:02:05 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so3106794ywh.49 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.66.14 with SMTP id o14mr8755411aga.104.1239652908036; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <403718.83064.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <49E39344.5030208@buzzneon.com> <76e1ec0a0904131243o787bfed4x87f6943103679125@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:01:47 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0904131301u308f184eudad803191eab77c8@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=X_WBgHW3Ce8YNX-2JoSqeFV0MJYBhEQe9y2VAXHjj4cZxUuI5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny a.) Close enough to 6. and b.) I hereby correct my statement to reflect that any 6F park /worth visiting/. :-D On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Nate Kohlrusch w= rote: > > >> It's unfortunate that now, all 3 of the closest Six Flags parks, are >> about 6-7 hours away from me, in different directions. > > Oh come on, you could make it to SFKK in five and a half hours. ;) > > -N >=20 From lance@screamscape.com Mon Apr 13 13:29:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21182 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 20:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 20:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 20:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LtSll-00022e-7n for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: <3C46A18E98464DF29E6E5CC035950B6F@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <708916.21352.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <406477.67108.qm@web45203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <403718.83064.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <49E39344.5030208@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <49E39344.5030208@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:29:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:NEWS: Six Flags stock to be delisted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=yJ_G-GR8pkFiMFF_-iAFvAIfl0FzrKKh9DeYHrKPshy77YVCw5m89xgbTA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > According to the three highest guys working at SFMM (during West Coast > Bash), all Six Flags parks are profitable, and the company is actually > doing very well. It might not look like it on paper, but they said that > the future is actually very bright. > > Now understand that this was said during an informal Q&A session, but > even if it's really "almost all Six Flags parks are profitable", that's > still really good. This is true... I've heard it from my own sources (across the country, not just at SFMM) that "almost" every Six Flag parks is very profitable. There was mainly one they were concerned about which has some problems, but it wasn't named... though I've suspected that they may have been talking about Kentucky Kingdom... Anyway... even with all profitable parks, Six Flags is suffering from the same thing many Americans are suffering from... credit issues caused but too much spending and high interest credit and bank loans, etc... and like your average family who is still working and bringing home paychecks week to week, these large bank loans have just grown to the point where they are very difficult to pay off. Like most people... normally the parks would just refinance large lump-sum debt payments with new loans and lines of credit... but those 'normal' lines of action are now closed off due to the bank problems. From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Apr 13 22:51:47 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52026 invoked by uid 7800); 14 Apr 2009 05:51:44 -0000 Date: 14 Apr 2009 05:51:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1239688304.9.52025.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=UbWOZ5RUyNIzN9zkcJD7XJC1239688258-1" --YCalReminder=UbWOZ5RUyNIzN9zkcJD7XJC1239688258-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=UbWOZ5RUyNIzN9zkcJD7XJC1239688258-1-- From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 06:18:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36941 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 13:15:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 13:15:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 13:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 13:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 13:15:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:15:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1239688304.9.52025.m1@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.223.218 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=atJGLoxfzlC7I3LjY8r4CpxQr-awhXunh2Ot_05ePFNEQ7agz74R X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > Notes: > The Beast opened on this day in 1979 at Kings Island in Kings Mills, Ohio= . It is the current record holder for the longest (length in feet) at 7359'= - the record has held since it opened. >=20 >=20 > Happy 30th to one of the all time greats..in MY lifetime, anyway... Mike From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 17:59:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55079 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 00:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 00:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 00:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 00:58:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 00:58:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:58:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.140.178 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=cafoxnIE16HLozW1dy_IBitEqDw3tNK71gkRMMsq4R8Eepf2EA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I hate to reply to myself, but I guess it's just me then.=20 I suppose I ought to do a TR... :) Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > It seems that I will be at Opening Day for Kings Island and Diamondback.= =20 >=20 > Anyone else? >=20 > Chris >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@ wrote: > > > >=20=20 > > Kings Island Amusement Park has announced it will build its biggest and= most=20=20 > > exciting attraction in the history of the park! The 5, 282 ft long stee= l=20 > > hyper coaster named, Diamondback will change the park=E2=80=99s landsc= ape when it is=20 > > opened in April of 2009.=20 > > Diamondback will be the tallest, fastest, and meanest coaster ever to c= ome to=20 > > Kings Island. The ride will stand at 230 foot at the highest point of = the=20 > > first drop. The first drop will be 215 ft, which is the tallest drop o= n any=20 > > coaster at Kings Island. It will feature 10 vertical drops, 6 of which= are over=20 > > 100 ft. It will feature 2 helixes, one being 323 degrees, and the othe= r at=20 > > 287. It will end with a spectacular splash down ending. First hyper to= end with=20 > > such an effect. The ride will travel at over 80mph, and last over 3 he= art=20 > > pounding minutes!=20 > > The coaster is being built by Boliger and Mabillard (B&M) of Switzerlan= d. It=20 > > will feature the new unique 4 across stadium style seating. There will = be 3=20=20 > > trains with 8 riding vehicles per train. The train will feature a uniqu= e=20=20 > > diamondback face on the front of each train.=20 > > For more information about this great new addition, go to=20 > > _www.kidiamondback.com_ (http://www.kidiamondback.com)=20=20=20 > > For construction and event photos, go to _www.kiextreme.com_=20 > > (http://www.kiextreme.com)=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your bud= get?=20 > > Read reviews on AOL Autos.=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=3Daolaut0005= 0000000017 ) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Apr 14 18:30:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15801 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 01:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 01:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 01:30:27 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-549e5388126b; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:29:37 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bfc.57dda43f (30737) for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:29:32 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=C1hFPbgqHCCG4-VTGtrO0DgCuOGJqHwcVrGz5QqyV-4V9vP8nQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I of course will be there, seeing how its my home park and all! 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--YCalReminder=QY9wlJoR1LLK6W7tPATyPPM1239774660-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 21:04:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72490 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2009 04:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2009 04:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2009 04:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2009 04:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2009 04:03:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:03:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.140.178 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=1sXBY9GNWfQ1LGIo8uNMIWKMegl63QSqi6jo0YrIZrD1hywEPA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Well, we'll have to figure out how to cross paths, then. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > I of course will be there, seeing how its my home park and all! >=20=20 > Brian Neal > **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Eas= y=20 > Steps!=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir= =3Dhttp:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26= h > mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Apr 16 05:20:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23090 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2009 12:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2009 12:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2009 12:19:06 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so262586ana.14 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:19:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.18.4 with SMTP id u4mr1434002iba.33.1239884346478; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:19:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30904160519k884eb36n37157c49912a65bc@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=b986uMgPdbgQ4-3eTPDLfO8olg5lYyGudmosC-RYMdvBZC9e X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Startle him by having a random conversation in the food line... it worked at Knotts. ;) On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Chris wrote: > Well, we'll have to figure out how to cross paths, then. > > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: >> >> I of course will be there, seeing how its my home park and all! >> >> Brian Neal >> **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Ea= sy >> Steps! >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir= =3Dhttp:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26= h >> mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! =A0Spread the word = about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 05:44:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48825 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2009 12:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2009 12:43:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2009 12:43:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2009 12:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2009 12:43:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:43:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30904160519k884eb36n37157c49912a65bc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.140.178 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback to Strike at Kings Island in 09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=DARJQkoDZHlZwRX5t5jBoLB_zApt-1NJeU2DbeOXG2YHhR6r7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 1: I actually knew what you look like, Beth, having met you before. (Howeve= r briefly.) 2: I promise, that if we ever get to speak for more than 15 seconds, you'll= see that I'm not that weird.=20 3: Is it Saturday yet? Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wro= te: > > Startle him by having a random conversation in the food line... it > worked at Knotts. ;) >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Chris wrote: > > Well, we'll have to figure out how to cross paths, then. > > > > > > Chris > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@ wrote: > >> > >> I of course will be there, seeing how its my home park and all! > >> > >> Brian Neal > >> **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 = Easy > >> Steps! > >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?red= ir=3Dhttp:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%= 26h > >> mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoas= terTalk > > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! =A0Spread the wor= d about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 07:34:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81462 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2009 14:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2009 14:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2009 14:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2009 14:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2009 14:33:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:33:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.14.138 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Fun Times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Si8EvdTdHlkpKML7Ivl-Wk-DxJzYXxlg927NX4PK8-2ZsMUt8Y_- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme It's the ultimate trip for parents on a budget: Jay From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Apr 19 05:06:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62212 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 12:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 12:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 12:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 12:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 12:05:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:05:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.184.110.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Disney Pass Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=NX0xkEZXeuxLZT8FQYgn2EZZMimmeBRtghwkRUIsodDk_HEPKBE-N5UcKA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 hey George, by any chance does Disney have a payment plan for passes like Busch does? i= didnt see anything on the website but i didnt know if maybe i was missing = something or not. dropping almost $800 for the FL resident passes is a lot = to absorb financially all at once.=20 From jjloj@netzero.net Sun Apr 19 05:59:17 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53843 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 12:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 12:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n79d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.104) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 12:59:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1240145952; bh=IxTC0WVyo9Wt8aTsamUgpuFweaKfuF8C5+aKhl9q82k=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=fhQN/ovwjT/lG+iU9xxI8sr3QysejCODIxuhnZ5q8fqQqJR1Pr3o8TBSgk0xVFYcEO9Tzwmy2A5cgr+r9BzlXkftg/GpZnWkDugBi7G4EYLA+YslDArB/htfg0xjXHhD Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 12:59:12 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 12:59:12 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91960 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2009 23:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2009 23:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2009 23:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2009 23:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2009 23:09:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:08:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=vrJndoUY-uWfPxjb8SYXxSCfiHa9YkR8ePH9Quysi40 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 19 Apr 2009 12:59:11 -0000 As expected the first two hills on Diamondback are good for some airtime in= the back seat. (I was placed in row 16.) My non-quatatative review of th= e rest of the ride is: a slow Raging Bull. The elements after the first tw= o hills were unimpressive. It didn't feel particularly fast while riding o= verall but once past the first two hill I was looking around. The final he= lix was in fact a detractor for me ("I could walk faster then this"). Overall List of "Midwest Big Mine Rides": Good Wildthing Raging Bull Mamba -Diamondback- Magnum etc... Bad BTW the Beast had many obvious new boards on the him and was as fast and sm= ooth as he has been in years. More when I process the data. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Apr 19 06:03:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72852 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 13:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 13:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 13:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LvWg0-00080l-QZ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: <49EB2111.609@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:03:13 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478eae09f65131c9d1f357e3b29915a2edf20869d1c33c603fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney Pass Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=64gPB3ylDbLU3vVt6Ek5Xh593JJmEpAk8gfUZby6RjXWJ2o X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > hey George, > > by any chance does Disney have a payment plan for passes like Busch > does? i didnt see anything on the website but i didnt know if maybe i > was missing something or not. dropping almost $800 for the FL resident > passes is a lot to absorb financially all at once. Sorry, Disney doesn't have any payment plans for their passes. They are still on the old pay it all at once up front type of plan, and as far as I'm able to tell they don't have any plans to change that. When they're setting attendance records the last couple of weeks, there probably isn't much of a reason too. I understand though. We'd be in the same boat having to spend close to $1000 up front for us if we wanted to get passes. That's a very large chunk of change. keep on ridin' George From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 12:20:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50073 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 19:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 19:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 19:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 19:20:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 19:20:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:20:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.140.178 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=DGpcxBux76wvdHYH0fUMv2-jHC3zFnvLDJioSKGV4ZPz1E5x_w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Your opinions continue to confuse me, Jon.=20 I rode in row one on DB at about 9:45 AM, and I found there to be pleasant,= strong, prolonged floater airtime on EVERY hill.=20 About 3 PM, I rode a second time, in the back row and I felt mild floater a= ir on the front of each hill that became strong ejector air at the peak tha= t stood me up all the way to the bottom of pretty much every hill except th= e one before the last 'helix.=20 Beast on the other hand, was indeed smooth, but has something like 18 magne= tic trim brakes installed throughout the course. Compared to my previous ri= des on it (early 2001), I felt that they had ripped out the heart of the ra= mpaging romp through the woods that it used to be and replaced it with a me= andering stroll. Every time it starts to get moving, yet another trim grabs= the train to remove the fun. I know that all the people I spoke to pretty much said the same things to m= e about BOTH rides.=20=20=20 Chris=20=20=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" wrote: > > As expected the first two hills on Diamondback are good for some airtime = in the back seat. (I was placed in row 16.) My non-quatatative review of = the rest of the ride is: a slow Raging Bull. The elements after the first = two hills were unimpressive. It didn't feel particularly fast while riding= overall but once past the first two hill I was looking around. The final = helix was in fact a detractor for me ("I could walk faster then this"). >=20 > Overall List of "Midwest Big Mine Rides": > Good > Wildthing > Raging Bull > Mamba > -Diamondback- > Magnum > etc... >=20 > Bad >=20 > BTW the Beast had many obvious new boards on the him and was as fast and = smooth as he has been in years. >=20 >=20 > More when I process the data. > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 22:06:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69517 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 05:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 05:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 05:05:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2009 05:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2009 05:05:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:05:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=ClqlkTGIsgOgsvdq6OZ6GMRWQaKWJxVe1wfyApBe2okpW7OV86al X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Your opinions continue to confuse me, Jon.=20 Don't wory about it. I'm sure it went down like this... Jon actually expe= rienced lots excitement, speed, and forces on his body. He could have enjo= yed the ride, but was unable to for 3 reasons:=20=20 1) While he did physically ride it, he spent the entire time staring at th= e shiny colors and moving needles on the G meter on his Iphone. It gave lo= wer numbers than the Racer. Because he apparently prays at the altar of a = $2.99 cell phone application, it was proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, tha= t Diamondback totally sucks balls. 2) He has to save face. He was already prejudiced to hate this ride no ma= tter what, so...=20=20 3) He rode his motorcycle to the park. I mean... do you guys have any ide= a how awesome motorcycles are? Or how awesome Jon is for riding one? Come= on people... we're talking about a motorcycle here! Not a car, an honest-= to-god MOTORCYCLE!!!!=20=20 Remember, the numbers on the iphone g-meter mean very little. I'm sure the= peak G numbers on most B+M hypers are lower. But do you consider the dura= tion of these lower #'s? Sustained lower #'s are, to me anyways, way more = exciting than sudden bursts of higher G's that you might get on other rides= . By way of comparison, I'm sure the G's on Magnum XL200 are rather high. = But they are so sudden and brief that they do nothing but toss you about a= nd hurt you. On paper, (or in this case, iphone app) Magnum is the better = ride, but most of us will disagree after riding it. Razzle Dazzle Bitches, -Tommytheduck From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Apr 20 05:33:21 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78733 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 12:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 12:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n76d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 12:33:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1240230772; bh=IfQIdAb8qAHQ7PcmNdsjywgGpBGqn31V1xlfFq8hXHU=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=X89IiInbo5rw2bcVfUWbU56wlPQjPbC1ioWMLKEWxpPkzyP3iOMU7iEmUF+Fyr9KFFKbkMsBAbMkNkP8iKJOJcCS5nK3gG/mvx8DJeeAr8xrQWGKBZ5O25k204zVSDH8 Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n76.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2009 12:32:52 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2009 12:32:52 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4742 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 03:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 03:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 03:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2009 03:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2009 03:55:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:55:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.253.35.86 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=ZSClCk4hzHDKEVzlCfHZZkz28g-yHslDyouqg2Jq-dM X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 20 Apr 2009 12:32:49 -0000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Your opinions continue to confuse me, Jon.=20 >=20 > I rode in row one on DB at about 9:45 AM, and I found there to be pleasan= t, strong, prolonged floater airtime on EVERY hill.=20 >=20 > About 3 PM, I rode a second time, in the back row and I felt mild floater= air on the front of each hill that became strong ejector air at the peak t= hat stood me up all the way to the bottom of pretty much every hill except = the one before the last 'helix.=20 >=20 I have run the numbers and here is what you are absolutely right about, the= air was "strong" (your word) on almost all the hills. My data shows that = almost all the hills got down to or below 0.1gs. That is good and the resu= lt is striking. I don't know that any of the other coasters I have measure= d make that kind of intense "valley" on almost every hill. What I was noticing was it was short after the third hill. Using the 0.25g= and below as "quarter time" Diamondback had 32 counts (about 1.5 seconds) = at 0.25g or less, Mamba had over 100 (~ 5 seconds) [20 counts per second]. =20 I do still think most of the lateral elements were a waste. Wildthing gives better air (as does Mamba). The helix on Mamba is intense.= Raging Bull is weird. That makes each of them better then Diamondback in= my opinion.=20=20 The data for the ride is posted in the files section and no one has deleted= the graph for Mamba so it is there too. > Beast on the other hand, was indeed smooth, but has something like 18 mag= netic trim brakes installed throughout the course. Compared to my previous = rides on it (early 2001), I felt that they had ripped out the heart of the = rampaging romp through the woods that it used to be and replaced it with a = meandering stroll. Every time it starts to get moving, yet another trim gra= bs the train to remove the fun. >=20 > I know that all the people I spoke to pretty much said the same things to= me about BOTH rides.=20=20=20 >=20 > Chris=20=20=20 >=20 The trim brakes have been a complaint on the Beast since they were installe= d (in '02). If you caught a ride where you noticed them then yea, it reall= y makes the coaster seem crippled. There is a sweet spot where the ride is= gong fast but not fast enough to trip the brakes (It is very noticeable on= repeated rides under the roof moving south when the brakes are on and when= they are not.) My ride seemed like the brakes were left out for the most = part. I was focused on the new boards, looking for other changes / damage. = I don't know if I consider the changes an improvement or not. As to you original comment Chris: Have you ridden Mamba or Wildthing? My = "unfavorable" (I did say the air was good on the first two hills) "qualitat= ive" impression of Diamondback is most based on my "more favorable" impress= ion of those two.=20=20 It is a good ride when I work it up for the website I am sure I will give i= t a 45 minute wait time. It is just for a much vaunted $22 million expense= I was hoping for the best mine ride ever. Alas I have older ones, I like = better. I also don't think this lives up the the parks tradition of record= breakers (Vortex) or originality (Bat, Flight of Fear).=20=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Apr 20 05:35:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18739 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 12:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 12:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 12:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2009 12:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2009 12:35:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:35:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.184.110.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: SFNO: a brand in danger of disappearing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=cysGp8tVHT9XpwH2CE5DvETN4yr3KLv4gIy5ydzBZ1_ZWiZ6e2ktgbw5Cg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 heh. friend emailed me this story from MSN about "14 brands in danger of di= sappearing". aside from the usual suspects like Hummer Vehicles, #2 on the = list was SFNO; http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/14-brands-in-danger-of= -disappearing-slides.aspx?slide-number=3D2 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 20 07:12:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72794 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 14:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 14:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.145) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 14:12:28 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so847956qwj.50 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.45.203 with SMTP id g11mr6072978vcf.70.1240236688605; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=r1r-yYDMVRT2-rf8dcpHY4cgK7VoNn8Q31ErgtxOH6MWeZ7F30_ClM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The trim brakes have been a complaint on the Beast since they were installed > (in '02). If you caught a ride where you noticed them then yea, it really > makes the coaster seem crippled. There is a sweet spot where the ride is > gong fast but not fast enough to trip the brakes (It is very noticeable on > repeated rides under the roof moving south when the brakes are on and when > they are not.) That's simply not true. The magnetic brakes on the Beast are fixed (meaning they are ALWAYS on). They cannot be turned off, and they are not "on" or "off" depending on the speed of the train. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Apr 20 07:25:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55055 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 14:25:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 14:25:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 14:25:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18627 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 14:24:40 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 Apr 2009 14:24:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49EC85A6.1020603@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:24:38 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b10 (Windows/2009032714) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hLsFZxRc6emxpk7Pw4SUMVCCsYOk6r-U1lQoWwf0Pbyj6b6u X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> The trim brakes have been a complaint on the Beast since they were installed >> (in '02). If you caught a ride where you noticed them then yea, it really >> makes the coaster seem crippled. There is a sweet spot where the ride is >> gong fast but not fast enough to trip the brakes (It is very noticeable on >> repeated rides under the roof moving south when the brakes are on and when >> they are not.) > > That's simply not true. The magnetic brakes on the Beast are fixed > (meaning they are ALWAYS on). They cannot be turned off, and they are > not "on" or "off" depending on the speed of the train. Right .. and remember also that the braking force generated by the magnetic brakes is directly proportional to the speed of the train. The faster the train, the stronger the braking force .. so you're actually likely to feel the brakes less when the train is moving slower :) Cameron. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Apr 20 07:26:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88379 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 14:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 14:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 14:26:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27588 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 14:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 Apr 2009 14:26:10 -0000 Message-ID: <49EC8600.3090901@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:26:08 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b10 (Windows/2009032714) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=rTyqlqbxkL0T2Cukg5YsuSkGyfinCJTkorkL_dcAz7k6AMIp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > It is just for a much vaunted $22 million expense I was hoping for the best mine ride ever. ?? Diamond Back is themed to a mine-train? Cameron. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Apr 20 07:39:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45506 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 14:38:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 14:38:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.145) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 14:38:56 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1185551qwk.14 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:37:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.97.75 with SMTP id k11mr6138931vcn.39.1240238276172; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:37:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49EC85A6.1020603@buzzneon.com> References: <49EC85A6.1020603@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ZtCWwOXxJsNEiR5VqYGioosMssnEV4860GQOLT6Ij66vOaMR8Xzhm20 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Right .. and remember also that the braking force generated by the > magnetic brakes is directly proportional to the speed of the train. The > faster the train, the stronger the braking force .. so you're actually > likely to feel the brakes less when the train is moving slower :) True. But it's impossible to get a "trimless" ride on the Beast. And a slow ride before the brakes is going to be an even slower one after them, whether or not the brakes seemed weaker than usual. -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Apr 20 09:36:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91005 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 16:36:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 16:36:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 16:36:35 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so1412748ywt.41 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.19.68 with SMTP id z4mr3428758iba.7.1240245378066; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49EC8600.3090901@buzzneon.com> References: <49EC8600.3090901@buzzneon.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:36:18 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0904200936l7b37dbeaj8fcf8f69086c2128@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Diamondback Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=_Z_svq-H2kLPRnsFZiaR2qfPixeHW5o411xvRDJhw2nIdKI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I'm pretty sure Jon has begun referring to all non looping steel coasters as mine trains. I'm not sure of the logic behind this, but it's probably best to leave it alone for now. -MikeSKA (typically is underwhelmed by b&m hypers, but still finds them to be some of the most fun and enjoyable rides on the planet...I'm just an intamin boy) On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Cameron Silver wro= te: > > > >> It is just for a much vaunted $22 million expense I was hoping for the >> best mine ride ever. > > ?? 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--YCalReminder=AeKLagiy1rEDFRaZOX1240725041-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 17:38:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36667 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2009 00:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2009 00:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2009 00:38:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77430 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2009 00:37:39 -0000 Message-ID: <932130.76803.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: N8Tmm5AVM1nnhHZG9B2YCnP.DqGweHEtbSNRilP0krdNxyb8SxyLvhqC8_AHupEC.VTM9rP5DJYeekzlmAS82h3l0JnZiAP3PqDwluiUSJlUVPim154x_ad9hfDkPQJQPie4bsHCv8sCHKgkh9t1HfrloZxVN_rKWbywyhemsBn9ZG1Qb82u1QN8cCsAeNFC.MeveXcgR1NYbfQe8PVTSosKX1uKSiFSfuwup7H.ZcilM9lWCdkgdQ3anb3uk2xbHRz4TlRwusIaYdKsDHX15hIAIgczLAtfw54CgLtvxCi2VSNZBD01x0si6J2KdlZDPdZI3Rc62JhY7bKyJgfuKIs67uIs3Cq95p1urg-- X-Received: from [72.70.232.219] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:37:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:37:38 -0700 (PDT) To: Dave Anderson , Rich Boehmer , RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: MISC: Flat models X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=3HG24Ld6mMX5r04L2ATu_9TaiYZW-KkH1tyRsJU8pt20RkZzeNEU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here is a collection of absolutely amazing flat ride models: Jay From kbenner69@yahoo.com Mon Apr 27 15:51:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kbenner69@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65327 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2009 22:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2009 22:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2009 22:51:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2009 22:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2009 22:51:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:51:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.148.182.212 From: "Kevin Benner" Subject: Cedar Point Advice Please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=168108159; y=DcwznqLwGTcJVZISg5I2nIjnIFwMWZhzeU6koi9Cs8SklD7f X-Yahoo-Profile: kbenner69 Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions to ask. I'm from West Pal= m Beach and get to travel to Tampa & Orlando to visit the several parks in = that area. I'm finally getting a chance to visit Cedar Point! I have several quest= ions and need your help! Has anyone ever attended Coaster Mania? Would it be worth it for me to = attend or just go on my own during a couple of weekdays when it may be less= crowded? This year it is on June 5th & 6th. Any experiences? How about places to stay in the Sandusky area? Can't afford to stay on= the grounds so any motel info is needed. I plan to call some motels to fin= d out if there is a shuttle van to the park. Any input about Coaster Mania, the park itself, places to stay, times = to attend etc... is welcomed. If anyone would tell me about their experienc= e at Cedar Point and what a first (possibly only) time visitor should do pl= ease tell me! Thanks! Kevin. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Apr 27 19:50:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90926 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 02:50:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2009 02:50:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 02:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2009 02:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2009 02:50:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:50:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.56 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Manta Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=O9jFh7MJnlGuwXzKlbxovZAmW8Ws9z2sDnLRwE1AfemPaBkoOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 If anyone is in ACE and interested in attending the Media event for Manta..= . Quote:=20 Greetings ACE members:=20 I am pleased to announce that we have been invited to attend the Media Even= t for Manta at SeaWorld!=20 There are many things you need to know, so please read this email in its en= tirety before responding.=20 The Manta Media Event will take place on May 20th and 21st. There are 3 shi= fts available over the two days which will allow many ACE members the oppor= tunity to participate. Here are things you need to know:=20 1. Until I have a clear idea on how many wish to participate, the initial r= egistration will be for ACE members ONLY. If there are slots available afte= r the initial registration period I will open the event to guests. I will s= end a follow up email if guests will be allowed.=20 2. You must present your valid gACE member card and a photo ID at the media= day check-in to be admitted.=20 3. The height requirement for Manta is 54 inches, please do not sign up you= r younger ACE members if they do not meet the minimum height.=20 4. You must wear closed toe shoes. Absolutely no flip flops, sandals or cro= cs.=20 5. You may wear shorts, however, they cannot be short shorts that could exp= ose part of your derriere in flight. Cargo shorts/knee length shorts are yo= ur best bet.=20 6. NO COMPETING PARK SHIRTS. This should go without saying but I need to re= mind everyone of this. You may wear an gACE shirt (as long as it does not a= dvertise a previous ACE event), or a plain shirt. Absolutely no company log= os, favorite coaster (including SeaWorld) or favorite character/show shirts= .=20 7. If you are camera shy, please do not sign up. According to my contact th= ere will be lots of media from all over the world in attendance (remember w= e are a worldwide destination), so there is a chance someone may want to sp= eak with you. Remember, we are there to help the park promote their new coa= ster and media always enjoys talking to ACE members since this is our passi= on.=20 8. Special consideration will be given to those that fluently speak languag= es other than English, especially Spanish or Portuguese. As I mentioned in = #7, there will be media from all over and my contact specifically asked if = we had members that were fluent in those languages. Remember, this is a med= ia event not an ACE event, and we have been honored to help the park promot= e Manta in any way we can. When you request to attend, please mention if yo= u fluently speak a language other than English. Fluently being the operativ= e word....a year of high school Spanish does not count.=20 9. You are required to be available for your entire shift(s). No partial sh= ifts allowed.=20 10. All ACE rules for conduct apply.=20 Here are the times available. Please note these times are subject to change= . I will notify you if any adjustments in time are made.=20 Wednesday May 20th:=20 6:30am - 2:00 pm=20 Thursday May 21st:=20 5:00am - Noon=20 Noon - 7:00pm=20 To sign up, email me at ckraftchick@aceonline.org with the following inform= ation.=20 -gACE Member name(s) and ACE member number(s). This number is found on your= ACE card.=20 -Preferred shift #1=20 -Preferred shift #2=20 -Preferred shift #3=20 OR you can say available any day/any shift, or even both days all shifts.=20 -Fluent second language (if applicable).=20 - What state you are coming from.=20 Registration will run from today until April 29th (longer if needed). Once = registration closes I will schedule the shifts based on your preferences. I= will then email everyone to let you know what time(s) & day(s) you will be= attending. PLEASE only sign up if you are absolutely sure you can attend.= =20 Please make sure you monitor your email as I will acknowledge your request = to attend, and keep everyone updated to any unexpected changes to the event= times/dates or registration process.=20 I look forward to riding Manta with you!!=20 Chris Kraftchick=20 Regional Rep, FL=20 American Coaster Enthusiasts=20 From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Apr 27 20:29:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16845 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 03:29:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2009 03:29:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.12.55) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 03:29:40 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 15186386 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:28:24 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 10978 invoked by uid 99); 28 Apr 2009 03:28:24 -0000 Date: 27 Apr 2009 22:28:24 -0500 X-Received: from 76.204.93.25 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:28:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3d5df6799855872e0f21b0118f267645.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:28:24 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.12.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cedar Point Advice Please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=TRTvf50mUY4uiMFCCnQrQYPfISsuLBYXZaL42R-WHeqPsnag X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 In past years, the "Choice Hotels" chain of hotels have run shuttle buses between most of their properties and the park on a hourly basis. On several different trips, I have stayed at the Rodeway Inn that is about two miles south of the park. David Rounds > How about places to stay in the Sandusky area? Can't afford to stay > on the grounds so any motel info is needed. I plan to call some > motels to find out if there is a shuttle van to the park. > Thanks! > Kevin. > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Apr 28 05:41:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1918 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 12:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2009 12:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 12:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Lymci-00013K-S1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:41:20 -0400 Message-ID: <49F6F96B.4090000@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:41:15 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478eae09f65131c9d1f85a17b8f27adb5db47f3766457075bf4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Manta Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=gzY6zHM3g6yUQguOy_ZKU6P0_F2Xm1IfrT49Uhld078BRZo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > > > If anyone is in ACE and interested in attending the Media event for Manta... > FLCC will also be out there. I'm waiting to here which shift or shifts I get, but will likely be there on Weds, and possibly the Thursday morning shift. I here they are talking about doing soft openings starting next week and that she's already ready to go! One thing I would caution, for those that have not been to a media day before, this is not a ride marathon. You are there for a purpose- to make the ride and park look good for the various forms of media (reporters, news cameras, video, etc.). There is a lot of standing around and waiting, stand around and wait some more, get a ride, stand around and wait, etc. You will also may have a camera or microphone put in your face at some point- at that point you NEED to be able to say good things about the park and ride. If you're not sure if you can do that, then don't go. Media Days are not for everyone. I think in 8 hours at SheiKra's media day I got in 6-8 rides, maybe. I got more in the employee previews than I did on Media Day. Many of them also don't include food- be prepared to have to go buy what you want to eat. keep on ridin George From eddoiii@yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 09:28:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: eddoiii@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10691 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 16:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2009 16:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 16:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2009 16:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2009 16:27:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:27:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.16.64.46 From: "Ed" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Advice Please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160925110; y=akhSUqgQBvWYDfuxNk6ICbl-UEcsSKcxqK-0ri8wyPVXQA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterrider69 When I go down I stay at Breakers Express for the cost difference for the h= otels that are farther away is made up by the packages witch include parkin= g and park tickets and enter the park early good coaster ride time. I went during coaster mania once and I will not go again very full and the = lines for the rides were at the longest I have ever seen, middle of the wee= k best times to go the rides are all the same and even better when the line= s are short. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Benner" wr= ote: > > Hello, I'm new here and I have a few questions to ask. I'm from West P= alm Beach and get to travel to Tampa & Orlando to visit the several parks i= n that area. > I'm finally getting a chance to visit Cedar Point! I have several que= stions and need your help! > Has anyone ever attended Coaster Mania? Would it be worth it for me t= o attend or just go on my own during a couple of weekdays when it may be le= ss crowded? This year it is on June 5th & 6th. Any experiences? > How about places to stay in the Sandusky area? Can't afford to stay = on the grounds so any motel info is needed. I plan to call some motels to f= ind out if there is a shuttle van to the park. > Any input about Coaster Mania, the park itself, places to stay, time= s to attend etc... is welcomed. If anyone would tell me about their experie= nce at Cedar Point and what a first (possibly only) time visitor should do = please tell me! > Thanks! > Kevin. > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 18:02:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86712 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2009 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2009 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2009 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2009 01:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2009 01:01:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:01:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49F6F96B.4090000@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Manta Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=rkkNB5JhUpAEuET0xVDkjP6oFjaJEnP41p1q7BnHyC-DK15LfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Chris wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > If anyone is in ACE and interested in attending the Media event for Man= ta... > >=20 >=20 > FLCC will also be out there. I'm waiting to here which shift or shifts=20 > I get, but will likely be there on Weds, and possibly the Thursday=20 > morning shift. I here they are talking about doing soft openings=20 > starting next week and that she's already ready to go! >=20 > keep on ridin > George > Well, I've been confirmed for the 2nd shift, so I hope to see you there, Ge= orge! (And for longer than 5 minutes this time. ;) Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Apr 28 18:17:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93119 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2009 01:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2009 01:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2009 01:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LyyQE-0000JS-Tl for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:17:14 -0400 Message-ID: <49F7AA96.2010100@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:17:10 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478eae09f65131c9d1ff5e52cb5b6d5ce05a14edb6c4c3f426e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Manta Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=fHv-taaPMgBY7_wAo5guJy3qJK2X0Nic1FJL-aU2KZHwejo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > FLCC will also be out there. I'm waiting to here which shift or shifts > > I get, but will likely be there on Weds, and possibly the Thursday > > morning shift. I here they are talking about doing soft openings > > starting next week and that she's already ready to go! > > > > keep on ridin > > George > > > > Well, I've been confirmed for the 2nd shift, so I hope to see you there, > George! (And for longer than 5 minutes this time. ;) > > Chris You mean the early Thursday one? Now I'm really going to push to try to make sure we get that one. I definitely want to be able to make it for more than 5 minutes. keep on ridin' George From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Apr 28 22:51:30 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16846 invoked by uid 7800); 29 Apr 2009 05:51:26 -0000 Date: 29 Apr 2009 05:51:26 -0000 Message-ID: <1240984286.11.16845.m2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=jurSyrpYdRl5lRT2eSV1240984217-1" --YCalReminder=jurSyrpYdRl5lRT2eSV1240984217-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Kings Island opened Wednesday April 29, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Kings Mills, Ohio Notes: On this date in 1972, Kings Island opened. 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--YCalReminder=jurSyrpYdRl5lRT2eSV1240984217-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 17:22:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89506 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2009 00:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2009 00:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.57) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 00:22:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7932 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2009 00:21:24 -0000 Message-ID: <594365.6607.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cwZ4g.EVM1mxrVmpSfGedonPxmp7UJd1i3quA8iqrWFN2NvsoGqSPO4VWBzXLYV3ibiTDpVuuHfH5S3cbj8I2WcqtkUbGGhoVWkqXvpG__wiHtWbRsh5EA6B7Wg8vOxaMEA0NylqTUBasdQSL20adp3AQWWDxRhv1c5p4DNyfG0qyVt4BAfJTqq6EgoQKT_m.OUmLDUhomBtwQNieIeEORhnlum4U1nrJp83wqmwb2vlTX3.KMErefZXQ.NlLsuI16Dv2toGS34MRUvE1gtWjdOf1hCRhexSgj92eXPljAbC82tGJV.PqbFS.GwgYfMVU50omY8w.xTbl.wHi.dBZB7F.uMlzw-- X-Received: from [72.70.232.219] by web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:21:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:21:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Cedar Point Advice Please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ptm7rHIM7MX6vQhQyaFDQGUgjQTZRWEPO0PEt_oCsW7CQIzoiGjb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The Maples Motel is just down the street from the CP causeway and has comfortable cabin-style rooms and reasonable rates. But actually I've found really good deals at the Breaker's, CP's hotel right on the causeway. There aren't any shuttles to the park from there, though. You have to take your own car (and pay parking). But if you stay for two or more days, you can get a package deal with tickets to the park. Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 22:27:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8211 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2009 05:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2009 05:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 05:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2009 05:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2009 05:27:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:27:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <594365.6607.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.214.53.4 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Cedar Point Advice Please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=aEtYjFmRelGnU48gai8q1ZlsrytAK7wNLN3q5rbgOz28yw17YUit X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Not sure about places to stay. (we live 50 min away) But I can give some = advice for dates. Basically, the earlier you can go the better. CP opens = 5/16 and is open on weekdays after that. If you can get there on a weekday= , while school is still in session, you will have the park pretty much to y= ourself. You can't predict senior skip day, but even that is still fine, j= ust overrun with annoying HS kids. June is still pretty good. As I said, = we live 50 minutes away, but even we do not go to CP in July or August. Fo= rget about it, it is too crowded.=20=20 Razzle Dazzle bitches, tommytheduck From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Apr 30 08:02:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42680 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2009 15:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2009 15:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f171.google.com) (209.85.221.171) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 15:02:13 -0000 X-Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so3745501qyk.22 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.19.198 with SMTP id c6mr1458352ibb.46.1241103671782; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:01:11 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0904300801t47acc3e6l98af697bb4d53b98@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Freestyle Park- Hopefully the pink is a primer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=N0QzdXANkpD8L9WR9J_OJ6km3AQdoPjV4xRwul5R0IdsHbs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw this on Lance's site this morning: http://discovermyrtlebeachforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2174 I guess the new theme for the Led Zep B&M is "Tampax- The Ride". Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Apr 30 17:41:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51385 invoked from network); 1 May 2009 00:41:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2009 00:41:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2009 00:41:14 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LzgoU-0004f9-L3 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:41:14 -0400 Message-ID: <49FA4525.9060301@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:41:09 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478594a5b3a834a310e88fdb3d983b3dab4b1f9f10a05be523f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Manta Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Sao1ADY2hzsjQlzLrEuMFE3vDu7pPALJO5kL94UttXuF7LM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > Well, I've been confirmed for the 2nd shift, so I hope to see you there, > George! (And for longer than 5 minutes this time. ;) I know at least at this point that I'll be there on Weds for that day. Haven't received word yet on Thursday. Hopefully will have that in a couple of days. If I don't get Thurs, then maybe I'll just have to find time to renew my platinum passes again so we can show up on Thursday as well. Won't be able to get into the media day stuff, but when you're done we could at least do Kraken and JTA. That's if we're not in that shift as well. I know we've got the one, just don't know if we'll have 2 or 3. :) keep on ridin' George From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 30 22:51:41 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9038 invoked by uid 7800); 1 May 2009 05:51:37 -0000 Date: 1 May 2009 05:51:37 -0000 Message-ID: <1241157097.10.9037.m2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=qjhb4aVAsmcgq7QCLP1241157064-1" --YCalReminder=qjhb4aVAsmcgq7QCLP1241157064-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Disney-MGM Studios Friday May 1, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=qLPlxoFuh3wLrEKDZfEH1241157064-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri May 01 11:07:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2675 invoked from network); 1 May 2009 18:07:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2009 18:07:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2009 18:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2009 18:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2009 18:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2009 18:07:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 18:07:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Prowler POV videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=aBZVGZ1CnBIG2u8jtCU0v7D4qgo-zrVdiqAn3tPnaWnebdjL5baR X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Check out the difference between the original Computer preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIvI0xRV0QY4 and the real thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIvI0xRV0QY4 Not quite the high speed romp through the woods as originally advertised, h= uh? Still looks fun though. Razzle dazzle bitches! -Tommytheduck From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri May 01 12:26:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59339 invoked from network); 1 May 2009 19:26:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2009 19:26:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2009 19:25:59 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1536991yxg.43 for ; Fri, 01 May 2009 12:24:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.102.15 with SMTP id z15mr2153748agb.24.1241205899710; Fri, 01 May 2009 12:24:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:24:59 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905011224g3d873448t10e04ec2d5221917@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Prowler POV videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=IvY4GIYoIdRE4hgS173L1vBsSruTKsPBMDWqRA5Ho1sWe65e-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Brian, You posted the same video twice. :) Here's the real POV - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbfXIWyuPJZE Josh On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:07 PM, tommytheduck wrote= : > > > Check out the difference between the original Computer preview: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIvI0xRV0QY4 > > and the real thing: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIvI0xRV0QY4 > > Not quite the high speed romp through the woods as originally advertised, > huh? Still looks fun though. > > Razzle dazzle bitches! > > -Tommytheduck > >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 01 15:59:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68469 invoked from network); 1 May 2009 22:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2009 22:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.132.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2009 22:59:37 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c35so1903894anc.16 for ; Fri, 01 May 2009 15:59:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.38.13 with SMTP id z13mr61079ibd.18.1241218766373; Fri, 01 May 2009 15:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00032555150aa885720468e1c351@google.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 22:59:26 +0000 To: coastertalk X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: natekohlrusch@gmail.com Subject: MISC: Pilgrim's Plunge ( Oops!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=zHPiCan5LxZ8sQzSniah1cew-91GpjTLrwtHV8RpySbX88lQhRIb5-c X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I kinda' hate to do this because I really love Holiday World, but I seriously laughed out loud when I watched this video: http://tinyurl.com/c9lwuf How impressive!! ;) (And yes, I know they're supposedly working on it...) -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri May 01 17:56:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28029 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 00:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2009 00:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f220.google.com) (209.85.217.220) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2009 00:56:29 -0000 X-Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so5304801gxk.9 for ; Fri, 01 May 2009 17:55:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.99.3 with SMTP id w3mr1695164agb.94.1241225742365; Fri, 01 May 2009 17:55:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00032555150aa885720468e1c351@google.com> References: <00032555150aa885720468e1c351@google.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905011755yb8e6de3u6afd579ba0e95d98@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Pilgrim's Plunge ( Oops!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=YPW5GqEheLp5xMzFnPlWXiH9hsY6Xzv2LIJzLjsa7uG_DPo2ew X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Well, now this looks better: http://tinyurl.com/dkmjkp I know Paula said they were more concerned with getting it open, and now they're going to work on the splash but I dunno... Josh On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM, wrote: > > > I kinda' hate to do this because I really love Holiday World, but I > seriously laughed out loud when I watched this video: > http://tinyurl.com/c9lwuf > > How impressive!! ;) > > (And yes, I know they're supposedly working on it...) > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 From coasterkid610@yahoo.com Sat May 02 18:21:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterkid610@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35989 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 01:21:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2009 01:21:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2009 01:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2009 01:20:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2009 01:20:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 01:20:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.58.184.56 From: "Shane Guerin" Subject: Could I leave the group please? 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--YCalReminder=FVmT2NMMCTq6OHWCd7t3Z3AaLH1241416265-1-- From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon May 04 07:34:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84863 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 14:34:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2009 14:34:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 14:34:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2009 14:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2009 14:33:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 14:33:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.184.110.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: short TR: IOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=oTPnLHroDcHBgOAd0z6TfhRy8HUB4OWusBhpdOpzhCxgPrxvqs6cm_C6GQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 went to IOA for the first time in about 3 years on saturday. despite my tre= pidation, the park was not as crowded as i expected it to be. we rode Hulk = first, which only had about a 10 minute wait. Of course, the key there was = multiple trains running. i want to say there were 3, but cant swear. great = ride as always, and thanks to the child swap program, both my wife and i we= re able to ride despite having out 3 year old son with us.=20 wife rode the Tower of Terror ride next, which i passed on. im not a launch= tower person. again, it was only about a 5 or 10 minute wait. after that w= e went over to the Seuss area. i have to say the theming in the park always= impresses me, no more so than in this section. most of the rides here i ha= d never ridden before, and everything was so well done. Cat in the Hat was = a cute dark ride, though even the spins on that made me a bit nauseous. One= Fish Two Fish got us just wet enough. the train that runs overhead of the = section didnt even exist the first time we got there and was a nice additio= n. the only complaint i have is the kids run-around area was not shaded and= didnt really have a lot going on. aside from a couple of slides and some h= alf-hearted water sprayers, theres not a lot to do for kids. but the rest o= f the section is top notch. from there wondered over to the Lost Continent section, which is being redo= ne to be themed to Harry Potter. unfortunately, that means that to ride Due= ling Dragons, you have to detour over to the Jurassic area, and then detour= again to more or less go back to the Lost Continent section. very annoying= . but again, it was only about a 15 minute wait for Fire, and a little long= er for Ice. and yes, they were timing them nicely to go out together. both = sides were flying, and running quite well.=20 its funny-i never really thought about the impact of having school or band = or church trips going to parks and their effect on wait time. a ride can go= from a 5 minute wait to a 15 or 20 minute wait just by having some huge gr= oup of kids in matching t-shirts flood the queue, which is what happened to= Ice. the wait time grew simply by having about 50 kids suddenly show up al= l at once. the child swap program doesnt work as well here, due to the dark ambiance a= nd the layout of the loading station. in fact, i didnt care for the way the= program worked at all. having to go in through the exit of the ride is a r= ecipe for disaster, especially if you are pushing a stroller. but still, at= least the park does it at all. so in the end, for both of us to ride both = sides seperately, it only took about 45 minutes or so.=20 after that, we ate at Mythos, the nicer sit down restaurant across from Pos= idon. the selection was kinda meh, and some meals were definitely better th= an others. but its nice to have some options other than the usual hot dogs/= chicken fingers/pizza choices. and you got a combo deal if you used your AE= card, which we did. so not bad and nice to sit down and get out of the hea= t.=20 After that naturally we went to Jurassic, where my son rode what is now his= tallest ride so far, the Peteradon Flyers. i have to say i was surprised t= hat the ride height was as short as it was. seems like sort of a danger for= a 3 year old, but a lot of small kids were riding it, and no tears or cryi= ng from any of them either, so i guess it wasnt bad. my wife rode with my s= on, so i hung out by the exit, watching the loading team. and i have to say= , they were solid, loading and unloading with amazing capacity. it was impr= essive to watch. and my son seemed to love the ride, despite some of the mo= re wild turns. afterward, we ran around Camp Jurassic some.=20 then it was over to Toon Lagoon. im still not sure what that is about. i do= nt know anyone under the age of like 35 who knows who any of those characte= rs are. Its a really nice area, but its sort of ridiculous to theme it the = way it is when no child would recognize any of the characters. but all the = same, there are some fun water and play areas there. Ripsaw Falls wasnt run= ning due to some malfunction, which was disappointing. but still, we has so= me fun playing around here, shooting the various water cannons at folks rid= ing Bluto's Barges.=20 at this point it was getting close to closing time (cant remember the last = time i stayed at a park from open to close), so we let our son run around S= eussland for a while longer, getting some re-rides before heading out. overall was a good day. most of the concessions were fairly priced, it wasn= t too hot or crowded, and most everything was running, with multiple trains= if needed. and we got in our son free to boot, which was nice as hes 3 now= , but the gate attendant didnt seem to notice. so all in all, a great day.= =20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon May 04 08:12:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12943 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 15:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2009 15:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 15:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M0zqH-0000O3-2T for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 04 May 2009 11:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: <49FF05D5.4090705@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:12:21 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <49FA4525.9060301@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <49FA4525.9060301@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478594a5b3a834a310e25a98d7c7540b606b880b18dd822da67350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Manta Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=gIhgJvuX4Dr_wEfd0zqJ4L2vifd49Upzw_i6JO5pOooX-M0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Sorry about the multiple posts. keep hoping someone else will comment as well. :) george burnash wrote: > Chris wrote: > > > > > Well, I've been confirmed for the 2nd shift, so I hope to see you there, > > George! (And for longer than 5 minutes this time. ;) > We're now on for both Weds and Thurs mornings, so we'll see you there. Bout time, after how many years of trying? Soft openings are supposed to start tomorrow! Anyone else making it to media days, or to any of the soft openings? keep on ridin' George From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon May 04 17:40:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66410 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 00:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 00:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 00:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 00:40:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 00:40:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 00:40:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 00:40:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49FF05D5.4090705@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.184.110.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: MISC: Manta Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=sxDHOCqDFeJHv2V4wbLhsFm4zxTGHOelVIXMdYPTj_f7Plkea7wuWuGTpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Sorry about the multiple posts. keep hoping someone else will comment=20 > as well. :) i wish i could go, but i dont think ill even be in the state, let alone in = the area.=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon May 04 18:31:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78595 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 01:31:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 01:31:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 01:31:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 01:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 01:31:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 01:31:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49FF05D5.4090705@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.130.56 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Manta Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=SvksXBWEasmgIEmztV-tGP7IVviiZtm0NqkfHc8A9QQCNUkBEA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I actually surprised myself by signing up for this. After going 15 years be= tween Florida visits, to be going twice in the same year? :o Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Sorry about the multiple posts. keep hoping someone else will comment=20 > as well. :) >=20 > george burnash wrote: >=20 > > Chris wrote: > >=20 > > > > > > Well, I've been confirmed for the 2nd shift, so I hope to see you th= ere, > > > George! (And for longer than 5 minutes this time. ;) > >=20 >=20 > We're now on for both Weds and Thurs mornings, so we'll see you there.=20 > Bout time, after how many years of trying? >=20 > Soft openings are supposed to start tomorrow! Anyone else making it to=20 > media days, or to any of the soft openings? >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon May 04 22:50:41 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11552 invoked by uid 7800); 5 May 2009 05:50:34 -0000 Date: 5 May 2009 05:50:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1241502634.468.11528.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=XOEZJfmrH71RdxuImqczh66Xueq3YP1241502619-1" --YCalReminder=XOEZJfmrH71RdxuImqczh66Xueq3YP1241502619-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Lakeside Amusement Park opened Tuesday May 5, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=XOEZJfmrH71RdxuImqczh66Xueq3YP1241502619-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon May 04 22:51:33 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95560 invoked by uid 7800); 5 May 2009 05:51:33 -0000 Date: 5 May 2009 05:51:33 -0000 Message-ID: <1241502693.9.95559.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=ETjgOYV6OrcODL1241502618-1" --YCalReminder=ETjgOYV6OrcODL1241502618-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Zooland opened Tuesday May 5, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Taejon, South Korea Notes: On this date in 2004, Zooland opened its gates in Taejon, South Korea. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=ETjgOYV6OrcODL1241502618-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=ETjgOYV6OrcODL1241502618-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue May 05 20:09:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78194 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 03:09:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 03:09:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 03:09:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 03:09:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 03:09:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 03:09:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Kings Island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=wRGeJ7Yj9wxyrnoRNfsm2ZGDYxFv6r0NxL6iiGiybfzOg_ry3zZo X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck We're thinking of driving down to KI this weekend. What will the crowds be= like? Will it be worth the trip? Razzle dazzle bitches, -Tommytheduck From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue May 05 22:51:35 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26106 invoked by uid 7800); 6 May 2009 05:51:28 -0000 Date: 6 May 2009 05:51:28 -0000 Message-ID: <1241589088.519.26079.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=VPPMV18kARw5OHqmNdDG1241589012-1" --YCalReminder=VPPMV18kARw5OHqmNdDG1241589012-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Magnum XL-200 opened Wednesday May 6, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Sandusky, Ohio Notes: Magnum XL-200 opens on this date in 1989, at Cedar Point in Sandusky, OH. This was the first roller coaster to break the 200' height barrier. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=VPPMV18kARw5OHqmNdDG1241589012-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=VPPMV18kARw5OHqmNdDG1241589012-1-- From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed May 06 06:12:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2097 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 13:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 13:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 13:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 13:11:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 13:11:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:11:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1241589088.519.26079.m5@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.250.223.218 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=5Oim6mN7JwoUr-yIP7KL5Z6bMFYC8xBg1RiyKcsSzIesqd41cQJ- X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com= wrote: > > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal >=20 > Magnum XL-200 opened > Wednesday May 6, 2009 > All Day > (This event repeats every year.) > Location: Sandusky, Ohio >=20 > Notes: > Magnum XL-200 opens on this date in 1989, at Cedar Point in Sandusky, OH.= This was the first roller coaster to break the 200' height barrier. >=20 >=20 > All Rights Reserved > Copyright =A9 2009=20 > Yahoo! Inc. > http://www.yahoo.com >=20 > Privacy Policy: > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us >=20 > Terms of Service: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > Happy Birthday, Maggie! 20's a big one, and I still luv ya! Mike From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 06 06:48:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97402 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 13:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 13:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.189) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 13:48:48 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y18so6168gvf.38 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:48:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.86.134 with SMTP id s6mr2922982vcl.4.1241617726216; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:48:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1241589088.519.26079.m5@yahoogroups.com> References: <1241589088.519.26079.m5@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=E257XAvtIUK022VVeep0y-HXQT030AiMZ_06GZalkwSCrFyznnTSA48 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Notes:=A0Magnum XL-200 opens on this date in 1989, at Cedar Point in Sand= usky, > OH. This was the first roller coaster to break the 200' height barrier. It was not, however, the first piece of crap that Arrow churned out in the 80's. ;) -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed May 06 09:29:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79812 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 16:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 16:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 16:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 16:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 16:28:57 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 16:28:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 369933.44026.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 60217 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2009 16:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <711294.53655.qm@web45914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1yZc.mIVM1n0nE.hsf.FDxqccyMnrAW8PYhLBAg2G8MJJU0kRvndwJVYJRwD090jSfmcezcSpto2LSR18CeH1JTRARuRzeHlJgWmRVuOeDf9DD7.ZI0t8c3wuSF3z8X6KNnQ4RsFa7yNPFgUrDJ6Rpkti1xkSbhMjDR4Z4WaJERJcHnwEybXDOrTWr.rfwrzbeljJrcyrotgTk2tBvv3HNj.MdTj_L1cqTTfadG1LO_bT5C9ssCQivxH1EENS2OhBnK7K5uMVC78m3g5d6SgjCLFkUkxIP.Xeg8eQAndT10pj3oq2JA- X-Received: from [74.199.108.21] by web45914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 09:28:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:28:56 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: RE: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=qn_Rm7qMAWyq00iyzELCVVaipPY0f1QoBdvkQnMGCiucOEVkBfBv X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Thanks Briguy for the info. Upon further research, we found that Sunday is "Bring a friend for $9.99" day. This kinda puts a damper on our plans, because in past experience, these days can get rediculously crowded. Who knows? We want to do something fun this weekend, just not sure what. Razzle dazzle bitches, -tommytheduck From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri May 08 22:51:42 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23801 invoked by uid 7800); 9 May 2009 05:51:38 -0000 Date: 9 May 2009 05:51:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1241848298.9.23800.m3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=087Zc4FY8shYUGenNAKg166rcRDtiEE1241848227-1" --YCalReminder=087Zc4FY8shYUGenNAKg166rcRDtiEE1241848227-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Batman The Ride (Illinois) opened Saturday May 9, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Gurnee, Illinois Notes: On this date in 1992, Batman The Ride opened at Six Flags Great America, in Gurnee, Illinois. Batman The Ride was the first Inverted Coaster; this type of coaster went on to be very successful for many manufactures. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=087Zc4FY8shYUGenNAKg166rcRDtiEE1241848227-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Batman The Ride (Illinois) opened
 
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Notes:   On this date in 1992, Batman The Ride opened at Six Flags Great America, in Gurnee, Illinois. Batman The Ride was the first Inverted Coaster; this type of coaster went on to be very successful for many manufactures.
 
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--YCalReminder=087Zc4FY8shYUGenNAKg166rcRDtiEE1241848227-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri May 08 22:51:45 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49555 invoked by uid 7800); 9 May 2009 05:51:43 -0000 Date: 9 May 2009 05:51:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1241848303.510.49540.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=0gk7zsXS6cddDhjSmEEYzMfKEO1241848227-1" --YCalReminder=0gk7zsXS6cddDhjSmEEYzMfKEO1241848227-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Big Bang Schtroumpf opened Saturday May 9, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Maizières-les-Metz, Lorraine, France Notes: On this date in 1989 Big Bang Schtroumpf park opened. Later - 1990 - to Walibi Schtroumpf. Then the name was change to Walibi Lorraine in 2003; then to Walygator Parc in 2007. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=0gk7zsXS6cddDhjSmEEYzMfKEO1241848227-1 Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252;
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Title:   Big Bang Schtroumpf opened
 
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--YCalReminder=0gk7zsXS6cddDhjSmEEYzMfKEO1241848227-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat May 09 17:19:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42818 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 00:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2009 00:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 00:19:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13990 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2009 00:19:19 -0000 Message-ID: <348051.12514.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bK2xSW8VM1nD7quMgoiSsSDc2pUiBWxJp7OUp85EpQ6WyUQjisQtc2zbeOTk0NLMb.LUJ_tazjAssg74jK8OEyPoaGDDlXvofaNGWsUJV3gW4Xh9upZ5UVlCN3BxWh8FhzJtBx5MS.5y.sz1wtAq1sE5ympTKjKpqgW.zoxj07T8Mq.dWM9f68mVCWBXCo9UwdcOO3YrWJqKly_ww5gmtVNhHucbqEyW1gPx48rf20n5M1JnyXCsCZxt4CEpnOd48XF5ARZfjzM- X-Received: from [72.70.250.5] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 May 2009 17:19:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:19:19 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Reply-To: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Anniversary Reminder (Walibi) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=lvETQY235UW6F52ogmfjBPvh14cV7ceqVCPkEMteahPRyonB2clh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >then to Walygator Parc in 2007< Seriously? As in the Hanna-Barbera Wally Gator? I wonder if any other park has gone through so many name changes in so short a time. Jay From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon May 11 06:42:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4281 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 13:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2009 13:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2009 13:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-24-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.24.241]:41019 helo=[10.0.1.198]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1M3Vkr-00057E-Nz for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:41:17 -0400 Message-Id: <573C4AF5-1AE6-4D30-A4D9-0BA0C33B25DB@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:41:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Lake Compounce Sunday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=SJjEiiYb-kt4Ki5Gne8mNWf58RQ0xNO1qHoMxy7FQMX76FwKDL-HxA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam I went to LC today with my kids (both over 48" now) and a couple of students from the law school, plus one student's kids. (They were winners of an auction item I donate for the law school auction, where I'll take them to either SFNE or LC and talk about amusement park safety and litigation and ride the rides.) We had a terrific day. It was pretty, if a little brisk, and the park was empty. Walked onto Boulderdash for most of the day, and lines were minimal everywhere else too. Alas, Wildcat was closed, but so it goes. Boulderdash was running as well as I remember it running -- smooth, fast, wild. I could tell there were changes on the return run, but it's been too long since I've been there to know for sure what the changes were. I vaguely remember trick track that's gone, is that right? Seemed to be replaced by a (sweet) double up? Employees were great, the park looked nice, etc., etc. Great day. Oh! And this was Liam's first time on a big coaster; I can't say he loved it, but he rode twice and later said it was his favorite thing. And Ella is utterly hooked, riding hands-up in the front seat multiple times. Whoo! From jjloj@netzero.net Tue May 12 05:45:23 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77352 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 12:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 12:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 12:45:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1242132312; bh=p2I8lqjm/GYW6DQekxeg6U7WpcTWthXPZme0M0KB4z4=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=ryiKxRoQS3AFPnDLhGbBRsjNkBnBq6sJjHFrfVSPSPLZAlZRRm4IxsfZMA5pymuPKTxhL2O3vpKam9ukuTV/O1+pzw+pkFfsDBi6rigLb8oLAgv80JhFnVk8rgmNG3eg Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 12:45:12 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 12:45:12 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25274 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 18:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 18:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 18:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 18:04:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 18:04:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:04:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <711294.53655.qm@web45914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=gUY2kHKeZyrlNJqwJ8q_YacTN_jT3xZ4KbbTSyez77U X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 12 May 2009 12:45:12 -0000 Sunday is Mother's Day and the other "Bring a Friend" day is Father's Day. = I think both days will be pretty low attendance and that is why the park i= s putting on the promo for pass holders. I asked several people (Including= Mom and Dad) and no one wanted to pass on Mother's / Father's Day activit= ies for the cheap entrance to the park. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, brian farral w= rote: > >=20 > Thanks Briguy for the info. Upon further research, we found that Sunday = is "Bring a friend for $9.99" day. This kinda puts a damper on our plans, = because in past experience, these days can get rediculously crowded. Who k= nows? We want to do something fun this weekend, just not sure what. >=20 > Razzle dazzle bitches, > -tommytheduck > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue May 12 06:23:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41421 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 13:23:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 13:23:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 13:23:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 13:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 13:23:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:22:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.187.85 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=zWECHYK4I6iw4Yy_dxvv3Ph-6CmIGPUEc215q0sRa0Oq8BYDSg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Mother's Day is definitely a traditionally slow day at amusement parks, but= Father's Day is usually the busier of the two. Occasionally, they can get = busy, though.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" wrote: > > Sunday is Mother's Day and the other "Bring a Friend" day is Father's Day= . I think both days will be pretty low attendance and that is why the park= is putting on the promo for pass holders. I asked several people (Includi= ng Mom and Dad) and no one wanted to pass on Mother's / Father's Day activ= ities for the cheap entrance to the park. >=20 >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, brian farral wr= ote: > > > >=20 > > Thanks Briguy for the info. Upon further research, we found that Sunda= y is "Bring a friend for $9.99" day. This kinda puts a damper on our plans= , because in past experience, these days can get rediculously crowded. Who= knows? We want to do something fun this weekend, just not sure what. > >=20 > > Razzle dazzle bitches, > > -tommytheduck > > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 12 08:34:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85918 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 15:33:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 15:33:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 15:33:55 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so20256anc.28 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:33:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.132.4 with SMTP id f4mr20417417and.109.1242142393349; Tue, 12 May 2009 08:33:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905120833p3b257f8y5036e17d3912f226@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=epKgbUKOBbOnOzmgrP6F8rWjAeOQ_jgI57J1XqYh1oZ04YLlCA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Not to mention, King's Island on a "bring a friend" day, is always traditionally JAMMED, from what I've seen. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Chris wrote: > > > Mother's Day is definitely a traditionally slow day at amusement parks, b= ut > Father's Day is usually the busier of the two. Occasionally, they can get > busy, though. > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Osborn" wrote: >> >> Sunday is Mother's Day and the other "Bring a Friend" day is Father's Da= y. >> I think both days will be pretty low attendance and that is why the park= is >> putting on the promo for pass holders. I asked several people (Including= Mom >> and Dad) and no one wanted to pass on Mother's / Father's Day activities= for >> the cheap entrance to the park. >> >> >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, brian farral >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Thanks Briguy for the info. Upon further research, we found that Sunda= y >> > is "Bring a friend for $9.99" day. This kinda puts a damper on our pla= ns, >> > because in past experience, these days can get rediculously crowded. W= ho >> > knows? We want to do something fun this weekend, just not sure what. >> > >> > Razzle dazzle bitches, >> > -tommytheduck >> > >> > >=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 12 09:03:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59619 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 16:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 16:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 16:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M3uRm-0005Fd-HP for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 May 2009 12:03:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4A099DBF.5070908@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:03:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76e1ec0a0905120833p3b257f8y5036e17d3912f226@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905120833p3b257f8y5036e17d3912f226@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d3455f3a054f5613f9875184a1f24db2c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=AfN2TOjx1mUwL-mTnpUvZGak2B_RxINdMiCGLRODqD-b2jw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Josh W wrote: > > Not to mention, King's Island on a "bring a friend" day, is always > traditionally JAMMED, from what I've seen. You mean like that one that we arrived at a few years ago? Close to 2 hour wait for Flight of Fear as I recall (I know it was over 90 minutes). Wow was the place busy that day. There's still chunks of that park I've never seen. keep on ridin' George From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue May 12 09:35:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92763 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 16:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 16:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 16:35:31 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so38447ywr.82 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:34:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.35.13 with SMTP id n13mr5031361ibd.24.1242146071355; Tue, 12 May 2009 09:34:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A099DBF.5070908@earthlink.net> References: <76e1ec0a0905120833p3b257f8y5036e17d3912f226@mail.gmail.com> <4A099DBF.5070908@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:34:31 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905120934g3b723cedq3719c4fa0efa64a8@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=UYsFLILwQnFw3t8cMW7vzqmP2f9UHUcl7xVvbhA-ayj9fMaX X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons So did anyone else end up there this weekend? It did get busy on Saturday and we didn't go back into the park on Sunday. The Ride Warrior event went well, although they did have a few organizational hangups. For the most part, it was a decent event and the evening ERT on Diamondback was great. The hangups were: 1) they closed the registration on the webpage earlier in the day on the deadline day than some people expected. 2) they sent out an email confirming registration that included this tidbit that afaik wasn't included or at least not made obvious in any of the prior fliers/webpages regarding the event... That had some folks reeling. "If you registered a guest that is not a member of one of the Kings Island-approved roller coaster clubs and/or enthusiast organizations, they must present a Two-Day e-ticket at check-in to participate in the Ride Warriors events. Season passes are not valid for entry into the event by non-coaster club and enthusiast organization members." 3) Ok, this one is just my own personal hangup, but they had a DJ and encouraged dancing at the picnic grove when they had birthday cake for the Beast. Some things just can't be unseen. Beyond that, it was a relatively decently run event and a fun visit. Diamondback makes the park visitable again, for a while there it was just a really pretty place lacking for enough substance to warrant repeat visits. 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--YCalReminder=dvhl6dieSkrfdy7lZdQzDYE1242193815-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed May 13 05:53:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27053 invoked from network); 13 May 2009 12:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2009 12:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 12:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2009 12:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2009 12:51:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:51:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905120934g3b723cedq3719c4fa0efa64a8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=NQDpaF3p16fPRLYVELLYUlHZevChmHXDaWu92tUPMjlQouXm0qFL X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck All these responses are just showing up now? 3 days after the weekend in q= uestion?=20=20 We ended up going to Kings Island, but not for the Ride Warriors event. Wi= lliam is still a bit too short for 48 inches, even with a good pair of thic= k soled shoes. We drove down Saturday morning and arrived around 3pm. It = was already very crowded by then, but we were able to do most of the kiddie= rides and got on Diamondback in under an hour, even with a full queue. Also rode the Beast later in the evening and was surprised at how fast and = fun it was. I'm under the impression that some of it has been re-tracked, = especially the helix. It was a lot smoother, and I noticed some lighter co= lored wood. The last hour of the evening was spent walking on Scooby Doo. Although the= line was out the door in the middle of the day, it was a walk-on the last = hour. Sunday (bring a friend day) was not as bad as we had thought, or even as ba= d as Saturday was. Diamondback had a smaller line around 11am. I also rou= nded out my credits there with Italian Job and X-flight. We left around 3p= m to drive home, and pulled into the parking lot of Grandpa's Cheese Barn j= ust in time to watch them put up the Closed sign.=20=20 And yes, Diamondback was totally awesome! Got 2 rides in the back, both of= which had amazing air. And one in the middle which was also very nice. I= can't really compare it to the other B+M hypers I've ridden, as they are a= ll pretty much the same. Which is to say that they all are pretty good. M= y major gripe is the new train style. I do not like it. Besides looking s= tupid, the outside seats all bottom out kinda rough. I noticed this on Beh= emoth last year too. Happy Lost finale day, Tommytheduck From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed May 13 08:01:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15527 invoked from network); 13 May 2009 15:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2009 15:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 15:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-m25.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a0ae0871fc; Wed, 13 May 2009 11:00:23 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c54.4bdaf8a0 (14501) for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:59:43 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=fHmwyA_xi-G51HNfSFZn5cSg-Ie6MKuc1CBjQV0BnYGTQZ1v2A X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/13/2009 8:53:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tommytheduck@yahoo.com writes: "I also rounded out my credits there with Italian Job and X-flight." Are you sure you were at Kings Island? There are no coasters at Kings Island called Italian Job or X-Flight. I do distinctly remember a coaster called X-Flight at the former Geauga Lake, though. **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 13 08:02:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58538 invoked from network); 13 May 2009 15:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2009 15:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.182) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 15:02:52 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so241573wag.26 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:01:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.71.6 with SMTP id f6mr1146793vcj.16.1242226911491; Wed, 13 May 2009 08:01:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <74b0c9f30905120934g3b723cedq3719c4fa0efa64a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:01:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: kings island this weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=v2JocaGqH0hJsfg2hCo4FRFcX1fxlWbMmvUcNhQG1a_9kHah7-9mV2U X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > And yes, Diamondback was totally awesome! Got 2 rides in the back, both of > which had amazing air. And one in the middle which was also very nice. I > can't really compare it to the other B+M hypers I've ridden, as they are all > pretty much the same. So you're saying it's not really worth my time to travel to Cincinnati this summer? :) -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed May 13 17:36:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87501 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 00:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 00:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 00:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2009 00:35:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2009 00:35:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:22:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=KI3jXLWeoWHQKXMX2TIwBuYg5xH7g4pfclrxPcmYw43sWdMtHtTb X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck So, 2 questions: Does Avatar's airbender count as a credit? It is powered the entire time a= nd does not appear to ever coast on it's own. I counted it, but mainly bec= ause we counted it for William. As far as he's concerned, it is definitely= a coaster.=20 Also, the idea of riding coasters backwards. I noticed that Racer is actua= lly running forwards now. So by the rules of riding backwards and counting= it again, I should now be able to ride Racer forwards (which would be new = to me on that side) and count it again. But... I've kinda changed my mind = about riding things backwards and counting it again and am considering remo= ving my 3 "backwards" rides from the count. The logic I used, besides just= improving the count was "Riding this ride backwards was previously unavail= able to me. Now that I can do it, it is a new experience, therefore a new = coaster." But in reality, it's not. I never counted Invertigo's or LCOSM twice, because they were built that wa= y, but i have counted Colossus (MM) American Eagle, and even XLR8 when they= reversed the train later in the ride's life. Either way, I am removing th= ose 3 now. Oh yeah, and Son of Beast without the loop. I didn't ride it loopless, so = it doesn't apply to me, but I'm inclined to say no. Happy Lost finale day, Tommytheduck=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 13 18:19:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97769 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 01:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 01:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 01:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2009 01:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2009 01:19:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 01:19:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.187.85 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=gem53rZSVpjOlzDCkLqxa2I8Arnl2QkCQ8lhKi3MSWovxXl2Vg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Here's my one steadfast rule of coastercounting: Count by your own rules, don't worry about how others count.=20 Chris (Who currently counts between 847 and 905 coasters, depending on what rules= you apply. I'm going with 902, thank you very much.) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = wrote: > > So, 2 questions: >=20 > Does Avatar's airbender count as a credit? It is powered the entire time= and does not appear to ever coast on it's own. I counted it, but mainly b= ecause we counted it for William. As far as he's concerned, it is definite= ly a coaster.=20 >=20 > Also, the idea of riding coasters backwards. I noticed that Racer is act= ually running forwards now. So by the rules of riding backwards and counti= ng it again, I should now be able to ride Racer forwards (which would be ne= w to me on that side) and count it again. But... I've kinda changed my min= d about riding things backwards and counting it again and am considering re= moving my 3 "backwards" rides from the count. The logic I used, besides ju= st improving the count was "Riding this ride backwards was previously unava= ilable to me. Now that I can do it, it is a new experience, therefore a ne= w coaster." But in reality, it's not. >=20 > I never counted Invertigo's or LCOSM twice, because they were built that = way, but i have counted Colossus (MM) American Eagle, and even XLR8 when th= ey reversed the train later in the ride's life. Either way, I am removing = those 3 now. >=20 > Oh yeah, and Son of Beast without the loop. I didn't ride it loopless, s= o it doesn't apply to me, but I'm inclined to say no. >=20 > Happy Lost finale day, > Tommytheduck > From Briguy7568@aol.com Wed May 13 18:50:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78698 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 01:50:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 01:50:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 01:50:30 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m13.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a0b78cb99; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:50:03 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c70.48220e3a (14467) for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:49:58 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=57JmVqSZ_Ev3y_BiwuIyBJICJdFzMUu9iTOYDc800E-AOpfBrw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/13/2009 8:36:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tommytheduck@yahoo.com writes: "Does Avatar's airbender count as a credit?" No, that is not a coaster. Even though for some reason on the Ohio Odyssey Weekend Cedar Fair had in 2007, they made a shirt that listed all the coasters of the 3 parks included in that, and Avatar was on there. I have no idea why. It's NOT a coaster, not even a powered one! It's a flat ride, same as the Zamperla Disk-Os. "Also, the idea of riding coasters backwards. I noticed that Racer is actually running forwards now. So by the rules of riding backwards and counting it again," You can count double coasters as 2 no matter which direction they go. They are 2 separate tracks with 2 separate lines you wait in to ride them. The only Racer I dont see counting as 2 is Kennywood's. Its one full length track. "Son of Beast without the loop." Even though some would recount it, I dont think its enough of a significant change to do that. If they tore down the Rose Bowl, and made it and out and back and renamed it, I would count it again. **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 13 19:22:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88825 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 02:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 02:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 02:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Qas-0008QT-7M for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:22:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4A0B8068.5020102@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:22:32 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3db8d363a5b7eac28308a8bb3e8e732a70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=M5hvTiQJRYM1MU4BpVSdjFIQAIRWwpDrNhoRQDOq2xFQHAs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > Here's my one steadfast rule of coastercounting: > > Count by your own rules, don't worry about how others count. That's the big one, and the simple answer. Not really any more needs to be said. However, that never kept me from opening up my mouth! So even though I'm totally agreed with Chris, here's my thoughts on the other questions: > > Does Avatar's airbender count as a credit? It is powered the entire > time and does not appear to ever coast on it's own. I counted it, but > mainly because we counted it for William. As far as he's concerned, it > is definitely a coaster. I don't count powered coasters as they never really coast. Airbender really isn't any more of a coaster than a rocking tug is, or a disk'O, except that it's track is longer. It's just another flat ride to me. It would fall into the same kind of thing as a Schwarzkopf bayern curve- not a coaster, but a great ride. > > > > Also, the idea of riding coasters backwards. I noticed that Racer is > actually running forwards now. So by the rules of riding backwards and > counting it again, This is one where there's definite disagreement. Heck, you can't even get people to agree on whether or not to count racing/ dueling coasters as one or two coasters, let alone this point! (though on the side I just don't understand how you can not count them as 2, but that's another deal). As for backwards, I know I'm in the vast minority as to counting a coaster again backwards. I count Colossus at SFMM as 3- once each side forwards and once again backwards. But there's not many that do that. Go with your conscience and what you like. > > > > I never counted Invertigo's or LCOSM twice, because they were built > that way, but i have counted Colossus (MM) American Eagle, and even XLR8 > when they reversed the train later in the ride's life. Either way, I am > removing those 3 now. I don't count Invertigo's twice, even if I've been facing both ways. I know, not consistent, but hey, it's what I like cause it's MY count. :P They are really the only other instance like that I have though besides Colossus. But if you really want inconsistent, I don't count both sides of S:TE at SFMM. I only count it as one- because in my mind there is absolutely no difference in the two sides. Otherwise I usually count racers/ duals as 2. > > Oh yeah, and Son of Beast without the loop. I didn't ride it > loopless, so it doesn't apply to me, but I'm inclined to say no. > > Jury is out on that one for me. I've been on some coasters that have had some minor reprofiles and don't count them again. But that's a pretty huge difference, so I don't know. If it's any help (which it won't be) I do count coasters again that have moved (e.g. the bobsleds at TX, which I also rode at SFMM, and Knoebel's old corkscrew which I rode again in Costa Rica). But that kind of reprofile, I don't know yet. keep on ridin' George (BTW, my wife is reading this as I write it and says it's getting weirder and weirder, making less sense, and verging on the imbecilic. Thanks dear!) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed May 13 21:44:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85980 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 04:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 04:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 04:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2009 04:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2009 04:43:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 04:43:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A0B8068.5020102@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.187.85 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AKfqzKzsUdPM7w5D27hPJ9bKsLfz0MzCyWsY_onn5soJKCF93A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 My actual 'rules' are far more simple.=20 I count tracks.=20 So, a dual tracked coaster is two, a moebius is one, and relocated / reprof= iled coasters only count once.=20 The two big major reprofiles, Steel Phantom / Phantom's Revenge and Son of = Beast Loop / no loop, I simply have avoided. I never rode Phantom in it's o= riginal incarnation and I skipped SoB after the loopectomy.=20 Right now, I'm counting powered and water coasters, but as soon as I push m= y count high enough, (about 950) I'll pull both of them from my track recor= d and continue counting.=20 Finally, once I reach 1000 without Alpine coasters, Water coasters, Butterf= ly coasters, Powered coasters or 'undefined' coasters, I'm going to complet= ely stop keeping count entirely and just keep track of my top 25 in Steel a= nd Wood. Chris=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: >=20 > keep on ridin' > George >=20 > (BTW, my wife is reading this as I write it and says it's getting=20 > weirder and weirder, making less sense, and verging on the imbecilic.=20 > Thanks dear!) > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 13 23:12:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51192 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 06:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 06:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f105.google.com) (209.85.222.105) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 06:12:26 -0000 X-Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3so444441pzk.2 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.153.8 with SMTP id a8mr623906wfe.94.1242281470989; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ap17.p4.sca.7sys.net (e01-egress-a.seven.com [208.87.200.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm2183514wfi.12.2009.05.13.23.11.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4a0bb5fe.16098e0a.4cbc.1946@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Importance: normal To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: josh.wozny@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=6JTFvGdoZ_028kfQF0uUcLrNiSTJsVAJGkTRS-iyBnXq7AKk2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Screw you guys, I count each train as a different coaster. My count pwns all of urs. :) --- Original Message --- From:"Chris" Sent:Thu 5/14/09 12:45 am To:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subj:[RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits My actual 'rules' are far more simple. I count tracks. So, a dual tracked coaster is two, a moebius is one, and relocated / reprofiled coasters only count once. The two big major reprofiles, Steel Phantom / Phantom's Revenge and Son of Beast Loop / no loop, I simply have avoided. I never rode Phantom in it's original incarnation and I skipped SoB after the loopectomy. Right now, I'm counting powered and water coasters, but as soon as I push my count high enough, (about 950) I'll pull both of them from my track record and continue counting. Finally, once I reach 1000 without Alpine coasters, Water coasters, Butterfly coasters, Powered coasters or 'undefined' coasters, I'm going to completely stop keeping count entirely and just keep track of my top 25 in Steel and Wood. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > keep on ridin' > George > > (BTW, my wife is reading this as I write it and says it's getting > weirder and weirder, making less sense, and verging on the imbecilic. > Thanks dear!) > From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu May 14 09:06:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17769 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 16:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 16:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f111.google.com) (209.85.221.111) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 16:06:03 -0000 X-Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so2777818qyk.11 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 09:06:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.39.5 with SMTP id d5mr1580650ibe.39.1242317161605; Thu, 14 May 2009 09:06:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4a0bb5fe.16098e0a.4cbc.1946@mx.google.com> References: <4a0bb5fe.16098e0a.4cbc.1946@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:06:01 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905140906xd909916h3701c9f95fe89d69@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=iZF_OzlRDE3k9WMKfbM135S7mWgmxmixMt7tASfiiVKMshmf X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons What cracks me up about this debate every time it comes up, is that the discrepencies in the ways people count are negligable. 95% of the coasters out there are clear cut and obvious. Once you've counted up a ton of credits, are the 2 relocated, 1 backwards and 5 racers you've ridden really going to make that huge of a difference in your numbers any way you count them? If I were to strip out all the things that other people find questionable from my count, it's less than 10, out of a list of 500+. It doesn't really matter. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 14 17:38:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61928 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2009 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M4lRI-00075M-PR for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: <4A0CB976.5050509@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:38:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4a0bb5fe.16098e0a.4cbc.1946@mx.google.com> <74b0c9f30905140906xd909916h3701c9f95fe89d69@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905140906xd909916h3701c9f95fe89d69@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d016a425311a8164fca301c9f5f893ab8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=6ylkVzmJuVkGWhO3BdyuVuN0j_WaZ8sY7mxsS0AR9niqD6w X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > What cracks me up about this debate every time it comes up, is that > the discrepencies in the ways people count are negligable. > > 95% of the coasters out there are clear cut and obvious. Once you've > counted up a ton of credits, are the 2 relocated, 1 backwards and 5 > racers you've ridden really going to make that huge of a difference in > your numbers any way you count them? > > If I were to strip out all the things that other people find > questionable from my count, it's less than 10, out of a list of 500+. > > It doesn't really matter. Yep, that's the overriding point. The counts are personal, your own rules and whatever makes you happy. In all of mine (by my count 250) it comes out to a total of about 10 that are "questionable" for most people. So what. I like it. And other people like how they count. What gets me are the ones that say that there is only one "correct" way to count and get all uppity when other people do it differently. 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--YCalReminder=1ZxL02r3PvBAM3PLOFw1sinpifBxvOX1242366660-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu May 14 22:51:30 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95263 invoked by uid 7800); 15 May 2009 05:51:29 -0000 Date: 15 May 2009 05:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1242366689.11.95262.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=1uaFSkni1eSZwm7POgKDvp6A7hGwlOX1242366660-1" --YCalReminder=1uaFSkni1eSZwm7POgKDvp6A7hGwlOX1242366660-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Coasting Thru Switzerland opened Friday May 15, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Brooklyn, New York Notes: On this date in 1904, Coasting Thru Switzerland opened at Dreamland in Brooklyn, New York. It is credited with being the first Indoor coaster (Inside defined as a roller coaster built inside a structure unrelated to the ride). It closed in 1911. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=1uaFSkni1eSZwm7POgKDvp6A7hGwlOX1242366660-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=1AWYsJazggXX6UOX1242366660-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri May 15 18:46:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30140 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 01:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2009 01:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 01:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2009 01:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2009 01:46:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 01:46:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905140906xd909916h3701c9f95fe89d69@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=YUeIqJm2smVrdNr06NEAuF-dR2hlyvSN-xh0TWZBiUJsN8FLbmcH X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wro= te: > > What cracks me up about this debate every time it comes up, is that > the discrepencies in the ways people count are negligable. >=20 > 95% of the coasters out there are clear cut and obvious. Once you've > counted up a ton of credits, are the 2 relocated, 1 backwards and 5 > racers you've ridden really going to make that huge of a difference in > your numbers any way you count them? >=20 > If I were to strip out all the things that other people find > questionable from my count, it's less than 10, out of a list of 500+. >=20 > It doesn't really matter. > But here's the thing... if you are meticulous enough with the hobby to actu= ally keep a list, which I am, then you want it to be accurate. Why would a= nyone not want to keep an accurate count? If you're not gonna have an accu= rate list, then why even keep one? When the subject comes up and you tell = someone that you have ridden X number of coasters, aren't they usually a li= ttle surprised? I got tired of having to rationalize a few counting choice= s. So therefore, I just a few days ago removed those 3 backwards rides fro= m my count.=20=20 I don't care if it's 10 out of 500, 5 out of 1,000, or in my case, 3 out of= 441 (now 438.) I'm enough of a Tool that when I display my toolitude to o= thers, I at least want to be accurate and not have to rationalize. So whatever, I just wanted to start up some conversation. Someone has to b= reak up te monotony of all those anniversary reminders.=20 And yes, I was curious what people thought about Avatar. I am counting it= . Why? Because William thinks it is a roller coaster and wants it in his = count. Who am I to tell him no? Razzle Dazzle Bitches! -Tommytheduck From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri May 15 18:48:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36843 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2009 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2009 01:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2009 01:47:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 01:47:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: So, where did Alan go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=va_c1lby5wr8PqixbHTZwuq63yEv8JMTtDOHfdKqtDrgmzvyViwR X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck See above subject line. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri May 15 19:07:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46815 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 02:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2009 02:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 02:07:37 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1370983yxm.21 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:07:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.34.66 with SMTP id k2mr2316772ibd.17.1242439645960; Fri, 15 May 2009 19:07:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <74b0c9f30905140906xd909916h3701c9f95fe89d69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905151907q68d97effma11f2d2423ddd346@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=nGdFKQ0tSVqX8kNZy5VJ0iLYix9mdGc5OczbsZIffgauIsI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Yeah, avatars a coaster...And im up to 6 credits on B&R:TC. At least you've come to terms with your toolishness. Mike -That lost finale was pretty damn good, but the series totally peaked in the third season. On 5/15/09, tommytheduck wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson > wrote: >> >> What cracks me up about this debate every time it comes up, is that >> the discrepencies in the ways people count are negligable. >> >> 95% of the coasters out there are clear cut and obvious. Once you've >> counted up a ton of credits, are the 2 relocated, 1 backwards and 5 >> racers you've ridden really going to make that huge of a difference in >> your numbers any way you count them? >> >> If I were to strip out all the things that other people find >> questionable from my count, it's less than 10, out of a list of 500+. >> >> It doesn't really matter. >> > > But here's the thing... if you are meticulous enough with the hobby to > actually keep a list, which I am, then you want it to be accurate. Why > would anyone not want to keep an accurate count? If you're not gonna have > an accurate list, then why even keep one? When the subject comes up and you > tell someone that you have ridden X number of coasters, aren't they usually > a little surprised? I got tired of having to rationalize a few counting > choices. So therefore, I just a few days ago removed those 3 backwards > rides from my count. > > I don't care if it's 10 out of 500, 5 out of 1,000, or in my case, 3 out of > 441 (now 438.) I'm enough of a Tool that when I display my toolitude to > others, I at least want to be accurate and not have to rationalize. > > So whatever, I just wanted to start up some conversation. Someone has to > break up te monotony of all those anniversary reminders. > > And yes, I was curious what people thought about Avatar. I am counting it. > Why? Because William thinks it is a roller coaster and wants it in his > count. Who am I to tell him no? > > Razzle Dazzle Bitches! > -Tommytheduck > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri May 15 20:19:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18156 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 03:18:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2009 03:18:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 03:18:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2009 03:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2009 03:18:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 03:18:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.187.85 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=hu8EU9F2H_aX-OeTQvviRe5S2GMMaG6J9LDzNafiLaJPb-Y0Kg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = wrote: > I don't care if it's 10 out of 500, 5 out of 1,000, or in my case, 3 out = of 441 (now 438.)=20=20 >=20 > Razzle Dazzle Bitches! > -Tommytheduck > I'm somewhat ashamed to admit that I've got 58 'questionable' coasters out = of a possible 905 in my count, but I really don't sweat it. I joke about it= with some people, and as for anyone who takes it so seriously that they ca= n't joke about it? I just don't talk to them about it. Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri May 15 21:54:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93640 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 04:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2009 04:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 04:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M5But-00041W-IS for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 May 2009 00:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:54:30 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3de8b9de60820e2e635eb1e6d17158020f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did Alan go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=FZ3W2-_-P7cMSbrOIVFkdratL7D7HmJ-Xa1KzcSxc5NT8TA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash tommytheduck wrote: > > See above subject line. I'm not sure, but I can guess a bit. It's been quite a while since I've heard from him. But I think he was a bit offended at some of the not-so-positive feedback that came out about the news articles he posted and the anniversaries- which he put a huge amount of time getting all of those dates posted to the calendar. It's hard when you put a lot of time and effort into things and it doesn't look like it's appreciated much. But that's just a guess on my part. keep on ridin' George From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri May 15 22:51:20 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98814 invoked by uid 7800); 16 May 2009 05:51:16 -0000 Date: 16 May 2009 05:51:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1242453076.9.98813.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=4N0PwUYQvV1qrJC7i4YmEt2Z76f4wGY1242453011-1" --YCalReminder=4N0PwUYQvV1qrJC7i4YmEt2Z76f4wGY1242453011-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Busch Gardens (Virginia) opens Saturday May 16, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Williamsburg, Virginia Notes: Busch Gardens: The Old Country opened on this date in 1975, in Williamsburg, VA. Later in 1992, it would change it's name to Busch Gardens Williamsburg, and then again in 2006 to Busch Gardens Europe. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=4N0PwUYQvV1qrJC7i4YmEt2Z76f4wGY1242453011-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Busch Gardens (Virginia) opens
 
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--YCalReminder=4N0PwUYQvV1qrJC7i4YmEt2Z76f4wGY1242453011-1-- From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat May 16 01:01:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37238 invoked from network); 16 May 2009 08:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2009 08:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2009 08:01:28 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1171364yxm.69 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 01:00:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.197 with SMTP id u5mr2349529ibu.9.1242460828353; Sat, 16 May 2009 01:00:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 04:00:28 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did Alan go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=X3E_KjjxWMLrKk9wH7NfxIFJGpIEPgTSuq6XCLRHzATvPyY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Which is why you should really assess why you are doing something and who will benefit before you put so much time and effort into something. Effort is really nice, but if the people who see the effects of that effort find the outcome annoying, are they supposed to silence their emotions out of guilt? He tried something, it didnt work. No one had anything against him, we just seemed to find these news stories and anniversary reminders rather light no substance. On 5/16/09, george burnash wrote: > tommytheduck wrote: >> > >> See above subject line. > > I'm not sure, but I can guess a bit. It's been quite a while since I've > heard from him. But I think he was a bit offended at some of the > not-so-positive feedback that came out about the news articles he posted > and the anniversaries- which he put a huge amount of time getting all of > those dates posted to the calendar. It's hard when you put a lot of > time and effort into things and it doesn't look like it's appreciated much. > > But that's just a guess on my part. > > keep on ridin' > George > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat May 16 22:50:42 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47655 invoked by uid 7800); 17 May 2009 05:50:35 -0000 Date: 17 May 2009 05:50:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1242539435.527.47629.m8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=SUPC4PNjwNA0erD0Jd8FKaccCWG1242539426-1" --YCalReminder=SUPC4PNjwNA0erD0Jd8FKaccCWG1242539426-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Legoland Deutschland opened Sunday May 17, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Günzburg, Bavaria, Germany Notes: On this date in 2002, Legoland Deutschland opened its doors in Günzburg, Germany. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=SUPC4PNjwNA0erD0Jd8FKaccCWG1242539426-1 Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252;
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--YCalReminder=SUPC4PNjwNA0erD0Jd8FKaccCWG1242539426-1-- From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun May 17 05:29:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59359 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 12:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2009 12:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2009 12:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M5fUD-0005M0-E0 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 17 May 2009 08:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:28:56 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d71ae02fe19ab4bb8bdcb76f1e2d54f2e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did Alan go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=73VVeYp3WbJPqSh1ohaRQf7L3jEzwB4F5riWHekWLYv-n7M X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > > > > Which is why you should really assess why you are doing something and > who will benefit before you put so much time and effort into > something. The funny thing is there Mike, there were a number of people who had commented that it would be really neat if we had something put together like the calendar with all of the dates, anniversaries, etc. He did it in response to what people on the list had said they would like to see. Same with the news articles. Effort is really nice, but if the people who see the > effects of that effort find the outcome annoying, are they supposed to > silence their emotions out of guilt? Silence their emotions? Wow, what a way to excuse those who were rude and thought that their opinion was the only one that existed among the 370 people subscribed to the list. And yes, I know I'm being a bit blunt and rude here as well, but it's to make a point. There is a constructive way to offer criticism, but some of the criticism leveled wasn't constructive. Much of it was downright insulting. If you don't like something, that's fine. But that can be said in a polite manner that helps to build to a solution- not a condescending, insulting way. There was some that Alan may have overreacted to, but when you consider what he did, and why he did it, I can't say I wouldn't have done the same if it was me. > > He tried something, it didnt work. No one had anything against him, > we just seemed to find these news stories and anniversary reminders > rather light no substance. Ok, then here's my challenge, to you and others that find them that way- contribute something of substance. You want something in depth, then it's up to you to put something out there. Don't be blaming others because what they did didn't meet your standards if what you're putting out there doesn't either- and especially if you're not putting anything out there. (BTW Mike, that's not directed to you specifically, but at a rather broad group of people). This list used to have 15-30 posts a day, most of it in depth discussion. And I understand why it's slowed down so much over the last couple of years. Trust me. But what really cracks me up is the irony of those complaining that they want quality posts but don't post quality comments themselves. If you want discussion, then you've got to be part of it as well. The sad thing is, I only see what looks to be about 8 people who really seem to want any sort of discussion, and no one responding to those even. So until others start putting more out there, at least the calendar reminders can help start the occasional talk. keep on ridin' George From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun May 17 12:03:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58473 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 19:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2009 19:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2009 19:03:37 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1486199yxb.39 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.38.13 with SMTP id z13mr2484057ibd.45.1242586973302; Sun, 17 May 2009 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:02:53 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did Alan go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=KCXRdRx8Sg4ttD3HN11eLQ7SPDcGmAERH6B5iEqXFBO8TnE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska But the reminders hardly seem to forge much discussion beyond mockery of the reminder itself. This group has ben around for a long time, and we have had most of the prominent coaster conversatios (i.e. this current one about counting coaster) time and time again. This, combined with the crossfade between the groups reluctance to let new members in and the benality of some more vocal new members that have shown up over the years; has made it so that very few new opinions are really brought up (i.e. you count your coasters how you want...I'll count my coasters how I want.) So where does that leave the group? Exactly where we havebeen since around 03 when the coaster war was declared a truce an all the soldiers went home: a sleepy group in an outdated format where most people know most other people's opinions on rides before that person has even written it. For example, i will one day find diamondback lackluster but enjoyable, Jay will dislike the boadwalk bullet or any other woodie that takes rough and tumble just a bit to far, and Brian will love any coaster that his son can ride and enjoy (but come on...avatar?) There is nothing wrong with this situation. It is not something that needs to bw fixed, and probably the only way to fix it would be to migrate off yahoo onto google and hope for a large influx of new screen names. People will offer suggestions, and then complain when they are implemented. Even if we did make the move to google we would probably lose a large part of our roster that doesnt want to be bothered for signing up to another internet thing. So what. It's our list, it has been since the 90s, and we like it. -Mike PS Gorge, what you posted was your opinion, and you stated it as fact. I found it insulting in the way it tried to make those who voiced their opinios feel bad about doing so, under the guise of 'this is how it is'. I will not do the same. This post is nothing more than the opinions I have gained over several years of watching this list evolve. On 5/17/09, george burnash wrote: > Michael Cowan wrote: >> >> >> >> Which is why you should really assess why you are doing something and >> who will benefit before you put so much time and effort into >> something. > > The funny thing is there Mike, there were a number of people who had > commented that it would be really neat if we had something put together > like the calendar with all of the dates, anniversaries, etc. He did it > in response to what people on the list had said they would like to see. > Same with the news articles. > > Effort is really nice, but if the people who see the >> effects of that effort find the outcome annoying, are they supposed to >> silence their emotions out of guilt? > > Silence their emotions? Wow, what a way to excuse those who were rude > and thought that their opinion was the only one that existed among the > 370 people subscribed to the list. And yes, I know I'm being a bit > blunt and rude here as well, but it's to make a point. There is a > constructive way to offer criticism, but some of the criticism leveled > wasn't constructive. Much of it was downright insulting. > > If you don't like something, that's fine. But that can be said in a > polite manner that helps to build to a solution- not a condescending, > insulting way. > > There was some that Alan may have overreacted to, but when you consider > what he did, and why he did it, I can't say I wouldn't have done the > same if it was me. > >> >> He tried something, it didnt work. No one had anything against him, >> we just seemed to find these news stories and anniversary reminders >> rather light no substance. > > Ok, then here's my challenge, to you and others that find them that way- > contribute something of substance. You want something in depth, then > it's up to you to put something out there. Don't be blaming others > because what they did didn't meet your standards if what you're putting > out there doesn't either- and especially if you're not putting anything > out there. (BTW Mike, that's not directed to you specifically, but at a > rather broad group of people). > > This list used to have 15-30 posts a day, most of it in depth > discussion. And I understand why it's slowed down so much over the last > couple of years. Trust me. But what really cracks me up is the irony > of those complaining that they want quality posts but don't post quality > comments themselves. If you want discussion, then you've got to be part > of it as well. > > The sad thing is, I only see what looks to be about 8 people who really > seem to want any sort of discussion, and no one responding to those > even. So until others start putting more out there, at least the > calendar reminders can help start the occasional talk. > > keep on ridin' > George > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun May 17 14:52:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89542 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 21:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2009 21:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2009 21:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M5oH0-0003Fa-KS for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 17 May 2009 17:52:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:51:44 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3dd9fbf3f952f0f8aacb8dac42a527ed26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=1NwKLf8dOb5Ui19re_K1XXR2lraX3zE3RtGDcGFriWrVX7s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Well Mike, and others, I want you to know you've hit a nerve but good. so yeah, be prepared, there's a good amount of ranting in my response here. I hope you're up for it- but that you can also take it in the manner that it's meant- a way to encourage the list, and the people on it, to some life again: Michael Cowan wrote: > > But the reminders hardly seem to forge much discussion beyond mockery > of the reminder itself. Only by a few. Y'know, I actually have had people tell me that they like getting them- even the more obscure ones. And frankly, and bluntly honestly, it ticks me off when people can't do more than post a crap comment in response to them- especially people who can't seem to be bothered to post more than that kind of a post about anything anyways. > > This group has been around for a long time, and we have had most of the > prominent coaster conversatios (i.e. this current one about counting > coaster) time and time again. Here's a shocker for you- not everyone on the list has been around. I add, on average, 2-3 people per week to the list- and that doesn't include the Indonesian spammers attempts to get on. There's a heck of a lot of new people on the list. But you wouldn't know it because they don't post. Y'know why? You even said so... This, combined with the crossfade > between the groups reluctance to let new members in and the benality > of some more vocal new members that have shown up over the years; has > made it so that very few new opinions are really brought up (i.e. you > count your coasters how you want...I'll count my coasters how I want.) You forgot the lousy attitudes from some of the older posters around. Some of those that have been around look at anything new, or something they learned about years ago, as stupid, idiotic, or only worthy of being ignored or put down in flames. We didn't use to be like that. New posters and people new to the hobby used to be welcomed here with open arms, eagerness to answer questions- even what might have seemed silly or dumb, and with a friendly attitude. That's been gone for a while. And it's not the fault of one new poster who seemed to have a bit of a attitude (in all fairness, his only grew in response to the bad attitudes thrown his way in return) > > So where does that leave the group? Exactly where we havebeen since > around 03 Actually, I'd disagree on your timeline. If you look at the group site, we averaged 300+ posts a month through 2004. That's when it gradually began to decline, but it really was in the last year and a half to two years that we've dropped off. > a sleepy group in an outdated format where most > people know most other people's opinions on rides before that person > has even written it. For example, i will one day find diamondback > lackluster but enjoyable, Jay will dislike the boadwalk bullet or any > other woodie that takes rough and tumble just a bit to far, and Brian > will love any coaster that his son can ride and enjoy (but come > on...avatar?) So nice to know you know so much about everyone else and what they'll think. I don't. Actually, I think it's funny you say that about Brian because that's what others used to say about me and my kids- though they meant it in a friendly, joking manner. Not the depressing way you put it. frankly, if you're that jaded, I actually feel sorry for you. So much so that I wonder why you're still here except to spread the depressing attitude around. If that's it, then please, keep the depression and sleepiness to yourself. :) > > There is nothing wrong with this situation. It is not something that > needs to bw fixed, And there I would strongly, vehemently disagree with you. If you like that, that's up to you. But I don't. And I know others that don't. And frankly, I don't want that kind of attitude on the list. It didn't use to be around, and I don't know when it cropped up, but I'm upset that it seems to be so prevalent now. No wonder others don't want to post that might contradict that. I'm sorry your world is so depressing, sad, and nothing changes in it. But that's not my world- and I'm willing to fight to get mine back. and probably the only way to fix it would be to > migrate off yahoo onto google and hope for a large influx of new > screen names. No reason to move to google. It's not different. And we've already got over 370 member, most of which won't post because of the morose attitudes of a few that you're so exemplifying here. Why would that change by moving to another location. It won't. > > So what. It's our list, it has been since the 90s, and we like it. I don't. Not anymore, and not the way it is- at least not the attitudes and unwillingness to participate, respect others who are willing to participate, or people who complain when there's something posted on the list. Personally, that just ticks me off and I don't think it belongs here. While I agree in some ways on the format becoming outdated, I certainly don't agree with your attitude about the posts being made to the list or about the attitude of some of those posts. > PS Gorge, what you posted was your opinion, Well Mike, Maybe you need to go back and look at what I said again. A lot of what I said in that last post was either fact, or based on fact. If you didn't like it, sorry. But honestly, I hope I'm hitting some nerves- and not just yours but several out there. Posters and non posters alike. Because I'm sick of what I've seen on the list for the last few months, and what I haven't seen. I noticed you didn't respond to the challenge. But then no one else has either. And that's when I begin to wonder- with your attitude showing up in half of the 10 or less posters we have, and the other half not getting responses, and the vast majority of people on the list not responding in any way, is it even worth continuing? That's when I really start to wonder about just shutting the whole thing down. keep on ridin' (unless they shut the ride down for good) George From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun May 17 14:54:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28055 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 21:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2009 21:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2009 21:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M5oJR-0004bY-TE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 17 May 2009 17:54:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4A108786.6080008@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:54:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <573C4AF5-1AE6-4D30-A4D9-0BA0C33B25DB@law.wnec.edu> In-Reply-To: <573C4AF5-1AE6-4D30-A4D9-0BA0C33B25DB@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d05bd01aa10f674dcf1d6741b062ae607350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Lake Compounce Sunday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=seDZywm5B9FI7TN6DMTkQAWhl7Zd4p74eLSZ8sLNnM1PJnU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Bill Childs wrote: > > I went to LC today with my kids (both over 48" now) and a couple of > students from the law school, plus one student's kids. (They were > winners of an auction item I donate for the law school auction, where > I'll take them to either SFNE or LC and talk about amusement park > safety and litigation and ride the rides.) How did that work? Sounds like a neat idea for a trip. > Boulderdash was running as well as I remember it running -- smooth, > fast, wild. I could tell there were changes on the return run, but > it's been too long since I've been there to know for sure what the > changes were. I vaguely remember trick track that's gone, is that > right? Seemed to be replaced by a (sweet) double up? Having never been on Boulderdash, I wouldn't know. Seems like there should someone around here who knows what, if any, changes were made to the coaster. > Oh! And this was Liam's first time on a big coaster; I can't say he > loved it, but he rode twice and later said it was his favorite thing. > And Ella is utterly hooked, riding hands-up in the front seat multiple > times. Whoo! So much fun once the kids seem to get the bug. I'm grateful mine caught it early, though my son was a bit slower in developing than my daughter. He still has his moments. He's a bit anxious about Manta just because it's going to be different for him, but I'm confident once he's on he's going to love it. My daughter can't wait. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun May 17 15:00:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84293 invoked from network); 17 May 2009 22:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2009 22:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2009 22:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from [72.186.67.191] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M5oPH-00006r-7H for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 17 May 2009 18:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:00:13 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d5152ebc48299ee6d17e1800deca747f4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=QJ3E5bVkglzzR3-edP--5Dmues69jROk1BSlvDhmNnOL-ss X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I'm trying seriously hard to prod a lot of you out of your sleep. yeah, the future of the list may depend on it. So has there been anything you've seen, noted, or experienced that you find worthy of discussing? A 2 year old boy was killed in England after getting hit by a coaster last week. Terminator is doing test runs in CA. Diamonback is open. Manta sort of is. Anyone been on them? Anyone care? Has anyone, besides Bill, been to a park yet this year? Did you care that you went? Was there anything there worth talking about? If not, why did you bother going? :P (yes, I'm trying to get you out of the funk) If you don't go the parks anymore, why not? C'mon people. Remember what it was like when you first started the hobby? Some of you have just started into it and you're afraid to talk. Please, start talking, commenting, saying something!! I see the comments from all of the people that join the list, but So few seem to post. I've had 15 new members in the last month. Where are all of you? Introductions? Favorite parks and rides? Something? keep on ridin' George From kim221998@yahoo.com Sun May 17 17:29:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kim221998@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96647 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 00:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 00:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.211) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 00:29:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39817 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2009 00:28:24 -0000 Message-ID: <468533.39800.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pqbOI34VM1l1h6JJBZR5Amrzc08VAGtvffpbJvZFNXxMTPEsJwlTX.mtVtfYdJN7guxfpu6AP2b5HkM5xiIUWBnpIOymCgPWuyFrEwaA9LjcuAqwDAtPZNsQX5o_hfBHHf_vRdPgCqUD81ZggaBpHJXu_IhZOBkLzgv1KpTaCVA9_ofEn0EAjVZEHMww88TB6hYjnAsQQ_poXsbgvGMV8wqprj6Oxf.pWfefrBcUUhnoon6ehoHR58u0QockP6ZCpgpJH7KNw0lQzNbbx3R0ZgH_0ghSfCBWoF3ytpScEPs33._eqruFIcxYMv53Fm2escWnobakEsDPjrM7rP5KZH.SxWGIAYb2wzlxd4jYh1aBoagr1w-- X-Received: from [98.183.6.173] by web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 May 2009 17:28:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:28:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kimberly Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121539762; y=6GlvCJSBtlQubwd_HD9lTRyWBfMGU7P9tJ_kilcLt8Av4udn X-Yahoo-Profile: kim221998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I may not have much worth discussing, but wanted to introduce myself. = I'm Kim, living in Pensacola, Florida and mom of 3. I absolutely LOVE coast= ers, but don't get to ride very much. Six Flags New Orleans was the closest= park to me until the storm took it out. I haven't been to a park since, th= ough I'm definitely ready to change that. I'm debating taking my kids to Al= abama Adventure when we visit Birmingham in a couple of weeks, but I've rea= d alot of bad reviews about it on trip advisor and such that i'm kind of co= ncerned about it, plus the cost seemed kind of high compared to what's avai= lable. I haven't been since it was Visionland. Anyone have any thoughts on = the place? I thought about SFOG, but my 13 year old twin girls are rather c= hicken, and not sure it would be worth it to take them. Even though I haven= 't been to a park in a few years, I still like to read up on them and talk = about them....hopefully will make it on some soon. My goal is to get to Cedar Point sooner or later! Anyone have any suggestions on parks reaso= nably close by=A0(to Pensacola, FL)=A0that 13 year old kids afraid to go up= side may enjoy? =A0 Other than coasters, I enjoy reading, the beach, airshows, water parks,= and spending time with my family. Hope to get to know some of you eventual= ly. Kim --- On Sun, 5/17/09, george burnash wrote: From: george burnash Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discuss= ing? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 6:00 PM I'm trying seriously hard to prod a lot of you out of your sleep.=A0 yeah,= =20 the future of the list may depend on it.=A0 So has there been anything=20 you've seen, noted, or experienced that you find worthy of discussing? A 2 year old boy was killed in England after getting hit by a coaster=20 last week. Terminator is doing test runs in CA. Diamonback is open.=A0 Manta sort of is.=A0 Anyone been on them?=A0 Anyone = care? Has anyone, besides Bill, been to a park yet this year?=A0 Did you care=20 that you went?=A0 Was there anything there worth talking about?=A0 If not,= =20 why did you bother going?=A0 :P=A0 (yes, I'm trying to get you out of the f= unk) If you don't go the parks anymore, why not? C'mon people.=A0 Remember what it was like when you first started the=20 hobby?=A0 Some of you have just started into it and you're afraid to talk.= =20 =A0 Please, start talking, commenting, saying something!! I see the comments from all of the people that join the list, but So few=20 seem to post.=A0 I've had 15 new members in the last month.=A0 Where are al= l=20 of you?=A0 Introductions?=A0 Favorite parks and rides?=A0 Something? keep on ridin' George ------------------------------------ Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that!=A0 Spread the word ab= out Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Sun May 17 18:14:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57981 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 01:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 01:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 01:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a10b64b206; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:13:47 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bfb.58b99431 (39330) for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 21:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:13:41 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=7OJkKppb8FpOD26xTsLPP5yrRaDOdWX4AVpO9aFmVWTkQgDFnw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/17/2009 6:00:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gburnash@earthlink.net writes: Diamonback is open. Manta sort of is. Anyone been on them? Anyone care? I've ridden Diamondback nearly 100 times. That should say something about how great it is. I highly recommend it! It's the best Kings Island has had in 30 years since The Beast. **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sun May 17 18:50:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2796 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 01:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 01:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f157.google.com) (209.85.217.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 01:50:24 -0000 X-Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1so5840159gxk.0 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 18:49:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.67.15 with SMTP id p15mr1149793aga.14.1242611001017; Sun, 17 May 2009 18:43:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:43:20 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905171843s155793f0j1b1a4f1486c90734@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=xwDpQjqXkXcAh-sr9ZyUVxVUxykK0khB2_1NqTKAaXA-bm-FLA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I've ridden DBack twice. Once in the very front, and once in the very back. While I find it great fun, with standing floater air on every hill, it lacks the intensity and out of control feeling that I like in a roller coaster. By the same token, I've kind of taken to more of the vacation approach to doing things. No more ride marathons or things of that nature. I'd rather focus on other, more important things in my life, and I'll get to places when I get there.. Josh On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:13 PM, wrote: > > > > In a message dated 5/17/2009 6:00:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > gburnash@earthlink.net writes: > > Diamonback is open. Manta sort of is. Anyone been on them? Anyone care? > > I've ridden Diamondback nearly 100 times. That should say something about > how great it is. I highly > recommend it! It's the best Kings Island has had in 30 years since The > Beast. > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in > the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid= =3Demlcntustrav00000002) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 17 22:13:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 660 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 05:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 05:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 05:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 05:13:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 05:13:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 05:13:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.187.85 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=5wdHFcYG0eQ1HQHUCrDuAR5Mm6WqiP_gPsgaezvDG74pXk7DMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'll be the first to admit that I've been spoiled by the instant gratificat= ion of the TPRs, CoasterFanatics, etc of the internet. I've also been short= changing this site a lot as it seems to be a case of diminishing returns, a= nd I've still had pretty horrible luck meeting up with folks from this site= for more than 10 minutes, or even 5 with some folks.=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > I'm trying seriously hard to prod a lot of you out of your sleep. yeah,= =20 > the future of the list may depend on it. So has there been anything=20 > you've seen, noted, or experienced that you find worthy of discussing? >=20 > A 2 year old boy was killed in England after getting hit by a coaster=20 > last week. I've commented on this at a European site, they all seem to want to blame t= he parents. I think the fair operator is at least partly to blame. Nobody s= eemed to agree. > Terminator is doing test runs in CA. Interested, but it's Magic Mountain. My trip there this year did not find a= ny noticeable improvement in operations at all. (Stacking in single-train o= perations!?!) I hadn't been in several years, but it was by far my worst tr= ip ever. They have less than 10 adult flat rides, but they are adding yet a= nother coaster? The place is a shell of its former self, and IMHO anyone wh= o claims otherwise is misleading themselves. > Diamonback is open. Manta sort of is. Anyone been on them? Anyone care= ? I loved Diamondback, and look forward to seeing you on Thursday for some Ma= nta ERT, George! > Has anyone, besides Bill, been to a park yet this year? Did you care=20 > that you went? Was there anything there worth talking about? If not,=20 > why did you bother going? :P (yes, I'm trying to get you out of the fun= k) I still love the hobby, and the travel that goes with it. I'm finding mysel= f less able to stomach the flat rides than ever, and sometimes even coaster= s are starting to make me a little queasy. I still want to ride them all, t= hough!=20 What's been bothering me most is that the more I participate in online inte= raction with enthusiasts, the less I care to interact with coaster enthusia= sts in person. I miss the days when this was the only place I knew. > keep on ridin' > George From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon May 18 04:48:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48036 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 11:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 11:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 11:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 11:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 11:48:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:48:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905151907q68d97effma11f2d2423ddd346@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.135 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=-YOczzth3mY06YkxPAE-NdVt2XTReNcgUbF_Mb8eLG-QI9v2Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Wait, I must have missed something. How do you get six? (btw, I count this = as only one, but that's just me.) Jon Z --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > Yeah, avatars a coaster...And im up to 6 credits on B&R:TC. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon May 18 06:32:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25694 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 13:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 13:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 13:32:00 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so1426466anc.6 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:31:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.197 with SMTP id u5mr2758834ibu.9.1242653477342; Mon, 18 May 2009 06:31:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905151907q68d97effma11f2d2423ddd346@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905180631j59633e79i5aa1c93f845c925d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=dqQrjlokEeXA8VnLmJcExbrn8aKM3Eu33UW1l46GaMBjZDU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska wach side with OTSR, each side with lapbars (but guys, its SUCH a different experience !) and then each side after a reprofile. It's down to 2 on my list now, but for a while I believed that any change on a ride large enough to seriously affect its ranking in my book is big enough to warrant another count. Still to this day when i say bnrtc was around 5 in my top 10, i feel compelled to mention this only applies to the version with lapbars before the reprofile. every other instance of the ride was somewhere in the 40s. But the first time I told brian about that, he and jereny laughed at me for a few days straight. mike On 5/18/09, zucker0615 wrote: > Wait, I must have missed something. How do you get six? (btw, I count this > as only one, but that's just me.) > > Jon Z > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > wrote: >> >> Yeah, avatars a coaster...And im up to 6 credits on B&R:TC. > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 18 07:03:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87546 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 14:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 14:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f204.google.com) (209.85.221.204) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 14:03:02 -0000 X-Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42so5737481qyk.7 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 07:02:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.72.194 with SMTP id n2mr6717712vcj.36.1242655322649; Mon, 18 May 2009 07:02:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905180631j59633e79i5aa1c93f845c925d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0905151907q68d97effma11f2d2423ddd346@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905180631j59633e79i5aa1c93f845c925d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=sYcs3LP0Qvp0vt7zIieAT2r50nfKR1GHbjXLjMKycIX4UHX8u6OYa0A X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Still to this day when i say bnrtc was around 5 in my top 10, i feel > compelled to mention this only applies to the version with lapbars > before the reprofile. every other instance of the ride was somewhere > in the 40s. I never rode Chiller with lapbars or after the reprofile, but I'm with you on the lapbar-version of the ride. The night you, me, Chris, and others marathoned that thing for hours without leaving our seats is probably one of the best coaster-related memories of my life. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon May 18 07:17:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42524 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 14:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 14:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.232) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 14:17:47 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so1666803rvb.7 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 07:16:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr6412168vcj.56.1242656205958; Mon, 18 May 2009 07:16:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:16:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=FTg4pgl5QKSW8ocszZqF7wPz6b73qVGhWF0ASzvQbEODU4OBdKDztWI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> But the reminders hardly seem to forge much discussion beyond mockery >> of the reminder itself. > > Only by a few. Y'know, I actually have had people tell me that they > like getting them- even the more obscure ones. Then how come so few people spoke up in their defense? Sorry, but if you're not willing to post your opinion publically, you obviously don't feel very strongly about it. And if you're not going to post publically (ie if you're not actively participating in the list), why should we care what you think about the reminders? > And frankly, and bluntly > honestly, it ticks me off when people can't do more than post a crap > comment in response to them- especially people who can't seem to be > bothered to post more than that kind of a post about anything anyways. The only time this happened was when the same reminder posted day after day after day. Sorry, but I don't need to be told that some trade show is going on in China for 14 days in a row. Once is more than plenty. > You forgot the lousy attitudes from some of the older posters around. Aside from one new poster everyone seemed to have a problem with (and for good reason), I haven't seen ANYONE give a new poster any sort of attitude. Sorry, George, but that's not what's keeping them from posting. This is still the nicest and most welcoming group I've seen online by far. Even in the "old days" when we were constantly adding new members, only 1-2% as best ever posted. That's just the way it is. It's the way it always has been. > So nice to know you know so much about everyone else and what they'll > think. I don't. Not to speak for Mike, but I think you took his paragraph far too seriously (and far too literally) than he intended. I think his overall point got lost in there somewhere, but I think it's a good one. We're a small group. Most of us know enough about each other and our likes/dislikes because we've read the trip reports and had the discussions. That's not to say that nobody should post new trip reports, because they're still interesting, but we probably feel less-inclined to do so because of it. For instance, if I see Jay has posted a trip report, I know he's probably going to talk about how the park was better before all the historical elements were removed (especially if it's a park he's frequented so many times). Just like I'm sure everyone knows that if I post a TR, I'm going to rag on the forceless B&M's and poorly-maintained wooden coasters while applauding whatever is intense and forceful. Is that so surprising? >> So what. It's our list, it has been since the 90s, and we like it. > > I don't. Not anymore, and not the way it is- at least not the attitudes > and unwillingness to participate, respect others who are willing to > participate, or people who complain when there's something posted on the > list. I guess I just don't see the attitude that you do. Yes, I saw people having problems with the aforementioned new poster... (I still believe that was justified and warranted. I thin he was given more than enough chances, and he just did not want to fit in). And yes, I saw the attitude toward Alan's reminders. But you know what? Those attitudes only came AFTER he was shown an unwillingness toward changing anything. I found the reminders unnecessary, and annoying. More posts does not make for a better list when those posts have little to no content. But when things like "Can this be changed so that it doesn't post EVERY DAY?" or "Is there a way to turn these off?", all I got was a LOT of attitude from Alan and his defenders. Attitude was returned with attitude. That might not have been the best, most appropriate, or most polite course, but that's what happened. > I noticed you didn't respond to the challenge. But then no one else has > either. Maybe I missed it, but what was the challenge? -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon May 18 11:02:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40357 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 18:02:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 18:02:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 18:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 18:02:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 18:02:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:02:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905180631j59633e79i5aa1c93f845c925d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=jnrsWcxoItyLRpvShdd7DskzT9Y9n9goBbXXOviKhixqY2ECfadH X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > wach side with OTSR, each side with lapbars (but guys, its SUCH a > different experience !) and then each side after a reprofile. >=20 > It's down to 2 on my list now, but for a while I believed that any > change on a ride large enough to seriously affect its ranking in my > book is big enough to warrant another count. I agree somewhat, but not entirely. More so on wooden coasters, the ride c= an change with no changes at all. Many rides are smooth when they first op= en, only to deteriorate in a few years where they are no longer enjoyable. = Thunderhead comes to mind. Hell, even my precious Phoenix (one of my favo= rite coasters) had a very bad PPP one year and dropped off my favorite list= . > But the first time I told brian about that, he and jeremy laughed at > me for a few days straight. >=20 > mike And rightly so... that's just plain rediculous! But you know us... it's al= l in good fun. Razzle Dazzle bitches, -Brian From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon May 18 11:07:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86570 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 18:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 18:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 18:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 18:07:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 18:07:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:07:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <573C4AF5-1AE6-4D30-A4D9-0BA0C33B25DB@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: Lake Compounce Sunday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=KgLqPFCLzZGbWE0nAm6rrlXfI0HGTU6bXbisv2FAbX_O3d4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > We had a terrific day. It was pretty, if a little brisk, and the park = =20 > was empty. Walked onto Boulderdash for most of the day, and lines were = =20 > minimal everywhere else too. Alas, Wildcat was closed, but so it goes. I think it was because Garfield was on the front of the trains and they dro= pped that IP. I was there the Wednesday before opening and it looked quite= nice. They were putting the finishing touches on the new (used) Chance Wi= peout. I thought the photographs were a nice touch. =20 Adam From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon May 18 11:17:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 597 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 18:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 18:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 18:17:55 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1814794yxb.53 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 11:16:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.140 with SMTP id t12mr2679205ibt.44.1242670615049; Mon, 18 May 2009 11:16:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905180631j59633e79i5aa1c93f845c925d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905181116x39aac72udbfff17e9de1a45a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kings Island credits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=vt5AK6hIInuXFH8J_-gXo9yUS8Efo55j7laVdbLJMAJitGU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I think when i did that i was also probably padding in the race for 100. But that was the only ride I was rediculous about. Im pretty sure my list now does not have anything beyond reproach. there are a handful of shameful kiddie coasters, but nothing powered. On 5/18/09, tommytheduck wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > wrote: >> >> wach side with OTSR, each side with lapbars (but guys, its SUCH a >> different experience !) and then each side after a reprofile. >> >> It's down to 2 on my list now, but for a while I believed that any >> change on a ride large enough to seriously affect its ranking in my >> book is big enough to warrant another count. > > I agree somewhat, but not entirely. More so on wooden coasters, the ride > can change with no changes at all. Many rides are smooth when they first > open, only to deteriorate in a few years where they are no longer enjoyable. > Thunderhead comes to mind. Hell, even my precious Phoenix (one of my > favorite coasters) had a very bad PPP one year and dropped off my favorite > list. > > >> But the first time I told brian about that, he and jeremy laughed at >> me for a few days straight. >> >> mike > > > And rightly so... that's just plain rediculous! But you know us... it's all > in good fun. > > > Razzle Dazzle bitches, > -Brian > > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon May 18 11:25:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42052 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 18:25:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 18:25:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 18:25:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 18:25:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 18:25:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:25:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=bgRDk3cSqg5BSNu6qIr9e942tfdmR1eCE0xIeYV28N0yNop3x1Nf X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck MikeSka worte.. > > and Brian > > will love any coaster that his son can ride and enjoy (but come > > on...avatar?) Wait, earlier Mike, you said Avatar was a coaster... Now you're backing of= f? Yeah, we used to tease George about his "my kids will love this" saying= , but it's true. Even when Janice and I are able to get away somewhere wit= hout our son, our first thought is "you know who would really love this?...= " A few months ago I was thinking about things that I enjoy, hobbies, etc. W= hat I came up with is this. I cannot think of a single thing that I enjoy = more than riding ride rides with our son. Yes, I am a coaster tool, but it= 's the enjoyment that he gets that truely makes it fun. And he still hasn'= t reached the magical 48 inch mark yet, so it still has yet to take off com= pletely. I'm less of a "coaster tool" now than I used to be, but we do ten= d to plan many of our trips around parks. Perhaps when Boogie grows a few = more inches next year we'll go to SRM again.=20=20 > So nice to know you know so much about everyone else and what they'll=20 > think. I don't. Actually, I think it's funny you say that about Brian=20 > because that's what others used to say about me and my kids- though they= =20 > meant it in a friendly, joking manner. Not the depressing way you put=20 > it. frankly, if you're that jaded, I actually feel sorry for you. So=20 > much so that I wonder why you're still here except to spread the=20 > depressing attitude around. If that's it, then please, keep the=20 > depression and sleepiness to yourself. :) Come on George... Mike is one of the good guys. (like Benjamin Linus) Mike'= s a friend and he's only teasing. Besides, he will always hold a special p= lace in my heart, and everyone else's (besides George) who remembers the wh= ole "VBUADOML" incident. Sorry, I connot let it go. It makes me laugh even= today. As far as where the list went, we did see a decline in some of the most pro= lific posters over the last few years. Others probably drifted off to bigg= er sites, such as CB or the like. I tried CB for a while and didn't really= like it. Not because of the site itself, or even the people, it's because= I felt like an outsider trying to butt into a conversation between friends= . And that's maybe what people feel here too. I don't think we try to be = that way, it's just that sometimes the inside jokes can give that impressio= n. Except for that ball-tard Jon Osborne. He can eat a dick. But that's why I like posting here, because it's friendly, (above comment n= ot withstanding) and I feel like I know you guys well.=20=20 Chris, you want to meet at Cedar Point sometime, just let me know, we live = 50 minutes away.=20=20 Razzle Dazzle bitches, -Brian F. From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon May 18 12:30:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42278 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 19:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 19:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f222.google.com) (209.85.217.222) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 19:30:34 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f222.google.com with SMTP id 22so4637192gxk.23 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.1 with SMTP id r1mr2694921ibr.23.1242675034536; Mon, 18 May 2009 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905181230i3a482e29ge0e580732263447f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=uGgI_-WmqmTK82fGCWGTtfelssW4vp_IpUh6WoimjHnBYtBb X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Just have to throw out again that just because no one has anything to say doesn't mean the list is broken. It has never meant that. And I generally take offense at being called "broken" just because we're quiet. So what. There doesn't have to be non stop 24 hour action here. Sure, it's nice occasionally when there is, but it's certainly not needed or even wanted. And I certainly don't want a bunch of useless noise just because something thinks the quiet is "scary" or "means we're all dead" or whatever. Quality wins over quantity. If you don't have anything useful to say, don't type stuff just for the sake of making noise. It's nice to have a list that doesn't care about the latest news, doesn't discuss the latest ride and is just content to exist. We know each other, we don't need to discuss stuff. That doesn't mean we're broken and need to be fixed or even that we need to shut things down and go away. Some of us like it that way, so get off my lawn and stop trying to paint my house with all your pesky words! ...no, I'm not PMSing, why do you ask? From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon May 18 12:37:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97719 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 19:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 19:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 19:37:52 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1994100ywk.48 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 12:36:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.72.3 with SMTP id u3mr4554447aga.78.1242675412752; Mon, 18 May 2009 12:36:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905181230i3a482e29ge0e580732263447f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905181230i3a482e29ge0e580732263447f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:36:52 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905181236s3c9bb5c5sedd956bc0f639d98@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=NqdaaIfNciCLHZMIYa_oaRoWUCvHTObaPrOIQOs2bhJpXA-AAA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny "get off my lawn!" is going to become a catchphrase of mine, shortly. The bank accepted the offer we put on our house, and we should be moving in within the next month! :-D Josh On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Beth Aslakson wrote: > > > Just have to throw out again that just because no one has anything to > say doesn't mean the list is broken. It has never meant that. > > And I generally take offense at being called "broken" just because we're > quiet. > > So what. > > There doesn't have to be non stop 24 hour action here. Sure, it's nice > occasionally when there is, but it's certainly not needed or even > wanted. And I certainly don't want a bunch of useless noise just > because something thinks the quiet is "scary" or "means we're all > dead" or whatever. Quality wins over quantity. If you don't have > anything useful to say, don't type stuff just for the sake of making > noise. > > It's nice to have a list that doesn't care about the latest news, > doesn't discuss the latest ride and is just content to exist. We know > each other, we don't need to discuss stuff. That doesn't mean we're > broken and need to be fixed or even that we need to shut things down > and go away. > > Some of us like it that way, so get off my lawn and stop trying to > paint my house with all your pesky words! > > ...no, I'm not PMSing, why do you ask? > >=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon May 18 12:38:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20091 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1801939ywm.30 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 12:38:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.38.202 with SMTP id c10mr2793064ibe.40.1242675524780; Mon, 18 May 2009 12:38:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905181230i3a482e29ge0e580732263447f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905181230i3a482e29ge0e580732263447f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:38:44 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905181238i2c9a4390oe13485ba34406a2a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=6NsG6nCKAYK9WOGWFeIqp-gfJzPhuSXJqPu7Jajhjq7A2Yg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Beth, that was the exact point I was trying to make with my post. You just said it a little nicer. George, I will respond to your overtly and intentionally insulting post when I have access to a real computer. Since purchasing my house my internet has been almost entirely limited to my phone. But for now, whats the deal with threatening to close the list? I havent heard anyone ask for that. mikeska On 5/18/09, Beth Aslakson wrote: > Just have to throw out again that just because no one has anything to > say doesn't mean the list is broken. It has never meant that. > > And I generally take offense at being called "broken" just because we're > quiet. > > So what. > > There doesn't have to be non stop 24 hour action here. Sure, it's nice > occasionally when there is, but it's certainly not needed or even > wanted. And I certainly don't want a bunch of useless noise just > because something thinks the quiet is "scary" or "means we're all > dead" or whatever. Quality wins over quantity. If you don't have > anything useful to say, don't type stuff just for the sake of making > noise. > > It's nice to have a list that doesn't care about the latest news, > doesn't discuss the latest ride and is just content to exist. We know > each other, we don't need to discuss stuff. That doesn't mean we're > broken and need to be fixed or even that we need to shut things down > and go away. > > Some of us like it that way, so get off my lawn and stop trying to > paint my house with all your pesky words! > > ...no, I'm not PMSing, why do you ask? > From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon May 18 13:56:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64670 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 20:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 20:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 20:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-24-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.24.241]:45141 helo=[10.0.1.198]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1M69sF-0000jK-9c for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 May 2009 16:55:51 -0400 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1242647778.285.90878.m5@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:55:48 -0400 References: <1242647778.285.90878.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 3239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=wO0MVsE5q-L-eoMMth732UIY-MB-bePuMGUTRz_anTUneX7DcBfavQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > George wrote: >> > >> I went to LC today with my kids (both over 48" now) and a couple of >> students from the law school, plus one student's kids. (They were >> winners of an auction item I donate for the law school auction, where >> I'll take them to either SFNE or LC and talk about amusement park >> safety and litigation and ride the rides.) > > How did that work? Sounds like a neat idea for a trip. It was pretty fun. I've done this for several years, with students mostly picking SFNE. This time I had my kids and one of the student's kids, so I was a little less detailed than usual. Plus I know somewhat less about accidents at LC than I do about the big SROS one at SFNE, which I followed quite closely. But it's always fun to talk about amusement safety and the law related to it. > > >> Boulderdash was running as well as I remember it running -- smooth, >> fast, wild. I could tell there were changes on the return run, but >> it's been too long since I've been there to know for sure what the >> changes were. I vaguely remember trick track that's gone, is that >> right? Seemed to be replaced by a (sweet) double up? > > Having never been on Boulderdash, I wouldn't know. Seems like there > should someone around here who knows what, if any, changes were made > to > the coaster. I've confirmed elsewhere that it was a trick track section (that never worked great, in my view) replaced with a double up (that works great). > > >> Oh! And this was Liam's first time on a big coaster; I can't say he >> loved it, but he rode twice and later said it was his favorite thing. >> And Ella is utterly hooked, riding hands-up in the front seat >> multiple >> times. Whoo! > > So much fun once the kids seem to get the bug. I'm grateful mine > caught > it early, though my son was a bit slower in developing than my > daughter. > He still has his moments. He's a bit anxious about Manta just > because > it's going to be different for him, but I'm confident once he's on > he's > going to love it. My daughter can't wait. > We're heading out on a month-long road trip this June and will hit at least Adventureland (Iowa) and Holiday World. Both kids are excited for the coasters at each park. I've never been to Adventureland and last time we were at HW, Liam wasn't tall enough to ride the coasters. Now we can do most everything! Bill From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon May 18 14:29:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72309 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 21:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 21:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 21:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 21:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 21:29:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:29:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 166.128.167.63 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=8lN5yHYet6J1PVBmgwn8qmj6UkiTF1ODFDfp0LWXAKX_JJvfbZm2FgjNsA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > Manta sort of is. Anyone been on them? Anyone care? "sort of"? why, what happened?=20 =20 > Has anyone, besides Bill, been to a park yet this year? Did you care=20 > that you went? Was there anything there worth talking about? If not,=20 > why did you bother going? :P (yes, I'm trying to get you out of the fun= k) hey, dont look at me. i just posted a TR of IOA a couple of weeks ago. but = aside from that its just been the usual BGT trips this year.=20 i wonder if the economy has a lot to do with the lack of posts. id say some= members are out of work (like myself) and are preoccupied with trying to f= ind jobs. combined with the fact that the park are in tough shape themselve= s. and besides, the sort of "arms race" of parks trying to build truly outl= andish rides like X and TTD are kinda over now. i duno, maybe we are just s= poiled. or jaded. i duno.=20 =20 > If you don't go the parks anymore, why not? i can hit the local parks. and id love to get disney passes. but seeing as = it would cost us $800 for the 3 of us, we dont have that kinda expendable c= ash right now. and my BGT passes just ran out. and i dont know what happens= now. the renew price goes up now too, thanks to Aquatica from what i hear.= so we might downgrade to the cheaper passes. sad.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon May 18 14:36:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99553 invoked from network); 18 May 2009 21:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2009 21:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2009 21:36:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 21:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2009 21:35:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:35:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <468533.39800.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 166.128.167.63 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=tPcT4RuBIxJYgNH1v5jBRqa1fMFUFis32wmmEC4sM9r2ovVCHrWDSIrGfw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Kimberly wrote: > > Well I may not have much worth discussing, but wanted to introduce myself= . I'm Kim, living in Pensacola, Florida and mom of 3.=20 w00t! another Floridian, george! Kim, how old are your kids?=20 >I thought about SFOG, but my 13 year old twin girls are rather chicken, an= d not sure it would be worth it to take them.=20 great park, if you want to deal with the hell on earth that is atlanta and = trying to get around it. and yeah it is sort of great park if you are into = big rides, not so much if you have smaller ones though.=20 why not head to the orlando/tampa area instead? no shortage of parks there,= but i dont know what the distance difference is for pensacola.=20 From kim221998@yahoo.com Mon May 18 19:14:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kim221998@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82935 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 02:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 02:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.139) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 02:14:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68049 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2009 02:13:30 -0000 Message-ID: <39310.67522.qm@web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kyN8DxoVM1mKGoJsFxvTqVrpAlp2hSHePyfoq1b1AO5Kovxr8FfRa4WezTnBjvvrH5nyUSd8WdYdLN0gEPmSKATccGE_qshHlLh.IaaFcl6oStCNRQ4QcHtPyPap4D1lv95gzFL4p46dTs0eRaVzo0zHdd1S_4PKqUMoJ_nKhopoDsBSaltB6vZNBlkRSbwkTPm.wBLkWFK4spDaWaFOvuQBPLNLX3DJzsDoW1WhbnZ8OuopHZALRdLe6RhOWz1ya6q5NWuupUBQhz4rfRkno_5A8cdO5..gkCpcI.DGWimLDYxnUIHb8ioPfs0FH27hWrdLKldniCeF_6lnqfmwqG77rKmK4Hamdj4c8HDstLuyXDmerw-- X-Received: from [98.183.6.173] by web111502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 May 2009 19:13:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:13:29 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kimberly Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121539762; y=YSa8oewIKIO4HwxEEzvw9NsLvnzwS-Gd7MmUiHS20AM2OBIe X-Yahoo-Profile: kim221998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the suggestion...I do plan to head to the Orlando/Tampa area soo= ner or later...been to=A0long since I hit IOA! Its about 8 hours if I remem= ber right. I'm just going to Alabama to visit my family and was looking for= places..which is why I was thinking of Alabama Adventure of Six Flags. Hav= en't been to Orlando in YEARS!!! Can't wait to get back there! Kim check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Doug Nelson wrote: From: Doug Nelson Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of dis= cussing?/New Member To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:35 PM --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Kimberly wrote: > > Well I may not have much worth discussing, but wanted to introduce myself= . I'm Kim, living in Pensacola, Florida and mom of 3.=20 w00t! another Floridian, george! Kim, how old are your kids?=20 >I thought about SFOG, but my 13 year old twin girls are rather chicken, an= d not sure it would be worth it to take them.=20 great park, if you want to deal with the hell on earth that is atlanta and = trying to get around it. and yeah it is sort of great park if you are into = big rides, not so much if you have smaller ones though.=20 why not head to the orlando/tampa area instead? no shortage of parks there,= but i dont know what the distance difference is for pensacola.=20 ------------------------------------ Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that!=A0 Spread the word ab= out Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lsc_2nv@yahoo.com Mon May 18 23:09:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lsc_2nv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75149 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 06:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 06:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 06:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 06:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 06:09:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:09:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 167.1.146.100 From: "Steve" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192283091; y=j8Vnns0CkQkGQn_Bj10jAPwfSiRvLkLnMwZpKagYhRh5Dg X-Yahoo-Profile: lsc_2nv --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > Please, start talking, commenting, saying something!! >=20 > I see the comments from all of the people that join the list, but So few= =20 > seem to post. I've had 15 new members in the last month. Where are all= =20 > of you? Introductions? Favorite parks and rides? Something? >=20 > keep on ridin' > George > Hi George!=20 Gee, did I come at a bad time?!? =3D) I guess an introduction is in order= ... Hi everybody. My name is Steve Rice. I know George from the Florida Coaster= Club. You may hear me referred to as 'Cheeky' or "Chef'. It's all good. Be= en with FLCC since 2005. My wife and 2 girls are all coaster fanatics too. = We've always been amusement park people, but when we joined the club, we ki= cked it up a notch!=20 We have travelled with the club quite a bit.=20 *Holiday World for Voyage opening... *Cedar Point (twice) *Coney Is/Great Adv/Dorney/Hershey on our NY/NJ/PA trip. *Cali trip - MM/Disney&Cali Adv/US/Knotts (at Halloween!) *Hard Rock Park - Summer '08 (R.I.P.) "Led Zeppelin The Ride" was way to go= od to die as such a young age! A credit, I will cherish!! Been to several media days... *SheiKra (Both, Grand opening and Floorless re-opening) *Voyage *Aquatica *Everest (@ Animal Kingdom) *Shamu (with my youngest) *(pending) Manta (in 2 days if the rain lets up)(Anybody else going?) Best ERT experience... 1 hour and 20 minutes on Millennium Force! No 'walk arounds' either. Out of= one train, through the gate and onto the train in front. Awesome! Enough intro. Hopefully I'll have something entertaining or thought provoki= ng to add from time to time. Till then, (in the imortal words of Chef Ramse= y..) Piss off! (and I mean that in the nicest way!) From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 05:27:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88370 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 12:27:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 12:27:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 12:27:05 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6OP7-0008K0-HQ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 08:26:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4A12A57E.1090504@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:26:38 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <468533.39800.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <468533.39800.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d8657dde258aefe06137a7ae1d17b4006350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=jHOOGQqroxCJp-zLrVVkoPha1fd2Ao0qDDbp2aHYN6ujPgk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Welcome Kimberly! Kimberly wrote: > > Well I may not have much worth discussing, but wanted to introduce > myself. I'm Kim, living in Pensacola, Florida and mom of 3.I'm > debating taking my kids to Alabama Adventure when we visit Birmingham in > a couple of weeks, but I've read alot of bad reviews about it on trip > advisor and such that i'm kind of concerned about it, plus the cost > seemed kind of high compared to what's available. I haven't been since > it was Visionland. Anyone have any thoughts on the place? I haven't been there myself, so I can't really comment on it much. A few years ago when we moved from CA to FL I had a choice of routes, one of which included Visionland. We chose the route through Georgia and visited SFoG and Wild Adventures in Valdosta instead. Take that for what you will. :) My goal is to get > to Cedar Point sooner or later! Cedar Point is a great park, and one that should be visited at least once if you're able. But I'm going to commit heresy here and say that there are a lot of parks that I like better than CP, and honestly if I had the choice there's at least a dozen I'd say to visit first, before you go there (e.g. Silver Dollar City, Dollywood, Busch Gardens Europe, etc.) Anyone have any suggestions on parks > reasonably close by (to Pensacola, FL) that 13 year old kids afraid to > go upside may enjoy? Have you visited the previously mentioned Wild Adventures in Valdosta? It's not that far of a drive for you, and is actually a fairly nice park if you're not expecting anything big or fancy. Many of the rides are carnival style rides, with a mix of some permanent ones thrown in as well. But it's a good mix with something for everyone. We really had a great time there a few years ago and I've been itching to get back ever since. Thanks for joining us. Hope you enjoy the list! keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 05:34:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23869 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 12:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 12:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 12:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6OWQ-0005vs-6E for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 08:34:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4A12A743.9040004@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:34:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3de5a2dfc7f189846dfc385a79b5bf6741350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=fEtTSZprfTikCYgLvuC_AIv_JT2Zs8YTQdac2_kp_dgUlIY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris wrote: > > I'll be the first to admit that I've been spoiled by the instant > gratification of the TPRs, CoasterFanatics, etc of the internet. I've > also been shortchanging this site a lot as it seems to be a case of > diminishing returns, and I've still had pretty horrible luck meeting up > with folks from this site for more than 10 minutes, or even 5 with some > folks. > LOL! Well, ok, I'm going to make up for my pratfall there finally on Thursday. I still can't believe I did that and hung you out to dry like that. Trust me, my kids have reminded me a couple of times as well. Adn boy has the wife! :P > > A 2 year old boy was killed in England after getting hit by a coaster > > last week. > > I've commented on this at a European site, they all seem to want to > blame the parents. I think the fair operator is at least partly to > blame. Nobody seemed to agree. What I've heard there is still a lot left that's not known. It shocked me when I read it though. > Interested, but it's Magic Mountain. My trip there this year did not > find any noticeable improvement in operations at all. (Stacking in > single-train operations!?!) I hadn't been in several years, but it was > by far my worst trip ever. They have less than 10 adult flat rides, but > they are adding yet another coaster? The place is a shell of its former > self, and IMHO anyone who claims otherwise is misleading themselves. That's sad to hear. I've heard a lot of things about how they're improving, but the park was run so far into the ground that it's going to take a lot of work to get it back. How do you stack a single train operation though? Years ago I would have put their operations up at the best in the industry. I honestly thought they were better than Cedar Point the year I visited there. But boy did they fall off of that pinnacle. > > > Diamonback is open. Manta sort of is. Anyone been on them? Anyone care? > > I loved Diamondback, and look forward to seeing you on Thursday for some > Manta ERT, George! Can't wait. We'll be out there tomorrow and Thurs. It's been raining a bunch the last couple of days, and there's a very good chance we'll get rained on for the media days. Come prepared to get wet. :) > I still love the hobby, and the travel that goes with it. I'm finding > myself less able to stomach the flat rides than ever, and sometimes even > coasters are starting to make me a little queasy. I still want to ride > them all, though! I've got some friends (and I can't remember who it was) that are in the clubs that have similar issues. They actually take dramamine, or something similar, before they go to a park. Takes care of the motion sickness and they can ride without any problems then. > > What's been bothering me most is that the more I participate in online > interaction with enthusiasts, the less I care to interact with coaster > enthusiasts in person. I miss the days when this was the only place I knew. I know what you mean. Personally, I only have this, one coaster forum, a club forum, and Screamscape, and that's about all I frequent anymore. And sometimes it feels like a struggle and fight to keep here from having the same kind of thing happen. (hence the blow up. hehe) keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 05:49:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81183 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 12:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 12:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 12:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6OlV-0005SE-Cx for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 08:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:49:46 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d265c22ddf9f35dd87ef1c8d64f146a76350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=A8p9WxxRZlcu2gXtqdZ1LPAHK0ogXMcUhTsJY79BllLQ2eM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > >> But the reminders hardly seem to forge much discussion beyond mockery > >> of the reminder itself. > > > > Only by a few. Y'know, I actually have had people tell me that they > > like getting them- even the more obscure ones. > > Then how come so few people spoke up in their defense? Sorry, but if > you're not willing to post your opinion publically, you obviously > don't feel very strongly about it. And if you're not going to post > publically (ie if you're not actively participating in the list), why > should we care what you think about the reminders? I've had a few send me notes offlist about them. There are a couple of reasons they don't post publicly (yes, I did ask!). One is there are a couple afraid of spammers getting their email addresses, one is blocked at work, and 3-4 of them told me they really didn't want to submit themselves to getting blasted for having a contrary opinion. Call it insecurity, or what not, but that's how they felt, and I can't really blame them. > > > And frankly, and bluntly > > honestly, it ticks me off when people can't do more than post a crap > > comment in response to them- especially people who can't seem to be > > bothered to post more than that kind of a post about anything anyways. > > The only time this happened was when the same reminder posted day > after day after day. Sorry, but I don't need to be told that some > trade show is going on in China for 14 days in a row. Once is more > than plenty. I'll agree that reminder was a bit annoying, but it most certainly was NOT the only time that happened Nate. It's come up several times over the last couple of years. > Aside from one new poster everyone seemed to have a problem with (and > for good reason), I haven't seen ANYONE give a new poster any sort of > attitude. Sorry, George, but that's not what's keeping them from > posting. This is still the nicest and most welcoming group I've seen > online by far. Even in the "old days" when we were constantly adding > new members, only 1-2% as best ever posted. That's just the way it > is. It's the way it always has been. Many people lurk for a while before they post, to get a feel for a group and see how welcoming it is. Then they'll decide if they want to post or not. And frankly, the comments I've received from a couple of them when they unsubscribed later definitely implicated those posting on the list. They didn't want to submit themselves to be treated how they saw others treated. I'll agree on our one poster, but that doesn't mean we had to stoop not only to his level, but beyond it (and yes, I do include myself in that) Keep in mind, I get a lot of feedback and input off list that many of you never see. I get comments from people that they don't want to submit to the list for various reasons (and usually for good cause) I see who adds, and also who drops. And everytime someone drops, they get an automatic note, as well as usually getting a personal note from me, asking why. Some of those return comments are very revealing- especially the ones that have come from long time members that have left in the last few months. I think some of you might be surprised by those. > > > So nice to know you know so much about everyone else and what they'll > > think. I don't. > > Not to speak for Mike, but I think you took his paragraph far too > seriously (and far too literally) than he intended. heh, wouldn't be the first time now, would it? :) I think his > overall point got lost in there somewhere, but I think it's a good > one. We're a small group. Most of us know enough about each other > and our likes/dislikes because we've read the trip reports and had the > discussions. Again, like Mike and Beth, you're only accounting for a small handful of people. There's a lot of people out there that you don't know their likes, dislikes, etc. Some of which would actually like to post and participate but don't feel welcome because they're not part of the "inside, regular click" It's time to break down our cliqueiness (is that a word?) and start opening it up for others- encouraging them to post and welcoming when they do, even when they're not what we like or want to say. > > >> So what. It's our list, it has been since the 90s, and we like it. > > > > I don't. Not anymore, and not the way it is- at least not the attitudes > > and unwillingness to participate, respect others who are willing to > > participate, or people who complain when there's something posted on the > > list. > > I guess I just don't see the attitude that you do. Three of you have now posted it (and I do consider all of you friends by the way, so don't take this wrong) But the like and appreciation of a quiet list is what's getting me. It's almost sounding preferred by some of the regulars that people aren't posting, and that bothers me. That's what I'm aiming to correct. After all, this is a talk and discussion list- shouldn't we be welcoming talk and discussion, not happy that it's not happening? > > > I noticed you didn't respond to the challenge. But then no one else has > > either. > > Maybe I missed it, but what was the challenge? > It was in my other post- and I do have to say that a few are starting to step up (which is very good to see!) but here it is again: > Ok, then here's my challenge, to you and others that find them that way- > contribute something of substance. You want something in depth, then > it's up to you to put something out there. Don't be blaming others > because what they did didn't meet your standards if what you're putting > out there doesn't either- and especially if you're not putting anything > out there. (BTW Mike, that's not directed to you specifically, but at a > rather broad group of people). > > This list used to have 15-30 posts a day, most of it in depth > discussion. And I understand why it's slowed down so much over the last > couple of years. Trust me. But what really cracks me up is the irony > of those complaining that they want quality posts but don't post quality > comments themselves. If you want discussion, then you've got to be part > of it as well. > > The sad thing is, I only see what looks to be about 8 people who really > seem to want any sort of discussion, and no one responding to those > even. So until others start putting more out there, at least the > calendar reminders can help start the occasional talk. So there it is again for you. And with that, I have to run to a funeral. wheeeeeeeee :) keep on ridin' George From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue May 19 06:38:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32207 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 13:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 13:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 13:38:10 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so2129511ywj.83 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 06:37:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.15.138 with SMTP id k10mr15955iba.26.1242740230508; Tue, 19 May 2009 06:37:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:37:10 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905190637n51e51473odb0083e614e8280d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=7UdG8aEcKYPxjxzz6rdZ5UjY2ugutErRq8l23Ov56ROP_Lw7 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:49 AM, george burnash wr= ote: > I think his >> overall point got lost in there somewhere, but I think it's a good >> one. We're a small group. Most of us know enough about each other >> and our likes/dislikes because we've read the trip reports and had the >> discussions. > > Again, like Mike and Beth, you're only accounting for a small handful of > people. =A0There's a lot of people out there that you don't know their > likes, dislikes, etc. =A0Some of which would actually like to post and > participate but don't feel welcome because they're not part of the > "inside, regular click" =A0It's time to break down our cliqueiness (is > that a word?) and start opening it up for others- encouraging them to > post and welcoming when they do, even when they're not what we like or > want to say. > I was aiming for a little sarcasm in my pissy tyrade (sadly, that's how dull and sweet and whatever I am, that that amounts for a pissy tyrade... ) There's lots of wide open internet space, and when those of us who actually do take fingers to keys stop doing so, no one else ever seems to step up to fill the void. So things go quiet, then someone complains that it's quiet, and we have this argument over the quiet and people start talking for the sake of talking because they've been driven out of lurkdom and because it feels forced it feels fake and because it feels fake it doesn't last... rinse, and repeat. So if you want to lurk, lurk. There is nothing wrong or bad about reading stuff on the internet and never offering any interaction or contributing to the conversation. That's 99.9% of what most of us do everywhere all the time. If you don't want to lurk, be genuine about it. Don't just post because you feel some sense of obligation to post. Post because you genuinely are interested in sharing something you've found. Or post because you want to discuss something in a different way that is being rejected or ignored on a different forum. Or post because you're actually getting away from the computer and going somewhere and want to share your experience (but don't feel obligated to either, TRs can start feeling like homework, and most of us are grownups who don't want to do homework anymore). And be open to it starting a conversation even if other people are going to disagree with you. Because people are going to disagree with you eventually about something. Especially Nate, he likes to debate. ;) Intro posts are fine, but they need follow up, they need to go somewhere. Honestly, most of the forums I'm active on, I've never posted an intro post. I've lurked for a bit, found something being asked or discussed that I could contribute to and just started posting. It takes a lot of the formality out of it, you aren't just throwing yourself out there blindly and making yourself stand out like a sore thumb. You're sneaking into an already ongoing discussion. I'd MUCH rather see someone new reply to this thread with their opinions or even a counter argument. And George, I think you're great, but your teachy way of asking leading questions trying to force the discussion along a path it doesn't want to take, also seems to kind of kill the discussions and real-ness of the conversations. It's a short term patch and never actually seems to work in the long term. Try something else if you really have a problem with the quiet... that one didn't fix it the last 6 times we had this debate either. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue May 19 07:15:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24931 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 14:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 14:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 14:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 14:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 14:14:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:14:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=T7TKYegyZhv5Wt0KWczZLSHB82Smn6fhy4eudfy-ELQr0rGdS-oZgwIkWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > We have travelled with the club quite a bit.=20 > *Holiday World for Voyage opening... > *Cedar Point (twice) > *Coney Is/Great Adv/Dorney/Hershey on our NY/NJ/PA trip. > *Cali trip - MM/Disney&Cali Adv/US/Knotts (at Halloween!) > *Hard Rock Park - Summer '08 (R.I.P.) "Led Zeppelin The Ride" was way to = good to die as such a young age! A credit, I will cherish!! >=20 > Been to several media days... > *SheiKra (Both, Grand opening and Floorless re-opening) > *Voyage > *Aquatica > *Everest (@ Animal Kingdom) > *Shamu (with my youngest) > *(pending) Manta (in 2 days if the rain lets up)(Anybody else going?) i cant speak for everyone, but i would love to hear about these media day e= vents. especially since ive never been to one. and we definitely need more = TRs. i realize some people could care less, but personally I love the way J= ay writes his. Its like I'm there with them. I never tire of reading them, = whoever does them. and we need more pics too. id say thats my one gripe wit= h Yahoo is that its sort of a hassle to post pics and actually get people t= o see them. sometimes i just want to attach a couple of images to a post li= ke on a vBulletin board.=20 having said that, nice to meet you Steve. im starting to feel like the majo= rity of people here are in Florida. Rays rule!=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue May 19 07:20:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94907 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 14:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 14:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 14:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 14:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 14:20:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:20:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A12A57E.1090504@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=sDyLZCcM6guupRqFSWJ4aP-SqlUdbgRlQu_Z7agdfbSO-S5mB4Ud8aghEA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > Have you visited the previously mentioned Wild Adventures in Valdosta?=20 > It's not that far of a drive for you, and is actually a fairly nice park= =20 > if you're not expecting anything big or fancy. Many of the rides are=20 > carnival style rides, with a mix of some permanent ones thrown in as=20 > well. But it's a good mix with something for everyone. We really had a= =20 > great time there a few years ago and I've been itching to get back ever=20 > since. its sad that the same can no longer be said about Cypress Gardens, the sist= er park. i havent seen it this year since they ripped the rides out, and i = have no intention of going. i still say that decision will be the self-infl= icted fatal blow. who wants to go to a sub-par water park, other than the l= ocals?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue May 19 07:37:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67210 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 14:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 14:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 14:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 14:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 14:36:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:36:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905190637n51e51473odb0083e614e8280d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=NlaufI4TcTMwSrP2hIQkX7L9awI9pKudu33Wou5guqvpavj4w8ffc5BpOw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wro= te: > Intro posts are fine, but they need follow up, they need to go > somewhere. Honestly, most of the forums I'm active on, I've never > posted an intro post. I've lurked for a bit, found something being > asked or discussed that I could contribute to and just started > posting.=20 as do I with other forums I belong to. but, here's the thing. i dont know a= bout you, but most of the other forums that i belong to are not as interest= specific as this one. they are just forums that mix politics, arts, person= al stuff, etc. its a little harder to jump into a discussion here since the= topic is quite narrow. and if you are just learning about coasters and you= join up here, it might be hard to contribute. i think thats why intros are= important. for example, someone might not know alot about coasters, but if= they say they have kids, as do i, i might be able to get them to talk abou= t their experiences with their kids at a park as it relates to me and mine.= =20 > And George, I think you're great, but your teachy way of asking > leading questions trying to force the discussion along a path it > doesn't want to take, also seems to kind of kill the discussions and > real-ness of the conversations.=20 or he could be asking questions because, ya know, hes genuinely curious. i = know i dont ask a question to someone on a forum unless i honestly want an = answer. i dont do it to spark a discussion or a debate, though that would b= e nice. im actually interested.=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 19 08:17:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53785 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 15:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 15:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 15:17:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5747 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 15:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 May 2009 15:16:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4A12CD52.6070805@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:16:34 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Trip Report: Buccaneer Battle media day (SFGAm) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=JEgoJtiQZqMjH_MsRRZPQmfosB4XOqPleDIb3fE4mIVS5TiI X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Guys, I was at media day last week for Buccaneer Battle, and can tell you that it is a surprisingly cool little ride. I will admit that I went in there not expecting much as the only other Splash Battle I've been on is the one at Indiana Beach, and while I love that park, the ride is pretty dull. Plus there's the fact that I just don't really like water rides that much. However, I was really impressed. I can't imagine anyone not having fun on this (provided they don't mind a soaking). There are loads of guns around the ride for people to use (and yes, they're free). The course has the boats passing each other several times, so you can have fun firing on other riders. The theming throughout the whole area is very well done, and it's all just very well setup. The staff running the event were really cool, very friendly and chatty; and obviously really happy with their new ride. The general feeling there was extremely positive, which was great to see given the economy. With a capacity at over 1500 people per hour (14 boats, 8 people each), this thing is going to seriously rock in the busy summer days. I really like the idea of family rides, and this one fits the bill so well. I don't consider the Wiggles, Loony Toons and Cartoon Network crap to be family at all, they're all for tiny little kids only. When we got there I heard a grandfather so excited that he was able to ride BB with his grand-son. I can totally see parents and kids (even teenagers) having a blast with this. See photos here: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=110913&id=641313495&l=9169dfbf28 Cameron. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 19 09:46:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98589 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 16:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 16:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f173.google.com) (209.85.221.173) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 16:46:33 -0000 X-Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so6965028qyk.3 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:45:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.75.9 with SMTP id w9mr443999vcj.82.1242751533347; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:45:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=GzgLwInBgwI1BJ-vtWUR0rA3uS7YPPlT4ENwK85xzM-G5uHp_k3S8BQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 [re: anniversary reminders] >> Then how come so few people spoke up in their defense? > I've had a few send me notes offlist about them. There are a couple of > reasons they don't post publicly (yes, I did ask!). One is there are a > couple afraid of spammers getting their email addresses, one is blocked > at work, and 3-4 of them told me they really didn't want to submit > themselves to getting blasted for having a contrary opinion. Call it > insecurity, or what not, but that's how they felt, and I can't really > blame them. That's fine. But why should those of us who actively participate in the list have to put up with stuff we find annoying (anniversary reminders) just because "some people" like them. Meanwhile, those people aren't participating in discussions, and can't even be bothered to post that they like receiving the reminders! This is blunt, but why should I care what those people think? I mean, we can put on a face and claim that all members are created equal around here, but if you only want to lurk, you don't get a say in how the list operates (and that's by *choice*). I'd rather have a list of 25 people who all actively post than a list of 300 people where only 5-10 people post. So if you're actively posting, I truly believe your opinion with regards to how the list operates counts much more than those who only shoot the moderator a note once in awhile. And *please* note that I really don't believe there's anything wrong with lurking. If that's what you want to do, that's completely fine with me. I hope you enjoy reading the discussions here. But until you choose to post publically, you're choosing not to have a say in the list's operation. That seems simple to me. >> The only time this happened was when the same reminder posted day >> after day after day. Sorry, but I don't need to be told that some >> trade show is going on in China for 14 days in a row. Once is more >> than plenty. > > I'll agree that reminder was a bit annoying, but it most certainly was > NOT the only time that happened Nate. It's come up several times over > the last couple of years. Yeah, it came up several times. And every time it was either because (a) the same reminder posted day after day for two weeks, or (b) the reminder referenced some obscure park or scarcely-related topic nobody had ever heard of. > Many people lurk for a while before they post, to get a feel for a group > and see how welcoming it is. Then they'll decide if they want to post > or not. And frankly, the comments I've received from a couple of them > when they unsubscribed later definitely implicated those posting on the > list. They didn't want to submit themselves to be treated how they saw > others treated. And I still don't see it. I don't see major attitude here. I don't see members berating each other, and I certainly don't see people berating new people. I don't currently see the comments, George, but I used to. But having read them in the past, I'm inclined that most of them are along the lines of "not interested anymore" or "don't want to receive so much mail" vs "people are rude." > Some of those return comments are very revealing- > especially the ones that have come from long time members that have left > in the last few months. I think some of you might be surprised by those. I'm really hoping you don't take this the wrong way, but why not share that information with the group then? Or with the guilty party/parties? If we're losing long-term members, I'd be very happy to know why (other than vague references to some undefined conduct around here). > Three of you have now posted it (and I do consider all of you friends by > the way, so don't take this wrong) But the like and appreciation of a > quiet list is what's getting me. It's almost sounding preferred by some > of the regulars that people aren't posting, and that bothers me. I wouldn't say that I prefer a quiet list. However, I do agree with two major points that Beth has made: 1. I'd prefer a semi-quiet list than one in which people post just for the sake of posting. Quality wins out over quantity every time for me. 2. The same people are always involved in discussions, and frankly it can't always be up to them (us?) to spur conversation. I'm not going to actively try to start conversation. I'll jump in when I want to respond to something of interest to me. And I'll post when I have something to share. But I'm not going to dig my heels in and constantly post just to try to get people to reply (which references right back to point #1). >> Ok, then here's my challenge, to you and others that find them that way- >> contribute something of substance. You want something in depth, then >> it's up to you to put something out there. Don't be blaming others >> because what they did didn't meet your standards if what you're putting >> out there doesn't either- and especially if you're not putting anything >> out there. Of all the points I've made, I *really* don't want you to take this one wrong. But you're the only one who's complaining. I do post when I have something to say or contribute. But *I'm* not blaming others for the list not meeting my standards. I will make an effort to post more often when I see something newsworthy, or when I've been to a park. But I'm not going to try to stir up discussion or debates that I've had before (ie posting just for the sake of posting). I hope you understand that. All that said, I think you clipped the best part of my previous post. I hope you (and others) read it again: "Even in the "old days" when we were constantly adding new members, only 1-2% as best ever posted. That's just the way it is. It's the way it always has been." Has that much really changed? -Nate (BTW Mike, that's not directed to you specifically, but at a >> rather broad group of people). >> >> This list used to have 15-30 posts a day, most of it in depth >> discussion. And I understand why it's slowed down so much over the last >> couple of years. Trust me. But what really cracks me up is the irony >> of those complaining that they want quality posts but don't post quality >> comments themselves. If you want discussion, then you've got to be part >> of it as well. >> >> The sad thing is, I only see what looks to be about 8 people who really >> seem to want any sort of discussion, and no one responding to those >> even. So until others start putting more out there, at least the >> calendar reminders can help start the occasional talk. > > So there it is again for you. And with that, I have to run to a > funeral. wheeeeeeeee :) > > keep on ridin' > George > >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 19 09:50:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22114 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 16:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 16:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f194.google.com) (209.85.221.194) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 16:50:11 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f194.google.com with SMTP id 32so6256216qyk.0 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:50:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.85.81 with SMTP id n17mr473834vcl.54.1242751811104; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:50:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A12CD52.6070805@buzzneon.com> References: <4A12CD52.6070805@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:50:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Report: Buccaneer Battle media day (SFGAm) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=gIratpACCc7WfaZhaZbujcDeu_RP5SQ50Jah1-wvCVRszJrhtaqvxSM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > With a capacity at over 1500 people per hour (14 boats, 8 people each), > this thing is going to seriously rock in the busy summer days. How does the loading for this ride work? The reason I ask is because I've seen that capacity quote, and I don't buy it. They'd have to load and dispatch a boat every 19 seconds in order to hit 1500pph. Can you estimate how often they were dispatching on media day? Thanks for the report. I do think the area looks nice. The theming is great. It doesn't even come close to fitting into "County Fair," and I find that disappointing. This is no Deja Vu, and I have little interest in visiting SFGAm since they ripped that out (I did not go last year, and I will probably not go this year). But I'm glad to see they didn't do it half-assed. :) -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 10:39:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46517 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 17:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 17:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 17:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6THj-0005ej-NY for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: <4A12EEC9.2040805@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:39:21 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3ddc5d5a0a9531b0267ad1bc7f00c8222c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=9gkpjD7xuuA4-T610imad7OYZZPmZTkaRSdN8aMJbOwTHpg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Steve wrote: > Hi George! > > Gee, did I come at a bad time?!? =) I guess an introduction is in order... LOL. I wouldn't say so. Just a very extended, quiet one- so I'm trying to get us moving again. :) > *(pending) Manta (in 2 days if the rain lets up)(Anybody else going?) Chris from the list will be there on Thurs, as will I with my 2 kids. Are either of your girls going to make it out there with you? I know that Amber would love it if they did. > > Best ERT experience... > 1 hour and 20 minutes on Millennium Force! No 'walk arounds' either. Out > of one train, through the gate and onto the train in front. Awesome! Wow! CP doesn't let you do that very often. I would definitly cherish that one. > > Enough intro. Hopefully I'll have something entertaining or thought > provoking to add from time to time. Till then, (in the imortal words of > Chef Ramsey..) Piss off! (and I mean that in the nicest way!) LOL! Now if only I could manage to make more of those events where you're cooking. I keep hearing about it, but I've only had the one picnic to sample at. Really gotta correct that failure on my part. keep on ridin' George From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 19 10:42:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18464 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 17:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 17:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 17:42:37 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so2339307ywe.3 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 10:42:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.84.2 with SMTP id h2mr213220agb.97.1242754946055; Tue, 19 May 2009 10:42:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A12EEC9.2040805@earthlink.net> References: <4A12EEC9.2040805@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:42:25 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905191042l5dcf47d5ye7c480acb9ff8bfc@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=cCgPIY9Vgg-dKgqOWkc0DVTlB3kKgWKMzowxDgVK3gUu5kTPhw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Actually, in the last 2 years or so, whenever it's a slow day, CP has been opening the gate on MF on regular operating days, and allowing walk-throughs. I can't speak for this year yet, and I haven't been, and may not get to go until later this year, once we're all moved in and have re-done the kitchen and bathroom. Josh > >> >> Best ERT experience... >> 1 hour and 20 minutes on Millennium Force! No 'walk arounds' either. Out >> of one train, through the gate and onto the train in front. Awesome! > > Wow! CP doesn't let you do that very often. I would definitly cherish > that one. > From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 10:51:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65771 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 17:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 17:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 17:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6TSw-0003z5-JM for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:51:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:50:55 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905181230i3a482e29ge0e580732263447f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905181230i3a482e29ge0e580732263447f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3dcc0c64b227285f4b2f08af3ce9bc2189350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=dLVh4nZ_c9izmkeRwU5eHomFPoSoSyINU3Mkr-I9eML5oag X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > Just have to throw out again that just because no one has anything to > say doesn't mean the list is broken. It has never meant that. > And I generally take offense at being called "broken" just because we're > quiet. > So what. > Sorry Beth, but I'm going to have to disagree with you. Look at the history of the list, and how it's been recently. A slow month used to be one where we would "only" have 10-15 posts a day, and were very often in the 25-30 posts a day range. I understand why that has slowed down some. I expect that with changing tech and so forth. However, over the last 7 months, with the rare exception, we've averaged closer to 2 or less posts a day- and a very large percentage of those are the automatic reminders. For a list that's based on discussion, whose whole purpose is talking- that's a death knell. That's not just slow, that's dead but not buried yet. > There doesn't have to be non stop 24 hour action here. Sure, it's nice > occasionally when there is, but it's certainly not needed or even > wanted. Not wanted? Wow, is that a change. That used to be one of the things that made this great- was that there was always some sort of discussion on several topics going on. There's lots of dead places out there that do nothing, and I was always pleased that this list wasn't one of them. And I certainly don't want a bunch of useless noise just > because something thinks the quiet is "scary" or "means we're all > dead" or whatever. Quality wins over quantity. If you don't have > anything useful to say, don't type stuff just for the sake of making > noise. Well, since we haven't much of either recently, it doesn't matter much. There hasn't been quality or quantity lately. Makes me wonder why bother. :P (and that's a joke there) > > It's nice to have a list that doesn't care about the latest news, > doesn't discuss the latest ride and is just content to exist. We know > each other, we don't need to discuss stuff. That doesn't mean we're > broken and need to be fixed or even that we need to shut things down > and go away. And again, I'd have to disagree on every one of those points. I liked discussing the news- with people that had a friendly and relatively mature viewpoint on it. I like hearing about the latest rides from people that can give some neat, unique viewpoints on them. And when we're not getting any of that- or much of anything else, then yes, I'd say we're broken and near completely dead. > > Some of us like it that way, so get off my lawn and stop trying to > paint my house with all your pesky words! > I thought we were much better when we were inviting people to come in and picnic on the lawn, enjoy the party, settle in and talk about what they like, and enjoy the conversation. There's plenty of other people that will tell you to be quiet and get off the lawn. We shouldn't be one of those places. keep on ridin' George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 11:13:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5055 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 18:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 18:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 18:13:05 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6To6-0006V9-Fd for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:12:54 -0400 Message-ID: <4A12F69F.9070900@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:12:47 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3dfbcdfbd2da01e0c409400420d84482ac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=w4qs9DN3v10yUIpxXnIWowGe3YSsIocW1dUdts3ANjmbzg4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Hitting a few different things and replies to different posts here: > Michael Cowan wrote: >> George, I will respond to your overtly and intentionally insulting >> post when I have access to a real computer. Since purchasing my house >> my internet has been almost entirely limited to my phone. Sorry for your internet troubles. At least you caught that I was being intentionally insulting. Sorry that you mistook that more of it was directed at you personally than was actually intended. But yes I was very deliberately trying to provoke a response from you and others. And hopefully y'all know me well enough to know that's not normal for me. So perhaps you'll take a second and look at the real reasoning behind that. Again Mike, most of it was NOT personal towards you, but towards the situation in general. You happened to be the one that provided the opening for to unleash what's been building for a while now- and to try to make it clear to people where we really are. To wake up the sleeping giant, if you will, and if it can be revived. >> >> But for now, whats the deal with threatening to close the list? I >> havent heard anyone ask for that. No, they haven't asked out loud, but when we've had more posts in the last 3 days from my planned explosion than we had in total from either of the last 2 months, that's a serious problem for something that's supposed to be based on discussion. When there's no discussion or talk going on, then it's dead. And when something is dead, or near it, it either gets revived or buried. If no one cares enough to post, participate, or contribute, then that's a quiet of way of saying they don't care about the list and that it might as well be closed. And frankly, I'm sick of putting in a bunch of work on it, that most of you are completely unaware of, to see absolutely no participation or reaction from. Why put in the effort to work on and build something if people aren't going to use it? And one or two live posts a day isn't using it. It makes me feel like I'm wasting my time. tommytheduck wrote: > Come on George... Mike is one of the good guys. (like Benjamin Linus) > Mike's a friend and he's only teasing. Besides, he will always hold a > special place in my heart, and everyone else's (besides George) who > remembers the whole "VBUADOML" incident. Sorry, I connot let it go. It > makes me laugh even today. Which incident?? You lost me with the acronym. Which one is/was that? I feel so lost. Beth Aslakson wrote: > So things go quiet, then > someone complains that it's quiet, and we have this argument over the > quiet and people start talking for the sake of talking because they've > been driven out of lurkdom and because it feels forced it feels fake > and because it feels fake it doesn't last... rinse, and repeat. But this isn't just quiet Beth. This is way beyond that. And that's the problem. > > So if you want to lurk, lurk. There is nothing wrong or bad about > reading stuff on the internet and never offering any interaction or > contributing to the conversation. That's 99.9% of what most of us do > everywhere all the time. Oh I know most people lurk. Remember, I've got all the numbers. But the problem isn't that most people are lurking. Everyone is! You can't lurk something that doesn't exist, and that's practically where we're at. > Especially Nate, he likes to debate. ;) he's not the only one. That's one of the reasons I love having him around. He helps to keep some of us (like me) in line. :) > > Intro posts are fine, but they need follow up, they need to go > somewhere. True, but they can never go anywhere if 1) no one posts them, and 2) no one even makes an attempt to respond to them. or 3) the ones that do respond do so rather disdainfully. We've had all 3. I love the intros. I also love seeing them bring out interesting things from the other people on the list. But that doesn't happen if people don't at least make an effort to try. > I'd > MUCH rather see someone new reply to this thread with their opinions > or even a counter argument. I very much would like to see that also. Unfortunately when I do get a response from a new person it's usually sent to me off list. And when I try to convince them to post it to the list, even when it's disagreeing with me, I get an "I'd rather not." Often because they don't feel like they have the "experience", aren't "well known" or they don't want to get flamed. It needs to be more than just me inviting others to post and respond. It NEEDS to come from more of you. last point of this post: >> And George, I think you're great, but your teachy way of asking >> leading questions trying to force the discussion along a path it >> doesn't want to take, also seems to kind of kill the discussions and >> real-ness of the conversations. > > or he could be asking questions because, ya know, hes genuinely curious. > i know i dont ask a question to someone on a forum unless i honestly want > an answer. i dont do it to spark a discussion or a debate, though that > would be nice. im actually interested. I'll admit, my method isn't the best. I'm always learning. But yes, I'm trying to force a discussion, much like I do when I'm trying to teach teens. I'm trying to stir interest, arouse attention, and get some response. It's more than what I'm seeing from others out there. And yes, when I ask a question I'm genuinely wanting to know the answers. They're leading, yes, but they're also genuine. If you've got a better method of getting discussion going, I'm most certainly open to it. Please, give me lessons, you or anyone, and help us get moving again. Because if we don't get moving again, then there's not going to be much reason to keep the life support going, now is there? keep on ridin George From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 11:30:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90792 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 18:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 18:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 18:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6U57-0004ls-M7 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:30:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4A12FABE.9010500@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:30:22 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d266f2e7b98400419ee4042022b43edeb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=SD_IEvXWJ_hkF44Ud_oIgI4IGi6iEgtvNtQNJF_EYPvcqRo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > That's fine. But why should those of us who actively participate in > the list have to put up with stuff we find annoying (anniversary > reminders) just because "some people" like them. Meanwhile, those > people aren't participating in discussions, and can't even be bothered > to post that they like receiving the reminders! This is blunt, but > why should I care what those people think? I mean, we can put on a > face and claim that all members are created equal around here, but if > you only want to lurk, you don't get a say in how the list operates > (and that's by *choice*). I'd rather have a list of 25 people who all > actively post than a list of 300 people where only 5-10 people post. > So if you're actively posting, I truly believe your opinion with > regards to how the list operates counts much more than those who only > shoot the moderator a note once in awhile. Some of those people that like them are people that post Nate. They may not be as vocal about it as you and a couple of others, but they do post, and have said that they like them. And if they really bother you, then they are very easy to set a mail filter on to block them out on your end. I'm not going to remove something from everyone because some don't like them when those that don't can take actions to block them. Why punish everyone for the sake of a few? Or, lets do it this way by invoking the old Sandy-Norris clause and agree to disagree on our viewpoints on those. > Yeah, it came up several times. And every time it was either because > (a) the same reminder posted day after day for two weeks, or (b) the > reminder referenced some obscure park or scarcely-related topic nobody > had ever heard of. I've always found it fascinating to hear tidbits about parks that I may not have been aware of before. I know I'm not alone on that. Yes, I've tried to refine the reminders more for ones that people would be interested in, and turned off some of the others. But I like hearing about things outside of my little bubble of the world. I have to remember that not everyone is like me on that. > And I still don't see it. I don't see major attitude here. I don't > see members berating each other, and I certainly don't see people > berating new people. I don't currently see the comments, George, but > I used to. But having read them in the past, I'm inclined that most > of them are along the lines of "not interested anymore" or "don't want > to receive so much mail" vs "people are rude." Admittedly the "Jon War" was the most obvious, but there have been others. It's what has surprised me as much as anything is the number of notes I've received along those lines over the last 6 - 9 months, commenting on people that were rude, cliquish, etc. And they weren't just referring to Jon, but often to those that were debating with him. (and yes, I got called out myself in one of them) > > > Some of those return comments are very revealing- > > especially the ones that have come from long time members that have left > > in the last few months. I think some of you might be surprised by those. > > I'm really hoping you don't take this the wrong way, but why not share > that information with the group then? Or with the guilty > party/parties? If we're losing long-term members, I'd be very happy > to know why (other than vague references to some undefined conduct > around here). I wish I felt at liberty to do so. In most cases they've asked me to keep their comments private, for fear of hurting feelings, friendships, or whatever reason. That's their choice, and without their permission, I just do not feel that it's appropriate to share. But I've shed tears over a couple of them, including one who was around Coaster Talk long before I joined the list in the old World of Coasters days. I have out open invites to them to come back, to post, to comment about what they thought, and to try to help things out on their perspective, but they declined to do so. And I just feel that I would be out of place to do so for them. > > Of all the points I've made, I *really* don't want you to take this > one wrong. But you're the only one who's complaining. I do post when > I have something to say or contribute. But *I'm* not blaming others > for the list not meeting my standards. I will make an effort to post > more often when I see something newsworthy, or when I've been to a > park. But I'm not going to try to stir up discussion or debates that > I've had before (ie posting just for the sake of posting). I hope you > understand that. I absolutely understand that. Believe it or not, I agree with it. But the problem is for months now people have not really been posting at all- anyone. As I said in my reply to Beth's post, that's a death knell for a list whose sole function is to have talk, discussion, debate, etc. We haven't been just a quiet list- we've been a near completely dead list. > > All that said, I think you clipped the best part of my previous post. > I hope you (and others) read it again: > > "Even in the "old days" when we were constantly adding new members, > only 1-2% as best ever posted. That's just the way it is. It's the way > it always has been." > > Has that much really changed? Actually, if you go back to the "old days" our numbers were much closer to the 15-20% posting range, not 1-2%. When we first moved over to Yahoo groups it took us around 3 years to get up to the 200 member range. But if you go back to those original posts over those years you're going to see a lot of different names posting there. A much, much higher percentage than 1-2%. However now, yes, I'd say we're closer to the 2-3% mark, and even those don't post often or consistently in most cases. And with that, I need to get back to work. I've probably said more than enough already. lets get more people besides just us commenting and chiming in as well. I hope. keep on ridin' George From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 19 11:44:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15832 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 18:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 18:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 18:44:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3983 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 18:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 May 2009 18:44:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4A12FE0C.7080809@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:44:28 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A12CD52.6070805@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Report: Buccaneer Battle media day (SFGAm) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=NwjjKAeHMkkaaQOFQxGbf51DGuLiKmTxI1DCBCaM1hxb7Gny X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey Nate, > How does the loading for this ride work? The reason I ask is because > I've seen that capacity quote, and I don't buy it. They'd have to > load and dispatch a boat every 19 seconds in order to hit 1500pph. > The boats are constantly moving through the station, and with 14 boats of 8 riders each, it's a mammoth amount of people. > and I find that disappointing. This is no Deja Vu, and I have little > interest in visiting SFGAm since they ripped that out (I did not go > last year, and I will probably not go this year). But I'm glad to see > they didn't do it half-assed. :) > I know you miss Deja Vu, and that's fine (heck, I miss Shockwave), but this ride is really what the park needs (certainly more than stupid coasters). It's also great to *finally* see an actual family ride since all the Wiggles, Thomas and cartoon crap is only suitable for 4 year olds. This is a ride that really the whole family can have fun with, little kids, teens, parents even grandparents. The industry desperately needs more rides that fill this requirement. I'm actually excited for this. I will rarely ride it since I'm not a big fan of getting wet, but I will likely always swing by to soak some people. Cameron. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 19 12:03:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3707 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.251) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:03:04 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1966623rvb.24 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.85.81 with SMTP id n17mr706701vcl.54.1242759724026; Tue, 19 May 2009 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A12FE0C.7080809@buzzneon.com> References: <4A12CD52.6070805@buzzneon.com> <4A12FE0C.7080809@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:02:03 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Report: Buccaneer Battle media day (SFGAm) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=rvHrfc7txoIv95u0Q-5ZAB80INIzZ_-O8MjownAP0MNARr_LzFSBaPU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The boats are constantly moving through the station, and with 14 boats > of 8 riders each, it's a mammoth amount of people. Interesting. I'm glad to hear the boats are constantly moving, since that should help to keep capacity up. Do you think boats were still leaving every 19 seconds? I suppose with a conveyer system that's more than possible. > I know you miss Deja Vu, and that's fine (heck, I miss Shockwave), I don't. ;-) > this ride is really what the park needs (certainly more than stupid > coasters). Oh, I agree. I think it's a phenomenal choice, and fills a great niche. But it's not something for me, and it's not going to get me to visit. That's not really a complaint, just an observation. I think it's a great fit for the park. It's just too bad they had to remove a great coaster & a second water ride first. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue May 19 12:13:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77155 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 19:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 19:13:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:13:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.33.253.202 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=pU4kfB3-oPhl6dCRX6YZJShEiV3xNt9C5P8o-lVe7rVB3jyBvmVChzboMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > And I still don't see it. I don't see major attitude here. I don't > see members berating each other, and I certainly don't see people > berating new people.=20 which is funny, since in this exact same post you said; "But why should those of us who actively participate in the list have to pu= t up with stuff we find annoying (anniversary reminders) just because "some people" like them.=20 This is blunt, but why should I care what those people think? I mean, we c= an put on a face and claim that all members are created equal around here, = but if you only want to lurk, you don't get a say in how the list operates" if you cant see the attitude in that, then thats too bad. but that is eliti= sm, pure and simple. you are basically saying that stuff YOU find annoying = you shouldnt have to put up with. well, i like the reminders, but youve bee= n here longer. does that negate my opinion because you have seniority? do w= e say "no more reminders" because a select few of regular older posters hav= e been here the longest?=20 > I'm really hoping you don't take this the wrong way, but why not share > that information with the group then? Or with the guilty > party/parties? If we're losing long-term members, I'd be very happy > to know why (other than vague references to some undefined conduct > around here). uhm he shouldnt post what these people email him because; A) they did so in confidence to the board moderator. if there is something = they wanted us to read, they would have posted it here.=20 B)why they left is none of our business. that is between a mod and the pers= on. again, if they want to share they will. how would you feel if you told = a moderator something in confidence and the he/she shared it with the entir= e board?=20 as for why we are losing "long term" members, oh well. no one forces anyone= to come here, or to leave, unless they break the rules. members come and g= o on any board anywhere on the web. i fail to see how new people should hav= e to bend over backwards just to appease a few old timers. you dont like ho= w things are being ran here, there are plenty of other coaster boards out t= here to join.=20 maybe the thing to do is post a poll or something, take a vote on whether f= olks want the email reminders or whatever. might make this disucssion easie= r.=20 From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue May 19 12:14:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83702 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:14:54 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2070761yxb.17 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 12:14:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.30.140 with SMTP id u12mr125461ibc.30.1242760471410; Tue, 19 May 2009 12:14:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A12FE0C.7080809@buzzneon.com> References: <4A12CD52.6070805@buzzneon.com> <4A12FE0C.7080809@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0905191214q1b5d92e3i555372926556fdae@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Report: Buccaneer Battle media day (SFGAm) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=_APzwkyKrHM7vZLCuTTaysr8aqqwIWghj4opFxs9E99KBm4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>How does the loading for this ride work? The reason I ask is because >>I've seen that capacity quote, and I don't buy it. They'd have to >>load and dispatch a boat every 19 seconds in order to hit 1500pph. >The boats are constantly moving through the station, and with 14 boats >of 8 riders each, it's a mammoth amount of people. I watched this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFbK0OLedU and did some very rough calculations. On that particular video I saw two places where boats following one-another hit the same spot every 25 seconds. For capacity this would mean 1,152 pph (3600 seconds per-hour / 25 second dispatch interval = 144 dispatches X 8 guests = 1,152 pph). The only problem I saw was that they were hitting this interval with 0, 2 or 4 people in a boat. The question becomes, will the guests and machine work together in order to get eight people off and eight people on the ride during a July summer Saturday? Either this will work like the Hopkins log rides and flow well with guests or riders will go off and on very slowly, necessitating the belt needing to be regularly stopped. I do not know about this installation, but I do believe that the other Mack installs seemed to have small load decks, which I think means the ops will have to stop the belt if the boat gets too far along without everyone boarding. I will have to wait and see if this thing can really crank that many people. Again, the above calcs. are really making a lot of assumptions, but from my experience media day capacity is always different than a summer's day. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 12:19:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11811 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6Uqb-0003I9-TC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:19:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4A13063F.3030205@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:19:27 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d85468db376acac0f5c65f02ee4568edd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: HELP needed- suggestions for topics/ points and pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=NAsPluvKi05YfaovbS_4SNupE4fEjKeeFFZLBqehFkyJxkg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash So I'm doing a presentation in a couple of days, and I'm going to have some fun with it. I'm doing life lessons we can learn from roller coasters. I've got several brief points- meant in humor, but also to provoke a bit of thought. I'm also doing a powerpoint of pictures with them, so I'm looking for photos to go along with each point. One of the ones that I'm doing is: Make sure you're in line for the right ride! Now what I'm looking for is a picture of people in line, but lined up at a door, wall, or tree, or something like that. It's going along with a story that I've seen cast members at Disney do, where some off duty looking like guests will pretend to form a line at nothing just to see how many other people will end up in line behind them. yes, it really does work! If you know of a humorous picture out there that will help me illustrate it, I'd be very grateful! I'd also love to hear other suggestions for points. It's being delivered at a church, so keep that in mind. And some of them are fairly obvious. E.g. life has it's ups and downs. Thanks much! keep on ridin' George From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue May 19 12:21:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77661 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 19:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 19:21:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:21:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.33.253.202 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=aNs1iE4vU5YzUs2f56Wu_VhihFGRgRhzPCt4kdXFAc-OqWwTBCLUIzeXVg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > It's nice to have a list that doesn't care about the latest news, > > doesn't discuss the latest ride and is just content to exist. We know > > each other, we don't need to discuss stuff. That doesn't mean we're > > broken and need to be fixed or even that we need to shut things down > > and go away. >=20 > And again, I'd have to disagree on every one of those points. I liked=20 > discussing the news- with people that had a friendly and relatively=20 > mature viewpoint on it. I like hearing about the latest rides from=20 > people that can give some neat, unique viewpoints on them. And when=20 > we're not getting any of that- or much of anything else, then yes, I'd=20 > say we're broken and near completely dead. i agree completely with george here. whats the point of a board if no one t= alks about anything?!?! that makes zero sense. a board shouldnt just exist = for the sake of existing. i want news, updates, TRs, etc. otherwise what do= we talk about? oh right. nothing. like now.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 19 12:30:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58152 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f110.google.com) (209.85.221.110) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:30:37 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so9155qyk.5 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 12:29:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.72.194 with SMTP id n2mr782096vcj.36.1242761376839; Tue, 19 May 2009 12:29:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A12FABE.9010500@earthlink.net> References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> <4A12FABE.9010500@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:29:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=7LWEzL9CyfkI8e_oDRD6iPF6rI4K_Uk7c7ag19q6RAiqowrKmyoYHHo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >> But why should those of us who actively participate in >> the list have to put up with stuff we find annoying (anniversary >> reminders) just because "some people" like them. > Some of those people that like them are people that post Nate. But as I said, where were the defenders? When we discussed it, we were fairly evenly split on liking and hating the reminders (if I remember correctly, those who liked them slightly outnumbered those who didn't). If there were more people than that who liked them, then they should have spoken up (rather than messaging you privately). That's all I was getting it. > And if they really bother you, > then they are very easy to set a mail filter on to block them out on > your end. I'm not going to remove something from everyone because some > don't like them when those that don't can take actions to block them. Don't misunderstand me. That argument is over and done with. I'm not asking you to get rid of them (nor is anyone else, as far as I can tell). This discussion started when Brian asked where Alan disappeared to. You replied and said he was probably insulted by the anniversary reminder discussion, and that people gave him a lot of attitude. I was just pointing out that there was also plenty of attitude coming from the other direction also. If someone had nicely pointed out a way to filter them, or had actually considered suggetions about getting rid of the repeating reminders rather than getting defensive whenever a suggestion was made, maybe it wouldn't have gone down like that. As I said, that's over and done with now. But I don't place all of the blame for Alan's departure on those who made suggestions for the anniversary reminders. I don't think it's fair for anyone else too, either. > I've always found it fascinating to hear tidbits about parks that I may > not have been aware of before. I know I'm not alone on that. Sure. But remember Veeja land? It's a tiny park in India, and its two most major attractions are a spinning mouse and a Pinfari Zyklon. Chances are that if you remember it, it's only because some found it hilarious that we were constantly being sent news stories and anniversary reminders about it. I think some small/overseas parks are worth reading about (Gold Reef City or Lotte World, for instance) while others (like Veega Land) are probably not going to generate a lot of interest. Obviously that's always a bit subjective, but I think the difference is fairly clear. > Admittedly the "Jon War" was the most obvious, but there have been > others. It's what has surprised me as much as anything is the number of > notes I've received along those lines over the last 6 - 9 months, > commenting on people that were rude, cliquish, etc. And they weren't > just referring to Jon, but often to those that were debating with him. > (and yes, I got called out myself in one of them) But aside from the Jon War, I still don't see it. Am I blind, or what? It's been my experience on message boards that sometimes people mistake debate for flaming and confuse disagreement with being rude. The two are not at all the same, but some people just don't seem to be able to handle message boards where there's any kind of real discussion (aside from "I agree, it was a great ride!!! :) :) :)" ). I'm not saying that's necessarily what happened here, but it's a possibility. Yes, the war with Jon got out of hand and people were unnecessarily rude all around. But aside from that instance, I don't see that the general attitude has changed around here. > In most cases they've asked me to > keep their comments private, for fear of hurting feelings, friendships, > or whatever reason. I don't know what to say to that then, but hopefully you get why it's difficult when people are shouting "Things need to change!" but nobody knows what. > Actually, if you go back to the "old days" our numbers were much closer > to the 15-20% posting range, not 1-2%. When we first moved over to > Yahoo groups it took us around 3 years to get up to the 200 member > range. But if you go back to those original posts over those years > you're going to see a lot of different names posting there. A much, > much higher percentage than 1-2%. I don't believe we ever had 15-20% of membership posting (aside from maybe the first few months here, and that's because those who were active on WoC moved over here immediately). I don't have any way to calculate the actual numbers, but we were still going strong with I was moderating (circa 2002-2003), and our participation rate was never that high. I will agree that it was higher than what it is now (because *nobody* is poting at this point), but it's always been a very small fraction of overall group membership. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 19 12:37:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20878 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:37:39 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so4209qwj.16 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 12:36:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.96.13 with SMTP id f13mr718135vcn.118.1242761798836; Tue, 19 May 2009 12:36:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:36:38 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=wMAuiZeO6Wr0oW7merWtA7-3dilOZ8dXwathZXGuIRqiEx6wmkY_JmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This is blunt, but why should I care what those people think? I mean, we can > put on a face and claim that all members are created equal around here, but > if you only want to lurk, you don't get a say in how the list operates" > if you cant see the attitude in that, then thats too bad. but that is > elitism, pure and simple. you are basically saying that stuff YOU find > annoying you shouldnt have to put up with. Doug, that's not at all what I said. I don't like the anniversary reminders. That's been made clear. You like them. That's great. I didn't say that you should just "deal" with it, and I have *never* insinuated that my opinion matters more because I've been here longer. What I said what that I don't know why I (or anyone) should care about what those who don't actively participate think about the list (ie the lurkers). Again, anyone is free to lurk. But if you choose not to participate, you choose not to voice your opinion, and you are making the choice to not have your opinion count. That's not elitism at all. It's saying that the way the list operates should not be dictated by those who don't participate in it in the first place. > B)why they left is none of our business. that is between a mod and the > person. again, if they want to share they will. how would you feel if you > told a moderator something in confidence and the he/she shared it with the > entire board? Honestly, I wouldn't be there anymore, so I couldn't really care less. But I get that not everyone is that way. That's fine. But if people are really leaving in droves because of attitudes of a select few people, then maybe it's time for George to have a word with those people. That's all I was getting at. > maybe the thing to do is post a poll or something, take a vote on whether > folks want the email reminders or whatever. I think some folks are missing the point here. The discussion isn't about the email reminders; that debate is closed and dealt with, as far as I'm concerned. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue May 19 12:43:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49178 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:43:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5418 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 May 2009 19:43:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4A130BCB.2010006@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:43:07 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A12CD52.6070805@buzzneon.com> <4A12FE0C.7080809@buzzneon.com> <165816ef0905191214q1b5d92e3i555372926556fdae@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0905191214q1b5d92e3i555372926556fdae@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip Report: Buccaneer Battle media day (SFGAm) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=HJZppAtd3ZvHMUlQCUW6OR9S8vyyohxvsqXmeaupB9H-NrWg X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > and did some very rough calculations. On that particular video I saw two > places where boats following one-another hit the same spot every 25 > seconds. Having not been there that day the video was shot, it's impossible to know if they're running all 14 boats. The platform is surprisingly long, and loading/unloading is extremely quick as there are no seatbelts (well there weren't on media day, I'd be surprised if they were added since). I know it's fun to hate six flags, but the ride really has been designed with capacity in mind :) Certainly the belt will stop from time to time (disabled guests being the main one), but for the most part it looks like it will run very smoothly. Cameron. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue May 19 12:46:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97397 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 19:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 19:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 19:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 19:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2009 19:46:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:46:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.33.253.202 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=17SQ7uIfhFuTs12aFktJ_GdgT6jDRTziRw4V0LGIxpOZ0sm9tzj54EUNaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: I > didn't say that you should just "deal" with it, and I have *never* > insinuated that my opinion matters more because I've been here longer. > What I said what that I don't know why I (or anyone) should care > about what those who don't actively participate think about the list > (ie the lurkers). what you are saying is that just because some people choose to just read he= re, that their opinion shouldnt matter on things like the reminders. if im = not mistaken, lurkers are members here too. there is no rank here other tha= n "moderators" and "members".=20 lets say all lurkers post one post that says "hi". does that make official = members, elligible for having a valid say in how this board operates? how m= any posts do they have to do to be considered a member? and what of the con= tent? can it be one word, or does it have to be an essay?=20 =20 > Again, anyone is free to lurk. But if you choose not to participate, > you choose not to voice your opinion, and you are making the choice to > not have your opinion count. That's not elitism at all. It's saying > that the way the list operates should not be dictated by those who > don't participate in it in the first place. no, it means that EVERYONE that is a member of this board has an equal say.= level of participation should have nothing to do with it. frequency of pos= ting shouldnt earn you some kind of overriding vote.=20 again, i would say a poll vote would be the best way to deal with things.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 19 13:05:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29671 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 20:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 20:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 20:05:50 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so11390ana.42 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:05:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.105.4 with SMTP id d4mr883953anc.39.1242763539332; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:05:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905191305x3f612186o20f7ede8122ed83@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=wNIEELCdI4_lVOLP0w3QhOddI8xleq9b8dLy_nyNGbk9_62idQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Not to bring any more rudeness to the discussion, but isn't proper capitalization, grammar, and even sometimes spelling, still a requirement in our Terms of Service? > > if you cant see the attitude in that, then thats too bad. but that is > elitism, pure and simple. you are basically saying that stuff YOU find > annoying you shouldnt have to put up with. well, i like the reminders, but > youve been here longer. does that negate my opinion because you have > seniority? do we say "no more reminders" because a select few of regular > older posters have been here the longest? > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue May 19 13:07:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36359 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 20:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 20:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f123.google.com) (209.85.221.123) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 20:07:44 -0000 X-Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so41716qyk.26 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:06:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.85.202 with SMTP id p10mr825270vcl.72.1242763601575; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:06:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:06:41 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=t1VwNEql9h8HyTviEMUfuWVC4iqp5Jz60v__m3z2RUdqY-trNCgxT6k X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > what you are saying is that just because some people choose to just read > here, that their opinion shouldnt matter on things like the reminders. if im > not mistaken, lurkers are members here too. there is no rank here other than > "moderators" and "members". I don't agree. If you're not posting, you're not contributing. So this is going to sound a bit blunt, but if you're not contributing to the list, why should I really care what you think of it? > lets say all lurkers post one post that says "hi". does that make official > members, elligible for having a valid say in how this board operates? No, what makes them eligible to have a say is their membership and a willingness to post their opinion about how the list operates. If you don't care enough about the list operation to even be bothered to make a post that says, "I only lurk here, but I really like the anniversary reminders," then that's too bad. You obviously don't care enough about them one way or another. > frequency of > posting shouldnt earn you some kind of overriding vote. I never suggested otherwise. > again, i would say a poll vote would be the best way to deal with things. What happens if certain lurkers don't bother to vote in the poll? Because that's just like not bothering to post your opinion in the first place. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 13:26:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73757 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 20:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 20:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 20:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6Vsr-00060W-G0 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:25:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1315CE.5060404@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:25:50 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d1648afe7587d2efa9c637710332bde30350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=myVmaF-yyN58bp9QnB8uxWFdn89VBmYgk78v-sIIkG3N8iE X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash *sigh* Yes, I know, I started it. it's my fault. But it might also be a good time for those that have already replied to pause before they hit that reply button again. :) Right now the discussion is going around in circles a bit. But I'd still love to hear the opinions of others. And please, someone, anyone, chime in on my other thread asking for help! I need ideas for points, pithy statements, etc. Whatever comes to mind. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue May 19 14:10:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44442 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 21:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 21:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 21:10:28 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so28344yxp.20 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:10:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.16.72 with SMTP id n8mr150482iba.49.1242767423982; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:10:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:10:23 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905191410s1d9e2588se71d6003292ad652@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=xzaJxpv3QCwGfYgIq94Xa8yqF1urSHah6B_txhGCiyOyQQw X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska And also, as Nate said, this conversation is not about the reminders. That was just an offshoot point to illustrate a much larger topic. When the issue was raised over whether or not to keep the reminders, a lot of lurkers came out and said they liked them. That means their opinion counts and is valid. But if they do not have the desency to post their opinions to the list, if they are just sending private emails to george about these things, then why should the list be concerned with those opinions. George does not mention private emails that do not illustrate his points (and why would he). But that makes all his mention of private emails invalid in my opinion. How about this for a solution: George posts the private emails with no mention of who sent them. This way the sender remains annonymus, but the list becomes aware of the problems. I would like to think that members here are mature enough to take constructive critisism (although we have learned that is not the case) and that people would not be childish enough to take comments from a leisure message board too seriously. Here is another suggestion: Add more moderators. George, you have been complaining about the work load, why not invite more people to help with the load? We learned during the reminder explosion that Alan had been made a moderator, and I was upset that this was never mentioned or discussed with the list until around the time he was leaving. And anyway, George, you and Alan seem to tow the same party line...why not have a variety of moderators like the old day when it was Josh, Nate, Chris, and Adam. The variety of moderators allowed for a variety of conversation and opinion, as opposed to the constricted veiwpoint allowed today. George, you are a great moderator and a great list owner. You genuinely care about the health of this list, and your effort shows. However, over the past year, you seem to have taken it too far. You appear to be more concerned that no ones feelings get hurt, and the casualty of this is lively debate and the willingness to post conflicting veiwpoints. A lot of us have been on this list for 10 years or more, and in that time we have learned a lot about coasters, parks, and the hobby. But it should not be up to us to randomly bring up this information without provacation. I, and I assume others on this list, would be happy to share this knowledge; but we have to be asked. That is the responsibility of the new or less experienced members. And this does not mean questions like 'what coaster at x park is better' I would probably not respond to that because its an opinion. If a discussion spawns from the wuestion, then I may thriow my two sense in, but in general those questions dont spawn discussion (due in part, I feel, to the feeling on this list that we are not able to disagree with each other). But if a technical, historical, or fact based question is raised I am more than willing to offer what I know. George this is not an attack on you. As I said before, you do a wonderful job. But at the same time, your compassionate, protective nature does not allow for reasonable dischord. In regards to the attitude point: I have written every post I have added to this discussion in the same fact-based clinical way that I write all my legal documentation. I do this in every potentially volatile conversation to avoid letting my feelings take over. Of course, everything that I post is my opinion and based on my emotions; but I fail to see an attitude aside from disagreement. I do not know how to state this without sounding whildish, but George I really think you may be the one with the attitude. Your posts in this topic have crossed the line into rude and insulting, which you yourself admitted. Nate only became rude when his calm discussion was dismissed as arrogant. Doug, you are right about your points regarding new members vs. old members, but Nate is also right that those who do not post their opinions do not deserve to have those opinions counted. Think of it like our democracy: if you dont vote, you have no right to complain about the political system. You can still complain, but dont expect a politician to change anything if you're not going to vote anyway. Another point: George, how dare you take credit for the orchestrated explosion that I created! (and yes, that is a joke, its not very good, and its probably the only one in this post. There were probably other points I wanted to make, but gmail mobile does not quote text you're replying to...and this is far to long as it is. Mike - this post took an hour and a half to write on my PDA (good thing I'm at work!) From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue May 19 14:22:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33909 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 21:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 21:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.217.179) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 21:22:41 -0000 X-Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so124041gxk.15 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:21:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.35.75 with SMTP id o11mr155724ibd.6.1242768100693; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:21:40 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=BjD_VO5rBbktdhzUtX_nSlObMBBjNZ0-o0EUJTNhVIAqgcrm X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I do agree, I was just in a bitchy mood yesterday when I typed that, George and Doug. Maybe we're just too hyper-focussed. I appreciate coaster and park discussion and news but it's not the OCD factor in my life that it once was when it was all big and shiny and new and cool. Experience begets experience. New rides, yeah, I'll ride them even go out of my way to seek them out, but I don't feel the need to share that as often. News, I can take it or leave it and usually leave it, unless it's really interesting and not the same PR stuff that I've seen every year for the last decade. I've mellowed in my obsessiveness. Enthusiast is probably not the right word to describe me anymore. Because I'm certainly not as enthusiastic as I once was. It's not this new glowy thing that needs to be over analyzed, it's just incorporated itself into part of who I am. I don't have an overwhelming need to find the community of oddballs who understand and can relate and discuss every nuance because we've already found our community of oddballs and discussed all the nuances. It's not just here, discussion on the topic is generally slowing all over the place... RRC has been on life support for a while too. Unless the entire industry turns on it's head or completely collapses in on itself, there's really just not all that much that is going to be big and loud enough to bother discussing. That doesn't mean I don't want to interact with the people here, I'd just rather not feel limited to only discussing coasters with them obsessively. I get far more enjoyment out of reading Brian gush about William riding Avatar, and Josh talking about remodeling his house. Heck, I don't even know how your health has been after all the stuff you've than reading about someone spotting spray paint on the ground or a pile of new lumber out back at a park and speculating about whether it'll be a new fence or the next big thing (unless they are genuinely enthusiastic about it, then it can be fascinating). The next big thing is going to show up whether I'm obsessing over every little detail or I just show up and ride it. The second option is more fun and a lot less work. Besides, I'm knee deep into incorporating my next OCD obsession into something that's just part of who I am so I can move on to the next one.... none of it remotely related to this group. And because I'm sharing that I'd much rather read about life stuff... just a little btw... I'm engaged now. :P From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue May 19 14:27:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52473 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 21:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 21:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f157.google.com) (209.85.217.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 21:27:39 -0000 X-Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1so132839gxk.0 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:26:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.30.140 with SMTP id u12mr160119ibc.30.1242768398797; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:26:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1315CE.5060404@earthlink.net> References: <4A1315CE.5060404@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:26:38 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905191426j26fa1802ua1c9075777c388dc@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=6GrD1BUja4v8MkITkqkVvIxFwAbwgPgjohTAgmjFocNodQE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska George, this is exactly what I was talking about, the stifling of the first active, lively discussion the list has seen in months. I dont feel like it's going around in circles, but really getting to the heart of the topic and the bottom of peoples frustrations. Some people seem to have gotten heated (Doug: calm down a bit. Your a good poster and contribute a lot. No one has been attacking you at all in this topic) but things are no where near destructive or out of control. Yes, this conversation is not about coasters, but it's about the life and behavior of this list, and it has been the most interesting discussion in a long time. Those who are not interested in it, now you know how the rest of us feel about the anniverrsary reminders :) So George, I know this is your list, but I hope you will reconsider your position and allow it to continue. Human behavior shows that new members are a lot more likely to post in a sea of replies, where they can blend in, than they would be if everyone else stops posting and puts an empty spotlight out there expecting them to walk into. Mike -my two hour supervised visit is over in 5 minutes and I havent even opened my book! On 5/19/09, george burnash wrote: > *sigh* > > Yes, I know, I started it. it's my fault. But it might also be a good > time for those that have already replied to pause before they hit that > reply button again. :) Right now the discussion is going around in > circles a bit. > > But I'd still love to hear the opinions of others. And please, someone, > anyone, chime in on my other thread asking for help! I need ideas for > points, pithy statements, etc. Whatever comes to mind. > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue May 19 14:40:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77160 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 21:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 21:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 21:40:48 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so36764ywk.34 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:39:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.141 with SMTP id g13mr151313iba.55.1242769187847; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:39:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:39:47 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Rn_Sw25CRYKjm2Nz0IrwqjzI4Pldq6qF5HXXSJqFeJjRfds X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Beth I agree about a lot of your post.. I love hearing what's going on in people's lives and their interests...and coasters have really faded into the background for me over the past few years, but I still love a good coaster discussion. It takes the place for all the lack of riding I've been doing. An update on me: Ive been engaged for a bit over a year, and the wedding is coming up sept. 6th. We bought a house in early april, but it's a work in progress. I was finally able to move about half my stuff in last weekend, and am a lot more relaxed now. I'm pretty much living there but there is no TV, no computer, and no stove. I have a bunch of early pics up on my facebook, and I invite you all to add me "michael cowan" on there to check it out. Mike On 5/19/09, Beth Aslakson wrote: > I do agree, I was just in a bitchy mood yesterday when I typed that, > George and Doug. > > Maybe we're just too hyper-focussed. I appreciate coaster and park > discussion and news but it's not the OCD factor in my life that it > once was when it was all big and shiny and new and cool. Experience > begets experience. > > New rides, yeah, I'll ride them even go out of my way to seek them > out, but I don't feel the need to share that as often. News, I can > take it or leave it and usually leave it, unless it's really > interesting and not the same PR stuff that I've seen every year for > the last decade. I've mellowed in my obsessiveness. Enthusiast is > probably not the right word to describe me anymore. Because I'm > certainly not as enthusiastic as I once was. It's not this new glowy > thing that needs to be over analyzed, it's just incorporated itself > into part of who I am. I don't have an overwhelming need to find the > community of oddballs who understand and can relate and discuss every > nuance because we've already found our community of oddballs and > discussed all the nuances. > > It's not just here, discussion on the topic is generally slowing all > over the place... RRC has been on life support for a while too. Unless > the entire industry turns on it's head or completely collapses in on > itself, there's really just not all that much that is going to be big > and loud enough to bother discussing. That doesn't mean I don't want > to interact with the people here, I'd just rather not feel limited to > only discussing coasters with them obsessively. > > I get far more enjoyment out of reading Brian gush about William > riding Avatar, and Josh talking about remodeling his house. Heck, I > don't even know how your health has been after all the stuff you've > than reading about someone spotting spray paint on the ground or a > pile of new lumber out back at a park and speculating about whether > it'll be a new fence or the next big thing (unless they are genuinely > enthusiastic about it, then it can be fascinating). The next big thing > is going to show up whether I'm obsessing over every little detail or > I just show up and ride it. The second option is more fun and a lot > less work. > > Besides, I'm knee deep into incorporating my next OCD obsession into > something that's just part of who I am so I can move on to the next > one.... none of it remotely related to this group. > > And because I'm sharing that I'd much rather read about life stuff... > just a little btw... I'm engaged now. :P > From kim221998@yahoo.com Tue May 19 14:43:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kim221998@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57739 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 21:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 21:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.217) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 21:43:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1678 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2009 21:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <665885.98775.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: X62n9UMVM1ngQN.CHXvmK1fZ5I3rTg76Ia3Vd71Z7Fu.9vwOVBvKrqj6oAA2s2FIrNSvXVDM.kDgEV1KzoLaG6TWAmK6YLFcsmYP2lpKTM18dHYQOtAk7r4jy4ztVzHXISkRtxVgkeVJtlHixxfspmKirZO_CU6shT7xR3PNGzwi3GFwHwNdemHwO3PlDz3uv3MT0tkKPufhsOAjZlYMdTxQzoEIcx0fIu0z4ui8mCK.7_cBuL9dl0ZPXgFJN9t_VXxJ.SPjmYj7jrWv5vI9WNRAUJU3f0U882.oa9VG9JEnNa_FsYJk7zkV14mHGvDplgJo3ROLF_pc187TlMYCa5ARlvlIsWRJu0MYGETFypnV X-Received: from [98.183.6.173] by web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:42:56 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kimberly Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121539762; y=VBzTc1bdhByetKYurUs0bT8HIJEXoeWsl-R424eFrcuTre95 X-Yahoo-Profile: kim221998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the suggestion on Wild Adventures, George. We have not been to t= hat one yet so I'll have to check into it. I'm not even real familiar with = it. There are so many parks I want to go to eventually, just not sure how m= uch travelling I'll ever get to do. I have a disabled child that is difficu= lt to travel with, so until she's a bit older, probably won't make it to fa= r. I guess my older kids are gonna be late bloomers on riding coasters...I = can't say much...I was too. But once I got started, there's no stopping me.= .lol Thanks again for the suggestion. check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 ---=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 19 15:42:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6007 invoked from network); 19 May 2009 22:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2009 22:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 22:42:38 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so56688anc.0 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:41:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.174.11 with SMTP id w11mr547254ane.148.1242772897859; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:41:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=7N4FcaJ4xowEkwllyp2jKiofDc7AnYi6E0zpZGzCmQ6JySCSAA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I agree with both Mike and Beth. While I would certainly avoid the word "enthusiast" to describe me anymore, as coasters really took a back seat (all parks took a back seat to Disney, though... can't argue that. There is NO PLACE I would rather spend my time than at a Disney resort/park/something.), I can't argue that I've made a lot of good friends, mostly from this list but from some other places on the net, too. I haven't been in touch with everyone, but I've had phone conversations, flown out to visit for reasons of just hanging out and not doing the rides thing, and even just gone to hang out with several people on this list that I would consider real friends and not just someone from the list. I think part of the reason we seem so "clique oriented" is because a lot of us have been on this list for an extremely long time, to the point of forming real friendships. Nobody's ever made it a point to exclude anyone. Hell, I even talk to our good buddy Jon in an email from time to time - he sends me updates on stuff from his website and we chit-chat, but we never get into it like he was on here. Another board I'm part of, that I've been participating in actively, has a whole topic related to swapping cell phone numbers and there's even some that do addresses and send each other recipes and the like. I think it's awesome, though I haven't gotten a drunk-dial yet so that could change... :). Back in the 90's to early 2000's, there was a lot more to talk about relating to coasters, as there wasn't as many forms of information flying around the net, and it would reach my inbox before I saw it on coasterbuzz or something - now that's not the case. That's all irrelevant, though - as it's most definitely near the bottom of the list as far as importance goes with me. What I hold close from here are the friends I've made, plain and simple. -Josh On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > > > Beth I agree about a lot of your post.. I love hearing what's going > on in people's lives and their interests...and coasters have really > faded into the background for me over the past few years, but I still > love a good coaster discussion. It takes the place for all the lack > of riding I've been doing. > > An update on me: Ive been engaged for a bit over a year, and the > wedding is coming up sept. 6th. We bought a house in early april, but > it's a work in progress. I was finally able to move about half my > stuff in last weekend, and am a lot more relaxed now. I'm pretty much > living there but there is no TV, no computer, and no stove. I have a > bunch of early pics up on my facebook, and I invite you all to add me > "michael cowan" on there to check it out. > > Mike > > On 5/19/09, Beth Aslakson wrote: >> I do agree, I was just in a bitchy mood yesterday when I typed that, >> George and Doug. >> >> Maybe we're just too hyper-focussed. I appreciate coaster and park >> discussion and news but it's not the OCD factor in my life that it >> once was when it was all big and shiny and new and cool. Experience >> begets experience. >> >> New rides, yeah, I'll ride them even go out of my way to seek them >> out, but I don't feel the need to share that as often. News, I can >> take it or leave it and usually leave it, unless it's really >> interesting and not the same PR stuff that I've seen every year for >> the last decade. I've mellowed in my obsessiveness. Enthusiast is >> probably not the right word to describe me anymore. Because I'm >> certainly not as enthusiastic as I once was. It's not this new glowy >> thing that needs to be over analyzed, it's just incorporated itself >> into part of who I am. I don't have an overwhelming need to find the >> community of oddballs who understand and can relate and discuss every >> nuance because we've already found our community of oddballs and >> discussed all the nuances. >> >> It's not just here, discussion on the topic is generally slowing all >> over the place... RRC has been on life support for a while too. Unless >> the entire industry turns on it's head or completely collapses in on >> itself, there's really just not all that much that is going to be big >> and loud enough to bother discussing. That doesn't mean I don't want >> to interact with the people here, I'd just rather not feel limited to >> only discussing coasters with them obsessively. >> >> I get far more enjoyment out of reading Brian gush about William >> riding Avatar, and Josh talking about remodeling his house. Heck, I >> don't even know how your health has been after all the stuff you've >> than reading about someone spotting spray paint on the ground or a >> pile of new lumber out back at a park and speculating about whether >> it'll be a new fence or the next big thing (unless they are genuinely >> enthusiastic about it, then it can be fascinating). The next big thing >> is going to show up whether I'm obsessing over every little detail or >> I just show up and ride it. The second option is more fun and a lot >> less work. >> >> Besides, I'm knee deep into incorporating my next OCD obsession into >> something that's just part of who I am so I can move on to the next >> one.... none of it remotely related to this group. >> >> And because I'm sharing that I'd much rather read about life stuff... >> just a little btw... I'm engaged now. :P >> >=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 19 17:07:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12996 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 00:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 00:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 00:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6ZLB-0006Ra-7H for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 20:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1349B6.2000607@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:07:18 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A1315CE.5060404@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905191426j26fa1802ua1c9075777c388dc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191426j26fa1802ua1c9075777c388dc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d85e2575f2100b75b96986bd30d56ae45350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4K58NuxN_wbrrzU7snnwKxefh50oKH_g0NueS3aBdDS2NA4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > > > > George, this is exactly what I was talking about, the stifling of the > first active, lively discussion the list has seen in months. I dont > feel like it's going around in circles, but really getting to the > heart of the topic and the bottom of peoples frustrations. Some > people seem to have gotten heated (Doug: calm down a bit. Your a good > poster and contribute a lot. No one has been attacking you at all in > this topic) but things are no where near destructive or out of > control. Just to clarify- I was referring to the circular discussion that Nate and Doug were having. I don't want the conversation stifled. They had just reached a point on the one part of the topic where each was repeating himself and not moving forward. That's all. It may be a couple of days before I get to the rest. it's going to be a long couple of days ahead. BTW, Josh- congrats on the house. And Beth- congrats on the engagement. IT'S ABOUT TIME! :) keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue May 19 17:25:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28067 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 00:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 00:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 00:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 00:25:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 00:25:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.185.31 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=QH7w_7Y-Av0Bj23DczKYK4WiPvz0zCu2NUoYwGFsk76p4a8oKoq8 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Obviously, I'm one of those people mentioned throughout this discussion who= rarely, if ever posts. George knows that I post regularly on another forum= . Why don't I post here much? I sometimes feel a little intimidated, much as I hate to say it. I joined t= his list/group for one very simple reason. I love roller coasters and the a= musement parks they call home. I can't teach a course in coaster physics at= the local high school. I haven't rode 800 coasters or rode the same coaste= r tens of thousands of times. I'm not a former or present ride operator. Th= e technical knowledge and counts of the people on this board astound me. I = don't feel like I'm part of a community here. I used to post occasionally, = you may remember. I'm not asking George to remove me from the list...I'll c= ontinue to read, but this discussion illustrates one reason I don't read ev= erything. It's not really providing info I can use..it's a bunch of very kn= owledgeable, smart people, some of whom know one another personally, taking= shots at one another. I appreciate what George does, the work he puts in, = and the comments he's made in this thread make sense. Mike From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Tue May 19 17:36:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64552 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 00:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 00:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 00:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 00:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 00:35:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 00:35:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.185.31 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: My Trip Plans For June X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=zkK6DMVizYNStpwCd72vVJRNxjnNgMApRNccE3SuP932Tep_YS70 X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 I'm leaving on June 19th for a trip through the parks of Pennsylvania. I'm = gonna let you guys know my itinerary. If you can provide me any suggestions= , recommendations, and tips, I'd appreciate that. June 20 and 21 ...Waldameer..1st visit June 22..Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Cleveland June 23-24..Kennywood June 25..Idlewild..first visit...on to Altoona June 26..Lakemont, Delgrosso's..first visits to both..and a night game with= the Altoona curve June 27 and 28 are open, but will hopefully involve getting together with a= friend and hitting Knoebels and/or Dorney First four nights I'm staying with my brother in Sharon, PA. I have a Motel= 6 reserved near Kennywood and in Altoona. A friend got me some deep discou= nted tickets to Kennywood. Mike From lance@screamscape.com Tue May 19 18:03:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2410 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 01:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 01:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 01:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M6aCE-0001ix-En for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 May 2009 18:02:14 -0700 Message-ID: <6785851954294536A1324D8915AA4BFC@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:02:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=IThx86ApKJ9p0HHirIfJ2elIQCAMvL0djFy8xfjuD4wgG6MI-f_OyJ6h9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance It's true the list has become very quiet for some reason. I admit I havn't had time to post much lately. Life has just stepped up to fill most of my free time and I do all my writing now on Screamscape. No real time for much else. i think we're missing the little things that were the good conversation starters like the news posts and trip reports. Instead all we've got left are the things people complain about like the reminders and the more frustrating topics of conversation that usually involve opinions on motorcycles, iphones and accel-a-nomitor results plus the odd bit of spam that gets a laugh. We need more news and trip reports i think, minus the mumbo-jumbo and ill opinions about why everything sucks these days... though it doesnt help that the biz is in a funk and these seems to be little or no innovation anymore. Personally i'm frustrated that the parks going some of the most creative things and all outside the country with a lot going on in europe right now. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue May 19 19:39:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20785 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 02:39:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 02:39:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f177.google.com) (209.85.217.177) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 02:39:39 -0000 X-Received: by gxk25 with SMTP id 25so353253gxk.12 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 19:38:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.93.8 with SMTP id q8mr599085agb.99.1242787133116; Tue, 19 May 2009 19:38:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6785851954294536A1324D8915AA4BFC@ScreamscapeHP> References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> <6785851954294536A1324D8915AA4BFC@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 22:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905191938h7200fbcam76519987b308412d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Yhrv_cnU6VfV3Wjbrw6BR1hshCie7PkSq5GPH9m_oriGecn4nw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Personally, I'm super excited to see things like Buccaneer Battle pop up around here. Though, I'd much prefer if it was at a water park, seeing as that's the only time I really like to get wet. Interesting thing is, I've become more interested in things like water parks, and rock climbing - things that aren't necessarily passive-fun activities. My favorite park in existence is epcot at WDW - there's not a whole lot of rides there, and what is there, is educational. There's Innoventions, which is hands-on, and World Showcase, which I could spend my whole life in. Epcot doesn't have a single roller coaster, and I couldn't care less. We went to King's Island a couple of weekends ago, and while getting on Diamondback and the Beast were the biggest thing on the agenda, I enjoyed taking Jen up in the tower, and getting out the SLR for pictures. Overall, just being on international street and strolling around, maybe doing a bit of shopping. We did the Backyard BBQ meal deal, which turned out to be really good for chicken/burgers/dogs/beans - I was totally not expecting that. If they had a nice sit-down restaurant, I probably would have booked a dinner there. If we had stayed the night down that way, I probably would have gone back to the room for a mid-day lounge in the pool or whatever. I'm done with the ol' coastercoastercoastercoastercoaster thing. I mean, sure, I'll probably get together with some coaster buddies and spend a day doing that again, every now and then, but for the most part I'm a tourist. I don't go on "trips" - I take a vacation. Life's got too much going on to worry about a scheduled ride itinerary or a marathon on whatever ride. If I like something, I'll go on it again. If the line's short, I'll ride it a couple of times, but it's certainly not an every day thing for me. Josh On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Lance wrote: > > > It's true the list has become very quiet for some reason. I admit I havn'= t > had time to post much lately. Life has just stepped up to fill most of my > free time and I do all my writing now on Screamscape. No real time for mu= ch > else. > > i think we're missing the little things that were the good conversation > starters like the news posts and trip reports. Instead all we've got left > are the things people complain about like the reminders and the more > frustrating topics of conversation that usually involve opinions on > motorcycles, iphones and accel-a-nomitor results plus the odd bit of spam > that gets a laugh. > > We need more news and trip reports i think, minus the mumbo-jumbo and ill > opinions about why everything sucks these days... > > though it doesnt help that the biz is in a funk and these seems to be lit= tle > or no innovation anymore. Personally i'm frustrated that the parks going > some of the most creative things and all outside the country with a lot > going on in europe right now. > >=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue May 19 22:51:41 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10476 invoked by uid 7800); 20 May 2009 05:51:38 -0000 Date: 20 May 2009 05:51:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1242798698.8.10471.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=aQsWkSOUMUsZeEN1242798664-1" --YCalReminder=aQsWkSOUMUsZeEN1242798664-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Jazzland opened Wednesday May 20, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=aQsWkSOUMUsZeEN1242798664-1-- From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed May 20 06:39:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49518 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 13:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 13:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f157.google.com) (209.85.217.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 13:39:16 -0000 X-Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1so835322gxk.0 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:38:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.15.6 with SMTP id i6mr334592iba.12.1242826733191; Wed, 20 May 2009 06:38:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905191938h7200fbcam76519987b308412d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> <6785851954294536A1324D8915AA4BFC@ScreamscapeHP> <76e1ec0a0905191938h7200fbcam76519987b308412d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:38:52 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Gn013efXwAXneTp67gD0NAqNpysDaaJ7sRlX_OyPUtPGec8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I gotta say I agree with you Josh (except the epcot thing, when I was 13 that place sucked). Last year I think I made it to 4 parks, sfne, lake compounce, sfgradv, and the new hampshire one with the yankee cannonball. and I think I wrote TRs for 3 of the 4 trips. My sfgradv trip was terrible. Long lines, big crowds, expensive everything...it wasnt fun. The other three were great. Even with a decent crown LC is one of the most enjoyable places around. There is no rush, you can just sit and enjoy the surroundings. This has become one of the most important aspects of the amusement park. Even with a 5 or 10 minute line, I only rode Boulder dash three times in the full day. To address Bill's comments on boulderdash, the entire back half of the ride was retracked, and amazingly at that. I read somewhere that the front half was supposed to get the same treatment over the winter, but I havent kept up enough to know whether that happened. Two spots were definately reprofiled, the major one being the old trick track. I consider the new part to be a tripple up, although double up and speed bump at he top is more accurate. To me it gave the most pronounced front seat air on the whole ride, and turned what has always been an excellent coaster into an amazing coaster. This also may be the best pop of air GCI has made to date :). The other spot that was changed was a small air producing high speed dip on the return run, which happens just after a sharp left unbanked 60 degree bend. The following drop has always bottomed out jarringly hard, and it had nothing to do with the trains. This whole area was smoothed out while still maintining the side to side toss, and took away what has always been my biggest complaint about the ride. And finally, I wanted to appologize publicly to George. My last post, although I maintain that it was attitude-free, was needlessly rude. I feel like my main points are worthy of discussion (which doesnt mean thry were necessarily valid), but the way I presented them was wrong, and I am sorry for that. I have been under too much stress lately and needed someone to lash out against, and Im thankful to have somewhere away from home to do that, but it was not right of me. I hope you will accept my appology, and that our relationship as friends does not suffer due to what I said. Thanks, and sorry for being a jerk lately -mike (the vbuadoml inciddent brian was talking about was my drunk post from freshman year in college back in late 02 early 03...you have to remember that one!) On 5/19/09, Josh W wrote: > Personally, I'm super excited to see things like Buccaneer Battle pop > up around here. Though, I'd much prefer if it was at a water park, > seeing as that's the only time I really like to get wet. Interesting > thing is, I've become more interested in things like water parks, and > rock climbing - things that aren't necessarily passive-fun activities. > > My favorite park in existence is epcot at WDW - there's not a whole > lot of rides there, and what is there, is educational. There's > Innoventions, which is hands-on, and World Showcase, which I could > spend my whole life in. Epcot doesn't have a single roller coaster, > and I couldn't care less. We went to King's Island a couple of > weekends ago, and while getting on Diamondback and the Beast were the > biggest thing on the agenda, I enjoyed taking Jen up in the tower, and > getting out the SLR for pictures. Overall, just being on international > street and strolling around, maybe doing a bit of shopping. We did the > Backyard BBQ meal deal, which turned out to be really good for > chicken/burgers/dogs/beans - I was totally not expecting that. If they > had a nice sit-down restaurant, I probably would have booked a dinner > there. If we had stayed the night down that way, I probably would > have gone back to the room for a mid-day lounge in the pool or > whatever. > > I'm done with the ol' coastercoastercoastercoastercoaster thing. I > mean, sure, I'll probably get together with some coaster buddies and > spend a day doing that again, every now and then, but for the most > part I'm a tourist. I don't go on "trips" - I take a vacation. Life's > got too much going on to worry about a scheduled ride itinerary or a > marathon on whatever ride. If I like something, I'll go on it again. > If the line's short, I'll ride it a couple of times, but it's > certainly not an every day thing for me. > > Josh > > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Lance wrote: >> >> >> It's true the list has become very quiet for some reason. I admit I havn't >> had time to post much lately. Life has just stepped up to fill most of my >> free time and I do all my writing now on Screamscape. No real time for >> much >> else. >> >> i think we're missing the little things that were the good conversation >> starters like the news posts and trip reports. Instead all we've got left >> are the things people complain about like the reminders and the more >> frustrating topics of conversation that usually involve opinions on >> motorcycles, iphones and accel-a-nomitor results plus the odd bit of spam >> that gets a laugh. >> >> We need more news and trip reports i think, minus the mumbo-jumbo and ill >> opinions about why everything sucks these days... >> >> though it doesnt help that the biz is in a funk and these seems to be >> little >> or no innovation anymore. Personally i'm frustrated that the parks going >> some of the most creative things and all outside the country with a lot >> going on in europe right now. >> >> > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 07:30:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29587 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 14:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 14:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 14:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:29:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:29:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191410s1d9e2588se71d6003292ad652@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=a7LUY3kWQErTS0qKzKGgQoaJzhcvpKsxqRgOf75o_mpUpAy_2o8NVU-FiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > Doug, you are right about your points regarding new members vs. old > members, but Nate is also right that those who do not post their > opinions do not deserve to have those opinions counted. Think of it > like our democracy: if you dont vote, you have no right to complain > about the political system. You can still complain, but dont expect > a politician to change anything if you're not going to vote anyway. but the thing is that the lurkers DID vote, right? and with their votes the= reminders were kept. therefore the system worked. nowhere in a democracy d= oes it say that with a vote you have to participate in the political discou= rse. you can vote, and that can be it. and by the same token, it doesnt mea= n that the most vocal have more say than the quiet ones. i know no one has = actually said that, but there seems to be a lot of alluding to that.=20 the way i see it is that this group has, what, 300 or so members? to me, th= ey are all equal citizens of this board whether they choose to participate = actively in discussion or not. and when things come up for a vote, everyone= has an equal say. no one is required to vote, but they all have that optio= n. those votes are counted, majority wins. just like in a democracy.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 20 07:35:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81735 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 14:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 14:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f123.google.com) (209.85.221.123) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 14:35:01 -0000 X-Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so688216qyk.15 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 07:34:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.73.209 with SMTP id r17mr1598465vcj.46.1242830099125; Wed, 20 May 2009 07:34:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905191410s1d9e2588se71d6003292ad652@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:34:59 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=V1OkshZDXrdNvd1w_jB2ox95Jc8tVIoX3ouUryMVVFTRlOJ6QHKsdec X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > nowhere in a democracy > does it say that with a vote you have to participate in the political > discourse. you can vote, and that can be it. and by the same token, it > doesnt mean that the most vocal have more say than the quiet ones I don't think anyone ever suggested otherwise. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 07:40:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56672 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 14:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 14:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 14:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:40:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:40:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Yg8NYnitURH_v5FHzU68DWzNUyc_U35KHFH5EmgxHxpRU3XcsXhjc-yycg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wro= te: > New rides, yeah, I'll ride them even go out of my way to seek them > out, but I don't feel the need to share that as often. News, I can > take it or leave it and usually leave it, unless it's really > interesting and not the same PR stuff that I've seen every year for > the last decade. I've mellowed in my obsessiveness. Enthusiast is > probably not the right word to describe me anymore. Because I'm > certainly not as enthusiastic as I once was.=20 but as george has said, think of all the new people we are aquiring to the = group. they might love to hear about your experiences. not saying you have = to retell TRs or anything, but you might consider yourself more of a mentor= or something instead of just an enthusiast. i still can geek out when talk= ing to kids about rollercoasters, and if that gets them into the hobby to h= ear me prattle on, then great.=20 i know what you are saying. i think a lot of "vets" of this board are in th= e same boat with you. theyve been doing this for years and are probably kin= da jaded, they are older and have other things to think about than coasters= . i know i do. then you factor in the economy and everything else going on = the world, and yeah sometimes its hard to get super excited about talking a= bout coasters. just realize that some of the newer folks here, even the lur= kers, might be jazzed to hear about it from you.=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed May 20 07:42:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73469 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 14:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 14:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 14:42:03 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so370624ana.36 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 07:41:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.35.65 with SMTP id o1mr322511ibd.7.1242830500267; Wed, 20 May 2009 07:41:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905191410s1d9e2588se71d6003292ad652@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:41:40 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905200741m2e141ec5vbb320047b9472af0@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=mUQ7TnnacDnxJ4zr6fizplVodRikByPCBcHGhZhrTdSxSdY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska That is the point I was making. Those that vote deserve to be counted, but a private email to George does not count as a vote. If you are not willing to tell the list what you think (and I dont mean explaining your opinion or justifying it, just merely stating it) then I do not see why the list should be affected by that opinion. On 5/20/09, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > wrote: >> Doug, you are right about your points regarding new members vs. old >> members, but Nate is also right that those who do not post their >> opinions do not deserve to have those opinions counted. Think of it >> like our democracy: if you dont vote, you have no right to complain >> about the political system. You can still complain, but dont expect >> a politician to change anything if you're not going to vote anyway. > > but the thing is that the lurkers DID vote, right? and with their votes the > reminders were kept. therefore the system worked. nowhere in a democracy > does it say that with a vote you have to participate in the political > discourse. you can vote, and that can be it. and by the same token, it > doesnt mean that the most vocal have more say than the quiet ones. i know no > one has actually said that, but there seems to be a lot of alluding to that. > > the way i see it is that this group has, what, 300 or so members? to me, > they are all equal citizens of this board whether they choose to participate > actively in discussion or not. and when things come up for a vote, everyone > has an equal say. no one is required to vote, but they all have that option. > those votes are counted, majority wins. just like in a democracy. > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 07:56:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97613 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 14:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 14:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 14:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:55:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:55:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191426j26fa1802ua1c9075777c388dc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=c0E_xuJK6Fjh6ULFrdwz7Nnu0FU6pCxuNLjvNm5MDEQklp7lk35QxAPYvg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: Doug: calm down a bit. Your a good > poster and contribute a lot. No one has been attacking you at all in > this topic i realize that. i just see some older posters coming out of nowhere to verb= ally admonish the lurkers all of the sudden, and im not understanding the v= itrol. i know that if i joined a new online group and the first discussion = i started reading was about how lurkers shouldnt have a say unless they act= ively participate and contribute, id probably cancel my membership and leav= e too.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 07:58:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3307 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 14:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 14:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 14:58:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:58:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:58:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=9HeyPM0eHlxAE7z3__YUbJdNhIDctti608Lr4GRPuE1ygcO1AP-wtGHpCw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: I have a > bunch of early pics up on my facebook, and I invite you all to add me > "michael cowan" on there to check it out. but wait, which michael cowan are you? there about 4 or 5 on there.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:02:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74003 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:01:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:01:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <665885.98775.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=qeNTn6zUXXE7RhmsqWIL5zvkBZIC9WyoewziGpeLjPmsLeGp-D--CVggkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Kimberly wrote: > check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! > www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 hey Kim (and others), dont suppose you gota facebook page by any chance, do ya? I hardly go to my= space anymore. if not, no biggie. just wondering.=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 20 08:06:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85819 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:06:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8837 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:05:22 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 May 2009 15:05:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A141C2D.9000908@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:05:17 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Kiddieland (Chicago) closing after 80 years.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=5p31WeRDuR3__sqL8BDzRcjzpVmkrLRU-29JvAtv5wQziGP4 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon The new Starbucks and Walmart will be a welcome replacement, I'm sure .. http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/kiddieland.amusement.closing.2.1013956.html Cameron. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:13:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23289 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:12:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:12:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:12:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ntuEowPOejJTDhPcP6_WENQOt_CKY3fj75k6fiKzWJH73jhgbxz1jEXcEg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher" wrote: > I sometimes feel a little intimidated, much as I hate to say it. I joined= this list/group for one very simple reason. I love roller coasters and the= amusement parks they call home. I can't teach a course in coaster physics = at the local high school. I haven't rode 800 coasters or rode the same coas= ter tens of thousands of times. I'm not a former or present ride operator. = The technical knowledge and counts of the people on this board astound me. = I don't feel like I'm part of a community here. I used to post occasionally= , you may remember. I'm not asking George to remove me from the list...I'll= continue to read, but this discussion illustrates one reason I don't read = everything. It's not really providing info I can use..it's a bunch of very = knowledgeable, smart people, some of whom know one another personally, taki= ng shots at one another.=20 so what would make you contribute then? regardless of your level of experie= nce, id still be interested in hearing about any trips you have at a park. = i dont mind if you dont know who built this ride or the specs for that coas= ter. what did you like? what didnt you like? why? what are your favorite pa= rks and rides? do you go by yourself or with friends and family? do you hav= e a park nearby? and no, im not trying to force conversation, im honestly i= nterested. id love to see posters of all experience levels post here, not j= ust the veteran pros.=20 and dont worry about the old coots here calling you out. i got yr back! ;) From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:21:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31870 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:21:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:21:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=XLUQyNmvT5Jpq6JJuoTIVKvcIiPfMuV-L8IAq4TUl_iRtVabtz63BWUTOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > I gotta say I agree with you Josh (except the epcot thing, when I was > 13 that place sucked). same here. i went the year it opened, i think i was 11 or so, and i hated i= t. obviously id probably appreciate it more now but im in no rush to go.=20 =20 > Last year I think I made it to 4 parks, sfne, lake compounce, sfgradv, > and the new hampshire one with the yankee cannonball.=20 lol hey thats 2 more than me! i only got to BGT and Cyrepss Gardens.=20 =20 > My sfgradv trip was terrible. Long lines, big crowds, expensive > everything...it wasnt fun.=20 this got me thinking. does ANYONE have an enjoyable time at a SF park anymo= re? at most parks the pros tend to outweigh the cons that people have durin= g their visit. this never seems to be the case at any of the parks in the S= F chain. i know the ones ive been to i tended to have a more negative overa= ll experience than a positive one. of course there are ones i havent been t= o, especially the heavyweight ones (SFMM SFGAdv etc) so maybe i just havent= been to the good ones.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:24:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77262 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f160.google.com) (209.85.217.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:24:32 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so955695gxk.21 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:23:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.89.8 with SMTP id m8mr1181051agb.23.1242833012533; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:23:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905191426j26fa1802ua1c9075777c388dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:23:32 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905200823k3e5cb50bucf4366888cc2cbde@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=Vob62UMnDcyDqyjeJvYJXvTQdnXG5NK02KjN6Q6rz6Uj_EQjhw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Where? I have not once seen anyone, "older" posters or not, come out and admonish the lurkers. It had been said that since some people didn't speak their mind about certain issues, they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining, but I don't necessarily see that as a means to discourage lurkers, so much as encouraging them to voice their opinions on future issues. Let me present it this way: If you're with a group of people, and someone asks if everyone is OK with pizza for lunch, and you don't say anything either way, then when the pizza arrives, you decide that you were in the mood for a burger, you're pretty much on your own. You should have said something when the question came up. That doesn't mean your opinion/particular food interest is wrong, but you waited too long and it's irrelevant. I don't exactly "get" what your problem is with the old-school portion of this list, but I can tell you my thoughts at this point - George posted his thoughts in the regular folks' attitudes, and you suddenly go on a tirade about how everyone is so mean, etc.. I don't know how that got you so riled up, as I always considered you a staple of the list, as well. I guess you see it differently, but I still don't see his comments as an excuse for your to make that an issue in every single message you send. Josh On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Doug Nelson wrote= : > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > wrote: > Doug: calm down a bit. Your a good >> poster and contribute a lot. No one has been attacking you at all in >> this topic > > i realize that. i just see some older posters coming out of nowhere to > verbally admonish the lurkers all of the sudden, and im not understanding > the vitrol. i know that if i joined a new online group and the first > discussion i started reading was about how lurkers shouldnt have a say > unless they actively participate and contribute, id probably cancel my > membership and leave too. > >=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:27:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90002 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:27:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:27:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:27:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A141C2D.9000908@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Kiddieland (Chicago) closing after 80 years.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=UFfk6wzMn3Av-lGMFsIUZl_uzK-wnyi917yKRg47SG6KWMo7OoeZE8NoIw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > > The new Starbucks and Walmart will be a welcome replacement, I'm sure .. >=20 > http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/kiddieland.amusement.closing.2.1013956.= html >=20 > Cameron. > sorta off topic, mainly cause im writing this from a Starbucks; at this point, Starbucks just needs to buy the Sixflags chain and retool th= e entire thing. God knows they have the money to do it. Theme everything to= coffee and tea. train baristas to run coasters. god knows they would be fa= ster at it than some of the ride ops ive seen at SF parks.=20 or maybe Apple could buy them out. retheme everything to Ipods and Macs. th= ey already have mascots with the Dodgeball guy and the fat PC fella.=20 (this is what happens when i drink too much coffee....) From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:30:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49701 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:30:17 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so257543ywj.57 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:29:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.96.9 with SMTP id t9mr2760377anb.106.1242833357311; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:29:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:29:17 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905200829t6c8053cbk4c793d70452f541a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=zihQaIDdywqiVeJW_CSwsgOjI7DFDHlhtdGadeauy-FsW4C0RQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny It depends on how you feel about educational stuff. If you're going just for thrills, you won't find much at epcot. I'm big into the countries in World Showcase, especially the restaurants. I'm a huge gourmet food junkie, to the point of posting reviews on zagat.com and even doing a bit of gourmet cooking myself. If I didn't have to start all over from scratch, I'd probably consider leaving IT to become a chef. Maybe I'll do a report from my last vacation down there at the end of March. George, I took your advice and we at in Mexico at the San Angel Inn - WOW, their food is incredible. I was expecting standard Tex-Mex type fare, but what I got was pan seared mahi-mahi with olives and fresh tomato puree over a bed of nicely seasoned rice. The dessert? The white chocolate mousse in the filo dough shell with the fresh fruit and homemade Mexican creme caramel. Yeah, that was goooood. Josh > > same here. i went the year it opened, i think i was 11 or so, and i hated > it. obviously id probably appreciate it more now but im in no rush to go. > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:31:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36690 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:31:56 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so274894yxh.14 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:30:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.163.15 with SMTP id l15mr2920019ane.22.1242833456109; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:30:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <665885.98775.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:30:56 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905200830g5dc6cfb7xb75cddc4c03313d6@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=9UTtncwz9Ulskl-J4YMKp1aKupSfSKuZW4dPciHMvtmefIZOng X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I don't know if this works this way or not: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=3Dhome#/profile.php?id=3D779594208&ref= =3Dprofile On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Doug Nelson wrote= : > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Kimberly wrote: > >> check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! >> www.myspace.com/kim221998 > > hey Kim (and others), > > dont suppose you gota facebook page by any chance, do ya? I hardly go to > myspace anymore. if not, no biggie. just wondering. > >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:34:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33370 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:34:53 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so592124qwd.55 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:34:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.92.204 with SMTP id s12mr1724115vcm.30.1242833690772; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:34:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A141C2D.9000908@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:34:50 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Kiddieland (Chicago) closing after 80 years.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=v3ylnl7eI3CfdnUvxISmmFZzBrZ0cOOshK6ckWeJiaOb1DJBLufLS-g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > at this point, Starbucks just needs to buy the Sixflags chain and retool the > entire thing. God knows they have the money to do it. Starbucks isn't in the best shape either: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/02/starbucks.closing.irpt/index.html This is from last summer, but the point that the chain has closed 600+ stores in the past year still stands. There was also a massive retraining program that went on several months back due to complaints in customer service having taken a severe downturn. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:36:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32697 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:36:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:36:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:36:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:36:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:36:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905200823k3e5cb50bucf4366888cc2cbde@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=oOV7N-YNiEp-Naxx_ywf6iV1Sl_IUfgZpcD3MdQJ3OONILRDs0jcQu8XjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > I don't exactly "get" what your problem is with the old-school portion > of this list, but I can tell you my thoughts at this point - George > posted his thoughts in the regular folks' attitudes, and you suddenly > go on a tirade about how everyone is so mean, etc.. I don't know how > that got you so riled up, as I always considered you a staple of the > list, as well. I guess you see it differently, but I still don't see > his comments as an excuse for your to make that an issue in every > single message you send. George has already stated numerous times that he has gotten private emails = from lurkers about how they dont want to contribute due to some of the atti= tude around here. then people start talking about how they dont care what l= urkers think, and that sounds pretty elitist to me. if some of you dont see= it as such, then oh well. i just see it as animosity towards the lurkers a= nd new folks which i never realized existed here till now.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:39:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21802 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:38:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:38:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905200830g5dc6cfb7xb75cddc4c03313d6@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=sND61B5Go5b39YYH76T9-wJeVvpZYZ9Z34hYTBwAHYolgpq55PhvR_Se3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > > I don't know if this works this way or not: >=20 > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=3Dhome#/profile.php?id=3D779594208&r= ef=3Dprofile >=20 yep it did. just sent you a request.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:42:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91611 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:42:58 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so270299ywj.75 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.66.10 with SMTP id o10mr1189695aga.35.1242834118109; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0905200823k3e5cb50bucf4366888cc2cbde@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:41:58 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905200841g4f59908jdb0865472c11114c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=1CKJFgt35U7H-JgS-griGbN0WFJzG_M50ZNXzdBrfMbQvCGr6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I understand that they emailed George, but why does it wait to come out until now? There hasn't been any posting lately, so there couldn't have been any recent attitude. Not to mention, George could have sent a private email to anyone off-list to let them know what was going on, rather than letting it boil over and publicly come out the way it did. (not calling you out, George - I'm just countering with an example). Just my .02.. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Doug Nelson wrote= : > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: >> I don't exactly "get" what your problem is with the old-school portion >> of this list, but I can tell you my thoughts at this point - George >> posted his thoughts in the regular folks' attitudes, and you suddenly >> go on a tirade about how everyone is so mean, etc.. I don't know how >> that got you so riled up, as I always considered you a staple of the >> list, as well. I guess you see it differently, but I still don't see >> his comments as an excuse for your to make that an issue in every >> single message you send. > > George has already stated numerous times that he has gotten private email= s > from lurkers about how they dont want to contribute due to some of the > attitude around here. then people start talking about how they dont care > what lurkers think, and that sounds pretty elitist to me. if some of you > dont see it as such, then oh well. i just see it as animosity towards the > lurkers and new folks which i never realized existed here till now. > >=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:44:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84653 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 15:44:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:44:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Kiddieland (Chicago) closing after 80 years.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=FgxBvyPO-TU-os_8X8yN87oP0KffiiDCmutTFgmu1PFNZwWLN0XFsgLs1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > at this point, Starbucks just needs to buy the Sixflags chain and retoo= l the > > entire thing. God knows they have the money to do it. >=20 > Starbucks isn't in the best shape either: > http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/02/starbucks.closing.irpt/index.html >=20 > This is from last summer, but the point that the chain has closed 600+ > stores in the past year still stands. There was also a massive > retraining program that went on several months back due to complaints > in customer service having taken a severe downturn. oh thats right. i had forgotten about the store closings across the country= . personally i think they tried to be too big, so closing some stores makes= sense. now if they would just lower their freakin prices some, though i kn= ow they did by a few cents last year too. and seriously, those breakfast fo= od items like the egg wrap? NASTY!=20 still, dare to dream-a water flume that plunges down into iced coffee! coas= ter trains shaped like coffee beans! a coffee vendor in every queue! ok, th= at last one might not be a good idea, but still. gotta be better than stand= ard SF operations.=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 20 08:47:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17481 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 15:46:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 15:46:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.217.179) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 15:46:56 -0000 X-Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so1073454gxk.15 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:45:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.12.1 with SMTP id 1mr2810024anl.107.1242834356496; Wed, 20 May 2009 08:45:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0905200830g5dc6cfb7xb75cddc4c03313d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:45:56 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905200845k210429d8sf64c0afc2022f038@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=FZCwuAPSsPmdzfObI8x_nRXrdNoGgPBFYWDPECUWyL4ECmieDg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Got it. I think Facebook is another contributing factor in the down-slide of the list and even forums on the net. When you can update your status and give your opinion on something instantly (especially if you have a PDA/SmartPhone with web browsing), what's the point in going back over it to write it up again? I mean, when I rode Diamondback, I set my status to "DBack is fun - wheee!", answered a couple of questions about it, then updated to something else and moved on. I guess sending that same message to the list wouldn't make as much sense. :) On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Doug Nelson wrote= : > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: >> >> I don't know if this works this way or not: >> >> >> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=3Dhome#/profile.php?id=3D779594208&= ref=3Dprofile >> > yep it did. just sent you a request. > >=20 From kim221998@yahoo.com Wed May 20 09:04:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kim221998@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17979 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 16:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 16:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.205) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 16:04:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21264 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2009 16:03:04 -0000 Message-ID: <968914.18642.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZtpwKX0VM1miEbMMy4E1UxJjk.Top3z8.wLzAqCk26P4EVSpCJmp5g.vASgvk2gDcfJDeOg7sBl_Urn4osaXeGp_wg5Kt7h4sUfV2L5nfsHNSV4csV5_ykTPYKZGwZzMf71qAP9dVT.kyK9bqNPFmkbzC7eqBmhJvFS940Kvu3CffyjqZQWonY6pOEnGDQ3glpTRpLlbpXqA1J27N6AWdpN7Bg0k6IjTUrLQhdIxCSZkFxX18NFUWuNaKhTFUNLgKN7ta9.bVxY_mc.k4P2TKYz6ZVGQ_wiOaSssSeVsquOFhJKtFbeEvRggggokCvRUrjjlvdMHhH5vSMTKs3ddQKfvrF0TP6Tv X-Received: from [98.183.6.173] by web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:03:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:03:03 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kimberly Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121539762; y=kkPIAV9StgMcw7RdiP9EJ53XGHo5Ke1D-UEobqeC-pYpv-T2 X-Yahoo-Profile: kim221998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I have facebook as well. Don't use it much, but I do have one. Haven't= done much with it..no pics or anything.....included the link below. Thanks= for asking. Kim check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 www.facebook.com/kim221998 =A0 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Doug Nelson wrote: From: Doug Nelson Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of dis= cussing?/New Member To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:01 AM --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Kimberly wrote: > check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! > www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 hey Kim (and others), dont suppose you gota facebook page by any chance, do ya? I hardly go to my= space anymore. if not, no biggie. just wondering.=20 ------------------------------------ Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that!=A0 Spread the word ab= out Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed May 20 09:12:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38126 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 16:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 16:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 16:12:03 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so335576qwb.27 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:11:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.15.6 with SMTP id i6mr485861iba.12.1242835900711; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:11:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905200911k64b61f2cuf46d4987b554d31b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=qpwxYVzFpnXgS_nqo4sW6fiRf5qn-EuKo09oRRgDnHj3fM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Good point. I come up as NYU alum '07. wearing a black shirt in the profile pic. On 5/20/09, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > wrote: > I have a >> bunch of early pics up on my facebook, and I invite you all to add me >> "michael cowan" on there to check it out. > > but wait, which michael cowan are you? there about 4 or 5 on there. > > From kim221998@yahoo.com Wed May 20 09:20:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kim221998@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73111 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.193) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62064 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2009 16:20:07 -0000 Message-ID: <891840.61531.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fYZuNuIVM1nndm0TXJBE.DvlGhdxRstM3IUGxEHP8nDaDo0dANRXftR7wcYWsO5TrelxQP_pA_3QznyRTDBRf3ojTXtN8ii4fneIsKTdTpoTp9w2HkcLSoa4C_S0OhU9Ehdm8qmZe1MhVMGxloqG5szd2dHxXF7L6c5D1bdhSvOEAnw7LbUFO09M6jRs.Xpi7JiP3udHy5nJKVywcGecUoTR4_Y1MTL_LVo9O7aB2G0lOqJB1pwx3vqf_2LlJ0cYHeWiNADsqg.0ujfV6MAVdKjxkzuP8055A2yZbpqzFezhSJegicqYZssESuSlvK3IBUDR_9NGdCzH2Z8ALrDAQBy7Vnfljv.Z X-Received: from [98.183.6.173] by web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:20:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:20:07 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kimberly Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121539762; y=vkIV2cZBrL2VTe7d5tvuJUcqEXZKbthDgFGSC1I3EFJ9TzRI X-Yahoo-Profile: kim221998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok...the link doesn't work...not sure how to post it correctly...sorry ever= yone. Kim check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 www.facebook.com/kim221998 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Kimberly wrote: From: Kimberly Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of= discussing?/New Member To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:03 PM Yes, I have facebook as well. Don't use it much, but I do have one. Haven't= done much with it..no pics or anything.....included the link below. Thanks= for asking. Kim check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 www.facebook.com/kim221998 =A0 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Doug Nelson wrote: From: Doug Nelson Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of dis= cussing?/New Member To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:01 AM --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Kimberly wrote: > check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! > www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 hey Kim (and others), dont suppose you gota facebook page by any chance, do ya? I hardly go to my= space anymore. if not, no biggie. just wondering.=20 ------------------------------------ Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that!=A0 Spread the word ab= out Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links =A0 =A0 =A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that!=A0 Spread the word ab= out Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed May 20 09:30:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69459 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 16:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 16:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f125.google.com) (209.85.221.125) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 16:30:54 -0000 X-Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so981564qyk.21 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:30:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.40.4 with SMTP id i4mr477712ibe.18.1242837030972; Wed, 20 May 2009 09:30:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:30:30 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905200930md09709ep87d16daa2818acb@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=zLniYu_uL0TC9TYanL-QAdP0SLbkB7QGjHmUBocU5OX-jXg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I have had great experiences at every six flags park I have been to - except for kentucky. This includes sfgradv, sfne, sfstl, and sfgram. It just seems to depend on the weather, the crowd, the time of day, and the operatons or maintenance. It is always expensive, but I tend not to purchase much if anything. On 5/20/09, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > wrote: >> >> I gotta say I agree with you Josh (except the epcot thing, when I was >> 13 that place sucked). > > same here. i went the year it opened, i think i was 11 or so, and i hated > it. obviously id probably appreciate it more now but im in no rush to go. > > >> Last year I think I made it to 4 parks, sfne, lake compounce, sfgradv, >> and the new hampshire one with the yankee cannonball. > > lol hey thats 2 more than me! i only got to BGT and Cyrepss Gardens. > > >> My sfgradv trip was terrible. Long lines, big crowds, expensive >> everything...it wasnt fun. > > this got me thinking. does ANYONE have an enjoyable time at a SF park > anymore? at most parks the pros tend to outweigh the cons that people have > during their visit. this never seems to be the case at any of the parks in > the SF chain. i know the ones ive been to i tended to have a more negative > overall experience than a positive one. of course there are ones i havent > been to, especially the heavyweight ones (SFMM SFGAdv etc) so maybe i just > havent been to the good ones. > > > > From jjloj@netzero.net Wed May 20 09:56:51 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60285 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 16:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 16:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 16:56:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1242838592; bh=6qVJMVWBc944hlZf4WUdVBhH2HMYRsB/lDA3B+Gc96I=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=LhUL658RB6ybbIukMOeCc2Wp71+XUsvf/rRIgKsXTHqEf0N2Bp26PUeHrPpKy4oiBybJtp3N5lr1/YuifTVGhXG8aMqKMweSGRSsowmmUG/h3G4zXjiVNqY45bTmtlOn Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 16:56:32 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 16:56:32 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66614 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 14:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 14:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 14:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:17:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 14:17:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:17:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.250.3.35 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=8GujB8zsZKRZitmYpyJ9t0-Is4u2dhibk4pYdupJT2Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 20 May 2009 16:56:31 -0000 If you want to know what happened to "discussions" around here just look at= post 31254 on the list. I posted that Renegade was a better ride then Voy= age with some other comments thrown in. I don't think there was one commen= t about Renegade after that post agreeing or disagreeing. Everything was a= bout my opinion on the terms "wood coaster" and "steel coaster." So Beth is right: the theme of the group is "get off my lawn." This group has gotten from me an exact reflection of what it has given me: = Contempt. This group is about personalities not facts. Facts are needed for discussio= n. You are a click and if you don't want to be one you each as individuals= work on what makes you a click, telling the person with new ideas to get t= hem off your lawn. Otherwise this group will be a place for people to say = where they are going and when they are going to be there. He do you want t= o meet? Etc. The one thing I really do wrong is forgetting that this is e-mail to most o= f you. This is just another one of my Yahoo boards so I go to a website an= d take you folk in when I am in the mood, and ignore you when I am not in t= he mood. I need to remember when I post that many of you have this pop in= to you inbox without any chance to scan and filter. I have tried to work o= n that, but I am often four posts into a thread when I see a sig file and r= emember this board is different. It is one thing to pull up to the parking lot of a bar full of Harley David= sons on my Triumph and pick a fight. It is another to knock on the door of= an HD owner and pick a fight. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 20 10:02:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18650 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 17:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 17:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 17:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6pBG-0006cs-W1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:02:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:02:08 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d10fbb32d518c6277732cc1f585aec469350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ROqefmbgT5g11OqvTMH1MeNuUozTql4I8DrfwRj-rlYSv5s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Only have a short time, but wanted to get this out there. Was at Manta this morning for media day, and will be again tomorrow. Manta has a unique distinction- it's the first coaster to ever make me feel nauseous and queasy. I didn't get sick, but I could tell I was on the verge. That was after doing 2 rides, taking a one ride break, and 2 more rides. And I wasn't the only one. I saw more people from ACE and FLCC with rock hard stomach's feeling the same way. I've never seen so many experienced riders taken for a loop (if you'll excuse the pun). It's certainly one that almost demands a "2 rides then take a break" mentality from most people. My son was one of the few that didn't have any issues. He got in 15 rides, maybe more. There were a few others like him, but not many. Some were saying it's like the intensity of a Batman the Ride, but put in flying form. It's certainly more than the Superman up in Georgia. So tomorrow we'll be smarter. Eat a bit more in the morning to start off with something in the stomach (they didn't feed us anything til later), and take it easy, just a ride or two at a time. I'll have more Friday, with full details. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 20 10:03:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71542 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 17:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 17:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 17:03:08 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so324348yxi.66 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.231.15 with SMTP id d15mr3043315anh.77.1242838927791; Wed, 20 May 2009 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:02:07 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905201002v31e03d61re63dd4be19f2c1e3@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=QoWXhGs1PvVjWgsnXEInRHah-3dy8zKm6o8jnH3x9icB-Z0Ydg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I don't own a bike, but from the things I hear, the Triumph is a much better built bike these days. :) I saw a new HD Sportster the other day, and while it used to be a bike I wanted to own one day - my thoughts went to "meh". Just sayin'. Josh On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Jon Osborn wrote: > > > If you want to know what happened to "discussions" around here just look = at > post 31254 on the list. I posted that Renegade was a better ride then Voy= age > with some other comments thrown in. I don't think there was one comment > about Renegade after that post agreeing or disagreeing. Everything was ab= out > my opinion on the terms "wood coaster" and "steel coaster." > > So Beth is right: the theme of the group is "get off my lawn." > > This group has gotten from me an exact reflection of what it has given me= : > Contempt. > > This group is about personalities not facts. Facts are needed for > discussion. You are a click and if you don't want to be one you each as > individuals work on what makes you a click, telling the person with new > ideas to get them off your lawn. Otherwise this group will be a place for > people to say where they are going and when they are going to be there. H= e > do you want to meet? Etc. > > The one thing I really do wrong is forgetting that this is e-mail to most= of > you. This is just another one of my Yahoo boards so I go to a website and > take you folk in when I am in the mood, and ignore you when I am not in t= he > mood. I need to remember when I post that many of you have this pop into = you > inbox without any chance to scan and filter. I have tried to work on that= , > but I am often four posts into a thread when I see a sig file and remembe= r > this board is different. > > It is one thing to pull up to the parking lot of a bar full of Harley > Davidsons on my Triumph and pick a fight. It is another to knock on the d= oor > of an HD owner and pick a fight. > >=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 20 10:06:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60117 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 17:06:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 17:06:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 17:06:42 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6pFa-0000wR-BC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:06:42 -0400 Message-ID: <4A14389B.3040902@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:06:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> <6785851954294536A1324D8915AA4BFC@ScreamscapeHP> <76e1ec0a0905191938h7200fbcam76519987b308412d@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d2e3eadfd8939260edc269a42faf3455c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=8z2z_3hyC0TmHUTna39TZGtbudoPrPAzLQhG_xUimqXGG0M X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Just skimming before I run out the door again, but saw this and wanted to comment... Michael Cowan wrote: > And finally, I wanted to appologize publicly to George. My last post, > although I maintain that it was attitude-free, was needlessly rude. I > feel like my main points are worthy of discussion (which doesnt mean > thry were necessarily valid), but the way I presented them was wrong, > and I am sorry for that. I have been under too much stress lately and > needed someone to lash out against, and Im thankful to have somewhere > away from home to do that, but it was not right of me. I hope you > will accept my appology, and that our relationship as friends does not > suffer due to what I said. > yeah, that's it Mike. Make me look and feel bad. Forget it. I hate you and hope that you.... :P Seriously, your last post didn't bother me a bit. I'm hoping to catch some time where I can get back in and reply a bit more in depth, but I actually really appreciated your input and comments on how I do things and what I can improve on. It was advice that was taken to heart in a good way and that I want to spend more time on. Please, don't feel bad about that at all. Though I do get very pushy about my opinions and thoughts, I am also very open to suggestions and comments about improvements- whether me or the list, and no worries about attitudes. I'm not going to through one up for that! :) keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed May 20 10:07:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64737 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 17:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 17:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f126.google.com) (209.85.221.126) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 17:07:41 -0000 X-Received: by qyk32 with SMTP id 32so832555qyk.0 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.37.8 with SMTP id v8mr516247ibd.48.1242839249455; Wed, 20 May 2009 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0905201007o70a98e28xbda87e972a788a3c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=EllMYPjeNR424lT5-1D0Oxfs14nPEU1zODWOAgGvwlL9eM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say if anything we would be considered a clique, not a seatbelt sound. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 20 10:26:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98750 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 17:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 17:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f112.google.com) (209.85.221.112) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 17:26:23 -0000 X-Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so869118qyk.25 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 10:25:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.91.213 with SMTP id o21mr1837588vcm.117.1242840322734; Wed, 20 May 2009 10:25:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:25:22 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=OimDSQ8pv3Agyg7WRSsAuzqyUIe1Eed8zGpOpW8A8H6SGW10cUNKcjs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > If you want to know what happened to "discussions" around here just look at > post 31254 on the list. I posted that Renegade was a better ride then Voyage > with some other comments thrown in. I don't think there was one comment > about Renegade after that post agreeing or disagreeing. Everything was about > my opinion on the terms "wood coaster" and "steel coaster." So that's what's wrong with the list? That we got into a discussion/debate over roller coaster terminology & construction instead of a, "No, I like this coaster better", "No this one is best!" discussion? Because to me, that's what's always been *right* about the list. > This group is about personalities not facts. Facts are needed for > discussion. You are a click and if you don't want to be one you each as > individuals work on what makes you a click, telling the person with new > ideas to get them off your lawn. That's not at all true. You didn't fit in, Jon. That's no secret to anyone. But it's not because we, as a group, are unable to have a fact-based discussion (on the contrary, we've had thousands of them). It's because your personality did not mesh well with the group's. So is that the fault of the entire group of people, or the one personality that did not fit? Which seems more logical? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 20 10:28:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23181 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 17:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 17:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f179.google.com) (209.85.221.179) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 17:28:32 -0000 X-Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so948481qyk.11 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 10:28:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.92.204 with SMTP id s12mr1931897vcm.30.1242840508039; Wed, 20 May 2009 10:28:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> References: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:28:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Jkbjnk5D_S9bN_-F5pN-8FTT7zej3hqmR4N3Kw1PUhP6HsNp2fP1JyA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Was at Manta this morning for media day, and will be again tomorrow. > Manta has a unique distinction- it's the first coaster to ever make me > feel nauseous and queasy. Interesting, if only because nothing about Manta strikes me as forceful, fast, or convoluted enough to induce nausea. Have you experienced anything similar with other flying coasters you're ridden (particularly SUF)? -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed May 20 10:38:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83522 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 17:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 17:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 17:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M6pkf-0006LX-42 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <4A144022.2090803@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:38:42 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d9f06b284341c39b47dd2b822a0172e5b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=b7ztCBRLjZD8NE77Rg_xFYwu45eaLm0QsTaiaPOdSNe9Tfs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > > Was at Manta this morning for media day, and will be again tomorrow. > > Manta has a unique distinction- it's the first coaster to ever make me > > feel nauseous and queasy. > > Interesting, if only because nothing about Manta strikes me as > forceful, fast, or convoluted enough to induce nausea. Have you > experienced anything similar with other flying coasters you're ridden > (particularly SUF)? > Not once, ever, on any other ride. With exactly 2 exceptions. I got seasick on a whale watching boat ride which we stupidly took the day after a storm and the waves were well over the top of the 3 story cruise boat we were on. Not splashing, but down in those crests it was quite intimidating to see a wall of water in front of us. The one other time was when I was just starting college and literally chugged a cherry slurpy right before hoping on a pirate ship. Didn't ever feel sick, but I did lose the slurpy (or had it a second time, depending on your perspective.) Otherwise I've never experienced any form or illness or queasiness on a ride. Ever. And there were quite a number of ACE and FLCC members experiencing the same thing I was. keep on ridin George (who really is out now til Friday) -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed May 20 10:44:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13227 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 17:44:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 17:44:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 17:44:04 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a14414933d; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:43:37 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cc4.4f991f10 (37098) for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:43:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.101] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB078-90ea4a14413c118; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:43:24 -0400 Message-ID: <4A14413C.2050900@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:43:24 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A141C2D.9000908@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <4A141C2D.9000908@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Kiddieland (Chicago) closing after 80 years.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=aBFHFPkuFIJkHZgOscRdLPB6LJr5PrdBVxJ3mQ5zaKd5FxGEaw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Cameron Silver wrote: > The new Starbucks and Walmart will be a welcome replacement, I'm sure .. > > http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/kiddieland.amusement.closing.2.1013956.html > > Cameron. > > Actually, that area could probably use a Wal-mart, but that is another discussion for another board on another topic. Besides, the article did not say who the potential buyer would or could be. It is a shame to see yet another small park go by the wayside. I enjoyed my visit there a few years ago, they have a wonderful carousel and some great, unusual flat rides. There was nothing remarkable about Little Dipper, but it is the perfect coaster for that park. Hmmm... I could think of a few parks that could use a coaster like that. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... McCarthy was RIGHT! Behind every great man is a great woman... rolling her eyes. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed May 20 11:30:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51621 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 18:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 18:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f219.google.com) (209.85.217.219) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 18:30:04 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so856722gxk.20 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:29:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.37.8 with SMTP id v8mr607544ibd.15.1242844144646; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:29:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905201129lb2dccefqd652878b0eddaa0b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=InJunw599NAXjKja5qnTZqSHEoMKyhWcMOWNeNoUxqA-iHc X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Seriously Jon, you were demanding that the classification of coasters be changed. You had made up your mind already, and were not open to discussinng it. I understand history is not too valid an argument against your point, but simplicity is. Your ideas were not presented for debate, but instead were presented as the new facts...and you were not willing to accept that people found your views outlandish. Since that conversation ended you have continued to refer to coasters in your classification system, and I continue to roll my eyes every time. But I am not going to respond everytime forcing you to adopt the greater community's terminology. I have not seen anyone do that since the initial discussion. I believe you were mocked for this since then, but that always seemed to be good-natured ribbing to lighten the tension between you and the group. The problem is tone of voice, non verbal cues, and emotion are not acurately conveyed through plain text, and a lot of people do not like using emoticons (a word I loath) to make the joshing nature clear. You never seemed to pick up on this (which I view as a fault of this medium, not a fault of your observations), and you never lightened up or relaxed. Despite that issue, and the pompous way you present yourself overall, I still enjoy reading your posts. Your views (as backwards as I think many of them are) sparked a lot of good conversations. I know I would like to see you post more often, but I do wish you would lighten up a little. Mike On 5/20/09, Jon Osborn wrote: > If you want to know what happened to "discussions" around here just look at > post 31254 on the list. I posted that Renegade was a better ride then > Voyage with some other comments thrown in. I don't think there was one > comment about Renegade after that post agreeing or disagreeing. Everything > was about my opinion on the terms "wood coaster" and "steel coaster." > > So Beth is right: the theme of the group is "get off my lawn." > > This group has gotten from me an exact reflection of what it has given me: > Contempt. > > This group is about personalities not facts. Facts are needed for > discussion. You are a click and if you don't want to be one you each as > individuals work on what makes you a click, telling the person with new > ideas to get them off your lawn. Otherwise this group will be a place for > people to say where they are going and when they are going to be there. He > do you want to meet? Etc. > > > The one thing I really do wrong is forgetting that this is e-mail to most of > you. This is just another one of my Yahoo boards so I go to a website and > take you folk in when I am in the mood, and ignore you when I am not in the > mood. I need to remember when I post that many of you have this pop into > you inbox without any chance to scan and filter. I have tried to work on > that, but I am often four posts into a thread when I see a sig file and > remember this board is different. > > It is one thing to pull up to the parking lot of a bar full of Harley > Davidsons on my Triumph and pick a fight. It is another to knock on the > door of an HD owner and pick a fight. > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 20 11:42:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61648 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 18:42:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 18:42:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 18:42:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16369 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 18:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 May 2009 18:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4A144EE2.7020304@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:41:38 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=uoW6bnsdOmdXiFbWciNfzzx7DDAsBRcFlKNou_M9pXSN-W_- X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Was at Manta this morning for media day, and will be again tomorrow. > Manta has a unique distinction- it's the first coaster to ever make me > feel nauseous and queasy. I didn't get sick, but I could tell I was on > the verge. That was after doing 2 rides, taking a one ride break, and 2 > more rides. And I wasn't the only one. > I pretty much feel this way on all flying coasters, and eventually had to come to the realization that I simply dis-like them. B&M and Vekoma are terribly uncomfortable, hurt me in "personal" places, and generally make me feel ill. Amusingly the flying coaster I have enjoyed the most has been Air, simply because you spend so much time on your back. But I will only ride a flying coaster when absolutely necessary. Cameron. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 20 12:10:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62044 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 19:10:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 19:10:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 19:10:10 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so390548qwj.22 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.85.202 with SMTP id p10mr2092457vcl.72.1242846587482; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A144EE2.7020304@buzzneon.com> References: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> <4A144EE2.7020304@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:09:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=IzD_5r_NrHhR1u-O5kq47uy1QlRRkqCYnlAeV0Jy5xyMuQtXnLLvYiY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > But I > will only ride a flying coaster when absolutely necessary. When is riding a coaster "absolutely necessary"? Credit-whoring? :) -Nate From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed May 20 12:12:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99500 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 19:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 19:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 19:12:23 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so354556yxi.76 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.36.198 with SMTP id u6mr616070ibd.29.1242846732971; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:12:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> <4A144EE2.7020304@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905201212w4fe42a68g510c8eae4d48c5dd@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Uk2g8QL0-jcQF1mBgmRAE01gQ_Q2FGjmA9TkLI11ygOZBeZt X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Nate Kohlrusch w= rote: >> But I >> will only ride a flying coaster when absolutely necessary. > > > When is riding a coaster "absolutely necessary"? =A0Credit-whoring? :) > > -Nate Peer pressure :P From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed May 20 12:27:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42966 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 19:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 19:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 19:27:19 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so376645yxh.44 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:26:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.40.4 with SMTP id i4mr610299ibe.18.1242847579248; Wed, 20 May 2009 12:26:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905201226i48295f0coe99d9ecca8d6eda@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=RGQ59Rq7ZOa8n_rdG16dhtbbRrbFcNzQqm-FUCu0F7IQ87SE X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Josh W wrote: > Another board I'm part of, that I've been participating in actively, > has a whole topic related to swapping cell phone numbers and there's > even some that do addresses and send each other recipes and the like. > I think it's awesome, though I haven't gotten a drunk-dial yet so that > could change... :). I don't know if that other group is the best model to relate this group to since it's a closed private forum that fully embraces it's elitist clique by being selective, closed and invite only. That other group has also probably contributed to the depletion of conversations on many of the other coaster groups and boards around since we've kinda hen-pecked people from all over the place. Although I think it's probably done the most overall damage to URC. (no, I'm not naming it and no, I'm not giving out invites) From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed May 20 12:29:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97549 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 19:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 19:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 19:29:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28591 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 19:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 May 2009 19:29:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1459F9.8080402@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:28:57 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> <4A144EE2.7020304@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=rYAX4NlcWxdVz8QP3wSHvn9uUbUm3EKHT2e5t7H_yzqOdOP4 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > When is riding a coaster "absolutely necessary"? Credit-whoring? :) > Nope, not at all .. in fact I am a very stern anti-whore (all dueling/racing coasters are counted once, and I don't count kiddie coasters (I don't even ride most kiddie coasters)). I did ride Tatsu in Jan 2008 because everyone kept gushing about how great it is (lies, all lies), and then SUF at SFGAm because it was a walk-on. But I would be surprised if I were to ride one again because they are so utterly painful and horrible. It's not a force thing either, I actively like the pretzel loop, because you're on your back. But a person's chest/stomach was not designed to take all their weight (I have no natural padding!). Cameron. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 14:15:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31422 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 21:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 21:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 21:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:14:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:14:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:14:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905200845k210429d8sf64c0afc2022f038@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 32.176.18.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=YyRTeHQTF7_mtA4L7ZIdxz5X73-Ty73bmPYBn__8x8FoJMgnr0Tcak-Lrw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > > Got it. >=20 > I think Facebook is another contributing factor in the down-slide of > the list and even forums on the net. When you can update your status > and give your opinion on something instantly (especially if you have a > PDA/SmartPhone with web browsing), what's the point in going back over > it to write it up again? >=20 > I mean, when I rode Diamondback, I set my status to "DBack is fun - > wheee!", answered a couple of questions about it, then updated to > something else and moved on. I guess sending that same message to the > list wouldn't make as much sense. :) and of course there are groups there you can join as well. I joined some co= aster group there, but like here i havent seen a lot of activity yet either= .=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 20 14:19:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21026 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 21:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 21:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 21:19:50 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so328546ywt.45 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 14:18:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.99.6 with SMTP id w6mr1444229agb.0.1242854330052; Wed, 20 May 2009 14:18:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0905200845k210429d8sf64c0afc2022f038@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:18:49 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905201418s99e6775p78cdcd48a43bd7ae@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=JN92nVCteEZ21iRhUkuS9dFvWHAaA9nkNvOKk43vR4hiAAG1ag X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Yeah. I'm on a bunch of groups for stuff, but none of them are really anything special. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Doug Nelson wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: >> >> Got it. >> >> I think Facebook is another contributing factor in the down-slide of >> the list and even forums on the net. When you can update your status >> and give your opinion on something instantly (especially if you have a >> PDA/SmartPhone with web browsing), what's the point in going back over >> it to write it up again? >> >> I mean, when I rode Diamondback, I set my status to "DBack is fun - >> wheee!", answered a couple of questions about it, then updated to >> something else and moved on. I guess sending that same message to the >> list wouldn't make as much sense. :) > > and of course there are groups there you can join as well. I joined some > coaster group there, but like here i havent seen a lot of activity yet > either. > >=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 14:25:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84801 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 21:25:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 21:25:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 21:25:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:25:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:25:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 32.176.18.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=beiaGs2kPs8dLteimEeleX6vJD56f6Hw9Naxjcoz2-O8CZcwH-HtYQbARQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > Some were saying it's=20 > like the intensity of a Batman the Ride, but put in flying form. It's=20 > certainly more than the Superman up in Georgia. i was just about to ask about how it compared to SFOG's Superman. funny, i = remember seeing the artist's rendition and it looked tamer at the time. i h= ad no idea it was going to be more extreme than that. ive never gotten sick= on Superman so maybe I will luck out the next time i get to orlando.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 14:35:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37556 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 21:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 21:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 21:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:35:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:35:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:35:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A144EE2.7020304@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 32.176.18.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=sRAnl0elanOz9p1mtEnOyajVmwyFOQLKXHfu9hMFRtTJwaKZBZsNThCsmg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: Amusingly the flying coaster I have enjoyed the most=20 > has been Air, simply because you spend so much time on your back.=20 uh...nah. too easy.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 14:36:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58960 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 21:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 21:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 21:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:36:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:36:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905201226i48295f0coe99d9ecca8d6eda@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 32.176.18.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=KkaWOEIgdhRTYV8Ml60P8pqgyD8PE74vcZYmFcNp-MfM2Ymyg0bk7JpGiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wro= te: >> I don't know if that other group is the best model to relate this > group to since it's a closed private forum that fully embraces it's > elitist clique by being selective, closed and invite only. >=20 > That other group has also probably contributed to the depletion of > conversations on many of the other coaster groups and boards around > since we've kinda hen-pecked people from all over the place. Although > I think it's probably done the most overall damage to URC. >=20 > (no, I'm not naming it and no, I'm not giving out invites) good. doesnt sound like a group id want to belong to anyway.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed May 20 14:39:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45136 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 21:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 21:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 21:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2009 21:39:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:39:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A1459F9.8080402@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 32.176.18.47 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=_uNZCNeAv0E6w8LHFU56r-CXgg6sn4bQTGUMMss_4-SL3AIJnCQHWRSY-w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > It's not a force thing either, I actively like the pretzel loop, because= =20 > you're on your back. But a person's chest/stomach was not designed to=20 > take all their weight (I have no natural padding!). so THATS why i like B&Ms-cause im a fattie! yay!! From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed May 20 16:27:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45902 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 23:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 23:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.8.8) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 23:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 39767436 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:25:59 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 16870 invoked by uid 99); 20 May 2009 23:25:59 -0000 Date: 20 May 2009 18:25:59 -0500 X-Received: from 76.204.96.218 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3a1886b76d61d076aefd2b744493d53a.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> In-Reply-To: <4A1459F9.8080402@buzzneon.com> References: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> <4A144EE2.7020304@buzzneon.com> <4A1459F9.8080402@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:25:59 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.8.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: Flying Coasters [Was] Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=2qMy1kXt6kU_t_IT5SeA4as2cioapx8B0epnh_l7f0V5p5Fz X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I always thought the X-Flight (SF-WOA) was a more comfortable ride than the SUF. If there was a coaster of the X-Flight design and one of the SUF design in parks that I had equal access to, I would probably choose the X-Flight. However, I believe that I have ridden SUF at least once on every visit to SFGAm (usually the back seat) and I have been a season passholder there for more years than I care to admit! David Rounds > then SUF at SFGAm because it was a walk-on. But I would be > surprised if I were to ride one again because they are so utterly > painful and horrible. > > It's not a force thing either, I actively like the pretzel loop, because > you're on your back. But a person's chest/stomach was not designed to > take all their weight (I have no natural padding!). > > Cameron. > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed May 20 17:00:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51700 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 00:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 00:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 00:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 00:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 00:00:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 00:00:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.185.31 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=YHHvoZk7og6x5n-m7Sq4yhy7TPIzu3OVwfcrD2M8wbxwCAnXxF6M X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" w= rote: > >=20 > so what would make you contribute then? regardless of your level of exper= ience, id still be interested in hearing about any trips you have at a park= . i dont mind if you dont know who built this ride or the specs for that co= aster. what did you like? what didnt you like? why? what are your favorite = parks and rides? do you go by yourself or with friends and family? do you h= ave a park nearby? and no, im not trying to force conversation, im honestly= interested. id love to see posters of all experience levels post here, not= just the veteran pros.=20 >=20 > and dont worry about the old coots here calling you out. i got yr back! ;= ) > Thanks for the response, Doug. Some of what I'll type will rehash my intro= ductory post from when I first joined the group, but that was a while back,= so it'll seem fresh to people reading it...and even to ME! There's really = nothing specific that'd make me contribute. If a topic catches my eye, I mi= ght respond. I've posted a few trip reports, and some requests for helpful = information...but little in recent times. I ride coasters because I love th= em. If I get off one, I can say whether or not I liked it. I was an English= major, so I take a lot of pride in my writing. I can't write or talk, thou= gh, about helixes and G-Forces and Immelmann loops, because it's not a subj= ect I know. I simply know what I like...and what I don't.=20 My "home" park is SF Great Adventure here in NJ. I've been going there sinc= e 1974, the year it opened. I also cut my teeth(not literally!) on the Jers= ey Shore ride piers. I didn't really become an active participant in the ho= bby until around the later part of the 80's. That's when I began to realize= there was other stuff out there I was missing out on. I have a lousy job t= hat pays very little money, so I don't get to travel much. I take usually o= ne coaster/park trip each summer. I drive, and I am by myself as a general = rule. Occasionally, someone will join me on a local day trip, and I've met = people from another forum at various parks..maybe some of those folks are o= n this list, too, and I just don't know it. Last May, for example, I met Ge= orge and his kids, Amber and Joseph, at Busch Tampa. I also met a woman named Bryanna, who was posting here for awhile, but that= wasn't at a park...turned out she lived near me.=20 I'm 44, single, overweight, and partly deaf, among other things. I mentione= d Great Adventure, but it barely makes my top five parks. Cedar Point is my= favorite, and I also love Kings Island, HersheyPark, Kings Dominion, Kenny= wood, Knoebels, and Holiday World..although I've only been to HW once. The = single best park experience I've had in the last 5 years was last May at Ha= rd Rock Park. No one there, no lines, a dozen rides on Zep,perfect weather,= 3 awesome rides on Nights In White Satin, just a terrific day in Myrtle Bea= ch. I'm so glad to be able to say I went there, because, sadly, many cannot= say that. I hate to see a park fail, but based on the little I've heard, I= 'm not predicting a rosy future for Free-Style Music Park. I prefer wood coasters, mainly in the back seat if possible. My favorite ri= des are El Toro, Beast,Voyage, and Lightning Racer. My top steelies are Mil= lennium Force, Nitro, Superman NE (now Bizarro, give me a bleeping break,)P= hantom's Revenge, and Magnum. I try to enjoy every coaster, but some simply= REFUSE to allow me that indulgence...Dark Knight, Mantis, and Mean Streak = jump to mind immediately. My coaster count is around 235, give or take. I d= on't concern myself too much with the number, and I don't "track"(pun defin= itely intended) the number of rides I've had on individual coasters. I put up a separate post about the trip I'm taking in June, so I won't reha= sh that. Thanks again for responding, Doug, and thanks for "having my back." Thanks to all for reading. Mike=20=20=20=20=20=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 20 19:29:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92091 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 02:29:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 02:29:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.217.170) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 02:29:16 -0000 X-Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so1611735gxk.11 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 19:28:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.84.2 with SMTP id h2mr1662608agb.31.1242872896443; Wed, 20 May 2009 19:28:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3a1886b76d61d076aefd2b744493d53a.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> References: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> <4A144EE2.7020304@buzzneon.com> <4A1459F9.8080402@buzzneon.com> <3a1886b76d61d076aefd2b744493d53a.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:28:16 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905201928m62062355t7a513b6a6a535fa0@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Flying Coasters [Was] Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=MiRG7n_bawdYmDgDKJC9qVEkV6HCULtD_CEnNTOX6X_eh3JjjA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I really like the pretzel loops on the B&M's, and the vertical loop on the Vekomas, but everything else about flying coasters just annoys me. It doesn't help that, at an event at SFGrAm the year their Superman opened, I got stuck on the brake run for almost an hour in flying position. Really makes you wanna run right back out and ride another one, right away.... Josh On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM, David Rounds wrote: > > > I always thought the X-Flight (SF-WOA) was a more comfortable ride than > the SUF. If there was a coaster of the X-Flight design and one of the SUF > design in parks that I had equal access to, I would probably choose the > X-Flight. However, I believe that I have ridden SUF at least once on ever= y > visit to SFGAm (usually the back seat) and I have been a season passholde= r > there for more years than I care to admit! > David Rounds > >> then SUF at SFGAm because it was a walk-on. But I would be >> surprised if I were to ride one again because they are so utterly >> painful and horrible. >> >> It's not a force thing either, I actively like the pretzel loop, because >> you're on your back. But a person's chest/stomach was not designed to >> take all their weight (I have no natural padding!). >> >> Cameron. >> > >=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu May 21 08:06:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18230 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 15:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 15:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 15:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 15:06:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 15:06:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:06:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.241.37.140 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=9LdL5RMZ2ps3or77A_omkpWrksOcPfbtRuyF3fgSmEskhPOWObN2aiFXTg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher" wrote: > I was an English major, so I take a lot of pride in my writing. hey, as long as you arent a grammar nazi like some folks here, we will get = along fine.=20 =20 > My "home" park is SF Great Adventure here in NJ. I've been going there si= nce 1974, the year it opened. I also cut my teeth(not literally!) on the Je= rsey Shore ride piers.=20 nice. i wish i had grown up with rollercoasters and parks nearby at an earl= y age. i always felt i got into it later than i would have if i had had a p= ark closer to where we lived.=20 > Superman NE (now Bizarro, give me a bleeping break,) wait, what?!!? when did that happen? how did i miss that?? From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu May 21 08:09:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68904 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 15:09:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 15:09:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 15:09:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 15:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 15:09:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:09:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905201928m62062355t7a513b6a6a535fa0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.241.37.140 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Flying Coasters [Was] Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=tYn4Fuy42bjzA8EPyYA1xNGxl7C0T2Hqipq07E7TClUHY-NS_5c1x8I_cw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > It doesn't help that, at an event at SFGrAm the year their Superman > opened, I got stuck on the brake run for almost an hour in flying > position. Really makes you wanna run right back out and ride another > one, right away.... oh, you too? something similar happened when we rode S:UF in georgia a few = years ago. they really have to work on that because being stuck in that pos= ition is kinda terrifying. you dont realize how locked in you are to that s= eat until you are hanging there staring at the floor. and the adreneline th= at is going through your body after the ride doesnt help either. you just w= ant to exit. immediate. id much rather be on my back like on the Vekomas, i= would think. never ridden any of their flyers though, so i cant speak for = them.=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu May 21 08:16:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5043 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 15:16:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 15:16:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 15:16:30 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so959861yxg.35 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.109.13 with SMTP id h13mr5341793anc.16.1242918930658; Thu, 21 May 2009 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:15:30 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905210815h37ed010fjc1e4003a9559136f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=CkemUEnFYu8J_RLmEx6mkjmi9YYL-Rg-JjMsQUewlxSB5n8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska The only thing I ask regarding grammer is capitalization. At least the Is. On 5/21/09, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher" > wrote: > >> I was an English major, so I take a lot of pride in my writing. > > hey, as long as you arent a grammar nazi like some folks here, we will get > along fine. > > >> My "home" park is SF Great Adventure here in NJ. I've been going there >> since 1974, the year it opened. I also cut my teeth(not literally!) on the >> Jersey Shore ride piers. > > nice. i wish i had grown up with rollercoasters and parks nearby at an early > age. i always felt i got into it later than i would have if i had had a park > closer to where we lived. > >> Superman NE (now Bizarro, give me a bleeping break,) > > wait, what?!!? when did that happen? how did i miss that?? > > > > From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu May 21 08:22:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32570 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 15:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 15:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f125.google.com) (209.85.221.125) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 15:22:48 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f125.google.com with SMTP id 31so2092991qyk.21 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.81.69 with SMTP id w5mr2893691vck.23.1242919368597; Thu, 21 May 2009 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:22:48 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905210822y24dd5689x9999a3db325a72a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=jp2Fmx1a3PoTH2jGkQhq9Dbd4_CSJp3d9naLu-2YG3XSgth3 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher" wrote: >> Superman NE (now Bizarro, give me a bleeping break,) Superman at NE and Medusa at GAdv got rebranded this last off season... new paint, speaker headrests, fire and mist effects and in Sups case, I'm pretty sure the train redo involved another retool of the lapbar system (no more ankle crushers). From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu May 21 08:27:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70006 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 15:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 15:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f123.google.com) (209.85.221.123) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 15:27:40 -0000 X-Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so468050qyk.4 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.100.130 with SMTP id y2mr2940433vcn.45.1242919599913; Thu, 21 May 2009 08:26:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0905201928m62062355t7a513b6a6a535fa0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:26:39 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905210826k51361424v95496dd22c4ca14f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Flying Coasters [Was] Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=4nG84Rc9wLuOX1Pbk_KhTZYQV--baGFdFKk2tim3lJ4MZ_86 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Doug Nelson wrote= : > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > >> It doesn't help that, at an event at SFGrAm the year their Superman >> opened, I got stuck on the brake run for almost an hour in flying >> position. Really makes you wanna run right back out and ride another >> one, right away.... > > oh, you too? something similar happened when we rode S:UF in georgia a fe= w years ago. they really have to work on that because being stuck in that p= osition is kinda terrifying. you dont realize how locked in you are to that= seat until you are hanging there staring at the floor. and the adreneline = that is going through your body after the ride doesnt help either. you just= want to exit. immediate. id much rather be on my back like on the Vekomas,= i would think. never ridden any of their flyers though, so i cant speak fo= r them. Even being stuck there on the vekomas, your head is lower than your heart so sustaining that position isn't pleasant. (and most of the vekoma flyer brake runs are outside the station, so add direct sunlight and heat to the mix... plus, the foam in those vests tend to absorb odors and start to smell like a locker room after a while... ) basically, getting stuck on any of the flyers =3D unpleasant and uncomfortable. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu May 21 09:38:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66462 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 16:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 16:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 16:38:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 16:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 16:37:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:37:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905210815h37ed010fjc1e4003a9559136f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.158.143.7 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=5ngYkdJIyiyyUlDNAhFZmKNKvt77OXNuWqDxwOwSsqva12hsfzbTwCIEGw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > The only thing I ask regarding grammer is capitalization. At least the I= s. never hurts to ask. doesnt mean you are gonna get it though. know what "i" = mean? From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu May 21 09:40:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90947 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 16:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 16:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 16:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 16:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 16:39:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:39:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905210822y24dd5689x9999a3db325a72a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.158.143.7 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=oK7I52WHSYT92pHz1ueqXQ4tF8c1k0H56lkBdu5woxqvbXeS9KqwaeqkZA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson wro= te: > > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Doug Nelson wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Gallagher" wrote: > >> Superman NE (now Bizarro, give me a bleeping break,) >=20 > Superman at NE and Medusa at GAdv got rebranded this last off > season... new paint, speaker headrests, fire and mist effects and in > Sups case, I'm pretty sure the train redo involved another retool of > the lapbar system (no more ankle crushers). oh thats right. i remember seeing the pictures of the Superman paint job, b= ut didnt realize it had gotten rebranded too. so they both are now Bizarro = themed?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu May 21 09:42:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3883 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 16:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 16:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 16:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 16:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 16:42:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:42:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905210826k51361424v95496dd22c4ca14f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.158.143.7 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Flying Coasters [Was] Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=M0xLAjgm5ehuVPRlqr-5fcTCxy4PONYFBLb8QaSplY4pD_K6xKs0dyraBA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Beth Aslakson=20 hmm, thats too bad. well, maybe the ride ops at Seaworld will be better abl= e to deal with a flyer than the ones at SF and will be able to get people o= n and off more quickly.=20 wrote: > > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Doug Nelson wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > > > >> It doesn't help that, at an event at SFGrAm the year their Superman > >> opened, I got stuck on the brake run for almost an hour in flying > >> position. Really makes you wanna run right back out and ride another > >> one, right away.... > > > > oh, you too? something similar happened when we rode S:UF in georgia a = few years ago. they really have to work on that because being stuck in that= position is kinda terrifying. you dont realize how locked in you are to th= at seat until you are hanging there staring at the floor. and the adrenelin= e that is going through your body after the ride doesnt help either. you ju= st want to exit. immediate. id much rather be on my back like on the Vekoma= s, i would think. never ridden any of their flyers though, so i cant speak = for them. >=20 > Even being stuck there on the vekomas, your head is lower than your > heart so sustaining that position isn't pleasant. (and most of the > vekoma flyer brake runs are outside the station, so add direct > sunlight and heat to the mix... plus, the foam in those vests tend to > absorb odors and start to smell like a locker room after a while... ) > basically, getting stuck on any of the flyers =3D unpleasant and > uncomfortable. > From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 21 09:54:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58206 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 16:54:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 16:54:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 16:54:34 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7BXJ-0003Qv-3K for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4A158731.7070003@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:54:09 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0905191410s1d9e2588se71d6003292ad652@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191410s1d9e2588se71d6003292ad652@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3dd3de54d36bc3eea54696c3d4a8505b9b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=e6vMX6-04c5pV06d8LlniN0TsnLfmxuR0_nzgsKvby5QRLc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Got my brief moments in between Manta and work, so here goes one reply trying to get caught up. (BTW, love the feeling of being behind on the list again! it's been to long) Michael Cowan wrote: > > George does not mention private emails that do not illustrate his > points (and why would he). But that makes all his mention of private > emails invalid in my opinion. Because honestly there aren't to many people who tell me they leave the list for lack of time, to much email, or because people are to nice. I got this one just the other day from someone who actually unsubbed right before this started. It's from someone that I think only posted once, if that, so they should be secure in their complete anonymity. "i very much enjoy hearing other peoples opinions on coasters and other park features, however recent posts have taken a very negative turn.. i hear enough bitching and complaining in real life i do not go on line to hear people argue and complain about things that in the long run have no impact on anything. just got tired of the negative attitudes shown lately" When I get a reply, sadly, that's what I get from about 50% of them, with the others being lack of time, interest, or ability to keep up. So that makes up your others that you want to discount Mike. > > How about this for a solution: George posts the private emails with no > mention of who sent them. This way the sender remains annonymus, but > the list becomes aware of the problems. I would like to think that > members here are mature enough to take constructive critisism > (although we have learned that is not the case) and that people would > not be childish enough to take comments from a leisure message board > too seriously. So there you go. there's a nice generic one I can post without giving it away. Some of them I just can't do that, and I absolutely will not post one that points a specific finger or one that could be guessed who it was (and there are some that would be easy to guess the writer based on what's in it). I just will not breach their trust and confidence that way, no matter how much you might wish I would. > > Here is another suggestion: Add more moderators. George, you have > been complaining about the work load, why not invite more people to > help with the load? hehe, forgive me if I laugh here Mike. How many times have I asked for help on different things or for input and assistance? A number of them. And how many times have I had people respond? Almost none. That's the first sign of who would be a good mod- someone willing to step up and help when there's not much in it for them except thanks. So far I haven't seen anyone willing to step into that role. Additionally, why need another mod when no one is posting? Most of what I've been doing is adding or subtracting people per requests, trying to sort out the calendar reminders, work on some of the changes that Yahoo keeps making in the backend so they go seamlessly to the list (and they've been doing a bunch of that lately) and trying to put new features in, test them out and see if people like them (so far no success on those either). A lot of the time is spent trying to do things to improve and add to the list. But if people aren't posting, and they're not responding to my pleas, then they've already declined on what I need help with. *shrug* We learned during the reminder explosion that > Alan had been made a moderator, and I was upset that this was never > mentioned or discussed with the list until around the time he was > leaving. Sorry Mike, not true. I did announce it to the list and did so before he did the calendar. The reason he was made one was simply to be able to put in all of those calendar dates and some of the other things like that where mod ability was required. he added a few members who requested, but as far as actually mod'ing he never filled that role- and that was on purpose. > You > genuinely care about the health of this list, and your effort shows. > However, over the past year, you seem to have taken it too far. You > appear to be more concerned that no ones feelings get hurt, and the > casualty of this is lively debate and the willingness to post > conflicting veiwpoints. While I have had times that I've stepped in, they've been pretty few and far between- and that's usually when people have crossed lines and I've started getting notes sent to me off list asking me to do something about it. Once I've gotten a couple of notes, that's usually when it's time to step in. It's not just at my whim like you seem to think. > > George this is not an attack on you. As I said before, you do a > wonderful job. But at the same time, your compassionate, protective > nature does not allow for reasonable dischord. I would say the key word there is "reasonable". You may have a different definition of that then I do. When I see two people essentially having repeated the same thing to each other several times, yeah, then it's a reminder to move along and progress to the next stage (which is what the recent note was meant as). When I see personal flames and namecalling, then yes, I may also step in there, but that's usually offlist. I really don't think I legislate much. Most of the time I strive to be a very hands off person when it comes to the list because it mostly self moderates. > I do not know how to state this without sounding whildish, but George > I really think you may be the one with the attitude. Your posts in > this topic have crossed the line into rude and insulting, which you > yourself admitted. Nate only became rude when his calm discussion was > dismissed as arrogant. And again, I said that was a very deliberate choice on my part in this case. Something I rarely do, but after much self-debate I decided to go ahead, purposely, to stir up a discussion that I think needed to happen. You know me well enough, though others may not, to know that's not normal for me to show that- that I try hard to be a calm, reasonable person (though I certainly have my moments). So if I'm blasting out like that, perhaps theres something behind it and I'm trying to accomplish something with that blasting. Something deliberate and intentional, not just emotional screaming. > > Doug, you are right about your points regarding new members vs. old > members, but Nate is also right that those who do not post their > opinions do not deserve to have those opinions counted. Think of it > like our democracy: if you dont vote, you have no right to complain > about the political system. You can still complain, but dont expect > a politician to change anything if you're not going to vote anyway. I think it goes both ways a bit. If people are to intimidated to voice an opinion, then I'll certainly give them credence. If it's just lazyness, then I won't. If people have to fight through a wall of protesters to vote, and decide not to risk a beating at their hands (and we had an incident like that here in Florida not to long ago) then I certainly want to hear their voice. But if someone didn't vote because they slept on the couch all day, nahhhh. :) If people aren't feeling welcome to post for whatever reason then I most certainly want to know that, and why so I can try to take steps to correct that. And I do certainly welcome those opinions on other subjects as well. > > Another point: George, how dare you take credit for the orchestrated > explosion that I created! (and yes, that is a joke, its not very good, > and its probably the only one in this post. ROFL! You're welcome to take as much credit as you want there Mike! It's all yours. hehe > - this post took an hour and a half to write on my PDA (good thing I'm > at work!) > I really appreciate your input and your time doing that. I can't imagine what your fingers much have felt like aftewards. :) keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 21 10:00:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73963 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 17:00:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 17:00:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 17:00:26 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7Bd2-0004R9-Bz for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:00:26 -0400 Message-ID: <4A158896.7000309@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:00:06 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3dd4c231784562f571619b188b56dbee90350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] things worth discussing- life! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Dxs9YVdZG-c1reMsd6LnZxQ0ZwDyzdAbGG1ICO_gEM6dFec X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Beth Aslakson wrote: > I get far more enjoyment out of reading Brian gush about William > riding Avatar, and Josh talking about remodeling his house. Heck, I > don't even know how your health has been after all the stuff you've Just wanted to say that is one thing that I really do love about the list. While the "rules" say to keep it on topic, I would hope that some of our discussions have shown that it is ok to talk about things like this (remember the looonnngggg discussion about beer a while back- torturous for someone like me who doesn't drink! and yes, I'm laughing in there as well, so don't take that to seriously) And since you mention it, health is doing pretty good again, finally. I feel like my immune system is working again almost normal, and it's hoping the digestive system fully comes on line, but that's not much of a hindrance. Still get the occaisional migraine, and have to work off some weight that I put on with all the time off while sick, but we're getting there. Right now the big thing is trying to find a full time job in my field. :) > > And because I'm sharing that I'd much rather read about life stuff... > just a little btw... I'm engaged now. :P > Ok, so when did this one happen? About time! Details, we want details! :P keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 21 10:02:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85975 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 17:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 17:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 17:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7BfN-0008Uo-Od for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:02:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4A158927.4090109@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:02:31 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d868f29b988b84a96b6c547d7d9ca4ade350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=huukCMqHXyM4mabD74ul2itv6yRRbywMxJSxtbEIF9ebpAI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > An update on me: Ive been engaged for a bit over a year, and the > wedding is coming up sept. 6th. We bought a house in early april, but > it's a work in progress. I was finally able to move about half my > stuff in last weekend, and am a lot more relaxed now. I'm pretty much > living there but there is no TV, no computer, and no stove. I have a > bunch of early pics up on my facebook, and I invite you all to add me > "michael cowan" on there to check it out. I remember the engagement. Your time is drawing close! Ha! Any ideas on when the tv, computer and other stuff is going to happen? That would drive me nuts to not have those at home! and I'll have to try to find you on Facebook as well. That's the main social site I use. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 21 10:07:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16747 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 17:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 17:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 17:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7Bjg-0006h1-Iv for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:07:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4A158A33.3090504@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:06:59 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> <6785851954294536A1324D8915AA4BFC@ScreamscapeHP> <76e1ec0a0905191938h7200fbcam76519987b308412d@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d88c4eb16aa301ebc9608fb0aebea76e8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ND-5iXOJueAiNQ69Ndsf2HXQvRjxDfNPuIK-rgzZOfLoSRo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > Thanks, and sorry for being a jerk lately > -mike I think it's done us some good for us to get some of that out and figure out what was going on. I know it has me. So no apologies necessary. > (the vbuadoml inciddent brian was talking about was my drunk post from > freshman year in college back in late 02 early 03...you have to > remember that one!) Ahh, now I remember! Yeah, that one was, well, interesting to say the least. I don't have time to look it up in the archives, but someone want to so we can point it out to those who are wondering what we're talking about? keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 21 10:12:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86421 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 17:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 17:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 17:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7BoD-0003KI-QI for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:11:59 -0400 Message-ID: <4A158B4F.1050609@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:11:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0905200829t6c8053cbk4c793d70452f541a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905200829t6c8053cbk4c793d70452f541a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3db4a09c9804afef76114d65f57b6ddae4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=IOCI2DoTgdB0Lv9RmnYeA01Mfqw2CkPhNgn_t5ovWTZhwfk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Last post before I have to run- hopefully full TR from Manta's media day tomorrow Josh W wrote: > It depends on how you feel about educational stuff. If you're going > just for thrills, you won't find much at epcot. I'm big into the > countries in World Showcase, especially the restaurants. I'm a huge > gourmet food junkie, to the point of posting reviews on zagat.com and > even doing a bit of gourmet cooking myself. If I didn't have to start > all over from scratch, I'd probably consider leaving IT to become a > chef. Gotta try the new Kim Possible adventures. Everyone seems to love them, and they're a blast for all ages! > > Maybe I'll do a report from my last vacation down there at the end of > March. George, I took your advice and we at in Mexico at the San Angel > Inn - WOW, their food is incredible. I was expecting standard Tex-Mex > type fare, but what I got was pan seared mahi-mahi with olives and > fresh tomato puree over a bed of nicely seasoned rice. The dessert? > The white chocolate mousse in the filo dough shell with the fresh > fruit and homemade Mexican creme caramel. Yeah, that was goooood. See, sometimes I am worth listening to! It's a great place to eat, and nothing "standard" about it. :) keep on ridin' George (who loves Epcot so much he chose to work there out of all 4 of the Disney parks) -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu May 21 10:13:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16340 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 17:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 17:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 17:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7Bpc-0006hK-VN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: <4A158BA6.9050900@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:13:10 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> <165816ef0905201007o70a98e28xbda87e972a788a3c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0905201007o70a98e28xbda87e972a788a3c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478b6068cd38e010e3d0fc15c3b234c097a048130d04f44f882350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=UWIx3Tan8tZoEPmUt2-K0lTrPAFBZItflHTwboxWnQfY1ac X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > > > > I would say if anything we would be considered a clique, not a seatbelt > sound. > pfft. :P Going to click that lock around your cliquish neck! hehe BTW, missed you today. Your best friend from Amusement Today was out at Manta. hhehehehe keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu May 21 10:58:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94220 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 17:58:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 17:58:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 17:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 17:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2009 17:58:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:58:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191410s1d9e2588se71d6003292ad652@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.135 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=PsGRcxone9onDiYBDkJ-OD3LkvAfGjugx3QogYHnNiszO4qxgg X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 (Due to the recent volume on the list, I'm a bit behind now). I completely disagree with this idea. If someone has written a private mess= age, it should be kept that way. There is *no* excuse for publicly posting = that message. Jon Z --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: >... > How about this for a solution: George posts the private emails with no > mention of who sent them. This way the sender remains annonymus,... From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu May 21 12:09:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48219 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 19:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 19:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.145) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 19:09:31 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so920219qwj.12 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.77.17 with SMTP id e17mr3355461vck.47.1242932911318; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A158896.7000309@earthlink.net> References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> <4A158896.7000309@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:08:31 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905211208r4a3b1974j737f07712bd865a0@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] things worth discussing- life! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=dq-dIav2PHl6eXSpjImR5Y_n3bmLmlZ9bAn_AWgEhxTqyNDy X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, george burnash wr= ote: >> And because I'm sharing that I'd much rather read about life stuff... >> just a little btw... I'm engaged now. :P >> > > Ok, so when did this one happen? =A0About time! =A0Details, we want detai= ls! =A0:P > Same day as Solace this year (NOT at the event though, not that big a geek...), so mid March and we moved him to Michigan shortly after that (2 1/2 week road trip that I never really discussed... bad slacker Bethie) . No date set yet, still haven't had my ring resized, so it's been a big pinkie ring that falls off for 2 months. Probably 2011 at the earliest... have to not kill him while we're in the same state first (so far so good) and I'd like to be half as present before I have all those photos taken and losing half a person takes some time :P From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu May 21 12:28:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26557 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 19:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 19:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f127.google.com) (209.85.221.127) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 19:28:16 -0000 X-Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so2095102qyk.10 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.72.194 with SMTP id n2mr3410983vcj.52.1242934035814; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm5359250yxs.53.2009.05.21.12.27.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 May 2009 12:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4a15ab12.8905be0a.38bd.7009@mx.google.com> To: Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:27:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcnYyoE8ehjBYfETSByImmGenWMa6gBfO9ew X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=4zKbp_8UuS1F-s4K4peOMFA93kUggwptMU5IdsJ5n4ca99Q X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =93An update on me: Ive been engaged for a bit over a year, and the wedding= is coming up sept. 6th. We bought a house in early april, but it's a work in progress. I was finally able to move about half my stuff in last weekend, and am a lot more relaxed now. I'm pretty much living there but there is no TV, no computer, and no stove. I have a bunch of early pics up on my facebook, and I invite you all to add me "michael cowan" on there to check it out.=94 =20 That sounds familiar, I am getting married in two weeks (have been engaged since March of =9208 and owned a house together since October =9207=85so it= is not like it will be a life-altering event). The Baltimore city records burned in 1906, so we are estimating our house built in the 1890=92s. Our problem was not so much the house=92s age, but the fact that our previous owner did= a lot of things, even electrical, on the cheap.=20=20 =20 Josh, it is funny you should mention cooking because a lot of my time/money lately has gone to fixing up the house and to save money and maintain sanit= y I really got into both cooking & food. With coasters being work for me I was looking for other things to spend time on and cooking/buying local/etc became something I have grown interested in, much to Tomoko, my fianc=E9=92= s, delight. =20 George, one thought I had for the group, and I apologize if someone suggested this already, is it possible to make a private group on Facebook for RCT? It would be a group, but only members of people subscribed to thi= s list could get access to. With FB currently a system that a lot of people use (even myself, who resisted social networking sites for a long time and still kind of dislikes FB) I thought it might be good to have a presence there. I think its primary purpose would be just another way to connect th= e people here. In addition, with Yahoo=92s albums workable but seemingly archaic it seems like a place where a lot of people post pictures. I don= =92t think it would replace this list, but might be a nice supplement to it. I know a lot of companies are dropping or minimizing their official websites and investing in elaborate FB and other sites (go to the people instead of bringing the people to you). Perhaps this would be a way to continue to foster the uniqueness of this group as well as occasionally getting some ne= w folks in. Just a thought I had. =20 Adam =20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 21 12:30:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35622 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 19:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 19:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f129.google.com) (209.85.221.129) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 19:30:01 -0000 X-Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so3161006qyk.6 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:29:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.73.209 with SMTP id r17mr3370592vcj.46.1242934141307; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:29:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905191410s1d9e2588se71d6003292ad652@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LM_YN3RjUImc8QzduBM9o-PHR9fqDpJGdp0zK8OuUjvYqDIE9TyYcEY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > If someone has written a private > message, it should be kept that way. There is *no* excuse for publicly > posting that message. I agree, and I hope nobody thought I was suggesting otherwise in any of my posts in this discussion. Nobody's private message should ever be posted to a public forum. However, if private messages to George begin to reflect a trend or hint at a larger problem with the list or its participants, I feel that should be posted (ie "I've received a bunch of complaints lately about ____"). That way nobody's privacy is being trampled on, but the complaints aren't going unnoticed and unresolved. That said, I would always encourage anyone to post their opinions publically rather than in a private message to George. That's what discussion groups are for. -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu May 21 13:21:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45550 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 20:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 20:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 20:20:57 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so700104yxb.85 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:19:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.143.17 with SMTP id q17mr5744812and.114.1242937197004; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:19:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A158927.4090109@earthlink.net> References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> <4A158927.4090109@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:19:56 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905211319xc9285cepd758e2498a3ea927@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=yWrEQkZx27dUBbs3CjCmQRiVanECfcR38Tvqtd-WXHnKVLM X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska No idea on the computer, we're still a while away from being able to afford internet or cable, but we do have a decent dvd collection and video games. It has actually been nice having nothing but the radio and board games. The worst part is not having a stove. But Erin's an awesome cook and managed to bake some great muffins in our toaster oven. On 5/21/09, george burnash wrote: > Michael Cowan wrote: > >> An update on me: Ive been engaged for a bit over a year, and the >> wedding is coming up sept. 6th. We bought a house in early april, but >> it's a work in progress. I was finally able to move about half my >> stuff in last weekend, and am a lot more relaxed now. I'm pretty much >> living there but there is no TV, no computer, and no stove. I have a >> bunch of early pics up on my facebook, and I invite you all to add me >> "michael cowan" on there to check it out. > > I remember the engagement. Your time is drawing close! Ha! Any ideas > on when the tv, computer and other stuff is going to happen? That would > drive me nuts to not have those at home! > > and I'll have to try to find you on Facebook as well. That's the main > social site I use. > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 21 13:44:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85318 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 20:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 20:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 20:44:25 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so811767qwc.60 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.97.67 with SMTP id k3mr3540505vcn.7.1242938621641; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: To: coastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=29vKeswtGYN2fxuGzOKVXFd3TL1DAmQpgzsVbbWRmHBsME3px_C9Ceo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Has anyone been to Indiana Beach yet this year? I'm not really understanding their new pricing structure. (I realize there is now "free admission" with a POP pass offered for rides, but can you pay per ride or not?) -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu May 21 13:50:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65356 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 20:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 20:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 20:50:51 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so712429yxg.83 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:50:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.88.16 with SMTP id l16mr2438514agb.91.1242939051482; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:50:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905211319xc9285cepd758e2498a3ea927@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A12F17F.9090007@earthlink.net> <74b0c9f30905191421r164900cbgb2fe0c5cce2baee@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> <4A158927.4090109@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905211319xc9285cepd758e2498a3ea927@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:50:51 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905211350i132eedb5u820a9666efb2e1ac@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=NUz-m52PLwTr_h_P8k_bgemxXqofeNSjZfiUMFAgxC-zYtUpVg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I wish you were closer to us. We're putting in a new range, but the old one seems to function - it's just from 1978. Do you have a grill? You can always put pots and pans on the grill top, too= . :) On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > > > No idea on the computer, we're still a while away from being able to > afford internet or cable, but we do have a decent dvd collection and > video games. It has actually been nice having nothing but the radio > and board games. The worst part is not having a stove. But Erin's an > awesome cook and managed to bake some great muffins in our toaster > oven. > > On 5/21/09, george burnash wrote: >> Michael Cowan wrote: >> >>> An update on me: Ive been engaged for a bit over a year, and the >>> wedding is coming up sept. 6th. We bought a house in early april, but >>> it's a work in progress. I was finally able to move about half my >>> stuff in last weekend, and am a lot more relaxed now. I'm pretty much >>> living there but there is no TV, no computer, and no stove. I have a >>> bunch of early pics up on my facebook, and I invite you all to add me >>> "michael cowan" on there to check it out. >> >> I remember the engagement. Your time is drawing close! Ha! Any ideas >> on when the tv, computer and other stuff is going to happen? That would >> drive me nuts to not have those at home! >> >> and I'll have to try to find you on Facebook as well. That's the main >> social site I use. >> >> keep on ridin' >> George >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------ >> With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. >> > >=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu May 21 14:20:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64600 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 21:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 21:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 21:20:14 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so751417ywm.10 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.231.15 with SMTP id d15mr5930263anh.77.1242940754822; Thu, 21 May 2009 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4a15ab12.8905be0a.38bd.7009@mx.google.com> References: <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> <4a15ab12.8905be0a.38bd.7009@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:19:14 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905211419k2e9a65f8g241d49f83012489a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=SRNitLfiLwdpXA-5d3oMzJt16y3oyrIzGeknwvuV-Ip1v_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I think that could be beneficial to many people, but I personally have adopted a no-groups policy on facebook. On 5/21/09, Adam Sandy wrote: > =93An update on me: Ive been engaged for a bit over a year, and the weddi= ng is > coming up sept. 6th. We bought a house in early april, but it's a work in > progress. I was finally able to move about half my stuff in last weekend, > and am a lot more relaxed now. I'm pretty much living there but there is = no > TV, no computer, and no stove. I have a bunch of early pics up on my > facebook, and I invite you all to add me "michael cowan" on there to chec= k > it out.=94 > > > > That sounds familiar, I am getting married in two weeks (have been engage= d > since March of =9208 and owned a house together since October =9207=85so = it is not > like it will be a life-altering event). The Baltimore city records burne= d > in 1906, so we are estimating our house built in the 1890=92s. Our probl= em > was not so much the house=92s age, but the fact that our previous owner d= id a > lot of things, even electrical, on the cheap. > > > > Josh, it is funny you should mention cooking because a lot of my time/mon= ey > lately has gone to fixing up the house and to save money and maintain san= ity > I really got into both cooking & food. With coasters being work for me I > was looking for other things to spend time on and cooking/buying local/et= c > became something I have grown interested in, much to Tomoko, my fianc=E9= =92s, > delight. > > > > George, one thought I had for the group, and I apologize if someone > suggested this already, is it possible to make a private group on Faceboo= k > for RCT? It would be a group, but only members of people subscribed to t= his > list could get access to. With FB currently a system that a lot of peopl= e > use (even myself, who resisted social networking sites for a long time an= d > still kind of dislikes FB) I thought it might be good to have a presence > there. I think its primary purpose would be just another way to connect = the > people here. In addition, with Yahoo=92s albums workable but seemingly > archaic it seems like a place where a lot of people post pictures. I don= =92t > think it would replace this list, but might be a nice supplement to it. = I > know a lot of companies are dropping or minimizing their official website= s > and investing in elaborate FB and other sites (go to the people instead o= f > bringing the people to you). Perhaps this would be a way to continue to > foster the uniqueness of this group as well as occasionally getting some = new > folks in. Just a thought I had. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu May 21 14:31:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41083 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 21:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 21:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 21:30:55 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so766068anc.19 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 14:29:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.152.1 with SMTP id z1mr5946722and.69.1242941395605; Thu, 21 May 2009 14:29:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4a15ab12.8905be0a.38bd.7009@mx.google.com> References: <6ab4641f0905191439h79549c04r5d73880376db81d8@mail.gmail.com> <4a15ab12.8905be0a.38bd.7009@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:29:55 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905211429m3775ff0dleda5d9ab39640481@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=yiOiBHfiAdLw6cESCds4THAN1anWJTnCe-0rnPy9TooIzlY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Congrats on the house and the wedding. Itsfunny, I got engaged last march as well....and my house is full of problems caused by the last owner doing a half assed job on electric, finishing, sealing, installing windows. Dude was like 1/2 way through fixing up the place and said screw it and threw the rest of it together as quick and cheap as possible. I mean, really, wo hot glues an institutiontional type carpet to the kitchen floor? Getting that thing up was a week of work. Oh, and on the coaster front, Erin and I were going to stop by sfne for an hour or two to be dissapointed by bizzaro (I think the headrests are going to take away a lot from the ride, and I hate being forced to listen to music against my will...I feel the same way about the music some people have wen you call them). The main part of the day was gonna be spent at the new ct science museum or dinosaur state park. But my superviser just called and now I will be stuck in some hospital from 5pm monday to 8am tuesday to help out a unit member. lame. -Mike On 5/21/09, Adam Sandy wrote: > =93An update on me: Ive been engaged for a bit over a year, and the weddi= ng is > coming up sept. 6th. We bought a house in early april, but it's a work in > progress. I was finally able to move about half my stuff in last weekend, > and am a lot more relaxed now. I'm pretty much living there but there is = no > TV, no computer, and no stove. I have a bunch of early pics up on my > facebook, and I invite you all to add me "michael cowan" on there to chec= k > it out.=94 > > > > That sounds familiar, I am getting married in two weeks (have been engage= d > since March of =9208 and owned a house together since October =9207=85so = it is not > like it will be a life-altering event). The Baltimore city records burne= d > in 1906, so we are estimating our house built in the 1890=92s. Our probl= em > was not so much the house=92s age, but the fact that our previous owner d= id a > lot of things, even electrical, on the cheap. > > > > Josh, it is funny you should mention cooking because a lot of my time/mon= ey > lately has gone to fixing up the house and to save money and maintain san= ity > I really got into both cooking & food. With coasters being work for me I > was looking for other things to spend time on and cooking/buying local/et= c > became something I have grown interested in, much to Tomoko, my fianc=E9= =92s, > delight. > > > > George, one thought I had for the group, and I apologize if someone > suggested this already, is it possible to make a private group on Faceboo= k > for RCT? It would be a group, but only members of people subscribed to t= his > list could get access to. With FB currently a system that a lot of peopl= e > use (even myself, who resisted social networking sites for a long time an= d > still kind of dislikes FB) I thought it might be good to have a presence > there. I think its primary purpose would be just another way to connect = the > people here. In addition, with Yahoo=92s albums workable but seemingly > archaic it seems like a place where a lot of people post pictures. I don= =92t > think it would replace this list, but might be a nice supplement to it. = I > know a lot of companies are dropping or minimizing their official website= s > and investing in elaborate FB and other sites (go to the people instead o= f > bringing the people to you). Perhaps this would be a way to continue to > foster the uniqueness of this group as well as occasionally getting some = new > folks in. Just a thought I had. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From lance@screamscape.com Thu May 21 17:21:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7545 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 00:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 00:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 00:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M7IUz-0006eh-Qr for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 May 2009 17:20:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: References: <76e1ec0a0905191541l3a89943cmb93b0752d3380465@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0905201129lb2dccefqd652878b0eddaa0b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905201129lb2dccefqd652878b0eddaa0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:21:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=QHibto3gQNB_oGqQ5epPuCae_J9FCWfuki23ts3s9ZVmo2Y6k65LZVK8Aw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cowan" > Seriously Jon, you were demanding that the classification of coasters > be changed. You had made up your mind already, and were not open to > discussinng it. I understand history is not too valid an argument > against your point, but simplicity is. Your ideas were not presented > for debate, but instead were presented as the new facts...and you were > not willing to accept that people found your views outlandish. > Since that conversation ended you have continued to refer to coasters > in your classification system, and I continue to roll my eyes every > time. To be honest, this is what I really started to ignore the posts... I hate to say it, but whenever turned into another Jon VS The World crusade, that's when my pinky fingers gets that nervous twitch and and starts to smack the delete button until all the e-mails from RollerCoasterTalk were gone. While I'm not old, I like to say that I've been on the internet long before it was called the internet... and long before there were Trolls surfing the forums, they existed in other forms with names long forgotten, but had generally the same kind of additude and habbits. These users would sudden show up out of nowhere into an established group with the sole purpose of posting anti-comments... these days I call them "button pushers". Whatever comments and personal additudes they can express that are in opposition to what is generally considered the norm, or status quo, they will make and take. Back in the day, there was always a couple of them anywhere you went to stir things up... and in the case when the 'sysop' (told you I've been around if you recognize that term...) got tired of them and deleted their account, they would show up again as another new used under a new name and soon start things up all over again. So with this mindset, I've got to admit that I kind of wrote Jon off as even being a real person with real opinions. To be, Jon was another button pusher. And I see enough of them... to this day there are still 3-4 people I get e-mails from into Screamscape each and every week, asking the same non-sense questions about the same dumb topics, just to try and get a reaction out of me. But once I recognize the pattern of who they are, I just drop their e-mail address into my spam filter and they vanish for awhile... until they come back with a new name and new e-mail address and try it all over again. The funny coinsidence is that half of them always seem to choose a name that starts with "J". :-) It's not a get of my lawn thing... as I love to hear what other people think, but I really don't want to argue about the basic terms of discussion such as why a wooden coaster should be called steel coasters because the track is still metal, or something else odd... especially when the person everyone is agruing with refuses to listen or even accept that their concept may be wrong. I'm not saying we're all 100% right either, but it gets to the point of just being too silly to bother with. For example, if I came forward and said from now on I'm only going to use the term "Floogleschmit" to referr to any kind of water ride... just because I say so and for no other reason, and this went on for months... I'd have to think that people would be ready to lock me up somewhere. Between that and just a dramatic increase in real-world responsibilities and activities, I just haven't had the time. I have to admit, I didn't even notice when the news posts stopped coming, though I do miss those now as I did appreciate them. I already knew about 90% of them before I read them on here from posting my own news reports on Screamscape, but I still appreciated them as they were being served to the group by a member of the group. I mean, I could have been doing that, or re-printing my Screamscape stories here on a daily basis, but I felt that would be taken as an unwanted abuse by some, as Screamscape isn't for everyone, and I didn't want to be acused of blatant self-promotion. So the only time I ever posted something like that was when I felt that I had some kind of big news break that the group would want to know about. From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu May 21 17:38:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49863 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 00:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 00:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 00:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-24-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.24.241]:43563 helo=[10.0.1.198]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1M7IlB-0006CL-Pk for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:37:17 -0400 Message-Id: <40E02359-2B86-42E7-9977-E3182C1F0F56@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:37:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: SFNE Bizarro Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=LsUlxpZO8pcZIpHVVu-I2_69Et4cvkTf65lTL5Ejod6wkuEGSoCpYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam So I went to media day at SFNE this morning and into early afternoon. Got there, checked in, walked back to SROS, er, Bizarro. The park looks very nice; they appear to have made permanent that football thing they plopped in where they were wanting to put in the new coaster last year (or two years ago?); they've also added "Blitz," an upcharge slingshot thing. Usually it'll be $15; they did a special for $6 today. I didn't do it. They had a couple of other rides running -- Catwoman's Whip (which remains rather S&M-themed for a kid-oriented ride), Joker's Revenge (the return of a ride that used to be inside, now where that weird torture-looking ride was next to SROS before). The DC area was full of contest winners, local dignitary-types, and park employees, along with costumed superheroes, etc. (Note to self: be glad career has never included "dressing up as the Joker in 85- degree weather.") Even with a pretty good crowd, every seat was walk- on except for the very front. I got four or five rides in, one in the very front, one in the very back, the rest sort of in the middle. The actual ride is unchanged from before. The trains are new, with marginally more comfortable restraints and Polk Audio speakers in the headrests blaring...noise. I'm sure if I focused very hard I could figure out a story, and the sound was more or less synchronized with the ride (e.g., when you go through the flashy light area by the picture/gift shop, it makes lasery noises), but mostly it was just loud. They've added a bit more theming elsewhere too -- lights and mist in the tunnel at the bottom of the first drop, the aforementioned blinky lights and mist as you go by the picture shop, and big flames shooting up in the helixy part after the return. The flames only worked once that I saw all day; they're impressive (and hot!) and will probably be very cool at night. I've heard that they will only operate when the wind is less than 15 mph, which means, well, not very often. My initial review, which I think I'm sticking with: Bizarro = noisier and moister SROS. Still a great ride, but not any better; certainly harder to ride multiple times given the level of the sound and my old- man crankiness. Still, Six Flags did a nice event and it's probably a good investment. They spent real time on updating the theming and the whole area looks terrific. And it is, still, my favorite steel coaster. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu May 21 20:20:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88220 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 03:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 03:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.228) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 03:20:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82658 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 03:19:44 -0000 Message-ID: <337910.82054.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: e1.cH.gVM1kCf0HZJpRx6nELo8Puwb66OHMrtUGf32gg3V2rjBM5hPdcyaZ5kUPyuJzQP5v3GpnIBXkM1LOfdHfb3FD_CZhHi2X_8KYyf765H1RlijQGrkGkWMpmQNjB2OS4_zozoU_28LEkZ83BZscH9f81QBWR8e5rBXDXGYyQIZIspbP.YLxGmhZyIn9LpIoAG.sCiRPwCCjgbIMZmSPuoE9ynDO72zq77mxIB_8GS24XzG1jUdIR9wEumN8rjsFgc2vWJ8NzLJneueHcOe7n1KcfnKi6XzJVBc6YismIlBz4F7aQemaVFjCsI0OQ2IaBnQnNfnBbyS2B6CzdokyT8TU- X-Received: from [24.255.111.194] by web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:19:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:19:44 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4A1088ED.2000103@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=8ECXKCzl9yPpsHdl14_UfEGDSgsc0fXRf6OmJkPurrjLzA7p X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 _______________________________ From: george burnash To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:00:13 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discuss= ing? If you don't go the parks anymore, why not? Short answer: http://zacharyt.shutterfly.com/ Long answer: We found out my wife was pregnant in March of '08 which pretty= much erased the whole summer of '08 as I wouldnt dare ask her to walk arou= nd a park pregnant when she couldnt ride anything.=A0 Now that he's here, i= t is still looking unlikely that we will get to many if any parks.=A0 And i= f we do, they are likely to be only one of the local parks. Last time I stepped foot in a park was October 2007, when we took a trip to= Disney World (again).=A0 I guess I never gave my opinion of Expedition Eve= rest nor of Blizzard Beach (both new experiences at the time).=A0 Perhaps I= 'll do that soon. lata, jeremy (a slew of replies forthcoming, some substantive, others more akin to rando= m jackassery) =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu May 21 20:25:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1394 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 03:25:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 03:25:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.76) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 03:25:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87604 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 03:25:17 -0000 Message-ID: <488669.83801.qm@web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 35M8mTYVM1kTnCWoaL0OmhRw3dD_aUssCnDKtFYKmMspVw.BqkATH4SAA_GHNtmINtH89bIT_Ks_vMjwIoIao4qbfgAFcujL4knst9qKzpAcdR9HG6dqAI8YrijLncTP5qskn3YUfd.h_bNf2jvdCUhlY5eFNrNZdDpgUH7JICnRYq3nnUF2n03PiBq16KoXhcQzDMSiG3eIIQeHpQUGqf0EPsgrfy.CTF32jlCjwGDI3k7gMuKLJKPv.eZ6M457kmlQbB0cERkzf0pJ6kvzPFyClSN0isrFBWEUkzjJTY6IXLURD5OFWT13mymZFja3o.2QnBFCPXYesooG4G_wuR6A_6A- X-Received: from [24.255.111.194] by web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:25:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <468533.39800.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A12A57E.1090504@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:25:17 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4A12A57E.1090504@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So is there anything you find worth of discussing?/New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=SMhTVguAjtyQjqKs6vXUO2SM35rwuW3bnG5sr1eRLKipjO6O X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 _______________________________ From: george burnash Welcome Kimberly! Yes welcome Kim! Kimberly wrote: My goal is to get > to Cedar Point sooner or later! Cedar Point is a great park, and one that should be visited at least=20 once if you're able. But I'm going to commit heresy here and say that=20 there are a lot of parks that I like better than CP, and honestly if I=20 had the choice there's at least a dozen I'd say to visit first, before=20 you go there (e.g. Silver Dollar City, Dollywood, Busch Gardens Europe,=20 etc.) I cant say that I would suggest *any other* park than Cedar Point to a coas= ter lover.=A0 It's not my personal favortite park (that would be the Disney= Parks) or even my favorite non-disney park (that would be HersheyPark).=A0= But CP really does have an excellent collection of rides and that view of = the skyline from the causeway is a sight for any coaster lover to behold.= =A0 It'd have to be a really weird day for a coaster lover to not be at lea= st somewhat pleased with a trip to CP.=A0 Just dont fall victim to "anticip= ointment" (one day this needs to be accepted as a real word) lata, jeremy =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu May 21 20:37:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78790 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 03:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 03:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.76) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 03:37:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95112 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 03:37:09 -0000 Message-ID: <73944.94472.qm@web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KLmSOiEVM1kRxcom4ywz53DgfoN1Q.JXNgvCIXEJO67qeXtsYObmHYjNej5WHQKvl8Jyj_6bpYj_Y7n9aSjLR8R0lC9a4XC7geSgKwSbAxxSo3X_R0ESjuCwvKXvC8mmFhYw_NcurxJ8QDyIOnLWb6Hpn_VAaHwaFPBPPh4IYZWboNqgtwc1TxVyEzeDrSqwP5c3X7VD3pcSDmGkRYd3P2lTdvAU5TZroP0w5OtavO2XcvwPBjBNfBk12rJOKVy3xSRtLkHl6w989i68DyL1XXgeiFU.jZ99BuLRMcWzwhbAcpGuRNZLdGo5GurX7KI- X-Received: from [24.255.111.194] by web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:37:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <4A0E4706.8080108@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905160100n66ac021bv9666d6c6a1287e28@mail.gmail.com> <4A100308.9050407@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905171202o19bead15l26fa4efec2b30711@mail.gmail.com> <4A1086F0.7000605@earthlink.net> <4A12AAEA.1010505@earthlink.net> <4A12FABE.9010500@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:37:09 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4A12FABE.9010500@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=JEHo1DrLkADc06NB74aagdEkddY2yVGuzX_mqZF-4SrZ9qfy X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 ______________________________ From: george burnash gburnash@earthlink.net Or, lets do it this way by invoking the old Sandy-Norris clause and=20 agree to disagree on our viewpoints on those. Gosh, that old thing!=A0 It's been around since at least 2002. I thought th= e statute of limitations had long run out! (J/K =3D]) lata, jeremy (yes, for those wondering, the "Norris" of Sandy-Norris meme f= ame...or is is infamy =3D]) =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri May 22 04:40:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91691 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 11:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 11:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.228) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 11:40:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30856 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 11:40:11 -0000 Message-ID: <139696.30262.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jk2GSpwVM1lZcgZNenqoV_0jKK14WplBlMXXKnDo8y.OA4nBzDfpC69xkqnpY52XfUhEynqHrrkcMKMFgykkM7zoqraMVOb1oFGn4Q.HnvjxxXTbXepq07aagOpK83Klk7L_me.UkzsEhkyxjTk.dfbStJY760JOvxH9uPDHBl9xuPJUgTTHHUxZd4vqXZMyO4eoOUIl_85qCI7rk324oCzg8hQCcuCz9FFt9c70HYAErSlmU7QA4LkRnFgjw_vaYMZ7y.rJX3o- X-Received: from [24.255.111.194] by web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:40:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0905200829t6c8053cbk4c793d70452f541a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 04:40:10 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905200829t6c8053cbk4c793d70452f541a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=IvmWbDiD6l4jwI-1Z7_zKkxeTIoh_BtgQqt9gWuSneNeFJ3e X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 From: Josh W To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:29:17 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? "It depends on how you feel about educational stuff. If you're going just for thrills, you won't find much at epcot. I'm big into the countries in World Showcase, especially the restaurants. I'm a huge gourmet food junkie, to the point of posting reviews on zagat.com and even doing a bit of gourmet cooking myself. If I didn't have to start all over from scratch, I'd probably consider leaving IT to become a chef. Maybe I'll do a report from my last vacation down there at the end of March. George, I took your advice and we at in Mexico at the San Angel Inn - WOW, their food is incredible. I was expecting standard Tex-Mex type fare, but what I got was pan seared mahi-mahi with olives and fresh tomato puree over a bed of nicely seasoned rice. The dessert? The white chocolate mousse in the filo dough shell with the fresh fruit and homemade Mexican creme caramel. Yeah, that was goooood." I hope you have purchased one (or more) of the Disney cookbooks.=A0 We have= a "Cooking with Chef Mickey..." something-rather-another book and the reci= pies are really good and fairly simple.=A0 Also, if you are really becoming= a 'foodie' you must go to Epcot in October during the "International Food = and Wine Festival".=A0 A few years ago, they had a sub event called "Taste = of the Senses" with famous chefs providing morsels, several vineyards provi= ding libations, and roving and staged entertainment by the Cirque du Soleil= performers.=A0 I *think* this is an annual sub-event, but we didnt do it t= he last time we were there, opting to celebrate our anniversary at Bistro d= e Paris while watching the fireworks as well. I liked the atmosphere @ San Angel, but it was booked up for dinner the nig= ht we were gonna eat there so we ended up at=A0Tutto Ltalia Ristorante inst= ead.=A0=A0Several years ago (2002 I beleive) they had a great Norwegian buf= fet, but they had changed it to one of the character dining experiences by = 2007. Oh, and I'll assume that you've already been to Jiko: The Cooking Place in = the Animal Kingdom Lodge.=A0 If not, why not?=A0 It's destination dining, u= nless you've got *really* deep pockets and opt for Victoria's and Albert's = instead (most expensive meal I've had *ever*...but good!) lata, jeremy =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri May 22 05:02:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39590 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 12:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 12:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.220) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 12:02:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75986 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 11:51:27 -0000 Message-ID: <663430.73912.qm@web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XeRRzvcVM1l1kXU7btcTf6benitk2GHW.Do7EeN58pqp9Btzy8Ip4YEuNgKTrRecwhaxtPhg9lt3P9wMcSTjyn8ihnlde.jHxTBs28hJjnQJq4QXl9RjRiQYTahm4OqPUynvGZkbQJYN97m1F.G49tRMQ_wcWiTKQaaSCZ4nE9UwruA2cnvF_R.DlyptsbME4RMNqC9Bmq5h9Y4OAB0X6v7_Asgci1jfApaSRTNzX_5lr9Efm3lwWWmm_peBgW2CE2z1vr_gIltqhhnPugPzcIdCDykIrbinGKgLwxE- X-Received: from [24.255.111.194] by web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:51:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 04:51:27 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoaster talk , tameisha_d@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Allwine, voice of Mickey Mouse for 32 years, dies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=uYGoG8SWMclDqrj3gPkP4Ar54QUUUKpPhMZneMIOdRvmPYP9 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obit_wayne_allwine Not exactly park related, but since I know there are a ton on Disney freaks= on the list, I thought it appropriate to post.=A0 What I found most facsin= ating was this part: "The Walt Disney Co. says Allwine died Monday of complications from diabete= s, with Russi Taylor, his wife of 20 years and the voice of Minnie Mouse, b= y his side. He was 62." Who knew Mickey and Minnie were married in real life? lata, jeremy =20=20=20=20=20=20 From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri May 22 09:46:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27514 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 16:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 16:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f159.google.com) (209.85.217.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 16:46:44 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f159.google.com with SMTP id 3so4126365gxk.17 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 09:46:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.103.13 with SMTP id a13mr3295781agc.103.1243010804396; Fri, 22 May 2009 09:46:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <139696.30262.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <6ab4641f0905200638ic56ea9laf6d966f3f53979a@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0905200829t6c8053cbk4c793d70452f541a@mail.gmail.com> <139696.30262.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:46:44 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905220946g47ce204ao366b181edf93246c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=uB-AKABS8ISOV-O8Mp1FNSUgGXpMgFtn_Zp4oAkn9fCfU2hBKA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny We actually did Citricos this time instead of Jiko. We were going to go to Jiko the next day, but their menu is incredibly similar, and we really wanted Boma that night. My next trip down, I plan on doing Narcoossee's, and the new Cat Cora restaurant on the boardwalk. I'm most likely going to be heading back to Citricos on nearly every trip, as it is seriously, still the best meal I've ever had. I highly recommend asking the server for their wine selection, and skipping the menu pairings, as we found some wines we would have skipped over ordinarily to be amazing with our meals. I had the Filet Jardiniere, paired with King's Estate Pinot Noir from Oregon - on the lower end of the price scale, but highly recommended and did not disappoint. I should really write up a report of the places I've eaten at Disney. The list of places I HAVE been to, is quickly bypassing the ones I haven't. Josh On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Jeremy Norris wrote: > > > > From: Josh W > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:29:17 AM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: So, where did the list go anyways? > > "It depends on how you feel about educational stuff. If you're going > just for thrills, you won't find much at epcot. I'm big into the > countries in World Showcase, especially the restaurants. I'm a huge > gourmet food junkie, to the point of posting reviews on zagat.com and > even doing a bit of gourmet cooking myself. If I didn't have to start > all over from scratch, I'd probably consider leaving IT to become a > chef. > > Maybe I'll do a report from my last vacation down there at the end of > March. George, I took your advice and we at in Mexico at the San Angel > Inn - WOW, their food is incredible. I was expecting standard Tex-Mex > type fare, but what I got was pan seared mahi-mahi with olives and > fresh tomato puree over a bed of nicely seasoned rice. The dessert? > The white chocolate mousse in the filo dough shell with the fresh > fruit and homemade Mexican creme caramel. Yeah, that was goooood." > > I hope you have purchased one (or more) of the Disney cookbooks.=A0 We ha= ve a > "Cooking with Chef Mickey..." something-rather-another book and the recip= ies > are really good and fairly simple.=A0 Also, if you are really becoming a > 'foodie' you must go to Epcot in October during the "International Food a= nd > Wine Festival".=A0 A few years ago, they had a sub event called "Taste of= the > Senses" with famous chefs providing morsels, several vineyards providing > libations, and roving and staged entertainment by the Cirque du Soleil > performers.=A0 I *think* this is an annual sub-event, but we didnt do it = the > last time we were there, opting to celebrate our anniversary at Bistro de > Paris while watching the fireworks as well. > > I liked the atmosphere @ San Angel, but it was booked up for dinner the > night we were gonna eat there so we ended up at=A0Tutto Ltalia Ristorante > instead.=A0=A0Several years ago (2002 I beleive) they had a great Norwegi= an > buffet, but they had changed it to one of the character dining experience= s > by 2007. > > Oh, and I'll assume that you've already been to Jiko: The Cooking Place i= n > the Animal Kingdom Lodge.=A0 If not, why not?=A0 It's destination dining,= unless > you've got *really* deep pockets and opt for Victoria's and Albert's inst= ead > (most expensive meal I've had *ever*...but good!) > lata, jeremy > >=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri May 22 10:08:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14606 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 17:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 17:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 17:07:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9283 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 17:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 22 May 2009 17:06:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4A16DBAC.3010102@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:06:52 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=lsBfbkD9xvlVwX2znuhRI3C1TSvgfFZo3GAxeshdPyDuAPD0 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Nate, I was at Indiana Beach a few weeks ago, but didn't really pay much attention to the pay-per-ride pricing. I can tell you that they no longer sell tickets, instead everyone gets a barcoded wristband. When boarding a ride you scan the wristband and it tells you YES or NO. It all works pretty well.. Overall the park (we were there opening day) was looking great (aside from more of the horrid pastel paint everywhere). I'm very excited for this season. Cameron. Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > Has anyone been to Indiana Beach yet this year? I'm not really > understanding their new pricing structure. (I realize there is now > "free admission" with a POP pass offered for rides, but can you pay > per ride or not?) > > -Nate > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri May 22 10:13:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59925 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 17:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 17:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 17:13:44 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1143920ywk.84 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.141 with SMTP id t13mr863521ibt.28.1243012364349; Fri, 22 May 2009 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:12:44 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=DmO1_Cs6hts5gS4E78CoK3dw2pEJ8BE8u04LKtzvV7OTLrXk X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Nate Kohlrusch w= rote: > Has anyone been to Indiana Beach yet this year? =A0I'm not really > understanding their new pricing structure. =A0(I realize there is now > "free admission" with a POP pass offered for rides, but can you pay > per ride or not?) They have a new cash card in addition to the bar code wrist bands that I believe can be used for pay-per-ride, they just don't have anything explicitly listing the price per ride that I can find. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 22 10:38:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39532 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 17:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 17:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f105.google.com) (209.85.221.105) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 17:37:57 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f105.google.com with SMTP id 3so2997016qyk.3 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 10:37:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.77.75 with SMTP id f11mr4339530vck.85.1243013876687; Fri, 22 May 2009 10:37:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=uDtNQ_p82ripUfo65m4j8KbSIrNOSiWWP75xPq5-_rUUKr3m4kpovd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > They have a new cash card in addition to the bar code wrist bands that > I believe can be used for pay-per-ride, they just don't have anything > explicitly listing the price per ride that I can find. OK, that's how I figured it may work. We're heading to Holiday World this weekend since my plans to attend HWN were destroyed by a wedding this year (grrr...), and I thought maybe we'd swing by IB first for an hour or so. If you can pay per ride, it might be worth a visit. Otherwise I might just have to make some calls and beg for free day passes. :) -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 22 10:43:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62620 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 17:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 17:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f111.google.com) (209.85.221.111) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 17:43:20 -0000 X-Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so113284qyk.15 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 10:42:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.77.68 with SMTP id f4mr4430118vck.44.1243014152547; Fri, 22 May 2009 10:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: To: coastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=PvcziGRgZce5Enx7MRmnDISycWOuJ22tsPFEj193Wlek70AVMK9cwYU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Terminator Salvation: The Ride is now open at SFMM. Lance linked to some photos on TPR of Media Day coverage: http://www.themeparkreview.com/parks/photo.php?pageid=23&linkid=6036 . There's also some b-roll video footage here: http://www.prnewswire.com/broadcast/38252/press.html . Personally, I think Six Flags did a really great job with this ride (and no, I don't think the theme was an odd choice). :) -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri May 22 10:45:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9369 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 17:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 17:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 17:45:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26703 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 17:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 22 May 2009 17:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4A16E46A.4020904@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:44:10 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> <4A16E3E8.9010700@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <4A16E3E8.9010700@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fS1mSRtrGfMdWZ8KLP6n6YucRPKplVUtgLGhpzD9hA3tEMdc X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Also remember that Indiana Beach POP wristband is about half-price if you show an ACE membership card. (I'm not a member, but it's good information to put out there). If you do go, please give Cornball a big hug from me :) Cameron. Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> They have a new cash card in addition to the bar code wrist bands that >> I believe can be used for pay-per-ride, they just don't have anything >> explicitly listing the price per ride that I can find. >> > > OK, that's how I figured it may work. We're heading to Holiday World > this weekend since my plans to attend HWN were destroyed by a wedding > this year (grrr...), and I thought maybe we'd swing by IB first for an > hour or so. If you can pay per ride, it might be worth a visit. > > Otherwise I might just have to make some calls and beg for free day passes. :) > > -Nate > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site athttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri May 22 10:56:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33901 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 17:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 17:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 17:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2009 17:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2009 17:55:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:55:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A143790.2010503@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.135 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=iqQz041iZEfmpxx7kTrZaTVcJ2FtWS3t7M7nXDNKgrobX9b48A X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 I have to do it the other way...no food at all. I can skip breakfast and th= en ride spinning rides before lunch. Once I've eaten, I'm much more suscept= ible to queasiness/nausea Jon Z --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: >=20 >...=20 > So tomorrow we'll be smarter. Eat a bit more in the morning to start=20 > off with something in the stomach ... From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 22 11:36:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2718 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 18:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 18:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 18:36:43 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1197659qwb.27 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:35:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.81.65 with SMTP id w1mr4450287vck.76.1243017342896; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:35:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A16E46A.4020904@buzzneon.com> References: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> <4A16E3E8.9010700@buzzneon.com> <4A16E46A.4020904@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:35:42 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Bf06tvLszwY8jHR5ebOrwXLN40WdZiuhNGfcA0c7M3ih2K6M49Nnd8g X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Also remember that Indiana Beach POP wristband is about half-price if > you show an ACE membership card. (I'm not a member, but it's good > information to put out there). Have you ever known me to be an ACE member? ;-) > If you do go, please give Cornball a big hug from me :) If we go, it'd be to give Steel Hawg a try, but I'd definitely take a ride or two on Cornball. I haven't decided whether or not I'd give the Lost Coaster another try. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri May 22 12:10:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: screamscapelance@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6702 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 19:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 19:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 19:10:47 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1104461qwk.20 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.97.75 with SMTP id k11mr4519643vcn.75.1243019444768; Fri, 22 May 2009 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> <4A16E3E8.9010700@buzzneon.com> <4A16E46A.4020904@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:10:44 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f8162345066dcf5b Message-ID: <8d240fd50905221210i2974ed6tbf19606a7f1f7ff5@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Lance Hart Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=Ucu6odb-Mos7WMWSySBfWY4Nfk3_IDYXBZeMVjQTYdEV3OD9neFQHKBDaA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >>If we go, it'd be to give Steel Hawg a try, but I'd definitely take a > ride or two on Cornball. I haven't decided whether or not I'd give > the Lost Coaster another try. > I had heard that Lost Coaster was somewhat fixed from when it first opened, so it's no longer as rough. Rough or not though, I thought it was a fun unique coaster. The only downside was the netting over the cars that I think ruined the visuals a bit too much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri May 22 12:13:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52649 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 19:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 19:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 19:13:18 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1024401ywk.64 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.118.19 with SMTP id q19mr1540517agc.35.1243019593146; Fri, 22 May 2009 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8d240fd50905221210i2974ed6tbf19606a7f1f7ff5@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> <4A16E3E8.9010700@buzzneon.com> <4A16E46A.4020904@buzzneon.com> <8d240fd50905221210i2974ed6tbf19606a7f1f7ff5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:13:13 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905221213j4eb2ccadx1a0f39aa868f02f7@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=nbV2H_66-SyrMrp2-KLi-7i8Dy-tPJq1fICMJ26p6ZF_bdgMpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Personally, I thought it was a blast, even when it was in its "infant" stages, and it ran like it had triangular wheels. :) On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Lance Hart wrote: > > >> >> >>If we go, it'd be to give Steel Hawg a try, but I'd definitely take a >> ride or two on Cornball. I haven't decided whether or not I'd give >> the Lost Coaster another try. >> > > I had heard that Lost Coaster was somewhat fixed from when it first opene= d, > so it's no longer as rough. > Rough or not though, I thought it was a fun unique coaster. The only > downside was the netting over the cars that I think ruined the visuals a = bit > too much. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri May 22 12:51:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88290 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 19:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 19:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 19:51:27 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1050224ywk.4 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 12:51:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.13.139 with SMTP id c11mr918980iba.2.1243021876655; Fri, 22 May 2009 12:51:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <663430.73912.qm@web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <663430.73912.qm@web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:51:16 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905221251q1cd771c4g1cb05ae46a71a82a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Allwine, voice of Mickey Mouse for 32 years, dies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=p_CbQnB0aJGhZy-G0vZ3sbczug3zraXFe64LrlN0xF2_RVI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Yeah I heard the story on NPR yesterday. It said he was one of 3 people to ever play the voice of Mickey, with another of those three being that Nazi-loving Walt himself. On 5/22/09, Jeremy Norris wrote: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obit_wayne_allwine > > Not exactly park related, but since I know there are a ton on Disney frea= ks > on the list, I thought it appropriate to post.=A0 What I found most > facsinating was this part: > > "The Walt Disney Co. says Allwine died Monday of complications from > diabetes, with Russi Taylor, his wife of 20 years and the voice of Minnie > Mouse, by his side. He was 62." > > Who knew Mickey and Minnie were married in real life? > lata, jeremy > > > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri May 22 13:18:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75128 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 20:18:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 20:18:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 20:18:23 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so1039900ana.31 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 13:17:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.131 with SMTP id g3mr869541iba.54.1243023440949; Fri, 22 May 2009 13:17:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905221213j4eb2ccadx1a0f39aa868f02f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> <4A16E3E8.9010700@buzzneon.com> <4A16E46A.4020904@buzzneon.com> <8d240fd50905221210i2974ed6tbf19606a7f1f7ff5@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0905221213j4eb2ccadx1a0f39aa868f02f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905221317g75efedb7p26ad097d4c43c555@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=SZodm6ehji4Y3Xe3qKD_L4F5x3AtPzJREKGOmkBZfdTUTdE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I thought it was fun but violent when we were there back on the infimous last SRM trip. I remember second car rear facing was extremely violent, and really hugged that line between aggresive and just bad. The other seats were all enjoyable, but the overall ride didnt live up to my expectations, which were not that high to begin with. It was as if you had a choice between borderline painful and drably mediocre. I still loved the park. You guys got me good in the haunted house...and coasterbob guesturing to us when we were at dinner was a hilarious high point to on the trip. Cornball was the best non-holiday world woodie on the trip. Cameron: is the park still running the best doubleshot cycle around? Rye's didnt compare, but Canobie's was very good. And could you write up something about you feelings on steel hawg? I find that coaster very intruiging, but im really not sure if I would enjoy it at all. I can usually guess which coasters I will like and which I either wont or would find mediocre *cough* B&M hypers *cough*. This one I have no idea if I would love it or hate it, and I like being confronted with that feeling about a coaster. -mike On 5/22/09, Josh W wrote: > Personally, I thought it was a blast, even when it was in its "infant" > stages, and it ran like it had triangular wheels. :) > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Lance Hart wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>If we go, it'd be to give Steel Hawg a try, but I'd definitely take a >>> ride or two on Cornball. I haven't decided whether or not I'd give >>> the Lost Coaster another try. >>> >> >> I had heard that Lost Coaster was somewhat fixed from when it first >> opened, >> so it's no longer as rough. >> Rough or not though, I thought it was a fun unique coaster. The only >> downside was the netting over the cars that I think ruined the visuals a >> bit >> too much. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri May 22 13:19:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78507 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 20:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 20:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.147) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 20:19:55 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1123530qwk.20 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 13:18:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.99.200 with SMTP id v8mr4590008vcn.97.1243023535535; Fri, 22 May 2009 13:18:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905221213j4eb2ccadx1a0f39aa868f02f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> <4A16E3E8.9010700@buzzneon.com> <4A16E46A.4020904@buzzneon.com> <8d240fd50905221210i2974ed6tbf19606a7f1f7ff5@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0905221213j4eb2ccadx1a0f39aa868f02f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=dWlAuMHqbxPTuylU9ZJqHkgefdkXESjOiYu9KjxLpzigL3DD3QMf3QM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Personally, I thought it was a blast, even when it was in its "infant" > stages, and it ran like it had triangular wheels. :) Did you really ride it in its first year? Because it was God-awful. I saw medical carry someone off who received a concussion from being thrown around so much. Easily the worst roller coaster I've ever ridden, SOB included. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri May 22 13:20:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: screamscapelance@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48549 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 20:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 20:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f123.google.com) (209.85.221.123) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 20:20:30 -0000 X-Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so1662799qyk.4 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 13:20:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.97.212 with SMTP id m20mr4721970vcn.27.1243023624911; Fri, 22 May 2009 13:20:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:20:24 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 947b770257700fce Message-ID: <8d240fd50905221320u39d0da5au61110939e57d4b72@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Lance Hart Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=XeqjMtg030rgLR80nBg9HR_tTXlZT-vT6aQCTeZgMAbXieOeV9jVNB883Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sure as hell thought it was an odd choice... and still do to a point. Metal Monster... wood coaster. Hmmm... still strikes me as odd. I was surprised they put a flame effect on it... it is wood after all. Plus X2 already has a flame effect, but it looks nice from what I've seen. I've got to wonder if Scream will be changed into Bizarro next. Couldn't hurt... and a good way to fix their parking lot coaster. Fun Fact - Does anyone remember that the original Terminator attraction for Universal was a Terminator themed coaster? How odd... what a coincidence. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > Terminator Salvation: The Ride is now open at SFMM. Lance linked to > some photos on TPR of Media Day coverage: > http://www.themeparkreview.com/parks/photo.php?pageid=23&linkid=6036 . > There's also some b-roll video footage here: > http://www.prnewswire.com/broadcast/38252/press.html . > > Personally, I think Six Flags did a really great job with this ride > (and no, I don't think the theme was an odd choice). :) > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri May 22 16:32:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38235 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 23:32:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 23:32:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 23:32:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22514 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 23:31:34 -0000 Message-ID: <977020.22279.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lhneSmcVM1m24ZxSeE2iRmpGR3TcPpGWqnndhsZfnM04kiLwWEr5QFvwTzMfWS9BYpu1v68zDv4vqMzoMCoGm50pBK9WywoGBRsuwSitwt_cIjAAUHuITatJ1RWxd2MqWXlqNfJBmjYT6aa.j8cvNb1YpNVdnfwPCYkxytLE_Kb7HvZIVMmZHQxm0NV2B1Qw_wm29zGKDbUr7odKL_tU.ueaCCaRtPpwdIGiBXUKoHoFvayr_A8jf9lYseOQJgsxAUshwvxdH_f.h4UIjjh6p1refGLgLsFdOwMa X-Received: from [72.70.231.62] by web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:31:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:31:33 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Lake Compounce Sunday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EK3YUi3ZXyrUKAY5oQC8JGrlzJZIODNe7KdOSxjPo9DmTphhzgaw X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been computer-less for two weeks, so I have a lot of catching up to do= .... Yes Bill, you remember correctly -- BD had a short stretch of ineffective t= rick-track there. =A0Last year, GCI replaced it with a triple-up, which IMO= is much more effective and a lot of fun. Karen and I have season passes, so I expect we'll be heading there quite of= ten this year. Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri May 22 16:50:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35723 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 23:50:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 23:50:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 23:50:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61422 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 23:49:35 -0000 Message-ID: <105046.61160.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pWa8Sp4VM1l71yumK0T6v9_N0qrvPB.7mQOlTT8G0DB92zUtdHazmappnreZ8zL0MPxx2K_KVfZg8cA7IKOhnroS.IaeooFNqddjO1.KWEPhrokCEvTn2cIx79rMEiqjxJjOM5reMjkkx5pfJ_4yaoEkCtODc2bAKp8yE9UAzy5R2YjJwkgWoEAvk7ywMLmlIUtEYcnj7_7IAaiC0koyg.O4lsDOQE1JxmeKNwUn2Nnk3au7PA68ugRftGY2sYB8_A0j9SRwyMQId3B5rHef3uBFK0CBVxn5BX.H X-Received: from [72.70.231.62] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 16:49:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:49:35 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Va8xqVtVd5Tn0HWuJYKF3mg_wWn3GoeAD82GvWKJEBAd_vi7Dqjg X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as new parks and new rides go, there's currently only one new park o= n our list for this summer: Martin's Fantasy Island. =A0We're going to CP t= o visit our daughter. =A0We figured we'd take our time and stop at Martin's= for a day or two, and maybe see Niagara Falls again. =A0Heck, we might as = well slip over to Marineland as well. We'll have a few days at CP and then head back and possible stop by Seabree= ze and/or Waldameer. =A0I'm really beginning to feel my age, and I just can= 't drive for fifteen hours straight like I used to. =A0My body's really sta= rting to feel it. =A0So I figure just taking it slow and easy will make for= a more enjoyable trip (instead of the old days when we'd hit six parks in = a week). We have our Lake Compounce season pass, so I'm sure we'll be heading there = a lot. =A0And we'll certainly make our annual pilgrimage to Canobie Lake. = =A0But mainly, we have a lot of work to do on our house this summer. =A0Plu= s, I'm preparing a new Media Arts Center at the college where I teach; it's= opening this fall and there's a lot of work to do. BTW, I find it remarkable that this list has been going strong for over a d= ecade! =A0It may have gone into a lull for a few years, but it's still one = of the most enjoyable amusement park discussion groups around. =A0So thanks= , George, for being willing to put up with all of us and for continuing to = be our fearless leader. Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri May 22 17:05:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24096 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 00:05:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 00:05:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 00:05:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66709 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2009 00:05:46 -0000 Message-ID: <359367.64004.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: liqdafsVM1kGtb5PMCT7oZFeR1UNLlJwU.SX7EuVzA8LM5pP0Odsloz3RHVetPsBq0DUjAVhU2TX7kATPOqY6anESqD9D.jUJBdR7.rhkRlHRUHEMTSNvONnPF8YqX0u7ExBsvCM83ZS54RrfDKQJJwtjip55Lr5NI5w1B8f_jn6Dd7PsRfkrbI90P8jmHZPkCAoSM2HO8noGF5iZiinLmbtuMS97DW_P5V4jWupqOkZAkYgRh.NvNImKqGjtSNaoI0egR.Rdmew.FJvNMwHs6ijedFFAwMQYZf35mnH.h9alBIaMg-- X-Received: from [72.70.231.62] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 17:05:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:05:46 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Bizarro Media Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=OK059rxa2OpZ4CUeRJCh0XarvER7j3aVDthe-EovmBYqKq6-rAf- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a report from The Republican: Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri May 22 17:13:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3528 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 00:13:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 00:13:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 00:13:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29765 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2009 00:13:42 -0000 Message-ID: <905773.28302.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wyvfPW4VM1ltpyiMz2jHR5bM7no4lGrsuB8YSXGjZ315WtevdOMt.8ZLjmfr1xQjhLRyQ1Zc1y8ph1Db1lgwxroyk_ytjjVNB__If.b18sdBB.WUCNihSoED.VP1FShDue39Nqkkt3ZbpJsh58evYFe0aHBPC1gLdS2KaqzQivAMkwH4U6pID0T.BrN4lv.XYk9VVvSTWjdLOVoNb2aIG4htOJUBlZyXdIID9KtI5G1cI7KTvFxZvFdklrSzvrW_pGR3s1IZPkjLR8BZZA1hLrZnKNnCBA.mJwUoa1vOn1MzJQ-- X-Received: from [72.70.231.62] by web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 17:13:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:13:42 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Mountain Park rebirth? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=lAbkCjAv9W72R0MzroIpyRQ3ST94C4f-5r1E17PgUEs2rVPNzatv X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric Suher, the developer who bought the Mountain Park property in 2006, ap= peared before the local conservation commission in Holyoke. =A0His construc= tion crews had encroached on some protected wetlands. =A0He's remediated th= at problem. =A0This August he plans to open a huge outdoor concert arena th= ere. =A0(My guess is that it will be at the old ballfield on the hill.) But one other interesting off-hand remark was made that night. =A0Suher sai= d he wants to bring back Mountain Park "the way it was." Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri May 22 18:16:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7537 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 01:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 01:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 01:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2009 01:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2009 01:16:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 01:16:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.184.110.243 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Manta article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=koDt-OTMmBhao8nhE3aIR9-5u_ImONLun8ZolpsfymRyM3dIk3cKW9Y7xw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 one the wife found today; http://www.tampabay.com/features/travel/attractions/article1002529.ece From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri May 22 19:01:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92690 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 02:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 02:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 02:01:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22998 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 02:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 May 2009 02:01:22 -0000 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:01:17 -0500 References: <74b0c9f30905221012v25b2fbe0x79845071783e4ac2@mail.gmail.com> <4A16E3E8.9010700@buzzneon.com> <4A16E46A.4020904@buzzneon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Indiana Beach pricing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=qGDyvlnTr51VAKZX5cHxox8BwYcQ8-2_Lk_P7GlPKXmmkdc6 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, >> Also remember that Indiana Beach POP wristband is about half-price if >> you show an ACE membership card. (I'm not a member, but it's good >> information to put out there). > > Have you ever known me to be an ACE member? ;-) It was more for the benefit of others (although note that I not-so- sneakilly slipped in that I'm not a member either :) ). >> If you do go, please give Cornball a big hug from me :) > > If we go, it'd be to give Steel Hawg a try, but I'd definitely take a > ride or two on Cornball. It's funny, I always forget about Hawg when I think about Indiana Beach; which is odd because on the whole I really like that coaster. I will come right out and say that I prefer Cornball, and maybe even Hurricane for the view/setting; but Hawg is a great, great ride. For it's size and footprint it delivers a lot fun and thrills. Ride quality is very smooth, and the elements flow well through the transitions (before my first ride I was really worried it would be rough and painful - it really isn't). The only problem with the ride really is capacity. The way the station is set up it's only possible to unload/load a single car at a time. If the station were reconfigured then it would be possible to unload one car while another is loading - this would obviously be of huge benefit. Now admittedly this is only a real issue on the busiest of days.. > I haven't decided whether or not I'd give the Lost Coaster another > try. I highly recommend Lost Coaster, especially if you haven't ridden it since the opening year (or even the year after). It is vastly improved, and is easily re-rideable now. You will still get tossed around a bit, but in a much more fun way. It's a great ride (probably my favorite mine-themed ride..). For what it's worth, I spoke with several people on the TPR Midwest trip who'd only previously ridden Lost Coaster in its opening year, and they could not believe it was even the same ride .. the improvement is very significant. And yes, the Double Shot is still the best I've ridden too. 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--YCalReminder=RcMGCbraAQLntRSawDqgXPR1hGIK1243057817-1-- From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat May 23 05:27:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7030 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 12:27:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 12:27:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 12:27:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2009 12:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2009 12:27:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:27:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.185.31 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: TR (brief) Manta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=McLTJcxjyagvdQ6mclnxoXxu1Qv2KmuL9nmpMs3YpYZmV_tMgq6Z X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > > I have to do it the other way...no food at all. I can skip breakfast and = then ride spinning rides before lunch. Once I've eaten, I'm much more susce= ptible to queasiness/nausea >=20 >=20 > >...=20 > > So tomorrow we'll be smarter. Eat a bit more in the morning to start=20 > > off with something in the stomach ... This is always an interesting topic, because there's a lot of different way= s people do it. Personally, I eat breakfast, either at a buffet or McD's, B= urger King, Friendly's, Bob Evans, whatever's around. I go the whole day at= a park without eating, save maybe a pretzel. Then I hit a fast food joint = after leaving the park...fortunately, they stay open late. Mike > From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sat May 23 05:47:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84084 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 12:47:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 12:47:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 12:47:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23093 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2009 12:46:12 -0000 Message-ID: <711475.1580.qm@web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PjQjtSgVM1kDErcY9zB97XpbSfgRFot90Er3TuNBopzuN51rbzYDUlOhkEOkQS8I75OSIREMBfBxozETVXfJFThR1NevO8MhacIZfciuZStaksV9maCFxe2zq99eDrjdRpnWHUmL.OmRJiB35vFQc0No5elZJ2GF4nXX5RWqN81QHA5FG63JjdTgNGtA.9c8kB1py6YpdAQcsTiuGJWy2ikNHDYFe1FlBvwSRs0FRJy53bOUQGFOTZ2PSf0kpVaC8YV2ds5qTgKw8fHauTCXEdJvC03S4W9V7Ugi7Q-- X-Received: from [138.89.185.31] by web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2009 05:46:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 05:46:12 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Gallagher Subject: SFGAdv TR..5/22.. Featuring BIZARRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=vmBqDHJTX7yPX5Y6FhQafTV2dT9VeiNWudq016YbVS8RaelpMOGI X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thursday=A0morning, as I'm getting ready to leave for work, my nephew, VJ..= .he's 24..pops into my apartment. Says is there any chance I might be off F= riday or could get off? He might be off and wanted to know if I'd wanna hit= SF GAdv. I decided to make up a story for work and request the day off as = an "emergency" vacation day. Figured I'd try to get it, and if VJ got off a= nd I got the day, great. If those two things didn't happen, well, I'm going= next Saturday anyway, actually with a client of mine from the job. Both di= d happen, happily.=20 I asked VJ to drive because I didn't want to put 130 miles or so on my car = as I head toward my June PA trip. My nephew's difficult to get out for an e= arly start, so by the time he got ready, we got gas, and I dropped off my e= lectric and cable bills and mailed a couple of checks,we didn't get to the = park until after the 10:30 rope drop. Since VJ had driven and bought gas, p= lus EZ PASS for the tolls...I paid for his admission..14.99 with my coupon = from the season pass coupon book.=20 =A0 I wasn't trying to speculate on what the crowds would be like. The buses we= re the first bad sign. The backup at the entrance gate was the next. VJ had= already established he didn't want to stay all day/night..the apple fell f= ar from the tree on this kid. We ended up riding only seven coasters, once = each, plus the sky ride.=20 =A0 First stop was Dark Knight. I've always said I would only ride it again if = I was with someone who hadn't and wanted to. VJ fit those criteria. I think= it's one of the worst coaster experiences I've ever had...awful special ef= fects, no forces, nothing to even put a smile on my face...VJ didn't think = it was as bad as I had made it out to be, but he didn't exactly rave about = it. For me, its only saving grace is the cool, air-conditioned inside queue= . The wait was only ten minutes inside, nothing outside. Sometimes opinions= change. Mine hasn't. No fun. We scoped out the lines for Nitro and Batman.= I haven't seen them that long in about 2-3 years. We ended up not riding e= ither of those, even later. The line never decreased.=20 =A0 We went on Skull Mountain because we were in the neighborhood. Ten minute w= ait. It ran well, but oddly, some of the lights were on, and that takes som= ething away from the ride.=20 =A0 Took the sky ride over toward The Coaster Formerly Known As Medusa. We chec= ked out the entryway, looks nice, cool signage at the archway. The line was= long, as we knew it would be, so we walked over to Toro via the wooden and= concrete walkway over the water. We saw that Toro's line was actually ONTO= that walkway..never saw that before in my 200 or so rides. We were realizi= ng it wasn't gonna be a heavy riding day. Walked back to TCFKAM. VJ and I h= ave little verbal movie and music games we play on line, and they helped. W= e ended up waiting just about an hour, and that includes about ten minutes = on line for the back seat while they put a third train into operation.=A0 I= 'm partly deaf as=A0a few of you may remember from previous posts, so the o= n-ride audio does nothing for me..it's just noise. VJ told me he enjoyed th= e combination of music, voices, and sound effects, so I guess some will. We= took the back seat, which didn't bother me.=A0=A0An equipment box splits the back row, with one outside seat on each side instead of the sta= ndard four. Some purists might cry "BLASPHEMY! and HERESY!," but since I li= ke the outside seat anyway, it was fine by me. It was also kinda nice nit t= o have to worry about hitting a seatmate with my arm..or vice versa. =A0The= fire effects are okay, and can definitely be felt. The little mist/spray o= n the first drop did nothing for me, but the later one is more effective an= d sprays you twice if you're lucky. Overall, I still love the coaster...a r= ose by any other name would smell as sweet, and the ride itself has not cha= nged. Still very forceful, even if I still think all it needed was a paint = job. Hey, can somebody settle an argument for me and VJ? In Bizarro's previ= ous life, was there a sign on the side of the station building reading MEDU= SA MINING COMPANY? If so, I musta missed it all those years. It's there now= , in fresh paint with an upside down horse attached to the wall (WTF?) A Medusa sign on Bizarro? Keeping with the "bizarre" theme, I guess= .=20 =A0 Rode=A0Great American Scream Machine=A0for old times' sake...VJ likes it, i= t was his first big coaster. I took him on it in the early 90's. Funny stor= y attached to that visit that I'd like to share with you all sometime. I sh= udder to think that was once my favorite coaster. Then again, so was Mean S= treak....eeeeewwww! =A0 After a quick ride on Runaway Train...no wait..we checked out Nitro and Bat= s again, but still too long. I called a=A0 friend while VJ went looking for= something to eat, then we rode Blackbeard's Lost Treasure Train. It was th= e first of my three visits this year it was running, and I like it.=20 =A0 VJ and I then decided that since Toro was the only ride we were willing to = wait for at that point, we went there. We entered the queue at the 1.5 hour= wait sign, but it turned out to be exactly an hour for the back seat, incl= uding ten minutes of unexplained down time. So I only got one ride, but it = was the best of the season. Monster air at all expected points. VJ's first = back seat ride, and he loved it.=20 =A0 Other random notes...=20 =A0 We pass this Asian fella in a yellow shirt working a game concession. He's = outside the stand, waving a big yellow Picachu Pokemon stuffed toy. VJ says= , "Is it wrong to say the guy and the prize look an awful lot alike?" I too= k a look, and damn if he wasn't right! We had a chuckle.=20 =A0 Best new way to gouge money from Six Flags patrons: The FAMILY DRYER! It's = located right across from the Log Flume exit. For 5 bucks, a family of up t= o four can step into this contraption and get dried off via what I imagine = are warm air jets. Personally, I thought the coolest thing was that the thi= ng looks just like the telepods from Cronenberg's The Fly. Help meeee...=20 =A0 Wore my "Pope On A Coaster" custom-made t-shirt. I always see fingers point= ing and double takes, but have received occasional direct compliments on it= . I got two today, including from crew member Phil at the entrance to Toro.= Then he asks me what's the best ride in the park. I pointed up at my boy a= nd said, "THIS is the best ride on the PLANET."...OK, OK, I haven't been on= every one, so don't jump on me...unless you reeealllly want to!=20 =A0 This last note is very important. Read carefully. VERY IMPORTANT. LONG JOHN= SILVERS IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS!!!=20 We had seen coming in that it was..even the sign said "YAY!"=A0 I knew it w= as coming from my visits to GA on Opening Day and Easter Sunday, but had no= idea when it would open. The outside sign was in place on those occasions. =A0 Needless to say, that was our post-GA meal. Anyone who knows me knows I'd r= arely if ever spend nine bucks for a fast food meal...but I'll do it there = (and at White Castle!) Only complaints...have to make a u-turn to get there= , no free refills or fresh brewed iced tea (as all I've encountered have) a= nd the hush puppies and fries left much to be desired. The first can't be c= hanged, the second probably won't be, and the third? Well, they're new and = still learning. But the lobster bites were out of this world, and the fish = was right out of the oil..best LJS fish I've ever had. It's about 150-200 y= ards from the park entrance right on Rt. 537.=20 =A0 Short day, got some sun, a few rides, a good meal, and no mileage on my car= . It was nice to spend some time with VJ, even if his cell kept ringing wit= h job issues. We were really close when he was growing up, and I miss that.= =20 =A0 Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend, everyone, and I hope you're ridin' the rai= ls!=20 =A0 Mike=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat May 23 08:25:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89578 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 15:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 15:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 15:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2009 15:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2009 15:24:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:24:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905211429m3775ff0dleda5d9ab39640481@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=S4hFgy4Swjkesx-5WREnPUfOcLQGPKRovZhqb6vuL4Pwu3gt67Pr X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: =20 > But my superviser just called and now I will be stuck in some > hospital from 5pm monday to 8am tuesday to help out a unit member. > lame. >=20 > -Mike Huh Huh Huh... you said "unit member" From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 23 09:12:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97683 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 16:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 16:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 16:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7tq5-000801-13 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:12:49 -0400 Message-ID: <4A182076.6030302@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:12:38 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d05aeeaaf1e2ef3c273b82aaa61463387f5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Dallas State Fair park hopes to become year round park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Uzgwhs2pj8yTkhsIAxPMM4HOdiikhX8fQOHIkSn1-34Bx7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/051909dnmetfairpark.172edd26.html In short, they're hoping to be able to open up the fair midway as a full time amusement park, operating year round and "competing" with Six Flags, though on a cheaper basis. Plans are for a permanent roller coaster and a large "space needle" observation tower, with more to come. Whether or not it will work out is another thing. I seem to recall them talking about this possibility back when we lived nearby around 13-14 years ago. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 23 09:14:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86705 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 16:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 16:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 16:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7trK-0001MZ-2A for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:14:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1820C4.2040708@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:13:56 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d05ecac95bbd7c749f3ecd54ffd63cd307b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Port Aventura worker killed by coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=HIdxk7R8SFsmt_zUr5BE2AgE9Tacz8oNS5WzsC66-NLK_hI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/16608/portaventura-worker-killed-by-runaway-roller-coaster PortAventura worker killed by runaway roller coaster By: thinkSpain , Monday, May 18, 2009 A 55-year-old employee at Portaventura died this morning after being run over by a roller coaster wagon at the amusement park in Salou, Tarragona. The accident happened at 7am whilst the man, Diego S.B., was carrying out routine maintenance work on one of the attractions in the Far West area of the park. The emergency services were called immediately and the victim was taken to the park's medical centre, but despite efforts to revive him, he died shortly afterwards. Agents from the Catalan police force, the Mossos d'Esquadra, are investigating the incident but have so far failed to provide any explanation for the accident. A PortAventura spokesperson said that they 'deeply regretted' the man's death but reassured the press and the public that the accident was 'not the result of faulty equipment'. The area of the amusement park where the accident happened has been cordoned off and closed to the public while investigations are carried out. -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 23 09:41:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46841 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 16:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 16:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 16:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7uHo-0000tu-KF for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:41:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4A18272F.6010306@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:41:19 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d05087783cdc246d0098d962bd5c719dcd2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Goldman Sachs buys Universal Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=L2VeuP1rd-KhzTjmuBkLKMbnbfBGxMaMV3wBupmEUYrJZjI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I've no clue how this will affect the park, but it sounds like it could be interesting... http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/05/22/ap6456581.html An investment fund unit of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said Friday it will take over the Universal Studios Japan theme park for about 108.7 billion yen ($1.2 billion) after completing a tender offer. SG Investments will buy 2.19 million shares, or 98.48 percent, in USJ Co., the park's operator, the fund said. Article Controls The park opened in 2001 in the western city of Osaka, Japan's second-biggest urban area after Tokyo, with rides and entertainment based on Hollywood movies including "Jurassic Park" and "Jaws." (more at link above) -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sat May 23 12:13:49 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59976 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 19:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 19:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 19:13:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1243106021; bh=C99C3BTWnVaoAdomB7zHgrgb37vkNmpzYLgPmrqbv/U=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Message-ID:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=OiO8JnHfjdeSf4CvdcmAg5oQGvoJ3TgOb76A5nIfetKWxDRU1AIQlqiTjgndpqRNvCDA70PtnmKh15Xht7zMfdeXrkiicxnIUuTQ/ZTz+9vODR2JBnlDCtsM3ZzXqr2X Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2009 19:13:41 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2009 19:13:41 -0000 X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1342 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 15:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 15:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f126.google.com) (209.85.221.126) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 15:04:22 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f126.google.com with SMTP id 32so2577396qyk.0 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 08:04:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.73.209 with SMTP id r17mr4111520vcj.46.1243004658553; Fri, 22 May 2009 08:04:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6653370ywc.41.2009.05.22.08.04.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 May 2009 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4a16bef1.0603c00a.68a1.013b@mx.google.com> To: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:04:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905211429m3775ff0dleda5d9ab39640481@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcnaW3QC+Txi7xvIQwWDEtDzlBXIxgY7V6cg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: More random house and coastering updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=JM7S0aahgcONjUJ4UJb3tLofXXhnHwrl4hXlZabAVi9hETo X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 23 May 2009 19:13:41 -0000 "Congrats on the house and the wedding." Thanks, the same to you, and to Jeremy for the kiddo...I hope he argues as much as you :). "Itsfunny, I got engaged last march as well....and my house is full of problems caused by the last owner doing a half assed job on electric, finishing, sealing, installing windows. Dude was like 1/2 way through fixing up the place and said screw it and threw the rest of it together as quick and cheap as possible. I mean, really, wo hot glues an institutiontional type carpet to the kitchen floor? Getting that thing up was a week of work." I know the feeling. My genius did something really nicely, then realized "oh shit, I have no money" and left exposed electrical wiring hidden, a roof that leaked the day we moved in, and other items. The nice thing is that 18 months after we moved in we finally wrapped up all but one of the problems and the place is presentable. It is amazing how much more you like your house when there are no holes in the stairwell ceiling. More generally, for anyone interested, this year I have hit Lake Compounce (when it was not open) and MOA for work. The only other probable trip in the immediate future is to Germany to show clients the Tripsdrill wooden coaster and possibly either the Hansa Park Launched Euro-Fighter or the Plopsaland Launch Coaster. For fun, I will probably hit up Knoebels and Hershey (the latter possibly with a client) sometime this year. Also, our honeymoon is in Japan, and I think I finagled Tomoko into a day at Disney Sea and a little time at LaQua for the coasters and the wheel. While the ride sales front is a bit quiet until 11, we recently started working with Velocity Magnetics (http://www.velocitymagnetics.com/) through our rehab/retrofit company Entertainment Management Group (www.entertainmentmanagementgroup.com) . They are one of two magnetic brake manufacturers, Intrasys being the other. We are doing all of their retrofits and they are getting a lot of interest as parks invest a few hundred thousand for brake systems that require no maintenance or spare part expense. What I think (hope) will be a big seller is a retrofit package for Vekoma Boomers. It essentially removes all but one of the bladder (pinch) brakes in the station with low profile actuators, and reduces the amount of man-hours and the expense of changing brake brass dramatically. Ok, back to work, Adam From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 23 13:55:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66714 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 20:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 20:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 20:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7yFD-0002Ac-LN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 May 2009 16:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1862A2.10008@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:54:58 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d05986403d56c009314e74f493110656922350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: TR: Manta Media Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=7myvj2IVjE4BtOrxtAmXzVcvSAdyjbdf8mJvzolBLx6k8Uo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Finally getting to sit down and write this out. :) Pictures can be found: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/8304504_FQUej My kids and I were invited out to Sea World as part of the FLCC to participate in the media days for Manta. They did two days- Weds and Thurs, and we were fortunate to be able to be at both. Our role was to be the smiling faces riding the coaster while reporters from magazines, tv, radio, internet sites, bloggers, and more all rode the coaster, wrote and reported about it, and gave Sea World a bunch of publicity. We arrived early both mornings. The first morning it was fairly obvious that they were quite ready to go. It had been pouring rain the last few days off and on, but the weather opened up both days in the mornings for us and the rain held off til noon. But either the rain or lack of organization meant they had no signs out directing people to parking, security and other employees didn't know where we were to go, and they postponed the start times by an hour each morning. The first day they didn't let us know til we were arriving, but the second day they at least got a little notice out to some people the night before. When they did finally let us in (at 7:30am the first day and 6:30am the second) we all received free Manta shirts to wear (you'll see those in the pictures) and headed off to load up. Smiling faces for the cameras, and ready for interviews (just in case- I never had one) we were allowed onto the coaster in one side of the station where they had cameras and monitors set up. Manta has a dual station- essentially two stations side by side. The one side was reserved for the media days, the other side they opened up to the general public when the park opened. With one train for each side, it worked ok, but the GP had a 90 minute wait at least each day. I don't know if they have a third and/or fourth train around, but honestly in all the riding I didn't even notice the transfer track. I know it's on the final brake run before the station, but because of the riding position, I didn't really get as good a look at it. Speaking of riding position, this was possibly the most comfortable flyer I've been on yet. I've been on Superman at SFoG and 2 of the Vekomas. This was much more comfortable than the others. No pain, no uncomfortable pinching or squishing, nothing pushing your head forward awkwardly. Very soft, very nice. I wouldn't want to hand like that for a long time, but it's much much better than the others. The ride itself is great! The landscaping is wonderful, and fits in incredibly well to the park. They did a wonderful job with theming, and the aquariums they built into the queue are stunningly gorgeous. The ride is smooth, very very quiet, and in just a blast to ride. It's got 3 rollovers and the pretzel loop. Those more experienced said that it's a smaller pretzel than the supermans and Tatsu, and that Tatsu is more intense. But in the back it's pretty stinking intense. And with the rollovers, the dive by the water, it feels like non-stop action. In the words of Chris, "Sea World has a major winner here." Sea World and the Busch parks have a standard policy where you are supposed to take 2 rides then sit out for at least one round. It's designed to rest you up a bit, and give the other people a chance to ride. Usually people good-naturedly complain a bit about it, but there were no complaints about it this time. I've never seen so many coaster enthusiasts feeling queasy, and this may be the one drawback to the coaster. And there were at least a couple that I know that actually got physically sick. People were fine for 2 rides, and usually 3. But many were getting affected by the 4th. We quickly learned to pace ourselves, and a couple of us that did both days were warning people on the second day. Not everyone was affected by it. My son put in about 40 rides between the 2 days, and there were a couple of guys that had 50 when we left on Thursday. But I was very pleased with managing to handle 9 rides on Thursday without pushing to hard after a measly 5 on Weds. I did the first 4 just to quick and it took me 90-120 minutes before I felt safe riding again. And even then one ride was enough to start pushing it again. The only other complaint I had was with the food they served- and it wasn't the food itself. They were very generous in offering all of us, and the media, free sodas, orange juice, water, chips, granola bars, fruit, pretzels, mini-muffins, pastries, nuts, and some other food. But the tent with it was no where near the coaster. We had to leave the coaster area entirely, walk backstage, and then all the way across a lot backstage to get to the tent where the food was. And this wasn't known until well into the riding session on Weds, when hunger was surely adding to the stomach woes. It seemed like no one knew where it was until a handful of us determined to find it so we didn't drop out sick on them. And that ended up pulling us away from the ride, which they didn't like. For those wondering what the big deal is, traditionally the snacks and drinks are put in one of the exit areas of the ride or just outside of it so they're easy to get to and easy to find. But that's really a minor complaint overall. All in all it was a great day. We had a lot of fun, and Manta is an incredible coaster. It's absolutely worth a visit if you're in the area. Thanks for the long read. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 23 14:02:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84733 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 21:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 21:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 21:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7yLu-0003ic-7y for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:01:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4A186440.5030907@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:01:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d05a6ccb295d8053bf1f6f18687edf66790350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] eating while riding X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=NRHMEuCKMy8n_jYfCtn6KQYbZz6jXN7SjkSoqoCo9C00Bcs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike Gallagher wrote: > > > > > > >... > > > So tomorrow we'll be smarter. Eat a bit more in the morning to start > > > off with something in the stomach ... > > > I have to do it the other way...no food at all. I can skip breakfast > and then ride spinning rides before lunch. Once I've eaten, I'm much > more susceptible to queasiness/nausea > This is always an interesting topic, because there's a lot of different > ways people do it. Personally, I eat breakfast, either at a buffet or > McD's, Burger King, Friendly's, Bob Evans, whatever's around. I go the > whole day at a park without eating, save maybe a pretzel. Then I hit a > fast food joint after leaving the park...fortunately, they stay open late. > I've got to eat and have food when I'm riding. But then I can get a major migraine and get sick from not eating for a long time regardless of whether I'm at a park or not. The issue that we ran into at Manta was that people not only hadn't eaten, they hadn't eaten since the night before and their stomachs were beyond empty. That's not good for riding either. I've always felt it better to eat a good meal, then let the food settle. For my wife, that means an hour or so. I guess some might need a bit more time. I can ride immediately after eating most of the time and I'm fine. So can my son. I just can't imagine not eating anything for hours at a time and not being sick. At least for me, that would have the opposite effect. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 23 14:04:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11016 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 21:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 21:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 21:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7yO3-0007Dg-Ls for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:04:11 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1864C6.7040302@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:04:06 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d054ef79d13ba7eedaace376358637426bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] My Trip Plans For June X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=WshhTlp6gGGEl_oQuV9hx_XQTDAEwA_AJzLHQ5xd7voKQNI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike Gallagher wrote: > I'm leaving on June 19th for a trip through the parks of Pennsylvania. > I'm gonna let you guys know my itinerary. If you can provide me any > suggestions, recommendations, and tips, I'd appreciate that. > > June 20 and 21 ...Waldameer..1st visit > June 22..Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Cleveland > June 23-24..Kennywood > June 25..Idlewild..first visit...on to Altoona > June 26..Lakemont, Delgrosso's..first visits to both..and a night game > with the Altoona curve > > June 27 and 28 are open, but will hopefully involve getting together > with a friend and hitting Knoebels and/or Dorney I don't have any advice, since the only one of those I've been to was Lakemont, and that was the day after PPP at Knoebel's one year. But just had to say I'm jealous. I'd love to have an opportunity to get to some of those places. I'm surprised that someone hasn't chimed in with some tips for you yet. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 23 14:06:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48134 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 21:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 21:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 21:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M7yQ7-0005xE-NE for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4A186546.9030704@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:06:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <968914.18642.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <968914.18642.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d05d614375f9cee44f94263b99a8764d632350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=BOWA7suP0wqY8kAv81__i2xLd4Jefj_EhshCxA6XrUZp7ts X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Kimberly wrote: Yes, I have facebook as well. Don't use it much, but I do have one. > Haven't done much with it..no pics or anything.....included the link > below. Thanks for asking. > Kim > > check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! > www.myspace.com/kim221998 > www.facebook.com/kim221998 hey Kim, Tried to find you on Facebook since it's the one I also use the most, but without a full name it's hard. The numbers in your name came back with an error for me on Facebook. Maybe if you sent the request to me instead? I'm easy enough to find. I think I'm the only George Burnash on there. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From kim221998@yahoo.com Sat May 23 14:57:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kim221998@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60554 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 21:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 21:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.133) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 21:57:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36666 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2009 21:56:55 -0000 Message-ID: <867180.36647.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: o24iy8EVM1l4Pf7Lw98G1SB.XEsg6ORrWNI134w7PCPiOT6DZg3ODtWrLoK25LWK6R5rz9LlCXJ2GOYMsFo4Pilp9PQaS4Lc.SL7GF4JkTVw8rTh7TKSpgOm7r2KXxFCbKClJqT_YQakA24GpL.dH9GLAEC2hyRiYfNNdIIW_ZnD4hN.e8i5pKtzF4TA_ApqgiWfZF3dCkrAmZshuhBwKTfp7bg3iv7RkeAi0CgeL4kdX9d4RpAiuUFuILpMYrkc1kAk4Gh8R19sx_woXOQ8viHC_q5oq4RO3N_nm_OKmnIMM9w0nhZXYN8YMfBDG9x2RyIgVuUsZfb3u2ziNb5ZkLwab4kl0UBN X-Received: from [98.183.6.173] by web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2009 14:56:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kimberly Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121539762; y=-5pCOqbRFWWXYOgXA7NkiNnudqGDe9rEe0YrfLAV16Cd2etx X-Yahoo-Profile: kim221998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok George, I found ya and sent ya a request. I don't use it alot though. I'= m more for myspace and twitter...but I pop onto facebook from time to time. Kim Find me online! www.myspace.com/kim221998=A0 www.twitter.com/kim221998 =A0 --- On Sat, 5/23/09, george burnash wrote: From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 5:06 PM Kimberly wrote: Yes, I have facebook as well. Don't use it much, but I do have one. > Haven't done much with it..no pics or anything.....included the link=20 > below. Thanks for asking. > Kim >=20 > check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! > www.myspace.com/kim221998=20 > www.facebook.com/kim221998 hey Kim, Tried to find you on Facebook since it's the one I also use the most,=20 but without a full name it's hard.=A0 The numbers in your name came back=20 with an error for me on Facebook.=A0 Maybe if you sent the request to me=20 instead?=A0 I'm easy enough to find.=A0 I think I'm the only George Burnash= =20 on there. keep on ridin' George --=20 ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. ------------------------------------ Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterT= alk bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that!=A0 Spread the word ab= out Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun May 24 20:38:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72807 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 03:38:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2009 03:38:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 03:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2009 03:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2009 03:38:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 03:38:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <105046.61160.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: So is there anything you find worth of discussing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=nUO16G_rINdY9sqRe4_x5KysPk48RPw7kYWiCE0msglOmZYGpjlO X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme w= rote: > > As far as new parks and new rides go, there's currently only one new park= on our list for this summer: Martin's Fantasy Island. =A0We're going to CP= to visit our daughter. =A0We figured we'd take our time and stop at Martin= 's for a day or two, and maybe see Niagara Falls again. =A0Heck, we might a= s well slip over to Marineland as well. > We'll have a few days at CP and then head back and possible stop by Seabr= eeze and/or Waldameer.=20 I really liked the Silver Comet at MFi when we rode it 6 yrs ago. It could= have aged badly though, as most steel structured woodies seem to do, but I= don't know. Marineland was interesting. I really enjoyed Dragon Mountain= and it's worth the trip for that. Other than that, the park felt a little= incomplete. Also 6 yrs ago. (same trip) Have never been to Seabreeze, but Ravine Flyer II is pretty darn awesome! = In fact, we love Waldameer and usually go there once a year. It's just a r= eally nice example of a smaller, family style park. If you make it into th= e water park, which is also fun, make sure you ride the center slide of the= "Bermuda Triangle" complex. It's just a shotr little enclosed slide that = goes straight down, but has the most amazing airtime of any water slide eve= r.=20=20 Razzle dazzle bitches, -Brian F. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon May 25 18:08:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84879 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 01:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2009 01:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 01:08:46 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so1836695yxh.28 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:07:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.88.17 with SMTP id l17mr4512973agb.80.1243300065832; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:07:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <867180.36647.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <867180.36647.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:07:45 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905251807q6c38fc36h27de406a6afeb4f1@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=v0KhrgVEiK_cMSsASgHeb-Z_xTLp-eGYrwddKx3DfHX3GV8Yvw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny You'll eventually get tired of the junk on MySpace and move on to Facebook. It's tough to do at first, but I'm much happier now that I've (mostly) moved on. :) On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Kimberly wrote: > > > Ok George, I found ya and sent ya a request. I don't use it alot though. = I'm > more for myspace and twitter...but I pop onto facebook from time to time. > Kim > > Find me online! > www.myspace.com/kim221998 > www.twitter.com/kim221998 > > > --- On Sat, 5/23/09, george burnash wrote: > > From: george burnash > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New Member > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 5:06 PM > > Kimberly wrote: > Yes, I have facebook as well. Don't use it much, but I do have one. >> Haven't done much with it..no pics or anything.....included the link >> below. Thanks for asking. >> Kim >> >> check out my myspace!! I love to connect with people! >> www.myspace.com/kim221998 >> www.facebook.com/kim221998 > > hey Kim, > > Tried to find you on Facebook since it's the one I also use the most, > but without a full name it's hard.=A0 The numbers in your name came back > with an error for me on Facebook.=A0 Maybe if you sent the request to me > instead?=A0 I'm easy enough to find.=A0 I think I'm the only George Burna= sh > on there. > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that!=A0 Spread the word = about > Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=1CyHZIJZ7egbDHOKDlFU1243317016-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon May 25 22:51:33 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47256 invoked by uid 7800); 26 May 2009 05:51:29 -0000 Date: 26 May 2009 05:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1243317089.11.47252.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=19PMn2Tiat9wjQMNTw9aBwytAmqwJCF1243317016-1" --YCalReminder=19PMn2Tiat9wjQMNTw9aBwytAmqwJCF1243317016-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Jantzen Beach Amusement Park opened Tuesday May 26, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Portland, Oregon Notes: On this date in 1928, Jantzen Beach Amusement Park opened it's gates in Portland, Oregon. It would closed in 1969. The park is now the site of the Jantzen Beach Shopping Center. The park's CW Parker Carousel, built in 1921 now operates in the food court of the shopping center. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=19PMn2Tiat9wjQMNTw9aBwytAmqwJCF1243317016-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=1KDvTCFy5VZnB3fZXFU1243317016-1-- From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue May 26 05:03:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19698 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 12:03:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2009 12:03:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 12:03:43 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M8vNL-00072S-D6 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:03:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1BDA83.9060907@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:03:15 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d0583b22df5a1a0816c75dde72a3cb80ac3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Manta Video- Staring Chris! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=GWulePYYKkfOJvjvBf26Z8XSFL2gzQwDFudzZUP2B26Cr6M X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Was looking around at some of the media out there and our own Chris managed to get a front row camera ride with the reporter from the Orlando Sentinal. You can find the video, including onride footage, down the page on the right side a bit: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_orlando/2009/05/seaworld-onboard-video-manta-roller-coaster.html There was also a video clip there for Star Wars Weekends, which we're hoping to make it out to next weekend. Enjoy. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Tue May 26 11:56:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39726 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 18:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2009 18:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 18:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2009 18:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2009 18:55:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:55:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <711475.1580.qm@web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.135 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: SFGAdv TR..5/22.. Featuring BIZARRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=celTidGCi6i6mnBEyDsJn0nRqtsExe4vZTeTtcYQOe38ZV_xgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Yes, that was always there. The original theme had a strange backstory invo= lving a mix of Greek mythology and a haunted 19th century mine. Jon Z --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Gallagher wrote: >=20 > Hey, can somebody settle an argument for me and VJ? In Bizarro's previous= life, was there a sign on the side of the station building reading MEDUSA = MINING COMPANY?=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue May 26 12:06:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91623 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 19:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2009 19:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 19:06:08 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so2007807ywk.4 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:05:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.197 with SMTP id u5mr1904707ibu.3.1243364708163; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:05:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <711475.1580.qm@web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:05:08 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905261205h7b4570c1i6dedce67dbf80f65@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFGAdv TR..5/22.. Featuring BIZARRO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=hniu9EEJOq6EAIw1V0Bin4CLtsk1xCExTe8INkxw0afpOUg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska And what a convoluted story that was. First they decided on medusa, then the scrambled and half assed it into the west. Solid ride though, I hope the transformatio is enjoyable. On 5/26/09, zucker0615 wrote: > Yes, that was always there. The original theme had a strange backstory > involving a mix of Greek mythology and a haunted 19th century mine. > > Jon Z > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Gallagher > wrote: >> >> Hey, can somebody settle an argument for me and VJ? In Bizarro's previous >> life, was there a sign on the side of the station building reading MEDUSA >> MINING COMPANY? > > From eddoiii@yahoo.com Tue May 26 12:06:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: eddoiii@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52402 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 19:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2009 19:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 19:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2009 19:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2009 19:06:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:06:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.16.64.46 From: "Ed" Subject: SFNE Bizzaro X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160925110; y=29_-TTFVutxl0K97quMokjh_rApuFzJvFioRC-gGN9Fzow X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterrider69 My son works there and on Saturday the monitors in the que went dead follow= ed by the sound system on Monday let's see how long it takes to fix the new= addons.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue May 26 22:51:31 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70747 invoked by uid 7800); 27 May 2009 05:51:24 -0000 Date: 27 May 2009 05:51:24 -0000 Message-ID: <1243403484.523.70724.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=LRjxC5VzXbsWTtEbYZxVJWGE1243403459-1" --YCalReminder=LRjxC5VzXbsWTtEbYZxVJWGE1243403459-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Elitch Gardens re-opened Wednesday May 27, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Denver, Colorado Notes: On this date in 1995, Elitch Gardens opened at it's new downtown location. The it was renamed to Six Flags Elitch Gardens in 1999; then back to Elitch Gardens in 2007. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=LRjxC5VzXbsWTtEbYZxVJWGE1243403459-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=LRjxC5VzXbsWTtEbYZxVJWGE1243403459-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue May 26 22:51:49 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50412 invoked by uid 7800); 27 May 2009 05:51:46 -0000 Date: 27 May 2009 05:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <1243403506.512.50391.m3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=mdN8Fa9cxHgtyCXHqzsNG5GbkhfGdDW1243403460-1" --YCalReminder=mdN8Fa9cxHgtyCXHqzsNG5GbkhfGdDW1243403460-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Pleasure Island Family Theme Park opened Wednesday May 27, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Cleethorpes, Lincolnshire, UK Notes: On this date in 1993, Pleasure Island Family Theme Park opened its gates in Cleethorpes, Lincolnshire, UK. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=mdN8Fa9cxHgtyCXHqzsNG5GbkhfGdDW1243403460-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=mdN8Fa9cxHgtyCXHqzsNG5GbkhfGdDW1243403460-1-- From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 27 14:54:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47940 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 21:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2009 21:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f110.google.com) (209.85.221.110) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2009 21:54:47 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so10110749qyk.5 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:53:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr879010vcj.56.1243461227189; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:53:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8d240fd50905221320u39d0da5au61110939e57d4b72@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d240fd50905221320u39d0da5au61110939e57d4b72@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=gUp_7G26XpUKchwQeZWWuU2Qu2JFk7VSPg8R3hUYmLtS_aDF8kpzQj4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I sure as hell thought it was an odd choice... and still do to a point. > Metal Monster... wood coaster. Hmmm... still strikes me as odd. Well, the Incredible Hulk certainly isn't made of metal, but the ride is. :) In all seriousness, I don't see the connection. It's not like you're riding the robot. That argument makes even less sense if you've seen the preshow/know the story behind the ride. Dueling Dragons is all mideval-themed, so by that argument wood would have made more sense? I think Six flags did a great job. > I've got to wonder if Scream will be changed into Bizarro next. > Couldn't hurt... and a good way to fix their parking lot coaster. Agreed. That ride could use some work (and a theme!). > Fun Fact - Does anyone remember that the original Terminator attraction for > Universal was a Terminator themed coaster? > How odd... what a coincidence. Actually, I don't know that I've ever heard taht. Was it just a rumor, or were there more solid plans than that? -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 27 15:30:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54103 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 22:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2009 22:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.217.170) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2009 22:30:01 -0000 X-Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so8399111gxk.11 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:29:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.118.19 with SMTP id q19mr398067agc.35.1243463341487; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:29:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8d240fd50905221320u39d0da5au61110939e57d4b72@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905271529y251615c3sd15e48274990c193@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=mxrGzPf8UIdmhn_h1pfwWqa1O4K8ow4TTsq_W3fDYozf2nmfIw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I think we could go on, and on with a list of rides whose names make even less sense. In fact, I think I shall. Raptor isn't made out of birds. Mantis isn't made out of bugs. You can't open a bottle of wine with a coaster named "corkscrew". The Woody Woodpecker coaster at Universal is made out of steel. Gwazi is made from neither lions, nor tigers. Lightning Racer does not, in fact, race on lightning, nor does it achieve speeds anywhere close to that of an electrostatic discharge. Ghostrider is 100% real, not a ghost, nor does it feature Nicholas Cage with a flaming head, riding a motorcycle. Silver Bullet is ORANGE. There's probably a bazillion others. I say we keep the list going. Josh On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Nate Kohlrusch w= rote: > > >> I sure as hell thought it was an odd choice... and still do to a point. >> Metal Monster... wood coaster. Hmmm... still strikes me as odd. > > Well, the Incredible Hulk certainly isn't made of metal, but the ride is.= :) > > In all seriousness, I don't see the connection. It's not like you're > riding the robot. That argument makes even less sense if you've seen > the preshow/know the story behind the ride. Dueling Dragons is all > mideval-themed, so by that argument wood would have made more sense? > I think Six flags did a great job. > >> I've got to wonder if Scream will be changed into Bizarro next. >> Couldn't hurt... and a good way to fix their parking lot coaster. > > Agreed. That ride could use some work (and a theme!). > >> Fun Fact - Does anyone remember that the original Terminator attraction >> for >> Universal was a Terminator themed coaster? >> How odd... what a coincidence. > > Actually, I don't know that I've ever heard taht. Was it just a > rumor, or were there more solid plans than that? > > -Nate > >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 27 15:54:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85727 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 22:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2009 22:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f229.google.com) (209.85.217.229) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2009 22:54:23 -0000 X-Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so13781448gxk.7 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:53:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905271529y251615c3sd15e48274990c193@mail.gmail.com> X-Received: by 10.231.40.8 with SMTP id i8mr43873ibe.23.1243464802758; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002215048e0fdbf435046aecb55e@google.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:53:22 +0000 To: coastertalk X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: natekohlrusch@gmail.com Subject: Re: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=rSbFCvAwqSC__3ehhcrCiq08fEb8CLoeDkQAsinJ20JjCdM2B3XcnVk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think we could go on, and on with a list of rides whose names make > even less sense. > Silver Bullet is ORANGE. > There's probably a bazillion others. I say we keep the list going. If we're going to go on, this is my favorite example: http://rcdb.com/ig1533.htm?picture=7 (compare the picture to the ride's name) :) -Nate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed May 27 16:51:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58756 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 23:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2009 23:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2009 23:51:04 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2932265yxb.87 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:50:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.66.14 with SMTP id o14mr433389aga.94.1243468204006; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:50:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002215048e0fdbf435046aecb55e@google.com> References: <76e1ec0a0905271529y251615c3sd15e48274990c193@mail.gmail.com> <002215048e0fdbf435046aecb55e@google.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:50:03 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0905271650m4ebfdd07t445d0e7205534295@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=wWQGpAJIDZkhFnC0tbMCk5NFgBKn6F5-jZl_SdPqvGy1DFeT2A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny HAHAHA! That's the most amazing thing I've ever seen. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:53 PM, wrote: > > >> I think we could go on, and on with a list of rides whose names make >> even less sense. > >> Silver Bullet is ORANGE. >> There's probably a bazillion others. I say we keep the list going. > > If we're going to go on, this is my favorite example: > http://rcdb.com/ig1533.htm?picture=3D7 > (compare the picture to the ride's name) :) > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed May 27 18:16:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64754 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 01:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2009 01:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 01:16:24 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2797319yxg.73 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:15:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.15.193 with SMTP id l1mr397533iba.37.1243473342409; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:15:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0905271529y251615c3sd15e48274990c193@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d240fd50905221320u39d0da5au61110939e57d4b72@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0905271529y251615c3sd15e48274990c193@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:15:42 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905271815udecc996qc9a6ce0931e065a6@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=wugGJiYHKyoNIfK0ju9fZ_UtrI6mm_4dtnTrkF_E41UQqLc X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Josh, I totally get where you are going with this, but most of the rides on your list are obvious. Raptor is green like the dinosaurs were. The track layout is in the design of what scientists belived to be raptor tracks which were found in the banks of a river, which is now Dinosaur State Park. Obviously the third dimension was added in, but the 2d overhead veiw of the footprints is the same as when you fly over CP on a helicopter. And if given a chance, a praying mantis will totally smash your balls. -mike On 5/27/09, Josh W wrote: > I think we could go on, and on with a list of rides whose names make > even less sense. > > In fact, I think I shall. > > Raptor isn't made out of birds. > Mantis isn't made out of bugs. > You can't open a bottle of wine with a coaster named "corkscrew". > The Woody Woodpecker coaster at Universal is made out of steel. > Gwazi is made from neither lions, nor tigers. > Lightning Racer does not, in fact, race on lightning, nor does it > achieve speeds anywhere close to that of an electrostatic discharge. > Ghostrider is 100% real, not a ghost, nor does it feature Nicholas > Cage with a flaming head, riding a motorcycle. > Silver Bullet is ORANGE. > > There's probably a bazillion others. I say we keep the list going. > > Josh > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Nate Kohlrusch > wrote: >> >> >>> I sure as hell thought it was an odd choice... and still do to a point. >>> Metal Monster... wood coaster. Hmmm... still strikes me as odd. >> >> Well, the Incredible Hulk certainly isn't made of metal, but the ride is. >> :) >> >> In all seriousness, I don't see the connection. It's not like you're >> riding the robot. That argument makes even less sense if you've seen >> the preshow/know the story behind the ride. Dueling Dragons is all >> mideval-themed, so by that argument wood would have made more sense? >> I think Six flags did a great job. >> >>> I've got to wonder if Scream will be changed into Bizarro next. >>> Couldn't hurt... and a good way to fix their parking lot coaster. >> >> Agreed. That ride could use some work (and a theme!). >> >>> Fun Fact - Does anyone remember that the original Terminator attraction >>> for >>> Universal was a Terminator themed coaster? >>> How odd... what a coincidence. >> >> Actually, I don't know that I've ever heard taht. Was it just a >> rumor, or were there more solid plans than that? >> >> -Nate >> >> > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed May 27 19:35:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96195 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 02:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2009 02:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.132.191) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 02:35:32 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c25so2895649anc.33 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905271815udecc996qc9a6ce0931e065a6@mail.gmail.com> X-Received: by 10.231.13.65 with SMTP id b1mr62764iba.16.1243478072787; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000325575562d0876c046aefcc06@google.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 02:34:32 +0000 To: coastertalk X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: natekohlrusch@gmail.com Subject: Re: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=yny1li3uTs7UMdKgWKqd5vUqYhWP9POdMd5bz9PICG7FqKkCr382il8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Raptor is green like the dinosaurs were. Raptor is "themed" to a bird, not a dinosaur. > The track layout is in the design of what scientists belived to > be raptor tracks which were found in the banks of a river, which is > now Dinosaur State Park. Where did you read that? Again, Raptor is themed to a bird, not a dinosaur. 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--YCalReminder=8MNLo5oJnpPUvCO1QVlALP1243489807-1-- From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu May 28 04:16:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88964 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 11:16:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2009 11:16:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 11:16:28 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2471697yxn.32 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:15:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.197 with SMTP id u5mr529767ibu.9.1243509328504; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:15:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000325575562d0876c046aefcc06@google.com> References: <6ab4641f0905271815udecc996qc9a6ce0931e065a6@mail.gmail.com> <000325575562d0876c046aefcc06@google.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905280415o622d23b2q8be421028cc5bd23@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Agm7Ygtl0VpXnGEDp0GC-4qdBe6C8C6T7GDR4nTpF6XBSW8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I made it all up and I thought that was fairly obvious. On 5/27/09, natekohlrusch@gmail.com wrote: >> Raptor is green like the dinosaurs were. > > Raptor is "themed" to a bird, not a dinosaur. > >> The track layout is in the design of what scientists belived to >> be raptor tracks which were found in the banks of a river, which is >> now Dinosaur State Park. > > Where did you read that? Again, Raptor is themed to a bird, not a dinosaur. > Additionally, Velociraptors did not live in what is now the United States. > > -Nate > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu May 28 06:44:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26002 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 13:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2009 13:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f105.google.com) (209.85.221.105) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 13:44:00 -0000 X-Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so7291010qyk.24 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr1277111vcj.56.1243518180279; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905280415o622d23b2q8be421028cc5bd23@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0905271815udecc996qc9a6ce0931e065a6@mail.gmail.com> <000325575562d0876c046aefcc06@google.com> <6ab4641f0905280415o622d23b2q8be421028cc5bd23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:43:00 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=mdNd2zm6veCKqGZsSiGBt1iALH4P6UIDgZ6eNaN8T-sXz_oAUJA9Bdo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I made it all up and I thought that was fairly obvious. I guess I'm just slow today. (Or last night, as was the case.) Clearly I'm getting too old for these multi-park roller coaster trips, because I've been exhausted since we got back on Tuesday. :) -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu May 28 16:12:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70622 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 23:12:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2009 23:12:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f136.google.com) (209.85.221.136) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 23:12:14 -0000 X-Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42so8054606qyk.7 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.1 with SMTP id r1mr713980ibr.23.1243552323528; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:12:03 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Cal_u6TB31s5yxcc2elKxX5-DHbNolbjcj9i3-501JrlBwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Erin and I made it out to Quassy on Monday. We bought a stove from the Home Depot in Waterbury, CT and while getting into the car I asked if she would want to go. Our original plans for the day were to go to the new CT Science Center, or Dinosaur State Park, but the science center doesn't open until next week and Dinosaur State Park is closed on Mondays. I had wanted to take a quick run to SFNE since it's in the same area as both of those attractions; but after buying groceries, the stove, and all of the various other things you quickly find out you need after moving in to a new house I didn't really feel like driving an hour to ride a coaster that I'm already anticipating giving me a headache. I'll make it there soon enough, but today wasn't right. Our new house is about 20 minutes from the park in Naugatuck, and with the relaxing long holiday weekend, the beautiful weather, and no entry fee, it seemed like a natural choice. She agreed without hesitation, and we started down the windy tree lined street to Lake Quassapaug. This is not going to read like a typical trip report, but more like a story. Just to warn you, this report makes no effort at laying out what occurred in chronological order. This park has played a role in my life since I was very young, and I'm going to try to share with you the feelings this park brings about in me. I went to this park a lot growing up; I don't know how many times, and I don't remember when these visits occurred. But I do have the memories, and the emotions they provoke. Some of these emotions I do not even have memories to back up, but to me that does not make them any less real. Some of the more factual things I may be wrong on, but that's okay. Despite growing up about 30 minutes from the park, she had never been. The reason is the same for many families in CT - the park is seen as a dump, it's seen as an overgrown trashy carnival with less interesting rides than the one that will pop up on the church parking lot a few times per summer, but worst of all the park is seen as a death trap. There seemed to be a string of deaths at the park in the 90s. Although I can only remember one specific death, it felt like the park was constantly receiving bad publicity in the 90s and then it dropped off the map. My next visit following this string was around 03 or 04 when Josh came out for a long weekend of riding, and at that time most of the good, well run, antique flat rides had been removed. This past weekend was my first visit to the park since that trip 2ound 5 years ago. The mouse and kiddie coaster were still there, but now the only larger rides are the tilt-a-whirl, trabant, paratrooper, and an uncovered thunderbolt. The old Saturn ride which was always my favorite has been gone for years. I also noticed that the kiddie rides which used to be in front of the big arcade has been moved closer to the beach. The park had a small crowd. Not much in terms of lines or people riding, but enough to keep most of the rides cycling continuously. The employees weren't waiting on riders to fill up the seats, which is a nice change but not exactly cost effective. All employees we encountered during our 90 minutes or so at the park were very friendly, helpful, and patient. The ground was mostly clear of trash and the spots with grass or flowers seemed well kept. But since most of the park is free game for walkways, the more traveled upon were just dirt. Not a detraction from the park, but more a willingness to accept the general behaviors of patrons. There is a newer play/splash water area that looks very nice, and admission to that seemed to included with the beach - a smart business move. There are other water slides awkwardly located at the other end of the park, which were not there when I was young. The park overall looks rather nice. Upkeep and maintenance on the buildings has been good, and overall the park has lost some of its trashiness witnessed in that 03 visit. The rides (what little there are) could use face lifts, and replacing or at least repairing the blacktop would go far to improve the atmosphere, but it is not necessary right now. More important is adding more rides or activities. Erin and I stopped in at the restaurant for a drink, and the food looked sub par, but still above six flags quality. The prices were also too high for the park's main base, but still below six flags prices. Quassy is mainly visited by lower income families from Waterbury, and it would be nice to see the park take ownership of that fact and shift their food and drink prices accordingly. They would probably see a drop in how much any spending family spends, but an overall increase in the people that fall into that category. Pure speculation, of course. We ended up paying $4.50 for a small slushy. On the good side, they were selling yards of McSorleys for only $6.00...but being a new homeowner and light on funds, I made the wise decision to pass. There were a few other food stands scattered throughout the small park, including a kennywood/lake compounce style potato patch fry stand that looked good. We stopped in at the gift shop at some point, because you get 50% off with your parking ticket. I bought Erin a nice glass dolphin for only 2 dollars (originally 4 bucks, seemed like it would have no problem selling for 20 in another environment.) All of the items in the gift shop were priced reasonably, but most were sadly outdated. This year marks either the 101st or 102nd anniversary for the park, but you would have no idea from the gift shop. Everything in there is promoting the 95th anniversary back in 03. I guess they ordered way too much merch that year, which is understandable, but the lack of commemoration for the much more important 100th was disappointing. Aside from that, the gift shop was small but nice, and the prices were very reasonable. There did seem to be a decent amount of non-ride entertainment available at the park. Around 3:45 an announcement was made for a 4:00 magic and comedy show on the stage right near the kiddie coaster. The stage was visible from the outdoor patio of Le Ristorante De Quassy, so we sat down with our slushy to watch. Around 4:10 or 4:15 we got up and walked away because the show hadn't started. There was motion backstage, but we're impatient on things like that. We went over to the picture spots, where I pretended to be a gorilla, then Erin hugged a big cock and tamed a lion. We rode the mad mouse, or little monster depending on which sign you read. The pricing in the park is a solid 3 bucks per ride. There is also an X tickets for Y dollars discount, and a pop option. The beach and splash zone can be added on, or I think it was 10 bucks or so on its own. Aside from the beach there is no entry fee to the park, which is always nice. We bought 4 tickets and lined up for the little monster coaster. This coaster was the first non-kiddie coaster I ever rode. My grandma would bring me, my sister, and our 4 cousins here once per summer when I was very young. I'd guess it was around 87 through 92 or so, before the string of deaths/accidents which resulted in the removal of their best rides. I was probably about 4 or 5 when I first mustered up the courage to let my dad drag me on. The ride terrified me to the point where I thought I was going to die, and continued crying and trying to punch my dad for a while after disembarking. I was scared off coaster until I was maybe 9 or 10 when I fell in love with Riverside's Thunderbolt (now SFNE). I didn't give the monster another run until I was maybe 11 or 12. The ride continues to terrify me. The thin sheet metal looking structure feels flimsy, and seems to bend under the weight of a car. I didn't see anything this time, but when I went with Josh on my last trip there was a posted restriction that combined human weight was not to exceed 350 lbs (or was it 300, any idea?). Josh and I were somewhat over that limit, which added to the monster's terror, but Erin and I fit nicely under the restriction. The coaster is basically just a typical 50s wild mouse (Herschel?), very similar to the one at Lakemont. The main difference is that off the lift you do one switch back and hit a large drop all the way to the ground. This actually gives off some airtime, but there is only a seat belt (which was not there during my childhood) holding you in. After a turn there is a slight incline which requires its own small lift chain. Growing up there was a car stopped there more often than there were cars riding on the track. It probably used to be a block without that chain, adding it on was a good move. From this point on I think the ride follows the same layout as the Lakemont mouse. Switchbacks on the top, some shallow drops, a big banked turn, and then some tiny bunny hops into the breaks. The ride still runs, and it's not really rough or bumpy, but its not exactly pleasant. The 'gonna fall off the track' feeling that most wild meece are trying for is on this ride in spades. I would say it's almost too present. As in, I wouldn't be surprised if one day a car went around a sharp turn and the whole structure collapsed. This year is the ride's last, so it probably wont get to that point. Growing up with the park having that death shadow hanging over added a lot to this feeling, but go and ride it yourself to see. Get there before the end of summer though, because word has it the ride is coming down. The other ride we went on was the paratrooper. It ran fast and for a long cycle. A little too long for me in my old age (I'm only 25, can you believe it, two years ago I could handle anything...now a paratrooper is making me queasy). It was good fun though. Only the two of us and two preteen girls in another seat. We wandered around a bit and ended up over by the train. This area, between the tilt a whirl and the train was where the Saturn used to be. I remember the ride being gigantic, with each of the spaceships holding ten or twenty people. In reality it held maybe 4 or 6 if the kids were small enough. When the arms would swing out the bottoms would brush against the tree limbs which always seemed to be hundreds of feet in the air. The older people could reach out with their long arms and grab the leaves. This was one of the perks of growing up. But now the ride is gone, and the tree branches will remain untouched by my now adult arms, no matter how hard I strain, no matter how far I stretch. -Mike I hope you enjoyed this From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu May 28 22:51:46 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44886 invoked by uid 7800); 29 May 2009 05:51:43 -0000 Date: 29 May 2009 05:51:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1243576303.10.44885.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=kb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgAWzoN1TDF1243576274-1" --YCalReminder=kb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgAWzoN1TDF1243576274-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=kC7v65H1nVEQKSdOW3IDF1243576274-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu May 28 22:51:52 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6870 invoked by uid 7800); 29 May 2009 05:51:52 -0000 Date: 29 May 2009 05:51:52 -0000 Message-ID: <1243576312.7.6869.m2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=kb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgJ5CcfDHDF1243576274-1" --YCalReminder=kb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgJ5CcfDHDF1243576274-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Great America (California) opened Friday May 29, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Santa Clara, California Notes: On this date in 1976, Marriott's Great America opened it's doors in Santa Clara, California. Later, it would be purchased by Paramount Pictures, and renamed Paramount's Great America, and then in 2007 to become Great America. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=kb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgJ5CcfDHDF1243576274-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=kb8zOf3J8tTB4eAmUOjStgJ5CcfDHDF1243576274-1-- From holyreality11@yahoo.com Fri May 29 19:45:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: holyreality11@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32027 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 02:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 02:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 02:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 02:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 02:45:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 02:45:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.150.114.12 From: "holyreality11" Subject: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=345687498; y=PUD9zZG1fUVgH1L89sdm4UhYfbW4OIJfoMaAokD9P5hi8qAY2cs9lg X-Yahoo-Profile: holyreality11 i noticed the picture of our group and i noticed what looks to be the third= hill of the ride, in which a straight section of track exists and has trim= brakes,=20 i have heard that the ride did not always have (some / all ? ) [of its] tri= ms, and was relentless in airtmie, and was greatly tamed down,=20 i am curious ,=20 did this third hill (the one in the group picture ) normally exist in anoth= er format ?=20 the ride has always been a bit disappointing to me as all the great moments= were completely halted in anticipation of the grumpy brakes,=20 same with psyclone, which is gone now and some-day perhaps this summer i will ride terminator and see how it is! From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri May 29 21:01:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81034 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 04:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 04:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 04:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 04:01:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 04:01:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 04:01:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000325575562d0876c046aefcc06@google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=t5swHs3d9ahOySTpRCksEcenY0NKv-aZxwEJHlG90Lb1D-GynohC X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck And High Speed Thrill Coaster was neither high speed or thrilling... From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri May 29 22:50:26 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28588 invoked by uid 7800); 30 May 2009 05:50:22 -0000 Date: 30 May 2009 05:50:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1243662622.9.28587.m2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=17mq5fYXa0DgpEyB4uUWDIlfXRppKTX1243662616-1" --YCalReminder=17mq5fYXa0DgpEyB4uUWDIlfXRppKTX1243662616-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Joyland Park (Kentucky) opened Saturday May 30, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Lexington, Kentucky Notes: On this date in 1923, Joyland Park opened in Lexington, Kentucky. It was closed in 1964. A neighborhood and bowling alley were built on the former site and are named after the park. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=17mq5fYXa0DgpEyB4uUWDIlfXRppKTX1243662616-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=17mq5fYXa0DgpEyB4uUWDIlfXRppKTX1243662616-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri May 29 22:50:26 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55322 invoked by uid 7800); 30 May 2009 05:50:22 -0000 Date: 30 May 2009 05:50:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1243662622.513.55305.m3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=1X71vWiasmp8NAJf4VvugdMYUT1243662616-1" --YCalReminder=1X71vWiasmp8NAJf4VvugdMYUT1243662616-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Oaks Amusement Park opened Saturday May 30, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Portland, Oregon Notes: On this date in 1905, Oaks Amusement Park opened its gates in Portland, Oregon. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=1X71vWiasmp8NAJf4VvugdMYUT1243662616-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=1X71vWiasmp8NAJf4VvugdMYUT1243662616-1-- From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat May 30 12:25:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99846 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 19:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 19:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 19:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MAUB8-0001QO-42 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:25:06 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d058a1d3a41bd40652bae394aceeff94e20350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=DORjTdrD-EdW4glwhPksuUBl9EfmH4em0XsAj_aSDWtse7I X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash holyreality11 wrote: > > i noticed the picture of our group and i noticed what looks to be the > third hill of the ride, in which a straight section of track exists and > has trim brakes, > > i have heard that the ride did not always have (some / all ? ) [of its] > trims, and was relentless in airtmie, and was greatly tamed down, > i am curious , > did this third hill (the one in the group picture ) normally exist in > another format ? > The hill used to be a double down, and yes, you're actually seeing the layout of the original track underneath what has been placed on top. Colossus opened without midcourse brakes. When they wanted to be able to run it with more trains, they had to put one in somewhere and that's where they elected to do so. It forced them to build over and replace that section of track to accommodate the brake run on it. > the ride has always been a bit disappointing to me as all the great > moments were completely halted in anticipation of the grumpy brakes, Colossus has many issues which prevent it from running the way that it should (and used to) run. They essentially never grease the track, which would give it a much better ride. Much of the track has actually been replaced with steel i-beam instead of the stacked wood with a layer of steel on top of it. The trains just do not ride as well on that. The trains are also not well suited to the coaster, along with a host of other upkeep and lack of care issues on Colossus as a whole. It's in dire need of a major overhaul, refurbishment, and restoration to return it to it's former glory. > same with psyclone, which is gone now I've heard some say Psyclone was good it's first year, but I don't remember that. I never had a good ride on it, and it was a piece of junk from the first time I ever laid eyes on it. Six Flags shoddy care didn't help it any, but I don't know there was much they could do with it. I think they ended up doing the most appropriate thing in it's case- scrap it and put it out of our misery. :) > and some-day perhaps this summer i will ride terminator and see how it is! > Terminator may finally be the long awaited arrival of a good woody at SFMM. And with the company that built it, and the great trains on it, it shouldn't require as much care so it might be able to still give good rides in a few years, even if SFMM tries to trash it like they did the others. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From holyreality11@yahoo.com Sat May 30 15:58:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: holyreality11@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56630 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 22:58:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 22:58:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 22:58:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 22:57:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 22:57:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:57:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.150.114.12 From: "holyreality11" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=345687498; y=shOPUbCihDP6hm54akAv4ICPH1SyW1Uz9nbERXjf2Y05Qed6IY0isA X-Yahoo-Profile: holyreality11 George, thank you for your wisdom! Here is to hoping that six flags evolves beyond gimmicks and embraces Quali= ty,=20 how many clones do we need ? how come they don't put immelmans in their flo= orlesses ? why 2 medusas in the same state,=20 sheesh! -Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > holyreality11 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > > i noticed the picture of our group and i noticed what looks to be the=20 > > third hill of the ride, in which a straight section of track exists and= =20 > > has trim brakes, > >=20 > > i have heard that the ride did not always have (some / all ? ) [of its]= =20 > > trims, and was relentless in airtmie, and was greatly tamed down,=20 > > i am curious , > > did this third hill (the one in the group picture ) normally exist in=20 > > another format ? > >=20 >=20 > The hill used to be a double down, and yes, you're actually seeing the=20 > layout of the original track underneath what has been placed on top.=20 > Colossus opened without midcourse brakes. When they wanted to be able=20 > to run it with more trains, they had to put one in somewhere and that's=20 > where they elected to do so. It forced them to build over and replace=20 > that section of track to accommodate the brake run on it. >=20 > > the ride has always been a bit disappointing to me as all the great=20 > > moments were completely halted in anticipation of the grumpy brakes, >=20 > Colossus has many issues which prevent it from running the way that it=20 > should (and used to) run. They essentially never grease the track,=20 > which would give it a much better ride. Much of the track has actually=20 > been replaced with steel i-beam instead of the stacked wood with a layer= =20 > of steel on top of it. The trains just do not ride as well on that.=20 > The trains are also not well suited to the coaster, along with a host of= =20 > other upkeep and lack of care issues on Colossus as a whole. It's in=20 > dire need of a major overhaul, refurbishment, and restoration to return=20 > it to it's former glory. >=20 > > same with psyclone, which is gone now >=20 > I've heard some say Psyclone was good it's first year, but I don't=20 > remember that. I never had a good ride on it, and it was a piece of=20 > junk from the first time I ever laid eyes on it. Six Flags shoddy care=20 > didn't help it any, but I don't know there was much they could do with=20 > it. I think they ended up doing the most appropriate thing in it's=20 > case- scrap it and put it out of our misery. :) >=20 > > and some-day perhaps this summer i will ride terminator and see how it = is! > >=20 >=20 > Terminator may finally be the long awaited arrival of a good woody at=20 > SFMM. And with the company that built it, and the great trains on it,=20 > it shouldn't require as much care so it might be able to still give good= =20 > rides in a few years, even if SFMM tries to trash it like they did the=20 > others. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 31 08:47:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44442 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 15:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 15:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 15:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAnFH-0005kG-P8 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:46:47 -0700 Message-ID: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:47:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=sRNrr2JOnahayyULH3nYsrJLHU_ODJ8Ogu5cAejAYxOkLz6UStSAsuF4-w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Here is to hoping that six flags evolves beyond gimmicks and embraces >>Quality, how many clones do we need ? how come they don't put immelmans in their floorlesses ? why 2 medusas in the same state, sheesh! -Chris Ummm... I'm not sure about the Medusa at SF Marine World but I think it has an Immelman and I know Bizarro (was Medusa) at SFGAdv and Scream at SFMM both have Immelmans as well as well as The Dark Knight at SFNE. I think the only current Six Flags owned Floorless without one is Superman: Krypton Coaster at SF Fiesta Texas and Dominator at Kings Dominion was built by Six Flags as Knight Flight at Geauga Lake first also doesn't have one, but that one is also unusual as it also doesn't feature a B&M Zero-G-Roll either. From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 31 09:12:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5010 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 16:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 16:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 16:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAne1-00016g-N4 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:12:22 -0700 Message-ID: To: References: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:12:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=r1NTT5Mut0dcWZ1LooSPGNa5vyI5TrFwK5_yWlQXyXVvJtTjmw2el1wEJA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > The hill used to be a double down, and yes, you're actually seeing the > layout of the original track underneath what has been placed on top. > Colossus opened without midcourse brakes. When they wanted to be able > to run it with more trains, they had to put one in somewhere and that's > where they elected to do so. It forced them to build over and replace > that section of track to accommodate the brake run on it. Yep, the odd thing is how many times have you seen them run Colossus with 3 trains on each side since they did that? I can only think of one time, which was only when they were running only one side of the ride for some reason. So there wasn't much reason for that little re-profile. The good news however is that once in awhile (it's been awhile since I rode it) they would run it without those brakes on and you actually got a better drop off the top of the new ramp-run drop than you did from the double-down. Only sometimes... ;-) Colossus has changes a lot from when it opened. I never got to experience it from year-1 when there used to be a double-up leading into the second turn around, but I rode it frequently over the years that followed. When it first opened it used to have 3-bench PTC trains before they replaced them with the current Morgan "California Style" trains it still runs to this day. I think the ride is in dire-need of some new trains however... even if it means using the old Psyclone trains which always seems to give a better ride running them backwards than the Morgan trains did running forward. I'd love to see Colossus gets some love, new trains and race again... get a whole rehab package like the Texas Giant is getting next year. > I've heard some say Psyclone was good it's first year, but I don't > remember that. I never had a good ride on it, and it was a piece of > junk from the first time I ever laid eyes on it. Six Flags shoddy care > didn't help it any, but I don't know there was much they could do with > it. I think they ended up doing the most appropriate thing in it's > case- scrap it and put it out of our misery. :) I do remember enjoying Psyclone when it first opened... but that was mostly for the great first drop and a few other odd moments in the ride. The turns always sucked... felt like it was running on square-wheels then, which I figured was the B&M trains, but they run great when modified to run on Colossus backwards, but I know there some re-doing on the wheelbase for that... so I'm not sure. But I agree... in the end Psyclone pretty much tore itself apart over the years. They threw a ton of money at it to rebuild whole sections, but it's not a good coaster or a good layout. The George Cyclone at SFOG was also running as rough as Psyclone used to when I rode it last summer... I think the only Cyclone Clone that I really enjoyed my ride on was the Texas Cyclone at Astroworld, which despite the coffin car trains, gave a great ride. Saddly, it's now a pile of splinters also. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun May 31 14:37:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54804 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 21:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 21:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 21:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MAsi7-0001bY-Vo for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:36:56 -0400 Message-ID: <4A22F86F.3030703@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:36:47 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d05e0c3da94e4d203207a190f5852ddf19e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ljAfHpQ315V-vtU1VS-Qw05VCYgrRQCfIFiX6jiIaG2YLH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Lance wrote: > I think the only Cyclone Clone that I really enjoyed my ride on was the > Texas Cyclone at Astroworld, which despite > the coffin car trains, gave a great ride. Saddly, it's now a pile of > splinters also. You forgot Viper at SF Great America, which is a fantastic ride! Totally agreed on the Texas Cyclone. I'm so happy I managed to get a chance to ride it before it was gone. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Sun May 31 14:53:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88888 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 21:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 21:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 21:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2009 21:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2009 21:53:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:52:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.185.31 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=tBbbPmXg_DLmUqw2l8ICyMv9X_bUmuUXZGq4GWdUI-hsP2mqsC3V X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = wrote: > > And High Speed Thrill Coaster was neither high speed or thrilling... > ..mis-named, maybe,but it was fun, and that's what matters to me. I rode Da= rk Knight today for the third time..STILL not fun. Mike From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun May 31 15:19:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81392 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 22:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 22:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ns4.maddancer.com) (65.162.110.184) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 22:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from [10.96.188.60] (mobile-032-128-202-058.mycingular.net [32.128.202.58] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by ns4.maddancer.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4VMH6Cm023423 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:17:09 -0500 References: Message-Id: To: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5H11) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:17:26 -0400 Cc: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" X-Originating-IP: 65.162.110.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=s6RBzOiY30f68uwnnirBJKsDMko7zhlBjTlFceZimPzwIBho X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon If you dislike Dark Knight so much, why do you keep riding it?! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver On May 31, 2009, at 17:52, "Mike Gallagher" wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" > wrote: >> >> And High Speed Thrill Coaster was neither high speed or thrilling... >> > ..mis-named, maybe,but it was fun, and that's what matters to me. I > rode Dark Knight today for the third time..STILL not fun. > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun May 31 15:23:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69521 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 22:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 22:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 22:23:45 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so3602047ywm.16 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.141 with SMTP id t13mr1396530ibt.28.1243808565631; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A22F86F.3030703@earthlink.net> References: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> <4A22F86F.3030703@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:22:45 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905311522u566c8173if0dc133995226ab2@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=g3j2p6yGnVsoadN41zS5OLGHQLm2yTxvW65_iErRXd_wJ1M X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Totally right George. Historical aspects aside, Viper is far better that the CI Cyclone in my opinion. It's glass smooth, has amazing amounts of airtime, and is just really fun. The first hills are rather slow, probably from the lift hill craaaaaawling; but after the second turn the ride tries any way it can to kick your ass out of that seat. I remember my first rides on Viper back in 02 or 03, I guess there was a good crew running the ride at night, urging people to leave their lap bars around 2 clicks for real serious airtime. This one is much more appropriate for the name Raging Bull than the overgrown family coaster next door. And the return springs on the lapbars were the best I've ever encounteres. I've still never been on any other CIClones, but this one quickly became my favorite coaster in the park...especially now that deja vu was removed. -mike On 5/31/09, george burnash wrote: > Lance wrote: > >> I think the only Cyclone Clone that I really enjoyed my ride on was the >> Texas Cyclone at Astroworld, which despite >> the coffin car trains, gave a great ride. Saddly, it's now a pile of >> splinters also. > > You forgot Viper at SF Great America, which is a fantastic ride! > Totally agreed on the Texas Cyclone. I'm so happy I managed to get a > chance to ride it before it was gone. > > keep on ridin' > George > > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun May 31 15:29:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37780 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 22:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 22:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f208.google.com) (209.85.217.208) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 22:29:27 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so12174024gxk.2 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.133 with SMTP id g5mr1457429iba.27.1243808907042; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905311522u566c8173if0dc133995226ab2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> <4A22F86F.3030703@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0905311522u566c8173if0dc133995226ab2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:28:26 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905311528r7bf40f32ieec77acf2e0d5d59@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=IU5yeEjlbMxUlLZJDpTy9o_soqVm0PN97aWG8tjzqE3djzk X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Oh and also: I remember reading Viper was built in-house. Is that true? Anyone know who in-house made the ride, and was the design or building crew involved with any other coaster? Or, did they consult with any particular coaster manufacturing or design firms/individuals? If so, what aspects of the ride did they handle? I've never been clear on how a park goes about constructing an in-house ride. With Knobles it's a very transparent (and slow...ugh flying turns) process, so any info on Viper or other in house rides would be appreciated. -mike On 5/31/09, Michael Cowan wrote: > Totally right George. Historical aspects aside, Viper is far better > that the CI Cyclone in my opinion. It's glass smooth, has amazing > amounts of airtime, and is just really fun. The first hills are > rather slow, probably from the lift hill craaaaaawling; but after the > second turn the ride tries any way it can to kick your ass out of that > seat. > > I remember my first rides on Viper back in 02 or 03, I guess there was > a good crew running the ride at night, urging people to leave their > lap bars around 2 clicks for real serious airtime. This one is much > more appropriate for the name Raging Bull than the overgrown family > coaster next door. And the return springs on the lapbars were the > best I've ever encounteres. > > I've still never been on any other CIClones, but this one quickly > became my favorite coaster in the park...especially now that deja vu > was removed. > > -mike > > On 5/31/09, george burnash wrote: >> Lance wrote: >> >>> I think the only Cyclone Clone that I really enjoyed my ride on was the >>> Texas Cyclone at Astroworld, which despite >>> the coffin car trains, gave a great ride. Saddly, it's now a pile of >>> splinters also. >> >> You forgot Viper at SF Great America, which is a fantastic ride! >> Totally agreed on the Texas Cyclone. I'm so happy I managed to get a >> chance to ride it before it was gone. >> >> keep on ridin' >> George >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------ >> With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. >> > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sun May 31 16:05:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42677 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 23:05:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 23:05:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f180.google.com) (209.85.221.180) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 23:05:37 -0000 X-Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so1360832qyk.30 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:04:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr3359106vcj.56.1243811091501; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:04:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=FIaLHGFqOmHxw7_XjfzBTF-39-YsCZWqLMpbeNo8ym2UdYxdHqL3IYA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I rode > Dark Knight today for the third time..STILL not fun. I thought it was a great ride (and I'll elaborate on that later). -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun May 31 17:53:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51075 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 00:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 00:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 00:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 00:53:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 00:53:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:53:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.234.227 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-EZovxx9LhGiaOmrgHyE41OnLoh4UurboG3cgoutvDbVVZcImzdp X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Wonderful TR, Mike! Thanks. > then Erin hugged a big cock and tamed a lion. < Huh?=20 Did you see any signs of the new coaster area being prepped? Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun May 31 18:41:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15486 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 01:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 01:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 01:41:26 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so3883450ywk.58 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:40:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.35.75 with SMTP id o11mr1439387ibd.6.1243820426410; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:40:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0905311840o5defc3e4i3dab9b73e1abc6b2@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=tZAGPn4cZxBqKpMP1HeqFUTd0hmDNRE6AIi3KHVXaW4cWag X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Thanks Jay, always nice to know people took the time to read it. And I was wondering if anyone would catch that line...we went to the photo op with the animal statues and took pictuers with the lion and the giant rooster :) mike -no one warned me about all the yand work involvedin owning a home hahaha On 5/31/09, jay_ducharme wrote: > Wonderful TR, Mike! Thanks. > >> then Erin hugged a big cock and tamed a lion. < > > Huh? > > Did you see any signs of the new coaster area being prepped? > > Jay > > From lance@screamscape.com Sun May 31 19:37:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13650 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 02:37:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 02:37:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 02:37:54 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAxOb-0000Ej-3Q for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:37:05 -0700 Message-ID: <6D486B7ECBCA440AB2AB052A53F7BB8A@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> <4A22F86F.3030703@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4A22F86F.3030703@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:37:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=QBtAhcjte1j-0S49d8IISiAdcV-BZuTCgVh0uP1XjRHiQn4lmsVB-sv51g X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > You forgot Viper at SF Great America, which is a fantastic ride! > Totally agreed on the Texas Cyclone. I'm so happy I managed to get a > chance to ride it before it was gone. Never had the chance to try the Viper cyclone clone... always heard that it was the best one built though. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 31 22:41:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46504 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 05:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 05:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 05:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 05:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 05:40:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:40:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.162.42 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=QWr0T2s4CGBJtjeS2VeIRql1x3hGgBEi1s3-CAi0yewefrS_aw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Maybe he's hoping that someday, they'll actually finish putting all the gag= s and theming in and working?=20 I know I'd like to ride it in that condition. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > > If you dislike Dark Knight so much, why do you keep riding it?! :) >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver >=20 > On May 31, 2009, at 17:52, "Mike Gallagher" =20=20 > wrote: >=20 > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20=20 > > wrote: > >> > >> And High Speed Thrill Coaster was neither high speed or thrilling... > >> > > ..mis-named, maybe,but it was fun, and that's what matters to me. I = =20 > > rode Dark Knight today for the third time..STILL not fun. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoas= terTalk > > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the=20=20 > > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo!=20=20 > > Groups Links > > > > > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun May 31 22:50:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67786 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 05:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 05:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 05:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 05:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 05:50:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:50:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905311528r7bf40f32ieec77acf2e0d5d59@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.162.42 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=X19airYgth9KglzGQ_lz-XD6NBudEyPrNAzB_x2a81UmZX1xhg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Good question.=20 Let me ask around at work next weekend. There's some maintenance guys that = have been there since the Marriott days, as well as some Rides folks that h= ave been there nearly as long that should know. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > Oh and also: >=20 > I remember reading Viper was built in-house. Is that true? Anyone > know who in-house made the ride, and was the design or building crew > involved with any other coaster? Or, did they consult with any > particular coaster manufacturing or design firms/individuals? If so, > what aspects of the ride did they handle? >=20 > I've never been clear on how a park goes about constructing an > in-house ride. With Knobles it's a very transparent (and slow...ugh > flying turns) process, so any info on Viper or other in house rides > would be appreciated. >=20 > -mike >=20 > On 5/31/09, Michael Cowan wrote: > > Totally right George. Historical aspects aside, Viper is far better > > that the CI Cyclone in my opinion. It's glass smooth, has amazing > > amounts of airtime, and is just really fun. The first hills are > > rather slow, probably from the lift hill craaaaaawling; but after the > > second turn the ride tries any way it can to kick your ass out of that > > seat. > > > > I remember my first rides on Viper back in 02 or 03, I guess there was > > a good crew running the ride at night, urging people to leave their > > lap bars around 2 clicks for real serious airtime. This one is much > > more appropriate for the name Raging Bull than the overgrown family > > coaster next door. And the return springs on the lapbars were the > > best I've ever encounteres. > > > > I've still never been on any other CIClones, but this one quickly > > became my favorite coaster in the park...especially now that deja vu > > was removed. > > > > -mike > > > > On 5/31/09, george burnash wrote: > >> Lance wrote: > >> > >>> I think the only Cyclone Clone that I really enjoyed my ride on was t= he > >>> Texas Cyclone at Astroworld, which despite > >>> the coffin car trains, gave a great ride. Saddly, it's now a pile of > >>> splinters also. > >> > >> You forgot Viper at SF Great America, which is a fantastic ride! > >> Totally agreed on the Texas Cyclone. I'm so happy I managed to get a > >> chance to ride it before it was gone. > >> > >> keep on ridin' > >> George > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------ > >> With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > >> > > > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun May 31 22:50:59 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27469 invoked by uid 7800); 1 Jun 2009 05:50:59 -0000 Date: 1 Jun 2009 05:50:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1243835459.8.27468.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=TapIQxgA4tivE6bSH1243835448-1" --YCalReminder=TapIQxgA4tivE6bSH1243835448-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=TapIQxgA4tivE6bSH1243835448-1-- From holyreality11@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 00:58:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: holyreality11@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19974 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 07:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 07:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 07:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 07:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 07:57:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:57:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.150.114.12 From: "holyreality11" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=345687498; y=9KN1aLZuN6xmdekdYprF6Tj-cf64RCn74Gec7CY6PQGmi08amA6YAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: holyreality11 Scream has an immelman ? it has a dive loop, my main focus stated in a simple way is ,=20 if you're going to buy a roller coaster, why not make it unique, original,= =20 what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is already such a= model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any clones at all= ?=20 i can think of some good reasons i suppose,=20 i enjoy batman thoroughly and its in so many different places, --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > >>Here is to hoping that six flags evolves beyond gimmicks and embraces=20 > >>Quality, > how many clones do we need ? how come they don't put immelmans in their=20 > floorlesses ? why 2 medusas in the same state, > sheesh! > -Chris >=20 >=20 > Ummm... I'm not sure about the Medusa at SF Marine World but I think it h= as=20 > an Immelman and I know Bizarro (was Medusa) at SFGAdv and Scream at SFMM= =20 > both have Immelmans as well as well as The Dark Knight at SFNE. I think = the=20 > only current Six Flags owned Floorless without one is Superman: Krypton=20 > Coaster at SF Fiesta Texas and Dominator at Kings Dominion was built by S= ix=20 > Flags as Knight Flight at Geauga Lake first also doesn't have one, but th= at=20 > one is also unusual as it also doesn't feature a B&M Zero-G-Roll either. > From holyreality11@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 01:02:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: holyreality11@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36444 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 08:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 08:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 08:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 08:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 08:01:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:01:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.150.114.12 From: "holyreality11" Subject: build your own roller coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=345687498; y=05C7-igFBEitdYMfY20KfBnrIXXe-wRT97iC8m-SjOdFtiJs4Xssog X-Yahoo-Profile: holyreality11 i've fancied an idea of a terrain wooden coaster that starts off with many = winding sweeps and turns and dips right out of the station, each becoming l= arger and more wild and "out of control" leading up to a surprise very hidd= en perfect drop,=20 the only catch is it would need its lift hill to either be in the middle of= the ride, in which case it might turn into an out-back/twister hybrid, or at the very very end of the ride, which would be so very boring, or a separ= ate exit station and a hidden lift element. are there any wooden coasters like this ? i intend to make one in scream-machines some-day. right before the surprise= drop it would dip up slightly so that the front has floater air and the ba= ck perfect ejection, and it would go into a tunnel! what would you make ?=20 From holyreality11@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 01:12:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: holyreality11@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41132 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 08:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 08:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 08:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 08:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 08:12:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:12:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.150.114.12 From: "holyreality11" Subject: question on Ripsaw Falls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=345687498; y=jqA4K5f6TN4_mx2oBMGCaIEC2IpDOHHsvqfTMPFiEKKBbfnX2MOhhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: holyreality11 i used to frequent forums about amusement parks and got very out of loop , = literally! (awaits laughter or laugh track!)=20 (see loop is a pun! )=20 *emoticon!* , :=20 my question is, when i went to IOA in 2003 or so, i went on ripsaw falls, a= nd i was floating out of my "seat" as if there were such a thing, in the in= credible and ecstatic and most amazing drop i have ever felt outside of gho= strider, now i have heard they modified, made the drop weaker, and put in lapbars is the ride worth going on ? how does it compare ? From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 04:46:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76974 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 11:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 11:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 11:46:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 11:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 11:46:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:46:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 138.89.185.31 From: "Mike Gallagher" Subject: Re: NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=A9IqJHUMXzuepDQ08HZUG1JF47_0Vkn8KvQd5Aampi-K3abMcnFF X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > > If you dislike Dark Knight so much, why do you keep riding it?! :) >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver >=20 > I said after my first ride, I would only ride it again if I was with some= one who had not been on and wanted to ride. That was the case last weekend = with my nephew and yesterday, when I was with a friend from the Pittsburgh = area. Fortunately, it was essentially a walk-on both times. Mike From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jun 01 05:01:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74607 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 12:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 12:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 12:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MB6Cr-0005sY-PT for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4A23C314.2030802@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:01:24 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4784edcf1b786a61d050450e9bccd3a1a4741f59fe6d3cd3f6e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] clones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LYP5DdaEaFYefnURhaoRRv2d_I_tb8WDtGc2hllTP9rULsc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash holyreality11 wrote: > my main focus stated in a simple way is , > if you're going to buy a roller coaster, why not make it unique, original, > > what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is already > such a model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any > clones at all ? To save money that would otherwise be spent on research, development, and design. Why spend $15-18 million on a coaster when you can spend $10 million and get just as much coaster and in a design that has already proven to be popular? Those millions can add up. And outside of the small percentage of enthusiasts, the vast majority of people are completely unaware of when coasters are clones of other coasters. And if 98% of the people don't care or are oblivious enough to not know, then why should you spend several million more dollars to make people happy that may not ever visit your park anyways? keep on ridin' George (speaking of clones, I need to get my pictures uploaded from Star Wars Weekend) -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From lance@screamscape.com Mon Jun 01 05:29:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: screamscapelance@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93254 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 12:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 12:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f110.google.com) (209.85.221.110) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 12:29:21 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so15548660qyk.5 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:29:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.91.213 with SMTP id o21mr3417728vcm.117.1243859350481; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:29:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A23C314.2030802@earthlink.net> References: <4A23C314.2030802@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:29:10 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8423bcbf1e19b4c6 Message-ID: <8d240fd50906010529o7e9d9501q3b5b3e624c55903b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Lance Hart Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] clones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=YOGGjSG2iS4gUCTxjdrCG6YJ9A6_Wu7es-KB4ODamm1M7QCtax5VB6HI6A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's also worth mentioning that Scream's layout is entirely different from Medusa.Medusa at SFMW has more in common with Kraken than it does with Scream I think. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:01 AM, george burnash wrote: > > > holyreality11 wrote: > > > my main focus stated in a simple way is , > > if you're going to buy a roller coaster, why not make it unique, > original, > > > > what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is already > > such a model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any > > clones at all ? > > To save money that would otherwise be spent on research, development, > and design. Why spend $15-18 million on a coaster when you can spend > $10 million and get just as much coaster and in a design that has > already proven to be popular? Those millions can add up. > > And outside of the small percentage of enthusiasts, the vast majority of > people are completely unaware of when coasters are clones of other > coasters. And if 98% of the people don't care or are oblivious enough > to not know, then why should you spend several million more dollars to > make people happy that may not ever visit your park anyways? > > keep on ridin' > George > (speaking of clones, I need to get my pictures uploaded from Star Wars > Weekend) > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Mon Jun 01 05:34:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: screamscapelance@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31264 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 12:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 12:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f118.google.com) (209.85.221.118) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 12:34:48 -0000 X-Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so694527qyk.28 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:33:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.46.20 with SMTP id h20mr3583767vcf.55.1243859627991; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:33:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8d240fd50905221320u39d0da5au61110939e57d4b72@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:33:47 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 472d6426d494e419 Message-ID: <8d240fd50906010533v3b7a39g405769bcf97eb122@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Lance Hart Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=LlA0byjBT2mHgb1ZG_sPWp2zQGJ0zXU24Baq1szTnh0IRE6hXhU4zP23SA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The plans for the Terminator coaster were drawn up, at least as far as concept art goes.If you can find it, there is one of those Discovery Channel specials that was done back in the day about the creation of T2-3D and they show off a piece of concept art for the Terminator coaster. It had a building that looked quite a bit like the old rough artwork for Space Mountain, with a similar shaped hershey kiss style building structure with the coaster both inside and outside of it. Anyone have that episode saved somewhere who can get a screen capture? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > I sure as hell thought it was an odd choice... and still do to a point. > > Metal Monster... wood coaster. Hmmm... still strikes me as odd. > > Well, the Incredible Hulk certainly isn't made of metal, but the ride is. > :) > > In all seriousness, I don't see the connection. It's not like you're > riding the robot. That argument makes even less sense if you've seen > the preshow/know the story behind the ride. Dueling Dragons is all > mideval-themed, so by that argument wood would have made more sense? > I think Six flags did a great job. > > > I've got to wonder if Scream will be changed into Bizarro next. > > Couldn't hurt... and a good way to fix their parking lot coaster. > > Agreed. That ride could use some work (and a theme!). > > > Fun Fact - Does anyone remember that the original Terminator attraction > for > > Universal was a Terminator themed coaster? > > How odd... what a coincidence. > > Actually, I don't know that I've ever heard taht. Was it just a > rumor, or were there more solid plans than that? > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Mon Jun 01 05:50:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: screamscapelance@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80876 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 12:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 12:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.147) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 12:49:56 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so4425556qwc.58 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:48:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.100.16 with SMTP id w16mr3485809vcn.110.1243860534948; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:48:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:48:54 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 41372c708083ef68 Message-ID: <8d240fd50906010548ma98e8c1l9f22a5012a449790@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Lance Hart Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=y5p1H6jBpAGWTLZ6H5tX8jTM2qAU8RppyymaWiWNq4vKIbpyYVVrMKSFwg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess your right technically, it does have a Dive Loop. Though really the only difference between an Immelman and what you called a Dive Loop is the direction of travel through the same element I guess, or am I wrong about that? I know Inverted coasters always seem to take Immelman's with the vertical loop and now that I think of it, most Floorless take the Dive Loop route. Though I know the Six Flags designed Superman in Spain at Parque Warner Madrid did put in a true Immelman. http://www.rcdb.com/ig1366.htm?picture=20 So I've got to wonder, are there any other B&M Floorless with a true Immelman? Maybe its a B&M thing... I've always wondered why more of their Inverted coaster never had Batwings and always went for Cobra Rolls instead when the Batwings are always so much more intense, like the one at Afterburn (Carowinds) and Monta (BGT). I'm not sure if there are any others out there... On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:57 AM, holyreality11 wrote: > > > Scream has an immelman ? it has a dive loop, > > my main focus stated in a simple way is , > if you're going to buy a roller coaster, why not make it unique, original, > > what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is already such a > model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any clones at all ? > > > i can think of some good reasons i suppose, > i enjoy batman thoroughly and its in so many different places, > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "Lance" wrote: > > > > >>Here is to hoping that six flags evolves beyond gimmicks and embraces > > >>Quality, > > how many clones do we need ? how come they don't put immelmans in their > > floorlesses ? why 2 medusas in the same state, > > sheesh! > > -Chris > > > > > > Ummm... I'm not sure about the Medusa at SF Marine World but I think it > has > > an Immelman and I know Bizarro (was Medusa) at SFGAdv and Scream at SFMM > > both have Immelmans as well as well as The Dark Knight at SFNE. I think > the > > only current Six Flags owned Floorless without one is Superman: Krypton > > Coaster at SF Fiesta Texas and Dominator at Kings Dominion was built by > Six > > Flags as Knight Flight at Geauga Lake first also doesn't have one, but > that > > one is also unusual as it also doesn't feature a B&M Zero-G-Roll either. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Jun 01 05:54:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97482 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 12:54:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 12:54:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f158.google.com) (209.85.217.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 12:54:53 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f158.google.com with SMTP id 2so568402gxk.16 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:54:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.133 with SMTP id g5mr1604952iba.27.1243860892646; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:54:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:54:52 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906010554h4fbb9c7cj132595037ac4be47@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=P-9MwFCDcAP57tGzC_sKRa0aE7gF02lqd1sHxnXUt05W4fA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska That is a good question, but I believe the main reasons driving parks to pick up cloned rides is cost. Building a new ride involves a large amount of planning, research, development, and number crunching. This problem becomes even more costly when you take into account the parks that are trying out new types of coasters. For example, the most prominent of the big clones (leaving out SLCs...which is what the coaster community calls those Vekoma inverts like mind eraser @ sfne... and the ever present Vekoma boomerangs) I would say is Batman in the six flags parks. Six Flags probably had to pony up a lot of money for the first B:TR, since it was the first inverted coaster and they were probably on the hook for a certain amount of the research and development not only for that coaster with that layout, but the overall style of coaster and the completly new train design necessary for it. The coaster was a smash hit at SFGAm, and over the next few years we saw them sprout up all across this country and the world. Six Flags took a gamble on something new, and in this case it really paid off. I am actually surprised we didn't see more medusas than the two and 3/4ths we have now. Once again, Six Flags was probably on the hook for a percentage of the cash needed to develop this new style of ride, and what they ended up with was a long, enjoyable coaster built on fairly flat ground with a large amount of appeal. In the following floorless boom that followed, we saw tons of other six flags parks getting floorless coasters all with unique and inspired layouts. For us as enthusiasts this is great, but I still don't understand why the park would shell out all that cash. The only thing close to a clone was medusa west, but that ride has many differences aside from just the cobra roll/sea serpent (thats what the called that reverse cobra roll, right?). Scream seems to be the first actual clone of the floorless concept, and it probably could have been a great ride if they didn't throw it on top of a parkinglot. Another example would be the superman flying coasters, the S:ros's at SFA and Darien Lake (maybe add 1/2 for sfne if you want), and for a non-six flags example, Griffon and Sheikra in busch gardens. Most people in this country will not make it to enough amuesment parks to realize that these rides are clones anyway, so why not save a few (million) bucks? I might have gone overboard with acronyms or technical speak, so dont be ashamed to ask if you dont get some of what I said. Also, most of what I said is just speculation, since I dont actually build, design, or fund rollercoasters in any way other than my ticket price. -mike On 6/1/09, holyreality11 wrote: > Scream has an immelman ? it has a dive loop, > > my main focus stated in a simple way is , > if you're going to buy a roller coaster, why not make it unique, original, > > what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is already such a > model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any clones at all ? > > i can think of some good reasons i suppose, > i enjoy batman thoroughly and its in so many different places, > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: >> >> >>Here is to hoping that six flags evolves beyond gimmicks and embraces >> >>Quality, >> how many clones do we need ? how come they don't put immelmans in their >> floorlesses ? why 2 medusas in the same state, >> sheesh! >> -Chris >> >> >> Ummm... I'm not sure about the Medusa at SF Marine World but I think it >> has >> an Immelman and I know Bizarro (was Medusa) at SFGAdv and Scream at SFMM >> both have Immelmans as well as well as The Dark Knight at SFNE. I think >> the >> only current Six Flags owned Floorless without one is Superman: Krypton >> Coaster at SF Fiesta Texas and Dominator at Kings Dominion was built by >> Six >> Flags as Knight Flight at Geauga Lake first also doesn't have one, but >> that >> one is also unusual as it also doesn't feature a B&M Zero-G-Roll either. >> > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 01 07:52:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60605 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 14:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 14:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f127.google.com) (209.85.221.127) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 14:52:19 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f127.google.com with SMTP id 33so3741842qyk.15 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:52:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.90.199 with SMTP id j7mr3770145vcm.57.1243867937080; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:52:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:52:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] build your own roller coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=u_GHS2GJQvixwEcRZG1e020sOVaHLVtjV_hbW8cKe7oBlMa8axiyf50 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > i've fancied an idea of a terrain wooden coaster that starts off with many > winding sweeps and turns and dips right out of the station, each becoming > larger and more wild and "out of control" leading up to a surprise very > hidden perfect drop, Sounds a lot like Kennywood's Thunderbolt. Personally I think the ride is junk, but a lot of enthusiasts really like it. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 01 07:54:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79210 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 14:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 14:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f103.google.com) (209.85.216.103) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 14:54:28 -0000 X-Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so5849549pxi.6 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:54:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.90.199 with SMTP id j7mr3774137vcm.57.1243868063886; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:54:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:54:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Oij7we-6FUZuHAZ3GbmnrMuGb0dIKH0hDe0dnyhSf9Vg0768XpQzpRI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Maybe he's hoping that someday, they'll actually finish putting all the gags > and theming in and working? I'm not all that familiar with the ride or what was supposed to be there and never materialized, but it seemed pretty complete to me. I'm not sure what more could really be done with it. What's missing? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 01 07:57:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89944 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 14:57:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 14:57:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 14:57:50 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so3819238qwk.20 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.95.194 with SMTP id e2mr3808888vcn.65.1243868269796; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:57:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8d240fd50906010533v3b7a39g405769bcf97eb122@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d240fd50905221320u39d0da5au61110939e57d4b72@mail.gmail.com> <8d240fd50906010533v3b7a39g405769bcf97eb122@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Terminator Salvation opens @ SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=qeDVh7O5loyD3_HvUyG8byPzlXR84M7I9i6zlQ83R10joeYKC7pfy0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The plans for the Terminator coaster were drawn up, at least as far as > concept art goes...It had a building that looked quite a bit like the old rough artwork for > Space Mountain, with a similar shaped hershey kiss style building structure > with the coaster both inside and outside of it. So it was going to be a simple indoor sitdown coaster? Any idea on who the manufacturer would have been (or was it fairly obscure, like the original Hulk artwork)? I know I've seen the Discovery channel program you mentioned, but I don't remember anything about a coaster being mentioned. It's an old program though. Personally, I think T2:3-D is a great attraction, and probably a bit more original than another indoor coaster. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 01 08:12:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26683 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 15:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 15:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f106.google.com) (209.85.222.106) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 15:12:42 -0000 X-Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so3657795pzk.31 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:11:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.77.17 with SMTP id e17mr3869223vck.47.1243869115496; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:11:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> References: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:11:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=m_dui9CZT-QxPis809mBG7ui4YH63bFg0713LHWve4l595BNZJAEkxE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Ummm... I'm not sure about the Medusa at SF Marine World but I think it has > an Immelman and I know Bizarro (was Medusa) at SFGAdv and Scream at SFMM > both have Immelmans as well as well as The Dark Knight at SFNE. All of those rides have dive loops, not immelmans. As far as I know, the only B&M sitdowns with immelmans are Wildfire, Daemon, WBMW's Superman, and the dive machines. None of these are "regular" floorless coasters. To be fair, though, that's not Six Flags' fault, but seems to be a design preference of B&M's. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 01 08:17:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25759 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 15:17:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 15:17:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 15:17:11 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so4309948qwh.57 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:16:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.97.210 with SMTP id m18mr3896945vcn.50.1243869387738; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:16:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A218812.5070906@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:16:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=kf5JqRmjJsEPriYlVQOb6YTkKqCutqk-52HKUVI0WPK2es4AWyBbyUM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I think the only Cyclone Clone that I really enjoyed my ride on was the > Texas Cyclone at Astroworld, which despite > the coffin car trains, gave a great ride. It's funny, because enthusiasts often complain about how crappy Morgan trains are, probably because of how horribly they run on Grizzly & Colossus (among others). But they run like an absolute dream on SCBB's Giant Dipper, and they ran well on Texas Cyclone. So there must be more going on than bad trains with Colossus, Grizzly, etc. I don't have the knowledge or mechanical background to understand what makes for a good wooden coaster train, but I think there's enough evidence out there that suggests the trains are not the only problem (and may not really be part of the problem at all). -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 01 08:27:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3000 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 15:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 15:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.229) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 15:27:15 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so2640909rvb.39 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:26:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.76.147 with SMTP id c19mr3653988vck.96.1243869974388; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:26:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8d240fd50906010548ma98e8c1l9f22a5012a449790@mail.gmail.com> References: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> <8d240fd50906010548ma98e8c1l9f22a5012a449790@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=UMFMwSqTle8IXk8YBH6FoKYuBu8Kug7BCedW3E8bFopW_SNl8uUe-uw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Whoops, I missed this post when I replied earlier. > I guess your right technically, it does have a Dive Loop. Though really the > only difference between an Immelman and what you called a Dive Loop is the > direction of travel through the same element I guess, or am I wrong about > that? That's correct. A dive loop and an immelman look identical; the difference is in which direction the train travels through the element. > So I've got to wonder, are there any other B&M Floorless with a true > Immelman? SheiKra and Griffon are both floorless, but they're not typical B&M floorless coasters (as I alluded to earlier). > I've always wondered why more of their Inverted coaster never had Batwings > and always went for Cobra Rolls instead when the Batwings are always so much > more intense, like the one at Afterburn (Carowinds) and Monta (BGT). I'm > not sure if there are any others out there... I believe those are the only two. I'm not really sure why that is either, unless there's an added expense of digging a ditch. (I'm not sure if that's necessary or not, but both inverted batwings have them...). -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 01 08:37:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34754 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 15:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 15:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f117.google.com) (209.85.221.117) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 15:37:45 -0000 X-Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so10957246qyk.8 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:36:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.71.6 with SMTP id f6mr3906165vcj.16.1243870604573; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:36:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906010554h4fbb9c7cj132595037ac4be47@mail.gmail.com> References: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0906010554h4fbb9c7cj132595037ac4be47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:36:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=_Lc4O70YyjaG68Onu7heb-ALzQa_UuIwTf7vsMemz-m8yemHNxNXjQ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I am actually surprised we didn't see more medusas than the two and > 3/4ths we have now. My guess? Medusa is a huge ride, and most parks that have purchased floorless coasters either (a) bought smaller and less expensive rides, or (b) didn't have the space for a Medusa clone and had to purchase a custom model instead. Rides that are cloned over and over tend to be smaller compact coasters with (relatively) small footprints. Medusa wastes a lot of space. > Griffon and Sheikra in busch gardens. Griffon and SheiKra actually have fairly different layouts. They start out the same, but there a couple minor differences (and one or two major ones) after the first immelman. -Nate From holyreality11@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 22:52:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: holyreality11@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95296 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 05:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 05:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 05:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 05:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 05:52:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:52:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.150.114.12 From: "holyreality11" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=345687498; y=7xQrhnTCrKUw4zAELQwtpjvaXP8WROYrwLDjlfhuOCpGtZE14MSbIw X-Yahoo-Profile: holyreality11 hmm, Immelmanns are so much more fun than dive loops ! someone mentioned the sea serpent, it seems i have experienced this element= but i am not sure where... i know i liked it very very much..... so much b= etter than the cobra rolls, because of the great fluid movement! i suppose it was rockn roller coaster! --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > Ummm... I'm not sure about the Medusa at SF Marine World but I think it= has > > an Immelman and I know Bizarro (was Medusa) at SFGAdv and Scream at SFM= M > > both have Immelmans as well as well as The Dark Knight at SFNE. >=20 > All of those rides have dive loops, not immelmans. As far as I know, > the only B&M sitdowns with immelmans are Wildfire, Daemon, WBMW's > Superman, and the dive machines. None of these are "regular" > floorless coasters. >=20 > To be fair, though, that's not Six Flags' fault, but seems to be a > design preference of B&M's. >=20 > -Nate > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jun 02 07:50:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5987 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 14:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 14:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 14:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 14:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 14:49:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:49:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6D486B7ECBCA440AB2AB052A53F7BB8A@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.234.227 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=trtXP56IonbhaB0w9IXBk9URRkd-yzXDEwM789hW7SJFGB8TH1Ur X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Never had the chance to try the Viper cyclone clone. < Neither have I. Each time I've been to SFGA, the ride was down. :( Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jun 02 07:55:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98480 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 14:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 14:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 14:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 14:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 14:55:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:55:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.234.227 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: build your own roller coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9cN352Ny6joAbBlsfHW33gh-4DHxdeiuk3lAb4CnB93QYhQJ4oti X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > are there any wooden coasters like this ? Kennywood has two of them: Jack Rabbit and Thunderbolt. My favorite coaster would probably be a mash-up of the Phoenix and the Ulti= mate: a fast ground-hugger that generates repeated massive airtime. John M= iller made one like that in Guatemala. I would love to see that coaster re= -created. But you'd need the right plot of land for it. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jun 02 08:26:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88838 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 15:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 15:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 15:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 15:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 15:25:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:25:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.234.227 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-QxDT8KSWV-VzBS1rLLctCne4FwRdhNqfCk3Ypemkj_Nr9TLk9R2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I don't have the knowledge or mechanical background to understand what > makes for a good wooden coaster train, but I think there's enough > evidence out there that suggests the trains are not the only problem > (and may not really be part of the problem at all). < I think you're right, Nate. There are trains that are simply uncomfortable= or track badly, but a lot has to do with how the train is matched to the t= rack and the type of coaster it is. (Obviously, a 3-bench PTC probably wou= ldn't work well on a GCI twister.) The main factor, though, will always be= how well-maintained the track is. The Morgan trains were once thought to help reduce maintenance on wilder tr= ack layouts. That turned out to be true, but the flip side was that those = rides -- like Riverside's Cyclone -- often became very uncomfortable for pa= trons. (The hard fiberglass seats didn't help.) But there are some layout= s (like the SCBB and Seabreeze's Jack Rabbit) where the Morgans work well. I was impressed with the difference in Hershey's Wildcat when it got the ne= w GCI trains. The original PTCs gave a really rough ride in recent years, = but the GCIs track much more fluidly. They're also more heavily padded. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jun 02 08:41:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78149 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 15:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 15:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 15:41:30 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so4268198ywk.76 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.54.6 with SMTP id c6mr5161937aga.29.1243957230195; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0906020840y3cfb03dan1a6e59703854820f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=SPE3e2du5nXMFvRfNgjaBYU44p1wZs-iN1HisxqmA-HLGKDQBw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I have yet to ride Wildcat with the new trains, but it's a safe bet to say I probably won't like it anymore. I used to LOVE Wildcat with the PTC trains on it. It was intense, and I always enjoyed it more than Lightning Racer. Now, with the MF trains, it'll probably be just like LR. Josh On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:25 AM, jay_ducharme wrot= e: > > >> I don't have the knowledge or mechanical background to understand what >> makes for a good wooden coaster train, but I think there's enough >> evidence out there that suggests the trains are not the only problem >> (and may not really be part of the problem at all). < > > I think you're right, Nate. There are trains that are simply uncomfortabl= e > or track badly, but a lot has to do with how the train is matched to the > track and the type of coaster it is. (Obviously, a 3-bench PTC probably > wouldn't work well on a GCI twister.) The main factor, though, will alway= s > be how well-maintained the track is. > > The Morgan trains were once thought to help reduce maintenance on wilder > track layouts. That turned out to be true, but the flip side was that tho= se > rides -- like Riverside's Cyclone -- often became very uncomfortable for > patrons. (The hard fiberglass seats didn't help.) But there are some layo= uts > (like the SCBB and Seabreeze's Jack Rabbit) where the Morgans work well. > > I was impressed with the difference in Hershey's Wildcat when it got the = new > GCI trains. The original PTCs gave a really rough ride in recent years, b= ut > the GCIs track much more fluidly. They're also more heavily padded. > > Jay > >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 02 08:43:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1073 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 15:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 15:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.236) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 15:43:16 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l9so2537722rvb.45 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.72.78 with SMTP id l14mr4796904vcj.81.1243957392875; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: build your own roller coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=10A8qJZeElIqGu0K58VtVPD_IWSxWw0p-u9LuNbuCv72BT1hgCpeDW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > My favorite coaster would probably be a mash-up of the Phoenix and the > Ultimate: a fast ground-hugger that generates repeated massive airtime. John > Miller made one like that in Guatemala. Really? I have no idea which ride you're referring to. Do you have more information on this ride? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 02 08:46:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53700 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 15:46:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 15:46:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f128.google.com) (209.85.222.128) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 15:46:37 -0000 X-Received: by pzk34 with SMTP id 34so3340598pzk.10 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:45:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.90.144 with SMTP id i16mr4946063vcm.14.1243957535260; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:45:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0906020840y3cfb03dan1a6e59703854820f@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e1ec0a0906020840y3cfb03dan1a6e59703854820f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=_0VQ0Q0lHh7GQX9kKXSLmFhfzb2KyxiO9aZLlv-bDvHZ05aZFa2utsY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I have yet to ride Wildcat with the new trains, but it's a safe bet to > say I probably won't like it anymore. I used to LOVE Wildcat with the > PTC trains on it. It was intense, and I always enjoyed it more than > Lightning Racer. Now, with the MF trains, it'll probably be just like > LR. Yeah, that's pretty much what I've heard from people who have ridden Wildcat before and after the change to Millennium Flyers. The GCI trains made the ride smoother and more comfortable, but the intensity and forcefulness of the ride is gone. It's a trade-off, I suppose. I never found Wildcat to be that brutal, so I think the switch is a bit unfortunate. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Tue Jun 02 16:20:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 522 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 23:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 23:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 23:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBdH6-0004eh-GX for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3F69FAA0C1134DCF9350717C63184539@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <76e1ec0a0906020840y3cfb03dan1a6e59703854820f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0906020840y3cfb03dan1a6e59703854820f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:20:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ooPUs7PTwmdMXH07ojUo53VBlZTHC1OO7akVQ2RuJuswOOGPCb7l33c3xw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance No, I rode Wildcast last summer with the new trains and I was quite disapointed... extremely rough. Not worse than it was with the PTC trains I think, but it didn't seem to improve it either. That ride's got other issues it seems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh W" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus I have yet to ride Wildcat with the new trains, but it's a safe bet to say I probably won't like it anymore. I used to LOVE Wildcat with the PTC trains on it. It was intense, and I always enjoyed it more than Lightning Racer. Now, with the MF trains, it'll probably be just like LR. Josh On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:25 AM, jay_ducharme wrote: > > >> I don't have the knowledge or mechanical background to understand what >> makes for a good wooden coaster train, but I think there's enough >> evidence out there that suggests the trains are not the only problem >> (and may not really be part of the problem at all). < > > I think you're right, Nate. There are trains that are simply uncomfortable > or track badly, but a lot has to do with how the train is matched to the > track and the type of coaster it is. (Obviously, a 3-bench PTC probably > wouldn't work well on a GCI twister.) The main factor, though, will always > be how well-maintained the track is. > > The Morgan trains were once thought to help reduce maintenance on wilder > track layouts. That turned out to be true, but the flip side was that > those > rides -- like Riverside's Cyclone -- often became very uncomfortable for > patrons. (The hard fiberglass seats didn't help.) But there are some > layouts > (like the SCBB and Seabreeze's Jack Rabbit) where the Morgans work well. > > I was impressed with the difference in Hershey's Wildcat when it got the > new > GCI trains. The original PTCs gave a really rough ride in recent years, > but > the GCIs track much more fluidly. They're also more heavily padded. > > Jay > > From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Jun 03 12:48:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50554 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2009 19:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2009 19:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2009 19:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 17:59:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 17:59:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:35:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4225AD72E4EB42A098D26045577AB9C9@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.135 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=lW-FehXx_9xI13RwRBIkxF_KwVrWNC0JUFo-x9BNEWf_XmfeZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > >>how come they don't put immelmans in their=20 > floorlesses ? > -Chris >=20 >=20 > Ummm... I'm not sure about the Medusa at SF Marine World but I think it h= as=20 > an Immelman and I know Bizarro (was Medusa) at SFGAdv and Scream at SFMM= =20 > both have Immelmans as well as well as The Dark Knight at SFNE.=20=20 To get a little picky, I think those are techinically "diving loops". The t= rain enters the top of the loop right-side up, the flips upside down as it = goes down to the bottom of the loop. An Immelman, I believe, starts from the bottom of the loop and goes up, so = that the train flips and comes out of the loop at the top. Jon Z (tool!) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jun 03 14:23:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55167 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2009 21:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2009 21:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2009 21:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 17:49:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 17:46:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:50:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F69FAA0C1134DCF9350717C63184539@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.189.66 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=fU62UEkZHVn3M9Su5ZH7DMK1InOhU6F7MIdMVp2I0twfmQD1vg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 You can put me in the camp that found Hershey's Wildcat to be better with t= he PTCs. It seems to have gotten so little maintenance that even the Flyer = trains can't smooth it out. Also, IMHO, the flyers tend to average out the = forces across the train, whereas the PTCs really were better in the front a= nd back.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" wrote: > > No, I rode Wildcast last summer with the new trains and I was quite=20 > disapointed... extremely rough. Not worse than it was with the PTC trains= I=20 > think, but it didn't seem to improve it either. That ride's got other iss= ues=20 > it seems. >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Josh W" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: old time Collossus >=20 >=20 > I have yet to ride Wildcat with the new trains, but it's a safe bet to > say I probably won't like it anymore. I used to LOVE Wildcat with the > PTC trains on it. It was intense, and I always enjoyed it more than > Lightning Racer. Now, with the MF trains, it'll probably be just like > LR. >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:25 AM, jay_ducharme =20 > wrote: > > > > > >> I don't have the knowledge or mechanical background to understand what > >> makes for a good wooden coaster train, but I think there's enough > >> evidence out there that suggests the trains are not the only problem > >> (and may not really be part of the problem at all). < > > > > I think you're right, Nate. There are trains that are simply uncomforta= ble > > or track badly, but a lot has to do with how the train is matched to th= e > > track and the type of coaster it is. (Obviously, a 3-bench PTC probably > > wouldn't work well on a GCI twister.) The main factor, though, will alw= ays > > be how well-maintained the track is. > > > > The Morgan trains were once thought to help reduce maintenance on wilde= r > > track layouts. That turned out to be true, but the flip side was that=20 > > those > > rides -- like Riverside's Cyclone -- often became very uncomfortable fo= r > > patrons. (The hard fiberglass seats didn't help.) But there are some=20 > > layouts > > (like the SCBB and Seabreeze's Jack Rabbit) where the Morgans work well= . > > > > I was impressed with the difference in Hershey's Wildcat when it got th= e=20 > > new > > GCI trains. The original PTCs gave a really rough ride in recent years,= =20 > > but > > the GCIs track much more fluidly. They're also more heavily padded. > > > > Jay > > > > > From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Wed Jun 03 16:25:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83064 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2009 23:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2009 23:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2009 23:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 18:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 18:03:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:28:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.135 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=R3KiOhyV9mdBEUvSobk_g8RTmAGVcO8ZvX179fzSTdW0oDwzVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > There seemed to be a string of deaths at the park in the 90s. Although > I can only remember one specific death, ... Were there really a lot of deaths at that park, or did one rumors grow into= an urban legend? Jon Z (whose older siblings apparently used to go to Quassy to make out) From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Jun 03 21:58:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92869 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 04:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 04:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f213.google.com) (209.85.217.213) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 04:57:55 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so877839gxk.15 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:56:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.37.68 with SMTP id w4mr475900ibd.33.1244091414748; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:56:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:56:54 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=vvTPFgkiPw1_cd2nZ1A0RKUb6fO5_8CvYcV-u4C-qJOEB1A X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I specifically remember one accident happening on my second favorite flat ride in the park. The ride was almost like a tilt-a-whirl mixed with a scrambler. The cars were on regular wheels, and I believe they were trailered in some way. I don't remember the name or many specifics, but the ride was one of a kind (at least I've never seen another since). The death was in I want to say 93, or around there. I was around 9-12 years old and I was born in 84. I remember more bad luck at the park around then and I think more deaths, but I'm not sure. mike On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:28 AM, zucker0615 wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan > wrote: >> >> There seemed to be a string of deaths at the park in the 90s. Although >> I can only remember one specific death, ... > > Were there really a lot of deaths at that park, or did one rumors grow in= to > an urban legend? > > Jon Z (whose older siblings apparently used to go to Quassy to make out) > >=20 From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Jun 04 07:09:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26413 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 14:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 14:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.221.172) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 14:09:38 -0000 X-Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so1106914qyk.30 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:09:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.3 with SMTP id e3mr592568iba.13.1244124575876; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:09:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30906040709w4bc9f117n6c3cdb0a5fef7ad8@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Yf0HQsQbS9KSa2ALHfU7c2DWSNlTY79JdKXD95njt8Y2pR7u X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I seem to recall more recent deaths in the park being non-ride related... drowning, lightning strike, etc. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Michael Cowan wrote: > I specifically remember one accident happening on my second favorite > flat ride in the park. =A0The ride was almost like a tilt-a-whirl mixed > with a scrambler. The cars were on regular wheels, and I believe they > were trailered in some way. =A0I don't remember the name or many > specifics, but the ride was one of a kind (at least I've never seen > another since). =A0The death was in I want to say 93, or around there. > I was around 9-12 years old and I was born in 84. =A0I remember more bad > luck at the park around then and I think more deaths, but I'm not > sure. > > mike > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:28 AM, zucker0615 wrote: >> >> >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan >> wrote: >>> >>> There seemed to be a string of deaths at the park in the 90s. Although >>> I can only remember one specific death, ... >> >> Were there really a lot of deaths at that park, or did one rumors grow i= nto >> an urban legend? >> >> Jon Z (whose older siblings apparently used to go to Quassy to make out) >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! =A0Spread the word = about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 04 07:11:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34142 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 14:11:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 14:11:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f190.google.com) (209.85.222.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 14:11:29 -0000 X-Received: by pzk28 with SMTP id 28so688637pzk.18 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.93.65 with SMTP id u1mr1465796vcm.59.1244124643272; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=EM2syez06xA1EBE7u4C58QGSg42CKDhBYopNiYAE5zslD_DnxmASTH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I specifically remember one accident happening on my second favorite > flat ride in the park. The ride was almost like a tilt-a-whirl mixed > with a scrambler. The cars were on regular wheels, and I believe they > were trailered in some way. Are you talking about a ride like this? http://www.joyrides.com/lakemont/twister.htm I believe that's a Chance Twister, andt's the only thing that really sprung to my mind. Anyone ele? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 04 07:16:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21036 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 14:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 14:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.228) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 14:16:29 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so358683rvb.53 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:15:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.81.17 with SMTP id v17mr1525387vck.43.1244124928608; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:15:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30906040709w4bc9f117n6c3cdb0a5fef7ad8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> <74b0c9f30906040709w4bc9f117n6c3cdb0a5fef7ad8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:15:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=YO5dKF-6YAm5ymcKLm_hQ6m1_vM2ST4RvPFPUi9Ee5CclHkqcOZwiME X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >>> Were there really a lot of deaths at that park, or did one rumors grow >>> into >>> an urban legend? This is the only one I could find: "Thursday, August 11, 1994 - At Quassy Amusement Park in Middlebury, Connecticut, a 6-year-old boy was killed after being struck by a car on the Twister kiddie ride. After the ride had come to a stop, the victim experienced trouble lifting his lap bar so that he could exit the ride. The operator went over to the boy=92s car in an attempt to help him, leaving the ride's controls unattended. One of several teenagers standing near the ride decided to play a prank on the 18-year-old operator, and turned the ride back on. The victim fell from the ride and was dragged under the track until the operator returned to the control panel to stop the ride. The victim had been crushed underneath the ride and died hours later at a local hospital." From http://www.rideaccidents.com/rides.html -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jun 04 07:31:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83090 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 14:31:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 14:31:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.239) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 14:31:32 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so305974rvb.51 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:31:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.30.203 with SMTP id v11mr598875ibc.15.1244125869084; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:31:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906040731n1531377btc7512135b5aba6e1@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=bdIRn4_lDhuPtZxD1zFZMNWNt7IGURzp_wsOEqRz117BZaM X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Yea, I think that's it. But I remember it being mor wooden and attached in the front instead of underneath like that one appears to be. Keep in mind I was 9 the last time I saw the ride. But the ride was also called twister, so it was probably the same thing. Lakemont and Quassy remind me a lot of eachother, except Quassy doesn't have two decent wood coasters. I also found more info on the death. I cant copy/paste the address from my phone though. The only death was in 1994 when a kid (non-employee) started the ride while people were still walking. A 16 year old boy was stuck and died of severe head injuries. Are there any of these around anymore? Is lakemont's still running? And Beth, you may be thinkingof Lake Compounce. There was one drowningin Lake Quassipaug (which has other, non-quassy beaches) but it didnt make much news. -mike On 6/4/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> I specifically remember one accident happening on my second favorite >> flat ride in the park. The ride was almost like a tilt-a-whirl mixed >> with a scrambler. The cars were on regular wheels, and I believe they >> were trailered in some way. > > Are you talking about a ride like this? > http://www.joyrides.com/lakemont/twister.htm > > I believe that's a Chance Twister, andt's the only thing that really > sprung to my mind. Anyone ele? > > -Nate > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jun 04 07:34:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87049 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 14:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 14:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f191.google.com) (209.85.221.191) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 14:34:38 -0000 X-Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so1315482qyk.22 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.10.136 with SMTP id p8mr609169ibp.14.1244126017605; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:33:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> <74b0c9f30906040709w4bc9f117n6c3cdb0a5fef7ad8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:33:37 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906040733t7858adaek4196bd2521070544@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=nz0xl87CbsILCKQ8enn60ixoiWyLrSoEYLQw-fXU6RacZD4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Yeah, that's it. The rest were urban legends or exagerations of small accidents, and this made them all seem a lot more credible. On 6/4/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >>>> Were there really a lot of deaths at that park, or did one rumors grow >>>> into >>>> an urban legend? > > This is the only one I could find: > "Thursday, August 11, 1994 - At Quassy Amusement Park in Middlebury, > Connecticut, a 6-year-old boy was killed after being struck by a car > on the Twister kiddie ride. After the ride had come to a stop, the > victim experienced trouble lifting his lap bar so that he could exit > the ride. The operator went over to the boy=92s car in an attempt to > help him, leaving the ride's controls unattended. One of several > teenagers standing near the ride decided to play a prank on the > 18-year-old operator, and turned the ride back on. The victim fell > from the ride and was dragged under the track until the operator > returned to the control panel to stop the ride. The victim had been > crushed underneath the ride and died hours later at a local hospital." > > From http://www.rideaccidents.com/rides.html > > -Nate > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word ab= out > Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Jun 04 09:25:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13370 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 16:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 16:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 16:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a27f54a327; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:24:42 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d63.369d9c80 (34956) for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA065-888c4a27f542175; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4A27F542.3090701@aol.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:24:34 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0905281612r12c320e9h980e2032a8974a5c@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0906032156k40cccb6dxe8c7e5d14f48716f@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0906040731n1531377btc7512135b5aba6e1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906040731n1531377btc7512135b5aba6e1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip Report - Quassy 5/25/09 - memory lane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=kDYH8N7ZAju0UxH8le52KdgtS_UulsLz7rHgfsOoMcR9dnk20w X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Michael Cowan wrote: > Yea, I think that's it. But I remember it being mor wooden and > attached in the front instead of underneath like that one appears to > be. Keep in mind I was 9 the last time I saw the ride. But the ride > was also called twister, so it was probably the same thing. Lakemont > and Quassy remind me a lot of eachother, except Quassy doesn't have > two decent wood coasters. > > I also found more info on the death. I cant copy/paste the address > from my phone though. The only death was in 1994 when a kid > (non-employee) started the ride while people were still walking. A 16 > year old boy was stuck and died of severe head injuries. Are there > any of these around anymore? Is lakemont's still running? > > And Beth, you may be thinkingof Lake Compounce. There was one > drowningin Lake Quassipaug (which has other, non-quassy beaches) but > it didnt make much news. > > -mike > > Lakemont's is still operating as far as I know, and there are a few other's out there. Williams Grove had an extremely well operated one up until the park closed a few years ago. http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/twisterchance.html -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... McCarthy was RIGHT! Behind every great man is a great woman... rolling her eyes. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 04 12:57:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59150 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 19:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 19:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f193.google.com) (209.85.222.193) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 19:57:35 -0000 X-Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so1174751pzk.27 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:56:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.85.202 with SMTP id p10mr2058991vcl.72.1244145394651; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:56:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: coastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (SFKK) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=aWRr_9kFZ1Z_-4FM6-G7v5K6hftYTMhkoCur-3R2A7scAG3ckUzQqSE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 After missing Holliwood Nights for the past two years, I had fully intended on being at the event this year. Unfortunately, my family sprung a wedding on me and, despite my attempt to get out of going, my parents were just not having that. So I took a few days off work around Memorial Day, and Rich and I decided to road trip it for a few days. Appropriately enough, after throwing around a few different options (SDC & WoF vs SFoG vs Hershey & DC), we ended up deciding to drive to Holiday World anyway...a week before the event. So while we missed what was apparently one of the best enthusiast events ever, we did get to visit a few parks I haven't been to in a few years. Rather than writing a point-by-point report of our trip, I'm just going to ramble a bit about my experiences with the different parks, the rides, and their operations I witnessed. I've reviewed all of these parks so many times in the past, that this is going to work a lot better (and be more interesting) than simply rating rides on some arbitrary scale. We left Madison on Friday night (May 22) at about 6pm. We were in Chicago by 9, where we stayed downtown and partied a bit too hard (and too late into the night!). I would never want to live there, but Chicago is one of my favorite cities to visit, so it was a nice addition to the trip. And we were somehow able to successfully avoid the major traffic backups that frequently plague the city on our way in and out. Anyway, we were back on the road by noon and on our way south toward Louisville. Rich was set on getting a Six Flags season pass at SFKK (ridiculously priced at $39 each), and I certainly wasn't opposed to that idea. Unfortunately, we hit major traffic delays due to construction just south of Indiana Beach on I-65, where we crawled at about 5mph for 45 minutes. Finally clear of that, we sped it toward Kentucky and were able to make it to the SFKK gate by 6:1b5. SIX FLAGS KENTUCKY KINGDOM - Saturday, May 23 Rating: 1/5 Six Flags must really hate this park. They've removed at least a dozen rides in the past few years while adding absolutely nothing but a couple of waterslides. The park is absolutely disgusting, with little to no regard to landscaping or upkeep. Operations are downright terrible - easily 2nd worst in the chain. Employees range from apathetic to dangerously incompetent. It's a terrible thing to say, but I was not at all surprised when I heard about the S:TOP accident a couple of years ago. And from what I've heard, many in the industry weren't too surprised either. The most surprising thing, though, is that all of the above has been going on for years. But while other Six Flags parks have cleaned up their act, SFKK seems to be the forgotten stepchild. The new regime certainly remembered all of the blatant new advertising around the park (from Kraft Mayo to Fastlane), but forgot about maintenance, landscaping, upkeep, employee training, guest service improvements, costumed characters, appropriate gate pricing, and so on. But I don't think it's really a mystery why all this has been set aside. When you walk past a clean, brightly painted & well-maintained waterpark in the middle of an amusement park that has been left to rot, I think Six Flags' intentions are clear. While I doubt we'll be seeing them tearing down Chang or Thunder Run anytime soon, I fully expect them to continue to remove rides while only expanding the waterpark. I'm sure they know a rotten egg when they see it. Two hours before the park closes and every ticket booths was empty. Meanwhile, there's a line at guest relations 20 people deep with one person working. A+ service all around. An oversized speaker system plays Fergie & Flo Rida at near-deafening levels from the front gate. Really just bizarre. Everyone in line at Guest Services was buying a season pass, and the ridiculously low price suddenly seemed to make sense. That's the only way they're going to guarantee anyone passes through the gate all season. I'd love to see some figures on season pass vs daily ticket sales. It wouldn't surprise me if those numbers are nearly equal, particularly when (after a 20-minute wait to buy tickets) we enter the park and see that the pass processing line is longer than all of the other lines in the park combined. We decided to come back after making a loop through the park. We passed the spot where the Rainbow formerly stood, and it's clearly gone for good, as the site is completely and permanently landscaped over. Strangely enough it's still drawn on the park map, but it's not labeled or numbered. I'm guessing it was a last-minute removal. We crossed the bridge and got in line for Chang. This is the ugliest area in already ugly park, and they've done nothing in the past five years to improve it. There was garbage all over the place under Chang, and not all of it was from park visitors (What are a couple of broken 2x4's doing laying in the mud under Chang's last flatspin? That's just lazy.) They were running both trains, but (of course) consistently stacking them. That said, they were still doing a decent enough job loading people and dispatching trains at decent intervals. The line was halfway down the stairs and only took about 10 minutes of waiting. You know a park has terrible operations when a sign at the bottom of the stairs to the station states it is a 30-minute wait from that point. Unbelievable. Despite trains that were in severe need of new padding on the OTSR's (I don't think they're supposed to be black!), we had a really good ride on Chang - smooth, fast, and forceful. It's too bad a ride like that is stuck in such a poor park. Continuing along the loop, we came to T2. The line was short and, since Rich had never ridden an SLC, we decided to give it a go. Operations were beyond atrocious. The second train spent more time sitting in the brake run than cycling the course. The crew managed to dispatch a train only about every 3-4 minutes. Keep in mind that T2 seats six less people than most SLC's, and you've got a large ride with a capacity less than a typical wild mouse (I calculated T2's at about 250pph). This is also just about the worst SLC out there in terms of the ride it gives. I don't know why some of these rides are relatively smooth, but this one feels like a paint shaker. Rich hated it. Penguin's Blizzard River was closed. I don't know if I would have ridden because I didn't necessarily want to get soaked, but it *is* a good rapids ride. I don't know if it's been kept up or not. Somehow I doubt it. We stopped by Thunder Run, but with only one train and a dispatch every 5 minutes, it wasn't even worth a wait from the bottom of the stairs. We crossed the bridge again to grab a ride on Greezed Lightnin'. The station was practically empty, so we were able to grab a ride in the back seat without waiting. Don't stand over, on, or anywhere near the yellow line or you will get screamed at by the ride operator. No joke. Look, I know the ride will set up if you mess with the gate. So re-design the gates, put up some signage, or train the operators to talk to guests politely. Screaming, "I will NOT start this ride until everyone stands back!" is not the way to go. The ride was good, but the braking is a bit too heavy to really enjoy the back spike. It's been like that ever since it was moved to Kentucky though (and very possibly before that). I think it's sad these have become so rare. Why hasn't Joyland reconstructed the Astroworld ride yet? That one was unbelievable. We walked back to the Season Pass processing building and, though it was just 30 minutes before the park closed, the line is still spilling out of the queue. Unfortunately, we had no choice but to wait through it. I did not pay close attention to how long it took, but it was at least thirty minutes - the longest I have ever waited to process a pass at any park. Ever. The cause of the hold-up? Guests had to enter their information (name, address, phone number, etc) on one of about ten computers. Apparently nobody in Kentucky had ever used a computer before, because it was a huge deal. We were done in about 60 seconds, which was longer than it took most people to realize that yes, the words show up on the screen when you push the buttons on the keyboard. Yes, it's amazing. No, it is not a new-fangled invention. It's not magic either. In any case, we got our passes and left the park. I won't be back anytime soon. But I will gladly use my $39 at other SF parks. I suppose it was worth it in the end because we saved quite a bit of money. It's too bad visiting SFKK has to be more of a chore than a pleasure. Next up: Holiday World -Nate From holyreality11@yahoo.com Thu Jun 04 15:52:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: holyreality11@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57215 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 22:52:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2009 22:52:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 22:52:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2009 22:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2009 22:52:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:51:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8d240fd50906010529o7e9d9501q3b5b3e624c55903b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.150.114.12 From: "holyreality11" Subject: Re: clones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=345687498; y=bozY13BLDqBnvSlxqynW8WbbYIXvVb6Tv4ph941iLxVIYYR69Qh3HA X-Yahoo-Profile: holyreality11 yes thank you,=20 hearsay had distorted the truth in my mind, i looked these rides up after d= iscussion and realized that they are quite different, is there a ride which Scream is a clone of ? i heard people saying often th= at was a clone of Medusa but slightly more compact, around when it was bein= g built, --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Lance Hart wrote: > > It's also worth mentioning that Scream's layout is entirely different fro= m > Medusa.Medusa at SFMW has more in common with Kraken than it does with > Scream I think. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:01 AM, george burnash wrote: >=20 > > > > > > holyreality11 wrote: > > > > > my main focus stated in a simple way is , > > > if you're going to buy a roller coaster, why not make it unique, > > original, > > > > > > what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is already > > > such a model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any > > > clones at all ? > > > > To save money that would otherwise be spent on research, development, > > and design. Why spend $15-18 million on a coaster when you can spend > > $10 million and get just as much coaster and in a design that has > > already proven to be popular? Those millions can add up. > > > > And outside of the small percentage of enthusiasts, the vast majority o= f > > people are completely unaware of when coasters are clones of other > > coasters. And if 98% of the people don't care or are oblivious enough > > to not know, then why should you spend several million more dollars to > > make people happy that may not ever visit your park anyways? > > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > (speaking of clones, I need to get my pictures uploaded from Star Wars > > Weekend) > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------ > > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Jun 04 22:30:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74780 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2009 05:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2009 05:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 05:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2009 05:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2009 05:30:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:30:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.189.66 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: clones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Lg7EJYp3aisEPxP8DKHxXesj7RLE3jk6aGFclbdL4ukCZwec6w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Scream! is a clone of the Medusa at 6FGAdv, which has been recently retheme= d and renamed as Bizzaro.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "holyreality11" wrote: > > yes thank you,=20 > hearsay had distorted the truth in my mind, i looked these rides up after= discussion and realized that they are quite different, >=20 > is there a ride which Scream is a clone of ? i heard people saying often = that was a clone of Medusa but slightly more compact, around when it was be= ing built, > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Lance Hart wrote: > > > > It's also worth mentioning that Scream's layout is entirely different f= rom > > Medusa.Medusa at SFMW has more in common with Kraken than it does with > > Scream I think. > >=20 > >=20 > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:01 AM, george burnash wrote: > >=20 > > > > > > > > > holyreality11 wrote: > > > > > > > my main focus stated in a simple way is , > > > > if you're going to buy a roller coaster, why not make it unique, > > > original, > > > > > > > > what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is alread= y > > > > such a model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any > > > > clones at all ? > > > > > > To save money that would otherwise be spent on research, development, > > > and design. Why spend $15-18 million on a coaster when you can spend > > > $10 million and get just as much coaster and in a design that has > > > already proven to be popular? Those millions can add up. > > > > > > And outside of the small percentage of enthusiasts, the vast majority= of > > > people are completely unaware of when coasters are clones of other > > > coasters. And if 98% of the people don't care or are oblivious enough > > > to not know, then why should you spend several million more dollars t= o > > > make people happy that may not ever visit your park anyways? > > > > > > keep on ridin' > > > George > > > (speaking of clones, I need to get my pictures uploaded from Star War= s > > > Weekend) > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------ > > > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > > >=20=20 > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Jun 05 09:35:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60176 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2009 16:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2009 16:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f174.google.com) (209.85.221.174) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 16:34:55 -0000 X-Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so2425980qyk.20 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.133 with SMTP id g5mr964885iba.27.1244219635398; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:33:55 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906050933w7530be27w15a985666e26f003@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (SFKK) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=ad5yXPPKEITXh4XomoX57skerXHwDsBgrBe5wD6HbKgy8aA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I've been to SFKK on three occasions. The first was the Friday before the last Stark Raven Mad in 2003. The second was the Saturday morning of that same 03 SRM. The last time I went was on the Saturday of Holliwood Nights in 2007. I kind of like the park, but it has serious issues. My first visit was very brief. One of my road trip partners and I took the short detour on our way from cinncinati for the lame morning at PKI. The lines for everything were long, the place was crowded, dispatches were pathetic, the place was gross, it really just sucked. We only went on 2 rides: greased lightning, which was my first shwartzcough shuttle looper and I really, really enjoyed it. And the infamous drop tower. That drop tower was awesome. Is it uncouth to mention how serious the feet-choppers on that ride were? The breaks didn't kick in until you were almost to the ground, and the queue covering seems really close. It's really sad that the ride eventually lived up to this. The next day I headed back to SFKK with my sister and her now-husband. They had come down from Chicago to meet me at SRM and wanted the super cheap season passes. Those prices are really unbeatable. We had an excellent day. The weather was beautiful, for some reason the park was 1/2 as full as it was the previous day, the clean up crews did a really thorough job from the day before, and the ride operators (while not the most efficient) were 10x better and nicer than the crew yesterday. For all the problems the park has, they do still have some fun rides. Thunder Run was glorious. It's a shame how bad KD's Hurler sucked in relation to it. Twisted Sisters kind of sucked, but it was an alright ride. Chang was great, Greased Lightning was really good, and the rollerskater was a lot of fun too. Then on my 07 trip Erin and I went on Saturday after spending a few hours at Beech Bend, and the place was disgusting. There were always problems with dead ends and confusing pathways, severely increased by that horrible bridge connecting the two sides. And then add all of the closed/removed rides and blocked off pathways that were on the map. We rode Chang, the SLC (which was the worst one I've ever been on), and then spent almost an hour trying to figure out how to get over to thunder run. We were eventually kicked out of the park because of some buyout going on, and only got those two rides in. I was pretty angry when we left. On the plus side, we got Erin a super cheap season pass. And if you pay attention around December, six flags usually has a huge sale where you can renew passes for dirt cheap. I think this year I paid $35 for Erin's pass, and it was around the same last year. The best part is we never have to go back to SFKK to process the pass because she's already in their system. Thanks for the report though, it really captured the crappiness and frustration that is SFKK. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wro= te: > > > After missing Holliwood Nights for the past two years, I had fully > intended on being at the event this year. Unfortunately, my family > sprung a wedding on me and, despite my attempt to get out of going, my > parents were just not having that. So I took a few days off work > around Memorial Day, and Rich and I decided to road trip it for a few > days. > > Appropriately enough, after throwing around a few different options > (SDC & WoF vs SFoG vs Hershey & DC), we ended up deciding to drive to > Holiday World anyway...a week before the event. So while we missed > what was apparently one of the best enthusiast events ever, we did get > to visit a few parks I haven't been to in a few years. Rather than > writing a point-by-point report of our trip, I'm just going to ramble > a bit about my experiences with the different parks, the rides, and > their operations I witnessed. I've reviewed all of these parks so > many times in the past, that this is going to work a lot better (and > be more interesting) than simply rating rides on some arbitrary scale. > > We left Madison on Friday night (May 22) at about 6pm. We were in > Chicago by 9, where we stayed downtown and partied a bit too hard (and > too late into the night!). I would never want to live there, but > Chicago is one of my favorite cities to visit, so it was a nice > addition to the trip. And we were somehow able to successfully avoid > the major traffic backups that frequently plague the city on our way > in and out. > > Anyway, we were back on the road by noon and on our way south toward > Louisville. Rich was set on getting a Six Flags season pass at SFKK > (ridiculously priced at $39 each), and I certainly wasn't opposed to > that idea. Unfortunately, we hit major traffic delays due to > construction just south of Indiana Beach on I-65, where we crawled at > about 5mph for 45 minutes. Finally clear of that, we sped it toward > Kentucky and were able to make it to the SFKK gate by 6:1b5. > > SIX FLAGS KENTUCKY KINGDOM - Saturday, May 23 > Rating: 1/5 > > Six Flags must really hate this park. They've removed at least a > dozen rides in the past few years while adding absolutely nothing but > a couple of waterslides. The park is absolutely disgusting, with > little to no regard to landscaping or upkeep. Operations are > downright terrible - easily 2nd worst in the chain. Employees range > from apathetic to dangerously incompetent. It's a terrible thing to > say, but I was not at all surprised when I heard about the S:TOP > accident a couple of years ago. And from what I've heard, many in the > industry weren't too surprised either. > > The most surprising thing, though, is that all of the above has been > going on for years. But while other Six Flags parks have cleaned up > their act, SFKK seems to be the forgotten stepchild. The new regime > certainly remembered all of the blatant new advertising around the > park (from Kraft Mayo to Fastlane), but forgot about maintenance, > landscaping, upkeep, employee training, guest service improvements, > costumed characters, appropriate gate pricing, and so on. But I don't > think it's really a mystery why all this has been set aside. When you > walk past a clean, brightly painted & well-maintained waterpark in the > middle of an amusement park that has been left to rot, I think Six > Flags' intentions are clear. While I doubt we'll be seeing them > tearing down Chang or Thunder Run anytime soon, I fully expect them to > continue to remove rides while only expanding the waterpark. I'm sure > they know a rotten egg when they see it. > > Two hours before the park closes and every ticket booths was empty. > Meanwhile, there's a line at guest relations 20 people deep with one > person working. A+ service all around. An oversized speaker system > plays Fergie & Flo Rida at near-deafening levels from the front gate. > Really just bizarre. Everyone in line at Guest Services was buying a > season pass, and the ridiculously low price suddenly seemed to make > sense. That's the only way they're going to guarantee anyone passes > through the gate all season. I'd love to see some figures on season > pass vs daily ticket sales. It wouldn't surprise me if those numbers > are nearly equal, particularly when (after a 20-minute wait to buy > tickets) we enter the park and see that the pass processing line is > longer than all of the other lines in the park combined. > > We decided to come back after making a loop through the park. We > passed the spot where the Rainbow formerly stood, and it's clearly > gone for good, as the site is completely and permanently landscaped > over. Strangely enough it's still drawn on the park map, but it's not > labeled or numbered. I'm guessing it was a last-minute removal. We > crossed the bridge and got in line for Chang. This is the ugliest > area in already ugly park, and they've done nothing in the past five > years to improve it. There was garbage all over the place under > Chang, and not all of it was from park visitors (What are a couple of > broken 2x4's doing laying in the mud under Chang's last flatspin? > That's just lazy.) > > They were running both trains, but (of course) consistently stacking > them. That said, they were still doing a decent enough job loading > people and dispatching trains at decent intervals. The line was > halfway down the stairs and only took about 10 minutes of waiting. > You know a park has terrible operations when a sign at the bottom of > the stairs to the station states it is a 30-minute wait from that > point. Unbelievable. Despite trains that were in severe need of new > padding on the OTSR's (I don't think they're supposed to be black!), > we had a really good ride on Chang - smooth, fast, and forceful. It's > too bad a ride like that is stuck in such a poor park. > > Continuing along the loop, we came to T2. The line was short and, > since Rich had never ridden an SLC, we decided to give it a go. > Operations were beyond atrocious. The second train spent more time > sitting in the brake run than cycling the course. The crew managed to > dispatch a train only about every 3-4 minutes. Keep in mind that T2 > seats six less people than most SLC's, and you've got a large ride > with a capacity less than a typical wild mouse (I calculated T2's at > about 250pph). This is also just about the worst SLC out there in > terms of the ride it gives. I don't know why some of these rides are > relatively smooth, but this one feels like a paint shaker. Rich hated > it. > > Penguin's Blizzard River was closed. I don't know if I would have > ridden because I didn't necessarily want to get soaked, but it *is* a > good rapids ride. I don't know if it's been kept up or not. Somehow > I doubt it. > > We stopped by Thunder Run, but with only one train and a dispatch > every 5 minutes, it wasn't even worth a wait from the bottom of the > stairs. We crossed the bridge again to grab a ride on Greezed > Lightnin'. The station was practically empty, so we were able to grab > a ride in the back seat without waiting. Don't stand over, on, or > anywhere near the yellow line or you will get screamed at by the ride > operator. No joke. Look, I know the ride will set up if you mess > with the gate. So re-design the gates, put up some signage, or train > the operators to talk to guests politely. Screaming, "I will NOT > start this ride until everyone stands back!" is not the way to go. > > The ride was good, but the braking is a bit too heavy to really enjoy > the back spike. It's been like that ever since it was moved to > Kentucky though (and very possibly before that). I think it's sad > these have become so rare. Why hasn't Joyland reconstructed the > Astroworld ride yet? That one was unbelievable. > > We walked back to the Season Pass processing building and, though it > was just 30 minutes before the park closed, the line is still spilling > out of the queue. Unfortunately, we had no choice but to wait through > it. I did not pay close attention to how long it took, but it was at > least thirty minutes - the longest I have ever waited to process a > pass at any park. Ever. The cause of the hold-up? Guests had to > enter their information (name, address, phone number, etc) on one of > about ten computers. Apparently nobody in Kentucky had ever used a > computer before, because it was a huge deal. We were done in about 60 > seconds, which was longer than it took most people to realize that > yes, the words show up on the screen when you push the buttons on the > keyboard. Yes, it's amazing. No, it is not a new-fangled invention. > It's not magic either. > > In any case, we got our passes and left the park. I won't be back > anytime soon. But I will gladly use my $39 at other SF parks. I > suppose it was worth it in the end because we saved quite a bit of > money. It's too bad visiting SFKK has to be more of a chore than a > pleasure. > > Next up: Holiday World > > -Nate > >=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jun 05 18:45:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69142 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 01:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 01:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 01:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 01:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 01:45:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:45:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.224.215 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: build your own roller coaster? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=HmVDOKHD1A7h19hRiVKidk_lghwQ1DpdQLLfJTE7Fwx8uptlDU5S X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Really? I have no idea which ride you're referring to. Do you have more= information on this ride? < I'll have to look it up. It's in Cartmell's book (which is still packed in= a box somewhere...). I can still see the layout in my mind. It looked so= tantalizing! When I find the picture, I'll post it. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jun 05 19:11:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23641 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 02:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 02:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 02:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 02:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 02:11:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:11:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.224.215 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: That Miller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=uA3Bu4poXHM13acsbhDw-V3RWfgAjsElrLs4FPnoCvy2pPAFAJgu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I found the picture of that coaster in Guatemala: It's a pretty impressive terrain coaster. But the Miller ride that was stu= ck in my head was actually built in Kentucky and displayed an absolutely ma= sterful use of the terrain: If these links don't work, just go to the Miscellaneous group photo section= . Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Jun 05 22:50:37 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26779 invoked by uid 7800); 6 Jun 2009 05:50:30 -0000 Date: 6 Jun 2009 05:50:30 -0000 Message-ID: <1244267430.538.26759.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=64VvuLvV3CN6siAvyCBzpsmNUM6TSJC1244267421-1" --YCalReminder=64VvuLvV3CN6siAvyCBzpsmNUM6TSJC1244267421-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=64VvuLvV3CN6siAvyCBzpsmNUM6TSJC1244267421-1-- From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jun 06 12:49:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15296 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 19:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 19:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 19:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 19:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 19:49:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:49:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.75.188 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=dqW5hSdq6WoLm2mG-Y6kJ60hbNRCX1o146WtSB13YHhM-kqWjokz X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "holyreality11" wrote: > what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is already > su= ch a model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any=20 > clones at all ? I know it doesn't make much sense from a coaster enthusiast's standpoint, b= ut most of the visitors to SFMM are SoCal locals who've never been to SFDK,= and, likewise, most visitors to SFDK are NorCal locals who've never been t= o SFMM. I mean, obviously there's a sliding scale for these things... probably more= Northern Californians have been to SFMM than Southern Californians have be= en to SFDK. But remember, even as far back as 1978, Knott's opened up Montezooma's Reve= nge, a clone of Great America's Tidal Wave. As a kid growing up in Southern= California (I was born in 1973), I never once heard anybody mention that t= he same ride was available up in Santa Clara. The Northern and Southern Cal= ifornia parks are more than 300 miles apart. Not much distance to a coaster= enthusiast, but most customers won't be that familiar with rides at a park= that far away. So, yeah, it is about profit, since it costs less to design a ride once and= build it multiple times. They are running a business. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Jun 06 12:58:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27931 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 19:58:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 19:58:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 19:58:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 19:58:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 19:58:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:58:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.75.188 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: MISC: That Miller coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=nwArj9Aps45SqSNFJ1lbpgxsKZJz8Y2W5-rA2acoJbOwpQ5eahKK X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" = wrote: > > I found the picture of that coaster in Guatemala: Oh wow, that looks awesome... and in Guatemala, of all places! Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From holyreality11@yahoo.com Sat Jun 06 18:35:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: holyreality11@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40730 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2009 01:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2009 01:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2009 01:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2009 01:35:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2009 01:35:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:35:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.150.114.12 From: "holyreality11" Subject: Re: old time Collossus X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=345687498; y=diKiekilQHBZG5YIw9PE3U4T9Q5XS_0TzukSn7onxpP3IwlthBSwwg X-Yahoo-Profile: holyreality11 Hm, that is true,=20 of course them running a business is partly why they've encountered so many= problems, as per the entire world,=20 pull money out of it and put heart in it, what do you get ? something that = inexplicably works well,=20 as for shuttle loops, it is understandable that they would appear in many d= ifferent places, but with a tangible roller coaster experience as per most = coasters, individuality is a wonderful thing,=20 MM is not poor at all, their ability to build new coasters is tremendous in= magnitude, so it would stand to reason that other SF parks that might be m= ore impoverished in modern thrills would receive clones, not MM, that the public will put up with tomfoolery and praise what is not praisewo= rthy because of the loudness (Scream is a nice ride though) of insurgent ad= vertisements, is no excuse to compromise Quality *for instance, Ghostrider is the best ride in the world i've been on , and = if a new wooden coaster were to be built near me, i'd like it to be somethi= ng completely different, but just as wonderful in its own way, i would not = want a million of them everywhere,=20 and this patterning is not proper,=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani" = wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "holyreality11" wrote: >=20 > > what goodness does scream have other than profit if there is already > = such a model in the same state, or even in the world ? why have any=20 > > clones at all ? >=20 > I know it doesn't make much sense from a coaster enthusiast's standpoint,= but most of the visitors to SFMM are SoCal locals who've never been to SFD= K, and, likewise, most visitors to SFDK are NorCal locals who've never been= to SFMM. >=20 > I mean, obviously there's a sliding scale for these things... probably mo= re Northern Californians have been to SFMM than Southern Californians have = been to SFDK. >=20 > But remember, even as far back as 1978, Knott's opened up Montezooma's Re= venge, a clone of Great America's Tidal Wave. As a kid growing up in Southe= rn California (I was born in 1973), I never once heard anybody mention that= the same ride was available up in Santa Clara. The Northern and Southern C= alifornia parks are more than 300 miles apart. Not much distance to a coast= er enthusiast, but most customers won't be that familiar with rides at a pa= rk that far away. >=20 > So, yeah, it is about profit, since it costs less to design a ride once a= nd build it multiple times. They are running a business. >=20 > Adam > http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 06 22:51:49 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40158 invoked by uid 7800); 7 Jun 2009 05:51:46 -0000 Date: 7 Jun 2009 05:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <1244353906.9.40157.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=aZPHmu3E5yhJuOcBpBZLut0Jaf7AX1244353832-1" --YCalReminder=aZPHmu3E5yhJuOcBpBZLut0Jaf7AX1244353832-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Six Flags Over Georgia opened Sunday June 7, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=aZPHmu3E5yhJuOcBpBZLut0Jaf7AX1244353832-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 06 22:51:49 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40128 invoked by uid 7800); 7 Jun 2009 05:51:45 -0000 Date: 7 Jun 2009 05:51:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1244353905.9.40127.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=aZztc0dBIeTXJ2yPojQcjPA1244353832-1" --YCalReminder=aZztc0dBIeTXJ2yPojQcjPA1244353832-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Legoland Billund opened Sunday June 7, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Billund, Jylland, Denmark Notes: On this date in 1968, Legoland Billund opened its gates in Billund, Jylland, Denmark. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=aZztc0dBIeTXJ2yPojQcjPA1244353832-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=aZztc0dBIeTXJ2yPojQcjPA1244353832-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 07 22:51:41 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46061 invoked by uid 7800); 8 Jun 2009 05:51:37 -0000 Date: 8 Jun 2009 05:51:37 -0000 Message-ID: <1244440297.10.46060.m4@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=bzdP4MQdm5X1XIRQzTPOjZ44eJCfAFN1244440253-1" --YCalReminder=bzdP4MQdm5X1XIRQzTPOjZ44eJCfAFN1244440253-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Lost Coaster of Superstition Mountain opened Monday June 8, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Monticello, Indiana Notes: Lost Coaster of Superstition Mountain opened on this date in 2002, at Indiana Beach in Monticello, IN. It was originally an electrically powered dark ride built by Indiana Beach in 1978. It was extensively renovated by Custom Coasters, Inc. into a roller coaster. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=bzdP4MQdm5X1XIRQzTPOjZ44eJCfAFN1244440253-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=bzdP4MQdm5X1XIRQzTPOjZ44eJCfAFN1244440253-1-- From coastermanokc@cox.net Mon Jun 08 21:17:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15351 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 04:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 04:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.240.47) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 04:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090609041743.KNKA8364.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 00:17:43 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([72.198.101.44]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 1gHi1c00A0xUTcg02gHiDs; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:17:43 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5_QcIMRSf4sNVmirw_YA:9 a=FV2VSUUWm9g6XO0DwKDzfFbU9aIA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=-e1XtfZY-tFdGdVnemMA:9 a=N2zSyV2t8AdeSIqbdi8A:7 a=lseLARS2zlrt9Zs809A2BoZtlicA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 To: Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:17:34 -0500 Message-ID: <8F5A8CB7DB0E496595451A0C296589E3@jorgemaindell> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnouTYyt9x7UifwQfiK7KuQQFkU3g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: bradford trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=YutQqjPG4WiOvmSp9xaCkmaOHUlC7IoJFfdHrBgKWrWogdJKa4iHqw X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First off sorry about the long absence. Second I am very soon going to go to an event in Bradford PA. Currently I am leaning towards going to Waldameer Park but wanted to get your input about that vs. Darien Lake (I would be going to either one from about 3ish to closing on July 3rd). Thanks in advance for any input. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Mon Jun 08 23:10:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32244 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 06:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 06:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 06:09:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-d02.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a2dfca92a4; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:09:45 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d27.3102a2b5 (37581) for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 02:09:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.102] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB056-92cd4a2dfca12df; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: <4A2DFC29.8080809@aol.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:07:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <8F5A8CB7DB0E496595451A0C296589E3@jorgemaindell> In-Reply-To: <8F5A8CB7DB0E496595451A0C296589E3@jorgemaindell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] bradford trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=neVrjYs0WTZjBeE3l_1GcT4Hsj5a6n-O3IzPurGsWQ46kILXrw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Michael Lopez wrote: > First off sorry about the long absence. Second I am very soon going to go to > an event in Bradford PA. Currently I am leaning towards going to Waldameer > Park but wanted to get your input about that vs. Darien Lake (I would be > going to either one from about 3ish to closing on July 3rd). Thanks in > advance for any input. > > > > Michael Lopez > > Waldameer, without a doupt, unless you are really into waterparks (though Waldameer's is nice too). RF II is very much worth the trip. I would suggest swinging by Conneaut Lake Park on the way up there as well. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 09 14:47:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47860 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 21:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 21:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f184.google.com) (209.85.221.184) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 21:47:50 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so470335qyk.29 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.84.81 with SMTP id i17mr819749vcl.12.1244583957615; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:45:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: coastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=dBDN83etDj6iwWE1b8qfMCKCz94OOh_ynJiCFDgBVp8VDppCYlPht4w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 After spending the night in Louisville (which is surprisingly nice city, by the way!), we left for Holiday World at about 11am. We had to stop at a grocery store on the way to pick up some canned goods. But even so, because we were crossing from Eastern to Central time, we arrived at about the same time we left. I enjoy that. HOLIDAY WORLD - Sunday, May 24 Rating: 4/5 Holiday World was running a nice promotion where you got $5 in Holibucks for donating three canned goods. Figuring we would probably eat in the park at some point, we saved some money there. We also got $7 per ticket for bringing a Pepsi can. Not too bad at all. This is the first time I had visited Holiday World on a non-event night since 2000. It was Rich's first visit period. The Raven lot was completely full, and the Legend lot wasn't hurting for cars either. I was a bit worried that we would spend the day waiting in line, but it wasn't nearly as bad as expected. Overall, aside from a lengthy wait for Pilgrim's Plunge, we spent less time in line than we would have during an "ERT" night. Go figure. We started with the Raven, which was running a bit sluggish. If I hadn't already experienced this coaster at its peak, I would have had a hard time picturing how anyone could call this a #1 coaster. Don't get me wrong, it was smooth, and the airtime was there, and the setting is great. But it becomes an entirely different beast at night. By day, this is more of a family coaster (and easily the tamest of the three wooden coasters at the park). Legend was next, and it delivered one of the best rides I'd had in years. Smooth, fast, powerful, and relentless. The wolf howl is back on the top of the lift (it was absent during my last HWN). I still do not like the helix at all; I think it really interrupts the ride's pacing and is largely uncomfortable. But the rest of the ride is a blast. We pulled into the brakes, and Rich exclaimed, "That thing hauls ass!" He had no idea... We walked down to Voyage and waited just a few trains for the back row. This is such a freakin' amazing ride, and there just aren't enough words to accurately describe how excellent it is. Like the other two wooden coasters, it runs a bit slower during the day. But as far as I'm concerned, it is still without a doubt the number 1 wooden coaster on the planet, day or night. There are two jarringly rough spots (halfway up the third hill and just after the last 90* banked turn), which is a bit surprising this early in the season. On the other hand, I can't imagine what it's like to try to maintain such a massive ride that must be constantly tearing its track apart. That only two points are what I would call "rough" might be considered quite an accomplishment! There was also a disgusting stench in the 2nd tunnel (not Holiday World's fault, just sayin...). We spent a little bit of time in the waterpark, but only got rides on Zinga & Jungle Racers before it got really cold and rainy. But before changing back out of our swim suits, we decided to take a ride on Pilgrim's Plunge. I know Holiday World has had their share of trouble with this ride (not that it's really a surprise...), and I doubt the problems will be over anytime soon. I'm not sure why, but it opened late during our visit. When we finally got over there, the entire queue was full. And even with a conveyer in the station, the wait was about 45 minutes (ouch). According to their website, Holiday World has 5 boats for the ride. To me, it seems like they could use twice that many. At times there were three boats in the station loading, but then there would be long periods of time where the station sat empty. There's no way the capacity was anywhere near 1000pph (by my count, they were averaging about one boat or less every minute). Either the ride is longer than they anticipated, or they weren't running all 5 boats. I didn't count. The area around the ride looks decent, but not amazing. There really needs to be some trees or shade. I do like the outside of station. I do not like all of the concrete surrounding the ride (especially the ugly concrete tunnel/trench that connects to Splashin' Safari). The inside of the station and queue looks completely unfinished (quite honestly, it looks like the inside of a picnic pavilion or barn, large rafters and all). The enormous fan was cool though...probably the largest I've ever seen. The ride itself is very blah. Slow, meandering trip out to the lift with nothing to see. I've heard many say the lift is unnerving, but it didn't bother me in the least. The drop is the very definition of ramp - long, forceless, and unexciting. The splash is tiny. Somehow they managed to build the tallest water ride in the world while also making it the most unimpressive. Perhaps that's what they were going for, and people seemed to be eating it up. But I thought it was a really missed opportunity to build a really great ride. For what it's worth, Rich thought it was a waste. We took a few more rides on Voyage and Raven before we left. One of those Voyage rides was very clearly faster and more intense than the others. I don't know why - perhaps it was just a difference in trains - but Rich noticed it too. All of our rides were good. That one was amazing. It made me really sad we were not going to get to HWN. I guess there's always next year. That's really about all we did at Holiday World. None of their flats are unusual or appealing to me, so we didn't do any of that. Gobbler Getaway had a long line all day, and I wasn't up for waiting. We did spend our $10 in Holibucks on a lunch at the newer Plymouth Rock Cafe. To be honest, it was pretty gross. Rich got a turkey leg and I got some ham. He complained his tasted like ham (maybe they're supposed to??). My ham was dry and discolored. The mashed potatoes were tasty, but also full of butter. The other sides were just OK. It looked and tasted a lot like cafeteria/hospital food. I'd recommend skipping it. Operations throughout the day were acceptable, but not great. Raven and Legend frequently stacked with two trains (which is somewhat understandable with the Raven, not so much with Legend). There were two trains on the Voyage, stacking only occasionally. This was okay for an early season weekend. Hopefully they speed up a bit by peak season though. I noticed that operators and attendants are longer crossing the track in the station (a good sign). I suppose this review sounds a bit negative and like I'm unnecessarily ragging on Holiday World. That's not really the truth. We both enjoyed our visit a lot. The waterpark is large, and there's a lot to do (unfortunately, the weather did not cooperate). The wooden coasters have no equals. The park is clean and the staff is friendly enough (but maybe not as friendly as you may be led to believe). Plus, who can argue with free sunscreen, free parking, free soda, etc? But I've experienced Holiday World at its best, and it's probably hard to live up to event days. And I do think there's room for both improvement (food) and criticism (Pilgrims Plunge). I'm excited to see how the park will expand over the next ten years. I think they've done a lot of great things over the years, and the Voyage is just ridiculous. Enthusiasts have a relationship with Holiday World that occasionally borders on worship. Some of the love is justified, and some of it is rose-colored glasses. It's obviously a great park, but it's not without faults. I'm guessing that a new steel coaster is on the way sooner rather than later. 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Eastern Daylight Time, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com writes: "LeSourdsville Lake will be closed in the interim while we are seeking a new management company.". This park is in my region. I don't know why that tag line disclaimer in there. They have no intentions of ever re-opening Lesourdsville Lake as an amusement park. The only things left are, of course the wood coaster, the log flume, the rug slide, Calypso, and the car ride. Everything else is gone, been sold or whatever. The park is gone forever, unfortunately. **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jun 10 09:17:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73385 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2009 16:17:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2009 16:17:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2009 16:17:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2009 16:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2009 16:17:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:17:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=-MRV-JNg9bkkVruv1J-GICFJnWH7NRCun4UyF87DmdIq5aKaC8jC X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > We had > to stop at a grocery store on the way to pick up some canned goods. Yeah Nate... "canned goods." Just like I bring back "Glasswares from Canad= a" when I work. =20 > Holiday World was running a nice promotion where you got $5 in > Holibucks for donating three canned goods.=20=20 What? Oh... nevermind... > This is the first time I had visited Holiday World on a non-event > night since 2000. It was Rich's first visit period. The Raven lot > was completely full, and the Legend lot wasn't hurting for cars > either. I was a bit worried that we would spend the day waiting in > line, but it wasn't nearly as bad as expected. Overall, aside from a > lengthy wait for Pilgrim's Plunge, we spent less time in line than we > would have during an "ERT" night. Go figure. The 2x I've been on non event days it's also been full, but most of the peo= ple are in the waterpark. If you can avoid the coasters for the first 2 ho= urs or so, people ride them first, then move to the WP. My last time at HW was at HWN with all of you guys, the year Voyage opened.= .. > There was also a disgusting stench in the > 2nd tunnel (not Holiday World's fault, just sayin...). But it would be the parks fault if it was Six Flags... or if Cameron was wr= iting this, if it was CF. (sorry, always gotta bust Cam for the CP hate...= ) > Gobbler > Getaway had a long line all day, and I wasn't up for waiting.=20=20 And Janice wasn't there to entertain you with her dancing and turkey calls.= .. Not a lot of feedback from me, but I did love the TR Nate. Makes me want t= o go to HWN next year. William will be tall enough by then, so we will def= initely plan on it. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Jun 10 12:09:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12042 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2009 19:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2009 19:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2009 19:09:15 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so563142qwe.3 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:08:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.98.194 with SMTP id r2mr1444868vcn.49.1244660895217; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:08:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:08:15 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=pU59lpNewwXQW-gGJpZYScSZv6PLXReiysOKgOhMAgLAsWRbL-a06Ds X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Yeah Nate... "canned goods." Just like I bring back "Glasswares from Canada" > when I work. What am I missing that comes in cans? And can you get it in Kentucky? :) >> Gobbler >> Getaway had a long line all day, and I wasn't up for waiting. > > And Janice wasn't there to entertain you with her dancing and turkey > calls... No, but I did kind of want Rich to see the creepy grandma. > Not a lot of feedback from me, but I did love the TR Nate. Makes me want to > go to HWN next year. William will be tall enough by then, so we will > definitely plan on it. Awesome. Hope we can all make it this time! -Nate From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Jun 10 12:19:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52751 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2009 19:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2009 19:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.221.178) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2009 19:19:21 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so1407977qyk.19 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:18:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.38.197 with SMTP id c5mr589022ibe.3.1244661499018; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:18:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30906101218s2ac33c0eqd36348450d5fba25@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=rMRGS9Q7Bqd4c_bpiavSOsN5ChrJSFZ6KrQlapwccdfKniT5 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >>> Gobbler >>> Getaway had a long line all day, and I wasn't up for waiting. >> >> And Janice wasn't there to entertain you with her dancing and turkey >> calls... > > No, but I did kind of want Rich to see the creepy grandma. I don't have as many issues with the grandma.. It's the cat in her lap that has forearms that freaks me out every time... From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 11 09:55:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68527 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 16:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 16:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 16:55:14 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so966243qwd.21 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:54:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.85.198 with SMTP id p6mr2364761vcl.48.1244739271558; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:54:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906050933w7530be27w15a985666e26f003@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0906050933w7530be27w15a985666e26f003@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (SFKK) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=A2ZH6vaGMvr94u8KhV2z7ve-t9s9nbbJ3PVRvsfa_FR_VARpo06PsOI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Just getting to this reply now... > I kind of like the park, but it has serious issues. I liked SFKK the first time I visited (summer of 2000) but have liked it less and less on each visit. At this point, there are only a couple of standout rides, and it's not worth the pain and hassle of visiting. > greased lightning, which was my first shwartzcough shuttle > looper and I really, really enjoyed it. Have you been on a Flywheel launched version (SFAW's or Knott's)? They are seriously amazing. > That drop tower was awesome. Is it uncouth to mention how serious the > feet-choppers on that ride were? The breaks didn't kick in until you > were almost to the ground, and the queue covering seems really close. Perhaps it's uncouth, but you're absolutely right. That drop tower was ridiculously good - probably my favorite in the country. It's too bad it's been scrapped entirely rather than relocated, but I suppose Six Flags didn't have much of a choice. > Thunder Run was glorious. It's a shame > how bad KD's Hurler sucked in relation to it. Hurler is a horrible, horrible ride. I don't think Thunder Run is amazing or anything, but the difference between those two rides is unbelievable. At least TR is smooth. > We rode Chang, the SLC (which was the worst one I've ever been > on), and then spent almost an hour trying to figure out how to get > over to thunder run. It's even worse now that a quarter of the park is blocked off for some unexplained reason. It's kind of funny because you wouldn't even know there's another coaster, a shoot-the-chutes, and some flat rides back there if you didn't already know. But now everyone has to pass through that narrow path under Thunder Run, and I think the layout is even more confusing. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 11 10:05:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75331 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 17:05:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 17:05:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 17:05:31 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so916206qwd.39 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:04:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.77.17 with SMTP id e17mr2377828vck.3.1244739887871; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:04:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8F5A8CB7DB0E496595451A0C296589E3@jorgemaindell> References: <8F5A8CB7DB0E496595451A0C296589E3@jorgemaindell> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:04:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] bradford trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=JqkrEtKPc4LKxysKTmdJczu3-vrSeYYhStZtSNN1_Pk0WwiIdLh-9ng X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I am very soon going to go to > an event in Bradford PA. Currently I am leaning towards going to Waldameer > Park but wanted to get your input about that vs. Darien Lake (I would be > going to either one from about 3ish to closing on July 3rd). Have you been to either of those parks in the past? I've heard Ravine Flyer is good. But Superman (er...Ride of Steel) is amazing. Beyond those rides, though, neither park has too much to offer. Waldameer has a small family wooden coaster and a spinning coaster. Darien Lake has an SLC, a Boomerang, an Arrow looper, a pretty crappy wooden coaster, and a new motocoaster. If more coasters=better for you, Darien Lake is the obvious choice. If you like flats, Darien Lake also has a bunch that are fairly hard to find elsewhere. Waldameer's flat ride offerings seem pretty standard (although they do have a dark ride). Waldameer is slightly cheaper (though only by about $5). If I were you, I'd probably make the choice based on Ravine Flyer vs Ride of Steel. If you really love airtime-filled hypercoasters, go to Darien. If you really love wooden coasters, go to Waldameer. if you've never been on an Intamin hyper, it's definitely worth checking it out. -Nate From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Jun 11 10:48:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97238 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 17:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 17:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao101.cox.net) (68.230.240.7) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 17:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090611174729.DOBG20709.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:47:29 -0400 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([72.198.101.44]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 2hnW1c0030xUTcg02hnWEn; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:47:30 -0400 X-VR-Score: -20.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QclM-wV2ZhEA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=N2kRpeTgLT0lQMwlt2IA:9 a=17Fb6nJzcW4P1IPxGXrDK7eQRH8A:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=beTIaEvmu0pKpxeX0ywA:9 a=ErY5cS4B7-sMlvLVM1UA:7 a=HEs-o5IET6z5a70ejVJnh-S6S9wA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 To: References: <8F5A8CB7DB0E496595451A0C296589E3@jorgemaindell> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: <4A58C8C5040E432B8263F4D9E15176FF@jorgemaindell> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcnqtuX46jrpVSwpSNO+7vONTfOC8wABA2Yg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] bradford trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=PAXB3pIOw-zIgOYfpOGP5KooEBgRNyDQjwcJ4eoBJD3zt5X1EaIgjw X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before you sent this email I decided to do Waldameer BECAUSE it is a fairly small park (3ish is the earliest I will be able to get to either park) and I think Darien Lake would be too big to spend half a day at (especially it being the start of the Fourth of July weekend. And no I have not been to either park. Somewhat off topic how large are the crowds at Niagara Falls in the mornings because I want to try to see them quickly before I have to leave for my flight (which is just after 4 on July 4). . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 11 11:18:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73127 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 18:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 18:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f189.google.com) (209.85.221.189) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 18:18:46 -0000 X-Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so2722947qyk.2 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:17:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.81.74 with SMTP id w10mr2522126vck.29.1244744265497; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:17:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A58C8C5040E432B8263F4D9E15176FF@jorgemaindell> References: <8F5A8CB7DB0E496595451A0C296589E3@jorgemaindell> <4A58C8C5040E432B8263F4D9E15176FF@jorgemaindell> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:17:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] bradford trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=dZpDP6ZkCO6AJvo3aUP7sL5BRRPr_krQhtCFlX5pj_MIbVLF3vfgfg0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Before you sent this email I decided to do Waldameer BECAUSE it is a fairly > small park (3ish is the earliest I will be able to get to either park) and I > think Darien Lake would be too big to spend half a day at. Sounds reasonable. Waldameer is closer to Bradford too. > Somewhat off topic how large are the crowds at Niagara Falls in > the mornings because I want to try to see them quickly before I have to > leave for my flight (which is just after 4 on July 4). I can't speak for how crowds are because I've only visited once, but if you just want to see the falls (and not do any of the walking or boat tours), you shouldn't have any problem. It shouldn't take any more than an hour or so. -Nate From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Jun 11 11:47:18 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71387 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 18:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 18:47:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1244746006; bh=HuJt0os4bIh3flrOqlkDwSyt1FbZJKYVIXbcbf64qoA=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=qIwYH0Lr42pRIAh0xvv9Imwz3URQizcNr1I+WtrYYFTc8NBgwzCvaWcVUDuedegaX80e2PUb8zxAbiToExBG2k1OrFNAW+ivNsWwVbBUY8Ucna8HDZfZ3v9le6D5Uyuy Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 18:46:46 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 18:46:46 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98305 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 16:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 16:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 16:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 16:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 16:45:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:45:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=f4v4pamDNdLvfPmo5p10gi6sMY2ncp3CvYygwYKG9oA X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 11 Jun 2009 18:46:46 -0000 Points of agreement here: Pound for pound the three coasters at Holiday World may be the best collect= ion of coaster in the world. The Voyage is probably the best out and back = coaster ever built. I personally prefer the Legend and my only grip about = the Raven is it is too short. All three are high on the favorite list.=20 That being said and this hurts my "art of the roller coaster" nature to say= : I think (and this like everything else is only my opinion) Holiday World is= a poor value. (Explanation at the bottom of the post.) A coaster fan sho= uld go there, but I don't think it is worth it to go regularly. The water = park may be worth it, if you are into that sort of thing, but I don't think= I have been to a water park this century, so I wish to remain mute on that= point. The Math: A regular pass at Holiday World is $39.95 the season pass is $139.95. All = of that for access to (basically) three coasters. (Again if you like water= parks this line of thinking is moot for you...) Now there is a complicated= list of discounts, but they are not good at all times on all days. In the neighborhood, Kentucky Kingdom, even if you think it is not "as good= " of a park, is selling six day passes for $26.00 and season passes that wo= rk at any Six Flags park for $54.95. Kings Island has two day passes for a= bout $50. Now if you drive you still have to cover parking but really? Ac= cess to over 100 coasters nation wide for $55 or access to three coaster at= Holiday World for $140? I think that is a no brainer... Since I renewed = in October I don't think that my Cedar Fair Platinum pass cost more then $1= 40 and even now it is only $160. Holiday World would have to be a whole lot better then many of the parks "i= n the neighborhood" to justify the expense. I would need a ticket in the l= ess then $30 range (about the same as the one day discount tickets at the b= igger parks) to make the tip worth it, for me. Just my $0.02. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jun 11 12:30:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74872 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 19:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 19:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 19:30:45 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so789718ywb.89 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.40.4 with SMTP id i4mr1364329ibe.18.1244748634615; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906111230r1f707c5dl9c4f04477605d5dd@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=aCMHPlZ6QWOE55zUXJ7e4XGkt8X-72Y1ykawCt0cmr9ZdIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Your point is valid if one only goes to the park for the rides. But for overall value of experience I'd put holiday world way ahead of any other parks on that list. Although there are not as many, I think the 3 at holiday world beat out any neighboring collections by far...but that's jusr my opinion. Factor in free drinks, freeparking, free sunscreen, etc. you gat a great value. And the atmosphere at HW is excellent. Granted Ive only been on event days, so take it for what it is. Mike On 6/11/09, Jon Osborn wrote: > Points of agreement here: > Pound for pound the three coasters at Holiday World may be the best > collection of coaster in the world. The Voyage is probably the best out and > back coaster ever built. I personally prefer the Legend and my only grip > about the Raven is it is too short. All three are high on the favorite > list. > > That being said and this hurts my "art of the roller coaster" nature to say: > > I think (and this like everything else is only my opinion) Holiday World is > a poor value. (Explanation at the bottom of the post.) A coaster fan > should go there, but I don't think it is worth it to go regularly. The > water park may be worth it, if you are into that sort of thing, but I don't > think I have been to a water park this century, so I wish to remain mute on > that point. > > > The Math: > A regular pass at Holiday World is $39.95 the season pass is $139.95. All > of that for access to (basically) three coasters. (Again if you like water > parks this line of thinking is moot for you...) Now there is a complicated > list of discounts, but they are not good at all times on all days. > > In the neighborhood, Kentucky Kingdom, even if you think it is not "as good" > of a park, is selling six day passes for $26.00 and season passes that work > at any Six Flags park for $54.95. Kings Island has two day passes for about > $50. Now if you drive you still have to cover parking but really? Access > to over 100 coasters nation wide for $55 or access to three coaster at > Holiday World for $140? I think that is a no brainer... Since I renewed in > October I don't think that my Cedar Fair Platinum pass cost more then $140 > and even now it is only $160. > > Holiday World would have to be a whole lot better then many of the parks "in > the neighborhood" to justify the expense. I would need a ticket in the less > then $30 range (about the same as the one day discount tickets at the bigger > parks) to make the tip worth it, for me. > > Just my $0.02. > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 11 13:26:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57073 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 20:26:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 20:26:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 20:26:14 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so945718qwd.49 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.45.198 with SMTP id g6mr2519647vcf.71.1244751905087; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:25:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=1ZKnJEbyW2JbWl0pF52E8tekvkY_Lbni-ujDlK0wMuVkCFJ6Nm43Bog X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Holiday World would have to be a whole lot better then many of the parks "in > the neighborhood" to justify the expense. I actually agree that Holiday World is hardly the "value" many make it out to be. But on the other hand, you can't just say "I don't count the waterpark, because I don't have an interest in it." The fact is that it's still there, it's still available to you with your paid admission, and the majority of people who visit DO take advantage of it. It's part of what you're paying for with your ticket. So with that figured in, I don't think Holiday World is priced pretty appropriately for the average person. And that's really all they have to work with. -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Jun 11 13:39:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94446 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 20:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 20:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f220.google.com) (209.85.217.220) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 20:39:17 -0000 X-Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so3026316gxk.17 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:38:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.87.5 with SMTP id k5mr2456038agb.86.1244752735503; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:38:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:38:55 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0906111338n64f979fake7ea44bd762ff3c1@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=pEAp2sZzT_erouV5N1IOYXHOlyBLyd9baz5Unbp7FbdTntTU5A X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Not to mention, there's absolutely no need to pay full price to get in to Holiday World. There are PLENTY of discounts out there to be had. Even though it's not technically a discounted ticket, the canned goods deal seems pretty awesome to me, too. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wr= ote: > > >> Holiday World would have to be a whole lot better then many of the parks >> "in >> the neighborhood" to justify the expense. > > I actually agree that Holiday World is hardly the "value" many make it > out to be. But on the other hand, you can't just say "I don't count > the waterpark, because I don't have an interest in it." The fact is > that it's still there, it's still available to you with your paid > admission, and the majority of people who visit DO take advantage of > it. It's part of what you're paying for with your ticket. So with > that figured in, I don't think Holiday World is priced pretty > appropriately for the average person. And that's really all they have > to work with. > > -Nate > >=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 14:59:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76406 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 21:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 21:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 21:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 21:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 21:59:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:59:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A2DFC29.8080809@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.226.123 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: bradford trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=aW-Pmz9dcv6--65D56eqt0RS6FTUEyjT7ujGc0QNWE_p2R3h3UKR X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Waldameer, without a doupt, unless you are really into waterparks=20 > (though Waldameer's is nice too). RF II is very much worth the trip. >=20 > I would suggest swinging by Conneaut Lake Park on the way up there as wel= l. < I too highly recommend Waldameer. Ravine Flyer II is amazing. And their t= wo fun houses are a blast. In that same area are two other parks worth checking out: Martin's Fantasy = Island (near Niagara Falls) has the Silver Comet, a decent woodie. And Sea= breeze Park in Rochester has the John Miller classic Jack Rabbit and their = one-of-a-kind Bobsled. Both of those parks aren't that expensive and well = worth a few hours of your time, IMO. As far as Conneaut, I heard that the only thing opening this year is the ho= tel. :( Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:04:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21770 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 22:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 22:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 22:04:24 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1076357qwb.27 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:03:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.45.198 with SMTP id g6mr2593858vcf.71.1244757804156; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:03:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A2DFC29.8080809@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: bradford trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ryo1KzZpttqtWx5Jp4bkdVpmNrl3vqt-FE9Im0LZvRH7ssaSsBuDURs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > As far as Conneaut, I heard that the only thing opening this year is the > hotel. :( As I understand it, there are definitely rides operating, but not the Blue Streak. -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 15:06:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81446 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 22:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 22:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 22:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 22:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 22:06:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:06:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.226.123 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=MxQuib2gM8oCCxFMT_Ovybk0V-thyzzLqset2q6Eq9Usci-Vfnxr X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Great TR, Nate. Thanks. I guess I really should go back there for Voyage.= When I was there many years ago, I wasn't all that impressed with the par= k nor the coasters. But I've heard too many insanely good things about Voy= age. Jay From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Jun 11 16:55:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51596 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 23:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 23:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 23:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a319963330; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:55:15 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.ce8.56613989 (37689) for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.101] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB085-93394a319960251; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:55:12 -0400 Message-ID: <4A3198E6.8030400@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:53:10 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4A2DFC29.8080809@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: bradford trip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=F3ADMrSgo3YD1AL66cFkZqjEobabibpm5BDwWRIjaXcgD_aCZw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> As far as Conneaut, I heard that the only thing opening this year is the >> hotel. :( >> > > As I understand it, there are definitely rides operating, but not the > Blue Streak. > > -Nate > Yup, many of the rides are indeed open, but not all, including the Blue Streak. Plans are, I guess so long as they can manage to stay afloat, that the Blue Streak will reopen next year. I am very hopeful that can happen, it is a neat park. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 11 22:51:29 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 403 invoked by uid 7800); 12 Jun 2009 05:51:25 -0000 Date: 12 Jun 2009 05:51:25 -0000 Message-ID: <1244785885.8.402.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=LQLxAxX0pUh5Kf9Cy3tFCYYdD8WnBKE1244785815-1" --YCalReminder=LQLxAxX0pUh5Kf9Cy3tFCYYdD8WnBKE1244785815-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=eYPUlLjDxQXjESoxL6Lt8wYO2UF1244785816-1-- From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 12 13:01:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54831 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2009 20:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2009 20:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.221.178) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2009 20:01:04 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so3533295qyk.5 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:00:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.74.65 with SMTP id t1mr3822355vcj.89.1244836804320; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: coastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Trip Part III (Kings Island) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Zh8ZjUKwVQs5g4aTxPSCiB5ivIqjSSz7Us30PNJK8uwVsI4a8bEOjWc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 After leaving Holiday World, we drove to Cincinnati for the night. We got to our hotel, and were surprised to see carnival rides out front. Apparently a large section of downtown was closed for the Taste of Cincinnati. So we scrapped our dinner plans and decided to eat our way through Cincinnati. It's a big festival - at least five blocks, if not more - but it was pretty repetitive (lots of Greek food, and lots of barbeque). We sampled a few good items, but nothing particularly noteworthy. Quite honestly, I think we spent more money on beer than on food. Oh well. I've spent two nights in Cincinnati in the past few years, and have yet to really enjoy myself. Either I haven't found the right places to go, or it's just a city I don't like. We went out after the festival, but there was really nothing going on. Maybe Cincinnati's just not much of a late night city, as the downtown area was surprisingly empty after the Taste of Cincinnati ended around midnight. We pretty much parked ourselves at a martini bar and chatted with the few people who chose to take advantage of the long weekend. In the end, it was probably good for us to have a more low key night after our two very late nights prior. KINGS ISLAND - Monday, May 25 Rating: 3.5/5 We slept in the next morning and, after a bowl of Skyline Chili, made it to Kings Island just after noon. There was no direction whatsoever in the parking lot; once you passed through the booths, you were on your own to find a spot. If every other major park in the country (not to mention Holiday World!) can hire people to direct traffic and maximize parking efficiency, I don't know why Kings Island can't. They could have at least placed some cones or directional signs. Irritating. We made our way to Diamondback first, since it's the only thing there I hadn't ridden. I figured the line would probably be long because it was early in the day and everyone goes there first, but it only ended up taking about a half hour (even with a mostly full queue). We walked by later in the day and the line was the same. My guess is that it probably doesn't clear out much until just before closing. I'm not sure how I feel about the ride's placement. I feel that Cedar Fair did some nice things, but other decisions are a bit baffling. It's unfortunate that the last of the park's really pretty areas has been essentially paved over. I realize that the area is just recovering from the construction site it was a couple of months ago, but almost no trees have been planted and landscaping is pretty minimal. The queue is oddly crammed between a building, the station, and the lift, and it's far too small for a ride this size (the park was *not* that busy, and it was nearly full). More than half of it is unshaded, which is really going to suck later in the summer when it gets really hot. The idea of "landscaping" here basically means asphalt and white rocks, as that's all Cedar Fair went for. I don't know, it just looks very plain and uninspired. The area around the ride is a bit better. I like its placement above and around pathways, and the pool looks nice. I especially like the little hillside waterfall they built leading into the splashdown pool (a really nice touch). But why Cedar Fair built the pool so far away from the path is puzzling. Unlike the splashdown pools on Sheikra and Griffon, it is impossible to get near enough to the splash to get wet. It looks impressive, but seems pointless when you can't get near it. The area needs more trees too (there used to be a bunch of them, but they're gone now). Seats on Diamondback are assigned by a grouper, but we were given the second-to-last row when we asked (the last row was taken). Operations here were pretty good. They were occasionally stacking trains (sometimes even all three), but they were pretty efficient in general. My opinion of the ride itself? Eh...it's okay. I've heard people rave about the "new breed" of B&M hypercoasters for three years now. I've heard so much about how amazing SFOG's Goliath is compared to Raging Bull or Nitro and there's airtime all over the place. I've heard how the new trains on Behemoth suddenly provide ejector air throughout. I don't believe a bit of it. Diamondback is the same old B&M family hypercoaster crap they've been building since 1999. The airtime is marginally better - probably due to longer trains - but it's light and floaty and feels just like Nitro. The positive G's are still pretty much MIA (in fact, I think DBack has even less than Nitro). The only significant improvement was the steeper first drop. If you like Nitro, then you'll probably like Diamondback. If you're like me, and felt that Nitro, Apollo, Raging Bull, etc were over-engineered family rides, you probably won't. I'm frustrated that people have been raving about Diamondback like it's something never been done before, and like B&M finally just discovered how to build adult coasters. It's not the truth, and I wish someone could have been honest before I drove 8 hours to find out for myself. :) After Diamondback, we decided to take a ride on the Crypt. My, how Cedar Fair has destroyed this attraction. It's always had its problems, sure, but now it's just stupid. The former preshow room has some bizarre animatronic monster thing in it that randomly starts growling and flapping its arms/wings. Nobody knows why or what the story is here. The ride is even less exciting than it was as Tomb Raider; I think it might actually only flip upside down once. The gondola is never really free to swing and rock back and forth, which is what makes Topspins fun. There are zero effects during the ride (in fact, most of the lights stay on the whole time). All of the scenery has been removed. Totally pointless. We walked over to the Flight of Fear/Firehawk area, but both rides had at least a 45-minute wait. Meanwhile, the Racer was a walk-on. Everyone is understandably disappointed that both sides of Racer now run forward-facing trains, so I won't get into that. I will say that we got probably the smoothest ride I've ever had on it. I don't think it's an exceptional ride - the airtime is a bit tame for me - but it was running surprisingly well. Who taught Cedar Fair how to maintain a wooden coaster? Next door Adventure Express had only a small line, so we took a ride. This is a nice coaster, especially for the younger crowd. As cheesy as they are, it=92s a shame that most of the effects have been left to rot. The last tunnel was functioning appropriately though, which is the most important part. :) Rich wanted to ride Son of Beast despite my warnings, but the line was approaching an hour. We rode Flight Deck (Top Gun) instead. Stupid name, but still a great ride. There was no wait, which I don't understand. Do people not know it's there? The sign outside of Invertigo said the wait was an hour, but there couldn't have been more than a hundred people in line. We actually ended up waiting only about 15 minutes. This actually might be my favorite coaster at Kings Island. It's smooth, forceful, and lots of fun. The area around the ride is horrendously ugly though. What is with the chain-link fences and gravel?? Landscaping plz! As we were waiting in a fairly short line for Drop Tower, it started pouring. Of course. Luckily, it had tapered off to a light drizzle by the time we were sitting down to ride, but the temperature had dropped significantly. Drop Tower was amazing as usual. Wanting to get out of the rain, we walked over to Flight of Fear. It's clear that others had the same idea, however, as the line was spilling out of the entrance to the building. Firehawk had a 45-minute wait time posted, but the line only filled three or four switchbacks. Figuring there's no way that could actually take 45 minutes, we got in line. That was before we stood there forever without seeing a train cycle. Apparently, they were only operating one station with one train (!), and it took them about five minutes to load that train (!!) meaning they were cranking through only about 200 pph (!!!). That's absolutely unacceptable, especially for a park the size of Kings Island a ride as new as Firehawk. F for failure. We got back out of line and, since it was still raining, decided to just stick it out in line for FOF. The line kept steadily moving, but that is a looooong queue. Since Cedar Fair took over, they have stopped playing the entertaining queue video (why???). Even more puzzling is that the video's audio is still playing quietly in the background while the video screens are all blank. It was the same thing at Kings Dominion last year. The video was one of the things that made waiting in line for this ride bearable. Disappointing, to be sure. Once in the station (45 minutes later...), I was impressed with how fast the crew was moving. They were loading and launching trains in about 45 seconds flat! Unfortunately, only two trains were operating, which meant that there was a long period of time following the launch while they waited for the next train to arrive. They could have easily handled three. The ride itself was good (as usual), though it's disappointing they're back to bringing the train to a dead stop on the midcourse. That really kills the second half of the ride (which was always the best part). We had both been craving blueberry ice cream all day and, despite the fact that it was now a bit cool out, we decided to go for it. I know it's a Kings Island tradition and everything, but I'd actually never had it. The amount of ice cream they give you is just ridiculous, and I imagine it could be a bit of a disaster in hot weather. It worked out find for us, though (and it was delicious). While we were over on that side of the park, I noticed Avatar had no wait. I'd never been on one of the "Disco Coasters" (only a standard disco), and I was surprised at how enjoyable it was. They're awkward-looking and take up a huge amount of space, but they're crazy fun! I think this was more forceful than Diamondback! :) Next up was the Beast (with just a three-train wait). We sat in a middle seat in the second-to-last car. Without a doubt, this was the best ride I have ever had on the Beast. The brakes are annoying (even Rich commented on them) and the first half is still pretty stupid, but the double helix is as raw and crazy and forceful as ever. But the difference is that the thing was darn near glass smooth! They've obviously put a lot of work into this ride (there's new wood all over the double helix), so I'm guessing Paramount just never maintained the thing at all. I can't believe I'm going to say it (again!), but who taught Cedar Fair how to maintain a wooden coaster? Rich had really wanted to try out Firehawk, so we decided to give it one more chance. We passed by Vortex on the way, but the queue was completely full. I don't think that's really even that long of a wait, but we were getting a little burned out at that point and decided to skip it. We never did get a ride. The line at Firehawk was slightly shorter than before, and now they were thankfully using both stations. One crew was doing a pretty decent job, and the other was just awful. Unfortunately, that slowed everyone down because the decent crew was consistently waiting for the awful crew to dispatch their train first. On average, I think they dispatched a train about every four minutes (still less than 400pph). Awful. Our ride wasn't every enjoyable. I hadn't ridden a Vekoma flyer in several years, and I'm certainly not in a hurry to ride another. It was shaky, uncomfortable, and frankly not very interesting. Rich didn't like it much either. The B&M flyers are probably no more interesting, but at least they're comfortable and smooth. So that was Kings Island. We rode most of the big rides, and I think Rich got a pretty good feel for the park. We didn't ride SOB because it's a piece of junk and the line was long, although it would be interesting to know whether CF has been able to smooth it out any like they have done to The Beast & Racer. We passed on Stunt Coaster (or whatever it's called) because it, too, had a pretty long wait. I don't understand how some rides can have horribly long waits (Flight of Fear, Firehawk, Son of Beast) while others can be a walk-on (Beast, Racer, Flight Deck). It was an odd phenomenon, and not one that I've ever really experienced before. All said, it was a pretty good day at a park I always enjoy visiting. The park looked nice, though most of the nice areas have been paved over and destroyed since I first visited nine years ago. Operations are pretty hit-or-miss, but that was a problem under Paramount too. Their attendance will most likely shoot up with Diamondback, and I'm sure most people are happy with it. But it's not a ride that I can see myself wanting to return for, especially with another B&M family hypercoaster a lot closer. I like the park a lot. I was just hoping Diamondback had been something that it's not. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jun 12 13:04:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94008 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2009 20:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2009 20:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2009 20:04:35 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1606489qwd.53 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:03:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.77.17 with SMTP id e17mr3742012vck.47.1244837014546; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:03:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=PgtbSvr0iEDg1Hb5qjm2AV6NYBTN1kAS93STtibbaHF3qQ-WeTmB5GA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Great TR, Nate. Thanks. I guess I really should go back there for Voyage. Thanks Jay. I'm not really sure that the Voyage is your type of ride. It's overly aggressive, and extremely demanding. I remember reading your trip report years ago, but I don't remember the details of why you didn't like the park. It's not quirky like Indiana Beach or Knoebels, but I think it's a nice and well-cared-for small park. I can totally see how you might be a bit baffled by the love for Raven (and even, to some extent, the Legend). But until you visit during an event, when you can experience them at night when the rides are running their best, I don't know that you'll ever "get" them. That's my take, anyway. -Nate From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Jun 12 22:51:36 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25411 invoked by uid 7800); 13 Jun 2009 05:51:29 -0000 Date: 13 Jun 2009 05:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1244872289.509.25398.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=FFgP4g6OuN6x03wVr1zEeCPtkIyunDE1244872218-1" --YCalReminder=FFgP4g6OuN6x03wVr1zEeCPtkIyunDE1244872218-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Gravity Pleasure Switch Back Railway opened Saturday June 13, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=FFgP4g6OuN6x03wVr1zEeCPtkIyunDE1244872218-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jun 13 08:54:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75245 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 15:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 15:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 15:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 15:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 15:54:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:54:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.13.112 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: How to find the ride with the shortest lines at Disney X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=3wggUd5yglMVD9H9MSCF3ar0UENX_bL-60Nf8F-t7zFXkU_1mrsz X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The ride is here: Jay From thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com Sat Jun 13 09:51:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30765 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 16:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 16:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n71.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 16:51:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n71.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 16:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.166] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 16:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 16:50:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 966042.98908.bm@omp501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 49564 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2009 16:50:02 -0000 Message-ID: <633187.49329.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yUlA4BIVM1mcbT9H3UTRxm4JuNvYNbzUE9UfvpbkrUzw1hyNG4hhWC8egsk52N7I9yw4fL8EaDwYUyPihQddCxOynSACfjeHoo_Pj0phPXmPYKraqLJBKGUc5_97x3XefkLZPQ6v0JWLZO3ukZCbd1V8LO_vsbq4xKKERnyzgbS5hf2RUdiOUeTDOoeQ7M6dTsM62myZW6WaZjVUCsT9Wk9aAp0Dxpw0a1QQtYTNNpgM3fwJ_xthJNl2NzBURMcAO.IM0AJkVgY2.fxtaLf8YHbWsJEYUj_F6BmhCo6gH82LqC9DSQK8.8bSDxgIjoQXA7ohS17wsAmDNg-- X-Received: from [70.127.134.91] by web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:50:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER Reply-To: THUNDER Subject: Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks Chapt. 11 Bankruptcy Protection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173049580; y=kcZ_2przHq_XVlQkQtlZrG2zlehkJzi-vZTnSXF21-l_9HLXUTLe X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090613/ap_on_bi_ge/us_six_flags_bankruptcy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jun 13 12:25:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71629 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 19:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 19:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 19:25:23 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so1313409ana.30 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:24:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.38.77 with SMTP id a13mr1983495ibe.51.1244921062809; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:24:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:24:22 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906131224u79d088e1n7f177a666a07eb93@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Trip Part III (Kings Island) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=4M6xnGmyzfhwT--ockGd2OSTFylbZhQ3otpmYPFo6nZCZbI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Good report. I feel basically the same about kings island based on my 1 and 1/2 visits. Adventure express and cockpit were really fun rides, and I really enjoy the FOFs. Invertigo is a lot better than I expected, and is probaly my favorite of the 3 bomerang types. I think I'll eventually feel about the same as you on Diamondback, when I make it out there again. The B&M hypercoasters are consistently dissapointing and boring. Everyone has been so positive on the 'new' b&m hypercoasters, I've gotten my hopes up, but I'm not sure if I'll enjoy them any more than Nitro or Doped Up Meandering Bull. -mike On 6/12/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > After leaving Holiday World, we drove to Cincinnati for the night. We > got to our hotel, and were surprised to see carnival rides out front. > Apparently a large section of downtown was closed for the Taste of > Cincinnati. So we scrapped our dinner plans and decided to eat our > way through Cincinnati. It's a big festival - at least five blocks, > if not more - but it was pretty repetitive (lots of Greek food, and > lots of barbeque). We sampled a few good items, but nothing > particularly noteworthy. Quite honestly, I think we spent more money > on beer than on food. Oh well. > > I've spent two nights in Cincinnati in the past few years, and have > yet to really enjoy myself. Either I haven't found the right places > to go, or it's just a city I don't like. We went out after the > festival, but there was really nothing going on. Maybe Cincinnati's > just not much of a late night city, as the downtown area was > surprisingly empty after the Taste of Cincinnati ended around > midnight. We pretty much parked ourselves at a martini bar and > chatted with the few people who chose to take advantage of the long > weekend. In the end, it was probably good for us to have a more low > key night after our two very late nights prior. > > KINGS ISLAND - Monday, May 25 > Rating: 3.5/5 > > We slept in the next morning and, after a bowl of Skyline Chili, made > it to Kings Island just after noon. There was no direction whatsoever > in the parking lot; once you passed through the booths, you were on > your own to find a spot. If every other major park in the country > (not to mention Holiday World!) can hire people to direct traffic and > maximize parking efficiency, I don't know why Kings Island can't. > They could have at least placed some cones or directional signs. > Irritating. > > We made our way to Diamondback first, since it's the only thing there > I hadn't ridden. I figured the line would probably be long because it > was early in the day and everyone goes there first, but it only ended > up taking about a half hour (even with a mostly full queue). We > walked by later in the day and the line was the same. My guess is > that it probably doesn't clear out much until just before closing. > > I'm not sure how I feel about the ride's placement. I feel that Cedar > Fair did some nice things, but other decisions are a bit baffling. > It's unfortunate that the last of the park's really pretty areas has > been essentially paved over. I realize that the area is just > recovering from the construction site it was a couple of months ago, > but almost no trees have been planted and landscaping is pretty > minimal. The queue is oddly crammed between a building, the station, > and the lift, and it's far too small for a ride this size (the park > was *not* that busy, and it was nearly full). More than half of it is > unshaded, which is really going to suck later in the summer when it > gets really hot. The idea of "landscaping" here basically means > asphalt and white rocks, as that's all Cedar Fair went for. I don't > know, it just looks very plain and uninspired. > > The area around the ride is a bit better. I like its placement above > and around pathways, and the pool looks nice. I especially like the > little hillside waterfall they built leading into the splashdown pool > (a really nice touch). But why Cedar Fair built the pool so far away > from the path is puzzling. Unlike the splashdown pools on Sheikra and > Griffon, it is impossible to get near enough to the splash to get wet. > It looks impressive, but seems pointless when you can't get near it. > The area needs more trees too (there used to be a bunch of them, but > they're gone now). > > Seats on Diamondback are assigned by a grouper, but we were given the > second-to-last row when we asked (the last row was taken). Operations > here were pretty good. They were occasionally stacking trains > (sometimes even all three), but they were pretty efficient in general. > > My opinion of the ride itself? Eh...it's okay. I've heard people > rave about the "new breed" of B&M hypercoasters for three years now. > I've heard so much about how amazing SFOG's Goliath is compared to > Raging Bull or Nitro and there's airtime all over the place. I've > heard how the new trains on Behemoth suddenly provide ejector air > throughout. I don't believe a bit of it. Diamondback is the same old > B&M family hypercoaster crap they've been building since 1999. The > airtime is marginally better - probably due to longer trains - but > it's light and floaty and feels just like Nitro. The positive G's are > still pretty much MIA (in fact, I think DBack has even less than > Nitro). The only significant improvement was the steeper first drop. > > If you like Nitro, then you'll probably like Diamondback. If you're > like me, and felt that Nitro, Apollo, Raging Bull, etc were > over-engineered family rides, you probably won't. I'm frustrated that > people have been raving about Diamondback like it's something never > been done before, and like B&M finally just discovered how to build > adult coasters. It's not the truth, and I wish someone could have > been honest before I drove 8 hours to find out for myself. :) > > After Diamondback, we decided to take a ride on the Crypt. My, how > Cedar Fair has destroyed this attraction. It's always had its > problems, sure, but now it's just stupid. The former preshow room has > some bizarre animatronic monster thing in it that randomly starts > growling and flapping its arms/wings. Nobody knows why or what the > story is here. The ride is even less exciting than it was as Tomb > Raider; I think it might actually only flip upside down once. The > gondola is never really free to swing and rock back and forth, which > is what makes Topspins fun. There are zero effects during the ride > (in fact, most of the lights stay on the whole time). All of the > scenery has been removed. Totally pointless. > > We walked over to the Flight of Fear/Firehawk area, but both rides had > at least a 45-minute wait. Meanwhile, the Racer was a walk-on. > Everyone is understandably disappointed that both sides of Racer now > run forward-facing trains, so I won't get into that. I will say that > we got probably the smoothest ride I've ever had on it. I don't think > it's an exceptional ride - the airtime is a bit tame for me - but it > was running surprisingly well. Who taught Cedar Fair how to maintain > a wooden coaster? > > Next door Adventure Express had only a small line, so we took a ride. > This is a nice coaster, especially for the younger crowd. As cheesy > as they are, it=92s a shame that most of the effects have been left to > rot. The last tunnel was functioning appropriately though, which is > the most important part. :) > > Rich wanted to ride Son of Beast despite my warnings, but the line was > approaching an hour. We rode Flight Deck (Top Gun) instead. Stupid > name, but still a great ride. There was no wait, which I don't > understand. Do people not know it's there? > > The sign outside of Invertigo said the wait was an hour, but there > couldn't have been more than a hundred people in line. We actually > ended up waiting only about 15 minutes. This actually might be my > favorite coaster at Kings Island. It's smooth, forceful, and lots of > fun. The area around the ride is horrendously ugly though. What is > with the chain-link fences and gravel?? Landscaping plz! > > As we were waiting in a fairly short line for Drop Tower, it started > pouring. Of course. Luckily, it had tapered off to a light drizzle > by the time we were sitting down to ride, but the temperature had > dropped significantly. Drop Tower was amazing as usual. > > Wanting to get out of the rain, we walked over to Flight of Fear. > It's clear that others had the same idea, however, as the line was > spilling out of the entrance to the building. Firehawk had a > 45-minute wait time posted, but the line only filled three or four > switchbacks. Figuring there's no way that could actually take 45 > minutes, we got in line. That was before we stood there forever > without seeing a train cycle. Apparently, they were only operating > one station with one train (!), and it took them about five minutes to > load that train (!!) meaning they were cranking through only about 200 > pph (!!!). That's absolutely unacceptable, especially for a park the > size of Kings Island a ride as new as Firehawk. F for failure. > > We got back out of line and, since it was still raining, decided to > just stick it out in line for FOF. The line kept steadily moving, but > that is a looooong queue. Since Cedar Fair took over, they have > stopped playing the entertaining queue video (why???). Even more > puzzling is that the video's audio is still playing quietly in the > background while the video screens are all blank. It was the same > thing at Kings Dominion last year. The video was one of the things > that made waiting in line for this ride bearable. Disappointing, to > be sure. > > Once in the station (45 minutes later...), I was impressed with how > fast the crew was moving. They were loading and launching trains in > about 45 seconds flat! Unfortunately, only two trains were operating, > which meant that there was a long period of time following the launch > while they waited for the next train to arrive. They could have > easily handled three. The ride itself was good (as usual), though > it's disappointing they're back to bringing the train to a dead stop > on the midcourse. That really kills the second half of the ride > (which was always the best part). > > We had both been craving blueberry ice cream all day and, despite the > fact that it was now a bit cool out, we decided to go for it. I know > it's a Kings Island tradition and everything, but I'd actually never > had it. The amount of ice cream they give you is just ridiculous, and > I imagine it could be a bit of a disaster in hot weather. It worked > out find for us, though (and it was delicious). > > While we were over on that side of the park, I noticed Avatar had no > wait. I'd never been on one of the "Disco Coasters" (only a standard > disco), and I was surprised at how enjoyable it was. They're > awkward-looking and take up a huge amount of space, but they're crazy > fun! I think this was more forceful than Diamondback! :) > > Next up was the Beast (with just a three-train wait). We sat in a > middle seat in the second-to-last car. Without a doubt, this was the > best ride I have ever had on the Beast. The brakes are annoying (even > Rich commented on them) and the first half is still pretty stupid, but > the double helix is as raw and crazy and forceful as ever. But the > difference is that the thing was darn near glass smooth! They've > obviously put a lot of work into this ride (there's new wood all over > the double helix), so I'm guessing Paramount just never maintained the > thing at all. I can't believe I'm going to say it (again!), but who > taught Cedar Fair how to maintain a wooden coaster? > > Rich had really wanted to try out Firehawk, so we decided to give it > one more chance. We passed by Vortex on the way, but the queue was > completely full. I don't think that's really even that long of a > wait, but we were getting a little burned out at that point and > decided to skip it. We never did get a ride. > > The line at Firehawk was slightly shorter than before, and now they > were thankfully using both stations. One crew was doing a pretty > decent job, and the other was just awful. Unfortunately, that slowed > everyone down because the decent crew was consistently waiting for the > awful crew to dispatch their train first. On average, I think they > dispatched a train about every four minutes (still less than 400pph). > Awful. > > Our ride wasn't every enjoyable. I hadn't ridden a Vekoma flyer in > several years, and I'm certainly not in a hurry to ride another. It > was shaky, uncomfortable, and frankly not very interesting. Rich > didn't like it much either. The B&M flyers are probably no more > interesting, but at least they're comfortable and smooth. > > So that was Kings Island. We rode most of the big rides, and I think > Rich got a pretty good feel for the park. We didn't ride SOB because > it's a piece of junk and the line was long, although it would be > interesting to know whether CF has been able to smooth it out any like > they have done to The Beast & Racer. We passed on Stunt Coaster (or > whatever it's called) because it, too, had a pretty long wait. I > don't understand how some rides can have horribly long waits (Flight > of Fear, Firehawk, Son of Beast) while others can be a walk-on (Beast, > Racer, Flight Deck). It was an odd phenomenon, and not one that I've > ever really experienced before. > > All said, it was a pretty good day at a park I always enjoy visiting. > The park looked nice, though most of the nice areas have been paved > over and destroyed since I first visited nine years ago. Operations > are pretty hit-or-miss, but that was a problem under Paramount too. > Their attendance will most likely shoot up with Diamondback, and I'm > sure most people are happy with it. But it's not a ride that I can > see myself wanting to return for, especially with another B&M family > hypercoaster a lot closer. I like the park a lot. I was just hoping > Diamondback had been something that it's not. > > -Nate > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word ab= out > Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Sat Jun 13 15:17:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37823 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 22:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 22:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 22:17:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41588 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2009 22:17:40 -0000 Message-ID: <776916.41167.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: f10tcdYVM1miy10H4LaASle2d0VYmM210CDykTgDRpGxifGQQdkzz0ehgtPJFHYwX.nQAbj7UH9aPOpdiyHz4ePAtNbob1MCn_iQVp4Mm91Ja.PwuZXa2G_vsYSlYmu2942VoD8Fa0lggXREZmhY9aeGEcLGHM8g.CRlc7EyzIo33KAQIb1TqT6hUkiYkXlSklF6bBVgGu_ZiT0xCawTtOwH9E3y7wscdZ0mGXTV4PLQisk1NKoxKXzQDE2_alCqnxC.xhH4AyF6y3Ci3.oQkrrnh61dNhBymVY1mKuIV9BXQ0ovhnYew0.zw8ulQSGY4Jkgje5pubVj6V8A38eU9KgnM8SftJ_FxLWUwQ-- X-Received: from [66.219.174.76] by web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:17:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:17:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks Chapt. 11 Bankruptcy Protection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=B_NP1uMTYEybz9EcJ9ROovV7APMt2b85-RpY9oBXjtoE-dQc38y-8xyZzN1N6eQM X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like we didn't see that this was going to happen.=A0 I wonder how long it w= ill be before CF may have to do the same?=A0=20 --- On Sat, 6/13/09, THUNDER wrote: From: THUNDER Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks= Chapt. 11 Bankruptcy Protection To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 12:50 PM http://news. yahoo.com/ s/ap/20090613/ ap_on_bi_ ge/us_six_ flags_bankruptc= y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Jun 13 18:47:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67142 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 01:47:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 01:47:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 01:47:27 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a3456689c; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:46:16 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c9b.2bfe41fe (65098) for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:46:20 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks Chapt... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=fLdb4tzZBJfwwYhN1yYV54V8mvV94nkmJHxKcnshEozrPmJ1Vw X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/13/2009 6:17:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com writes: "Like we didn't see that this was going to happen. I wonder how long it will be before CF may have to do the same? " I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, NEVER! I think things are a little more solvent over there. They have a much better business model than the Flags. Plus, the operations at Cedar Fair parks are much more organized and more enjoyable than that of some of the Six Flags parks I have visited in the past. **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Jun 13 19:33:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6345 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 02:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 02:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 02:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MFfWx-0004ZO-AN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:33:11 -0400 Message-ID: <4A34615E.8000609@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:33:02 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478dcb7fc5533b6bef8c939e8874c13ed01f899592a472bc8e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks Chapt... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Qn6OPOisuPFPC_gBF6rcO80-J_xlyQ-G-BL_Ea6btcrSJ70 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > "Like we didn't see that this was going to happen. I wonder how long it > will be before CF may have to do the same? " > > I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, NEVER! I think things are a > little more solvent over there. They have a much better business model than > the Flags. Plus, the operations at Cedar Fair parks are much more organized > and more enjoyable than that of some of the Six Flags parks I have visited > in the past. > Their park operations and "enjoyableness" have absolutely nothing to do with it. It comes down to simple money. Being enjoyable doesn't make creditors happy. Paying them does. Six Flags isn't able to pay them, so they file. Here's what I found on Cedar Fair: > Cedar Fair continues to carry about $1.7 billion in long-term debt, largely from its purchase of Paramount Parks. The company generated just under $1 billion in annual revenue in 2008 with $5.7 million in net income. That means that Cedar Fair's debt load is about $600 million less than Six Flags, but they also have only 17 parks in comparison to Six Flags 20 That's not much difference when it comes to a per-park basis. Or, in other words, Cedar Fair isn't really in much better straights than Six Flags. Some, certainly, but not a lot. They've got to make up a lot of ground soon if they don't want to fall into the same problem. keep on ridin' George (who isn't really surprised either. At least it's chapter 11 and not chapter 7) -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jun 13 20:28:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45930 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 03:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 03:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f210.google.com) (209.85.217.210) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 03:28:14 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so4307719gxk.9 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:27:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.40.4 with SMTP id i4mr2122038ibe.18.1244950034321; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:27:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A34615E.8000609@earthlink.net> References: <4A34615E.8000609@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906132027t3569c775lf84b462db4b461fc@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks Chapt... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=nIYff40ZNpW3XeDQRGVP0jDTxLbNDCdPqdLo1XgMV84opMo X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Yeah, but the difference isthat CF is making a net profit, where SF had a bunch of terrible quarters, causing them to not meet their due dateson their debt. I dontthink CF has any major due dates soon on their loans, which combined with the contnued profitability puts them in a much better position. -mike On 6/13/09, george burnash wrote: > Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: > >> "Like we didn't see that this was going to happen. I wonder how long it >> will be before CF may have to do the same? " >> >> I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, NEVER! I think things are a >> little more solvent over there. They have a much better business model >> than >> the Flags. Plus, the operations at Cedar Fair parks are much more >> organized >> and more enjoyable than that of some of the Six Flags parks I have visited >> in the past. >> > > Their park operations and "enjoyableness" have absolutely nothing to do > with it. It comes down to simple money. Being enjoyable doesn't make > creditors happy. Paying them does. Six Flags isn't able to pay them, > so they file. > > Here's what I found on Cedar Fair: >> Cedar Fair continues to carry about $1.7 billion in long-term debt, > > largely from its purchase of Paramount Parks. The company generated > > just under $1 billion in annual revenue in 2008 with $5.7 million in net > > income. > > That means that Cedar Fair's debt load is about $600 million less than > Six Flags, but they also have only 17 parks in comparison to Six Flags > 20 That's not much difference when it comes to a per-park basis. Or, > in other words, Cedar Fair isn't really in much better straights than > Six Flags. Some, certainly, but not a lot. They've got to make up a > lot of ground soon if they don't want to fall into the same problem. > > keep on ridin' > George > (who isn't really surprised either. At least it's chapter 11 and not > chapter 7) > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 13 22:51:42 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37517 invoked by uid 7800); 14 Jun 2009 05:51:36 -0000 Date: 14 Jun 2009 05:51:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1244958696.491.37491.m8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=VZgCFASErz5c6Fn3eUt3RPcFWG1244958618-1" --YCalReminder=VZgCFASErz5c6Fn3eUt3RPcFWG1244958618-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=VZgCFASErz5c6Fn3eUt3RPcFWG1244958618-1-- From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Jun 14 07:29:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91718 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 14:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 14:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 14:29:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16513 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 14:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 14 Jun 2009 14:28:42 -0000 Message-Id: <3F872C8A-09A7-47CF-9E34-E73D8C5B307E@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906132027t3569c775lf84b462db4b461fc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:28:41 -0500 References: <4A34615E.8000609@earthlink.net> <6ab4641f0906132027t3569c775lf84b462db4b461fc@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks Chapt... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ewUDlMe3uG2xYJhkn9P6Cjcclw8MIaNAtzZF3zxzQuzCm8kU X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Every single Six Flags park makes money (as quoted by the higher-ups at Magic Mountain during West Coast Bash). Even if they were generalizing, and one or two parks aren't profitable, it's still a good situation for the company to be in. These guys were also saying that the the parks have a very bright future, etc. This was during an informal Q&A session, not for stock-holders, etc .. so I see no reason why they would have lied. Cameron. On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > Yeah, but the difference isthat CF is making a net profit, where SF > had a bunch of terrible quarters, causing them to not meet their due > dateson their debt. I dontthink CF has any major due dates soon on > their loans, which combined with the contnued profitability puts them > in a much better position. > > -mike > > On 6/13/09, george burnash wrote: >> Briguy7568@aol.com wrote: >> >>> "Like we didn't see that this was going to happen. I wonder how >>> long it >>> will be before CF may have to do the same? " >>> >>> I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, NEVER! I think things >>> are a >>> little more solvent over there. They have a much better business >>> model >>> than >>> the Flags. Plus, the operations at Cedar Fair parks are much more >>> organized >>> and more enjoyable than that of some of the Six Flags parks I have >>> visited >>> in the past. >>> >> >> Their park operations and "enjoyableness" have absolutely nothing >> to do >> with it. It comes down to simple money. Being enjoyable doesn't >> make >> creditors happy. Paying them does. Six Flags isn't able to pay >> them, >> so they file. >> >> Here's what I found on Cedar Fair: >>> Cedar Fair continues to carry about $1.7 billion in long-term debt, >> >> largely from its purchase of Paramount Parks. The company generated >> >> just under $1 billion in annual revenue in 2008 with $5.7 million >> in net >> >> income. >> >> That means that Cedar Fair's debt load is about $600 million less >> than >> Six Flags, but they also have only 17 parks in comparison to Six >> Flags >> 20 That's not much difference when it comes to a per-park basis. >> Or, >> in other words, Cedar Fair isn't really in much better straights than >> Six Flags. Some, certainly, but not a lot. They've got to make up a >> lot of ground soon if they don't want to fall into the same problem. >> >> keep on ridin' >> George >> (who isn't really surprised either. At least it's chapter 11 and not >> chapter 7) >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------ >> With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Jun 14 08:53:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 723 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 15:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 15:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 15:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2009 15:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2009 15:53:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:53:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.98.133.70 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: TR: Dollywood 6/14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=SwdbEbvsXqG43St19EIRNZtHGar6lSGWVxybyUmMW9lcSr8ew7PQERZI7g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 i am in east TN for the past few weeks taking care of some unpleasant famil= y business, so i decided to take a break and take my 3 year old son and mys= elf to Pigeon Forge for the weekend. friday we went to Ripley's Aquarium, w= hich i havent been to since it opened. very nice, with a lot of new additio= ns. after we went i took him up to Ober Gatlinburg. that places still weird= s me out. a bunch of carnival rides on the side of a mountain with some odd= slide contraptions coming down the mountain. mixed in with that are all th= e old 70s shops and indoor stuff. just an odd place, and unfortunately too = overpriced to ride anything. spent the night in knoxville with friends, and the next day my friend Ben (= who has season passes), my son and I went to Dollywood. his pass got me a d= iscount, and since my son is under 4, he got in free. sweet! this was my fi= rst trip to the park since the year Thunderhead opened, and i was looking f= orward to seeing some of the new sections.=20 we arrived around 11, and though the parking lot looked crowded, it didnt f= eel overly filled with people, which was nice. we headed over to the stroll= er rental, and as we did Ben commented that they were setting up for a para= de. me said that it was probably for Dolly herself, as saturday was the off= icial start of Kidsfest. we waited for about 15 minutes, and lo and behold = a carriage emerged from behind a fence and there was Dolly Parton. she was = paraded by the guests waiting along the lines, and she was followed then by= various girl scout troops. but apparently at that point no one was interes= ted, as the crowd quickly dissipated and some even walked right in with the= girl scouts to make their way to the rest of the park. it was all very dis= organized. we took a right through Adventures in Imagination to Rivertown Junction, wh= ere we spent a few quarters firing cannons of water at the riders on River = Rampage. this amused my son to no end. the only issue i have is that it fir= es after you drop a quarter in instead of having a firing button. but still= , these are always one of our favorite activities at any park if they have = them.=20 we decided to head over to the Country Fair/Village section of the park whe= re all the kids rides were. we stopped and saw the train sitting idle, but = noticed that it wouldnt be running for another half hour or so, so we decid= ed to skip it for now.=20 The Country Fair looked a lot better than the time we had walked through it= before our son was born. back then, it looked kinda ratty and dull. i know= it was supposed to resembled a county fair, but it just looked like cheap = carnival rides and not much else. now it has been upgraded with a lot if ni= ce newer rides.=20 its funny how every park has its different rules and regulations as to what= kids can ride, and how. at some parks, my son can ride a Swinger as long a= s i ride with him. at Dollywood, he cant ride even if i go with him (the in= side seats are double), which is silly since it has both the bar and the be= lt. there were a few rides like that in the park. just odd. after a few spins on some rides he COULD go on, with or without an adult, w= e headed up to the train. now, here is where Busch Gardens has spoiled me. = while the ride was nice enough, most of it was of just empty woods and not = much else, aside from the occasional historically accurate applachian shack= reproduction. and aside from the guide orator who did the best Marty Moose= impersonation ive ever heard ("sooorry folks!"), the ride was really prett= y dull. seems that if you are going to take a 20 minute train ride, there n= eeds to be some mechanical bears or hillbilly charcters running about or so= mething. Busch at least has all the animals out on the savannah to look at.= this was just sorta blah. next we headed up to Dreamland Forest to let my son run around some in the = water area while Ben got us a Q2O, their version of the Qbot. this again is= a great kids area, with lots of water guns and sprayers. we stuck around f= or about a half hour and then the 3 of us headed up to Tennessee Tornado. m= y ride was ready almost instantly, and i headed to the front row.=20 I had ridden this before, so knew what to expect. it still runs surprisingl= y good for an Arrow, but there is no way youd get me in the back rows. Its = still an intense albeit short ride, and even with 1 train the ride ops were= doing a good job with it. its still a little disconcerting to have OTSRs w= ithout belts though.=20 we next went around the corner to Wilderness Pass, which was completely new= to me. Ben told me about the new zipline add-on they had. it sounded fun, = but he said it took about 40 minutes and was an extra cost, and since i had= my son with me, i doubted he would be patient while i did it, so i passed.= =20 the new River Battle looked like too much fun to pass up, so we queued for = it without using our Qbot, as the line was pretty short. this has to be one= of the most simplistically silly fun rides ive ever been on. just a slow m= oving barge running outdoors where 8 people sit 4 on either side with water= guns and ride around on a barely moving little water track and try and sho= ot the other boats as well as the people on land trying to shoot you. this = is the sort of ride that every park needs at least one of. its small, proba= bly easy to maintain as it have very few parts i imagine. great fun, and pr= obably my sons favorite ride of the day, though i will have to admit that t= he hand crank guns gave my arm quite a workout. next up was easily my favorite ride of the day, if not now one of my favori= te rides anywhere, Mystery Mine. this to me is a crowning jewel at the park= , and again something that every park should have a version of. the theming= was top notch dark ride, and the 2 vertical climbs were wonderfully discon= certing. just a fun intense little ride. another great ride for Dollywood.= =20 my only problem here was with the merch area. i saw a couple of t-shirt des= igns i really liked for the ride, but the sizes available went from L to 3X= L, nothing in between. and while i can usually get away with a L, this was = definitely sized smaller than most L shirts. the woman at the counter said = it was all they had out, but said that they might have some at the Emporium= at the front of the park (come to find later, they didnt). again, just odd= .=20 we were all starting to get tired at this point, but no trip to Dollywood i= s complete without a ride on Thunderhead. Ben saved me a spot on the Qbot w= hile we munched on fried catfish and steak fries(both were awesome). after = about 20 minutes my ride was ready and i again took a spot in the front sea= t. as with Tornado and the Mine, its a very intense ride that packs a lot i= nto its footprint. it was running rougher than i remember, but i had tons o= f airtime thanks to a very loose seatbelt.=20 Ben and my son were waiting in the little play area that had been built jus= t outside of the Thunderhead track. again, this was a nice touch for famili= es. it lets the adults in the group ride Thunderhead while providing a grea= t place for the smaller kids to play while they are waiting. nice touch. we made our way back to the front of the park where i hit the Emporium (and= my nowhere to be seen Mystery Mine shirt) and bought a couple of small ite= ms before we left. good thing to, as the sky opened up on the way to our ca= r. so all in all, a nice day at Dollywood. the park has some odd quirks as of = late, but its still one of the better parks in the country for quality and = price. if i lived in the area, i would definitely have a season passes too.= i cant say that for just any park out there either.=20 From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Jun 14 09:01:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10367 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 16:01:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 16:01:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 16:01:20 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1725373qwd.1 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.11.9 with SMTP id r9mr6374956qar.215.1244995219934; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3248880qwb.36.2009.06.14.09.00.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4a351e93.47c1f10a.7419.fffffb5c@mx.google.com> To: Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:00:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906132027t3569c775lf84b462db4b461fc@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcnsoC4mpHI+l76cSE25JMVf4d0KXwAZ3TEg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks Chapt... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Y2DEcJvy3--omjFxzENqsUbp0-heizkxTqHKSeq2u-bxLkM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Yeah, but the difference isthat CF is making a net profit, where SF had a bunch of terrible quarters, causing them to not meet their due dateson their debt. I dontthink CF has any major due dates soon on their loans, which combined with the contnued profitability puts them in a much better position." As Cameron mentioned, SF is cash flow positive on a park level, even in bad quarters they have brought in money. This was really more of a "when" issue as opposed to "if". The chain has been carrying debt forever (I think since the early 90's). In all honesty I think the current financial issues in the world have helped SF. Five years ago the debt-holders would have had no incentive to cooperate. If Six Flags would have defaulted or proposed bankruptcy the debt holders could have said no, pushed for the parks to be sold to other investment groups (which have pulled back in the current market), or sold the park property for real estate (the value of which has plummeted- see SFMM) and sold the rides for scrap (the value of which has plummeted [although coming back]). At this point those owed money could either take over the parks and get almost nothing, or work with SF and continue to get something. Even though the current economic issues made Six Flags not able to re-finance the debt and do business as usual, IMHO it also gave them the chance to have their debt holders in a corner and allow them to come out from what has been a compounding money problem for almost two decades. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 18:19:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41703 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2009 01:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2009 01:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2009 01:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 01:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 01:19:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:19:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.13.112 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=D8BdUR4hWA2sibmjkrYH87wzuyXk-R6OutaVLAtTq6Cpr5cKvn0u X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I remember reading your trip report years ago, but I don't remember > the details of why you didn't like the park. < I guess there was no way the park could live up to the hype from so many co= aster enthusiasts at the time. But I found the food mediocre (I mean, come= on! They had run out of cheese pizza!), the help generally disinterested = and often reckless (jumping back and forth across coaster tracks as the tra= ins came in) and the theming laughable and half-hearted. It didn't help th= at the temperature was in the high 90s with steep humidity both days we wer= e there. Legend (with the Gerstlauers) beat the snot out of me. Raven was= okay, but not the godsend I'd been led to believe. Maybe a night ride wou= ld change my opinion. I actually think I'd like Voyage -- but I'd probably only ride it once (and= in the front, of course). Great TR on KI, too! Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 21:29:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64293 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2009 04:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2009 04:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2009 04:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 04:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 04:29:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:28:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F872C8A-09A7-47CF-9E34-E73D8C5B307E@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.46.121 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Breaking News: It's Official - Six Flags seeks Chapt... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=v0udkErzf1uTnqNPdVgY5OpPhOaoQl-t_3irxTPLJZOmBk3xyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 There may be some creative bookeeping and corporate arrangements going on w= ith that though, Cameron. For example, I no longer work for Six Flags International, but instead am p= aid by "Six Flags Great America of Gurnee, LLC", which is a change from two= years ago.=20 It seems that the parks are keeping all of the profits on the books, while = SFI takes all the debts and losses. I almost wonder if the one or two unpro= fitable parks are still working directly within the SFI structure... I'm no corporate lawyer, but it looks like a pretty decent plan, as SFI wil= l work through the bankruptcy court to eliminate most or all of the red ink= while the parks continue to operate somewhat independently / autonomously = until everything is "squared away". Chris =20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > Every single Six Flags park makes money (as quoted by the higher-ups=20=20 > at Magic Mountain during West Coast Bash). Even if they were=20=20 > generalizing, and one or two parks aren't profitable, it's still a=20=20 > good situation for the company to be in. These guys were also saying=20=20 > that the the parks have a very bright future, etc. This was during an = =20 > informal Q&A session, not for stock-holders, etc .. so I see no reason = =20 > why they would have lied. >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: >=20 > > Yeah, but the difference isthat CF is making a net profit, where SF > > had a bunch of terrible quarters, causing them to not meet their due > > dateson their debt. I dontthink CF has any major due dates soon on > > their loans, which combined with the contnued profitability puts them > > in a much better position. > > > > -mike > > > > On 6/13/09, george burnash wrote: > >> Briguy7568@... wrote: > >> > >>> "Like we didn't see that this was going to happen. I wonder how=20=20 > >>> long it > >>> will be before CF may have to do the same? " > >>> > >>> I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, NEVER! I think things = =20 > >>> are a > >>> little more solvent over there. They have a much better business=20=20 > >>> model > >>> than > >>> the Flags. Plus, the operations at Cedar Fair parks are much more > >>> organized > >>> and more enjoyable than that of some of the Six Flags parks I have = =20 > >>> visited > >>> in the past. > >>> > >> > >> Their park operations and "enjoyableness" have absolutely nothing=20=20 > >> to do > >> with it. It comes down to simple money. Being enjoyable doesn't=20=20 > >> make > >> creditors happy. Paying them does. Six Flags isn't able to pay=20=20 > >> them, > >> so they file. > >> > >> Here's what I found on Cedar Fair: > >>> Cedar Fair continues to carry about $1.7 billion in long-term debt, > >> > >> largely from its purchase of Paramount Parks. The company generated > >> > >> just under $1 billion in annual revenue in 2008 with $5.7 million=20=20 > >> in net > >> > >> income. > >> > >> That means that Cedar Fair's debt load is about $600 million less=20=20 > >> than > >> Six Flags, but they also have only 17 parks in comparison to Six=20=20 > >> Flags > >> 20 That's not much difference when it comes to a per-park basis. = =20 > >> Or, > >> in other words, Cedar Fair isn't really in much better straights than > >> Six Flags. Some, certainly, but not a lot. They've got to make up a > >> lot of ground soon if they don't want to fall into the same problem. > >> > >> keep on ridin' > >> George > >> (who isn't really surprised either. At least it's chapter 11 and not > >> chapter 7) > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------ > >> With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoas= terTalk > > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the=20=20 > > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo!=20=20 > > Groups Links > > > > > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Jun 14 21:38:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45191 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2009 04:38:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2009 04:38:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2009 04:38:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 04:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 04:37:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:37:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.46.121 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=CSev9EokcctwoTPv_D_OaludtkvGBKaS9z-RhrT-mlCGuWf5zQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Thank you, Jay. I've read lots of rave reviews about HW, as well, and I jus= t didn't feel that the park lived up to them. Trash in the midways, surly a= nd lethargic ride ops do not impress me. If a park can't "wow" me on a general admission day, then I don't honestly = care if they have great enthusiast events.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" = wrote: > > > I remember reading your trip report years ago, but I don't remember > > the details of why you didn't like the park. < >=20 > I guess there was no way the park could live up to the hype from so many = coaster enthusiasts at the time. But I found the food mediocre (I mean, co= me on! They had run out of cheese pizza!), the help generally disintereste= d and often reckless (jumping back and forth across coaster tracks as the t= rains came in) and the theming laughable and half-hearted. It didn't help = that the temperature was in the high 90s with steep humidity both days we w= ere there. Legend (with the Gerstlauers) beat the snot out of me. Raven w= as okay, but not the godsend I'd been led to believe. Maybe a night ride w= ould change my opinion. >=20 > I actually think I'd like Voyage -- but I'd probably only ride it once (a= nd in the front, of course). >=20 > Great TR on KI, too! >=20 > Jay > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Jun 15 08:35:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60882 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2009 15:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2009 15:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2009 15:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 15:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 15:35:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:35:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: TR: Dollywood 6/14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=wgWG2oogUiLlOLiKBpu3xAOmztByMwJxj3LogCCKzfnaKCHyy6dZ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck =20 > we were all starting to get tired at this point, but no trip to >Dollywoo= d is complete without a ride on Thunderhead.=20 Sorry, let me correct that sentence for you... "No trip to Dollywood is com= plete without a loaf of cinnamon bread from the gristmill." There you go..= . now your TR is complete and accurate!=20=20 Seriously though, glad you had fun, DW is a great park and always a good ti= me. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Jun 15 11:41:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32545 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2009 18:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2009 18:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2009 18:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 18:39:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2009 18:39:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:39:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.7.118.145 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: Dollywood 6/14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=k6R_hwI7P8-WVH-hRCF2j3pw2gT5EVnrWKEP6RbOHpKRPTJRlTDymmXxog X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = wrote: > >=20=20 > > we were all starting to get tired at this point, but no trip to >Dollyw= ood is complete without a ride on Thunderhead.=20 >=20 > Sorry, let me correct that sentence for you... "No trip to Dollywood is c= omplete without a loaf of cinnamon bread from the gristmill." There you go= ... now your TR is complete and accurate!=20=20 oh, i didnt get to half the shops i wanted to. thats one of those parks i w= ish i had the time peruse every single one, but i just didnt have the time.= =20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Jun 15 20:47:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31135 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2009 03:47:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2009 03:47:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2009 03:47:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2009 03:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2009 03:46:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:46:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.46.121 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Dollywood 6/14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=vwpiJLa9xM0DKCzLW0yi-JGZOyFONBiel9QN_NqfCZutIejQrw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = wrote: > >=20=20 > > we were all starting to get tired at this point, but no trip to >Dollyw= ood is complete without a ride on Thunderhead.=20 >=20 > Sorry, let me correct that sentence for you... "No trip to Dollywood is c= omplete without a loaf of cinnamon bread from the gristmill." There you go= ... now your TR is complete and accurate!=20=20 >=20 > Seriously though, glad you had fun, DW is a great park and always a good = time. SOOOOOOO YUMMY! The bad thing is that it's so easy to eat an entire loaf by yourself! Chris From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jun 16 18:02:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50352 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2009 01:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2009 01:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2009 01:02:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2009 01:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2009 01:01:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:01:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.162.46.121 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Lagoon Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=GtlgEE-b35TTY8XMce_kxM__7cjmKPEYOtm8BCY4DwHxMgrSkA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Has anyone been? I have a 4 hour layover at SLC Airport on a Sunday, and th= e park looks to be about 20-25 minutes away. I can't imagine that I'd get a= n honest, complete experience at the park, but I'm wondering if it would be= worth it to check it out for about 2 hours, considering how far away from = other metro areas it is. 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For those i= nterested, you can find it here: Jay From gredingfamily@gmail.com Wed Jun 17 19:37:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gredingfamily@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60574 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 02:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 02:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 02:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 02:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 02:36:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:36:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.199.15.171 From: "Tom G." Subject: Re: MISC: Lagoon Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=290477880; y=vrgVBpancARlHbaOFmtAIh4-sMHk7D7T2x5xzwctqXi9Nw X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Has anyone been? I have a 4 hour layover at SLC Airport on a Sunday, and = the park looks to be about 20-25 minutes away. I can't imagine that I'd get= an honest, complete experience at the park, but I'm wondering if it would = be worth it to check it out for about 2 hours, considering how far away fro= m other metro areas it is. >=20 > Chris > I live about 20 minutes from Lagoon. Yes, you should be able to get there = from the airport in about 20 minutes or so. At $42 for admission it is a l= ittle pricey for just a couple of hours, but if that doesn't bother you the= n it should be a good bit better than sitting in the airport for half a day= . You'll have to pay to park also, but I can't remember how much. On a Sunday, crowds shouldn't be too bad, as a good percentage of the local= s are all being good boys and girls and going to church that day. Be sure = to ride the wooden rollercoaster (aptly named "rollercoaster") that sticks = out into the parking lot. It's a John Miller built in 1921, and is usually= maintained fairly well. The line usually isn't very long, and it should g= ive you a nice classic wood coaster ride. I prefer the back seat.=20=20 The wild mouse is pretty good, with some nice "bust your gut" turns at the = top and little whiplash hills at the bottom. The Spider is a spinning coas= ter, which I think is pretty fun, but don't expect any high speeds, tall he= ights or high forces. But each ride is a little different, depending on ho= w your car is spinning as it goes around the track. This will be one of th= e longer lines in the park. There is an old portable Schwarzkopf double lo= oper that is permanently installed. It feels fast and is rather forcefull,= so be sure to try that if you like to "feel" your coaster rides. The line= for this one should not be long. The most recent coaster "Wicked" is tower launch coaster--the kind that goe= s straight up and straight down. I haven't been to the park in a couple of= years so I have not ridden this one yet. There is an inverted coaster cal= led "the Bat" that is very tame. I'd put this one last on your list of coa= sters to try. The "Jet Star" is one of those old single-car mini-steel coa= sters they were building back in the 70's. The cars seat like the old log = flume rides, with a bench seat running from front to back down the middle a= nd you sit straddling the bench. Nice if you are there with someone you li= ke to get close to, as you can wrap your arms around their waist and hold o= n tight, but quite akward if you get paired up with a stranger. The line w= on't be long but it moves kind of slow. There is also a good collection of flat rides, but nothing you haven't seen= at any other park. The only food that I have found to be at least memorab= le is the old-fashioned ice cream shop located in Pioneer Village. Expensi= ve, but yummy. Let us know if you make it there! -tom. From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Jun 17 22:51:26 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92701 invoked by uid 7800); 18 Jun 2009 05:51:21 -0000 Date: 18 Jun 2009 05:51:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1245304281.17.92700.m3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=PVKvz5WyT1AnolHXX92aU4uJU2JQzWD1245304255-1" --YCalReminder=PVKvz5WyT1AnolHXX92aU4uJU2JQzWD1245304255-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=PVKvz5WyT1AnolHXX92aU4uJU2JQzWD1245304255-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 23:25:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3349 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 06:25:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 06:25:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 06:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 06:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 06:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 06:25:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:25:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.162 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Lagoon Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=XgDe4vmZUnTYYKbyHcqzIhjFcYRAaTfPYFM9GT6JgloLwBPrrw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tom G." wrot= e: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > > > Has anyone been? I have a 4 hour layover at SLC Airport on a Sunday, an= d the park looks to be about 20-25 minutes away. I can't imagine that I'd g= et an honest, complete experience at the park, but I'm wondering if it woul= d be worth it to check it out for about 2 hours, considering how far away f= rom other metro areas it is. > >=20 > > Chris > > >=20 > I live about 20 minutes from Lagoon. Yes, you should be able to get ther= e from the airport in about 20 minutes or so. At $42 for admission it is a= little pricey for just a couple of hours, but if that doesn't bother you t= hen it should be a good bit better than sitting in the airport for half a d= ay. You'll have to pay to park also, but I can't remember how much. >=20 > On a Sunday, crowds shouldn't be too bad, as a good percentage of the loc= als are all being good boys and girls and going to church that day. Be sur= e to ride the wooden rollercoaster (aptly named "rollercoaster") that stick= s out into the parking lot. It's a John Miller built in 1921, and is usual= ly maintained fairly well. The line usually isn't very long, and it should= give you a nice classic wood coaster ride. I prefer the back seat.=20=20 >=20 > The wild mouse is pretty good, with some nice "bust your gut" turns at th= e top and little whiplash hills at the bottom. The Spider is a spinning co= aster, which I think is pretty fun, but don't expect any high speeds, tall = heights or high forces. But each ride is a little different, depending on = how your car is spinning as it goes around the track. This will be one of = the longer lines in the park. There is an old portable Schwarzkopf double = looper that is permanently installed. It feels fast and is rather forceful= l, so be sure to try that if you like to "feel" your coaster rides. The li= ne for this one should not be long. >=20 > The most recent coaster "Wicked" is tower launch coaster--the kind that g= oes straight up and straight down. I haven't been to the park in a couple = of years so I have not ridden this one yet. There is an inverted coaster c= alled "the Bat" that is very tame. I'd put this one last on your list of c= oasters to try. The "Jet Star" is one of those old single-car mini-steel c= oasters they were building back in the 70's. The cars seat like the old lo= g flume rides, with a bench seat running from front to back down the middle= and you sit straddling the bench. Nice if you are there with someone you = like to get close to, as you can wrap your arms around their waist and hold= on tight, but quite akward if you get paired up with a stranger. The line= won't be long but it moves kind of slow. >=20 > There is also a good collection of flat rides, but nothing you haven't se= en at any other park. The only food that I have found to be at least memor= able is the old-fashioned ice cream shop located in Pioneer Village. Expen= sive, but yummy. Let us know if you make it there! >=20 > -tom. > Thank you!=20 The coasters ranked by my priority would be Rolleroaster, Wicked, Colossus = TFG, Jet Star 2, Spider, Wild Mouse, Puff TLFG and finally, Bat. If I can = get them all in 2 or 2.5 hours, great. If not, I'll be OK.=20 Based on a little research, it should cost me about $30 each way in a taxi,= and I'm totally fine with paying $42 to a non-corporate park. So, if I'm good for cash, then I'm absolutely going to do this on August 16= th. Chris From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Jun 18 01:01:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92058 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 08:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 08:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 08:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 08:00:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 08:00:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:00:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: boooooobies.... (coaster related, I swear) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=YEciMqhLurRjCYdZInLSfxAssJoTXe4iB-JOxb29S86CvwIS-9zQ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Lifted right off of Screamscape... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2479050/Underwear-models-test= -bras-agaisnt-the-g-force-of-Alton-Towers-ridesgirls-in-bras-on-ridesbabes-= test-underwear-on-rides.html From lance@screamscape.com Thu Jun 18 03:20:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28339 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 10:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 10:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb56.inmotionhosting.com) (74.124.219.14) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 10:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb56.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MHEin-0007ev-NO for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:19:53 -0700 Message-ID: <8F4AAD58E6ED4122A95EA77A8299D48B@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:19:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb56.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 74.124.219.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] boooooobies.... (coaster related, I swear) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=oGugfd63xa_izikn0v6oarOQ3HTgZiAVxDukTxbWj5rC17LJth5ZkdNuYw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance You gotta love the UK... first naked coaster riding and now using coasters to test bras... ----- Original Message ----- From: "tommytheduck" To: Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] boooooobies.... (coaster related, I swear) Lifted right off of Screamscape... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2479050/Underwear-models-test-bras-agaisnt-the-g-force-of-Alton-Towers-ridesgirls-in-bras-on-ridesbabes-test-underwear-on-rides.html From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jun 18 07:13:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23107 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 14:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 14:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f201.google.com) (209.85.221.201) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 14:13:30 -0000 X-Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so1379913qyk.21 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.91.133 with SMTP id n5mr1508853vcm.102.1245334349306; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:12:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] boooooobies.... (coaster related, I swear) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KKGywf4fLjOjCSP96BX01O2xsACUPccVhaCi2xD-VrR5_Ph0GQXFyT8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Lifted right off of Screamscape... > > http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2479050/Underwear-models-test-bras-agaisnt-the-g-force-of-Alton-Towers-ridesgirls-in-bras-on-ridesbabes-test-underwear-on-rides.html I'm guessing most ACErs don't have much interest in this. ;) -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Jun 18 08:27:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62850 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 15:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 15:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f192.google.com) (209.85.210.192) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 15:27:42 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f192.google.com with SMTP id 30so20801yxe.29 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:27:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.250.16 with SMTP id x16mr2246050anh.25.1245338861908; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:27:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:27:41 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0906180827k46e03e30s9e00bdfd549ffce7@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] boooooobies.... (coaster related, I swear) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=vOCJkQ7Zbvg2ma26dhqJc3-naOrLN8SrKDoN2LQeU-D3UOOvVg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Well, some of them could benefit from learning how to support their man-boo= bs?? Regardless, this is a great find. Thanks :) Josh On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Nate Kohlrusch w= rote: > > >> Lifted right off of Screamscape... >> >> >> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2479050/Underwear-models-t= est-bras-agaisnt-the-g-force-of-Alton-Towers-ridesgirls-in-bras-on-ridesbab= es-test-underwear-on-rides.html > > I'm guessing most ACErs don't have much interest in this. ;) > > -Nate >=20 From amanda.gershkowitz@rdfnewyork.com Thu Jun 18 11:27:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: amanda.gershkowitz@rdfnewyork.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35383 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 18:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 18:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 18:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 18:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 18:27:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:27:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.152.29.194 From: "amanda_gershkowitz" Subject: CASTING ROLLER COASTER LOVERS!!!!!!! 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Subject: Re: MISC: Lagoon Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=290477880; y=9ett4m8c-4WECx5oEI7-RAT7YDT4EB_fTdsG7iaWp6WhYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 >=20 > The coasters ranked by my priority would be Rolleroaster, Wicked, Colossu= s TFG, Jet Star 2, Spider, Wild Mouse, Puff TLFG and finally, Bat. If I ca= n get them all in 2 or 2.5 hours, great. If not, I'll be OK.=20 >=20 > Based on a little research, it should cost me about $30 each way in a tax= i, and I'm totally fine with paying $42 to a non-corporate park. >=20 > So, if I'm good for cash, then I'm absolutely going to do this on August = 16th. >=20 > Chris > That priority sounds about right. You probably already figured this out, b= ut Puff TLFG is a kiddie coaster. Another thing to consider, Rollercoaster= , Wicked, Collossus, Spider and Wild Mouse are all close together on the ri= ght (as you walk in) or south side of the park. Jet Star 2 and Bat are on = the north side, a good 5 minute or so walk away. The kiddie coaster is kin= d of in the middle. To save time you might want to consider that in your p= riority list. Enjoy! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 18 22:50:48 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23203 invoked by uid 7800); 19 Jun 2009 05:50:41 -0000 Date: 19 Jun 2009 05:50:41 -0000 Message-ID: <1245390641.512.23183.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=VbHySEVVFNwbXOFeTIMsqBqIV1245390625-1" --YCalReminder=VbHySEVVFNwbXOFeTIMsqBqIV1245390625-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Freedom Land U.S.A opened Friday June 19, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=VbHySEVVFNwbXOFeTIMsqBqIV1245390625-1-- From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Jun 20 15:30:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19384 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2009 22:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2009 22:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.64) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2009 22:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MI94v-0008O1-LK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:30:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4A3D62F9.4020700@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:30:17 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47875b50b95f23b7ac12d12a2bdb18b6f056f71bdd66a1604c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CASTING ROLLER COASTER LOVERS!!!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=hyKA2ZpQqM4akEaWnG17ECgxw_qFjfIOA3nEl19K87IuDZY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash amanda_gershkowitz wrote: > > ABC's WIFE SWAP CASTING ROLLER COASTER ENTHUSIAST FAMILIES!!! > And just in case anyone was wondering- yes, that was a legit message, with a legitimate offer. It's real. It's not something I'm interested in, but I did think it would be quite interesting if someone from the list was selected. :) George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Jun 20 17:52:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33979 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2009 00:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2009 00:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.209) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2009 00:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a3d83b7298; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:49:59 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bbe.4ee19d5a (39329) for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:50:36 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CASTING ROLLER COASTER LOVERS!!!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=sLDYkpXoEWX1xXsOniTof1jqLeW1TdR-2Xqq8itc7v7uzX8GBA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I was qualified, I'd try out. The only qualification I have is that I love coasters! I don't have a fam, wife or anything. If I could get some actors to play those parts, I could find some to put a coaster fam together! **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 20 22:50:47 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25197 invoked by uid 7800); 21 Jun 2009 05:50:43 -0000 Date: 21 Jun 2009 05:50:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1245563443.8.25194.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=3YJWYPAa8gki6gm8YUFXAqMRQ5EzOA1245563438-1" --YCalReminder=3YJWYPAa8gki6gm8YUFXAqMRQ5EzOA1245563438-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Coney Island (Ohio) opened Sunday June 21, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Notes: On this date in 1886, Coney Island opened its gates in Cincinnati, Ohio. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=3YJWYPAa8gki6gm8YUFXAqMRQ5EzOA1245563438-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Coney Island (Ohio) opened
 
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--YCalReminder=3YJWYPAa8gki6gm8YUFXAqMRQ5EzOA1245563438-1-- From citymoose5@yahoo.com Sun Jun 21 17:11:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: citymoose5@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52339 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2009 00:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2009 00:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 00:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2009 00:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2009 00:10:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:10:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.114.100.162 From: "citymoose5" Subject: Intro Post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=371994184; y=6ldR-nGNU5043HP4CgVNuhqilcjWBmNXmwjHEdtnJee-Qa-4Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: citymoose5 I'm the kid that used to get "lost" at amusement parks just to be able to r= ide coasters. Now my kids are trying to keep up with me when we hit the par= ks.=20 We consider SFGAdv. as our home park and are close to Dorney and Hershey as= well. At SFGAdv. I love to go down the first drop on Nitro with my legs u= p and reaching forward to touch my toes. What a rush! I used to play a game whenever I went to a park. I couldn't leave until I = rode at least one ride for every dollar I paid to get into the park. Thus = if the admission price was $35, I wanted to get on at least 35 rides. The = game is getting a little more difficult to play as admission prices have go= ne up and lines have become longer. So the season pass thing is becoming t= he way to go - very easy to get on one ride per dollar spent that way! I'm looking forward to sharing our common enthusiasm for coasters and parks= . From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 21 22:51:32 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41670 invoked by uid 7800); 22 Jun 2009 05:51:28 -0000 Date: 22 Jun 2009 05:51:28 -0000 Message-ID: <1245649888.14.41669.m3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=CPJoqlGReK6Oclkukgt1vPMH6JR8tPD1245649850-1" --YCalReminder=CPJoqlGReK6Oclkukgt1vPMH6JR8tPD1245649850-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal V2: Vertical Velocity re-opened Monday June 22, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Vallejo, California Notes: V2: Vertical Velocity re-opened on this date in 2002 (after a major redesign), at Six Flags (Marine World) Discovery Kingdom, in Vallejo, CA. Originally opened in 2001, it's forward 90 degree vertical tower was tilted to a 45 degree inclined tower. The rear tower thought still vertical, was shortened to 150'. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=CPJoqlGReK6Oclkukgt1vPMH6JR8tPD1245649850-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   V2: Vertical Velocity re-opened
 
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--YCalReminder=CPJoqlGReK6Oclkukgt1vPMH6JR8tPD1245649850-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 21 22:51:54 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77861 invoked by uid 7800); 22 Jun 2009 05:51:54 -0000 Date: 22 Jun 2009 05:51:54 -0000 Message-ID: <1245649914.26.77860.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=CXnbuAOiH1ahjQOPD1245649850-1" --YCalReminder=CXnbuAOiH1ahjQOPD1245649850-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Xcelerator opened Monday June 22, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Buena Park, California Notes: Xcelerator opened on this date in 2002, at Knott's Berry Farm in Buena Park, CA. It is credited with being the first Hydraulically Launched roller coaster. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=CXnbuAOiH1ahjQOPD1245649850-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Title:   Xcelerator opened
 
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--YCalReminder=CXnbuAOiH1ahjQOPD1245649850-1-- From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 22 10:21:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68862 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2009 17:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2009 17:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 17:21:40 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1516581qwb.47 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.97.67 with SMTP id k3mr4181956vcn.7.1245691225727; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:20:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906131224u79d088e1n7f177a666a07eb93@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0906131224u79d088e1n7f177a666a07eb93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:20:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Trip Part III (Kings Island) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=zauShcpxWw9KFVuFrJU5BLbaxqRf4dFrL5Zj1e0kCyV5JSqofBal48w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Good report. =A0I feel basically the same about kings island based on my > 1 and 1/2 visits. =A0Adventure express and cockpit were really fun > rides, and I really enjoy the FOFs. =A0Invertigo is a lot better than I > expected, and is probaly my favorite of the 3 bomerang types. I still think Deja Vu is one of the best experiences ever and easily superior to the smaller models, but the Invertigos are highly underrated rides, IMO. > I think I'll eventually feel about the same as you on Diamondback, > when I make it out there again. =A0The B&M hypercoasters are > consistently dissapointing and boring. Agreed, and I'm quite sure you'll find Diamondback to be equally disappointing. It's just like Nitro. There's nothing "new" about it other than the trains, which don't provide for any more forces than the old ones. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Jun 22 10:34:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55806 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2009 17:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2009 17:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 17:34:04 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1837011qwf.30 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.74.2 with SMTP id s2mr4324992vcj.37.1245691983183; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Memorial Day Road Rrip Part I (Holiday World) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Az_9RCo6Mo_kcftrlLXXPo1aCEWHRPY9rLw7wt-R6nQEmp-7z5UMRh0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I guess there was no way the park could live up to the hype from so many > coaster enthusiasts at the time. But I found the food mediocre (I mean, come > on! They had run out of cheese pizza!), the help generally disinterested and > often reckless (jumping back and forth across coaster tracks as the trains > came in) and the theming laughable and half-hearted. I agree with most of this. Holiday World (like Cedar Point and Knoebels) gets tons of praise from enthusiasts. None of those parks live up to it, IMO. That said, food is definitely mediocre (or worse) at Holiday World. The staff are, I think, often genuinely friendly, though nowhere near what you'd expect for a park that is consistently rated the "friendlest in the country". (To be fair, I'm not sure there are any parks where the staff are surprisingly good...maybe Dollywood?). I think the safety/operations issues have been corrected, as I didn't see any of that during my most recent visit. It's something I've often spoke out against, though, as i think it's an unsafe practice. Holiday World certainly isn't the only place I've seen employees crossing coaster tracks while rides are in operation (Knoebels anyone?). Theming is what it is. I don't think it's any better or worse than any other small family-owned park (or any of the Cedar Fair park, for that matter). > It didn't help that the > temperature was in the high 90s with steep humidity both days we were there. Probably a good point. I know I've been unfairly harsh on parks when it's been ungodly hot and/or crowded. > Legend (with the Gerstlauers) beat the snot out of me. Raven was okay, but > not the godsend I'd been led to believe. Maybe a night ride would change my > opinion. > > I actually think I'd like Voyage -- but I'd probably only ride it once (and > in the front, of course). I think a night ride on Raven would probably change anyone's mind. Legend has improved significantly with the PTC trains in terms of comfort, but it's still a highly aggressive ride. It's not rough, but it definitely throws you around and you're forced to do some pretty defensive riding. Voyage is the same, though I find it less uncomfortable than the Legend. You may enjoy a ride in the front - I'd be intereted to know - but I also know how wild that ride can be. > Great TR on KI, too! Thanks! -Nate From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Jun 22 22:51:25 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88815 invoked by uid 7800); 23 Jun 2009 05:51:17 -0000 Date: 23 Jun 2009 05:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1245736277.519.88773.m4@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=LMyWmEJIOjC4AF6BodnNLUb6GwW3CUT1245736227-1" --YCalReminder=LMyWmEJIOjC4AF6BodnNLUb6GwW3CUT1245736227-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Upper Clements Theme Park opened Tuesday June 23, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=LMyWmEJIOjC4AF6BodnNLUb6GwW3CUT1245736227-1-- From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jun 23 22:51:40 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75516 invoked by uid 7800); 24 Jun 2009 05:51:32 -0000 Date: 24 Jun 2009 05:51:32 -0000 Message-ID: <1245822692.514.75498.m6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=Wh8t9SIvpOsVzi5xRiiWU1245822615-1" --YCalReminder=Wh8t9SIvpOsVzi5xRiiWU1245822615-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Sonnenlandpark opened Wednesday June 24, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Lichtenau, Saxony, Germany Notes: Sonnenlandpark opened its gates in Lichtenau, Saxony, Germany. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=Wh8t9SIvpOsVzi5xRiiWU1245822615-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=Wh8t9SIvpOsVzi5xRiiWU1245822615-1-- From kwalduop@yahoo.com Wed Jun 24 15:48:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kwalduop@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61860 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2009 22:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2009 22:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2009 22:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2009 22:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2009 22:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2009 22:48:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:48:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.225.237.87 From: "kwalduop" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149107330; y=UPN94TOJvOEcZp_7j9NF3etUR80BEHtFGh8b8pCft6JKlJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kwalduop Goliath (at Magic Mountian) and it's sister coaster Titan aren't by Intamin= . It's from a separate company called Giovanola. My husband did the contr= ols for both rides. Kara --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" w= rote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 > wrote: >=20=20 > > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It=20 > > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there.=20 >=20 > which can be said about SROS, Goliath, Millineum Force, and many of the=20 > other Intamins that people tend to fawn over. > From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jun 24 15:57:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33685 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2009 22:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2009 22:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2009 22:56:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4079 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2009 22:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 24 Jun 2009 22:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4A42AF25.50309@buzzneon.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:56:37 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Windows/2009051123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=GDMV1UQMHUDL8zRrx2iE1j9ykO7ubtKAE67GIqt75ECwr5H_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I don't suppose your husband is looking for any software guys? I've been doing real-time embedded stuff for 14 years! Cameron. kwalduop wrote: > Goliath (at Magic Mountian) and it's sister coaster Titan aren't by Intamin. It's from a separate company called Giovanola. My husband did the controls for both rides. > > Kara > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" >> wrote: >> >> >>> And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It >>> was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there. >>> >> which can be said about SROS, Goliath, Millineum Force, and many of the >> other Intamins that people tend to fawn over. >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From kwalduop@yahoo.com Wed Jun 24 16:03:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kwalduop@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98286 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2009 23:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2009 23:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2009 23:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2009 23:02:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2009 23:02:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:02:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.225.237.87 From: "kwalduop" Subject: Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149107330; y=_FZQSDSabUc7JczyOr8cadHaFwwo0QDUW7enusm4LAEA0P8 X-Yahoo-Profile: kwalduop I forgot to mention that my husband is now working on Ring Racer and has wo= rked on Hypersonic and Dodonpa. I've been on both types of launch coasters = (air and hydraulic) and both scare me a little. I guess that comes from kn= owing too much about them. There are even some rides that my husband looks= at and we decide not to go on due to safety issues (I can't remember which= ones off hand.) Kara p.s. The Discovery Channel special on the making of Goliath has my husband= in it. He's in the last seat on the "first" train. He's slightly goofy a= nd waves at the camera as he goes by. He's also in the background in other= shots. Has anyone been near Titan when it openes in the morning? Does it's horn s= till beep in morse code? --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "kwalduop" wrote: > > Goliath (at Magic Mountian) and it's sister coaster Titan aren't by Intam= in. It's from a separate company called Giovanola. My husband did the con= trols for both rides. >=20 > Kara >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wr= ote: > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 > > wrote: > >=20=20 > > > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It= =20 > > > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there.=20 > >=20 > > which can be said about SROS, Goliath, Millineum Force, and many of the= =20 > > other Intamins that people tend to fawn over. > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Jun 24 17:28:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35791 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2009 00:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2009 00:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f205.google.com) (209.85.217.205) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 00:28:19 -0000 X-Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1so1028394gxk.9 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:28:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.31.132 with SMTP id y4mr683892ibc.10.1245889694679; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:28:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:28:14 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906241728m1871491en77261d6b411c8315@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SF vs CF (again) (was "coaster withdrawl) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Oo0TkllHkHZCvdqIR1btsv25Vl-4MdxxMXh7PymlHzQgtNE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska You are correct about Goliath at MM being Giovanola, but there is an Intamin Goliath and 1 by B&M. The ride that post was referring to I'm guessing was the Goliath at Six Flags Holland. It's a not-quite-hypercoaster (if memory serves it's around 180ft) which has a beautiful setting and, in my opinion, an awe inspiring layout. Wasn't this the first coaster to have the Stengle dive? Most reports I've read lead me to think I may not beas impressed by it as I anticipate, but I love the gracefulness, artistry, and the unique way the ride seems to manipulate forces to put the train and riders into such odd positions. These are the same reasons I still list Millenium Force as my #1, which many have a hard time understanding. I f I had a choice to ride Goliath (sfh) or Expedition ge-force, I would choose goliath. The BnM goliath is at six flags over georgia. That's really cool about your husband though, you'll have to let us know what he thinks of Ring Racer when it's done. Its hard to find goodinfo, but if that one turn around is the only actual thing the ride does (which seems to be the case) it would be rather dissapointing...but that acceloration is going to be nuts. -mike On 6/24/09, kwalduop wrote: > Goliath (at Magic Mountian) and it's sister coaster Titan aren't by Intamin. > It's from a separate company called Giovanola. My husband did the controls > for both rides. > > Kara > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" > wrote: >> >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" >> wrote: >> >> > And, I'm just gonna disagree with Magnum being a major evolution. It >> > was just a somewhat bigger version of what was already out there. >> >> which can be said about SROS, Goliath, Millineum Force, and many of the >> other Intamins that people tend to fawn over. >> > > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Jun 24 20:14:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54226 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2009 03:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2009 03:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 03:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2009 03:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2009 03:14:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:14:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Worlds of Fun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=zUFByp4xj7ntrCVtQKkXew1nHHqMMKmrTYtrJeMjIStzzUgv30Tr X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Yay! I'll be making my first trip ever to WOF tomorrow (Thurs) I hope it'= s not too crowded as I'll only have probably 4-5 hours. I'll be taking the= bus from a hotel downtown. Looking forward to it. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jun 24 21:17:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51774 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2009 04:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2009 04:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 04:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2009 04:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2009 04:17:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:17:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.202.48.226 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Worlds of Fun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=YiPcxqF-zao7wJyZ6-rU3-CwQG3qgWj7HKfj8kOH-Xltrh849g X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = wrote: > > Yay! I'll be making my first trip ever to WOF tomorrow (Thurs) I hope i= t's not too crowded as I'll only have probably 4-5 hours. I'll be taking t= he bus from a hotel downtown. Looking forward to it. > Isn't tomorrow the day that the ACE convention moves to Worlds of Fun? Chris From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Jun 25 13:41:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24788 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2009 20:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2009 20:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 20:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a43e0c5265; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:40:37 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c37.55924e2d (37098) for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:40:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.102] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB078-90ea4a43e0bb325; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: <4A43E0BA.9040703@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:40:26 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Intro Post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=qUgYNHUH1AExirWBVdkeHnTPhBddm8XpWec61C5EqxtOopAmdA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo citymoose5 wrote: > I'm the kid that used to get "lost" at amusement parks just to be able to ride coasters. Now my kids are trying to keep up with me when we hit the parks. > > We consider SFGAdv. as our home park and are close to Dorney and Hershey as well. At SFGAdv. I love to go down the first drop on Nitro with my legs up and reaching forward to touch my toes. What a rush! > > I used to play a game whenever I went to a park. I couldn't leave until I rode at least one ride for every dollar I paid to get into the park. Thus if the admission price was $35, I wanted to get on at least 35 rides. The game is getting a little more difficult to play as admission prices have gone up and lines have become longer. So the season pass thing is becoming the way to go - very easy to get on one ride per dollar spent that way! > > I'm looking forward to sharing our common enthusiasm for coasters and parks. > > Welcome to the group. I have moved to the DC area in the past 6 months, but used to spend a lot of time at SFGAdv. It is certainly one of the better (best even?) SF parks. You should head to Knoebels and try out your game, you wouldn't have to ride any rides to match the park admission price. Of course, you are going to want to ride :-) It is worth the trip. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... McCarthy was RIGHT! Behind every great man is a great woman... rolling her eyes. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Jun 25 14:11:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34355 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2009 21:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2009 21:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 21:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2009 21:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2009 21:11:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:11:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Worlds of Fun X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=H5BdXJf51W7j17T-2sTFNx7i7oFF2r3rEDf0dcmDBzkEJxOTkxBC X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = wrote: > > > > Yay! I'll be making my first trip ever to WOF tomorrow (Thurs) I hope= it's not too crowded as I'll only have probably 4-5 hours. I'll be taking= the bus from a hotel downtown. Looking forward to it. > > > Isn't tomorrow the day that the ACE convention moves to Worlds of Fun? >=20 > Chris > Well, as it turns out, I'm not going after all. I ended up calling in sick= for work so I won't be going to KC. I will be there again in July also wi= th an opportunity to hit up WOF for a few hours. I hope it will work out, = as I've never been and I really want to check it out.=20 Talon is one of my fav coasters of all time, so I know I will love Patriot.= Prowler looks interesting and I've always kind dug the Morgan hypers. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jun 25 15:42:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4465 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2009 22:42:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2009 22:42:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 22:42:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2009 22:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2009 22:42:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:42:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.241.203 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: AirCoaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=iJ0itpxWyajNrbFlIRB8NTIg2THLS-Og1_4qEi53HTlLlg_slEAn X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's an app for the iPhone that's basically a mini version of No Limits. 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--YCalReminder=lfNC6OJ7bCeKj48oUJI1245995419-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 19:21:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17477 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2009 02:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2009 02:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2009 02:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2009 02:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2009 02:20:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:20:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.194.66 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TR: Seabreeze Park, 6-17-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=lAlZeT8HtoIXUroJyklj-jj-95IjWOHgWLjehewordcys5FAxmzL X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme As usual, for pictures you can go here: =3D=3D=3D For our 2009 summer vacation, Karen and I made a trip out to Cedar Point. = Wearying of the long drive, we decided to break the trip up into three part= s. Our first stop was at Seabreeze Park in Rochester, New York. We were l= ast there in 1996 but on a return trip from Cedar Point. We had arrived la= te in the afternoon and spent only about two hours in the park. But we fon= dly remembered its frozen-in-time charm and were eager to return. We arrived in Rochester late in the afternoon on Tuesday and checked into o= ur nicely-appointed Holiday Inn Express hotel. The next morning we had our= continental breakfast early and then headed north to the shores of Lake On= tario. It was a much easier drive than we expected, even with the highway = construction that seeemd to be everywhere. When we arrived at Seabreeze, w= e still had an hour before it opened, so we drove around the perimeter of t= he park and down to the Irondequoit Bay Small Boat Harbor, a quiet state pa= rk with walking paths along the shore. There was a dense cloud cover in th= e sky and a light breeze blowing. The Harbor area was built by the Army Co= rps of Engineers. Its main feature was a revolving bridge that connected t= he mainland to a small marina on an island. The area offered amazing views= of Seabreeze's cliff side, with the Whirlwind coaster perched precariously= on the edge. It appeared that Seabreeze was either expanding their parkin= g lot or adding to the water park; a lot of construction was being done bel= ow the cliff. We walked along the narrow path that traveled westward along the water, end= ing at a small lighthouse on a thin man-made reef that stretched out into t= he lake. Several ducks and geese were lazing about. We walked back toward= the park. On the park side of the road were two restaurants. Frozen yogu= rt seemed to be the popular offering. On the other side were quaint cottag= es along the shore, many with For Sale signs in front. We could see cars e= ntering the Seabreeze parking lot, so we headed back to the car. We parked= alongside the cliff below the Whirlwind and walked up the hill. We notice= d a lighthouse scupture in front of the park; we had seen a few others in R= ochester. The park entrance reminded me of Canobie Lake's former entrance,= simple but attractive with flower beds in front of the gates. It was abou= t 10:30 and the park closed at 5:00. There was already a fairly large crow= d entering, along with some outings. We were expecting to pay full price b= ut were surprised to find that it cost just $14.95 each. There was also a = rare option to enter the park without going on rides (for $9). As we passe= d through the entrance, the park appeared to have remained much as it was o= n our last visit. To our right was the Jack Rabbit coaster. In front of u= s was the old mill chute. To our left was the covered arcade row that look= ed sort of like a boardwalk. We walked past it and the beautiful carousel = with its wonderful band organ. In front of us loomed the Whirlwind coaster= , one of the park's newer rides. It replaced the peculiar Soquet-built Qua= ntum Loop. Whirlwind was spinning coaster, similar to the one I had ridden= at Waldameer Park. I enjoyed that one, so I queued up for it while Karen = waited nearby. I ended up sitting with next to a father; his two girls sat= behind us. We faced backwards going up the lift hill. Perhaps it was the= way our car was weighted, but this ride was a lot more fun than the one at= Waldameer. We spun unpredicatbly at ever turn, but it wasn't nausea-induc= ing. I left the ride slightly dizzy, but laughing. Next to Whirlwind was the venerable Bobsleds, a hybrid coaster built in-hou= se by George Long in 1968. He reconfigured their wooden kiddie coaster wit= h tubular steel track and added unique bobsled-style cars, each with its ow= n country name. The last time we were at the park, the brake and station r= elease were manually controlled with foot pedals. But the station had been= redesigned for electronic control and now required only one operator. Kar= en and I both sat in the front of the USA car. After leaving the station, = the car encountered a series of small bunny hops and began gaining an alarm= ing amount of speed. It sped around a right-hand turn and engaged the smal= l 35-foot-high lift hill. From the top of the lift we gllided smoothly ove= r the station and around to the right. It felt really precarious since the= re were no catwalks or railings on either side. Then we plunged down the s= wift first drop and climbed the second hill with a pop of airtime. The rid= e began to gain speed as it whipped through tighter and tighter turns and q= uicker drop. The helix finale was surprisingly powerful for such a short r= ide. Karen and I were both laughing as we returned to the station. Bobsle= ds remained one of the most unique and enjoyable coasters we've ever ridden= . We walked around the midway, surrounded by color. We headed toward the so= unds of the band organ coming from the big carousel pavilion. Over a decad= e ago, the original Seabreeze carousel burned down in a freak fire, taking = with it many irreplaceable historical items including the original Philadel= phia Toboggan Company horse carving machine. But undeterred, Seabreeze cre= ated a new wooden carousel from scratch, replicating the PTC style. In fac= t, some of the new horses were based on horses at the Holyoke Merry-Go-Roun= d. There were even unique rounding boards for the ride. The park also fill= ed the pavilion with a Seabreeze tradition: rows of red rocking chairs, so = families could simply relax and listed to the band organ.=20 The band organ really was the star. The instrument was built by Verbeeck t= o replicate the sound of the park's original band organ. And Seabreeze too= k pride in it. It was kept outside the ride, as at Knoebel's. A large gla= ss cabinet stood against a wall containing dozens of organ rolls. The two = currently playing were kept on a nearby shelf, under which were LED readout= s indicating which track was playing. Karen and I took a ride. The operator had a big highly-polished brass bell= to ring before the ride started. It's amazing how much more fun a carouse= l ride is when there's a real band organ playing. Afterward, we walked aro= und the pavilion. There were many large photographs and various paraphrena= lia from the park's history. We then strolled over to the kiddieland area.= It reminded me a lot of Mountain Park, with many of the same rides in ope= ration including a colorful and nicely-landscaped car ride. Another thing = we noticed while walking around were the many signs describing what had bee= n on that particular spot throughout the park's history. It was about noon= , so we stopped to get a snack. There was a stand selling fresh-cut french= fries, so we got an order. Unfortunately, our order must have been sittin= g around for a while because the french fries were cold. But the cheese sa= uce that came with them was nice and hot. Next we headed for the log flume, one of the older rides in the park. It h= as one of the steepest drops on any flume in the country. The course ran a= long a meandering elevated concrete trough alongside the park's train. The= slow and pleasant trip didn't prepare us for the amazing drop, which had m= e floating in my seat the whole time. The splash was surprisingly large an= d we got quite wet. It was a lot of fun. We then walked over to the train. The station was beautifully landscaped, = with lots of flowers and colored lights. The engine itself was beautiful, = with an almost Jules Verne quality. It was followed by a set of whimsical= ly-carved wooden cars. The ride generally followed the path of the flume a= nd entered a long dark tunnel next to the park's roller coaster. As with m= ost everything at Seabreeze, it was a perfect family ride. We passed the midway stage where, for the entire time we were in the park, = acrobats were practicing their routines: bouncing on trampolines and juggl= ing. But it didn't appear they were getting ready for a show; there was no= urgency in their rehearsal. It was almost as if they just had some time t= o kill. The sign on the stage read Cirque en Vol. Karen and I watched the= m for a bit, then moved down the midway toward Seabreeze's roller coaster. The Jack Rabbit, the second-oldest coaster in the country behind Lakemont's= Leap the Dips, was one of the fond memories we had from our first visit to= the park. The vintage design was pure John Miller, with ground-hugging di= ps and sinuous hills. It was also one of the few coasters left that was co= ntrolled with manual brake levers. And it was also one of the few wood coa= sters to use a Morgan California-style train. We queued up for the front s= eat and in a short time were seated. Despite its lack of padding, the trai= n rode smoothly around to the lift. From the top of the lift, the layout a= ppeared to be a mild out-and-back ride. The first drop was swift and the t= op of the second hill produced a prolonged pop of airtime. The same for th= e second hill. On the third hill, the airtime was more severe and the trai= n seemed to pick up speed. We sped on a diagonal, veering off to the right= toward track that had been hidden from view. Then we dove into a curving = pitch black tunnel, navigated some more bunny hops and then popped up into = the light of the station. Jack Rabbit had one of the best finales of any w= ood coaster. John Miller really knew how to use the park's topography. Across from the Jack Rabbit was a new (to us) Miler kiddie coaster, Bear Tr= ax. It was -- as so many other rides at Seabreeze -- nicely landscaped. We = stopped into the nearby gift shop. We were surprised to discover that ther= e really wasn't much we wanted to buy. There were some fairly generic tee-= shirts and non-descript toys. But there weren't any souvenirs that were un= ique to Seabreeze. So instead we headed toward the north end where the wat= erpark was. Even though the day was overcast, there were a lot of people u= sing the water slides, including the Pro Bowl slide. The strange metal and= concrete Soak Zone was completely dry, though. It was at that point it dawned on me how small the park was. We could walk= from one end to the other in less than five minutes. On our last visit, I= kept thinking there was a lot more to see, maybe because we had so little = time. But Seabreeze was about the same size as Quassy. With so few attrac= tions, perhaps the park should consider offering individual ride tickets as= an alternative to their regular entry fee. But even on a cloudy weekday, = the park was busy. The management must know its patrons. Karen and I took another fun ride on the Jack Rabbit and after three hours = in the park, we were satisfied. We found Seabreeze to be a charming family= park with gorgeous views of Lake Ontario and fun attractions for all membe= r of the family. Perhaps there were so few souvenirs because Seabreeze was= n't trying to be a tourist destination. It was the perfect local attractio= n, a place that residents of the Rochester area could return to again and a= gain for a few hours of relaxation each week, much like parks from the earl= y 1900s. It was refreshing to find a park true to its roots, providing a r= eliable fun escape for the generations who grew up with it. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Jun 26 22:27:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95715 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2009 05:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2009 05:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.249) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2009 05:27:27 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so823146anc.19 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:26:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.12 with SMTP id e12mr192247iba.48.1246080385573; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:26:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906262226v55530ecepbff1e738e7291c65@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Seabreeze Park, 6-17-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=uQ-jf6QodDMqm25dNL-uj64aCCdqp8H8dcyHgRAj9D05GIA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Great write up Jay, sounds like a nice morning at a very small park. I was very interested in a stop to this park back when I was in highschool, but my trip to RPI ended before it started and my side steps to Seabreeze and SFDL (now just DL...this is meant in the same sense that I use when I tell people I went to SFO instead of SFWOAH or Geagua Lake, but I digress). Your report inspired me to finally search for a Bobsled POV...and a simple search of youtube led me to yours! I honestly was not expecting that in the slightest, but it was a nice experience having the video you took to go along with your written report...even though the video you took has the precursor of being from 1996. It really does seem like a very interesting ride. You mentioned that you did have the chance to ride Quantum Loop, what was your opinion of the ride? It seemed to be very intense, but have roughness problems as well. Intensity isn't typically your thing, but did you think the roughness would be overlooked by a "more g-force please" type coaster rider? And did you think the Whirlwind was a worthwhile replacement. Of course, both of these questions are moot if you never rode the ride. Either way, great report. Out of the three parks you mentioned this is the one I have most personal interest in, just because I came very close to a trip there. I fully believe Waldameer would be a more enjoyable park, and I already am set in my love for CP...which probably has just as much to do with my amazing experiences in the park as it does with the actual coaster collection. -mikeSKA! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:20 PM, jay_ducharme wrot= e: > > > As usual, for pictures you can go here: > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > For our 2009 summer vacation, Karen and I made a trip out to Cedar Point. > Wearying of the long drive, we decided to break the trip up into three > parts. Our first stop was at Seabreeze Park in Rochester, New York. We we= re > last there in 1996 but on a return trip from Cedar Point. We had arrived > late in the afternoon and spent only about two hours in the park. But we > fondly remembered its frozen-in-time charm and were eager to return. > > We arrived in Rochester late in the afternoon on Tuesday and checked into > our nicely-appointed Holiday Inn Express hotel. The next morning we had o= ur > continental breakfast early and then headed north to the shores of Lake > Ontario. It was a much easier drive than we expected, even with the highw= ay > construction that seeemd to be everywhere. When we arrived at Seabreeze, = we > still had an hour before it opened, so we drove around the perimeter of t= he > park and down to the Irondequoit Bay Small Boat Harbor, a quiet state par= k > with walking paths along the shore. There was a dense cloud cover in the = sky > and a light breeze blowing. The Harbor area was built by the Army Corps o= f > Engineers. Its main feature was a revolving bridge that connected the > mainland to a small marina on an island. The area offered amazing views o= f > Seabreeze's cliff side, with the Whirlwind coaster perched precariously o= n > the edge. It appeared that Seabreeze was either expanding their parking l= ot > or adding to the water park; a lot of construction was being done below t= he > cliff. > > We walked along the narrow path that traveled westward along the water, > ending at a small lighthouse on a thin man-made reef that stretched out i= nto > the lake. Several ducks and geese were lazing about. We walked back towar= d > the park. On the park side of the road were two restaurants. Frozen yogur= t > seemed to be the popular offering. On the other side were quaint cottages > along the shore, many with For Sale signs in front. We could see cars > entering the Seabreeze parking lot, so we headed back to the car. We park= ed > alongside the cliff below the Whirlwind and walked up the hill. We notice= d a > lighthouse scupture in front of the park; we had seen a few others in > Rochester. The park entrance reminded me of Canobie Lake's former entranc= e, > simple but attractive with flower beds in front of the gates. It was abou= t > 10:30 and the park closed at 5:00. There was already a fairly large crowd > entering, along with some outings. We were expecting to pay full price bu= t > were surprised to find that it cost just $14.95 each. There was also a ra= re > option to enter the park without going on rides (for $9). As we passed > through the entrance, the park appeared to have remained much as it was o= n > our last visit. To our right was the Jack Rabbit coaster. In front of us = was > the old mill chute. To our left was the covered arcade row that looked so= rt > of like a boardwalk. We walked past it and the beautiful carousel with it= s > wonderful band organ. In front of us loomed the Whirlwind coaster, one of > the park's newer rides. It replaced the peculiar Soquet-built Quantum Loo= p. > Whirlwind was spinning coaster, similar to the one I had ridden at Waldam= eer > Park. I enjoyed that one, so I queued up for it while Karen waited nearby= . I > ended up sitting with next to a father; his two girls sat behind us. We > faced backwards going up the lift hill. Perhaps it was the way our car wa= s > weighted, but this ride was a lot more fun than the one at Waldameer. We > spun unpredicatbly at ever turn, but it wasn't nausea-inducing. I left th= e > ride slightly dizzy, but laughing. > > Next to Whirlwind was the venerable Bobsleds, a hybrid coaster built > in-house by George Long in 1968. He reconfigured their wooden kiddie coas= ter > with tubular steel track and added unique bobsled-style cars, each with i= ts > own country name. The last time we were at the park, the brake and statio= n > release were manually controlled with foot pedals. But the station had be= en > redesigned for electronic control and now required only one operator. Kar= en > and I both sat in the front of the USA car. After leaving the station, th= e > car encountered a series of small bunny hops and began gaining an alarmin= g > amount of speed. It sped around a right-hand turn and engaged the small > 35-foot-high lift hill. From the top of the lift we gllided smoothly over > the station and around to the right. It felt really precarious since ther= e > were no catwalks or railings on either side. Then we plunged down the swi= ft > first drop and climbed the second hill with a pop of airtime. The ride be= gan > to gain speed as it whipped through tighter and tighter turns and quicker > drop. The helix finale was surprisingly powerful for such a short ride. > Karen and I were both laughing as we returned to the station. Bobsleds > remained one of the most unique and enjoyable coasters we've ever ridden. > > We walked around the midway, surrounded by color. We headed toward the > sounds of the band organ coming from the big carousel pavilion. Over a > decade ago, the original Seabreeze carousel burned down in a freak fire, > taking with it many irreplaceable historical items including the original > Philadelphia Toboggan Company horse carving machine. But undeterred, > Seabreeze created a new wooden carousel from scratch, replicating the PTC > style. In fact, some of the new horses were based on horses at the Holyok= e > Merry-Go-Round. There were even unique rounding boards for the ride. The > park also filled the pavilion with a Seabreeze tradition: rows of red > rocking chairs, so families could simply relax and listed to the band org= an. > > The band organ really was the star. The instrument was built by Verbeeck = to > replicate the sound of the park's original band organ. And Seabreeze took > pride in it. It was kept outside the ride, as at Knoebel's. A large glass > cabinet stood against a wall containing dozens of organ rolls. The two > currently playing were kept on a nearby shelf, under which were LED reado= uts > indicating which track was playing. > > Karen and I took a ride. The operator had a big highly-polished brass bel= l > to ring before the ride started. It's amazing how much more fun a carouse= l > ride is when there's a real band organ playing. Afterward, we walked arou= nd > the pavilion. There were many large photographs and various paraphrenalia > from the park's history. We then strolled over to the kiddieland area. It > reminded me a lot of Mountain Park, with many of the same rides in operat= ion > including a colorful and nicely-landscaped car ride. Another thing we > noticed while walking around were the many signs describing what had been= on > that particular spot throughout the park's history. It was about noon, so= we > stopped to get a snack. There was a stand selling fresh-cut french fries,= so > we got an order. Unfortunately, our order must have been sitting around f= or > a while because the french fries were cold. But the cheese sauce that cam= e > with them was nice and hot. > > Next we headed for the log flume, one of the older rides in the park. It = has > one of the steepest drops on any flume in the country. The course ran alo= ng > a meandering elevated concrete trough alongside the park's train. The slo= w > and pleasant trip didn't prepare us for the amazing drop, which had me > floating in my seat the whole time. The splash was surprisingly large and= we > got quite wet. It was a lot of fun. > > We then walked over to the train. The station was beautifully landscaped, > with lots of flowers and colored lights. The engine itself was beautiful, > with an almost Jules Verne quality. It was followed by a set of > whimsically-carved wooden cars. The ride generally followed the path of t= he > flume and entered a long dark tunnel next to the park's roller coaster. A= s > with most everything at Seabreeze, it was a perfect family ride. > > We passed the midway stage where, for the entire time we were in the park= , > acrobats were practicing their routines: bouncing on trampolines and > juggling. But it didn't appear they were getting ready for a show; there = was > no urgency in their rehearsal. It was almost as if they just had some tim= e > to kill. The sign on the stage read Cirque en Vol. Karen and I watched th= em > for a bit, then moved down the midway toward Seabreeze's roller coaster. > > The Jack Rabbit, the second-oldest coaster in the country behind Lakemont= 's > Leap the Dips, was one of the fond memories we had from our first visit t= o > the park. The vintage design was pure John Miller, with ground-hugging di= ps > and sinuous hills. It was also one of the few coasters left that was > controlled with manual brake levers. And it was also one of the few wood > coasters to use a Morgan California-style train. We queued up for the fro= nt > seat and in a short time were seated. Despite its lack of padding, the tr= ain > rode smoothly around to the lift. From the top of the lift, the layout > appeared to be a mild out-and-back ride. The first drop was swift and the > top of the second hill produced a prolonged pop of airtime. The same for = the > second hill. On the third hill, the airtime was more severe and the train > seemed to pick up speed. We sped on a diagonal, veering off to the right > toward track that had been hidden from view. Then we dove into a curving > pitch black tunnel, navigated some more bunny hops and then popped up int= o > the light of the station. Jack Rabbit had one of the best finales of any > wood coaster. John Miller really knew how to use the park's topography. > > Across from the Jack Rabbit was a new (to us) Miler kiddie coaster, Bear > Trax. It was -- as so many other rides at Seabreeze -- nicely landscaped.= We > stopped into the nearby gift shop. We were surprised to discover that the= re > really wasn't much we wanted to buy. There were some fairly generic > tee-shirts and non-descript toys. But there weren't any souvenirs that we= re > unique to Seabreeze. So instead we headed toward the north end where the > waterpark was. Even though the day was overcast, there were a lot of peop= le > using the water slides, including the Pro Bowl slide. The strange metal a= nd > concrete Soak Zone was completely dry, though. > > It was at that point it dawned on me how small the park was. We could wal= k > from one end to the other in less than five minutes. On our last visit, I > kept thinking there was a lot more to see, maybe because we had so little > time. But Seabreeze was about the same size as Quassy. With so few > attractions, perhaps the park should consider offering individual ride > tickets as an alternative to their regular entry fee. But even on a cloud= y > weekday, the park was busy. The management must know its patrons. > > Karen and I took another fun ride on the Jack Rabbit and after three hour= s > in the park, we were satisfied. We found Seabreeze to be a charming famil= y > park with gorgeous views of Lake Ontario and fun attractions for all memb= er > of the family. Perhaps there were so few souvenirs because Seabreeze wasn= 't > trying to be a tourist destination. It was the perfect local attraction, = a > place that residents of the Rochester area could return to again and agai= n > for a few hours of relaxation each week, much like parks from the early > 1900s. It was refreshing to find a park true to its roots, providing a > reliable fun escape for the generations who grew up with it. > >=20 From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 10:44:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 269 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2009 17:44:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2009 17:44:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2009 17:44:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2009 17:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2009 17:43:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:43:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: TR: Seabreeze Park, 6-17-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=-s8kWeXqT2rRdLwE8KAcHWf5dvRqgBoIFHYB3AQrw-jYoPPX2c8l X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Jay, That was an excellent TR. This is a park that we have been meaning t= o hit up, we just have to already be in the area. Perhaps this summer we w= ill hit it up when we go to that big canyon in upstate NY. Your TR pushed = me over the edge from a "yeah, maybe, looks kinda small," to a "we really s= hould do this." And hey, MikeSka... see what comes after this reply? nothing... see how ea= sy it is? haha... From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jun 27 11:17:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31404 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2009 18:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2009 18:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.249) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2009 18:17:21 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so1179640ana.29 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.13.69 with SMTP id b5mr218461iba.40.1246126598001; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:16:37 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906271116jd4741d4pcdb45cdfd71a9968@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Seabreeze Park, 6-17-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Q1AmV6pYHPhjuzUH0KYniMj_3qAvGwfoFUBpah4ePyOj7Z8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Good point, I will try to get in the habbit of dechecking that little "show quoted text button" Mikeooska - going on my 4th month without a computer On 6/27/09, tommytheduck wrote: > Jay, That was an excellent TR. This is a park that we have been meaning to > hit up, we just have to already be in the area. Perhaps this summer we will > hit it up when we go to that big canyon in upstate NY. Your TR pushed me > over the edge from a "yeah, maybe, looks kinda small," to a "we really > should do this." > > And hey, MikeSka... see what comes after this reply? nothing... see how > easy it is? haha... > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jun 27 11:17:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14324 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2009 18:17:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2009 18:17:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f216.google.com) (209.85.217.216) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2009 18:17:39 -0000 X-Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so1629691gxk.9 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.39.199 with SMTP id h7mr193552ibe.55.1246126599477; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:16:39 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0906271116h27aed026p235295a6969a9946@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Seabreeze Park, 6-17-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=7oPOA9KLdvetJcurcjFp04_mst_mxI6DuM3qfHaP_5CrW0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Good point, I will try to get in the habbit of dechecking that little "show quoted text button" Mikeooska - going on my 4th month without a computer From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 12:32:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91677 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2009 19:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2009 19:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2009 19:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2009 19:31:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2009 19:31:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:31:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.194.66 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TR: Martin's Fantasy Island, 6-18-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=THfu2u25ZsrFPQl8Jz3xJV3JQLsocC-94kExF_Kd5SlZcu52ay5n X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Pictures can be found here: Jay =3D=3D=3D The second stop on our trip out to Ohio was in Grand Island, New York, next= door to Niagara Falls. There was a small park that I had known about for = many years but had never been to: Martin's Fantasy Island. I first heard a= bout the park when the legendary Charlie Wood owned it. He bought the famo= us Comet roller coaster from Crystal Beach when that Ontario park closed, a= nd he stored the entire structure at Fantasy Island before rebuilding the c= oaster at his other New York park, The Great Escape. After Wood sold Fanta= sy Island, the new owners built a new wood coaster, the Silver Comet, as an= homage to the much-missed Crystal Beach ride. We arrived on a cool and drizzly Thursday morning. The park was easy to ge= t to, but it was set far back from the road and the entrance was easy to mi= ss. There were very few cars in the parking lot, and a few buses. We brou= ght our umbrella with us and walked over to the entrance. The woman at the= ticket booth asked if we were with the school group. Karen told her that = we weren't. The woman responded, "Oh, well let's just pretend that you are= ." She had us pay $10.50 each, less than half of the normal admission pric= e. We were pleasantly surprised. Perhaps there were plans to close the pa= rk early because of the weather. The entrance gates were simple but attractive, with a huge park logo above = them. Inside the gates, we were greeted by lush landscaping, with trees, f= lowers and a stone fountain. To the left were some shops and the Fantasy I= sland Town Hall. To the right was the quaint train station. We decided to= start there to get a view of the entire park. The train, painted a Christ= massy red and green, arrived with a few passengers. Each car had a roof ov= er it, so at least we'd stay somewhat dry. The poor engineer, on the other= hand, had only a raincoat. It became evident that Charlie Wood's thumbprint was still everywhere in th= e park. Karen spotted a large figure on the other side of the train tracks= : a sleeping giant on the lawn. There were charming and colorful figures l= ike that scattered all around the park, much like Storyland. Children woul= d no doubt find them delightful. We boarded our train and began our leisur= ely tour. The engineer commented that the park's owner told him not to dri= ve too quickly, and he held to that. But it gave us plenty of time to take= in the sights. We crossed a long wooden trestle that was sandwiched betwe= en a pond and a KOA campground that had an entrance directly into the park.= The train then passed beside the imposing steel structure of the Silver C= omet. The track seemed to twist itself into knots, with steep banking. Af= ter circling outside the Silver Comet's turnaround, the train came to rest = at the back station. We chatted with the engineer while he waited for more= passengers. Then we made the return trip at the same leisurely pace. We thanked the engineer when we disembarked at the front station and we wal= ked out onto the entry plaza. Behind the fountain was a replica of the Lib= erty Bell. Just beyond, at the center of the plaza, was a small beautifull= y landscaped carousel. There was no band organ, but the recorded music sou= nded good. There were many benches placed around the carousel so that peop= le could sit and enjoy the sights and sounds. There were no takers on this= day, however. We spotted more whimsical structures, from a trash can with= a hippo's head to a water bubbler that was an open lion's mouth. The shop= s around the plaza were brightly colored and inviting. But what intregued = us was a narrow stucco archway that led to a different area of the park. I= t reminded me of Great Escape's Ghost Town entrance. It turned out to be v= ery similar. The archway opened up onto an old west boomtown. There were various shops = to our left and the Golden Nugget "saloon" to our right. A little further = along was Miss Kitty's, a gift shop. We stopped in and the attendant was e= xtremely friendly and chatty. In fact, all of the park's employees we enco= untered during our visit were extremely friendly. They all seemed happy to= be there. I took note of some nice souvenirs and we headed back outside. = In the distance was the small circular lake we had spotted from the train.= It had an island in the middle with a teepee, an indian figure and other = native american items. There were a few people paddling around the lake in= aluminum canoes.=20 By this point it began to rain a little harder. We went back into Miss Kit= ty's and asked if they sold any ponchos. They did, at the bargain price of= $1.99. So Karen and I each got one. It turned out to be more of a cape t= han a poncho. But it was better than carrying an umbrella around with us a= ll day. So we got our hands stamped and returned to our car to put the umb= rella away. Then we headed back to the boomtown section. Karen took the o= pportunity to place her goofy husband in stocks. We followed the winding = shaded path down past the pond and then up toward the back area of the park= . Geese were everywhere. And so was their excrement. In fact, I'd never = before seen so many goose droppings. It was as if someone went nuts, throw= ing gobs of creamed spinach all over the midway. I guess every park had to= have something unique. Conneaut Lake had skunks. Martin's Fantasy Island= had geese, and everything that went with them. The back area didn't have any real theming. It was more like a standard ca= rnival midway. To the right, the Silver Comet blended in with the trees be= hind a giant slide. To the left, a new Zamperla Mega Disk'O sat near the G= alaxy of Games and seemed to be quite popular, even in the rain. Behind th= e Disk'O was an impressive fountain in another pond. Further back along th= e midway were some fairly standard flat rides: a Shooting Star named Full T= ilt, a Tilt-a-Whirl, a swing ride called Flight and a Zamperla spinning Cr= azy Mouse. The Mouse appeared to be a family-friendly version; the cars di= dn't start spinning until over halfway through the ride. Across the midway= from the Mouse was an antique car ride, so Karen and I queued up for it. = The course was fairly long but strangely barren. There was an overpass and= an underpass, but nothing else except vast expanses of neatly manicured la= wn. With so much colorful landscaping throughout the park, the antique car= s felt somehow unfinished. We headed past the empty Fairy Tale amphitheater and toward the station for= the Silver Comet, which was celebrating its tenth birthday. The station w= as simply done with some art deco touches and a seemingly endless exit ramp= at the front. Hardly anyone was there. Some new workers were being train= ed on it. Karen and I lined up for the front seat and boarded as soon as t= he train returned. We left our ponchos behind. The crew, even with traine= es, was efficient and unfailingly pleasant. One of the operators talked wi= th us about Crystal Beach: the fun houses, the Giant Coaster and the Comet.= We pulled out of the station with a steady mist coming down. The ride wa= s built by Custom Coasters, but going up that lift felt like I was on the P= TC Comet from Crystal Beach. We swiftly crested the lift hill and plunged = down the first drop, which was steeper than we expected. The track appeare= d to have been recently greased; the rain had beaded up on it. The train f= lew across the tracks with impressive speed. The first hill produced surpr= isingly strong airtime, as did the second hill and the turnaround. After t= hat, all hell broke loose. The train dove into the twisted center section.= We were violently tossed from one side of the train to the other. The wh= ole rest of the ride was a festival of outrageous lateral G forces. We ret= urned to the station wet but laughing hysterically. We got back into the s= tation and no one was in line for the front. The ride operators asked us i= f we wanted to go again, and we couldn't refuse that offer. So we glided t= oward the lift hill once again. The coaster was just as fun the second tim= e, probably more fun since we could prepare ourselves for the extreme force= s. I was surprised I hadn't heard more good things about the Silver Comet over= the years. It certainly held its own again many other wooden coasters I'v= e ridden and became one of my favorite rides. It was punchy, though. And = after two successive rides, Karen and I took a break. We strolled along a = quiet path between the pond and the train tracks and emerged in a storybook= area that looked very much like the old Storyland. There was a Jack and t= he Beanstalk display. The opened mouth of Monstro the Whale was actually a= small stage where children could listed to the story of Pinocchio while lo= oking inside the whale's mouth at a diorama. There was a similar display f= or the story of Aladdin. Besides the usual assortment of kiddie rides in t= hat area, there was also a petting zoo. But given the weather, hobnobbing= with wet goats didn't particularly interest us (nor, apparently, anyone el= se). Nearby was the humorously named Basgetti's pizza and pasta house. We enter= ed, mainly to escape the rain. And after we entered, the sky opened up and= it began to pour. Inside Basgetti's, Father Time's Story Time puppet show= was in progress with a character that looked suspiciously like Kermit the = Frog. Humorously, the puppet claimed to be Kermit's distant cousin. The s= tage area had seating where kids could watch the show as they ate. The off= erings were pretty standard fare. I got a large slice of cheese pizza and = steamed vegetables. Karen got a salad and a slice of garlic bread (which w= as a piece of Texas toast with a slab of cheese on it). The pizza and sala= d were tasty. The steamed vegetables were really good. The garlic bread, = not so much. We ate at a relaxed pace, waiting for the rain to stop. Basg= etti's was decorated with wall paintings depicting scenes from Disney's Lad= y and the Tramp. Overall, it was a nice indoor eatery that kids would enjo= y. The rain let up so we ventured back outside. Next to Basgetti's was the Fa= ntasy Island Birthday House, a small building with picnic tables inside. T= hat was a great way to make children feel special, having a birthday at an = amusement park in their very own house. Karen wanted to try the canoes, so= we headed around the pond. As we approached the entrance, we could hear m= usic from the boomtown area. The Wild West Shoot-out was about to start. = So we stood near Miss Kitty's to watch. A small crowd had gathered, kept c= ontained by a roped-off area around the midway. The story unfolded over a = recorded soundtrack: an inexperienced deputy was left alone to defend a tow= n from a band of hooligans who of course were like the three stooges, comic= al and completely non-threatening. Oddly, only one hooligan appeared (thou= gh the soundtrack repeatedly referred to three). He rode into town in biza= rre fashion on a horse's head, whipping a tail behind him. To prove how ru= thless he was, he threw the head into the air, pulled out a gun and shot it= as it fell to the pavement. It was truly bizarre, but the kids seemed to = enjoy it. The deputy then had to recruit an audience member in restraining= the bad guy(s). It was very much like the old Windy Bill shows at the Gre= at Escape. No one was at the canoe ride, so Karen and I walked down the hill to the st= ation. The canoes were equipped with pontoons to steady them. We were eac= h given a life jacket and an oar. We climbed into the canoe and began padd= ling around the lake. It was really peaceful and relaxing. I hadn't been = canoeing in years and it took me a while to get the hang of it. But it was= fun just the same and a nice change from paddle boats. We drifted around = the island. There appeared to have once been a bridge going out to it from= the mainland, but all that was left were the pylons. Next to the pylons w= as an old blacksmith cabin, but it seemed abandoned. We returned to the s= tation and Karen asked if we could go around again. The attendants cheeril= y waved us on. So we made two more laps around the island and then returne= d to the station. The rain had finally let up, so we headed back for the Silver Comet and too= k another great ride in the front seat. That time the ride seemed to have = gained even more speed and the lateral forces seemed even stronger. After = that ride, since we were fairly wet anyway, we decided to try out the park'= s log flume. It was located at the extreme back, hidden from view down a l= ong path. On the way there we passed by the Ferris wheel, which didn't see= m to be operating. The attendants at the flume seemed happy to see us. If= it weren't for the small sign and path (and the map), no one would know th= e ride existed -- though I'm sure on a hot sunny day, people would find it.= We boarded and were carried up the first small lift hill. We splashed do= wn and got mildly wet. We then began a short winding course toward the big= lift hill. Like the antique cars, the log flume seemed unfinished. It wa= s set in the middle of a giant lawn next to a road with no trees or theming= of any kind. I guess that was better than setting it on asphalt.... We c= limbed the big lift, which was no more than thirty feet, and splashed down = again, this time getting significantly more wet. It was a fun, if short, r= ide. It was ironic that we ended up so wet after the rain had stopped. We walked back toward the entrance and stopped into a few gift shops along = the way. The General Store had a nice selection of Silver Comet memorabili= a, including commenorative pieces of track. There were pins and magnets an= d tee shirts. So Karen and I stocked up. We walked back onto the plaza an= d took a path we hadn't noticed before. It brought us to another colorful = kiddieland and the park's miniature golf course. By that point we were col= d and wet and decided to call it a day. In spite of the drizzly weather, Karen and I had a great time at Martin's F= antasy Island. We look forward to returning on a more sunny day. Even so,= our spirits weren't dampened. And that says a lot about the park. The Si= lver Comet was a fantastic coaster. But I think what mattered most to us w= as the park's innocent charm. It made us feel like little kids again. And= after all, that's really why we go to amusement parks. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jun 29 13:18:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10891 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2009 20:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2009 20:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2009 20:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2009 20:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2009 20:18:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:18:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0906262226v55530ecepbff1e738e7291c65@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.242.72 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: Seabreeze Park, 6-17-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=pwxE5wXnmhvUzQL5wmDdKa-NShTzeranhgRuJHSVnozmmyrSDEix X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Great write up Jay < Thanks, Mike! > You mentioned that you did have the chance to ride Quantum Loop, what was= your opinion of the ride? < I have a YouTube video posted of that, as well: You can hear me in the video say, "Mr. Schwartzkopf, we love you," before w= e dive off the lift. I thought Anton had designed it (it was Soquet) and = I was expecting whopping G forces. But to my -- and my son's -- pleasant s= urprise, the loops were really smooth and much less intense than I expected= . And after that, the train seemed to wander aimlessly until it returned t= o the station. It was a really curious ride, but a good fit for Seabreeze = at the time. I think their Whirlwind gives them much more bang for their b= uck, though. Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jun 30 06:56:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46969 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 13:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 13:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 13:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2009 13:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2009 13:56:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:56:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.229.104.11 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Knoebels and DelGrosso's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=P3EWbyiZaQeG9jPZ2fZ36J5IxBzm8zEUV0rDP1lrX6eiCbSgAaTl X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Even though I just said how I want to go to Seabreeze park, we will not be = going now, even though we will be in the area. We just started a roadtrip = yesterday that will be at Knoebels all day today, followed by 2 days at Lit= chworth State Park in upstate NY. Unfortunately, Seabreeze has height requ= irements that, much like Cedar Points, are too restrictive for our son. I = find it funny that he can ride Twister by himself at 42 inches, yet now tha= t he's 47, cannot ride some totally tame looking wooden coaster. But I've = doen this rant before. Yesterday, on the drive out, we made a quick stop over at Delgrosso's Ameus= ement park. Didn't even know this place existed. It's right up the road f= rom Lakemont in central PA. in fact, if Lakemont (which we did 2 years ago= ) hadn't have been closed on Mon and Tues, I wouldn't have searched for oth= er parks in the area and wouldn't have found it. How we drove right past t= he signs 2 years ago and didn't take notice, I don't know. Delgrosso's is a nice little park. I don't think we spent more than 1.5 ho= urs there, but we had a nice time. William loved the spinnign mouse, his f= irst. Also his 75th coaster. Their website boasts "best amusement park fo= od in the country!" And they said it over the speaker at least once. We t= ried a Sloppy joe, which was good, but a little sweet, 2 slices of pizza, w= hich were whatever, and a bowl of Murf's Famous Potato Salad. The P.S. was= awesome! very creamy, good seasoning, and the most important for any pota= to salad, NO CELERY! I would have liked to take home a tub (yes, they sell= it by the pound) but we got 3 more days on the road still.=20=20 Will probably not give a TR of Knoebels, as we're mostly familiar with the = place by now, but maybe I'll say a few words in a few days.=20=20 -Brian F. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 30 09:02:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39192 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 16:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 16:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f174.google.com) (209.85.212.174) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 16:01:57 -0000 X-Received: by vwj4 with SMTP id 4so84041vwj.1 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:00:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.84.7 with SMTP id h7mr4300188vcl.115.1246377657196; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:00:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Knoebels and DelGrosso's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=SxmzB9RJ125nJoyMixj6PoUydWp9idorZcKceGcTr1Kw9lWfaodA-ro X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Delgrosso's is a nice little park...Their website boasts "best amusement park food > in the country!" And they said it over the speaker at least once. I believe their spaghetti/pizza sauce is their claim to fame. I've never been, but that's what I've heard. -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jun 30 09:38:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31927 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 16:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 16:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 16:38:52 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so122300qwf.44 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:37:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.97.212 with SMTP id m20mr4382199vcn.27.1246379871740; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:37:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Martin's Fantasy Island, 6-18-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=0rhdur0wwWMsi5tt6TRCsF3TDeYoJurc0GTdmx88e5hk9CM4VLIvcxc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Thanks for this report, Jay. I drove by MFI several years ago, but it happened to be on a Monday and that's the day they are closed. I don't think I've ever seen any pictures from inside the park, and it's much nicer than I had imagined. I've always wanted to try out the Silver Comet, but I don't know that I'll be out that way anytime soon. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it, though! Did you try out the Star Flyer? I believe it's one of only two in the country. There was a lot of talk when Funtime first introduced the right about how terrifying it was going to be, but I think it ended up being a lot more family friendly than anticipated. As an aside, Funtime has some truly bizarre-looking rides on their website that I have not seen/heard of before: http://www.funtime.com.au/ Thanks again for the report! -Nate From josh.wozny@gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:01:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39847 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 22:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 22:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f205.google.com) (209.85.217.205) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 22:01:23 -0000 X-Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1so757179gxk.17 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:00:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.105.17 with SMTP id d17mr7615661agc.68.1246399222544; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:00:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0906301500k3ac1b04dr62b94b797885051a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Knoebels and DelGrosso's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=sKuuwCN2KH67ne8OQPOkMRBAv6WI4jgg23z-sCXaw3tcNvQtTA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I've never been there, but they sell DelGrosso's sauces in some grocery stores around here, and they're mighty tasty. Josh On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Nate Kohlrusch w= rote: > > >> Delgrosso's is a nice little park...Their website boasts "best amusement >> park food > >> in the country!" And they said it over the speaker at least once. > > I believe their spaghetti/pizza sauce is their claim to fame. I've > never been, but that's what I've heard. > > -Nate >=20 From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:06:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17498 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 22:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 22:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.210.171) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 22:06:08 -0000 X-Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so440376yxe.27 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:05:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.39.196 with SMTP id h4mr2058335ibe.8.1246399507121; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:05:07 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0906301505r4b21e2c5x89c7c722a8715b52@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Martin's Fantasy Island, 6-18-09 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=dhlYzalWqWN-XS5Re4T9UwZ-WUJ-l4pG5Pmy9TrWNRmmzxg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Did you try out the Star Flyer? I believe it's one of only two in the country. There was a lot of talk when Funtime first introduced the right about how terrifying it was going to be, but I think it ended up being a lot more family friendly than anticipated. As an aside, Funtime has some truly bizarre-looking rides on their website that I have not seen/heard of before: http://www.funtime.com.au/" Actually the one at Martins is a Zamperla. I believe the Florida installation is the only Funtime one and one of the carnivals out on the West Coast, probably West Coast Amusements, RCS or Funtastic, travels with another Zamperla. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jun 30 16:44:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5099 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 23:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 23:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 23:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2009 23:44:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2009 23:44:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:44:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.181.154 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Knoebels and DelGrosso's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=BUuZT8HFJUx7iTW-eLiJUn8BfZ88dwZKsARHndEbJb6An3srOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > Delgrosso's is a nice little park...Their website boasts "best amusemen= t park food > > in the country!" And they said it over the speaker at least once. >=20 > I believe their spaghetti/pizza sauce is their claim to fame. I've > never been, but that's what I've heard. >=20 > -Nate It's pretty good stuff. I bought a couple jars of the sauce when I was ther= e last summer.=20 Chris From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Jun 30 18:05:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94763 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2009 01:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2009 01:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 01:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6115042029719 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:05:01 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c68.4f20fb92 (37067) for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:04:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.101] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB051-90cb4a4ab63715e; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:04:55 -0400 Message-ID: <4A4AB5A8.5070504@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:02:32 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Knoebels and DelGrosso's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=-_unFfpVpfkH52kJzp1OR3y4LRlLh0K6yn0HG1b0wFeBrVmgGA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo tommytheduck wrote: > Even though I just said how I want to go to Seabreeze park, we will not be going now, even though we will be in the area. We just started a roadtrip yesterday that will be at Knoebels all day today, followed by 2 days at Litchworth State Park in upstate NY. Unfortunately, Seabreeze has height requirements that, much like Cedar Points, are too restrictive for our son. I find it funny that he can ride Twister by himself at 42 inches, yet now that he's 47, cannot ride some totally tame looking wooden coaster. But I've doen this rant before. > > Yesterday, on the drive out, we made a quick stop over at Delgrosso's Ameusement park. Didn't even know this place existed. It's right up the road from Lakemont in central PA. in fact, if Lakemont (which we did 2 years ago) hadn't have been closed on Mon and Tues, I wouldn't have searched for other parks in the area and wouldn't have found it. How we drove right past the signs 2 years ago and didn't take notice, I don't know. > > Delgrosso's is a nice little park. I don't think we spent more than 1.5 hours there, but we had a nice time. William loved the spinnign mouse, his first. Also his 75th coaster. Their website boasts "best amusement park food in the country!" And they said it over the speaker at least once. We tried a Sloppy joe, which was good, but a little sweet, 2 slices of pizza, which were whatever, and a bowl of Murf's Famous Potato Salad. The P.S. was awesome! very creamy, good seasoning, and the most important for any potato salad, NO CELERY! I would have liked to take home a tub (yes, they sell it by the pound) but we got 3 more days on the road still. > > Will probably not give a TR of Knoebels, as we're mostly familiar with the place by now, but maybe I'll say a few words in a few days. > > -Brian F. > > Delgrosso's is one of the nicest, cleanest little parks I have ever been to. It is a very over looked park, small, but well run. I think their food is very good, especially their potato salad. The park is a family owned and operated park, owned by the Delgrosso family. Their claim to fame is indeed their sauces, which are made at a plant there in Tipton as well. Merf Delgrosso was the matriarch of the family, living into her 90's, she passed away just a few years ago. Up to her dieing day she could be found every morning in the kitchen at the park working on her potato salad. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jun 30 22:51:19 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35449 invoked by uid 7800); 1 Jul 2009 05:51:13 -0000 Date: 1 Jul 2009 05:51:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1246427473.502.35418.m6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=6LrIegIicZG6MQ8cQzpkJL0xsNZuPMP1246427457-1" --YCalReminder=6LrIegIicZG6MQ8cQzpkJL0xsNZuPMP1246427457-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Great Adventure (New Jersey) opened Wednesday July 1, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=6LrIegIicZG6MQ8cQzpkJL0xsNZuPMP1246427457-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jul 01 16:05:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43151 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2009 23:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2009 23:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 23:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2009 23:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2009 23:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2009 23:04:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:04:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.9.183 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Funtime (was Fantasy Island) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=RI4OkvyDO_VUxsHXtsSLKCvLQlQILaPplFWoRUKTlzzFcH9exQk7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Funtime has some truly bizarre-looking rides on their website < Many of them are simply variations on rides already out there, but with rea= lly interesting theming (like the Bell) or with an execution that befits a = post-modern artist. I love that rocket ship, which is no more than a Circl= e Swing on steroids but looks really cool. Thanks for posting the site lin= k, Nate! Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jul 01 16:10:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85447 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2009 23:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2009 23:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 23:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2009 23:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2009 23:09:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:09:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.9.183 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Fantasy Island videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WrCCEO_i1NGSzVGfDH4xhPIDVGyrSVdNWGd6X6TEGcu0_gzb5KMD X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I've posted some videos (taken with my still camera!) from Martin's Fantasy= Island, including on-ride footage of the Silver Comet: I've got one more TR coming about Cedar Point.... Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Jul 01 22:51:51 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81346 invoked by uid 7800); 2 Jul 2009 05:51:44 -0000 Date: 2 Jul 2009 05:51:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1246513904.491.81313.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=cNbd1jD46UfLA0TX1246513854-1" --YCalReminder=cNbd1jD46UfLA0TX1246513854-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Lightning opened Thursday July 2, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Revere, Massachusetts Notes: On this date in 1927, Lightning opened at Revere Beach in Revere, Massachusetts. It is credited with being the first Hybrid Steel Structured coaster(Hybrid Steel Structure is defined as a Wooden coaster on a steel structure). Lightning closed in 1933. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=cNbd1jD46UfLA0TX1246513854-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=cNbd1jD46UfLA0TX1246513854-1-- From jjloj@netzero.net Thu Jul 02 07:53:02 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45878 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 14:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2009 14:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 14:52:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1246546366; bh=Pdr82cnbzej+HpHkvXE6KzVLooBbOuxpRf/ascCE3ks=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=tGY0m76hXi/hMSSJCEUL3Pve6Klr6Pz2pBdnrXa2jRmmrwXvKObAczaQiIhPD2sX0GpaDX2W8rOkSK2zy5fTeboqaMbwaGhH/0uPGIhvKkh70LeKxPe/pWQ47hFdOppr Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2009 14:52:46 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2009 14:52:46 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74379 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2009 16:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2009 16:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 16:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2009 15:59:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2009 15:59:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2009 15:59:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:59:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.250.3.35 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=vC1pTNboPJ45u2iuts62zPpphztzCVdoXML4eM_805Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=none; X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 02 Jul 2009 14:52:42 -0000 Got back to Kings Island and Diamondback was a different ride then open= ing day. The one ride I took on opening day has 1.6 seconds of acceleratio= n less then 0.25 g's (Holiday World's definition for "airtime.") On Friday = it was 4.3 seconds. Oh! The first time I rode it I was in the back row the= time I documented it here I was in row 4. I haven't crunched all the numb= ers yet and probably won't for awhile. I posted the graph here=20 "http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cJw_Sku0orGxxhkI9vds9F-rO4E76Ck0My2OQHdIC0O3g= wL1eJq4Ofilt9fw4YpVZ5p1zY4CUmycpJ2tMmW9NFF7fg/Accelerometer%20Data/image001= .png" It is in the file section of the Yahoo page for the forum, in a folder call= ed Accelerometer Data. (Sometimes the links for the files in the Yahoo! gro= ups expire or change.) I am guessing that once I crunch all the numbers the runs on Diamondback fo= r Friday will be close to Mamba from the day I rode it. Diamondback will p= robably have more "air" and Mamba will have more lateral. The helix on Dia= mondback is still a waste unlike the one on Mamba, but at least Diamondback= seemed like a ride this time and not a waste. (The middle cars on the Beas= t were giving almost as much air as the first ride on Diamondback, that fir= st ride really was sad. Back row and everything.) Hope you found this interesting... 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--YCalReminder=DtusVIMg387yM9illnWP4ML1246600262-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Jul 03 09:21:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47922 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 16:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 16:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 16:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2009 16:19:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2009 16:19:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:19:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=LlH_s0AI9kQzOj0rBMz_LgGd4JlRzMMDPrj4fvyOID_9YKDFLILS X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Yes, I did find it interesting. And I am happy you were open minded enough= to give it a second chance. (going against what you originally said about= it.) But... And please don't take this the wrong way, as I'm not trying to be a jerk he= re... Your post only says that you got better physics data for the ride. = One could read this and ask the question "Did Jon even ride the ride, or di= d he just strap a computer to it?" I gotta be honest, I don't give a hoote= roosky or a dog's sharteroosky about the data from an iphone. What matters= to me is did you have fun? That's it. Is it worth the trip? I rode Diamondback and guess what... I loved it. It was a very fun ride an= d gave plenty of airtime, both in the front and the back. And if anyone as= ks, that is what I would tell them, yes, Diamondback is pretty sweet and yo= u should visit KI. It's as much fun as any other B+M hyper and right up th= ere with my other fav B+M Hyper, Nitro.=20=20 What I'm trying to say is that the seat of your pants, and the experience y= ou have personally, is much more reliable than any computer when it comes t= o having fun. A lot more can go into the experience too. Were the people = you were riding with fun? Were you in a good mood? Or were you tired and = ready to pass out? All this adds up to the total experience of the ride. = =20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Jul 03 10:28:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39183 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 17:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 17:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f198.google.com) (209.85.212.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 17:28:34 -0000 X-Received: by vwj36 with SMTP id 36so177338vwj.0 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:27:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.81.74 with SMTP id w10mr3215542vck.29.1246642067692; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:27:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:27:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=kwZPjDkR4vHuq3IhHsHRpmgbYLnbrgZFlf3nQKKOJiDxRClGJ2k3Mh4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I gotta be honest, I don't give a > hooteroosky or a dog's sharteroosky about the data from an iphone. Here's my question: how accurate are G-force readings from an iPhone? It's not like it's built with that function in mind, and I'm sure it can't compare to a top-of-the-line accelerometer. So are these readings really *that* accurate? I'm not slamming your iPhone; I just want to know. > It's as much fun as any other B+M hyper and right up there > with my other fav B+M Hyper, Nitro. Nyquill? Another snoozer! :) -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Jul 03 12:15:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64016 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 19:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 19:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f208.google.com) (209.85.217.208) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 19:15:12 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so3524982gxk.2 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.32.11 with SMTP id a11mr1326913ibd.38.1246648466526; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:14:26 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0907031214r2018b7eew27bf827a880130d1@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Ghost Town in the Sky X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=JsXiz0EglzaDON1uZzC2A3sd9InhjLI74I1OfWjlWzhmzCo X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://screamscape.com/html/ghost_town_in_the_sky.htm Lance has some new videos of the Cliffhanger coaster. At IAAPA the new trains looked like garbage and on the video they sound about as good. I am curious how they will ride. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Jul 03 13:30:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6585 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 20:30:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 20:30:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f190.google.com) (209.85.210.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 20:30:11 -0000 X-Received: by yxe28 with SMTP id 28so3533263yxe.1 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:29:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.67 with SMTP id f3mr1330673iba.36.1246652988227; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:29:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <165816ef0907031214r2018b7eew27bf827a880130d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <165816ef0907031214r2018b7eew27bf827a880130d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:29:48 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907031329r24fdd054qf8894aab499c3a5@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Ghost Town in the Sky X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=UGxLrsQETepv1xsfvTGG9mvkgZnwOrYKk7zD_V4rKa7_8u8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska That ride looks so...pointless. And wow were those some loud trains. I hope the park has something newin the works, because I cannot see them lasting too long with this as their signature ride. Stunning location, though. I'm sure the veiws from the ride are amazing, too bad the veiw from anywhere else will have this eye sore in it. Mike -happy freedom weekend On 7/3/09, Adam Sandy wrote: > http://screamscape.com/html/ghost_town_in_the_sky.htm > > Lance has some new videos of the Cliffhanger coaster. At IAAPA the new > trains looked like garbage and on the video they sound about as good. I am > curious how they will ride. > > Adam > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jul 03 17:14:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15153 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 00:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2009 00:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 00:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2009 00:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2009 00:14:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:14:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1246513904.491.81313.m5@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.244.174 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=jGFElNSh5Hkb-qcMgIfA3szdNoDoTDmwjkup477IF2vdlmK7VhFN X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Lightning closed in 1933. < And this is the Traver mystery ride. Supposedly, no one knows what happene= d to the coaster after it was dismantled. It was purchased by someone down= south (or so it goes). There's a faint possibility that the remains from = the most severe of Traver's designs could still be sitting in a warehouse s= omewhere. Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Jul 04 07:50:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77821 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 14:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2009 14:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2009 14:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2009 14:50:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:50:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=NHlq-yngm6wHV4Vr_QDDarK474gAppr4fYwbElA6beRLDtBEzk0r X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > I gotta be honest, I don't give a > > hooteroosky or a dog's sharteroosky about the data from an iphone. >=20 > Here's my question: how accurate are G-force readings from an iPhone? > It's not like it's built with that function in mind, and I'm sure it > can't compare to a top-of-the-line accelerometer. So are these > readings really *that* accurate? I'm not slamming your iPhone; I just > want to know. I'll slam an iphone any day. what is so fucking great about a phone that c= osts $400 and becomes obsolete in 6 months? Yet people worship these thing= s like they were the second coming of the flying spaghetti monster.=20=20 =20 > > It's as much fun as any other B+M hyper and right up there > > with my other fav B+M Hyper, Nitro. >=20 > Nyquill? Another snoozer! Read it again Nate... the key word is "fun." Not intense g-forces. (I don= 't have an Iphone, remember?) Not "I'm so much of a coaster tool that I ma= ke fun of anything that's not as intense as B:TR."=20 Just teasing Nate.... Nitro, and all other B+M hypers that I have ridden are just fun. That's w= hy Janice and I like them. They are re-ridable and I would be happy to hav= e anyone of them at my home park. Not replacing Millenium Force of course,= but they could tear out that POS Magnum any day. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Jul 04 10:27:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5565 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 17:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2009 17:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f196.google.com) (209.85.212.196) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 17:27:23 -0000 X-Received: by vwj34 with SMTP id 34so1248450vwj.26 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.91.213 with SMTP id o21mr5466733vcm.117.1246728382877; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=RbhQ6Rgd1M9gNmH-m28haztMmTtpEWr3C8BU74kPi6mUfi4XRKp1RS8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I'll slam an iphone any day. For the record, I think they're stupid too. But I was really just questioning how accurate something like is at measuring g-forces in such an environment. >> Nyquill? Another snoozer! > > Read it again Nate... the key word is "fun." Not intense g-forces. How much fun can you have when you're asleep? :) All kidding aside, I don't think Nitro (or Diamondback, for that matter) are bad rides. And I think they were probably smart choices on the part of the respective parks. But I do think it's disappointing when parks build these massive rides that end up being less forceful/intense/etc than something half that size. > Nitro, and all other B+M hypers that I have ridden are just fun. That's why > Janice and I like them. They are re-ridable and I would be happy to have > anyone of them at my home park. Not replacing Millenium Force of course, but > they could tear out that POS Magnum any day. I wouldn't disagree with any of that (especially the part about Magnum). I just don't think it'd kill B&M to kick it up a notch. :) -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Jul 04 14:23:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55004 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 21:22:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2009 21:22:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 21:22:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6352 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 21:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Jul 2009 21:22:54 -0000 Message-Id: <4A09FBEC-BB9F-44D2-B83D-9ACB86EED3AD@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:22:53 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=avHwFlNZ7No9JVMpmESaks-obcZKRad5up9szp8Md6zbWJVU X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Here's my question: how accurate are G-force readings from an iPhone? The sample-rate for the GPS and accelerometer is so low as to be meaningless in this context. There's also the issue of of how the phone is mounted to the ride .. Any pocket, fanny pack, or arm-band is going to produce totally nonsense (borderline random) results. Even if you could attach the phone to the train, how and where it is attached would vastly change the results. All this makes it even more necessary to just put the stupid phones away (as per park rules :) ), and simply enjoy the rides for what they are. They are not built for performance, they're built to entertain. Cameron. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 04 16:56:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26497 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 23:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2009 23:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 23:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2009 23:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2009 23:56:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:56:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907031329r24fdd054qf8894aab499c3a5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.244.174 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Ghost Town in the Sky X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=eV7pHUhA0M-PUfAlSvLYAKVtFKBSAwkSyQhgiuP-pDH68zjlQASh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I am curious how they will ride. < You can tell by the POV video; the camera was shaking all over the place. = It sounded like the wheels were coming loose. Very weird. Who made the tr= ains? > That ride looks so...pointless. [snip] I cannot see them lasting too lon= g with this as their signature ride. < I remember when it was built. It was a Hopkins creation, one of their few = coasters. The owner at the time wanted a signature family ride that took a= dvantage of the terrain and didn't cost an arm and a leg. Hopkins delivere= d a small family looping coaster that was a good fit for the park. It may = not seem like much by today's standards. Outside of the loop, it's not muc= h different from Great Escape's Canyon Blaster, an old Arrow mine train tha= t's all of 45 seconds long. But back when it was built, it was an impressi= ve addition for such a small park. Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jul 04 17:11:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70863 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 00:11:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 00:11:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 00:11:09 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so1756151ana.21 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.9 with SMTP id e9mr1618940iba.45.1246752609372; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0907031329r24fdd054qf8894aab499c3a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:10:07 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907041710l7aaf80b9h66d93eede2a8a131@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Ghost Town in the Sky X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=P4_W9zwREcsdjpwtyQnwTx0PuOer8OdiTUbHRgDSUVzJoqg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska That makes sense in an historical perspective, but I hope they have something else in the works...I'm not sure if that ride is really going to cut it. I'm sure it's way out of their price range, but a small silenced B&M looper would be perfect. -mike On 7/4/09, jay_ducharme wrote: >> I am curious how they will ride. < > > You can tell by the POV video; the camera was shaking all over the place. > It sounded like the wheels were coming loose. Very weird. Who made the > trains? > >> That ride looks so...pointless. [snip] I cannot see them lasting too long >> with this as their signature ride. < > > I remember when it was built. It was a Hopkins creation, one of their few > coasters. The owner at the time wanted a signature family ride that took > advantage of the terrain and didn't cost an arm and a leg. Hopkins > delivered a small family looping coaster that was a good fit for the park. > It may not seem like much by today's standards. Outside of the loop, it's > not much different from Great Escape's Canyon Blaster, an old Arrow mine > train that's all of 45 seconds long. But back when it was built, it was an > impressive addition for such a small park. > > Jay > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Jul 04 18:50:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11914 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 01:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 01:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.249) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 01:49:58 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1371721anc.44 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:48:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.17.194 with SMTP id t2mr1644435iba.20.1246758538170; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 21:48:58 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907041848r63bc25d1sea2702d6524c6e79@mail.gmail.com> To: rollercoastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=tEF79NznWIbTdN0z-RXnSOp8LQE7yIJ0dy5qhwmTVIomEvI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Hey everyone, I hope all of the Americans on the list are having a great freedom day. I, personally, am wearing my way-oversized america shirt. It's a polyester button down (with no top button-of course) with an almost life-sized picture of some biker dude riding a harley with an eagle 3x the size of him over his shoulder, all of which takes place on a beautiful american flag backdrop. Science bless this country! But anyway, recently more people have been submitting videos on this list, mostly hosting them through their own webpage. I would like to ask that in addition to embedding the you tube video, you please create your own youtube link to the video and post it in plain html. The direct youtube link created by the embed feature does not show up, nor does the video, when browsing on IE Mobile. I still do not have a usable PC, and you tube directly outputs to mobile, so this would be a very nice gesture. I am not trying to tell contributors how to do their thing, just asking as a favor. It's hard to guess what the title of any video is going to be, so searching only works 1/2 the time. But linking would make the whole thing a lot easier. We could even set up our own rct channle or something. And Lance, I check screamscape regulary so I hope you read my suggestion too. Have a happy 4th everyone -Mike From lance@screamscape.com Sat Jul 04 21:01:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4219 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 04:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 04:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com) (69.174.114.214) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 04:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MNItl-00045w-PQ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:00:24 -0400 Message-ID: <2D96358C3B5C42C8AAE5E3D2778E1A2A@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <6ab4641f0907041848r63bc25d1sea2702d6524c6e79@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907041848r63bc25d1sea2702d6524c6e79@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:00:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 69.174.114.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=llnJQwt1EhQUWlUCGyCfD6rSzGISP4xr0iKB__d0BtIpulrJLzL5nVVk-w X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > But anyway, recently more people have been submitting videos on this > list, mostly hosting them through their own webpage. I would like to > ask that in addition to embedding the you tube video, you please > create your own youtube link to the video and post it in plain html. > The direct youtube link created by the embed feature does not show up, > nor does the video, when browsing on IE Mobile. I still do not have a > usable PC, and you tube directly outputs to mobile, so this would be a > very nice gesture. > > I am not trying to tell contributors how to do their thing, just > asking as a favor. It's hard to guess what the title of any video is > going to be, so searching only works 1/2 the time. But linking would > make the whole thing a lot easier. We could even set up our own rct > channle or something. And Lance, I check screamscape regulary so I > hope you read my suggestion too. So are you talking about things on the list, or saying that when I embed a video into a Screamscape update, I should also put the html link as well there? Whenever I post something to the list, I always do the html, but typically for the website I will often just embed... because lets face it, embedding keeps the viewer on your site while linking sends them elsewhere... I never thought to do both though since the embed also usually gives the option to link through to the youtube page directly... 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--YCalReminder=oE6DvHAVSuYOASXPLG8DD1246773038-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Jul 05 08:30:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18857 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 15:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 15:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 15:30:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2009 15:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2009 15:30:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:30:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907041848r63bc25d1sea2702d6524c6e79@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=up1JfIRVmVDZDkKa4N1gdUsO5r_3_oHxaUW0-cPeosWKJTQrRhLC X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > Hey everyone, I hope all of the Americans on the list are having a > great freedom day. I, personally, am wearing my way-oversized america > shirt. It's a polyester button down (with no top button-of course) > with an almost life-sized picture of some biker dude riding a harley > with an eagle 3x the size of him over his shoulder, all of which takes > place on a beautiful american flag backdrop. Science bless this > country! What? No "3 wolves 1 moon" t-shirt? What could be more patriotic than tha= t?=20=20 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NZW3IY/ref=3Dcm_sw_r_fa_dp For those who haven't seen this yet, it's hilarious. Make sure to read the= user reviews. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Jul 05 09:19:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24902 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 16:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 16:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f200.google.com) (209.85.210.200) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 16:19:08 -0000 X-Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so962814yxe.12 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:18:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.32.69 with SMTP id b5mr1826691ibd.4.1246810688568; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:18:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2D96358C3B5C42C8AAE5E3D2778E1A2A@ScreamscapeHP> References: <6ab4641f0907041848r63bc25d1sea2702d6524c6e79@mail.gmail.com> <2D96358C3B5C42C8AAE5E3D2778E1A2A@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907050918u609043c0n18172fe4ba6a97db@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=oGiMKnIbQJhBzp30aBce1EAtscdYtH2-sKJsHYKZeDrFWYw X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I meant both. Jay has been posting videos lately as well, and when I get to his site I can't find a link. I've just noticed the links dropping off most blogs, which leaves me in the dark on these videos. But yeah, I would love it if screamscape started doing this too... I check the site several times a week, but I'm not able to see any of the videos. And I have seen the 3wolves1moon shirt before. Is this a full blown meme already, or do you read reddit? -mike On 7/5/09, Lance wrote: >> But anyway, recently more people have been submitting videos on this >> list, mostly hosting them through their own webpage. I would like to >> ask that in addition to embedding the you tube video, you please >> create your own youtube link to the video and post it in plain html. >> The direct youtube link created by the embed feature does not show up, >> nor does the video, when browsing on IE Mobile. I still do not have a >> usable PC, and you tube directly outputs to mobile, so this would be a >> very nice gesture. >> >> I am not trying to tell contributors how to do their thing, just >> asking as a favor. It's hard to guess what the title of any video is >> going to be, so searching only works 1/2 the time. But linking would >> make the whole thing a lot easier. We could even set up our own rct >> channle or something. And Lance, I check screamscape regulary so I >> hope you read my suggestion too. > > > So are you talking about things on the list, or saying that when I embed a > video into > a Screamscape update, I should also put the html link as well there? > Whenever I post something to the list, I always do the html, but typically > for > the website I will often just embed... because lets face it, embedding keeps > the > viewer on your site while linking sends them elsewhere... > I never thought to do both though since the embed also usually gives the > option to > link through to the youtube page directly... > > From lance@screamscape.com Sun Jul 05 09:20:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93256 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 16:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 16:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com) (69.174.114.214) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 16:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MNUR0-0000V5-NV for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <1246773059.537.38529.m4@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1246773059.537.38529.m4@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:19:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 69.174.114.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Deadly Walt Disney World Monorail Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=mVD_SHU3690vuFC_SJ80hX5EFEwp4vOpl1HND7IckQjFpidLn3SXmzBgug X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance It's horrible, but two monorail crashed late last night at Walt Disney World in the TTC station (Magic Kingdom Parking Lot). Looks like the one flew in full speed at about 2am to crash into another one parked in the station... the driver is dead, whic is obvious when you see the pictures of the aftermath as the two trains appear to be fused together into one almost. Check out the update, including a link to video footage shot in the station just after the accident as guests help CM's try to get people out, at Screamscape.com From lance@screamscape.com Sun Jul 05 09:53:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57012 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 16:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 16:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com) (69.174.114.214) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 16:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MNUwq-0006zg-8T for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:52:16 -0400 Message-ID: <50D3BEA715F642639FBD70AC182F4A41@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <6ab4641f0907041848r63bc25d1sea2702d6524c6e79@mail.gmail.com> <2D96358C3B5C42C8AAE5E3D2778E1A2A@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0907050918u609043c0n18172fe4ba6a97db@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907050918u609043c0n18172fe4ba6a97db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:52:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz65.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 69.174.114.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=sjfPNdr4NWKnxuBItovuKrwwRDnhvBWvzL32bqjJxBdEzOmYPvL8St7I1A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cowan" To: Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Videos - a request >I meant both. Jay has been posting videos lately as well, and when I > get to his site I can't find a link. I've just noticed the links > dropping off most blogs, which leaves me in the dark on these videos. > But yeah, I would love it if screamscape started doing this too... I > check the site several times a week, but I'm not able to see any of > the videos. I guess the problem is you go through some extra work to embed the video and next thought about anyone trying to view the site who can't see the embed, but can still somehow watch youtube videos. Kind of an odd problem... what are you using that causes this? From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Jul 05 10:55:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86681 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 17:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 17:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f222.google.com) (209.85.217.222) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 17:55:38 -0000 X-Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22so2967287gxk.20 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:55:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.17.194 with SMTP id t2mr1794236iba.20.1246816532525; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:55:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50D3BEA715F642639FBD70AC182F4A41@ScreamscapeHP> References: <6ab4641f0907041848r63bc25d1sea2702d6524c6e79@mail.gmail.com> <2D96358C3B5C42C8AAE5E3D2778E1A2A@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0907050918u609043c0n18172fe4ba6a97db@mail.gmail.com> <50D3BEA715F642639FBD70AC182F4A41@ScreamscapeHP> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:55:32 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907051055r637189f0m90d0e861bcd0a8b3@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=eRejPWxlmHVhWcvefFXNPfU68Gc8vW36Aw7xcI2Y6SWzBWE X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I'm on a windows mobile smartphone (6.0...need to get back on an xp system so I can update to 6.1) running iemobile for internet. The browser (or os) are not compatible with flash, which sucks becayse most of the internet is flash based these days. But youtube automatically recognizes the mobile browser and ports out to wmp mobile directly. I even have a youtube app right on my homescreen, which is neat. Hopefully the flash problem will be solved when I'm able to get the 6.1 upgrade, but by then I'll probably have a real pc so it'll be moot point. Embedding is a great feature, and I'm probably one of maybe 5 or less regulars who would be drastically affected by this. I know its a dumb request, but pweeeasee????? -mike On 7/5/09, Lance wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Cowan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Videos - a request > > >>I meant both. Jay has been posting videos lately as well, and when I >> get to his site I can't find a link. I've just noticed the links >> dropping off most blogs, which leaves me in the dark on these videos. >> But yeah, I would love it if screamscape started doing this too... I >> check the site several times a week, but I'm not able to see any of >> the videos. > > I guess the problem is you go through some extra work to embed the video and > next thought about anyone trying to view the site who > can't see the embed, but can still somehow watch youtube videos. Kind of an > odd problem... what are you using that causes this? > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Jul 05 10:56:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87838 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 17:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 17:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 17:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MNVwW-0006y4-Do for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4A50E91D.4020409@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:55:41 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1246773059.537.38529.m4@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a19bffe9fcc52ec412119488d9b3bc52f025b727e4dfa0d8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Deadly Walt Disney World Monorail Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=1uT-ZXZdIvCvtFTRYOcGuRQlhsWGL-j7VR0KJX1l2vvvOh4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Heard about this this morning, and talk about a complete shock. I (and I'm sure many others) are wondering how on earth this could happen. As a rule WDW keeps the monorail trains quite a distance aways from each other, and if they get within sight of a train ahead of them they will slow down to a stop until the other train moves. There is also an autostop system in place that will automatically shut down and stop the trains if they get within a couple of sensor blocks of each other (according to one article online they're 200-300 feet apart each, so at least 500 feet for 2 of them). Between the driver and the autostop those trains should never have been close, let alone one hitting the other at full speed. Horrible looking crash, and especially to happen with guests on the trains. It's going to be a few days at least until any of the monorails are running again. keep on ridin' George Lance wrote: > It's horrible, but two monorail crashed late last night at Walt Disney World > in the TTC station (Magic Kingdom Parking Lot). > Looks like the one flew in full speed at about 2am to crash into another one > parked in the station... the driver is dead, whic is obvious when you see > the pictures of the aftermath as the two trains appear to be fused together > into one almost. > > Check out the update, including a link to video footage shot in the station > just after the accident as guests help CM's try to get people out, at > Screamscape.com > -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From drounds@jvlnet.com Sun Jul 05 15:18:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32883 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 22:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 22:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.8.8) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 22:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 82816607 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:18:44 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 30985 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jul 2009 22:18:44 -0000 Date: 5 Jul 2009 17:18:44 -0500 X-Received: from 76.201.146.173 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:18:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907051055r637189f0m90d0e861bcd0a8b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0907041848r63bc25d1sea2702d6524c6e79@mail.gmail.com> <2D96358C3B5C42C8AAE5E3D2778E1A2A@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0907050918u609043c0n18172fe4ba6a97db@mail.gmail.com> <50D3BEA715F642639FBD70AC182F4A41@ScreamscapeHP> <6ab4641f0907051055r637189f0m90d0e861bcd0a8b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:18:44 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.8.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Videos - a request - WM 6 flash player X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=tOG1d8m9gkUPosnX42-N3ljOgEYGBehyqkFcvYEeC13pF0NQQvRcqrob2lgJ0Wik8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds@sbcglobal.net WM 6.1 does not do flash either. Apparently this is an Adobe/Microsoft issue. IE style addins do not work in the WM 6/6.1 Internet Browser. Many TV stations have the same problem as I was unable to view any imbedded video of this morning's incident at WDW. David Rounds p.s., the WM6.1 browser also does not do Java. > > Hopefully the flash problem will be solved when I'm able to get the > 6.1 upgrade, but by then I'll probably have a real pc so it'll be > moot point. > > Embedding is a great feature, and I'm probably one of maybe 5 or less > regulars who would be drastically affected by this. I know its a dumb > request, but pweeeasee????? > From drounds@jvlnet.com Sun Jul 05 15:44:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9894 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 22:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 22:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.8.8) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 22:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 82829319 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:44:10 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 4711 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jul 2009 22:44:10 -0000 Date: 5 Jul 2009 17:44:10 -0500 X-Received: from 76.201.146.173 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3e7bdb3e68b4d8778794b0221f2c0f81.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:44:10 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.8.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: Re: iPhone/iTouch Accelerometer (was: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=Ez14LbnNYMpQobS3DlUI9JYFPVZ9b89FIm8t70gjcyosuIRTWSQVbipu_jbJIsMfjA X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds@sbcglobal.net According to the STMicroelectronics datasheet for the LIS331DL sensor, the accuracy is 0.5% fs, i.e., either +/- 0.0115g or +/- 0.046g with a resolution of 0.018g or 0.072g depending on which mode the program operates the sensor. David Rounds > Here's my question: how accurate are G-force readings from an iPhone? > It's not like it's built with that function in mind, and I'm sure it > can't compare to a top-of-the-line accelerometer. So are these > readings really *that* accurate? I'm not slamming your iPhone; I just > want to know. > > -Nate > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Jul 05 16:58:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23641 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 23:58:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 23:58:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 23:58:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2009 23:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2009 23:58:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:58:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907050918u609043c0n18172fe4ba6a97db@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.244.174 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=lBVAWcwY9chQm2Db2Id1SSGSNXEwDY88n5c9_xLQuYf94jetUd4q X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I meant both. Jay has been posting videos lately as well, and when I get= to his site I can't find a link. < Okay, now I understand what you're asking. Well, you could just get an iPh= one. Then you wouldn't have any problem. :-P Sorry. Just had to counter the iPhone bashing and rescue my manhood. I'd be happy to post the links along with the embedded video. Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Jul 05 17:59:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28087 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 00:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 00:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f188.google.com) (209.85.210.188) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 00:59:27 -0000 X-Received: by yxe26 with SMTP id 26so5045077yxe.4 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:58:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.12.135 with SMTP id x7mr1257065ibx.42.1246841921045; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:58:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0907050918u609043c0n18172fe4ba6a97db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907051758w53c95eeehbbc56d39b39fcadd@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=qcBn36CtAKpokTwflsd00pGXOlDmw1TXoxR3GnFD1c9hXUg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Seriously, iphones are like magic. Apple really knows how to market their products to suckers...and no....I'm not jealous at all...;) That aside, I'm really looking forward to what the new palm pre will do once the bugs are smoothed out. The android looks nice, but google's app store didnt launch too well. Thanks Jay, I did enjoy getting to watch your silver comet video, but still havent been able to find the seabreeze ones. On 7/5/09, jay_ducharme wrote: >> I meant both. Jay has been posting videos lately as well, and when I get >> to his site I can't find a link. < > > Okay, now I understand what you're asking. Well, you could just get an > iPhone. Then you wouldn't have any problem. :-P > > Sorry. 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--YCalReminder=3IyRXfCqqDVA2EQG5Nc85UmaSOY4UWR1246859450-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 15:19:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94155 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 22:19:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 22:19:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f206.google.com) (209.85.217.206) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 22:19:44 -0000 X-Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so4320933gxk.7 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:19:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.26.3 with SMTP id 3mr4571221agz.27.1246918761372; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:19:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A50E91D.4020409@earthlink.net> References: <1246773059.537.38529.m4@yahoogroups.com> <4A50E91D.4020409@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:19:21 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0907061519q46d73750uef6eec4af5ef7674@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Deadly Walt Disney World Monorail Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=eeM9bKzzQ4l9d9craY6TFkvDSsprTpEGBzSJ-tbCTwntzsFmjw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Yeah. I just don't get it. Should have NEVER happened. Some accidents on rides, you can see how there's a remote possibility, but with both computer AND human fail-safes, it shouldn't have even come close. On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM, george burnash wrot= e: > Heard about this this morning, and talk about a complete shock. =A0I (and > I'm sure many others) are wondering how on earth this could happen. =A0As > a rule WDW keeps the monorail trains quite a distance aways from each > other, and if they get within sight of a train ahead of them they will > slow down to a stop until the other train moves. > > There is also an autostop system in place that will automatically shut > down and stop the trains if they get within a couple of sensor blocks of > each other (according to one article online they're 200-300 feet apart > each, so at least 500 feet for 2 of them). =A0Between the driver and the > autostop those trains should never have been close, let alone one > hitting the other at full speed. > > Horrible looking crash, and especially to happen with guests on the > trains. =A0It's going to be a few days at least until any of the monorail= s > are running again. > > keep on ridin' > George > > Lance wrote: >> It's horrible, but two monorail crashed late last night at Walt Disney W= orld >> in the TTC station (Magic Kingdom Parking Lot). >> Looks like the one flew in full speed at about 2am to crash into another= one >> parked in the station... the driver is dead, whic is obvious when you se= e >> the pictures of the aftermath as the two trains appear to be fused toget= her >> into one almost. >> >> Check out the update, including a link to video footage shot in the stat= ion >> just after the accident as guests help CM's try to get people out, at >> Screamscape.com >> > > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoaste= rTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! =A0Spread the word = about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Jul 06 15:50:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82739 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 22:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 22:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 22:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2009 22:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2009 22:50:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:50:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907050918u609043c0n18172fe4ba6a97db@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=bhN4HY3Oj8_xTV4qxiTPX7yZq9F_T4T6Ftg5fcgHImrg3uJ8cmcl X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > And I have seen the 3wolves1moon shirt before. Is this a full blown > meme already, or do you read reddit? >=20 > -mike Uuuhhh... yeah... how stupid of me not to know about the meme's. Science, = I'm such an idiot! ;) -Brian F. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 06 17:22:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25093 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 00:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 00:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 00:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:21:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:21:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.244.174 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TR: Cedar Point and Put-in-Bay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=rDqRTXKluf1qxSZRz6JFQcmzJmIwS6vX9TWhvGEJLSW4yaA5nxHu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Photos can be found here: Jay =3D=3D=3D Friday, Karen and I arrived in Sandusky, Ohio. The weather had cleared up;= the sun was shining and a steady breeze was blowing. We were returning to= Cedar Point after four years. Our daughter was working there, as was her = boyfriend. We were there to meet up with them and the boyfriend's parents.= They all liked parks and roller coasters. That Friday we got together fo= r dinner with them. Saturday we headed for the park. There had been a few= changes there since our last visit, but nothing huge. As we entered the ca= useway, there was a colorful new sign with a video screen showing scenes fr= om the park. I was puzzled as to why this sign and the one at the entrance= were placed directly on the ground, making the park's name difficult to se= e in traffic. The view from the causeway was still amazing, a jumble of gi= gantic rides stretching out into Lake Erie. We paid the $10 parking fee and were guided to about a third of the way bac= k into the parking lot. I was surprised at how empty the park was for a Sa= turday. Of course, at Cedar Point, "empty" is relative. By that point the= re were probably a few thousand people in the park. From the parking lot, = eight of The Point's sixteen roller coasters were visible. We walked up to= the entrance. This year, the big blue awning out front advertised the 20t= h anniversary of Magnum XL-200, the first roller coaster built over 200 fee= t tall. We walked onto the midway, which looked pretty much the same. One= of The Point's two carousels was in front of us, playing recorded music ev= en though it had a band organ. To the left was a new food concession, Hurr= icane Hannah's. It was nice to see that The Point still had beautiful land= scaping throughout the midway. The big addition for this season was the St= arlight Experience, which happened after dark along the Frontier Trail. We= were going to meet up with the family for that. Until then, Karen and I t= ook our time enjoying the sights and sounds of the largest amusement park i= n the world. Raptor, one of the most photogenic coasters ever built, was sending riders = through its twisted course. We walked under it and onto the plaza where th= e station for the Blue Streak was located. The oldest coaster in the park,= Blue Streak was also our favorite. There was a fairly long line for it, b= ut it moved along quickly and in about fifteen minutes we were in the front= seat. The ride, built in 1964, was one of the oldest in the park. But it= still had a lot of kick to it. Every hill produced strong airtime. The r= eturn trip was one bunny hop after another, all the way back to the station= . Rides at Cedar Point didn't have to be big to be fun. We walked back out to the main midway. The brightly colored kiddieland are= a was busy. Across from the Raptor was a new area where formerly the big b= all fountain was. It was a sort of mini spray park, and the kids seemed to= really be enjoying it. We walked north and took a stroll through the shad= y Frontier Trail area. There was no sign of where the Starlight Experience= was going to be. We did see a goat sunning itself on a pile of logs. The= Frontier Trail remained the prettiest area of the park, with rustic old bu= ildings and a thick canopy of trees. We emerged next to Snake River Falls,= the shoot-the-chute ride. For some reason, the ride was stopped and a boa= t full of passengers was perched at the edge of the drop. A few moments la= ter, the ride restarted and the boat splashed down. On the opposite side o= f the midway, the park's newest coaster, Maverick, was flying through its c= ourse. The small 3-car trains looked strange moving so fast, as if they we= re small toys. We walked to the far back of the park where we found that elusive delicacy,= Cheese-on-a-Stick, at the Chik-fil-A stand. We each ordered one and in a = few minutes had our freshly fried treats. They probably rushed them a bit,= because my cheese wasn't fully melted. But nevertheless it tasted great a= fter all this time. I resolved that I would have to learn how to make them= for myself.... Karen hesitantly decided to try Millennium Force, the 310-foot-high steel b= ehemoth. Although it had become one of the best-loved coasters on the plan= et, I never understood what all the fuss was about. I had ridden it only t= wice before, once on a drizzly day and the other time in the pouring rain. = So all I really remembered from the ride was cold and pain and bugs hittin= g me in the face. I figured that my opinion would change if I rode it on a= nicer day. Karen was a bit fearful, not knowing the ride or how extreme t= he forces were. I told her it was basically like a bigger Superman (R.I.P.= ) from Six Flags New England. There wasn't much of a line and Cedar Point = was running three trains, so our wait was minimal. I liked how the queue l= ine was so close to the track. You could feel the extreme speed of the tra= in as it blasted by. We waited for the front seat. There was a really enthusiastic attendant wi= th a wireless headset who continually joked with the crowd and got them pum= ped up. The operation was efficient and friendly. Soon we were seated. I= was glad that the trains still had the small T-bars, but I was thankful fo= r the seatbelt. Though the T-bars were secure, they made me feel so vulner= able, as if I could fly out of the train on every hill. The lift cable eng= aged underneath the train and we were gently pulled up the enormous steep l= ift at an unusually fast pace. The view was breathtaking, the blue expanse= of Lake Erie. Before I could take it all in, the track seemed to curl und= er itself and we were plummeting down the 80-degree drop. I could feel the= skin pulling back on my face from the wind pressure. Even with the extrem= e speed, the ride was smooth. We rose up into the first insanely-banked tu= rn and then dove into the first tunnel. Next was the giant camelback hill = with Intamin's trademark sustained airtime. Then we flew into the pretzel = turnaround, back over another camelback, another tunnel and then the turn a= longside the station. We screamed past the station, whipped through the fi= nal turn and smoothly hit the magnetic brakes. Karen loved it! And so did I. Finally, I knew why so many people liked th= e ride. I still liked Superman better; it had more variety and better paci= ng. But Millennium Force was a close second. I wish there was more time t= o see what was happening during the ride. It wasn't even obvious that we j= umped across the river onto an island in the middle of the park. And the t= unnels were more like sewer pipes. But there was no denying that the ride = got our adrenaline pumping and brought smiles to our faces. And since the = Superman we loved was no more, MF probably would become our favorite steel = coaster.=20=20 We headed over to the photo stand and were going to get a picture of oursel= ves on the ride, but for some reason my head was cut out of the image. So = we passed on that and walked next door for a more sedate trip on the Cedar = Point and Lake Erie Railroad, one of my favorite amusement park trains. I = liked the big authentic coal-fired steam engine. The trip to the back of t= he park was picturesque, running between the lake and the Millennium Force'= s lift hill and then running alongside Maverick. We disembarked in the Fro= ntier Trail area, next to the Maverick entrance. Our daughter said Maveric= k was fun and smooth, but given our back and neck troubles we didn't want t= o chance it. So we walked along past the Cedar Creek Mine Ride and Gemini,= past the gargantuan Top Thrill Dragster and back to the main midway. It w= as enjoyable just to be enveloped by the atmosphere of the park. We were near the classic Racing Derby and couldn't resist riding. Though n= ot much more than an overgrown carousel, its ingenious mechanism still amaz= ed me as our horses surged forward and back. Karen won the race by a nose.= We walked back toward Blue Streak and lined up for the Turnpike Cars, a l= ong and pleasant ride that intertwines with the Cadillac Cars. Then we hea= ded over to the games across the midway. Karen had always wanted a ukelele= , and there was a water gun game with racks full of them. We were allowed = to play against each other, so there was no way we could lose. But we had = to play twice (to "upgrade" the stuffed animal we won on the first try). K= aren chose a pink model and couldn't wait to play it.=20 We met up with our daughter and her boyfriend after their shifts ended. Th= ey took us out to a delicious dinner at Ruby Tuesday's. Then we returned t= o the park. The Peanuts characters were wandering about. Karen paused to = take a picture with Charlie Brown. Karen wasn't keen on the Magnum, but I = definitely wanted to ride it in celebration of its 20th birthday. So the b= oyfriend and I walked over. It was hard for me to believe that the ride wa= s built so long ago. I could remember clearly the excitement when it opene= d, how no one ever expected a coaster to reach 200 feet into the sky. The station was still as funky as ever, and the trains looked like they wer= e taken from Space: 1999. It all seemed like a mash-up between a retro sci= -fi show and an old shopping mall. There were very few people in line and = we were soon seated at the front of the train. The noisy Arrow lift hill s= till presented its wonderful view of Lake Erie. The first drop, while not = as severe as Millennium Force, still packed a whallop. But where Magnum sh= ined was on those wonderfully kinked hills. While MF provided strong, smoo= th floating airtime on its few hills, Magnum tossed us violently up into ou= r lap bar. As dusk settled in, the tunnels along the course were much more= effective. The pretzel turnaround was steeply banked but taken at a slow = enough speed so that we could really feel the banking. The return run was = one smashing kick of airtime after another until we reached the long run up= to the station. I had forgotten how much fun Magnum was. It seemed to ge= t overshadowed by its big brother. But Magnum held its own with a much dif= ferent experience from Millennium Force. It was a more rough-and-tumble co= aster experience, and a very enjoyable one. We then walked over to the Arrow hybrid racing coaster, Gemini. Once the h= ighest capacity ride in existence, the park no longer ran six trains. But = even with four trains, it had enormous throughput. Karen and I headed for = the front of the red train and our daughter and her boyfriend took the blue= train. This coaster celebrated 30th birthday last year but it stll gave a= fun airtime-filled ride. And Karen and I came in first. Across the midway, we lined up for the Paddlewheel Excursions. This was as= close to Disney as The Point got, with animatronic figures scattered throu= ghout the trip. Our captain, as usual, was full of bad puns. By that poin= t darkness was settlng in. We met up with the parents and took a walk thou= gh the Starlight Experience. The park strung sets of LED lights throughout= the Trail, representing the four seasons. It was much prettier than I exp= ected. You could purchase special glasses that created diffraction pattern= s in the light, but I liked the display the way it was. a few displays had= been set up along the trail, inflated Peanuts characters in enviroments re= presenting different seasons. Cedar Point did a really nice job with the S= tarlight Experience. It may not have created as big a draw as a new coaste= r, but it was a unique and fun family offering. As we headed back toward the entrance, the big nightly light show was takin= g place on the main midway, with patriotic music and images and flames shoo= ting up into the air and fireworks. It was all a bit overblown, but the cr= owd seemed to be really enjoying it. Then we headed out to rest up for the= next day. On Sunday we all got together for an excursion to an island in Lake Erie, P= ut-in-Bay. It was a big tourist destination with a diverse collection of a= ttractions. We parked near a dock and boarded a ferry out to the island. = The ferry also carried a lot of vehicles, from bicycles to pickup trucks. = The parents, Bob and Joan, told us they were going to rent an electric golf= cart for the day. So we were able to leave our car behind. The trip acro= ss the lake was a pleasant half-hour ride on another beautiful day. We disembarked at the Lime Kiln Dock and walked up a steep hill to the golf= cart rentals. Bob got a six-person cart that had a surprising amount of p= ep to it. He knew the island really well. The narrow island roads had ver= y little vehicular traffic except for other golf carts and occasional bicyc= lists. Our first stop was at a quaint shop, The Cargo Net. It was owned b= y two elderly gentlemen and stocked with every nautical item imaginable. K= aren and I found a beautiful brass ship's lamp that would look great in our= home. The proprietors were willing to ship it to us, so we bought it. Bob then drove us through the town square. As we passed through, I could s= wear I heard a band organ playing. We travelled along a coastal road and a= rrived at the Admiral Perry memorial, a 300-foot-high tower. It was the sm= allest national park in the United States. We took an elevator ride up to = the viewing deck where we were treated to stunning views of the surrounding= islands. From there he drove us around the peaceful island roads and over to a small= beach. I had noticed that in a few places there were copies of Robert Ind= iana's famous 1960s "LOVE" painting. At this beach were giant stone cubes = with those letters painted on them, but jumbled up like a child's building = block collection and forming the word EVOLVE instead. After skipping some stones, we headed back toward the town square. There w= ere lots of college-age kids milling about, as if Put-in-Bay was a miniatur= e Daytona Beach. There were dozens of small touristy shops. A parade had = begun, consisting mostly of antique cars that drove around the square. I f= ollowed the sounds of the band organ, and it led me to Kimberly's Carousel,= a 1917 Hershell merry-go-round that was restored in 1979. It sat on a law= n between two shops. Two workers were busy cleaning the ride and changing = light bulbs, ocassionally stopping to give customers a spin. The many mena= gerie figures on the ride included a large humorous fish. The Wurlitzer ba= nd organ was playing one of the same rolls we've used at the Holyoke Merry-= Go-Round. I paused to listen to it while the rest of the family explored s= ome of the shops. Bob took us to Mossback's for dinner. It was a small eatery with a beautif= ul wood and crystal bar. Karen and I had delicious black bean burgers. Af= ter dinner, Bob drove us to some of the most popular attractions on the isl= and. The first was the Heineman Winery, home of the Crystal Cave, the worl= d's largest geode. We started our tour with a complementary glass of the b= est grape juice I've ever had. Then we descended the long damp staircase i= nto the center of the geode. A tour guide explained how it formed and how = it was discovered. It was pretty fascinating. Next up was the Butterfly Museum at Perry's Cave. Dozens of butterflies (m= any from Costa Rica) were flitting about. One alighted on Karen's hat and = another on her foot. Some of the butterflies were quite striking. We stay= ed there for about a half an hour, then Bob drove us to an area where we co= uld see a house that was built from part of an actual ship. As the sun san= k lower in the sky, we skipped a few more stones and then boarded the ferry= for the ride back. Karen and I stood at the front of the ferry and felt t= he spray from the lake as we returned to the mainland. Our last stop for the evening was at Toft's Ice Cream, a popular spot in Sa= ndusky. I asked for a small cone of strawberry cheesecake. The girl had p= iled on about a quart of ice cream and was going to continue until I told h= er to stop. The large cones must have had nearly a half gallon on top. It= was way too much to eat, but it was good and made a nice ending to a relax= ing day. On Monday, Karen and I returned to Cedar Point. Once again the sun was wit= h us, and it was a bit warmer. We brought sandals for the water rides and = stowed them in a locker near the Frontier Trail. We took a walk through th= e Town Hall, with its numerous displays of memorablilia. We watched a well= -made history of Cedar Point in a small theater there. Then we ventured ba= ck out onto the midway. The nearby Skyhawk was thrilling riders with its e= xtreme swinging motion. We walked past it and over to Snake River Falls, a= t one time the largest shoot-the-chutes ride ever built. It still produced= a huge splash. There wasn't much to the ride: a lift, a covered turn and = then the splashdown. But we were glad we changed into sandals; the boat m= ight as well have been submerged. We got completely soaked. From there we walked over to another ride that was sure to soak us: Thunder= Canyon. The ride itself was fairly mild, but toward the end there was a g= roup of waterfalls that was unavoidable. Our ride was made more enjoyable = by a small boy who was on our raft and having the time of his life, talking= almost non-stop. The finale of Thunder Canyon was like a repeat of Snake = River Falls. We got off the ride looking as if we had gone swimming. We s= logged over to the Chik-fil-A stand for another Cheese-on-a-Stick. This ti= me there were three workers there who were less than enthusiastic. The gir= l who waited on us lazily went to grab the one cooked Cheese-on-a-Stick rem= aining and she dropped it on the floor. She wasn't too happy and called ou= t for another to be made. Meanwhile, a worker at the other end of the coun= ter was slumped over, his arms crossed on the counter and his head down as = if he was sleeping. We finally got our delicacies and sat down on a nearby= bench to eat them. This time, mine was done correctly but Karen's wasn't = cooked on the inside. At least we each ended up with one good one after tw= o visits.... The nearby Antique Cars had no line, so we queued up for that. Cedar Point= was the only park I knew of that had three separate antique car rides. Th= is one on the Frontier Trail ran around a sort of green island and through = a covered bridge. After our brief ride, we returned to our locker, put our= shoes back on and headed back to our car. We took the easy route, riding = the railroad. As we waited for the train, the massive structure of the Mea= n Streak loomed over us. When the coaster cars rumbled by, the ride earned= its nickname of Mean Squeak. The return trip on the railroad brought us p= ast numerous humorous animatronic displays of western-garbed skeletons. Al= l the while there was the pungent smell of burning coal from the big engine= . We returned to the park after stowing our sandals in our car and walked pas= t Raptor, a ride that never seemed to stop running and never seemed to wane= in popularity. But Karen and I passed it by and instead lined up for anot= her trip on Millennium Force. This time the line was much longer, but it m= oved quickly. A girl stood in the queue line and tried to entertain the cr= owd with quizzes and jokes. The dispatch crew could be heard over the P.A.= system. They had given the different trains nicknames based on their colo= rs (red, blue and yellow). The roar of the train blasting by inches away c= aused us to jump each time. After about a half hour we were again in the f= ront seat and gliding up the lift hill. The ride was just as exhilarating = the second time. And once again at the photo stand, my head was cut off in= the picture. Back on the midway, the deafening roar of the stand-up coaster Mantis drown= ed out everything else. We strolled back through the Frontier Trail and en= tered the Emporium, where I had seen some nice t-shirts. I bought a few, i= ncluding a Magnum 20th birthday shirt. Then we slowly walked along the wind= ing paths back toward the main midway. It was sort of sad. We could spend = a week at Cedar Point and never get tired of it. It was a carnival on ster= oids, much bigger than life but just as wonderous. Everything was built so= that even big kids felt little again, whether the ride was Magnum or maXai= r. And of course there was the elusive Cheese-on-a-Stick.... We checked out the Pagoda gift shop. Karen spotted a spectacular model of = the Millennium Force layout. There were also scale model reproductions of = the coaster's trains. But they weren't cheap. Althought the layout model = was $80, it was remarkable. Every detail was recreated down to the queue l= ine tents and the railroad train passing by. So I splurged for it, and som= e other souvenirs. I doubt I ever purchased so many souvenirs from a singl= e park as I had over the years at Cedar Point. That was not only a testame= nt to the quality of their souvenirs, but of the fact that we wanted to hol= d on to the memories of the fun times we had there. And it wasn't just abo= ut the rides. The Starlight Experience was a good example of a simple attr= action that was delightful without having to be thrilling. Like any good p= ark, we left wanting more. And, like an old friend, even though we had to = part company, we knew it wouldn't be too long before we'd see each other ag= ain. From jjloj@netzero.net Mon Jul 06 17:23:14 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20723 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 00:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 00:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 00:23:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1246926161; bh=/Xm0gVpPE1FVjmmobbFILvZkyJFNXwWVmAWbjRDlbTg=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=F1CsffIobWfoZlRGlaYpX3t0IsTcZSlFalywrTmUcheoBc8YUtmuy8yqM8edqebIdZ8hXozAXrZ6yh4jbxoxdhwdzcPZ7I5sal6YqGgOqHmQBC06dgb6P0GQVlKXbaRe Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:22:41 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:22:41 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:22:41 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34777 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 14:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 14:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 14:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2009 14:43:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2009 14:43:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2009 14:43:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:43:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A09FBEC-BB9F-44D2-B83D-9ACB86EED3AD@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.250.3.35 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Re: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=MSWXxNh-EIilQZYmI6FOCwIL4Cs3KaWDnAKWCxgyBXE X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=none; X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 07 Jul 2009 00:22:40 -0000 As I posted in message 31538: "The accelerometer in an iPhone is a LIS302DL three axis accelerometer sens= itive to less then 0.080 g's per digit. on the 8 g scale. (the more digits "used"= the less sensitive it gets)" Sample rate on the accelerometer can be set north of 100 Hz, I would think= that is sufficient. The phone and ipod I am using don't have GPS. My rese= arch says that a GPS unit that would tell you anything about the course of = the ride is bigger then human portable and cost more then a nice car. As t= o attaching it to the train, I don't care what g's the train feels I care w= hat g's I feel and if the ride bangs me back and forth then I want that rec= orded. (And I start the recorder in line and stop it after the ride.) As to the "fun" thing. All coasters are fun. The wait in line on opening = day for Diamondback was not that fun. So I want to try to make the best wa= it vs. ride choice. Therefore I measure. Just in case my mood lies to me = about the quality of the ride. In this case my emotional opinion and the d= ata for the ride were in line with each other. In fact my opinion of the o= pening day ride was to high, the measurements show that this ride was a was= te the first time I rode it. But it was opening day and I got a t-shirt...= . So it seemed more fun then it was. You don't have to look at the graphs, I had hoped some would find it intere= sting. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 06 17:39:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84406 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 00:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 00:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 00:39:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:38:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:38:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907051758w53c95eeehbbc56d39b39fcadd@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.244.174 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=b6FvM18eE02QtaDG8PlPoxBs4YOARkNC2VJMmHNUHcqhlLD4DUFe X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Seriously, iphones are like magic. Apple really knows how to market thei= r products to suckers < Gee, thanks. :-P Actually, I've found the device to be the most user-friendly time saver I'v= e ever owned. And it's also a lot of fun. Good luck with the Pre. :-) > Thanks Jay, I did enjoy getting to watch your silver comet video, but sti= ll havent been able to find the seabreeze ones. < Just go here: After the video's finished, you should see my other Seabreeze videos pop up= as links. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 06 17:49:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38468 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 00:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 00:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 00:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:49:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:49:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50D3BEA715F642639FBD70AC182F4A41@ScreamscapeHP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.244.174 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=I_5mfDKAxCWmUo9Z-2ETosAA272-MEkVVe-4POfG3JiFIiiFvMq_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I guess the problem is you go through some extra work to embed the video = < Actually, the embedding is a JavaScript routine. Thanks to monopolistic Mi= croshaft, IE refuses to recognize many otherwise standard web codes. So th= e new IE browsers and Windows Mobile browsers often cannot see parts of the= web that people using, say, Firefox, Opera or Safari have no problem seein= g. Likewise, MS often encourages coding that's specific to IE so that othe= r browsers can't see it. Also, much of the video encoding on the Web is now in H.264 -- another stan= dard that MS isn't too thrilled about. They obviously prefer WMV. Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jul 06 17:51:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85081 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 00:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 00:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 00:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MNyuU-0007Xi-IX for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: <4A529C11.9060300@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:51:29 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1246773059.537.38529.m4@yahoogroups.com> <4A50E91D.4020409@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0907061519q46d73750uef6eec4af5ef7674@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0907061519q46d73750uef6eec4af5ef7674@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a19bffe9fcc52ec471c675762b521d36baa965144973d9dc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Deadly Walt Disney World Monorail Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=lRtJPGeyo8xw5q9sOq2PZqDFP_dj9GGuaVuTezJSxF2vMQM X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Getting some other information- much of this isn't verified and should be taken as strong rumor. Some of it is speculation on my part based on what I've heard. At 2 am that night it was very foggy with very poor visibility. May or may not have had anything to do with it. They were in the process of moving the pink train from the epcot line to the magic kingdom line. This has to be done to be able to move it back to the round house. In order to do this properly they have to turn off the auto-stop proximity system according to some because of the distances with the train movement from one line to the other. The pink train may or may not have been moving at the time- likely not. The purple train was coming into the station. It should have been stopped by the system. There were also stops available to the driver, to the station monitors, and to the system monitors. It's unknown if any of them were hit- if they were, why didn't the stop the train, and if they weren't, why not? Somewhere in there some major failure took place. My own speculation- I'm also wondering why the impact was so vicious when the purple train should have been moving slow for station approach. well, it shouldn't have been moving at all, but at that point in the line it wouldn't be moving fast. It just seems like someone in there is something that made this impact bigger than it would have otherwise been. OSHA released the ride back to Disney today, which would indicate that they cleared it of mechanical issues. Read into that what you will. This is posted with some other detail at the Orlando Sentinal site. keep on ridin' George Josh W wrote: > > > > Yeah. I just don't get it. Should have NEVER happened. Some accidents > on rides, you can see how there's a remote possibility, but with both > computer AND human fail-safes, it shouldn't have even come close. -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 06 17:56:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83600 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 00:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 00:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 00:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 00:55:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:55:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.244.174 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Coaster Videos - a request - WM 6 flash player X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Iu-8YuWTBXovOxMC4xTB6IK_Zyn9gCspLbwe5Pxe252JmAM51lmU X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > WM 6.1 does not do flash either. Apparently this is an Adobe/Microsoft is= sue. < Actually, it's ;just an Adobe issue. Flash doesn't work on the iPhone, nor = any other mobile device. Flash leverages the processor for its rendering. = On mobile devices, Flash would suck their batteries dry in no time. So un= less Adobe improves its coding, Flash will begin to fade in importance. Apple has been advocating a powerful open-source webkit platform that allow= s programmers to create Flash-like animation and interactivity that's easil= y rendered across all browsers. MS probably won't support it because they = have their own proprietary Silverlight. I think the webkit will win out in= the end, though. Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Jul 06 18:04:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9084 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 01:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 01:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 01:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MNz6w-0006gP-Ra for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:04:42 -0400 Message-ID: <4A529F16.1010907@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:04:22 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <1246773059.537.38529.m4@yahoogroups.com> <4A50E91D.4020409@earthlink.net> <76e1ec0a0907061519q46d73750uef6eec4af5ef7674@mail.gmail.com> <4A529C11.9060300@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4A529C11.9060300@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a19bffe9fcc52ec40d0bffc0aefd29c504b373dfc465776a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Deadly Walt Disney World Monorail Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=teKcXdnQdJo2D0u0tWXu6RaDXdkYv4Dn-OJt8cYM2bfCW34 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash From Dave Althoff on another group I'm on: > SPECULATION in the theMONORAILsociety discussionj group is that purple did not crash into pink as the initial news report implies, but rather that pink actually was backing up, presumably to switch to another line, when it collided with purple. > > That explanation does explain why the safety system failed to prevent the collision, as apparently backing over a switch requires a safety system override, and the operator did not know that the red light on his console meant not that the switch was thrown behind him, but that he was backing into an occupied block. > > This leaves a lot of questions in my mind, though..... > > --Dave Althoff, Jr. -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 19:16:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10570 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 02:16:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 02:16:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f186.google.com) (209.85.210.186) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 02:16:46 -0000 X-Received: by yxe16 with SMTP id 16so3128411yxe.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.12.135 with SMTP id x7mr2448792ibx.42.1246932983452; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0907051758w53c95eeehbbc56d39b39fcadd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:16:23 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907061916l5ca228d8qbd9ba7f355652d9@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=7x4n-Tf3q7IB-TVMUvOKxHMb_vA0aG0NpYIaEcWdosAMS3A X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I know Iphones are fantastic, I'm just so anti-trend I went with win mobile (but this was also before iphones went 3g). honestly I'm just jealous. Either way I hate opera mini, and the new skyfire does not work for me. How long until mozilla finally works out the kinks on the mobile browser they've been talking about since before firefox 3 dropped. Or even google, with their unlimited resourses, where is my chrome mobile??? I am so sick of IE. But thanks for the seabreeze link! -mike On 7/6/09, jay_ducharme wrote: >> Seriously, iphones are like magic. Apple really knows how to market their >> products to suckers < > > Gee, thanks. :-P > > Actually, I've found the device to be the most user-friendly time saver I've > ever owned. And it's also a lot of fun. Good luck with the Pre. :-) > >> Thanks Jay, I did enjoy getting to watch your silver comet video, but >> still havent been able to find the seabreeze ones. < > > Just go here: > > > > After the video's finished, you should see my other Seabreeze videos pop up > as links. > > Jay > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 19:19:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30819 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 02:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 02:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f181.google.com) (209.85.210.181) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 02:19:11 -0000 X-Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so6448619yxe.3 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:18:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.26.3 with SMTP id 3mr4743451agz.27.1246933091039; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:18:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0907051758w53c95eeehbbc56d39b39fcadd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:18:10 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0907061918ibac6faem276578f82440119b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=GolCHJ8uV2UmNmAi2LWbjLAtnLY1jEQrvVJbvkKFdU2K2NYB1w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I just got a Nokia E71x. Best phone I've owned to date. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:38 PM, jay_ducharme wrote: > > >> Seriously, iphones are like magic. Apple really knows how to market thei= r >> products to suckers < > > Gee, thanks. :-P > > Actually, I've found the device to be the most user-friendly time saver I= 've > ever owned. And it's also a lot of fun. Good luck with the Pre. :-) > >> Thanks Jay, I did enjoy getting to watch your silver comet video, but >> still havent been able to find the seabreeze ones. < > > Just go here: > > > > After the video's finished, you should see my other Seabreeze videos pop = up > as links. > > Jay > >=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Jul 06 22:51:22 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43444 invoked by uid 7800); 7 Jul 2009 05:51:15 -0000 Date: 7 Jul 2009 05:51:15 -0000 Message-ID: <1246945875.477.43420.m3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=XUAtUnmgByTZN6UTCK6ya33rPzoJtMW1246945835-1" --YCalReminder=XUAtUnmgByTZN6UTCK6ya33rPzoJtMW1246945835-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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Notes:   On this date in 1967, Kirchhellener Märchenwald opened its doors. Later in 1977, it became Traumlandpark; then in 1968 Neue Traumland; later still, in 1992, to Bavaria Filmpark Bottrop. In 1996 it became Warner Brothers Movie World Germany. In 2000 it was given the Six Flags branding, but by 2004 it was sold once more to become Movie Park Germany in 2005. (phew!)
 
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--YCalReminder=XUAtUnmgByTZN6UTCK6ya33rPzoJtMW1246945835-1-- From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 05:31:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48012 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 12:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 12:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f201.google.com) (209.85.210.201) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 12:31:06 -0000 X-Received: by yxe39 with SMTP id 39so6472352yxe.6 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:30:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.32.6 with SMTP id f6mr10403768anf.143.1246969806517; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0907070530q2dc0beb1sd0627e823a26346c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Texas Giant Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=qLv9nY7IoH1Xq7MkrKR4Ss9rT7JxUbWkhkr8sXoZGW_mutw X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *Inspector says Texas Giant car lost position on track http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/070609dnp= rosixflags.1458b656.html * *10:45 PM CDT on Monday, July 6, 2009* *By BROOKS EGERTON / The Dallas Morning News begerton@dallasnews.com* Six Flags Over Texas shut down the Texas Giant roller coaster for much of last week after one car lost its proper position on the track and began gouging the rails, a veteran safety inspector said late Monday. Barry Richard provided the first public account of what led the Arlington amusement park to close one of its highest-profile rides during the height of the summer season. "This is a very rare occurrence," he said. "I don't remember in the last 10 years another incident like this." Six Flags continued to withhold details Monday of what went wrong and how i= t was fixed. A spokeswoman also mischaracterized state officials' role in overseeing the park. Last week, spokeswoman Sharon Parker initially said only that staff "detected an error with one of the cars." Later, she said that hot, dry weather caused track misalignment. "We have no further comment beyond the statements that have previously been provided," she said in an e-mail Monday evening. On Saturday, Parker announced the roller coaster's restart with this writte= n statement: "On Friday, the ride was thoroughly inspected by Six Flags engineers and an inspector from the state Department of Insurance and has been cleared to reopen." The Insurance Department contradicted part of that statement. "We did not do any inspections," department spokesman Jerry Hagins said Monday. "We do not have any inspectors." In Texas, amusement parks' insurers hire the inspectors who certify =96 usually once a year =96 that rides are safe. The Texas Giant, which was built in 1990, passed inspection in February. Hagins said news coverage about the ride's closure last week led the Insurance Department to ask Six Flags to have the ride rechecked. It passed again, according to a certificate signed by Richard. He works for PLH & Associates, a Lakeland, Fla.-based inspection company chosen by the park's insurer, ACE. Richard told *The Dallas Morning News *that an "up-stop wheel" =96 which is supposed to help hold running wheels down on the track =96 somehow failed o= n the train's last car. The car "disengaged from its proper position" and was dragged 200 to 300 feet until the whole train stopped, he said. It remained attached to the ca= r in front of it by a bar and thick steel cables. "Some folks were scared, I'm sure," Richard said. Riders, he explained, would feel the dragging, hear noise, maybe see sparks =96 and possibly face the uneasiness of being evacuated from a wooden coaster that is, according to Six Flags, more than 14 stories tall at its peak. Richard said he did not know where the ride stopped. "It really wasn't that bad," he added. Modern coasters have redundant safet= y features that ensure "the train is not going to fly off the track." The incident damaged the track bed and guide rail, which have since been replaced. He said the faulty train itself remains out of service and is being rebuilt. Richard said his primary job was to verify that repairs were done properly. He said he also walked the entire track to look for signs of other trouble and found none. "All of the Six Flags folks are extremely safety-conscious," the inspector said. He asked for no changes, he said, beyond tightening some bolts a bit. Why did the incident occur? "You need to talk to the folks at the park about that," Richard said. "I'm not involved in the investigation of the accident." It's unclear whether anyone has been hurt on the Texas Giant recently. The state Insurance Department requires amusement park operators to notify it quarterly of all injuries that require a physician's attention. There were no reported injuries on the coaster in the first quarter of 2009= , Hagins said. Second-quarter reports had not arrived as of Monday. The ride is scheduled to close next year and undergo a $10 million renovation, as Six Flags announced in March. Last month, the park's New York-based parent company filed for bankruptcy protection. At the time, Six Flags Over Texas president Steven G. Martindal= e said operations would be unaffected. "Guests who come to the park are not going to see anything but improvements," he said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 07 05:43:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72102 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 12:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 12:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ns4.maddancer.com) (65.162.110.184) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 12:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net [69.17.72.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns4.maddancer.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n67Cgx12013929 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:43:00 -0500 Message-Id: To: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7A341) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7A341) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:42:50 -0500 References: X-Originating-IP: 65.162.110.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster Videos - a request - WM 6 flash player X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=7Wf5E6eZ26Og-jkYeg-pP8nmC22oQwDBoP67ruSbOGSUdfwu X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon HTML5 will be the death of Flash anyway. It won't be missed... Cameron. -- Cameron Silver On Jul 6, 2009, at 19:55, "jay_ducharme" wrote: >> WM 6.1 does not do flash either. Apparently this is an Adobe/ >> Microsoft issue. < > > Actually, it's ;just an Adobe issue. Flash doesn't work on the > iPhone, nor any other mobile device. Flash leverages the processor > for its rendering. On mobile devices, Flash would suck their > batteries dry in no time. So unless Adobe improves its coding, > Flash will begin to fade in importance. > > Apple has been advocating a powerful open-source webkit platform > that allows programmers to create Flash-like animation and > interactivity that's easily rendered across all browsers. MS > probably won't support it because they have their own proprietary > Silverlight. I think the webkit will win out in the end, though. > > Jay > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 07 06:19:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98862 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 13:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 13:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:19:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27815 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 13:18:54 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Jul 2009 13:18:54 -0000 Message-Id: <46DDCA6E-E832-4667-8354-1995EFBD18DC@buzzneon.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907061916l5ca228d8qbd9ba7f355652d9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:18:52 -0500 References: <6ab4641f0907051758w53c95eeehbbc56d39b39fcadd@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0907061916l5ca228d8qbd9ba7f355652d9@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=WDqJU_rGGQdy1lj5x8yOIcbKhFTvfwidbq0yQ6Q8oRf-7CK9 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I know Iphones are fantastic, I'm just so anti-trend I went with win > mobile (but this was also before iphones went 3g). honestly I'm > just jealous. I can totally understand and respect not following a trend just because it's trendy - but not buying something you actually like just because it's trendy seems a little odd :) > Either way I hate opera mini, and the new skyfire does not > work for me. How long until mozilla finally works out the kinks on > the mobile browser they've been talking about since before firefox 3 > dropped. Mozilla should fix up the desktop browser first! That thing is a total memory pig, and leaks like a sieve. It's way out in front in terms of features, but it's a horribly written piece of software and I can't fathom how bad it would be on a mobile device. > I am so sick of IE. You're certainly not alone there :) Cameron. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 07 06:54:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45624 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 13:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 13:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:54:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1338 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 13:54:39 -0000 X-Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (buzzneon@[69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Jul 2009 13:54:39 -0000 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:54:38 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: And that is why it is important to ride it more then once... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=EIruI1Mt_ba8UASGmJXcFr_7R8cc2HR0A3HPvpCt_hWCzRJb X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > As to attaching it to the train, I don't care what g's the train > feels I care what g's I feel and if the ride bangs me back and forth > then I want that recorded. (And I start the recorder in line and > stop it after the ride.) But that's the point, it's completely inconsistent (by your own admission), which makes the data totally useless. It's like declaring which of two cars is the fastest by just watching them (not at the same time). For someone who's such a stickler for accuracy, I can't believe you'd put stock with what is essentially random data. If you really are more interested in the g's that you feel (rather than that of the train), why do you even need the data at all .. can't you tell how much airtime you get?! > You don't have to look at the graphs, I had hoped some would find it > interesting. The graphs are meaningless as long as the data continues to be recorded in such an inconsistent way. Cameron. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 06:57:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14259 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 13:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 13:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:57:05 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so2036152ana.23 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:56:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.34.10 with SMTP id h10mr10282306anh.182.1246974964081; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:56:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46DDCA6E-E832-4667-8354-1995EFBD18DC@buzzneon.com> References: <6ab4641f0907051758w53c95eeehbbc56d39b39fcadd@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0907061916l5ca228d8qbd9ba7f355652d9@mail.gmail.com> <46DDCA6E-E832-4667-8354-1995EFBD18DC@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:56:03 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907070656r6ab514cwb3f30275fe4160e7@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster Videos - a request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=13MoNyZSJsGJ7WdDHb8jF2UmHFTFAaMrxZg1whDk7ZBk-ZI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I'm not getting an iphone because of $$. All the other stuff was toung-in-cheek except for the Iphone not being 3G when I was in the market. I know firefox has its problems, but it's still the best browser for the functionality I want. And the memory issues only become noticable when you're running 10+ add ons with 20 open tabs. Either way the new mozilla browser will probably be java based which WM6 hates anyway. -mike so how bout dem coasters On 7/7/09, Cameron Silver wrote: > >> I know Iphones are fantastic, I'm just so anti-trend I went with win >> mobile (but this was also before iphones went 3g). honestly I'm >> just jealous. > > I can totally understand and respect not following a trend just > because it's trendy - but not buying something you actually like just > because it's trendy seems a little odd :) > >> Either way I hate opera mini, and the new skyfire does not >> work for me. How long until mozilla finally works out the kinks on >> the mobile browser they've been talking about since before firefox 3 >> dropped. > > Mozilla should fix up the desktop browser first! That thing is a total > memory pig, and leaks like a sieve. It's way out in front in terms of > features, but it's a horribly written piece of software and I can't > fathom how bad it would be on a mobile device. > >> I am so sick of IE. > > You're certainly not alone there :) > > Cameron. > From jjloj@netzero.net Tue Jul 07 07:29:16 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34468 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 14:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 14:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 14:29:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1246976944; bh=mtwTayRlz6ukX1D+rmHxufviUb0lDzB3lfbmWfhGm30=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=DvzhAVMKjFMmmQpzKkcbjG7IR5d05ymT8odMcPxaAecJWud1cQsu2V95LSBDnvgD4mfDEgYhghySY89CljkBRVYAAWWi49b3lhJPNE9LMLA/tYcXBukYWTI39epZebGA Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 14:29:04 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 14:29:04 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60316 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 12:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 12:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 12:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 12:55:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 12:55:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:55:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.67.99.162 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: Lets Ask This Way... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=Y_ukiKb9_J2kEs-DkJIb2RDcX_OOhENHaCJb0tHx5bM X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=none; X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 07 Jul 2009 14:29:02 -0000 Now that we have discussed me, and my iPhone how about we discuss the coast= er. If someone came to you and said that one ride on a given coaster gave less = then 2 seconds of "airtime" on a ride in the back seat. Then later on the = same given coaster near the front got over 4 seconds of "airtime." Leaving= out the other details, how does a ride that give double the "airtime" on o= ne ride as it does on another ride make you feel? Good thing? Bad thing? Okay if it is a new coaster and they are working o= n it? From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 08:23:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51320 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 15:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 15:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f202.google.com) (209.85.212.202) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:23:49 -0000 X-Received: by vwj40 with SMTP id 40so3788859vwj.33 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.46.10 with SMTP id h10mr12535310vcf.8.1246980182111; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:23:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Lets Ask This Way... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=mpPk3tUgM8Nq21HCmc_gmNc-ujHq_hnwEfnJ_1IkW6eDn3qRz81Xme8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Leaving > out the other details, how does a ride that give double the "airtime" on one > ride as it does on another ride make you feel? Answer: it doesn't. Your device just tells you that it does. -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 07 08:39:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99925 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 15:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 15:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:39:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18202 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 15:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from 74-94-116-170-chicago201-il.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (HELO [192.168.1.48]) (buzzneon@[74.94.116.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Jul 2009 15:39:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4A536C37.7080709@buzzneon.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:39:35 -0500 User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b13 (Windows/2009062915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Lets Ask This Way... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=GawDIgZyBl1mFASmCS2OuDU_af87M_Ky3aXVAmokLMDY1HnD X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > If someone came to you and said that one ride on a given coaster gave less then 2 seconds of "airtime" on a ride in the back seat. Then later on the same given coaster near the front got over 4 seconds of "airtime." Leaving out the other details, how does a ride that give double the "airtime" on one ride as it does on another ride make you feel? > I would ask them where they got those numbers. If they told me the numbers were collected in a manner as inaccurate and inconsistent as yours, then I would completely dismiss it and go about my day. If however someone said "I prefer coaster XYZ near the front because it seems to provide more floater air, which I really enjoy", then I would be more likely to listen to what they have to say. Cameron. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 08:42:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60878 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 15:42:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 15:42:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.217.218) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:42:32 -0000 X-Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so7906177gxk.15 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.127.4 with SMTP id z4mr10708237anc.129.1246981292050; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:41:31 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907070841v3ee9e8c4p8851b2a7a619cf3c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Lets Ask This Way... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=wWMbyCJ6EO9UUh6nvd0DZ_tuIYhz5zktwxudPxtm1T0bpdo X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Coasters are tempermental and the ride experience changes on so many variables (heat, humidity, wind, new/old/broken in wheels, weight of the train, etc.). Most of us are aware of that, and I only judge rides on the experience I have while riding. I let my mood and other factors affect my experience, because it's my experience and I'm going to feel how I feel. If someone tells me a ride is running a lot better now, I may try harder to get out there and ride it, but I'm not going to let their words affect what I already experienced. To bring this back to the original discussion; your original take on diamondback seems to be around how I would feel towards the ride, same as Nate. I am very happy to hear you had a better ride on it recently. But I'm still going to expect the coaster to be bland. This way, I may actually like the coaster a lot more than I expect to, and will have a better time riding it. If it meets my expectations I won't be dissapointed, because I'm not expecting much to begin with. In terms of the data, regardless of how accurate the numbers are (and they don't seem tooooo far off), I have begun to find it interesting. I dont care about graphs and charts or anything, but I thought it was neat to see how the numbers improved once the ride broke in a bit. But I still feel like you're putting the numbers in place of your experience, and I'd rather read about your feelings toward a ride than your feelings about the numbers the ride provided. -mike "whats the point of putting a number next to everything you do" "well, if the number goes up it means you're having more fun"(misquoted from calvin and hobbes" On 7/7/09, Jon Osborn wrote: > Now that we have discussed me, and my iPhone how about we discuss the > coaster. > > If someone came to you and said that one ride on a given coaster gave less > then 2 seconds of "airtime" on a ride in the back seat. Then later on the > same given coaster near the front got over 4 seconds of "airtime." Leaving > out the other details, how does a ride that give double the "airtime" on one > ride as it does on another ride make you feel? > > Good thing? Bad thing? Okay if it is a new coaster and they are working on > it? > > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 10:21:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88775 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 17:21:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 17:21:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 17:21:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 17:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 17:21:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:21:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A529F16.1010907@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: Deadly Walt Disney World Monorail Crash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=4ElocRTErhB19NWO6hN5_jCeuHd85ebCVG6KvGxpbYCxRVU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-disney-monorail-cause-070709,0,181666= 7.story Interesting that the NTSB is getting involved. Adam From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 07 16:13:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50214 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 23:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 23:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 23:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 23:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 23:12:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:12:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.197.87 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Everything on a stick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=KNB046qB7l-FYPu3x9HB46TGCwu5CrQVxaL6PItQWgdl2jJEjez3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme The Wisconsin State Fair offers nearly everything on a stick: Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 07 16:15:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24532 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 23:15:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 23:15:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 23:15:31 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 23:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 23:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 23:14:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:14:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.197.87 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EDpPUcWaiWO75QNLAdtxXCQHqL8E-oiAAiBRJE2RhRJTo03G5qiN X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme American Profile magazine has an article about roller coasters: Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Jul 07 22:45:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89691 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 05:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2009 05:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 05:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2009 05:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2009 05:45:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:45:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.181.154 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Cedar Point and Put-in-Bay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=4Uh9aYNXyrMRiPTXWg6EcpLe3tb-ug2BFMhfdV_Sl55_yx-GCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" = wrote: >We could spend a week at Cedar Point and never get tired of it. It >was a= carnival on steroids, much bigger than life but just as >wonderous. >the fact that we wanted to hold on to the memories of the fun times >we ha= d there.=20 >Like any good park, we left wanting more. And, like an old friend, >even = though we had to part company, we knew it wouldn't be too long >before we'd= see each other again. I must be going to a different Cedar Point, as I've never had a particularl= y pleasant day at the park, despite Millie being my #1 steel.=20 And I was just there last week, so the distaste for the park is very fresh = in my memory. Ah, well. Glad to hear that you had a good time at least, Jay. 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--YCalReminder=Imll1vrxMJ1DaxKUK1247032244-1-- From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Jul 08 12:11:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8094 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 19:11:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2009 19:11:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f198.google.com) (209.85.221.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 19:11:02 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f198.google.com with SMTP id 36so4596502qyk.12 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.37.141 with SMTP id x13mr3656142ibd.39.1247080262301; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:11:02 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0907081211t59922907ub2d1c27983751a8b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Ghost Town in the Sky Update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=oSZilORR5HNRRfLcjG0WVMWt_jqJO6zIQY6WCvBtzwXQ-FQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe I commented on my perception of the vehicles before. Adam Ghost Town coaster an open-and-shut case By Becky Johnson =95 Staff writer ------------------------------ The much-anticipated roller coaster at Ghost Town opened amid fanfare last week, then was promptly shut down again. The coaster is one of the primary attractions at the mountaintop amusement park in Maggie Valley, but has been plagued by a series of glitches in the two years since the park opened under new ownership. The new owners pledged to breathe life into the 1960s-era amusement park, including rebuilding the coaster that had been shut down due to safety issues under the former owner= . The park hired a ride manufacturer to build an all-new roller coaster train that could run on the existing track. The new train has been slow to pass state ride inspections, however =97 from the type of harnesses it used to t= he way the cars rode on the track. All those hurdles were finally cleared, however, and the coaster debuted to the public for a single day last Wednesday (July 1). By Thursday, it was shut down again. The latest glitch involves the way the seat frames are bolted to the cars, according to Jonathan Brooks, head of the N.C. Elevator & Amusement Device Bureau. The seats will have to be taken apart and the connections analyzed = =97 all the way down to which forge and which batch the steel came from, Brooks said. Brooks said the ball is now in the ride manufacturer=92s court to do an evaluation and come up with a fix. =93Until their engineers come back to us with a suitable solution to the problem, there is where we are,=94 Brooks said. Ghost Town characterized the issue as =93fine-tuning=94 in a press release = sent out last Friday announcing the set back. =93The maintenance of a coaster is an ongoing and continual thing. This is just part of a process,=94 said CEO Steve Shiver. Indeed, a roller coaster = at Carowinds was shut down by the state over the weekend due to concerns that arose there. Shiver said the ball is already rolling on a new design for the seat brackets. If the new design is approved by the state, it should not take long to make the modifications to each seat. Shiver said issues like this aren=92t unusual and in fact are to be expecte= d as part of the process in launching a new roller coaster. =93If it were easy everybody would be doing it,=94 Shiver said. =93Some of = it is trial and error, particularly given the uniqueness of our location and the logistics of being on top of this mountain. That=92s why we are excited abo= ut having one of the most unique roller coasters in the world.=94 How it was discovered The state signed off on the final round of lengthy and arduous inspections Tuesday afternoon, but Brooks asked one of his inspectors to hang around an= d keep a close eye on the first couple of days of the ride=92s operation. =93This being a brand new coaster, it is not unusual to have the inspector hang around and make sure the operations are running properly,=94 Brooks sa= id. In fact, ride inspectors make both surprise and announced inspections of al= l amusement parks and fairs in the state. Sometimes inspectors will pay the admission price at Carowinds and go in undercover as a tourist. Brooks said the repeated monitoring goes with the territory. =93You are taking people and turning them upside down and flipping them and spinning them, so there is a constant oversight that happens,=94 Brooks sai= d. The Cliffhanger roller coaster was open to the public all day on Wednesday. But Thursday morning, a Ghost Town ride operator detected something that didn=92t seem quite right. He noticed what seemed to be abnormal movement o= f one of the seats in a car at the back of the train. The movement was most likely imperceptible to most, but not for an attuned ride operator. =93You get to know every little clink. They know when they see some abnorma= l movement,=94 Brooks said. The ride operator in turn called the state inspector over who was still on the grounds. The inspector examined the seat fastenings, which wasn=92t an easy task in itself. =93You have to get on your belly, standing on your head with a flashlight a= nd mirror, to be honest,=94 Brooks said. The inspector called Brooks and told him something didn=92t look right in there. Brooks=92 response: shut down the coaster and take the seat apart. T= he ride inspector found a hairline crack in the seat frame near the bolt that fastened it to the car. =93I took some heat for shutting it down, which I was willing to take. I do= n=92t have an issue with that. My family may be on it and I certainly want it saf= e for my family, your family, everyone else,=94 Brooks said, reciting the rul= e of thumb behind his decisions. Shiver said that while the setback is =93absolutely frustrating=94 he, too,= puts safety first. =93We want a safe and enjoyable experience for all our patrons,=94 Shiver s= aid. =93We have waited this long to open the coaster and because of our false starts in the past, we want to make sure that all of our theming and the complete Cliffhanger experience is satisfactory according to the high standards I personally set when we embarked upon the renovations and remaking of Ghost Town in the Sky.=94 Inspection process works The closure is a testimony to the state=92s inspection system working properly, Brooks said. Brooks said his inspectors had been all over the roller coaster train examining every bolt and the crack wasn=92t there. Bro= oks surmised it is a stress crack that developed during operation. It=92s one reason the state requires a roller coaster to make 1,000 runs loaded with 170-pound sand bags in each seat before it can pass inspection. The test runs not only familiarized ride operators with the coaster enough so they would detect any abnormality, but also meant the stress crack appeared early in the coaster=92s debut while an inspector was still on sit= e and not back in Raleigh already. =93We crossed all our T=92s and dotted all our I=92s,=94 Brooks said. Shiver agreed. =93The process worked like it should,=94 Shiver said. =93That=92s why we ha= ve daily inspections and well-trained ride operators. It worked.=94 Brooks=92 expertise in ride operations helped the amusement park overcome a problem that had been stumping them for months. The roller coaster was repeatedly getting stuck on the track in certain places. The ride manufacturer, Rotational Motion, was unable to diagnose the problem that seemed potentially insurmountable without either rebuilding the cars or making serious alterations to the track itself. Ghost Town had hired Brooks=92 former counterpart with the state ride inspection bureau, Clyde Wagner. The two were on site at Ghost Town one day trying to troubleshoot the confounding problem. =93He and I were just talking one day and I said something ain=92t square h= ere,=94 Brooks recounted. It turned out the neoprene wheels weren=92t quite hard enough. Using an instrument to taking readings on the softness of the wheels, they tested th= e old wheels from the original roller coaster cars and discovered they were slightly harder than the ones on the rebuilt cars. New, harder wheels solve= d the problem. There was another issue as well. The park has greased down the track with cooking oil. Lubricants aren=92t uncommon to reduce friction since roller coasters operate on gravity. The cooking oil left a residue, however, and sand sifting out of the bags placed in the seats during test runs had stuck to the track and even gotten in the bearings. Brooks had the maintenance crews strip the tracks of the build-up. The ride manufacturer suggested switching to baby oil as a lubricant, which is applied to the wheels of the cars by hand every morning. *The Cliffhanger* *Ghost Town=92s Cliffhanger roller coaster is truly amazing. The track perc= hes on the side of a 4,700-foot mountaintop, offering sweeping vistas of distance mountain ranges in every direction and the valley floor visible fa= r below. See footage of the short-lived opening of the coaster filmed by a tourist, including footage of the ride from the front seat of the coaster train atwww.ghosttowninthesky.com/Special/cliffhanger.html.* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Jul 08 15:25:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88486 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 22:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2009 22:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 22:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2009 22:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2009 22:24:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:24:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.35.129.36 From: "Alan" Subject: A long time since... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uVLvt-GRNLw_GAL7Q-1ngr0eJVKEOg_g3lWcVFZr-3_J4fU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Well, it's been almost a year since I last posted here, and I see all of th= e regulars are still at it. I hope all of you are well and happy. I may not participate as much as I had in the past (some of you will be thr= illed), because I have other things going on in my life too. You'll be hearing more from me soon. -Alan From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Jul 08 17:24:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27124 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 00:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 00:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 00:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 00:23:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 00:23:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:23:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.250.234 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: Cedar Point and Put-in-Bay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=QKSsBSczkCH1ap1dVheMn8RKyODf4TcPZ8osUL29jqc6qtqOc2WH X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I must be going to a different Cedar Point, as I've never had a particula= rly pleasant day at the park, despite Millie being my #1 steel. < It wasn't always that way for me. I think the turning point was when I sto= pped trying to ride very ride in the park. I used to get really bummed out= if I couldn't get in every coaster at least once. And all I'd do is give = myself heat exhaustion trying. As I've gotten older and mellower, I recognize that, yes, there are rides I= want to experience, but it's not a matter of life and death. What's beco= me more important to me (and most of you have heard this before) is simply = soaking up the atmosphere. And the atmosphere at The Point, I think, is un= ique. It's like a giant county fair, and I like that. Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 05:28:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57564 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 12:28:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 12:28:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f200.google.com) (209.85.210.200) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 12:28:06 -0000 X-Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so158354yxe.12 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:27:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.33.12 with SMTP id f12mr201736ibd.49.1247142440142; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:27:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907090527y1f5ee398oa69c71d6c19a9d6d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Cedar Point and Put-in-Bay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=cQTqYWGJZIOnMuNuyGaeRpxRyd88CGOhewloju3RXPY3_mg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Cedar Point has always been my favorite big park, ever since my first time there in 2000. I have never had a bad day at the place in the 5 or 6 times I've been. My first trip I had to ride every ride, but now I just go at a light pace and try to get to all of my favorites without rushing around too much. Also, understanding human behavior and crowd dynamics really helps to keep the wait times down. I am glad to hear Frontier Trail is still beautiful, that's my favorite section in the park. I always wind up walking that path way more than any other in the park. It's almost like the plopped down a small traditional park in the middle of the huge corporate park. Great TR, a pleasure to read. Just like always. But the real question is, what did you think of the boyfriend? ;) -Mike On 7/8/09, jay_ducharme wrote: >> I must be going to a different Cedar Point, as I've never had a >> particularly pleasant day at the park, despite Millie being my #1 steel. < > > It wasn't always that way for me. I think the turning point was when I > stopped trying to ride very ride in the park. I used to get really bummed > out if I couldn't get in every coaster at least once. And all I'd do is > give myself heat exhaustion trying. > > As I've gotten older and mellower, I recognize that, yes, there are rides I > want to experience, but it's not a matter of life and death. What's become > more important to me (and most of you have heard this before) is simply > soaking up the atmosphere. And the atmosphere at The Point, I think, is > unique. It's like a giant county fair, and I like that. > > Jay > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 12:12:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43883 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 19:12:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 19:12:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f186.google.com) (209.85.212.186) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 19:12:04 -0000 X-Received: by vwj16 with SMTP id 16so364268vwj.27 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:11:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.85.66 with SMTP id n2mr1676967vcl.5.1247166685627; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:11:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:11:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=h6iK44meYuXi0cXJrT71FrTIbv2bul0xvGX7oDtQl3HJbi0c34LHFh0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > American Profile magazine has an article about roller coasters: > From the article... "Through publicity and donations, ACE members have helped save, restore and relocate three endangered coasters. Successes include the restoration of the world's oldest wooden coaster, Leap-the-Dips, which opened in 1902 at Lakemont Park in Altoona, Pa., and relocation of the 1947 Rocket from a defunct park in San Antonio, Texas, to Knoebels Amusement Resort in Elysburg, Pa., where it was rechristened The Phoenix." Any idea what the third would be? Conneaut's Blue Streak perhaps? -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 12:59:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29810 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 19:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 19:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f196.google.com) (209.85.221.196) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 19:59:45 -0000 X-Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so404875qyk.21 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.15.194 with SMTP id l2mr371785iba.25.1247169525608; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:58:45 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907091258i7460e878r2942e7772fe2a54f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Hr8CINhalibqmpKRPwMSZm4-OQCGk9YS3szAcpzSSCQWPh0 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Im gonna say San Diego Giant Dipper. pretty coaster, nice setting, but kind of boring overall. Morgan even donated the train - based on what I remember reading in the museum. -mike On 7/9/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> American Profile magazine has an article about roller coasters: >> > > From the article... > "Through publicity and donations, ACE members have helped save, > restore and relocate three endangered coasters. Successes include the > restoration of the world's oldest wooden coaster, Leap-the-Dips, which > opened in 1902 at Lakemont Park in Altoona, Pa., and relocation of the > 1947 Rocket from a defunct park in San Antonio, Texas, to Knoebels > Amusement Resort in Elysburg, Pa., where it was rechristened The > Phoenix." > > Any idea what the third would be? Conneaut's Blue Streak perhaps? > > -Nate > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 13:11:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31895 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 20:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 20:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f172.google.com) (209.85.212.172) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:11:52 -0000 X-Received: by vwj2 with SMTP id 2so358584vwj.3 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:10:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.71.143 with SMTP id h15mr1732453vcj.51.1247170252295; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:10:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907091258i7460e878r2942e7772fe2a54f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0907091258i7460e878r2942e7772fe2a54f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:10:52 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=zlHrdLD131JvuAHWNihbdZrCzX2U4S8QI3pfgxkq7Pk_7OzpI3i5_c4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Im gonna say San Diego Giant Dipper. pretty coaster, nice setting, > but kind of boring overall. Morgan even donated the train - based on > what I remember reading in the museum. Was there some sort of effort on the part of ACE to save that ride? If there was, I don't remember it. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 13:16:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47768 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 20:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 20:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f176.google.com) (209.85.221.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:16:07 -0000 X-Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so463117qyk.11 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.33.4 with SMTP id f4mr386472ibd.8.1247170519800; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0907091258i7460e878r2942e7772fe2a54f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:15:19 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0907091315o2fe0c4bfl3ea4f584adbfcd4f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=9PH3o1DEWo6RfNFMiQhZqgnW43yNeq0L7fBWzZaoP2uVCHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think was actually decently involved in the San Diego Coaster. I can look at one of my books when I get home. Did they have anything to do with the Phoenix? I thought that was all Dick (he he). Adam > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 13:26:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95384 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 20:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 20:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:26:42 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so152220qwa.48 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:26:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.33.12 with SMTP id f12mr376638ibd.49.1247171197447; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:26:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0907091258i7460e878r2942e7772fe2a54f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:26:37 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907091326l624360k971ab68e96686b59@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=KJzrb4O1x-wcYp6ZZh5ffdyVXwLiaHLXGAnBY8BeREjRo44 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska The museum attached to the ride gives them a lot of credit for rebuilding and painting. I'm pretty sure they just scavenged the snack cart. On 7/9/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> Im gonna say San Diego Giant Dipper. pretty coaster, nice setting, >> but kind of boring overall. Morgan even donated the train - based on >> what I remember reading in the museum. > > Was there some sort of effort on the part of ACE to save that ride? > If there was, I don't remember it. > > -Nate > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 17:16:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22186 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 00:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 00:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f225.google.com) (209.85.217.225) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 00:16:29 -0000 X-Received: by gxk25 with SMTP id 25so849543gxk.22 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:15:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.36.68 with SMTP id s4mr444181ibd.47.1247184928989; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:15:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907091326l624360k971ab68e96686b59@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0907091258i7460e878r2942e7772fe2a54f@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0907091326l624360k971ab68e96686b59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0907091715j4437ef36q1704a72eb1d08198@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=ABniOA2O-YQNT7APNRAlFfGEi6vOEZiltUxXJBl-BdbtHIc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me turn up the ole nerd dial a little bit. Regarding the Giant Dipper, a book I have on it says, "In 1984, the members of ACE provided significant contributions towards the coaster's further restoration....In March of 1984, the members of ACE spent a weekend helping to renovate the coaster. This was but one of several "ACE workdays". In addition to its time and labor, the organization donated $3000 to the STCC [Save the Coaster Committee], marking the first time ACE had ever made such a contribution toward the preservation of a roller coaster." Some of the work they did included numbering supports and removing items from the structure for restoration. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Jul 09 19:45:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78851 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 02:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 02:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 02:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MP67E-0000N7-0i for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:45:36 -0400 Message-ID: <4A56AB50.7030605@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:45:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478a4a16d10a5c2876913f126a687991868f68644eadc29b5bd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=CWZuay-kchDGlgeX0mooeOTKf1X4EUYbRYYorFFbiNSmnxw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > >From the article... > "Through publicity and donations, ACE members have helped save, > restore and relocate three endangered coasters. > Any idea what the third would be? Conneaut's Blue Streak perhaps? > It's the Wildcat at Frontier City. There's actually signs all over the station there talking about the work ACE did in purchasing, helping to move, and save that coaster. Here's the photos I took when I visited a few years ago with some of the signs, though they may be a bit hard to read: > http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/180827_UKZWZ#6833252_nTNac-A-LB > http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/gallery/180827_UKZWZ#6833254_sGkR4 Most of those signs are of "landmark" coasters around the country, but they are ones that ACE put up when they were doing the rebuild. I've never understood though why ACE would play such a major role in a coaster then practically never talk about it again. Just seems really odd to me. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. 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--YCalReminder=DSHZiWLJ5PbnFlAVQzbJqnGbkhfGdSJ1247291440-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 16:01:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77495 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 23:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 23:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 23:01:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62430 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2009 23:01:40 -0000 Message-ID: <131186.59761.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QZW6EJEVM1lxl3RZaWMQdSutNfBeji_hCGcFc.pPD64vmcz.5YK78Km0XRhuEGBYT5yu0PZGRrDXj.LAIBItvAMxMcbV43uWBTxCD3iVp7yqvahSNKTCgLwiinuHYhkva3tLoOIIYijMS2qGADfbEfJ0wShYadq260xqrXOG19M_KhgxuihlCl6vIXQEAkwZBbR4ICy16ztzJ4_48wDNQXbu_fz.ORFxjb5Ikj3.yy.stAuDunoPJmtXyRs87UiH1AIpV2JY2EiiIVl8erMgM4pOPUP3 X-Received: from [72.70.250.234] by web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:01:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:01:40 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: TR: Lake Compounce, 7/10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=qvJe1AjH12_evjnZocjGeltyQELOw-uRqsiPuN9ikx-gzrDReslo X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On a beautiful Friday, July 10, Karen and I headed south to Lake Compounce.= =A0 It was hard to believe that we were so far into the summer and yet hadn= 't even redeemed our season passes for the park.=A0 We only had a few hours= that we could spend there, but we figured it was better than waiting for a= nother day. We arrived at the park about noon.=A0 The parking lot was nearly half-fille= d, and there were also several busses.=A0 The parking fee had gone up for t= he first time in over ten years, to $7.=A0 However, season pass holders cou= ld knock a dollar off that price, so that was a nice gesture.=A0 We brought= a bag with us to hold a towel and sandals in case we went on some water ri= des (particularly the rapids ride).=A0 There was a fairly long line at the = tunnel entrance, where security checkpoints had been set up.=A0 We allowed = them to inspect our bag and then we went to get our passes processed.=A0 Ka= ren's took about a minute.=A0 After they took my picture, their pass printe= r jammed up.=A0 That'll teach them for taking my photograph.=A0 Eventually = they got it working again and armed with out passes we entered the gates. Not much was different at the park this year.=A0 The entrance was still col= orful.=A0 We walked over to the lockers.=A0 They were charging $8 for a key= , so we decided to simply carry our bag with us.=A0 We walked back toward t= he Potato Patch.=A0 As we passed the row of games, I noticed something unus= ual -- stuffed animals with the Lake Compounce logo on them.=A0 That was a = refreshing change from the generic South Park and Homer Simpson dolls most = other parks had. Karen and Ieach got an order of fries (Karen, plain; mine with cheese).=A0 = They were fresh and hot.=A0 We sat down on a shaded bench with them and our= free drinks.=A0 Kiddieland was buzzing with activity.=A0 A stage show was = going on, a strange piece of entertainment about the importance of recyclin= g.=A0 As noble as the intention might have been, the performers almost seem= ed to be mocking the script.=A0 It didn't help that throughout the park the= re were can and bottle recycling bins -- even though the park didn't sell c= ans or bottles. We finished our delicious snacks and walked through the kiddieland area.=A0= There was a new kiddie pirate ship there.=A0 The entire area was very fest= ive.=A0 We then circled up toward the Parkside Diner.=A0 Performers were on= the midway dressed in 1950s waiter/waitress attire singing songs from the = 1960s and '70s.=A0 It was the type of park revue we've seen so often with a= geeky boy, a ditzy blond and a spunky brunette, smacking gum the whole tim= e. We continued circling around.=A0 The flume had a really long line, so we pa= ssed on that.=A0 Thunder and Lightning, the Screaming Swing, was operating = only one side.=A0 The Ferris wheel didn't have a line, so we queued up.=A0 = The attendants seemed pretty much uninterested in the guests.=A0 The operat= or was repeatedly blowing the station and having to back the ride up to loa= d and unload guests.=A0 We had a nice ride, though, peacefully circling aro= und as Boulder Dash blasted by just below us. After that, we headed across the midway for Ghost Hunt, which surprisingly = had very few people in line.=A0 We rode in the back seat of one of the cars= ; two boys were in the front.=A0 The ride was enjoyable and I was surprised= to see new stunts.=A0 The park seems to change this ride on a yearly basis= .=A0 I miss going out over the midway, but the new gag with mirrors and las= ers is a nice substitute. Next up was Boulder Dash.=A0 We lined up for the front seat (of course).=A0= Within ten minutes, we had about two trains to go.=A0 The chatty ride oper= ator was dispatching the station train before the second train had reached = the brake run.=A0 Something happened and he was no longer able to dispatch.= =A0 The incoming train stopped out on the brake run.=A0 It took about five = minutes to get a maintenance guy.=A0 He picked something off of the station= track and gave it to the operator, then all was working smoothly again. It was nice to see grease on the track.=A0 The lift hill was so deceptively= short.=A0 We got to the top, turned the corner and then plunged down the f= irst drop.=A0 We had a surprising amount of speed.=A0 The train had a bit o= f vibration, but it wasn't rough.=A0 We flew through the course at an incre= dible rate, especially considering it was early in the day.=A0 At the turna= round, I thought we were going to fly right off the track.=A0 The run back = to the station was intense, with non-stop airtime and that spectacular trip= le-up finale.=A0 We hit the brakes breathless.=A0 Boulder Dash was still on= e of the most amazing wooden coasters on the planet. We stopped off at the photo booth and picked up a silly picture of ourselve= s.=A0 Then Karen wanted to stop in the nearby gift shop.=A0 We had already = bought most of the souvenirs there.=A0 So we moved down to the Carousel Caf= e, where for the past few years the park was serving really good veggie bur= gers.=A0 On the way, Karen noticed another new ride, a Chance WipeOut sandw= iched between the bumper cars and the bathrooms.=A0 It replaced the old Mus= ic Express.=A0 What was nice about the WipeOut was that its scenery was a p= anorama of the park.=A0 I really liked those unique touches. When we got to the Carousel Cafe, veggie burgers unfortunately were no long= er on the menu.=A0 I asked one of the employees, but that food item was dis= continued.=A0 So we moved on.=A0 Next door, the carousel band organ was pla= ying "Yellow Polka Dot Bikini."=A0 To the left, the water park was doing a = booming business.=A0 We followed the path alongside Boulder Dash over to th= at back end of the park.=A0 Along the way, we saw a new boat heading out on= the lake.=A0 The Mark Twain paddlewheeler was gone.=A0 Instead there was a= smaller gas-powered aluminum boat.=A0 =A0 I noticed as we walked that the = new trackwork on Boulder Dash looked impeccable, with tight laminations.=A0= That was a contrast to the original CCI trackwork that was riddled with ga= ps in the laminations. We were thinking about going on the Thunder Rapids, but it was getting late= and we'd never dry off by the time we got back to the car.=A0 So instead w= e walked over to the great Sky Ride, a half-hour of nail-biting acrophobia.= =A0 It was a perfect day for it with a viewing distance of perhaps 50 miles= .=A0 Usually we were surrounded by turkey buzzards gliding in the breeze.= =A0 But today for some reason there were none. After the perilous ride down the mountain, we walked back to the main midwa= y.=A0 We had a few choice for dining: a salad, macaroni and cheese in the C= rok Pot or a bean-and-cheese burrito at La Fiesta.=A0 We opted for the last= , since we had never been there.=A0 For $3.79, the burrito was huge, heaped= with salsa, lettuce and tomatoes.=A0 It was quite tasty, and we washed it = down with more free drinks. When we finished eating, it was time to leave.=A0 I stopped off at the Main= Scoop.=A0 I don't know what it is about the soft serve at Lake Compounce.= =A0 It's really thick and creamy, my favorite soft ice cream.=A0 Then we he= aded back to our car.=A0 The parking lot had filled up some more, and peopl= e were still coming in. I was glad we got season passes again this year.=A0 We have a good time, an= d with the passes we don't feel rushed.=A0 There was plenty more that we wo= uld have done if we had more time.=A0 But there was still the rest of the s= ummer.=A0 We would be seeing a lot more of this wonderful park. Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 16:06:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5893 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 23:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 23:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 23:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2009 23:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2009 23:05:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:05:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907090527y1f5ee398oa69c71d6c19a9d6d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.250.234 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: Cedar Point and Put-in-Bay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Kq1BRDaU8MtLTQQQRZjnqvesC2_qFuql5pnvjGMkFXQZJ77ZBO9H X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > But the real question is, what did you think of the boyfriend? ;) < LOL! He's actually a great guy, very droll and a coaster/park enthusiast. = We had met him last fall when he and our daughter visited us for a week. = He's got an amazing collection of park memorabilia, including one of the Ke= nnywood arrows. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 16:08:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7783 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 23:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 23:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 23:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2009 23:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2009 23:07:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:07:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.250.234 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=dvwEvDyEUeK7t6nsQcbRdq4WDxJaOP-2mQZpQHetyG-LJksZ6PaP X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Any idea what the third would be? Conneaut's Blue Streak perhaps? < I think they along with the WNYCC helped Charlie Wood reconstruct the Comet= at the Great Escape. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 16:10:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14700 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 23:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 23:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 23:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2009 23:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2009 23:10:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:10:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A56AB50.7030605@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.250.234 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Coaster Crazy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=L82tGD_8fI89S1mJ7t-fcmyWZta2VKLG9EDylD0ma4lK1pzspTt1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It's the Wildcat at Frontier City. There's actually signs all over the s= tation there talking about the work ACE did < Good call, George. I didn't even think of that one. I have the Rollercoas= ter! magazine featuring the Wildcat restoration, but I can't remember ACE t= ooting its own horn. Jay From jjloj@netzero.net Sun Jul 12 21:12:05 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3921 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 04:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2009 04:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 04:12:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1247458283; bh=LKajyYWgCuo94zW1kbfEAoIMm8wiCqVRPgV5x1Sm+to=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=Dd2DIeXjO0VbacdiomSsvlo43r7meaAT5LA8cexlGFpXkk9hK44seHJht33WkxRblB7/y0p+GhaF1F0asqoBzEN2fiQMuIES9V5poTKcvCdJkazENhlvibOElT+mcsGw Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 04:11:23 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 04:11:23 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 04:11:23 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13899 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 00:26:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2009 00:26:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 00:26:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 00:26:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 00:26:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:26:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.97.34.166 From: "Jon Osborn" Subject: For those who are interested. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=VRDU0SXa1sOrq2yBV_kU9iC3xzuN_jBKxivAydfdR0A X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=none; X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 13 Jul 2009 04:11:21 -0000 Here is a fun chart I came up with this weekend. Remember they are the "best" results for each coaster so they are probably = outliers. http://web.me.com/jlosborn/Coasternaut_Welcome/Comparison_Page.html From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Jul 14 17:24:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13105 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 00:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 00:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 00:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 00:23:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 00:23:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:23:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.199.58 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: For those who are interested. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=6QwJnRMGyzneIfDOv7TIWR6dt9AEVYl4nG71H1eJYorgj4ttrhyC X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Here is a fun chart I came up with this weekend. < I think I'd like Diamondback a lot! Jay From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Jul 15 07:20:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87368 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 14:20:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 14:20:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 14:19:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 14:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 14:19:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:19:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: NYNY Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=kGaevNVd5M60dQth2gYWbaGXK9EFHcbks6ms6AbwJGO0yr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I was in Vegas for work (for 26 hours, yay). I was up on the Coaster at NY= NY yesterday morning, but only took a few pics with my phone because my cam= era has been finicky lately. Anyway, they are up at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/album/1370300280/pic= /list Not that you want to, but please don't put these up anywhere else. Adam From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Jul 15 21:52:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97263 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 04:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 04:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 04:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 04:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 04:51:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:51:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.181.154 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NYNY Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=casTHa_7g-FZTjWEoX2A3lDXExtG_TfkZREo-FkyALF8mEyNSA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wr= ote: > > I was in Vegas for work (for 26 hours, yay). I was up on the Coaster at = NYNY yesterday morning, but only took a few pics with my phone because my c= amera has been finicky lately. Anyway, they are up at: >=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/album/1370300280/p= ic/list >=20 > Not that you want to, but please don't put these up anywhere else. >=20 > Adam When I was there a couple months ago, I asked about the oddness surrounding= the coaster's name, and was told that it is still Manhattan Express, and t= hat the relationship between the ride's owner/operator and the casino/hotel= is strained, at best. Also, the gift shop isn't owned or operated by the h= otel, OR the coaster, which explains why there is virtually no branded merc= handise for either.=20 Can you comment, Adam? I understand if you can't, though.=20 Chris From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Jul 15 22:02:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2100 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 05:02:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 05:02:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.249) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 05:02:32 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so2088828ana.31 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:01:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.67 with SMTP id f3mr2155913iba.36.1247720492690; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:01:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:01:32 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907152201q347913dyf2c9cb9701e07bcd@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NYNY Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=rrsSuC6cng8JlSh-AcJdF15jQ5r_gJBs59CKyi-5USAtosw X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska N On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Chris wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" > wrote: >> >> I was in Vegas for work (for 26 hours, yay). I was up on the Coaster at >> NYNY yesterday morning, but only took a few pics with my phone because m= y >> camera has been finicky lately. Anyway, they are up at: >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/album/1370300280/= pic/list >> >> Not that you want to, but please don't put these up anywhere else. >> >> Adam > > When I was there a couple months ago, I asked about the oddness surroundi= ng > the coaster's name, and was told that it is still Manhattan Express, and > that the relationship between the ride's owner/operator and the casino/ho= tel > is strained, at best. Also, the gift shop isn't owned or operated by the > hotel, OR the coaster, which explains why there is virtually no branded > merchandise for either. > > Can you comment, Adam? I understand if you can't, though. > > Chris > >=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Jul 15 22:07:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24709 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 05:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 05:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 05:07:32 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2128162and.14 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:06:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.32.141 with SMTP id c13mr2197035ibd.31.1247720792339; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:06:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907152201q347913dyf2c9cb9701e07bcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0907152201q347913dyf2c9cb9701e07bcd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:06:32 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907152206x6255c52bt420f82d145aac418@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NYNY Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=asOw9aLzSwwiYydSR3j7gbocwybUp4ZKjEtdQLRhihypEGU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Sorry, nice photos Adam. How was the ride? I've head it wasn't that good, but I was one of the odd few who enjoyed Viper at SFGrAdv, so I'm interested to ride it myself (were I to actually make it to vegas...speed would be first on the list though). How's that for a run-on sentence! -Mike On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Michael Cowan wrote: > N > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Chris wrote: >> >> >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" >> wrote: >>> >>> I was in Vegas for work (for 26 hours, yay). I was up on the Coaster at >>> NYNY yesterday morning, but only took a few pics with my phone because = my >>> camera has been finicky lately. Anyway, they are up at: >>> >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/album/1370300280= /pic/list >>> >>> Not that you want to, but please don't put these up anywhere else. >>> >>> Adam >> >> When I was there a couple months ago, I asked about the oddness surround= ing >> the coaster's name, and was told that it is still Manhattan Express, and >> that the relationship between the ride's owner/operator and the casino/h= otel >> is strained, at best. Also, the gift shop isn't owned or operated by the >> hotel, OR the coaster, which explains why there is virtually no branded >> merchandise for either. >> >> Can you comment, Adam? I understand if you can't, though. >> >> Chris >> >>=20 > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Jul 16 08:50:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31906 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 15:49:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 15:49:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f193.google.com) (209.85.221.193) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 15:49:18 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 31so170720qyk.30 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:49:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.14.129 with SMTP id g1mr2359395iba.16.1247759357904; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:49:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907152206x6255c52bt420f82d145aac418@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0907152201q347913dyf2c9cb9701e07bcd@mail.gmail.com> <6ab4641f0907152206x6255c52bt420f82d145aac418@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:49:14 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0907160849t7ca8d29erd39857cebe4dd669@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NYNY Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=dtmteo2mfTlqBKFq-Mzc4wZxRhfMXDDdXWh5gt8unRrrqyk X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "When I was there a couple months ago, I asked about the oddness surrounding the coaster's name, and was told that it is still Manhattan Express, and that the relationship between the ride's owner/operator and the casino/hotel is strained, at best. Also, the gift shop isn't owned or operated by the hotel, OR the coaster, which explains why there is virtually no branded merchandise for either." The ride is owned and operated by the casino, so I don't know where that came from, I can't speak for the gift shop. I do know down the street at Sahara they were going to take Speed out because they don't love it, but the economy crushed their plans and the ride is staying for the time being. "Sorry, nice photos Adam. How was the ride? I've head it wasn't that good, but I was one of the odd few who enjoyed Viper at SFGrAdv, so I'm interested to ride it myself (were I to actually make it to vegas...speed would be first on the list though)." I actually did not go on it this time as I was never around the ride when it was running. The last time I went on it the first drop and inversions weren't bad, the rest was not great. However, it does get a little each year due to the amount the casino puts back in the ride. The are constantly doing work like track replacements, replacing or removing TOGO's structural work, new trains (although they are Premier trains so they will probably fall apart soon). They have paid for that ride many times over, so even with the way it runs you can't say it was a bad investment (especially since they paid relatively so little for it). The ride really is a unique beast due to the significant expansion and contraction of the steel due to the temperature swings. Also, having half the ride on foundations and half on a base frame is pretty crazy also. It is a ride that most places would be a failure, but in Vegas it is a resounding success. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Jul 16 11:39:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28663 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 18:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 18:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f179.google.com) (209.85.221.179) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 18:39:36 -0000 X-Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so326479qyk.21 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:38:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.11.130 with SMTP id t2mr21288ibt.51.1247769516443; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907161138i6a9fce3er66f0cd932e699472@mail.gmail.com> To: rollercoastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Finally got around to Bizarro (a review of 7/15 @SFNE) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=LkVx7hIySBRGNFKtINUW2SWl_EnIvaHN0m2hNkCRDUCkU8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I ended my work day in the Hartford area yesterday, and despite needing to put my washing machine back together and finishing the grout on the tile floor I installed; I decided to swing out to SFNE to finally try out Bizzaro. I got into the park around 6 or so, found a decent parking spot (still about a mile away from the park), and headed straight through to Bizzaro. The park crowd was reasonably light for one of the first beautiful days we've had around these parts. Aside from Bizzaro, and more advertisements (a lot of which held the text Your Ad Here!) there weren't any noticable differences to the park. Mind Eraser may have got a new paintjob, and they finally tore down the just-too-sexy sign for twisted ivy, but those may have happened last year. On to Bizzaro. I actually felt almost exactly how I thought I would about the ride, but my emotions were more pronounced than I had expected. Overall, I'm very dissapointed and wish they had left it alone. The detractions were way worse tha I had expected. However, the positives were much more impressive at the same time. Lets start in the queue: the new theming is lame, and they've added flat screen tvs that play comercials and american idol on a 25 minute loop. What the hell. Does anyone remeber looney toons in the lines back in the old days? I found this offensive. It wasn't so bad the first time through, because I spent the line reading news on my phone...but the second time, with the phone now dead, it was terrible. The cutouts were crude and looked like they were trying too hard to look like comic books without actually 'getting' comic books. The lightning screen/news report I found cheesy, but the crowd enjoyed it so I'll call it a success. The grafiti and stuff was stupid looking, and felt like the whole thing was done by a 13 year old myspace user. A big complaint from a lot of people was the proximity of the flame throwers to the line. It was hot out, and those flames were unrelenting. They looked great until you were stuck standing 25 feet away for a half hour. And they didn't add crap to the ride experience. On to the trains. I am very, very happy that they got rid of the shackles on your ankles. The new lap bars were a lot more comfortable than the last iterance, but of course not as good as the original T bars. But screw those science-damned headrests! This ride used to have an amazing feeling of freedom, but it's all gone now. The view from any seat aside from the front felt 50% more constricted. I closed the restraint and was happy, then looked up and was pissed. Then the ride started to move, and the sound turned on. What the hell were the thinking? There's no story, not theme, and for the most part it's not synchronized with the ride. It's not even music, It just screams various 5 second recognizable sound bits from movies and crap. I remember hearing blues brothers followed by will farrel. what the f'ing crap. It did not add a damn thing to the ride, but did a great job of distracting me from enjoying myself. It was also a huge help to the headache I had on my second ride. It stopped me from talking to the random guy sittng next to me (which may have been a good thing, but if I wasnt there alone it would have sucked). And then when you get to the brakes it's just BLARRING. I think it wanted us to start chanting, but I didn't see that happen all day. Terrible audio aside (if you are somehow able to do that) , the other additions were actually quite enjoyable. The new facade on the tunnel is dumb looking, but really enhances the feeling that the train isn't going to fit. The ugly buildings after the turn around add alot to a previously dull section of the ride. And you're going too fast through both of those elements to tell how ugly they really are. The new mist tunnel with the empty superman symbols is cool, especially at night. The flame throwers dont add a damn thingto the back 1/2 of the train since it's long gone by the time you pass, and in the front it's basically just "oohhh fiiiire". Doesn't add any excitement, but it sure looks like it does from off the ride. I took two rides, one right when I got there and a second before I left. The night ridewas a lot cooler looking, but the park closed within 20 minutes of darkness setting in. The only reason I got a real night ride was because SF drasticallly favors the fast pass line. There were 15 minuter periods of standing still, even though the crew was doing a great job at sending trains out (best I've seen since the restraints were changed). Overall, I'm not happy. They took an amazing ride, slapped some crappy looking effects on it, and tried to market it as a new coaster. It wasn't even a successful trick they played on the public, since most people I know in CT became aware that it wasnt actually a brand new coaster (as the add campaign implied) before the ride opened. I didn't see anyone seem to enjoy the coaster significantly more than people as a wole did before. To me it's nothing but a waste of money by a failing chain. As for the rest of my day, I grabbed a doubleride on Batman, which is very enjoyable although short. I crossed the park and hoppedon catapult, which really doesnt do anything for me. The line for cyone was way too long, and the trains were coming out every 7 minutes give or take, so I passed. I got a ride on Pandamonium which is really fun, my night ride on Bizzaro, and that's it. It was a nice break from the constant work of a new house. I'm glad I went, and I had a good time overall. I think I'm past the point where I can really enjoy going to parks alone, which was an odd realization. I might feel different aout a new-to-me park, but it just didn't seem like it used to. Also, the whole park really smacked of money gouging desperation. I didn't spend a dime there, and there werent many lines for consessions or games. The place was clean and the landscaping was nice, but this park did with advertisements what cedar point does with trash cans. It was garish and unsightly, and drastically took away from that magical atmosphere the park used to have even in the early SF days. Now the only atmosphere is one of being held upside down and shaken, so the loose change slips from your pocket. Thanks for reading, if you made it through this whole thing. -mike From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 18:26:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15091 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 01:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 01:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 01:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 01:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 01:25:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:25:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.241.191 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NYNY Pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=q6DoYCFG8ZTE9LI2p3hp3BM81mD__XJgnVGfiYyDiNaUSpQkjZ-l X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I was up on the Coaster at NYNY yesterday morning < How was the ride? 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--YCalReminder=fenAp7hSi8hAOd5OjxbcAPCCPidtsLE1247809817-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 15:55:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37280 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 22:55:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 22:55:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 22:55:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 22:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 22:55:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:55:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907161138i6a9fce3er66f0cd932e699472@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.241.191 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Finally got around to Bizarro (a review of 7/15 @SFNE) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=bYT6EL-A4zeUtZWajOjxU-K15pCDeCEL5Cgyxxl3GGQuCI1o3JLR X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Nice trip report, Mike. I haven't gotten up the courage (or the desperatio= n) to go to SFNE this season. I was so fearful of what the park did to the= best ride on the planet. Your report confirms my fears. Thankfully, Karen and I got passes for The Lake instead. :-) Jay From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Jul 17 17:13:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52159 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 00:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 00:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f197.google.com) (209.85.210.197) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 00:12:54 -0000 X-Received: by yxe35 with SMTP id 35so2000431yxe.12 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.100.178.9 with SMTP id a9mr2419161anf.11.1247875914659; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0907161138i6a9fce3er66f0cd932e699472@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:11:54 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907171711k3131ba6qf514839f496f4cb@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Finally got around to Bizarro (a review of 7/15 @SFNE) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=dC8yjhQPzoI4QVVFXKsSkgZHGMkZvmWKohQ3KsZqoRmaGLg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Smart move, I should do that next year...its just so hard to pass up the 30 dollar season pass deal every december. Either way, dissapointing as the ride was it was still nice to get some non-quassy coaster rides in. On 7/17/09, jay_ducharme wrote: > Nice trip report, Mike. I haven't gotten up the courage (or the > desperation) to go to SFNE this season. I was so fearful of what the park > did to the best ride on the planet. Your report confirms my fears. > > Thankfully, Karen and I got passes for The Lake instead. :-) > > Jay > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 17:15:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50037 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 00:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2009 00:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 00:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2009 00:15:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2009 00:15:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:15:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907171711k3131ba6qf514839f496f4cb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.238.169 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Finally got around to Bizarro (a review of 7/15 @SFNE) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VudL6cGDMLt5p0nJTjdStAqZN7P0W84Z5d-RFPJQkyaKbvRrTgYt X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Either way, dissapointing as the ride was it was still nice to get some n= on-quassy coaster rides in. < There are coasters at Quassy? :-) Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 18:59:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79498 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 01:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 01:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 01:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 01:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 01:58:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:58:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.238.169 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Kingda killer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=PKLTQmilGh6kWnOYbWmCd4rVFxkK3IbUM0o0lx6-tv_FZKsfyX2k X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I don't think Intamin can top this: Jay From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 07:31:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85114 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 14:31:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 14:31:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 14:31:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49392 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2009 14:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: <677278.48387.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eHKCQ2cVM1lBE9DOwF38S6guDt6OYt6DIydPNF59YXk1BKC8.IUxNBn137LWODNObhhzm3uZXVqW4840NUO3RDPCjPBRIpIcCmi6UKEiez5BKqO0R.ZQ_keTGCbPmCYlAGas0NNYzhiy5K4eqCZs7ANEjkcMO_y_CNm3_L7I.ONt4xm5TDLjw.hYI1xpC86NgoyaLkkMZe0t3tNx938Z8H8UF6o6QHE.0tIpvvgWF6XkvySmP4ZxePQ1fWUqfVqwu.YiM1ykmdwKs8bHelGh96gBv0fLMS9EPVERUj7q02BQkhOTIFsyu2YkmuCuwqi_9xqSr6XnkfbeGjiieIsXHmfz X-Received: from [75.185.147.230] by web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:31:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Kingda killer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=IhOim6_erGwSqD2nfjah1i-Q17LK7JWy7G-cdvdP4q3vtFMIsCITlYb9Cx2bBQmB X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That looks like serious fun.=A0=20 --- On Mon, 7/20/09, jay_ducharme wrote: From: jay_ducharme Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Kingda killer To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 9:58 PM =A0=20 I don't think Intamin can top this: Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenziecollin@yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 18:07:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kenziecollin@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65714 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 01:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2009 01:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.106.67) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2009 01:07:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94471 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2009 01:07:10 -0000 Message-ID: <47860.94095.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: s6.V2IQVM1ltTyS98zhPw71N_BKB5DRILpZMGweZDtm1PSXS7En48RzQ7WwTqHiJrgUorN2S2go40__mr7HONo8YehLirxP2g0tni3X3J7v9V5dIWNDN.LoVLdQSzXFZMjKnJHkvRvCcOwjoT.HkR2F8yp3Z95LB3Nw.IOpXljdNVjzdoC_wQQ4useR75rAFcZkjfSfWDsQPVbeUlwzP8AU2dYHpEiOf3ASPqcTCosD5ZGmcF.6uZCq8polyQ1VCeVX8x_UoBbty6Oc783WBCF92ct4puBcDAtE- X-Received: from [24.181.68.0] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:07:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:07:09 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.106.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: william rushton Subject: six flags over ga X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=407923538; y=zewbFTxYn_jqkVBLAU1F8FlDYnVlk96CUzA3m5Qj5fLJt_NN5vO0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kenziecollin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what could they do? to make it better [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Mon Jul 27 19:28:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11902 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 02:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2009 02:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f178.google.com) (209.85.211.178) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2009 02:28:14 -0000 X-Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so944946ywh.24 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:28:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.34.75 with SMTP id k11mr2384844ibd.53.1248748084258; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:28:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47860.94095.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <47860.94095.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:28:04 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0907271928y71a35fear2ca06b8927965fae@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] six flags over ga X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=OeoiiV5Zj1rN4HTS2l2x6GOIxPPUNbIugAXJ1bqnxhbiXG8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska install more?? rainbows and unicorns On 7/27/09, william rushton wrote: > what could they do? to make it better > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From josh.wozny@gmail.com Mon Jul 27 20:02:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8561 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2009 03:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2009 03:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f179.google.com) (209.85.221.179) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2009 03:02:18 -0000 X-Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so5106702qyk.2 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:01:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.37.6 with SMTP id v6mr6832055qad.41.1248750075913; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:01:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0907271928y71a35fear2ca06b8927965fae@mail.gmail.com> References: <47860.94095.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6ab4641f0907271928y71a35fear2ca06b8927965fae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:01:15 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0907272001s1b5064c3n634f428c0384176d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] six flags over ga X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=GNK1lbbq-XBJCECAJ59ehixMIDYERsqB0hSvbq-Kd4T-RJtmAA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Maybe, go to big rock candy mountain? 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Play Muck Sticky exclusively over their PA system... From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Aug 01 11:52:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80733 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2009 18:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2009 18:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2009 18:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2009 18:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2009 18:52:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:52:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.171.240.240 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Disneyworld raising prices...again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=oF0imLky11v3Ohz7RZpuUGQRJP1TtaCCwVhcHlegM3xiRAT3vmMIAAzAWg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 Ticket prices to increase at Walt Disney World=20 Friday, July 31, 2009=20 By The Associated Press LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. 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--YCalReminder=nd1AIsvgvzHWwwHOp4uuwMH1249278653-1-- From citymoose5@yahoo.com Mon Aug 03 05:14:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: citymoose5@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81368 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2009 12:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2009 12:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2009 12:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2009 12:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2009 12:13:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:13:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 198.7.132.21 From: "citymoose5" Subject: Hershey Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=371994184; y=A8NoSK1v8OxM5RF-uUfEaaCkNvdbf_hVYywQXUPwBW6LpNMIHw X-Yahoo-Profile: citymoose5 I am planning a trip to Hershey Park later this month. Anyone out there wi= th recommendations regarding which day of the week would be best or a plan = of attack to hit the rides? I am taking my 9-year old daughter who is now = tall enough to ride the coasters so it's a Dad and daughter day - can't wai= t! But want to make the most of the day for her and it's been a while sinc= e I've been to Hershey. Thanks! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mon Aug 03 22:51:54 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81543 invoked by uid 7800); 4 Aug 2009 05:51:51 -0000 Date: 4 Aug 2009 05:51:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1249365111.8.81542.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=ifz8ywFeDCGKUim4LzONev3ksAW1249365060-1" --YCalReminder=ifz8ywFeDCGKUim4LzONev3ksAW1249365060-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Six Flags Over Texas opened Tuesday August 4, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Arlington, Texas Notes: On this date in 1961, the original Six Flags park "Six Flags Over Texas" opened its gates. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=ifz8ywFeDCGKUim4LzONev3ksAW1249365060-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=ifz8ywFeDCGKUim4LzONev3ksAW1249365060-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 04 07:44:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63346 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 14:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 14:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 14:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2009 14:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2009 14:44:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:44:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Hershey Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=5HiME4ffxD895IyvsivUSU14io8WoMcd2Wth__1Y_SJacXXbWT-g X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "citymoose5" wro= te: > > I am planning a trip to Hershey Park later this month. Anyone out there = with recommendations regarding which day of the week would be best or a pla= n of attack to hit the rides? I am taking my 9-year old daughter who is no= w tall enough to ride the coasters so it's a Dad and daughter day - can't w= ait! But want to make the most of the day for her and it's been a while si= nce I've been to Hershey. >=20 > Thanks! Whatever you do, no matter how hot it is, resist the urge to run to the wat= erpark first thing. When we went 2 yrs ago, we did just that. It was a ni= ghtmare. There was a line just to get in, and it was so crowded we barely = got to do anything.=20=20 Although the rest of the park was not too crowded, this early mistake ruine= d a good part of the day for us. We were in a horrible mood and it was har= d to get happy again. Luckily, when visiting with a then 5 year old, it's = easier to get back in a good mood when he's riding his first ever looping c= oaster, and other rides he's not tall enough for at Cedar Point. I did not get to ride Storm Runner, as the line was too long. But you will= enjoy HP. It's a great place. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 04 15:44:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35987 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 22:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 22:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 22:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2009 22:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2009 22:43:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:43:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.201.185 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: The Return of Mountain Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=vt6saY042qKFzs_Cgz7cL0KHRZnJX90zt_1wG9bnuP4M9iFwRsJS X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme It appears official now. The park is re-opening just as it was in 1894, as = a picnic grove with entertainment: http://iheg.com/mountain_park_main.asp Jay From Cyclonic07@aol.com Tue Aug 04 17:21:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69426 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 00:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 00:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 00:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n750L5hL014046 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:21:06 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c12.5d1dbb2c (37576) for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:21:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB051-92c84a78d06e10b; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:21:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4A78D0A8.6070906@aol.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:22:00 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The Return of Mountain Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=QFxkL-6wmu0AsLnO47NXT3gV4QvLrrl71VBQ2pxVDKp4nu7v-A X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo jay_ducharme wrote: > It appears official now. The park is re-opening just as it was in 1894, as a picnic grove with entertainment: > > http://iheg.com/mountain_park_main.asp > > Jay > > Very interesting how things tend to come full circle. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Aug 05 09:29:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63309 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 16:29:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 16:29:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 16:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-24-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.24.241]:44208 helo=[10.0.1.198]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MYjLg-0005In-WF for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:28:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9D2AB8F6-8952-4B96-A8A0-6C4EE9FA65FC@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:28:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: TR: Funtown and Canobie Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=UIFP8E9zsqqLqGbi5mC0Zrdidu1hUU9mb_JltAcs2MT1nAV_qcUF1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam The kids and I went camping up in Maine (just outside Kennebunkport, near Goose Rocks Beach, which is fabulous, btw) Saturday through Tuesday. On Monday, we went up to Funtown; yesterday, we went to Canobie on the way home. It sure is more fun now that both kids are 48 inches tall! Funtown: We went there a couple of years ago, when Liam was shorter and we had more people (my wife, cousin, cousin's partner) and had a good time, but sort of limited given the crowds and Liam's height. But this year there were minimal lines -- Splashtown looked packed, but Funtown was walkons on almost everything -- and just the three of us focused on rides, rides, rides. Excalibur continues to be a really fun little ride, with some rough spots and a dull little part in the middle, but smoother towards the front. The kids, having ridden Voyage earlier this year, weren't intimidated but had a lot of fun holding their hands up, etc. The new Wild Mouse (replacing a fun Galaxi) is what it is; kids didn't like it much so we didn't re-ride that. Also did the free-for-all bumper cars, various flats, antique cars, the log flume, and the carousel, which has a cool old organ that seemed to be malfunctioning, since it sounded like the demon spawn of Tom Waits and John Cage. (You can hear it at http://sparetherock.com/funtown.html.) Canobie: Embarrassed to admit that this is my first time, even though it's only about two hours from our house. Even though it was packed and lines were longer (longest wait was probably 40 minutes for the Cannonball) we had a great time. First ride on the Cannonball was in the far back and it was a little disappointing -- rough -- but we got a front-ride seat towards the end of the day and I now understand the love. The kids were psyched to get to ride the Corkscrew (first inversion coaster) but were a little underwhelmed by it. Lots of flats (some with me, some without), the Skater (first one for me - fun), train, the log flume, and, again, the carousel, which had a more traditional organ. Had a nice mid-afternoon lunch at the lakeside pizza/Italian place. (It is a family tradition to end with the carousel. My dad told me years after the tradition was established that they did that to calm us down and because our little hometown park, Kiddie Park in Bartlesville, Oklahoma, had the carousel right next to the exit.) Operations at both parks were fine. Canobie certainly had the friendlier and more enthusiastic employees, but everyone seemed to be working reasonably efficiently. Bummer that they don't do two trains on the Yankee Cannonball, but I guess unless they change the braking system they won't be. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 05 16:11:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70658 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 23:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 23:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 23:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2009 23:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2009 23:10:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:10:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.5.155 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: More on Mt. Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=egiQHPqGaqVJdzqmvaqgmu5DNdovEIJad4qFOSj0Alp-QIqGmxeW X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Here's an article that appeared in today's local paper. There's a rare pic= ture of Eric Suher and the current desolation that is the park. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 05 18:07:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30611 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 01:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 01:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 01:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 01:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 01:06:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:06:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0908011717h648f9ab6v67f55b7c7fe871e3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.5.155 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Congrats to Lance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=w4gio1nIouyaG1JFvkpyy88lQFqPQ9-3weehpRE2nT2U5RjWpPvA X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Just checked the update over at screamscape and wanted to say congrats to= lance for the new baby. < Now the *real* Screamscape begins! Congrats, Lance (and wife). Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Aug 05 18:11:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44697 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 01:11:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 01:11:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 01:11:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 01:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 01:11:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:11:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.5.155 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Hershey Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Y8OlbbDg6ISjAjU4qIPDXFPzF0Q1MIYc4FlOh8BDIC3JoTQq2X8p X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > which day of the week would be best or a plan of attack to hit the rides?= < There's enough to do at Hersheypark, I wouldn't sweat too much about a plan= of attack. Hit the back of the park early -- Lightning Racer, Wildcat, th= e Mouse. If things get crowded, see a show, or go to Zoo America or Chocol= ate World. In all the times I've been there, I've never had to wait that l= ong for any of the rides except Tidal Force. Jay From lance@screamscape.com Wed Aug 05 19:06:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84021 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 02:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 02:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO sb67.inmotionhosting.com) (205.134.238.49) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 02:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by sb67.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYsM4-0005jS-4F for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:05:20 -0700 Message-ID: <4868A2494B294AEBA5F462331BE24B64@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:05:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sb67.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Originating-IP: 205.134.238.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Congrats to Lance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=RTHAFEexbupa8LaV08rzFXH44cPvmPJ5AxKk2Lm9FZN2SiS2SbeofIxWOA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Thanks... I've been very busy this week as you can expect. News updates at Screamscape are way way behind, but that's to be expected. All sorts of crazy times between the new baby, work, family, etc... Everyone is doing well though... ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay_ducharme" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Congrats to Lance > Just checked the update over at screamscape and wanted to say congrats to > lance for the new baby. < Now the *real* Screamscape begins! Congrats, Lance (and wife). Jay From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Aug 05 19:54:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3851 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 02:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 02:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 02:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-24-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.24.241]:42200 helo=[10.0.1.198]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MYt6w-0002U2-8u for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:53:46 -0400 Message-Id: <789A40F2-D4D5-460F-8718-6136A09C1DA4@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:53:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: More on Mt. Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=6PvBDVG0jDf1lxhqOyNMku0ppYkygM4vGbd7dHiZdZn-btrTWx1KSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Apologies if this goes through twice; I tried the first time through the web interface but I don't think it took.) Jay wrote: > Here's an article that appeared in today's local paper. There's a > rare picture > of Eric Suher and the current desolation that is the park. > > \ > tml> > > Jay The first show won't actually be local bands as the story suggests -- it's an all-day show with bands from all over, with Sonny Landreth headlining. See: http://iheg.com/mountain_park_main.asp I have noticed that they On their Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/IHEGMUSIC ), in response to my (mostly jokingly) suggesting they do a ride, they said (again I think jokingly) "maybe a music-themed mini-golf course." I'm excited to see what they do with it. The IHEG guys are good folks and they book some terrific shows, and Suher is, I think, genuinely committed to Holyoke, having grown up there and still making a lot of his money there (through a massive t-shirt business - http://www.essports.com/index.html) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From citymoose5@yahoo.com Fri Aug 07 04:53:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: citymoose5@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 641 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 11:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 11:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 11:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2009 11:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2009 11:52:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:52:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 198.7.132.21 From: "citymoose5" Subject: Re: Hershey Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=371994184; y=sVY5g5wuGFcnV2yQOPaOzfTAYNrwlNkTq3E9ovKJUOZgxsvWYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: citymoose5 Thanks for the advice! I am looking forward to sharing the day with my dau= ghter and watch her experience some of the "big" coasters for the first tim= e!=20=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Aug 07 13:01:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73014 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 20:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 20:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 20:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2009 20:01:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2009 20:01:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:01:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9D2AB8F6-8952-4B96-A8A0-6C4EE9FA65FC@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.181.154 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: Funtown and Canobie Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=LGTDkApHMR-NrBsad-U5Csx3jXUKPSIC4fnkhjtbk4cGNWcBuA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Childs wrote: > (It is a family tradition to end with the carousel. My dad told me=20=20 > years after the tradition was established that they did that to calm=20=20 > us down and because our little hometown park, Kiddie Park in=20=20 > Bartlesville, Oklahoma, had the carousel right next to the exit.) > I'm not at all ashamed to admit that I loved that place when I visited last= summer, Bill.=20 What a charming little park! Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 07 17:39:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88985 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 00:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 00:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 00:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2009 00:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2009 00:38:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:38:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9D2AB8F6-8952-4B96-A8A0-6C4EE9FA65FC@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.195.145 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: Funtown and Canobie Lake X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=unfS8KWDZQVCg6_MHSd7dkprEVPVpJ7XYeyh1IyX3Id5ZBnO-9rL X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Excalibur continues to be a really fun little ride < Yeah, we really enjoyed it. The last time we were there, they had a really= nifty gift shop after the exit. Was that still there? > the carousel, which has a cool old organ that seemed to be malfunctioning= , since it=20=20 > sounded like the demon spawn of Tom Waits and John Cage. < LOL! I wonder if that's new. I don't remember a real band organ when we w= ere there. > Embarrassed to admit that this is my first time < And I'm sure now it won't be your last. I think that park is the gem of Ne= w England. Did you ride the Mine of the Lost Souls? Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 07 17:41:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37889 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 00:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 00:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 00:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2009 00:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2009 00:40:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:40:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <789A40F2-D4D5-460F-8718-6136A09C1DA4@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.195.145 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: More on Mt. Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=aOJvfmqysBbZ4BOGxN1jONZa2WFAdMgdfhFBCgqjBWjcLGb23cDn X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I'm excited to see what they do with it. The IHEG guys are good folks = =20 > and they book some terrific shows, and Suher is, I think, genuinely=20=20 > committed to Holyoke < He's publicly stated that he wants to return the park to the way people rem= ember it. But that will certainly take time and an awful lot of money. He= 's probably just taking his time with it. Jay From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Sat Aug 08 03:54:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34242 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 10:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 10:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 10:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-24-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.24.241]:37781 helo=[10.0.1.198]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MZjY2-0007iw-T5 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:53:15 -0400 Message-Id: <841107A7-817D-4EDC-89FC-7A4B0E612904@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1249722928.3989.36575.m5@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:53:12 -0400 References: <1249722928.3989.36575.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 3312 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=L69g5lNX0e1WE0HRw0fpzn6Irq1y8m9Zthntk81K2O5kDIWWLDVRsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Jay wrote: >> Excalibur continues to be a really fun little ride < > > Yeah, we really enjoyed it. The last time we were there, they had a > really nifty gift shop after the exit. Was that still there? There was a gift shop there - didn't go in, so I couldn't tell you if it was nifty. That area where the ride is feels like it was planned to become a new themed area, perhaps with more than just the coaster and the shop. I wonder if they had bigger plans that they didn't follow through on. > >> the carousel, which has a cool old organ that seemed to be >> malfunctioning, since it >> sounded like the demon spawn of Tom Waits and John Cage. < > > LOL! I wonder if that's new. I don't remember a real band organ > when we were there. It was off to the side of the carousel (i.e., not in the middle), so maybe so. You can hear a little sample I recorded of it at: http://sparetherock.com/funtown.html > >> Embarrassed to admit that this is my first time < > > And I'm sure now it won't be your last. I think that park is the > gem of New England. Did you ride the Mine of the Lost Souls? Nope. Neither of my kids are interested in dark rides (i.e., they're scared) and I was solo dad. I actually don't think we ever even walked past it - I looked at the map at the end of the day and realized that there was that little part of the park we never got to. Bill From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 09 05:49:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80699 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2009 12:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2009 12:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2009 12:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2009 12:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2009 12:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2009 12:48:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:48:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.195.145 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: The new Mt. Park gets beer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=E2JYRDiWeq2mP9JQ8U4pfB1pZcgsSpCJUH028nBpDoreoQZQaHWB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Surprise surprise.... Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 09 05:57:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60448 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2009 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2009 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2009 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2009 12:57:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2009 12:57:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:57:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <841107A7-817D-4EDC-89FC-7A4B0E612904@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.195.145 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Funtown organ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=jjujszZe42sTvVdYoxftGnIEQfB5R18QZL1puVdsDa5Gosb2nGj1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It was off to the side of the carousel (i.e., not in the middle), so mayb= e so. You can hear a little sample I recorded < Ouch! That poor instrument needs some serious work. There are dead notes = all over the place. At the Fall River (MA) carousel, the band organ there had been restored man= y times. But the teens who worked there hated the sound of it. They'd get= bored and start yanking air tubes out of the cabinet until the organ no lo= nger functioned. That's what the Funtown organ reminds me of. 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It's new roller = coaster, the Rock Bottom Plunge, is amazing how they stuffed a looping coas= ter into such a small space.=20=20 From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 07:11:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96145 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2009 14:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2009 14:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2009 14:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2009 14:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2009 14:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2009 14:10:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:10:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.155.20.2 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Silverwood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=Sno5Yzh9j76uKrvoYtN46Ey9tNlwgoz6wW6F4EnhT5345X1OQazC X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Just thought I'd share... Next week we will be vacationing in the Pacific = northwest and be hitting up Silverwood. 48 inches for Deja Vu means Willia= m will get his mind blown. Razzle Dazzle! From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Aug 11 09:34:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91829 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2009 16:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2009 16:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2009 16:34:32 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so980386fga.21 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:33:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.86.84.12 with SMTP id h12mr4215215fgb.21.1250008411569; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:33:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:33:31 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0908110933x896f09ax6710c8e22cb0cc13@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Silverwood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=iwuemwm-ZMAv75HEerA3DaVZdwNR7fTZB_T2cW24Udc5ywY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Is that one open consistently? Either way, their wood coasters look pretty awesome too. Have a fun trip On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:10 AM, tommytheduck wrot= e: > > > Just thought I'd share... Next week we will be vacationing in the Pacific > northwest and be hitting up Silverwood. 48 inches for Deja Vu means Willi= am > will get his mind blown. > > Razzle Dazzle! > >=20 From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Aug 11 22:51:38 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94630 invoked by uid 7800); 12 Aug 2009 05:51:35 -0000 Date: 12 Aug 2009 05:51:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1250056295.8.94629.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=ZVKvz5JyT1AnolHXX92aU4ktOSiErHY1250056213-1" --YCalReminder=ZVKvz5JyT1AnolHXX92aU4ktOSiErHY1250056213-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=ZVKvz5JyT1AnolHXX92aU4ktOSiErHY1250056213-1-- From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Wed Aug 12 11:03:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87223 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2009 18:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2009 18:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dozer.liquidweb.com) (64.91.245.27) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2009 18:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from c-71-192-24-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.24.241]:34949 helo=[10.0.1.198]) by dozer.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MbIA1-0007Wn-W1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:02:54 -0400 Message-Id: <917239F4-F00F-4BE7-B1BF-C36E943C693B@law.wnec.edu> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:02:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dozer.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Originating-IP: 64.91.245.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Mountain Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=2MidXWAgUscNJRY-iNvGRMz6WeB69gYxa48IMA0G12wwSx3kp1EG-A X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Couple of news items on Mountain Park. First, our own Jay is quoted extensively in this Valley Advocate piece: http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=10336 Second, Eric Suher, the park's new owner, was on WRSI (the station I'm on too) this morning. There's no archive yet, but if it gets posted, it'll be at: http://www.wrsi.com/pages/3243131.php The host asked him if a coaster was coming back, and basically he said they might bring in rides from time to time, but that there was no prospect of an actual permanent installation of anything. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 18:04:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16518 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2009 01:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2009 01:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2009 01:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2009 01:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2009 01:03:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:03:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Timberhawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=BwcGvC8FUWLsdUAk0_XUEJUFr0w_uWTOpZOM-uKMS6xZiucREY_A X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Anyone know anything about Timberhawk at Wild Waves park near Seattle? is = it worth the trip?=20=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Aug 15 07:02:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76736 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2009 14:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2009 14:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2009 14:02:34 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so208674fga.13 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:01:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.87.42.14 with SMTP id u14mr1634183fgj.28.1250344887804; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:01:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0908150701p6fd84d6dn6d47e825ba33b07e@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Timberhawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=2dQcCjzd4VunR-sOBX_IIRQvg4YEQcsP03DY_Jd2ZI4vxh4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I thought this was gonna be the new cp anouncement On 8/14/09, tommytheduck wrote: > Anyone know anything about Timberhawk at Wild Waves park near Seattle? is > it worth the trip? > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Aug 15 09:35:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34505 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2009 16:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2009 16:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f185.google.com) (209.85.212.185) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2009 16:34:54 -0000 X-Received: by vws15 with SMTP id 15so1768254vws.5 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.111.19 with SMTP id q19mr3094374vcp.105.1250354089127; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0908150701p6fd84d6dn6d47e825ba33b07e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0908150701p6fd84d6dn6d47e825ba33b07e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:34:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Timberhawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=6qYcCw-DSmmVDs0lfTymM5imsutPp18_itWyXNK36OXAh_bdyKOl4XE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Anyone know anything about Timberhawk at Wild Waves park near Seattle? is > > it worth the trip? From what I've heard, it's very family-oriented (ie not very exciting). If you ask me, your time is far better spent driving up Mount Rainier or at Olympic National Park. (Unless you're there Sep 11-17, in which case you could check out the wooden coaster at Puyallup). Have fun! -Nate From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Aug 15 12:10:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40916 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2009 19:10:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2009 19:10:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2009 19:10:45 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so228384fgb.5 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:10:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.86.84.12 with SMTP id h12mr1787026fgb.21.1250363435836; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:10:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0908150701p6fd84d6dn6d47e825ba33b07e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:10:35 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0908151210w29f1f8e0p63f22295bb40a05d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Timberhawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=ZH5x6rtME269txC75f9qswzvtwzzBksMosL5NlgoJBE3Ktg X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska And if the time is right, that palyp coaster seems like one of the few enthusiast grails that might deserve its title. At least based on the youtube povs ive seen. On 8/15/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: >> > Anyone know anything about Timberhawk at Wild Waves park near Seattle? >> > is >> > it worth the trip? > > From what I've heard, it's very family-oriented (ie not very > exciting). If you ask me, your time is far better spent driving up > Mount Rainier or at Olympic National Park. (Unless you're there Sep > 11-17, in which case you could check out the wooden coaster at > Puyallup). > > Have fun! > > -Nate > From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Aug 15 18:13:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68683 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2009 01:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2009 01:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f214.google.com) (209.85.217.214) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2009 01:13:35 -0000 X-Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so3723566gxk.21 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:12:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr1915437agj.18.1250385154971; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:12:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:12:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Silverwood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=OclHaeVMt7rhF-OVgUpaqWx-Rls-yVTkQ7ELeIwitJyWczC3g9G_t6I X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On 8/11/09, tommytheduck wrote: > Just thought I'd share... Next week we will be vacationing in the Pacific > northwest and be hitting up Silverwood. 48 inches for Deja Vu means William > will get his mind blown. > > Razzle Dazzle! I'm actually heading up that way too, but for work in the Seattle area. I've already been to Silverwood, and it's a pretty long drive for a day at the park, so I probably won't be going there this time. However, I'll be tempted, as Timber Terror and Tremors were both excellent. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. This time my coaster goals include Wild Waves (Timberhawk looks decent, it'll be nearby, and I can use my SF season pass), Playland (it has the third remaining Prior & Church wooden coaster, the others being the two Giant Dippers in California, neither of which still have the cool original trains), and the Puyallup Fair (some hard to obtain credits, including a John Miller woodie with another set of original Prior & Church trains). My trip was originally going to end shortly before the fair began, but my schedule just got extended a bit, so I'm excited. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 19:21:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27571 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2009 02:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2009 02:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2009 02:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2009 02:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2009 02:20:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:20:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.203.11 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TR: Mountain Park Reborn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=PP61MeKO90PouQdt1f-gAkOhKM0qSOC8B1GikeUARh6ywzOHLwtd X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Karen and I drove to Holyoke on a hot sunny Saturday afternoon. After twen= ty-two years of dormancy, Mountain Park was being brought back to life by H= olyoke entrepreneur Eric Suher. He had owned the property since 2006 and a= fter some false starts, his vision of concerts on the mountain was being re= alized. For one weekend, a stage had been erected. Saturday was a free co= ncert featuring local bands. Sunday would cost $30 to see The Decemberists= . We turned at the lights on Route 5 and headed up the all-too-familiar Mount= ain Park access road. A small red and white sign tied to a post at the bot= tom advertised the concerts. There were a few cars in front of us. (One w= as pulling a boat.) I guessed that some joggers were still practicing thei= r daily routines around the reservoir; some stray cars were parked along th= e side of the access road near the bridge over Route 91. About a half-doze= n attendants in bright yellow shirts emblazoned with the Mountain Park logo= were directing traffic as it flowed through the main gate, welcoming peopl= e as they entered. We were steered to the left and parked close by. The t= angled vines that once hid much of the parking lot from view were gone. Fo= r the first time in recent memory, the park appeared well-groomed.=20 The concert had begun at about two o'clock. We arrived about four. I was = pleased to see how many people had turned out. We had been directed off to= the side because the main area was full. There really hadn't been a lot o= f time for publicity for the concerts, and I had worried that few would com= e. But apparently Mountain Park still held an attraction for people. It w= as strangely exciting to see all the cars there. I could barely remember t= he last time I saw vehicles in that lot.=20=20 Cars continued streaming in as we began walking down the old trolley road t= oward the north end of the park where the stage was. There were no signs t= hat an amusement park had once been here. To our left, the high ground tha= t once held the midway was flat dirt with occasional piles of ground up con= crete. New grass had apparently been planted on the slope but had not yet = sprouted. The once heavily-shaded midway was now bare except for three ski= nny pine trees that stood on the cliff where the Cutie-Caddy used to run. = They looked like frail senitnels. We walked past the old road that used to climb up between the carousel and = the Dodgems and encountered a make-shift gate with tables under small white= tents. The table on the left was to get a wristband in order to purchase = alcohol. The other was to get a hand stamp to enter the stage area. I tho= ught that was odd, since the day was free. But perhaps they were practicin= g for the paid evening. People were being stopped if they had any food or = drink with them. To the left of the tents was once the huge concrete buttress for the Sky Ri= de entrance. But no sign of it remained. We continued walking. The vast = picnic grove down to the right offered shade, and though the stage wasn't v= ery visible a lot of people had set up their camping chairs there. To the = left was the blue steel picnic pavilion that took the place of the ballroom= and tap room after they burned down. It had been spruced up a bit and con= tained about a half-dozen vendors selling hot dogs and drinks. Two bright = banners hung there. One on the side facing the road simply said "FOOD" wit= h the Mountain Park logo on either side. The other faced the grove and ran= the length of the pavilion, proclaiming the different offerings inside. I= t all looked rather festive. Next to the pavilion was the big stage, erected so that it faced the ballfi= eld hill. It was the perfect place to put it; the crowd was able to use th= e natural slope of the hillside for seating. People were milling about, ma= ybe a few dozen on the hill. Orange tape was used to rope off the old road= going up to the ballfield, keeping a clear access path. A band was doing = a sound check and setting up. I walked to the top of the hill and looked o= ut over the scene. I had stood there so often in the past, on fire extinqu= isher duty for the park's firework displays. In my years as watchman, I ha= d created a disc golf course on the park grounds and the top of the ballfie= ld was one of the tees. But the sight now seemed so alien, with dirt stret= ching in every direction. I walked down the old road toward the big glacial erratic that still stood = solidly, as it had for millennia. A father and his two small children walk= ed by and the children squealed with delight when they saw the giant rock. = I walked back to the pavilion and re-joined Karen. I heard a voice call m= y name; it was Dan Overton, a photographer who had taken many pictures of M= ountain Park after it had closed, and also documented the reconstruction of= the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round. We talked for a while about the past. Karen = walked over to the pavilion to get something, but came back empty-handed. = A bottle of water cost three dollars and an ice cream cone cost five. That= seemed a bit pricey. A rock band started playing. We strolled through the shade of the picnic g= rove, escaping the sun that still burned hot even in the late afternoon. = The ground was fairly clear but was very soft, as if it had just been tille= d. At the far back of the grove we encountered the foundation of the Sky R= ide's turnaround. Nearby was the remains of the concrete stage Roger Forti= n had built. To the south was a pile of lumber, fencing and weeds -- the r= emains of the old Animal Land zoo. We walked back to the trolley road and headed back to our car. There seeme= d to be many people doing the same thing, the curious who came to see what = the park had become and perhaps relive some memories. The music didn't int= erest us. We had returned to the mountain looking for some sign of our you= th. But it wasn't there. Sweating profusely, we returned to our car. The parking attendants had beg= un directing cars up the reservoir access road and then into the original p= arking lot entrance at the southwest corner of the property. As the lot co= ntinued to fill up, we drove back out the entrance and headed home. We had= spent only about an hour there. That was all I needed. There was a final= ity to our visit, a lingering impression that the Mountain Park we grew up = with was gone forever. Up until this day, I had clung to the hope that the= park would rise from the grave like a phoenix. I imagined that the rides = would all somehow magically return, that we'd be playing minature golf agai= n or that I'd hear the blast of the Satellite once more. But all of those = dreams evaporated, and I realized that my memories will be the only connect= ion I will ever have to the Mountain Park of my youth. William Loomis created Mountain Park as a picnic grove with entertaiment in= 1895. Eric Suher has revived and re-invented it, bringing it full circle.= It seeemed to be off to a good start. The teens and children roaming the= grounds never knew the park that I knew. They had no expectations and see= med to be happy simply to have music around them. They will begin to make = their own memories and tell their own children about when they were young, = and the fun times they had up at Mountain Park. 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--YCalReminder=Yp1KOBxUpyCtbnlYWEDqsEISGNP1250401818-1-- From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Aug 16 05:12:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24487 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2009 12:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2009 12:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f227.google.com) (209.85.217.227) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2009 12:12:28 -0000 X-Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so3112462gxk.12 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:11:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.33.16 with SMTP id g16mr2103828agg.37.1250424688026; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:11:28 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0908160511m6be23cfbm56fb322f4b0d8ca1@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: New pictures of Knoebels and Tripsdrill X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=onfD1vtSPBTtNBdA7NpRx9vn1iiMp8gCJQ3j_BdojVTjEYA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I uploaded a few pictures from some trips this summer to Tripsdrill and Knoebels: http://sanosandy.smugmug.com/Amusement%20Parks Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 08:37:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32400 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2009 15:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2009 15:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2009 15:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2009 15:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2009 15:37:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:37:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.232.239.98 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Silverwood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=eAFMGPwG7oYX2rB1tvufbtqgsD567mET6fXqJ2NVKp2bXoXJmCkj X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > area. I've already been to Silverwood, and it's a pretty long drive > for a day at the park, so I probably won't be going there this time. > However, I'll be tempted, as Timber Terror and Tremors were both > excellent. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. We kinda felt the same way too, so we decided to spend an extra day in the = area. We've got some ATV's reserved for a day of riding trails around lake= s and such. It looks like such a great area that it would be an absolute w= aste to just drive in for the park and leave again.=20=20 We will probably not hit many of the other parks around here. There's a sm= all possibility of doing a run in to the park in Downtown Portland today as= our friend shows us around. Like Nate said, we're here to sight see and = already have Mt St Hellens and other National Parks planned. We'll probabl= y hit up the ones right by the Space Needle though, as we'll be right there= . Besides, I need the kiddie credit. ;) Razzle Dazzle, -Tommytheduck From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sun Aug 16 09:32:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78745 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2009 16:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2009 16:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f197.google.com) (209.85.212.197) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2009 16:32:33 -0000 X-Received: by vws35 with SMTP id 35so2178333vws.23 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:31:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.13.74 with SMTP id b10mr3801388vca.102.1250440280456; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:31:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:31:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Silverwood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=84l9tRpGaLLObSwTvuu0cyS9HvA1HqpX0TXSrgQ9vyANeu037SB88Wg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This time my coaster goals include Wild Waves (Timberhawk looks > decent, it'll be nearby, and I can use my SF season pass), Wild Waves is no longer owned by Six Flags. It's been operated by PARC since 2007. -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 16:42:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53788 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2009 23:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2009 23:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2009 23:42:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88833 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2009 23:42:02 -0000 Message-ID: <81136.88372.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: df2.KeQVM1m8KW3rIOPq8i4lE6_036P6DbGwEHjlyfu.dFZdbFwr1bVwigD1756yOqUs4uWhTe4jLWBoEETIo.36kMDnYFMzl8G5mLEDfSB92R2AqR7yz5HEeGGCWQNwcdyCEKtt72aTQG3zRjX6OjUkwsOUZlIaR.Oal8m_nZh4Kqsxe2lj_Sp1DZuJvDQVwWDzUjiMtPLI115PrbvZJH5u3glqpfZwygmDGw04jtkz8lvPDkFzKrPOm.Ru2LRXyrlHdrZk2f3lORcDKYldZfhire0Y3G4eSIkv1N5WYwZ2X8QtmMJ7tt18ao4SO08ufWE8UQdtotYue34_tEyK.Av2j1Q7n7cEXFtYivuq_ivsfB.Ph4NCwhM4pBR8Q8rboQ3EE_336pq9hqZssX8- X-Received: from [72.79.203.11] by web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:42:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:42:01 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: Mt. Park photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=vlU4QO7a0jUafvs2BvoMeqWisluKIgXNugenaAkvkuqPhoTHCA-z X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've posted some pics from the concert at the new Mountain Park. =A0For the= curious, scroll down to the 2009 images: Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 06:55:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46703 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2009 13:54:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2009 13:54:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2009 13:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2009 13:54:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2009 13:54:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:54:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0908160511m6be23cfbm56fb322f4b0d8ca1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.203.11 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: New pictures of Knoebels and Tripsdrill X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=1vzZ2QEEfh5f9u1Y9padkj0up0rjATtnviYKhN7PM2eAh6WHKC27 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Nice pics, Adam. So the Flying Turns is still silent? The photos of Mammut are impressive. It looks like there's a lot still bei= ng assembled in the park. What were those troughs underneath Mammut? A la= zy river? Jay From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Aug 17 19:24:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57257 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2009 02:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2009 02:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.181) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2009 02:24:26 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so509550waf.17 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:23:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.115.132.9 with SMTP id j9mr5195117wan.105.1250562205556; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:23:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <165816ef0908160511m6be23cfbm56fb322f4b0d8ca1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:23:25 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0908171923p7961bf5fj65cbb642de373c8b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New pictures of Knoebels and Tripsdrill X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=OISv1K1epOjvvsAqp7wnDloRiLj60qbP4NcbRCsiO8b1qT4 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The photos of Mammut are impressive. It looks like there's a lot still being assembled in the park. What were those troughs underneath Mammut? A lazy river?" No, they have the last run heading below grade and into a tunnel before hitting the brakes. As for the "stuff" going on, it has basically looked like a construction zone around Mammut since it opened in spring of 2008. They are a quirky park, but a very nice place. And yes, sadly Dick's dream is still closed. I still think they are working around ASTM standards trying to figure how to get these things enclosed and have it work, but that is just scuttlebutt I have heard, not 100% on that. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Aug 18 05:51:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29666 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2009 12:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2009 12:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2009 12:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2009 12:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2009 12:51:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:51:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0908171923p7961bf5fj65cbb642de373c8b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: New pictures of Knoebels and Tripsdrill X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=oE5n1HC0fAlQU7TYsX-mF54d51CwNvxWnM7aCGbBrZtS9JM X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I should have also said that the factory/ride assembly shots were taken at = the Gerstlauer (former Schwarzkopf) factory, not Tripsdrill. Adam From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Aug 18 07:26:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30398 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2009 14:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2009 14:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f191.google.com) (209.85.212.191) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2009 14:26:06 -0000 X-Received: by vws29 with SMTP id 29so3111793vws.20 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:24:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.15.134 with SMTP id k6mr7042652vca.91.1250605443015; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:24:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <165816ef0908171923p7961bf5fj65cbb642de373c8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <165816ef0908160511m6be23cfbm56fb322f4b0d8ca1@mail.gmail.com> <165816ef0908171923p7961bf5fj65cbb642de373c8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:24:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New pictures of Knoebels and Tripsdrill X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=jOAdkg1lB_LEKnpLSUDiaQEpAeldY3svFWTFSPDgDGrjrGtZdPXvVcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > "The photos of Mammut are impressive. It looks like there's a lot still > being assembled in the park. What were those troughs underneath Mammut? A > lazy river?" > No, they have the last run heading below grade and into a tunnel before > hitting the brakes. What are the other trenches for (as seen in this pic: http://sanosandy.smugmug.com/gallery/9292676_FDykm#620943226_ZxdBp) ? When I had first seen pictures of this ride under construction, I had thought perhaps that was to be the queue, but clearly that isn't the case. Water drainage maybe? Thanks, Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Aug 18 07:35:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84825 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2009 14:35:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2009 14:35:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f216.google.com) (209.85.217.216) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2009 14:35:39 -0000 X-Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so5139019gxk.4 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:35:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.158.2 with SMTP id g2mr3852399age.92.1250606135666; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:35:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <165816ef0908160511m6be23cfbm56fb322f4b0d8ca1@mail.gmail.com> <165816ef0908171923p7961bf5fj65cbb642de373c8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0908180735g53e8bd06pbbafe0721dd8047f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New pictures of Knoebels and Tripsdrill X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=Ewnrw8M_FewFsmKkxEhlAT9K5zvQLn93aO5lznK1x5cHKMI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "When I had first seen pictures of this ride under construction, I had thought perhaps that was to be the queue, but clearly that isn't the case. Water drainage maybe?" Ah, that trench. No idea on that one. Could be water drainage, but it seems a bit big for the quantities (I imagine) they would get. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 10:41:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24285 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2009 17:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2009 17:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2009 17:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2009 17:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2009 17:41:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:41:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0908180735g53e8bd06pbbafe0721dd8047f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.19.229.42 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: New pictures of Knoebels and Tripsdrill X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EtwOiMlU7Sioe-aUwuMsH-aQaCHRyLyyvClrA6jcZyhVDJYAsja4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Ah, that trench. No idea on that one. Could be water drainage, but it s= eems a bit big for the quantities (I imagine) they would get. < Those were the troughs I was talking about. If it were drainage, the troug= hs wouldn't curve like that; drainage often tries for a straight cut. It l= ooks like either a tunnel (as Adam mentioned) or a water ride. But it look= s like there's very little clearance under the track's crossover. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 21:33:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61207 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2009 04:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2009 04:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2009 04:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2009 04:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2009 04:32:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:32:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.181.154 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Timberhawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=i7LFxVYdAQKdjE9aYBg4pMEEm6V5uUIwHrJtYFvxnuZuTBl6mA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" = wrote: > > Anyone know anything about Timberhawk at Wild Waves park near Seattle? i= s it worth the trip? > The POV's all make it look like it's about to valley on every drop. The few= people that I've known to ride it said it wasn't particularly thrilling.=20 Chris From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Aug 19 15:29:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95689 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2009 22:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2009 22:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2009 22:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7JMT5jY013200 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:29:05 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d0a.55680139 (37093) for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:29:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB073-90e54a8c7cae11f; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:29:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4A8C7CDA.1030607@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:29:46 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Timberhawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=XrPl1HOz1lgtXTvslI1Vyy1H4oSG1nEcRiyRw5n9NIe45Dyf_A X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Chris wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" wrote: > >> Anyone know anything about Timberhawk at Wild Waves park near Seattle? is it worth the trip? >> >> > > The POV's all make it look like it's about to valley on every drop. The few people that I've known to ride it said it wasn't particularly thrilling. > > Chris > > The ride is a fun one, but not the most thrilling by any means. It does have a few good moments. I think it is pretty much the type of ride the park was looking for, a fun coaster that the whole family could enjoy, and that is pretty much what they got. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Aug 20 13:29:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27351 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2009 20:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2009 20:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2009 20:29:29 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so75956fge.2 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:28:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.86.158.5 with SMTP id g5mr222558fge.32.1250800105367; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> To: rollercoastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=3Cz8T7KB9prPwQL-7mta4wA1m4KquyhO68pUNU-t4Y5qzhI X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Kings Dominion announced their new ride today. 305 foot tall intamin giga coaster, I think they named it intimidator, but I dont remeber those little details. Whatever it's called, the ride looks freaking amazing. Now my favorite steel is mforce, so I am obviously biased. But after seeing the llayout renderings and the very high quality (badnitrous?) video I could not be more excited. That giant 85 degree 305 ft drop into the ground hugging turn to me looks better than MFs 80 degree into the overbank. And then it combines the few giant floater hills of MF with a few SROS like hip killers thrown in. But the real kicker for me are all those low, fast, ground hugging turns and those awesome that-one-moment-on-iron-wolf transitions all over the place. I've always like my intamins more than the beemers for non-looping rides, and this one looks like it has all of my favorite intamin features. This i the most psyched I've been about an announcement in a few years....now lets juust hope the coaster doesnt dissapoint. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Aug 20 14:06:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85055 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2009 21:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2009 21:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2009 21:06:16 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so135495qwk.36 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:05:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.72.12 with SMTP id k12mr285018qaj.62.1250802310070; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:05:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0908201405qb433cf7qa7b82f5294e3668f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=j7JSLALHHprfsHP-UUhj4mVbpooVKCvLoQRwDZg_rORD9XQE2w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny It looks like a "giga"-tized version of one of their mega-lites. I'm pretty excited for this ride. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > > > Kings Dominion announced their new ride today. 305 foot tall intamin > giga coaster, I think they named it intimidator, but I dont remeber > those little details. > > Whatever it's called, the ride looks freaking amazing. Now my > favorite steel is mforce, so I am obviously biased. But after seeing > the llayout renderings and the very high quality (badnitrous?) video I > could not be more excited. > > That giant 85 degree 305 ft drop into the ground hugging turn to me > looks better than MFs 80 degree into the overbank. And then it > combines the few giant floater hills of MF with a few SROS like hip > killers thrown in. But the real kicker for me are all those low, > fast, ground hugging turns and those awesome > that-one-moment-on-iron-wolf transitions all over the place. > > I've always like my intamins more than the beemers for non-looping > rides, and this one looks like it has all of my favorite intamin > features. > > This i the most psyched I've been about an announcement in a few > years....now lets juust hope the coaster doesnt dissapoint. > >=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Aug 20 18:48:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10148 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 01:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 01:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f213.google.com) (209.85.220.213) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 01:48:13 -0000 X-Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so240394fxm.25 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:47:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.86.209.23 with SMTP id h23mr430782fgg.22.1250819226185; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:47:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0908201405qb433cf7qa7b82f5294e3668f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0908201405qb433cf7qa7b82f5294e3668f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0908201847h2a2aa627p2a5528ce287db958@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=Es08qoIMb5Dkl922iCpG8w-xgiszUzMra8-Hu6ZYx6xGdfs X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Yeah, and those Megalites look freaking sweet too. Can't wait till we get one of those in the states. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Josh W wrote: > > > It looks like a "giga"-tized version of one of their mega-lites. I'm > pretty excited for this ride. > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Michael Cowan wrote= : >> >> >> Kings Dominion announced their new ride today. 305 foot tall intamin >> giga coaster, I think they named it intimidator, but I dont remeber >> those little details. >> >> Whatever it's called, the ride looks freaking amazing. Now my >> favorite steel is mforce, so I am obviously biased. But after seeing >> the llayout renderings and the very high quality (badnitrous?) video I >> could not be more excited. >> >> That giant 85 degree 305 ft drop into the ground hugging turn to me >> looks better than MFs 80 degree into the overbank. And then it >> combines the few giant floater hills of MF with a few SROS like hip >> killers thrown in. But the real kicker for me are all those low, >> fast, ground hugging turns and those awesome >> that-one-moment-on-iron-wolf transitions all over the place. >> >> I've always like my intamins more than the beemers for non-looping >> rides, and this one looks like it has all of my favorite intamin >> features. >> >> This i the most psyched I've been about an announcement in a few >> years....now lets juust hope the coaster doesnt dissapoint. >> >> >=20 From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 20:25:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8270 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 03:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 03:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 03:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2009 03:25:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2009 03:25:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:25:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0908201847h2a2aa627p2a5528ce287db958@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.181.154 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ATHhTiAMcy2pfLtVwFMGnH2wt5XBXDHSAMIUT0ZERpcZoGYqHA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'll admit, I've been waiting for Carowinds' announcement with a bit more a= nticipation, but as fun as Kawasemi was, seeing these renders certainly piq= ued my interest in this ride! Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cowan wro= te: > > Yeah, and those Megalites look freaking sweet too. Can't wait till we > get one of those in the states. >=20 > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Josh W wrote: > > > > > > It looks like a "giga"-tized version of one of their mega-lites. I'm > > pretty excited for this ride. > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > >> > >> > >> Kings Dominion announced their new ride today. 305 foot tall intamin > >> giga coaster, I think they named it intimidator, but I dont remeber > >> those little details. > >> > >> Whatever it's called, the ride looks freaking amazing. Now my > >> favorite steel is mforce, so I am obviously biased. But after seeing > >> the llayout renderings and the very high quality (badnitrous?) video I > >> could not be more excited. > >> > >> That giant 85 degree 305 ft drop into the ground hugging turn to me > >> looks better than MFs 80 degree into the overbank. And then it > >> combines the few giant floater hills of MF with a few SROS like hip > >> killers thrown in. But the real kicker for me are all those low, > >> fast, ground hugging turns and those awesome > >> that-one-moment-on-iron-wolf transitions all over the place. > >> > >> I've always like my intamins more than the beemers for non-looping > >> rides, and this one looks like it has all of my favorite intamin > >> features. > >> > >> This i the most psyched I've been about an announcement in a few > >> years....now lets juust hope the coaster doesnt dissapoint. > >> > >> > > > From Xcoaster@gmail.com Thu Aug 20 21:17:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68754 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 04:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 04:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f208.google.com) (209.85.217.208) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 04:17:21 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f208.google.com with SMTP id 4so577737gxk.2 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:17:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.144.16 with SMTP id w16mr567650agn.21.1250828240895; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:17:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:17:20 -0700 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=Y82PeUWfFJMCXCmOYFB5I_8srY__bZ_8w7hQfNWRKwzne1IbSUVDJcU X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > On 8/20/09, Michael Cowan wrote: > Kings Dominion announced their new ride today. 305 foot tall intamin > giga coaster, I think they named it intimidator, but I dont remeber > those little details. "Intimidator 305", named after Dale Earnhardt. Anyways, it looks like Millennium Force and Maverick had a baby. The MF aspects of that should be awesome, especially since it was looking unlikely that we'd ever see another giga coaster, but I'm worried about the snappy transition/OTSR combination, as my neck didn't appreciate that on Maverick. Still, it looks like a great layout, and an excellent addition to the park. I'm looking forward to it, especially since there's a good chance that I'll make it out there next year, and it'll be a lot of fun even if my neck must suffer a little. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Thu Aug 20 21:46:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54045 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 04:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 04:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.32) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 04:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Wsjq1c0041vXlb853slnUT; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:45:47 +0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([76.120.238.192]) by OMTA17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WsqH1c00449lS3w3dsqHn0; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:50:18 +0000 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:51:58 -0400 References: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=gfr-YBZ3bx40NvNqoFGcj_Coao-EytVE4LUjavgDSNwGUrwKREYP X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman On Aug 21, 2009, at 12:17 AM, Ryan Snooks wrote: >> On 8/20/09, Michael Cowan wrote: >> Kings Dominion announced their new ride today. 305 foot tall intamin >> giga coaster, I think they named it intimidator, but I dont remeber >> those little details. > > "Intimidator 305", named after Dale Earnhardt. > > Anyways, it looks like Millennium Force and Maverick had a baby. The > MF aspects of that should be awesome, especially since it was looking > unlikely that we'd ever see another giga coaster, but I'm worried > about the snappy transition/OTSR combination, as my neck didn't > appreciate that on Maverick. Still, it looks like a great layout, and > an excellent addition to the park. I'm looking forward to it, > especially since there's a good chance that I'll make it out there > next year, and it'll be a lot of fun even if my neck must suffer a > little. But they're not OSTRs! I know, I was surprised too. From the website (http://www.intimidator305.com/public/ride/statistics.cfm): "Vehicles: Four passenger open design trains with overhead lap bars but no over-the-shoulder harnesses" In their defense, they don't actually know what shoulders are, or where they're located on your body. To me though, the ride looks sort of windy... I wonder how forceful the turnarounds will actually be. S:ROS at SFA was kind of windy in every spot that wasn't an airtime hill, and so was Kingda Ka.... at least Kingda Ka you're only doing 120 for a few seconds, but this ride it looks like you're doing 80-90 hugging the ground for a minute. Just seems like if you're going to build a coaster for 25 million and 300 feet high, it should be a little more interesting than big drop with a few sharp changes in direction. -Mike From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Aug 20 21:47:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48960 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 04:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 04:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 04:47:47 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so260352qwa.58 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:47:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.108.138 with SMTP id f10mr464926qap.20.1250830025483; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:47:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:47:05 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0908202147s94d2959w1d10f28276e5292d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=3WJTj10ckYNNgjEPuF4GbFw12M15NSjA3d2oXL-i9aauyo_Xrw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Please, re-read the press release. There will be NO OTSRs. There will be an overhead lapbar, similar to Maverick, without the shoulder restraints. It will be closer to Pilgrims Plunge. Josh On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Ryan Snooks wrote: > > >> On 8/20/09, Michael Cowan wrote: >> Kings Dominion announced their new ride today. 305 foot tall intamin >> giga coaster, I think they named it intimidator, but I dont remeber >> those little details. > > "Intimidator 305", named after Dale Earnhardt. > > Anyways, it looks like Millennium Force and Maverick had a baby. The > MF aspects of that should be awesome, especially since it was looking > unlikely that we'd ever see another giga coaster, but I'm worried > about the snappy transition/OTSR combination, as my neck didn't > appreciate that on Maverick. Still, it looks like a great layout, and > an excellent addition to the park. I'm looking forward to it, > especially since there's a good chance that I'll make it out there > next year, and it'll be a lot of fun even if my neck must suffer a > little. > -- > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@gmail.com >=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 21 04:43:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36760 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 11:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 11:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 11:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MeSWr-00076q-2C for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4A8E885A.4060906@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:43:22 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4787720f953d32abf6718a35a903518e5ed0949ddaa3db1c118350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Z0whmA1FP1__ehGb4qeIUNyzSDDxaJXuYiyEA5U2GYnrRzg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike Filippone wrote: > > but I'm worried > > about the snappy transition/OTSR combination, as my neck didn't > > appreciate that on Maverick. > > But they're not OSTRs! I know, I was surprised too. From the website > (http://www.intimidator305.com/public/ride/statistics.cfm > ): > > "Vehicles: Four passenger open design trains with overhead lap bars > but no over-the-shoulder harnesses" > I don't care what name you stick on them, what they're showing in this picture: http://www.intimidator305.com/_upload/photo_gallery/renderings/KD09.jpg Is the Intamin form of an OTSR. Regardless of the name, it's looking like it runs the risk of being a head/neck basher with those things on it. > To me though, the ride looks sort of windy... I wonder how forceful > the turnarounds will actually be. S:ROS at SFA was kind of windy in > every spot that wasn't an airtime hill, and so was Kingda Ka.... at > least Kingda Ka you're only doing 120 for a few seconds, but this ride > it looks like you're doing 80-90 hugging the ground for a minute. > Just seems like if you're going to build a coaster for 25 million and > 300 feet high, it should be a little more interesting than big drop > with a few sharp changes in direction. That's basically what MF is though. This looks like it has one major thing in common with MF in that it's going to be almost all about speed. There might be a couple of spots of air, but I think it's going to be like MF in that there's very little to no real air on it. Just speed- in which case I like it near the ground as that reinforces that part of it. I'm wondering what that first helix is going to be like. 300 foot drop into a sharp helix at the bottom just seems a bit, um, much without the normal pullout of some sort. I haven't been on S:ROS, but the other coasters I've been on that have a big drop into a helix, it often doesn't work out so well. In any case it looks interesting. Would love to get the chance to ride it but who knows when that might happen. keep on ridin' George (who should get on Rip Ride Rockit next weekend) -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Aug 21 05:31:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10685 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 12:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 12:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f227.google.com) (209.85.217.227) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 12:31:15 -0000 X-Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so878679gxk.12 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:30:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.174.7 with SMTP id w7mr920001age.11.1250857813515; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:30:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A8E885A.4060906@earthlink.net> References: <6ab4641f0908201328waf8d1b1ka24f32b8e00a26a0@mail.gmail.com> <4A8E885A.4060906@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:30:13 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0908210530p5ba31010m3ead23106daed739@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=kHys9bWRK6QUZR-_V6-cObi1fOgCWK0SvRxPCUvU6ogr2R0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > So this racing concept coaster is based around the theme someone who died > racing? Ok. > Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 06:20:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23165 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 13:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 13:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 13:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2009 13:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2009 13:19:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:19:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.79 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=qC6fok5l6oq3IpWCBTcLTWOvpZ_ckqwu6B63CAKCMJESyxiuLe10 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Anyways, it looks like Millennium Force and Maverick had a baby. < LOL! That's a great way to describe it. For its size, the ride seems real= ly short. And apart from the abrupt left/right transitions, it doesn't see= m to do much. But I guess the only way to tell for sure would be to ride i= t. :-) I'm not too excited about those restraints, though. They remind me of the = old Arrow OTSHs from Loch Ness Monster, which aren't terrible but still can= be uncomfortable. And I don't understand the need for them when MF gets b= y fine with a lap bar and seat belt. And I also really don't like the huge headrests. That will mean that any s= eat other than the front will have a blocked view. And again like MF, I do= n't think it's necessary. But it's amazing a coaster of this size is getting built in this economic c= limate. KD has been one of my favorite parks; this is just one more reason= to return. Jay From josh.wozny@gmail.com Fri Aug 21 07:20:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21111 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 14:20:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 14:20:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 14:20:07 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so434339qwk.30 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:19:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.108.138 with SMTP id f10mr741005qap.20.1250864345476; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:19:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0908210719q37823375g74b9566fb46aa37d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=MdhA6Tg_bLPnJPQpaziM0rcBvPxgyKqa_DywlDME7hrRsgV_0w X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny I can't stress this enough. THE PICTURE IS INCORRECT. The restraints will be overhead like that, but will not have the vest part. They will be more like Pilgrims Plunge than they will Kingda Ka or Maverick= . Example: http://z.about.com/d/themeparks/1/0/T/y/HWPP2.jpg Example #2: http://z.about.com/d/themeparks/1/0/S/y/HWPP1.jpg They even put a note on the website that tries to describe this, and everyone is overlooking it, and concentrating on an animation. Since when have press animations been totally accurate? I'm sure that since the train was so similar to Maverick's, they just used that skin in order to save time and money coming up with a brand new design for the rendering. Josh On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:19 AM, jay_ducharme wrote= : > > >> Anyways, it looks like Millennium Force and Maverick had a baby. < > > LOL! That's a great way to describe it. For its size, the ride seems real= ly > short. And apart from the abrupt left/right transitions, it doesn't seem = to > do much. But I guess the only way to tell for sure would be to ride it. := -) > > I'm not too excited about those restraints, though. They remind me of the > old Arrow OTSHs from Loch Ness Monster, which aren't terrible but still c= an > be uncomfortable. And I don't understand the need for them when MF gets b= y > fine with a lap bar and seat belt. > > And I also really don't like the huge headrests. That will mean that any > seat other than the front will have a blocked view. And again like MF, I > don't think it's necessary. > > But it's amazing a coaster of this size is getting built in this economic > climate. KD has been one of my favorite parks; this is just one more reas= on > to return. > > Jay > >=20 From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Aug 21 07:42:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23377 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 14:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 14:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 14:42:02 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so190025fge.11 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:40:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.86.209.23 with SMTP id h23mr952622fgg.22.1250865649754; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:40:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0908210740l347f6e9bt92befb716a40944d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=GXokBC4ryp-c8b47JhJpEk8Uv5AQ7G8h_Ej84ChdRZDIjdc X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Its messed up that the press releasr says over head lapbars but no otsrs. whywould they specifically say that if the ride i going to have the maveric rrestraints, wich clearly are otsrs? That does not make any sense to me, and I wish we could get some more clarification on the issue. I hope the restraints dont kill the ride, because this is the most exciting layout I've seen since maveric had the heatline roll. -mike On 8/21/09, jay_ducharme wrote: >> Anyways, it looks like Millennium Force and Maverick had a baby. < > > LOL! That's a great way to describe it. For its size, the ride seems > really short. And apart from the abrupt left/right transitions, it doesn't > seem to do much. But I guess the only way to tell for sure would be to ride > it. :-) > > I'm not too excited about those restraints, though. They remind me of the > old Arrow OTSHs from Loch Ness Monster, which aren't terrible but still can > be uncomfortable. And I don't understand the need for them when MF gets by > fine with a lap bar and seat belt. > > And I also really don't like the huge headrests. That will mean that any > seat other than the front will have a blocked view. And again like MF, I > don't think it's necessary. > > But it's amazing a coaster of this size is getting built in this economic > climate. KD has been one of my favorite parks; this is just one more reason > to return. > > Jay > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 08:56:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86585 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n61.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.37) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2009 15:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n61.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2009 15:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.107] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2009 15:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2009 15:55:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 554141.79503.bm@omp202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 22419 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2009 15:55:29 -0000 Message-ID: <330727.15265.qm@web45906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ki.APQ8VM1mFPCaUu4.SssGxXWiF_HzHLS0vCpQjKSathHfKsP1lGXXerUfV_h3hmyzc6Rt5hxhOL6wAp.y4bEGVc2y4nzCjPgBC6otYuNV8c9tb0NFXQBloaYneEmYbyzk8pAhM47FDZFXHa0rzjtNpcY4ScYOxDhvn0hJx0FZ4YKIdrt_jYJX_pT8UMYzNArYep5LXVdP_TsRZmQopbjh2f5zAGWGwEPS5rdX1YeN06n4nN5LIdTNk7Sh4dymdia_.iNPws9otNLH4xLao16kfnnS7LyIw8lBHnOE- X-Received: from [63.253.8.66] by web45906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:55:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:55:28 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: biggest loser ever! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=hYeaZmGCEj-AA2gYaqz5gfzwgwkMdCEH2lCJ8tqh0Xw8LaQd3hB_ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Yes, it's coaster related... Some loser ranting on Youtube about KD's new coaster. Hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ_-s8M42p0 From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sat Aug 22 09:14:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15701 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2009 16:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2009 16:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2009 16:14:55 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so835196qwa.60 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:14:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.23.131 with SMTP id r3mr1635326qab.273.1250957655305; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm495084qyk.13.2009.08.22.09.14.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4a901956.9453f10a.6bc1.31c3@mx.google.com> To: Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:14:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 Thread-Index: AcojQSmGf9cRpI0KRH6hlu8tGGVIKQAAmN8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <330727.15265.qm@web45906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: biggest loser ever! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=eXAhUSZ0mrPmW1bgScoO1NTDN03_nhr-lvAyJEZ526oqVK8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was wonderful. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Sat Aug 22 10:03:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76662 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2009 17:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2009 17:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2009 17:03:10 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so872033qwf.44 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:02:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.116.145 with SMTP id m17mr1673199qaq.104.1250960530710; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:02:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4a901956.9453f10a.6bc1.31c3@mx.google.com> References: <330727.15265.qm@web45906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4a901956.9453f10a.6bc1.31c3@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0908221002u1ec49bdds5bd567db5f9f9604@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: biggest loser ever! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=HTsjSnl__Hyjx8i00D9G9NOJfwgFo0zyJpzHl7U36r2ZIOSLnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Hahaha. I decided to leave a very nondescript comment.. On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Adam Sandy wrote: > > > That was wonderful. > > Adam > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Aug 22 10:42:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52191 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2009 17:42:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2009 17:42:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.210.173) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2009 17:42:23 -0000 X-Received: by yxe3 with SMTP id 3so940220yxe.29 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.122.6 with SMTP id z6mr2164642agm.38.1250962937539; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0908210719q37823375g74b9566fb46aa37d@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e1ec0a0908210719q37823375g74b9566fb46aa37d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:42:17 -0700 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=jESoapmD8EUY6q6v7HnWa17PHq9MRkKtO8URBSkj0AKdtowOEHV-_e4 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme >On 8/21/09, Josh W wrote: > I can't stress this enough. THE PICTURE IS INCORRECT. > > The restraints will be overhead like that, but will not have the vest part. > > They will be more like Pilgrims Plunge than they will Kingda Ka or Maverick. > > They even put a note on the website that tries to describe this, and > everyone is overlooking it, and concentrating on an animation. Since > when have press animations been totally accurate? I'm sure that since > the train was so similar to Maverick's, they just used that skin in > order to save time and money coming up with a brand new design for the > rendering. They changed the description on the website to the following: >Vehicles: Four passenger open design trains with overhead lap bar with shoulder straps Sounds like Maverick OTSRs. 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--YCalReminder=XczHN5SBbucssqjK8XR6a4PV1251006639-1-- From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 21:33:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82604 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2009 04:33:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2009 04:33:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f185.google.com) (209.85.210.185) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2009 04:33:21 -0000 X-Received: by yxe15 with SMTP id 15so1588338yxe.5 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.122.6 with SMTP id z6mr3649079agm.38.1251088331495; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A8C7CDA.1030607@aol.com> References: <4A8C7CDA.1030607@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:32:11 -0700 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Timberhawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=owBKZ5OPO1tPGfVkW7RWjMOiOhJNLSs7AWzp4OYl2ZPfwbs7t5hxQMg X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" >> wrote: >> >>> Anyone know anything about Timberhawk at Wild Waves park near Seattle? >>> is it worth the trip? I visited Wave Waves today, so just a quick update. I'd planned on a full photo trip report for each segment of my Pacific NW tour, but I realize now that I forgot the correct USB adapter for my camera, so it'll probably be a while before that happens. Anyways, Timberhawk is about how Nathan described it. It's a fun woodie, but it's certainly geared to be family friendly and it won't knock your socks off. It has a first drop similar to that on Terminator, and the rest of the footprint is somewhat akin to a zippier Belmont Park Giant Dipper (in fact, the height/length stats are almost identical). It's pretty smooth, with only a little shuffling in the turns (because of the long cars, no doubt). I rode it a dozen times, and my preference is definitely for the front car (each train has four 3-bench cars), as it gives a couple decent spots of airtime. Of course, the back gives a somewhat faster ride, but the front-car airtime was much more pronounced. Anyways, I'd recommend it if you have the time and are in the area, but it's definitely not going to break your top 10. As for the park, if you're coming only for the coasters, you should be able to easily hit them all in under a couple hours. I did them all, with three laps on Timberhawk (and two on Wild Thing, as two laps is standard), in about an hour and a half. However, a large part of the park is it's waterpark, and they have a decent number of supporting rides, so you could probably make a full day out if it if you wanted to. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 21:37:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22208 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2009 04:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2009 04:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f190.google.com) (209.85.210.190) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2009 04:37:15 -0000 X-Received: by yxe28 with SMTP id 28so1663269yxe.10 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:36:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.222.1 with SMTP id u1mr3623476agg.103.1251088566228; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:36:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A8C7CDA.1030607@aol.com> References: <4A8C7CDA.1030607@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:36:06 -0700 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Timberhawk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=RqDUK-4GhwR-hOxawriFAvENs0Wd_xSkcfdbVghO3tJRACarlFKCMw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme >> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck" >> wrote: >> >>> Anyone know anything about Timberhawk at Wild Waves park near Seattle? >>> is it worth the trip? I visited Wild Waves today, so here's a quick update. I'd planned on a full photo trip report for each segment of my Pacific NW tour, but I realize now that I forgot the correct USB adapter for my camera, so it'll probably be a while before that happens. Anyways, Timberhawk is about how Nathan described it. It's a fun woodie, but it's certainly geared to be family friendly and it won't knock your socks off. It has a first drop similar to that on Terminator, and the rest of the footprint is somewhat akin to a zippier Belmont Park Giant Dipper (in fact, the height/length stats are almost identical). It's pretty smooth, with only a little shuffling in the turns (because of the long cars, no doubt). I rode it a dozen times, and my preference is definitely for the front car (each train has four 3-bench cars), as it gives a couple decent spots of airtime. Of course, the back gives a somewhat faster ride, but the front-car airtime was much more pronounced. Anyways, I'd recommend it if you have the time and are in the area, as it's fun and re-ridable, but it's definitely not going to break your top 10. As for the park, if you're coming only for the coasters, you should be able to easily hit them all in under a couple hours. I did them all, with three laps on Timberhawk (and two on Wild Thing, as two laps is standard), in about an hour and a half. However, a large part of the park is it's waterpark, and they have a decent number of supporting rides, so you could probably make a full day out if it if you wanted to. -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 13:35:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47287 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2009 20:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2009 20:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2009 20:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2009 20:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2009 20:34:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:34:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Our Northwest vacation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=H1G9LKsd-21ZNi-RKrPBaOlXS1bCuRFfvmX9sQ-2g2buVm6rP_cB X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck As I mentioned earlier, we were just on vacation in the Pacific Northwest. = It was an amazing vacation but I will just talk about the rollercoaster pa= rts. A friend of ours showed us around Portland and we made a quick stop at Oaks= park. Well, as quick as we could, it was very crowded. The kiddie coaste= r there was pretty awesome for a kiddie. William and I both enjoyed it. T= he Looping star was quite awful. I'm not sure I have ridden one of these b= efore. But hey, it's a credit. Unfortunately, William could not ride it.= Other than that, we hit up just a few more rides there and left. We were= being shown aroung the city and did not want to waste too much time.=20=20 While in Portland you absolutely MUST go to Voodoo Donuts. Best donuts I'v= e ever had in my life, and there are so many varieties. Such as maple bars= with strips of bacon on them. Or Chocolate with Oreos and Peanut butter d= rizzled on them. We went to Silverwood as well. I have mixed reviews of this place. For on= e, it was very crowded. And more importantly than that, what the fuck is u= p with having only one train on their wooden coasters? I don't mean one tr= ain operation, I mean they were built with only one train. I give them the= benefit of the doubt that they don't normally experience this type of crow= d, but they were doing slow dispatches too. What would have been short wai= ts were 45 minutes apiece for both woodies. Therefore we only got one ride= each on Tremors and Timber Terror. This was very disappointing to me, because I had planned on riding them wit= h William multiple times.=20=20 Timber Terror Was okay. I guess it's good for the area, but it was ust an = out and back with some air. Whatever, Certainly not worth the trip. Fron= t seat ride, btw. Tremors was another story. To be honest, I wanted to hate it. The lines w= ere so long and I was pretty pissed off at the park by the time we got to i= t. We rode it in the front seat as well. This ride was amazing! It is pr= etty much the perfect woodie for me. It was smooth, had great air, twists = and turns, and the most important thing of all, good pacing. (perhaps I'll= start a thread on pacing later.) It would probably be a top woodie for me= if I had gotten more rides on it.=20=20 We looked at taking a second ride in the evening, but the line was stretchi= ng to probably an hour at that point. Even William hated the corkscrew. But what had me the most excited about visiting Silverwood was the opportun= ity to ride a truely "big kid" ride with William. Aftershock, (Deja Vu) wa= s only a 48 inch height requirement. While this seemed absurd to me, I was= excited to ride it with him. This was one of the first rides of the day f= or us and amazingly, it had shorter lines than either of the woodies. (pat= hetic isn't it?) William had been excited to ride this for weeks. Ever si= nce we started planning the trip. (We plan our trips on short notice usual= ly)=20=20 When we got in line, he decided to chicken out after watching it go through= the course a few times. But I told him he would just have to wait through= the line with me. I was not about to leave the line so he could go back t= o Mommy, and I knew I could convince him to change his mind. Eventually, a= s we got closer, he did change his mind and decided to ride. We took a rid= e towards the middle-back, and he absolutely loved it! We took a second ri= de in the evening to close out our day. This ride is a good fit for the pa= rk, as it is something a park of that size could probably never get otherwi= se. It was closed for the first hour or so, but was operational all the re= st of the day. So obviously Silverwood knows something Six Flags doesn't. = =20 Our day at Silverwood was just okay. I really wanted to enjoy myself, but = just could not help but get pissed off at the poor operations on the woodie= s. Although we spent the whole day there, we did not get to do much. I wo= uld love to ride Tremors multiple times, but that was not going to happen. = And I just don't think we'll be going back to CDA any time soon. Although= it's a very nice city, we've done it now. In Seattle, we did make it to the Space Needle. William was not tall enoug= h for the Windstorm, and I already had that credit, so we both took a ride = on the Kiddie. (I did not ride that when I was there with friends years ag= o. I guess I didn't want to be ridiculed that much. ) It was pretty fun,= reminded me of HSTC. That's it as far as coasters go. After checking the website at Wild Waves,= there was no way we were going to waste money on that place. It would hav= e been just a run in, but they did not have pricing options to do that, and= it looked like they did not have that many good rides anyways.=20=20 So that was the coaster portions of our trip, but in reality, this was not = a coaster trip and I'd have to say that Silverwood was towards the bottom o= f the list of things that we did.=20=20 We also toured the Columbia River Gorge and it's waterfalls. We rode ATVs = in the mountains of Couer D'Alene, hiked at Lake CDA, and visited Mt St Hel= ens. Our rental car was a convertible (free upgrade!) so even the driving = (1200 miles total) was awesome!=20 Razzle Dazzle bitches, -Tommytheduck From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Tue Aug 25 07:21:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17388 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2009 14:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2009 14:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2009 14:21:30 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id s4so10406gve.40 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:21:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.239.138.12 with SMTP id n12mr698300hbn.69.1251210072804; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:21:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76e1ec0a0908210719q37823375g74b9566fb46aa37d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0908250721r3ca13bf4t73695047d2051d09@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: KDs new monster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=iFsyd1b3khdy2w0gumcTKKviza18nGx0NXgma9JKXNv8oaA X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Now another restraint rumor going around is that the shoulder straps will be padded seatbelt type things, like what is found on the new Tornado at Bakken. After watching the pov, if this is true, I'll be much happier than if it was the KK/Maveric restraints. They dont seem to have anyimpact on the necck and not too much force on the shoulders. Also, that tornado looks really bad-ass for a spinning coaster. On 8/22/09, Ryan Snooks wrote: >>On 8/21/09, Josh W wrote: >> I can't stress this enough. THE PICTURE IS INCORRECT. >> >> The restraints will be overhead like that, but will not have the vest >> part. >> >> They will be more like Pilgrims Plunge than they will Kingda Ka or >> Maverick. >> >> They even put a note on the website that tries to describe this, and >> everyone is overlooking it, and concentrating on an animation. Since >> when have press animations been totally accurate? I'm sure that since >> the train was so similar to Maverick's, they just used that skin in >> order to save time and money coming up with a brand new design for the >> rendering. > > They changed the description on the website to the following: > >>Vehicles: Four passenger open design trains with overhead lap bar with >> shoulder straps > > Sounds like Maverick OTSRs. And the thing about them not changing the > train rendering doesn't seem correct, since they did change it to > match the Nascar theme. > > -- > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@gmail.com > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 18:56:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70170 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2009 01:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2009 01:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2009 01:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2009 01:55:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2009 01:55:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2009 01:55:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:55:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.253.29 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Our Northwest vacation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=PsGkw7cwuARVYZ3mGNtol5CGSe1put1Y7ACtGOkX1LqviLwLqSaT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Wow, Tommy! I'm sure it's a trip your son will remember for a long time. > A friend of ours showed us around Portland and we made a quick stop at Oa= ks park. Well, as quick as we could, it was very crowded. < It's good to hear that the smaller parks are remaining popular. Oaks was f= amous for being the home to one of Harry Traver's most bizarre creations, t= he Zip. It resembled one of his Cyclones that had gotten caught in a trash= compactor. > While in Portland you absolutely MUST go to Voodoo Donuts. < Mmmmmmmm ... donuts. > We went to Silverwood as well. < It sounds like the park just wasn't prepared to deal with crowds that thick= . It's a good sign that they're busy, but too much waiting will turn peopl= e off. Glad you at least got to ride the coasters. Jay From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Aug 31 17:34:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1083 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2009 00:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2009 00:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f195.google.com) (209.85.211.195) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2009 00:34:00 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f195.google.com with SMTP id 33so6637310ywh.18 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:34:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.246.1 with SMTP id t1mr4520226agh.96.1251765239858; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:33:59 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0908311733u755a8d51k2b96576c5add756@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: NEWS: Disney Acquires Marvel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=_kMFXlzyC709w6TKnq-vL3Zzp7TeHltkjOyPxWn9WGTEy80 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/31/disney-acquires-marvel-fo_n_272608.html I wonder how this will change things at Universal's IOA?! Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 19:22:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68462 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2009 02:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2009 02:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.219) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2009 02:22:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 983 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2009 02:22:37 -0000 Message-ID: <453469.481.qm@web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dj2zgwEVM1lTkFseA1vFmfkSb_wlumbfy5fursqZQdofeIRQGGsy_KodWaCV8lhYiFrr_.QO5IqNNAjse7QisBJY0BbDiP4KDHH6CQzX932QstgWO7s8Yqx7g0J1c4tPUoDAsgPLo3c3kOhatnN4yO1OCuwx4Cib2ZbJj2xjfBqWl_su2eoA6zwS0E_sxKIAyUfibDNXRmE9AZScWqNaMrSkeFexYYTNveJWVwkTHGRW0jQ_be2fkruhNMbB0E2h2OPdkMZ4CFWZP0jD.iZY8gGUPADUiP2uwdPt7JC6r.qzDTTTLt4i8DQ.DRktQBSZRhtKkzA5MpapgPkbJ2p4Z4rfQlrZiSylFvHN5clhqJ.F6TM44fyf.1u_NawOvChAKfz2QQ-- X-Received: from [24.255.111.194] by web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:22:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:22:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0908311733u755a8d51k2b96576c5add756@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney Acquires Marvel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=zzjLYomg6mD1Mu-btuemF6uek4Q1D2O9DBeUa8sWQzcl_WfD X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've often said Disney is trying to take over the world. Now they have muta= nts on their side... lata, jeremy --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Adam Sandy wrote: From: Adam Sandy Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney Acquires Marvel To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 8:33 PM =A0 =20=20=20=20 http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2009/08/31/ disney-acquir= es- marvel-fo_ n_272608. html I wonder how this will change things at Universal's IOA?! Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Tue Sep 01 06:48:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 532 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2009 13:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2009 13:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.59.211) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2009 13:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bQZF1c01G1ei1Bg5BRodTP; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:48:37 +0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([76.120.238.192]) by OMTA24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bRsn1c00449lS3w3kRsnk8; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:52:56 +0000 Message-Id: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0908311733u755a8d51k2b96576c5add756@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:53:59 -0400 References: <165816ef0908311733u755a8d51k2b96576c5add756@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.59.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney Acquires Marvel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=HZEJ3qDbCeZGroRXz9_cdD2KvcFvQ-GdtnRL6HkDFlOkQlHxGnZW X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/31/disney-acquires-marvel-fo_n_2726= 08.html > I wonder how this will change things at Universal's IOA?! From an article on the new york times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/b= usiness/media/01disney.html?_r=3D1&hpw=20 ): Certain Marvel characters can be immediately integrated into Disney=92s = =20 theme parks in California, Paris and Hong Kong. (For now, Walt Disney=20=20 World in Florida is off limits because of a pact Marvel has in place=20=20 with Universal Studios there.) I'm not really sure why Disney would want to buy Marvel. I think it's=20=20 a pretty stupid decision on both sides. There were some interesting=20=20 quotes on this article from Iger ( http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/31/news/com= panies/disney_marvel/index.htm?postversion=3D2009083115=20 ): "This is perfect from a strategic perspective," Disney Chief Executive=20=20 Robert Iger told CNNMoney.com. "This treasure trove of over 5,000=20=20 characters offers Disney the ability to do what we do best." ... The=20=20 deal would give Disney some content that appeals more to boys, a=20=20 market it has been looking to develop, Iger said I think my respect for Iger is gone after hearing that... it's pretty=20=20 sad that Disney has to buy a company to get characters, rather than=20=20 create them themselves, or go after markets they can compete in other=20=20 ways, or not compete in at all. Like how about instead of making=20=20 movies aimed directly at kids, they make good movies that appeal to=20=20 everyone? What ever happened to sports movies like the mighty ducks? = =20 Why did they sell the Anaheim Angels or the mighty ducks? What do=20=20 comic book characters have to do with a Disney park anyways? I don't=20=20 really get it. The only good thing is that it was Marvel and not DC comics. I'd be=20=20 really pissed if I saw Batman next to Mickey Mouse. - Mike From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Sep 01 07:27:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67104 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2009 14:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2009 14:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f184.google.com) (209.85.212.184) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2009 14:27:47 -0000 X-Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14so36481vws.6 for ; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.108.106 with SMTP id e42mr8730306vcp.77.1251815255765; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <165816ef0908311733u755a8d51k2b96576c5add756@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:27:35 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney Acquires Marvel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=jZqO_kI12p0eriQ0uEIYaqog_RM2WDTcxi9TGxdaRwfNaxuY56PkQQs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I think my respect for Iger is gone after hearing that... it's pretty > sad that Disney has to buy a company to get characters, rather than > create them themselves, or go after markets they can compete in other > ways, or not compete in at all. Disney acquired the company, not just the characters. This probably has nothing whatsoever to do with the Walt Disney theme parks. Remember that Disney is a huge entertainment and media corporation. Just because there's now another division of that corporation doesn't mean it's going to have any affect on the parks. It just means they're going to be raking in cash from the sale of Marvel products and films. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 01 09:36:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30298 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2009 16:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2009 16:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2009 16:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MiWLQ-0001N1-KR for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:36:32 -0400 Message-ID: <4A9D4D7A.3050801@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:36:10 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <165816ef0908311733u755a8d51k2b96576c5add756@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478becee1f735abe7bd5035f46e80ef7bdaa1fec5f4671f2334350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disney Acquires Marvel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=I8gg0N7ca5wZ17-OaViJGn7_NC_oDeR6kdauCuJcamgffpU X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash This has been getting quite a bit of conversation around work at WDW as you can well imagine. Mike Filippone wrote: >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/31/disney-acquires-marvel-fo_n_272608.html >> I wonder how this will change things at Universal's IOA?! > > From an article on the new york times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/business/media/01disney.html?_r=1&hpw > ): > > Certain Marvel characters can be immediately integrated into Disney’s > theme parks in California, Paris and Hong Kong. (For now, Walt Disney > World in Florida is off limits because of a pact Marvel has in place > with Universal Studios there.) > Mostly true. As I understand it Marvel characters that are not already in use at Universal can possibly be used by the Disney parks in Florida, but there's some ambiguity on that. But the characters that Universal are using are theirs as long as they want them, in perpetuity, and exclusively east of the Mississippi. > > I'm not really sure why Disney would want to buy Marvel. I think it's > a pretty stupid decision on both sides. > "This is perfect from a strategic perspective," Disney Chief Executive > Robert Iger told CNNMoney.com. "This treasure trove of over 5,000 > characters offers Disney the ability to do what we do best." ... The > deal would give Disney some content that appeals more to boys, a > market it has been looking to develop, Iger said Outside of pirates, Disney doesn't have much to offer boys that are older than, say, 12. This gives them a huge way to reach into that market. It allows characters and attractions in the parks, but more importantly it puts them in reach in the movies, tv shows, cable shows, and a wide range of other products there. It gives them a lot of options on things they can do with those characters. > Like how about instead of making > movies aimed directly at kids, they make good movies that appeal to > everyone? The marvel heros do almost exactly that though, hence a major reason why those movies have done so well. What ever happened to sports movies like the mighty ducks? After the first one they got pretty stupid, and very cliche, very quickly. It's hard to make a decent family sports film that hasn't already been done multiple times in various ways. > Why did they sell the Anaheim Angels or the mighty ducks? To much of a distraction to their core businesses, and it wasn't helping their overall picture really. Sports teams don't blend well with other areas like TV, networks, programming, and parks. It also caused some conflicts of interest. While it made money, it just caused a lot of hassles and other issues they didn't anticipate. What do > comic book characters have to do with a Disney park anyways? I don't > really get it. There's so much more to this deal, and to Disney as a whole, than parks Look at the broad scope and it can make more sense. I agree, on first glance it doesn't seem like a fit. It caught many of us at WDW by surprise, and gave a good bit of shock. But you could see that the more people started thinking about it, mulling it over, brainstorming, you could start to see a lot of potential in there. for example- and this are just totally random brainstorms from a few CM's with no basis in reality: If they lose GM's sponsorship of Test Track, which looks like it's fairly likely, they're going to have to redo that entire ride. How cool would it be to make it themed to some of the marvel characters? A romp in a souped up car through some city with the heros fighting around, and a meet and greet or other interactions as you're leaving through what used to be the showroom? Streets of America at Studios could easily be rethemed to fit in with the marvel characters. You're sure to see a lot more movie tie-ins at the parks. A lot more marketing of many of the marvel properties. Perhaps expansions on the books, comics, and cartoons- and see them airing on ABC, DisneyChannel, and others they own. There are others out there as well. 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--YCalReminder=p170TVtY7oGyJyp7OebpUIvOjYLS1251870675-1-- From sonbeast1964@yahoo.com Wed Sep 02 03:07:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonbeast1964@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62867 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2009 10:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2009 10:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2009 10:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2009 10:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2009 10:07:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:07:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1251870718.506.38904.m8@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.9.253 From: "sonbeast1964" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=299282542; y=dYjW1ABW6pNm9A3m1b_fCgi4i2RtXANocBZiwmXqwlkwvN5JxcHq X-Yahoo-Profile: sonbeast1964 > Crystal Beach Cyclone closed > Wednesday September 2, 2009 > All Day > (This event repeats every year.) > Location: Crystal Beach, Ontario, Canada >=20 > Notes: > The Crystal Beach Cyclone closed on this date in 1946, at Crystal Beach, = in Crystal Beach, Ontario. >=20 >=20 >Of all the coasters I've read about over the years which are now defunct, = the Crystal Beach Cyclone is the ONE I would give ny (proverbial) right arm= to have rode. Mike From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Sep 02 03:53:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82029 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2009 10:53:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2009 10:53:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f220.google.com) (209.85.220.220) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2009 10:53:51 -0000 X-Received: by fxm20 with SMTP id 20so681219fxm.24 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:53:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.86.228.3 with SMTP id a3mr2415963fgh.51.1251888379894; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:46:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1251870718.506.38904.m8@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 06:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0909020346o15cfa92cmb1448b1ca4cbcc96@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=uZwFsnej7GvGSfjX5KoqFL_oUuRkvc1LX7lYoNDQx6OxxDs X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Psssh, that coaster was just a clone. Seriously though, I got my first ride on the Comet since 1997/1998, and I didn't really notice where it was reprofiled. It rode pretty nicely in the front seat, and had some decent air scattered throughout the course. I wasn't really a coaster tool back then, so I'm not really sure if it gave more air back in the day, but it was a very enjoyable ride. A friend of mine rode it in the back seat and said he got tossed all over the place and a little beaten up, but he enjoyed it as well. We only took one lap, but it was a really decent ride. Not mind-blowingly great like I remember back when it was the only schmeck under my belt, but a solid ride none the less. Picked up a new credit while I was there as well, and boy does canyon blaster suck. What a pointless freaking ride. The park overall felt really empty, both in terms of the amount of people there and the amount of stuff to do while you were there. I felt like a lot of the old rides I remember loving were long gone. Sasquatch seemed like a great addition to the park, and the view of the adirondacks from the top was stunning...but the plastered advertisements really threw me off. I thought Great Escape was one of the last ones to hold out against the onslaught. Either way, it's still a nice park with a pretty terrible collection except for the pretty good Comet. It was great to get out to Lake George again (this was my bachelor party, I made them go to Great Escape on Sunday morning before we headed back to CT). Now just 4 days left until the wedding. -Mike On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:07 AM, sonbeast1964 wrote: > > >> Crystal Beach Cyclone closed >> Wednesday September 2, 2009 >> All Day >> (This event repeats every year.) > >> Location: Crystal Beach, Ontario, Canada >> >> Notes: >> The Crystal Beach Cyclone closed on this date in 1946, at Crystal Beach, >> in Crystal Beach, Ontario. >> >> >>Of all the coasters I've read about over the years which are now defunct, >> the Crystal Beach Cyclone is the ONE I would give ny (proverbial) right = arm >> to have rode. > > Mike > >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Sep 02 07:07:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85462 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2009 14:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2009 14:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f193.google.com) (209.85.212.193) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2009 14:07:34 -0000 X-Received: by vws31 with SMTP id 31so768776vws.28 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:06:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.102.2 with SMTP id e2mr10853124vco.41.1251900394093; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:06:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0909020346o15cfa92cmb1448b1ca4cbcc96@mail.gmail.com> References: <1251870718.506.38904.m8@yahoogroups.com> <6ab4641f0909020346o15cfa92cmb1448b1ca4cbcc96@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=KJXqKEDqJl_N2PmNLg82AgaVgA03X9tZTTUcBRA_hLd_dzCzjaQHir0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Seriously though, I got my first ride on the Comet since 1997/1998, > and I didn't really notice where it was reprofiled. I don't believe the Comet was ever reprofiled. There was some minor trackwork that was done that a select few (very vocal) enthusiasts started screaming about, but it was not a reprofile. Specifically, I believe the most that was done was changing the banking on a small section of track by a few degrees. > Picked up a new credit while I was there as well, and boy does canyon > blaster suck. What a pointless freaking ride. Oh, I thought it was a pretty nice addition to the park. When you keep the park's target audience in mind, I think it makes a lot of sense. It's better than a kiddie coaster, but nothing the whole family can't ride. Yeah, it's short and pretty blah to a coaster fan, but I enjoyed the triple helix. > The park overall felt really empty, both in terms of the amount of > people there and the amount of stuff to do while you were there. I > felt like a lot of the old rides I remember loving were long gone. Like what? I don't think there's really been a ton of things pulled from the park over the last few years. They lost a couple of major thrill rides, but they've added a couple too. I spent a lot of time at the Great Escape a few years ago, and I really enjoyed the place. There's certainly nothing overwhelmingly exciting about the park, but I think it works well for the audience they're pulling in. -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Sep 02 09:18:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33318 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2009 16:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2009 16:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2009 16:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2009 16:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2009 16:17:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:17:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0909020346o15cfa92cmb1448b1ca4cbcc96@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=UsUGD7pdheEje68tfgS3I2YVe96OVbYqncTogqThE1Sv7hqDQhX0 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > (this was my bachelor party, I made them go to Great > Escape on Sunday morning before we headed back to CT). Now just 4 > days left until the wedding. >=20 > -Mike Must have been a pretty lame bachelor party if you could ride coasters the = next day... hehe...=20=20 Just think... in a few more days, you'll be able to post about VBUADOML and= not even George can complain! -Brian F. (tommytheduck) From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Sep 02 09:30:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18113 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2009 16:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2009 16:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2009 16:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2009 16:29:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2009 16:29:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:29:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney Acquires Marvel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=AljvY9q4YyOqQh-Ry8cM0kJKMzvy_-mktwBJycGuf3GcNq7Li9Ff X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > Disney acquired the company, not just the characters. This probably > has nothing whatsoever to do with the Walt Disney theme parks. > Remember that Disney is a huge entertainment and media corporation. > Just because there's now another division of that corporation doesn't > mean it's going to have any affect on the parks. It just means > they're going to be raking in cash from the sale of Marvel products > and films. >=20 > -Nate Yeah. I mean really, what *doesn't* Disney own?=20=20 > Outside of pirates, Disney doesn't have much to offer boys that are=20 > older than, say, 12. This gives them a huge way to reach into that=20 > market. It allows characters and attractions in the parks, but more=20 > importantly it puts them in reach in the movies, tv shows, cable shows,=20 > and a wide range of other products there.=20=20 They own ABC, but we haven't seen them install a "Desperate Housewives" rid= e, even though it would appeal to all trophy wives and soccer moms who brin= g their kids there alone. > If they lose GM's sponsorship of Test Track, which looks like it's=20 > fairly likely, they're going to have to redo that entire ride.=20=20 Or they could just get Toyota, Honda, etc. You know, someone who builds ca= rs that people actually want to drive. > How cool=20 > would it be to make it themed to some of the marvel characters? A romp=20 > in a souped up car through some city with the heros fighting around, and= =20 > a meet and greet or other interactions as you're leaving through what use= d to be the showroom? Nope... That would be the Spider-Man ride next door at IOA. Nothing will change much at the parks. (my prediction only of course) The= parks are solid and are in no need of becoming IOA junior. It's simply an= aquisition to add into their media empire. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 03 07:37:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52848 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 14:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 14:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f188.google.com) (209.85.212.188) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 14:37:44 -0000 X-Received: by vws26 with SMTP id 26so1616414vws.26 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:36:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.69.69 with SMTP id y5mr13174440vci.118.1251988616827; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:36:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: coastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: NEWS: New rides at Cedar Point & Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=K0SCX-iAMFwe10so5PMF5cNGm-TntjIgf-nf9qI6dstNdNOw-QezbLY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Cedar Point has announced their new-for-2010 Intamin flume ride, Shoot the Rapids. http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/park/rides/water/shoot_the_rapids/ This is just about the most perfect addition they could have picked for the park, IMO. Nice work. Also, since I don't believe it's been posted here yet, Carowinds announced their new B&M hypercoaster last week: http://intimidator.carowinds.com/ "Blah" to this one. -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Sep 03 08:30:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36155 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 15:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 15:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 15:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2009 15:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2009 15:29:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:29:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: NEWS: New rides at Cedar Point & Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=z3tqRSSqIqhI85dzmeLXQyLBt4ajz7Ydy8wlaoj60U9O1tE113yF X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > Cedar Point has announced their new-for-2010 Intamin flume ride, Shoot > the Rapids. > http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/park/rides/water/shoot_the_rapids/ >=20 > This is just about the most perfect addition they could have picked > for the park, IMO. Nice work. I'm so totally counting that!!! See the track on the drops? Just like Jou= rney to Atlantis.=20=20 Seriously though, it is a good addition to the park. Only complaints are t= hat it looks kinda short (especially for the lines it will pull) and that y= ou will get too wet. Log Flumes to me have always been the *safe* water ri= des. You know... The kid wants to get wet, but you don't so you compromise= with a nice Log Flume and get a few drops on you. This one looks as wet a= s Dudley Do-Right. -Brian F. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 03 08:46:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96870 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 15:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 15:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f175.google.com) (209.85.212.175) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 15:46:39 -0000 X-Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so32812vws.32 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:45:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.80.40 with SMTP id r40mr13365721vck.117.1251992725922; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:45:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:45:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: New rides at Cedar Point & Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=WkgTRXWiNR7atzXIzcXP4g0itKJpKYwEazUvsFlNR5cDW0aUCvQT0Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Seriously though, it is a good addition to the park. Only complaints are > that it looks kinda short (especially for the lines it will pull) and that > you will get too wet. Log Flumes to me have always been the *safe* water > rides. You know... The kid wants to get wet, but you don't so you compromise > with a nice Log Flume and get a few drops on you. This one looks as wet as > Dudley Do-Right. If it's anything like Pilgrims Plunge, you won't get wet from the splash/spray. But some of those effects look like they're going to drench everyone. I guess we'll have to wait and see if all of that materializes. My only complaints are fairly minor. I think it's odd that the first drop is the big one and the final drop is fairly small (seems backward to me). I also don't get Intamin's unnecessary use of shoulder straps on these rides. The lapbars alone would be just fine. -Nate From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Sep 03 08:50:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28053 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 15:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 15:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 15:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n83FoF2Z012294 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:50:15 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c81.598e4d0a (39332) for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:50:10 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: New rides at Cedar Point & Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=8oGSOl7BCjFY1FlU8uJbPoVDfAXkcsVcz1T6aJ9rreaFEp2IMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/2009 11:47:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, natekohlrusch@gmail.com writes: "My only complaints are fairly minor. I think it's odd that the first drop is the big one and the final drop is fairly small (seems backward to me). I also don't get Intamin's unnecessary use of shoulder straps on these rides. The lapbars alone would be just fine." It seems to me that Intamin has gotten OTSR happy lately. Just about eve rything they are building has them. I dont think some of these things really need them, like Intimidator305. Totally unnecessary. -Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Sep 03 10:36:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47342 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 17:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 17:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 17:35:58 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so40683qwh.53 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.30.196 with SMTP id v4mr6528898qac.343.1251999294985; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:34:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:34:54 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0909031034i5783870am55a96ab8959d09a9@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: New rides at Cedar Point & Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=nyTK_dCz_d99yG-ol6k-YHCubMxMTOyGtt6Iz8VrfSOo0lxeAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Where do you see shoulder straps on this one? These boats are identical to the Pilgrims Plunge boats. They have a lap bar only. It comes down overhead, but there aren't straps on it. Josh On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Nate Kohlrusch wr= ote: > > >> Seriously though, it is a good addition to the park. Only complaints are >> that it looks kinda short (especially for the lines it will pull) and th= at >> you will get too wet. Log Flumes to me have always been the *safe* water >> rides. You know... The kid wants to get wet, but you don't so you >> compromise >> with a nice Log Flume and get a few drops on you. This one looks as wet = as >> Dudley Do-Right. > > If it's anything like Pilgrims Plunge, you won't get wet from the > splash/spray. But some of those effects look like they're going to > drench everyone. I guess we'll have to wait and see if all of that > materializes. > > My only complaints are fairly minor. I think it's odd that the first > drop is the big one and the final drop is fairly small (seems backward > to me). I also don't get Intamin's unnecessary use of shoulder straps > on these rides. The lapbars alone would be just fine. > > -Nate >=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 03 11:32:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58374 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 18:32:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 18:32:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f181.google.com) (209.85.212.181) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 18:32:17 -0000 X-Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so179456vws.9 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.69.69 with SMTP id y5mr13610314vci.118.1252002677578; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0909031034i5783870am55a96ab8959d09a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e1ec0a0909031034i5783870am55a96ab8959d09a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:31:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: New rides at Cedar Point & Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=xHucTdX5haNkW2yqfVYt38VPfOsC2CGs47M7sw3sYuYrvdXZA0UqJsk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Where do you see shoulder straps on this one? That was my bad. I could have sworn I read this would have shoulder straps, but I see now that you are correct. These restraints should be identical to those on Pilgrims Plunge (which is fine). Still think the straps are unnecessary and obstructive on I-305 though. :) -Nate From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Sep 03 22:51:28 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91636 invoked by uid 7800); 4 Sep 2009 05:51:25 -0000 Date: 4 Sep 2009 05:51:25 -0000 Message-ID: <1252043485.15.91635.m3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=VV8meKc7zzxjNxEa8B3H8xuQrZgzBZY1252043465-1" --YCalReminder=VV8meKc7zzxjNxEa8B3H8xuQrZgzBZY1252043465-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! 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--YCalReminder=VEk2ADs6sZMqJkgSrV37YW1252043465-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 06 15:38:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88189 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2009 22:37:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2009 22:37:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2009 22:37:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2009 22:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2009 22:37:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:37:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.225.62 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=RxI6454UjHCDTOsYOIqmT_3VwATntWASVie5Jqe1DK7jyJbeCM70 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >Of all the coasters I've read about over the years which are now defunct, = the Crystal Beach Cyclone is the ONE I would give ny (proverbial) right arm= to have rode.< You probably would have given more than that if you actually rode it, Mike.= :-) I would have loved to *watch* that coaster, but I don't think I ever would = have ridden it (if I knew what I know now). The CI Cyclone was about as cl= ose as I'll come to that experience. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 06 15:46:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8975 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2009 22:46:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2009 22:46:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2009 22:46:18 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2009 22:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2009 22:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2009 22:45:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:45:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.225.62 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: New rides at Cedar Point & Carowinds X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=LB_sSTUOELICd6ylacgqlYuKXTRwV8leT7MTgBXp8XbtEHoimi-v X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'm really happy they're putting this into the Frontier Trail section. I w= as really bummed when their wonderful log flume was demolished. I'm not re= ally bothered by the water stunts on the ride. While in one way it's gimmi= cky (and looks completely drenching), it's also controllable so that on coo= ler days the effects can be turned off (I would hope). Jay From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Fri Sep 11 22:51:23 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14393 invoked by uid 7800); 12 Sep 2009 05:51:17 -0000 Date: 12 Sep 2009 05:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1252734677.501.14390.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=gyp4lzp7xnJ9HBMx34Bi12McCND1252734654-1" --YCalReminder=gyp4lzp7xnJ9HBMx34Bi12McCND1252734654-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Hong Kong Disneyland opened Saturday September 12, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Lantau Island, Hong Kong, China Notes: On this date in 2005, Hong Kong Disneyland opened its gates, in Lantau Island, Hong Kong, China. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=gyp4lzp7xnJ9HBMx34Bi12McCND1252734654-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=gyp4lzp7xnJ9HBMx34Bi12McCND1252734654-1-- From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Sep 16 10:17:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18279 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2009 17:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2009 17:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f205.google.com) (209.85.220.205) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2009 17:14:31 -0000 X-Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so5329802fxm.31 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:13:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.239.183.23 with SMTP id s23mr855946hbg.56.1253121193074; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:13:13 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> To: rollercoastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=ub8BdPDIM-AHRzf3cY16a0_JfudN-bBbGubGizAocc7O0MU X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska First off, as those of you who are facebook friends probably noticed through the onslaught of pictures, I am now a happily married man. Erin and I returned from our roller-coaster-free honeymoon Monday night, and now its time for the leaves to change and the evr so quiet roller coaster season to come to an end. So who else is with me in ending the season right with a nice weekend roadtrip centered on PPP? Our plans are loose right now, but we're going to plan for SFGrAdv on Friday night, in the hopes that it will be as dead as usually for the PPP Friday. Followed of course by PPP on Saturday, and then most likely Dorney on Sunday. We'll probably be staying with friends for Friday, and in the Allingtown area for Saturday night. Who else is going to be at any of these parks, or at the event? Anyone have any good/cheap hotel recommendations for the Dorney area? Should we schedule any sort of meet up, or just bump into each other by chance? MikeSka -Tulum, Mexico was absolutely beautiful...and Dreams Tulum was amazing. I would highly reccomend it. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Sep 16 12:06:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51499 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2009 19:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2009 19:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2009 19:06:30 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1414385qwi.15 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:06:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.10.147 with SMTP id p19mr7779044qap.166.1253127988869; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:06:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:06:28 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0909161206k19006744x30192a0c936cb750@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=ZYGhNl99W46kmH9VmNMJmpJtVKq_bSpxT-rc2kIpmHlt8xBPzg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miiiiiike! I was gonna email you and see if you were going. After a 4 year hiatus (or maybe it was 3) - I'll be going. It's still up in the air as to whether or not wife and dogs will be joining. Josh On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Michael Cowan wrote: > > > First off, as those of you who are facebook friends probably noticed > through the onslaught of pictures, I am now a happily married man. > Erin and I returned from our roller-coaster-free honeymoon Monday > night, and now its time for the leaves to change and the evr so quiet > roller coaster season to come to an end. > > So who else is with me in ending the season right with a nice weekend > roadtrip centered on PPP? Our plans are loose right now, but we're > going to plan for SFGrAdv on Friday night, in the hopes that it will > be as dead as usually for the PPP Friday. Followed of course by PPP > on Saturday, and then most likely Dorney on Sunday. We'll probably be > staying with friends for Friday, and in the Allingtown area for > Saturday night. > > Who else is going to be at any of these parks, or at the event? > Anyone have any good/cheap hotel recommendations for the Dorney area? > Should we schedule any sort of meet up, or just bump into each other > by chance? > > MikeSka > -Tulum, Mexico was absolutely beautiful...and Dreams Tulum was > amazing. I would highly reccomend it. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Sep 16 13:29:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4544 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2009 20:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2009 20:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f199.google.com) (209.85.212.199) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2009 20:29:51 -0000 X-Received: by vws37 with SMTP id 37so1716839vws.27 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:29:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.14.33 with SMTP id e33mr13336329vca.39.1253132966113; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:29:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0909161206k19006744x30192a0c936cb750@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0909161206k19006744x30192a0c936cb750@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:29:26 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=TQKWOY3-xuvJ9I0yUX_Q5rUBV1hJp2o89s-kHCJT2bzBliN5waXxZi8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > First off, as those of you who are facebook friends probably noticed > > through the onslaught of pictures, I am now a happily married man. Congrats Mike! > > So who else is with me in ending the season right with a nice weekend > > roadtrip centered on PPP? We really wanted to go this year, and I even took the time off work in anticipation of attending. Unfortunately, those plans fell through as we're finally moving out of Madison. Maybe next year. It's been too long, and I'm really itching to get back to SFGAdv. Either way, I'm sure the Flying Turns will still be under construction by then. :) > > -Tulum, Mexico was absolutely beautiful...and Dreams Tulum was > > amazing. I would highly reccomend it. I love the Riviera Maya. I wish I would have known you were going, as I would have recommended doing what we did and hire a private guide for the day. We saw a lot of really cool stuff and did a lot of snorkeling and such, and it was super cheap. I'm sure you had fun though. :) -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Sep 16 13:42:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8752 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2009 20:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2009 20:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f201.google.com) (209.85.211.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2009 20:42:39 -0000 X-Received: by ywh39 with SMTP id 39so983690ywh.12 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:42:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.217.3 with SMTP id p3mr5626970agg.22.1253133736549; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:42:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0909161206k19006744x30192a0c936cb750@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:42:16 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0909161342p4717895dn722905a6f89f022e@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=TUlJABPtGgntYpGN7ccug4gZENcYWDX3NHC2VPsu47arHN0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice, I haven't been to Mexico in a few years. Congrats on the wedding. We owned a house and dog beforehand so I can't say it was a big change in lifestyle. Incidentally, we just got back from our honeymoon (2 weeks in Japan), we did ours several months after the wedding ( http://sanosandy.smugmug.com/ if you are beyond bored at work). In Japan I did sneak onto a few coasters (it's not my fault they just stick them up in the middle of the city!). Pictures of those will be up when I get some time. Coasters aside, most of our time was spent seeing a bunch of old cool shit, wacky Japanese people, eating too much, and doing some shopping. Was going to do Disney but the plans fell through, if we go back sooner than later as we hope to (thank you frequent flyer miles) I think I will be taking the nieces and nephews who live in Tokyo to Disney. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Wed Sep 16 22:51:15 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52667 invoked by uid 7800); 17 Sep 2009 05:51:12 -0000 Date: 17 Sep 2009 05:51:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1253166672.9.52666.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=DDui4ujQDVN7FRaZGB1253166667-1" --YCalReminder=DDui4ujQDVN7FRaZGB1253166667-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Safari Land opened Thursday September 17, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=DDui4ujQDVN7FRaZGB1253166667-1-- From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Sep 17 08:01:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22953 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2009 15:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2009 15:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2009 15:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2009 15:01:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2009 15:01:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:01:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.240.191.66 From: "brian" Subject: Re: PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=bbqsJ4bjIsglkcGPw625ZD8yaUW0BfN2LlM_nLNmmvjPey_wbAQ3 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck The three of us will definitely be attending. Haven't finalised the plans = yet. We were planning on just driving and spending the nights in the same = hotel we used in June. A Holiday inn about 20 min NW of Knoebels. If some= sort of bigger trip, ala SFGA or Dorney was organized we might be able to = do the flying into Allentown and renting a car thing to do more stuff. Pro= vided of course you want to hang out with a 7 year old. I'll be in touch w= ith you soon Mike. (Josh, I tried to text you but you just ignored me so e= at a dick!) Just kidding Josh...=20 Razzle Dazzle bitches! -Brian F. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Sep 17 09:02:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57707 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2009 16:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2009 16:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2009 16:02:26 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so48184qwe.39 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:02:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.113.210 with SMTP id b18mr420197qaq.354.1253203324705; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:02:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:02:04 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0909170902i6672f359xeb33cd134ca2fb39@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=_mRSQ1dAfnDR2xf3fiaYuXBh93aPJKjW8EBGgTshaEQ3Xt3m1g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, you probably don't have my new number. Ass. I'll text it to you later. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, brian wrote: > > > The three of us will definitely be attending. Haven't finalised the plans > yet. We were planning on just driving and spending the nights in the same > hotel we used in June. A Holiday inn about 20 min NW of Knoebels. If some > sort of bigger trip, ala SFGA or Dorney was organized we might be able to do > the flying into Allentown and renting a car thing to do more stuff. Provided > of course you want to hang out with a 7 year old. I'll be in touch with you > soon Mike. (Josh, I tried to text you but you just ignored me so eat a > dick!) Just kidding Josh... > > Razzle Dazzle bitches! > -Brian F. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Thu Sep 17 12:09:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12883 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2009 19:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2009 19:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f222.google.com) (209.85.220.222) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2009 19:09:26 -0000 X-Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so252168fxm.12 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:08:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.223.144.204 with SMTP id a12mr206811fav.49.1253214492951; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:08:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0909170902i6672f359xeb33cd134ca2fb39@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0909170902i6672f359xeb33cd134ca2fb39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:08:12 -0400 Message-ID: <74b0c9f30909171208m334fd138sf07049c3d3214b94@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Beth Aslakson Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=Z7lb7FPCeNoQUkYDKLstKsX9bJqb1LmyQO1I36SO1x2IFNp_ X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons We'll be there as well. Leaving here on Friday afternoon, spending Friday night at PFN at Kennywood then Saturday for PPP and heading home on Sunday (probably with a stop for creamery ice cream at Penn State on the way home). That's kind of become out route of choice for PPP in the last several years, one of these years I'll save enough vacation time to take the Monday after off so we can go back for hangover day at Knoebels but we're doing 2 weeks in FL in November this year... From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Sep 17 16:54:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28110 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2009 23:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2009 23:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2009 23:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2009 23:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2009 23:53:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:53:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0909161342p4717895dn722905a6f89f022e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.225.62 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=kNjXKDSli1JupxZaux4eDw4bEyNRuh6Wpk_rGNDALebWylZ4JMpv X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Congrats to all you newlyweds! Say, Adam, I noticed your model railroad setup on SmugMug. Nice little 3-l= evel creation! How long did that take you? Is it still up, or was it just= for the holidays? Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 19 07:46:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95279 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 14:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 14:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 14:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mp1Cz-0004qu-Kw for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:46:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4AB4EEA8.40403@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:46:00 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478967b60bb43037af41167f8bbcac6bcffbd05715bf62c0809350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ZPAPPJBshCtcbsISz4YmrBvp0Ji4vpTFxZbRUmNJxHE4NzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash There's a full news write up on the OC register here: http://ocresort.freedomblogging.com/2009/09/18/knotts-xcelerator-ride-injures-two/18815/ Apparently the launch cable snapped during a ride on Friday, sending bits and pieces of shredded cable flying and injuring a father and son who were riding. Not serious- lacerations and cuts, but enough to send them to the hospital. Ride is closed until they get it fixed and figure out what happened. So now Xcelerator has joined TTD and Ka as a cable shredder. Not good. Ride is closed pending investigation and repair. Also there's onride video footage that leaked out on youtube that's making the rounds. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 19 07:53:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97114 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 14:53:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 14:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 14:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mp1JV-0002IF-K4 for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4AB4F03C.9060307@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:52:44 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478967b60bb43037af4694e1af6e04ae60a66908bf41c43153b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: WDW and DL new rides, lands, and additons X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=aJTrCQm3vaPXh69Q8L-PhooRtfw-CIgfjw0sUN3h_Tp355Y X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash It's been busy the last several days, so I haven't had a chance to post this yet. But I'm guessing that many of you have heard already. Would love to know what you think. Disney announced at their D23 expo some major additions and changes coming to the parks, and some other new things coming. Star Tours II is coming, finally, after years of rumors. It's going to be pod-racing and in 3d. It's certainly due for an update, but it'll be interesting to see how the pod-racing bit comes out. They had major previews and models of the new Cars Land at DCA, and it's looking like it's going to be incredible. And WDW's Magic Kingdom is finally getting some major love. Fantasyland is being massively and majorly redone, with Toontown finally being scrapped (should have been done years ago as it was meant to be temporary), major new meet and greet areas being put in, including adding some of the villains and other interactions in them, new restaurants, doubling up Dumbo, and other big changes. All that on top of Disney's purchase of Marvel, which is going to be interesting to see how that develops and what they'll do with it. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a Marvel Weekend coming to the California parks within a couple of years. So what do you think? keep on ridin' George (who will try at get a brief Universal/ IOA TR done, including Rockit today or tomorrow) -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From thunder7nyfl@gmail.com Sat Sep 19 09:59:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jdolce7@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90912 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 16:59:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 16:59:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f189.google.com) (209.85.223.189) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 16:59:31 -0000 X-Received: by iwn27 with SMTP id 27so420025iwn.7 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:59:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.123.27 with SMTP id n27mr4813517ibr.48.1253379548271; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:59:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AB4EEA8.40403@earthlink.net> References: <4AB4EEA8.40403@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:59:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6879190913f8c478 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.223.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: THUNDER7NYFL Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=406652537; y=cNeAqPWbEtT4TttLv4fCBAk0HmQ4B4G46AABvzrt5yxSJlsJtZX7 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's wrong with this picture? They are all Intamin coasters. Joe On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:46 AM, george burnash wrote: > > > There's a full news write up on the OC register here: > > http://ocresort.freedomblogging.com/2009/09/18/knotts-xcelerator-ride-injures-two/18815/ > > Apparently the launch cable snapped during a ride on Friday, sending > bits and pieces of shredded cable flying and injuring a father and son > who were riding. Not serious- lacerations and cuts, but enough to send > them to the hospital. Ride is closed until they get it fixed and figure > out what happened. So now Xcelerator has joined TTD and Ka as a cable > shredder. Not good. > > Ride is closed pending investigation and repair. > > Also there's onride video footage that leaked out on youtube that's > making the rounds. > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Sep 19 10:24:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53792 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 17:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 17:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.56) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 17:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id igEe1c00G1ei1Bg56hPjfv; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:23:43 +0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([76.120.238.192]) by OMTA24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ihVK1c00149lS3w3khVKwL; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:29:19 +0000 Message-Id: <6A5880F4-BE8B-47BF-BFA7-9B6CD766D587@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:29:17 -0400 References: <4AB4EEA8.40403@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=bhdpSHUESuoardTXjNWoadSEvFH2HgoC-v7BqUdEbskSBsZUMatQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Besides the other problems you mention, didn't the cable on MF also break, and they had failures with the regular chains on S:ROS at SFA, and the cable on the drop tower at SFKK? Clearly not a good record for Intamin -- it would be interesting to see what kind of inspection Intamin has said to perform on the cable, and how often it is (assuming they actually ordered periodic inspections of the cable after all their other failures). They say the ride is inspected every morning, but I doubt this includes any inspection methods that would detect cracks in the cables. At the very least, you figure Intamin would have had some sort of shields around the cable to prevent debris from hitting riders in the event of a failure, but who knows... they could've come up with something, but maybe Knott's didn't want to pay to have it installed. -Mike On Sep 19, 2009, at 12:59 PM, THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > What's wrong with this picture? They are all Intamin coasters. > > Joe > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:46 AM, george burnash >wrote: > >> >> >> There's a full news write up on the OC register here: >> >> http://ocresort.freedomblogging.com/2009/09/18/knotts-xcelerator-ride-injures-two/18815/ >> >> Apparently the launch cable snapped during a ride on Friday, sending >> bits and pieces of shredded cable flying and injuring a father and >> son >> who were riding. Not serious- lacerations and cuts, but enough to >> send >> them to the hospital. Ride is closed until they get it fixed and >> figure >> out what happened. So now Xcelerator has joined TTD and Ka as a cable >> shredder. Not good. >> >> Ride is closed pending investigation and repair. >> >> Also there's onride video footage that leaked out on youtube that's >> making the rounds. >> >> keep on ridin' >> George >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------ >> With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. >> From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 19 12:01:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50205 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 19:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 19:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 19:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mp5Br-000227-Ml for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:01:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4AB52A72.9060609@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:01:06 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4AB4EEA8.40403@earthlink.net> <6A5880F4-BE8B-47BF-BFA7-9B6CD766D587@donkeyentertainment.com> In-Reply-To: <6A5880F4-BE8B-47BF-BFA7-9B6CD766D587@donkeyentertainment.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478967b60bb43037af4016973f291b1cb6fe579679d91514b67350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=0scFm1XQCwOciUiaWV53QhgOMwi07AQV3qV6hEhZTOQI7T0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mike Filippone wrote: > > > Besides the other problems you mention, didn't the cable on MF also > break, and they had failures with the regular chains on S:ROS at SFA, > and the cable on the drop tower at SFKK? MF yes, there's one I forgot to list. Don't remember about the chain on SROS. The cable on SFKK's drop tower I don't ascribe to Intamin when you consider the age, that's it' a unique instance, and that SFKK has been noted for not inspecting the cables like they should, and replacing them with non-Intamin spec cables. So that one is laying on SFKK entirely. > Clearly not a good record for Intamin -- it would be interesting to > see what kind of inspection Intamin has said to perform on the cable, > and how often it is (assuming they actually ordered periodic > inspections of the cable after all their other failures). That's what I'm wondering. AS often as this has happened, and in some cases multiple times on the same rides (MF, TTD), it makes you wonder. It's also interesting to note that the vast majority of the times it seems to be happening at Cedar Fair parks. In fact, I'm trying to remember if Ka actually did have a break like this, or if that's just getting mixed up in a haze of other problems. Perhaps the issue here with the cable snaps isn't just Intamin but also something that Cedar Fair is doing with the cables? But then that's open to very broad speculation. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sat Sep 19 12:17:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32581 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 19:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 19:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 19:17:15 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so549237qwc.42 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.8.136 with SMTP id h8mr2409587qah.25.1253387813056; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm2902018qwj.31.2009.09.19.12.16.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ab52e24.48c3f10a.0d79.3eb4@mx.google.com> To: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:16:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <4AB52A72.9060609@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: Aco5W6n5noE0GVVGQ3qsBHbB1+flxgAAbM8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=X_m1lJKVdBoiR7Und2Lz4gpCCKtszxDGwxxgowruijIm-3c X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While they are both Intamin parts, I will say that is the only commonality the cables and chains have. Both are (probably) specd. by Intamin, but then designed/fabricated/supplied by vendors. It could be a common issue of under sizing the parts considering their designated use, which would be Intamin's fauly, but outside of that it is hard to draw parallels. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sat Sep 19 12:22:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25358 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 19:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 19:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 19:22:22 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so555220qwb.61 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.86.134 with SMTP id s6mr2406947qal.63.1253388069279; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm2488132qwi.2.2009.09.19.12.21.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ab52f24.02c3f10a.62eb.0f0b@mx.google.com> To: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:21:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <4AB4EEA8.40403@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: Aco5OASBFcmze5esQY6nhkvxARHRmAAJcSIg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE:NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=PYH0LBWa5NFcU6SgHZBEr5sTnXEqbppncSz0jkkS9bTXU24 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Ride is closed until they get it fixed and figure out what happened. So now Xcelerator has joined TTD and Ka as a cable shredder. Not good." The interesting thing is that I have never heard of any of the three S&S launch coasters (Dodonpa, Powder Keg, Thrust Air) have these problems (and the first two they produced put the cables under a lot of stress). All the coasters, especially Powder Keg and Thrust Air, had plenty of problems, but as far as I know cables have never been one of them. Obviously I am excluding the new coaster in Germany since it was still having operational problems in August, not sure if that is running well yet. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sat Sep 19 12:24:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95874 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 19:24:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 19:24:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 19:24:10 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so481367qwe.39 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.71.233 with SMTP id i41mr2403670qaj.89.1253388245866; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3197917qwh.7.2009.09.19.12.24.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ab52fd4.c5c2f10a.70b9.6ec4@mx.google.com> To: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:24:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aco38jErDfB+YhuFRdam8M5pglSwegBbCsew X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=pp3SF37bDhSP_vmd8sL9uegAbzmehAtAJl-7CtGJ4kbGWh8 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Say, Adam, I noticed your model railroad setup on SmugMug. Nice little 3-level creation! How long did that take you? Is it still up, or was it just for the holidays?" That was something I built with a good friend of mine (gay, no kids, BIG fan of Christmas.the perfect train set partner for a nerdy project like this). We built it for the holidays, it was four levels and pretty ridiculous. He did the construction end of things, I handled all electric and wiring. It was a combination of his equipment, which is all Lionel post-war, and mine, which is a combination of my father's and mine. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Sat Sep 19 13:28:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95878 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2009 20:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2009 20:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.24) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2009 20:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ikHE1c0021swQuc52kUg7i; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:28:40 +0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([76.120.238.192]) by OMTA15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ikaR1c00149lS3w3bkaRuC; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:34:25 +0000 Message-Id: <9CCD198D-1237-4488-9D7C-5636DEE6CDDB@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4ab52f24.02c3f10a.62eb.0f0b@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:33:53 -0400 References: <4ab52f24.02c3f10a.62eb.0f0b@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE:NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=H5vJlNwxSk_tYLfkXxl2Jw2fP1adSzolnA4Gu7BUTzrsNJMcrbXp X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > "Ride is closed until they get it fixed and figure out what > happened. So now > Xcelerator has joined TTD and Ka as a cable shredder. Not good." > > The interesting thing is that I have never heard of any of the three > S&S > launch coasters (Dodonpa, Powder Keg, Thrust Air) have these > problems (and > the first two they produced put the cables under a lot of stress). > All the > coasters, especially Powder Keg and Thrust Air, had plenty of > problems, but > as far as I know cables have never been one of them. Obviously I am > excluding the new coaster in Germany since it was still having > operational > problems in August, not sure if that is running well yet. Also, the Schwarzkopf shuttle loops (weight drop & flywheel) use a cable/belt that attach to the pusher during the launch. Montezooma's Revenge has been at Knotts since Cedar Fair bought it, and as far as I know, has never had any issues with the cable. Although the launch isn't as quick, the trains they pull are probably heavier, so I would imagine the stresses on the cables aren't too different. http://schwarzkopf.coaster.net/ESshuttlelooptyp1GF.htm http://schwarzkopf.coaster.net/ESshuttlelooptyp2GF.htm -Mike From Xcoaster@gmail.com Sat Sep 19 18:04:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65848 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2009 01:03:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2009 01:03:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f185.google.com) (209.85.210.185) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2009 01:03:54 -0000 X-Received: by yxe15 with SMTP id 15so2469988yxe.13 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:03:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.90.42.9 with SMTP id p9mr2216392agp.4.1253408624128; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:03:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:03:44 -0700 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ryan Snooks Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206413560; y=WF4RqGcTLhZ7A3TGA_fMsJK-TdJcVDt3sjlOes8tRgwd2QRL-16JAW8 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme There's a slim chance that I'll make it to PPP and SFGAdv. I've done some of the other parks in the area, but I've yet to go to either of those, and they've been calling my name for a while. They're a mere 7 hour drive from where I'm at right now, but that's a 3-day weekend for me, so it might be doable. So it's on Saturday, no pre-registration is required, and I'll get beat up if I don't wear a costume? Anything else I should know? -- Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@gmail.com From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sat Sep 19 20:18:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25958 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2009 03:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2009 03:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f211.google.com) (209.85.220.211) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2009 03:18:30 -0000 X-Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1551942fxm.10 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:18:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.239.184.154 with SMTP id y26mr230891hbg.196.1253416700105; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:18:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6ab4641f0909161013vb1908e2ra0485ae6c8095445@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0909192018k65e7d0dbwa04cc086c3279890@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PPP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=YntzILg3xIh7iR43B_Qd922qtauIL5nb8wWe6rKYyDmElDw X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been 4 times and never wore a costume, but I can see it making the event more fun. Just plan on it being cold and not having to lug something heavy around. On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Ryan Snooks wrote: > > > There's a slim chance that I'll make it to PPP and SFGAdv. I've done > some of the other parks in the area, but I've yet to go to either of > those, and they've been calling my name for a while. They're a mere 7 > hour drive from where I'm at right now, but that's a 3-day weekend for > me, so it might be doable. > > So it's on Saturday, no pre-registration is required, and I'll get > beat up if I don't wear a costume? Anything else I should know? > > -- > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@gmail.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 19 21:00:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69433 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2009 04:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2009 04:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2009 04:00:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2009 04:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2009 04:00:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:00:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AB52A72.9060609@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.13.131.105 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=piK8EKPTmPDI4abuAU3pJamtYbtWk25XREfkQLt52XMwcJPMdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > In fact, I'm trying to=20 > remember if Ka actually did have a break like this, or if that's just=20 > getting mixed up in a haze of other problems.=20=20 > keep on ridin' > George >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > I thought Ka's incident was the brakes for the catchcar failed and it hit t= he 'back wall' or whatever at full speed, destroying the catchcar... 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--YCalReminder=qB1QaOORYxYFZ4c924KhtdTV1253425864-1-- From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 16:13:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62818 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2009 23:12:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2009 23:12:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2009 23:12:59 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2009 23:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2009 23:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2009 23:12:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:12:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AB4EEA8.40403@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.225.62 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Xclerator cable snaps, injuring 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ReZfyXu7-k4UgLTN_NHqVCT5O2CEXxu0zY6YxKXO6Y2xMaKmiugO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Also there's onride video footage that leaked out on youtube that's makin= g the rounds. < Ouch! That looks painful. It's clear when the cable snaps and shards of s= omething shower down on the passengers. The brake grabs them hard after th= ey roll back to the launch area, and the two front passengers seem to be in= quite a panic. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 16:14:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49104 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2009 23:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2009 23:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2009 23:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2009 23:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2009 23:14:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:14:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AB52A72.9060609@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.225.62 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Harry Potter Comes to IOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=9bUEUX_20TnDwjEytrMe2IAfydGu-hAZJ7IRzvlrPZyswrF1jU3M X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This site has an interesting 3D animated walk-thru. It looks like it could= be a nice addition to the park. The two dragons ride looks like a repeat = of Dueling Dragons. The Hippogriff ride seems to be a family coaster. Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Sep 20 17:26:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62964 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2009 00:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2009 00:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2009 00:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MpWj8-0001a3-PC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:25:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4AB6C7EB.1040108@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:25:15 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478967b60bb43037af423ca323504dcc7c262a1ac6668a84b10350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Harry Potter Comes to IOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=xXCpB2Y1-0ODhjqQXUcbhZltFNZFs_QBgcSUadrntFCFtQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash jay_ducharme wrote: > > > This site has an interesting 3D animated walk-thru. It looks like it > could be a nice addition to the park. The two dragons ride looks like a > repeat of Dueling Dragons. The Hippogriff ride seems to be a family coaster. > Two Dragons, or Dragon Challenge, depending on what you watch, is Dueling Dragons just with a new name stuck on it. Doesn't look like they're retheming it at all. Flying Hippogriff is actually the family coaster that was also already there. It was previously known as the Flying Unicorn and is getting a basic retheming. Most of the Harry Potter is going around both sides of Dueling Dragons- some where the Enchanted Tree restaurant and the big concrete dragons used to be be. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 21 04:51:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99875 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2009 11:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2009 11:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2009 11:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2009 11:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2009 11:50:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:50:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AB6C7EB.1040108@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.171.240.240 From: "fluffythegod3000" Subject: Re: NEWS: Harry Potter Comes to IOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=zXoo4ENs-9vZb9MaXonoLkk8WKoBJVQElYae2gatHntwmVjWAgo1V2JbRA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > Two Dragons, or Dragon Challenge, depending on what you watch, is=20 > Dueling Dragons just with a new name stuck on it. Doesn't look like=20 > they're retheming it at all. >=20 > Flying Hippogriff is actually the family coaster that was also already=20 > there. It was previously known as the Flying Unicorn and is getting a=20 > basic retheming. Most of the Harry Potter is going around both sides of= =20 > Dueling Dragons- some where the Enchanted Tree restaurant and the big=20 > concrete dragons used to be be. ah, so THATS what's going on. we were at IOA about a month ago and noticed = all the work going on, and didnt realize what the deal was.=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 21 16:30:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60202 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2009 23:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2009 23:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2009 23:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2009 23:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2009 23:30:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:30:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AB6C7EB.1040108@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.225.62 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Harry Potter Comes to IOA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=DAGJa61opx3oYN-b9aobrDzhiDfHqfdxWhUX48wAAGXGniIb2Nyg X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Two Dragons, or Dragon Challenge, depending on what you watch, is Dueling= Dragons just with a new name stuck on it. Flying Hippogriff is actually t= he family coaster that was also already there. < Well, I guess that cuts down their expenses a bit. :-\ It makes sense to = re-use those rides if they weren't really integrated into a themed area to = begin with. But for 1/4 billion dollars, the new theming better look prett= y amazing. Jay From drounds@jvlnet.com Tue Sep 22 21:03:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5817 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 04:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 04:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.8.8) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 04:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 16737587 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:02:35 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 29519 invoked by uid 99); 23 Sep 2009 04:02:35 -0000 Date: 22 Sep 2009 23:02:35 -0500 X-Received: from 24.227.142.146 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:02:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <6aed3d585faad5005dfcf97d887de2aa.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:02:35 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.8.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: NEWS: SFOG flooded by "Flood of the century" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=nlv8mnHieLcxeuAIhQGXqzas2FNSQXdc5Sregu0gtHYnUdGAoBQYlY_dGsdcaXFcrg X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds@sbcglobal.net According to AP news.... AUSTELL, Ga. (Sept. 22) - Neighborhoods, schools and even roller coasters at Six Flags over Georgia were awash in several feet of murky, brown water Tuesday. Here is a video link to AOL news with video footage of the flooding at SFOG: http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/AOL News/deadly-southeast-floods-continue-but-rain-eases/41446859001 David Rounds From zaldarff@yahoo.com Tue Sep 22 21:52:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: zaldarff@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67008 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 04:52:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 04:52:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.58.200) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 04:52:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71837 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2009 04:52:31 -0000 Message-ID: <993273.71370.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3WYxdP4VM1lg4E.I5hw2X4ftiMaoO1xpa4A7EnBweCgRPKm.V0aZK7rZlIPP.igXyZn1dhx61ENypVc_efLTXxkBb7cf2ZVObsv6nth1yOnCS4M1KhHAdWkQAz4gtXWjC6AMRzsp_Z_KJrbAoLNevMiI_mGqnw1gu9QIetLeQlP6sDxVmPXvvp0BsvyCZGGqVS0fRlGBxSY0pGTWB.VNwZV3SlWI.rQXSBu20O.EORYzFR6p8MJKUM22rZlXynPdSpn3b_yuHw-- X-Received: from [69.229.225.208] by web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:52:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:52:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.58.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Santley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=354193821; y=sVppYIuNeJIxqiT6qICJEOtzOfMiM57jXp6p1VWdL9kLDQw X-Yahoo-Profile: zaldarff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I always thought there was something wrong with that ride. I think Top thrill is a hole lot safer. The tower is bigger and you don't have that extra twist as you come off the tower. Knott's needs to either get better hight restrictions or be more picky about what it allows. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Sep 23 04:52:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6389 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 11:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 11:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 11:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 11:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 11:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 11:51:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:51:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.171.240.240 From: "fluffythegod3000" Subject: Universal to buy Seaworld? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=WeM_wzfxz6IoLSLF59DLKNAcUTRXakwKHs-I0HeF-fUsFR4Wk9gvE1cdbA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 ORANGE COUNTY -- In a move that would be a major shake-up to the tourism in= dustry nationwide, SeaWorld Orlando and Universal may soon be owned by the = same company. Inside sources said SeaWorld officials will announce to employees Wednesday= the popular park, and several other formerly owned by Busch Entertainment,= have been sold. "That would be another huge deal. They've been up for sale for a while," sa= id Robert Niles from Theme Park Insider. Insiders and experts said the most likely buyer is The Blackstone Group, a = private equity firm that already owns half of Universal Studios. Rumors about a possible sale have circulated for months, but recently sourc= es said high-ranking Blackstone officials have been spotted touring SeaWorl= d Orlando. Industry experts are excited about what a sale could mean. "That would put some money in the pockets of the folks that run Busch and S= eaWorld and potentially help them to step up," Niles said. Others are less convinced about big possible changes. Blackstone has owned a portion of Universal Studios for years, and experts = said they are an investment group that, basically, just wants their money. "Blackstone is pretty much been a hands off type of investor,=E2=80=9D said= Dr. Duncan Dickson from the University of Central Florida. =E2=80=9CThey a= re ruthless when it comes to their bottom line. They just want their bottom= line." Any possible sale sets up interesting twists and turns. After all, since th= ey would be owned by the same company, SeaWorld Orlando and Universal Studi= os would no longer be competing with each other, but teaming up against Dis= ney. "But it doesn't necessarily have to be a zero sum gain here. The more attra= ctions you have in Central Florida, the more likely you are going to get pe= ople to visit," Niles said. http://www.cfnews13.com/Business/LocalBusinessHeadlines/2009/9/22/seaworld_= sold.html -the question i will have obviously is how they are going to handle Busch s= eason passes that include Seaworld.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Sep 23 07:10:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81048 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f200.google.com) (209.85.212.200) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: by vws38 with SMTP id 38so482719vws.9 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:09:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.68.233 with SMTP id w41mr3641760vci.103.1253714966773; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <993273.71370.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <993273.71370.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:09:26 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=vexlYyGmXjg2qVsZy3rYm06EEVod1q56nl1TraJLv-Lz5lPhHEwEYmY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I always thought there was something wrong with that ride. I think Top thrill is a hole lot safer. Except that an almost identical incident happened to Minimum Thrill Dragster a couple of years ago. Combine that with a significantly increased speed (on Dragster), and that ride seems downright dangerous to me. -Nate From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 23 12:02:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8323 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 19:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 19:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 19:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MqX6t-0004Zo-ER for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:02:39 -0400 Message-ID: <4ABA70A1.6080301@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:01:53 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478967b60bb43037af42e149e76aa468864d30ecc9df8e1564c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Universal to buy Seaworld? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=92NHKlyNgMtywtHpndfSCs-LdvcMr_zEhLctzxz8kcAiA2k X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash fluffythegod3000 wrote: > > > ORANGE COUNTY -- In a move that would be a major shake-up to the tourism > industry nationwide, SeaWorld Orlando and Universal may soon be owned by > the same company. > It's been in the works for a while, so I'm not surprised. I figure the announcement should be coming anytime. One thing the article misleads on a little bit- it's not Universal buying the Busch parks. It's Blackstone, or their subdivision Merlin Entertainment. I say that because outside of Orlando, the other Universal parks aren't involved. If it's Merlin, then it will be the arm of the company that owns the Legoland parks. If it's Blackstone, then it'll be the Universal Orlando co-owners. They're both the same company just different divisions. Personally I think it's the best company for the parks. It's the one company I can see maintaining, or even improving, the quality of the Busch parks. And it'll put a solid block in place that can actively compete with Disney, not just as lesser entities. keep on ridin' George * -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 23 12:06:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1635 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 19:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 19:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 19:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MqXAn-00079R-5R for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4ABA7193.1010105@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:05:55 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <993273.71370.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <993273.71370.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478967b60bb43037af464917cc0f3b3ff310f24d667136f39d8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) TTD vs. Xcelerator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=lFBMB7CRZvCItAw6EfkdnB23fC3fDVvJyvoKWmSGedvQbx0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Bill Santley wrote: > > > I always thought there was something wrong with that ride. I think Top > thrill is a hole lot safer. The tower is bigger and you don't have that > extra twist as you come off the tower. So taller, faster, and more forces and speed as a result = safer? I miss the connection there. If anything I think it would be the opposite. And TTD has already shown a propensity for this sort of thing, having it happen on the ride twice already. Knott's needs to either get > better hight restrictions or be more picky about what it allows. I'm confused. How would changing the height restrictions make any difference at all in this? They're already fairly tall for Xcelerator. And changing what it allows? In what way? What would they change? This has nothing to do with the guests. It was a mechanical failure for a catastrophic type. Changing anything with the guests wouldn't make any difference at all in what happened or who was hurt. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Sep 23 15:48:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24891 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 22:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 22:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 22:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 22:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 22:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 22:48:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:48:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.171.240.240 From: "fluffythegod3000" Subject: SFOG? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=BQ6N7B7V55YG9NcPPHlHwxnjOI-TGhLtY5xUlfqki87KwwVRfhByjmDTWg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 so, is the park shot, or at least part of it? im sure by now everyone has s= een the pics. GASM, i would imagine after sitting days under water, is prob= ably beyond salvaging. did i see that Ninja was under water in sections too= ?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Sep 23 15:55:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75374 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 22:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 22:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 22:55:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 22:54:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 22:54:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:54:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ABA70A1.6080301@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.171.240.240 From: "fluffythegod3000" Subject: Re: Universal to buy Seaworld? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=KzIJFfNUwpvD-N6u9Ivme31ETGa8ftJf8KsbjsCK6MjvqStZnIvJxC40oA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > If it's Blackstone, then it'll be the Universal Orlando co-owners.=20=20 this is what the news reports keep reporting is as, "co owners of Universal= Studios". so i guess thats who it is. > Personally I think it's the best company for the parks. It's the one=20 > company I can see maintaining, or even improving, the quality of the=20 > Busch parks. And it'll put a solid block in place that can actively=20 > compete with Disney, not just as lesser entities. it will be interesting to see what they do with it. i like Seaworld, but ce= rtain sections are pretty dated and definitely need some TLC. so if they ca= n improve, upgrade and maintain im all for it.=20 id just prefer to be able to walk around and not get overrun with cartoon c= haracters, like at Universal. who owns Spongebob and Aquaman again? :) From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Sep 23 16:13:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74493 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 23:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 23:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f197.google.com) (209.85.221.197) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 23:13:21 -0000 X-Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so1041657qyk.19 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.25.134 with SMTP id z6mr2587261qab.52.1253747528359; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm529189qwf.57.2009.09.23.16.12.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4abaab47.47c2f10a.4097.6e2c@mx.google.com> To: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:12:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-index: Aco8o0aSEOrWQPmgRtmKXGH+YH6Y0Q== X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Interesting article in the NYT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=I84V56-QyjNBgTGYsR3yn_czGfFh8EK3yb4Zx0JG6TlDTeY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/business/smallbusiness/24sbiz.html?_r=1 &8dpc Family-Run Amusement Parks Surviving a Downturn Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Sep 23 17:00:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89300 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2009 00:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2009 00:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2009 00:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8NNxPIm017779 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:59:25 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d0a.589699dc (37594) for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:59:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.101] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB067-92da4abab659148; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:59:21 -0400 Message-ID: <4ABAB668.2010907@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:59:36 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFOG? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=7zBFHHPRiaIIWeTSo6_aw4UCjqGpSHTm_X-5OdFKXaX85ND4Sg X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo fluffythegod3000 wrote: > so, is the park shot, or at least part of it? im sure by now everyone has seen the pics. GASM, i would imagine after sitting days under water, is probably beyond salvaging. did i see that Ninja was under water in sections too? > > > My understanding is that those rides were built to be flooded, and it has happened before, though not to this extent. Batman and Mindbender, however, were not. The park does say it will be open this weekend, at least last time I looked. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes From kenziecollin@yahoo.com Wed Sep 23 17:04:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kenziecollin@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39796 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2009 00:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2009 00:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.106.68) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2009 00:04:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63269 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2009 00:04:55 -0000 Message-ID: <197874.62724.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: G9h1qewVM1l5oXC3LRbwtA3VVPizJk6IixTECQyhp76HabkclCjrrOMPLYSjAjV9x1wzsXdjRxYJXRLOPLFGcR0iyTJ8NQuEdZwSEegcBk4X9x0M9Yi4iYkEPHr6TFyBZHScmhll1vQK6rrgqISjUgv8AZ6KyOYj1MUSmzd0cK9Zdc7Byo_jTTZLwuQCg8xE5.ioaIQJ9gTxzQ2pgnucfFB9.rATfRIRzSzBxndz0u9khcuzGtiUDOOBB0qcFYW8eKs2H_5UTGue9QxCeV4zGRpJVLtGj21V.y_nlL_o5vmTgRBWfYU8DI7CaSZBfHAWU811xbZW7dqMwUWH5Bzmi.nvYGyGhqVtS0k.ujgp4uDBYShGucM5K2mHxvc.rf67tRY- X-Received: from [24.181.68.0] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:04:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:04:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4ABAB668.2010907@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.106.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: william rushton Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFOG? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=407923538; y=grc-Kj99Fq0uoRlxLueDevv7neBB-1HmepMFGCdhFZX9plKBRiPm X-Yahoo-Profile: kenziecollin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable any coaster groups in ga=20 --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Nathan Brown wrote: From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFOG? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 7:59 PM =A0 =20=20=20=20 fluffythegod3000 wrote: > so, is the park shot, or at least part of it? im sure by now everyone has= seen the pics. GASM, i would imagine after sitting days under water, is pr= obably beyond salvaging. did i see that Ninja was under water in sections t= oo?=20 > > >=20=20=20 My understanding is that those rides were built to be flooded, and it=20 has happened before, though not to this extent. Batman and Mindbender,=20 however, were not. The park does say it will be open this weekend, at=20 least last time I looked. --=20 Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters. com The Insensitivity rolls on... Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenziecollin@yahoo.com Wed Sep 23 17:07:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kenziecollin@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23574 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2009 00:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2009 00:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.106.67) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2009 00:07:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79908 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2009 00:07:06 -0000 Message-ID: <853712.79151.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cTRrzVEVM1lsbi6aUyv0v1Fp.OJgBy2Ua8l3FKm4Kc_EvHzSMRyNfi_p..lVUvWv5uTZoKYWEdc_NIUVLWmE9bfOz8_XT_X3B9TXmcjDTB_JVK4aYSkQ.nP1.yqqgdYGc0WOZUOh3010DMp8pZcf2kCZn5qacdm7_cEINXlZT3RhxHqo8AsAOF_dIiKXrdjOADqOV4AZ2ulFpQ_nOZiHKquovfR7YviZrLM3lou3GjTOcYjD3cvuQgb7Tzvvy5cSDpGO1BhVcC99ooT_NUk1rqHSJfn.3wYJreykh1t9nJkGr2m4zDKWtHnuuPJJOf1YSMeq.n_AcSkR3VHb X-Received: from [24.181.68.0] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:07:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:07:06 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.106.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: william rushton Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFOG? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=407923538; y=nAjJlpi2fYiiQsBmNIhM5A7LxV2i9rZUBky4c32NyxZ697GzCfkE X-Yahoo-Profile: kenziecollin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable six flags is right beside the chattahoochie river=A0 so it dont take much t= o flood --- On Wed, 9/23/09, fluffythegod3000 wrote: From: fluffythegod3000 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFOG? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 6:48 PM =A0 =20=20=20=20 so, is the park shot, or at least part of it? im sure by = now everyone has seen the pics. GASM, i would imagine after sitting days un= der water, is probably beyond salvaging. did i see that Ninja was under wat= er in sections too?=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Sep 23 17:11:46 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23581 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2009 00:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2009 00:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2009 00:11:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1253751101; bh=QJryU7avBPbL0XNe6iy32qV/ew5UvX9oTFhssMVxM54=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=NWiKHe9vFJH8ucpc6p9xlMg718PQZPWncx8V6riRulp3JSdS1VzBNwd2l8kfHAUEEDL4pxmP/JABJn0a6YvddbWrS3nkhDApONGgMpk6XRq3JXWxIlCxYos3R+ZUBCLQ Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2009 00:11:41 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2009 00:11:41 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92019 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2009 23:52:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2009 23:52:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2009 23:52:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 23:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2009 23:51:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:51:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.91.255.100 From: "Jon" Subject: Re: SFOG? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=91d8F_85LM1Z0txz1XEirzZayMM6Dknrz0oW5WrE7n8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=_zE83LHvrwQR_03IduBatMd1665gkxLYPCDhHIz66-BquIzjeipRvb17pdTh6OTACuQ; X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 24 Sep 2009 00:11:41 -0000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "fluffythegod3000" wrote: > > so, is the park shot, or at least part of it? im sure by now everyone has= seen the pics. GASM, i would imagine after sitting days under water, is pr= obably beyond salvaging. did i see that Ninja was under water in sections t= oo? > It doesn't look like the they are too worried about it at the park office. = http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/six-flags-still-hopes-143766.html The article implied that this has happened before and that the park will go= on. jjloj From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 23 17:18:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87903 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2009 00:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2009 00:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2009 00:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mqc29-0007bt-U4 for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4ABABA90.9020709@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:17:20 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478967b60bb43037af488f740fc5c9bb122a06f088830e55a61350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Cypress Gardens closing again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=Jn8UtjuOYp0djzWYvJ8vTnClIeVmOdx2Mmqdd-vVEGlRf2s X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash The sad thing with this is that from everything I've heard and read the park was at least on an even kilter when they had the rides operating. The only reason it went to bankruptcy was the insurance company's refusal to pay from the hurricanes, and that if it wasn't for that the park would have been operating on at least a break even basis, and depending on the sourse, likely a profitable one. But the insurance company not doing what they were supposed to do caused the bankruptcy, and the new owners were apparently clueless until now that the times had changed a bit. So now we get this. Sad. In any case, here's the article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attractions/orl-bk-cypress-gardens-closes-092309,0,2476740.story Cypress Gardens shut down once again Wednesday, its owner saying it has exhausted "every possible approach" to keep the storied-but-struggling tourist attraction open. The abrupt closing came just seven months after the region's oldest theme park -- once famed for its botanical gardens and Southern belles -- had reopened on a bet that it could succeed with a combination of scaled-back operations and cheaper ticket prices. Owner Land South Holdings LLC, the Polk County investment firm that bought Cypress Gardens for $17 million at a bankruptcy auction in 2007, said in a statement that it could find no way "to keep the park running in its traditional form." The company said it has begun negotiations with several potential buyers and lessees interested in acquiring all or parts of the property. "We do not feel it is fair to our employees, the guests or the public to continue operations heading into the fall with the future of the property in flux," Land South said in the statement. Founded in 1936, Cypress Gardens was the first theme park built in Central Florida. But unable to compete with the bigger, more modern resorts that followed in Orlando, it shut down in 2003. It reopened the next year with new owners but then went bankrupt in 2006. Despite the protracted struggles, Rick Dantzler, a lawyer who represents Land South, said the owners still hope to find a way to get Cypress Gardens up and running again. "The world is not the same today as it was 30 or 40 years ago," Dantzler said. "Coming up with a model that works in today's marketplace is a challenge." -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Sep 24 05:21:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24229 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2009 12:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2009 12:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2009 12:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2009 12:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2009 12:21:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:21:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ABABA90.9020709@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.171.240.240 From: "fluffythegod3000" Subject: Re: NEWS: Cypress Gardens closing again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=nESawbvcDa9jO3g__VMIvt0kE-65sC_wC9KUxa64Z6n-tt7rkBzQmSbO6w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wro= te: > > The sad thing with this is that from everything I've heard and read the=20 > park was at least on an even kilter when they had the rides operating.=20 i heard about this last night on the news. i was totally dismayed when i he= ard about the rides coming out last year. turning it into solely a water pa= rk sounded like a terrible idea. and from the sound of it, it didnt work ou= t. not surprised.=20 > The only reason it went to bankruptcy was the insurance company's=20 > refusal to pay from the hurricanes, and that if it wasn't for that the=20 > park would have been operating on at least a break even basis, and=20 > depending on the sourse, likely a profitable one. so, who insures the other parks in the orlando area, and why didnt CG just = go with them? the only thing i can think of is that while Disney and US can= cover mega-high insurance costs, CG cant?=20 i know there are rumors of Legoland buying the park, though no one will con= firm that. Not sure what that will bring to the park, but I'd much rather t= hat happen than last year's talk of tearing the place down to install condo= s (though in this economic climate i cant imagine that is still an option, = at least not at the moment).=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Sep 24 06:25:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89689 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2009 13:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2009 13:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2009 13:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mqo6m-0004mh-Fi for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: <4ABB6FDD.9020404@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:10:53 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478967b60bb43037af425d43b21f2361c7e1b80054883bede26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Cypress Gardens closing again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=kkEP1BAz6y1EbdvCl1Nn-5zuASbBR4LjXYUWhoaiJhd3aVw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash fluffythegod3000 wrote: > > The only reason it went to bankruptcy was the insurance company's > > refusal to pay from the hurricanes, and that if it wasn't for that the > > park would have been operating on at least a break even basis, and > > depending on the sourse, likely a profitable one. > > so, who insures the other parks in the orlando area, and why didnt CG > just go with them? the only thing i can think of is that while Disney > and US can cover mega-high insurance costs, CG cant? Changing insurance companies after the fact doesn't help anything. Kent Brusher (sure I spelled that wrong) went with the companies that had insured him at Wild Adventures for years. But after the 3 hurricanes hit that year one of the companies refused to pay out for damages and repairs from the hurricanes- to the tune of several million dollars. Why they went with the company they did I don't know, but it was a major nationwide company and there shouldn't have been any reason to suspect they wouldn't pay. Or that they would risk bankrupting the park because of it. > > i know there are rumors of Legoland buying the park, though no one will > confirm that. Not sure what that will bring to the park, but I'd much > rather that happen than last year's talk of tearing the place down to > install condos (though in this economic climate i cant imagine that is > still an option, at least not at the moment). > Haven't heard anything about Blackstone or Merlin wanting to buy the park (that's the companies that own Legoland). You're not confusing their probable purchase of the Busch Gardens parks with this, are you? Different companies as far as being bought goes. I know the local area and governments want to find a way to make the park survive and be successful, and that's the first goal. Have to see what happens. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Sep 24 18:31:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35311 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2009 01:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2009 01:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2009 01:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2009 01:31:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2009 01:31:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:31:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4abaab47.47c2f10a.4097.6e2c@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.225.62 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Interesting article in the NYT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=B4sE2Q81xs0t2WrGLfojObbPyt7bkuAOn8UgRhVvmdMBYmr5JJoy X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Family-Run Amusement Parks Surviving a Downturn < Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. :-) That's why I keep saying that the smaller parks (if managed properly) are i= n better shape than the big chains with boatloads of debt. Plus, there's a= new demand for family-friendly parks that cater to all ages instead of mai= nly teens. 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--YCalReminder=PJwRnIFxsIB5tNA9PKN1253944207-1-- From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Sep 27 15:24:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57479 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2009 22:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2009 22:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2009 22:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2009 22:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2009 22:24:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:24:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.171.240.240 From: "fluffythegod3000" Subject: BGT news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ZAQcwuqmhpuog0fRxi4Qh-NP-eTi-tOMT-IYph-8KYJn3_vRKEd1QbAheg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 we were at BGT on friday and my son and I were running around Land of the D= ragons when i noticed some bulldozing going on between there and the field = where they do the summer concerts. i asked an attendant what was going on a= nd he said they were putting in a kiddie coaster of some sort, one that par= ents could ride with their kids. he wasnt aware of a theme or anything, but= id guess given its locale that it would be some kind dragon themed thing.= =20 a little surprising but im glad they are putting in something like this. i = just didnt think Inbev was big into installing new stuff. but i guess a kid= die coaster isnt really that expensive in the end.=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Sun Sep 27 16:42:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54924 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2009 23:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2009 23:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2009 23:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ms3NT-0005jA-Bj for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:42:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4ABFF84B.6040500@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:42:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4781abe7321ba7c364cadb5bfa5e26fb607c852917fe7dd01ba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BGT news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=VZW-sxjjI2kOYULJjbjlMGBA25s0D4OieItesuHIY5v-fKo X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash fluffythegod3000 wrote: > we were at BGT on friday and my son and I were running around Land of > the Dragons when i noticed some bulldozing going on between there and > the field where they do the summer concerts. i asked an attendant what > was going on and he said they were putting in a kiddie coaster of some > sort, one that parents could ride with their kids. he wasnt aware of a > theme or anything, but id guess given its locale that it would be some > kind dragon themed thing. > > a little surprising but im glad they are putting in something like this. > i just didnt think Inbev was big into installing new stuff. but i guess > a kiddie coaster isnt really that expensive in the end. I'm much more surprised that the worker was that out of touch. BGT announced around a month ago that they are completely replacing the Land of the Dragons area with a brand new Sesame Street area for kids, including a new kiddie coaster and a redo of everything else there. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 07:39:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56827 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 14:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 14:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f195.google.com) (209.85.210.195) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 14:39:29 -0000 X-Received: by yxe33 with SMTP id 33so8550908yxe.0 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:39:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.214.17 with SMTP id r17mr23316agq.34.1254321567847; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0909300739r65cb88dai38ea7446e81eb5fb@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=YLXXbuu8Nm3Ntu2jZl9OH51YS-9WFj6iXjoYw7jpkNK4ENg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Should Intamin just say it was "scary" Halloween theming? http://screamscape.com/html/knott_s_berry_farm.htm Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 07:47:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21075 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 14:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 14:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 14:47:08 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1993948qwd.7 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:47:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.36.104 with SMTP id s40mr5666975qad.296.1254322026537; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:47:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <165816ef0909300739r65cb88dai38ea7446e81eb5fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <165816ef0909300739r65cb88dai38ea7446e81eb5fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0909300747p155e5380sf3aac5fb4ed7129c@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=0NqYISHqQzCiPzzAIrCqmOHprj8H7Yp8f3SbVOJ0vnlxQm6NpA X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That looks gnarly, so to speak. Definitely scary. I didn't realize the fins got so mangled. Josh On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Adam Sandy wrote: > > > Should Intamin just say it was "scary" Halloween theming? > http://screamscape.com/html/knott_s_berry_farm.htm > > Adam > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 16:21:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92621 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 23:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 23:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 23:21:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2009 23:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2009 23:20:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:20:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0909300747p155e5380sf3aac5fb4ed7129c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=L6luSaB81HplOXsMIZeRVR3CJzfF9dRheVMtwhL08YCZrbq51A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'm with Lance on this one: I'm really not digging Intamin's safety record.= The two S&S rides never had this much trouble, did they?=20 On that note, what's up with the Ring*Racer? I heard they blew up an air fl= ask or something? :o Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Josh W wrote: > > That looks gnarly, so to speak. Definitely scary. I didn't realize the fi= ns > got so mangled. >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Adam Sandy wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Should Intamin just say it was "scary" Halloween theming? > > http://screamscape.com/html/knott_s_berry_farm.htm > > > > Adam > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 18:52:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30450 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 01:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 01:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 01:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 01:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 01:52:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:52:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0909251842g7f1b5464vea0a7be28c8ffb5f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.249.94 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Japan Photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=8Maj2FwNHVghhNN4qXC7zXGA9Xg4--P4C4BtfP-wZQboNJAPNjW2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Did you ride the LaQua coaster? Looks like a heck of a ride. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 20:49:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27904 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 03:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 03:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 03:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 03:48:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 03:48:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:48:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: MISC: Japan Photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=uZQy4jWU-3A27ckkN13-aY9HMNZ9fIhfnDn357cJO1BEkwxb3w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" = wrote: > > Did you ride the LaQua coaster? 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--YCalReminder=WaBQSjWI9pHX1254376266-1-- From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 05:25:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82626 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 12:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 12:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 12:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 12:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 12:25:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:24:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.171.240.240 From: "fluffythegod3000" Subject: Re: Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=JgAJukU0ifo9UnkHN2WLgLPG_rbLB8pT5t4AOPiX-bXCWkXEv-QEjPi_Mg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" wro= te: > > I'm with Lance on this one: I'm really not digging Intamin's safety recor= d. The two S&S rides never had this much trouble? im gonna play devil's advocate for a second and say that while that list of= accidents looks pretty bad, would there be a similar list for B&M? i cant = think of any high profile accidents involving their rides off the top of my= head, but that doesnt mean they havent happened. anyone? Doug aka B&M Tool From lance@screamscape.com Thu Oct 01 05:43:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: screamscapelance@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55421 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 12:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 12:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f185.google.com) (209.85.221.185) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 12:43:29 -0000 X-Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so64668qyk.23 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:43:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.45.19 with SMTP id c19mr1545252qcf.0.1254400905886; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:41:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: de2963006575f8bc Message-ID: <8d240fd50910010541w460971a4gb0ff895fbf1bb7d0@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Lance Hart Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=cLXn959IZehUJfme_1kvp8Z3f-7eo2cjti9qEB743iSqtK5Cz7spy6QNfg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only accidents I've ever heard of on any B&M coaster involved deaths due to pre-existing conditions, andto be fair, I did not list those in that long list of Intamin accidents either. Also by comparison, I can't think of a single accident on an S&S Tower either, so put those stats in a side by side comparison with all the problems with Intamin tower rides. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, fluffythegod3000 wrote: > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "munkye1972" wrote: > > > > I'm with Lance on this one: I'm really not digging Intamin's safety > record. The two S&S rides never had this much trouble? > > im gonna play devil's advocate for a second and say that while that list of > accidents looks pretty bad, would there be a similar list for B&M? i cant > think of any high profile accidents involving their rides off the top of my > head, but that doesnt mean they havent happened. anyone? > > Doug aka B&M Tool > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Oct 02 04:47:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44648 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 11:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 11:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f219.google.com) (209.85.217.219) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 11:47:19 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f219.google.com with SMTP id 19so3833496gxk.10 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:47:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.189.1 with SMTP id r1mr1391294agp.109.1254484039270; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:47:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 07:47:19 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0910020447t10b909q29639c6719fcf35b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Japan Photos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=DhIfr1zVcou_PIxWauRRrgdMqRw9DfhQuh9piXUL-gZglLU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess overall I was torn because I thought the layout was a lot like Chris described. On the construction/design side of things it impressed me because I know Intamin was probably told: "the ride needs to be X tall, roughly follow this footprint and not have columns go outside of designated areas due to walkways, have the ride have enough energy to make it through the wheel at the exact height, have the entire structure meet earthquake and significant wind loads, and have the dynamic loads on the building be below X". All-in-all that is a tall order. You can see a POV of it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY8yFQvDvBk . I thought the First drop was good, the bunny hops on the building were ok at best, the dive off the building through the structure was cool, the wheel fly-through was neat, the second set of tricks on the building were terrible, and it was a nice little drop into the brakes. Not spectacular by any means, but for me the visuals of riding a coaster in Tokyo and the difficulty of design definitley made it interesting and worth a go. Adam > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Oct 02 07:34:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42199 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 14:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 14:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 14:34:24 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so370484qwc.6 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:33:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.91.74 with SMTP id l10mr972373qam.241.1254493999940; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm52064qwi.48.2009.10.02.07.33.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ac60f2f.02c3f10a.78b8.0a06@mx.google.com> To: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:33:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcpDbUgnGf2XFTNWTHSu1xuE8wRAow== X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: MISC: The most boring flat ride ever? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=g5Qqen3xHCijsCbdEedg4IwwwYBwEMF-IDNlDnNYkwahzFc X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huss's King Kong, this one at Bobbejaanland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpk-jIjdsa4 &feature=related Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Oct 03 01:55:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63079 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 08:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 08:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 08:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 08:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 08:54:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:54:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=au_HtG6DTA2lzLZGr5Nrl0ApATaPxLnOYHa8UQofj065biNsYw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 B&M related deaths fall into two categories:=20 Pre-existing medical conditions, as Lance mentioned, and people getting str= uck by trains.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "fluffythegod3000" wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" wrot= e: > > > > I'm with Lance on this one: I'm really not digging Intamin's safety rec= ord. The two S&S rides never had this much trouble? >=20 > im gonna play devil's advocate for a second and say that while that list = of accidents looks pretty bad, would there be a similar list for B&M? i can= t think of any high profile accidents involving their rides off the top of = my head, but that doesnt mean they havent happened. anyone? >=20 > Doug aka B&M Tool > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Oct 03 01:58:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50767 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 08:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 08:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 08:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 08:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 08:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 08:58:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:58:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8d240fd50910010541w460971a4gb0ff895fbf1bb7d0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=hkBSIUHKGq58Tpxf0eelxH3ERVYiFjy4_kC5tkk8HcMTdBT_0w X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 There's one that I know of:=20 Space World's shot (drop?) tower got 'stuck' mid-tower, and when they (or t= he fire department) attempted to begin removing guests, one was caught brie= fly between the car and the manlift basket before falling to the ground. There's some very grainy Korean TV footage online out there of the incident= . Not entirely S&S's fault there, but if the ride had operated properly... Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Lance Hart wrote: > > The only accidents I've ever heard of on any B&M coaster involved deaths = due > to pre-existing conditions, andto be fair, I did not list those in that l= ong > list of Intamin accidents either. > Also by comparison, I can't think of a single accident on an S&S Tower > either, so put those stats in a side by side comparison with all the > problems with Intamin tower rides. >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, fluffythegod3000 wrote: >=20 > > > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > > "munkye1972" wrote: > > > > > > I'm with Lance on this one: I'm really not digging Intamin's safety > > record. The two S&S rides never had this much trouble? > > > > im gonna play devil's advocate for a second and say that while that lis= t of > > accidents looks pretty bad, would there be a similar list for B&M? i ca= nt > > think of any high profile accidents involving their rides off the top o= f my > > head, but that doesnt mean they havent happened. anyone? > > > > Doug aka B&M Tool > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sat Oct 03 07:42:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7602 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 14:42:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 14:42:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f209.google.com) (209.85.217.209) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 14:42:50 -0000 X-Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1so2521621gxk.19 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:42:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.203.1 with SMTP id f1mr2268667agq.55.1254580970271; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:42:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8d240fd50910010541w460971a4gb0ff895fbf1bb7d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:42:50 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0910030742y4945846bu7d7e427f474a41f7@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=dbsybLJDCKYORYII2GGG5Q7FuG1aA-5QJysEAOu8SWMcjWY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Actually, that was a local knock off of a Huss Shot n Drop. Adam On 10/3/09, munkye1972 wrote: > There's one that I know of: > > Space World's shot (drop?) tower got 'stuck' mid-tower, and when they (or > the fire department) attempted to begin removing guests, one was caught > briefly between the car and the manlift basket before falling to the ground. > > There's some very grainy Korean TV footage online out there of the incident. > > > Not entirely S&S's fault there, but if the ride had operated properly... > > Chris > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Lance Hart wrote: >> >> The only accidents I've ever heard of on any B&M coaster involved deaths >> due >> to pre-existing conditions, andto be fair, I did not list those in that >> long >> list of Intamin accidents either. >> Also by comparison, I can't think of a single accident on an S&S Tower >> either, so put those stats in a side by side comparison with all the >> problems with Intamin tower rides. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, fluffythegod3000 wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > --- In >> > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, >> > "munkye1972" wrote: >> > > >> > > I'm with Lance on this one: I'm really not digging Intamin's safety >> > record. The two S&S rides never had this much trouble? >> > >> > im gonna play devil's advocate for a second and say that while that list >> > of >> > accidents looks pretty bad, would there be a similar list for B&M? i >> > cant >> > think of any high profile accidents involving their rides off the top of >> > my >> > head, but that doesnt mean they havent happened. anyone? >> > >> > Doug aka B&M Tool >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Oct 03 22:56:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42189 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 05:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 05:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 05:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 05:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 05:56:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:56:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0910030742y4945846bu7d7e427f474a41f7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: Xcelerator pics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=jfNmAO0hPdY-Ixw1SRXljP6v9qWO2mrxuqNz0OUISmyVWWpKrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Then the video was not from Space World, as that was definitely an S&S towe= r. (The logo was visible on the OTSRs.) It was there on my first visit, alb= eit not on the map and the entrance was boarded up, but it was gone by my s= econd visit. I could never confirm it was the tower from the video, but the= backgrounds are similar and with the way Japanese parks typically react af= ter an accident, (Years of SBNO before an eventual removal) I'd always just= figured that must have been the one. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrot= e: > > Actually, that was a local knock off of a Huss Shot n Drop. >=20 > Adam >=20 > On 10/3/09, munkye1972 wrote: > > There's one that I know of: > > > > Space World's shot (drop?) tower got 'stuck' mid-tower, and when they (= or > > the fire department) attempted to begin removing guests, one was caught > > briefly between the car and the manlift basket before falling to the gr= ound. > > > > There's some very grainy Korean TV footage online out there of the inci= dent. > > > > > > Not entirely S&S's fault there, but if the ride had operated properly..= . > > > > Chris > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Lance Hart wrote: > >> > >> The only accidents I've ever heard of on any B&M coaster involved deat= hs > >> due > >> to pre-existing conditions, andto be fair, I did not list those in tha= t > >> long > >> list of Intamin accidents either. > >> Also by comparison, I can't think of a single accident on an S&S Tower > >> either, so put those stats in a side by side comparison with all the > >> problems with Intamin tower rides. > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, fluffythegod3000 wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > --- In > >> > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > >> > "munkye1972" wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I'm with Lance on this one: I'm really not digging Intamin's safet= y > >> > record. The two S&S rides never had this much trouble? > >> > > >> > im gonna play devil's advocate for a second and say that while that = list > >> > of > >> > accidents looks pretty bad, would there be a similar list for B&M? i > >> > cant > >> > think of any high profile accidents involving their rides off the to= p of > >> > my > >> > head, but that doesnt mean they havent happened. anyone? > >> > > >> > Doug aka B&M Tool > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Oct 05 05:27:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97804 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 12:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 12:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 12:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2009 12:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2009 12:26:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:26:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ac60f2f.02c3f10a.78b8.0a06@mx.google.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.135 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Re: MISC: The most boring flat ride ever? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=EJ0Nafc1ZxeU3r8BqS3DqDy-NKxB-E07G_mZt7rbCOpeqKB8jw X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Wow! What amazing theming. Although that particular ride looked tame, I can= imagine the same idea applied to a more vigorous ride. That's really spect= acular. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Sandy" wr= ote: > > Huss's King Kong, this one at Bobbejaanland. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dtpk-jIjdsa4 > > &feature=3Drelated >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Adam From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 07 17:51:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95028 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 00:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 00:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 00:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2009 00:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2009 00:51:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:51:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.195.127 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: The most boring flat ride ever? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=eTYb_DWO4tyHaSiBL0-MnnIOZ5GA2eZGbetyt8Lk6DYpclTs0SUe X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Wow! What amazing theming. Although that particular ride looked tame, I c= an imagine the same idea applied to a more vigorous ride. That's really spe= ctacular. < That was my thought, too. The point of King Kong isn't to whip you around = like a Top Spin but to surround you with the experience of being lifted up = in the air by a giant ape. I imagine kids would love the ride, and many pa= rents as well. Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Oct 08 17:07:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28200 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 00:07:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 00:07:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 00:07:53 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mw31U-0006Vm-LN for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4ACE7ED2.7090802@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:07:46 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47852092631cd6b1103731563f9527d222a9e8b89af4a789b20350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=y3O59e_Tr7JQOAxh6je3uJ5b066bLsl7VIn3o1ZZCUvaV4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash The long awaited and expected announcement finally came- Blackstone is purchasing all of the Busch parks for about 2.7 million. They plan to keep them in their own division and not lined up or partnered with Universal, Legoland, or any other properties. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-seaworld-orlando-sold-100709,0,1554695.story keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 08 17:12:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38886 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 00:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 00:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f185.google.com) (209.85.221.185) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 00:11:56 -0000 X-Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so5662990qyk.23 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:11:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.123.198 with SMTP id q6mr1901197qar.209.1255047113139; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:11:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ACE7ED2.7090802@earthlink.net> References: <4ACE7ED2.7090802@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:11:53 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0910081711t3e132dbft58b1154395d40602@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=rxOFb-bRXeR3zVhZd7wwD3P_7PKylnIhts57d-DxfTcY6_KwcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like you typed an "m" when it's supposed to be a "b" in there, George. :) At $2.7 Million, I'm sure you could have found any number of coaster/park fans pooling their money together for that. :) $2.7 Billion, is a different story. Josh On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, george burnash wrote: > > > The long awaited and expected announcement finally came- Blackstone is > purchasing all of the Busch parks for about 2.7 million. They plan to > keep them in their own division and not lined up or partnered with > Universal, Legoland, or any other properties. > > > http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-seaworld-orlando-sold-100709,0,1554695.story > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ------------------------------------ > With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Oct 08 18:24:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25537 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n991Oe8r003981 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:24:41 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c2a.4f3fa520 (33856) for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:24:35 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=WYR61zA1HhT3aVad17m__4WHXOVcZkmCTpGTPMpvAj8MHXZ93A X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/8/2009 8:08:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gburnash@earthlink.net writes: The long awaited and expected announcement finally came- Blackstone is purchasing all of the Busch parks for about 2.7 million. They plan to keep them in their own division and not lined up or partnered with Universal, Legoland, or any other properties. Bad, Bad, Bad! Mm Mm Mm! That's all I can say about it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 08 18:42:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48329 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:42:28 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so282868qwd.27 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:42:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.16.73 with SMTP id n9mr1980892qaa.91.1255052548218; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:42:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:42:28 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0910081842j1b36fbb8v47766980e458be1d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=GoZRw2NaQMJwjH1F2Ya782POPkKzHkawCPKKaAVuf57YRs8P1g X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not even sure what that means. Care to elaborate? Josh On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM, wrote: > > Bad, Bad, Bad! Mm Mm Mm! That's all I can say about it! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Oct 08 18:47:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63491 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n991leaW031527 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:40 -0400 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bc7.4dcfaa2c (33856) for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:35 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=X0H3UoHrBGJtq-pzmw3Tkyo7kqvAD8SBW82KuzA15Ac1LX8iHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I'm not even sure what that means. Care to elaborate? Josh" It means the end of the Busch branding. It means big changes that may or may not be good for the parks. Since it wont be owned by Anheiser-BUSCH, I doubt they can even call the parks Busch Gardens. One thing, I guess we can't lay the big mistake of the Big Bad Wolf removal on them. I hope I'm wrong, maybe it will be a good thing. Time will tell. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From josh.wozny@gmail.com Thu Oct 08 18:55:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89078 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f173.google.com) (209.85.221.173) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:55:14 -0000 X-Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so427423qyk.1 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:55:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.103.19 with SMTP id i19mr1980099qao.143.1255053314390; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:55:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:55:14 -0400 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0910081855ued6ebafibcd742284a34a3c2@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=QAArzPUdorN50e0e7ZljU5GzkeJA1xUd6u_crMJhfHgm7s7XJg X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buuut, by all accounts I've seen, they're keeping the Busch branding, and it looks like A-B is going to keep on sponsoring them. So, the names will stay the same, and hopefully the parks won't be affected. I still don't think I'd call BBW's removal a "mistake". Sure, I loved the ride and It'll be sad not having it a part of BGW as I've always known it, but that was an aggressive ride, and I'm sure it was really hard on wheels/assemblies. Can't blame them for retiring it. Though I'd rather have seen them try new trains or something first, I doubt that was a feasible option. Josh On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:47 PM, wrote: > > > "I'm not even sure what that means. Care to elaborate? > > Josh" > > > It means the end of the Busch branding. It means big changes that may or > may not be good > for the parks. Since it wont be owned by Anheiser-BUSCH, I doubt they can > even call the parks > Busch Gardens. One thing, I guess we can't lay the big mistake of the Big > Bad Wolf removal > on them. I hope I'm wrong, maybe it will be a good thing. Time will tell. > > Brian > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Oct 08 19:11:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21152 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 02:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 02:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.147) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 02:11:31 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so2312014qwk.36 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:11:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.34.193 with SMTP id m1mr1974559qad.247.1255054290541; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm354179qwg.3.2009.10.08.19.11.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ace9bd1.85c2f10a.55a4.3d15@mx.google.com> To: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:11:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcpIgn6TJ41e6AegTh+wtaS7R7s4kgAAiW4g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: RE: NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=hRkNL_ca_J_1oGosdvjqzL7b09pr9LXysBUAiCwB2uvCtEU X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Since it wont be owned by Anheiser-BUSCH, I doubt they can even call the parks Busch Gardens." It hasn't been owned by Anheuser-Busch for some time, once In-Bev took over AB Busch Entertainment had a different operating philosophy. As Josh mentioned, the sale documents indicate the branding will remain in place. For the amount of money being asked there were not a lot of buyers, and with Blackstone keeping the Busch parks their own entity I do not think you could ask for a lot more. You can bet that Blackstone will give the Busch parks a lot more capital investment funding than In-Bev ever would have. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Oct 08 19:27:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77183 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 02:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 02:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.8.8) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 02:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 14988657 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:27:17 -0500 X-Received: (qmail 23921 invoked by uid 99); 9 Oct 2009 02:27:17 -0000 Date: 8 Oct 2009 21:27:16 -0500 X-Received: from 76.204.95.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:27:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <192c6c4264845e238ef40f5a5ad382a5.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:27:16 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.8.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=B-WxWSNxlH-FK082ubkVf4iyfgrOWC321sF8vBaMKGXFrf810cQxSGT_XdCuwhJQOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds@sbcglobal.net Brian, I see you did not read the full Orlando Sentinel article that George linked to his message. Right near the end of the article it states, and I quote as follows: " The sale was also made tricky by Blackstone's desire to continue using the Busch name, which keeps one of A-B InBev's better-known brands intertwined with the parks even though the company itself no longer is. " David Rounds > "I'm not even sure what that means. Care to elaborate? > > Josh" > > > It means the end of the Busch branding. It means big changes that may or > may not be good > for the parks. Since it wont be owned by Anheiser-BUSCH, I doubt they can > even call the parks > Busch Gardens. One thing, I guess we can't lay the big mistake of the Big > Bad Wolf removal > on them. I hope I'm wrong, maybe it will be a good thing. Time will tell. > > Brian > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 09 02:44:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85236 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 09:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 09:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 09:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MwC1X-0008Bt-45 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4ACF05F8.4020209@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:44:24 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4ace9bd1.85c2f10a.55a4.3d15@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4ace9bd1.85c2f10a.55a4.3d15@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47852092631cd6b110350b89d25424a493db248cc5bb185bec8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: NEWS: Blackstone announces purchase of Busch parks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ZglU2QOtY8GaUGunkorNto5D7qqLN96HyOyEONjrNK2Dyaw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Briguy said: > "Since it wont be owned by Anheiser-BUSCH, I doubt they can even call the > parks Busch Gardens." > As has already been pointed out, they are keeping the Busch name on the parks, as that was part of the deal. They are even going to continue to sell Anheuser Busch beers and products in the parks, and keeping the current management structure and people. Only thing that people will see changing is that some logos will be removed and the horses won't be in the parks anymore. Adam Sandy wrote: > > For the amount of money being asked there were not a lot of buyers, and with > Blackstone keeping the Busch parks their own entity I do not think you could > ask for a lot more. You can bet that Blackstone will give the Busch parks a > lot more capital investment funding than In-Bev ever would have. Personally, I don't think you could have asked for a better buyer. Who would you choose? Six Flags? Cedar Fair? Then you could guarantee the parks would be ruined. Look at the parks that Blackstone already owns and runs- Legoland and Universal Orlando. They are the only places I've seen in the states that holds a candle to Disney when it comes to operations, themeing, and overall quality of parks- especially on a large scale like this. They are the only ones I could see keeping these parks operating at the same quality they've been, and actually even improve them. They've got a proven track record of running parks and running them very well. And that actually makes me, at least, very pleased with the sale. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. 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--YCalReminder=Y8tcYN59kFZ8bXGA1255413008-1-- From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 13:22:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88218 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 20:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2009 20:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f211.google.com) (209.85.219.211) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 20:22:16 -0000 X-Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so188548ewy.17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.91.80 with SMTP id g58mr2943449wef.122.1255551732239; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ac60f2f.02c3f10a.78b8.0a06@mx.google.com> References: <4ac60f2f.02c3f10a.78b8.0a06@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:22:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The most boring flat ride ever? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=kRh89DCs9NcOYAQH3wl2JtA3m_GxT2PHjTh5COfAEUYGHatmA0QSPDc X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Huss's King Kong, this one at Bobbejaanland. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpk-jIjdsa4 > > &feature=related I LOL'd when I first saw that awhile back. It looks like an awful lot of money was spent on a pretty pointless attraction. Kind of like launching 120mph into a brake run... ;) -Nate From bri_man2007@yahoo.com Wed Oct 14 22:07:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bri_man2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67999 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 05:07:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2009 05:07:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.75.1) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2009 05:07:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19244 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2009 05:06:32 -0000 Message-ID: <36815.16594.qm@web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2DKQfxMVM1kZDtqTp_QndZTA5hLhHHecmvl3YMZyQ2Ug5MKEp1gcCfsvvgNDqlkuEjadmIXkh4jD4ddNV6FKwIII8HyGu9oX9mLosiIphUTf3oPs.yia81VbFpZdkqB14psMuYNcDxi9amgFNlHeF7KID_9e5ShyHuvQ_10dDvUTYDRx_7us3.Wbluicq9SlfShRe2k2ip.MFD9UcgOM5l2F.3w3wi6FzHoWEzFxmcGJL4aNOSRM5b._RAd_kbJCG1xNe11un41o68bkSbcydIpR._IPp8dtzHC0bq2OGrslRzBqXC4WtKJN5gYk2iDpJwnxcxEiQPsjLWpygcMeoY4n4BmpJ0SVrJyyNm0GuRXctHTqC08Nf8K2NrQGJucmf8YiBLJDe21r4ssGCBOITDm11eZ_I_W2wShu X-Received: from [172.129.56.135] by web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:06:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:06:31 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.75.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brian McFeely Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The most boring flat ride ever? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296598703; y=65EICMLc8KKwQnFNwInfMtPm90Y1rRtCQHRxoKIBgarEs7VRPtw X-Yahoo-Profile: bri_man2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I took a look at the video, and the ride certainly looks boring. But, I thi= nk people will line up to ride it, just get to look in Kongs mouth. And, it= is certainly photoworthy. It is probably the coolest boring ride I have ev= er seen. --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The most boring flat ride ever? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 4:22 PM =A0=20 > Huss's King Kong, this one at Bobbejaanland. > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3Dtpk-jIjdsa4 > > &feature=3Drelated I LOL'd when I first saw that awhile back. It looks like an awful lot of money was spent on a pretty pointless attraction. Kind of like launching 120mph into a brake run... ;) -Nate =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 22:28:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7666 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 05:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2009 05:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f219.google.com) (209.85.219.219) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2009 05:28:50 -0000 X-Received: by ewy19 with SMTP id 19so552845ewy.4 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:28:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.91.80 with SMTP id g58mr3075326wef.122.1255584529411; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:28:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <36815.16594.qm@web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <36815.16594.qm@web62202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:28:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The most boring flat ride ever? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=pP_BC4a1q8d_FNmnY6YzfB01WnI-0ItaMevstVrYM-WUsZYt08jpWFg X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I took a look at the video, and the ride certainly looks boring. But, I think people will line up to ride it, just get to look in Kongs mouth. And, it is certainly photoworthy. It is probably the coolest boring ride I have ever seen. I think it would be even better if the ape would open its mouth and threateningly say, "Now you will pay!!!" just before setting the tram down. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 05:28:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51504 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 12:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2009 12:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f187.google.com) (209.85.211.187) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2009 12:28:19 -0000 X-Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so762634ywh.2 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:28:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.28.2 with SMTP id f2mr128759agj.16.1255609698763; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:28:18 -0400 Message-ID: <165816ef0910150528v107c5f36vcdc1794e7575ce37@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: MISC: Photos Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=jojZIwvYXmQpmNnyPj6Ob11tBHLL0VuuHd3fg-6myN76Fvs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am working on a company retrospective (www.rideentertainment.com) for IAAPA and naturally we do not have all the images I would like. It is amazing what you either don't get or forget to save. I am looking for digital or scanned prints shots of: Marineland 3-tower S&S complex Wild Adventures (specifically Cheetah, Screamin' Swing, Skycoaster, Double Shot, Rapids Ride) Boss Villain Skycoaster- Seoul Land Skycoaster- Parque de la Costa If you have these and are interested in sharing please email me at my work address (asandy@rideentertainment.com) for further details. Thanks for letting me take up space in your inbox, Adam PS: George, I don't think this violates our TOS, please let me know if it does. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Oct 15 14:07:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75746 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 21:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2009 21:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2009 21:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9FL7oH6018643 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:07:50 -0400 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c41.68edee21 (44229) for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:07:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.102] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD087-acc54ad78f212ea; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:07:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4AD78F22.1010204@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:07:46 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <165816ef0910150528v107c5f36vcdc1794e7575ce37@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0910150528v107c5f36vcdc1794e7575ce37@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Photos Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=AXkjyv24c832dxQAIsoCA3zDyUGbpL2LkEKhmXXfZW0vLQNlWw X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Adam Sandy wrote: > I am working on a company retrospective (www.rideentertainment.com) for > IAAPA and naturally we do not have all the images I would like. It is > amazing what you either don't get or forget to save. I am looking for > digital or scanned prints shots of: > Marineland 3-tower S&S complex > Wild Adventures (specifically Cheetah, Screamin' Swing, Skycoaster, Double > Shot, Rapids Ride) > Boss > Villain > Skycoaster- Seoul Land > Skycoaster- Parque de la Costa > > If you have these and are interested in sharing please email me at my work > address (asandy@rideentertainment.com) for further details. > > Thanks for letting me take up space in your inbox, > Adam > > PS: George, I don't think this violates our TOS, please let me know if it > does. > I don't think this is a problem with the TOS Adam. BTW, I have a couple shots of the S&S towers, though not all that great. Can't help you with the others. I will forward those however. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com The Insensitivity rolls on... McCarthy was RIGHT! Behind every great man is a great woman... rolling her eyes. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Oct 15 16:31:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67931 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 23:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2009 23:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2009 23:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2009 23:31:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2009 23:31:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2009 23:31:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:31:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0910150528v107c5f36vcdc1794e7575ce37@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: MISC: Photos Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=poppEn2-bmOI9kyJBTmQ1CdkJYr3kBKx34cGfmuIKBUZQiT1Gg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrot= e: > > I am working on a company retrospective (www.rideentertainment.com) for > IAAPA and naturally we do not have all the images I would like. It is > amazing what you either don't get or forget to save. I am looking for > digital or scanned prints shots of: > Marineland 3-tower S&S complex > Wild Adventures (specifically Cheetah, Screamin' Swing, Skycoaster, Doubl= e > Shot, Rapids Ride) > Boss > Villain > Skycoaster- Seoul Land > Skycoaster- Parque de la Costa >=20 > If you have these and are interested in sharing please email me at my wor= k > address (asandy@...) for further details. >=20 > Thanks for letting me take up space in your inbox, > Adam >=20 > PS: George, I don't think this violates our TOS, please let me know if it > does. >=20 I'll look to see what I have. I'll check what I have for Seoul Land, but I'= m pretty sure either the Skycoaster wasn't there yet, or I didn't get any p= ictures, though.=20 Not been to Parque de la Coasta, but yes to all of the others...=20 Chris From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 16 04:09:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24853 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2009 11:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2009 11:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.69) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2009 11:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mykgx-0007Ms-38 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:09:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4AD85478.1020804@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:09:44 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <165816ef0910150528v107c5f36vcdc1794e7575ce37@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0910150528v107c5f36vcdc1794e7575ce37@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47852092631cd6b11035d28aa1de3e440539d86ab0c9ffeb894350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Photos Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=eY_kuFDqkgpSl-ELH-I6TO38ecsyDUpLR3ITnO3HfSQVCzA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > > > I am working on a company retrospective (www.rideentertainment.com) for > IAAPA and naturally we do not have all the images I would like. It is > amazing what you either don't get or forget to save. I am looking for > digital or scanned prints shots of: > Marineland 3-tower S&S complex > Wild Adventures (specifically Cheetah, Screamin' Swing, Skycoaster, Double > Shot, Rapids Ride) Not sure if I have any pics that'll work for you or not, but you're more than welcome to use any of mine. Gallery of them is located at: http://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks-Roller/Eastern-US/Wild-Adventures-Valdosta-GA/181066_PUnvk/1/6842636_xKUW3 There's at least one of the double shot on page 2. The last 3 pages are all fireworks shots- or attempts at them, so you don't need to waste time looking at those. > PS: George, I don't think this violates our TOS, please let me know if it > does. not at all. Only thing I consider a violation of the TOS is when someone new to the list and unknown starts spamming things to sell- especially if they haven't asked first. Otherwise it's no problem- especially someone who's been on the list for so long and obviously out to make a quick buck off of us. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Oct 17 07:46:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65412 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2009 14:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2009 14:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2009 14:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2009 14:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2009 14:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2009 14:46:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:46:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0910150528v107c5f36vcdc1794e7575ce37@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: MISC: Photos Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=X999RkrjpdE9GYipbC9gKyZm1ylYrDxoqe9hy3l0_FKt91lJCw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Sorry, Adam. Everything I have from Seoul Land is after dark, and I did not= see the Skycoaster even in the backgrounds of what I did take. Was it near= the log flume, or am I remembering another park?=20 As for the US/Canada stuff, I know the tower at Marineland wasn't open yet = (but under construction) during my one and only visit. Wild Adv. was in win= ter-mode, so a lot was closed. I cannot find pictures of Villain and Boss i= n my files, so either I shot them with film (first visits) or figured there= were plenty of pictures and didn't take any (later visits).=20 Jeez. I thought I'd have had something for you.=20 :( Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrot= e: > > I am working on a company retrospective (www.rideentertainment.com) for > IAAPA and naturally we do not have all the images I would like. It is > amazing what you either don't get or forget to save. I am looking for > digital or scanned prints shots of: > Marineland 3-tower S&S complex > Wild Adventures (specifically Cheetah, Screamin' Swing, Skycoaster, Doubl= e > Shot, Rapids Ride) > Boss > Villain > Skycoaster- Seoul Land > Skycoaster- Parque de la Costa >=20 > If you have these and are interested in sharing please email me at my wor= k > address (asandy@...) for further details. >=20 > Thanks for letting me take up space in your inbox, > Adam >=20 > PS: George, I don't think this violates our TOS, please let me know if it > does. >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Oct 18 15:39:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33365 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2009 22:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2009 22:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f194.google.com) (209.85.221.194) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2009 22:39:50 -0000 X-Received: by qyk32 with SMTP id 32so2648493qyk.4 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.43.139 with SMTP id w11mr2291254qae.28.1255905590032; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from VALUED3253602F (c-76-100-101-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.100.101.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm3019984qyk.5.2009.10.18.15.39.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4adb9935.9453f10a.6858.ffffd10c@mx.google.com> To: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:39:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-reply-to: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcpPOK4HHyugUoZQT4uKJTRvHLyWygBCxv8g X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: MISC: Photos Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=PgiTcq7679sEhFf_jYjlDL8fpKfz83nIzEImQVSgVqEbxkI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No worries Chris, thanks for looking. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sun Oct 18 16:18:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8619 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2009 23:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2009 23:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vps3544.inmotionhosting.com) (69.174.53.5) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2009 23:18:20 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by vps3544.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mzf10-0000Pz-6i for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4554271F7A8C4A3C80CCA22C91D5D031@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: <4adb9935.9453f10a.6858.ffffd10c@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4adb9935.9453f10a.6858.ffffd10c@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:18:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps3544.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 69.174.53.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Photos Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=YF1NIfK9wX3kj-Gk1SBD1JLqrVk5ZjF5Uu81CDv6VvoFCYAOAo8kXdxHMw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Adam, I've got a few of the Cheetah if you need them, but none I'm too proud of. ;-) It wasn't the most photogenic coaster to shoot from the public access pathways. Are you looking for something in particular? Close up of the G-Trains, a wide view of the lift, or anything? I can see if I've got something that might work. I thought I had one of the Doubelshot, but I can't find a thing, so I guess I never shot it... From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 15:37:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83731 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 22:37:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 22:37:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 22:37:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 22:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 22:37:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:37:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.195.127 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: The most boring flat ride ever? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=8h6cyYsx1FJQ9Nddo26kdOTqKlErYwGOuzJ_0C4Hfkapdy7PivA8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think it would be even better if the ape would open its mouth and threa= teningly say, "Now you will pay!!!" just before setting the tram down. < LOL! That brightened my day. Maybe Kong should have a fleet of drum-beati= ng minions too. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 20:42:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46168 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2009 03:42:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2009 03:42:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2009 03:42:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 03:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 03:42:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:42:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: QUESTION: Coaster Poll? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=X8byshPhFlcq35kC5ba4CeqOL9JHRYjxz_HciKPqEfHzN_TFtg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 So, is Mitch's Coaster Poll getting too big?=20 Last year, we added all of the wood coasters worldwide to the poll, as ther= e was only a small amount missing.=20 The question at hand is this:=20 The Steel Poll has gotten HUGE over the years, and some feel that it is too= difficult to complete in an honest, meaningful fashion. Do you guys think = it should be pared back some?=20 Mitch has taken some of my suggestions the past couple years, and there's b= een a LOT of input from enthusiasts worldwide. I'd like to get some feedbac= k from you guys if you could.=20 Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make it ea= sier for you?=20 Should the list of coasters be scaled back?=20 Any other input? Mitch's logarithmic program is just about maxed out, so we know that we can= not make it much bigger so there is a real need to decide what to do. Remo= ve some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combine more production mode= ls?=20 Thanks in advance for any ideas you have. Chris From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Oct 29 10:30:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81941 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2009 17:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2009 17:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2009 17:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 17:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 17:29:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:29:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.19.236.170 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Rollercoaster Envi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ApM1EYON0Shk4UinGyDT3mSY7HULlbGcxvXv4cQlJQswlc3uJQjb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For those with iPhones or Touches, the company Envision makes a couple of i= nteresting apps. 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Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Oct 29 19:15:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35262 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2009 02:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2009 02:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2009 02:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2009 02:14:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2009 02:14:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:14:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.193.30 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Coaster Poll? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=kFh5HVk_bFSEaCUg5Vn9opFusySVGnoKS5_090UGm25m_kDpOonh X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Do you guys think it should be pared back some? < I'm not sure. There are pros and cons. Some coasters are so similar to ot= hers, it can seem redundant (Racer / Rebel Yell, for example). On the othe= r hand, the more data there is, the more accurate the result (usually). I = think in some cases, the appreciation of a coaster owes a lot to the park t= hat it's in. When people have a good time in general at a park, they may l= ook more favorably upon the coasters. I really appreciate what Mitch does; no one else really does anything like = that. And I also appreciate the international scope of it. > Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make it = easier for you? < I think the best thing that's happened has been the online version. The e-= mailed version took a lot of patience. But the online version makes it pai= nless, especially since there are so many coasters listed now. > we know that we can not make it much bigger so there is a real need to de= cide what to do. Remove some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combine= more production models? < The stock company-specific models (all Mack mice; all Maurer-Sohne mice) an= d production models (Galaxies, Boomerangs, Zyklons, etc.) could be grouped = together. I don't think the list would suffer much from that. The emphasi= s would then be on the "major" or signature rides at a park. But would the= ming enter into the equation? Would a spinning mouse that's heavily themed= be treated differently from one that's out in the open? Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Oct 29 20:15:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78784 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2009 03:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2009 03:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2009 03:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2009 03:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2009 03:11:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:11:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Coaster Poll? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=kpyR_yP7wJB1OtkYrxMlZ8vWsjpQpxujCwIo7HOzzqKP_tu3gA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I believe the online version that you are referring to is the work of Ted f= rom CoasterFanatics. His poll helper has been very well received and has ce= rtainly increased the number of ballots being received. (It still generates= a .txt document and sends it to Mitch, though.) The billion or so wild mice have been lumped together for years as 'Fav Wil= d Mouse' and the few heavily themed ones (Exterminator, Dark Knight, Scooby= Doo) have had seperate ballot lines for about as long. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" = wrote: > > > Do you guys think it should be pared back some? < >=20 > I'm not sure. There are pros and cons. Some coasters are so similar to = others, it can seem redundant (Racer / Rebel Yell, for example). On the ot= her hand, the more data there is, the more accurate the result (usually). = I think in some cases, the appreciation of a coaster owes a lot to the park= that it's in. When people have a good time in general at a park, they may= look more favorably upon the coasters. >=20 > I really appreciate what Mitch does; no one else really does anything lik= e that. And I also appreciate the international scope of it. >=20 > > Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make i= t easier for you? < >=20 > I think the best thing that's happened has been the online version. The = e-mailed version took a lot of patience. But the online version makes it p= ainless, especially since there are so many coasters listed now. >=20 > > we know that we can not make it much bigger so there is a real need to = decide what to do. Remove some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combi= ne more production models? < >=20 > The stock company-specific models (all Mack mice; all Maurer-Sohne mice) = and production models (Galaxies, Boomerangs, Zyklons, etc.) could be groupe= d together. I don't think the list would suffer much from that. The empha= sis would then be on the "major" or signature rides at a park. But would t= heming enter into the equation? Would a spinning mouse that's heavily them= ed be treated differently from one that's out in the open? >=20 > Jay > From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Oct 29 22:51:21 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40667 invoked by uid 7800); 30 Oct 2009 05:51:17 -0000 Date: 30 Oct 2009 05:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1256881877.8.40666.m5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=XapIQxgQ4tiulyiQP1256881867-1" --YCalReminder=XapIQxgQ4tiulyiQP1256881867-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal AstroWorld closed Friday October 30, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) 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--YCalReminder=XapIQxgQ4tiulyiQP1256881867-1-- From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Tue Nov 03 14:39:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14956 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 22:39:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2009 22:39:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f180.google.com) (209.85.211.180) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 22:39:34 -0000 X-Received: by ywh10 with SMTP id 10so6047027ywh.8 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:39:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.183.4 with SMTP id k4mr1635243agp.41.1257287973849; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:39:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: <165816ef0911031439l1c1c9f30jac5b2d6cf71db8a1@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=KCaJA3kjaUd72hu5apXAno7QOM4oDZJ7cBlbYuWVm8oykds X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this sounds like a typical enthusiast question, but does anyone know a food guide or have recommendations for eating in WDW, Epcot, Studios, or Animal Kingdom? Thanks, Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Nov 03 14:47:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91038 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 22:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2009 22:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f213.google.com) (209.85.219.213) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 22:47:05 -0000 X-Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so6293511ewy.25 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:46:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.88.83 with SMTP id z61mr229048wee.140.1257288390443; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:46:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <165816ef0911031439l1c1c9f30jac5b2d6cf71db8a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <165816ef0911031439l1c1c9f30jac5b2d6cf71db8a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:46:30 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LhjjvsBBPa2RpMW2Y2Uv5_8oxRFR9yzn7bQZhiGf6zWvrsxf-cXml5w X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I know this sounds like a typical enthusiast question, but does anyone know > a food guide or have recommendations for eating in WDW, Epcot, Studios, or > Animal Kingdom? If Josh doesn't reply, I would suggest contacting him off-list. He's always talking about it. :) -Nate From Briguy7568@aol.com Tue Nov 03 15:03:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7514 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 23:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2009 23:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 23:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA3N2oXP002323 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:02:50 -0500 X-Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c82.555a9b91 (41811) for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:02:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:02:48 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=Jst4na1j2Gnd-KQiZjdcVsnXGLxDyQe4RNZh30ZL-JPcXdnfJg X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The barbecue place at Animal Kingdom is awesome. Epcot, I recommend the food court. Very healthy food there. Magic Kingdom, go for Fish N Chips in Libertyland. Hollywood Studios, I've not had anything I like there! lol [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Nov 03 15:58:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82651 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 23:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2009 23:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 23:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5TGX-0001Fb-O1 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: <4AF0C398.4020803@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:58:16 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <165816ef0911031439l1c1c9f30jac5b2d6cf71db8a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <165816ef0911031439l1c1c9f30jac5b2d6cf71db8a1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478c68cb8952387417b7dc9a1467debbaad3362683b1bc5fc83350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=QNPIKlpfw6EiZnFkQts-GHmP5imRrQAT5VLLKaefrk9AIv8 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > > > I know this sounds like a typical enthusiast question, but does anyone know > a food guide or have recommendations for eating in WDW, Epcot, Studios, or > Animal Kingdom? What would you like to know? There's so many choices and so many types that it's hard to give out advice without knowing a bit more. If you're looking at buffet or table service, then be sure to make reservations ahead of time. Trying to get a table walking in is near impossible. Reservations are done through calling 407-WDW-DINE. If you have other questions, feel free to ask away. About the only other thing I cay off hand is to forget about Rainforest Cafe or Planet Hollywood. Overpriced and not that good. They actually cost more than most of the Disney restaurants and the food quality isn't as good. Otherwise it's pretty hard to go wrong at Disney. keep on ridin' George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Nov 03 19:48:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43270 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 03:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2009 03:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 03:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2009 03:43:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2009 03:43:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:43:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.186.21 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=WFAAqc0E5e-n3ZXnxhEJYLYxDktBqnsgenHJRKD3-UeQRB8G6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@... wrote: > > The barbecue place at Animal Kingdom is awesome. Epcot, I recommend the = =20 > food court. Very healthy food there. Magic Kingdom, go for Fish N Chips i= n=20=20 > Libertyland. Hollywood Studios, I've not had anything I like there! lol >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I liked the Cuban sandwich at the ABC Comissary at the Studios. I don't rem= ember what Mayumi had, but it was pretty good, too. We did the Japanese Pavillion when we went to EPCOT. (Shocking, I know.) It= was quite good. I think George is probably right: You can't really go wrong at WDW when din= ing. Unless of course, you limit yourself to burgers & fries. Chris From lance@screamscape.com Tue Nov 03 20:22:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15954 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 04:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2009 04:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vps3544.inmotionhosting.com) (69.174.53.5) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 04:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by vps3544.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5XO1-00068r-0V for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:22:23 -0500 Message-ID: <51097BC3181D4CC5BD508DD3E6233C67@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:22:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps3544.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 69.174.53.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=sdIJUUP_fJW98ijAE9yBOYTqLqxkSllQYWFaR8q9yIMLtMgIS75pudct1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>I think George is probably right: You can't really go wrong at WDW when >>dining. Unless of course, you limit yourself to burgers & fries. Got to disagree... typically I've never been fond of theme park food at WDW or virtually anywhere. The burgers and Fries are typically awful in general at just about every park I've ever visited... As far as WDW goes... I never found anything above typical park level garbage food at the Magic Kingdom or Animal Kingdom, but Yak & Yeti wasn't there yet at AK before I moved away, so that may be worth checking out. Some people swear by The Cellar at Epcot (Canada Pavilion) as a good Steakhouse, though I think the food I enjoyed the most was either in Mexico (which had good or bad eras... I haven't tried it lately) and I did enjoy 9 Dragon's at China every time I are there. For some "fun" times with some so-so food, we used to try the restauant in the Germany section... but the name escapes me, but you've got to get one of the BIG beers when you eat there. ;-) Studios has some better eateries I've tried, but was never anything I went back over and over for. I've heard good things about the Brown Derby, but only tried it once. Prime Time Cafe was also a hoot, mixing a fun environment with slightly better than average food. Thinking back... only two theme park related eateries were always on my must do list when visiting their parks... both in California. Blue Bayou at Disneyland and Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant at Knott's Berry Farm... From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Nov 04 03:07:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82682 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 11:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2009 11:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f182.google.com) (209.85.221.182) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 11:05:40 -0000 X-Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so3562661qyk.6 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:05:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.126.209 with SMTP id d17mr658616qas.263.1257332740247; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:05:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <165816ef0911031439l1c1c9f30jac5b2d6cf71db8a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0911040305n20e08885k344d793318a70d32@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=jXdt8heJ8Nl54PsQ3qWdoj6pc3MrY5s_urTzoyV2qRBtBCkkjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :-D Unfortunately, I'm off to work right now - but I'll offer my .02 a little bit later. Or, you can email me off-list and I'll offer you some advice. As a foodie and a Disney-freak, I won't steer you wrong. Josh On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > I know this sounds like a typical enthusiast question, but does anyone > know > > a food guide or have recommendations for eating in WDW, Epcot, Studios, > or > > Animal Kingdom? > > If Josh doesn't reply, I would suggest contacting him off-list. He's > always talking about it. :) > > -Nate > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Nov 04 04:15:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43752 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 12:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2009 12:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f210.google.com) (209.85.217.210) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:15:06 -0000 X-Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so6093815gxk.4 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:15:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.192.14 with SMTP id u14mr3711506agp.2.1257336906261; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:15:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <76e1ec0a0911040305n20e08885k344d793318a70d32@mail.gmail.com> References: <165816ef0911031439l1c1c9f30jac5b2d6cf71db8a1@mail.gmail.com> <76e1ec0a0911040305n20e08885k344d793318a70d32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:15:06 -0500 Message-ID: <165816ef0911040415s48881426o6d14902b70759c7b@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=6Max-xWPBJUjxhhZOUinMIdpz3NtW5JLPdsstb9J9BDlGlg X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for 2 good sit-down and 2 good quick places to eat at each of the 4 properties I mentioned. I have a good family friend going, but don't know the food options well enough to give him but a few thoughts. If Josh or anyone else wants to chime in knowing this it would be great. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Nov 04 06:44:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22449 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 14:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2009 14:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.224) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 14:43:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56219 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2009 14:43:51 -0000 Message-ID: <904350.54190.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tmm4MaYVM1kBL4VyBIrClsbshJQhfzsltG6cfuIvMJHDT9PddE_pDOLUmh3V08U1s8XDwnH9fQTYL7lJJ0A5_lDIjdQqeTjF.d0xbCObEPuGT1pv4o4l16Gxw51rfw5ldD15uYjIVWfDNLCuTB.dabYGcMxWjKnbb8m5FjGpbh9_Nqm1L2NkQJpmP8ehwzsE8Qcr1flMTVuXOfL80moQzXWkPz2VBlGKxZ1nneoEk1x01sSoNwClBl8Eioybi9b3zvbaU5aFhLFNiRop4YW6zQwgS5EfPnZ.9p4yQoHjhfuoWF14zjVZEWxgTf9RiTvar92uJOIO18y_KfHCzZkaUL3OI92ErT.hsBaFRFQyS6q_INVrFFPteP1HYnwWAvIqFUKt4QUIOGXYtQlSj_qNMyTO96u3YqTxkA2M8Sl759zX17KibwGHRtZjapB4S941uSbcgdvUkCj.bqzDPYRipucwOdZjwPZDtlK7YCS6YvvWgIMsiZ6eOOULHuU.JxedbxMR37OfJll.DCFvo6cOzVyxipSfi2_hYvJP24b342iJb7uRQIU5rT3h_7JwQQJ5QZ6jPoJqu6fLWbU2Sn4uv8ctP1WiqiLBCXMwoqRulRq6KvZ_fL22ObPhwProvBHVr..ktF3parNA6aHgwtZQXD5UM3uozPqAQF0aDZQdwBefazFZscNZE2qLvqJlAxHm2Rf9_N7ajPVpDEqxEKkahrmXzJxGhvdiW5CKJITZnQxKZROGcW0BCqtChtNwCWvURjJzHBcdzmA1sXww.IuBfuzLg.Kw9H91s5qSnv1sfJV2sv441xm_uURi54mgQyXesLI5tXY_q1Kqefb08cSARdEaB5_XucfHOdnZS1Wv9ZqjfUYyZsF8yOPz7cdR56.bD1IFAtbPgAstlcdSSSIG3jF4VBQkm.aXwT2Pn5I3TeTZaX5DPGXpBXiCNpz0TD3pmXQpkDDpA42k1whGWJs7VyZ0iSG_tVi2or0zkjWpxbJ7B.1bV9k49_Gt1lcejpBkMMQTC8N3a5JFWSDcfWUns_jYXjHeVSoScpkkEaj2HLq_yxs6a9bNMeZPEXG1GDT7C2dDefkQUL6xj4.BMAA.mf1iGgd5RjyCQPcA5MUBQ5iOchPMY4YupLNV.j.DlWO08nqWoTQKBfH7pr1td7x2MQu7zJC9uMonnj0V5DwNOa_KQkdz4H0v8ZnQ.dXh.sPIiFfaAf.XE9u04T4gySuF5_o.rNBCDkUHqY6C5mur3QzvAL.lUbTMvW8Q1NPYtTb0e7yh5V.MV6EOsIg1RKfeksLuWQM0c8ZnDrFA7xsebftOUs1zgjG7TtljtkKHhgEi9BRC8ldycPCnH9NFYv0uauqDdsR1l0qWfBMCS5g01wmgzFq4Ce8DHBDUirc1cu0t4by2icX688PEchE8lqrgJQ8k2g9AbeYqGSXduByXNb7JDWXXbjFVStdmJU7A4uO9nSRdXovD_LfnmJ4URvceSeJT7xm0dHMgaX..TtU.AZ.KT_XHaWZuRqrmdPyALBu8AcjqzHXFayzNVHVI.Vgj7gBacOKd2h2mro5me77zbhHD06QVWSBKV9omwahYuYPzfvEgx1CCSR6oPxUM X-Received: from [151.207.246.4] by web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:43:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:43:51 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0911040415s48881426o6d14902b70759c7b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and Food X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=Z_su4recfIhgmz2vpCLI1-RjTR5GQGMfTl2OSh2o0RBH2CBr X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I dont have a guide, but here are a few of my thoughts: WDW (I assume you mean Magic Kingdom) Sit Down:=A0 Tony's Town Square - Lady and the Tramp themed Italian food. Liberty Tree Tavern - Colonial themed Mostly American fare. =A0 Quick Grab:=20 Pinocchio Village Haus - Sandwiches mostly (dont recall eating anywhere else) =A0 Epcot Sit Down:=20 Les Chefs de France (Family) / Bistro de Paris (Romantic) - French food, no= t much difference in quality b/w the two though slightly different menu/amb= iance.=A0 Bistro is also a good place to watch the fireworks if you can get= a window seat San Angel Inn - Mexican food, has the best ambiance IMO as the indoor celin= g is themed to a starry night. =A0 Quick Grab: The Land Sunshine Season Food Fair - American, sandwiches and veggie dishes= seem to rule the day (didnt eat other QG) =A0 Studios Sit Down: Brown Derby - American, get the Cobb Salad! But be ready to share as the th= ing is freaking huge. Prime Time Cafe - American.=A0 The food here was likely the most middling, = but it was kinda cool siting in basically a 50's "Leave it to Beaver" dinner table atmospher= e. =A0 Quick Grab (didnt eat QG) =A0 Animal Kingdom Sit Down: (there were no sit downs when I last went) =A0 Quick Grab: Flame Tree Barbeque - Mostly Kansas City / Memphis style BBQ.=A0 Slathered = in thick tomato based sauce.=A0 If you like North Carolina vinegar based sa= uce, you'll be disappointed. (cant recommend any others) =A0 Mostly, when we went to WDW, we went to sit downs.=A0 Often, we'd leave wha= t ever park we were in to eat either @ Epcot (like Tutto Italia Risorante a= nd Restaurant Marrakesh), or at one of the resort restaurants like Jiko, Vi= ctoria & Albert's (pricey!), and 'Ohana (where everyone calls you "Cousin") =A0 And unlike Lance, I've always found the food to be above average.=A0 Even m= y wife who is a dedicated foodie was pleased with the quality of the vast m= ajority of=A0 the options.=A0 And I must stress that the in-park portions a= ll tended to be big enough to share so you might be able to cut costs a bit= . =A0 Enjoy! lata, jeremy --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Adam Sandy wrote: From: Adam Sandy Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and Food To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:15 AM =A0=20 I am looking for 2 good sit-down and 2 good quick places to eat at each of the 4 properties I mentioned. I have a good family friend going, but don't know the food options well enough to give him but a few thoughts. If Josh or anyone else wants to chime in knowing this it would be great. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Nov 04 15:18:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83186 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2009 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ey-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.78.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1683481eyg.24 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:17:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.88.143 with SMTP id a15mr657629wef.206.1257376678176; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:17:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:17:58 -0600 Message-ID: To: coastertalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.78.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=FJVYiK_Gu8f6GwgHfylzx3liVlEeYqvfg28y34ElU3i14qn3SIJG4V0 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 For those who don't know, we relocated to Minneapolis about a month ago. And since we had nothing else going on and hadn't been to a park in awhile, we decided to check out Valleyfair on Sunday night. This was the last night of the season for the park, and also the last night of their Halloween Haunt. I hadn't been to the park in a few years, so it was nice to get back and see what Cedar Fair has done to the place. First, there are certainly a lot fewer trees, which was disappointing but expected. The Haunt was decent, but not exceptional. There weren't a ton of decorations around the park, but there were seven major haunted attractions/areas. They were very hit or miss. Some were great, and some were really weak. A few seemed really understaffed. The park is still a strong contender for Trim Brake Capitaql of the World, which has gotten even worse over the years. Disappointing, to say the least. But all that said, Renegade is fantastic! I was actually disappointed when they announced Renegade a couple of years back, as I felt they could have used a larger steel looping coaster (ie B&M inverted coaster). I still think a B&M inverted coaster would be the next best addition, but I wouldn't trade Renegade for anything. Seriously, I take back every bad thing I ever said about GCI coasters being forceless and boring, because Renegade just blew me away. Now I'm really itching to get to Kansas City to give Prowler a try. It's been a really long time since I've been that surprised by a ride, and I'm glad it happens to be at my new home park! I guess that's about it for my random thoughts for the day. Anyone else? :) -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Nov 06 16:01:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92003 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2009 00:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2009 00:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 00:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2009 23:59:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2009 23:59:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:59:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.184 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Karnival X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=DSZdi44gibdUqJ_lhkzrCSeZJNCpk3Co2wIOik4e4srMnyde7wcW X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This is a game that just appeared for the iPhone and iPod Touch. Similar t= o Rollercoaster Tycoon, you build a freak show empire: Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Nov 06 16:17:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13348 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2009 00:17:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2009 00:17:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 00:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2009 00:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2009 00:16:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:16:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.184 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=DfF_S9xWvVexbe2VfXXEtDJvd3GVii-N-h1S2Li1aY3aNkdhIRRE X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Seriously, I take back every bad thing I ever said about GCI coasters bei= ng forceless and boring, because Renegade just blew me away. < Wow! Coming from you, that's saying a lot! Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Nov 07 10:20:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6694 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2009 18:20:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2009 18:20:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f224.google.com) (209.85.219.224) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 18:20:36 -0000 X-Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so2022824ewy.22 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:20:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.90.133 with SMTP id e5mr36061wef.23.1257618014417; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:20:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:20:14 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=XTDywyUB88lGQnqKijPWruFQJHXECUtpGXx77Y3dSKTL6pkqlDt-iuU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Seriously, I take back every bad thing I ever said about GCI coasters being forceless and boring, because Renegade just blew me away. < > > Wow! Coming from you, that's saying a lot! I'm not really sure how to take that! :) In all seriousness, Renegade really is that good. It reminded me a lot of a mini-Voyage, actually. Yeah, I know Renegade is a twister and Voyage is essentially an out and back, but the way Renegade tears through the track with lots of positive G's in the turns and some huge pops of air seemed distinctly Voyage-like. There are GCI rides I've enjoyed prior to this (I like Kentucky Rumbler and I really like Thunderhead), but in general I find them to be a bit tame and slow. 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--YCalReminder=cW6LoVzgR7Ts8M0Rx4RZki0wsUuVZAM1257922258-1-- From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Nov 11 14:48:12 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29278 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2009 22:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2009 22:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 22:48:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1257979643; bh=vuQMvOqV33HHqA7vCGpCaC3NMpI2mKDvmlAGw99JfVk=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=qxK3BLI8ZsyVAqIp9CogsWZYP1yQnF6K76iG321HEa3KyqagTt75w0TenFGSCZplBSXuQF/rzgGmLeJd/MOr7J/jbhL3sr/cR6Ijoyv6Qb2CnOb2pej3xTmpK4UUCMYu Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2009 22:47:23 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2009 22:47:23 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25426 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2009 22:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2009 22:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 22:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2009 22:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2009 22:27:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:27:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 168.91.255.100 From: "Jon" Subject: Re: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=3f1FOuhQt720yfnjHv7Nz8bTw9-7TzT_1FH7pYvsg5A X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 11 Nov 2009 22:47:22 -0000 Well I agree with the basic things that coasterdude318 is saying except I w= ould go further and say Renegade is better then Voyage. I covered this in = post 31254. Voyage goes up and down but Renegade goes up, down, left and r= ight. It is slower but the quality of the acceleration is better. Renegad= e is very solid ride and if I had data to do review of it, it would get 2 h= our wait review. If you get to the Minneapolis area GO! Wild Thing at ValleyFair! may be the best air time "steel" coaster in the s= tates as well. I can't think of one I like better in the midwest where I s= pend my time. coasterdude318 do you have an opinion about it? --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > Seriously, I take back every bad thing I ever said about GCI coasters= being forceless and boring, because Renegade just blew me away. < > > > > Wow! Coming from you, that's saying a lot! >=20 > I'm not really sure how to take that! :) >=20 > In all seriousness, Renegade really is that good. It reminded me a > lot of a mini-Voyage, actually. Yeah, I know Renegade is a twister > and Voyage is essentially an out and back, but the way Renegade tears > through the track with lots of positive G's in the turns and some huge > pops of air seemed distinctly Voyage-like. There are GCI rides I've > enjoyed prior to this (I like Kentucky Rumbler and I really like > Thunderhead), but in general I find them to be a bit tame and slow. > Renegade was the exact opposite. >=20 > -Nate > From jjloj@netzero.net Wed Nov 11 14:53:09 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33459 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2009 22:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2009 22:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 22:53:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1257979658; bh=AT7o/KUwy8n6XVDC+/GdX5lk4sUR0JVeY7mQj0Gjyrs=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=cz4QCl/ROmhwueT7yXqFgIf62TmKKMvNV/0iP8PS5xVEPy89y1ohiawknKRxkCNXMCHMcU+286is38m1D68E9AsRH+2ZSZKnIPgPhw3JJYQ7fA6yIQ5Q7vrHmn0xQ0XZ Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2009 22:47:38 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2009 22:47:38 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74181 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 19:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2009 19:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 19:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2009 19:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2009 19:11:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:11:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.214.148.167 From: "Jon" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Coaster Poll? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=xbEDjxPHKZN-iW9aOf2shmxlFTBcDhs_1ttFkJI932Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 11 Nov 2009 22:47:37 -0000 I have visited and poll and found it didn't hit me in the "sweet spot" of i= nterest capture. As such I would like to ask what you see as the goal / us= e / interest of the poll is? It seems to me "the point" of the poll is to have every coaster ranked by e= very person who road it. If I have concluded correctly, then only suggesti= on I could make is to break the list up in to regional groupings. Then com= pare the top rides from each group. Document the groupings well and let peo= ple who get to travel, "work" more then one grouping. This would also allow for regional "winners" making for more interesting re= ading for folk who can't get to exotic locals to ride the "number one ride.= " It would mean running the data more times with fewer data points. Does that help? --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" wro= te: > > So, is Mitch's Coaster Poll getting too big?=20 >=20 > Last year, we added all of the wood coasters worldwide to the poll, as th= ere was only a small amount missing.=20 >=20 > The question at hand is this:=20 >=20 > The Steel Poll has gotten HUGE over the years, and some feel that it is t= oo difficult to complete in an honest, meaningful fashion. Do you guys thin= k it should be pared back some?=20 >=20 > Mitch has taken some of my suggestions the past couple years, and there's= been a LOT of input from enthusiasts worldwide. I'd like to get some feedb= ack from you guys if you could.=20 >=20 > Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make it = easier for you?=20 >=20 > Should the list of coasters be scaled back?=20 >=20 > Any other input? >=20 > Mitch's logarithmic program is just about maxed out, so we know that we c= an not make it much bigger so there is a real need to decide what to do. Re= move some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combine more production mo= dels?=20 >=20 > Thanks in advance for any ideas you have. >=20 > Chris > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Wed Nov 11 16:17:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31430 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2009 00:17:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2009 00:17:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f225.google.com) (209.85.218.225) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2009 00:17:07 -0000 X-Received: by bwz25 with SMTP id 25so1667591bwz.38 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:17:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.239.156.193 with SMTP id n1mr210779hbc.187.1257985026444; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:17:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:17:06 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0911111617t4e601efatb958e36e113c7f85@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: Coaster Poll? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=G9n4HTNfSUH-sCOt68R6kdz8yT6erBRaTW-3RJEdD33kNDY X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This actually sounds like a great suggestion. Ranking coasters in regions, while still allowing overall rankings, would improve the simplicity for pol= l takers and poll readers a like. What I see as the main point of the poll is to guide enthusiasts as to what rides they should attempt to ride ahead of others. This is useful for people who will not have a full day at a park, and want to make sure they ride the best rides there. Or for people traveling to an area with only enough time to attend one park, and want to make sure they go to the one with the best overall ride collection. For poll takers, selecting what regions they wish to provide rankings withi= n may cut down on the overwhelming size of the poll as a whole. I know this has stopped me from participating on years when I have more stuff going on and can't dedicate the time. But seriously, what's with all of the implied quotations? Are you that unsure of your words, or in a perpetual state of mocking those who use the terms? Add emphasis to your sentences with proper phrasing and punctuation. -MikeSka It's great getting government holidays off. I got so much done around the house today. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Jon wrote: > > > I have visited and poll and found it didn't hit me in the "sweet spot" of > interest capture. As such I would like to ask what you see as the goal / = use > / interest of the poll is? > > It seems to me "the point" of the poll is to have every coaster ranked by > every person who road it. If I have concluded correctly, then only > suggestion I could make is to break the list up in to regional groupings. > Then compare the top rides from each group. Document the groupings well a= nd > let people who get to travel, "work" more then one grouping. > > This would also allow for regional "winners" making for more interesting > reading for folk who can't get to exotic locals to ride the "number one > ride." > > It would mean running the data more times with fewer data points. > > Does that help? > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, > "munkye1972" wrote: > > > > So, is Mitch's Coaster Poll getting too big? > > > > Last year, we added all of the wood coasters worldwide to the poll, as > there was only a small amount missing. > > > > The question at hand is this: > > > > The Steel Poll has gotten HUGE over the years, and some feel that it is > too difficult to complete in an honest, meaningful fashion. Do you guys > think it should be pared back some? > > > > Mitch has taken some of my suggestions the past couple years, and there= 's > been a LOT of input from enthusiasts worldwide. I'd like to get some > feedback from you guys if you could. > > > > Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make i= t > easier for you? > > > > Should the list of coasters be scaled back? > > > > Any other input? > > > > Mitch's logarithmic program is just about maxed out, so we know that we > can not make it much bigger so there is a real need to decide what to do. > Remove some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combine more productio= n > models? > > > > Thanks in advance for any ideas you have. > > > > Chris > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Nov 12 13:43:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92729 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2009 21:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2009 21:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2009 21:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2009 21:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2009 21:42:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:42:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.212.176.183 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Coaster Poll? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=G-tdnMTEwQy2pltyuS2KjrTgvwZBuLio1p2TryZfK2xK4ldjGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Totally agre with Mike. That's a great suggestion, Jon.=20 I also agree that, typed out in the way that you have, it does make you com= e off as snooty or jerkish. I have no clue if that's what you intend, or if= it's totally unintended, though. This is a huge drawback of internet inter= action. I'm going to choose to interpret it as unintended.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" wrote: > > I have visited and poll and found it didn't hit me in the "sweet spot" of= interest capture. As such I would like to ask what you see as the goal / = use / interest of the poll is? >=20 > It seems to me "the point" of the poll is to have every coaster ranked by= every person who road it. If I have concluded correctly, then only sugges= tion I could make is to break the list up in to regional groupings. Then c= ompare the top rides from each group. Document the groupings well and let p= eople who get to travel, "work" more then one grouping. >=20 > This would also allow for regional "winners" making for more interesting = reading for folk who can't get to exotic locals to ride the "number one rid= e." >=20 >=20 > It would mean running the data more times with fewer data points. >=20 > Does that help? >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" wrot= e: > > > > So, is Mitch's Coaster Poll getting too big?=20 > >=20 > > Last year, we added all of the wood coasters worldwide to the poll, as = there was only a small amount missing.=20 > >=20 > > The question at hand is this:=20 > >=20 > > The Steel Poll has gotten HUGE over the years, and some feel that it is= too difficult to complete in an honest, meaningful fashion. Do you guys th= ink it should be pared back some?=20 > >=20 > > Mitch has taken some of my suggestions the past couple years, and there= 's been a LOT of input from enthusiasts worldwide. I'd like to get some fee= dback from you guys if you could.=20 > >=20 > > Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make i= t easier for you?=20 > >=20 > > Should the list of coasters be scaled back?=20 > >=20 > > Any other input? > >=20 > > Mitch's logarithmic program is just about maxed out, so we know that we= can not make it much bigger so there is a real need to decide what to do. = Remove some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combine more production = models?=20 > >=20 > > Thanks in advance for any ideas you have. > >=20 > > Chris > > > From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Nov 17 14:20:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14772 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 22:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 22:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f210.google.com) (209.85.220.210) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 22:20:23 -0000 X-Received: by fxm2 with SMTP id 2so562416fxm.16 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.89.141 with SMTP id c13mr675441wef.66.1258496422833; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:20:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:20:22 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=gtlPEInP9OKjx_IbEg9p5CiQ_biiD6FgU-JLvNlV-XmlwgdzdHnL4WI X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Well I agree with the basic things that coasterdude318 is saying except I would go further and say > Renegade is better then Voyage. I covered this in post 31254. Voyage goes up and down but Renegade > goes up, down, left and right. Which Voyage did you ride? Aside from the first three or so hills, the lift, and the brake run I don't think there's a single section of straight track on that ride. Almost every single hill is also tossing you to the side. Renegade is a very solid ride - even stunningly good - but it's still no Voyage. > Wild Thing at ValleyFair! may be the best air time "steel" coaster in the states as well. > I can't think of one I like better in the midwest where I spend my time. > coasterdude318 do you have an opinion about it? Oh, I have LOTS of thoughts about Wild Thing. But my primary thought about the ride is that it is easily the most boring, and most forceless hypercoaster out there. The first drop is decent and the second hill gives a nice, sustained float, but it's over after that. A long, boring, meandering turnaround. followed by extreme trimming and a few hills the train barely makes it over. The only midwestern hypercoaster I like less is Magnum, because it's a rough pile of crap. I'm actually really confused about your praise for this ride, as I can think of at least a dozen steel coasters in the midwest that have better airtime. -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Nov 18 11:49:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63995 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2009 19:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2009 19:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web45915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (68.180.199.84) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 19:49:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67414 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2009 19:49:37 -0000 Message-ID: <284243.60236.qm@web45915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 45tE5nkVM1l.BDAKGsmv2Z1XNpqwN1X9y_fbNPT8Vhg6Cq7lp7BiazchJJqrfaoYEcbWSJGogLW5O7TBtsMOE7RFrs7qZKC9zw1hE4UQHHOdw_Ry6t.IHCSDge_b_3y4PaGi.lhUhnymHR9DbFvpQUJIXP0viA68WJ.womI4RuL_H7GpVd3waBdRTrB5YTzTe2z7Ra_a194.26NeIwbWUaAlQ2qAwqhFTiFBF_QS.AxE8ckfp5DivvUzT_ChezloPAiKn83I3_BdJAToxNAqN3KtK3lmoVnaj7Ie2ZClEoSAQIynqyYou3iQGhIwp.YuoTxTDOpQSXDyRaSJ4vvOBWB_gVtXux2AqY7dEzRx7jlHAM6u8rccQcfhaNXudHdo.cI35ZA- X-Received: from [68.180.216.151] by web45915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:49:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:49:37 -0800 (PST) To: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" Cc: "RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1258544245.3144.38365.m4@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.180.199.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 3371 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=91YVPDsaJgCUSAWardIcSbIdoBQdZMhVHLBDmEOFZ5kC8Fk2PiDL X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Remember, that's just what his iPhone says and your results may vary. = I just got the Motorola Droid phone, and while I haven't ridden any coa= ster with it yet, it is telling me that number one airtime coaster in the w= orld is the new Kosmos Curves at Knoebels. Also told me that Twisted Twins= at SFKK hold the record for tallest on the planet, and Hypersonic XLC hold= s the record for most inversions, with 27. I look forward to a much more e= nlightened summer of riding next year.=20 Razzle dazzle bitches... RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote:=20 > Roller Coaster Talk=20 > Roller Coaster Talk=20=20=20=20 > Messages In This Digest (1=20 > Message) > 1a.=20=20 > Re: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations=20 > From:=20 > Nate Kohlrusch=20=20 > View All Topics | Create New Topic=20 > Message=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > 1a.=20 > Re: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations = =20 > Posted by: "Nate Kohlrusch"=20=20=20=20=20=20 > natekohlrusch@gmail.com=20=20=20=20=20=20 > =A0 > coasterdude318=20 > Tue Nov=A017,=A02009 2:20=A0pm (PST)=20=20=20=20 > > Well I agree with the basic things that coasterdude318 is saying = except I would go further and say=20 >> Renegade is better then Voyage. I covered this in post 31254. Voyage goe= s up and down but Renegade=20 >> goes up, down, left and right.=20 > Which Voyage did you ride? Aside from the first three or so hills,=20 > the lift, and the brake run I don't think there's a single section of=20 > straight track on that ride. Almost every single hill is also tossing=20 > you to the side. Renegade is a very solid ride - even stunningly good=20 > - but it's still no Voyage.=20 >> Wild Thing at ValleyFair! may be the best air time "steel" coaster in th= e states as well.=20 >> I can't think of one I like better in the midwest where I spend my time.= =20 >> coasterdude318 do you have an opinion about it?=20 > Oh, I have LOTS of thoughts about Wild Thing. But my primary thought=20 > about the ride is that it is easily the most boring, and most=20 > forceless hypercoaster out there. The first drop is decent and the=20 > second hill gives a nice, sustained float, but it's over after that.=20 > A long, boring, meandering turnaround. followed by extreme trimming=20 > and a few hills the train barely makes it over. The only midwestern=20 > hypercoaster I like less is Magnum, because it's a rough pile of crap.=20 > I'm actually really confused about your praise for this ride, as I can=20 > think of at least a dozen steel coasters in the midwest that have=20 > better airtime.=20 > -Nate=20 > Back to top=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Reply to sender=20 > | > Reply to group=20 > | > Reply via web post=20 > Messages in this topic=20 > (5) > Recent Activity=20 > Visit Your Group=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Yahoo! Groups=20 > Small Business Group=20 > Own a business?=20 > Connect with others. = =20 > Yahoo! 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Groups Terms of Use | > Unsubscribe=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 13:53:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16789 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2009 21:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2009 21:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2009 21:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2009 21:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2009 21:52:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:52:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <284243.60236.qm@web45915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.184 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Digest Number 3371 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=0eLVnpJqGR7SXbkrSY4n_PfuwusvCegF0CtPoUfUOWJQrfmUmvyu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > just what his iPhone says and your results may vary. I just got the Moto= rola Droid phone, and while I haven't ridden any coaster with it yet, i= t is telling me that number one airtime coaster in the world is the new Kos= mos Curves at Knoebels.< I find it amusing that our phones are now telling us what is real. I'd pre= fer to hear it from a person. :-) Jay From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Nov 19 14:04:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65680 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2009 22:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2009 22:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.220.218) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2009 22:04:25 -0000 X-Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so210899fxm.34 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:04:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.91.12 with SMTP id g12mr174694wef.33.1258668264322; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:04:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <284243.60236.qm@web45915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:04:24 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Digest Number 3371 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=m_RaeSQy9SZvTlRuxjd7dWoazwW15ke4sZoRM1qadXglofpRrN1_yVM X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I find it amusing that our phones are now telling us what is real. I'd prefer to hear it from a person. :-) I think that's exactly the point. Who cares what your phone says? I judge by how much *I* enjoy a ride. :) -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 19:31:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71596 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 03:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 03:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 03:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2009 03:30:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2009 03:30:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:30:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.184 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Goodbye Texas Giant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=xbre8Imp8ctfiTg2zoQu0zmN1ObhO54z7I9cyqyhHYvn5oxfQOPb X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I just heard about this. Once considered the ultimate wood coaster, the ico= nic Texas Giant is being dismantled.=20 Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 19:51:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71494 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 03:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 03:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 03:50:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2009 03:50:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2009 03:50:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:50:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.235.184 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: Goodbye Texas Giant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=uozcznPs1Zm1sdkgk5l35rQYowE2-WlyFfZNF8tdt8VZ9m-1lyJu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I just heard about this. Once considered the ultimate wood coaster, the ico= nic Texas Giant is being dismantled.=20 Jay From lance@screamscape.com Thu Nov 19 20:09:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9106 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 04:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 04:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vps3544.inmotionhosting.com) (69.174.53.5) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 04:09:30 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by vps3544.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NBKoM-0006GP-BC for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:09:30 -0500 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:09:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps3544.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 69.174.53.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Goodbye Texas Giant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=WKkLZswXsys46FWL744K2Is0-EsXdD-q7mTQJN7bDQ2U_n_jvH9iPB8jKw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance That's a bit harsh... I wouldn't say dismantled... it's being upgraded undergoing a massive refurbishment that will keep it closed until the 2011 season. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay_ducharme" To: Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:30 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Goodbye Texas Giant I just heard about this. Once considered the ultimate wood coaster, the iconic Texas Giant is being dismantled. Jay From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Nov 19 22:17:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71214 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 06:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 06:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bandoog.com) (209.83.8.8) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 06:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from emerald.jvlnet.com ([156.46.57.20] verified) by bandoog.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with SMTP id 13240135 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:17:04 -0600 X-Received: (qmail 20730 invoked by uid 99); 20 Nov 2009 06:17:04 -0000 Date: 20 Nov 2009 00:17:04 -0600 X-Received: from 76.201.151.236 (SquirrelMail authenticated user drounds) by emerald.jvlnet.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:17:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <9756947a7cc2cec1884dd0e1691fa0b8.squirrel@emerald.jvlnet.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:17:04 -0600 (CST) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 209.83.8.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "David Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Goodbye Texas Giant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=YtUX-BVi4Sj4sigIo0mtsKRAtpHptFY2eayxMm15UTfJ_ORLkWsvgzDhyBP9B6SZeg X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds@sbcglobal.net I did not think it was that excessively rough for a wood coaster. I know that it needed retracking but not a complete rebuild. A co-worker that lives in Allen Tx forwarded me a different article and that article seemed to imply that only some portions of the ride were being totally dismantled. I got the impression from that article that some sections were being refurbished and other sections being significantly reprofiled to make it faster and smoother. I was in Texas on a combined business trip and vacation in September and spent at part of each of three days over one week (Sat/Sun/Fri) at the park and believe I rode the Texas Giant at least half as many times as I did the Titan. Hopefully I can arrange another business trip down there in 2011 to ride it after it reopens. BTW, SFOT had a great deal on season passes for next season. I was able to buy my season pass with parking at SFOT for about 1/2 the price I would have paid at my home park, SFGAm. David Rounds > That's a bit harsh... I wouldn't say dismantled... it's being upgraded > undergoing a massive refurbishment that will keep it closed until the 2011 > season. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jay_ducharme" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:30 PM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Goodbye Texas Giant > > > I just heard about this. Once considered the ultimate wood coaster, the > iconic Texas Giant is being dismantled. > > > > Jay > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Nov 20 04:44:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1576 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 12:44:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 12:44:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f223.google.com) (209.85.220.223) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 12:44:07 -0000 X-Received: by fxm23 with SMTP id 23so3857720fxm.18 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:44:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.239.163.208 with SMTP id q16mr141211hbd.102.1258721046074; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:44:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <284243.60236.qm@web45915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:44:06 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0911200444m1680da5aud0ff7977880d9e9f@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 3371 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=MhJYKX26UCZy8HmwEvegsTrTCnCiT57puD9LwfLCUWuHM5s X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska But what if I'm reading you opinions on my iPhone :head explodes: On Thursday, November 19, 2009, Nate Kohlrusch wr= ote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it amusing that our phones are now telling us what is real= . I'd prefer to hear it from a person. :-) > > I think that's exactly the point. Who cares what your phone says? I > judge by how much *I* enjoy a ride. :) > > -Nate > > > > > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Nov 21 14:37:50 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92647 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2009 22:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2009 22:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2009 22:37:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1258843061; bh=Dh6pJwLNe1jnpgr8kjcLJCc0hf44BNnq2fj+ndAqTDY=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=IZ8bn8AIeGrllVUAmT8JDOyuKu+slbKZQ128IMgDrLiKHprif4oxnzl20SqQTSRjRhYJFx/BkJSB5N6/Ly/urYpbtTxNQqcddYGqVEtpAEKYY78ElRj/t+ya/knTOukG Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 22:37:41 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 22:37:41 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35045 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2009 22:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2009 22:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2009 22:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 22:08:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 22:08:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:08:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.97.26.198 From: "Jon" Subject: Re: Digest Number 3371 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=vEhzZLHfiJC4PAiqEmEcHZ-g-q6nMqMRhhoV5jhOmcw X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 21 Nov 2009 22:37:39 -0000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > I find it amusing that our phones are now telling us what is real. I'd = prefer to hear it from a person. :-) >=20 > I think that's exactly the point. Who cares what your phone says? I > judge by how much *I* enjoy a ride. :) >=20 > -Nate > Since I enjoy just about any roller coaster, that wouldn't make for very in= teresting conversation. Giving the coaster the American Band Stand respons= e ("It has a great beat I can dance to it") doesn't require any reflection= and doesn't help someone else know what is good or bad about the ride. The= accelerometer is just another tool for looking at the ride. I use it but = I don't let it trump my view of what makes the coaster good. I think to no= t use tools like this is to cut yourself off from another piece of informat= ion. jjloj=20 From jjloj@netzero.net Sat Nov 21 14:40:38 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71032 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2009 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2009 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2009 22:40:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1258843032; bh=ybf38M4t+oG//8BaZyQIrGxPX4D8oNJfq4GlJKC+ZBE=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=Udj4eCLF2uJt5kswOQVBI/qgOUuQfmsOhgkpD/6bIJ30g6/5OUx0AGdXHb9VI/Z1p51Cwah1+qnuBTQ+YFqWB/TH3Am4RimpXRU38CpGRr+GiSI2lEl5M0xyiIGILtru Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 22:37:12 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 22:37:12 -0000 X-Sender: jjloj@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42980 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2009 21:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2009 21:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2009 21:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 21:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 21:56:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:56:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.97.26.198 From: "Jon" Subject: Re: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89848646; y=P506DkRLJLCGraZY2ZrgOc-5B7ncrpqUL39BA0Zys30 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjloj X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 21 Nov 2009 22:37:10 -0000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > Well I agree with the basic things that coasterdude318 is saying except= I would go further and say > > Renegade is better then Voyage. I covered this in post 31254. Voyage go= es up and down but Renegade > > goes up, down, left and right. >=20 > Which Voyage did you ride? Aside from the first three or so hills, > the lift, and the brake run I don't think there's a single section of > straight track on that ride. Almost every single hill is also tossing > you to the side. Renegade is a very solid ride - even stunningly good > - but it's still no Voyage. >=20 Okay you are technically correct, the Voyage has turns. It is at its core = an "out and back" and has burned up lots of it energy on "air time" before = it tries for any thing lateral. I am not going to say that the weaving bac= k and forth on the return is pointless as all out and backs have a "tame" r= eturn, but still need to get back to the station. The sprit of my comment = is that if you are looking for lateral elements then you are going to find = better ones on Legend, Renegade, etc. The lateral elements on Voyage are n= ot the engineering point of the ride. > > Wild Thing at ValleyFair! may be the best air time "steel" coaster in t= he states as well. > > I can't think of one I like better in the midwest where I spend my time= . > > coasterdude318 do you have an opinion about it? >=20 > Oh, I have LOTS of thoughts about Wild Thing. But my primary thought > about the ride is that it is easily the most boring, and most > forceless hypercoaster out there. The first drop is decent and the > second hill gives a nice, sustained float, but it's over after that. > A long, boring, meandering turnaround. followed by extreme trimming > and a few hills the train barely makes it over. The only midwestern > hypercoaster I like less is Magnum, because it's a rough pile of crap. >=20 > I'm actually really confused about your praise for this ride, as I can > think of at least a dozen steel coasters in the midwest that have > better airtime. >=20 Okay ask a silly question... (For those who want to see my extended thoughts on Wild Thing! go here: htt= p://www.coasternaut.com/Wild_Thing/Dreadnauts_Review.html) This is the ride that makes me understand "the point" of "steel" coasters t= hat emulate "wood" ones. The airtime on the outbound hills kick it. Now t= he return on every out and back I have ever ridden is lame, but you pay tha= t price for a fast outbound trip.=20=20 I think there is an argument for an even pace being better then a fast one.= One of the components of airtime is time. If you have a high velocity ov= er a hill you will get a lower (magnitude of) acceleration but you will als= o get less of it. I am sure the engineer types spend time deciding which t= o do, go for intensity and quickness or for a longer less intense float. I happen to like a dramatic pause in a ride, I think it adds to the pacing = (like a high turn around on an out and back). Rides that slam one through = all the elements are fine but they lack something a well paced ride has. S= peed is not its own virtue. I can also see why someone wouldn't like Wild Thing but I think is does air= time well. jjloj From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Nov 21 17:36:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89654 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 01:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 01:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f228.google.com) (209.85.219.228) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 01:35:50 -0000 X-Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so974798ewy.37 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:35:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.93.18 with SMTP id k18mr928140wef.218.1258853745409; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:35:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:35:45 -0600 Message-ID: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nate Kohlrusch Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Renegade & a few Valleyfair observations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=I3B-wMxaycdVabQosyp8Hfpu604Oofi8A9F93DCniTpFMjub_u7sZXo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I can also see why someone wouldn't like Wild Thing but I think is does airtime well. But where? Aside from the 2nd hill, Wild Thing doesn't *have* airtime. -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Nov 25 18:54:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54744 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2009 02:54:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2009 02:54:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 02:54:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2009 02:54:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2009 02:54:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:54:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.239.162.252 From: "munkye1972" Subject: MISC: Mitch Hawker's Steel Coaster Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0Wn7SficM07X7UoKiBhK9VbGcMkCZyVAs_JHJx4keht4PbNtig X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 The poll went live today, if you hadn't already seen, here's the link again= : http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm=20 ...and since the Steel Poll is even more of a bear to fill out, here's the = link to Coaster Fanatics' steel poll helper: http://www.coasterfanatics.com/sec_poll/default.asp?test=3Dtrue Chris From lance@screamscape.com Sun Nov 29 15:54:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45501 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2009 23:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2009 23:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vps3544.inmotionhosting.com) (69.174.53.5) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 23:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by vps3544.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NEtbU-0005pj-4x for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:54:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:54:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps3544.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 69.174.53.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Sad News X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=9oh29QIBbukM8-4FPf-ZMz36wFWxnWhszpUSVT5IS4Nle8_PdQyN2OrDAw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I was sent this tonight... > Barbara Ellen (Cook) Knoebel passed into the Lord's eternal peace Friday, > November 27, 2009 at the age of 66. She died peacefully at her home at 206 > Knoebels Boulevard, Elysburg, with her family by her side. > > Born May 3rd, 1943 in Lykens, Pennsylvania, Barbara was the daughter of > the > late Charles and Elizabeth Cook. She was a 1961 graduate of Lykens High > School and furthered her education at Polyclinic Hospital becoming a > Licensed Practical Nurse. > > Barbara married Richard Knoebel on February 10th, 1968, a marriage that > lasted until her death, a span of over 41 years. They are the parents of > two > sons, Richard A. and Brian L. Knoebel. > > Barbara was a member of Elysburg Presbyterian Church. She was an active > member of Order of the Eastern Star having served as Worthy Matron of Iris > Chapter #306, Shamokin. She held the statewide office of Grand Adah during > 1984-85 and traveled throughout Pennsylvania in this capacity. She was > also > active in the Pennsylvania Amusement Parks Association and the > International > Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions. She served on several > IAAPA > committees, most notable the original Hall of Fame Committee. > > At Knoebels Amusement Resort, Barbara was an important member of the > family > business. She worked side by side with Dick serving as Manager of the park > office and Group Sales Manager. In the latter capacity she assisted groups > in planning outings and arranged catered meals for thousands of guests > each > season. > > In September Dick and Barbara traveled to California where Amusement > Today, > an industry publication, honored them with the Golden Ticket award as > industry Persons of the Year for 2009. > > In addition to her husband and sons, she is survived by four > granddaughters, > Haley, Hannah, Abigail and Ashley. She is also survived by a brother, > Walter > Cook, of Gowen City, sister in law Ruth Cook, brother in law Ronald > Knoebel > and his family and sister in law Leanna Knoebel Muscato and her family. > > In addition to her parents, Barbara was preceded in death by brothers > Charles "Boom" Cook and Donald Cook. > > Arrangements are under the direction of the Alan Horne Funeral Home. > Visitation will be held at the Elysburg Presbyterian Church, Friday > December > 4th beginning at 5:00 pm and Saturday, December 5th beginning at 9:00 am. > Services are scheduled for 11:00 am at the church. > > In lieu of flowers, the family requests that donations be made in Barbara's > memory to Give Kids the World, Attn: Development, 210 S. Bass Road, > Kissimmee, FL 34746. From Cyclonic07@aol.com Sun Nov 29 17:33:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72353 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2009 01:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2009 01:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 01:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAU1WZin031709 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:32:35 -0500 X-Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d0c.6491dad7 (37520) for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:32:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [192.168.0.101] (c-71-62-144-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net [71.62.144.241]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA085-92904b1320ad231; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:32:29 -0500 Message-ID: <4B1320AE.7040003@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:32:30 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 71.62.144.241 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Nathan Brown Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sad News X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=zG1-FPKUnOQ3qhBzBKBmW_lQP3MWZjLhKJLrcx83NANdsXploQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Indeed, sad news. Thank you for passing it along. -- Nathan Brown From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 20:00:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69821 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 04:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 04:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 04:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 04:00:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 04:00:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:00:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.143.15 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: MISC: Mitch Hawker's Steel Coaster Poll is CLOSED. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=pqEFQykqng07InFN4cAcN8OV0mMPA8pc7vMo08H_wVG0NPdsdg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 As of midnight tonight, 10 December. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" wro= te: > > The poll went live today, if you hadn't already seen, here's the link aga= in: >=20 > http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm=20 >=20 > ...and since the Steel Poll is even more of a bear to fill out, here's th= e link to Coaster Fanatics' steel poll helper: >=20 > http://www.coasterfanatics.com/sec_poll/default.asp?test=3Dtrue >=20 > Chris > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 20:08:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29205 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 04:08:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 04:08:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 04:08:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 04:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 04:08:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:08:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.143.15 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: MISC: Mitch Hawker's Steel Coaster Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=IXtQsk3vgpijC63MWvr9gxCH0xYU79etp--Dh3HmcqicsZIJlg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 OK, Mitch changed the deadline on me. Ignore my previous post. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" wro= te: > > As of midnight tonight, 10 December. >=20 > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" wrot= e: > > > > The poll went live today, if you hadn't already seen, here's the link a= gain: > >=20 > > http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm=20 > >=20 > > ...and since the Steel Poll is even more of a bear to fill out, here's = the link to Coaster Fanatics' steel poll helper: > >=20 > > http://www.coasterfanatics.com/sec_poll/default.asp?test=3Dtrue > >=20 > > Chris > > > From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri Dec 11 09:22:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27253 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 17:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 17:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 17:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 17:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 17:21:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:21:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Comcast taks over NBC/Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=y-BjfrK-BCLhtU_fhzhruioqZ1NA93cyH8Z2tUlarzTW30Z8ug X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Any thoughts on Comcast's takeover of NBC/Universal? My personal experie= nce with Comcast is anything but positive. As one of their cable TV custome= rs, I can say that they don't give a crap about the individual, paying end-= user. They're a large (and getting larger) money-grubbing corporation that'= s more concerned with upcharges and extracting as much cash as possible tha= n they are with satisfying their users. How might this affect Universal parks? Jon Z (just lost access to 2 local PBS stations and Cartoon Network) From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri Dec 11 09:24:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37737 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 17:24:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 17:24:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 17:24:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 17:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 17:20:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:20:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.242.6.130 From: "zucker0615" Subject: Comcast taks over NBC/Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=nDCpYFP6asr-rUBjxpKy3OlEr98LzorMQ1Hr5j4QtaohX0BB1A X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Any thoughts on Comcast's takeover of NBC/Universal? My personal experie= nce with Comcast is anything but positive. As one of their cable TV custome= rs, I can say that they don't give a crap about the individual, paying end-= user. They're a large (and getting larger) money-grubbing corporation that'= s more concerned with upcharges and extracting as much cash as possible tha= n they are with satisfying their users. How might this affect Universal parks? Jon Z (just lost access to 2 local PBS stations and Cartoon Network) From ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com Fri Dec 11 15:18:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ioaspiderman@donkeyentertainment.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74267 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 23:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 23:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.17) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 23:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fw0c1d00E1c6gX85AzJ3Ay; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:18:03 +0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([71.62.61.33]) by OMTA23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FzSy1d00C0j1m2n3jzSygG; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:26:59 +0000 Message-Id: <3DF31B09-FEE6-493F-A2A3-B641AFE9B368@donkeyentertainment.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:21:58 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mike Filippone Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Comcast taks over NBC/Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=197654127; y=aqCuMKP7VXf-lqKg6_XrS6kmn4veyV83xMTmznefFdU_5FzydjE2 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman I have Comcast, and the second FiOS becomes available, I'm getting FiOS. Comcast could probably pay me to use their service, and I would still get FiOS... I'm that unhappy with it. Just the cable is terrible (the cable box is really slow at switching channels, and every time you switch a channel the screen flickers, and there's always other random stuff, like how half my channels had all this digital distortion and were unwatchable last weekend). Their internet is also really slow and hangs a lot. I've tried calling, but haven't had any progress. No idea how this will affect Universal parks... not sure it would have that big of an impact. The deal also looks like it would phase in really slow, so I doubt there would be many immediate changes. When I heard about it, I was more concerned about programs like Meet the Press than anything. Mike On Dec 11, 2009, at 12:21 PM, zucker0615 wrote: > Any thoughts on Comcast's takeover of NBC/Universal? My personal > experience with Comcast is anything but positive. As one of their > cable TV customers, I can say that they don't give a crap about the > individual, paying end-user. They're a large (and getting larger) > money-grubbing corporation that's more concerned with upcharges and > extracting as much cash as possible than they are with satisfying > their users. > > How might this affect Universal parks? > > Jon Z (just lost access to 2 local PBS stations and Cartoon Network) > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the > word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Dec 11 16:24:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56161 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 00:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2009 00:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f225.google.com) (209.85.220.225) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 00:24:54 -0000 X-Received: by fxm25 with SMTP id 25so1550677fxm.26 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:24:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.239.139.84 with SMTP id s20mr199667hbs.110.1260577493036; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:24:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3DF31B09-FEE6-493F-A2A3-B641AFE9B368@donkeyentertainment.com> References: <3DF31B09-FEE6-493F-A2A3-B641AFE9B368@donkeyentertainment.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0912111624j1c0ede52y5858898caac2052a@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Comcast taks over NBC/Universal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=F27MnwNQ2JsEu3s9m7TRe_H-hSIMHlUdoxj5ut8K4Gq0E3c X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I'm really nervous about what role this will play inthe net-neutrality war currently being waged. Right now the ISPs are being asked tospy on their users by content providers; and this merger makes the two groups one in the same. Now the ISP has more incentive to monotoryour Internet usage, because they will also be the copywrite holder of the content. Beyond that, I think we'll start to see websites that legally offer content, like Hulu.com to lose their NBC programing. Didn't we recently learn our 'too big to fail' lesson? Oh yeah, guess not. Mike ps what is 30 gonna do now without the backing of the shinehardt wig corporation? On Friday, December 11, 2009, Mike Filippone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Comcast, and the second FiOS becomes available, I'm getting > FiOS. Comcast could probably pay me to use their service, and I would > still get FiOS... I'm that unhappy with it. Just the cable is > terrible (the cable box is really slow at switching channels, and > every time you switch a channel the screen flickers, and there's > always other random stuff, like how half my channels had all this > digital distortion and were unwatchable last weekend). Their internet > is also really slow and hangs a lot. I've tried calling, but haven't > had any progress. > > No idea how this will affect Universal parks... not sure it would have > that big of an impact. The deal also looks like it would phase in > really slow, so I doubt there would be many immediate changes. When I > heard about it, I was more concerned about programs like Meet the > Press than anything. > > Mike > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 12:21 PM, zucker0615 wrote: > >> Any thoughts on Comcast's takeover of NBC/Universal? My personal >> experience with Comcast is anything but positive. As one of their >> cable TV customers, I can say that they don't give a crap about the >> individual, paying end-user. They're a large (and getting larger) >> money-grubbing corporation that's more concerned with upcharges and >> extracting as much cash as possible than they are with satisfying >> their users. >> >> How might this affect Universal parks? >> >> Jon Z (just lost access to 2 local PBS stations and Cartoon Network) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoast= erTalk >> bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. >> >> Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that! Spread the >> word about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing!Yahoo! >> Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Dec 17 19:44:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53459 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2009 03:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2009 03:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2009 03:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2009 03:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2009 03:44:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:44:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "brian" Subject: Shoot the rapids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=gT49-jJVxUoTIT-0_X0lzMG7WR25p0esNXhDU5uaNDMhIJcKFwRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck After watching the video again and looking at a few pictures, I can say tha= t my homepark's new water ride, Shoot the Rapids, looks like a complete was= te of time. Almost no themeing, very few turns and pretty short. (for a fl= ume ride) Will probably not ride this until the line goes way down, which = might be never this year.=20=20 Yahtzee, -Brian F. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 06:25:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27076 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2009 14:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2009 14:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2009 14:25:09 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so1506071fgg.13 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:24:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.239.145.11 with SMTP id q11mr405589hba.98.1261146299677; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:24:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:24:59 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0912180624y40c51edemf55f9321931fb736@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Shoot the rapids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=tAPxxwfJ-FWMjD4_Pv2TPPw5EgZJEoDMIRZJ6YF8UtY2bJc X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska I love cedarpoint, but I agree that this ride looks really, really lame. On Thursday, December 17, 2009, brian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After watching the video again and looking at a few pictures, I can= say that my homepark's new water ride, Shoot the Rapids, looks like a comp= lete waste of time. Almost no themeing, very few turns and pretty short. (= for a flume ride) Will probably not ride this until the line goes way down= , which might be never this year. > > Yahtzee, > > -Brian F. > > > > > > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > > > > > > > Reply to sender > | > Reply to group > > > Messages in this topic=A0 > (1) > > > > > > > > Recent Activity: > > > > > > Visit Your Group=A0 > Start a New Topic=A0 > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roller= CoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, and more are all found there. > > Six years at Yahoo Groups, and many more before that!=A0 Spread the word = about Roller Coaster Talk and help us to keep growing! > > > > > MARKETPLACE > > > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living=A0<= http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=3D14k4jvgdi/M=3D493064.13814333.13821539.132984= 30/D=3Dgroups/S=3D1705017538:MKP1/Y=3DYAHOO/EXP=3D1261115082/L=3D/B=3Dl_qRX= EPDhEw-/J=3D1261107882148570/K=3D57JFXDIjyfFpm.QbuFGrDQ/A=3D5922843/R=3D0/S= IG=3D11ckn2mo6/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/green/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 16:42:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51458 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2009 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2009 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 00:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 00:42:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:42:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.226.191 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Shoot the rapids X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=-orEn8nu-QVXxev8WCAM9RiV8hYFwCs6rgajKeep6RfaimBWN4pB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > After watching the video again and looking at a few pictures, I can say t= hat my homepark's new water ride, Shoot the Rapids, looks like a complete w= aste of time. < I wish they'd never taken out the original flume, but at least this is bett= er than yet another thrill ride that's just a bigger version of something e= veryone has already ridden. I'm glad they put a family ride in. And I'm h= oping the splashdown is controllable so that on cooler days passengers won'= t be drenched. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 20:30:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9620 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2009 04:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2009 04:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 04:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 04:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 04:30:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:30:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.49.20.44 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: Shoot the rapids, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=lh8HlTaGSk8pzYInjSu9pGqivUbZmY8xIEdn-RO2E_9QM3cv8A X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'm not a huge CP fan, really haven't ever been one, actually.=20 I completely agree that the flume itself looks pretty boring. Hopefully, th= e theming is enough to make it worth someone's time.=20 Couple other items to note related to Cedar Point: The same year I finally score the Jr. Gemini credit is the same year that I= score a riding partner for the ride I won't have to beg, borrow or steal.= =20 Cedar Fair announced that they sold themselves. No mention here surprises a= nd saddens me.=20 OBTW, that riding partner I was referring to is my brand new baby daughter.= Born yesterday at 12:20pm by c-section, Aoi Sierra Belson was a 7 pound 14= ounce, 18 3/4 inch bundle of cuteness. (sceduled c-section means no cone-h= ead.)=20 Chris PS: No, I do not have her first dozen coasters mapped out. Not even a first= . 36 inches is a long way off, plenty of time to think about it later. ;) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" = wrote: > > > After watching the video again and looking at a few pictures, I can say= that my homepark's new water ride, Shoot the Rapids, looks like a complete= waste of time. < >=20 > I wish they'd never taken out the original flume, but at least this is be= tter than yet another thrill ride that's just a bigger version of something= everyone has already ridden. I'm glad they put a family ride in. And I'm= hoping the splashdown is controllable so that on cooler days passengers wo= n't be drenched. >=20 > Jay > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Dec 19 10:43:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44192 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2009 18:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2009 18:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 18:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 18:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 18:42:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:42:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.108.21 From: "brian" Subject: Re: Shoot the rapids, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=eCxzSEPgP7M05tMWcnCwhxppD3inB5gKf6HT2UlD8tjJOc6tm90l X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck =20 > OBTW, that riding partner I was referring to is my brand new baby daughte= r. Born yesterday at 12:20pm by c-section, Aoi Sierra Belson was a 7 pound = 14 ounce, 18 3/4 inch bundle of cuteness. (sceduled c-section means no cone= -head.)=20 >=20 > Chris Chris, Congrats on the new addition. Sounds Awesome, I didn't even know yo= u were pregnant... BTW, you could have borrowed our son at any time. It w= ouldn't be the first time, and any excuse for him to ride a coaster, you kn= ow... > > I wish they'd never taken out the original flume, but at least this is = better than yet another thrill ride that's just a bigger version of somethi= ng everyone has already ridden. I'm glad they put a family ride in. And I= 'm hoping the splashdown is controllable so that on cooler days passengers = won't be drenched. Jay, I agree and disagree. I don't mind them taking out the old, outdated = flume for a sweet ride like Maverick. However, I don't think Shoot the Rap= ids is a worthy replacement. In fact, it looks less fun than the old one, = pretty much a lateral move. Why not have a double down, ala Dudley, or at = least a little more theming. Perhaps they should have kept the old flume a= nd built Maverick in STR's spot.=20=20 -Brian F. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Dec 19 19:12:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75993 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 03:12:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2009 03:12:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vps3544.inmotionhosting.com) (69.174.53.5) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 03:12:44 -0000 X-Received: from user-0c99ise.cable.mindspring.com ([24.148.203.142] helo=ScreamscapeHP) by vps3544.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NMCDs-0001vf-8c for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:12:44 -0500 Message-ID: <34887123876E47488CDD69E78DB74D2E@ScreamscapeHP> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:08:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091219-1, 12/19/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps3544.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 69.174.53.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Lance" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Shoot the rapids, etc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=_MCIxTNT0bB1WxlYCyvU18YWc2bYIwsTKRGUj6UVcFjKzAjTE-1zzs2_XA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>I completely agree that the flume itself looks pretty boring. Hopefully, >>the theming is enough to make it worth someone's time. I've got to agree as well... this is perhaps the most disapointing announcment I've ever seen from Cedar Point. Very very lackluster in every way... and I can't figure out why they would go with Intamin on this either... as this is a very vanilla flume ride design, they could have gotten it from anyone. Plus I was so hoping for some fully themed environments... to make it more like perhaps the famous log ride at Knott's... enclosed sections, a fake mountain... something... other than big steel lift hills and some fake rocks at the bottom. From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Sun Dec 20 14:44:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65325 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 22:44:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2009 22:44:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f212.google.com) (209.85.220.212) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 22:44:50 -0000 X-Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so4080412fxm.12 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:44:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.239.185.79 with SMTP id b15mr656384hbh.78.1261349090178; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:44:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:44:50 -0500 Message-ID: <6ab4641f0912201444l13f15187hc2c51935109ba1b1@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael Cowan Subject: aShoot+the+rapids,+etc., X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=oW-7EtQe0N29DwZOqNdqnDXs_rEe_rC2T_ESbAcMZ2trJE8 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska You're all going to be really surprised when you see the multitude of fake plastic deer they shove on the sidelines of this thing. And congrats on the baby Chris! I hope your family (and everyone else) have a lovely holiday season. -mike From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sun Dec 20 22:51:04 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 712 invoked by uid 7800); 21 Dec 2009 06:51:03 -0000 Date: 21 Dec 2009 06:51:03 -0000 Message-ID: <1261378263.19.706.m4@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Reminder Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=pVPqKDHb4tKOPR1261378255-1" --YCalReminder=pVPqKDHb4tKOPR1261378255-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Dodonpa opened Monday December 21, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Location: Fujiyoshida, Yamanashi, Japan. 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--YCalReminder=I1N7zTOeJetrFRaZXE1261551058-1-- From josh.wozny@gmail.com Wed Dec 23 04:23:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: josh.wozny@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50448 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2009 12:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2009 12:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.221.178) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 12:23:50 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so3416253qyk.24 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:23:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.7.130 with SMTP id d2mr5221689qad.217.1261571030105; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:23:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1261551133.16.51920.m2@yahoogroups.com> References: <1261551133.16.51920.m2@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:23:50 -0500 Message-ID: <76e1ec0a0912230423i7930486q2245d1f1af55ebf5@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh W Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anniversary Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=322165273; y=8a_wzrRe4j2avH_cFxlKg4-jXHTMwr5yb9lvgu8RST-RamKPNw X-Yahoo-Profile: josh.wozny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alright! It's almost time for Veegaland! BTW, I checked out the Veegaland website, and it looks like it might be kinda cool. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:52 AM, wrote: > > > Reminder from: *RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > * Title: Habtoorland opened Date: Wednesday December 23, 2009 > Time: All Day Repeats: This event repeats every year. Location: Jam= hour > Haret El Sit, Mount Lebanon, Lebanon Notes: On this date in 2004, > Habtoorland opened its gates in Jamhour Haret El Sit, Mount Lebanon, > Lebanon. Yahoo! Greetings: Send a Yahoo! Greeting > Yahoo! > Shopping: Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder options > Copyright =A9 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserv= ed > | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Thu Dec 24 22:43:20 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51988 invoked by uid 7800); 25 Dec 2009 06:43:18 -0000 Date: 25 Dec 2009 06:43:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1261723398.8.51986.m1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Application: calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Christmas, 12/25/2009, 12:00 am Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="YCalReminder=MTjbUpCPM1261723391-1" --YCalReminder=MTjbUpCPM1261723391-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal Christmas Friday December 25, 2009 All Day (This event repeats every year.) Notes: We hope that you and your family have a very Merry Christmas. All Rights Reserved Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --YCalReminder=MTjbUpCPM1261723391-1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--YCalReminder=MTjbUpCPM1261723391-1-- From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Dec 25 09:46:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59012 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 17:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2009 17:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 17:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2009 17:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2009 17:41:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:41:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1261723398.8.51986.m1@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.143.15 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: Christmas, 12/25/2009, 12:00 am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=5yNoBBGaAGy1TDXfV4lyqzonsbZtUS6WX5uS0Vdd5ZF9FYekYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Just in case you forgot, huh? lol Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com= wrote: > > Reminder from: RollerCoasterTalk Yahoo! Group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/cal >=20 > Christmas > Friday December 25, 2009 > All Day > (This event repeats every year.) >=20 > Notes: > We hope that you and your family have a very Merry Christmas. >=20 >=20 > All Rights Reserved > Copyright =A9 2009=20 > Yahoo! Inc. > http://www.yahoo.com >=20 > Privacy Policy: > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us >=20 > Terms of Service: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Dec 26 13:32:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94547 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2009 21:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2009 21:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2009 21:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2009 21:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2009 21:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2009 21:30:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:30:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.226.191 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Cedar Fair sold to Apollo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=YxpndDuiNyQtB5Q88O_O-s0rORzc9bPPJd1IXcrb4VHMv5XAtCiy X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Did I miss someone else posting this here? I just found out, and am amazed= this slipped by so quietly. The article is from December 17, but I've hea= rd the shareholders just approved the deal: --- Private equity investor Apollo Management intends to buy the operator of th= e Cedar Point and King's Island amusement parks in Ohio in a deal valued at= more than $2 billion. Sandusky-based Cedar Fair LP (NYSE:FUN) will be sold for $635 million in ca= sh to the New York-based firm. Including the refinancing of debt, the total= transaction is valued at $2.4 billion. Cedar Fair said the $11.50-a-share = offer is a 28 percent premium over the closing price for its stock on Tuesd= ay. The deal needs the OK of shareholders, as well as regulatory approvals. If = those approvals are secured, the sale would close by the beginning of the s= econd quarter in 2010, Cedar Fair said. The company can solicit proposals from others for 40 days, under the terms = of the agreement. Cedar Fair would become a private company owned by an Apollo affiliate. "We have considered a wide range of strategic alternatives over the past se= veral years," CEO Dick Kinzel said in a release. "After considering these s= trategic alternatives, we have concluded that the transaction with Apollo i= s in the best interest of our unit-holders." Apollo Global Management has more than $51 billion in assets under its cont= rol. Cedar Fair owns and operates 11 amusement parks, including the parks in San= dusky and suburban Cincinnati; six outdoor water parks; an indoor water par= k; and five hotels. The company reported sales of $929 million for the year ended in September,= down about 6 percent from a year earlier. Net income plummeted to about $5= million from more than $50 million a year ago. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Dec 26 18:51:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50139 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2009 02:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2009 02:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 02:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from [173.171.70.44] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NOjDg-000634-4t for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: <4B36CB65.7050204@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:50:13 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47883c45c199cf8a7b40562614eb79055b7e41180fb5f96811d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Off topic- web hosting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=zaFXzfKi8HxaWDSjPnHp9IxMzo449OwpEMqy0BULu5vMRnk X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I know that several of you have websites up, so wanted to get your opinion. I'm at the very early stages of thinking about putting up a personal website. It would mostly be family history and genealogy, but I'd likely also put up a section with old park trip reports and some various other odds and ends on it. I'm curious as to what web hosts you might have experience with- the good, the bad, and the ugly. Any information you could provide would be very helpful. I'm looking at also registering a domain name with it, so that's another consideration. Thanks for any advice! George -- ------------------------------------ With God, life is one thrill ride you'll never want to get off of. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 07:27:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42523 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2009 15:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2009 15:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 15:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 15:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 15:26:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:26:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.143.15 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: Cedar Fair sold to Apollo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=AzTXhE7R1oDMw1b5AxU3b5PM0Y1ZqyVpfUN8lVQ2t7iBsbLwWg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Jay, The shareholder vote hasn't occured yet. (It better nbot have! I own more t= han one or two shares myself.) Also, there are now several lawsuits pending before this can proceed. Some boardmembers bought large quantities of shares before the news of the = sale became public. That's a no-no.=20 Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme" = wrote: > > Did I miss someone else posting this here? I just found out, and am amaz= ed this slipped by so quietly. The article is from December 17, but I've h= eard the shareholders just approved the deal: >=20 > --- >=20 > Private equity investor Apollo Management intends to buy the operator of = the Cedar Point and King's Island amusement parks in Ohio in a deal valued = at more than $2 billion. >=20 > Sandusky-based Cedar Fair LP (NYSE:FUN) will be sold for $635 million in = cash to the New York-based firm. Including the refinancing of debt, the tot= al transaction is valued at $2.4 billion. Cedar Fair said the $11.50-a-shar= e offer is a 28 percent premium over the closing price for its stock on Tue= sday. >=20 > The deal needs the OK of shareholders, as well as regulatory approvals. I= f those approvals are secured, the sale would close by the beginning of the= second quarter in 2010, Cedar Fair said. >=20 > The company can solicit proposals from others for 40 days, under the term= s of the agreement. >=20 > Cedar Fair would become a private company owned by an Apollo affiliate. >=20 > "We have considered a wide range of strategic alternatives over the past = several years," CEO Dick Kinzel said in a release. "After considering these= strategic alternatives, we have concluded that the transaction with Apollo= is in the best interest of our unit-holders." >=20 > Apollo Global Management has more than $51 billion in assets under its co= ntrol. >=20 > Cedar Fair owns and operates 11 amusement parks, including the parks in S= andusky and suburban Cincinnati; six outdoor water parks; an indoor water p= ark; and five hotels. >=20 > The company reported sales of $929 million for the year ended in Septembe= r, down about 6 percent from a year earlier. Net income plummeted to about = $5 million from more than $50 million a year ago. > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Dec 27 12:11:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64801 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2009 20:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2009 20:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f215.google.com) (209.85.217.215) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 20:11:00 -0000 X-Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so22143780gxk.12 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:10:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.26.9 with SMTP id d9mr1940206agj.16.1261944614001; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:10:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:10:13 -0500 Message-ID: <165816ef0912271210je6c3a7dhaaac511fa3d0620d@mail.gmail.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Adam Sandy Subject: DCA, Legoland, and West Edmonton Pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=vYPv7ohzCV5Qm2VG4yM0nIzzBEMUBwCB7uF-GRHhzbLv4RQ X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://sanosandy.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks Pictures of California's Adventure, Legoland California, and Galaxyland are all up at the above link. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 19:51:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76621 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2009 03:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2009 03:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 03:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 03:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 03:51:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:51:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165816ef0912271210je6c3a7dhaaac511fa3d0620d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.175.143.15 From: "munkye1972" Subject: Re: DCA, Legoland, and West Edmonton Pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=J38ldfEliD4kx3f5YG03sLFYMEtMO6U7ZInTtSLzp380GzC2OA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I'm officially jealous of your trip to Galaxyland, Adam. Chris --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrot= e: > > http://sanosandy.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks >=20 > Pictures of California's Adventure, Legoland California, and Galaxyland a= re > all up at the above link. >=20 > Adam >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Wed Dec 30 11:44:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82718 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2009 19:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2009 19:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 19:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 19:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 19:43:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:43:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.255.178.28 From: "afrsandy" Subject: Re: DCA, Legoland, and West Edmonton Pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=DI46UmxFNEzvoE4FDlpFPZQbynfCsuzEQS5e6eRqcnsaHZI X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I'm officially jealous of your trip to Galaxyland, Adam. This is my third trip...really once was enough. At least this trip was no = in December like my last one. I am happy with how the Spinning Coaster tur= ned out, though (my first time on it). Mindbender is still Mindbender, I d= id not have the nuts to ride it backwards though, I think that would be too= much even for me.=20=20 Adam=20=20=20 From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Dec 31 20:29:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95509 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 04:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2010 04:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.240.59) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 04:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100101042926.KXAZ18765.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:29:26 -0500 X-Received: from jorgemaindell ([68.97.87.100]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Q4VR1d00629tkUs024VRSJ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:29:25 -0500 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=EvRd2doraLOGgXPtCxYls7kl7Mkc7muryAdTQQ/qGWU= c=1 sm=1 a=0YHM4vGaYa7Qah9oZG5Bzg==:17 a=bxpuFT4gWtyFj1dyaHEA:9 a=nb0k4ZKI0y2s1E04KcVgZMEspM8A:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=xM0CQd4XOJYslPdTAfAA:9 a=GxKSkwmtpgq3T8FycnYA:7 a=_84oJGniNCwJs56FOX_v6il6Hv0A:4 a=0YHM4vGaYa7Qah9oZG5Bzg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 To: References: <165816ef0912271210je6c3a7dhaaac511fa3d0620d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:29:23 -0600 Message-ID: <8CD4F3D5717144369B4492D082BC1DE3@jorgemaindell> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqJA0/JTeisNgLnRzasx83e/zvvgwBl3uwg X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Michael Lopez" Subject: OT: Happy New Year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=AoiqKk7Lg-Dmv0xIN7OBiTLCSjL_LAtfXELjdaUPbzW5oQtxkscf3A X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope everyone has a safe, wonderful and coaster filled 2010. Michael Lopez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jan 01 17:24:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47960 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 01:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2010 01:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 01:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2010 01:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2010 01:23:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:23:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.200.149 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: DCA, Legoland, and West Edmonton Pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=mB3dSeFjcWGY7747vZR0Rjs23hFDuDleNYc8rTC54efpZWJ0Exnn X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Wow, Adam ... that's a lot of coaster track crammed into a seemingly tight = space at Galaxyland! Did you ride the Schwartzkopf? Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jan 01 17:30:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6594 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 01:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2010 01:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 01:30:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69389 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2010 01:30:27 -0000 Message-ID: <615890.68703.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VylF0h0VM1nRModvw4rZ0EZwT93DpVFpJ4AEG1rexM.cCCKUqa6emX4DEyrbhJ0xUijJGjJx0J926P9a_tzE0FIRB2KToQFVj4JMFPjyMNA4gljk0GVj94b3aTkRv1Cx.hF960gu.Iwzn92bbj3y61jQAcGcAp5rNebGDtOmkbDQneeuiJTVgyvnBjUp2rd4qhf1t.RYCldgiBMDTFoQk6BD3zdvNZtgYuumUiqQWihoUqLfdHGS0Nr7o7WMGzHJLPterjfmegGXb2BIz8z5r2kdg3MC.AOjDPbCNG3b29s- X-Received: from [72.79.200.149] by web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:30:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:30:27 -0800 (PST) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: New Gravity Gazette editor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ufPahKQQTwgnUpnlxv4ot5vSAzs2ElHB2_-ece0Xqg5C1kQrE-xm X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy all, and Happy New Year. =A0Gravity Gazette, the official publication= of the Western New York Coaster Club, begins its 31st year with a new edit= or -- me. =A0I'm open to any articles that any of you would like to have in= cluded. =A0If you're a member of the WNYCC, so much the better! =A0It shoul= d be a busy year.... Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Jan 01 17:31:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76608 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 01:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2010 01:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 01:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2010 01:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2010 01:27:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:26:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CD4F3D5717144369B4492D082BC1DE3@jorgemaindell> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.200.149 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: KNOTT FAMILY NOT EXCITED ABOUT CEDAR FAIR SALE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=bCiHBlmT_SpHHB6O7mcP6avhYRFXQBp1kg879fEKG8EbYg5vRwY5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme KNOTT FAMILY NOT EXCITED ABOUT CEDAR FAIR SALE by Tom Jackson The family behind Knott's Berry Farm is trying to decide whether they are r= eady for a complete separation from the historic amusement park the Knotts = created and used to run. When Cedar Fair bought the Buena Vista, Calif., park in 1997, the Knott fam= ily acquired 2 million ownership shares in Cedar Fair, ensuring family memb= ers still have a stake in the company that runs Knott's Berry Farm. The planned acquisition of Cedar Fair by Apollo Global Management would sev= er the family's remaining connection to the park. "That's our heritage. We worked very, very hard through the years," said St= ephen Knott, 68, the grandson of Knott's Berry Farm founder, Walter Knott. = "I hate to just think of having a small pot of money and nothing else." The family has reservations about the pending sale and is trying to decide = how to vote, Knott said. "At this time, I haven't fully decided," Knott said. Investors who own units of Cedar Fair are being offered $11.50 per unit. Wi= thin a few weeks, they'll be asked to vote to approve the merger with Apoll= o. To go through, the deal must be OK'd by at least two-thirds of unitholde= rs. There are about 55.2 million outstanding units, and thus 55.2 million v= otes that may be cast. Knott said he and his mother and his brother own 2 million shares. "We do have some say in which direction the sale will go," he observed. He said Cedar Fair has made no special effort so far to reach out to his fa= mily. Knott lives in Fullerton, Calif., only 15 minutes away from Knott's B= erry Farm. "That's why I lived in Fullerton," he said. "I was on call 24 hours a day." Walter Knott helped develop the boysenberry, a berry that combined the rasp= berry, blackberry and loganberry, and sold berries and berry pies from a ro= adside stand. The family grew the operation to include a restaurant that so= ld chicken dinners. Knott then built a ghost town at the site and added rid= es. The success of Knott's Berry Farm helped inspire Disneyland, which opened i= n 1955, and the Knotts and the Disneys became friends. "Walt Disney came out on several occasions," he said. Disneyland actually helped Knott's Berry Farm by pulling crowds into the ar= ea, and when one theme park ran out of quarters, the other would help. "Amusement parks need quarters," he explained. "They would run out and we'd= send some over, or they would do it for us." The Knotts like Cedar Fair. "We think very highly of Cedar Fair," he said. "We enjoyed the relationship= that we have had with them. They run parks very similar to us. We had a pr= etty happy marriage with them." Knott said he didn't agree, however, with all of the debt Cedar Fair took o= n in 2006 to acquire the former Paramount theme parks. "I think this was the downfall of Cedar Fair," he said, noting that the Apo= llo deal puts the Knott family in an awkward position. "I really don't like= the idea of selling to another group."